Speaker 1: Eight o five, a fifty five KRC DE talk station.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy Friday Eve to you, Brian Thomas. Happy
Speaker 1: to welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning. So kind
Speaker 1: of continuing the theme that I launched into this morning
Speaker 1: about this ridiculous effort to go after Russians for alleged misinformation.
Speaker 1: Apparently they think the Russians are in the can with
Speaker 1: the Trump administration, but they're trying to suppress communication. Generally speaking,
Speaker 1: everybody's got an opinion, everybody's got a mouth, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Russians have one. I have one, You have one.
Speaker 1: Just depends on how closely you are paying attention to
Speaker 1: the facts and so you can discern truth from falsehoods
Speaker 1: and draw your own conclusions. A man who knows all
Speaker 1: about this my next guest Aaron or Rn McIntyre. He
Speaker 1: is a calumnist, lecture author of a book we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about today focusing on the application of
Speaker 1: political theory. Host of The r and McIntyre Show. You
Speaker 1: can find them on podcasts with the Blaze search for
Speaker 1: your podcast and check out his program. Today we're going
Speaker 1: to talk with about his book The Total State. How
Speaker 1: Liberal democracies become tyrannies. Welcome to the program, Arn McIntyre,
Speaker 1: it's a real pleasure to have you on today.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You focus a lot about the whole COVID thing. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: we just had Mark Zuckerberg come out the other day
Speaker 1: and admit that the government suppressed and forced him on
Speaker 1: Facebook to suppress what we now know to be true, honest, genuine,
Speaker 1: factual information about COVID. But no, no, no, that went
Speaker 1: against the government narrative. So we can't have any of that.
Speaker 1: Last time I checked, Arn, we have a First Amendment,
Speaker 1: the right to free speech and free assembly. Whatever happened
Speaker 1: to that, as well as the Fourth Amendment, right to
Speaker 1: be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. You and I
Speaker 1: could go on for hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and really, I do at length in the book
Speaker 2: explain what happened with a lot of these changes. A
Speaker 2: lot of what has happened is that the authority of
Speaker 2: the government, the authority that was supposed to be restrained
Speaker 2: inside the first three articles of the Constitution, has been
Speaker 2: shifted into a number of different institutions. A lot of people,
Speaker 2: of course, have heard of the deep state. That's what
Speaker 2: a lot of people call the unelected bureaucracy of the
Speaker 2: federal government. But on top of that, we have institutions
Speaker 2: like social media, like academia, like your regular news media,
Speaker 2: and all of these wield enormous amounts of power, in
Speaker 2: many cases, some of the powers that we're intended to
Speaker 2: be part of the government. And now that those are
Speaker 2: no longer something that is under the umbrella of the government,
Speaker 2: the constitution no longer applies. So what's happening regularly is
Speaker 2: that the federal government is basically shopping out its censorship
Speaker 2: programs places like Facebook or other news media to make
Speaker 2: sure that while they while the speech is still being restricted,
Speaker 2: no technical First Amendment violations are being committed.
Speaker 1: Yes, But as I am an attorney and I do
Speaker 1: recall the political reality, the legal reality that if a
Speaker 1: government is working and is inextricably intertwined with a private business,
Speaker 1: that private business can be deemed to be part of
Speaker 1: the government and ergo must honor our constitutional rights. And
Speaker 1: I certainly believe that was the case in connection with
Speaker 1: the government's hand in hand work with formerly known as Twitter,
Speaker 1: as well as Facebook and other social media outlets. So
Speaker 1: it just depends on how far across the line. They
Speaker 1: go on that.
Speaker 2: But the problem is that we continuously see that these
Speaker 2: people are not about to heal under any any kind
Speaker 2: of restriction. And unfortunately, it's obviously not just private companies,
Speaker 2: like you said, it's also institutions that are supposed to
Speaker 2: be objective. One of the reasons that so many people
Speaker 2: lost faith institutions correctly so during something like COVID is
Speaker 2: that the government was willing to go ahead and sensor
Speaker 2: and manipulate data for purely political purposes in institutions like
Speaker 2: public health, which are supposed to be above all this.
Speaker 2: And really, one of the things I point out repeatedly
Speaker 2: in the book is that the neutral institution is itself
Speaker 2: amiss that a lot of our governance is currently based on.
Speaker 2: We have moved so much of the authority of especially
Speaker 2: the legislative branch, into these regulatory agencies that are not
Speaker 2: actually seeing proper oversight, and they're the ones that are
Speaker 2: really writing the laws at the end of the day
Speaker 2: with their application. You know, we look at a situation
Speaker 2: like COVID. We thought that Donald Trump was the elected
Speaker 2: president of the United States, but in the state of exception,
Speaker 2: the moment in which all of these rules seem to
Speaker 2: be suspended so that people can feel sick during the
Speaker 2: during the pandemic. Instead, it's actually Anthony Fauci. He seems
Speaker 2: to be giving out orders.
Speaker 1: Indeed, and you know one of the worst states that
Speaker 1: defended that. The sort of the entire process, the constitutional
Speaker 1: reality of separation of the powers and the fact that
Speaker 1: laws have to be passed. Pennsylvania, they just changed their
Speaker 1: election laws on a whim. There's one day that was
Speaker 1: this way, and the next day, oh no, you've got
Speaker 1: ten extra days and you can do this and you
Speaker 1: don't need to provide that. It's like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: that was just an edict from on high. There was
Speaker 1: no legislation passed their elector, and rules were not changed
Speaker 1: by the legislative branch and then signed into law by
Speaker 1: the governor. It just happened overnight. I think the problem
Speaker 1: is we let it happen.
Speaker 2: Well. And the issue is when all of these rules
Speaker 2: are being violated simultaneously, simultaneously, both by government agencies and
Speaker 2: by different organizations, it's difficult to chase all all these
Speaker 2: violations down. And that's really the issue. When these organizations
Speaker 2: seem to act in some level of synchronicity, even though
Speaker 2: there's no direct coordination from some kind of organization on
Speaker 2: high than what you have is a scenario where thousands
Speaker 2: of violations are occurring simultaneously. There's no way that any
Speaker 2: watchtag organization is going to be able to bring legal
Speaker 2: pressure simultaneously across all of those organizations. And so much
Speaker 2: of this slips through and starts becoming precedent or the
Speaker 2: way things just get done. It becomes standard operating procedure
Speaker 2: inside these organizations.
Speaker 1: So, and I know what you're saying, We live through
Speaker 1: it all with COVID. I mean, we have a Republican
Speaker 1: governor who said you can go to a bar, but
Speaker 1: you can't drink after ten pm. You can stay there,
Speaker 1: but you can't drink after ten Now, what the hell
Speaker 1: is that? There's no scientific foundation for that. It sounded
Speaker 1: stupid when it came out of his mouth, but there
Speaker 1: they were honoring the rule and not serving drinks after
Speaker 1: ten pm. I how do we deal with this problem?
Speaker 1: Obviously it was a multi state, global issue. Everyone was
Speaker 1: freaked out because our messengers were freaking everyone out, and
Speaker 1: it allowed people to sort of accept this draconian response
Speaker 1: and this violation of our constitutional light rights and just
Speaker 1: swallow it whole without even arguing about it. I give
Speaker 1: you a great illustration, like the very close after this
Speaker 1: whole COVID nineteen hit the fan, there was a protest
Speaker 1: in downtown Cincinnati, and I had to then fopeach President
Speaker 1: on saying, these people are crazy. They shouldn't be allowed
Speaker 1: to be out in the streets. And I'm thinking, you
Speaker 1: got a right to free assembly. You can't tell people
Speaker 1: they're a lot of walk outside and engage in a protest,
Speaker 1: that's a constitutional right. And he keeps like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're right on that, and I was wrong. But the
Speaker 1: defiance and the actual embracing of the right to free
Speaker 1: assembly was outright rejected and condemned by elected officials across
Speaker 1: the board because well, COVID, that's why. So Aaron, Aaron,
Speaker 1: what are we to do about this? Because it shouldn't
Speaker 1: ever happen in the first instance, but we just witness
Speaker 1: it happening, and everybody feels like it's going to happen
Speaker 1: again in a moment's notice.
Speaker 2: Well, the two things that I think are really critical
Speaker 2: is one, as I look back into the history of
Speaker 2: the constitution and political constitutions in general, One of the
Speaker 2: things that I noticed is a lot of Americans just
Speaker 2: assumed that because some restriction is written down on paper,
Speaker 2: that's the law, that's it, that's the only decision to
Speaker 2: be made. But of course the founding fathers knew, along
Speaker 2: with most other political theories, you know, many hundreds of
Speaker 2: years ago, understood that ultimately a constitution is only the
Speaker 2: reflection of the values of the people, and if the
Speaker 2: people are not themselves investined in any of these rights,
Speaker 2: the fact that they happen to be written down on
Speaker 2: paper doesn't actually protect them. The fact that most of
Speaker 2: this stuff didn't really mean a lot of people ultimately
Speaker 2: they were willing to put up with whatever happened whenever
Speaker 2: their local government was telling them to comply with whatever
Speaker 2: national government was telling them to comply with. Is really
Speaker 2: a huge part of the issue. But the other part
Speaker 2: is really the manner in which we have centralized control
Speaker 2: and management of so many of problems. When you have
Speaker 2: something like this, a state of emergency that suddenly enables
Speaker 2: a government to make sweeping decisions without going through the
Speaker 2: proper process, and you centralize everything into these massive agencies
Speaker 2: that control the entire country or in some cases international
Speaker 2: agencies that are pushing things top down into multiple nations simultaneously.
Speaker 2: Then you end up in a scenario where one bad
Speaker 2: decision or one decision to ignore the science ends up
Speaker 2: affecting the entire nation or in some cases, the entire globe.
Speaker 1: And I guess the other component of this, And I
Speaker 1: mean to remind the litigation attorneys what I practiced for
Speaker 1: sixteen years. I know how damn expensive it is, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it. People are unwilling to
Speaker 1: push back, Like, for example, if you said, you know,
Speaker 1: they said you're not allowed to go to church. Again,
Speaker 1: that's the first and foremost mentioned in the First Amendment,
Speaker 1: you know, the right to free exercise of religion, also
Speaker 1: free assembly. You should be allowed to go to church
Speaker 1: and you should be able to congregate with the folks.
Speaker 1: But you're afraid to do that because some law or
Speaker 1: some edict or rule has been written down saying you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to do it. You're not going to break
Speaker 1: the law, the law or the statement, even though it
Speaker 1: isn't a lawful law, because you can't afford to go
Speaker 1: to court and defend yourself. You'll have to go through
Speaker 1: the arrest process, You'll have to get a lawyer, defend yourself.
Speaker 1: And some people are like, you know what, it's just
Speaker 1: not worth it. I can't afford the time, hassler or trouble,
Speaker 1: so I'll let my rights be taken away.
Speaker 2: Well, and let's not forget that the entire federal government
Speaker 2: was acting to slanner anybody who pushed back against this.
Speaker 2: So everybody who said, oh, maybe this isn't a big issue,
Speaker 2: maybe it's okay if we get together. They were Russian assets,
Speaker 2: right like they were literally abel traders and foreign agents,
Speaker 2: and you know, science deniers, You know, everyone is simultaneously
Speaker 2: some kind of evil agent of Putin and some kind
Speaker 2: of backwards toothless hits who doesn't believe in science. If
Speaker 2: they think I could probably go to church if I'm
Speaker 2: you know, not immuno compromised and under sixty years old,
Speaker 2: it's probably not that big a deal. You know, you
Speaker 2: have to lie to a li a lot of people.
Speaker 2: You have to hyper propagandaize them to make them actually
Speaker 2: believe when they look outside and everything's fine and there
Speaker 2: aren't a lot of dead people in the streets like
Speaker 2: the Black Plague, that there's actually some kind of global,
Speaker 2: massive pandemic happening. Look, it was a bad disease. A
Speaker 2: lot of people died. There's certainly people who are super
Speaker 2: you know, vulnerable to it. I'm not pretending like it
Speaker 2: wasn't real, But the idea that it had the level
Speaker 2: of severity that it did is entirely manufactured intentionally by
Speaker 2: a government and media apparatus that was looking to do
Speaker 2: a dry run for how much power they could seize
Speaker 2: in an emergency, and what they found was they could
Speaker 2: seize almost all of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, And that's the scary part right there, and
Speaker 1: we roll over and I think, you know, it's part
Speaker 1: of the problem. Armactyre, author of the book we're talking
Speaker 1: about the total state, how liberal democracies become tyrannies. Isn't
Speaker 1: this really If more people had a more profound and
Speaker 1: clear understanding of what the Constitution does, the rights it
Speaker 1: does protect, these God given rights that we enjoy are
Speaker 1: supposed to enjoy, they would be in a position to
Speaker 1: stand up for that and say, no, you are not
Speaker 1: allowed to do this to me. But because we lack
Speaker 1: that basic foundation understanding the fact that we do have
Speaker 1: a constitution that protects these rights, the supreme law of
Speaker 1: the land people are willing to overlook it because they
Speaker 1: don't understand it.
Speaker 2: Well. And I think it goes one step further. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, the Constitution is there to remind us of
Speaker 2: what our ancestors believe, what our tradition is. But the
Speaker 2: Constitution itself does not protect anything. It is only the
Speaker 2: people animated by that tradition, believing deeply in the rights
Speaker 2: that their ancestors fought for, that actually protects that. The
Speaker 2: paper has never protected one right. It is the people
Speaker 2: believing collectively in that truth and holding it sacrifanct above safety,
Speaker 2: above any other dictate from the government. That is what
Speaker 2: actually protects things. And I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: forgot that. They said, oh, well, the Constitution is sitting
Speaker 2: somewhere safe under plexiicus protecting my freedoms. That is not
Speaker 2: how it's work. That's not how the founders believe they
Speaker 2: were supposed to work. They wrote to a document to
Speaker 2: remind you of the tradition that you should be living
Speaker 2: every day, not for the document to make some kind
Speaker 2: of magical shield against your right.
Speaker 1: Well, arn, there you go. That's why public education has
Speaker 1: turned its back on civics and teaching constitutional philosophy, as
Speaker 1: our country used to do regularly, so people had a
Speaker 1: grasp and understanding of what a wonderful place we have
Speaker 1: because of these God given rights that the Constitution points out.
Speaker 1: If you don't point it out, people forget it, and
Speaker 1: then they're willing to stop drinking after ten pm just
Speaker 1: because the governor utters the words. Right, that's right. R McIntyre.
Speaker 1: Wonderful book. It's on my blog page fifty five care
Speaker 1: sea dot com, so my listeners can easily get a
Speaker 1: link to buy a copy of it. I will encourage
Speaker 1: them to read it and share it with friends to
Speaker 1: expand our understanding of this aren What do you offer
Speaker 1: solutions in the book to these obvious problems that were
Speaker 1: the seemingly insurmountable problems we're talking about right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that this is a difficult answer. It's
Speaker 2: an easy solution, but it is a necessary one. We
Speaker 2: have to start seeing people, especially people who oppose the
Speaker 2: current progressive hegemony, to building alternative institutions both locally and
Speaker 2: at the state level. The United States together was not
Speaker 2: supposed to be some giant, monolithic amalgamation of different organizations
Speaker 2: that form one opinion across all domains. It was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a federal government where the power and decisions
Speaker 2: were made much closer to home, next to the people,
Speaker 2: where things are actually supposed to be decided, and our
Speaker 2: current giant institutions are corrupted to the core. So we
Speaker 2: have to start devolving things back to the state, and
Speaker 2: we have to start stop trusting giant, monolithic institutions and
Speaker 2: instead return our understanding back to alternatives that actually serve
Speaker 2: the people where they live.
Speaker 1: Our Macca tyre talking my language, my friend. Every single day,
Speaker 1: That's what I do on the morning show. So I'm
Speaker 1: pleased to have been able to talk talk to you
Speaker 1: today about your book again, The Total State, How liberal
Speaker 1: democracies become Tyrannies. Thank you for writing it, thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing your time with us today, and I'll encourage
Speaker 1: my listeners to get a copy of the book. Arn
Speaker 1: thanks so much for having Merope. My pleasure truly eight
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