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<v Speaker 1>This podcast is brought to you by Justice talking always

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<v Speaker 1>like a bat, be off culture chaos and you saved legs.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a lost stream.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Ryan, wait what nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, No, when you have something to say, go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to the behind the scenes team. Sorry

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<v Speaker 2>my bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you Why don't you explain your current situation?

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<v Speaker 2>My current situation. Oh, I'm in New Hampshire dog sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not give me permission to share.

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<v Speaker 1>That, so, oh, you can't share the dogs names.

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<v Speaker 2>The dogs did not reforremshing to hear that, So that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's very so I like not having a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know years ago that when you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I know, dogs are more high maintenance than a cat.

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<v Speaker 1>But with the cats, I would just leave for days.

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<v Speaker 1>But with a dog, I figured, like, oh, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to check on them once a day. But like, dog

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<v Speaker 1>sitters live at your house, which I did not realize that,

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<v Speaker 1>which is crazy. I mean, you're not You're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>for a family member, which is very kind, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>really intense.

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<v Speaker 2>They're I mean, these guys are I mean, surprisingly for

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<v Speaker 2>the size of them, they're very low key. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>like too, like over a maintenanced I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the case of them getting used to you is just

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest part of it. It's like, Okay, who the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck is this person here? But I couldn't imagine like

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<v Speaker 2>bringing them to another house like that would be for them.

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<v Speaker 2>That must be brutal. It's must be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're both pretty large and hairy from the looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it, very much so, so I'm on their turf,

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<v Speaker 2>which is totally fine. I will follow the rules, but

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<v Speaker 2>if they break them, I am not going to enforce them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was. That's what I told the parents

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<v Speaker 2>of the dogs, just so you know clearly I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>their turf.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially when you're doing it for free. Like when I

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<v Speaker 1>would babysit. I don't really babysit a lot anymore because

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<v Speaker 1>a my nieces are older, but also be they live

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<v Speaker 1>like over an hour away. But when they used to

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<v Speaker 1>live in Charlestown and I lived in Charlestown, I would

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<v Speaker 1>babysit them all the time, and Megan would Megan would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, don't have them watch TV the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would say, I'm gonna do whatever I want

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<v Speaker 1>because you're you're not here and I'm babysitting for free.

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<v Speaker 1>So then Megan would be like, all right, like, because

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<v Speaker 1>what do you say to that?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But we would watch TV the whole time, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I would give them ice cream because who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>This? The tone here is much more you are not

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<v Speaker 2>doing what we need you to do, so we will

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<v Speaker 2>make you do it. That is how think copy go

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<v Speaker 2>about things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually not that different with kids, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just a little bark enough.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're very good dudes and very low maintenance guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So well as Huey Lewis, I believe it. Huey Lewis said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it. This is the podcast I've been waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for for almost a decade. It's like six hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty episodes. And to mark this occasion, I'm having the

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<v Speaker 1>most expensive liquor in my house, which I believe this

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<v Speaker 1>is awful. I hope I'm getting this right. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>Pep gave this to me for my birthday. If I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and you're listening and you gave it to me,

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<v Speaker 1>feel free to correct correct. But it's the The Tear

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<v Speaker 1>Canal Tier Connell The Teerconnell Teerconnell single malt Irish whiskey,

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<v Speaker 1>aged ten years. I had never had this before getting

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<v Speaker 1>it as a gift, and it is fucking awesome. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to not drink. Like Andy Juno collects really

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<v Speaker 1>nice whiskeys, and I want to do that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't because I just drink them. We actually have a

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<v Speaker 1>rule now that there's no hard liquor allowed in the

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<v Speaker 1>house because and it's not like Shannon's not much better

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<v Speaker 1>than me, but I just drink it, and Shannon drinks

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<v Speaker 1>the two. So the rule is like, we can't avoc

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<v Speaker 1>him if we have. If I buy a handle of

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<v Speaker 1>vodka right now, it would be gone in forty eight hours. Wow, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't. It's it's too dangerous, so we don't. We

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<v Speaker 1>need it. But this is a special occasion and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna toast Ryan to you. This is the Dark Knight

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<v Speaker 1>Pod t DK t DK and we got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of feedback, a lot of letters from the Batman Begins pod,

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<v Speaker 1>so people are really enjoying it. I'm gonna read a

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<v Speaker 1>few of them. These are the letters that were mailed

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<v Speaker 1>in to me. Jimmy, shut up, Ryan, don't don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>go behind the scenes and ruin it for the listen. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was not even no, I haven't put it out yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But dude, I haven't put it out yet Ryan, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I mean Joe sh Love does call him over recording,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's something out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, by the time this is put out, they will

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<v Speaker 1>be put out. And the letters I receiver from the

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon listeners who got to listen to the Drek Knight

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<v Speaker 1>Potter early Okay, this is Jimmy from Denver wrote, lifelong

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<v Speaker 1>sets her fan. Finally the man is getting some recognition.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks guys, Thank you. Jimmy. Jonah from Kansas City said

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to jump driving Whale through this whole series.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very nice. Paula Paula from Wichita wrote, Paula's in

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<v Speaker 1>the ice box looking for a Dark Knight pod. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, paul It. She sure was. She she sure was. Yikes,

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<v Speaker 1>she sure will. Two on from Vietnam wrote, we all

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<v Speaker 1>love you here. When are you visiting?

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<v Speaker 2>That is true? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right yeah. And then finally, Joe Schlub writes in you

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<v Speaker 1>were very dismissive of the Swing Revive all it was

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<v Speaker 1>featured in more movies than just Swing Kids, you left

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<v Speaker 1>out the mask and also Swingers fuck you.

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<v Speaker 2>He is not wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's that's very true.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote a note because we're talking about how while

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<v Speaker 1>you're waiting for the Imax to play, they play the

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<v Speaker 1>Swing Revival song Zoo two Riot. They also play the

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<v Speaker 1>Dirty Boogie, don't they? Yes, Yeah, isn't that Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Setzer Any insanely annoying song is played in that Preyo

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<v Speaker 2>to the day to this day it's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the only place I've ever heard the dirt

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<v Speaker 1>the Dirty Boogey, and like the spotlight is moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I have enough to do that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Which, I saw this in the IMAX Great transition,

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<v Speaker 1>and I forgot to mention at the end of The

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<v Speaker 1>that I really enjoyed where I at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, Commissioner Gordon says, I forgot to think, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what does he say? I never thanked you? He says

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of The Dark Knight, I never thanked you,

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<v Speaker 1>And Batman says, and you'll never have to, But can

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he just he just lost Wayne Manner, so

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<v Speaker 1>If if Batman asked Commissioner Gordon for thirty Bucks, Commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon would be so concerned, deeply, deeply concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>And he knows it's happening again. He knows it's going

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<v Speaker 1>But we we You said it will take an entire

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<v Speaker 1>episode to do this, and it might. I mean, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not anticipating that, but it might. You wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about at length the build up to The Dark Knight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember where and when you saw The Dark

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I saw Midnight Show in Imax and.

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<v Speaker 1>Reading and read and reading is how's and reading?

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<v Speaker 1>But what what year did Dark Knight was two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Summer of two thousand and eight, So I just graduated

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<v Speaker 1>college and Dark Knight Sorry, Dark Knight Batman Begins was

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<v Speaker 1>five Yeah, okay, so there's a three year build up

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<v Speaker 1>where at the end of the of Begins we realized

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody was like, Holy Mother of God. So I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote down a timeline, but why don't you start discussing

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<v Speaker 1>the build up while I pull this up?

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan, Sure, I'm sure your timeline will correct a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this. So, like you said, the ending occurs three years,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say like maybe like six oh seven. You start

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<v Speaker 2>getting more of the announcements of casting who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in it. First of actually a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>announcements are going to be are they going to do

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<v Speaker 2>another one? Because again we said before, Like I said before,

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<v Speaker 2>begins to not make a ton of money. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it was as big as success as they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>it to be, but I can't imagine they were doubting it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I knew it was not considered to be a massive,

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<v Speaker 2>massive hit. So then I think, oh six, because they

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<v Speaker 2>must have shot it. Then they start doing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the casting announcements in the movie. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing about this movie too, specifically is they

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed the title of this movie. That probably was the

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<v Speaker 2>to call it The Dark Knight, in which we all

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<v Speaker 2>erupted with joy, and it was going to be going

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<v Speaker 2>for something different, not the style we saw a Batman Begins.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the big kind of announcement about it that

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<v Speaker 2>no one had made. I think after that is they

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<v Speaker 2>announced they're doing I think they announced it. That could

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<v Speaker 2>be wrong. I know they announce obviously they knew the Joker,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think they announced they are also doing two

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<v Speaker 2>a smart idea about Batman Begins was not starting with

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<v Speaker 2>villains that we had seen in the movies before, so

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, Okay, we're doing two heavy hitters in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. I could be wrong about the two face part.

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<v Speaker 2>Then after that, and I'm sure I know we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this a lot on the Heath Ledger of podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but a big thing is the announcement of Heath Ledger

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<v Speaker 2>playing the Joker and the kind of discussions that strung

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<v Speaker 2>up after. And I think they announced it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I think, do they release the photo at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time or no, is it after they announced it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't totally remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to think they knew the photo was

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<v Speaker 2>not too long after, because they did the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with Bain where they released this kind of black and

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<v Speaker 2>white and red photo of him, and it's just very

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<v Speaker 2>it's very like it's not like an actual photo. It's

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<v Speaker 2>much more of like block out the background and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But there was just a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>casting talk around this movie in general. Who was going

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<v Speaker 2>to play the Joker. There was rumors that like Robin

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<v Speaker 2>Williams wanted to play him because he had been in

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<v Speaker 2>Insomnia and he always wanted to play that kind of character.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets strung along during the first Batman movie with that,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was this other comedian guy. There was rumors

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<v Speaker 2>of Sean Penn. There was just always this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>So I was doing research. I asked AI, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>Ledger was mostly known in the American public as a

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<v Speaker 1>romantic lead, which is complete bullshit. By the way, he

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Nicholson's Joker was so iconic in the nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>nine Batman that nobody thought anyone could be able to

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<v Speaker 1>backlash message boards lit up saying it was a miscast.

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<v Speaker 1>People were outraged. It was very similar to the tone

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<v Speaker 1>Batman in nineteen eighty nine, which is which is a

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<v Speaker 1>great point. But I've said this a million times on

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the time, but a broken clock is right

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<v Speaker 1>is I was telling everyone that had any idea about

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<v Speaker 1>like movies or comics or whatever. I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Fledger is going to fucking crush the Joker. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was because I had seen like every heath Ledger

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<v Speaker 1>heath Ledger podcast series. But he was in A Night's

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<v Speaker 1>Tale in two thousand and one, which is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>like cookie cutter role. But then he played Billy Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Ned Kelly. He was in Lords of Dogtown, which is

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<v Speaker 1>one of your favorite roles of his ever. He completely

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<v Speaker 1>transformed himself in that role. He was in Broke Back Mountain,

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<v Speaker 1>which is hello, Like, to pull off Ennis and Broke

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<v Speaker 1>Back Mountain, you have to be an acting god to

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<v Speaker 2>Nominated for an Oscar that year for it, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're a complete introvert, stoic cowboy who's undergoing a

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<v Speaker 1>hurricane of inner turmoil that you can't show, but you

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<v Speaker 1>a drug addict, and he was in I'm Not There,

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<v Speaker 1>and then following following that, The Dark Knight. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think of there's any other ten things I

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<v Speaker 1>not a super challenging role. He has an Australian accent,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very charismatic. He's a very very charismatic guy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, and to go with your comment earlier, I was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the people who is like, I don't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I had not seen Broke Back Mountain, I had not

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<v Speaker 2>had only really seen ten things. I had seen Monster's Ball.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't see it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't gonna call you out because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a dickhead. But I remember having this

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<v Speaker 1>Paul was the same way, but not as strongly as you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was like I don't remember, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think Paul was disappointed with the choice, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>telling you both, like, no, you were wrong. He is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be great. So he was cast. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, Oh Wow, filming and viral marketing began

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<v Speaker 1>where it was filmed in Chicago. They started the why

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<v Speaker 1>So Serious viral campaign, which is one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>influential film marketing efforts in the history of cinema.

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<v Speaker 2>Huge, huge marketing on this movie marketing, giant this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Marketing, and I remember they released because they knew, like

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Warner Brothers was like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>producers were like, all right, let's see the dailies of

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<v Speaker 1>heard Ledger's performance and they were like, holy fucking shit,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is gonna be so I remember this, like

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<v Speaker 1>the studio intentionally leaked only the audio of Heath Ledgers

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<v Speaker 1>the Joker, and I remember fans listening to it were like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is fake. This is not Heath Ledger. This can't

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<v Speaker 1>possibly be Heath Fledger in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is the genius move they did after.

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<v Speaker 1>The okay they released? Was it the tape in the kitchen?

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<v Speaker 2>No, the first teaser was just the bat symbol on

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<v Speaker 1>Oh part yes, Sorry, I'm interrupting you with those fucking

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant describe describe this in detail.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just the bat symbol that you see in

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<v Speaker 2>the opening credits of this movie, but it's falling apart

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<v Speaker 2>in a different way, and the music is just blaring

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<v Speaker 2>from Batman begins, and you hear Bruce Wayne saying like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like, how do I like it's that

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<v Speaker 2>whole scene that happens later and Alfred. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>line is Alfred is like you hammered them. They went

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<v Speaker 2>to someone they didn't fully understand. And then it's just silence,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you see the Batman simple disintegrating. And then

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<v Speaker 2>all you hear is the Joker saying I'm a man

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<v Speaker 2>of my word, and it's just like that, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh shit, okay, Like you're like, okay, this should be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw nothing. That's the trailer. You see nothing. Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so so brilliant, and and people were losing

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<v Speaker 1>their she about this movie coming out. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>most anticipated already at this point, it was the most

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<v Speaker 1>anticipated movie of the decade. And then and I might

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<v Speaker 1>And then the movie is planning to come out in

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<v Speaker 1>July of two thousand and eight. In January two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight, it's already eleven out of ten hyped, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is so excited to see Heath Ledger's Joker. In

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<v Speaker 1>January of two thousand and eight, six months before the

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<v Speaker 2>Can we backtrack for one thing? Yes, so this is

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<v Speaker 2>obviously more important. In November of two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Warner Brothers decides to put the opening scene of this

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<v Speaker 2>movie in Imax in front of I Am Legend, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>as a preview, and it was the biggest mistake for

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<v Speaker 2>I Am Legend to ever make, but the genius move

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<v Speaker 2>of their part, because that was the first time you

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<v Speaker 2>saw live footage of this happening in action. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to the scene, but it was just fucking electric.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like people were going to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>And even I think I Am Legends a very good movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I don't want to bash it.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrible, terrible ending ruined the whole movie. The ending was.

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<v Speaker 2>Terrible, exactly agreed, agreed, But this footage was an IMAX

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<v Speaker 2>and people were literally just going to see it to

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<v Speaker 2>set a footage. The footage got pirated. Also, one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>if people are interested at all, this version of the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer is on YouTube. I think it's like a pirated

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<v Speaker 2>version of it or whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>The Imax preview after the footage was just fucking sick.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like the burning fire truck on the

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<v Speaker 2>street during the hit me scene. It was all the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff you were seeing for the first time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember just being like, I cannot fucking wait for this

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<v Speaker 2>movie to come out, just if not more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just to just to backtrack for one second on

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<v Speaker 1>Legend was a great movie with Willsonmith. It's a post

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<v Speaker 1>apocalyptic horror movie about a man and his dog where

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<v Speaker 1>he human beings are essentially have been turned into like

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<v Speaker 1>zombie vampires. But it was at nineteen fifty four book,

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<v Speaker 1>so this outdates, you know, the sixth sense by like

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<v Speaker 1>forty years. It's the ultimate twist ending book where at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the book, he's this lone guy who

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<v Speaker 1>goes around killing these vampires and then he realizes like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wait a minute, I'm the villain. Like the world

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<v Speaker 1>is now all zombie vampires and they're all terrified of

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<v Speaker 1>this one dude with his dog who goes around killing people,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that's the end of the book. He realizes

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<v Speaker 1>I am the villain in this. I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>like the hero trying to survive the apocalypse. So for

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<v Speaker 1>the for the Hollywood movie, they just sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just make a totally normal, non twist ending because

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<v Speaker 1>I will bum people out. And it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest missed opportunity ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it would have been amazing because it's also in

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this is just because it's more of my tone

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<v Speaker 2>of movie. One of the best Wolfsmith performances ever. He's

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<v Speaker 2>so good in that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He's so good. That's back when he he was batting

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand and hitting like eighty nine home runs a year.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just a sure thing. He was asking the

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<v Speaker 1>seat sure thing. But they actually filmed the original book

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<v Speaker 1>ending and then ended up going with the complete opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, Yeah, so Heath Ledger. Heath Ledger dies on

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<v Speaker 1>January twenty second in New York City. He accidentally overdosed

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<v Speaker 1>on a bunch of prescription medications, including sleeping pills, anti

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety pills, and painkillers. It was in his apartment. He

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<v Speaker 1>was with his massage therapists. And I've never really understood this,

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<v Speaker 1>but the massage therapist knew that he was really good

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<v Speaker 1>friends with Mary Kate Olsen or something, and then called

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<v Speaker 1>her to help with the situation, like I need security

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<v Speaker 1>to come right away. I think Heath Ledger is dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how, Like she was involved in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Kay Olson, which has always been bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very weird situation, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then so on obviously is that that's completely

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<v Speaker 1>tragic and horrible. But he dies in January and it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes the biggest news story in the world, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the movie's still about to come out, and all these

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<v Speaker 1>rumors spread, which were later completely disproven that he like

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<v Speaker 1>went crazy, like Jared Letto is so jealous of he'th

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<v Speaker 1>led You're dying because he tried so hard to like

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<v Speaker 1>be this but never is. But he like the rumor

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<v Speaker 1>was he went crazy playing the Joker and that he

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<v Speaker 1>would you know, stay up all night and not sleep

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<v Speaker 1>in the head of the Joker, and he was mentally

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<v Speaker 1>in the movie, and that's why he was like taking

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<v Speaker 1>all these meds and that's what actually killed him. All

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<v Speaker 1>this is completely not true, Like his parents and friends

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<v Speaker 1>and people that worked on The Dark Night all said like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is all bullshit, but like it was part of

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<v Speaker 1>the mythos of this movie, this movie, this role killed

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<v Speaker 1>him because it was so crazy, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>with like the Paul Walker with Furious seven, where like

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<v Speaker 2>people like, well, how are they going to handle this? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, I'm glad you went there, because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>please explain how he fledgers. The Joker is similar to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, Brian had his moments where he went crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be real, so they both also loved vehicles. But

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<v Speaker 2>but no, I agree like that. It's interesting now because

419
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<v Speaker 2>it's been a number of years, obviously since this movie

420
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<v Speaker 2>came out, how many of the co stars of the

421
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<v Speaker 2>movies have talked about him and been like that was

422
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<v Speaker 2>just not even the tone on set. There was no

423
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<v Speaker 2>like I'm being me fit, I'm always the joker. Michael

424
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<v Speaker 2>Ji White has an amazing video on YouTube of him

425
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<v Speaker 2>talking about that scene and how that whole experience was

426
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<v Speaker 2>and how it was like very fun and loose and

427
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<v Speaker 2>like he was very much like asking them at the table,

428
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<v Speaker 2>do you guys think this works? Is just do you

429
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<v Speaker 2>guys think he would like while he would do this stuff,

430
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<v Speaker 2>he would be like, do you guys think this is okay?

431
00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 2>He was so nervous about doing it right or doing

432
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<v Speaker 2>it well, especially because that pressure must be crazy. But

433
00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:18.599
<v Speaker 2>like all you hear is people just like, you know,

434
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<v Speaker 2>completely dismissing that rumor entirely. Yeah, I was.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Just watching random clips of William Freakin, who's a famous director.

436
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<v Speaker 1>What has he done? Ryan Like dog Day Afternoon?

437
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>No, not dog Day Exorcist? My god, Why am I

438
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<v Speaker 2>missing this? French connection?

439
00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, French connection, French connection. What do you do with Pacino?

440
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:45.400
<v Speaker 1>He did something with Pachinah Cruising, cruising, That's what it

441
00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 1>wasn't dog Day was cruising. It was the other movie

442
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<v Speaker 1>about LGBTQ with the with Patino. But William Freakin is

443
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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic interview, and he was talking about he just

444
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<v Speaker 1>doesn't give a ship.

445
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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't give a fuck, absolutely up.

446
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<v Speaker 1>And he was talking there talking about like working with

447
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<v Speaker 1>different actors, and he said, I did a movie with

448
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Tommi Lle Jones and Benicio del Toro. Tommi Lee Jones

449
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<v Speaker 1>came in and he had done all this preparation in

450
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<v Speaker 1>his head and wrote the story of his character's life

451
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<v Speaker 1>in his head and didn't tell me about it because

452
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. And then I was like, okay, Tommy,

453
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<v Speaker 1>you go over here and you say this, and you

454
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:19.559
<v Speaker 1>go over here and you say that, and he goes,

455
00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>got it, got it Bill, and we would shoot the

456
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>scene and it was perfect, but he still del Toro

457
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.920
<v Speaker 1>would be like, what was my character's childhood like? And

458
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<v Speaker 1>I would say, Benicio, I have no fucking idea, what

459
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>is your character's child I was like, And he also

460
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<v Speaker 1>Will Will don't freaking hates Paccino. He says, he's like

461
00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.759
<v Speaker 1>not a good actor. He's completely unprepared, he's an asshole.

462
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Loves Tommy Lee Jones, though we'll talk about how great

463
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Tommily Jones is at every opportunity. But so, that's very

464
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<v Speaker 1>interesting that Ledger was open to feedback from like Michael J.

465
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<v Speaker 1>White during the filming of this movie.

466
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<v Speaker 2>He's I mean a lot of them said like he

467
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<v Speaker 2>understandably was super nervous, Like you're doing this is someone

468
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:04.200
<v Speaker 2>made this role iconic and it's already an iconic character.

469
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>He was super nervous doing it.

470
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the only time in the history of

471
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<v Speaker 1>film that Okay, so, like, one of the most iconic

472
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<v Speaker 1>villains ever is Jack Nicholson's Joker. It was considered one

473
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<v Speaker 1>of the most iconic film villains ever.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Very coffee performance, yep.

475
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Unquestionably, Tommy Lee Jones who sucked and Batman forever like

476
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:31.079
<v Speaker 1>tried to copy it basically then so then so somebody's

477
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.599
<v Speaker 1>trying to live up to that. The hype for the

478
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>movie is eleven out of ten before the hype before

479
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.599
<v Speaker 1>he Thledger dies, then he dies, So now the hype

480
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<v Speaker 1>is twenty five out of ten. And you're going in

481
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:50.799
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, there is no way it would be impossible,

482
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>impossible for this movie to live up to the hype,

483
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:58.519
<v Speaker 1>and it exceeded the hype. It's never happened before.

484
00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 2>It's it's such a rarity where because really and truly

485
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the smartest thing about the marketing of these movies is

486
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:08.559
<v Speaker 2>they sold you on the visuals and the you know,

487
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.240
<v Speaker 2>the vibes of it, but you never knew the story

488
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:12.920
<v Speaker 2>of it. You never knew the plot of it. You

489
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.319
<v Speaker 2>just knew it was like, Okay, it's Batman and the Joker,

490
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.799
<v Speaker 2>see you there see and it was just like and

491
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>they just did a great job doing this stuff. Also,

492
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>something else that we can mention too that is a

493
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>very big thing with Batman movie specifically, is that the

494
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Joker poster of Joker going up to the translucent glass

495
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.519
<v Speaker 2>writing why so serious in Blood was one of the

496
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>most cut out stolen posters from movie theaters public places ever.

497
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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny because this happened with the nineteen eighty

498
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>nine Batman where people stole that poster one also hilarious

499
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.359
<v Speaker 2>one Batman returns that Catwoman poster was stolen a lot.

500
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:58.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it's really funny. So different reason, I would say,

501
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a much different reason. Yeah, actually of the design. But

502
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.079
<v Speaker 2>it's a very interesting thing that like even the smallest

503
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>marketing stuff had something like they were you can't plan

504
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.160
<v Speaker 2>for this type of hype. You can't. You just can't.

505
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 1>No, No, you can't. And uh uh where was I

506
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>going next?

507
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

508
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.079
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to tell the story of when I first

509
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>saw it. I was beyond I was so I was

510
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>so nervous. I was like I had butterflies of excitement.

511
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I was anxious in an excited way. It's like if

512
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 1>you were honestly, it's like if a beautiful, beautiful woman

513
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, uh meet like wait here twenty minutes

514
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'll be back in twenty minutes. I'll we'll get

515
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>a cocktail and then we can go up to my

516
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>hotel room and have sex. Like that's how excited I was.

517
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Or you get the school joker poster, joker poster.

518
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Joker roster. So I remember I made my girlfriend at

519
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the time go and she wanted to see it, so

520
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 1>but we got there so early. We got there hours

521
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>early because the way that IMAX was was you just

522
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>line up at the door and then his first come,

523
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>first served for the seats. We were not We're not

524
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:18.279
<v Speaker 1>We're not the first. I don't like that. We were

525
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 1>not the first people there. We were the second. We

526
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 1>were the third and fourth people there. There was a

527
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 1>couple before us, and I still remember the guy was

528
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like my age and he was wearing a green lantern

529
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>T shirt. So I was like, oh okay, like he's

530
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.279
<v Speaker 1>hardcore too, and I just thought I couldn't I couldn't

531
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 1>believe this is happening. Then we walked out of the

532
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>theater and my girlfriend said, you were so excited to

533
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>see it, Like what did you think? And I said,

534
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And then she was like, what do

535
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you mean And I said, it's there's just a lot

536
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>of emotions. I'm processing a lot. I don't know, like

537
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I need to I need to wait a day for

538
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>this movie to soak in because I was just so

539
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.119
<v Speaker 1>it was just like I was in a blur. It

540
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 1>was like my wedding day, but I was better. I

541
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 1>do you remember you're experiencing this movie.

542
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we so imax. Like you said, you had

543
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.359
<v Speaker 2>to wait in line. So the midnight show is usually

544
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>a huge crowd. So we got there at eight o'clock

545
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 2>and waited four hours and then went in. And I think,

546
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.599
<v Speaker 2>when we get to the part, I'll talk about it,

547
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 2>but like, again, we had a great crowd for this movie,

548
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>like people were ready for this and they were excited

549
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 2>for this. But the same thing with me. When I

550
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.599
<v Speaker 2>left the theater, I was like, and again, we'll get

551
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 2>to a part of the movie where I felt this way.

552
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.359
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know what to think of

553
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>this because it was totally it's not even so much

554
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I could have met expectations or like it blew them

555
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.039
<v Speaker 2>out of the water. It was just like I didn't

556
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.319
<v Speaker 2>expect this, and this what I got was so goddamn good.

557
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>I almost think like I was just like, you just

558
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 2>know it's corny as it sounds like you like I

559
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 2>just saw a classic. It just happened in front of

560
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 2>my face. But I mean, I didn't think about that

561
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>until I end up seeing this thing like five times

562
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 2>in theaters because I was just like, is this real?

563
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to describe it. I was like,

564
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.559
<v Speaker 2>is this really happening? Like it was just like you

565
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>had to keep going. And that's obviously a lame way

566
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 2>to put it, but like I saw it with so

567
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>many different friends and being like and like you said,

568
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.599
<v Speaker 2>your girlfriend wanted to see it. Another interesting thing to

569
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:21.519
<v Speaker 2>talk about with this movie is how many people who

570
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 2>do not like this stuff saw and like this movie.

571
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>That's a huge aspect of this And I think, yeah, no,

572
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:30.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, like that was just what it was. It

573
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>was just such a event.

574
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.599
<v Speaker 1>This is the most successful marketing campaign ever and Heath

575
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Ledger died as a part of that. So it's kind

576
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 1>of not fair, but yeah, and it was. And like

577
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Black Panther, Black Panther got nominated for Best Picture only

578
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>because people were furious that the Oscars didn't nominate The

579
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Dark Knight for Best Picture. They like changed the guidelines

580
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 1>of the Oscars because Dark and it was a nominated

581
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>for Best Picture and people were so mad.

582
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>It's actually a better flex in a weird way. We

583
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>talked about this with the Oscar spot that you did

584
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.599
<v Speaker 2>not get young the awards, but you had such an

585
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>effect that they had to change the rules because they

586
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.599
<v Speaker 2>realized how out of touch they were. That's fucking huge. Yeah,

587
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 2>obviously he won himself, but sadly that's a whole Oscar

588
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 2>horseshit thing. In terms of that I shouldn't say. We'll

589
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 2>describe when we probably talk about it later.

590
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>But do you think that he would have won if

591
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>he was alive?

592
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing. I think it would have gone like

593
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>everything else in this movie. It would have gone unrecognized

594
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and it would have been like, how the fuck did

595
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>he not win? How the fuck did he got anca moment?

596
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the best performances you've ever seen, Like,

597
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>how the fuck did he not win? And I think again, Yeah.

598
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I kind of loved the year where not being I

599
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>love Chadwick Boseman, I have nothing against him, but I

600
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>loved the year where Chadwick Boseman died and they were

601
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 1>everyone was so positive he was gonna win the Oscar

602
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 1>because he was dead and like, I think his family

603
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:05.759
<v Speaker 1>was there and people were so excited that he was

604
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>finally gonna win, and then he lost. Yeah, when they

605
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 1>read it, I was like, good, I'm glad, Like the

606
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 1>oscars are not fixed, they're a real thing.

607
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 2>And also the thing with that too is that like

608
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 2>they put him in i think in Best Actor where

609
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>his character was a supporting role, and I was like,

610
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that would have secured the win more. But also like again,

611
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 2>sometimes not winning is better, right, I mean, unfortunately that

612
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>real situation is awful, but like similar here, Like I

613
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>just think because that it's such a conundrum whatever you

614
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:44.559
<v Speaker 2>want to call that thing, the Academy, they did it,

615
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I think because obviously he was nominated before. He was

616
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.079
<v Speaker 2>in a tough year that year because phili Seymour Hoffman

617
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>won for Capoti, so like there was no chance of

618
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>getting around that, and his performance even after broke Back

619
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>came out, was like so revered as like wow, he

620
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.319
<v Speaker 2>did this so well. And I think something to think

621
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 2>about too is that Nolan and interview has always said

622
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.880
<v Speaker 2>like his performance or his choices as an actor is

623
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 2>what got him the role, and he was because he's

624
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.400
<v Speaker 2>like I think he's a fearless person. Because as we

625
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.680
<v Speaker 2>talked about with broke Back, so many other bigger actors

626
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>turned that down and it would have been an amazing

627
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<v Speaker 2>part for them too, but turned it down because of

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<v Speaker 2>what his content was probably but and how they think

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<v Speaker 2>people would view that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, Philip sumer Hoffen

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<v Speaker 1>is a god and he's probably a better actor than

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<v Speaker 1>he's Ledger. Even though we're like splitting hairs here. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're talking about you know, Mickey Mannel and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe DiMaggio. But Capoti is that's such a dumb role

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<v Speaker 1>to win the Oscar because it's just like he's doing

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<v Speaker 1>a biopic, he's doing a voice.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the perfect role to win an Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, like everybody knows who it is. But

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, Ennis is a much harder role to

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<v Speaker 1>pull off in a much more impress of performance than Caponti.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I know this is insane, but I think of

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<v Speaker 2>like the happen stance of the world. So that's in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight. The next year, Christoph Waltz wins

644
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<v Speaker 2>for Inglorious Bastard's Bastards for being another charismatic, incredibly watchable

645
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<v Speaker 2>steal the show of villain in a movie. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>just think the relay is right there. I'm not saying

647
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<v Speaker 2>taking anything away. I know he's listening. Sorry, Christoph, I

648
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<v Speaker 2>don't mean to be that insulting that way, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think truly it lays the groundwork for a lot of

650
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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think seeing tarn Killem's portrayal of Christoph Waltz in

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrity Jeopardy on SNL, I was kind of like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of not knocks him down a couple of

654
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<v Speaker 1>pegs for me.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always like that, just a weird, funky guy. Yeah.

656
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<v Speaker 2>And also winning twice was interesting too, let's.

657
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<v Speaker 1>Me deliver the line like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Done? Another thing I think is interesting, especially because diretrospect

659
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<v Speaker 2>is this is also May of this year, iron Man

660
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<v Speaker 2>is released, and I talked about it on the last

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<v Speaker 2>episode about how like this is a real kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like shifts passing kind of thing where this is kind

663
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<v Speaker 2>of how super hero movies were done with like X Men,

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<v Speaker 2>spider Man, Batman. You had a director do them, and

665
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<v Speaker 2>then they are kind of more movies and comics, and

666
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<v Speaker 2>then the MCU becomes why don't we do what comics do?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think something to think about. I always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like marinated on and I wondered if this was

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<v Speaker 2>a thing drummer when they announced that Robert Downey Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>Was playing Iron Man because he at the time he

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<v Speaker 2>was not the obvious pick and people.

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<v Speaker 1>Will everybody, well not everybody. That seemed to me like,

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00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>if you know Robert Downey Jr. He's an amazing, amazing

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<v Speaker 1>charismatic actor, who's good looking, who had drug problems, so like,

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<v Speaker 1>if he's sober, then that's a perfect choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, it was phenomenal casting. But I remember

677
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<v Speaker 2>the time people being like, not the pick, but good

678
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<v Speaker 2>pick because at the time of superhero movies, again in

679
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<v Speaker 2>this it was younger kids or younger people playing the superheroes.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't really established middle aged men or they became

681
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<v Speaker 2>middle aged men as they filmed them, or new people

682
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<v Speaker 2>like Hugh Jackman was new for X Men something. Yeah,

683
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<v Speaker 2>it was just very it was very new. So he

684
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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, here's this guy who's had a history

685
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<v Speaker 2>that we're all aware of. That kind of helps this movie.

686
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<v Speaker 2>And I think, especially with that movie, is dependent on

687
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<v Speaker 2>his performance being that good, which it is. He's great

688
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<v Speaker 2>in that movie and that movie comes as massive hit.

689
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<v Speaker 2>It is interesting how you feel like that is starting

690
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<v Speaker 2>something new and then like the nol and Batman begins

691
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<v Speaker 2>as kind of like the quote unquote older way of

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, and then you have this come out which

693
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<v Speaker 2>just does something completely different. I think it's such an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting way to think about it retrospectively. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like with X Men and certain superhero movies,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the day, it was like the most valuable

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<v Speaker 1>position in sports as a quarterback on a rookie contract,

699
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<v Speaker 1>because you have the most impactful, best player on the team,

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<v Speaker 1>and if the quarterback is actually really good and you're

701
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<v Speaker 1>paying them nothing because they're on a rookie contract. So

702
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.599
<v Speaker 1>it's like building a basketball team where you know you're

703
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<v Speaker 1>paying Halle Berry. She's a veteran that's coming in and

704
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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be really solid, but she can't carry the

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<v Speaker 1>whole movie. So then you find and you sign an

706
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<v Speaker 1>amazing shooting guard rookie that nobody's ever heard of for nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like that's coming in last minute too. As

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<v Speaker 2>another famous story about casting Gray.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott man, I feel bad for that guy every time

711
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I see him or think of him. Do Gray Scott

712
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and he blamed Tom Cruise like overtly do. Gray Scott

713
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<v Speaker 1>was cast as Wolverine, and the shooting on Mission Impossible

714
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<v Speaker 1>Too went long and Tom tom Cruise said, no, you can't,

715
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<v Speaker 1>you can't go do X men. You have to finish

716
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<v Speaker 1>Mission Impossible too, and do Gray Scott lost out on Wolverine.

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<v Speaker 2>That is rough And also like how like I guess

718
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:14.639
<v Speaker 2>it was very close to filming too. It's like Hugh

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<v Speaker 2>Jackman was so last minute and it's just like, how.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not judging because he's in better shape than me,

721
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but he's not in good shape. And next man one

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<v Speaker 1>like him with no shirt on looks like a really

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<v Speaker 1>in shape dad. That's what he looks like with no

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<v Speaker 1>shirt on in one, and then by the time like

725
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>three rolls around, he looks like a Greek god with

726
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<v Speaker 1>no shirt on. Because that's when all the actors started

727
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<v Speaker 1>doing steroids. No, but it's chicken and broccolian rice, that's

728
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>what they all. That's what fucking what's his name, Chris Hemsworth, chicken,

729
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.159
<v Speaker 1>broccoli rice, he doesn't do he doesn't do TRT or

730
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<v Speaker 1>steroids or any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, damn, But I just thought there was something worth

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<v Speaker 2>talking about because I think about that a lot now,

733
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<v Speaker 2>where like it was two castings where one was met

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<v Speaker 2>on my own accord, like I said earlier, with criticism,

735
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<v Speaker 2>and the other ones like yeah this is great, and

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<v Speaker 2>both have become like defining performances in two different worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, you're You're totally right. I I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to get into the film unless you had more

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<v Speaker 1>build up to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no other build up here, unless we missed

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<v Speaker 2>anything else. I think, Oh, well, actually we I mean, actually,

742
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<v Speaker 2>now we'll get to it. I keep saying that phrase. Jesus,

743
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<v Speaker 2>I gotta stop. But we'll talk about when we get

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<v Speaker 2>to the characters. I think as we go through, we

745
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<v Speaker 2>we'll bring up stuff that like happened wow, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get into the movie itself. The movie begins.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing you hear is my favorite score, my

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<v Speaker 1>personal bias favorite score of all time. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see, Mike? Can you see my shirt?

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<v Speaker 2>I can see the top of it here.

751
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me is that better?

752
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Take it off? Okay?

753
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>No, my mind.

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00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 2>The whole shirt is the Heath Ledger Joker face.

755
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, my entire t shirt is just Heath Ledger Joker's face.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't wear it because it's a little small. It's

757
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<v Speaker 1>not terribly small, but it's a little small for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I wore this on Joe's bachelor party and

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<v Speaker 1>there were two people on Joe's bachelor party that I

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<v Speaker 1>would describe as like meatthead bullies, just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the worst people ever, and one of them, in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>I hated, and he made fun of me for wearing

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00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 1>this shirt. And I was like, first of all, we're adults,

764
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<v Speaker 1>we're not in high school, so like, I don't care

765
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<v Speaker 1>if you make fun of me, but you're really making

766
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<v Speaker 1>fun of someone's shirt, and he was like, he genuinely

767
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.599
<v Speaker 1>asked me. I was like, I just think it's one

768
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<v Speaker 1>of the best movie roles ever and one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite fictional characters ever. And he legitimately like laughed and said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you care about stuff like that? And I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought you are a pathetic loser and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to waste time explaining this to you, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, buddy, you ever heard of not one, but two

775
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<v Speaker 2>disc DVDs? You ever heard of those? You know what

776
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.159
<v Speaker 2>those are, you know what they're in, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>they have inside them.

778
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh do you know that Ryan has a vinyl score

779
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<v Speaker 1>of Lord of the Rings but no record player? Did

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00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 1>you know that? But anyways, Uh, the first moment of

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<v Speaker 1>this movie is my personal biased favorite score of all time,

782
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.920
<v Speaker 1>which is Hans Zimmer's score for The Joker. That's how

783
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 1>the movie begins. It's just this long, drawn out violin sound.

784
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 1>I think I don't even know how to describe it.

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00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Name. On the many interviews Han Zimmer is done about

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00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.639
<v Speaker 2>this movie, he was like, how how do I? How

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<v Speaker 2>do I? He's like, because he has to see the

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<v Speaker 2>movie while they're making it and doing whatever, and he's like,

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00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and he another credit to Heath Ledger. He was like,

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00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 2>when you watch this stuff without music, you were like, Oh,

792
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>this is fucking unbelievable. And he's like, how do I?

793
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>He goes, maybe you shouldn't score this guy? Interesting? Sorry

794
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>about this score too? Is Christopher Nolan said his original

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<v Speaker 2>plan was to not do new music. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>going to use what they did for Batman begins and

797
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 2>just put it in this movie. And he was just

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<v Speaker 2>going to kind of like reorient it and use stuff

799
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<v Speaker 2>they didn't use. But he's like, I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>need a new score. So Hansimers like okay, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it. So then they put it on and

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00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.440
<v Speaker 2>then Christopher Nolan's like, yeah, this doesn't work. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>do it this way. And he's like, it's a whole

804
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>new vibe, it's a whole new visual. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>do a new sound. I think one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>compliments that the Joker theme has ever gotten is Matthew Vaughan,

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<v Speaker 2>who directed kick Ass X Men First Class Starred Us.

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00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 2>He was talking about how he had five different composers

809
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<v Speaker 2>do the music for kick Ass and it was like

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00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>getting the right sound, getting the right people, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to find a theme for the villain and

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00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.960
<v Speaker 2>he was like he said, we're doing it, and he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we need to do this, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>do this, and he was like working with all these

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<v Speaker 2>people trying to figure it out, and he says, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what pisses he says is in this interviews, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know what does piss me off, though, is that

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<v Speaker 2>the Joker theme is one note and it's the most

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<v Speaker 2>famous villain theme of the past like twenty years. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just someone pulling one string for a long period of

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<v Speaker 2>time and he goes and it's huge. It's so successful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're saying, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Will say that The Suicide Squad is a terrible movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the things they did for like a

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<v Speaker 1>joker theme for that movie is a band called Confidential

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<v Speaker 1>MX and sing The singer is Becky Hanson. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>Confidential MX featuring Becky Hanson. They did a cover of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bej's Beg's song I started a joke, so go

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<v Speaker 1>listen to that song Confidential MS featuring Becky Hanson. I

830
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>started a joke which is a Beach's cover and it

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing. It's a sounds nothing like the original song.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, but anyways, also speaking of great trailers, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the trailer of that movie is tremendous with that one

834
00:43:58.039 --> 00:43:58.280
<v Speaker 2>of the.

835
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 1>One of the greatest trailers of all time. That I

836
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.119
<v Speaker 1>used to this, you know, years and years ago, I

837
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>used to argue with Paul about trailers and you because

838
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.519
<v Speaker 1>you'd be like you and Paul be like, oh my god,

839
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.599
<v Speaker 1>dam did you see the trailer for blah blah blah.

840
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 1>I would say trailers are irrelevant Suicide Squad. Trailers are

841
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 1>completely relevant. Suicide Squad because Suicide Squad had an A

842
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 1>plus trailer and was an F minus movie.

843
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Trailers are the I think there's their total own work

844
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>of art, and it is like I actually like I

845
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 2>have a playlist on what YouTube of just like trailers

846
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, man, remember I remember just the feels

847
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 2>this would give you watching this, or like even just

848
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 2>like this is such a good trailer for this movie.

849
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>They really are their own form. It's interesting, totally, totally,

850
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>just sad. But they just ruined too much.

851
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>It now them CU trailers were awful. It would just

852
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 1>be like, here's the Spider Man movie in five minutes.

853
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:51.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what the trailer would.

854
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Be, dude, you know, you know, actually I think the

855
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:58.239
<v Speaker 2>worst ones is Fast and Furious literally F nine the

856
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.880
<v Speaker 2>entire movies and the trailers four and a half minutes.

857
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:02.159
<v Speaker 2>It's the entire movie.

858
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.400
<v Speaker 1>But who cares, Like nobody cares about spoilers.

859
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I care.

860
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>But so the movie starts at the Joker score and also,

861
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>as Ryan mentioned, this was an imax. This opening scene

862
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>one of the great opening scenes of all time. It

863
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>just shows glass shatters out of a window and there

864
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>are five goons in clown masks. Five criminals and clown masks,

865
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and they're like repelling several stories up between buildings. They're

866
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>clearly performing some sort of bank heist. So I'm already

867
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:41.400
<v Speaker 1>starting with Pobody's nerve fit corner. This is the closest

868
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>to perfect as you can get for me this entire movie.

869
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 1>But I really don't like the voice acting for the

870
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.679
<v Speaker 1>clown goons. They don't they don't have they don't have

871
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>actors portraying them, like because everybody's wearing a mask, so

872
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.119
<v Speaker 1>they just dub the voices over the physical people. And

873
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>it's just two video game me like in the in

874
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the Back in the Batman Arkham Asylum universe video games,

875
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 1>which are incredible. They're just always like chatter in the

876
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.639
<v Speaker 1>background where goons are talking to each other, and the

877
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 1>voice acting is like over the top cartoonish, and they

878
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>just sound like goons in a video game, And I

879
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>just thought, I just want there to be a little

880
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>more nuanced here. So I don't like the voice acting.

881
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>But people, he thinks that you can sit back and

882
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 2>still take a slice. I know why they call it

883
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the Joker.

884
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly that's exactly right. Ryan.

885
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Also, these masks are amazing I'm always curious. I'm sure

886
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 2>you've seen the meme that came out of the footage

887
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 2>from the nineteen sixty six Batman show of the Joker

888
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 2>wearing this same clown mask that the Joker wears here,

889
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 2>have you seen that?

890
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>That's wonder hell.

891
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.559
<v Speaker 2>That's real. That's that's from the first episode of the

892
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Batman TV show apparently, And I'm like, always so curious

893
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 2>how intentional that was. It had to be based on

894
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:00.079
<v Speaker 2>the design, but yeah.

895
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Here's it. And Batman begins too with the piano. Yeah yeah,

896
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.000
<v Speaker 1>but uh yeah, So there's five goons and they said

897
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 1>five guys, five shares, and then that somebody chimes in,

898
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 1>you mean six shares because of the Joker and exactly

899
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Speaker 1>what Ryan said. He thinks he can sit out and

900
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 1>to still take a slice and know why they call

901
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.480
<v Speaker 1>him the Joker. And one of the goons says, I

902
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>heard he wears makeup to scare people. If you really like,

903
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>listen to this movie and watch it again. It's a

904
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 1>great moment. So when a bank has robbed, you press

905
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the emergency button and the cops come. Like if you're

906
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 1>a teller, you press the button under the counter. The

907
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 1>cops come. So one of the clown goons is intercepting

908
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 1>the call to stop it, and he goes, that's weird.

909
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 1>They didn't call the cops. They didn't call Nuebune one.

910
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>It went to a private number. And that's the first

911
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:53.079
<v Speaker 1>indication that this is not a normal bank. Yeah, so

912
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 1>he and then he so that guy who says, oh,

913
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>that's funny, didn't go to nine one one, All right,

914
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm all at here. What happens When he says I'm

915
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>all set, basically, I've completed my job. What happens?

916
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 2>He is shot?

917
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 1>He is shot and killed by another goon. So now

918
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:14.280
<v Speaker 1>there's only four clowns left, less shares, and thank god

919
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 1>we are now shown the Wait he was the Shredder?

920
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Was he the Shredder in two? No? He wasn't the

921
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Shredder into Out of the Shadows but William William Fickner, Yes,

922
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 1>who did he play in Out of the Shadows?

923
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>He is? I think he was going to be Shredder

924
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and ended up not being. But he was some like

925
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 2>business guy. But I thought he's in the first one.

926
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he's in the first one too. Who gives

927
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 1>a fuck about those movies? But William Fickner is a

928
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>character actor. You would recognize him one hundred percent if

929
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 1>you've googled him. He's been in a billion things. He's

930
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the bank manager.

931
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Eric Sachs, CEO of Sacks Industry with dark ties to

932
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:55.639
<v Speaker 2>the foot clan.

933
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm just legitimately gonna edit that out because no one cares.

934
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>And the one of the goons hold hands of bank

935
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.280
<v Speaker 1>hostage a grenade and pulls the pin, meaning like if

936
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.079
<v Speaker 1>you move, if you try to run away, if you

937
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>drop this for everybody does. The bank manager, William Fickner

938
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>pulls out a shotgun shoots one of the clown goons

939
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>in the back. So now there's only three guys left,

940
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.079
<v Speaker 1>and he says, do you have any idea who you're

941
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 1>stealing from? You and your friends are dead. It's a

942
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.960
<v Speaker 1>great line. I love the way he delivers that line.

943
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Speaker 1>And then there's a guy who's trying to get into

944
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the vault itself and he gets electrocuted, and he says,

945
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 1>what kind of bank wires the vault to electrocute you?

946
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.079
<v Speaker 1>And one of the clown goons says a mob bank,

947
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 1>yep so, and then when he opens the vault, he says,

948
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>where's the alarm guy. Oh, I took him out with

949
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the boss set it'd be one last year. And then

950
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:55.360
<v Speaker 1>one of them says, funny, he told me the same

951
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 1>thing about you kills him. Now there's only two clowns left,

952
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:09.760
<v Speaker 1>so basically, so basically they they how do they subdue

953
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 1>William Fickner. I'm trying to remember.

954
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:16.760
<v Speaker 2>So when he he shoots the gun, he stops shooting.

955
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Joker clown runs up to like the second or third

956
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:26.719
<v Speaker 2>table in the middle of the room. He he's with

957
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:28.719
<v Speaker 2>the main clown who we've been following the whole time,

958
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 2>and he's like he's out right because they think he

959
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:33.119
<v Speaker 2>shot all the good bullets out of the gun, and

960
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 2>he like, I love this delay. I think it's so

961
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 2>funny where he just like looks and freezes and just

962
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 2>goes yeah, like nods his head like yeah, he's out.

963
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 2>So that guy stands up, Thickner shoots him in the arm.

964
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Then he's actually out of bullets. So then the Joker

965
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:49.239
<v Speaker 2>stands up and shoots him and takes him down.

966
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you mean the clown goons because the Jokers.

967
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Spoiler alert everybody for the two thousand and eight movie

968
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.280
<v Speaker 2>that everyone in America saw yeah, and.

969
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Also just like out of the rafters, your impressions, your

970
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 1>random mass impressions that are so good. It's like when

971
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>John Hamm hosted SNL and he said, they were like,

972
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>what impression can you do that's really good? And he said, oh,

973
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 1>I can do and then he named like some nineteen

974
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 1>thirties actor. Do you remember what I'm talking about?

975
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I do. I figure what the persson was though.

976
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Yet who what his name was? And then they were

977
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>like okay, done, and Bill Hayter said it was like

978
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 1>one of his favorite things that John Hamm has ever done.

979
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:33.360
<v Speaker 1>But your impression of the clown goon that I think

980
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 1>is a bad voice actor is literally like perfect. Sounds

981
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 1>exactly like that.

982
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.920
<v Speaker 2>This is. I know, I'm very bad with memory on

983
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 2>this podcast with like remembering things. I have watched this

984
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:50.679
<v Speaker 2>scene so many times on YouTube on video. I think

985
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 2>this is like the best opening to a movie ever made.

986
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I've watched it a thousand times. I love that. I

987
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>love this movie. And it's always the stupid lines that

988
00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I stuck in my head. It's never the good ones,

989
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.159
<v Speaker 2>like I said, with like Gordon and stuff like that.

990
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:02.159
<v Speaker 2>It's always the dumb shit.

991
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So there's there's two clown goons left, and one

992
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>clown goon points a gun at the other and says,

993
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 1>I bet the Joker told you to kill me when

994
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I loaded the cash, and the other clown goon who

995
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.960
<v Speaker 1>has the gunpoint on Adam, says, no, no, I kill

996
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>the bus driver. And then the guy's like, wait what

997
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:28.280
<v Speaker 1>bus driver? And uh a school bus reverses into the

998
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 1>bank and kills the remaining goon. So now there's one

999
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>goon left. But a new goon comes out of the

1000
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>bus and it's like, all right, let's load, let's load

1001
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>the cash.

1002
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>So explain this his line, he's not getting up. Unreal, unreal.

1003
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.400
<v Speaker 2>So he comes out and they're throwing the bags on

1004
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the bus and he's like, he says, what does he say?

1005
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 2>What happened to the whatever guy? Right? What happened?

1006
00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>What happened to the other guys?

1007
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:04.239
<v Speaker 2>The other guys? And then other clown goon coldly just

1008
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>like slightly looks back and just shoots him and kills him.

1009
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love that moment I wrote down. He he

1010
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.559
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even look at him. He has no value in

1011
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 1>human life. The Joker, because spoiler Ryan ruined it for everyone.

1012
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 1>It is the Joker, and he even his own and

1013
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 1>this movie he has no regard for any human life,

1014
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 1>including his own, which is the polar opposite of Batman.

1015
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>The Joker is the Batman is about order. The Joker

1016
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 1>is about chaos. Batman is muscular, the Joker is not.

1017
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Batman is about hand in hand combat. The Joker is

1018
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.480
<v Speaker 1>about guns and knives, you know. Batman is about protecting

1019
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.039
<v Speaker 1>human life. The Joker sees no value in human life.

1020
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:45.599
<v Speaker 1>It's it's just it's it's wonderful. So the bank manager,

1021
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>William Fickner said, criminals in this town used to believe

1022
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>in something, honor, respect, What do you believe in? And

1023
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:54.760
<v Speaker 1>then Ryan, do you want to say it or do

1024
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 1>you want me to say it?

1025
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 2>You could say, go for it.

1026
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 1>I believe, And he's still wearing a mask. I believe

1027
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever doesn't kill you. And he takes off his mask

1028
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.639
<v Speaker 1>and you can see it's the Joker, and he looks horrifying,

1029
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 1>simply makes you stranger. And it's it's so different than

1030
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the comics because I love like this version of the Joker.

1031
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.280
<v Speaker 1>He because he would now have no regard for his

1032
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 1>appearance or his hygiene. He looks dirty, his teeth are gross.

1033
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.280
<v Speaker 1>His hair is greasy, the makeup's not even put on well,

1034
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 1>it's all like smeared and smudge. He looks fucking terrifying.

1035
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.880
<v Speaker 2>And from my understanding, has massively influenced the design of

1036
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the character and the comics from that point forward.

1037
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, And the the Joker puts a grenade in

1038
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>William Fickner's mouth and the grenade is tied to his belt,

1039
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 1>his own, So not only is that great, So he

1040
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<v Speaker 1>gets on the bus and drives away, which pulls the

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<v Speaker 1>pin on the grenade. That's hilarious. But then also it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so amazing that they just nailed this character like

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<v Speaker 1>they did. I don't think they completely nailed Batman in

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<v Speaker 1>this franchise, but they completely nailed the Joker. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>gag grenade. It's not even a real grenade.

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<v Speaker 2>That hit when he exhales William Fickner when he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>my head was about to blow up, and it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just like it's perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Joker, the Joker is now on the school bus.

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<v Speaker 1>The school bus is exiting the bank at the exact

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<v Speaker 1>moment of school drop off in Gotham City, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>a line of like one hundred school buses and the

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<v Speaker 1>bank school bus just gets in the line and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just able to inconspicuously just disappear.

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<v Speaker 2>Which yall bus was it? It's the one with all

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<v Speaker 2>the debris on it. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, not again, Pobody's nervefect. I don't want to nitpick

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. Reversing through the front doors of a bank

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do damage to the back of the school bus

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<v Speaker 1>in any way. There's not a scratch on the school bus.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it. I also it's so funny now to see it,

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<v Speaker 2>because like I always forget about the school buses lined

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<v Speaker 2>up at the end of it, so I always I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. Hello, this whole thing is about timing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that my friends, I think, honestly, we should

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<v Speaker 1>go to a part two. Sure, just what a fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>opening episode, just the build up, this opening scene, which

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<v Speaker 1>is incredible, and now we're going to a part two

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<v Speaker 1>where we're really going to start the movie and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see how many So we have I have thirteen pages

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<v Speaker 1>of notes, but the notes are only on the movie itself.

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<v Speaker 1>We are on page basically. We just finished page one

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<v Speaker 1>and this movie. It took me four hours to watch

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. The movie's like two and a half hours

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<v Speaker 1>took me forward to watch it. I did it over

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<v Speaker 1>four days. I did an hour a day because I

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<v Speaker 1>kept having a deposit and rewind and I wrote down

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<v Speaker 1>dialogue and I took poke, copious notes. So this is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the I don't get paid to do this, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't really give it my whole ass. When

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<v Speaker 1>I like watch a movie and take notes, and this

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<v Speaker 1>this movie more than any movie. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to give this my whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Ass, but it's yeah, you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So all right, well we will see you next time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to. I think four parts is good,

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<v Speaker 1>so this can be as long as the hook pod.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see, we'll see. That's why we started early. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you