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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast.

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I'm Amber Lewis often referred to as the voice of

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reason on the Docking Base seventy seven and a film

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by podcast. This week, Dan Jason will be discussing one

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of the greatest albums of all time, an album written

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by and for people who are going through every relationship

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issue imaginable, all while doing lots and lots of drugs.

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Fleetwood Max Rumors is the relationship each chang It is

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the answer to any relationship question. Have you just fallen

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in love with someone? Listen to You Make Love and Fun?

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Where are you cheated on? Listen to the chain? Did

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you just break up with someone? Listen to Go your

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Own Way? In this versus episode, the guys are daring

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to put this album up against the Eagles Hotel California.

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Let's hear what they've got.

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Speaker 2: All again? You say you want to free will Wink.

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It's Solli right.

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Speaker 3: Church Day Way.

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Speaker 2: You live on Give Lead to the South of Lost Homy.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: So that was not Fleetwood Max version of Dreams.

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Speaker 3: Third it was not. That was a little band named

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after a theory of Einstein called space Time di mention.

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Since that's a little long, we just call ourselves that's

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t D. Catch it right, Yeah, yeah, that is. That

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is our band with got a pierro Zach on bass,

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John Ross on guitar, me on lead, and our lovely

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singer Ashton to doing her best Stevie Nicks, which I

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think sounds pretty.

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Speaker 4: Dang good, fantastic. Yeah, the hottest new band out of Norman, Oklahoma.

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Check them out. Go your local bullying all you were.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you can you can catch an st D at

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any bar or grill.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: You get well.

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Speaker 4: Today we are here to talk about one of the

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greatest albums of all time. Yes, this album is Fleetwood

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Max Rumors album.

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Speaker 3: When you came to me and you're like, Okay, we

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need to do Hotel California, and I was like, there's

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not going to be anything worthy to be a competitor

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for Hotel California. And then I listened to Rumors and

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I'm like, well, crap, I was wrong about that.

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Speaker 4: Holy cow, it's three of the greatest songwriters of the

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seventies at their magical peak, pumping out awesome hits.

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Speaker 3: And guys, we're going to have stories about love affairs

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Love Triangles, Hippie Cults, Children of God, and that's before

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Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie next to even joined the band.

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That's right, That's right, yeah, I mean this band, I

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think they've I think they've had like sixteen different personnel

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members over the course of time, and the only constants

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are Mick Fleetwood and John mcvee, who haven't really written

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any of the songs.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, right, those guys are lucky to have recruited

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some of the greatest songwriters of all time.

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Speaker 3: Lucky like Midas Touched, Lucky like I told you. I

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think that Mick Fleetwood is probably the best recruiter in

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music history. And John McVie, I mean, I've done a

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lot of research. I haven't heard him say more than

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five words. I agree with you, like he he's just

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there and he's just playing a simple little bass part,

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and he's made millions and millions of dollars by being

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just that guy plugging along at the base. I mean,

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one of these songs on this album is written to him,

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and it was probably twenty or thirty years after it

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came out when somebody was like, you know, that song's

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about you. John He's like, is it that song about me? Okay, yeah,

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I'll to that one in a minute. But my goodness,

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this is an incredible album. Album of the Year for

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nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 4: Won the Grammy for Album of the Year nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 3: Ye. Actually, And if you're a big Fleetwood Mac fan,

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then you probably know that they have a significant history

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before Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks joins the band. But

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if you didn't know that, if you think this band

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started in the mid seventies, We've got some pretty impressive

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news for you, some pretty impressive stories. You know, the

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song black Magic Woman by Santana originally a Fleetwood Max song.

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I didn't know that, and I started doing this research,

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I'm like, holy cow, and it sounds very sim Carlos

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Santana definitely did something to it. But wow.

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Speaker 4: This was the eleventh studio album. This is the second

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one with Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks.

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 4: This album sold forty million copies, had four singles in

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the top ten, but really, ten out of eleven songs

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were major hits on radio. This was everywhere in the

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late seventies.

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Speaker 3: You literally had not one, not two, but three breakups

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going on in this band, and there were only five

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of them, Like I'm pretty sure to have I'm pretty

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sure to have that many breakups, you have to have

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at least six people.

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Speaker 4: And these weren't easy breakups either. These were hard feelings,

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like you f you can't look at you, But we've

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got to go write this song together.

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Speaker 3: And not only that, but I'm writing the song about

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my feelings about our breakup, and I'm giving it to

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you to play the guitar too, And then you're writing

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a song in response to my song. I mean, it's

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just it's incredible. I was thinking about this.

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Speaker 4: If we did an episode called dfing Sucks and you

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had to stand there and like echo my sentiments about that.

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Speaker 3: I had to sing the chorus d effing sucks.

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Speaker 4: And not only that, it was like our best downloader

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of all time. And then the next week you're like,

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Jason effing sucks and we yeah, I mean that's the

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way it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they hated each other and loved each other.

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There's this is definitely like you can tell the hurt

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feelings in this. I mean, if you just have it,

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I don't care about you attitude. That's true. That's a

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different kind of feeling. This was I want to date

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other people, but I don't want you to date other people.

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And I'm mad at you even though I broke up

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with you. I mean, it's just crazy. Yeah, it is crazy.

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So I would say, enough talking about what we're going

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to talk about. Let's dive in, let's get going, let's

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jump into this album. But before we do, I want

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you to tell me, tell me the stuff that you

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always tell me, because you always stopped me, and you know,

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before we do that, I want to do this. And

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I saw you in a heale, you see, but I

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want to say one more then I'll say it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, before you give us the incredible back history on this,

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I think we do need to shout out our new

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, we actually have too. Yeah too. We've got

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Dave Dolphin. Thank you, Dave. Dave who guest hosted with

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us when we covered Ferris Bueller's Day Off versus Adventures

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Thanks Dave, appreciate you executive producer for this episode. And

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we also have Darius Elliott.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Terarius.

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Speaker 3: Sarious. Thank you so much for joining the tribe. Man

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Speaker 4: All Right, before we drove into the songs, I just

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want to drop this little nugget for you. This album

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was ranked by Rolling Stone as the number seven greatest

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album of all time.

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Speaker 3: Wow. First song on the album it is an F

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you we just broke up. Set of lyrics. This one

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is called secondhand news. Okay. I'd like to sum up

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this song with I know you hate me and I

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hate you too, but it's okay sometimes.

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Speaker 4: So This was written by Lindsay Buckingham, indeed, who had

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joined the band in nineteen seventy five. I love how

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this this song was inspired by the jive Talking Beg song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This song started off as an acoustic song on

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the guitar for him, and then he heard jive talking

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and decided he wanted to give it kind of that beat,

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but he wanted something a little more Celtic or Celtic

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depending on where you're from, on how you pronounced that

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from Boston and the Celtics, I think yeah. And so

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he used a like a fake leather chair seat to

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pound out that you're hearing a rhythm section of somebody

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pounding where there have been farts rendered.

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Speaker 4: I also heard that like John McVie recorded his bassline

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in this song, and then while he was out of town,

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Lindsay's like, I don't really like about it here, Hey,

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I'm going to do this for you. Lindsay was very

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overbearing and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Stevie Nicks, you know, we're talking about this

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kind of craziness of all of these heartbreaking songs and

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romance breaking up and all of this other stuff. Stevie

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Nicks described this album and the tour and everything else

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that followed. It is like being hostages in Iran and

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Lindsey Buckingham was the item that's saying something right there, man,

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rulers make bad lovers. Yeah, this is a fun song.

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I mean it has got an infectious rhythm to it.

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listening to it from beginning to the end, I immediately

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was like, oh, I haven't heard this in a long time,

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and dang, it's good. Such a great song.

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Speaker 4: When Lindsay Buckingham wrote this song and they were recording

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in the studio in Sosolito, he withheld the lyrics as

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long as he could because he knew it would piss

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her off and he didn't want to deal with the

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craft that would along with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so and the lay me down in the

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tall grass. So I think we all have the right

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idea about what he's talking about there, sure, but I

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love the finishing bit and this is I think kind

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of a send a signature Lindsay buck Him thing. I

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think he does a similar thing in like Holiday Road.

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Nothing bad to say about the song. It is definitely

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did this song get released as a single. It is

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not a single. How many singles are there on this

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album four four.

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Speaker 4: Out of eleven, but it got significant radio play.

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Speaker 3: Now another thing that I'm gonna tease up. I forgot

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to tease this up in the beginning, but we're going

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to talk about a song on this album that is

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currently in their top ten downloaded songs on Spotify, that

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didn't make the album, didn't make the album, and didn't

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even really hit the public's ears in a big way

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until almost twenty years later.

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Speaker 5: Hmm.

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Speaker 3: It was a B side on one of the releases.

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But this song, which you all know and you probably

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all have heard recently, could have been on this album,

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might have should have been on this album, but much

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to Stevie Nix's anger and chagrin, I can't wait to

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talk about that make it onto the album.

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Speaker 4: I believe kN Khalay, the guy who produced this album,

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says the most beautiful song to never be on album.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yep.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's dive into probably the most well known

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Speaker 3: This is their first and only number one hit, which

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is crazy given how good this album is. What this

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song is called dreams.

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Speaker 2: Again? You say we won't agree.

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Speaker 6: It's all.

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Speaker 7: Sup Blamelay, Okay, So tell me between Stevie Nicks and

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Lindsay Buckingham, who broke up with whom?

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Speaker 4: The most evidence I can find it's that Stevie dumped Lindsay.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of what I've got too. But she wrote

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this song in response to go your Own Way, which

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he had written right now. The words are now hear

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you go again? You say you want your freedom? Well

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who am I to keep you? Down? Right? And so

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to me it's like, well, why is he saying I

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want my freedom to you if you're the one that

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broke up with him?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: Is this just like, is this the girls testing of

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I'm gonna break up with you to see if you're

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upset that I'm breaking up with you? Definitely possible, no

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question about it. You know. She grew up in kind

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of a sheltered born in Phoenix, Arizona. Dad was a

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vice president for Greyhound Buses, so they didn't move around

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quite a bit with his job, but she kind of

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had a sheltered life. Didn't go out much, but read

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tremendously and was very much into fantasy and stuff, and

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it kind of comes out in this quote. She says,

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with this breakup, it was like the Fairy and the Gnome.

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I wanted to be philosophical about it, and he was

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just mad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can identify with that, you know, Yeah, you

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know there's things in this life and whatever you dubbed me.

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Speaker 3: But as acrimonious as the breakup was, she comes up

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with this song. And you know, I happen to know

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the chords to this song. It's pretty much two chords

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for the entire song, except for in the solo. You

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get one extra little chord in the solo, but not

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as far as the lyrics go, right. And I doubt

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she was really writing his solo part. I'm pretty sure.

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And she brought it. She brought a two chord song

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to him, okay, And so it's two chord song to him,

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written to him and about him, about a song that

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he had written about her. And it's just her and

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a piano, and like the left hand is back and

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forth between these two chords, and the right hand's playing

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one note and then she's singing the rest of it right,

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And he listens to it and obviously is going to

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be hurt by what she's saying to him in this,

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but because of his respect for her as a songwriter,

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he smiles and says, this is this is great.

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Speaker 4: I'm just imagining where they're at the piano and she's

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singing this song that's like you suck. I tried to

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love you, you wouldn't let me love you.

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Speaker 3: You suck.

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Speaker 4: You've got your freedom, And he turns to her with

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a smile on his face.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you did it, great job. You know. This

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song hit number one June eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven. This

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is the second single.

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Speaker 4: Now we already talked about how this is the response

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to one of Lindsay's songs.

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Speaker 3: That we'll talk about here very shortly. Yep.

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Speaker 4: She wrote this one day in about ten minutes in

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the studio where Sliding the Family Stone used to record.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: She said it was a day that she was in

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the studio, but she wasn't really doing anything, you know,

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so she's just like, okay, fine, I'll just go over

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here with my notepad.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of got the impression that it was

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inspired by slies like decor, like he had this kind

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of red velvet style bedroom or something.

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Speaker 4: Helped her a little bit. Yeah, but she goes in

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there writes this song in about ten minutes. Rolling Stone

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has this as the number ninth greatest song of.

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Speaker 3: All time great song.

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Speaker 4: I saw on Facebook the other day that this would

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be in the Divorced White Women Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Now this song is I mean, it has gotten renewed

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popularity multiple times because of social media over the last

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few years. And honestly, when Gotier brought this to us

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to go, hey, I want to do this song, I

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was like, Eh, I don't know. But he showed me

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this video and it's not even one of the things

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that was on soundbacks, but it's these cowboys doing like

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pelvic thrust to the rhythm of and I was like, yeah, okay,

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we can go ahead and do this. Is this is

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too fun not to do. Yeah, but it is there.

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It is by far and away their number one downloaded song. Yes.

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Speaker 4: So, Stephanie Lynn Nicks met Lindsey Buckingham at a Young

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Life Church event in the sixties. Really, yes, I did

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not know that she was one year ahead of him

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in school, which you know at that time makes you

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unattainable to somebody one year below you, right, But yeah,

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they were playing the guitar and she joined in with

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her harmonies, and he was like, Wow, this cute girl

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is singing, and wow, she can really sing.

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Speaker 3: It was a Mamma's and Papa song. Was it like

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California California Dreaming? Yeah, that's right, remember that. I just

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want to say this now.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to tear down anything, but her voice

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is still fully intact in this album. We talked in

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our One Crazy Summer episode how Demi Moore's voice was

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affected by her cocaine news. Yes, and I think there's

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definitely evidence for that later on Stevie Nix's voice, that

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it becomes more sort of raw and raspy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, still real good though, it's it's it does

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it does. I don't know if you know this or not.

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Speaker 4: The guide vocal that they recorded for this track ended

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up being the final vocal track.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, Well that's good because it's subtle in its delivery.

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You know, Like we're going to talk about that song

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in a minute where she's she is outright yelling the

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lyrics at Lindsey Buckingham, but she's not doing that in

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this one. This is this has that dreamy quality and

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the guitar. He has this great effect on his guitar

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where he's got a volume pedal, right, and so he'll

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play a note and it's quiet as he plays it.

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Then he swells the volume with this pedal, which is

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how you get that whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. That's that

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is the effect and it's just him that's cool with

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a volume pedal to change that to have that song

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that note swell in.

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Speaker 4: Can I make one small complaint about this song? Of

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course the title needs to be better because I don't

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think like my daughter didn't reckon it nice? The title

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knows the song, Yeah, because dreams. The word dreams is

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only used three times in this song. Yeah, and it's

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kind of buried in the verse.

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Speaker 3: Thunder only happens when it's raining. Is a little bit long. Yeah,

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but it's memorable. Yeah, and it's the hook that's true.

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Speaker 4: By the way, do you want to know the number?

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Speaker 3: I was thought the charge ago? You said number one.

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I'm like, oh, we're about to hear the top ten.

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What do we got?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: I got the top five for you.

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Speaker 4: June eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: I had just turned four years old, but I'm gonna

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I'm gonna blow your socks off with this, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Number five Lucille by Kenny Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Fine, time to leave Me Lucy, Okay, I remember that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Number four feels like the first time Foreigner love It.

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Number three Gonna Fly Now by Bill Conti.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from the Rocky Sound Rocky love It.

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Speaker 4: Number two Gotta Give It Up Marvin Gay Okay, and

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then number one.

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Speaker 3: Dreams love It. What a great time in history, man,

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I wanna back up a second. Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So this song was a song written to Lindsay about

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their breakup, about their relationship, but this is a full

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year after their first album with Fleetwood Mac, where she

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had written song Jimino called Landslide.

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Speaker 3: Coverty to the Vast lad Down Oh Miring Sky.

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Speaker 4: Which was written about Lindsay and their problems.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's important to note that whenever, whenever

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Mick Fleetwood heard Lindsay Buckingham playing the guitar on a

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demo that they had done at Sound City Music, we

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got to tell that story. She was working as a

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housekeeper and a waitress, and a waitress. So he's off

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trying to scrape together something as a backup kind of brother.

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And she's waiting tables and cleaning houses and she's I

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think she was visiting a friend in Colorado.

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Speaker 4: She was in Aspen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of a landslide dawns on her her

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as this is kind of what's starting to happen on

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our relationship.

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Speaker 4: So the interesting thing, she wrote that song Landslide in

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nineteen seventy three, okay, and she and Lindsay were trying

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to make it as a group and it wasn't happen.

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It didn't happen, and she called her dad and it's like,

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I just don't know what's going on. And he's like, well, you're.

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Speaker 3: Not happy it's not happening.

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Speaker 4: You ought to think about coming home, he says, but

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what I would do if I were you give it

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six more months and see what happens. And she said,

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you're right, Dad, I'm going to give it six months

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and if nothing happens in six months, I'm coming home.

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That day she wrote landslide. Two months later, she gets

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a call from Mick Fleetwood, or Lindsay gets the call

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from Mick Fleetwood, and actually Stevie is the afterthought. She's

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the girlfriend who gets added because Mick Fleetwood wanted Lindsey

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Buckingham's guitar, and it turns.

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Speaker 3: Out she's the biggest star of the group. Yeah, okay,

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next song on the album. This one is called never

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Going Back Again. She moved down.

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Speaker 4: All right, So this is a fun little song, a

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lot of plucking going on. This was one of the

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last songs added to the album. He's still talking about

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Stevie never going back again?

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Speaker 3: Nope, no, no, this one actually is written about the

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second woman after Stevie. This is a woman he hooked

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up with on the road, at least according to my research. Okay,

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because when I read the lyrics, I'm like, yep, here

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we go, another song about Stevie. I'm not gonna go

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back there again. But no, this is apparently about somebody

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who he after breaking up with Stevie, hooked up with

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on the road, maybe once, maybe twice, but he's never

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going back again. Okay, she doesn't know what it's like

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to win. Okay, Look, I mean the lyrics on the

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song are essentially ten lines long, and two of them

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repeat themselves a couple of times. So I like this

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song a lot.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like it should be played in the log

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ride at Silver Dollar City.

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Speaker 3: It's got that.

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Speaker 4: It's got kind of a Country Branson kind of feel

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to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't look it up. It sounds like he's

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probably playing a twelve string or maybe a mandolin, but

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probably a twelve string on this one. It's got the

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sound of two strings being plucked at the same time.

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Speaker 4: To me, well, so I read the producer, King Kleay

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wanted the perfect sound for this song. Let me let

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me get this right here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: To achieve this, they restrung the guitar every twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, that's weird. There you go, Like, I'm just

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gonna say, as somebody who's restrung a guitar many times

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in my life, you're not going to significantly impact the

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sound of a guitar in twenty minutes. That's nuts.

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Speaker 4: Tell that to King Kalay, producer of rumors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess he'll say, yeah, look at my look

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at my album of the year exactly.

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Speaker 4: You see all these Grammys right here. By the way,

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here's a quote that I found. Okay, lyrically, it was

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a bit naive because it was obviously about Stevie, Lindsay Buckingham.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm telling you the thing I read Stevie or

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the Lindsay Buckingham was the one that said it was

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about a girl on the road. Okay, Well, who knows?

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It could be both. Maybe he doesn't want her to

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think it is about her at some point, amster f.

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Speaker 4: That stupid b All right, next song on the album,

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maybe my favorite song on the album.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's in the running. I'm not gonna make that

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case yet. Okay.

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Speaker 4: This song probably most well known to our age for

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a significant event in history that's associated with yep.

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Speaker 3: This song is called Don't Stop. Okay. So this song

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is preceded by three absolute bangers, two written by Lindsay Buckingham,

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one written by Stevie Nicks. And now we have this

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one written by Christine McVay, and it is yet another banger.

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Speaker 4: It's a banger. This song, to me is an old

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friend from the seventies, but it came roaring back to

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life in nineteen ninety two at the Bill Clinton Inaugural ball. Yeah,

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the President of the United States somehow got five people

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00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,680
together who hated each other, couldn't be on stage together.

473
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, to stand up and sing this song. Yeah, A

474
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,799
new idea about this song and the lyric you know

475
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,319
that kind of catches on this one is Yesterday's Gone,

476
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:55,720
Like that was the original name of the song. I

477
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:57,599
don't actually know why they would have changed it to

478
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,799
don't Stop once again. This is a song that needs

479
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:02,599
to be named better. Yeah, I think Yesterday's Gone is

480
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,359
a better title.

481
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what it was called. Yep, And that's

482
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,079
what the album was going to be called.

483
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: Yep. You know why they changed it to rumors because

484
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,160
of all of the rumors that were going around about

485
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:14,960
their various relates.

486
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 4: Leaving around and hating each other and breaking up.

487
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,519
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. Now, this song Christine wrote because she was

488
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:23,119
trying to encourage John to move on with his life

489
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,519
and hey, Yesterday's Gone, go enjoy your life, have fun,

490
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,279
live for tomorrow. And it was really effective, except that

491
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,799
he had no idea it was to him until like

492
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,440
the twenty first century, when someone was like, hey, John,

493
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,640
you know, what do you think of the lyrics of

494
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,039
the song that she wrote for you? He's like, did

495
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:42,680
she write that for me? Yeah? Yeah, John McVie, Ladies

496
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,519
and gentlemen, luckiest man on Earth, I don't get it.

497
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,799
Speaker 4: She wrote me a letter about not paying attention to

498
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,359
something it wouldn't really listen. So this was the third single,

499
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,559
released April nineteen seventy seven. This reached number three on

500
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,720
the charts. The two songs in front of it have

501
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,519
no chance that they're better than this song.

502
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 3: Okay.

503
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,519
Speaker 4: The number two songs on the chart was float On

504
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:06,119
by the Floaters, remember that.

505
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: One I do? Actually is it better than this one?

506
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:08,559
Speaker 5: No?

507
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: Okay?

508
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,319
Speaker 4: Number one, Best of My Love by the Emotions, Good Song,

509
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,519
seventy song, a Little DISCOI yeah, not better than Don't Stop.

510
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:21,599
Speaker 3: Four for four on this album so far, of absolutely brilliant, beautiful, hooky,

511
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,359
wonderful songs. I totally agree with you.

512
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: You know you mentioned something that I just want to

513
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,680
point out. This song was written by Christine, but I

514
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,119
think the magic happened when they turned it into a

515
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,039
back and forth duet with Lindsay.

516
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,759
Speaker 3: The blend of their voices on the chorus is I mean,

517
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,400
it's perfect, like her voice and his voice together just

518
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:57,200
seamlessly mixed, and I absolutely love it. I like that

519
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:58,839
he sings a verse and she sings a verse. But

520
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:00,559
I think the magic happens when sing together.

521
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 4: I got one tidbit for you on this one, okay,

522
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,319
Producer kN Kiley, I told you I read the book

523
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:08,440
Making of Rumors. Never really a fan of this song

524
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,880
as it was kind of becoming demoed and born and

525
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:15,319
worked on, he said, But once they got that chorus

526
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119
down and they all jumped in and sort of blended

527
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,039
their voices, it won him over because they were such

528
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,720
great singers.

529
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, next song on the album this is

530
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,839
go your own Way.

531
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:32,079
Speaker 4: Is the right?

532
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,079
Speaker 3: Okay. So we know that Lindsay Buckingham wrote this song.

533
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,119
We know that Stevie Nicks wrote Dreams in response to

534
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,359
this song. So what did he say to her and

535
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:50,200
his song that made her say? Players only love you

536
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:50,960
when they're playing.

537
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: So the lyrics in this song that drove her absolutely

538
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,519
bonkers was the packing up, shacking up is all you

539
00:28:58,599 --> 00:28:58,960
want to do.

540
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,799
Speaker 3: And she's like, that is not true.

541
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,359
Speaker 4: Take that off, and she like demanded that it be

542
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,799
taken off and he's like, no, how about this. It

543
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,240
stays oh, and you're singing it every night with me

544
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:32,079
and it is under her skin decades decades. It's one

545
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:33,960
of those things where it's not like he didn't know

546
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,200
it drove her crazy. He knew it drove her crazy

547
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:37,279
and still made her do it.

548
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:43,079
Speaker 3: The wounds are deep and the scars are permanent. Loving

549
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,440
you isn't the right thing to do. How can I

550
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,640
ever change the things that I feel? If I could, baby,

551
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200
I'd give you my world? But how can I when

552
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,400
you won't take it from me? You can go your

553
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,000
own way, which I would translate to you can go

554
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:03,200
outside and play hide and go fick yourself. He's like,

555
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,160
I'm trying. I'm like, how do I just not love you?

556
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,400
How do I just quit doing things? If I could

557
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,079
do that, I would just give you the whole world.

558
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,039
But you wouldn't even take that. Yes, you sorry? Witch?

559
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:15,720
That's right.

560
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: This was the lead single. This was actually released well

561
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,920
ahead of the album. It was released December of nineteen

562
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,920
seventy six. Reach number ten, Top ten, I Know that

563
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,200
I do? All right, say hey, are there nine songs

564
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:29,079
better than the song?

565
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 1: No?

566
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,599
Speaker 3: But it's pretty good list.

567
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,279
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, go your own way? Reaches

568
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,000
number ten. Number nine is rich Girl by Hello Notes.

569
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,519
Speaker 3: Oh, which we talked about yeah just a few weeks recently. Okay.

570
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,559
Speaker 4: Number eight You're the Cat by Al Stewart. Number seven,

571
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,559
Torn Between Two Lovers Mary.

572
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,119
Speaker 3: McGregor swinging to Miss Twice now, yeah, okay, hang in

573
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:50,640
there all right.

574
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 4: Number six Dancing Queen by Aba Okay, sure, yeah, yeah,

575
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,720
I mean yeah, defining song. Iconic number five, Blinded by

576
00:30:57,759 --> 00:30:58,799
the Light by Banford Man.

577
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: Sure yeah. Number four Night Moves by Bob Seeker. Great song.

578
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: Number three I Like Dreaming by Kenny Nolan.

579
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: It's okay.

580
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,039
Speaker 4: Number two Fly Like an Eagle Steve Miller.

581
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: Oh that's huge. We got cover Steve Miller. Yeah, we

582
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,079
need to do Steve Miller versus Leonard Skinner. Okay yeah.

583
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,559
Speaker 4: Number one ever Green by Barbara Streisand I told you

584
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,480
my mom liked that song.

585
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:18,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

586
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: That's from the original Star is Born, right right, right right.

587
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,119
So here's an interesting story I have about this song. Okay, yeah,

588
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:27,759
So this was released ahead of the album, as I said,

589
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640
And when they played it in LA there was a DJ.

590
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,240
His name was Michael Reid, Okay, And when he spun it,

591
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,680
you know, DJ's back in the day.

592
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: He had a lot of power.

593
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: After he played He's like, I don't know about that one.

594
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,359
Everybody keep in mind Fleetwood Mac is all in on

595
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,079
this album. They think they got it, and this is

596
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:46,640
the lead single and it's got a hit in.

597
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,759
Speaker 3: All that stuff. Yeah, rumors isn't even out at this point,

598
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,599
and he's already trashing the first single, right, So this

599
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,799
this DJ in LA is like, I'm not sure.

600
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,119
Speaker 4: So Lindsey Buckingham calls him it's great, yeah and says,

601
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,839
I mean, imagine a day where we say something on

602
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680
here like I don't really like that song. And Lindsay

603
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,839
Buckingham calls us, right, but he calls him and said,

604
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:06,839
why did you like it?

605
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,759
Speaker 3: Like what's wrong with it?

606
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,079
Speaker 4: And the guy said, well, you know, it's hard to

607
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:13,519
find the beat, and I just I don't know. I mean,

608
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,960
I just didn't really like it that much.

609
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: I have to say words, and so I said words, right, And.

610
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: So he has softened a stance on that, of course

611
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
as it became a major classic from the seventies, but

612
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,880
just the idea that the artist would hear that and

613
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,880
call the radio station to talk to the DJs.

614
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: Why didn't you like my song? Yeah? I don't like

615
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,799
it in either, lindsay, why don't you give me a call?

616
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,359
Please call us. By the way, Lindsay Buckingham and I

617
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,599
share the same birthday. Really, yeah, and Steve Yvaughan and

618
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,799
Frank Cannon and Tommy Lee. That's a pretty good day. Yeah,

619
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,799
what happens nine months before the first week I each other?

620
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000
It's a little Christmas time, a little New Year's action.

621
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: Okay, So I want to talk about the B side

622
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:54,240
to this song.

623
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,839
Speaker 3: Okay, do you know what the B side is?

624
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,599
Speaker 1: I do. So.

625
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,079
Speaker 4: Stevie wrote another song for this album called Silver Springs,

626
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:04,440
and it was long, and it was beautiful, and it

627
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,039
was left off the album.

628
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:10,319
Speaker 3: Seven minutes roughly is how long this song is. Now,

629
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,119
keep in mind this album came out in nineteen seventy seven,

630
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,680
and as you've alluded to, this was the B side

631
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,799
to their lead single. But being a B side means

632
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,480
you pretty well fly under the radar about ninety nine

633
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:28,640
point nine percent of the time, which is what happened

634
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,759
with this B side as well. It's true until nineteen

635
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,240
ninety seven, nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety seven, so twenty

636
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,119
years go by. Now I want you to tell the

637
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,079
story of because silver Springs is a Stevie Nick's song.

638
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,759
It is, and she expected it to be on this album.

639
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 5: Hmm.

640
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: Tell the story of the new when she got the

641
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,000
news that it wasn't going to be on the album.

642
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: Okay, so first of all, she writes this song. They're

643
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160
traveling on the highway. They're in Maryland. She sees a

644
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,000
sign that says exit next exit Silver Springs, and she

645
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,720
thinks to herself, that sounds like a really nice place,

646
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,119
like a place where somebody could go with their lover

647
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,239
and just retire and just be. And so she writes

648
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,920
the song and it's too lindsay that you could have

649
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,000
been my Silver Springs, the place where we just are

650
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,840
together forever, and it's just all good. So it's seven

651
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,239
minutes long. She presents it to the group and they're like,

652
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,679
this song is way too long.

653
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,639
Speaker 3: It can't fit on the album. We got too many

654
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:27,800
great songs. We can't do it.

655
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: So it's mixed job to take her out to lunch

656
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,239
and you know, tell her what's what's up.

657
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well they only make it to the parking lot

658
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,880
because women have this intuition of like, listen, if you're

659
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:42,679
if you're about to tell me something, just tell.

660
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 4: Me now, what's what is it?

661
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: What is it?

662
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 4: Freaking tell me right now. And he's like, well, here's

663
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,320
the deal. H we're not putting Silver Springs on rumors. Yeah,

664
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,400
And she's like why not, Like what's the deal? And

665
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,440
he's like, well, it's just too long and you know,

666
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,519
it doesn't really fit the tone and blah blah blah.

667
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:03,559
So anyway, she's mad and she's like, what the f

668
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
you know, like she is about to lose her mind,

669
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,800
about to kill everybody. And he says, but we're gonna

670
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,400
put another one of your songs on the album instead, yes,

671
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,159
And she's like, which one? And we'll talk about that

672
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,760
song here in a second. But it's one of those

673
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,239
moments where she's like, I want to kill you, but

674
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,159
I also like that song. Yeah, And so it's not

675
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,719
really okay, but it's bitter pill. It's okay, but sweet

676
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,039
right or sweet? But the rest of the story is

677
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,400
so it's a Fleetwood Mac song, but she wants to

678
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,880
include it on her Greatest Hits album in nineteen ninety one.

679
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: Right now, she has had her own substantial solo career.

680
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,599
By nineteen nineteen, she is a huge star. She has Belladonna,

681
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Belladonna in eighty one Edge of seventeen with about uh Competty.

682
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,239
It's about Tom Petty. Did you know that okay, So

683
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,119
I don't know. Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't

684
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:05,760
know that we'll ever cover Belladonna. Maybe we'll, but I'll

685
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,840
tell the story again if I need to. So you know,

686
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,320
I don't know where they meet, but I mean they

687
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,800
were close with the Tom Petty band. They both recorded

688
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,320
in Sound City some of their most iconic stuff. But

689
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,599
when she first met Tom Petty's wife, Tom Petty's wife

690
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,679
was telling her about the first time that she met

691
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,840
Tom Petty, and she said he was the age of seventeen,

692
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,800
but she had this very southern kind of drawl in

693
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,960
the way that she spoke, and so it came out

694
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,360
he was the age of seventeen, and what Stevie heard

695
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,840
was the edge of seventeen. Oh, I love it. That's

696
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,559
how she came up with the title of that song. Ah,

697
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:43,639
that's good, that's really good.

698
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also is kind of remarkable that they have

699
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,280
a song called stop Dragging My Heart Around on Meladanna.

700
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,480
So anyway she goes on, she has talked to me

701
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,440
and stand back and all these big hits. She actually

702
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,320
Prince sent her Purple Rain, the demo to Purple Rain, Oh.

703
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,519
Speaker 3: That's right, and said, what can you do with this,

704
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:05,159
and she's like, what, I can't do anything with this.

705
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,079
This is too good. You gotta do this. You do

706
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,320
this because you this is Yeah.

707
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: So anyway, in nineteen ninety one, she wants to add

708
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,360
Silver Springs to her Greatest Hits album because it's this

709
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,280
beautiful song that has never been released into the wild,

710
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,000
and Mick Fleetwood stops.

711
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,199
Speaker 3: Her says, you can't, you can't do it, yeah, and

712
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,480
she said, what you were the that wouldn't let me

713
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:26,360
put the album in the first place.

714
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: And so he wants to hold it for a box

715
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,000
set the Fleetwood Max's gon to release in nineteen ninety five.

716
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: Guess what, they don't include it in that album either.

717
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 4: So in nineteen ninety seven, Yeah, they get back together,

718
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,920
kind of patch things up, and they create an album

719
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,440
called The Dance where she is on stage with all

720
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,440
these people for the first time in years, and her

721
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:54,719
performance as she is singing, screaming, hollering at Lindsey Buckingham

722
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,239
in this he says, outstanding.

723
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: You sent me this video and you can watch her.

724
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:01,199
You can watch her in the video. The whole time

725
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,599
she keeps looking over, just looking over, getting ready to

726
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,280
just lay into him. And she keeps waiting, but he's

727
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239
like he's looking at his hands, you know, he's he's

728
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,920
singing into the microphone, not looking at her, not looking

729
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,280
And at the moment that he turns to her and

730
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,599
it's a part where they both have to sing back

731
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,199
and forth to each other. That is where she fully

732
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,639
turns to him and lays it in and then he's

733
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,440
almost responding in kind and they are back and forth.

734
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,480
I mean, this is what would you say? It was

735
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:36,599
ninety seven, ninety seven, twenty years after more than twenty years,

736
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,280
she was still hesitant in seventy three when.

737
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 4: She wrote Landslide and she's blasting like me my voice while.

738
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: Han Jinnam is still hot. And so I don't know,

739
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,199
you know, I'm just going to disclose to you listeners

740
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,679
out there. We don't put the music in to these

741
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,320
episodes until after the fact, So I don't know what

742
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,800
Jason will have put in up to this point about

743
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,400
this song. But this song right now, because of social media,

744
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,400
is blowing. It's huge, and you won't recognize it for

745
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,480
probably about the first minute or so of the song.

746
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,039
But when it comes to this part right here.

747
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:35,639
Speaker 6: There, it is everybody knows that song it is.

748
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, that's it hot right now hot.

749
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: And then to put all that together, Silver Springs gets

750
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:44,440
released as a b side to Lindsay's Fu to Steve.

751
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,159
Speaker 3: Well, but didn't I mean when that video that we're

752
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:49,800
talking about, didn't it win something?

753
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: It won the Grammy, It won the Grammy, won the Grammy,

754
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
and has since become their one of their staple songs.

755
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,760
There you go, not good enough to make ruvers?

756
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: All right? Next song on the album, Yeah, Let's do it.

757
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:28,800
This one is called Songbird. All right.

758
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: D About the time we think we're due for a dud,

759
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:36,639
we get this magnificent, beautiful, tear jerker of a song.

760
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,639
Speaker 3: This is tragic in what it says and how it's delivered, heartbreaking,

761
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,079
And I mean most of the songs leading up to

762
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:48,840
this have been kind of up tempo, kind of maybe angry,

763
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,880
but they're they're danceable angry right right, And this is

764
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,800
very this is very much I'm sitting alone at the

765
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,760
house in the rain crying a little bit.

766
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: Christine said this song came to her from the angels. Okay, yeah,

767
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,000
and I love the creation of this song. She said,

768
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:08,760
the song came to her. She said, It was around midnight.

769
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,880
She was playing at her piano and she had it.

770
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,320
It was like locked into her brain. But she didn't

771
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,440
have anybody to share it with at that moment because

772
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,800
it was late. Yeah, So she did what any normal

773
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,239
person would do. She stayed up all night long so

774
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,800
she wouldn't forget it, and went straight to the studio

775
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,480
the next morning.

776
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,039
Speaker 3: Zero sleep. She needs by herself tape recorder.

777
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,079
Speaker 4: Holy cow, she just held it in their noggin until

778
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:31,679
she got there.

779
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: Right. Well, I can't tell you how many times I've

780
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
said to myself or I've said to some other people

781
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,760
who I know who write music, you should record that

782
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,199
right now before you forget the melody. That's right. Yeah.

783
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:44,920
So if you don't have something to record with, then yeah,

784
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,840
that's that is the answer. You just keep you stay

785
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,840
awake until you find something to record yourself with. Yes,

786
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:52,960
So I love this quote.

787
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: So Christine would often play the song at the end

788
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,440
of any Fleetwood Mac concert. John McPhee, who is her

789
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:02,480
ex husband who they were having nasty fights with, said,

790
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,239
when Christine played songbird grown men would weep.

791
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: I did every night. Well, that's going to be the

792
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,239
best quote that John mcviee has in this episode, and

793
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,199
it may be the only one.

794
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 4: It may be the only one. I thought this was

795
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,039
interesting the way they recorded Songbird kin Kole Ay, the

796
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,280
producer of this album, wanted to do something special for

797
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Christine mcviee, so they rented out Zellerbach Auditorium, which is

798
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:28,519
University of California at Berkeley. It's their big concert space.

799
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,519
Rented it out, wanted it completely empty, but they wanted

800
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,679
that sort of echoe full sound when she came in

801
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,960
to record it. This is March third, nineteen seventy six.

802
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:42,480
He actually documented the date. Lights were low, three spotlights

803
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,480
on the piano and a bouquet of flowers on the piano.

804
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,159
How sweet, completely empty place and let her do her thing.

805
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: Nice paint the picture, great, the atmosphere. I like it. Okay,

806
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,159
So we're to the end of side one of this album.

807
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000
But before we jump intside too, I just want to

808
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,159
talk about a little bit. This group started in nineteen

809
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,920
sixty seven. They've been together for ten years. And I

810
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,639
say they and together in quotes here because it's a

811
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,079
crazy story. But I'm going to try to sum it

812
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:14,760
up as best as I can. But there's no way

813
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,800
that it's a simple summary. Okay, you're ready for this, Okay.

814
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,239
So it really starts with the Blues Breakers, right, This

815
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,559
is the first band that we have a matching of

816
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,280
people that ultimately becomes Fleetwood Mac but Blues Breakers together.

817
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,159
They want John McVie to be their bass player. They

818
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,440
love him so much that even though he routinely gets

819
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,840
blistering drunk and they fire him, they re hire him

820
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,639
over and over and over again. Right, And the guitarist

821
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,880
from the Blues Breakers is this at the time kind

822
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,760
of unknown guy that got a little famous later on.

823
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,000
His name's Eric Clapton. Never right. What happens is that

824
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,639
Eric Clapton leaves the band. He goes to pursue other things,

825
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:02,199
and so they find the other closest equivalent they can

826
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,480
to Eric Clapton, a guy named Peter Green. And Peter

827
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:09,400
Green is like, hey, I'm coming. I'll be your guitarist,

828
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,119
but I got to bring my drummer with me. And

829
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:14,239
they're like, whoa, We've already got Ainsley. Just James Buckley.

830
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,079
That's Ainsley dune As is their drummer of what journey

831
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:21,800
I think in White Snake and and there, and he's

832
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960
like Hey, if my drummer doesn't come, then I don't come.

833
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,880
And they're like, all right, sorry, Ainsley, you're out. Who's

834
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,239
this drummer you got? Oh, it's a guy named Mick Fleetwood, right,

835
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,519
who drinks more than John mcvee does. And so the

836
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,320
guy that they the guitarist that they want is a

837
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,599
guy named Peter Green, and they would call him the

838
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,519
Green God. He was so good at guitar right, as

839
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,199
a little thank you for hey coming and joining the

840
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,000
band and sorry to Ainsley Dunsbar. But John Mayle says,

841
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,199
why don't you got You know, Peter, if you want

842
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,199
to go play in my studio, you can have some

843
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,800
of my studio time. So Peter Green goes to the

844
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,960
studio and he takes John mcvee and Mick Fleetwood with

845
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:04,039
him and they record some songs together, which they promptly

846
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,519
put on the shelf and don't give to the Blues Breakers.

847
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:11,880
And then when Mick Fleetwood's drinking does come to a head,

848
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,800
they fire him, and unlike John McVie, they're like, we're

849
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,039
not hiring you back. You're gone and you're going to

850
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,920
stay gone, right, And so Peter Green, after a little

851
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,760
while he's like, I don't know. And then Eric Clapton's like, hey, guys,

852
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,679
can I come back to the band And Peter Green

853
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,559
sees the writing on the wall and he's like, I'm

854
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,119
out of here. You guys can have Eric whatever he's

855
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:33,920
going to do. So Peter Green leaves, goes and finds

856
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Mick Fleetwood and whatever bar he's holed up in, and

857
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:41,199
he says, hey, let's start a new band. And he's

858
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,079
like that sounds great. Who should we get to play

859
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,159
with us? And they're like, well, let's get John McVie

860
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,760
and like, well, but he's still playing with the Blues

861
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,320
Breakers and they're like he'll join us, And Mick Fleetwood's

862
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,840
like he likes having a paycheck, and you're talking about

863
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,639
starting a new band, and Peter Green comes up with

864
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,199
this brilliant idea. He says, what if we call all

865
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:09,880
the band Fleetwood Mac. Now, this is the guy who's

866
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,280
gonna sing and play lead guitar, and he wants to

867
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,039
name the band after the rhythm section, just to get

868
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:19,480
John McVie. And so they say, John, come join, we're

869
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,960
naming the band and band after you, and he's like eh.

870
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,239
But after about two months of finally pushing him and

871
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,119
pressuring him. John McVie says, okay, fine, I will come

872
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,199
join you guys. A month later they released their first single,

873
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,760
which is called I Believe My Time Ain't Long. A

874
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,440
little while later, a few months later, February nineteen sixty eight,

875
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,800
they release their first album called Fleetwood Mac. They today

876
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,679
call it Peter Greens Fleetwood Mac because, as you know before,

877
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,800
rumors there's another album called Fleetwood Mac. Right, So Peter

878
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,960
Green's Fleetwood Mac came out in February of sixty eight,

879
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,920
does okay, actually does pretty well. And then they release

880
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,480
another album where they bring on a guest piano player

881
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:10,239
to kind of round things out, a cute little girl

882
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,639
from a band called Chicken Shack. Her name is Christine Perfect.

883
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,039
Yeah I heard her say this.

884
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 4: She of course goes on to Mary John McVie and

885
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,920
she says, you know, I was perfect until I met John.

886
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: Then before their next album they hire another guitarist. Right,

887
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,760
and now, if you've heard of Fleetwood Mac, then you

888
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,679
absolutely have heard of Danny Kerwin, right me, I didn't,

889
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,639
not before this, not me, big Fleewood Mac fan. Maybe

890
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:39,800
you did, but most of us probably haven't heard of

891
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,079
Danny Kerwin, but it's Danny Kerwin's guitar in a song

892
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,519
that they wrote together called Albatross that literally breaks the band.

893
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,480
And this is just a single. They released the single Albatross,

894
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,280
but it goes nuts, their manager says. In nineteen sixty nine,

895
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:01,719
in one day, they sold sixty four thousand units. He said,

896
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,960
we sold more than the Beatles and the Rolling Stones combined.

897
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,599
And this is way before the Fleetwood Mac that we

898
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,679
all know and love. So then with Danny Kerwin, nineteen

899
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,360
sixty nine, they release another album, This one's called Then

900
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,800
Play On. They're on a big tour with this album.

901
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,400
Everything seems to be going great, except that suddenly Peter Green,

902
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,440
the leader of the band, lead guitarist, lead singer, has

903
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:32,400
an absolute breakdown and is diagnosed as schizophrenic, becomes a recluse,

904
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,440
refuses to play with the band anymore. And now what

905
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,719
are they going to do? The guy who is literally

906
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,239
the pilot of the plane just jumped out in a

907
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,840
pair of shipe. What's going to happen? Well, they decide

908
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,559
we're going to press on. Well, what are we going

909
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:48,480
to do about a singer? Hey, what about that girl

910
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,559
that helped us out when we did mister wonderful? What

911
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,960
was her name? Christine? Almost as good as the best?

912
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,519
Speaker 4: Right, Christine Perfect?

913
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:57,159
Speaker 2: Ah?

914
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,079
Speaker 3: Yes, So Christine Perfect now joins the band as an

915
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,320
official member, and in nineteen seventy they release Kiln House.

916
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,960
It is also very successful.

917
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 4: You're about to get to my favorite part of the story.

918
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,159
Speaker 3: On that album. They also bring on another guitarist, guy

919
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,519
named Jeremy Spencer. Right, Christine and John are actually happily married.

920
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:20,039
At this point, everything seems to be going good, and

921
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,800
then John Spencer says, hey, guys, I'm gonna go grab

922
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,639
a magazine real quick. I'll be right back there in

923
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,800
California recording some music. And then where's Jeremy? Where'd you go?

924
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,119
Where's Jeremy? No time to record? Where's the magazine store

925
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:40,239
he went to? He literally left the door. Joined a cult. Yeah. So,

926
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,400
their manager that they've had for this whole time, his

927
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,800
guy named Cliff Davis. Cliff Davis finds out about the

928
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,039
Children of God thing, and he goes to find Jeremy. Right,

929
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,400
and he goes in and he says, there are literally

930
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:54,320
hundreds of people chanting in his face, and he says

931
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,280
he spends the next two hours just trying to get

932
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,519
them to let him talk to Jeremy Spencer. I don't

933
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,440
I'm not trying to take him from you. I just

934
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,800
need to know that he's here of his own free

935
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,760
will and that you haven't got him as a captive,

936
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,760
you know. And Jeremy comes out and he's had his

937
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,559
head completely shaved, and he says, I feel like this

938
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
is my place in life, and Cliff Davis is like, well,

939
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:20,400
good luck to yadios, And just like Mark Stone and

940
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:24,599
Van Halen, he fades into the obscurity of time. So

941
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,679
now again they're down a guitar player. What about Bob Welch.

942
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,320
He's a great guitarist, good singer. Maybe he would be interested.

943
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,880
And they're like, maybe, what's he doing. Well, he's still

944
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,639
in France. He's an American, but he's been over in

945
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,440
France and probably barely scraping by, right, And so whenever

946
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,159
they call him up, he's like, I'll come out, but

947
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,920
can you buy my plane ticket because I don't have

948
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,519
any money. And he's kind of the head for the

949
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:54,639
next three albums. And I saw a journalist say he

950
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,480
was the one that really brought the band to where

951
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,760
the Americans could listen to them stuff isle of play

952
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:05,599
was palatable to the American taste. Right now, Fleetwood Mac is,

953
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,719
Bob Welsh, Christine now mcvee, John mcvee, Mick Fleetwood, and

954
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,840
Danny Kerwin, who's the one that broke the band with Albatross.

955
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:18,039
Everything's going great, except that Danny Kerwin has begun to

956
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:23,639
drink more than John mcvee and Mick Fleetwood put together something.

957
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,079
And he literally he at some point in one of

958
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:29,960
their shows, puts his guitar down, goes into the audience

959
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,639
and is applauding and cheering for the band as though

960
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,239
he's not a member of the band anymore. And so

961
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,559
they have to say, hey, listen, Bud, you got it.

962
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,079
You gotta get You're fine. You gotta get out of here, right,

963
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:43,960
So they bring in another guy to sing, another guy

964
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,039
to play guitar. The guy they have to play the

965
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,360
guitar is a guy named Bob Weston. Okay, this is

966
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,920
another great story. So then, okay, we can still make

967
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,840
it with the members that we have. We've got Bob,

968
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,639
he'll be okay, and we've got our extra guitarist, Bob

969
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,320
Weston And what what did you say? What's Bob doing? Oh,

970
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:09,159
he's pounding mcfleetwood's wife. Ah, should we let him stay

971
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:13,920
in the band. So Jenny Boyd, mcfleetwood's wife is having

972
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,079
an affair with Bob Weston, or he's having an affair

973
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,440
with her. They're having an affair together, and so Bob

974
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:22,119
Weston is giving his pink slip. You gotta go, he's

975
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:27,960
sliding his pink. He you're gonna, but I don't think

976
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,840
we can put it on a stag rated show. Okay.

977
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:36,840
So they're all heavily addicted to various chemicals. They've just

978
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:39,559
fired their guitarists who was having an affair with the

979
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,760
boss's wife. And at this point, Bob Welch calls Cliff Davis,

980
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,280
their manager, and says, we're breaking up. They're in the

981
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,519
middle of a tour. He says, you're in the middle

982
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:50,880
of a tour and they're like, yeah, we're not gonna

983
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,599
do the tour. He's like, hmm, that's a problem because

984
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,760
lots of people have paid us money and we will

985
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,920
be breaking contracts and we will be liable. And he's like,

986
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,440
I don't know what to tell you. We're wreaking up.

987
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:08,440
Fleetwood Mac broke up. They were done over. No Christine mcviee,

988
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,199
no John McVie, no Mick Fleetwood, none of it. And

989
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,719
yet somehow the tour continued. Yeah, so I guess. And

990
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:21,880
some point in this process Cliff Davis realizes this band's

991
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,239
a little bit volatile, they're a little unhinged. Maybe I

992
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,440
should get Mick to agree to give me the rights

993
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,360
to the name of the band, which they make some

994
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,679
sort of handshake deal allegedly. And so when he gets

995
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,440
a call saying the band broke up, he says, well,

996
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,440
we're going to finish the tour anyway, and I will

997
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:44,800
just bring in an entirely new set of musicians and

998
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,039
then we'll just play all of the Fleetwood Nobody will know.

999
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,960
How would anybody know? Why would they know? Right? And

1000
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,119
so obviously that doesn't go over so well with the

1001
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:56,360
members of the band. They have to have a lawsuit

1002
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,239
about being able to use their name or not being

1003
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,239
able to because not not only are they playing with

1004
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,559
this substitute band under the name Fleetwood Mac, they won't

1005
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,840
let them record new songs under that name Fleetwood Mac. Right,

1006
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,199
and Cliff Davis is like, hey, you broke up, why

1007
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,239
you wanted to record songs. You gave me your name, yeah, exactly,

1008
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,519
and so lots of litigation. Ultimately they get the band

1009
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,440
name back. I'm sure that probably they parted ways with

1010
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,960
Cliff Davis after that, but Bob Welch says, hey, I

1011
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:27,079
want to be the next led Zeppelin, which is interesting

1012
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,119
because led Zeppelin is still producing albums at this point,

1013
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,320
so it doesn't make any sense, right, So they literally

1014
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,159
with Peter Green inspired one of the biggest songs that

1015
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,159
led Zeppelin has, and now Bob Welch is saying, I

1016
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,719
want to beat them, I want to imitate them, and

1017
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,719
they say listen, that's just not going to work, and

1018
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,000
he says, well buy yeah.

1019
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 4: Right, So you're left with Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christy

1020
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,440
mcphe and now you're looking to fill some singer rolls

1021
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:51,559
and some guitarists.

1022
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, as it turned out just before this. Now this

1023
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,480
is obviously hard times. They've gone through lawsuits, they were

1024
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:59,880
breaking up and now they're not breaking up. They've lost

1025
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,079
their manager, they've lost their kind of lead singer, lead guitarist.

1026
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,400
And in the midst of all of this, Mick Fleetwood

1027
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:11,159
runs into Kenneth Olsen at the grocery store of all plays, right,

1028
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:14,199
and he's like, hey, you guys should come over to

1029
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,440
sound City, which if you haven't seen the documentary about

1030
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,079
sound City, you should because there are incredible albums that

1031
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:21,880
have come out of that place. Good. But it looks

1032
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,079
it's like a little hole in the wall in some

1033
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,159
industrial park somewhere. But I mean it is Fleetwood Mac songs,

1034
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,679
Fleetwood Mac, that original album, Tom Petty's got some big

1035
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,719
hits out of there, and Nirvana never mind yeah, I

1036
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,880
mean it was Dave Grohl who produced the sound City

1037
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,119
documentary because sound City was going out of business and

1038
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,480
he went to go get the knave board. Yeah, so sorry,

1039
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,239
this was rolling on. This told you there's no way

1040
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,559
to see me out this history, right, And so as

1041
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:52,119
he comes over, as Mick Fleetwood comes over to check

1042
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,400
out this new studio, he's like, here, listen to this

1043
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,559
demo that I've got, and Mick Fleetwood is like, this

1044
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,639
guy is really good at guitar, and he's like starts

1045
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:04,000
air guitar and jamming out. And then the guitarist who's

1046
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,760
playing walks in. He's like, hey, you listen to my stuff.

1047
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,159
He's like is this you? Yes? And they meet each other,

1048
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,440
and that guitarist name.

1049
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 4: Is Lindsay Buckingham, Lindsay Buckingh and that song is called

1050
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:41,960
Frozen Love. So Mick Fleetwood eventually calls Lindsay Buckingham and says,

1051
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:43,440
and what do you think about joining my band?

1052
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lindsay's like, I don't know.

1053
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 4: My girlfriend is also kind of an important part here.

1054
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:51,519
I mean, if I come, she's gotta come.

1055
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,159
Speaker 3: I keep in mind at this point they had recorded

1056
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:57,960
their album. They had recorded and released Buckingham Nicks, right,

1057
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,280
which is man, have you seen that album cover? Smoking?

1058
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,440
Hubba hubba? She looks good too. No, And and it

1059
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,880
didn't do well. Not the door kicked them off of

1060
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,519
the label.

1061
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 4: They released it three months later, drop it.

1062
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are dropped as and so they are not

1063
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,800
assigned duo anymore. And yet Lindsay Buckingham is like, hey,

1064
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,079
I'm just I'm not coming unless she comes with me.

1065
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,079
Speaker 4: And actually she's the one who convinces him.

1066
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I listened to these band, these guys,

1067
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,119
I think we can.

1068
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,119
Speaker 4: Add something to this band. And there you have the

1069
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:31,000
classic lineup of Fleetwood back.

1070
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, so now you getta lift the needle

1071
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:39,039
lift the needle, pick it up, flip it over her

1072
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,480
side too. We start this one off with the I

1073
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,280
thought you might have heard of fore. This one's called

1074
00:57:46,000 --> 00:58:09,920
the Chain Shadow, Change of Mind. This is my favorite

1075
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,440
song the album. I think it might be mine as well.

1076
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,639
I told you. In my band when I was a

1077
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:20,519
young man in my twenties, we covered gold Dust Woman,

1078
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,679
which was very fun to play. In my current band,

1079
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,679
we have covered Landslide a couple of times. Dreams is

1080
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,519
on our regular rotation. We'll be performing it again on

1081
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:34,360
June twentieth, but this song never covered. I really want

1082
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,719
to you should. I heard a band in a tiny

1083
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,039
little hole in the wall bar in Norman, Oklahoma, heard

1084
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:42,719
a band doing this. I don't even know if they

1085
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,239
sang the words. They might not even have sang. They

1086
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,920
may have just like sang the first five lines and

1087
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,000
then played for the rest of the song. But people

1088
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,880
literally came out of their seat and got on this

1089
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,760
tiny little dance floor to dance to this bang banger.

1090
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this song is so good, And the crazy part

1091
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,000
about it is it is a complete Frankenstein of leftover

1092
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,000
parts and stuff they couldn't make work with other songs.

1093
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:24,760
This is the only song in their entire catalog, where

1094
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,239
the writing credits are attributed to John McVie, Christy McVie, Mickfleetwood, Lindsay.

1095
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. It's incredible, blows my socks off,

1096
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,760
Damn your love, damn your lies. If you don't love

1097
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,079
me now, you will never love me again. I can

1098
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:43,960
still hear you saying you would never break the chain,

1099
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:48,159
never break the chain. Not only do Lindsay and Stevie

1100
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:53,280
sing this song, they sing the song to each other. Right,

1101
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:56,039
it's about him and he has to sing it to

1102
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,360
He says you will ever break the chain, which is

1103
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,119
what she said to him, and then she says it

1104
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:05,639
back to him when she sings it. I know it's crazy.

1105
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: This is often the song that they lead their concerts

1106
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:13,639
off with. This has one point five billion downloads on Spotify.

1107
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,199
Speaker 3: Wow. I think the beauty of this song. Like you said,

1108
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:23,159
it's it's a Frankenstein of things, but it's the simplicity.

1109
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,920
There's some variations on what's going on, but you literally

1110
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:30,719
have a four on the floor boom boom boom, which

1111
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,639
sounds like chains, like it could be a work song

1112
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,639
on a chain gang. Right, Sure? I can imagine, you know,

1113
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,920
I can imagine guys in the old days, in the

1114
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,079
old chain gangs working on the railroad to that beat,

1115
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:47,639
and you have a doughbro sounding I don't know if

1116
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:49,880
he's playing a doughbro or not, but that old blues

1117
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:54,440
kind of simple hook that he does variations on throughout

1118
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,400
the song. But damn.

1119
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,719
Speaker 4: Sing it, get up and dance.

1120
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: Wrote a little song, but I'd like to hear.

1121
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:02,599
Speaker 1: Here go.

1122
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: And then these just brutal, brutal lyrics that they have

1123
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,239
to sing you to each other every single time that

1124
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,519
they play the song, which I can't I can't imagine

1125
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,199
how many times they've had to play and sing the

1126
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:15,880
song with each other.

1127
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: And that doesn't even talk about the magical mix of their.

1128
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: Voices and harmonies. And it's amazing. All right, we're due

1129
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,440
for a dud? Are we up for a dud? Let's

1130
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,159
say nope, No, this one's yeah. This one's called you

1131
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:52,599
Make Loving Fun. Okay, So who wrote this one? This

1132
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,079
is a Christine song? And I have the idea that

1133
01:01:56,159 --> 01:01:57,320
maybe it's not to John McVie.

1134
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 4: On this time, John McVie, there's the there's who it

1135
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,719
was actually about, and there's who she said it was

1136
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,880
about Okay, well, who did she say it was.

1137
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,679
Speaker 3: She said it was about her dog, so that it

1138
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:10,000
would cause any.

1139
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 4: Problems with John okay, but she was banging the Fleetwood

1140
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,920
Mac lighting director.

1141
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:20,079
Speaker 3: His name was Curry Grant. Oh my gosh.

1142
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:37,519
Speaker 4: At this point in time they were divorced. John had

1143
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:39,639
his girlfriend in the studio, so he would bring her

1144
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,320
in and she and Christine were friends.

1145
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:42,239
Speaker 3: Like oh wow.

1146
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,119
Speaker 4: She's like, hey, great, you're taking this guy off of me.

1147
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 3: I love you.

1148
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,599
Speaker 4: And they would hang out. Christine would bring Curry to

1149
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:53,000
the studio and John would want to fight and she's like,

1150
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:55,639
wait a minute, I'm cool with your girlfriend and you're

1151
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:59,239
not cool with my boyfriend. Right, So anyway, Yes, this song,

1152
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:01,159
she said, was written about her dog.

1153
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 3: About the dog. We named the dog Indiana.

1154
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 4: This song was the fourth single released September of nineteen

1155
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,559
seventy seven.

1156
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: This reached number nine on the charts.

1157
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 4: Get Ready, I'm Ready, This will blow your socks off

1158
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,719
Okay number nine, Member nine, Fun You Make Love and

1159
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,360
Fun Number eight Baby Come Back by Player It's a

1160
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,360
big one. Number seven We're All Alone by Rita Coolidge.

1161
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:26,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

1162
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 4: Number six Every time I turn around LTD. Number five

1163
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,559
It's So Easy Linda Ronstat is huge.

1164
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:33,519
Speaker 3: Love that song.

1165
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 4: Number four, Don't Make My Brown Eyes Blue Crystal Gale

1166
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,599
love it, number three Blue by You. Linda Ronstadt also

1167
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:42,960
love it. Number two How Deep is Your Love?

1168
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: Begi's Yeah Wow?

1169
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: And number one You Light Up My Life by Debbie Boone.

1170
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,599
Speaker 3: Wow. That's a stout list right there. It is it's

1171
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:53,000
December of seventy seven.

1172
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,079
Speaker 4: That is December of seventy seven.

1173
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: Yes, wow, amazing.

1174
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: I love the story about the recording of this, Okay.

1175
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:05,840
So the lyrics are this joyful occasion of a newfound

1176
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,480
love where I'm having so much fun hanging out with

1177
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,440
you because you make love and fun.

1178
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 3: Okay, not miserable like my not miserable like this efing

1179
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:17,400
guy who's standing right next to me.

1180
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:21,159
Speaker 4: So, while they were recording the song, Kiin Kalay, who's

1181
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:26,760
the producer, said that Stevie and Lindsay were singing these amazing,

1182
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:31,199
beautiful harmonies, and Kim Kalay is just loving what they're doing,

1183
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,960
and then when he hits cut or pause, they immediately

1184
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:51,639
go into name calling, screaming at each other, he said.

1185
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:53,840
While they were recording it, they were two Little Angels

1186
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,559
singing this beautiful harmony about how love is fun. Yeah,

1187
01:04:57,719 --> 01:04:59,519
and as soon as he would stop the music, they

1188
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:03,119
were like, you e f and suck all right. Next

1189
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:05,079
song on the album is a song called I Don't

1190
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:05,519
Want to Know.

1191
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: You hear this song and you want to go skipping

1192
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,360
down the beach going trila la trala la. You read

1193
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,679
the lyrics to the song and you're like, oh gosh,

1194
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:39,639
this is somebody who's very hurt. Really, yeah, okay, what

1195
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:41,639
do you got for me? We've all kind of been

1196
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:43,840
through it where you're like, I just want you to

1197
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,079
be happy, but really you're like this sucks, right, Like

1198
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,480
you keep saying that you want your X spouse or

1199
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:53,679
ex girlfriend or whatever to you know, I just want

1200
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:55,880
you to be happy, and that's I'll go on with that.

1201
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:58,280
But it's really about like you say you love me

1202
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,719
but you don't know anything, and I just, yeah, I

1203
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,599
want you to feel fine. Yeah you go, you love me? Yeah,

1204
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:06,000
I know you don't know whatever.

1205
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 4: So this is Stevie song. This is about Lindsay. This

1206
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:13,199
was the song that got on rumors instead of Silver Springs.

1207
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,719
This song was released as a single in Japan. Next

1208
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,400
song on the album, This song is called oh Daddy,

1209
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,280
Oh Daddy.

1210
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,599
Speaker 2: You know you make me cry.

1211
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: Fucking love?

1212
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:30,239
Speaker 5: What?

1213
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: Ah daddy?

1214
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,239
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is Christine McVie song. Yes, And did

1215
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,719
she write this about John McVie.

1216
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,039
Speaker 4: She wrote this about McK fleewood. So Mick Fleewood at

1217
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:47,320
the time was the only one who had kids, okay,

1218
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,679
and he was going through this nasty divorce with Jenny Boyd,

1219
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,159
who he had found out had was having an affair with.

1220
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: His best friend. This is a recurring story.

1221
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 4: Right, So just in case you didn't catch it, pain

1222
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,159
and heart is the main theme for this entire album.

1223
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 3: So we talked about how Lindsay had a rebound girl

1224
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:08,400
that he wrote the Never Going Back Again about who

1225
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:15,239
was Stevie's rebound guy. Stevie Nicks's rebound guy was Mick Fleetwood. Yeah,

1226
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,199
what I told you.

1227
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,519
Speaker 4: So we call, we talked to each other, and I

1228
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:21,599
told you that they had to keep that a secret.

1229
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 3: Well he's married.

1230
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:26,639
Speaker 4: Well he's married, and her lover, who's psychotic, is standing

1231
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,559
five feet to her left.

1232
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,119
Speaker 3: Oh gosh. Yeah, I saw Stevie talk about this and

1233
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:35,320
it was just like, this was just the worst idea

1234
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,360
ever and I think she did to this day regrets it.

1235
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:44,360
But yeah, Mick Fleetwood had secondhand news from Linduck, right,

1236
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,440
that's right.

1237
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you know that there's actually so more bad blood,

1238
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,840
more distaste, you know, more just hard feelings when Lindsay

1239
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,239
left the band eventually, which that to me is a

1240
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,719
great story. It's a cocaine fueled fistfight with Stevie Nicks.

1241
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,199
Lindsey Buckingham Stevie Nicks to the store. Well, okay, so

1242
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:07,480
I would love to talk about Tango in the Night,

1243
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:09,960
which is their nineteen eighty seven sort of comeback album,

1244
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:13,840
which it has some great songs on their like Little

1245
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:36,399
Eyes Everywhere, Seven Wonders and Big Love. Those are all

1246
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,239
top ten hits, yeah, right for those Yeah. So in

1247
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,439
the middle of this, they've just come out with these

1248
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,880
massive songs, this big album. It's their whole comeback thing,

1249
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,880
and they still hate each other. But Mick has gone

1250
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,680
through bankruptcy and Stevie has this massive cocaine habit.

1251
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean she's very successful in her own right, yes,

1252
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,640
but yes, the drug dealers are probably knocking at her door.

1253
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 4: Right, So Lindsay says, I'm not sure I want to

1254
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,199
do this and they're like, what do you mean to

1255
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:07,439
do this? He's like, I don't think I want a tour.

1256
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:11,199
They're like, well, see, we've already lined up the tour.

1257
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:15,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's already been planned. You signed on the dotted line.

1258
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,640
You know how this works.

1259
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,119
Speaker 4: We put out an album, then we tour. Yeah, and

1260
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:23,960
he goes nah and Stevie Nicks came off.

1261
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,399
Speaker 3: Might have had a little bit of cocaine in her

1262
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:27,159
system at the time.

1263
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 4: Sclevitated off the couch and flew over and tried. She says,

1264
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,239
in her own words, I tried to murder Lindsay bucking

1265
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,920
him and so she attacked him physically. And then when

1266
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,359
she realizes this is a bad idea. I'm outmatched here,

1267
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:45,640
she makes a run for it, and Lindsay goes after

1268
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,800
her and chases her down in the parking lot, catches

1269
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,119
her and starts to beat her up and throws her

1270
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,079
up against the hood of his car and like this

1271
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,680
is the big reunion thing and gets physical with her,

1272
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,600
and at that point they the other members break it up,

1273
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,920
and then Lindsey goes back in the house to say,

1274
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:05,680
oh boy, that was terrible. Anyway, let me finish what

1275
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,560
I'm saying and John mcviee is like, no, you gotta go, man,

1276
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,920
You're out. See Yeah, yeah, anyway, I would love to

1277
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,239
cover Tango in the Night at some point. Okay, this

1278
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,880
is the only song on the album that doesn't grab me.

1279
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:24,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, once again, it's kind of It's kind of like

1280
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,159
Hotel California, where I'm like, this is the worst song

1281
01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:28,840
on the album, and I still would listen to it.

1282
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,159
That's right, I absolutely would. I tell you, I read

1283
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:32,279
the book Making of Rumors.

1284
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 4: They make a big deal out of a mistake that

1285
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,880
Kim Koley makes when he was producing this song. Yeah,

1286
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,399
somehow he bumped something or hit something, or there was

1287
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,760
a technical error on this song. And it was one

1288
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,880
of those where they're like, oh, okay, we messed it up.

1289
01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:49,399
We'll come back and fix it. But it was one

1290
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,479
of those where its kind of long standing. What had

1291
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,279
happened was he bumped the d off of Daddy and

1292
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,079
so the song sounded like Addie for a long time.

1293
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,880
As a joke to dig him, they called it Addie

1294
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:02,640
for a long time.

1295
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,359
Speaker 3: Well, they were all addies at that point. What did

1296
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,319
you tell me about their drugs of choice?

1297
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 4: This so Christine, John and Mick loved booze, Lindsay loved pot,

1298
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:15,399
and Stevie loved all of it.

1299
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, throw cocaine into the mix.

1300
01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 4: Oh and cocaine.

1301
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:20,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah.

1302
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 4: By the way, According to the book Making of Rumors,

1303
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,920
cocaine showed up on the ninth day.

1304
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 3: Of recording and quickly everybody was on it. It took over. Yeah, Okay,

1305
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:37,079
it's fine. It can't hurt you. It's not even addictive, right,

1306
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,680
all right, just intensifies your personality. Yes, but what if

1307
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:49,399
you're an hoole? Am I allowed to still? Yes? Bill

1308
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,760
Cosby is the best, don't know. We can't say that anymore.

1309
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,159
Speaker 4: No, all right, last song on the album. This has

1310
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:58,880
got to be a throwaway track at this point.

1311
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,560
Speaker 3: This is junk, there's I mean, they're gonna just tag

1312
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,560
this on at the end. Oh this is gold dust woman.

1313
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,039
Speaker 2: Oh my god, back.

1314
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:22,319
Speaker 3: Daniel, Daniel. I'm gonna go out on a limb here

1315
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,319
and say this is a song about Lindsay.

1316
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1317
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 3: So, I wonder if the she that she's referring to

1318
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,319
in this is herself. I think so, because just in

1319
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,239
case you've missed it, it says, well, did she make

1320
01:12:37,319 --> 01:12:41,319
you cry, make you break down, shatter your illusions of

1321
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,399
love and is it over now? Do you know how?

1322
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,920
Pick up your pieces and go home. This is really

1323
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:50,840
like stop being such a little bit.

1324
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 4: And it's a give you chills on stage show stopping song.

1325
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: Take down.

1326
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: They go to and.

1327
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 3: I told you that we covered this song, and I

1328
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:20,119
will tell you I admit freely. I was not familiar

1329
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:22,520
with the Fleetwood Mac version of the song back in

1330
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,680
the mid nineties. What I was familiar with was the

1331
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,119
whole version of the song. Okay, and they I don't

1332
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:33,279
I'll just say it, I don't like whole but they

1333
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,760
absolutely took this up a notch. They took the edge

1334
01:13:37,279 --> 01:13:40,840
and sharpened it for this song. If you want to

1335
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,800
play a sample of it, this would be the perfect spot.

1336
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,279
But here's the whole version of this song.

1337
01:13:50,399 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 5: SLMs fantastic, pretty, pretty nasty.

1338
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:03,199
Speaker 1: You know.

1339
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 4: Along with that, you know what version Stevie Nicks says

1340
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,560
is the best version of this song. She got on

1341
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,039
stage and played this song with the Foo Fighters and

1342
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:14,279
when she got done, she said, that is the best

1343
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:14,840
version of.

1344
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 3: Gold Dust Womani Wow nice. I love to hear that

1345
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:18,560
this song is.

1346
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 4: So good that she had two different versions of the

1347
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,840
song on a demo and the demo that she didn't use.

1348
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:28,520
She rated those lyrics and that gave birth to the

1349
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,720
song if You Ever Did Believe, which she then performed

1350
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,039
with Sheryl Crow, which became the theme song of the

1351
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:36,159
movie Practical Magic.

1352
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1353
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:39,239
Speaker 4: So that brings us to the end of Rumors.

1354
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 3: It does.

1355
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:43,079
Speaker 4: So the big question that you and I are asking ourselves, Yes,

1356
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:47,760
if you're walking out the door, which album are you grabbing?

1357
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:50,199
Hotel California or Rumors?

1358
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,119
Speaker 3: So shall I go first? This song?

1359
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:52,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1360
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:58,399
Speaker 3: Go, okay? So these two albums are both literally perfect albums.

1361
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,319
There is there's no skipper, there's no filler, there is

1362
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,199
no song, like I said, worst song on the album

1363
01:15:05,359 --> 01:15:07,760
I would listen to every day. So we picked a

1364
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,520
couple of incredible winners. My god right, and at the

1365
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,479
time the world chose Rumors. They said this is the

1366
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,680
album of the year, and it beat out Hotel California.

1367
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,840
Now question is which of them stands the test of time,

1368
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,479
And the answer is both of them. Do both of them?

1369
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,239
Every freaking song on the album is still song. Are

1370
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:34,279
still songs that people are listening to today in the millions.

1371
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,960
So I could pick either one of these and walk

1372
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,239
out the door with it and have a fantastic car

1373
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:43,000
ride wherever I'm going to go. Yes, but we don't

1374
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,479
get to pick both on the show. And so I

1375
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,279
will say, and this again goes to this goes to

1376
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,760
history and nostalgia, because I have a history with one

1377
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,000
of these and less so with the other one. When

1378
01:15:54,039 --> 01:15:56,960
it comes to picking between two pieces of perfection, I

1379
01:15:57,079 --> 01:16:00,159
have to find something to land my balance on. My

1380
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:03,520
balanced lands with nostalgia. I've seen him in concert when

1381
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,479
I thought I never would, I grew up playing their music.

1382
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,760
And I have to say, comes down to it, you

1383
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,439
only pick one walking out the door, It's going to

1384
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:14,399
be Hotel California.

1385
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not surprised by your pick. I am surprised

1386
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,439
by my pick though, because I am such an Eagles fan.

1387
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:26,560
But after diving into Rumors, there is a variety of songs,

1388
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,039
There is a variety of singers and the amount of

1389
01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:37,640
show stopping give you chills songs on Rumors. Literally, the

1390
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,640
best thing that Lindsey Buckingham has ever done except Holiday Road,

1391
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:48,840
is on this album. The greatest songs that Christine mcvieh

1392
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,239
has ever written is on this album, and the greatest

1393
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:55,560
stuff that Stevie Nicks has ever written is on this album.

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Those are three incredibly gifted songwriters at the peak of

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the powers. So if I'm walking out the door, I

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can't lose literally close my eyes and pick one. But

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today I'm choosing Rivers.

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Speaker 3: I'm my mind is blown. I thought, sure this was

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we were both picking Hotel California. I would have bet

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one hundred dollars on it. We're both picking Hotel California.

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I can't believe it. Wow. And and don't think. Don't

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think that just because I picked one, he's picking the

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other one. That's not the way we do this. We

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have picked the same one many times, that's right. So yeah, wow,

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blew my mind. Well there you go, folks. You got

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one pick for Hotel California and one pick for Rumors.

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You guys, tell us what you think. Hit us up

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in the comments down below. Email us Shirleypodcast at gmail

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dot com. You can catch us on x you can

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catch us on Facebook. Tell us what you think is

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the best of these two albums. Jason, what have we

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got coming up for our next pair of episodes? Next week?

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We are going back in time? November fifth, nineteen fifty five.

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We're going back to the sixties.

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Speaker 4: I would say we are comparing stand by Me, the

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Rob Reiner classic, to the Sandlot.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: A day in the life of young boys just trying

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to figure out who they are in the.

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Speaker 3: World, reminiscing about the past, the old times. Yeah, it's

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gonna be fun. Yeah, guys, join us for that. Thank

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you so much for hanging out till the end of

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the episode. Don't forget to go to patreon dot com

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see you next week. Thanks say okay, great, before we jump,

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I better go get the manager.