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Late last night, Trump posted on his truth social platform
that Tom Homan, who was the former acting director of ICE,
Immigration and Customs Enforcement from the first administration, is now
going to be in charge of our nation's borders. All right,
let's read Trump's posts from last night. It says, I'm
pleased to announce that the former ICE director and stalwart
on border control, Tom Homan, will be joining the administration
in charge of our nation's borders. In quotes, the borders
are including, but not limited to, this southern border, the
northern border, all maritime and aviation security. I've known Tom
for a long time, and there is nobody better at
policing and controlling our borders. Likewise, Tom Homan will be
in charge of all deportation of illegal aliens back to
their country of origin. Congratulations to Tom. I have no
doubt he will do a fantastic and long awaited for job. Now, look,
let me be clear about something. I know Donald Trump
better than all of you combined. I know Donald better
than Tom Homan. This is a promise that he said
that he intended to do, literally going back to the
initial campaign of twenty fifteen, and you may remember everything
that happened with the children and the separation. These. To me,
while I am one hundred percent for borders, I believe
that a country without borders quite is in a country
at all, something I had said to Trump and he
ultimately adopted. However it is that he describes it. But
what I'm not okay with is the separation of the
families and the chaos that it ultimately ensues. So I
want to show you three clips of Home and talking
about deportation in the past, and specifically the separation of families.
So first, here's a clip on sixty minutes talking about
the price of deportation. Play the clip.
Speaker 2: We have seen one estimate that says it would cost
eighty eight billion dollars to deport a million people a year.
I don't know if that's accurd or not.
Speaker 3: Is that what American taxpayers should expect.
Speaker 2: What price do you put on a national security? Is
that worth it? Is there a way to carry out
mass deportation without separating families? Of course, families can be
deported together.
Speaker 1: Okay, So why didn't they do it the first time
when he was the undersecretary. I don't know. My hope is, again,
I believe that you come into this country, you need
to come into the country legally. There needs to be
a better process all of this. My hope is that
this new administration coming in will actually tackle it, but
tackle it from a human perspective, an American perspective. But
then here's Homan arguing with AOC about separating families during deportation.
Play that clip this memo.
Speaker 4: You're not the author, but you signed the memo.
Speaker 2: Yes, a zero tolerance memo.
Speaker 4: So you provided the official recommendation to Secretary Nielsen on
families for the United States to pursue family separation.
Speaker 5: Gave Secretary Nielsen numerous recommendations on how to secure the
border and save lives.
Speaker 4: But it says here that you gave her numerous options,
but the recommendation was option three, family separation.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying this is not the only paper where
were given the Secretary numerous options to secure the border
and saved lives.
Speaker 4: And so the recommendation of the many that you recommended,
you recommended family separation.
Speaker 2: I recommend a zero tolerance.
Speaker 4: Which includes family separation.
Speaker 5: The same as is whenever US citizen parent gets arrested when.
Speaker 2: They're with the child.
Speaker 4: Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children
from there.
Speaker 5: If I get arrested for GUI and I have a
young child in a car, I won't be separated. When
I also police officer in New York and I arrested
a father for domestic violence, I separate that.
Speaker 2: Mister Olmer, with.
Speaker 4: All two respect legal assylies are not charged with any crime.
Speaker 5: When you're in the country, I legally is violation eighty
United States Code thirteen twenty five.
Speaker 4: Seeking asylum is legal.
Speaker 2: Do you want to seek asilamon to go through the
port of entry? Do it the legal way. The Attorney
General of the United States had made that clear.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Look again, one of the biggest problems that
we constantly see is you really don't get an answer.
I mean, these these hearings, they don't really produce too much.
You know, basically there's a lot of showmanship. AOC was
asking what I would consider it to be very direct questions.
You know, at that time, Hope mister Homan made the
determination that he was going to play a wordsmithing game.
And then she then, of course tries to push back,
and then he then pushes back, and then it goes
into a tangent about how when he was a police
officer here in New York on a you know, on
some sort of a domestic violence case that you get
separated again. There's so much that's going on here. One
of the things that we all have to keep our
eyes on as this new administration will come into play
come January twentieth, is what exactly is the policy? You said,
we'll all acknowledge that our immigration system is broken. I
hope we can all acknowledge together that our immigration system
has been broken for many, many years, in fact, probably
more than fifty now. I do know that there are
several Republican centers like Langford who has come up with
a policy that they believe is very conservative. But it
also doesn't It doesn't sort of again dehumanize these individuals,
nor does it put the United States in a negative light.
Throughout the world. Now, many people are going to turn
and say, come on, you know they're here illegally. They
need to go again. Again, there needs to be a
total overhaul. Question is not whether or not an overhaul
is needed. The question that we really need to ask
ourselves is how to accomplish it? Right? I mean, you
know he could turn around, for that matter, and just
turn around and say, you know what, if you're illegal
and you're on this some and on our country, then
you know we have the ability to, as Donald had
once said, shoot him in the legs as they're trying
to come through. Or can't we just shoot at them.
The answer to that is no, No, that's not who
we are. It's not who we are as a country. Again,
I don't disagree with the notion that we need better
border controls and that only people who are coming in
here illegally should be permitted to Till my wife came here,
till my father came here, it's how my grandmother came here.
For God's sakes, let's be let's be real. Nobody's arguing
that it's just again how they implement the policy, and
nothing that's zero tolumn ever really works out Now, finally,
here's the clip of Homan being really kind of rude
to Promila Gipaul while discussing deportation. Play the clip.
Speaker 5: You were saying that I wish so many Democrat leadership
would say that out loud.
Speaker 2: Look, you want to know why there's fifty thousand people
in attention you, why and why we have a million
one man into the entries in the United States.
Speaker 5: You want to not have these issues because you have
failed to secure the border. You have failed to work
with this president to close the three loopholes we've asked
for two years to close.
Speaker 2: So if you want to know why this issue exists,
you need to look in the mirror. You need you
have failed. American people are not securing the border and
closing loopholes.
Speaker 3: Mister Homan. Look, please respect the chair and the authority
of the chair. The time of the gentleman has expired.
Speaker 5: I've asked you polite to let me go beyond my time,
and you let other people go beyond their turn, but
not to Tom Holman.
Speaker 2: He don't get me go beyond this time.
Speaker 3: Mister Homan. We have this is three minsen the Republicans
and the Democrats with the ranking member we increase the
time of one witness at one member of Congress who
was interrupted by a protest. That is done with the
approval of the ranking member. Please respect the chairs authority.
Speaker 2: The respect the chair. You work for me. I'm a taxpayer.
I'm a taxpayer. You work for me.
Speaker 3: The witness will suspend you.
Speaker 1: See performative art. It's why Donald likes this guy so much.
He's a fighter. He's willing to turn around and to
say to the chair, fuck you.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: This is a policy that Trump wants to enact. He's
always wanted to enact this type of a zero tolerance
immigration policy. And here Homan wasn't going to stand for
Jaiapaul's you know comments and so on. He wasn't going
to do that. He was going to push back. And
that's what Trump. He wants everybody to fight. He likes
this chaos. This chaos is not what the rest of
us are hoping for. Who knows how this next administration
is going to run all we can do. And many
people get angry at me when I say I'm hopeful,
not optimistic, but I am hopeful that there will be civility,
that they will be able to work across the aisle
with one another in order to pass rules and regulations
and laws that benefit all American people, and so who knows. Again,
all we can do is hope, and I hope to
see you guys here on the show very very soon.
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