WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:09.000 It's it's funny, and I mean, I guess this goes 2 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:13.039 back into like old w or wrestling soup lore that 3 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:16.480 you know, we talked about when certain people leave and 4 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:21.320 certain people die, will there be shoot interviews about them? 5 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.480 And I mean, Hull Cogan is now gone, and we 6 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:28.480 still haven't really gotten much different than what we had before. 7 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.199 Like I mean, the people that were coming out before 8 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.119 when you're still alive are the same ones that coming 9 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:37.640 out now. But Vince McMahon is an interesting one because 10 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.840 it's really feeling like that this uh, this dark side 11 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:45.399 of the ring about Jeff Jarrett and TNA is really 12 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:50.759 the pimple popping because everybody, everybody is taking shots, like 13 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:53.600 you know, people that you don't expect, like a Karen 14 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.159 Jarrett and then other people like a Matt Hardy. And 15 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:01.439 I'm like, oh wow, that's that's interesting. Like all these 16 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:03.840 people are coming forward and you gotta figure this is 17 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.280 a controlled environment, right, And I know Tony CON's on 18 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.519 the show and stuff too, but this is a controlled environment. 19 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:15.519 But I think allowing this out here is you're you're 20 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.120 watching the pimple burst and then there's gonna be another 21 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:26.000 big squeeze of just shit stories coming about about Vince McMahon. 22 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:29.719 I mean, great colle came forward, A fucking fucking great 23 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:34.239 collee came forward to bury Vince McMahon for fuck's sakes. 24 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:35.000 This week. 25 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:42.599 He he made me comedy character because it was too 26 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:48.480 depressing to realize. I flapjack people to death, like the 27 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:49.480 funk out of here. 28 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.120 Do you know what I think it is is Vince 29 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:57.719 now at this point is the wrestling business's ex boyfriend. 30 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:02.920 And everybody's going to feel comfortable now that they've been 31 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:06.400 removed enough from the situation, do you know what I mean? Like, 32 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.599 it's like if you live in a small town or 33 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:13.159 you don't go go to the same school or area 34 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.919 or whatever. It's like you might break up with somebody 35 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.199 and then you don't want to talk shit about them 36 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:21.439 because you never know who's around, right, whether it gets 37 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.879 back to you or you know, it's just somebody's family member. 38 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.360 You know, that's just how people will act. You know, 39 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:31.520 they'll hold their tongues. But in the case events now, 40 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:34.919 it's like everybody's sitting at the table and they're all saying, 41 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.719 all right, everybody, say what you're thinking on three one two, 42 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.120 three vinces a piece. Of shit. Oh good, Okay, we 43 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:41.319 can all show VNSUS. 44 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:43.199 A piece of that, right, you know do an even 45 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.439 big Show got his shots in today and it was 46 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:49.400 today or yesterday because he just signed a new contract, 47 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.439 right and my headline now because I'm ready on no DQ, 48 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:58.199 the headline is signing a new deal with AW. It 49 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:03.360 helps when your boss likes you. You Oh, like, dude, 50 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:08.039 Vince kept you around for so fucking long, you were 51 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:11.719 way past any use for years. You didn't get the 52 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.879 hints that your career was in a downward spiral when 53 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.800 you had you had you dress up like fucking baby 54 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.800 Huey and fight us some ASUMO in the middle of 55 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.639 wrestle Mania. 56 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.120 Well you have to think to yourself, like, even with 57 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:33.120 Vince's mindset and just the general wrestling mindset of everybody 58 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.400 that was a promoter, which they got a little bit 59 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:39.159 into talking about Jerry Jared on that. 60 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.840 Episode Surprise, because they they really made it sound like 61 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.439 this was like TNA is Jeff Jared's vision and baby 62 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:47.680 Jeff Jared's the creator of TNN. 63 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:50.159 I'm like, well, well, there's just I think they're using 64 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.159 the dad almost there's like a sympathy piece for Jeff. 65 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:56.759 But I'm like, but Jeff was a piece of shit, Like, like, 66 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.840 let's not forget that, Like, yes, Jeff was an alcohol 67 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.919 and a lot of that could be you know, traced 68 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.560 back to that. And I'm sure like they're like, Jerry 69 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.439 Jarrett wasn't a perfect person by the means, and you're like, yes, 70 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.039 but you have to always remember when you're talking about 71 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:14.639 that kind of dynamic where it's like one person is 72 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:18.519 a fucking addict and the other person's like a seventy 73 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:19.680 five year old man. 74 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.360 See, I never think I never saw it even like that, right, 75 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.920 Like I think that they kind of uh ret conned 76 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.160 why TNA existed in the first place. It was because 77 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.759 the NWA was out of money. Yeah, well that too. 78 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.360 I mean, let's be honest. The whole reason that NWA 79 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:41.160 TNA existed, it was an NWA property. It wasn't some 80 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.800 grand vision of Jerry Jarrett or Jeff Jarrett. It was 81 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.480 an extension of them trying to because at the time, 82 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:53.680 how many different NWA faction promotions do they have, like twenty. 83 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.000 Why I can only distinctly remember Wildside by that point, 84 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.360 but that's because it was the because that was aj 85 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.959 Styles show right, you know what I mean. Like, that's 86 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.439 why everybody that was an indie person in the early 87 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.399 two thousands, late nineties remembers that. But like I guess 88 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.800 getting back to like the thing with Vance, like when 89 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.680 Big Show's sitting there going, oh, well, you know, I 90 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:18.680 guess you did. You know they didn't like me or 91 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:22.879 whatever the fuck? You weren't supposed to be a giant 92 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:27.680 in one territory for twenty years. That's how these people 93 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:28.399 thought about it. 94 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:30.720 Let me read off what he says, right, so I'm 95 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.879 looking at what he actually said. He says, let's thank 96 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.720 Tony Khan because Tony Khan still sees something in me. 97 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.920 So I'm grateful for that. It helps when your boss 98 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:47.240 likes you. It kind of helps when he's one of 99 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:52.319 those bosses that understands what you've been through, how uh 100 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:57.399 and understands your your vision, the Big Show's vision. Oh okay. 101 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.879 He's like, yeah, we're gonna make this happen. I want 102 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.480 to see this happen too. So you're like, yeah, that's 103 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:08.120 good because you know, hey, this is a tough business. 104 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.439 But I'm very grateful. I'm very happy, and that's why 105 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:16.399 I'm here to kick butt. Oh look in a world, 106 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.199 didn't we just get done talking on Tuesday about there 107 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.519 are no more WWE lifers. No, it's done yet, Big 108 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:28.639 shows somehow found away found the algorithm to become a 109 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:29.720 wrestling lifer. 110 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.000 Well, this is what's funny to me too in this situation, 111 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:39.079 is is what's what's her name too? You mentioned Karen 112 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:40.120 Jarrett earlier. 113 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.959 Yeah, yeah, she's on the dark side or whatever, right, right, right, Yeah. 114 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.560 She's also like Tony Kahn is a great person too. 115 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.399 People are mean to him online. It's like, all right, 116 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:54.600 we get it. Vince was a shit bag. Vince ran 117 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:59.959 things like a fucking nasty, mean, fucked up businessman. Obviously 118 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.199 we know this to be true. But Tony Kahan, it's like, yeah, 119 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.480 you give them the infinite money glitch and then just 120 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.279 make them like a dorky guy. Yeah, of course, you've 121 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:12.319 gotta be a great boss to everybody. 122 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:13.079 You know. 123 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:18.160 It is if you gave whatever your special interest was, right, 124 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:23.319 if you were a music guy or you know, wrestling obviously, 125 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.120 but you know so you oh, you have a record label, 126 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.319 you're signing a record label, and you have two bajillion 127 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.920 fucking dollars. Well, I can just let every band that 128 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.439 I've ever liked to make a record and whatever they 129 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.879 need to pay to make that album great? And what 130 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.920 do you want that? And four different colors? You want 131 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.360 that vinyls sounds good? You want to tour Asia great? 132 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:47.959 And you can just bottomlessly, endlessly fund your special interests. 133 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.120 Then I'm sure everybody when the day comes that, they 134 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.040 got to ask, Hey, what do you think about the 135 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:54.439 guy that owns your record label? 136 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:54.680 Oh? 137 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:56.240 He's the fucking best. 138 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:57.879 Right, he's awesome? 139 00:07:57.920 --> 00:07:59.079 We all love him. 140 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:00.680 Yeah, well, duh. 141 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.519 You know, like he keeps making he keeps letting us 142 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.879 make albums, and they sell, you know, they go fucking 143 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.120 triple aluminum and sell fourteen hundred copies and we spend 144 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:14.560 two hundred thousand dollars making it. But he's the best, 145 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.839 He's the best, He's the greatest. And it's like, well, yeah, man, 146 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.720 it's that is part of the game here too. And 147 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.199 you know that to some extent, it's because you're talking 148 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.040 to people like Big Show and Karen Jarrett and all 149 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:32.639 these other people. They're into their fifties, so they've lived 150 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.120 and they more than likely just want exactly what they're 151 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:40.080 getting here. They want peace of mind, they want someone 152 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:42.720 to be nice to them and they don't want to 153 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.960 be asked to do too much, which is fine. Which 154 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.799 is fine because to me, in my mind, I'm going 155 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.679 if you had a regular job and any capacity, whatever 156 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:57.200 it might be, firefighter, cop, you know, whatever your job is, 157 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.600 they probably should look at you at fifty, he's three 158 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.039 years old and say, we're not going to ask you 159 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:05.279 to do the same level as shit as we're going 160 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:08.080 to ask the twenty five year old to do because 161 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:11.759 you might not be able to physically or mentally handle 162 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.679 that cognitive load. But also at the same exact time, 163 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.559 don't ignore the fact where it's like, yes, Vince was 164 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.960 an asshole, Yes Vince was a piece of shit, but 165 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.639 Vince was running a real business. And nobody wants to 166 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:27.799 put up with the people that are running real businesses 167 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:33.200 because they're it's miserable. It's miserable. The people that you 168 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.360 meet that own whatever it might be. They own their 169 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.519 own little store, they own their own restaurant, or whatever 170 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.360 it might be, it's hard fucking work. One of my 171 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.320 friends that has owned the food truck forever that I've 172 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.440 known for twenty years, he's like, oh, yeah, I'm gona 173 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.240 want to doing this, and he's doing all these events. 174 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:56.000 If you talk to him for like more than five minutes, 175 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.000 he's like, man, I can't wait to get out of 176 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.519 this shit because it's fucking stressful and it beats the 177 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.840 shit out of you. And yeah, I'm sure that's what 178 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.600 it was like working for Vince. What's it like working 179 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.399 for Tony Khant? Show up when you want checks in 180 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.200 the fucking you know that Zell's hit in every six days. Yeah, no, 181 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.840 wonder you think he's the man. But there you are, 182 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.679 there you are if you're fucking the Big Show in 183 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:23.840 twenty twenty six, I too would also say what a 184 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.759 great boss, what a great guy. 185 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.559 Yeah, No, I get that. It's just the absurdity of 186 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.200 people taking what he says seriously, right, Oh yeah, So, 187 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:40.000 I mean you have different levels of wrestling fandom, you 188 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.080 have different levels of the media and people that are 189 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.519 watching what what fucking Big Show says in twenty twenty six, 190 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:47.960 And the fact that he can even get quoted for 191 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.600 something like this as not being an absurdist joke is 192 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.960 just wild. The fact that he's still getting signed, the 193 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.840 fact that he's still getting signed, what has he done? 194 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:03.679 What has Big Show done? In ten years and what. 195 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.799 Can he contribute to, especially a show like a w Ye. 196 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.799 People on the fucking thing. You know, it'd be one 197 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.159 thing if everybody on the show is like six six 198 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:15.799 and up, I'd be like, oh, well, you know what, 199 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.480 as a bigger guy, maybe he knows like other things, 200 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.440 like if he's not contributing creatively, maybe maybe Big Show 201 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:23.600 is helping them, you know, just be able to find 202 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:26.480 cheap clothes. I don't fucking know, but what is Big 203 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.000 Show doing for people that are literally the size of 204 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.159 his knee? Like that's just. 205 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.000 Well, that's that's the sports thing, right with the veterans 206 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.720 where you know, both you and I during the beginning 207 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.799 of the NFL LAFT season, we're going, oh, hey, Kirk 208 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.279 Cousins got signed to go to Vegas and help out 209 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:51.639 that for Fernando Mendoza kid, Like yeah, they're both like churchy, 210 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:58.320 dork Flanders guys perfect perfect, you know, like just the same, 211 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.399 like a similar amount of athletics, raised kind of similar, 212 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.679 have the same interest. So cool, there's somebody that you 213 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.679 know I can I can tag you up with and 214 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.360 they can help you out. Who's helping Who's Big Show 215 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:12.279 helping out? 216 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:15.799 So so Derek's threw it up in there. He's like, 217 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.000 you know, a big show really put over Hobbs when 218 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:23.320 he was there. You know, that's funny because Hobbes is 219 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:27.120 saying that his time in WWE has exceeded all of 220 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:34.320 his expectations. He is he is happier in WWE doing nothing, 221 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:40.279 doing nothing than he was in AW He said, Uh, 222 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.399 it's exceeded my expectations. It's been wild. From the moment 223 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.039 that I put on put pen to paper and knew 224 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.000 I was coming here, to everything that's happened since, it's 225 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:53.039 just been incredible. There are moments right before my music 226 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.759 hits that I'm about to walk out where everything feels 227 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.840 like it's in slow motion. I'm it honestly feels like 228 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.399 I'm living in a dream that I don't want to 229 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.919 wake up from. Everything has been really great, really great. 230 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.519 I've been put in some great positions and I've knocked 231 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:12.679 it out of the park. That's exactly what I plan 232 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:18.759 to continue doing. Yeah. Yeah, And you know what, though, 233 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:25.320 from what I've heard from random people, he's very well liked. 234 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.799 He's very very well liked there from what I've gathered. 235 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:32.840 So I'm sure that you know he shows up and hey, listen, man, 236 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.240 nothing will take this thing out and not being booked 237 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.039 and not being featured like everybody making you feel like, hey, 238 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:42.519 we're glad to have you here, and we're not going 239 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.679 to just fucking kick you out the door next week. 240 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:46.440 They just don't know what the fuck they're gonna do 241 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.399 with him, TKO. If they're running everything creatively, they have 242 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:51.799 no idea who he is because they didn't pay attention 243 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:55.279 to aw So even focusing on a guy like Hobbs 244 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.440 or Starks or any of these new guys is is 245 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:01.720 almost fascinating work because they have to be convinced by 246 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.679 guys like Triple H, by that creative team, that booking committee, 247 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:09.240 that that's the right idea. Because even though to us 248 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:12.159 Hobbs is a great wrestler, looks like a looks like 249 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.759 a fucking Hollywood star, he looks like a bruiser in 250 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.960 some Hollywood movie, you know, Like he's not he's not Denzel, 251 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.240 He's Denzel's friend's friend. 252 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.960 Yeah, well that's that's it. 253 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:26.200 Man. 254 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.360 Is Like, there's only so many spots to go around. 255 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.519 And it goes back to what I was saying, you know, 256 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.759 a month ago or so. For everybody to continues to 257 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.279 suck on seth Rowlins's ass. You can't then turn around 258 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.480 and go, well, where's the push for the wrestler that 259 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:43.559 I like? It's like, well, that's where it is. It's 260 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:49.919 with him. So that's what the main event of SummerSlam 261 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:53.679 for night too, meaning like this is the big it's's 262 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.480 supposed to be Night two, right, the big, big fucking 263 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:02.679 it is Roman Reigns and seth rawlins in twenty twenty six. Yeah, 264 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.559 So if people are confused as to why, like, man, 265 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:10.080 why my favorite wrestler the jumped ship if you want 266 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.200 to even call it that, from aw, they're not being featured, 267 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.279 they're not being presented in any sort of way. Well, 268 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.440 because we're still doing the same shit that we did 269 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:23.679 six years ago, and going back to Vince having the 270 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:27.840 fucking giant Paul White under contract for fifteen goddamn years. 271 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:32.720 That's not how wrestling was booked forever and ever. That's 272 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:35.840 not how people knew how to set shit up. You 273 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.600 weren't supposed to be on top for a decade. You 274 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:42.639 weren't supposed to be standing in the ring across. 275 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.679 From Yeah, well I will say no, no, no, but. 276 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.919 I'm saying, like with a romance ath all these people, 277 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.919 like that's not what's supposed to happen. That Big Show 278 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:52.759 wasn't either, but like that's what I'm saying. 279 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.799 But they can always do weird things with Big Show, right, 280 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.000 So they would make him a fucking comedy character for 281 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.159 two three years and then all of a sudd and 282 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.120 somebody would get a bug up their ass and then 283 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:05.480 make him angry Paul White angry Big Show. And then 284 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.440 he'd go out there and he'd accidentally touch like aj 285 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:10.440 Lee and then start weeping all over the place, like 286 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:17.799 it's just he's not a good person to judge how 287 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:20.039 this is supposed to run. And the fact that he's 288 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:25.159 still out there in some capacity eating up money from 289 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:28.600 a promoter that has that that supposedly is the future 290 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.080 of wrestling, I don't understand it. 291 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.120 You know how funny it is to me that I 292 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:37.639 actually saw people like this on the seamous video we 293 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.519 put out, or just randomly I've seen people talking about 294 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.840 him and you know, well, going to aw why he 295 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:46.480 wouldn't go blah blah blah. 296 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:48.559 They hired back. 297 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:55.360 The Big Show, right, they re signed Big Show. 298 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.919 Yep, he's worth it. So he's worth it, I mean, 299 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:01.759 and I get it. 300 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:06.720 It's like it's odd because I remember distinctly saying Seamus 301 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.599 is not John Cena. He's not even fucking cm punk 302 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:13.359 in terms of people see that. 303 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.519 Jackson is right too, He's like they re signed Andrada. 304 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.880 Yeah yeah, Oh. I mean then there's a guy who 305 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.480 literally pissed in your closet before he walked out, and 306 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:22.759 you still hired him back. 307 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.240 And I legitimately like Indrade and I always thought they 308 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.079 could do more for him and by day, I mean 309 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.960 just wherever he might have been awwwe, But yeah, this 310 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:40.160 is the point of where he w is. Beggars can't 311 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:44.440 be choosy, and I know everything that happened last night. 312 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.359 I didn't watch the match. I was telling myself, I 313 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.119 should have done it today, but I didn't. Where now 314 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:54.000 they took the belt off of MJF again and put 315 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:57.000 it on fucking Kenny Omega so they can go to 316 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:57.799 England and. 317 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:01.960 Have future wind. 318 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.920 And it's just gonna go to will Osprey, who is like, 319 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:09.519 is Osprey even where he was or what he was? 320 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.799 Has Osprey ever actually been actually you know, has he 321 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.839 ever realized what he's supposed to. 322 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.759 Be well, I'm in the wrestling world. I'm sure those 323 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.000 ten thousand people that show I'm sorry those ten people 324 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.799 that show up, well, really appreciate will Osprey winning the 325 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:27.480 title in their in their home. 326 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:32.400 Which which that's it is. For whatever, it's worse for 327 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:35.319 them to say. Listen, we've been writing down on a 328 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:38.720 piece of paper for two three years that will Osprey 329 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:42.480 is going to face off against Kenny Omega and the 330 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:47.480 fucking you know he's going to do that at Wembley. Now, 331 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.000 you're just doing the same shit that people get mad 332 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.319 at ww for, where it's like you just you're married 333 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.680 to this idea, this match, this thing that has to happen. 334 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.200 There's no way around it, and it's got to be 335 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.440 for the belt, and he's got to win the title 336 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:04.119 and he's got it. It's like everything else be damned. 337 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.319 Well. That's the thing too, is there's such brand loyalists 338 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.480 that they can't see through the fucking bullshit shoe. Look, 339 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:11.759 that was one of the things too, and I saw 340 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:13.720 a couple articles talking about that. Going back to the 341 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:18.039 shamous thing that you brought up was basically criticizing us, 342 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:21.160 saying you guys would do no different. You had nothing 343 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:25.000 to do with a guy like Seamus, and it's it's 344 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:28.480 kind of like I disagreed with that sentiment that we 345 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:30.400 couldn't have figured out something to do with Shamus. I 346 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.000 think Shamus had enough overhead that, you know, I think 347 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.160 anybody with half a brain could have seen this guy 348 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.480 and figured out something to do for his exit, something anything, 349 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.079 like I understand, right, Like how could you keep Shamus relevant? 350 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:45.559 Like that was one of the things too. If they 351 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.480 had Seamus go up against Cody and this was obviously 352 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:51.599 when Cody was still the champion, I had Shamus win 353 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.799 the belt, would anybody have given a shit? Well, I mean, 354 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.680 with the current way that WWE books everything, does anybody 355 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.880 give a shit about anything? You know what I mean? 356 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:05.119 Like if you give somebody halfway competent an idea and 357 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:07.960 figure out, hey, look, Cody and Seamus, that could be 358 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.000 some hard hitting matches. Like I mean, everybody goes back 359 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.640 and they referenced Joe. They always reference Drew McIntyre and Seamus. 360 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.920 Why do they do that? Because it was probably some 361 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.200 of the most exciting fucking matches of Shamus and Drew's 362 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:22.039 career at that point. 363 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.119 Yeah, and it happened once again in front of fucking nobody. 364 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:28.079 Right, Yeah, well that helped too, is that there was 365 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:30.240 nothing else to do other than watch Shamus and Drew 366 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.119 murder each other out there every week. And I was like, 367 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.079 but that's why people bring it up. They don't bring 368 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.440 it up because like all of a sudden, people just discovered, hey, 369 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:40.519 Seamous is a star. No, Seamus went out there and tried. 370 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.720 He had an idea. They both utilized it and went 371 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:45.920 out there and did something and nobody expected, which was 372 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:50.559 had brutal, fucking matches that exceeded any expectations that we'd 373 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.200 normally see on a fucking raw. So the idea that oh, 374 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.759 well it's twenty twenty six, you know, there's nothing to 375 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.599 do with Shamus anymore. Bullshit. That's short. That's small mind thinking. 376 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:04.559 I think with And don't get me wrong again, I'm 377 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:08.119 not putting this into the the responsible arms of TKO. 378 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.640 But they fucked I mean, they fucked up Gunther and 379 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.599 Sina right like they fucked up AJ Gunther and AJ 380 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.960 like they've they've they've really had a bad time with 381 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.759 this retirement bit. But I still think that there's room, 382 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.759 there's wiggle room with a guy who's at least charismatic 383 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.200 like Shamus, who's really come into himself in his final years. 384 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.079 Jesus Christ, Joe, do you wonder, and this is again 385 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.240 piggybacking off the shame of stuff? Do you worry about 386 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:40.039 what's gonna happen to Orton when he leaves his company? Oh? God, 387 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:41.079 I didn't. 388 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:47.079 I think that Randy Orton just threw his overall ba 389 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:51.680 or or his overall attitude that he puts out into 390 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:55.160 the world. He's gotta already come to peace with the 391 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.200 fact that whenever this shit ends, it's not gonna end. Well, 392 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:01.799 you know what I mean, Like, he's got to already 393 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:04.839 have dealt with the fact that, you know what, I 394 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.119 have been here for a quarter of a century. I've 395 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.960 given my entire adult life to this company, and I'm 396 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:14.759 probably gonna walk out with the equivalent of a sheet 397 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:20.400 cake and a handshake. And to some extent, I see 398 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:24.799 where the corporate mindset once again comes into it. Like 399 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:26.640 I said, she does she? 400 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:26.720 She? 401 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:29.839