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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is KFI Handle here on a Tuesday morning,

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<v Speaker 2>September seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>As we continue on with the show, we're covering a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Here are still a lot of fallout from the assassination

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<v Speaker 2>attempt of former President Trump which happened on Sunday, and

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<v Speaker 2>as there should be a lot of fallout, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think the Secret Service this time around is going to

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<v Speaker 2>get some kudos.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I want to congratulate Will Coleschreiver.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Will's listening, but referencing to a

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<v Speaker 2>car accident as a carbeque very strong, I must tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, all right, Now let's get into some politics, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so contentious.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's another one where our former president and some

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<v Speaker 2>members or some unions are really getting into a pissing match.

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<v Speaker 2>So the president of the California Professional Firefighters Union said

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<v Speaker 2>that former President Trump should quote be ashamed of his

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<v Speaker 2>threat to withhold federal firefighting aid to the state if

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<v Speaker 2>he were elected. Now, this is not a huge union,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's thirty five thousand firefighters. The California Professional Firefighters

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<v Speaker 2>Union and Brian Rice, president said, it is shocking that

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<v Speaker 2>we have a presidential candidate who's threatening our public safety.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Is about, and this is the president having a former

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<v Speaker 2>president having a huge fight with Governor Newsom. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's inevitable and matter of fact, he calls Newsomb newscom.

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<v Speaker 2>No surprise there, but he the former president has disagreed

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<v Speaker 2>with virtually every single water issue that California has. We

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<v Speaker 2>have some big problems here in California. I mean we've

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<v Speaker 2>got land management problems, policies, water bottman issues, protection for

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<v Speaker 2>the endangered Delta smelt, which the former president said is

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<v Speaker 2>not making it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I happen to agree with him whether

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<v Speaker 1>it makes it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tiny little fish, and I don't care about

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<v Speaker 2>tiny little fish.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, go eat an anchovy instead of the smelt.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about real issues. So Trump is dead right

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<v Speaker 2>on this one. But he went on to say with

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<v Speaker 2>this group, everything is dead. And he's talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party here in California. The automobile industry is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>The automobile industry is dead. The water coming here is dead,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said newscum is going to sign those papers.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what papers he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And if he doesn't sign those papers, I'm assuming following

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<v Speaker 2>former President Trump's philosophy on how water should be used

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<v Speaker 2>in California. If he doesn't sign those papers, we won't

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<v Speaker 2>give him money to put out all of his fires.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we don't give him all the money to

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<v Speaker 2>put out his fires, he's got problems. He's allows he

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<v Speaker 2>governor wet papers. We don't know at this point. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course new some rights back. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pissing match. Today it's California's wildfires. Tomorrow could be

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<v Speaker 2>hurricane funding for North Carolina or flooding assistant for Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Ori ice.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where Trump has I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 2>love these statements. Remember in twenty eighteen he went to

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<v Speaker 2>Paradise and he said, we've got to take care of

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<v Speaker 2>the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. And

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<v Speaker 2>you reference Finland saying the country focuses on raking and cleaning,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have any problems, and which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a point on that one, because forest management,

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<v Speaker 2>floor management of the floor, the forest is one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that has not been done very well. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the raking and cleaning. And then he compared, this was

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday, California's forest to the Austrian forests, where the

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<v Speaker 2>trees do not catch fire because of good forest management.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, the forests are so brittle because there's no

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<v Speaker 2>is like California.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to Austria.

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<v Speaker 2>The head of Austria tells me we have trees that

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<v Speaker 2>are much more flammable than we have in California, and

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<v Speaker 2>we never have forest fires. And Trump says it's because

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<v Speaker 2>they maintain their forests, and Austrian officials had previously said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have more explosive trees. Trees are basically as

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<v Speaker 2>explosive any place in the.

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<v Speaker 1>World that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just love that stuff. And the issue

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<v Speaker 2>with wildfire is a huge problem here. As you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The last I think, the fires are still going on.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got three major fires in southern California already have

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<v Speaker 2>burnt more than one hundred thousand acres. And without federal money,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's difficult. I mean, fire fighters across the country

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<v Speaker 2>rely on federal money. And the former president said, unless

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<v Speaker 2>you do what I want, you to do with California

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<v Speaker 2>Police on water management. I am if I become when

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<v Speaker 2>I become president, I'm going to stop the funding. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's what do you do? Sometimes I just don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't understand how this works. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the example I give you where sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't understand the way people think. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>call and handle on the law a few years ago

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<v Speaker 2>and there was something about the gun control issue. Someone

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<v Speaker 2>he said, no.

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<v Speaker 1>One's ever going to take away my guns. I will

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<v Speaker 1>fight them to the death.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, okay, so let's let's let me give you your

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<v Speaker 2>benefit of the doubt. Here where the law is passed,

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<v Speaker 2>hanging away your guns, and the National Guard shows up

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<v Speaker 2>and there they have their armored personnel carriers, they have

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<v Speaker 2>their artillery, and they're telling you either give up your

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<v Speaker 2>guns or we're going to destroy the house. And he

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<v Speaker 2>said I would fight them to the death. I would

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<v Speaker 2>take my weapon and fight them until I die. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I said, let me give you an example. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me give you a scenario. Assumeing what you say

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<v Speaker 2>is right, that they show up and now you take

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<v Speaker 2>your weapon and you start fighting them, and they start

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<v Speaker 2>firing back because they've got a platoon in front of you,

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<v Speaker 2>and your kids get caught in the crossfire and you

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<v Speaker 2>lose your kids. You have kids, Yeah, I've got three

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<v Speaker 2>of them or whatever ages. And I said, and you

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<v Speaker 2>lose your kids?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that worth it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to quote now they would understand how

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<v Speaker 2>important the Second Amendment is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, you're five year old. Yes, my five

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<v Speaker 1>year old.

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<v Speaker 2>Would understand that the Second Amendment is more important than

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<v Speaker 2>even living. It's I'm just giving an example of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on today across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is so crazy, pure silliness. As an individual,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that this isn't silly. Just described what's the

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary war?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but that individuals going up against the government

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<v Speaker 2>so are our existence as a country would not have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not yet, well took up arms against the government,

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<v Speaker 1>except I don't know how many people would say my

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<v Speaker 1>one individual doing it? I understand, But I know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Those people are crazy. That's true because overthrowing the government.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is not the King George the third or

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<v Speaker 2>King George the fifth. But all I'm saying is that

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thinking is happening today more than it

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, is there any.

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<v Speaker 2>Revolutionary missive that you have read where it says I'm

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<v Speaker 2>willing to have my kids die in order to gain freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I just want to make a point of how

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<v Speaker 2>crazy it's all crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, you know, it's that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thinking I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked many times about AI and the good, the bad,

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<v Speaker 2>the ugly. Mainly we don't understand what it is, even

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<v Speaker 2>what it possibly can do.

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<v Speaker 1>We're on the little, tiny tippy edge of what this

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<v Speaker 2>I do a lot of talking about how negative it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me give you a positive story. Google has

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<v Speaker 2>just announced they're going to spend thirteen million dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>improve satellite imaging to help track and detect wildfires. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we start with thirteen million dollars from Google. That's less

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<v Speaker 2>money than the change they find between the cushions in

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<v Speaker 2>their waiting rooms when you go to the lobby at

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<v Speaker 2>that organization. But what this is about is fire SAT

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<v Speaker 2>is what it's called, a group of fifty satellites that

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<v Speaker 2>will be able to detect wildfires as small as the

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<v Speaker 2>size of a bedroom sixteen by sixteen or of classroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and this launches early next year. Right now, satellite imagery

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<v Speaker 2>detects wildfires when they hit about the size.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a football field.

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<v Speaker 2>This one is the size of a classroom. And as

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<v Speaker 2>you probably know by now, the new firefighting philosophy is,

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<v Speaker 2>you get fires out as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>You send those air tankers.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is a campfire that looks like it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to start a wildfire, you grab it at the campfire

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<v Speaker 2>level with air or ground forces. And so this initiative

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<v Speaker 2>is being led by something called the Earth Fire Alliance,

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<v Speaker 2>a nonprofit that created this fire SAT and is to

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<v Speaker 2>develop wildfire databases funding from Google among others. And right now,

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<v Speaker 2>satellite image confuses clouds mostacks for fires. Well, what Google

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<v Speaker 2>is saying and what fire stata is saying is using

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<v Speaker 2>machine learning.

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<v Speaker 1>Google built a camera.

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<v Speaker 2>That optimized this technology for fire detections and will provide

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<v Speaker 2>updated satellite imagery every twenty minutes to firefighters, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>happen now, So to give them as early infras solid

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<v Speaker 2>information as possible, because that is now the magic bullet

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<v Speaker 2>that is the way the.

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<v Speaker 1>Most successful way to fight firefighters.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, firestat will create a database to create a global

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<v Speaker 2>historical record of fire spreads, so you just better understanding

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<v Speaker 2>better models. Now, California have already started using AI to

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<v Speaker 2>better track wildfires with the California Department of Forestry and

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<v Speaker 2>Fire Protection did partners with UC San Diego and developed

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<v Speaker 2>a new AI pilot project. We've talked about this that

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<v Speaker 2>has over a thousand of these high definition cameras that

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<v Speaker 2>are on top of towers and mountain peaks throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>state and they're saying we need a lot more thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of those.

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<v Speaker 1>But what that does.

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<v Speaker 2>Those cameras keep an eye out for smoke and other

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<v Speaker 2>anomalies that's already in place, but they're not specific enough.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't go to the minutia this program does. It

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<v Speaker 2>just delves deeper into the technology and the research. Mechanical

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<v Speaker 2>engineer with US Forest Service who was interviewed for this article,

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Forhofer, said, we'll be able to teach firefighters what

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<v Speaker 2>drying US does to a fire. You sort of already

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<v Speaker 2>know it, don't you, But this takes it on a

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<v Speaker 2>whole different level. Or what wind does or changes in

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<v Speaker 2>fuel types, because we have seen so many firefighters die

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<v Speaker 2>on fires when they don't anticipate what the fire is

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<v Speaker 2>going to do. And we talked to Chuck Lovers, who

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<v Speaker 2>is my friend who worked with La County Fire for

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years, and the guy is like a real expert

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<v Speaker 2>in you're being designed equipment. I mean, he was just

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<v Speaker 2>of them died in the fire. And we talked to Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>and Chuck said they just didn't understand enough.

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<v Speaker 1>About what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, take that kind of thinking, and that was pretty blatant,

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<v Speaker 2>Take that kind of thinking and bring it to levels

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<v Speaker 2>of understanding that are of magnitude and the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me, we don't have fire seasons now because of

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the good news.

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<v Speaker 2>Where AI is going to be used in a positive sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So coming up, I'm going to do the next four

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<v Speaker 2>segments on how Ai is going to give you diseases

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<v Speaker 1>What can I tell you?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Okay, TikTok. Let me spend a minute talking about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Federal judges are now dealing with TikTok. There's a panel

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<v Speaker 2>federal judges. We're grilling both TikTok and the Justice Department.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what.

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<v Speaker 2>As we know, Congress passed the law, bipartisan bill that

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<v Speaker 2>said TikTok has to either sell itself in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States or.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just going to be banned outright.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course they're suing and arguing this is a

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<v Speaker 2>First Amendment issue. And the whole premise is TikTok is

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<v Speaker 2>owned by byte Edance, which is a Chinese company, and

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<v Speaker 2>the argument is that TikTok and all of these major

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<v Speaker 2>tech companies have enormous amount of data about businesses, about

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<v Speaker 2>individuals here in this country. And the fear is that

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<v Speaker 2>the Chinese government, either the military, the Chinese Ese Party,

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<v Speaker 2>the Communist Party, or the government itself, which is one

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<v Speaker 2>and the same, are going to be able to get

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<v Speaker 2>this information on Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>So TikTok is out now. When you go when the

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<v Speaker 1>government is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going against the other big companies, that's antitrust and they're

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<v Speaker 2>American companies, so this argument doesn't fly. Wow, TikTok is

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<v Speaker 2>screaming and saying it's First Amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have the right to do this to us.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the fact that a Chinese own company is

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<v Speaker 2>arguing First Amendment in this country. I mean, the irony

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<v Speaker 2>is just spectacular here. It is breathtaking the hypocrisy here.

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<v Speaker 2>And the court said, this is three judge panel said,

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<v Speaker 2>we've never seen this before.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never seen this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now First Amendment arguments with American based company. Of course

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to hear that that's legitimate, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>always a real issue. And how far and how much

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<v Speaker 2>restriction can major platforms have is going to be dealt

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<v Speaker 1>With a foreign.

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<v Speaker 2>Company, that is a different thing. And there are three

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<v Speaker 2>judges and by the way, the argument and people that

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<v Speaker 2>are looking at this, the judges were going after both

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<v Speaker 2>the government and TikTok. They were asking questions and usually

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<v Speaker 2>based on the questions, this happens to the Supreme Court cases

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. What the court watchers look at is

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<v Speaker 2>are the questions that are being tossed at the attorneys,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of those questions don't stop. Scalia, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>was brutal in questioning both plaintiffs and defendants or respondents

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<v Speaker 2>and those that are have filed motions. I mean, before

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<v Speaker 2>the attorneys could literally open their mouths, he was throwing

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<v Speaker 2>questions at them, and you know which way he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Clarence Thomas never asked attorneys anything. He just sets back

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<v Speaker 2>and listens. He is a listener. Of course we know

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<v Speaker 2>where he's going because of his political views. But there

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<v Speaker 2>are a couple of ways of doing it, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the argument or the questioning determines which way

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, it's either way.

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<v Speaker 2>Because both the government and TikTok were just nailed or

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<v Speaker 2>even being asked about their positions.

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<v Speaker 1>There were three separate lawsuits that were consolidated.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a big, big case and it will go

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<v Speaker 1>There was a case. I mean, this is how far

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just hypothetical questions that were thrown out. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>a hypothetical what if they do that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Alana Kagan just did that with a couple of cases.

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<v Speaker 2>The court references previous cases. There was one Lamont versus

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<v Speaker 2>Postmaster General. The Supreme Court upheld Americans' rights to receive

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<v Speaker 2>may from abroad, even when the government considered a communist

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<v Speaker 2>propaganda First Amendment mail from abroad, so receiving the information

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<v Speaker 2>was a First Amendment right. However, in TikTok's case, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is why it's the case, the first impression the

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<v Speaker 2>court this is a brand new area of law, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is how far and how protected are these major platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>And the argument here is First Amendment rights. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a tough one. The other thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>Congress doesn't legislate all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the judges said, this time they did. They

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<v Speaker 1>passed this law.

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<v Speaker 2>And what TikTok is saying, this was basically a regulatory law.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Court said, no, no, no, no, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>regulation here. It's not a regulatory agency. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Communications Commission, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Not FAA, this is not the EPA.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a law that was passed by Congress, which

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<v Speaker 2>puts it into another category complicated stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Which way are they gonna go? Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>When you see panda express advertising on TikTok more than

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<v Speaker 2>any other company out there. You're gonna say, Okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the Chinese have a little bit more influence than

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<v Speaker 2>they should. All right, now, Measure A is coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>and what is Measure A. Measure A is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the ballot, and what it is. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>programs that are proven to prevent homelessness and increase housing affordability.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Neat, sort of leaves out the fact that it's a tax.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not in the flyer you're going to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what happened. It is a tax. It replaces a

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<v Speaker 2>tax and puts a new tax in. But the tax

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<v Speaker 2>that replaces was going to sunset next year. And what

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the bottom line about propositions. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>point something out is that you look at who's backing

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<v Speaker 2>see the who's backing it up? It used to be

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<v Speaker 2>or the measure says citizens against taxation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what measure let's say thirteen is.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you look at these various organizations that are

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, maybe there's something wrong here.

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<v Speaker 2>Measure A it's about homelessness, and they don't mention it's

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, look at.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody who's backing it up, all these organizations that are

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<v Speaker 2>how do you pay for all this?

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<v Speaker 2>Now do you know that you need two thirds majority

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<v Speaker 2>of the vote if the government puts a ballot measure

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<v Speaker 2>on a simple majority. When it is put on by

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<v Speaker 2>read who is backing it up and always always assume,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think correctly, when they say we are against

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<v Speaker 2>in the measure, they are in favor. And whenever you

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<v Speaker 2>read we are in favor, in reality the proposal is against.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because we are suckers and the law allows you

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. Now, in reality, when you get your ballot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when they give you the information about what

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<v Speaker 2>measures do and what they don't do, they're there honest.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have to read those ballot measures. Who does that?

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<v Speaker 2>You get that booklet and it explains both pro and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the the Analyst's office, and they're bipartisan

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh uh.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as you look at Measure A, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>another tax, another quarter tax. Now, it's no big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only a few cents here, it's only a dollar there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Care which side of how you vote. All I care

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<v Speaker 2>is about is that you do vote. I just don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do care about you knowing what you're voting for.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is critical. That's your franchise. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>America is all about. All Right, I'm gonna get off

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