Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve sec breakdown, Tom Ochilt's Down.
Britch is here with you with a comprehensive look at
both the Big Twelve and Southeastern Conferences.
Speaker 2: We begin, as we do each and every week, with
our hot takes.
Speaker 1: Tom will save the basketball talk for another week. We
get one more week of football discussion here before we
have to talk to some hoops in the coming weeks.
But my hot take this week, Tom, and I'll be honest,
I think a lot of enough people grew with me
that it's not that hot of a take, but I'll
go ahead and say it anyway. It is a disgrace Tom,
that Alabama is going to be in.
Speaker 2: The college football playoff. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but with them not playing
this week and a number of teams off, and where
the committee put them in the rankings, it's a foregone
conclusion to this point. And as a three loss team
that lost to Oklahoma a couple of weeks ago got
their ass beat they lost to Vandy, a six win
team earlier in the year, that team has no business
being in the playoff. And it's not for me, just
the fact they're a three loss team, Tom, They're not
even the most deserving of SEC teams to potentially be
in the playoffs. South Carolina is playing better than them
right now. South Carolinas just had a nice non conference
win against Clemson this past week.
Speaker 2: They're playing really well.
Speaker 1: Old Miss you could make a case for, but I
would say Alabama's more deserving than Old Miss.
Speaker 2: But I take South Carolina over Alabama and the inn Miami.
Speaker 1: They barely lose to a pretty decent Syracuse team and
they're out of it now with two losses. To me,
it's you know what, does our buddy Tim Brando say,
the pure playoff privileged? That's what Alabama is. We're always
making some excuse someway or another for Alabama. And last
year I didn't have too much of a problem with
Alabama geting again over Florida State because Florida State we
all knew was a fraud, they didn't have Jordan Travis,
they weren't gonna do anything.
Speaker 2: But this situation, it.
Speaker 1: Feels like Tom the Committee is going out of their
way to include Alabama in this and they don't deserve
to be there. They're not that good of a football
team right now. They would be facing Notre Dame. I
don't even think Notre Dame's that great either, but I
think Notre Dame would be would beat them by at
least ten points.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's just ridiculous at this point.
Speaker 1: It feels like the Big ten SEC Invitational when when
you include a three loss Alabama team in this.
Speaker 3: Thing, yeah, it's in honestly, Jones, and you can't reward.
It's so crazy. People have been like, oh well, people
have joking said, yeah, Blabama's gonna find a way in,
you know, and then it was kind of good with sarcasm, right,
and then here they are they do like what.
Speaker 2: No, and they didn't even do anything. It's not like that.
Speaker 3: They blew the best win.
Speaker 2: Their best win is Georgia.
Speaker 3: I mean, and they almost blew that game.
Speaker 2: They played one good quarter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and they're gonna put them in there?
What you know it would be, so it's gonna happen.
Alabama was gonna at least make it the semi final.
Speaker 2: Oh please, no, well he's.
Speaker 3: No, you know, and like, so what the loser of
the SEC championship game is gonna get the fifth scene?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: And then what is Alabama gonna be nine to ten eleven.
Speaker 2: Alabama's gonna be like ten or eleven right now, They're.
Speaker 3: Gonna be They're gonna be higher. This is what's jack.
They're gonna be higher than the Big twelve loser.
Speaker 2: Well, the Big twelve losers not gonna.
Speaker 3: Make it, see, which okay, So rather they're gonna get in.
Speaker 2: Over the loser.
Speaker 3: Between Iowa, say and Arizona, and that should not happen.
Speaker 1: SMU might drop their second game of the year of
the ACC title game and potentially could be left out
in Alabama gets in.
Speaker 3: See, and then that's the goal post are always gonna
be moved. People are gonna be like, well, no, we
just need to go back to this or more teams
or whatever. And sure they can eventually open it up
to more. But if they're just gonna put Alabama in
every year, just say that, right, like if you can,
if you can not make your conference championship game and
get in over other teams that deserve it, like you
could say, Miami probably deserves it more. Uh, you the
loser of the Big twelve championship game, deserve is it more?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean why you lost two games and
they're not even in the conversation, right.
Speaker 3: And they played well all year. Yeah, and and then
you're just I would like to see Bama in provo
in a late night game, get all the get all
the Mormons hopped up on hot chocolate and uh cougar tails,
and let's see what Let's see what goes. I can't
say the b R you wouldn't oh one of the
worst season since Molly Wop that the OU game in
itself should disqualify Alabama.
Speaker 2: I agree. You know, if you want to put a three.
Speaker 3: Should have been in that should have been.
Speaker 1: If you want to put a three loss SEC team in, fine,
not even if you want to put a three loss
SEC team in town, fine, put South Carolina in. South
Carolina's more deserving than Alabama. They're not even the best
three loss SEC team. That's what's so ridiculous about this.
Speaker 3: Right, and arguably from just the game standpoint, I'm like,
who South Carolina lost to?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: LSU? I don't think of the other losses. I mean,
they've they have a better resume I think than Bama.
I mean, Shara Obama has Georgia. But you know, South Carolina,
if you want to look at it from a whole season, standpoint,
I think South Carolina could beat Alabama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, South Carolina lost to Bama by two on the
road in mid October. Right, we've been told so much
about it, tests Right, what have you done for me lately?
South Carolina beats the crap out of Oklahoma, who Alabama
got beat badly by.
Speaker 2: They beat the crap out of Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: They stomped Vandy, they beat Missou, gotta win against Watford,
had a nice win against Clemson. They've been arguably as
hot as any team in the country the last two months.
And Nah, now we're going Bama because we gotta find
a way to make an exception for Bama. I'm h
It's frustrating, but I'm not surprised. That's the most disappointing
part of it all. Honestly speaking, Tom, which direction do
you want to go with your hot take this week?
Speaker 3: Jones hot take this week, I'm gonna go a little
different route than about the football games. I'm gonna go
more so on what we found out today. The day
that we're recording this, Oklahoma State fires Brian Nardo and
Casey Dunn, thank God, and I think they sit down
Gundhy in the meeting that they had, and I think
we might not ever know this. I think we'll know
by the look on Gundhy's face and the press conference
that will eventually be happening sometimes soon. And my hot
take is that we are going to see Mike Gundy
have a great year next year with two new coordinators.
I know they're talking. There has been mentions about Zach Robinson.
There has been mentions about the Rice defensive coordinator, who,
from what I've read, has that some good When you
look at the stats, I think Rice is like way
up there, further than they should be in the defensive rankings.
That's my hot take. These next two coordinators are going
that LSU is going to hire is going to be
nine and day difference from what we saw at a
Nardo and Casey done. And I think Gundy takes this
OSU team almost to the conference championship next year. I
think really the hottest part of this is they're going
to get both of these hires right. I don't know
who they are yet, but I believe in Chad Weiberg
the AD and Casey Shrum as the president. And I
think they get these two hires right, and OSU Football
starts next season. Uh, with a pretty good test in
Eugene against Oregon.
Speaker 1: Well, what their big problem is that they don't have
the NIL money. They need people like you to be
donating to their NIL fund and get on the competitive
level to compete. And Gundy hasn't embraced in I l
in the transfer portal the way they should.
Speaker 2: And well they.
Speaker 3: Did lose an OU commit because or commit to OU.
Speaker 1: Yeah watch the quarterback. Yeah that's that to me. Like,
I think the game has passed gundhy by. I think
that this all likely will be the end of Mike
gundhy and Stillwater after this upcoming year. I think it's
gonna be another disappointing season. He'll likely be done.
Speaker 3: But you could also go another route. As the time
we're taping this, there is an emergian emergency there. It's
Regents and emergency put together Board of Regents emergency meeting
tomorrow morning, which will be Thursday at the time we're
recording this, and a lot of people are also saying, well,
what do you mean in emergency meeting? We already we
already fired the people that were going to fire done
and Nardo are gone. What if the emergency meeting. Is
Mike Gundy retiring. That's been another take floating around.
Speaker 1: I don't think he would be announcing his retirement if
he was firing his coordinators, so but never know, We'll see.
Speaker 3: How I guess. I guess if he announced his retirement,
he wouldn't fire them, just the AD would end up
firing them.
Speaker 1: Since since we're talking coaching, let's, uh, let's go over
some of those changes.
Speaker 2: Let's start with UH. With West Virginia.
Speaker 1: Finally fired mil Brown Tom We've only been calling it
for what three years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, about three seasons.
Speaker 2: And it finally happened.
Speaker 1: Coaching searches on, I think they're gonna end up taking
a big, swinging dick move. And you know, you've got
Pat McAfee as heavily involved.
Speaker 2: And they said that would be something.
Speaker 1: They say that he's gonna be involved in the coaching
search and he's got some nil stuff he's working on
with his alma mater. Pat McAfee is not gonna be
West Gindi's head coach. You're not going to have Chuck
Pagano as his d C and Darius.
Speaker 3: You imagine that would be the white Dion.
Speaker 1: It would be I've heard that comparison before, you know,
get get all his cronies, you know, Tone Diggs and
and uh and Tyler and company on staff.
Speaker 2: I know that's not happened.
Speaker 3: Dion versus Pat McAfee on each sideline, Oh my god,
that'd be.
Speaker 2: That's not happening. But what I do think they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go with a national championship winning
coach that's from the state of West Virginia. I'm calling
it right now, Jimbo Fisher is gonna be the next
head coach of the Mountaineers.
Speaker 3: I read something today that Jimbo Fisher was not taking
that job. Didn't they get wasn't even Saban mentioned in
helping West Virginia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's from the state. But I mean when people
say that, like.
Speaker 1: Well I heard he's you know, he already said he
wasn't gonna take the job. You know, Nick Saban said
he wasn't gonna be the head coach at Alabama. Even
more recently, Ryan Grubb said he wasn't gonna be the
offensive coordinator of the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: I mean, money talks. You can find ways to make
it work.
Speaker 1: I think realistically, after getting fired from A and M.
If Jimbo wants to get back and coaching anytime soon, realistically,
West Virginia is about as good as he could ask
for right now. I think that would be a good
fit for both parties involved, and that would add some
excitement to that uh that that team that needs a
bit of juice right.
Speaker 3: Now, you know, I could it would be very interesting.
I mean, I think of places to land after being
away from the game, West Virginia wouldn't be the worst
place to land. Is actually probably be a pretty cush landing. Honestly,
you have a team that hasn't been really good since
Geno Smith days. Maybe a couple decent seasons here and there.
Nothing too crazy that wouldn't be That wouldn't be too
bad of a place. I don't know this Yahoo Sports guy,
he I don't know. His credential is the Ross Dellinger guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great writer.
Speaker 3: Yeah he said it's not happening, But well, I mean,
who is he? I mean, you know, we'll see. I've heard.
I've also heard you know another one, Lincoln Riley to US.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lincoln City.
Speaker 1: He's not leaving USC, but hey, I'm sure USC would
be interested in him. Leaving them. They might they might say, yeah,
you you go take that job, you know that buyout
and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no you can just take him,
Just take him, you know, get out, Yeah, get out.
All the going's good.
Speaker 1: We've seen more coaches do that recently, specifically at college basketball,
with John cal Pari leaving Kentucky for Arkansas. You know,
and Arkansas has been pretty decent. Yeah, I think that's
worked out for Arkansas. Mark Pope's got a good team.
Speaker 2: There. I said, we weren't talking college basketball day.
Speaker 3: And here we are just having a sneak in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened as I'm watching Kansas lose to Creighton
right now.
Speaker 2: Hopefully that changes.
Speaker 3: To another room. I've heard fly around, and I think
it's more wishful thinking. What about kil Gundhi too, s U.
Speaker 2: I can see that should happen. Actually, that's who they
should hire.
Speaker 3: Yes, I wonder if he's interested. And I would love
to have been at that Thanksgiving this year.
Speaker 2: That's enough OSU talk. Let's talk about actual head coaches. Now.
Speaker 1: My goodness, you're killing me with coordinator talk. Geez ucf.
Gus mal Zon's out. I kind of mentioned this with Gundhi.
I think the same can be said about Gus. I
think the game had passed by Gus His you know,
brilliant offense that he had at one point, the spread
option with Cam Newton and all that it didn't evolve.
Speaker 2: People caught up to it, and he didn't adapt like
he should have. And they've gotten.
Speaker 1: Worse by a lot from when they left the American
for the Big Twelve. And there's really no excuse for
it because they've got plenty of money there at you see,
if they got a giant alumni base, and we've seen
schools like Arizona State and BYU who entered around the
same time competing at a much better level.
Speaker 2: I think you see f as a sleeping giant.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great job, one of, if not
the best jobs in the Big Twelve potentially. And the
name that I've heard that I think would be a
good fit Tom Jamie Chadwell at Liberty.
Speaker 2: He's been a winner at Liberty.
Speaker 1: He was awesome at Coastal Carolina, developed Graces McColl they've
taken a step back since he left there. He's a
brilliant recruiter. He's waiting for the right opportunity. I think
Jamie Chadwell would be a home run for UCF if
they could pull him off.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that he wasn't, you know, didn't get poached,
maybe even last year. I think you're right. I think
his time's coming to go to a bigger program. I
could see it happening. I mean, wouldn't be a bad
hire for them, I think. And like you said, they're
kind of in a rough spot right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, whose job's better West Virginia job or the
UCF job.
Speaker 2: Well, UF, it's not even close.
Speaker 3: Man, Maybe it's not even more money?
Speaker 2: Is that more money? And you're in the state of Florida?
Speaker 3: What's wrong with West Virginia?
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you serious?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, Okay, Okay, I was about to say, I
mean a lot easier recruit, like you don't even have
to leave the state of Florida now you're looking for there.
I mean, yeah, you see, I think it is a
great job, and I think Jamie Chadwell would be a
really good fit for them potentially if.
Speaker 2: If they go that route. But yeah, those those jobs
intrigued me for sure.
Speaker 1: Let's uh, so those are as of right now, those
are the only big job openings at the moment. Obviously,
there's still a lot of time things could change. But nonetheless, Tom,
let's talk about this, uh, these conference championship games. We
kind of already talked about the college and ball playoff
picture and worre things stack up well. Actually, let me
go ahead and pull up the the playoff rankings and
more things stack up at the moment as we head
into championship weekend here and you know, the number one
seed Oregon. They take on Penn State this week. Penn State,
of course, is the number three seed. The winner of
that game will get a first round by and be
the Big Ten champion when it's all said and done.
Texas taken out Georgia this week. The winner of that
game wins the SEC gets the first round by. You know,
I think both these teams are a good spot. I
would say that there's a decent chance they meet up
in the playoffs as well. Tom, Like, I think if
your Texas or Georgia, you would like to win this
game and have the first round by, but it's not
the end of the world, because you're gonna be in
the playoffs either way. You're likely gonna play in a
home game even if you lose this this conference championship
between these two teams here, I think I leaned towards
Georgia in the SEC title game. I think Carson Beck's
been playing better as of late. They've gotten better at
the line of scrimmage. They own Texas the last time
they played. I don't really trust quinn yours right now.
Quinn's been a mess, and Texas they got the best
defense they've had in years. But I don't know what
I'm gonna get out of quinn Ewers right now. I
like Carson Beck more than I do quinn Ewers, And
you know me, I haven't been a big Carson Beck
fan by any stretch of the imagination either, But this game,
I lean towards Carson Beck. And I think George's got
a better chance to make a playoff runt than Texas
does right now.
Speaker 3: Let's say you I think so too. Kirby Smart in
that game, just you know, you win at dk R
and you know some about Kirby Smart. Yes he did lose,
they did lose to Alabama, but some about Kirby Smart
over Steve Sarkesan seems like it's it seems like Kirby
could be like Sarks kryptonite in some ways, like we're
gonna see this matchup many more times over, however, many
more years unless one of them retires. And it's some
about it feels like Texas's newest nightmare is going to
be Georgia or they're like, we can't get over this
Georgia hump damn it, Like come on, there's gotta be
a way, kind of like the Bills and the Chiefs. Honestly, yeah,
Texas is just trying to find any way to beat
Georgia right now.
Speaker 1: If the playoff began today, if Georgia beat Indiana in
the opening round, we would have a Texas Georgia rematching
the Sugar Bowl for a third meeting if that were
to happen.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we very well could be seeing this yere
in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: But I leaned towards Texas there you look at the
rest of the playoff picture where things stack up.
Speaker 2: SMU at the three spot. They're taking on of course.
Speaker 1: Clemson this week, and with SMU Tom it's a great
story and I think they'll beat Clemson. But I'll be honest,
I would be very surprised if we see SMU in
the semi finals.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to envision them getting past these
teams like Notre Dame or even Alabama or Penn State.
Like as much as I hate to say it, like
you know that that's that's a fun offense and everything,
but I'm not I'm not completely bought into what SMU
can can do here. I think they win this week,
but I don't think that's a team that's got much
of a playoff fight.
Speaker 3: Does it feel like, you know, I'm trying to I mean,
I guess TCU did beat Michigan in the playoff a
couple of years ago. Does it feel like one of
those teams where, yes they're pretty good, Yes they are deserving,
but when the when the kookie crumbles, they're gonna get
that ass whooped.
Speaker 2: It does feel that. Yes, Yeah, it lost to BYU
at home right right. I was there. I saw that
it wasn't good. It wasn't impressive at all.
Speaker 1: Now the big debate Boise State, Tom, I know you're
a master debater, so I figured that you'd have an
opinion on this. Boise State as the number four seed, No,
LV this week? Are they more deserving of that number
four spot? If they win the Mountain West Championship, then
the Big Twelfth champion, whether that be Arizona State or
if it's if it's Iowa State. Right now, Arizona State
holds the twelfth spot, and you know that would that
that would flip if Arizona State loses.
Speaker 2: And Iowa State gets in.
Speaker 1: But for me, like Boise State, the most impressive thing
they did all season was lose to number one Oregon
in a close game on the road. That's the most
impressive thing they've done this year. Gent's been fantastic. I
understand the committee would love to have him in the
playoffs and all that, but it's so disrespectful to the
Big twelve and the Big Twelve. I know that they
don't have the teams at the top, but they've had
the depth this year. For me, the Arizona State Iowa
State winner needs to be in that top four over
Boise States. It's been a fun ride for Boise State
and they deserve to be in the playoff, no question
about it.
Speaker 2: But top four seed to me, I think that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. I could meet in the middle, right,
I could meet in the middle. Give the winner. You know,
let's say Boise State wins, don't necessarily Audi leave Little
automatically make them the twelve seed. We were just talking
about Alabama being in the playoffs. Well, if they're going
to be in the playoffs, Boise States should be higher
than Bama. Yes, give Bama or give Boise a home game.
That's my beet in the middle. They cannot be the
four seed. That would be the most ridiculous shit. Brett
Yormark would probably kill somebody. I think he could probably
do it. Honestly, he looks like he's a killer.
Speaker 1: And I would love to see Boise State have a
home playoff game in Boise.
Speaker 2: That would be an incredible environment.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'd hope they'd win. Yeah, I mean, I hope
they do a great fuck I'll tell you this. I
hope Boisse say he wins the whole motherfucker. I would
love that, but don't.
Speaker 1: But they can't be four seed. Don't give that on
a silver platter. With what the Big twelve has been
going through all year.
Speaker 3: It would undermine the entire thing. If that happens, though
it all the way, that would be the worst. There's
people been saying that I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: That Boise State's the four seed right now.
Speaker 3: That's incredbing, Like I don't. I mean, I browse Twitter
all day, but it was really mainly for the Universal
Healthcare Group guy that got assassinated. But I haven't.
Speaker 5: Man, there's no way they end up there. We'll see
how much does committee hate the Big twelve. Oh, it's
obvious they hate the Big Temph. They hate the ACC too.
Speaker 1: Miami just is done now like they lost too. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's obvious. Also in the playoff picture, I look at
these other teams, like Ohio State would play Tennessee right now,
that's a game I could see going either way.
Speaker 3: I don't think it'd be a fun one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be great. I don't think Indiana's gonna
do anything. Penn State taking on the Big twelve champion
is where things line up right now with Penn State
at the five seed. Tom, I like what I've seen
from Arizona State and from Iowa State both.
Speaker 2: I have not been impressed with Penn State.
Speaker 1: I think that even if worst case scenario, the Big
twelve champ gets stuck as the twelve seed and the
last team in the field.
Speaker 2: I think they could go in there and upset Penn State.
I think. I I think i Was State or Arizona State,
either one could win on the road in Happy Valley.
Speaker 3: I would, I would. I think Arizona State could do it.
I don't. I don't know necessarily if I trust Matt
Campbell all the way yet. They just got their first
ten win season ever.
Speaker 2: First ten win seasons since like nineteen twelve.
Speaker 3: Right it said, It's like, I don't know if I
trust him yet.
Speaker 2: That's fair to do that.
Speaker 3: But you know, you can say the same thing about
Arizona State. They've went through the dog shit years and
then just popped out with Kenny Dillingham.
Speaker 2: But so Truss James Franklin in a big game.
Speaker 3: Either of the no, no, yeah, and I don't. I mean,
Penn State kind of got gifted on the silver platter
in some ways. I mean, they must have been more
excited about the last week's games than their own. Yeah,
so yeah, that would be man, can you imagine? But
I wonder. I think Iowa State fans would obviously travel
very well to that game. I can't. I don't know
about Arizona State I know they have like a wide
alumni base. I feel like Arizona State does. We do,
so maybe there would be a good showing. I think
if you're Arizona State, I think, well, if you're either
of those teams, one, you know the flight, there's probably
there's direct flights obviously in the Dallas. I would go
to this game if I was one of those fans,
and then I would definitely go to the first playoff
game if I'm either of those teams, especially Iowa State.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of look at the playoff picture. Let's
let's break down these championship games, starting with the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: Arizona State Iowa State. I like both quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I like Rock Gobeck and Levitt both, But for me,
the run game of Arizona State, what we've seen from Scataboo,
I think that's gonna be the difference. I know Arizona
State's without their top receiver. I think they played some
better football than Arizona that Iowa State has. As of late,
they've been very hot. I think they run the football
and their defense shows up. I lean towards Arizona State
to win the Big Twelve title in their first year
in the league.
Speaker 2: Just as we all thought. Tom, the team picked to finish.
Speaker 1: Last in the Big Twelve, takes home the Big Twelve
crown in a crazy year this year.
Speaker 2: That's my pick. I lean towards Arizona State. Which way
do you lean?
Speaker 3: Jones? At the beginning of the season, we had a
show and we were doing this again, and we were
talking about I think here's the three teams I believe
were mentioned, and if I'm wrong, correct me. We were like,
you were like, hey, well, let's take a look at
the bottom of the league. Which one of these three
teams could you see doing more than what they're ranked.
It was Arizona State, BYU in Houston or the three teams,
and two of those teams, damn near well, one has
a shot to win, the other one kind of pissed
it away at the end and finished what third? Yeah,
you know, I and I want to say I think
I said I said I like Arizona State to impress.
I didn't mesion this. I didn't envision this.
Speaker 2: But it's me that called out Arizona State having a
big year.
Speaker 3: But I thought you said you liked Houston because of
Willie Free.
Speaker 2: I said, I did like Houston.
Speaker 1: I did like what they were building there, but I
was very high in Arizona State before everyone else.
Speaker 3: I think I said that b Yu was gonna get
Sataki fired and that's a cold Takes exposed. Yeah, but
I'm gonna have to go back and listen to that
one just to see. But I like Arizona State too.
This Levy kid is about to terrorize the Big twelve
for at least the next two seasons after this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, I like this Scataboo kid. I mean, you know,
I think he ended up having a great day in
the run games obviously gonna they're gonna just run it
down Matt Campbell's throat. And I think this Scatabo kid, Uh,
Scataboo Kid improves his draft style and on national on
a national level here, I always hate the Big tal
Championships at eleven. AM hate that. Yeah, give us, give
us like four point thirty or something.
Speaker 1: Well, it's our punishment for getting rid of the Big
twelve championship game.
Speaker 2: And then when we brought it back, it's what we
were stuck.
Speaker 3: With and they said, oh, you're playing in the morning, right, this.
Speaker 2: Game was in primetime before they ended it for that
brief Hiatus.
Speaker 3: I guess that was when it was at Barrowhead.
Speaker 1: It was at always a night game one it Yeah,
the last Big Twelve Championship before they ended it was
a night game in primetime on ABC from AT and
T and then the Big Twelve Championship goes away and like, oh,
you're stuck with the last time slot remaining eleven am
on Saturday.
Speaker 2: I guess that's fair they couldn't play it on Friday night.
Speaker 1: I suppose that wouldn't be bad, a fun one. I
guess the Big Twelve rather be on Sundaturday at eleven.
So anyways, the SEC title game, uh, I lean, George Georgia,
it's gonna be like a home game for the Bulldogs
there against Texas. It comes down to me, what version
of Quinn yours we see? And he's a little banged
up right now as well. And I'll say this top
for the folks out there that say, well, you know,
Quinn's not playing great, they should turn to Arch. And
maybe it's Arch's time for potentially, you know, turning it
over to him and to make a playoff through the
playoff running all this well we've seen from Arch, and
I think Arch is gonna be good, don't get me wrong,
But the way they've used him, he's basically.
Speaker 2: Just a glorified running back. At this point.
Speaker 1: When he started games, he was turning the ball over
a bit. He's still very raw. He's basically a running
back right now. Arch is not your answer either. You're
kind of stuck with Quinn. Whatever you get from Quinn
at this point, and I don't think what Quinn has
is go to now if I think George has.
Speaker 3: Got it, yeah, I think so. What's the line on
that game? Probably Georgia by four and a half.
Speaker 1: The line on that game, Georgia is a two and
a half point underdog.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Really that must be some Vegas trickery. Yeah,
maybe they. I mean they always say Vegas knows something
we don't. But I'd be very shocked if Texas went
out there and put an asshop down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Mornecob Jim Brinston set to join us as we'll get
his thoughts on this PICTURELF Championship game, as well as
the rest of the college football playoff picture that's coming
up on the other side.
Speaker 2: Stay what's join us now? The program this week?
Speaker 1: Please to Welcome in from Fox Sports Radio in Phoenix.
He covers everything out in the desert, from Arizona to
Arizona State to the Cardinals, Suns and everything in between.
And he's also got ties to Iowa State as well.
Former radio host in des Mooine. It is our friend
Jimmy B. Jim Brinson who's back on the program to
talk about the Big Twelfth Championship Game, college Football Playoff
and more. Jimmy B joins us right now, Jimmy BE.
Always a pleasure of my friend. Any time we'll get
the chance to chat. How are we doing, Welcome back
to the show man.
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you for the offer, and I'm just glad
you're paying for the call.
Speaker 1: It's perfect, the checks still cashing. Glad the bills are
paid to make this call happen.
Speaker 2: Jimmy B.
Speaker 1: Jimmy B, you know both these schools so well, Arizona
State and Iowa State. I think that a good place
to start is just the fact that both these teams
are here with a chance to not only win the
Big Twelfth title, but get a spot in the College
Football Playoff. What a story for both these schools to
be in this position here Jimmy b.
Speaker 4: Well, it is to be honest with you. Ironically, before
the season began and they had the Big Twelve media days,
Arizona State was picked at the bottom of the Big twelve,
the bottom of the Big twelve. Iowa State was in
the middle six seven, right in there. And it's interesting
because these two teams pretty much mirror each other. And
here's how I explain that. You have a coach in
Matt Campbell at Iowa State and a coach in Kenny
Dillingham at ASU. Both of them have extensive experience in
major college football games. It's not like these two guys
are I guess newbies to playing in big time college football.
They have both been around the block. They have been
involved in big time college football game. What makes this
game so interesting is that you have a quarterback of
ASU in Sam Levitt and a quarterback at ISU in
Rock Obeck who can really sling the football. Both of
these guys can and they are both excellent runners as well,
So if the pocket breaks down, you can look for
these qbs to take off and use their legs to
pick up serious yardage. So that's just the beginning of
the comparison. Tyler I'm gonna tell you this this game,
and I know that the wise guys in Vegas, I
think they have it at two and a half right now,
Iowa State getting two and a half. To be honest
with you, I can see this game easily being just
a field goal game. That's how close these teams are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is something else. I think you're absolutely right
about that. And going into this Arizona State's got a
ton of momentum. Iowa State lost two games in the
month of November, but they have played better the last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Here, what way are you kind of leaning towards one
way or the other?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 2: Do you have a slight edge one way between these
two teams?
Speaker 4: Well, here's a couple of things that I'll point out.
And for Arizona State, they far and away have the
best running back in cam Skataboo. He is a freight train,
He's a load. He should be in Heisman Trophy conversations,
but not at the top of the list, but his
name should be brought up. On the other hand, ASU
has lost their top wide receiver. He's out for the
rest of the year due to injury, so that will
hurt them as far as the passing game is concerned.
Iowa State, on the other hand, has Abu Sama who
is the speedback, and then another back in Carson Nelson
who is the bruising back. Carson Hanson excuse me, who
is the bruising back and can also run extremely well.
So in this game, it's going to be extremely important
a for Arizona State for Cam Scattaboo to pick up
one hundred to one hundred and fifty yards on the
ground and be involved in the passing game if ASU
is going to be successful. For Iowa State, they feature
two wide receivers that both went over one thousand yards receiving,
so it gives you an idea the quality of whiteouts
that Iowa State has. So they're running backs don't have
to be that big time one hundred and fifty yard rusher.
They could run for seventy and sixty a piece. But
yet their two wide receivers will be instrumental in how
effective the offense is going to be for Iowa State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna be awesome to see exactly
what they could do. In Scataboo, who you mentioned, I mean,
what a job that he has done this year. I
know that he battled injury there for a bit, but
to come back, and you mentioned should be mentioned in
the conversation for the Heisan Trophy there. I mean, I'll
look at him roun. It's like watching Toby Gerhart two
point zero or something. I mean, he's got maybe a
little more speed, but what he's done with that running game,
I mean, it's real simple, Jimmy Bee. If you run
the football well and play great defense like you got
championship DNA.
Speaker 2: And that's been this team's key all season long.
Speaker 1: They've done that so well on it with him, and
their defenses come a long ways too since last year.
Speaker 4: But their defense does struggle against a top passer and
top wide receivers, meaning Arizona State, and that's exactly what
Iowa State has. The key for ASU against Iowa State's
offense when they are going to the air will be
to put pressure on Rock Obeck, the quarterback for the Cyclones.
If he has time at any time to set his
feet just for a moment, he is going to complete
that pass. He's that good of a thrower. Now for
Arizona State, Sam Levitt is a terrific thrower of the
football as well. And he's not afraid, as I mentioned earlier,
to take off and run with it. However, with the
loss of his top wide receiver, that is going to
change some things. And I know that the term is
always next man up. Well, the difference for Arizona State
is is they don't have a next man up who
was as good as Tyron Jordan, who is not going
to be able to play, and so that is going
to impact the game. I don't know exactly when or
how it's going to do it, but it will impact
the game that Jordan is not in the starting lineup
for AESU.
Speaker 1: These two coaches, Mett Campbell, he's done a terrific job
in and I always stayed a while now and.
Speaker 2: You know, winning ten games this year, first time in
program history, I believe.
Speaker 4: The other side in nineteen twelve, nineteen twelve, Jimmy Bane
was called that game. I did that game on on
the Mutual Radio Network.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were you were what twenty four back then,
you know, yeah, yes, exactly, exactly, just a young and yeah.
And then Kenny Dillingham on the other side, you know,
just his second year, obviously an Arizona State guy.
Speaker 2: Huge for him, I'm looking at you know.
Speaker 1: Sure, both these guys, their names are going to come
up for conversations for other jobs this offseason. But both
of them seem, like Jimmy, be very committed, very happy
with where they're at. And I don't think if these
guys stay, I don't think this is going to be
the last we hear about Iowa State and Arizona State
and the national conversation here.
Speaker 4: I'm with you on that one hundred percent, and you
are correct about both coaches. Matt Campbell's name has been
floated out for the last couple of years. Every time
a job comes up, Oh, Matt Campbell, He's on the list,
but he never takes it. He likes Ames, Iowa was
just about thirty minute drive forty minute drive tops north
of Des Moines, Iowa. He loves the setup, his family
loves it there. He's paid extremely well over four mil,
so trust me, the money's not an issue, and he
likes the situation that he is in. For Kenny Dillingham,
remember he was the offensive coordinator at Oregon. Came in
last season, the team won only a few games, and
he had to blow up almost everything. And I believe
that only Dion Sanders at Colorado in the Big Twelve
signed more transfer portal kids than ASU did, and I
think it was something like only two or three in
the difference. So he retooled his entire team, including bringing
in the quarterback in Sam Levin. Cam Scattaboo was there
last year and stayed to play again this year. So
those are the comparisons between Iowa States coaches and ASU's coaches.
Both of them have an excellent coaching staff as far
as assistants are con Remember Brock Purty, mister Irrelevant, played
his football at Iowa State. Now, of course he's a
top notch NFL quarterback with the San Francisco forty nine
ers Sam Levitt. If he continues to play the way
that he is playing right now for Arizona State, he
will also have a chance to be at NFL QB.
That's how talented these coaching staffs are. They know how
to get kids in and they know how.
Speaker 2: To coach them up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Rockaback looks like a future NFL
quarterback too, And obviously he's the son of a former
NFL great and Anthony Beck as well. So yeah, watch
you out there now looking at the college football playoff
picture here with both these two teams, it's a play
in game. Whoever wins is going to be in the
playoff and the loser will be eliminated.
Speaker 2: Do you think that either one of these.
Speaker 1: Teams can uh, you know, not only you obviously get
to the playoff, but potentially make a run.
Speaker 2: Could could they win a game or two and make
this interesting?
Speaker 1: And and which one of these teams you think is
is better suited potentially to h to be competitive in
the in the collegetball playoff?
Speaker 4: All right, now, you're really putting my feet to the
fire here. First off, the college football Playoff Committee, they
just suck. They're terrible with what they have done. They
I have no idea how you can have Tennessee Alabama.
They're not playing in any championship games coming up this weekend,
yet they are already locked in. So, in other words,
the committee says, well, we don't really care about the
championship games. We're just going to lock into the teams
that we think should be in. It's it's horrible the
way that this is kind of played it its way out.
And SMU already a commissioner, Wardle on ESPN came out
and stated when they were asked the question, if SMU
gets beat by Clemson in the ACC Championship game, wouldn't
they just drop a couple slots or would they be out?
He says, well, there's probably a good chance they'd be out.
They would only have two losses, which means a three
loss team has already locked themselves in to a spot,
which just makes it awful. Now, look it. If you
want to call it the SEC and the Big Ten Invitational,
why don't you just call it that, because that's essentially
what this committee is doing right now. I would have
had Miami still in. I would have left Alabama out
due to their three losses. Look, you were a twenty
three point favorite at Vanderbilt and you got beat. Then
you went to Oklahoma, a team that has struggled all
year long, has won only six games, and you got
your hat handed to you. Oh wait a minute, I
forgot the second to the last game of the season.
You did have a big victory against Mercer. Okay, maybe
that's what the committee is looking at. I get it.
All I'm saying is is that the winner of the
Big Twelve, if they are passed up by Alabama or
Tennessee teams that didn't even compete in a championship playoff game,
then this thing has gone to hell in a handbasket
right away.
Speaker 1: I'm with youa and on top of that too, right now,
if the playoff were to begin today, the Big Twelve
champion would be the twelve seed, the last team in
the postseason, and would also have to play a first
round game.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have a first round by.
Speaker 1: That would go to the Mountain West champion, assuming that's
Boise States. And I know Boise States had a fun year,
but you know their best game they lost to Oregon.
Speaker 2: They've played a cupcame scheduled about in West. I'm looking
at that, Jimmy B.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's Boise State or u at
LV the gauntlet the Big Twelve has gone through here.
Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous that.
Speaker 1: We're even sitting in this spot to Arizona State or
Iowa State, either one could have to be playing a
first round game on the road and not get that
first round by going to the Mountain West champion here.
Speaker 2: What say you?
Speaker 4: Well, I agree with you, and so does the Big
Twelve commissioner Yarnoff who came out today and stated, no
way is a Group of five team going to be
ranked above a Big twelve team. In other words, what
the committee is essentially doing is just trying to scrap
the Big twelve and the ACC. As I referenced before,
they would love to have five Big ten schools in,
five SEC teams in and then two open spots. One
would probably go to Notre Dame and then the last
one would be Big twelve or Group of five or ACC.
Pick your poison. That's the way that this thing smells,
and it smells bad, but it is what it is.
We can bitch about it all we want, and it's
not going to change. They're going to make the call.
But it just goes to show you how rig this
system is from the get go. And here you have.
How about this Ohio State losing at home to Michigan,
not the championship Michigan team from last year, a Michigan
team that has won only six games, and Ohio State
even win on their home turf, and they lose thirteen
to ten. They score only ten points against a team
in Michigan that won only six games, and look, and
they dropped them four spots Miami lost on the road
in a highly competitive game against a nine and three
Syracuse team. It was Miami's only second loss, and they
lost by a touchdown on the road against a nine
and three team, and the committee dropped them out of
the top football playoff teams dropped them out, so now
they're on the outside looking in. It stinks. There's nothing
you can do about it, and we're just gonna have
to play by their rules.
Speaker 1: After this weekend, yeah, we'll get a few more benfluff
here with Jimmy B. Jimmy B, let me ask you,
looking at the other championship game games, what are you
excited about?
Speaker 2: What what picks your interest here this weekend?
Speaker 4: Well, I certainly do want to see what takes place
with SMU and Clemson. I really want the Ponies to
win that game. Nothing against Clemson. I'm fine with Clemson,
but I just don't want SMU to totally get hosed
by the committee, and it's already been stated that they
most likely will. I'm also intrigued about the Oregon Penn
State Big Ten matchup. Now, Oregon did go to Michigan
and found a way to win that game on a
cold day against the so called slow the tempo down
big ten teams. I want to see how that high
powered Oregon offense handles a team like Penn State who
plays big ball defense, and they also have enough skill
players on offense where they can put points on the board.
But here's the kicker, where are they playing that game.
They are playing that game in Indianapolis where the Colts
play Lucas Oil Field, and it's indoors, so the elements
will not be a factor in that game whatsoever? For me?
That truly favors the Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 2: I agree, and you look at that Oregon team.
Speaker 1: I know that they're the last unbeaten here at this
point and started out a little rough but played much
better down the stretch.
Speaker 2: I like what Oregon's doing, Jimmy Bee.
Speaker 1: But if I had to bet right now going to
this playoff of Oregon or the field, I have not
seen anything that says like, hey, Oregon's just going to
dominate this thing by any stretch of the imagination, I
would take the field every day right now over Oregon.
Speaker 2: What say you I would do?
Speaker 4: I just think there are too many teams. Look, member
Ohio State went to Oregon, they only watched that game
by point. Yeah, so, and and I just think that
there are too many teams right now. Georgia is a
team that you're going to have to really take a
look at and look, like I said, again, here's another team,
got a couple losses, but they're not playing this weekend,
but they're already in, they're already set. So it's a
very unfair schedule. And the thing that really sticks in
my crow is that you have the Big Ten, the
Big Twelve, group of five. All of those conferences play
nine conference games. The SEC still only plays eight. So
if you want to get into what the differences are
in the conference and talk about the scheduling and the
power of each schedule, remember that the SEC plays one
game less than the Big Twelve and the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the ACC of course plays eight games as well.
But yeah, you're you're absolutely right about that. One more
thing on Arizona State here, JIMMYB. We were talking you
and I earlier the week and you brought up how
there's so many alums from Arizona State and the DFW area.
We know that that's such a giant school. What's kind
of the excitement level at for this Arizona State program
of where they're at in the Big Twelve, being in
the Big Twelve championship, first year in the league and everything.
I know that they were, you know, in the Pac
twelve for so long and they love playing with those
West Coast schools, but now coming to Dallas, getting to
play at eighteen and T Stadium and everything like, how
would how would you summarize how people feel about this
this first year for this team and in their new
stomping grounds.
Speaker 4: It is off the charts and it's hard to be
the the top sports team when you play in a
professional market. Just like what you know in football in
that area, Cowboys dominate, SMU and TCU they take a
backseat to the Dallas Cowboys. Same way here Cardinals dominate
and ASU has not been good. So now that they
are good, this is all brand new territory and people
are coming out of the woodwork in an effort to
try to get to that game. It's not that big
a deal to get there from here, and so I
think they're going to be very well represented. I will
tell you this, Iowa State always always travels great, and
it wouldn't shock me if there were twenty to thirty
thousand Iowa state fans in Dallas for this game on Saturday.
Speaker 1: It'll be a lot of fun. Jimmy Bay, Appreciate the time.
Always a pleasure when we get the chance to chat
my friend. Enjoy the games this weekend and we'll catch
you up again down the line. Appreciate you jodous Man,
always real pal.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you. Have a good night.