WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.360 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:08.800 covering Foundation season two episode three, King and Commoner. 3 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:15.320 Welcome to Spacing Out. 4 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:19.199 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing Foundation 5 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:23.239 one episode at a time. Spoiler free. Foundation is currently 6 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.239 available to stream on Apple TV. This is our first 7 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.559 time watching a series, so we will not be watching 8 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.320 ahead and therefore we won't have any spoiler section or 9 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:34.399 any spoilers at all. May occasionally bring up some things 10 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:37.359 from the books. This episode is being released on two 11 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.799 different podcasts, so if you're listening via Spacing Out with Foundation, 12 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:42.960 I invite you to check out our main channel, Spacing 13 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.640 Out with BB and Jason, where we have covered other 14 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:49.119 shows and movies such as Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, Our, 15 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:53.240 Flag Means Death, Alien, and more. Today we are talking 16 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:57.679 about Foundation season two, episode three, King and Commoner. This 17 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.359 originally aired on July twenty eighth, two twenty three, Written 18 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:05.519 by lay Dana Jackson and Jane Esmondson and directed by 19 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:10.120 David S. Goyer. In this episode, Lady Demerzil recruits General 20 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:14.079 bell Rios from prison to investigate the Foundation, reuniting him 21 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.560 with his husband gleywyn Heer before leading a fleet to 22 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:21.200 the outer Reach, Harry, Gale, and Salvor visit UNA's world, 23 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.959 where Harry's consciousness has transferred into an organic body. With 24 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:30.519 the help of the mysterious Cali. While evading reactivated mining machines, 25 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.280 they retrieve Harry's body and escape the planet. Meanwhile, huber 26 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:39.040 Mallow steals the eye of Coral using teleportation technology. It's 27 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:41.840 captured and sentenced to death, but out smarts his captors 28 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.239 and escapes in the ship Polly. 29 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.439 Five check. Did we like the episode overall? 30 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:53.439 It was all over the place, but I liked it. 31 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.239 Yeah, definitely, Sana show that likes to like focus on 32 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.000 on one storyline. It's always jumping around. Yeah, but yet 33 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:05.120 overall I'm liking it. It's bringing in more characters that 34 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.439 are more interesting and saw a lot of things I'm 35 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.840 not understanding, but still here for it. You have anything 36 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:13.919 else to say about. 37 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.280 It, I'm waiting until we go to the deep dive 38 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:17.280 copy that. 39 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.840 Trivia time. What facts or news could we uncover for 40 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:24.759 King and Commoner? 41 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.479 Last time talked a little bit about the writer Jane Espenson. 42 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.280 We have another writer today. Lay Danna Jackson is known 43 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:35.719 for the Old Man, which is ANTHX TV series starring 44 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:39.520 Jeff Bridges and Raising Dion, so Netflix TV series about 45 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.639 a child superhero. And he's also worked a lot with 46 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.560 Spike Lee, including being his teaching assistant in n Yu 47 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:48.080 from the books. I think last week, maybe it was 48 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:52.199 two weeks ago bel Rios his name was mentioned. Now 49 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.120 we actually meet him, and then the storyline about rescuing 50 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:58.280 Hobert Mallow is the Roofs adaptation of one of the 51 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.039 sections of the first novel, and he's a very different 52 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.879 character than his book counterpart. The book version is a 53 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.879 hardened trader turned politician who is always very serious, and 54 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.560 the TV version, as we see, is a little more 55 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.080 comic relief. That's all the trivia I have. So let's 56 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:16.759 get into our discussion. 57 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.560 Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts 58 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.759 on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us 59 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.520 through email or social media. We may use your comments 60 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:32.039 on an upcoming episode. 61 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:40.360 So how about that internment camp? Huh yay, we're forced labor. 62 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:48.319 You think your society is advanced, and so you see 63 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:53.800 how the corporal punishment system operates. That's the real testament 64 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.080 to your society. I think, how do you punish people. 65 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:01.360 I think it's very interesting and not much changed in 66 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:07.319 our human existence, so I should have changed in a fantasy, right, Yeah, you. 67 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:12.120 Don't have Trantur without the opposite on other worlds. 68 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:16.199 Yeah, well were they mining the cocaine? What was that? 69 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.079 Something just piles. 70 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:25.160 A white pouter? Yeah, baking soda? What was it? 71 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:26.000 Not relevant? 72 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.639 It's just random white shit, And it didn't seem like 73 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.439 mining to me. Like when I think of mining, I 74 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:36.120 either think of like strip mining, which is like the 75 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.199 worst kind of mining, or. 76 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.000 Because you have to strip while you're doing. 77 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:43.639 It, Well that's not bad. No, it's because it like 78 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:47.680 gets rid of good Earth. You're you're digging down past 79 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.399 like the best layers of our like Earth's crust and 80 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:58.680 like the soil and rich like plantable like usable soils, 81 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.680 just to get to minerals and deposits that are below it. 82 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.079 I don't know, though, I don't know how viable like 83 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.800 coal mining, you know, like an area above a coal mine, 84 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.879 I don't know how fruitful it could be either. Based 85 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.920 on this show, it's like, you know, two feet thick 86 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.160 and you're done. So I don't know if that's like 87 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.399 enough for plants to find foothold for their root systems. 88 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.160 We also saw that the other planet that Gale and 89 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.720 then landed on that they had forget what they said. 90 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.000 They did those machines like pulled everything useful out of 91 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:34.639 the ground and that's why it was hollow like that. 92 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:38.240 Yeah, and then they turned towards the people scary. 93 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:39.279 I don't know. 94 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:44.079 I was interesting though, to see like a character that 95 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.000 Empire didn't agree with and punished that now he needs 96 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.920 him and he's like still being umpire about it. 97 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:56.360 Yeah, because it seems like he feared him more than 98 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.040 was like needing to punish him, like you needed to 99 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.079 keep him away because he had popularity. 100 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.959 Yeah, he's a popular person with who was probably like 101 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.959 could have been a better leader than him, to be honest, 102 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:16.439 But because they're so like committed to this like genetic line, 103 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.560 there's no opportunity for better leadership. I'm sad that we 104 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.199 didn't get to see what happened with him and his girlfriend. 105 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:27.120 Yeah. I guess they couldn't fit everything into one episode. 106 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:31.279 Jeez, But they seem to be able to fit him. 107 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:36.600 Watching the to the gay couple reuniting and Cassine while 108 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:41.680 he's being caressed by his robot stepmom. This show makes 109 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.879 really weird choices. Yeah, when it comes to that robot 110 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.439 lady and an empire. 111 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.120 Yeah, I'm not sure why they're doing that. But lots 112 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.240 of butts too, Oh yeah, lots of butts. Butts, but 113 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.480 never a never a penis shadow. Never a penis shadow 114 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.360 your or balls. Your balls don't have low enough for 115 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.519 us to see anything between your legs, which to me 116 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:09.560 doesn't make sense no at all, because I took a 117 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:14.120 lot of like figure drawing classes, and testicles like are 118 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:19.399 ever present even from the back, depending on the angle, 119 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.680 you know. I thought it was kind of a power 120 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.399 move for him to be like, no, I'm not going 121 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.319 to shower and clean up fuck that. He made me this, 122 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.279 so he has to sit with this, and that was 123 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.120 like I really respected that. And even when he was 124 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:40.240 like negotiating his like freedom, he's like, nah, nah, not 125 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.879 just me, freedom for everybody here. And obviously that's not 126 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.839 going to happen, but hopefully he did manage to get 127 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:52.079 better working conditions for them. Yeah, I guess we just 128 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.800 have to trust empire. Yeah. 129 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.199 I don't think I trust Empire. I don't know. 130 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:01.040 It's interesting that this is demersals kind of idea to 131 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:04.839 bring him into this, and like she's kind of making 132 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:06.480 decisions within the empire. 133 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.879 I think that's kind of her point of being like 134 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.439 a seductress, right, She's probably tired of sitting on the 135 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:20.560 sidelines and watching empires slowly turn the ship into the 136 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.199 fucking iceberg. You know, like she can see it, even 137 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.800 though she doesn't know psychohistory or whatever the fuck they 138 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:32.279 called it, she can clearly see that there's a pattern 139 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:35.480 here for this dumb ass to like do dumb ass shit. 140 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.639 And she's finally stepping in and using emotional and physical 141 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.279 manipulation to have a say in how things are run. 142 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:47.120 And I feel like women have had to resort to 143 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:51.519 this type of quote unquote manipulation because they're not seen 144 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:55.679 as like leaders. And I don't know if this show 145 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:59.360 really sees women as leaders in a way that's like impactful, 146 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:04.399 because like it's kind of minor. But like when they 147 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:09.720 were landing on that planet, Harry was like, let me 148 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.440 land us and the girls just like let go of 149 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:15.799 the reins and let Jesus take the wheel. And I'm like, 150 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:22.240 that's very subtle and most people wouldn't recognize it, but 151 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:25.159 it's just like to me, it's very overt, like let 152 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:31.279 this white man, this older white man, take over the driving, 153 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:34.240 let him have the front seat. And it's just like 154 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:35.519 I don't. 155 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:40.039 Know everything in their storyline, like Gale and Salvoard, like 156 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:43.039 no power over anything happening. No, they're kind of they 157 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.120 make one decision to leave and that doesn't work out. Yeah, 158 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:49.240 And I mean there's one character I really don't like 159 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:53.039 in this show. It is Harry Selden. And initially I 160 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.440 thought like, well, that's fine because I know he's not 161 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.039 going to be around very long. Like as a book reader, 162 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.399 I knew like he kind of exits the story just 163 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.080 the idea of him is out there. But she's like 164 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.639 deeply entrenched in this. Yeah, and now now he's a 165 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:11.399 person again. Yeah, so now he's a full on character. Yeah. Yeah, 166 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.120 he's just so arrogant. 167 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.799 And I don't like the way that he behaves around 168 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:19.519 these women of color, how he's like choking them and 169 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:26.279 like and like manipulating them and like misleading them in 170 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.399 a lot of ways, like oh, I said it was 171 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:34.320 gonna be five hundred meters horizontally, like you asshole, And 172 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.679 she didn't bring enough water, like you are not a 173 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.320 corporal bean right now. You don't realize how fucked up 174 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.279 that is that you didn't tell her. Maybe you should 175 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.440 bring an extra water bottle. It's gonna be a long 176 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.639 trip and she's got to come back alone. I'm interested 177 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:54.120 to see how that lady in that cave kind of 178 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.559 comes into play, what her role is other than turning 179 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.879 water into wine or whatever she did to make him 180 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.759 a person. Very interesting. I think she's one of the 181 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.720 ladies that he was like talking to when he was 182 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:09.879 stuck in that prism. 183 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:10.480 Yeah. 184 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.919 Yeah, so it's like I don't know what her role 185 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.080 is or what she does or I don't know. It's 186 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:20.559 very mysterious, and I kind of like that. Usually when 187 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:22.639 there's a mystery in this show, I fucking hate it. 188 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.960 And according to Gail, that woman should be long dead 189 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:29.360 as well. 190 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:33.000 Yeah, but so should she. So shut up, Gail, who 191 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:33.720 are you to talk? 192 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:39.519 Go talk to your daughter some really having parental issues. 193 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.039 Well, she just got like informed that she's gonna die. 194 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.399 Trying to deal with her mortality is kind of hard. 195 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:51.360 Yeah, it's interesting that, like there's two kind of weird, 196 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:55.960 omniscient things happening where the prime Radiant is making a 197 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.559 decision for them to like to go to this place 198 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.360 and do this thing that gives Harry a body, and 199 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.879 that's not how the psychohistory thing is supposed to work. 200 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.519 And they all acknowledge that. So we're like why how 201 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:12.879 did this happen? And then also on terminus the same thing, 202 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:17.080 they're saying, like psychohistory shouldn't know about one individual person. 203 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:22.919 It's all about like, you know, the movement of massive mass. Yeah, yeah, 204 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:26.480 so it's calling for hober Mallow and like how does 205 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.279 he even know this single person exist? 206 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.080 I don't know, Maybe that teleport device is somehow vital 207 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.639 or something, because that seems like a really important invention. 208 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:43.519 Uh and uh, that guy was interesting. I did like him. 209 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.960 I liked how he's kind of like finessing that leader 210 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.399 and that scene where he was getting tied down to 211 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:57.879 that like Pike thing. Yeah, that feels like somebody's like 212 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.960 it's a mixture of like Nazi Germany and like the 213 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:08.960 Jim Crows House where there were lyncheans and public and stuff, 214 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.799 and it's just like again, like this idea of corporal 215 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:19.000 punishment is very prominent in this world, Like what do 216 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:23.480 you do with your criminals or perceived criminals because in 217 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:27.279 both of these cases, like it didn't seem like the 218 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.200 person had a proper trial. It didn't seem like they 219 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:34.879 really hurt anybody, and they didn't to me, like whatever 220 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:37.879 that rock he's like, they could have just taken the 221 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:39.919 rock back and led it, told him like you're banned 222 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:44.080 from this planet and called it good. But they're like, no, 223 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.840 we're gonna strap your ass down and put you in 224 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.799 this cool hoodie. 225 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:51.600 Because you have to wear the thing with a target 226 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:53.200 on you. It would miss. 227 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:56.120 No what if it did miss? What if he like, 228 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.519 you know when you sit down and your shirt goes 229 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.679 up a little, what was like the target was way 230 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:04.639 too high and it was off target on his belly 231 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:05.519 button or something. 232 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.240 I think it was big enough to kill himself. 233 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:10.879 Yeah. 234 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.600 That so we see them execute one guy first. He 235 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.320 didn't get final words or no, they're like. 236 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:19.919 Prisoner number one execute boom. 237 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:21.639 Yeah. 238 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.639 You know what it reminded me of. You know when 239 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:26.679 you click a pen and the little pen comes down, 240 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:32.679 that's what it gave you click click, and then they 241 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.159 retracts and they use the same rusted point for the 242 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:46.840 next guy. Very medieval, very Spanish inquisition, very Catholic. I 243 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.960 don't know. It was uh. I think that was the 244 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.559 liveliest scene in the whole episode. And then one thing 245 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.279 that did bother me was when he gave his speech 246 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:00.799 and he's like making new friends. Then he looks at 247 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.080 the girl with the blue eyes that shouldn't have blue 248 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.000 eyes because she's a brown person, and it just feels 249 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.440 like she's an alien or something. I don't know, Like 250 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.600 those gotta be contacts, right, they look so scary on her, 251 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.960 like freaky. But I are they trying to like do 252 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.519 a love connection there? I don't he when they do 253 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.000 that where it's like, oh, well you're a pretty young 254 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.679 woman and he's a handsome young man and so about 255 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.279 a being a bad a boom love try it love interest? 256 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.519 I don't know, because he did like do that thing 257 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.200 where he landed on top of her and there's an 258 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:34.919 awkward moment. 259 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.039 Yeah, so so lame. It's so lame. And I thought 260 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.360 she was a woman of the cloths. I thought there 261 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:46.600 was like a abstinence or something there. What is she doing? 262 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:53.159 She's not serious about her magic Mojo jojo red religion. 263 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:57.320 Rules about that, I guess, and also spreading the good 264 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.200 news of the Foundation and then and. 265 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.600 Like she injected him with that shit that sobers you up. Right, 266 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.440 That's what that was. That's what it looked like. 267 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:07.759 I'm not sure. 268 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.720 I'm not sure if he's just started throwing up, I'm like, 269 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:12.679 he must have been high off his mind. 270 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:17.440 Then. Yeah, he definitely brings a little different energy to 271 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.559 the show. Yeah, he feels like he could be out 272 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.519 of Was it that new Dungeon and Dragons movie? 273 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:29.399 Oh yeah with Crispine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he gave that energy. 274 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.759 I thought you were gonna say, Hitchhiker's Guide to the 275 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:39.480 Galaxy maybe a little, a little Ford prefect. I'm still 276 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.120 on the fence about this show. I know a lot 277 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.320 of people really really love it, but there's just like 278 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:50.879 certain elements that feel very like microaggressions, Like things that 279 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:54.559 are so subtle that somebody wouldn't notice them unless they 280 00:16:54.720 --> 00:17:00.639 are hyper tuned to like stuff like that. Also, like 281 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:06.599 the scene with the two men reuniting when he finally 282 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:10.680 cleaned himself up, it took forever for them to embrace 283 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.799 and kiss, and then they didn't let you see the 284 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.279 real kiss. You had to watch like a second hand 285 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.559 version of the kiss. So that was also very like 286 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.160 I don't know, like it felt weird. It also felt 287 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.519 weird that we were watching them kiss through Empire's eyes, 288 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:33.359 Like I don't know, it's giving Empire like really pervate vibes. 289 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.400 And I know he's not supposed to be likable, but 290 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:39.359 I thought we agreed that he's not the villain, So 291 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:42.359 what is he? There seems to be like a higher 292 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:47.640 level threat like approaching, So what is the role of 293 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:53.839 Empire now, Like it's like, what is the failing government 294 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:59.000 like grasping to like survive flailing? Yeah, but what's the 295 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:02.680 significance of that? Whenever we have bigger fish to fry, 296 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.119 one government failing. I mean there's got to be hundreds 297 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:10.799 of factions right in a universe. I'm interested to see 298 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:14.960 what the General finds in the outer Reach and how 299 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:19.200 he approaches it because I feel like, I don't know why, 300 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.200 but I feel like I can trust him. Maybe it's 301 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.880 because I saw him as an enslaved person who was 302 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.359 helping other enslaved people, and you don't see that in 303 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:28.000 this show. 304 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:30.640 Yeah, I mean that's a quick shortcut to be like, hey, 305 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:35.240 this is a good guy. Yeah, and he's he's loyal 306 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.359 to the Empire, but he seems to make it clear 307 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.680 that like is because he actually cares about the people. 308 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.799 Well, and I think he cares about the role that 309 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:47.559 he plays in a larger society. Like he understands Empire 310 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.680 is our faction right now and so and I made 311 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.720 a commitment to serve the public that you serve. So 312 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.039 it's not like a commitment to Empire himself. It's it's 313 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.599 a commitment to the people, which I completely understand. Yeah, Like, 314 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.880 I may not like who you are, what you represent, 315 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.160 but at the end of the day, you are the 316 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.680 government for all of these people, and those people all 317 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:18.240 need protection, and you're not good at giving it to them, 318 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.039 So I'm gonna do it. 319 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:24.559 Empires two disconnected from the people to care about them. 320 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:26.920 I feel like he has no idea what the people 321 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.839 are like. If he sees like the way that he 322 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:33.160 sees the people is probably like the ones who are 323 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.759 trying to kill him. They're the ones to control. They 324 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:42.279 don't to him, they symbolize like his ability to control. 325 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:47.039 And so I think he doesn't understand that the people 326 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:50.240 can Well maybe he does now because he hadn't for 327 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:53.519 a long time. The people can also be his downfall. 328 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:58.559 It's like that scene in the movie A Bugs Life 329 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:05.640 where the grasshoppers are like telling the bugs like the 330 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:10.000 ants specifically, like that they work for them. But then 331 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:14.920 the ants realize, we're like way bigger, Like there's twenty 332 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.480 of you and one hundred of us. We can overpower you, 333 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.440 we can say no. And I feel like Empire doesn't 334 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.119 see that, and that's I think that's gonna be the 335 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:29.000 cause of his downfall ultimately, is him not seeing the 336 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.720 power in people becaus little as they may be together, 337 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:38.319 they can form like strong opposition. And I think that's 338 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.240 why the Foundation is finally seen as a threat. He 339 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.720 didn't realize he gave them power by putting them so 340 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.359 far out of reach. Yeah, he thought he was being 341 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:49.920 clever by putting them all the way out there, you. 342 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:54.480 Know, because as his power is drinking and like they're 343 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.240 losing the outer planets and the Foundation is out there 344 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:01.559 on the outer rim scooping them up with their their 345 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:03.920 door to door Bible salesman. 346 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.319 Yeah, very interesting. I do. I do see the lure 347 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.640 of that kind of ideology of saying, like, you know, 348 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:17.200 do not trust these men in high places because they 349 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.680 don't have you your best interest in mind. Like I 350 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:24.640 like that, and I think it's interesting that they're exploring that. 351 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.759 I don't know, I'm interested to see more, for sure. 352 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.559 I feel like the show's finally peaking my interest in 353 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:33.359 a way that's not annoyance. 354 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:42.480 Well, that's good. One more interesting thing to note when 355 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.039 Harry and Gale were walking across the sand, that he 356 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.839 wasn't leaving footprints. I thought that was a nice little detail. 357 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.279 I thought it was weird that he wouldn't just jump 358 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:55.599 from one position to a next like a like a mirage, 359 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:57.759 you know, I mean he could have. It would have 360 00:21:57.759 --> 00:21:59.920 been cool if he did, just to show how inhuman 361 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.640 he is, you know. I think that was too subtle 362 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.039 to say he doesn't leave footprints. It would have been 363 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.599 funnier if he was like standing next to Gale and 364 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:09.160 then all of a sudden, he's like twenty foot of 365 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:14.440 hoever and he's like, come on, bitch, hurry up, and 366 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.680 she's like sweating, you know, Like, I don't know, it 367 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.680 would have been fun. I feel like they could have 368 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:25.599 played with that more, because, especially if they were gonna 369 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.960 turn him human, they should have like definitely played up 370 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:32.319 his inhumanness way more. Because the way they did it 371 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.039 was super subtle, and if you weren't watching the well 372 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:37.640 like close enough, you would have missed it that she 373 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.000 was like sweating her balls off and he was still 374 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.680 clean and pristine and that white shirt. 375 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.880 I don't know. He's been in human for the last 376 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.599 like several episodes, jumping around the ship all the time. Yeah, yeah, 377 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:51.640 but I would have liked to seen it in the desert. 378 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.119 Any other thoughts, then let's talk about an astral queen. 379 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:02.359 Astral Queen was the stand out character in the episode. 380 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:08.079 I'm gonna give it to that guy that they mentioned 381 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:12.960 before they fried, that homeboy forget his name, global Marshmallow. 382 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:13.559 Before they fried. 383 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:16.519 Remember in the last episode, the last thing you saw 384 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:17.559 was that man get. 385 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:24.559 Is generated marshall over mouth Yeah yeah, also known as 386 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:28.880 Marshmallow from henceforth. I mean he was on my mind 387 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:33.720 too for this is because he was such a dea, yeah, 388 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:35.839 and he was one step ahead of everyone. 389 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.319 And he gave that energy that you're not getting from 390 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:42.240 this show, Like this show desperately needed some sort of 391 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.640 like like a lightheartedness. 392 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.119 Yeah. Like I mentioned in trivia that the book version 393 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.960 of him is very hard and serious, and it'd be 394 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:54.359 very be another dull character yeah. 395 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:58.119 Like, I'm already tired with Gail and how their homegirl 396 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:04.240 having really sad, boring basic conversations about the future. Uh, 397 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:07.599 it's still boring, Like I'm falling asleep whenever those two talk. 398 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:13.200 There's no chemistry whatsoever there, And I'm really sad because 399 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:15.920 that's supposed to be mother daughter. I don't know why 400 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.920 they did that to themselves. They should have put them 401 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.960