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Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve sec breakdown, Tom Ochilt's Down.

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Britch is here with you with a comprehensive look at

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both the Big Twelve and Southeastern Conferences.

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Speaker 2: We begin, as we do each and every week, with

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our hot takes.

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Speaker 1: Tom will save the basketball talk for another week. We

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get one more week of football discussion here before we

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have to talk to some hoops in the coming weeks.

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But my hot take this week, Tom, and I'll be honest,

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I think a lot of enough people grew with me

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that it's not that hot of a take, but I'll

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go ahead and say it anyway. It is a disgrace Tom,

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that Alabama is going to be in.

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Speaker 2: The college football playoff. It's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but with them not playing

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this week and a number of teams off, and where

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the committee put them in the rankings, it's a foregone

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conclusion to this point. And as a three loss team

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that lost to Oklahoma a couple of weeks ago got

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their ass beat they lost to Vandy, a six win

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team earlier in the year, that team has no business

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being in the playoff. And it's not for me, just

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the fact they're a three loss team, Tom, They're not

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even the most deserving of SEC teams to potentially be

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in the playoffs. South Carolina is playing better than them

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right now. South Carolinas just had a nice non conference

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win against Clemson this past week.

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Speaker 2: They're playing really well.

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Speaker 1: Old Miss you could make a case for, but I

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would say Alabama's more deserving than Old Miss.

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Speaker 2: But I take South Carolina over Alabama and the inn Miami.

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Speaker 1: They barely lose to a pretty decent Syracuse team and

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they're out of it now with two losses. To me,

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it's you know what, does our buddy Tim Brando say,

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the pure playoff privileged? That's what Alabama is. We're always

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making some excuse someway or another for Alabama. And last

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year I didn't have too much of a problem with

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Alabama geting again over Florida State because Florida State we

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all knew was a fraud, they didn't have Jordan Travis,

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they weren't gonna do anything.

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Speaker 2: But this situation, it.

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Speaker 1: Feels like Tom the Committee is going out of their

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way to include Alabama in this and they don't deserve

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to be there. They're not that good of a football

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team right now. They would be facing Notre Dame. I

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don't even think Notre Dame's that great either, but I

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think Notre Dame would be would beat them by at

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least ten points.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's just ridiculous at this point.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the Big ten SEC Invitational when when

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you include a three loss Alabama team in this.

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Speaker 3: Thing, yeah, it's in honestly, Jones, and you can't reward.

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It's so crazy. People have been like, oh well, people

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have joking said, yeah, Blabama's gonna find a way in,

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you know, and then it was kind of good with sarcasm, right,

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and then here they are they do like what.

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Speaker 2: No, and they didn't even do anything. It's not like that.

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Speaker 3: They blew the best win.

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Speaker 2: Their best win is Georgia.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and they almost blew that game.

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Speaker 2: They played one good quarter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and they're gonna put them in there?

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What you know it would be, so it's gonna happen.

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Alabama was gonna at least make it the semi final.

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Speaker 2: Oh please, no, well he's.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, and like, so what the loser of

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the SEC championship game is gonna get the fifth scene?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: And then what is Alabama gonna be nine to ten eleven.

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Speaker 2: Alabama's gonna be like ten or eleven right now, They're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be They're gonna be higher. This is what's jack.

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They're gonna be higher than the Big twelve loser.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Big twelve losers not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Make it, see, which okay, So rather they're gonna get in.

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Speaker 2: Over the loser.

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Speaker 3: Between Iowa, say and Arizona, and that should not happen.

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Speaker 1: SMU might drop their second game of the year of

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the ACC title game and potentially could be left out

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in Alabama gets in.

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Speaker 3: See, and then that's the goal post are always gonna

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be moved. People are gonna be like, well, no, we

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just need to go back to this or more teams

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or whatever. And sure they can eventually open it up

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to more. But if they're just gonna put Alabama in

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every year, just say that, right, like if you can,

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if you can not make your conference championship game and

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get in over other teams that deserve it, like you

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could say, Miami probably deserves it more. Uh, you the

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loser of the Big twelve championship game, deserve is it more?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean why you lost two games and

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they're not even in the conversation, right.

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Speaker 3: And they played well all year. Yeah, and and then

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you're just I would like to see Bama in provo

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in a late night game, get all the get all

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the Mormons hopped up on hot chocolate and uh cougar tails,

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and let's see what Let's see what goes. I can't

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say the b R you wouldn't oh one of the

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worst season since Molly Wop that the OU game in

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itself should disqualify Alabama.

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Speaker 2: I agree. You know, if you want to put a three.

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Speaker 3: Should have been in that should have been.

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Speaker 1: If you want to put a three loss SEC team in, fine,

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not even if you want to put a three loss

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SEC team in town, fine, put South Carolina in. South

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Carolina's more deserving than Alabama. They're not even the best

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three loss SEC team. That's what's so ridiculous about this.

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Speaker 3: Right, and arguably from just the game standpoint, I'm like,

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who South Carolina lost to?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: LSU? I don't think of the other losses. I mean,

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they've they have a better resume I think than Bama.

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I mean, Shara Obama has Georgia. But you know, South Carolina,

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if you want to look at it from a whole season, standpoint,

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I think South Carolina could beat Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, South Carolina lost to Bama by two on the

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road in mid October. Right, we've been told so much

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about it, tests Right, what have you done for me lately?

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South Carolina beats the crap out of Oklahoma, who Alabama

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got beat badly by.

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Speaker 2: They beat the crap out of Texas A and M.

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Speaker 1: They stomped Vandy, they beat Missou, gotta win against Watford,

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had a nice win against Clemson. They've been arguably as

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hot as any team in the country the last two months.

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a way to make an exception for Bama. I'm h

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It's frustrating, but I'm not surprised. That's the most disappointing

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part of it all. Honestly speaking, Tom, which direction do

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you want to go with your hot take this week?

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Speaker 3: Jones hot take this week, I'm gonna go a little

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different route than about the football games. I'm gonna go

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more so on what we found out today. The day

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that we're recording this, Oklahoma State fires Brian Nardo and

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Casey Dunn, thank God, and I think they sit down

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Gundhy in the meeting that they had, and I think

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we might not ever know this. I think we'll know

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by the look on Gundhy's face and the press conference

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that will eventually be happening sometimes soon. And my hot

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take is that we are going to see Mike Gundy

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have a great year next year with two new coordinators.

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I know they're talking. There has been mentions about Zach Robinson.

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up there, further than they should be in the defensive rankings.

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that LSU is going to hire is going to be

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nine and day difference from what we saw at a

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Nardo and Casey done. And I think Gundy takes this

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OSU team almost to the conference championship next year. I

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think really the hottest part of this is they're going

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to get both of these hires right. I don't know

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who they are yet, but I believe in Chad Weiberg

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the AD and Casey Shrum as the president. And I

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think they get these two hires right, and OSU Football

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starts next season. Uh, with a pretty good test in

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Eugene against Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Well, what their big problem is that they don't have

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the NIL money. They need people like you to be

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donating to their NIL fund and get on the competitive

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level to compete. And Gundy hasn't embraced in I l

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in the transfer portal the way they should.

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Speaker 2: And well they.

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Speaker 3: Did lose an OU commit because or commit to OU.

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Speaker 1: Yeah watch the quarterback. Yeah that's that to me. Like,

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I think the game has passed gundhy by. I think

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that this all likely will be the end of Mike

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gundhy and Stillwater after this upcoming year. I think it's

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gonna be another disappointing season. He'll likely be done.

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Speaker 3: But you could also go another route. As the time

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we're taping this, there is an emergian emergency there. It's

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Regents and emergency put together Board of Regents emergency meeting

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tomorrow morning, which will be Thursday at the time we're

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recording this, and a lot of people are also saying, well,

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what do you mean in emergency meeting? We already we

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already fired the people that were going to fire done

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and Nardo are gone. What if the emergency meeting. Is

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Mike Gundy retiring. That's been another take floating around.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would be announcing his retirement if

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he was firing his coordinators, so but never know, We'll see.

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Speaker 3: How I guess. I guess if he announced his retirement,

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he wouldn't fire them, just the AD would end up

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firing them.

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Speaker 1: Since since we're talking coaching, let's, uh, let's go over

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some of those changes.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with UH. With West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Finally fired mil Brown Tom We've only been calling it

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for what three years?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, about three seasons.

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Speaker 2: And it finally happened.

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Speaker 1: Coaching searches on, I think they're gonna end up taking

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a big, swinging dick move. And you know, you've got

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Pat McAfee as heavily involved.

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Speaker 2: And they said that would be something.

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Speaker 1: They say that he's gonna be involved in the coaching

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search and he's got some nil stuff he's working on

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with his alma mater. Pat McAfee is not gonna be

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West Gindi's head coach. You're not going to have Chuck

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Pagano as his d C and Darius.

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Speaker 3: You imagine that would be the white Dion.

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Speaker 1: It would be I've heard that comparison before, you know,

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get get all his cronies, you know, Tone Diggs and

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and uh and Tyler and company on staff.

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Speaker 2: I know that's not happened.

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Speaker 3: Dion versus Pat McAfee on each sideline, Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: That's not happening. But what I do think they're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go with a national championship winning

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coach that's from the state of West Virginia. I'm calling

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it right now, Jimbo Fisher is gonna be the next

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head coach of the Mountaineers.

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Speaker 3: I read something today that Jimbo Fisher was not taking

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that job. Didn't they get wasn't even Saban mentioned in

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helping West Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's from the state. But I mean when people

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Speaker 1: Well I heard he's you know, he already said he

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wasn't gonna take the job. You know, Nick Saban said

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he wasn't gonna be the head coach at Alabama. Even

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more recently, Ryan Grubb said he wasn't gonna be the

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offensive coordinator of the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, money talks. You can find ways to make

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Speaker 1: I think realistically, after getting fired from A and M.

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If Jimbo wants to get back and coaching anytime soon, realistically,

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West Virginia is about as good as he could ask

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for right now. I think that would be a good

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fit for both parties involved, and that would add some

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excitement to that uh that that team that needs a

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bit of juice right.

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Speaker 3: Now, you know, I could it would be very interesting.

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place to land. Is actually probably be a pretty cush landing. Honestly,

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you have a team that hasn't been really good since

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Nothing too crazy that wouldn't be That wouldn't be too

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bad of a place. I don't know this Yahoo Sports guy,

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he I don't know. His credential is the Ross Dellinger guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great writer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he said it's not happening, But well, I mean,

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who is he? I mean, you know, we'll see. I've heard.

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I've also heard you know another one, Lincoln Riley to US.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lincoln City.

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Speaker 1: He's not leaving USC, but hey, I'm sure USC would

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be interested in him. Leaving them. They might they might say, yeah,

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you you go take that job, you know that buyout

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and all that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no you can just take him,

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Speaker 1: We've seen more coaches do that recently, specifically at college basketball,

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with John cal Pari leaving Kentucky for Arkansas. You know,

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and Arkansas has been pretty decent. Yeah, I think that's

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worked out for Arkansas. Mark Pope's got a good team.

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Speaker 2: There. I said, we weren't talking college basketball day.

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Speaker 3: And here we are just having a sneak in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened as I'm watching Kansas lose to Creighton

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that changes.

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Speaker 3: To another room. I've heard fly around, and I think

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it's more wishful thinking. What about kil Gundhi too, s U.

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Speaker 2: I can see that should happen. Actually, that's who they

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should hire.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I wonder if he's interested. And I would love

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to have been at that Thanksgiving this year.

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Speaker 2: That's enough OSU talk. Let's talk about actual head coaches. Now.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, you're killing me with coordinator talk. Geez ucf.

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Gus mal Zon's out. I kind of mentioned this with Gundhi.

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I think the same can be said about Gus. I

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think the game had passed by Gus His you know,

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brilliant offense that he had at one point, the spread

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option with Cam Newton and all that it didn't evolve.

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Speaker 2: People caught up to it, and he didn't adapt like

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he should have. And they've gotten.

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Speaker 1: Worse by a lot from when they left the American

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for the Big Twelve. And there's really no excuse for

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it because they've got plenty of money there at you see,

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if they got a giant alumni base, and we've seen

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schools like Arizona State and BYU who entered around the

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same time competing at a much better level.

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Speaker 2: I think you see f as a sleeping giant.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great job, one of, if not

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the best jobs in the Big Twelve potentially. And the

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name that I've heard that I think would be a

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good fit Tom Jamie Chadwell at Liberty.

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Speaker 2: He's been a winner at Liberty.

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Speaker 1: He was awesome at Coastal Carolina, developed Graces McColl they've

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taken a step back since he left there. He's a

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brilliant recruiter. He's waiting for the right opportunity. I think

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Jamie Chadwell would be a home run for UCF if

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they could pull him off.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that he wasn't, you know, didn't get poached,

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maybe even last year. I think you're right. I think

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his time's coming to go to a bigger program. I

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could see it happening. I mean, wouldn't be a bad

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hire for them, I think. And like you said, they're

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kind of in a rough spot right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, whose job's better West Virginia job or the

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UCF job.

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Speaker 2: Well, UF, it's not even close.

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Speaker 3: Man, Maybe it's not even more money?

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Speaker 2: Is that more money? And you're in the state of Florida?

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with West Virginia?

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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you serious?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding, Okay, Okay, I was about to say, I

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mean a lot easier recruit, like you don't even have

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to leave the state of Florida now you're looking for there.

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I mean, yeah, you see, I think it is a

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great job, and I think Jamie Chadwell would be a

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really good fit for them potentially if.

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Speaker 2: If they go that route. But yeah, those those jobs

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intrigued me for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, so those are as of right now, those

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are the only big job openings at the moment. Obviously,

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there's still a lot of time things could change. But nonetheless, Tom,

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let's talk about this, uh, these conference championship games. We

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kind of already talked about the college and ball playoff

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picture and worre things stack up well. Actually, let me

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go ahead and pull up the the playoff rankings and

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more things stack up at the moment as we head

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into championship weekend here and you know, the number one

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seed Oregon. They take on Penn State this week. Penn State,

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of course, is the number three seed. The winner of

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that game will get a first round by and be

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the Big Ten champion when it's all said and done.

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Texas taken out Georgia this week. The winner of that

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game wins the SEC gets the first round by. You know,

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I think both these teams are a good spot. I

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would say that there's a decent chance they meet up

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in the playoffs as well. Tom, Like, I think if

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your Texas or Georgia, you would like to win this

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game and have the first round by, but it's not

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the end of the world, because you're gonna be in

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the playoffs either way. You're likely gonna play in a

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home game even if you lose this this conference championship

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between these two teams here, I think I leaned towards

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Georgia in the SEC title game. I think Carson Beck's

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been playing better as of late. They've gotten better at

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the line of scrimmage. They own Texas the last time

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they played. I don't really trust quinn yours right now.

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Quinn's been a mess, and Texas they got the best

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defense they've had in years. But I don't know what

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I'm gonna get out of quinn Ewers right now. I

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like Carson Beck more than I do quinn Ewers, And

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you know me, I haven't been a big Carson Beck

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fan by any stretch of the imagination either, But this game,

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I lean towards Carson Beck. And I think George's got

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a better chance to make a playoff runt than Texas

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does right now.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you I think so too. Kirby Smart in

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that game, just you know, you win at dk R

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and you know some about Kirby Smart. Yes he did lose,

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they did lose to Alabama, but some about Kirby Smart

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over Steve Sarkesan seems like it's it seems like Kirby

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could be like Sarks kryptonite in some ways, like we're

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gonna see this matchup many more times over, however, many

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more years unless one of them retires. And it's some

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about it feels like Texas's newest nightmare is going to

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be Georgia or they're like, we can't get over this

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Georgia hump damn it, Like come on, there's gotta be

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a way, kind of like the Bills and the Chiefs. Honestly, yeah,

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Texas is just trying to find any way to beat

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Georgia right now.

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Speaker 1: If the playoff began today, if Georgia beat Indiana in

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the opening round, we would have a Texas Georgia rematching

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the Sugar Bowl for a third meeting if that were

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to happen.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we very well could be seeing this yere

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in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: But I leaned towards Texas there you look at the

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rest of the playoff picture where things stack up.

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Speaker 2: SMU at the three spot. They're taking on of course.

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Speaker 1: Clemson this week, and with SMU Tom it's a great

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story and I think they'll beat Clemson. But I'll be honest,

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I would be very surprised if we see SMU in

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the semi finals.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to envision them getting past these

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teams like Notre Dame or even Alabama or Penn State.

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Like as much as I hate to say it, like

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you know that that's that's a fun offense and everything,

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but I'm not I'm not completely bought into what SMU

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can can do here. I think they win this week,

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but I don't think that's a team that's got much

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of a playoff fight.

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Speaker 3: Does it feel like, you know, I'm trying to I mean,

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I guess TCU did beat Michigan in the playoff a

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couple of years ago. Does it feel like one of

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those teams where, yes they're pretty good, Yes they are deserving,

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but when the when the kookie crumbles, they're gonna get

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that ass whooped.

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Speaker 2: It does feel that. Yes, Yeah, it lost to BYU

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at home right right. I was there. I saw that

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it wasn't good. It wasn't impressive at all.

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Speaker 1: Now the big debate Boise State, Tom, I know you're

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a master debater, so I figured that you'd have an

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opinion on this. Boise State as the number four seed, No,

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LV this week? Are they more deserving of that number

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four spot? If they win the Mountain West Championship, then

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the Big Twelfth champion, whether that be Arizona State or

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if it's if it's Iowa State. Right now, Arizona State

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holds the twelfth spot, and you know that would that

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that would flip if Arizona State loses.

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Speaker 2: And Iowa State gets in.

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Speaker 1: But for me, like Boise State, the most impressive thing

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they did all season was lose to number one Oregon

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in a close game on the road. That's the most

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impressive thing they've done this year. Gent's been fantastic. I

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understand the committee would love to have him in the

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playoffs and all that, but it's so disrespectful to the

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Big twelve and the Big Twelve. I know that they

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don't have the teams at the top, but they've had

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the depth this year. For me, the Arizona State Iowa

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State winner needs to be in that top four over

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Boise States. It's been a fun ride for Boise State

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and they deserve to be in the playoff, no question

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about it.

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Speaker 2: But top four seed to me, I think that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. I could meet in the middle, right,

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I could meet in the middle. Give the winner. You know,

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let's say Boise State wins, don't necessarily Audi leave Little

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automatically make them the twelve seed. We were just talking

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about Alabama being in the playoffs. Well, if they're going

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to be in the playoffs, Boise States should be higher

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than Bama. Yes, give Bama or give Boise a home game.

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That's my beet in the middle. They cannot be the

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four seed. That would be the most ridiculous shit. Brett

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Yormark would probably kill somebody. I think he could probably

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do it. Honestly, he looks like he's a killer.

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Speaker 1: And I would love to see Boise State have a

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home playoff game in Boise.

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Speaker 2: That would be an incredible environment.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'd hope they'd win. Yeah, I mean, I hope

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they do a great fuck I'll tell you this. I

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hope Boisse say he wins the whole motherfucker. I would

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love that, but don't.

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Speaker 1: But they can't be four seed. Don't give that on

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a silver platter. With what the Big twelve has been

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going through all year.

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Speaker 3: It would undermine the entire thing. If that happens, though

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it all the way, that would be the worst. There's

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people been saying that I haven't seen.

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Speaker 2: That Boise State's the four seed right now.

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Speaker 3: That's incredbing, Like I don't. I mean, I browse Twitter

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all day, but it was really mainly for the Universal

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Healthcare Group guy that got assassinated. But I haven't.

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Speaker 5: Man, there's no way they end up there. We'll see

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how much does committee hate the Big twelve. Oh, it's

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obvious they hate the Big Temph. They hate the ACC too.

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Speaker 1: Miami just is done now like they lost too. Oh yeah, yeah,

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it's obvious. Also in the playoff picture, I look at

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these other teams, like Ohio State would play Tennessee right now,

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that's a game I could see going either way.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it'd be a fun one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be great. I don't think Indiana's gonna

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do anything. Penn State taking on the Big twelve champion

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is where things line up right now with Penn State

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at the five seed. Tom, I like what I've seen

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from Arizona State and from Iowa State both.

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Speaker 2: I have not been impressed with Penn State.

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Speaker 1: I think that even if worst case scenario, the Big

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twelve champ gets stuck as the twelve seed and the

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last team in the field.

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Speaker 2: I think they could go in there and upset Penn State.

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I think. I I think i Was State or Arizona State,

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either one could win on the road in Happy Valley.

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Speaker 3: I would, I would. I think Arizona State could do it.

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I don't. I don't know necessarily if I trust Matt

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Campbell all the way yet. They just got their first

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ten win season ever.

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Speaker 2: First ten win seasons since like nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 3: Right it said, It's like, I don't know if I

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trust him yet.

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Speaker 2: That's fair to do that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you can say the same thing about

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Arizona State. They've went through the dog shit years and

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then just popped out with Kenny Dillingham.

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Speaker 2: But so Truss James Franklin in a big game.

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Speaker 3: Either of the no, no, yeah, and I don't. I mean,

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Penn State kind of got gifted on the silver platter

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in some ways. I mean, they must have been more

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excited about the last week's games than their own. Yeah,

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so yeah, that would be man, can you imagine? But

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I wonder. I think Iowa State fans would obviously travel

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very well to that game. I can't. I don't know

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about Arizona State I know they have like a wide

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alumni base. I feel like Arizona State does. We do,

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so maybe there would be a good showing. I think

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if you're Arizona State, I think, well, if you're either

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of those teams, one, you know the flight, there's probably

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there's direct flights obviously in the Dallas. I would go

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to this game if I was one of those fans,

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and then I would definitely go to the first playoff

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game if I'm either of those teams, especially Iowa State.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of look at the playoff picture. Let's

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let's break down these championship games, starting with the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 2: Arizona State Iowa State. I like both quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I like Rock Gobeck and Levitt both, But for me,

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the run game of Arizona State, what we've seen from Scataboo,

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I think that's gonna be the difference. I know Arizona

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State's without their top receiver. I think they played some

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better football than Arizona that Iowa State has. As of late,

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they've been very hot. I think they run the football

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and their defense shows up. I lean towards Arizona State

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to win the Big Twelve title in their first year

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in the league.

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Speaker 2: Just as we all thought. Tom, the team picked to finish.

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Speaker 1: Last in the Big Twelve, takes home the Big Twelve

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crown in a crazy year this year.

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Speaker 2: That's my pick. I lean towards Arizona State. Which way

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do you lean?

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Speaker 3: Jones? At the beginning of the season, we had a

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show and we were doing this again, and we were

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talking about I think here's the three teams I believe

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were mentioned, and if I'm wrong, correct me. We were like,

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you were like, hey, well, let's take a look at

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the bottom of the league. Which one of these three

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teams could you see doing more than what they're ranked.

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It was Arizona State, BYU in Houston or the three teams,

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and two of those teams, damn near well, one has

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a shot to win, the other one kind of pissed

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it away at the end and finished what third? Yeah,

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you know, I and I want to say I think

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I said I said I like Arizona State to impress.

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I didn't mesion this. I didn't envision this.

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Speaker 2: But it's me that called out Arizona State having a

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big year.

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Speaker 3: But I thought you said you liked Houston because of

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Willie Free.

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Speaker 2: I said, I did like Houston.

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Speaker 1: I did like what they were building there, but I

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was very high in Arizona State before everyone else.

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Speaker 3: I think I said that b Yu was gonna get

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Sataki fired and that's a cold Takes exposed. Yeah, but

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I'm gonna have to go back and listen to that

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one just to see. But I like Arizona State too.

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This Levy kid is about to terrorize the Big twelve

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for at least the next two seasons after this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I like this Scataboo kid. I mean, you know,

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I think he ended up having a great day in

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the run games obviously gonna they're gonna just run it

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down Matt Campbell's throat. And I think this Scatabo kid, Uh,

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Scataboo Kid improves his draft style and on national on

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a national level here, I always hate the Big tal

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Championships at eleven. AM hate that. Yeah, give us, give

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us like four point thirty or something.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's our punishment for getting rid of the Big

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twelve championship game.

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Speaker 2: And then when we brought it back, it's what we

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were stuck.

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Speaker 3: With and they said, oh, you're playing in the morning, right, this.

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Speaker 2: Game was in primetime before they ended it for that

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brief Hiatus.

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Speaker 3: I guess that was when it was at Barrowhead.

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Speaker 1: It was at always a night game one it Yeah,

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the last Big Twelve Championship before they ended it was

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a night game in primetime on ABC from AT and

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T and then the Big Twelve Championship goes away and like, oh,

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you're stuck with the last time slot remaining eleven am

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on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's fair they couldn't play it on Friday night.

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Speaker 1: I suppose that wouldn't be bad, a fun one. I

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guess the Big Twelve rather be on Sundaturday at eleven.

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So anyways, the SEC title game, uh, I lean, George Georgia,

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it's gonna be like a home game for the Bulldogs

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there against Texas. It comes down to me, what version

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of Quinn yours we see? And he's a little banged

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up right now as well. And I'll say this top

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for the folks out there that say, well, you know,

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Quinn's not playing great, they should turn to Arch. And

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maybe it's Arch's time for potentially, you know, turning it

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over to him and to make a playoff through the

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playoff running all this well we've seen from Arch, and

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I think Arch is gonna be good, don't get me wrong,

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But the way they've used him, he's basically.

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Speaker 2: Just a glorified running back. At this point.

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Speaker 1: When he started games, he was turning the ball over

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a bit. He's still very raw. He's basically a running

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back right now. Arch is not your answer either. You're

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kind of stuck with Quinn. Whatever you get from Quinn

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at this point, and I don't think what Quinn has

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is go to now if I think George has.

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Speaker 3: Got it, yeah, I think so. What's the line on

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that game? Probably Georgia by four and a half.

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Speaker 1: The line on that game, Georgia is a two and

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a half point underdog.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Really that must be some Vegas trickery. Yeah,

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maybe they. I mean they always say Vegas knows something

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we don't. But I'd be very shocked if Texas went

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out there and put an asshop down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Mornecob Jim Brinston set to join us as we'll get

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his thoughts on this PICTURELF Championship game, as well as

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the rest of the college football playoff picture that's coming

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up on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Stay what's join us now? The program this week?

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Speaker 1: Please to Welcome in from Fox Sports Radio in Phoenix.

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He covers everything out in the desert, from Arizona to

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Arizona State to the Cardinals, Suns and everything in between.

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And he's also got ties to Iowa State as well.

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Former radio host in des Mooine. It is our friend

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Jimmy B. Jim Brinson who's back on the program to

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talk about the Big Twelfth Championship Game, college Football Playoff

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and more. Jimmy B joins us right now, Jimmy BE.

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Always a pleasure of my friend. Any time we'll get

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the chance to chat. How are we doing, Welcome back

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to the show man.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you for the offer, and I'm just glad

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you're paying for the call.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect, the checks still cashing. Glad the bills are

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paid to make this call happen.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy B.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy B, you know both these schools so well, Arizona

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State and Iowa State. I think that a good place

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to start is just the fact that both these teams

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are here with a chance to not only win the

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Big Twelfth title, but get a spot in the College

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Football Playoff. What a story for both these schools to

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be in this position here Jimmy b.

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Speaker 4: Well, it is to be honest with you. Ironically, before

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the season began and they had the Big Twelve media days,

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Arizona State was picked at the bottom of the Big twelve,

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the bottom of the Big twelve. Iowa State was in

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the middle six seven, right in there. And it's interesting

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because these two teams pretty much mirror each other. And

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here's how I explain that. You have a coach in

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Matt Campbell at Iowa State and a coach in Kenny

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Dillingham at ASU. Both of them have extensive experience in

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major college football games. It's not like these two guys

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are I guess newbies to playing in big time college football.

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They have both been around the block. They have been

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involved in big time college football game. What makes this

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game so interesting is that you have a quarterback of

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ASU in Sam Levitt and a quarterback at ISU in

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Rock Obeck who can really sling the football. Both of

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these guys can and they are both excellent runners as well,

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So if the pocket breaks down, you can look for

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these qbs to take off and use their legs to

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pick up serious yardage. So that's just the beginning of

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the comparison. Tyler I'm gonna tell you this this game,

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and I know that the wise guys in Vegas, I

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think they have it at two and a half right now,

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Iowa State getting two and a half. To be honest

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with you, I can see this game easily being just

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a field goal game. That's how close these teams are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is something else. I think you're absolutely right

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about that. And going into this Arizona State's got a

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ton of momentum. Iowa State lost two games in the

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month of November, but they have played better the last

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couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Here, what way are you kind of leaning towards one

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way or the other?

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Speaker 4: Here?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a slight edge one way between these

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two teams?

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Speaker 4: Well, here's a couple of things that I'll point out.

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And for Arizona State, they far and away have the

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best running back in cam Skataboo. He is a freight train,

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He's a load. He should be in Heisman Trophy conversations,

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but not at the top of the list, but his

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name should be brought up. On the other hand, ASU

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has lost their top wide receiver. He's out for the

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rest of the year due to injury, so that will

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hurt them as far as the passing game is concerned.

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Iowa State, on the other hand, has Abu Sama who

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is the speedback, and then another back in Carson Nelson

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who is the bruising back. Carson Hanson excuse me, who

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is the bruising back and can also run extremely well.

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So in this game, it's going to be extremely important

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a for Arizona State for Cam Scattaboo to pick up

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one hundred to one hundred and fifty yards on the

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ground and be involved in the passing game if ASU

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is going to be successful. For Iowa State, they feature

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two wide receivers that both went over one thousand yards receiving,

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so it gives you an idea the quality of whiteouts

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that Iowa State has. So they're running backs don't have

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to be that big time one hundred and fifty yard rusher.

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They could run for seventy and sixty a piece. But

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yet their two wide receivers will be instrumental in how

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effective the offense is going to be for Iowa State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna be awesome to see exactly

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what they could do. In Scataboo, who you mentioned, I mean,

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what a job that he has done this year. I

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know that he battled injury there for a bit, but

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to come back, and you mentioned should be mentioned in

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the conversation for the Heisan Trophy there. I mean, I'll

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look at him roun. It's like watching Toby Gerhart two

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point zero or something. I mean, he's got maybe a

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little more speed, but what he's done with that running game,

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I mean, it's real simple, Jimmy Bee. If you run

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the football well and play great defense like you got

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championship DNA.

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Speaker 2: And that's been this team's key all season long.

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Speaker 1: They've done that so well on it with him, and

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their defenses come a long ways too since last year.

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Speaker 4: But their defense does struggle against a top passer and

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top wide receivers, meaning Arizona State, and that's exactly what

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Iowa State has. The key for ASU against Iowa State's

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offense when they are going to the air will be

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to put pressure on Rock Obeck, the quarterback for the Cyclones.

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If he has time at any time to set his

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feet just for a moment, he is going to complete

706
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,400
that pass. He's that good of a thrower. Now for

707
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:44,639
Arizona State, Sam Levitt is a terrific thrower of the

708
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,559
football as well. And he's not afraid, as I mentioned earlier,

709
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,880
to take off and run with it. However, with the

710
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,719
loss of his top wide receiver, that is going to

711
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,400
change some things. And I know that the term is

712
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:04,480
always next man up. Well, the difference for Arizona State

713
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,639
is is they don't have a next man up who

714
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,480
was as good as Tyron Jordan, who is not going

715
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,960
to be able to play, and so that is going

716
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,920
to impact the game. I don't know exactly when or

717
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:21,639
how it's going to do it, but it will impact

718
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,960
the game that Jordan is not in the starting lineup

719
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,679
for AESU.

720
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,199
Speaker 1: These two coaches, Mett Campbell, he's done a terrific job

721
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,719
in and I always stayed a while now and.

722
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: You know, winning ten games this year, first time in

723
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,719
program history, I believe.

724
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 4: The other side in nineteen twelve, nineteen twelve, Jimmy Bane

725
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,119
was called that game. I did that game on on

726
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,039
the Mutual Radio Network.

727
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were you were what twenty four back then,

728
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,000
you know, yeah, yes, exactly, exactly, just a young and yeah.

729
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,400
And then Kenny Dillingham on the other side, you know,

730
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:59,920
just his second year, obviously an Arizona State guy.

731
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,079
Speaker 2: Huge for him, I'm looking at you know.

732
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: Sure, both these guys, their names are going to come

733
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:10,480
up for conversations for other jobs this offseason. But both

734
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,840
of them seem, like Jimmy, be very committed, very happy

735
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:17,559
with where they're at. And I don't think if these

736
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:18,840
guys stay, I don't think this is going to be

737
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,320
the last we hear about Iowa State and Arizona State

738
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,800
and the national conversation here.

739
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,159
Speaker 4: I'm with you on that one hundred percent, and you

740
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,840
are correct about both coaches. Matt Campbell's name has been

741
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,199
floated out for the last couple of years. Every time

742
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,480
a job comes up, Oh, Matt Campbell, He's on the list,

743
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,519
but he never takes it. He likes Ames, Iowa was

744
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,000
just about thirty minute drive forty minute drive tops north

745
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,960
of Des Moines, Iowa. He loves the setup, his family

746
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:53,679
loves it there. He's paid extremely well over four mil,

747
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,679
so trust me, the money's not an issue, and he

748
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,679
likes the situation that he is in. For Kenny Dillingham,

749
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,679
remember he was the offensive coordinator at Oregon. Came in

750
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,159
last season, the team won only a few games, and

751
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,400
he had to blow up almost everything. And I believe

752
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:20,159
that only Dion Sanders at Colorado in the Big Twelve

753
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:27,159
signed more transfer portal kids than ASU did, and I

754
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,719
think it was something like only two or three in

755
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,519
the difference. So he retooled his entire team, including bringing

756
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:41,159
in the quarterback in Sam Levin. Cam Scattaboo was there

757
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,400
last year and stayed to play again this year. So

758
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:53,360
those are the comparisons between Iowa States coaches and ASU's coaches.

759
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,920
Both of them have an excellent coaching staff as far

760
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:04,519
as assistants are con Remember Brock Purty, mister Irrelevant, played

761
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:08,199
his football at Iowa State. Now, of course he's a

762
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,119
top notch NFL quarterback with the San Francisco forty nine

763
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:15,960
ers Sam Levitt. If he continues to play the way

764
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:20,199
that he is playing right now for Arizona State, he

765
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,599
will also have a chance to be at NFL QB.

766
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,880
That's how talented these coaching staffs are. They know how

767
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,119
to get kids in and they know how.

768
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 2: To coach them up.

769
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Rockaback looks like a future NFL

770
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,239
quarterback too, And obviously he's the son of a former

771
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,480
NFL great and Anthony Beck as well. So yeah, watch

772
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,239
you out there now looking at the college football playoff

773
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,119
picture here with both these two teams, it's a play

774
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,239
in game. Whoever wins is going to be in the

775
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,480
playoff and the loser will be eliminated.

776
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:59,159
Speaker 2: Do you think that either one of these.

777
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Teams can uh, you know, not only you obviously get

778
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,119
to the playoff, but potentially make a run.

779
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: Could could they win a game or two and make

780
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:09,159
this interesting?

781
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: And and which one of these teams you think is

782
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,639
is better suited potentially to h to be competitive in

783
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:16,880
the in the collegetball playoff?

784
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,079
Speaker 4: All right, now, you're really putting my feet to the

785
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:24,760
fire here. First off, the college football Playoff Committee, they

786
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,079
just suck. They're terrible with what they have done. They

787
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,840
I have no idea how you can have Tennessee Alabama.

788
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,360
They're not playing in any championship games coming up this weekend,

789
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,800
yet they are already locked in. So, in other words,

790
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,000
the committee says, well, we don't really care about the

791
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,480
championship games. We're just going to lock into the teams

792
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,320
that we think should be in. It's it's horrible the

793
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,119
way that this is kind of played it its way out.

794
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:08,199
And SMU already a commissioner, Wardle on ESPN came out

795
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,519
and stated when they were asked the question, if SMU

796
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:17,280
gets beat by Clemson in the ACC Championship game, wouldn't

797
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,760
they just drop a couple slots or would they be out?

798
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,079
He says, well, there's probably a good chance they'd be out.

799
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:26,000
They would only have two losses, which means a three

800
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:31,559
loss team has already locked themselves in to a spot,

801
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,760
which just makes it awful. Now, look it. If you

802
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,480
want to call it the SEC and the Big Ten Invitational,

803
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,280
why don't you just call it that, because that's essentially

804
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,280
what this committee is doing right now. I would have

805
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,960
had Miami still in. I would have left Alabama out

806
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,119
due to their three losses. Look, you were a twenty

807
00:45:55,199 --> 00:46:00,239
three point favorite at Vanderbilt and you got beat. Then

808
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,480
you went to Oklahoma, a team that has struggled all

809
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:08,440
year long, has won only six games, and you got

810
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,559
your hat handed to you. Oh wait a minute, I

811
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,920
forgot the second to the last game of the season.

812
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,400
You did have a big victory against Mercer. Okay, maybe

813
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,880
that's what the committee is looking at. I get it.

814
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,199
All I'm saying is is that the winner of the

815
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:34,519
Big Twelve, if they are passed up by Alabama or

816
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:41,559
Tennessee teams that didn't even compete in a championship playoff game,

817
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,880
then this thing has gone to hell in a handbasket

818
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:45,559
right away.

819
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm with youa and on top of that too, right now,

820
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,519
if the playoff were to begin today, the Big Twelve

821
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:56,960
champion would be the twelve seed, the last team in

822
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:01,559
the postseason, and would also have to play a first

823
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:02,199
round game.

824
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have a first round by.

825
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,679
Speaker 1: That would go to the Mountain West champion, assuming that's

826
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,960
Boise States. And I know Boise States had a fun year,

827
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:14,239
but you know their best game they lost to Oregon.

828
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: They've played a cupcame scheduled about in West. I'm looking

829
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,840
at that, Jimmy B.

830
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's Boise State or u at

831
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,400
LV the gauntlet the Big Twelve has gone through here.

832
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous that.

833
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: We're even sitting in this spot to Arizona State or

834
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,519
Iowa State, either one could have to be playing a

835
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:34,280
first round game on the road and not get that

836
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,800
first round by going to the Mountain West champion here.

837
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: What say you?

838
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:40,599
Speaker 4: Well, I agree with you, and so does the Big

839
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:45,079
Twelve commissioner Yarnoff who came out today and stated, no

840
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,320
way is a Group of five team going to be

841
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,800
ranked above a Big twelve team. In other words, what

842
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,400
the committee is essentially doing is just trying to scrap

843
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,840
the Big twelve and the ACC. As I referenced before,

844
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,079
they would love to have five Big ten schools in,

845
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:10,960
five SEC teams in and then two open spots. One

846
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,559
would probably go to Notre Dame and then the last

847
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:18,880
one would be Big twelve or Group of five or ACC.

848
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,400
Pick your poison. That's the way that this thing smells,

849
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,400
and it smells bad, but it is what it is.

850
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,840
We can bitch about it all we want, and it's

851
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,360
not going to change. They're going to make the call.

852
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,960
But it just goes to show you how rig this

853
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,519
system is from the get go. And here you have.

854
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,840
How about this Ohio State losing at home to Michigan,

855
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:54,400
not the championship Michigan team from last year, a Michigan

856
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:59,320
team that has won only six games, and Ohio State

857
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,719
even win on their home turf, and they lose thirteen

858
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,239
to ten. They score only ten points against a team

859
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,960
in Michigan that won only six games, and look, and

860
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:19,159
they dropped them four spots Miami lost on the road

861
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,559
in a highly competitive game against a nine and three

862
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:29,199
Syracuse team. It was Miami's only second loss, and they

863
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,039
lost by a touchdown on the road against a nine

864
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:37,800
and three team, and the committee dropped them out of

865
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,400
the top football playoff teams dropped them out, so now

866
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:47,639
they're on the outside looking in. It stinks. There's nothing

867
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,199
you can do about it, and we're just gonna have

868
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,760
to play by their rules.

869
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: After this weekend, yeah, we'll get a few more benfluff

870
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,159
here with Jimmy B. Jimmy B, let me ask you,

871
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,079
looking at the other championship game games, what are you

872
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:01,840
excited about?

873
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,599
Speaker 2: What what picks your interest here this weekend?

874
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: Well, I certainly do want to see what takes place

875
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:13,159
with SMU and Clemson. I really want the Ponies to

876
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,000
win that game. Nothing against Clemson. I'm fine with Clemson,

877
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,599
but I just don't want SMU to totally get hosed

878
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,000
by the committee, and it's already been stated that they

879
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:28,599
most likely will. I'm also intrigued about the Oregon Penn

880
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:33,760
State Big Ten matchup. Now, Oregon did go to Michigan

881
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,039
and found a way to win that game on a

882
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:42,119
cold day against the so called slow the tempo down

883
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:46,119
big ten teams. I want to see how that high

884
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:51,599
powered Oregon offense handles a team like Penn State who

885
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,760
plays big ball defense, and they also have enough skill

886
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,960
players on offense where they can put points on the board.

887
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,599
But here's the kicker, where are they playing that game.

888
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,039
They are playing that game in Indianapolis where the Colts

889
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:15,119
play Lucas Oil Field, and it's indoors, so the elements

890
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,599
will not be a factor in that game whatsoever? For me?

891
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,199
That truly favors the Oregon Ducks.

892
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,119
Speaker 2: I agree, and you look at that Oregon team.

893
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,079
Speaker 1: I know that they're the last unbeaten here at this

894
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,840
point and started out a little rough but played much

895
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,039
better down the stretch.

896
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:36,559
Speaker 2: I like what Oregon's doing, Jimmy Bee.

897
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: But if I had to bet right now going to

898
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,000
this playoff of Oregon or the field, I have not

899
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,719
seen anything that says like, hey, Oregon's just going to

900
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,320
dominate this thing by any stretch of the imagination, I

901
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,639
would take the field every day right now over Oregon.

902
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: What say you I would do?

903
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 4: I just think there are too many teams. Look, member

904
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,039
Ohio State went to Oregon, they only watched that game

905
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:03,480
by point. Yeah, so, and and I just think that

906
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,639
there are too many teams right now. Georgia is a

907
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,519
team that you're going to have to really take a

908
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:14,320
look at and look, like I said, again, here's another team,

909
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,000
got a couple losses, but they're not playing this weekend,

910
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:22,440
but they're already in, they're already set. So it's a

911
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,639
very unfair schedule. And the thing that really sticks in

912
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:31,079
my crow is that you have the Big Ten, the

913
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:37,800
Big Twelve, group of five. All of those conferences play

914
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:44,000
nine conference games. The SEC still only plays eight. So

915
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:47,960
if you want to get into what the differences are

916
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:52,280
in the conference and talk about the scheduling and the

917
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,960
power of each schedule, remember that the SEC plays one

918
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,719
game less than the Big Twelve and the Big Ten.

919
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the ACC of course plays eight games as well.

920
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,639
But yeah, you're you're absolutely right about that. One more

921
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,920
thing on Arizona State here, JIMMYB. We were talking you

922
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,400
and I earlier the week and you brought up how

923
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:19,639
there's so many alums from Arizona State and the DFW area.

924
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,840
We know that that's such a giant school. What's kind

925
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,159
of the excitement level at for this Arizona State program

926
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,559
of where they're at in the Big Twelve, being in

927
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,280
the Big Twelve championship, first year in the league and everything.

928
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,960
I know that they were, you know, in the Pac

929
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,679
twelve for so long and they love playing with those

930
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,079
West Coast schools, but now coming to Dallas, getting to

931
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:45,000
play at eighteen and T Stadium and everything like, how

932
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,159
would how would you summarize how people feel about this

933
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,039
this first year for this team and in their new

934
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:51,840
stomping grounds.

935
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 4: It is off the charts and it's hard to be

936
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,239
the the top sports team when you play in a

937
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:04,440
professional market. Just like what you know in football in

938
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,800
that area, Cowboys dominate, SMU and TCU they take a

939
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,119
backseat to the Dallas Cowboys. Same way here Cardinals dominate

940
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,719
and ASU has not been good. So now that they

941
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,280
are good, this is all brand new territory and people

942
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,880
are coming out of the woodwork in an effort to

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try to get to that game. It's not that big

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a deal to get there from here, and so I

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think they're going to be very well represented. I will

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tell you this, Iowa State always always travels great, and

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it wouldn't shock me if there were twenty to thirty

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thousand Iowa state fans in Dallas for this game on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a lot of fun. Jimmy Bay, Appreciate the time.

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Always a pleasure when we get the chance to chat

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my friend. Enjoy the games this weekend and we'll catch

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you up again down the line. Appreciate you jodous Man,

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always real pal.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you. Have a good night.