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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves.

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Speaker 2: Well, here we go off the Thanksgiving holiday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, did everybody get enough to eat? Welcome in.

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Speaker 2: It is the Big Fight Weekend preview. I am the

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somewhat competent host TJ.

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Speaker 1: Reeves. He is our insider.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Dan Rayfield from Fight Preach Unite his substack and

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his email newsletter. You've been a busy dude this week

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in and around the Thanksgiving holiday, including this upcoming February

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read season card that is quickly filled out very interestingly.

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We're gonna get into that a little bit. We've got

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a flyweight main event battle in England to preview. We've

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got e Manuel Navaratee on the pod. You interviewed him. Hello,

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Hello there, my friend, it's good to be back with you.

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Speaker 3: You here.

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Speaker 1: No shortage of stuff going on right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh say that's a pretty that's a lot of stuff, yeah,

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the holiday weekend. And by the way, that doesn't include

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some of the other news items that are nostalgia and

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Speaker 1: So this, I know, I must.

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Speaker 3: Say so myself. This is a pretty loaded show. I'm

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not sure it says, load as as that February twenty

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second Rice he'son card they're working on. But it's a

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Speaker 2: Good tease on that. This is just like Thanksgiving. We're

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going back for seconds for third. Just loosen the belt.

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Elastic elastic waistbands are also of good use right about now.

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Excellent job by the way with Eric Gomez of Golden

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that you folks want to go back and hear that

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with his thoughts not only on the Latino Night card,

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but some of the future fights that.

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Speaker 1: Are going to be coming up. Excellent work on that.

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Speaker 2: So we typically preview going into the weekend, recap coming

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off the weekend. It may vary because of the holidays,

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Somebody sent me a message that's in the UK. That's

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it is they have lunch with Rayfield on a regular basis,

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not omitially not well right, but mainly you, not literally

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take the pod to lunch frequently and listen over in

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the UK for all the latest on the fights.

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Speaker 3: So we like that having little fish and chips, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Little fish and chips, little bangers and mash whatever they

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Speaker 1: That's what this person did.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's a new segment on the show, so do that.

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Speaker 2: It does help us out as we get ready to

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close out the year and we've had we've had a ton,

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Speaker 1: We love it all right.

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Speaker 2: So before we get to the news, as you were

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saying that riodd season February card, before we get to

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Manuel navaraatee, what we the business of what we do

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on the preview preview? We have one prominent, big time

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worldwide fight card that's in Birmingham, England. Compelling contender matchup.

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How do you like that for a phraseology. Let's go

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have Sonny Edwards Gala Phi with some amateur background, little

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drama maybe into this in the professional ranks. Edwards a

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former world champion as well. All Right, your thoughts on

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this for the main events Saturday afternoon US time, that

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is on Dezone from England Saturday night primetime their time.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: I guess as flyweight fights go, this is a good matchup.

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This is interesting to me, This is meaningful. The winner

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weight class, and there's history between them in terms of

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the British boxing scene. It's notable because of their background

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that you alluded to. Galalia Phi is an Olympic gold

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medalist from the twenty twenty Olympics, and it's kind of interesting. Okay,

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So galalia Phi close to the fighting family and his

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brothers Khalib gallaia Phi and his other brother they've all boxed. Also,

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he's thirty one years old though as a flyweight, so

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and he's only got he's eight to eight and oh

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right now. He stayed amateur for a while and it

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paid off because he did win the gold medal. Every

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amateur fighters dream. But when you enter the professional ranks thing,

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you're already like what twenty nine to thirty when he

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to get the gear going. You can't really, you know,

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sit around and take in four rounders and six runners.

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work immediately. So when he came into the professional ranks,

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fights and fighting like legitimate guys. Now, Sonny Edwards is

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a much more experienced pro, I said galass eight, and oh,

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flyweight world champion. He's fought a lot of good opponents

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through the years. But he's also younger, even though he's

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a lot more experience. But the interesting thing to me

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is while it was Galalia five that won the gold

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medal in the twenty twenty Olympics, it was Sonny Edwards

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who beat him when they fought one time as amateurs.

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each other a million rounds. They know each other well

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and the one time they did get a real fight

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going in the amateur ranks, it with Sonny that prevailed.

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gold medal and the undefeated record as a professional. Uh

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and being a little bit older against the younger man,

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but who certainly got more aware in terms of the

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pros because we've seen Sony get banged around in that loss,

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and he took a couple of fights agohere he just

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got destroyed by Bam Rodriguez and their flyweight unification. That

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was in December of last year. So a lot on

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the line. The guy that comes out of his fight

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is gonna be right there. Obviously, the winner is gonna

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have the interim WBC VACAN what is the vacant interim

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WBC flyweight belt, put them in position to either be

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elevated or get uh, you know, a title shot. But

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the point is solid fight. If you're a flyweight fan,

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I like the matchup and it's uh, I don't know

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who to pick it when it comes to that, I

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our bet us show. But so here's the other thing

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Edwards fought Vam Rodriguez, Like I said, that was December

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last ye, he got dominated. He got pummeled, he got

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knocked out in the ninth round, and he got beat up,

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he got busted up. It was a very rough, harsh,

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more than your average boxing loss. It was a I

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feel like maybe a very debilitating kind of loss. He

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did come back in June and he defeated Adrian Kurriel,

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who was the former titlelder in the one o eight

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weight weight division. He went up to one twelve and

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fought Sonny. Sonny dominated one every round basically or close

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to it. Ended up winning by a technical decision because

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of you know, I guess there was if I remember,

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probably a headbut or something like that. He looked okay,

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but carry all was in my opinion, even though he

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as obviously Bam Rodriguez and even some of the other

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guys that that Sonny Edwards has faced in his previous fights.

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a tremendous victory for him back you know, a couple

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of years ago. The fight does not have any names

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like Sonny Edwards on his record, I mean not even close.

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of the guys he beat in the Olympics to get there,

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because they haven't really done necessarily a lot in the

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pro so far. But the guys he has been fighting mostly,

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not all of them, but mostly I've been guys with

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fifteen and three whatever. Like for a guy it's only

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got eight fights, It's it's like he's fighting real guys.

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made boring fights, but he obviously made a really good

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fight with Bam because Bam was chasing them and catching

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up to him. Is who's gonna be who's gonna who's

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gonna make this fight? Is there gonna be who's gonna

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advance forward? Who's gonna make the other guy, you know,

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try to counter him. I kind of get the feeling

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that if it's gonna be a good fight, glawiaf is

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gonna have to take the lead and make Sonny fight him.

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move and not maybe make it. I'm not saying it's

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gonna be like a terrible, boring fight, but maybe not

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Speaker 2: Edwards is not a big puncher, and the problem that

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big It was a big problem. Can and I don't

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same way Can Edwards move more and make it interesting.

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Speaker 1: So we got a compelling main event.

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Speaker 2: Here and again we'll we'll handicap it more on the

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Speaker 3: One thing also, just real quick about it is we've

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had this conversation and other fights in the past where

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there's an amateur familiarity between the guns and sometimes you're likeeah,

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it doesn't really mean maybe they felt once years and

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years ago whatever. Now these guys did fight, and I'm

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not saying that that means anything. But what may mean

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something is the fact they've done countless rounds as members

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of the Great Britain Amateur Squad. And it's not so

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much that they had one fight against each other. They've

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been in the ring with each other time and time again.

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but the styles that they fight in have not really

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changed a lot in my opinion, from those early days

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to what they are now. That's what got them here.

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and now became a boxer or vice versa. So they're definitely,

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even if it's not exactly the same. When the bell

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hits and they look at each other across the ring,

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they're going to recognize things about the other guy. So

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I find that to be interesting to see who's gonna

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have maybe the better muscile memory, if you will, from

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those sessions. And I'll just give gal Aya Fi a

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credit for this. I was seeing some of the comments

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that he made at the news conference when they went

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out to start to promote the fight. And you know,

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when guys start together, you always hear two sides of

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the story. One guy says, I kicked his rear end

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it was no contest. I beat him up. The other

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guy says, I always talking about I dominated, and blah

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blah blah. Everybody tries to make a big thing about it. Yeah,

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Fiday got up and I'm not gonna sit there and

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tell you, I'm not gonna bullshit you. I'm not going

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to tell you, you know I beat him up or

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this or that he said it was fifty to fifty.

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We both had our moments, we both did well well enough,

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so I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if they do fifty to fifty in the

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real five on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: There's the biggest prominent main event that we have. So

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we've done the preview portion of the obligation here and

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again we'll talk more on the bet US show coming

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Friday at one Eastern time on their platforms about that one,

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and makes some handicapping predictions on that. Let's get to

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what we have next, which is your recent conversation with

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Emanuel Navarat who gets ready to defend his WBO Junior

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lightweight title a rematch with the interim titleist, Oscar Valdez.

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It's the top rank ESPN main event coming December seventh,

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not this weekend, next weekend, And here is Big Dan's conversation.

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Now through the translator, through the magic of the editing,

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you'll hear the answers and the whole bit with the

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vod cattle, Emanuel navorate here on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome to the podcast today.

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It is none other than the WBO Junior Lightweight World

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Champion Emmanuel Naverrette. Emmanuel, You're going to defend your title

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against the interim title holder Oscar Valdez in a rematch

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of what was a terrific fight the first time around.

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You guys will square off on December seventh and Phoenix, Arizona.

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It is the main event of the Top Rank on

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ESPN card. I'm going to tell the folks here also

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we have the outstanding Top Rank publicist Gabe Reeves will

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do the translation. Emmanuel, thank you very much for joining

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me today.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: So i'd like to start off Emmanuel, you defended the

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title against Oscar back in August twenty twenty three. It

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was a terrific fight. As I mentioned, you won a

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clear decision in the fight, and I wonder when you

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think about the rematch, how do you see it being

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any different than the first one, if at all, as.

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Speaker 4: Something will change, especially because of the fact that we

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both crossed paths or fist before in this first fight,

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and because of the experience of that first fight it

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will change. We both know each other more. But I

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think that's going to help us in the strategy in

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our fight and hopefully things go in the best way possibly.

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Speaker 3: Now Manuel, when you faced him the first time, a

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lot of the fans, the media, even top rank they

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were comparing it to what people were thinking about before

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the fights between Eric Morales and Marco Antonio brand You know,

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your your great countryman. Hall of Fame fighters even brought

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those guys in to help promote the fight. They were ringside,

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And I wonder for you, as the fighter, what was

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it like for you to have, you know, your biggest

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fight at that point, uh being discussed in the in

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the in the in the same sort of conversation as

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these great fights between Hall of famers like Morales Sombrera.

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How to feel good? Okay some.

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Speaker 4: Completely Yes, as a fighter, you don't really even dream

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if something like that happened. And to be able to

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have done that in my career is something that has

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satisfied me. Is it achievement that has satisfied me so much?

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And if it hadn't been for that, then at this

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moment it would still be a kind of goal.

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Speaker 3: That I would want to complete when you had h well.

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After that, you had the terrific fight with Robson Consas.

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Now you defended the title. You score two knockdowns in

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the fight. They called it a majority draw. I wonder

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how did you feel about your performance in that and

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were you okay with the draw.

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Speaker 4: It was a close fight, you know, and by by

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a little I think it could have been in my

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favor the decision, but it was a draw, and he's

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a good fighter, and I'm not going to complain about

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the decision. I think it could have been a better

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fight because there were some issues in preparation, things that

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complicated my performance. But I think that he could have

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gone in my favor.

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Speaker 3: So you had to you retain the title even though

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it was a draw, and then you went up in

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May to challenge the undefeated Denny's Brentchik for the vacant

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w BO lightweight title. He ended up winning the split decision. Emmanuel,

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And I wonder do you feel like something went wrong

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for you in that fight? Was that he was too big?

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H he seemed at be a little more technical maybe

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in the way he boxed. Thing you did. Uh When

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you look back at that fight, what was your sort

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of takeaway from it, well.

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Speaker 4: The style. His style was ended complicating, ended up complicating

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the fight for me. It was a difficult fight against

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Baron Shack. You know, he really didn't come to fight.

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He came more to score points. So until in that respect,

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it wasn't a fight.

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Speaker 3: But this is boxing.

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Speaker 4: It's no problem, and I'm okay with it, and I

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just keep learning and getting better.

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Speaker 3: Now, a lot of people thought, Emmanuel, that win or lose,

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that you were going to stay a lightweight. Maybe it

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was too hard to keep making one hundred and thirty pounds,

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so obviously you still had the title at one hundred

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and thirty. So I wonder what was the reason you

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decided to return to the one thirty division, where Valdez

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had ended up winning the interim title. Was that you

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felt more comfortable in that division, you wanted the rematch

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with Oscar who was obviously going to be your mandatory,

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or did you just feel like, I'm still champed, so

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I might as well defend my title, you know it.

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Speaker 4: It's easy to go from one thirty five and then

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go back to one thirty and to fight against Valdez,

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who earned his opportunity for the world title by becoming

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a mandatory challenger of the title of which I'm still

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a champion. And so I also think people see an

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attractive fight because I call him because it's for a rematch.

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It's a rematch for this fight, and I think that

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would have been a more attractive fight than, for example,

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stay at one five finding against someone who's ranked at

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number five or ten or eight. I think because of

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that initial fight about Dez and the attraction has it

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makes the more feasible. So it helped make that decision

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for me. And I think, you know, I think it's

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going to be a good fight. I think we figured

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out a little bit a lot in the first fight,

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and there's going to be a new strategy in the

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second fight.

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Speaker 3: When you did fight against Brentschick, you are attempting to

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win a world title in the fourth way class. I wonder,

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is that still a goal of yours to eventually go

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back to lightweight and try to win yet another world championship.

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course that is still a goal for a

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firm goal for me given what happened, and sure, you know,

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when we go back we can do something at one

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hundred and thirty five in the future. But I have

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to take my time. I had to do things calmly

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and work better, and when that opportunity comes, we're going

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to come with everything for that title in the fourth

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weight class.

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Speaker 3: So in the co feature, when you and Oscar have

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the rematch, Top rank has an excellent undercard fight the

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co feature, it's Rafael's Banosa. He's defending the WBO featherweight

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title against the former title er Robesi Ramirez. It's a

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rematch between those two guys also, and I've heard some

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conversations that maybe the winners of the two fights could

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fight each other, especially if it was Espinoza, who would

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maybe look to move up to challenge the winner of

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the fight between yourself and Oscar. I wonder is that

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a fight that you would like to have against another

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great Mexican warrior.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it would be interesting. I think the most important

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factor in that fight would be his height, mil Divino,

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because he's very tall as a difficult he's also a

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difficult boxer, and so it would be an important challenge

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that I would love to see it and I would

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see it that way as an obstacle to overcome, and

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so I think the people would like that as well,

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because if you know as a warrior, so it would

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be an entertaining and an excellent fight.

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Speaker 3: Rule. I agree with that for sure, Oscar Valdez. He

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just has two losses. One was a decision in your

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fight the first time around. The other was against chra

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Course Stevenson, who was an outstanding boxer. He's always had

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a great I wonder do you think that in the

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rematch that you have a real chance to become the

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first ever man to knock him out? And are you

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expecting another great all out battle like you guys had

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the first time.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm working really hard to go after him and

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look for that knockout. And this is a good fighter

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and he has a good chin. He can take a

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lot of punishment, like everyone knows, and so it be difficult.

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It would be taking on an important challenge, but we're

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working hard for that. But also we're working so that

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hopefully and principally it's a good fight. Now we can

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also delivery great show off for the public and they

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would all walk away from this fight.

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Speaker 3: Will well, Emmanuel and Gabe. I have no doubt that

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it's going to be another terrific fight. Thank you guys

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very much for your time. Gabe, thank you for your

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assistance and translating Emmanuel. Best of luck to you in

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the fight. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Have a good day, you bet guys.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Interesting obviously he fought and beat Valdez and now is

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moving back down and wait, I remember saying this to you.

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He looked very sloppy, almost slower at lightweight. Maybe he's

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going to be better for that reason. And I thought

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it was interesting because we are going to talk Barrera

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and Morales nostalgia another teams in a little bit that

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you brought that up with him as well, that they

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were around Valdez and Navarat for the first fight. So

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there's a little nostalgic angle here too, because it's the

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second fight for these guys, Navarat Valdez, right, final final

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thought there on your conversation, he was.

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Speaker 3: Very relaxed when I talked to me. I think he was.

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I mean I was watching him on a zoom and

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I think he was laying in a bit, to be

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honest with you, were a couch and we're on a

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three way.

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Speaker 2: There's a reply, there's relax and then there's reclining in

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the prone position.

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Speaker 1: Talking to I like that.

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Speaker 3: We're on like a three way zoom. So it was

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me and and h Naverette having the conversation. But Gabe Rivas,

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who does a great job from top rank translating for

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the Spanish speaking fighters, does a tremendous job with it.

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You know, he was the one that was being our

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traffic cop, translating what I had to say and back

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from what Viccaro had to say. But he was like

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just he was just like, I don't know, He's just

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like he looked like he just got a massager. He

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woke up from it. Now he was engaging. People heard it,

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but it was just funny to watch him do that.

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But anyway, I thought it was really cool the homage,

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if you will, that he paid. I want to ask

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him about having the great Mexican warriors Morales and Marrera

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part of the promotion for the first fight, and what

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it meant to him to be positioned or mentioned in

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the same kind of category as those two all time

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greats who had legendary fights, because so many people thought

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that the first fight between him and oscar was going

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to be that level of fight. I may not lived

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up to the ultimate Barrea Morales, but if you go

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back and watch it, even though he won, you know,

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pretty clear decision. That was a tremendous battle, and I

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think he and everybody else expects this rematch to be

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another superb fight.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to that that's coming now the seventh next

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weekend on that top ranked card. Pretty good card on

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that too. We'll preview that more next week. All right,

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We got lots of news and then we've got some

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nostalgia as well. Okay, so February twenty second, that's a

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ways away from where we are right now. Very interesting

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card is shaped up, and you were at the forefront

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in breaking the story about the main event, about really

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the two prominent comb and all the fights you broke.

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But I mean these are we didn't know about these

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fights for February twenty seconds. So until you started revealing

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Daniel Dubois in a title defense better bbvol rematch, you

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had Eric Gomez alluding to Virgil Ortiz and Boots in

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Us maybe being a possibility. All right, So tell me

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more on what you found out earlier in the week. No,

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no Thanksgiving week off on the reporting from Big Dan.

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Speaker 3: All right, so let do you want to go down

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fight by fight because I'll just preface this and you you,

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I think you know me well enough at this point

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that I do not engage in a tremendous amount of

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hype when it comes to like, oh, it's the best this,

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or it's the greatest that, or it's a stacked card. Back.

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I've made mockery of some of the pr folks and

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some of the promoters when they tell me it's a

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stacked card, and it like it's bullshit, you know what

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I mean? I can truthfully say this is if it Again,

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let's preface this by saying, these fights are all in

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varying stages of being put together. They're not all done.

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Is it possible that maybe one of them doesn't happen? Uh?

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You know, of course that's boxing. But if it actually

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goes down the way that the plans are of what

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they're working to do, it is I don't know, if

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I'm being exaggerat hed, it might be the deepest, best

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card so far of the century. I don't know, is

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that maybe? Well?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we had we had some cards with the

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read season, the Knockout Chaos, and I'm trying to remember.

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Speaker 1: What was the other one? Uh not Ring of Fire,

477
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but what was the other one.

478
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 3: They had. The theory was sick one right had they

479
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,000
card in California in August with Terrence Crawford and magemub

480
00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:50,559
was very right, right and the you know, if you're

481
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,200
well for British fans mostly, but.

482
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,079
Speaker 2: I'm gonna defer to you. I'm gonna defer to you

483
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,279
off the top of your head. In the last four

484
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,960
or five years, with the exception of the recent Saudi

485
00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,559
cards lining them up, you obviously can't recollect one that

486
00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:04,839
appears to be this deep.

487
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,319
Speaker 1: With this many world I should.

488
00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:08,079
Speaker 3: To go back. I have to go back to the

489
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,680
card I have spoken about before. That was the Don

490
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:12,400
King card from Atlantic City, and I want to say

491
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,240
roughly five that had eight world title fights. The entire

492
00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:18,559
card was eight world title fights, and it had multiple

493
00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:21,079
undisputed title fights and tons of big names. Bernard Hopkins

494
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,599
in undisputed mindweight defense, you know heavyweight title fights, zab

495
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,000
Juden junior welterweight title fight, you know, a unification fight

496
00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:30,960
in the one hundred and fifteen pound weight class, undisputed

497
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,799
welterweight title fight with my organ in space. There was

498
00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:35,400
an eight, like I said, just a jam packed, tremendous

499
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,440
card that was an HBO pay per view that Don

500
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,079
King put on. Other than that, this is about as

501
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,079
good as I can So here's how so we'll go

502
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,640
through the fights in a second. But when I was

503
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,039
in the process of doing the reporting and people, I

504
00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:50,359
don't think they understand quite what I do. It's not

505
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,079
like somebody calls me and says, hey, by the way,

506
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,079
here's the five fights that are on the show. You

507
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,599
get a bread crumb, you followed up and make a

508
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,519
couple of calls, and people you think might know, you

509
00:22:57,559 --> 00:22:59,799
put it together and then you kind of use about it.

510
00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:01,200
I was thinking, and I was talking to one of

511
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,119
the people that was one of the sources involved in this,

512
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,440
and I'm going through the different fights with them, and

513
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,160
you know, what's a loaded card when it takes a

514
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,720
little while to figure out what's the main event plan

515
00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:15,599
because normally you would know, oh, yeah, that's the main event,

516
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,119
and then everything else falls out, you know, into place

517
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,559
when you have to try to have a conversation and

518
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,559
you can legitimately see like three different fights could theoretically

519
00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:28,279
be the main event, right and quite literally with no

520
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,640
and again I'm not carrying anybody's water. All six fights

521
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,680
five that I think are closer than the six, but

522
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,720
the six that's also possible. We're literally all six fights

523
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:43,960
one hundred percent. In the older days of like our

524
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,519
HBO and showtime existence, or you know, even in today's

525
00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,880
day where riad Season is not involved, it was just

526
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,359
a regular Golden Boy card or a top rank card

527
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,200
or a PBC card, what have you. Any of the

528
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,440
six fights could easily be the main event of the show.

529
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So let's take it from the top. It is my understanding,

530
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,920
and again Turkey al Hikh, who is the mastermind of this,

531
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,839
who is putting the resources and the muscle behind it,

532
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,039
has the financial backing with his government and what he

533
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:13,440
has the ability to spend and do. So one thing

534
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,160
we know from Turkey is a couple of things. One

535
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,039
he is a legitimate massive boxing fan and two he

536
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,039
likes staff cards and his proof is in the track record,

537
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:25,640
because if you take a look at the reat season

538
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,000
cards that have taken place since their first one, which

539
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:30,599
was back in October of last year when Tyson Fury

540
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,880
had the fight with Frances Naganu, you know that he

541
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,559
is a man of his word. When he says I'm

542
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:38,680
putting on stack cars. This might be the best of

543
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,839
all of them. So again it's all a matter of

544
00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:43,359
can they get it done. So Daniel Dubois, who is

545
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,359
the IBF heavyweight title holder, dubious his claim on that belt. However,

546
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,200
you see that because of the fact that Usaik, who

547
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,400
was on dispute, it had to give it up regardless

548
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,079
when he made his first defense, it was a massive

549
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,359
event in Britain back a couple of months, you know.

550
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,119
That was a September on the London react season at

551
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,640
Wimbley Stadium ninety plus thousand, ninety five, ninety eight whatever

552
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,519
it was, thousand people and he went in there and

553
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:08,200
absolutely destroyed, demolished and knocked out and obliterated Anthony Joshua

554
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,799
in a just a gargantuan upset and a huge victor.

555
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,519
So he's I again, Turkey can always change the order

556
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,640
of the fights, and he's done that before. But my

557
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,599
understanding is that Dua will headline this card against Joseph Parker,

558
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,599
who was a man who has earned the opportunity to

559
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,880
challenge for another heavyweight title. He has been winning on

560
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,759
read season cards. He's defeated Anthony, I mean Deontay Wilder,

561
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,079
he defeated who he beat does Angelais was another fighter

562
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,400
that he defeated. So he's he's got the you know,

563
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,400
he's got the what's the word I'm looking for that,

564
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,119
he's got the track record, he's proven himself in terms

565
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,319
of what he's been able to do, the.

566
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: Recent cred the credibility that has him there, and he's

567
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,079
got an interim title if I'm not mistaken too.

568
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: So right, he's a w Now, I don't think that

569
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,200
will necessarily be uh, that won't necessarily be at stake

570
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,279
because a the w BIL was pretty particular about that.

571
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,839
They're not going to let him like you, I don't

572
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,880
think anyway, Unifi you know, those those belts. But that's

573
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,599
not really even that relevant. The fact of the matter

574
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,519
is he has two big wins in his last two fights.

575
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:11,079
He beat Deonta and he beat Jang, and he deserves

576
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240
this opportunity. And Dubois coming off of that type of

577
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,240
big win over Anthony Joshua certainly isn't you know, he's

578
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,960
the He's another guy that can sell and remember this

579
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,519
is pay per view and all that, probably and they're

580
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:24,599
gonna look for the British audience. Parker's well known in

581
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,200
the UK sponsor many times. He also has a fight

582
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,519
that he had with Anthony Joshua, he fought Joe Joyce,

583
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,279
and he's fought, uh, you know, several of the British fighters.

584
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,920
So when you think that the undisputed light heavyweight Championship

585
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,680
rematch between Better b b Ball is going to be

586
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:42,960
the co feature after they headlined to be the in

587
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,480
the undisputed fight that took place in October, that's a

588
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,559
big freaking car. And you know, right after that fight happened,

589
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,039
and better Be one what was you know, disputed by

590
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:55,119
many in terms of the outcome, a majority decision that

591
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,720
the rematch was something that be Ball immediately requested and

592
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:01,319
wanted and and turkeyosh said, look, I thought that Boble

593
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:04,160
won by two points and better Be. His position was,

594
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,960
if Turkey wants me to do the rematch, I'll do

595
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,599
the rematch. Well that's happening. And there was some discussion

596
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,160
maybe would have to wait till the beginning of the

597
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,599
next Raand season, but it's not gonna happen. They're gonna

598
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,559
end up doing it on this next Riant season card

599
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,160
in February. I am told that while it's not signed,

600
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,599
at least not you know, as of a day or

601
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,279
two ago when I was talking everybody, one hundred percent

602
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,920
the fighters agreed to. The money is agree to, which

603
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,319
is always the biggest thing, and this the you know,

604
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,240
everybody on both sides is making plans though this fight

605
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,839
is absolutely happening of every twenty second. So for this

606
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,079
to go as the co feature again, he could change

607
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:34,720
his mind, Turkey and make it the main event, I suppose.

608
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,359
But whatever order of the fights, to have this fight

609
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,160
on a card with Duba and Parker is astronomically a

610
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,359
big deal, tremendous, tremendous card right there.

611
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: But like as we say, but wait, there's still more.

612
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,039
Speaker 3: And also just to be clear, we've seen like with

613
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,880
Usik and Fury when they had their undisputed title fight,

614
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,519
the rematch is not gonna have all the belts at say,

615
00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:00,799
it is my understanding that when Better Beevan and people

616
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:02,880
will do the rematch all four belts in fact, we

617
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,400
will be at stake. So that's a little bit of

618
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,759
an added bonus, I guess to see that now moving

619
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:10,319
down there, and again I don't know the order of

620
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:11,960
the fights. I mean, these could all change, but I'll

621
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,680
just go to if this is my opinion of what

622
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,799
the next biggest fight is Virgil Orties against Bout Tennis.

623
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,000
You alluded to my interview with Eric Omas, who said

624
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,359
that's the two sides we're having that conversation. They were

625
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,119
hoping to get that done. Boots moving up from one

626
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,400
forty seven where he holds the IVF title to go

627
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,119
up to one hundred and fifty four to fight Virgil

628
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,920
Ortiz for his WBC interim belt. One of the best

629
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,680
fights you could probably make in the division, if not boxing,

630
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,359
in terms of two exciting, younger, undefeated guys who both

631
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,759
looking for that breakout type of fight against a bigger

632
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,519
name opponent. Now, Virgil is coming off that life in

633
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:47,039
depth battle against Boachuk where he got knocked down two

634
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,359
times and ended up scraping by with a win, first

635
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,720
time he ever had to go to the distance and Ennis.

636
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:54,480
While he won more handily in his last fight just

637
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,640
a few weeks ago, in the rematch with Chikazian, it

638
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,480
was not a great performance. He got hit quite a bit.

639
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,799
So both guys, although winning and exciting and people you

640
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:06,880
want to see back in the ring. I believe it's

641
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,559
fair to say that both have shown in their last

642
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,839
couple of fights their vulnerabilities and this is just as

643
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,920
good as a guess. I mean, for a fight like

644
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,960
this to be at least three fights down a show

645
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,160
is amazing. Yeah, so that's another fight again. I don't

646
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,519
know if it's done yet, but this is what they're

647
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,079
working on. And now further down the cart a fight

648
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,759
that we have spoken about that has been in the

649
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,000
offing for a little bit. Frank Warren, who is the

650
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:35,279
promoter of Hamsa Shiraz, who was a rehad season ambassador

651
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,200
and has been involved. You know, Turkey has taken him

652
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,000
under his wing, so to speak, and you know it

653
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,440
makes him an important part of that. They've been trying

654
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,799
to get him a title fight, and Frank has been

655
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,279
saying for a while, Amzi will fight very well titled.

656
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,440
It was just a matter which opponent with the belt

657
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,160
he was gonna fight.

658
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: You were talking last week on the podcast that obviously

659
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,000
there was a lot of discussion going on because suddenly

660
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,960
they weren't gonna fight Jana back, and with your reporting

661
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,799
you led right to what it was going to be.

662
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: And here it iss like.

663
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,519
Speaker 3: Though the Janabek fight had been ordered as a WBO mandatory,

664
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,480
he withdrew from the purse bid, not because he was

665
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,599
scared like some people that suggest that is absolutely ridiculous,

666
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,200
but because the other two champions in the weight class,

667
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,799
which were ARISONI Lara and Carlos A Damas from Again,

668
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:18,880
what I am told was not none of these fights

669
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,119
are easy to make, but they were more doable and

670
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,200
a little bit more smooth riding, let's say, to get there.

671
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,240
And so it was sort of like which PBC guy

672
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,519
that we end up going with. It has turned out

673
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:31,559
that it's going to be a Damas defending the WBC

674
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,079
title against Tarraz now even though he was the mandatory

675
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,200
in the fight was ordered in the WBO. Charras also

676
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,480
is sitting at the number one contender spot in the WBC,

677
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,240
so there's that. Also, It's not like he just is

678
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,960
not rated or anything like that. This is a very

679
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:46,400
legit fight. A Damas is a kind of a seen

680
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,200
some anonymity. He doesn't have a really big profile. You know.

681
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,680
He did get a win over a Terrell Gichet on

682
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,880
a recent PBC pay per view under card, but Charaz

683
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,240
is really the guy with the He's the money guy

684
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,839
right now in the division. Even though he doesn't have

685
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,400
a title and this is a really good matchup. He

686
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,440
just blew away Tyler Denny for the European title. Adamis

687
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,519
looked pretty good in his title victory, although not so exciting,

688
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,119
but him and Shiraz that sacks up as a very

689
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,599
interesting fight. And now we can go further down the card.

690
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,839
He had another quality heavyweight fight easily could be a

691
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,599
main event in my opinion. Two guys who've been winning

692
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,960
on these undercards are on these cards of the Ria season.

693
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,079
Have got Zilly Zang that we've mentioned before, the big

694
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,319
South Pop, big puncher, Chinese fighter. Uh been in the

695
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,519
ring with a lot of you guys. You know he

696
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,200
is beaten.

697
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: Joe Joyce twice wipe Deontay Wilder recently.

698
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,519
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, no, no, he beat He beat up on

699
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:44,319
h On Wilder. That was that was just you know,

700
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,640
that was the knockout that more or less ended. I'm

701
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,160
not saying Deontay is never going to fight again, but

702
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,960
it certainly ended his days as a main event type fighter,

703
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:54,680
you know, top level heavyweight. That was the that was

704
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,720
the main event of the five versus five card back

705
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,759
in June, and the and his opponent is your boy

706
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:03,880
who's looked good on these Rihan cards. He's twenty five

707
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720
and oh and he's got two big wins in a row.

708
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,279
He knocked out at the time who was an undefeated

709
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,240
fighter that was favored and he ruined him fourth round

710
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,440
knockout is my recollection against Arsenal and Beck Mackwadoff. That

711
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,359
was a tremendous victory for him. And then he came back.

712
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
That was in December of last year. And then he

713
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,200
came back and had what I think is even bigger

714
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,599
win against the undefeated Frank Sanchez, the you know, the

715
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,960
split Cuban southpaw that nobody ever wanted to fight, and

716
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,680
he took him out in seven round. So he's got

717
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,359
two knockouts against two guys that were undefeated. Both times.

718
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,440
I believe that your boy Cavill was the underdog and

719
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,759
so now he's putting on the line. He's putting on

720
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,079
the line against against Jang for big you know, it's

721
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,759
not like an official title, but it's big stakes because

722
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,200
the winner is clearly in a wonderful position. I mean,

723
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,640
he'll have three big wins in a row, your boy Cavil,

724
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,960
and if a Jang, he'll have another big win because

725
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,039
he just beat up on Deontay Wilder in the last fight.

726
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,559
That's tremendous.

727
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,279
Speaker 2: But what well way, But wait, that's apparently not it,

728
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,359
as we have something else that's on the radar. We

729
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,960
had heard about Shakur Stevenson maybe being on the read

730
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,759
season called what are you hearing here?

731
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: Okay sold On. Originally, one of the fights that was

732
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:16,200
being planned for the show was going to be shak

733
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,839
Over in his mandatory of the WBC lightweight title against

734
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,480
Williams of Paida, who was the mandatory and if you remember,

735
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,920
they were supposed to have their their quote unquote tune

736
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,279
up fights and then Shaquor got injured and pulled out

737
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:31,279
because he was supposed to fight Coordina, but he couldn't

738
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,319
go through with it because of his medical issue. He

739
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:35,480
had a surgery on his I believe this is right

740
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,000
hand or something like that. Anyway, and then the Paida

741
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,039
had he took his tune up fight anyway, and on

742
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,240
the Latino Night card back, you know, a week or

743
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,720
two ago, he had that really excellent fight with Tevin Farmer.

744
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,640
He won the fight even though he got knocked down,

745
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:50,119
and he came out of that fight with a hand

746
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,759
injury that's going to keep him out for a couple

747
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,039
of months. So the prospect of that fight taking place

748
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,160
on February twenty second was out the window, which of

749
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,759
course still wanted to fight. They were still trying to

750
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,400
figure out if they get him on the show. At

751
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,000
one point I was told he's probably not going to

752
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,279
be on. But this kind of came out of it

753
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:04,680
came out of nowhere because he's been calling him out

754
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,240
for a little while, but now there was a real

755
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:08,280
movement to actually make the fight. An offer was sent

756
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,239
from the matchroom Chakor side to Golden Boy, who is

757
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,000
the promoter of Floyd Schofield, the undefeated lightweight up and

758
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,360
comer who's never fought on this level before, as good

759
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,840
as a prospect as he may be. And it appears

760
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,960
as though they're going to make the fight, because if

761
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,079
you read the fighters social media, they're like, we've agreed

762
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:29,280
to everything that we're doing the fight. I'm told one

763
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,559
hundred percent the offer was made and now we'll just

764
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,159
see if they can actually get it done. And like,

765
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,960
and when I say done, not what the fighter said,

766
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,159
I mean signed on a piece of paper, a contract.

767
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,199
But imagine if you add now against Scokefield, two young

768
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,119
undefeated guys who really want all the smoke. So that

769
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,280
so the kids say, I mean, and that's like the

770
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:47,880
sixth fight.

771
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,119
Speaker 1: We may I don't know what.

772
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: We may have lost some people we got du Bois

773
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,280
Parker better be a bople allegedly all in this card

774
00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,920
or ties innis Carlos, Adamis Hamsa Shiraz Kaba yell.

775
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: And now you're telling me that.

776
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: Shakur and Floyd Schofield is like a definite maybe for

777
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:11,880
fight number six, that is a And even if it's

778
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,039
not all six, let's say it's five of the six,

779
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,519
that's still a loaded card.

780
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: I completely concur completely.

781
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: So I mean, this may sound like kind of dopey,

782
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,639
and I don't want to like look a gift course

783
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:27,599
in the mouth, as they say, and say, you know,

784
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:31,440
I don't appreciate this. It's almost too much, you know,

785
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:33,320
I like to have. I mean, you want the fights

786
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,920
to have a chance to breathe on their own a

787
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,719
little bit and to get the publicity in the excitement level.

788
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,639
There's so much on this potential card that I don't

789
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:42,639
even know where to begin with my excitement.

790
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: You know.

791
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: And the other thing what you're saying is a perfect world,

792
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,519
you'd like to have like two or three of these

793
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:52,280
fights a couple of weeks later or a month later. Yes, Instead,

794
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,599
we're gonna get them all. It's like Thanksgiving at my

795
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,440
mother in law's. I got seventeen things that I can

796
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,239
eat from, and she's mad in a good way about

797
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,920
whatever I don't touch. It's kind of the same thing, exactly.

798
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,440
I feel like obligated to have seventeen little portions.

799
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,519
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it. It's gonna be one of those days

800
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:12,239
where you're gonna it's gonna be like an eight hour

801
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,519
boxing day of watching guys. I'm thinking about it from

802
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,360
my perspective also having to right the fights. And again

803
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,960
I'm not I'm not. I'm kind of half joking that serious.

804
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,559
I'm not unappreciative of the efforts to make this fight.

805
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,039
So you know, if Turkey is listening, I appreciate it,

806
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,000
and all the folks that are putting up the money

807
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,559
and the fighters are doing these fights, and for even

808
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,599
guys like a better be of an a Beevle to

809
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,280
potentially accept an undercard position after being the main event,

810
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,960
and the kind of all these guys, by the way,

811
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,360
have fought main event fights. I mean, Dubot and Parker

812
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,760
have been in main events. Do watch just fought in

813
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,159
front of like, you know, ninety plus thousand people, better

814
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,360
be a people have been plenty of main events. Virgelo

815
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,239
Ortis and Boots have both been main events. Adamis, I

816
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,000
guess hasn't been a main event, but Shiraz I think

817
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,440
maybe the same situation. But certainly Jang has been in

818
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,119
a main event, and certainly Shakur and Schofield have been

819
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:57,840
in their own main event.

820
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,199
Speaker 2: So this is, I mean, demonstrates one more time over

821
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,559
the last couple of years that Turkey Ala chic and

822
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,840
and the ri odd season and the money behind him

823
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,760
has cut through all of the bull crap, all the delays,

824
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,760
all of the stuff that if you have the money,

825
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,039
these guys will come together and will make fights and

826
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:18,960
we'll do deals.

827
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: And here it is again.

828
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,079
Speaker 3: It happens if it all comes together. Yeah, And I'm

829
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,039
and I'm very confident, like even if all six don't happen,

830
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,599
at least three or four of them are going to happen.

831
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: All right, It's still amazing, Hey tuned.

832
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 3: And I don't want to hear anybody I've already seen

833
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,480
like wow, I mean it's a great car, But where's

834
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,679
Martin Becoley. Well, marmccoley is a tremendous guy you want

835
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,880
to see also, and there was the possibility.

836
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,679
Speaker 2: So we gotta have we got to have eleven fights,

837
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,960
then we gotta have a Bacoli fighting.

838
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,119
Speaker 1: And they were thinking he was.

839
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:50,599
Speaker 3: Going to be the guy to fight you know, Jang

840
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,199
possibly or or even Cobyo. But it's not happening, so

841
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,079
you know, I get it, but it's come on, that's

842
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,559
like saying like you know, I'm I don't understand like

843
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,719
that that mentality, like appreciate what there is. IS's I

844
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,480
much good stuff on there every single fight. By here's

845
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,960
the other thing about it, by the way, not one

846
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,719
of those fights that I just mentioned. Do I think

847
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,760
that the guy who is going to turn out to

848
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,000
be the betting favorite is the betting favorite by a ton?

849
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

850
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,519
Speaker 3: The only one that I think might be a little

851
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,559
wider in terms of the odds probably would be Shitorn's Fofield.

852
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,320
And it's not a knock on Schofield. He just doesn't

853
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,599
have that level of experience. But I definitely appreciate, you know,

854
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,400
the youthful exuberance to go out there and at a

855
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,280
young age go after the big name and not dick

856
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,320
around and wait four years to try to have the

857
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,800
big fight.

858
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: All right, A lot of great stuff with that. Some

859
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,400
other news from this week. You know, it's not every

860
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,920
day that we come across a social media post or

861
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,519
an email in the email box that says promoter wants

862
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,719
to respond to rumor, speculation, conjecture that our main event

863
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,199
was not on the up and up and may have

864
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,880
been staged, may have had something going on. But that's

865
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,280
exactly what Most Valuable Promotions did MVP earlier this week,

866
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,199
where where the conversation, the conjecture was out there that

867
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,480
there was somehow a clause in the contract for Jake

868
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,039
Paul and Mike Tyson. The ridiculous one that I heard

869
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:13,519
is that Tyson couldn't throw uppercuts in the fight contractually

870
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,679
can't throw an uppercut, and that somehow there was a

871
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,920
clause or an understanding. Nobody's going to try to knock

872
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,519
anybody down or out. So what do you make of that,

873
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,760
Dan Rayfield, that they had to they decided to address

874
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,119
it with a statement earlier this week saying this stuff

875
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:34,800
is not true, it's bs that under the legalities and

876
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,760
the Texas Boxing Commission, none of this happened. What about

877
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,440
addressing the rumors as they did this week, what do

878
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:40,800
you make of that?

879
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,199
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, and as MVP pointed out and

880
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,119
rightly so, wreaking a professional boxing match is against is

881
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,400
a federal crime in the United States, period. Like if

882
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,639
they find that out, you go to prison. Period. So

883
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,920
the notion here, here's what I'll say about that, was

884
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:02,280
the fight fixed in quote marks? Was it in quote marks? Yes,

885
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,880
by the matchmaking, not by the intent of the competitors

886
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,280
to not try or win. There's two ways to so

887
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,199
call fix a fight. One is to be doing illegal

888
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,159
things like we just mentioned and have clauses and contracts

889
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:19,360
and say you can't do this or we're not going

890
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,760
to try, and you purposely do things where you're not

891
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,360
going to try.

892
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: To win predetermined outcome somehow somewhat.

893
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: The other is when you make a match where you

894
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,360
do never know one hundred percent because anybody might land

895
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,559
the crazy punch or suffer an injury. There's that, but

896
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,320
you you put yourself in a position where you're very

897
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,360
confident in what the result is going to be. By

898
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,079
the match you make so And as I said a

899
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,679
thousand times leading up to this fight, you know you

900
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,199
know my love for Tyson the fighter. I mean, one

901
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,280
of the greats and one of the most exciting fighters

902
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,880
in the history of the sport, and a personality like

903
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,039
no other that we've seen for decades and decades and

904
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:00,840
decades of boxing. But the notion that in his physically

905
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,199
twenty seven year old Jake Paul, who may not be

906
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,119
a great fighter or a very experienced but was fighting regularly,

907
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,880
was fighting experienced combat athletes, even if they're former UFC fighters,

908
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,199
who's been getting into their reps, who was in good shape,

909
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:17,960
who is strong and hungry, is somehow gonna lose to

910
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,119
a fifty eight year old Mike Tyson who hasn't had

911
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,559
a real fight on nearly twenty years, who when he

912
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:24,599
had his last fight twenty years ago, even a few

913
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,360
fights before that twenty three twenty four years ago, was

914
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,760
completely shot, who's not lived as spartan life to be mild,

915
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,559
who's done every drug in the book, who's drank every

916
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,519
liquor in the book, who excess, who has not lived

917
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,320
a good life in that sense, And he'll be the

918
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,400
first to admit it was somehow going to turn back

919
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,760
the hands of time and go out there and beat

920
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,480
a young man like that, and it was painfully obvious

921
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,000
to everybody watching if they could watch through the buffering

922
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,920
of their netflixtreame that Tyson had any sembls of anything

923
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,079
left after out in the second round of the fight.

924
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,719
And so while Jake Paul admitted that he went easier

925
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,920
on and didn't try for the knockout because he didn't

926
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,639
feel like he wanted to hurt somebody that did.

927
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: Was I didn't want to hurt somebody that didn't need

928
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:11,079
to get hurt, and that fueled a lot of this

929
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,760
that there must be something there. But again, I'll even

930
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,440
go a step further, the idiocy of that they would

931
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,360
put that in writing somehow with a clause in the contract,

932
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,119
which is what was out there all right. So I'm

933
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,360
just coming at it one more time from it's fascinating

934
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,159
that they would choose to address it and try to

935
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,119
quill it. There's a big word, well to quill it

936
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,400
and say everybody knock it off. This didn't happen, It

937
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,480
didn't exist, And like you said, it's felonious.

938
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: It's a chatter got to be the chatter got to

939
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,440
be too intense, and some of the people that were

940
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,239
putting it forth were people who This was not just

941
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,880
idle chatter from you know, know nothings on social media.

942
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
This was Michael Irvin, for example, from you know, the

943
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,719
former Dallas Cowboy, who was saying things along those lines,

944
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,719
and other sports pundits who comment on sports all the time,

945
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,519
uh and do a good job but honestly don't know

946
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,920
anything about boxing. Who think they know and we're making

947
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
those types of comments, And I just felt that it

948
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:09,719
was wrong. I never in a million years thought it

949
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,400
was fixed, rigged, or anything other than an actual fight

950
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:14,519
where you knew the result because of the matchup that

951
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,239
was made. End of story. And frankly, Jake Paul had

952
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,000
he stepped on the gas and not let Tyson off

953
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,239
though he absolutely would have stopped him in my opinion,

954
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:24,960
and I only regret that I that I picked him

955
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,239
by a knockout all that way look over, you know.

956
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that they had a stipulation where

957
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,559
Mike Tyson couldn't throw an upper cut at him.

958
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:34,599
Speaker 3: So they didn't need a stipulation. You want to know why,

959
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,800
because Mike Tyson. He couldn't throw up uppercut, not contractually

960
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,840
but physically.

961
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

962
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: Period.

963
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: All right, so we gave that. We gave that a lot. Uh.

964
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: They did respond, and there we go, and we'll see

965
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,119
what happens next with Jake Paul, where he goes lext.

966
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,639
Speaker 1: And what he does next.

967
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,119
Speaker 2: All right, what's up with Taya Fimo Lopez? He says,

968
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:52,880
now he's working with somebody else.

969
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:54,039
Speaker 1: What's the way?

970
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,159
Speaker 3: Interesting? All right? Go ahead, Well, you know his father

971
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,320
Ti Femo Singer has been his career long trainer, trained

972
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,639
him since day one, got him to a world title,

973
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,599
got him to two of the best wins in recent boxing,

974
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:08,480
which is his victory against against Vasili Lomachenko and his

975
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:12,800
victory against Josh Taylor, two huge wins. Wanted won a

976
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,119
Trainer of the Year award. But they have brought on

977
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:18,880
to and again we'll see how it actually pans out

978
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,039
when the fight happens. Who takes charge? Uh, they've brought

979
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,039
in and they're now working with Eddie Renoso. They had

980
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:27,119
been working with him informally, but now apparently they have

981
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,119
made it a more formal thing where he will be

982
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:30,480
in the court. It's not just we're gonna work in

983
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:32,440
the gym a little bit and get some tips, but

984
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,280
you're gonna be part of the team. And uh. Tifimo

985
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,239
Lopez had a picture on his social of his father

986
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,440
and himself and Eddie Renoso of course, who everybody knows

987
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,840
is the trainer and manager of Canelo Alvarez, among others,

988
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,480
and Eddie Renoso responding say, you know, let's get it

989
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,320
or something like that. So it seems like when Ti

990
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,039
Fimo does get back to action, probably sometime in this

991
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,039
you know, uh you know, springtime or so or late

992
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,039
late winter, that Eddie Renoso is going to be part

993
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:58,840
of that team. And I think that as long as

994
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,679
they can put the egos with the dad and and

995
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,320
and let Eddie does what he does best. I think

996
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,519
it's a great move because Eddie has proven himself to

997
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,119
be one of the top trainers in boxing. He's a

998
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,480
two time Trainer of the Year winner. Uh so he

999
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,800
got you know, as t Femo pointed, I got three

1000
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:15,679
Eddie Futch Trainer of the Year award winners in my corner,

1001
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,280
meaning my dad and Eddie twice. So I think it

1002
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,079
can only help t Fimo as long as he allows

1003
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:24,480
himself to uh to be coached and to learn and

1004
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,360
that the father can, you know, put some of the

1005
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,039
ego aside and step back and understand that Eddie. While

1006
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:30,679
t FEMO showed himself to be a good trainer, that

1007
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,679
Eddie it just probably knows a little bit more and

1008
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,320
can bring something to the table to polish this one up.

1009
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,960
And in the end, if it works, it'll make Eddie

1010
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,199
look good. It'll make t FEMO Junior look good, and

1011
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:43,519
it'll make Eddie, it'll make t FMO's senior look good

1012
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:46,039
because it will have been something they all did together.

1013
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:47,679
Because it's you know, when you have to manage all

1014
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:50,159
those egos and they've all got him. It's not it's

1015
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,159
not easy. But if you just remember that we're here

1016
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:53,880
for the best interest of to make the career of

1017
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,320
Tim Lopez Junior be the best that can be. I

1018
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,639
think they can put together a good situation like that.

1019
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,679
Speaker 2: All right, you've been busy, my lord, you got more here.

1020
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,719
And this is involving Edgar Berlanga. What have you learned

1021
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,840
about his next bout and win?

1022
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,199
Speaker 3: So he has not fought since he lost a very

1023
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,880
spirited and game effort against Canelo Alvarez where even though

1024
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,920
he lost, which most people expected. He didn't get knocked out,

1025
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,079
and he put up a really good spirited fight and

1026
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:23,960
he did a lot better than most people thought. And

1027
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,320
now it's time for him to play in the next fight.

1028
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,440
So he's staying in the super middleweight division. And my

1029
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:31,239
understanding is he is penciled in now for March eighth,

1030
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,719
but what makes it a little bit more interesting and

1031
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,400
no opponent yet. They'll figure something out. But you know,

1032
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,559
he is Puerto Rican by his heritage, but he's not

1033
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,920
born in Puerto Rico and he's not fought in Puerto Rico.

1034
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,119
He's a as they called him, a new Eurekan. He's

1035
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,880
a New Yorker from Brooklyn News Puerto Rican, but he's

1036
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,599
very I've know he's been wanting to do this, to

1037
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,800
have a fight in Puerto Rico. So Mattroom is going

1038
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,880
to take him to Puerto Rico March ef if everything

1039
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,239
goes to plan, and he will fight in Puerto Rico

1040
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,000
for the first time and we'll see who the opponent is.

1041
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,719
Mattroom is now, they just did a show in Puerto

1042
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,119
Rico when sybral Matias lost the title to Liam Paro.

1043
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,519
They're going back to Puerto Rico. Uh next week when

1044
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:11,119
they have the Liam Paro defense against his mandatory Richardson Hitchins.

1045
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,199
Because you know what I always say, GJ, if you

1046
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,039
have a New york Er by Haitian descent against an Australian,

1047
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:17,159
you gotta fight in Puerto Rico.

1048
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,679
Speaker 1: You've been You've been using my material and I am flattered.

1049
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,000
I love it. Yes, I agree.

1050
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:25,039
Speaker 3: Is the imitation what the best form of letter anyway?

1051
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,559
So this will be a fight where they actually have,

1052
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,480
unlike the Paro and Hitchins fight another fighter at least

1053
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,119
where they Puerto Rican heritage in the background for Edgar

1054
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,960
to fight there. So look, I think it's this kind

1055
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,239
of weird thing, like even though he suffered his first loss,

1056
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:42,239
I think Edgar Berlanga gained more respect from the boxing

1057
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,880
community and the fans and the media in the defeat

1058
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,880
and the way he conducted it was.

1059
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: Certainly tough that night. Yeah, I mean, you can't say

1060
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,800
a lot more. It's not like he was close to

1061
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,000
winning or pulling the upset. I think, hey, maybe learned

1062
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,199
some things I don't know. I think, isn't there a

1063
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,760
legitimate argument and then we'll move on that Orlango was

1064
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,239
propped up with all those first round knockouts, and you

1065
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,440
can make the argument that maybe he was not great

1066
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,199
to begin with. He was only good and a lot

1067
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,719
of this has been puffed up and he's got to

1068
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,719
demonstrate now post Canelo, can he be great? Listen to

1069
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,960
me teasing ahead. Can he be great in the next

1070
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:22,360
chapters of his career? And that will start in March

1071
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,039
according to you.

1072
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,199
Speaker 3: I think that despite the loss, because of the way

1073
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,320
he fought, the way that he was brave, that he

1074
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,719
didn't he got knocked down, but he got up, and

1075
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,119
that he made it a good fight. I think he

1076
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,360
this even in losing, like, I think he got confidence.

1077
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,840
He's like, Okay, fine, I didn't win the fight, but

1078
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,320
I just went twelve legit rounds, hard, tough, rownsy eye

1079
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,480
loss with arguably the best fighter boxing or certainly in

1080
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,199
the top five hold for pound, one of the all

1081
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:53,159
times UTURE Hall of Famer, guy, unified world champ, the

1082
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,440
class of the weight class for the last few years,

1083
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,199
Like I hung even though I didn't win with the

1084
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,599
great Canelo overs and that's going to give him, I

1085
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:03,760
think some confidence coming up. If there's ever such a

1086
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,440
thing as a good loss, that's what it was. He

1087
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,519
went the distance, he put up a good fight, the

1088
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,320
fans were entertained, and now it's time to begin to

1089
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,880
come back and see if he can get himself back

1090
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,400
in position.

1091
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: That will be in March.

1092
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: One more news item. We got some heavyweight drama away

1093
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,079
from the ring.

1094
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: What a surprise. It involves your boy Jaryll J Miller.

1095
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: All right, so he was supposed to be involved with

1096
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,760
a fight with Derek Jesra.

1097
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: That ain't happening now apparently. All right, what's the latest?

1098
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,679
Speaker 3: So as I had reported, even though it hadn't been announced,

1099
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,480
and this was a fun, interesting, like good fight. It

1100
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,840
felt like they were going to do a Queensberry Promotions

1101
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,280
cart in Manchester and the main event was going to

1102
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,320
be the very popular, fan friendly British fighter Derek Cesra

1103
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:49,880
coming near the finish line obviously, but says he wants

1104
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,119
to get fifty fights. The mats him up with Jerald Miller,

1105
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,519
another you know, crowd pleaser, another entertainer, not a great fighter,

1106
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,719
but a guy that's shown some heart and you know,

1107
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,039
I know we don't have to get into then the

1108
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,440
new show of his past drug test situation. But since

1109
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,360
he's come back from that you know, he had a

1110
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:10,239
very uh uh a competitive but you know, a loss

1111
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,639
where you hear and respect. I think a lot of

1112
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:13,119
people in the way that he fought the fight when

1113
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,719
he lost the fight, uh In Tremer with you, I

1114
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,840
forget the opponent, Yeah, exactly, And that was a good fight.

1115
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,360
He gave the Boston trouble even though he ended up

1116
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,440
getting stopped. And then he had a draw in August

1117
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,079
against Andy Ruiz, and there was a lot of people

1118
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:29,960
thought that Jerald Miller deserved to win the fight anyway.

1119
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:34,360
So Chiesa and Miller was like shaped up as like

1120
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,920
the ultimate kind of heavyweight sloby knocker. Like it didn't

1121
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,760
have huge necessary meaning, it wasn't pound for palent implications,

1122
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,960
the guy that one wasn't getting a title shot in

1123
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,920
the immediate future and anything like that. But just a

1124
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,760
good crowd pleasing kind of fight would bring in a

1125
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,840
good crowd, do a good audience, make some money and

1126
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,800
everybody have a good time.

1127
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:49,559
Speaker 1: Uh.

1128
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 3: And then Jeral Miller went on his Instagram, uh the

1129
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,199
other day and he made a video saying the fight

1130
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,000
was off not because just Sor didn't want to fight.

1131
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:59,440
Sore is a good dude. He wanted to fight. I

1132
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:01,599
want to fight, but he really ripped into his former

1133
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:05,079
promoter Dmetris Salida and just had a lot of nasty

1134
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,360
things and basically was like, look, you know, my contract

1135
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,639
with him is up. But apparently Dmitri retained a first

1136
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,039
and last in the in the agreement where he can

1137
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,559
match whatever offer was, and supposedly they did that even

1138
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,440
though they hadn't yet given him like an opponent, a

1139
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,920
dat a number of dollars or the particulars. It was

1140
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,800
explained to me like a poorly written agreement, which sometimes happens,

1141
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,039
so you get into that gray region. The bottom line

1142
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,039
is the fight wasn't happening, and even if they could

1143
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:33,079
have overcome whatever the legalities were, Queensberry wanted to get

1144
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,119
the fight announced and they're like, there's no special thing there.

1145
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,239
They just moved on that main The A side was

1146
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,360
chasare he's the guy for this particular promotion. So anyway,

1147
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:42,320
that was off. And then the next day, which was

1148
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,679
on Wednesday, they announced that he would in fact, and

1149
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:47,519
I had heard that this was the backup plan in

1150
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:49,719
case something happened and it comes to fruition, he will

1151
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,400
fight Otto Wellen, who is obviously another you know, pretty

1152
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,920
solid contender. Hasn't really done much lately. You know, he's

1153
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,159
his big recent event. Anyway, he's got the twelve. He's

1154
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,519
got two losses, one to Tyson Fury where he was

1155
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,760
highly competitive and ripped open that terrible cut, which was

1156
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,840
you know, a lineal title fight Tesison did not have

1157
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,760
a belt at that time. And then a couple of

1158
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,280
fights ago he got stopped by Anthony Joshua in a

1159
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,960
pretty one sided fight where you know, retired on the

1160
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,960
school that corner pulled him out. He's come back and

1161
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,159
had one win since then. Anyway, that'll make a nice

1162
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,239
main event. I think it would probably been more explosive.

1163
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,119
He certainly a lot more trash talk leading up to

1164
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,960
the fight between Jerald Miller and Jasa, the way that

1165
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,079
those passing go at it.

1166
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:32,599
Speaker 2: Auto all time trash talk between warch Sora and Big

1167
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:34,840
Baby Miller, but not gonna happen.

1168
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 3: Otto was more of a gentleman. Otto was more of

1169
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,559
a professional. From that standpoint. Otto is not a guy

1170
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,119
that gets into it with the opponent outto is a

1171
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:43,480
guy that puts his gloves on and goes to the

1172
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,960
ring like a professional and tries to win the fight.

1173
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,360
But still, you know, two solid names, two guys with

1174
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,400
a vast experience, you know, the Auto Wallying team. They

1175
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,039
jumped on this as soon as it was offered. There

1176
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:59,360
was no hesitation on their behalf whatsoever. And it's certainly

1177
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,199
a fight that I look at as a winnable fight

1178
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,000
for either guy. Chisaura has been you know, around the

1179
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:05,880
track a thousand times. He's coming to the end.

1180
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 4: Uh.

1181
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,079
Speaker 3: You know, Otto's a lot younger and a lot fresher.

1182
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,239
We'll see should be you know again, is it the

1183
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,679
biggest it's not. It's not a mega fight like what

1184
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,880
we've seen on all these Rian season cards, but as

1185
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,280
a as just a fun filled kind of mean event.

1186
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,639
Whether he's fighting Miller or Otto, you know, two good names.

1187
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,199
You know, you always need a good action in the

1188
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,480
heavyweight division, and I think that's a decent matchup. I

1189
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,920
think that Miller fight would have been more exciting. But

1190
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,079
we'll see what Otto has got, you know, coming off

1191
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:33,280
of his win against that nobody, but before that, the

1192
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,159
loss against Uh, against Joshua but Chsaa, he's been giving

1193
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,800
up on so many times. He's actually won a couple

1194
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,320
of fights in a row against decent opponents, you know whatever.

1195
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,480
So you know, we'll see, uh see if the old

1196
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,480
man's got anything left. I mean, we'll see.

1197
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: And that leads us to the nostalgia. Now, we do

1198
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,519
need to say to the peeps. Ray Phield was feeling

1199
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,199
jilted off the weekend that you didn't get some nostalgia

1200
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,159
off your chest because we had kind of pre arranged

1201
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,480
because there wasn't a prominent, main event to recap, et cetera,

1202
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:05,679
we went with the interviews.

1203
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: Oh you are a traveling chance to make up for it, right,

1204
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,440
you travel that was your traveling with the football team.

1205
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: I understand.

1206
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,199
Speaker 2: I was coming back with the Buccaneers from New York

1207
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,480
and we didn't have a prominent fight.

1208
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: I get it.

1209
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,039
Speaker 2: But man, there there are I mean, there's some interesting

1210
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:19,920
things this week that's not even on your list, like

1211
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,079
the No Moss fight Leonard Duran, like that's this week.

1212
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:28,840
I even saw a replay of Larry Holmes destroying Marvis Fraser,

1213
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,599
the son of Smoking Joe in one round. There's nostalgia

1214
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,239
for that here recently.

1215
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,159
Speaker 1: But what about that?

1216
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So speaking of Larry Holmes, there's all kinds of

1217
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,039
dripping nostalgia for November twenty sixth, nineteen eighty two, forty

1218
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,280
two years ago, Tuesday, on the twenty sixth, earlier this week,

1219
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,199
when Holmes beat Randall Tex Cobb. It was the ABC

1220
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:54,119
Heavyweight Championship main event and the final time that Howard

1221
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:58,320
Cosell called boxing on ABC. Because of how one sided

1222
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:02,519
this fight became part of Larry Holmes's long run as

1223
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:03,719
the heavyweight champ as well.

1224
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: What else here on the nostalgia so little.

1225
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 3: Twelve year old Rayfield, I remember watching some of this

1226
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,760
fight back in the time. I mean, at that time,

1227
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,400
I'm not like a die hard boxing ban but it

1228
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,360
was Prime time ABC. You're flipping around the channels. It

1229
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:20,760
was two guys are hit each other and you're like,

1230
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,400
this is interesting. And I obviously I knew who Arry

1231
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,360
Holmes was. I didn't. I had no idea who Randall

1232
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,360
text Cob was. I wasn't that into it at the point,

1233
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:31,960
but I watched, and I watched Larry Holmes deliver for

1234
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
a fight that went throughout the distance, in this case

1235
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,760
fifteen rounds. Back then in nineteen eighty two, one of

1236
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,559
the most savage, ferocious, one sided ass kickings in the

1237
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,719
history of boxing against a guy that got to have

1238
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,079
one of the greatest things of all time, who just

1239
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,440
took every lick in the world. It was. It was

1240
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,480
a shutout on the scorecards. I think one judge gave

1241
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,159
Cob one round like this is back in the days

1242
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:53,679
of the fifteen rounders, so it was I'm looking up

1243
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,719
the scores here. Two judges had it one fifty one

1244
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,480
thirty five each, which is a shutout, and one judge

1245
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:03,440
had it thirty six, which means somewhere along the way

1246
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,760
I found one round to give to Randall t X Cob,

1247
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,360
who spent a lot of time in that fight hitting

1248
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,320
Larry Holmes's hand with his face.

1249
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,599
Speaker 1: You've often said a magnet.

1250
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: His face was a magnet for that piston left jab

1251
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,960
of Larry Holmes all night in this fight and the

1252
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,920
right hands behind it. And it was obvious, and it

1253
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,039
was obvious to co Sell. And that's what we're building

1254
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:28,360
to that this is not going to change text. Cob

1255
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,320
isn't fast enough, does it hit hard enough to do anything?

1256
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,119
Round after round He's taking punishment from the jab from

1257
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,920
the right hand, and I haven't used it in a while.

1258
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,760
Howard's mentality just became, what are we doing? Here after

1259
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,360
the ninth round, after the tenth round, after the eleventh round,

1260
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,079
why are we still doing this?

1261
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:47,679
Speaker 1: Pick it up.

1262
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,679
Speaker 3: Let's just put it in perspective. Where we are here.

1263
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,000
This is Larry making his thirteenth title defense. He's fought everybody.

1264
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,880
He's coming off of a massive win in terms of

1265
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,280
his legacy, in terms of his bank account, in terms

1266
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,719
of his notoriety. He is coming off the very big

1267
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,960
victory against Jerry Cooney. They're doing this fight on Primetime

1268
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:09,800
ABC from the Astrodome in Houston, which was a big

1269
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,840
deal back in the day. It doesn't exist anymore, but

1270
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,320
was certainly a premier venue at the time. And Cobb

1271
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,239
is certainly the underdog. But I don't think anybody figured

1272
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,639
it's going to be the type of shalaking and like

1273
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:24,800
you mentioned about co Seal so disgusted by how this

1274
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,039
fight was going on, that just it got to a

1275
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,039
point where Cobb is taking such a savage battering and

1276
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,239
such a destruction that he's basically like mailing. He's just

1277
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,719
not even really commenting on the fight action. He's just

1278
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:38,960
ripping the fight.

1279
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he's ripping the referee.

1280
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: So the referee was a man named Steve Crossing and

1281
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,920
I don't remember what round it was, but it's an

1282
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,000
amazing piece of audio. And I actually have it like

1283
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:51,679
in my phone because I listened to it because it

1284
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,519
just blows my mind.

1285
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,519
Speaker 2: As you want me to do the impression and get

1286
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:00,400
and grade me on the impression, because here's a thing.

1287
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,440
I used to do co Cell impressions all the time

1288
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,679
in the nineties on sports radio in Tampa Bay and

1289
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,360
people got the reference and they laughed haha, and they

1290
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,960
liked it music.

1291
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,239
Speaker 1: Big.

1292
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,719
Speaker 2: My problem is, Big Dan, we are thirty years on

1293
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:19,960
and people don't get references to Howard Cosell anymore because

1294
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,840
the younger crowd has no idea who we're talking about.

1295
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: And was as big of a sports personality, Yes he was.

1296
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,079
He was Steven A. Smith plus give dayless us whoever

1297
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:31,800
times ten.

1298
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: You know, like when you're when you're watching on on

1299
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,440
your weekend football and you're watching now Tony Romo or

1300
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,159
Tom Brady or Chris Collinsworth be the analyst on a game,

1301
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,760
or you're watching a studio show with Charles Barkley on it.

1302
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:53,440
Co Sell was that type of personality.

1303
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 3: So big when he did the fights, it was a

1304
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,039
one man booth, and you know, we cared he didn't

1305
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:57,639
have an analyst.

1306
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: He did, are you ready for my pression? I can

1307
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,360
you get that quote right? I'm going to get it right. Watch.

1308
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: So I don't know what round it was, but it's

1309
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,679
probably long about the thirteenth or the fourteenth round of

1310
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:11,840
this fifteen round fight.

1311
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:13,639
Speaker 1: And Cosell's had enough.

1312
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:16,199
Speaker 2: He's mentioned it two or three times that the fight

1313
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:19,000
should be over, and he finally says, here we come.

1314
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:23,199
I've built it up for like ninety seconds. This referee

1315
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,519
is an advertisement for the abolition of the very sport

1316
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,039
in which he's participating, or something to that effect, and

1317
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:31,840
I come close.

1318
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: He got does solid, but he said it's an He said,

1319
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,800
does this referee not realize he is constructing an advertisement

1320
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,760
for the abolition of the very sport in which he partakes.

1321
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,159
Speaker 2: Or which is totally co sell because that's like a

1322
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,960
multi syllavic phrase for all time where we would probably say,

1323
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:52,320
do you do you realize?

1324
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: You joke? Referee? This fight should have been stopped. That's

1325
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,559
what Cosell was saying.

1326
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 3: Yes, he was saying that the referee, by allowing the

1327
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,519
fight to continue, is showing the powers that be why

1328
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:08,480
boxing should be abolished, and Cosel was so disgusted by

1329
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,719
how that went down, and he said many other things

1330
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,000
as the fight war to the end that he quit.

1331
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,559
He didn't quit ABC. He still continued to do other events.

1332
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:19,880
He still did Monday night football and other things. But

1333
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,800
he stopped doing boxing after, you know, a long run

1334
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,199
of doing the biggest profile fights in the world. And

1335
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,800
that was the end of the story at Coasel walked

1336
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,559
away from boxing so disgusted. And there's a PostScript that's

1337
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:37,000
very funny that you know, Holmes and Cosl always had

1338
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,920
like their love hate, you know, a frenemy type relationship,

1339
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,559
because Cosell did a bunch of Larry's fights, and I

1340
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:46,000
guess at one point Holmes was told that what he

1341
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:48,280
did the text cop that was the reason that Cosell

1342
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,400
had quit doing boxing matches. And Larry's response to to

1343
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,079
the comment was something the defect that if I eliminate

1344
01:00:56,199 --> 01:01:00,480
heart disease, if I walk on water, if I can

1345
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:04,679
cure crippled children like I can't imagine a greater gift

1346
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:07,559
to mankind. And he called getting rid of Kosel his

1347
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:08,599
greatest accomplishment.

1348
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:11,159
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's tremendous on the back and forth

1349
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,639
with that. I just remember, and people have to appreciate,

1350
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:17,199
go back and just watch Cosell because he was so animated.

1351
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:20,239
We know the famous down goes Fraser, Down goes Fraser

1352
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,079
with George Foreman knocking him down. But he would have

1353
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:27,079
back and forth with Muhammad Ali off the fights when

1354
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:29,039
they were in the studio together or they were doing

1355
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,559
different things together. That is just tremendous. He was a

1356
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,320
larger than life boxing personality. And here he was on

1357
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,079
network TV blasting the sport and blasting the referee for

1358
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:43,039
allowing this to go on. And I do remember watching that,

1359
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,679
and I remember all the controversy in and around that,

1360
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,639
and people just have to appreciate how much more mainstream

1361
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,000
boxing was network TV when there were fewer choices. Cable

1362
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:56,400
was like almost brand new at that point, cable TV

1363
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,360
in the early eighties.

1364
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 3: This was millions of tens of millions of people watching that.

1365
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:04,639
Speaker 2: Correct, And when he essentially walked off the sport of boxing,

1366
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,440
Cosel because they it was a huge deal in and

1367
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,360
around that, and that was forty two years ago. Now

1368
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:18,199
for Holmes and Randall Tech's cob how about that great

1369
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:21,119
stuff on that in and around that time. All right, now,

1370
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:25,880
let's fast forward now to two thousand and four. Let's

1371
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,280
come forward twenty two years on Wednesday of this Thanksgiving week,

1372
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,599
November twenty seventh, two thousand and four. You mentioned earlier

1373
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:39,719
Marco Antonio Barrera and Eric Morales, and Barrera ends up

1374
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,960
beating Morales in the third fight, the trilogy fight you

1375
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:47,559
were there for this, tell me more about the trilogy

1376
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:49,519
about that is now twenty years on.

1377
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 3: So Barrera and Morales's legacy is glittering on both of

1378
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,760
their careers. They're both Hall of famers. They both thought

1379
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,320
tons of top guys were in some great, great fights, legit,

1380
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,679
all time great fights. You know, you can go down

1381
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:07,719
the line, whether it's Barrera's victory over Prince Nassim or

1382
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,639
his incredible fight against Kennedy McKinney, and plenty of other fights.

1383
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,199
And with Morales you can look at the at least

1384
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:17,079
in terms of the excitement and the action and the

1385
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:19,480
competitiveness of the first two fights he had with Pacyow

1386
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:23,119
scoring the victory against the Prime Pacou in the first fight,

1387
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,519
and you know other fights that he had as well,

1388
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,000
but they will always be tied to the three fights

1389
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,679
I had with each other. That's what they're most known for, rightfully.

1390
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:34,000
So first fight in two thousand, which took place about

1391
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,360
a month before I started my job. I had already

1392
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,840
been hired to be the boxing reporter at USA today,

1393
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:43,639
and I just remember sitting in my apartment floor, you know, thinking, boy,

1394
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:45,679
if I had just started, like a month or two earlier,

1395
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:48,559
i'd be at this fight. They put on the most

1396
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:50,360
you know, one of the greatest fights in the history

1397
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,039
of boxing in their first fight in February of two

1398
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:56,400
thousand in a junior featherweight title unification fight. And actually,

1399
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,760
this is an interesting factoid, by the way, about their trilogy.

1400
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,679
If ought three times each in a successfully higher weight

1401
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:03,360
class for a world title. So the first fight was

1402
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,239
to unify junior featherweight titles, second fight was a featherweight

1403
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,719
title fight. This third fight we're talking about was for

1404
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,440
Eric Morales' WBC one hundred and thirty pound title. Was

1405
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,920
the second title defense. So the first fight's legendary. Second

1406
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,719
fight really good, but maybe not on the same level.

1407
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,400
Like we've talked about before, there's always one of those

1408
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,480
fights that may not be up to the same level

1409
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:24,000
as the other ones. The second fight for these guys

1410
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:26,599
was that although still a very good fight, and it

1411
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:29,760
was the Barrera getting the victory to even the score

1412
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,679
make it one one. So again, a couple of years

1413
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:34,280
after that, they go and they do the third fight.

1414
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:38,639
Thanksgetting weekend, they put on an absolute classic. Now it

1415
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:41,280
doesn't get the respect of the first fight DJ and

1416
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,719
I don't really understand why, because it is every bit

1417
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,239
as good in my opinion. It was picked as the

1418
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,760
two thousand and four BWAA, the Boxing Writers Association of

1419
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,639
America Fight of the Year. It was picked as the

1420
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:54,719
Ring Magazine Fight of the Year. Obviously I was still

1421
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,239
working at this point. I am. I can't remember now

1422
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,119
if I'm that es pan or USA. That's like that

1423
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:03,760
gray area. But regardless wherever I was, I picked it

1424
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,280
as the fight of the year. It was basically the

1425
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,360
consensus fight of the year. I mean, everybody that was

1426
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,760
doing list had it as the fight of the year.

1427
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:14,280
The eleventh round the consensus round of the year. Yes,

1428
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,960
just an amazing fight. I mean it was like they

1429
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:20,840
had already done twenty four great rounds and this was

1430
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,559
rounds twenty five to thirty six. I mean, just a tremendous,

1431
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,639
tremendous fight. One of the crazy memories I have of

1432
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:29,280
this by the way of being there wasn't so much

1433
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,400
on fight night, is that because there was Thanksgiving, and

1434
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,679
typically I didn't travel for thanks saving fights, even there

1435
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:36,280
often seemed to be a fight on thanks I mean,

1436
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,760
that was like the one holiday that we were into

1437
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,320
when we celebrated, and I didn't go to the fights,

1438
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,960
but for this one couldn't miss the trilogy. So a

1439
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,159
couple of nights before the fight, Top Rank was the

1440
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,800
promoter of the event, they had like a dinner for

1441
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,119
the promotion, like the media and some of the HBO

1442
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:51,320
executives in their company, and everybody got together at the

1443
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,840
Wolfgang Punk, which is still there at the MGM, where

1444
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,079
every time I go to a fight, me and the

1445
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:57,440
fellows get together and we usually you know, have lunch

1446
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,400
and dinner there at least once, sometimes twice, and on

1447
01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:04,079
like uh, I think it might have been on Thanksgiving

1448
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,880
they had this thing at the at the Wolfgang Puck

1449
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,639
and there was a bunch of us there at this dinner.

1450
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:12,400
And my recollection is that Wolfgang Puck himself, the chef,

1451
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:15,480
the famous chef who was friendly with Aaron was there

1452
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:18,119
at the restaurant that night and came out and he

1453
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:20,079
and their staff and I didn't know this, they sang

1454
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:23,239
us Thanksgiving songs. It was one of the craziest things.

1455
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:25,159
I it was just weird.

1456
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:27,159
Speaker 1: I don't like that memory.

1457
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:29,039
Speaker 3: And then a couple of nights later we saw one

1458
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,400
of the most incredible fights you could ever wish for.

1459
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:32,559
Speaker 1: And emphasize this.

1460
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 2: They hated each other, and that and that and that

1461
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:39,039
really added to this trilogy fight.

1462
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,639
Speaker 3: They get along okay now, and they've done events together,

1463
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:46,000
such as promoting helping promote the fight between Oscar Valdez

1464
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:48,480
and the Verette, the first one, and uh, and they're

1465
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:50,000
chilled together. I don't know if they're going to be

1466
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,599
best friends, but they've dined together.

1467
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's I like to say with you and me.

1468
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: They won't go after each other with the plastic silver

1469
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,400
where at least ya And they're around each other right now.

1470
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: Good. But during the course of the trilogy, it was

1471
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:04,280
venomous hatred, like blood feud. And you know the thing was,

1472
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,400
you know, they were both Mexican, but they came from

1473
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,159
vastly different backgrounds that conflicted with each other. Barrera was

1474
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:12,960
from an upper class, wealthier family. He was college uh,

1475
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,719
I think he had gone he had gone to some

1476
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,159
college or I certainly graduated high school. His you know,

1477
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:19,360
his father and his mother were professionals. I think his

1478
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,159
dad was a lawyer. They lived in the upper crust

1479
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:26,039
uh section of Mexico City. And uh then you had

1480
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,719
the Morales side, and he was from a poor family.

1481
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,360
They grew up, you know, in h in a rough

1482
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,400
neighborhood barrio of Tijuana, born above a gym basically where

1483
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,039
the father had the gym. Uh and you know, was

1484
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:41,000
considered what they called him in Mexico. He was an

1485
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:42,119
quote unquote Indian.

1486
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 4: Uh.

1487
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: You know that was like a negative to assault.

1488
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1489
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: His his uh, his background of the Mexican people because obviously,

1490
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,920
like any country, they have different levels of different kinds

1491
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,840
of culture. So there was a real class distinction between them.

1492
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,800
And that's one of the things that spilled over in

1493
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,920
their feud. You know, even though you know, I had

1494
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,800
to learn that by talking to some of the Mexican

1495
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,760
reporters and publicists and stuff that worked to fight because

1496
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,760
as a as a as a gringo, I didn't really

1497
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,440
quite get it, but I came to understand that having

1498
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:12,039
covered at least a second and third fight, and so yeah,

1499
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,039
they went into that third fight where it was very,

1500
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:17,159
very rough in terms of their getting along. They came

1501
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:18,880
to blows at one of the press conferences. I don't

1502
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,920
know if it was for the third fight of the

1503
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,399
second fight, it was. It was a rough go. The

1504
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,640
thing that was interesting though, is the fights were so intense,

1505
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:28,359
but they didn't go right back into immediate rematches. First

1506
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,960
fight two thousand, both guys cleaned themselves up and had

1507
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,359
other fights, had the second fight in two thousand and two,

1508
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,199
then they both had their run up other fights after that,

1509
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,319
and then finally they reconvened for the third fight in

1510
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,560
two thousand and four. But you know, Morales, he had

1511
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,920
unified titles in the one thirty division, ultimately again IBF

1512
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,560
doing IBF things. He ended up I don't know, vacating

1513
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,640
or being shripped of the IBF title, probably for a

1514
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,640
mandatory situation when he fought Brere and then this is

1515
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,920
the thing about it, he loses Morales. He loses the

1516
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,800
fight to Brera in this fantastic fight. By the way,

1517
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,479
majority decision I certainly could have gone the way I

1518
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,039
have the very lasting image in my mind when they

1519
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,880
announced the final scores of Barrera parading around the ring

1520
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,640
holding up three fingers like or holding up two fingers

1521
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,840
like I got you twice, like it's now two to one.

1522
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,079
Like he was basically you know, harassing or or getting

1523
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,199
in Morales's face and kind of taunting him like, hey,

1524
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:19,720
I got to win. I got the two fights. He

1525
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,199
got to one. But the thing is the way that

1526
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,159
what is Morales do? He didn't cry about it so

1527
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:26,760
much in terms of like what he did in his

1528
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,439
next move. He didn't sit around and take off ten

1529
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,199
months or a year or sixteen months. This pint was October,

1530
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,279
I mean, I'm sorry, November of two thousand and four.

1531
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,800
He's back in the ring in March of five scores

1532
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,840
one of the great wins of the era where he

1533
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:44,479
legit beats on a decision and another fantastic fight Manny Pack, Yeah,

1534
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,319
straight up beats him. And Barrera of course went on

1535
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,199
and had you know a bunch of other big fights also.

1536
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,520
I mean, so they survived their trilogy of these very violent,

1537
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,640
very rough fights to go on and still register big

1538
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,039
time glory beyond that, and it was you know, a

1539
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:00,720
lot of times. These guys are kind of done after

1540
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,560
those types of intense fights. So after he after he lost,

1541
01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:07,239
you know, like I said, Morales picks himself up and

1542
01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:10,760
he goes there and he gets the humongous win against

1543
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,840
Manny and after Barrera beats him, he goes on and

1544
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,159
he ends up unifying titles. He has the two fights

1545
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:20,119
that were popular fights against Rocky Warres. Ultimately he lost

1546
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:22,560
him on Manuel Marquezen to many packet on the rematch.

1547
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,680
But you know, both those guys went on and had

1548
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,399
other big time fights after that. I mean, it was

1549
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:27,960
a testament to their greatness big time.

1550
01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: And again we look forward to seeing are they going

1551
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,840
to be around? They probably will. We'll see the Valdez

1552
01:10:35,319 --> 01:10:38,920
Navorate fighting. That ties us back to you talking to

1553
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,640
e Manuel Navorate and now that will be fight week

1554
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:46,159
next week for those guys. Again it is Sonny Edwards

1555
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:50,720
and Galia Phi and the one prominent main event that

1556
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,479
is coming up here on Saturday afternoon US time. We'll

1557
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,199
handicap it on the bet US Boxing Show Friday at

1558
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:02,479
one Eastern time. Excellent stuff here for the Thanksgiving holiday.

1559
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,399
We gave you plenty to preview going into the weekend?

1560
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,439
Anything else? Are we all good? Are we ready to

1561
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,920
go for this weekend? Not too many weekends left in

1562
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:11,960
twenty twenty four.

1563
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:14,319
Speaker 3: That's all right, We'll have plenty in twenty twenty five.

1564
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:16,800
Oh yeah, see you on the US show on Friday.

1565
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: We look forward to a Dan Rayfield. Thank you for

1566
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,000
everybody out there again. Follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify.

1567
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: We preview going into the weekend. We recap coming off

1568
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,000
the weekend for Dan Rayfield.

1569
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Reeve.

1570
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us as part of your

1571
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:32,960
Thanksgiving weekend.

1572
01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:34,520
Speaker 1: Here on the Big Fight Weekend Preview