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The 35 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.359 beloved son of Holocaust survivors, forty nine year old George 36 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.319 Cogan grew up in Puerto Rico before making his way 37 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.079 to New York City, where he enjoyed great success as 38 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.479 and antiques and art dealer until one morning in nineteen 39 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.680 ninety when George was approached on the street by an 40 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:16.479 unidentified gunman and was killed in cold blood. Before the shooting, 41 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:20.159 George had been on his way to his girlfriend's apartment. 42 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.199 Mary Louise Hawkins was twenty eight years old and had 43 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:26.479 once worked as george publicist, but ever since they became 44 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:31.960 lovers George's estranged wife, Barbara, was consumed with bitterness as 45 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.360 she and George hashed out a divorce. Barbara fueled her 46 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:37.080 anger into greed, especially after a judge turned down her 47 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:41.039 request for five thousand dollars a week in alimony. Barbara, 48 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.919 who stood to collect four point three million in life insurance, 49 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.639 was immediately suspected in George's death, but it would take 50 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.879 authorities almost twenty years to uncover a link between her lawyer, 51 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.800 Manuel Martini Martinez, and the hitman who killed George. In 52 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.960 twenty ten, Martinez agreed to testify against his client, and 53 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.479 Barbara eventually plaged guilty the charges of grand larceny, conspiracy 54 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:05.759 to commit murder, and murder in the first degree. The 55 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:09.319 book that we were featured this evening is The Millionaire's Wife, 56 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.080 with my special guest, journalist and author Kathy Scott. Welcome 57 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:15.639 back to the program, and thank you to agreeing to 58 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.080 this interview. Kathy Scott, are you welcome. 59 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:20.960 I'm happy to be here. 60 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:26.520 Dan, thank you very much. Now tell us why. I mean, 61 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:29.879 it's probably an obvious answer because it's such a fascinating story, 62 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.560 but is there any other reason? And tell us the 63 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:35.199 real reason why you decided, of all the stories that 64 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:39.280 you could handle or write about, why did you decide 65 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.120 to write about this story? What fascinated you about this 66 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:44.960 story or compelled you, or what interested you in this 67 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.039 story particularly? Well. 68 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.960 I was asked to, actually I was asked to if 69 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.759 I was interested in doing it, and I barely knew 70 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:58.919 about the case. And then when I started reading about it, 71 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.439 and there's been a lot of media, you know, Number one, 72 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:04.800 it was you know, it was almost twenty years old, 73 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:09.039 and you know, it was a triangle typecase. But Barbara 74 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:12.560 Cogan was a very sympathetic character, you know, the one 75 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.639 who was ultimately convicted in her husband's death. And so 76 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.279 it it I mean, it had all the characteristics and 77 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:22.439 I like to you know, I like to write about 78 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:27.240 the underdog. Obviously her husband was the underdog. But it 79 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.439 didn't it didn't seem that probable to me when I 80 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:35.360 started digging into it, that that she did it. And 81 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.839 and you know, I did into it, and I was 82 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:41.120 able to, you know, get a lot of sources and 83 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.120 all the documents and read the trial, and it was 84 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.439 it was a good story, you know, as you you 85 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.560 pointed out, you know, when we were chatting earlier that 86 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.399 it's it almost is fiction, Like I mean, you can't 87 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:57.040 make this stuff up, you know what I mean? 88 00:04:57.639 --> 00:04:59.000 Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. 89 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:03.040 Yeah, no story, I mean, it's the sad story the 90 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.079 way George went down kind of and it was sad 91 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.240 because Barbara just kind of get past the divorce. It 92 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.160 was their divorce took two years and it ended, you know, 93 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.600 the proceedings and everything else ended when he died. 94 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:23.519 Sure, sure, now tell us let's go back for our audience, 95 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:28.279 because you paint the picture, of course of both characters 96 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.720 in this, well all the characters in this. But let's 97 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.959 start off with, say, George Cogan, who he was and 98 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.000 what type of person he was like, and what was 99 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.879 his background? Where where is he from? And give us 100 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:42.399 sort of a character of what he was. Was he 101 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:44.959 a good looking guy, musket you know, athletic? What was 102 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.319 this guy like? And paint a little bit of a 103 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:48.279 it wasn't. 104 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.680 He wasn't good, It wasn't. It was just kind of 105 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.079 average looking, kind of pudgy, a little overweight, you know. 106 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.600 So it was interesting that woman, you know, someone a 107 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:03.800 very pretty woman was interested in him. Actually, let me 108 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:10.319 turned this thing off. And his family was from Puerto Rico. 109 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.879 They originally came from Russia. They were they were Jewish 110 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:20.000 and his his father was young at the time, and 111 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:25.639 the family fled mixed area of Russia because the Jews 112 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.639 were all being being rounded up even even there, and 113 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.839 they ended up going to New York City and because 114 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:39.079 of I guess there was a you kind of there 115 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:43.879 were fifty family members. They were uh Coganovich, I believe, 116 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.399 I can't pronounce what the last name was, and they 117 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.120 changed it to Cogan, and it was it was George's 118 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.720 father who set out. They heard about Puerto Rico and 119 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:58.920 so he went to Puerto Rico and they he found 120 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:02.879 some farmland and they while while the family was still 121 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:06.240 in New York and they were some went, some went 122 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.360 to Cuba, most went to New York. Before they went 123 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.680 to Puerto Rico, they hooked up with a merchandiser and 124 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:22.199 they started shipping goods to New York to Puerto Rico 125 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:27.600 to a contact there, and it became it became Cogan 126 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:32.480 New York, New York department stores, and they ended up 127 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.439 with once they moved there, they ended up with the 128 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:38.480 chain of nine. So the family became quite quite wealthy. 129 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:43.279 And then George, who went to boarding school part at 130 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.319 the time in New York, as did his sister, and 131 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:49.439 then he eventually moved to New York to go to college, 132 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.120 and that's where he met That's where he met Barbara. 133 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:57.800 And they weren't Barbara was, you know. She grew up 134 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.720 in a in a nice area of New Jersey, but 135 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:09.199 not nothing spectacular, you know. But he they married rather quickly. 136 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:11.839 I don't think it was a mad passionate love affair. 137 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.800 It seemed more convenient than anything else. But George was charming. 138 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.360 People liked him and all his cousins. They had a 139 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.240 farm and every Sunday they'd gather the whole Kogan clan 140 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.480 and it grew quite big, and everybody worked. Everybody worked 141 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:32.519 in the department stores, and so George learned very young 142 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.120 how to be a businessman. And then he ended up 143 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:40.000 going buying real estate and having his own department store. 144 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:43.200 And Barbara's father was a jeweler and she used to 145 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.159 work at his store, and so they had that in common, 146 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:51.360 and they opened up stores. They became more about business 147 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:58.320 really than their relationship. So likable guy, charming, but not 148 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.519 a real looker. It was just an average guy, you 149 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:02.039 know what I mean. 150 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.320 And what did Barbara physically look like? 151 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:09.799 Oh, Barbara was pretty when she was young. She actually 152 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:16.120 won a singing contest and then I believe a beauty 153 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.759 contest as well, and was supposed to get a scholarship. 154 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.600 She sang and was supposed to get a record deal 155 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.919 as well when she was like seventeen, but it fell through. 156 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:28.039 But she. 157 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.559 Liked the arts, and she actually was in a theater 158 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:36.720 production off Broadway when she was in college, and it 159 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:41.360 was a family friend who introduced them, and she met 160 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:46.279 him backstage when George came backstage. And then she finished 161 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.720 college and George dropped out, but he remained in New York, 162 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.960 and as soon as she graduated, they eloped. They eloped 163 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:00.679 to Pennsylvania, I believe it was, and then then right 164 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.399 after that moved to New York and he opened up 165 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:08.480 his own businesses, but he still had income. Everybody had 166 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:15.480 income from the stores. It basically the stories made everybody wealthy. Family, 167 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:19.799 lots of cousins, and once I started writing, I blogged 168 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:21.600 about the case a little bit, and a lot of 169 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:24.840 the cousins came out of the woodwork. I got a 170 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:26.360 lot in the history of the family. 171 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:32.600 It was great, right. So their marriage they elope, So 172 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:36.840 that's maybe not the most promising start to a marriage. 173 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.720 But what was their early marriage characterized by? What was 174 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.200 it like? Was it tumultuous or was it what was 175 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:44.440 it like? Now? 176 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:48.120 They were both busy in business, and she got a 177 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.039 master's degree at some point, and they tried to have 178 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:57.320 a baby almost immediately and couldn't they And they lived 179 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:00.879 in a big high rise in San Juan, in the 180 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.480 Condado area, which was a kind of a pricey area. 181 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.399 And they lived in a high rise and their backyard 182 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:12.799 was basically the beach and backyard. I mean they were, 183 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.879 you know, in a penthouse suite. And they ended up 184 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.279 they adopted their first son, and as soon as they 185 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.120 adopted him, she got pregnant. So their sons were ten 186 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:29.320 months apart, Scott and William, and they were happy in 187 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.360 those early years, but it seemed to be the focus. 188 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:38.720 The focus for both of them became all about business. 189 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:42.399 He bought a casino at some point, a hotel casino, 190 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.200 a small one, and opened up the store for her, 191 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.320 so she was running her own store, and then he 192 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.840 was running the store. Just a lot of businesses, and 193 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:55.279 then they once the boys went to college. Then they 194 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.960 decided to liquidate. They liquidated a lot of things bought. 195 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.519 One of their boys was in New York going to school, 196 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:08.360 so they bought an apartment there in Manhattan and decided 197 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.679 to move there to be close to the boys and 198 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:13.799 open up their own store. They opened up a store 199 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:20.039 on Fifth Avenue and Gallery Antique, high end antiques, and 200 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.799 hired a PR company, and that PR company assigned one 201 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.840 of their employees to handle PR for them, and that 202 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.799 was Mary Louise Hawkins. And George got involved with her 203 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:33.919 pretty quickly. 204 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.679 Right, and she was young. 205 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.879 I think had twenty four at the time, and he 206 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:47.519 was He was killed two years after they met. So 207 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:52.440 as soon as Barbara found out about it, she notified 208 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:58.960 Mary Louisa's boss and they fired her. And George, well, 209 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.639 he started going he was going out of town a 210 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.639 lot on buying trips to Europe and that sort of 211 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.120 thing they would do, buying trips, and he started taking 212 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:13.159 Mary Louise, and she never suspected, you know. In fact, 213 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:18.720 she told Mary Louise at one point that George thought 214 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.519 she was pretty. She passed that on. That's how much 215 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:25.679 she didn't see anything. And it turned to something more 216 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.519 and as soon as Barbara found out, he moved. He 217 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:34.360 moved out on to sixty ninth Street where Mary Louise 218 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:39.639 was living on the upper east side of Manattan and 219 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.639 he was murdered later, murdered in front of that apartment. 220 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:45.639 Well, take us to that actual crime. 221 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:49.399 She's a raw deal, you know, she felt, she felt scorned, 222 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.200 as she should have, and it was kind of a 223 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:54.960 raw deal. But she absolutely wouldn't settle on the divorce, 224 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:59.279 and he won it. He wasn't. Nothing was liquid. Nothing 225 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:04.480 was liquid, So that was money became the major major 226 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:08.399 issue with them. It was a very nasty divorce, and 227 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:10.000 neither one of them would ban. 228 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.840 What was the How much of an effect was the 229 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:17.759 denial in court of the five thousand dollars per month 230 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:23.120 alimony prior to that, Well. 231 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:25.559 She got it was huge because she was living off 232 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:29.000 of credit cards and so was he. And then and 233 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.759 then the they both started selling off property and they 234 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:37.440 had an apartment still and businesses and they still had 235 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:42.159 a store in one store left in New York, I'm sorry, 236 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:46.639 in Puerto Rico. So they started selling off stuff and 237 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.159 you know, large pieces and jewelry and that sort of thing. 238 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:55.240 She felt he was hiding jewelry. They both didn't trust 239 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.240 each other, and they were selling stuff off and the 240 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.879 court froze everything and it put him mine fixed to 241 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:06.240 where Mary Louise was supporting him, and her father paid 242 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:10.440 her mortgage and for the apartment, so she didn't have 243 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:14.799 any rent or anything. But she was convinced that George 244 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:19.080 was paying paying Mary Louise rent, and it just was nasty. 245 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.159 They didn't trust each other. She started to hire a 246 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.000 PI you know, private eye, and then she hired an 247 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:30.000 attorney to help her find an attorney in Puerto Rico 248 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:34.759 to search for secret bank accounts she felt he had. 249 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.919 He did it. He just you know, everything was liquid 250 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.360 and he wasn't worth as much as everybody thought. They 251 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.919 had a four point they had two life insurance policies 252 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.720 that were four point three million dollars that they'd had 253 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:55.120 for years on George's life. I'm you know, I'm not 254 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:59.799 convinced she was guilty, not one hundred percent convinced, but 255 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.960 you know, that's another story. But it was very you know, 256 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.080 an acrimonious I mean sour sour divorce. 257 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.679 Right right, And then then then this event, now go 258 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:16.600 back to for our audience, what exactly happened that day 259 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:21.039 and under what circumstances for George Coogan. He was at 260 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.960 a market, he had some groceries. He was coming he 261 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:27.919 was going to the apartment to see Mary Louise tell 262 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:28.600 Us and. 263 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.000 Then he had an appointment with They had an appointment 264 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:39.240 with Barbara that afternoon and he went. It was it 265 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.360 was sprinkling. It was ten o'clock in the morning. The doorman, 266 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.799 who was also from Puerto Rico, and he walked me 267 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:53.120 through the whole crime scene. He went up half a block, 268 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.240 you know the streets in on the upper east side 269 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.960 or long blocks, but it was half a block up 270 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.960 and over to mid block store. He had two bags 271 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.119 worth the groceries and had it home. And he was 272 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:10.559 in a sweatsuit, you know, a top end bottom and 273 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:18.160 right is he about twenty feet from the entrance and 274 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:20.279 the canopy to the building. You know, it was a 275 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:25.839 dormant building. He a gunman just came out of nowhere. 276 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.680 And the guy had a hoodie on and a bright 277 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.880 green cap and out of nowhere and with the snubnosed 278 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:40.200 revolver hollow point fired three shots into his back and 279 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:44.359 he just flew forward. Money flew everywhere, which I still 280 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:48.519 find that odd. But money flew everywhere because I don't know, 281 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.400 I don't know that money comes out of your pocket, 282 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.960 you know, when you're That's always seemed odd to me, 283 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.799 and there's really no explanation for it. A couple of 284 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:03.000 witnesses who there's only one who saw it from beginning 285 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.200 to end, and she disappeared. She was a maid who 286 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:10.519 was terrified and the person she worked for died, you know, 287 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.759 not long after, and she disappeared to Mexico. So other 288 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.480 people there was one woman who saw it, but she ducked, 289 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.880 you know, he looked at her, she ducked, and then 290 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:27.440 so I don't know. I con I'm not real one 291 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:29.960 hundred percent settled on that that money was. I mean, 292 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:35.279 how does money, bills, bills fly, how do they fly 293 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:39.039 out of your pocket? He was wearing sweats. I still 294 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:43.119 am not his wallet wasn't found on the ground or anything. 295 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.480 But that's always been odd to me. So then everything 296 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:50.799 became havoc and the dorman came out and ran out 297 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.400 as soon as they saw him in you know, a 298 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.599 mirror under the canopy, and the maid started pounding on 299 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.400 the door of the of the building. Then the dorman 300 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.640 ran out and talked to him and didn't at first 301 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.319 realize he was flat face down because he was he 302 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.359 was thrown forward by the impact. And then the gunman 303 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:17.839 just literally literally vanished into street traffic on foot, never 304 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:24.559 to be seen again. No, no, the gunman was never caught. 305 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:28.960 Yet they convicted her and then she the attorney she hired. 306 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.880 They were convinced that he hired a gunman to kill 307 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:38.079 George for the for the policy money. But the gunman 308 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.200 they named somebody and I'm not going to say his 309 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.920 name out loud, it's in the book, but he's in 310 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.759 jail right now for something else, and we'll be out 311 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.920 in a few years. But they never brought him in. 312 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:54.279 It's a weird case because they named him in court 313 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:58.799 when the lawyer had the lawyer who hired a Puerto 314 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:02.319 Rican attorney for her and there, you know, and they 315 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:05.960 said that he got her to agree to hire a 316 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:09.720 gunman to kill George. 317 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:11.160 You know. 318 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.119 Ironically, on the day that they were going to settle, 319 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:17.519 he'd written it all out, you know, George Town, and 320 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:21.200 they were going to settle that day. So it's so weird, 321 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.920 out of the blue it happens. Yet there's no gunman, 322 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:27.359 but two people are in prison for for conspiring to 323 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.599 kill George. But you don't. You don't have the gunman. 324 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:36.000 And I've always wondered why the DA didn't presume, And 325 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.440 I think he didn't presume because he didn't have a case. 326 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:41.640 Well, of course they didn't have a case. They didn't 327 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.200 have They have only a circumstantial here. But well we'll 328 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.279 get into what I think really cooked their their goose, 329 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:53.839 and that comes that stems from Martinez obviously. 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Who doesn't 361 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:20.160 rush to the hospital that people might think, well, Barbara. 362 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.400 Barbara and his wife. Well, the interesting thing is the dorman. 363 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:30.119 Then George told him, well, the dorman, Moses Crespo, is 364 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.759 the last person to have spoken to him before he 365 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.720 went into unconsciousness. And like you say, he lived for 366 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:39.559 seven hours, but he was you know, in several surgeries 367 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.079 and in a comment at that point, he never woke 368 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:48.720 up again. And and Moses ran to he said get 369 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.039 Mary Louise for me. So he ran to the The 370 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.880 apartment was on the first floor at the back, so 371 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.400 he ran to the door and Mary Louise. He didn't 372 00:22:57.400 --> 00:22:59.400 tell her what was wrong, just George wants to talk 373 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.480 to you. And she came outside, saw his body, saw 374 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.799 him lying there, did not go over to him. Mary 375 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.319 Louise did not go over to him. She stood there 376 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.480 screaming and she said his wife did it. It was 377 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:17.720 his wife, and that became the focus, and that is 378 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.880 the only direction the police went in. They didn't look 379 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:24.359 for anything else. One of the sons said to police, 380 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:27.559 and it came out in the newspapers immediately that I'm 381 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.680 not surprised. My dad had some bad business deals, so 382 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.640 I'm not surprised he got killed. Then he recanted that 383 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.759 a couple of years later, but that was the son's 384 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.720 initial response. Apparently, George Cogan owed a lot of people 385 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.240 a lot of money, and but that angle of it 386 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:55.519 was never pursued. Just Barbara. So Barbara, Barbara was called 387 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:58.759 by her youngest son. The one lived in Puerto Rico, 388 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:02.200 and he hit a p and then George's sister came 389 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:05.279 with him and the other boy lived there and He 390 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.279 kept calling his mother, expecting her to go to the hospital, 391 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:13.160 and she did it, and police and the DIA's office 392 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.519 said that she had a hairdresser come to her house. 393 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.599 She was a friend who happened to be a hairdresser 394 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:22.839 and combed down her hair in case she decided to go. 395 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:29.599 Barbara was used to a very very high lifestyle, so 396 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.039 it wasn't unusual for her to have somebody come and 397 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.759 comb out her hair, you know, for us, for me, 398 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:38.039 that would be you know, that's not something I do 399 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:42.119 in my life, and so it looks odd to some people, 400 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.920 but you know, I didn't find it that odd. But 401 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.599