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<v Speaker 1>Eight o five, a fifty five KRC DE talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very happy Friday Eve to you, Brian Thomas. Happy

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning. So kind

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<v Speaker 1>of continuing the theme that I launched into this morning

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<v Speaker 1>about this ridiculous effort to go after Russians for alleged misinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently they think the Russians are in the can with

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration, but they're trying to suppress communication. Generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's got an opinion, everybody's got a mouth, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>the Russians have one. I have one, You have one.

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<v Speaker 1>Just depends on how closely you are paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>the facts and so you can discern truth from falsehoods

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<v Speaker 1>and draw your own conclusions. A man who knows all

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<v Speaker 1>about this my next guest Aaron or Rn McIntyre. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a calumnist, lecture author of a book we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be talking about today focusing on the application of

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<v Speaker 1>political theory. Host of The r and McIntyre Show. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find them on podcasts with the Blaze search for

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast and check out his program. Today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with about his book The Total State. How

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal democracies become tyrannies. Welcome to the program, Arn McIntyre,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a real pleasure to have you on today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>You focus a lot about the whole COVID thing. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we just had Mark Zuckerberg come out the other day

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<v Speaker 1>and admit that the government suppressed and forced him on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook to suppress what we now know to be true, honest, genuine,

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<v Speaker 1>factual information about COVID. But no, no, no, that went

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<v Speaker 1>against the government narrative. So we can't have any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time I checked, Arn, we have a First Amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>the right to free speech and free assembly. Whatever happened

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<v Speaker 1>to that, as well as the Fourth Amendment, right to

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<v Speaker 1>be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. You and I

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<v Speaker 1>could go on for hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and really, I do at length in the book

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<v Speaker 2>explain what happened with a lot of these changes. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what has happened is that the authority of

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<v Speaker 2>the government, the authority that was supposed to be restrained

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<v Speaker 2>inside the first three articles of the Constitution, has been

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<v Speaker 2>shifted into a number of different institutions. A lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, have heard of the deep state. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people call the unelected bureaucracy of the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government. But on top of that, we have institutions

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<v Speaker 2>like social media, like academia, like your regular news media,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of these wield enormous amounts of power, in

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<v Speaker 2>many cases, some of the powers that we're intended to

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<v Speaker 2>be part of the government. And now that those are

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<v Speaker 2>no longer something that is under the umbrella of the government,

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<v Speaker 2>the constitution no longer applies. So what's happening regularly is

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<v Speaker 2>that the federal government is basically shopping out its censorship

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<v Speaker 2>programs places like Facebook or other news media to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that while they while the speech is still being restricted,

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<v Speaker 2>no technical First Amendment violations are being committed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, But as I am an attorney and I do

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<v Speaker 1>recall the political reality, the legal reality that if a

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<v Speaker 1>government is working and is inextricably intertwined with a private business,

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<v Speaker 1>that private business can be deemed to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>the government and ergo must honor our constitutional rights. And

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly believe that was the case in connection with

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<v Speaker 1>the government's hand in hand work with formerly known as Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as Facebook and other social media outlets. So

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<v Speaker 1>it just depends on how far across the line. They

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<v Speaker 1>go on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is that we continuously see that these

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<v Speaker 2>people are not about to heal under any any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of restriction. And unfortunately, it's obviously not just private companies,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, it's also institutions that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be objective. One of the reasons that so many people

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<v Speaker 2>lost faith institutions correctly so during something like COVID is

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<v Speaker 2>that the government was willing to go ahead and sensor

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<v Speaker 2>and manipulate data for purely political purposes in institutions like

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<v Speaker 2>public health, which are supposed to be above all this.

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<v Speaker 2>And really, one of the things I point out repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>in the book is that the neutral institution is itself

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<v Speaker 2>amiss that a lot of our governance is currently based on.

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<v Speaker 2>We have moved so much of the authority of especially

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<v Speaker 2>the legislative branch, into these regulatory agencies that are not

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<v Speaker 2>actually seeing proper oversight, and they're the ones that are

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<v Speaker 2>really writing the laws at the end of the day

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<v Speaker 2>with their application. You know, we look at a situation

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<v Speaker 2>like COVID. We thought that Donald Trump was the elected

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<v Speaker 2>president of the United States, but in the state of exception,

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<v Speaker 2>the moment in which all of these rules seem to

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<v Speaker 2>during the pandemic. Instead, it's actually Anthony Fauci. He seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be giving out orders.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, and you know one of the worst states that

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<v Speaker 1>defended that. The sort of the entire process, the constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>reality of separation of the powers and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>laws have to be passed. Pennsylvania, they just changed their

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<v Speaker 1>election laws on a whim. There's one day that was

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<v Speaker 1>this way, and the next day, oh no, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>ten extra days and you can do this and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to provide that. It's like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>that was just an edict from on high. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no legislation passed their elector, and rules were not changed

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<v Speaker 1>by the legislative branch and then signed into law by

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<v Speaker 1>the governor. It just happened overnight. I think the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is we let it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. And the issue is when all of these rules

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<v Speaker 2>are being violated simultaneously, simultaneously, both by government agencies and

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<v Speaker 2>by different organizations, it's difficult to chase all all these

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<v Speaker 2>violations down. And that's really the issue. When these organizations

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<v Speaker 2>seem to act in some level of synchronicity, even though

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<v Speaker 2>there's no direct coordination from some kind of organization on

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<v Speaker 2>high than what you have is a scenario where thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of violations are occurring simultaneously. There's no way that any

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<v Speaker 2>watchtag organization is going to be able to bring legal

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<v Speaker 2>pressure simultaneously across all of those organizations. And so much

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<v Speaker 2>of this slips through and starts becoming precedent or the

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<v Speaker 2>way things just get done. It becomes standard operating procedure

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<v Speaker 2>inside these organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and I know what you're saying, We live through

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<v Speaker 1>it all with COVID. I mean, we have a Republican

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<v Speaker 1>you can't drink after ten pm. You can stay there,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't drink after ten Now, what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>is that? There's no scientific foundation for that. It sounded

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<v Speaker 1>stupid when it came out of his mouth, but there

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<v Speaker 1>they were honoring the rule and not serving drinks after

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<v Speaker 1>ten pm. I how do we deal with this problem?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it was a multi state, global issue. Everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>freaked out because our messengers were freaking everyone out, and

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<v Speaker 1>it allowed people to sort of accept this draconian response

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<v Speaker 1>and this violation of our constitutional light rights and just

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<v Speaker 1>swallow it whole without even arguing about it. I give

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<v Speaker 1>you a great illustration, like the very close after this

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<v Speaker 1>whole COVID nineteen hit the fan, there was a protest

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<v Speaker 1>in downtown Cincinnati, and I had to then fopeach President

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<v Speaker 1>on saying, these people are crazy. They shouldn't be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to be out in the streets. And I'm thinking, you

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<v Speaker 1>got a right to free assembly. You can't tell people

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<v Speaker 1>they're a lot of walk outside and engage in a protest,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a constitutional right. And he keeps like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right on that, and I was wrong. But the

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<v Speaker 1>defiance and the actual embracing of the right to free

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<v Speaker 1>assembly was outright rejected and condemned by elected officials across

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<v Speaker 1>the board because well, COVID, that's why. So Aaron, Aaron,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we to do about this? Because it shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>ever happen in the first instance, but we just witness

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<v Speaker 1>it happening, and everybody feels like it's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>again in a moment's notice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the two things that I think are really critical

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<v Speaker 2>is one, as I look back into the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the constitution and political constitutions in general, One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I noticed is a lot of Americans just

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<v Speaker 2>assumed that because some restriction is written down on paper,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the law, that's it, that's the only decision to

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<v Speaker 2>be made. But of course the founding fathers knew, along

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<v Speaker 2>with most other political theories, you know, many hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, understood that ultimately a constitution is only the

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<v Speaker 2>reflection of the values of the people, and if the

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<v Speaker 2>people are not themselves investined in any of these rights,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they happen to be written down on

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<v Speaker 2>paper doesn't actually protect them. The fact that most of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff didn't really mean a lot of people ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>they were willing to put up with whatever happened whenever

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<v Speaker 2>their local government was telling them to comply with whatever

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<v Speaker 2>a huge part of the issue. But the other part

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<v Speaker 2>is really the manner in which we have centralized control

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<v Speaker 2>and management of so many of problems. When you have

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<v Speaker 2>something like this, a state of emergency that suddenly enables

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<v Speaker 2>a government to make sweeping decisions without going through the

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<v Speaker 2>proper process, and you centralize everything into these massive agencies

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<v Speaker 2>that control the entire country or in some cases international

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<v Speaker 2>agencies that are pushing things top down into multiple nations simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you end up in a scenario where one bad

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<v Speaker 2>decision or one decision to ignore the science ends up

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<v Speaker 2>affecting the entire nation or in some cases, the entire globe.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess the other component of this, And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean to remind the litigation attorneys what I practiced for

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years. I know how damn expensive it is, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of it. People are unwilling to

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<v Speaker 1>push back, Like, for example, if you said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they said you're not allowed to go to church. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first and foremost mentioned in the First Amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the right to free exercise of religion, also

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<v Speaker 1>free assembly. You should be allowed to go to church

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<v Speaker 1>and you should be able to congregate with the folks.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're afraid to do that because some law or

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to do it. You're not going to break

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<v Speaker 1>the law, the law or the statement, even though it

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a lawful law, because you can't afford to go

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<v Speaker 1>to court and defend yourself. You'll have to go through

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<v Speaker 1>the arrest process, You'll have to get a lawyer, defend yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people are like, you know what, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not worth it. I can't afford the time, hassler or trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll let my rights be taken away.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and let's not forget that the entire federal government

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<v Speaker 2>was acting to slanner anybody who pushed back against this.

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<v Speaker 2>So everybody who said, oh, maybe this isn't a big issue,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's okay if we get together. They were Russian assets,

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<v Speaker 2>right like they were literally abel traders and foreign agents,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, science deniers, You know, everyone is simultaneously

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of evil agent of Putin and some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of backwards toothless hits who doesn't believe in science. If

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<v Speaker 2>they think I could probably go to church if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not immuno compromised and under sixty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably not that big a deal. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to lie to a li a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to hyper propagandaize them to make them actually

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<v Speaker 2>believe when they look outside and everything's fine and there

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<v Speaker 2>aren't a lot of dead people in the streets like

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Plague, that there's actually some kind of global,

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<v Speaker 2>massive pandemic happening. Look, it was a bad disease. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people died. There's certainly people who are super

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<v Speaker 2>you know, vulnerable to it. I'm not pretending like it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't real, But the idea that it had the level

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<v Speaker 2>a government and media apparatus that was looking to do

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<v Speaker 2>in an emergency, and what they found was they could

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, And that's the scary part right there, and

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<v Speaker 1>we roll over and I think, you know, it's part

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem. Armactyre, author of the book we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the total state, how liberal democracies become tyrannies. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>this really If more people had a more profound and

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<v Speaker 1>clear understanding of what the Constitution does, the rights it

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<v Speaker 1>does protect, these God given rights that we enjoy are

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<v Speaker 1>stand up for that and say, no, you are not

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<v Speaker 1>that basic foundation understanding the fact that we do have

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<v Speaker 1>a constitution that protects these rights, the supreme law of

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<v Speaker 2>Well. And I think it goes one step further. It's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Constitution is there to remind us of

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<v Speaker 2>what our ancestors believe, what our tradition is. But the

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<v Speaker 2>Constitution itself does not protect anything. It is only the

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<v Speaker 2>people animated by that tradition, believing deeply in the rights

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<v Speaker 2>that their ancestors fought for, that actually protects that. The

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<v Speaker 2>paper has never protected one right. It is the people

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<v Speaker 2>believing collectively in that truth and holding it sacrifanct above safety,

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<v Speaker 2>above any other dictate from the government. That is what

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<v Speaker 2>actually protects things. And I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>forgot that. They said, oh, well, the Constitution is sitting

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere safe under plexiicus protecting my freedoms. That is not

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<v Speaker 2>how it's work. That's not how the founders believe they

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to work. They wrote to a document to

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<v Speaker 2>remind you of the tradition that you should be living

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<v Speaker 2>every day, not for the document to make some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of magical shield against your right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, arn, there you go. That's why public education has

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<v Speaker 1>turned its back on civics and teaching constitutional philosophy, as

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<v Speaker 1>our country used to do regularly, so people had a

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<v Speaker 1>grasp and understanding of what a wonderful place we have

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<v Speaker 1>because of these God given rights that the Constitution points out.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't point it out, people forget it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they're willing to stop drinking after ten pm just

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<v Speaker 1>because the governor utters the words. Right, that's right. R McIntyre.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful book. It's on my blog page fifty five care

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<v Speaker 1>sea dot com, so my listeners can easily get a

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<v Speaker 1>link to buy a copy of it. I will encourage

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<v Speaker 1>them to read it and share it with friends to

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<v Speaker 1>expand our understanding of this aren What do you offer

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<v Speaker 1>solutions in the book to these obvious problems that were

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<v Speaker 1>the seemingly insurmountable problems we're talking about right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that this is a difficult answer. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an easy solution, but it is a necessary one. We

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<v Speaker 2>have to start seeing people, especially people who oppose the

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<v Speaker 2>current progressive hegemony, to building alternative institutions both locally and

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<v Speaker 2>at the state level. The United States together was not

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be some giant, monolithic amalgamation of different organizations

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<v Speaker 2>that form one opinion across all domains. It was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be a federal government where the power and decisions

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<v Speaker 2>were made much closer to home, next to the people,

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<v Speaker 2>where things are actually supposed to be decided, and our

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<v Speaker 2>current giant institutions are corrupted to the core. So we

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<v Speaker 2>have to start devolving things back to the state, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have to start stop trusting giant, monolithic institutions and

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<v Speaker 2>instead return our understanding back to alternatives that actually serve

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<v Speaker 2>the people where they live.

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<v Speaker 1>Our Macca tyre talking my language, my friend. Every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I do on the morning show. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pleased to have been able to talk talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>today about your book again, The Total State, How liberal

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<v Speaker 1>democracies become Tyrannies. Thank you for writing it, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for sharing your time with us today, and I'll encourage

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners to get a copy of the book. Arn

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for having Merope. My pleasure truly eight

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