Speaker 1: Mac. I have news. I have amazing news in my life.
Speaker 1: Maybe the best news that I've received when was my
Speaker 1: kid born four ish years ago? Best news since then? Okay,
Speaker 1: a barber shop has opened in my neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Oh well, here's the thing. Yeah, you know, if anyone
Speaker 2: that's been following the podcast for a couple of years, now,
Speaker 2: you get a little bit of a run in with
Speaker 2: your barber, longtime barber, and I suggested going elsewhere, and
Speaker 2: you thought that was blasphemous.
Speaker 1: I did. But also they charge way too much money now,
Speaker 1: and the barber shop that's in my neighborhood thirty dollars
Speaker 1: for a haircut.
Speaker 2: For a regular regular Yeah, wow, what's it like? Fifteen
Speaker 2: bucks for a buzz cut?
Speaker 1: There? Get this even better? What a kid's haircut? Are
Speaker 1: you sitting down? I have sat down? Fifteen dollars? Wow.
Speaker 2: So they're trying to get the people in there. That's smart,
Speaker 2: smart business.
Speaker 1: And I have no idea if they're any good. Well
Speaker 1: my hair, they did cut my hair. I look amazing.
Speaker 1: If you're listening on the podcast right now, I look
Speaker 1: fantastic right now.
Speaker 2: What do you get on the side, is that a
Speaker 2: low taper mid taper. What do they call that?
Speaker 1: I used to say a fatal one up, let's go
Speaker 1: hide and tight. But for a kid's haircut to be
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars, it could be the worst haircut in the world.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost. It's there's like a novelty to kids
Speaker 2: having bad haircuts, so it almost doesn't matter, like until
Speaker 2: he starts taking school pictures. And even then they're funny
Speaker 2: to look at years years in the past.
Speaker 1: Because my other barber, four kids, forty five dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, there's not a lot of hair. It's
Speaker 2: I mean, when they're young, I guess you gotta hair.
Speaker 2: But that's fine, no smaller heads.
Speaker 1: My kid's got a fucking melon for a haf he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a melon on him.
Speaker 2: I guess when they're younger, you gotta keep them distracted
Speaker 2: and seated. So maybe the bit of an up charge
Speaker 2: hair but in Raffi's range now, like, what's a haircut?
Speaker 2: Take ten minutes and they're gonna charge your forty five bucks.
Speaker 1: Now. Here's the problem, though, is that they've been open
Speaker 1: for a week. My new barber, Yeah, I have claimed them.
Speaker 1: They are my barber. Okay, they've been opened for one week,
Speaker 1: and every time that I have driven by the barber shop,
Speaker 1: which is roughly four times a day, there's never anyone
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Brittain New.
Speaker 1: I am deathly afraid right now that they are gonna
Speaker 1: close shop.
Speaker 2: No, I think you'll be all right.
Speaker 1: So lay it on me. Economics one on one.
Speaker 2: Hit me as a baldman. I don't frequent barbershops that often,
Speaker 2: but every once in a while I get lazy and
Speaker 2: I like the you know, the hot shape treatment, so
Speaker 2: I'll go. So there's a place I go down the
Speaker 2: block from the firehouse I work at. And when they
Speaker 2: first started, it was three barbers in that shop, a
Speaker 2: smaller shop, and it wasn't that packed. Now two three
Speaker 2: years later, you like, you can't even you almost can't
Speaker 2: even walk in. You have to make an appointment because
Speaker 2: they're so busy.
Speaker 1: I just need them to survive. I can't go back
Speaker 1: being able to walk to my barber shop, and the
Speaker 1: hours are great. Being able to walk to my barber shop.
Speaker 1: It's fucking liberating. How early do they open nine o'clock?
Speaker 2: Okay, so that that seems to be like the regular
Speaker 2: of these days, there is a barber shop in the
Speaker 2: Lake in Newton that opens at seven, I believe, so
Speaker 2: you can get a pre work herecut that's a real
Speaker 2: old school one.
Speaker 1: But they also close at eight, so it's a real
Speaker 1: long day. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I uh, I love a neighborhood barbershop.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: It's it's uh, you almost feel like you've gone back
Speaker 2: thirty years when you when you enter a barbershop, even
Speaker 2: when it's got new technology. Just like the aura and
Speaker 2: the vibe in there is like a throwback.
Speaker 1: One good. Three Yeah, just three. King of Queen Mall Street,
Speaker 1: Enter Goo and I'm a man And this is the
Speaker 1: Mac and Goo program. We bring you wet Friendship.
Speaker 2: We're getting real moist today.
Speaker 1: Boys.
Speaker 2: Today we are talking about one of my favorite movies
Speaker 2: of my childhood, water World.
Speaker 1: Water World.
Speaker 2: I still no spoiler here, peak behind the curtain for
Speaker 2: what's to come. I still enjoy this movie to what
Speaker 2: degree we could talk about, but I still enjoy this.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I think.
Speaker 2: If you have yet to watch this movie, it is
Speaker 2: streaming for free on the.
Speaker 1: Cock because water streams down a river.
Speaker 2: If you have a Peacock subscription, you can watch this
Speaker 2: for free. Otherwise I don't know how to watch it,
Speaker 2: but it's free on there. Goo. Yes, water World is
Speaker 2: an R rated action adventure in sci fi. And I'll
Speaker 2: tell you there's some more stuff here on IMDb. For
Speaker 2: some reason, the IMDb app lists every possible tag on it,
Speaker 2: whereas the website will just give like the top three.
Speaker 1: Generally.
Speaker 2: This is also listed goo as an adventure, epic, dystopian
Speaker 2: sci fi, a quest, a nice quest, a sea adventure.
Speaker 1: I like that. That's that's not a genre. That's not
Speaker 1: a genre.
Speaker 2: It's this in the Pirates movie see adventures, and then
Speaker 2: also steampunk, which I suppose we will.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, but I bet that if you ask Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner and then.
Speaker 2: Who's the director, Kevin Reynolds.
Speaker 1: I bet if you asked them what the genre was,
Speaker 1: they would say, fuck you see adventure. No, they would
Speaker 1: just say mind your own business, watch the movie and
Speaker 1: shut up.
Speaker 2: This movie has a run time of one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes two hours and fifteen minutes, and in
Speaker 2: that respect, it's about thirty minutes too long.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you which version did you watch?
Speaker 1: Because there are technically three versions. There was the one
Speaker 1: that aired on television on ABC. That was actually too
Speaker 1: long to air in one night, so they cut it
Speaker 1: in half and did it as a two night adventure,
Speaker 1: if you will. They cut out some of the adult content,
Speaker 1: but they added in seventeen minutes of dialogue.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, So there there are a couple like low
Speaker 2: moments of this movie where it does get a little boring.
Speaker 2: But the swashbuckling fun is great, and I wish there
Speaker 2: was almost more of that. You get a decent amount
Speaker 2: of it, but I would say if you got this
Speaker 2: to just under two hours, like an hour fifty hour
Speaker 2: fifty five, it would have been much better.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the mix of the television and theatrical version,
Speaker 1: which is called the Ulysses Cut.
Speaker 2: I watched whatever a Peacock offered to me, so.
Speaker 1: Roughly three hours long. The Ulysses cut is three hours long. Roughly.
Speaker 2: I like that Ulysses. Yeah, okay, all right, I.
Speaker 1: Never watched that. I believe you saw the theater version.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's that makes sense. That's that's probably the
Speaker 2: version I saw.
Speaker 1: Goo.
Speaker 2: Yes, speaking of theaters, this hit theaters July twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five. You and I were six years old. Actually,
Speaker 2: this supplanted Apollo thirteen in the theaters that weekend was
Speaker 2: number one at the box office for like a month straight.
Speaker 2: I actually watched Apaul thirteen in the theaters, one of
Speaker 2: the early movies I remember seeing in the theaters off
Speaker 2: of an initial budget of one hundred million, which then
Speaker 2: ballooned to one seventy two by the end of shooting. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then if you include marketing, we get up to
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty five million dollars to make and
Speaker 2: market this movie. It only made eighty eight million dollars
Speaker 2: at the US box office. That obviously is an incredible flop.
Speaker 2: It did make its money back worldwide, though it cumulative
Speaker 2: worldwide up to two sixty four But again, you know,
Speaker 2: theaters and studio split profits, so they probably lost a
Speaker 2: decent amount of money.
Speaker 1: And that it is profitable too off of its cable
Speaker 1: television airings too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on cable TV for a good fifteen.
Speaker 1: Also, sorry, and we're gonna jump on each other this
Speaker 1: entire podcast. But the original budget for this movie was
Speaker 1: supposed to be twenty million dollars one hundred No, No,
Speaker 1: the original original budget was twenty million, and then as I.
Speaker 2: Don't know how they thought they were going to make
Speaker 2: a movie set in the ocean for twenty million.
Speaker 1: So it then jumped to sixty five. But then Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner wanted to add some more real and that's when
Speaker 1: it jumped to one hundred. Then around day ninety six
Speaker 1: it ballooned to one fifty seven, was then at one
Speaker 1: thirty five, balloon to the one seventy five. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 2: It's a nice fun fact for Yeah, dude, let me
Speaker 2: let me see if you can guess the other films
Speaker 2: that were in the box office that weekend other than
Speaker 2: this and Apalla thirteen round out the top five.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety five. What is the release date?
Speaker 2: July twenty eighth.
Speaker 1: July twenty eighth. I No, Toy Story wasn't until November,
Speaker 1: so that wouldn't be the case. Lion King was ninety
Speaker 1: four was Pocahontas in the theaters?
Speaker 2: No? No, so the the other three. First was this,
Speaker 2: Second was a movie called The Net starring Sandra Bullock,
Speaker 2: which was I think an internet spy for I've never
Speaker 2: seen it. That fell off pretty quickly. That didn't do well.
Speaker 2: Third was Appall thirteen. Fourth was Clueless.
Speaker 1: Oh, Clueless, God speed Alicia Silverstone. By the way, apparently
Speaker 1: she ate some poison berries.
Speaker 2: Another one that I like, probably more than most. And
Speaker 2: then rounding out the top five was the Hugh Grant
Speaker 2: rom com nine Months You Grant, Oh.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. So the other day at work,
Speaker 1: of course, when Alicia Silverstone did eat the poison berries,
Speaker 1: there were some coworkers, some younger co workers, who didn't
Speaker 1: know who she was. And then I explained that mid
Speaker 1: to late nineties one of the biggest movie stars in
Speaker 1: the world, and then an older coworker said, that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound true. Where do you fall on this?
Speaker 2: She was in two gigantic movies, yes, and she had
Speaker 2: the Clueless television show.
Speaker 1: She wasn't in that, but go ahead, she wasn't in there. Now,
Speaker 1: who's played share in the television show? How would I
Speaker 1: know that? Off the top of my head, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure she was in the show. She was not, but
Speaker 1: go ahead, fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: She also was in that Aerosmith video, which obviously everyone
Speaker 2: references all the time. So she was pretty a popular
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say she was a list. She was
Speaker 2: probably be list.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, so you're you're siding more with my older
Speaker 1: co worker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I wouldn't. I wouldn't call her a megastar,
Speaker 2: but she I you know, she was missing, she was
Speaker 2: missing that legitimizing role. So obviously Cluis made her a star.
Speaker 2: Blast from the Past Batman and Robin kind of took
Speaker 2: her back down.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was the success.
Speaker 2: I think she would have vaulted to a but obviously
Speaker 2: that that didn't work.
Speaker 1: Last from the Past good Yes.
Speaker 2: On Roddy T's this movie has forty seven percent from
Speaker 2: the critics, forty three percent from the audience audience, And honestly,
Speaker 2: that's not as bad as as it's made out to be.
Speaker 2: When you hear people talk about water World, you would
Speaker 2: think that critics gave it ten percent, audience gave it twenty.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's just comparing it to how much
Speaker 1: it costs to make. That's that's what I say.
Speaker 2: It's it's for sure all relative because this even removing
Speaker 2: some bias, I don't think it's a bad movie.
Speaker 1: I think at that fifty percent, I get it. That's
Speaker 1: kind of that's pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that. And on on Metacritic, it's a
Speaker 2: fifty six, so critics didn't hate this movie. It's just
Speaker 2: obviously was disappointing for what it may have promised her
Speaker 2: what it was potentially going to be. This movie's written
Speaker 2: by Peter Raider, who you would never know before you
Speaker 2: didn't know afterwards, as well as David Toohey. David Twohy
Speaker 2: wrote The Fugitive g I Jane pitched Black the Chronicles
Speaker 2: of Ritick and Rittick, so obviously carried that franchise.
Speaker 1: When it comes to writing this movie. The original script
Speaker 1: was written in nineteen eighty six and was inspired I
Speaker 1: put that in quotes by Mad Max. It was then
Speaker 1: finished in nineteen eighty nine, and on the set they
Speaker 1: had Joss Whedon doing rewrites.
Speaker 2: I like that, Look at you. You really did do
Speaker 2: your research.
Speaker 1: I told you ahead of time for a single movie review.
Speaker 1: This is the most research I have done in a
Speaker 1: very very long time.
Speaker 2: And it is clear how much of Mad Max is
Speaker 2: an inspiration into this, and.
Speaker 1: That how much they ripped off from Mad Max eighty six.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know it's more fun
Speaker 2: than sand and dust, water and waves.
Speaker 1: Go, oh, that's a Paul right there. What are you
Speaker 1: far sand and dust or water in waves? Because I
Speaker 1: think if you ask the characters in this movie, they
Speaker 1: would say sand and dust because that is their currency.
Speaker 2: Oh look at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I paid at during the movie as well. I
Speaker 1: paid attention during the movie.
Speaker 2: David two. He's still working as skuffour upcoming projects, so
Speaker 2: if you liked water World, look out for those. This
Speaker 2: movie is directed by the f fourmentioned Kevin Reynolds. Uh.
Speaker 2: He actually directed Costner twice before this and Fandango and
Speaker 2: Robin Hood Prince Prince of Thieves.
Speaker 1: Yes, and because of those movies, he was handpicked by Costner.
Speaker 1: Do you know who Universal wanted for this movie?
Speaker 2: I don't lay it on me.
Speaker 1: Robert Zamechis.
Speaker 2: Oh and you know who said no, Roberts Kevin Costner.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not working with that guy.
Speaker 2: Really. Yep, this would be coming off the heels of
Speaker 2: Forrest Gump.
Speaker 1: Too, or yeah, right after the Heels of Forest Gump.
Speaker 1: Why he's at his.
Speaker 2: Honest, that's that's that's wild. Although Costner notoriously a massive
Speaker 2: fucking dick. And speaking of that, Kevin Reynolds actually left
Speaker 2: this movie before it was finished. It was all shot,
Speaker 2: but they were editing and producing it and Kevin Reynolds
Speaker 2: left the movie because him and Kevin Costner had such
Speaker 2: a large disagreement.
Speaker 1: Costner would have walked off this project if Reynolds was
Speaker 1: not the director.
Speaker 2: Okay, to start, you have to imagine what took place
Speaker 2: for them for it to cause such a rift between
Speaker 2: the two, Mac.
Speaker 1: Do you know what critics called this movie when it
Speaker 1: was being released? Swashbuckling fun Pundits called it fish Tar
Speaker 1: and Kevin's Gate. Okay, all right, those are parodies off
Speaker 1: of other movies that had production issues.
Speaker 2: A nice end to the Costner Reynolds story, though. He
Speaker 2: came back in twenty twelve and directed Costner in the
Speaker 2: twenty twelve mini series Halfield's and McCoy's. So they're friends again.
Speaker 2: So that's nice friendship. We always like to see friendship.
Speaker 1: Okay, so once again, this movie was the most expensive
Speaker 1: movie of all time at the time of its release,
Speaker 1: at roughly one seventy five MAC. I'm gonna list you
Speaker 1: some other popular movies, other popular big budget blockbusters at
Speaker 1: that time. Can you guess the production budget of these movies? Okay? Twister, Twister, I.
Speaker 2: Bet was expensive. A lot of CGI in that I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say. Twister was like one hundred and twenty million
Speaker 2: ninety two.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, how about T two Terminator two T
Speaker 1: that was nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Robert Patrick effects were probably expensive, but it
Speaker 2: was a few years prior, so it's gonna be cheaper.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say eighty million, one hundred million. Oh, all right,
Speaker 1: Independence Day.
Speaker 2: It depends once Day had to have been expensive. I'll
Speaker 2: go to one twenty seventy five million. Wow, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: Men in Black, Here come the Men in Black. They
Speaker 1: paid all their money just for that song, just for that.
Speaker 2: Saleh one oh four on Men in.
Speaker 1: Black ninety million, oh wow. And then finally, the cost
Speaker 1: of Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2: If Terminator was let's go ninety seven million.
Speaker 1: Sixty three million dollars.
Speaker 2: Wow. So basically, this was three times more expensive than
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park and double as expensive as everything else.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, some of this movie looks incredible.
Speaker 2: The whole thing surrounding that floating sea city is awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But also with the floating sea city with all
Speaker 1: of their boats being on open water. Speaking of Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg, who had some experience working on water, told
Speaker 1: Universal told the director told everyone don't work on open water.
Speaker 1: They didn't listen to them, and hurricane season came and
Speaker 1: took out some of their equipment.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I don't know. They've been building sound stages for
Speaker 2: one hundred years. I don't know if the technology was
Speaker 2: good enough to build a massive water stage with a
Speaker 2: big bluers.
Speaker 1: I can get to that in a second, Okay.
Speaker 2: Because that obviously would have would have cut down on
Speaker 2: a ton of costs.
Speaker 1: Yep. So Spielberg said, you're just gonna need a couple
Speaker 1: shots on the water, use the second unit for that.
Speaker 1: Do all of your coverage in a tank or on
Speaker 1: a stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes one hundred percent sense.
Speaker 1: And then, of course hurricane season came and they built
Speaker 1: a one thousand ton floating island off the coast of
Speaker 1: Hawaii that was a quarter mile wide and used all
Speaker 1: of the steel in Hawaii. Now, because there was only
Speaker 1: so many people there to work, local contractors took full
Speaker 1: advantage of being the only game in town and upped
Speaker 1: all their prices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely several people got hurt during the shooting of this movie.
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner's stunt double almost died of embolism and uh, Tina, measurino, measurino.
Speaker 2: That's the little girl.
Speaker 1: The little girl. She was stung by jellyfish repeatedly. That's
Speaker 1: not funny, mac.
Speaker 2: How often was she in the water? She kept getting stung?
Speaker 1: Well, she was tossed in the water by in that
Speaker 1: scene when she couldn't swim by the way, she should
Speaker 1: have drowned in that scene. Right, she can't swim me,
Speaker 1: she's tossing to open water.
Speaker 2: She's all right, you'd be all right for a few
Speaker 2: seconds anyways.
Speaker 1: Go yes.
Speaker 2: It's anopsis of water world in a future where the
Speaker 2: polar ice caps have melted and Earth is almost entirely submerged.
Speaker 2: A mutated mariner fights starvation and outlaw smokers and reluctantly
Speaker 2: helps a woman and a young girl try to find
Speaker 2: dry land.
Speaker 1: The smokers are so over sold even than in that
Speaker 1: minor synopsis. The smokers suck.
Speaker 2: But they only suck against competent people. They dominated it.
Speaker 1: How many people are actually here? Also, I'm gonna toss
Speaker 1: this out here. Costner not a people. Costner is a
Speaker 1: frog in this movie.
Speaker 2: He's a mutant.
Speaker 1: He's an amphibian.
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason why I love the movies
Speaker 2: a superhero.
Speaker 1: I also cannot stand the fact that everyone keeps on
Speaker 1: referring to him as being like a fish boy or
Speaker 1: a fish man. He's an amphibian, He's a frog. He's
Speaker 1: able to both breathe oxygen and water. That makes him
Speaker 1: a frog or a toad.
Speaker 2: Well, little spoilerer here for how gills work. They're actually
Speaker 2: getting oxygen out of the water.
Speaker 1: You're not breathing water, right, But that's what frogs do.
Speaker 2: Frogs breathe water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's true. Learn about frogs and tatapoles,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do like the Dennis Hopper calls him guppy in
Speaker 2: this That's that's a nice little fish reference there.
Speaker 1: He should have called him a tadpole.
Speaker 2: This movie stars Kevin Costner as the Mariner no name,
Speaker 2: I never given a name.
Speaker 1: He is what a boring lead character?
Speaker 2: He is pretty one note, that's for sure. And I
Speaker 2: hate Kevin Costner and still like this movie.
Speaker 1: Did you know that Kevin Costner stayed in an eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a day ocean front villa with a pool
Speaker 1: and butler while shooting this movie. This was all happening
Speaker 1: during a divorce with his wife, where he lost an
Speaker 1: eighty million dollar settlement and his trainer was arrested for
Speaker 1: having illegal steroids during the shooting of This.
Speaker 2: Movie also stars Dennis operas Deacon Always. Denis Opera is
Speaker 2: Always a great villain. He's great in this movie.
Speaker 1: Let me say this, I think he might be having
Speaker 1: the most fun that anyone has ever had on a
Speaker 1: movie during this movie. He has a blast. My issue
Speaker 1: with it is that he is so non threatening as
Speaker 1: the bad guy that it really takes you out of it.
Speaker 2: No, because you can tell that he's like just somehow
Speaker 2: almost happenstance ended up in power. But he he himself
Speaker 2: isn't very intimidating. He's got his you know, Bulkan skull
Speaker 2: to his left and right, the big blonde guy who's decent.
Speaker 1: But he's Bulkan skull mixed into one. Anyways, you can't
Speaker 1: have twenty Balkan skulls.
Speaker 2: You have Geene Triplehorn. Gu here as Helen, who I
Speaker 2: think I spent maybe I don't know the first five
Speaker 2: years after watching this movie thinking that she was a
Speaker 2: Nola's mother A Noola played by Tina Majorino, No and not.
Speaker 2: She just sort of takes care of her because they
Speaker 2: ended up at that floating city. And another note here,
Speaker 2: one of the last casting note, you don't really need
Speaker 2: to know anyone else besides the tall blonde.
Speaker 1: Guy, Jack Black.
Speaker 2: Jack Black plays one of the smokers in this movie.
Speaker 1: Was So, was he in the movie or was he
Speaker 1: cut out of the movie?
Speaker 2: No, he's in it.
Speaker 1: What his line was cut out of the movie? Right?
Speaker 2: Possibly? I don't know about that, but he's definitely in
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 1: Back to the leading lady. There wasn't it odd that
Speaker 1: when a Nola was kidnapped their initial reaction was to
Speaker 1: bang like they had sex almost immediately after she was kidnapped.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, Sorry, oh this is all spoilers. The movie
Speaker 1: came out fucking one hundred years ago. But I mean
Speaker 1: you kind of understand. You're like, oh, we finally have
Speaker 1: a second to ourselves. Let's get naked. But I have
Speaker 1: a note here.
Speaker 2: Gou her daughter for lack of a better term, is
Speaker 2: gone and they're gonna die, so they said time to fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, did I miss it? Did she have like
Speaker 1: a line in the movie of like, hey, I know
Speaker 1: that you have gills and you're a mutant. What are
Speaker 1: you working with down stairs. No, I don't think that
Speaker 1: was uttered. I someone should have asked, because that is
Speaker 1: a question that you should ask. Also, so I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to Jumper once again, but yeah, yeah, why is he
Speaker 1: the only mutant in the movie? Also, did you do
Speaker 1: the research of how many years has it been since
Speaker 1: the ice caps have melted?
Speaker 2: So that's I didn't. I don't know if it's ever
Speaker 2: been said. But so a couple things here, And this
Speaker 2: is for the folks at home that maybe I haven't
Speaker 2: watched a movie and are trying to better understand water World. Yes, essentially,
Speaker 2: if the synopsis wasn't good enough, Essentially, this is a
Speaker 2: world where water covers ninety nine percent of the planet.
Speaker 2: Everyone has heard about this mythical dry land, but no
Speaker 2: one knows where it is. No one's really seen it
Speaker 2: except for you know, a few here and there. There's
Speaker 2: no real way to find it. There's no technology. You
Speaker 2: just have hand maps that are probably a thousand.
Speaker 1: Or tattooed maps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Kevin Cosser's character has a mutation where he
Speaker 2: has gills behind his ears, which leads you to believe
Speaker 2: they've got to be like at least a thousand years
Speaker 2: into this ridal world for mutation to happen. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So there's no set timeframe, but I'm guessing at least
Speaker 2: a thousand years, if not a couple thousands.
Speaker 1: He also has web toes like a fucking frog.
Speaker 2: Right, come on, go with the frog.
Speaker 1: Frog?
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't have a long tongue. Wouldn't call him
Speaker 2: a frog?
Speaker 1: I also would in the mind. So he had the
Speaker 1: sex scene with the lady, but also like a sex
Speaker 1: scene with a frog. Like he finds both attractive because
Speaker 1: he's both.
Speaker 2: Uh. The villains in this movie are the aforementioned Smokers,
Speaker 2: led by Dennis Hopper, who will do anything to find
Speaker 2: this mythical dry land, and they basically raid all these
Speaker 2: floating cities and boats and they just come to discover
Speaker 2: that this little girl on Nola has this tattooed map
Speaker 2: on her back, and that she becomes the focus of
Speaker 2: everyone's interest in this movie. On Coster's character, the Mariner,
Speaker 2: he basically hates everyone. He fends for himself, floats in
Speaker 2: the sea for days and days, occasionally comes into comes
Speaker 2: past other drifters, and the only real change he makes
Speaker 2: in this is you don't really see it visually, but
Speaker 2: he just starts caring for the little girl, and part
Speaker 2: of it maybe is because Helen fucked him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea. It's too much
Speaker 1: like it's the hardened leading male character, much like Alan Grant,
Speaker 1: say in Jurassic Park, who just does not give a
Speaker 1: shit about these kids. But then by the end he
Speaker 1: his heart grows three size is too big, and he
Speaker 1: realizes the wrong of his ways.
Speaker 2: It's a tale as old as time, a beauty and
Speaker 2: the beast, a woman and a kid, humanizing this fucking
Speaker 2: overly masculine male.
Speaker 1: But Jesus man, he is so abusive. I get it's
Speaker 1: been a thousand years, but did your manners melt with
Speaker 1: the ice caps?
Speaker 2: Well, he's fucking flowing. He's gonna the fucking open of
Speaker 2: the movie. The man sales has goddamn limes. She's gonna
Speaker 2: fend for himself every day.
Speaker 1: He is physically abusive. He is emotionally abusive. He cuts
Speaker 1: their hair with a knife, which is like, I appreciate
Speaker 1: a cheap haircut, but that's too much.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you didn't get the setting appropriate
Speaker 2: at the beginning. But he's got to pee into a
Speaker 2: cup to drink his Morning Water.
Speaker 1: The first ten minutes of this movie is fucking breakneck
Speaker 1: speed of like this is what this movie is strap
Speaker 1: in because you have two more hours of it. The
Speaker 1: issue is that the next two hours slows down at
Speaker 1: points way too much.
Speaker 2: There's a couple times I wouldn't say way too much.
Speaker 2: There's definitely enough action in there. I do like how
Speaker 2: it's like Mad Max inspired. But you have like an
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones esque soundtrack to the movie, and like soundscape.
Speaker 1: I hate the soundtrack to this movie. I hate the
Speaker 1: score to this movie. It is love all over the place.
Speaker 1: It is ripping off John Williams. It is ripping off
Speaker 1: what's his name? Who does like the Burton movies? Why
Speaker 1: am I blanking on his name? But it like it
Speaker 1: has like that big like Burton orchestral type of sound
Speaker 1: to it too, sounds like Jones. But it also like
Speaker 1: has like a far East sound to it. At points
Speaker 1: it has like an well, it has an indigenous people
Speaker 1: sound to it. At points it doesn't know what it
Speaker 1: wants to be.
Speaker 2: No, and it invokes all the right emotions at certain points.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to feel at any point of
Speaker 1: this movie. And then you have that like soft soundtrack
Speaker 1: in the background, and everyone in this movie, much like
Speaker 1: everyone in this podcast, just yells all of their lines.
Speaker 2: Do you want to get to the gauntlet.
Speaker 1: In a second? I think My favorite rumor about this
Speaker 1: movie that had to do with a lot of spending
Speaker 1: is that Kevin Costner demanded that the special effects development
Speaker 1: team add computer generated hair to his balding head.
Speaker 2: They couldn't just wear extensions.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even understand that, which is something
Speaker 1: that Mac asked me to do before every one of
Speaker 1: these podcasts.
Speaker 2: How do you even do you even see like the
Speaker 2: back of his head often in this movie?
Speaker 1: I don't even understand that he has like thin, stringy hair,
Speaker 1: but then he has the definitely thinner front hair.
Speaker 2: He is an all time dickhead. Is there anyone in
Speaker 2: Hollywood that likes him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what are we talking
Speaker 1: about right now. I'm so lost. I fell asleep multiple
Speaker 1: times watching this movie. This took me three times to
Speaker 1: sit through.
Speaker 2: It's a real warrior effort out of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, much like the Mariner. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to the nonagon. I guess fun factor. Mac and I
Speaker 1: do think that this is a pretty fun movie. It
Speaker 1: doesn't waste any time. At the beginning, the polarized caps
Speaker 1: have melted, the world is water. Costner drinks his own
Speaker 1: pea and then he does a cool summersault. The action
Speaker 1: and the stunts in this movie, although by the end,
Speaker 1: kind of feel a little samesy and it feels like
Speaker 1: a park attraction. They're really cool. They're really fun. They
Speaker 1: look cool. I actually did after watching the movie, I
Speaker 1: watched the twenty minute stage show too. Oh did you
Speaker 1: really Yeah, which is pretty fucking awesome. Yeah, And Dennis
Speaker 1: Hopper is just fun.
Speaker 2: Dennis Opper's great. Yeah, oh my turn?
Speaker 1: Yes, do you want to talk in this podcast?
Speaker 2: I think this movie, especially framing it through maybe my
Speaker 2: eight year old mind. I was probably eight the first
Speaker 2: time I saw this. Just like a world of water
Speaker 2: inherently is fun to me, as opposed to a world
Speaker 2: of sand and dirt in that sort of the mad
Speaker 2: Max level. The action is super fun. Jets Key's jumping
Speaker 2: over shit, going under stuff. Yeah, you know, somehow a
Speaker 2: plane's involved. They don't ever really explain involved. There's no
Speaker 2: where do they get the gasoline. Don't overthink it whatever,
Speaker 2: They just maybe use water in the future.
Speaker 1: It's the future. I have no idea.
Speaker 2: It's all the boat stuff. I like, like him sliding
Speaker 2: up and down with the sales when he still pops out.
Speaker 2: It just is like they definitely tried their best to
Speaker 2: as much practical effects as they can, and I think
Speaker 2: that shows and helps a lot of this movie. It
Speaker 2: just like it is definitely missing, like a big action
Speaker 2: set piece towards the end. You have the big moment
Speaker 2: in the towards the end of the first act with
Speaker 2: the floating city, and then when he sneaks out of
Speaker 2: the boat towards the end, Like it's decent.
Speaker 1: But still like that. Do you like the killer Batman
Speaker 1: fucking scene where the girl is like narrating everything.
Speaker 2: If they had had a second tent pole action scene
Speaker 2: right there the third act, I think this movie would
Speaker 2: be way better because you're always thinking back to that
Speaker 2: first like assault on the city where they escape, and
Speaker 2: that's the best part of the movie.
Speaker 1: Al Right, Borometer, we'll jump to this one really quick.
Speaker 1: Is I mentioned that Dennis Hopper is very very fun.
Speaker 1: I think the smokers and Hopper as an actual villain
Speaker 1: is kind of boring, and I think that kind of
Speaker 1: gives it a little flimsy feel to it.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I don't agree. I think he's awesome. The
Speaker 2: boar armor definitely ticks here. When you're like, have the
Speaker 2: adults talk to the little girl like that, You're like,
Speaker 2: all right, I get it, she's like trying to be wisecracking,
Speaker 2: But I also feel like, you know, when you're out
Speaker 2: in the open ocean, there's a lot of downtime, So
Speaker 2: I feel like they tried to show that a little
Speaker 2: bit you fucking left to your own devices, and that
Speaker 2: is inherently boring, but it's accurate.
Speaker 1: And then also like, if you compare Costner to like
Speaker 1: the other stoic masculine heroes that we've gotten in the past,
Speaker 1: he's definitely close to the bottom of the list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a better lead and a second tent
Speaker 2: pole action scene would have made this movie maybe not great,
Speaker 2: but it would have maybe been in like the sixties
Speaker 2: or seventies on Roddy T's instead of the forties, because
Speaker 2: it's not that far off from being a pretty good movie.
Speaker 1: Satisfactor Mac. They reveal roughly twenty minutes into the movie
Speaker 1: that Costner is a mermaid my man, and you know
Speaker 1: he's able to live under the sea if he so chooses. So,
Speaker 1: first off, where are the other mutants? Because the land
Speaker 1: that buys the dirt off him, they know of other mutants,
Speaker 1: so they've encountered other mutants. You're kind of waiting for
Speaker 1: You're waiting for more mutants. As this movie goes on,
Speaker 1: you never get any. And then I think what they
Speaker 1: should have done and this is completely we're thirty years
Speaker 1: removed from this movie. Is maybe revealed that he has
Speaker 1: gills like an hour into the movie, two hours into
Speaker 1: the movie, and that's how he is able to then
Speaker 1: save people? Because you throw this out there so early,
Speaker 1: are they just trying to like adjust people be like, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, he has gills.
Speaker 2: First of all, I think it's pretty clear where all
Speaker 2: the other guild people are. The minute they found out
Speaker 2: the regular people found out he had gills, they tried
Speaker 2: to kill him. So all these, all of them.
Speaker 1: They tried to kill him by drowning him. Do they
Speaker 1: know how gills work?
Speaker 2: In like mud?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: That works? The first and the.
Speaker 1: First thing the guy did was try to have a
Speaker 1: knife fight with him in the fucking water. He has gills.
Speaker 1: How do you expect to win that fight?
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose every time. Yes, I could beat a wolf,
Speaker 2: I couldn't beat the mariner. Tell you that I think that,
Speaker 2: And maybe this differs between you and I. Him having
Speaker 2: gills in near like superhuman abilities make that fun and satisfying.
Speaker 2: Like I, you're almost watching a sudo, a pseudo like
Speaker 2: anti villain.
Speaker 1: He is supposed to be in Everyman every man.
Speaker 2: That's why he's a great fighter as well.
Speaker 1: I would have preferred him being a regular person.
Speaker 2: No, I like I like that he's basically Aquaman.
Speaker 1: Also, if he had a couple regular people emotions, that would.
Speaker 2: Have actually is being able to summon fish.
Speaker 1: That would have made this so you just would have
Speaker 1: wonted Aquaman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a better version of Aquaman.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the equator. Then Aquaman's better. No, this
Speaker 1: is better. No, this is Aquaman has a charismatic lead character. No,
Speaker 1: this is better. This has a better villain.
Speaker 2: That's a better story too.
Speaker 1: This one shows all but you get nudity.
Speaker 2: A better story and a better villain.
Speaker 1: Brief nudity, but is brief nudity is nudity, which is.
Speaker 2: Like if you're gonna have an R rated movie.
Speaker 1: PG. Thirteen. By the way, I thought it was PG.
Speaker 1: I thought it looked it up. I saw PG thirteen.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: I saw PG thirteen right, I put PG. I put
Speaker 2: R rated just assuming it was. You're right, though, there's
Speaker 2: not really any swears and there's no real blood either,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you're right, it probably is PG thirteen. It
Speaker 2: would have been better as.
Speaker 1: An are Yeah. I think this movie sinks, like the
Speaker 1: little girl who should have sunk to the bottom of
Speaker 1: the ocean when she was thrown into the water by
Speaker 1: the mariner.
Speaker 2: No, this movie is a fun summer blockbuster that should
Speaker 2: have and could have been better, But in my mind
Speaker 2: it's still rather enjoyable thirty years later.
Speaker 1: I think there are parts of this movie that are
Speaker 1: rather enjoyable, but there are other parts that, like I am,
Speaker 1: I was just exhausted watching this.
Speaker 2: What part? What part of Aquaman is rather enjoyable?
Speaker 1: The submarine scene, Permission to come aboard Redheads?
Speaker 2: It says more enjoyable scenes and action than Aquaman.
Speaker 1: Does I disagree? Third, No, I was gonna say I
Speaker 1: might have the same score, so let's just not okay.
Speaker 1: Halloween has our interest in this movie waned over time,
Speaker 1: and I think I have more appreciation for the movie
Speaker 1: because there it does look really really good at points,
Speaker 1: and the action is really cool at points. A lot
Speaker 1: of stuff doesn't look like this anymore. And also just
Speaker 1: everything that has to do with the budget and the
Speaker 1: background and the turmoil of this movie. It's very intriguing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a movie that I've watched. If you had
Speaker 2: to list like the top twenty movies you've seen most
Speaker 2: in your life, this is pretty close for me. I've
Speaker 2: seen this movie so many times, so it's hard for
Speaker 2: me to say it's it's waned over time. And also,
Speaker 2: like the whole we've talked about it a couple times before.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason we're doing this is me telling
Speaker 2: the story about how I found out Water Road wasn't
Speaker 2: well received, you know, in ninety seven, probably when I
Speaker 2: started watching it on cable television when I was eight
Speaker 2: years old. It became a movie I enjoyed very much.
Speaker 2: But when you're eight years old, you really talk to
Speaker 2: other people about movies. It's just not a conversation you have.
Speaker 2: And then when I got to college when I was
Speaker 2: eighteen years old, ten years later, two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: one of my friend's future roommates, I don't remember how
Speaker 2: it came up, But he was the first person to
Speaker 2: let me know that water World was not well received,
Speaker 2: and then of course I do a googs find all
Speaker 2: that stuff. I don't even know if Rotten Tomatoes existed
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, it might have been right
Speaker 2: around there. So there was no It was really hard
Speaker 2: to tell how things were received other than the box office, right,
Speaker 2: you just saw how much things were made. But I
Speaker 2: wasn't into metacritic. I wasn't into Roddy Tea's. I don't
Speaker 2: think cinema score was a thing like today that it's
Speaker 2: so apparent before the movie even hits theaters how people
Speaker 2: are going to react to movies, where in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five that wasn't a thing. You needed to see how
Speaker 2: it performed at the box office.
Speaker 1: Oh, let me ask you this, because you were a
Speaker 1: huge fan of this movie. You were six at the time,
Speaker 1: and then you watched it up through however old you were.
Speaker 1: Merch wise, did you buy any of the toy line?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I had any of the toys.
Speaker 2: Thinking back to it, I don't remember it. Anyways, I
Speaker 2: probably did, but I don't remember playing with the Mariner
Speaker 2: or any of the sets in here.
Speaker 1: Well, the toys were actually repainted. Robin Hood, Prince of
Speaker 1: Thieve modes.
Speaker 2: Makes sense both costner.
Speaker 1: Did you have the SNES game?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I did not. That makes sense. I think it was
Speaker 1: only released in Europe.
Speaker 2: I did not have the SNS.
Speaker 1: Did you have the PC game?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I did not. Did you have the Virtual Boy game? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't have a Virtual Boy. Did you know that
Speaker 1: the Virtual Boy game was voted the worst game on
Speaker 1: the system, and that is for the system, that is
Speaker 1: the worst of all time.
Speaker 2: Was it a side scroller?
Speaker 1: No, it was like a three D print where you're
Speaker 1: inside of the water world, but it's only red. That's
Speaker 1: all they could do with the Virtual Boy. Did you
Speaker 1: have any of the comics that came out two years
Speaker 1: after the movie? No.
Speaker 2: What they tried to save the movie with a future
Speaker 2: comic line.
Speaker 1: They said, some people like this movie, let's try Star.
Speaker 2: Wars esque and you know, actually it's funny. And the
Speaker 2: the title slide at the opening of the movie gives
Speaker 2: you some Avatar vibes as well. There's a little bit
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: The music, the like the Indigenous people music, I would say,
Speaker 1: is like it has a very similar avatar feel so.
Speaker 2: James Cameron ripped off water World?
Speaker 1: Was it South Park? Did South Park say that the
Speaker 1: first avatar was Smurfs? With water World?
Speaker 2: That's pretty accurate.
Speaker 1: Okay, Plemons. When life gives you Plemens, you make plemonade.
Speaker 1: And the only singular character that I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's enjoying himself, that would be Dennis Hopper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's clearly Dennis Opper. Ever seen Dennis Hopper in
Speaker 2: is is a treat. He's really really having his fun here.
Speaker 2: I just think, you know, we talked about it a
Speaker 2: little bit in the past when we did Best Villains, right,
Speaker 2: and we talked about Dennis Hopper in the nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is one of the greatest villain actors we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: He's really really good at being a son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: You know, you'd Speed, what was the other one in
Speaker 2: the nineties that he was in as well, Mario. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just great at being the son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: But I liked especially in this, Like in Speed, he's
Speaker 2: truly terrifying.
Speaker 1: He's gonna speed.
Speaker 2: In this You're like, oh, he's kind of a weasel.
Speaker 2: He's one of those weasel type bad guys which I liked.
Speaker 1: Like when we did our nineteen nineties Best Villains of
Speaker 1: the Decade, this character was not on there.
Speaker 2: I think I honorably mentioned him.
Speaker 1: I believe Max credit Union. I think the credit should
Speaker 1: go to Steven Spielberg for knowing this was gonna cost
Speaker 1: too much money.
Speaker 2: I got. I credit Universal, who I believe was a studio.
Speaker 1: Who Kevin Costner, we know that you want to make
Speaker 1: this movie, take more of our money.
Speaker 2: I credit them for having the ambition to try to
Speaker 2: take on this project. I think ten years later it
Speaker 2: would have been a lot easier to make this movie.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why the script waited for nine
Speaker 2: years in the first place, because technology wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be possible to make this movie. However, though it is
Speaker 2: so perfect that it came out in the middle in
Speaker 2: the nineties. This is such a st this nineties movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that if we ever did and we
Speaker 1: should do something like this, like most like specific to
Speaker 1: a decade, like movies that are very specific to a decade,
Speaker 1: this would be in there, and this would be like
Speaker 1: top ten.
Speaker 2: Like this just reeks of mid nineties and it perfectly
Speaker 2: fits in ninety.
Speaker 1: Fo like Breakfast Club, Reeks eighties, Yeah, This Reeks nineties, Yes, Pants,
Speaker 1: ten City, Excite, bike Mania. What got you going in
Speaker 1: this movie?
Speaker 2: I think it's easily that siege of the smokers on
Speaker 2: that floating city and the escape and the fighting and
Speaker 2: that like twenty minute scene is fucking great. It's awesome,
Speaker 2: and they essentially built that attraction in Universal Studios based
Speaker 2: off of that one scene, so clearly most people felt
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goo party,
Speaker 1: we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating scale,
Speaker 1: and Mac, I think for the most part, this movie
Speaker 1: looks incredible, and you know there there are some points.
Speaker 1: It's the green screen, or maybe there's some CGI that's
Speaker 1: kind of meh, like Hopper on the rope at the
Speaker 1: end that doesn't look great, or the bungee cord saved
Speaker 1: by Costner of anytime they.
Speaker 2: Get airborne or floating it with the floating guy, it
Speaker 2: looks wonky.
Speaker 1: The stunts are pretty dope in this But for as
Speaker 1: much fun as I had watching this movie, sporadically, this
Speaker 1: movie was so exhausting, Like even after a fun stunt
Speaker 1: filled scene, I had to turn it off for a
Speaker 1: little while. I couldn't keep going. I needed a little break.
Speaker 1: Costner's Mariner is just boring and paper thin. It's another
Speaker 1: leading male character that doesn't want to deal with the child.
Speaker 1: He's a hardened dude, but then you know by the
Speaker 1: end is hard he has to save them and we
Speaker 1: get that. I didn't necessarily love that killer Batman scene
Speaker 1: at the end. I keep on calling it that. It's
Speaker 1: him going through the compound killing people one by one
Speaker 1: trying to get the girl back.
Speaker 2: Although the first kill when he rides the jet ski
Speaker 2: into the guy up the rap, is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool, But I don't know. This is
Speaker 1: such This is such a weird watch because I like
Speaker 1: what they were going for. I like a lot, not
Speaker 1: a lot. I like some of what's in this movie.
Speaker 1: Some of it is wildly boring. I don't really love
Speaker 1: besides some of hawper any of the characters. Twenty two
Speaker 1: hot dogs.
Speaker 2: That's a fair assessment. And obviously with the rutted tee scores,
Speaker 2: I think people feel similar to you more so than me.
Speaker 2: I'm not way higher than you. Well we'll see.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, it turns out I have the same score
Speaker 1: as you.
Speaker 2: To me, this is missing you change the leading man.
Speaker 2: You have a second great action scene in the third act,
Speaker 2: and you're like right in that thirty two to thirty
Speaker 2: three dog range. But because Coster stinks and they are
Speaker 2: missing that second like because the high of the movie
Speaker 2: comes what forty minutes in, and then you have a
Speaker 2: whole hour and a half left where it never gets that.
Speaker 1: Even their first action scene of the smokers attacking that compound,
Speaker 1: for the most part, you're saying, this is nonsense. Everyone
Speaker 1: is just yelling at each other.
Speaker 2: I mean, so that's like what Mad Max is really
Speaker 2: in the Mad Max movies are there's a lot of
Speaker 2: that nonsense. They just never got back to that. They
Speaker 2: had it here and there, more isolated stuff, but another
Speaker 2: big set piece like that would have been great, might
Speaker 2: have cost him another fifty million dollars, So maybe that's
Speaker 2: why they didn't do it. But it's definitely missing that,
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, because it's missing that second
Speaker 2: set and because Coster fucking stinks. I have this at
Speaker 2: like twenty seven hot dogs. It is again so close
Speaker 2: to being I think baseline good. It's probably not a
Speaker 2: good movie, but because I've seen it so many times
Speaker 2: and I have those early feelings, I would call it good.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven's right on that line. But like a lot
Speaker 2: of movies I give twenty seven are disappointing or boring,
Speaker 2: and this has some of that. It's just what brings
Speaker 2: it up to twenty seven, probably from twenty four, which
Speaker 2: I have the equator at is the swashbuckling fun is.
Speaker 1: The second is swashbuckling. I haven't said the word swashbuckling
Speaker 1: enough in this podcast. It is swashbuckling, just the idea
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: And again i'd like the little mini superhero power stuff
Speaker 2: like I like that shit. So I have fond memories
Speaker 2: of this. That's probably elevating it. Two three, four five
Speaker 2: Dogs and that's why I'm at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned the idea of it. I think this
Speaker 1: movie is ripe for a remake or a sequel, a
Speaker 1: legacy sequel.
Speaker 2: Speaking of movies that have done well that are not
Speaker 2: too far away from them, the two Mad Max movies
Speaker 2: that have come out in the last four or five
Speaker 2: years have done obviously very well, and then Avatar twice
Speaker 2: now has blown people's dicks off, and this is in
Speaker 2: the same vein. It hasn't been of the same quality,
Speaker 2: but it's in the same vein. You could make another
Speaker 2: movie set in water World and it could work.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? And I know that everyone
Speaker 1: always gives every animated character to Chris Pratt or you know,
Speaker 1: but fan casting, I think it's pretty simple. Yeah, give
Speaker 1: this project to Glenn Powell and let's just move on.
Speaker 2: Now you're talking.
Speaker 1: Now I'm cooking.
Speaker 2: That's gonna that's this new thing. He's gonna be making
Speaker 2: requels to nineties movies that are probably better remembered than
Speaker 2: they actually were.
Speaker 1: And like, you can't give it to Hemsworth here, because
Speaker 1: like Dementis is almost a better version of what Happer
Speaker 1: is in this movie. Yeah yeah, but like someone along
Speaker 1: those lines of someone that's big and just looking to
Speaker 1: have some fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Yeah, I'll tell you Hemsworth's character in
Speaker 2: Furiosa you could have put right into this movie and
Speaker 2: what it worked.
Speaker 1: Okay, And then I'm also I'm not gonna fan cast everybody.
Speaker 1: Can you give me a lady that you would like as.
Speaker 2: The for Triple Horn to see nude?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Dua lipa? Okay, So there is our water World because.
Speaker 2: You claim she can't act. She's been in two six
Speaker 2: estful movies. But she doesn't really need to act in
Speaker 2: this role.
Speaker 1: She just exists. Okay, so we want Glenn Powell as
Speaker 1: the new Mariner. We want dua lipa.
Speaker 2: And has that tan skin, so you're like shower a keyster.
Speaker 2: That'll work.
Speaker 1: We want we want Chris Hamsworth to play Dementus in
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 2: Same character.
Speaker 1: And then we want the kid to be Cgi. No,
Speaker 1: don't even get any kid. Don't even get an up
Speaker 1: and coming kid. No, don't even get a real kay,
Speaker 1: just Cgi the kid. That's how you solve the acting problem.
Speaker 2: That's Glenn Pole, duly Chris Emsworth.
Speaker 1: That's success right there. No, but it's Chris Hamsworth as Dementius.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah. Do you have any more notes on
Speaker 1: this movie?
Speaker 2: No, I just have a little bit of a timeline.
Speaker 2: If you want to run through.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that at all. Actually good enough.
Speaker 2: I just love that. Uh to your point, the first
Speaker 2: ten minutes really sets it off, Like you have him
Speaker 2: pinging to create his own water. You have the li
Speaker 2: tree which gets stolen by the other guy who eventually
Speaker 2: gets gets smirked, and then you have an incredible line
Speaker 2: that I almost wish he broke the fourth wall. He goes,
Speaker 2: nothing's free in water world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, it's breakneck speed until it's not.
Speaker 2: Oh. Actually, so two things, two major gripes. I okay,
Speaker 2: all right, they never explained all these gas powered vehicles
Speaker 2: still operates thousands of years in the future. And the
Speaker 2: second thing, when Costner gets to that floating city, the
Speaker 2: guy gives him two hours. How can you tell any
Speaker 2: time in this world? What? How how would they tell
Speaker 2: when two hours is out?
Speaker 1: Sundial.
Speaker 2: I also liked the spam towards the end as smeet
Speaker 2: instead of spam Max.
Speaker 1: That could be anything, that could be a boat and Mac.
Speaker 1: We are but one week from the greatest time of
Speaker 1: the year, Pumpy season.
Speaker 2: Kud. In my mind, pumpy season has already begun. It's
Speaker 2: not out on the apps yet. I don't believe. I
Speaker 2: hadn't check the Starbucks app. It's not on the Dunks
Speaker 2: app yet. But most of these stores you can go
Speaker 2: to order it inside and get your your pumpy cold
Speaker 2: brew or whatever drink you want to drink. I have
Speaker 2: been purchasing cold brew pumpkin stuff in the store for
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks already.
Speaker 1: Right, you've been drinking Stoke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stoke, really really quality stuff, not too creamy or milky.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't like really any dairy in my coffee.
Speaker 2: I almost row dogg it. But I get a little
Speaker 2: of the pumpkin flavor, obviously, but I am well immersed
Speaker 2: already into pumpy season. I am looking forward to more
Speaker 2: pumpkin flavored things. I had a couple of pumpkin flavored
Speaker 2: muchkins the other day.
Speaker 1: As a as a coffee drinker, I drink a large
Speaker 1: cold brew. This is a dunks. If Duncans wants a
Speaker 1: spot for this podcast, I would love that. And then
Speaker 1: I do one cream, just to cut it a little bit.
Speaker 1: But if I look at it and it's any darker
Speaker 1: than this, I'm saying you take that back.
Speaker 2: Oh really that's too late for me.
Speaker 1: Well, this is also I apologize. I say one cream.
Speaker 1: This might be a little bit lighter because all of
Speaker 1: the ice has melted fair enough. So don't judge me, judy.
Speaker 2: I go cold brew black, so no dairy, no sugar,
Speaker 2: but I do get two pumps of whatever flavor I want.
Speaker 2: The normal thing for a large is four. Sometimes that's
Speaker 2: two sugary too much, so I cut it in a half.
Speaker 2: I go two, and that gives you just enough of
Speaker 2: the sugary flavor that you would like in your bev.
Speaker 1: You know how in I think you should leave when
Speaker 1: he drinks the gaspacho and it's room temperature and it
Speaker 1: burns his mouth. Yeah. Whenever I order a coffee and
Speaker 1: I say one cream, no sugar, and I take a
Speaker 1: sip and there's sugar in it, I have like a
Speaker 1: violent reaction of.
Speaker 2: You just go straight cold blue brew, no flavor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the surprise of the sugar just like throws
Speaker 1: me off.
Speaker 2: I have been championing the Duncan's cold brew for five
Speaker 2: years now. Yeah, they're regular ice coffee sucks. The cold
Speaker 2: brew is substantially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you actually got me onto the cold brew. I
Speaker 1: told you that I'd get a nice coffee and then
Speaker 1: you're like, what are you fucking stupid? And then you
Speaker 1: could explain to me how cold brew works and like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried it, and you were right. It costs a
Speaker 1: dollar more. You're right, but you are really expensive.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is just but it's like their regular ice
Speaker 2: coffee is so bitter and gross, whereas they're cold brew.
Speaker 2: You actually could drink it black if you.
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Speaker 1: beginning of next week we'll be doing a news dump. Also,
Speaker 1: I think both of us might be on dork for.
Speaker 2: Oh the start of the Top Little fiftieser is hashtag
Speaker 2: dork is going to debut the first half of their
Speaker 2: Top fifty Movies of All Time list. And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you that was a doozy to put up.
Speaker 1: Hated it. Give me a genre, give me a timeframe.
Speaker 2: What was your initial list before you cut it to fifty.
Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job of like I only
Speaker 1: got it to like sixty seven because I would say
Speaker 1: to myself, there's no way this is gonna crack. These
Speaker 1: fifty movies here already, so I'm not going to keep
Speaker 1: adding movies to the back end for no reason.
Speaker 2: Fair Enough, I ended up with like eighty seven movies,
Speaker 2: which then I cut to like fifty seven. And those
Speaker 2: last seven cuts were like painstaking And then only the
Speaker 2: hottest part though, was ordering them fifty to one or
Speaker 2: one fifty however you want to rank it. That took
Speaker 2: the longest amount of time. And I'm actually pretty happy
Speaker 2: with my list. I got most of the classics on
Speaker 2: there that I enjoy. I didn't put them too high though,
Speaker 2: you know, like, for example, Citizen Kane was on my list,
Speaker 2: but I think I had it like fortieth. You know,
Speaker 2: it's an influential movie that I really enjoy, but it's
Speaker 2: not my favorite movie of all time.
Speaker 1: I also hate the fact that I forgot a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say what the movie is right now,
Speaker 1: but I had to add it to my list and
Speaker 1: then push off Young Frankenstein.
Speaker 2: That was your fiftieth. Yeah, that was That was in
Speaker 2: my eighty seven. My fiftieth was the Graduate I had.
Speaker 1: I think it's still on my list. But I also
Speaker 1: love the Graduate too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great one, and some other classics I had on there.
Speaker 2: Doctor Strangelove, I think I had it like forty as well,
Speaker 2: a little just a Tad. I had a Citizen Kane
Speaker 2: I didn't have. I had Psycho on there. That might
Speaker 2: have been the last old movie that that I had.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a ton of old old movies, but
Speaker 2: I had a handful. Oh.
Speaker 1: Actually, since I had a down size the gutio and
Speaker 1: right now I'm just in a I'm in a green
Speaker 1: screen prison, I have to give you back the Doctor
Speaker 1: Strangelove poster that used to hang in the gudio. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, because you have so much space that you
Speaker 1: can put it in your area.
Speaker 2: It'll just sit on the floor in my living.
Speaker 1: Room because I also feel bad that. So in the
Speaker 1: old gudio we had two amazing framed posters, one of
Speaker 1: Star Wars one of Back to the Future, and I
Speaker 1: have nowhere to put those. Yeah, they're huge.
Speaker 2: So in my living room I have three or four
Speaker 2: up kind of making the television and it just takes
Speaker 2: up so much wall space. And I can do that
Speaker 2: because I don't have a wife trying to interior decorate.
Speaker 2: But I imagine if I had a significant other living with me,
Speaker 2: none of those posters would be.
Speaker 1: On the wall. Everything outside of the gudeo, I have
Speaker 1: no saying. Actually I have some say in my son's
Speaker 1: room because I'm like, okay, well what a little boy
Speaker 1: would like, and it's just true, that's what I would like. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: my son will walk into the gudio and just be
Speaker 1: like I want that, and I'm like, fuck, it's yours.
Speaker 1: Now hard to say, but what am I supposed to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: No, it's mine?
Speaker 2: Yeareing back and forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, no, it's my.
Speaker 2: Total you're both crying.
Speaker 1: The only thing that he's not allowed to touch in
Speaker 1: there is the lego groot because that thing is gonna break. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like anything you have to build and
Speaker 2: that you have displayed, he probably shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 2: play with all.
Speaker 1: Right, Tuesdays or goose days. I abuse kangaroos. And speaking
Speaker 1: of this next word, I'm about to say, we'll do
Speaker 1: beetlejuice next week Tim Burton.
Speaker 2: I please flip the cassette over to side B
Speaker 1: To connects jumping on trampolines