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Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
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Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: How you doing today?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing this one so glad to have you here
Speaker 3: with us. Oh yeah, definitely. And uh the guest of
Speaker 3: the hour, the Yarl of the Gray Horn pagans staying,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Brother? It's good to have you here,
Speaker 3: and thank you, thank you for coming back hanging out
Speaker 3: with us here on Gray Pill. How you doing for sure?
Speaker 4: It's my pleasure. This is the third time coming up.
Speaker 4: Mistaken Yeah, yeah, no, thanks for having me back. Man.
Speaker 4: I'm always always happy to you know, to talk about
Speaker 4: the gods, talk about the mythologies and everything connected to it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, it's what I do.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's something that me and you have
Speaker 3: in common. Over the past couple of years, I've had
Speaker 3: eloheem at alogy focusing on the Sumerian pantheon. Sumerian it
Speaker 3: kind of like goes into the Assyrian, the Acadian, the Babylonian,
Speaker 3: all all that, but it all stems from the Sumerian.
Speaker 1: Then me and.
Speaker 3: Headless Giant have rustic gods, which focuses on the Greek pantheon,
Speaker 3: and yeah, we have gods of the morning Wood. More
Speaker 3: or less, we focus a lot on the on the
Speaker 3: Norse pantheon because we we do. We we read a
Speaker 3: lot of well we're starting right now to get into
Speaker 3: the Volsunga saga. We we spin a wheel and we
Speaker 3: let the wheel kind of guide us to to where
Speaker 3: we're going. But sometimes I force the hand, which I
Speaker 3: have done when uh, you know, when when I when
Speaker 3: I want to, because you know it is it is
Speaker 3: a Patreon show, guys, if you want to support the show,
Speaker 3: we are doing Gods of the Morning would tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3: So it didn't happen this morning because we have this
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Speaker 3: over to patreon dot com slash Grateful podcast. But Stein
Speaker 3: for for people who don't know who you are or
Speaker 3: haven't caught our past episodes, Uh, tell people a little
Speaker 3: bit about yourself and what you do talk about.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I go by Stein Fox on the Internet.
Speaker 4: I am the host of the Ground Pagans podcast. You
Speaker 4: are of the tribe of the ground Pagans. We really
Speaker 4: focus ourselves on the Northern European pantheon, the Northern European gods,
Speaker 4: the you know, the Norse gods, Germanic, a little bit
Speaker 4: of Irish and Anglo Saxon in there as well. And
Speaker 4: I really take that from from every aspect, every angle
Speaker 4: that's I can, whether that be you know, a cult,
Speaker 4: esoteric history, history, just you know, trying to uncover the
Speaker 4: lost history of my people and really try to to
Speaker 4: reconstruct its best I can, while you know, try to
Speaker 4: answering what for me is the most important question is
Speaker 4: how to be a proper twenty first century pagan Because
Speaker 4: to know the old ways and all is you know,
Speaker 4: it's all fine and dandy, but we're no longer living
Speaker 4: in those times, So how do we adapt it to
Speaker 4: these times? And that's what I'm It's one of the
Speaker 4: things that I'm trying to figure out while you know,
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what this world actually is and
Speaker 4: how it actually you know, connects and all of that. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's what I what I do in a in
Speaker 4: a nutshell.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's awesome. Man, I'm just looking at you. I'd
Speaker 3: completely forgot you had a merched or do to have
Speaker 3: to get me somewhere?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I do, I do, Yes, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, people are given this one lens of
Speaker 3: kind of the story of the northern of of that,
Speaker 3: of that heritage right of of that certain mythology, and
Speaker 3: and you know, I think.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: Healthy, especially to look at it from an unbiased perspective,
Speaker 3: if not a perspective of someone who does you know,
Speaker 3: practice those traditions and and uh, you know, venerates these
Speaker 3: gods because you know, it's not everything that we're told
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 4: You know, no, definitely not. I mean, you'll have a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of shows, you know, a lot
Speaker 4: of movies, you know, the Marvel movies have kind of
Speaker 4: dipped into Norse mythology. You know, how they portrayed the
Speaker 4: gods is I mean visually, Yeah, it's really cool. It's
Speaker 4: it's highly inaccurate, but it's you know, it looks cool,
Speaker 4: and you know, I guess that's you know, what Marvel
Speaker 4: is about, just has to look cool. There it goes
Speaker 4: my phone.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 3: Sorry guys, dude, it's either phones or screaming kids, or
Speaker 3: usually if headless is on, there's a very loud car
Speaker 3: going by.
Speaker 2: A racetrack by his house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well there you go. It's always something. No,
Speaker 3: it's fine, it's fine. Uh.
Speaker 4: I knew that was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 4: M Yeah, Hollywood depictions. I mean, to be honest, my
Speaker 4: awakening to all of this was history Vikings really, which
Speaker 4: is very you know, dark and gray and very depressing. Well,
Speaker 4: true history was so much more, much more vibrant. Yes,
Speaker 4: our ancestors they they liked colors as well, even though
Speaker 4: they were literally darker times. But yeah, so, but it
Speaker 4: was really the the atmosphere around that, you know, the
Speaker 4: the power or perceived power of of the gods, the
Speaker 4: honor culture, the you know, the traditional ways really that's
Speaker 4: that's that's something that always has spoken to me. It's
Speaker 4: always something that I you know, I did feel and yeah,
Speaker 4: like by watching all of that and like hey, this
Speaker 4: is your ancestral story. It just it just clicked and
Speaker 4: all well snowballed from there and you know, started the channel,
Speaker 4: started the podcasts and yeah, now I'm now I'm here,
Speaker 4: you know, doing doing guest spots and while trying to
Speaker 4: to connect all the all the dots as well and
Speaker 4: have to sever you know, the connections between some some dots,
Speaker 4: like hey, you know, I'm still learning. Our history was
Speaker 4: always told, you know, through stories and through mythologies. It
Speaker 4: wasn't until the until the Romans came into Europe that
Speaker 4: we we started to write things down. And most of
Speaker 4: our stories are written out by Sri Serlison, who was
Speaker 4: still a Christian. So everything that he has written with
Speaker 4: a grain of salt because it is still through the
Speaker 4: Christian lens, of course, yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I have I have taken that into account
Speaker 3: as well. And it seems like, you know, whenever we
Speaker 3: tried to remember our ancestors or our ancient past, it
Speaker 3: we always seem to get browbeaten, right, or like it's
Speaker 3: we we seem to get uh held against us or
Speaker 3: something like everyone. I think everyone can say that all
Speaker 3: of their ancestors in some time have done some things
Speaker 3: you know, that were you know. I mean, look who knows.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they were deemed necessary at the time, right,
Speaker 3: I mean it was a different way of life back then,
Speaker 3: but you know, not not the greatest things.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: But it seems like we're the only people who should
Speaker 3: you know, or are made to feel guilty about it, right,
Speaker 3: or we can't be proud of where we come from
Speaker 3: because of this we uh, we can't look into that.
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, if I would have known that these
Speaker 3: sagas and these stories existed when I was a kid, dude,
Speaker 3: I I I would have have dove into this way
Speaker 3: earlier on. I mean, it's fascinating these the stories of
Speaker 3: these heroes and and just the the trials and tribulations
Speaker 3: that they go through that are not only like just
Speaker 3: like courageous and brave and and and but like also
Speaker 3: esoteric at the same time, like they're acquiring this wisdom
Speaker 3: and and you know, this this this knowledge from the
Speaker 3: gods or from this certain aspect of uh, you know,
Speaker 3: and and uh it. It does speak it it it
Speaker 3: does speak to you. And and I think if you're
Speaker 3: to reject that, I don't know, I don't know, uh,
Speaker 3: the consequences of that.
Speaker 4: But I mean the consequences of that is what we're
Speaker 4: we are seeing in in Europe right now. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's there's also a lot of well, you know, liberalism
Speaker 4: and and the the Christian mindset of you know, love
Speaker 4: everyone except everyone.
Speaker 3: Especially when everyone else.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, and you know, take care of those
Speaker 4: less fortunate, so you know, get all of those less
Speaker 4: fortunate here into Europe where you know, we have it
Speaker 4: so good, you know, accept them. You know, there's no
Speaker 4: need to to have them integrate into our society like
Speaker 4: you have to, you know, take them into into accounts,
Speaker 4: you know, all of all of their their wishes and
Speaker 4: their their culture and uh and and all of that.
Speaker 4: Like for example, it is the the Ramadan time at
Speaker 4: the moment, which is the for Islam, the fasting time,
Speaker 4: and like I'm seeing you know, posts here and there
Speaker 4: are coming from uh, you know, the like Islamic people
Speaker 4: living in well, in the Netherlands and in Europe as
Speaker 4: a whole. It's like, how dare you like eat in
Speaker 4: front of us, or like when you're sitting next to
Speaker 4: us on the train, like, how dare you eat a
Speaker 4: sandwich when I'm fasting? It's like, well, I'm not fasting and.
Speaker 3: I'm hungry, So we're just going to eat this country
Speaker 3: for thousands of years, dude, you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: And and you see that happening here in America. These
Speaker 3: people want to come here, and they'll you know when
Speaker 3: when as they're coming here, they want you know, they'll
Speaker 3: be all pro pro America this and that. But once
Speaker 3: they get here and uh, you know, start making money
Speaker 3: off of the country and and ben and benefiting from
Speaker 3: their situation, then the tide kind of turned in. You
Speaker 3: see a different rhetoric.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: They like to hold up there, uh, their country's flag
Speaker 3: right over our flag. If you know, there's been interviews
Speaker 3: where people go up to these these people in in
Speaker 3: the street and and they'll ask them, you know, if
Speaker 3: we went to war with Mexico or Guatemala, you know
Speaker 3: which one would you Well, I'd support I'd support Mexico,
Speaker 3: that's more, you know. And it's like, well, so then
Speaker 3: you're not American, you know what I mean? And and
Speaker 3: and and so it uh yeah, I can't imagine an
Speaker 3: even older country such as where you live or you know,
Speaker 3: anywhere in Europe that happening and anyone just being okay
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 4: Oh no, a lot of us are are absolutely not,
Speaker 4: and you know, will will make that, will make that known.
Speaker 4: But especially here in the Netherlands, like that that all
Speaker 4: really started in the like sixties seventies, when we had
Speaker 4: a bit of an economic boom. We brought in a
Speaker 4: lot of facts reworkers from you know, from Turkey, from Morocco,
Speaker 4: from Greece, from like just anywhere, you know, cheap labor
Speaker 4: something that is well, I think worldwide of course. And
Speaker 4: are jobs No, I mean it's not it's not even that.
Speaker 4: It's not like they're you know, they're taking our jobs,
Speaker 4: you know, took our jibs and all that. Now, that's
Speaker 4: that's that's not a it's not not even the issue.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: A lot of the well what is now like third
Speaker 4: fourth generation, they're too damn lazy to to get a job.
Speaker 4: You know, they want the money, but they don't know
Speaker 4: they don't want to work. That's why you know, like
Speaker 4: the like wanted kind of shows here in the Netherlands.
Speaker 4: You know, they they call them. Morocco's got talent because
Speaker 4: you know they're the usual suspects. It's like you know
Speaker 4: Middle Eastern about you know, like one one seventy five highs,
Speaker 4: Like okay, usual suspects.
Speaker 3: Definitely not a European guy, No, no, definitely not.
Speaker 4: But you know we we brought in all those these
Speaker 4: factory workers. We you know, we built like factory towns
Speaker 4: for them, you know, gave them a job, gave them
Speaker 4: a gave him a home. And you know that was that,
Speaker 4: like no, no integration needed, no you know, learning the
Speaker 4: language needed. Just work in the factory. You know, make
Speaker 4: the bus money, make yourself some some money, because you know,
Speaker 4: our money in value is greater than than yours. And
Speaker 4: like whatever you do after, you know, not our problem.
Speaker 4: We're getting rich. So so yeah, that's it's been. It's
Speaker 4: been going on for for decades and you know, like
Speaker 4: I said, we're now onto the the third fourth generation,
Speaker 4: and like, don't get me wrong, a lot of them
Speaker 4: are willing to work.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 4: I'm good friends with a with an Iraqi guy and
Speaker 4: he is actually one who'll say that you know, he'll
Speaker 4: support the Netherlands over Iraq because you know he is
Speaker 4: in the Netherlands and this this this country has given
Speaker 4: him so much already and has provided him with, you know,
Speaker 4: so much already. I mean, yeah, he'll go back to
Speaker 4: Iraq to you know, visit family and all of that.
Speaker 4: But you know, he is he considers himself to be Dutch,
Speaker 4: so he'll support the Netherlands and and all of that.
Speaker 4: So there there are you know, it's it's not all
Speaker 4: of them, but it is unfortunately a lot of them,
Speaker 4: and that goes that goes back decades. And yeah, i mean,
Speaker 4: like as you said, they are still allowed to to
Speaker 4: have their national pride.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: What a thing here is like a big Turkish weddings
Speaker 4: for example, Like they'll rent all these like expensive fucking cars,
Speaker 4: you know, like honking through this tree, like waving the
Speaker 4: Turkish flag and.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 4: And that's that's that's fine, like we should be we
Speaker 4: should be okay with that. We're not supposed to comment
Speaker 4: on that because you know, then you're you're racist or
Speaker 4: or whatever. But if the Duchies would do it, we
Speaker 4: you know, we'd get to have to find for for
Speaker 4: doing it. So yeah, but that's that's I mean, the
Speaker 4: Netherlands has always been very liberal, very open minded, while
Speaker 4: at the same time like you know, not wanting to
Speaker 4: create issues. Just you know, keep your head down, do
Speaker 4: your thing, and you know, don't don't make a fuss. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: you know, we are now starting to make a fuss
Speaker 4: because we're getting we're getting kind of kind of tired
Speaker 4: of the ship in the little full.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little yeah man. And then it's like you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you can't eat, you can't even embrace your culture, right. Uh.
Speaker 3: We see the same thing happening here in America. And
Speaker 3: I just used that one people, you know, just as
Speaker 3: an example. It happens with every group of people that
Speaker 3: seems to come to this country. But and you know,
Speaker 3: we saw that thing where where was it? Minneapolis? I
Speaker 3: think with the Somalians and all the fraud. And then
Speaker 3: you have the Tyler Oliviera kid going up to New
Speaker 3: Jersey and New York and exposing these uh, these Hasidic
Speaker 3: communities that are more or less so doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think none of them are working, and
Speaker 3: they're having like ten kids per household, and it's it's
Speaker 3: like what's but they spend all day study studying the Torah.
Speaker 3: You know, who's who's paying for these people to live?
Speaker 3: I think I know who. I think I know who.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, I don't want to get all political
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 4: But it's but that's, you know, it's it's one of
Speaker 4: the reasons why why you should embrace your you know,
Speaker 4: your history, why you should embrace your your heritage, because
Speaker 4: you know, we have fought for or against these people
Speaker 4: for for centuries. I mean we've also you know, we've
Speaker 4: also traded with these people for centuries. I mean, there
Speaker 4: there are Viking artifacts found as far as the the
Speaker 4: Syria Israel border. You know, I believe I've mentioned before that,
Speaker 4: for example, the Varangian Guard of the I believe there
Speaker 4: was the Ottoman Empire. They were all northern Europeans, like big,
Speaker 4: big burley guys. I mean, yeah, oh yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 4: want those as guards. But that was too to the
Speaker 4: benefits of you know, of both parties, of all parties involved. Really,
Speaker 4: so yeah, like we we should work together, like we
Speaker 4: should cooperate, but you know, still respect each other's, each
Speaker 4: other's culture, each other's heritage. And I mean, I am
Speaker 4: you know, I have a very strong stance and that
Speaker 4: that's why I you know, why I celebrate my heritage.
Speaker 4: Why I you know, I do my best to to
Speaker 4: educate about you know, about our heritage both you know, culturally, spiritually, religiously, accult, esoteric,
Speaker 4: like doesn't matter, like all all layers. And I mean
Speaker 4: I'm I'm having well somewhat of a success with it
Speaker 4: and learning a lot in the meantime, you're having for
Speaker 4: myself as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, well that's that's part of it. That's
Speaker 3: part of the journey and like I said, having fun
Speaker 3: doing it as well. Yeah. Somebody said, Stein, what kind
Speaker 3: of cross are you wearing?
Speaker 4: Just well, the cross of my shirt is just it's
Speaker 4: it's a star. But I always wear the hammer.
Speaker 3: Of that's me on nair. Yeah, I didn't know if
Speaker 3: you had a what is it the Woden's son? Jesus dude?
Speaker 3: Really seeing they're talking about phones and stuff now people
Speaker 3: are calling me all right, uh but yeah dude, so
Speaker 3: uh but one book. We're one saga because people aren't
Speaker 3: aware that there there's many different sagas, right, Like there's
Speaker 3: sagas from Denmark, there's sagas from Norway, sagas from Iceland,
Speaker 3: the Germanic sagas, like there's there's so many. Yeah, yeah, Sweden,
Speaker 3: Yeah dude, yeah, we we have a lot to get
Speaker 3: to as far as us reading them on on the show.
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't. Uh we we've gotten up to
Speaker 3: chapter eight in the vall Songa saga and now now
Speaker 3: this is like the progenitor of correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 3: but this is the progenitor of the Nordic race that
Speaker 3: comes down from the ball songs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm you know, kind of uh
Speaker 4: still studying that as well, because that's i mean, that's
Speaker 4: kind of when you get into the you know, the
Speaker 4: territory of like hyper Borea. Oh ah, okay, that's that's
Speaker 4: my that's my co host, my host.
Speaker 3: We're always used to beans being here with HEAs.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's uh yeah. The the original stories, uh
Speaker 4: you'll you'll find them in the the the volsung in
Speaker 4: the those are the the legendary sagas you know, talks
Speaker 4: about all the all the heroes, and then the the
Speaker 4: Vullaspa is really the origin stories of it all, which
Speaker 4: is part of the poetic and it's really the the
Speaker 4: Poetic and the prosed Up are the the the two
Speaker 4: books where in every story is has been written down
Speaker 4: as well as the yeah column laws of of Odin,
Speaker 4: the half Amala, the sayings of the sayings of the
Speaker 4: High One, sayings of the Wise One, which is I
Speaker 4: guess the the closest that we get to, like ten commandments,
Speaker 4: although they're more you.
Speaker 3: Know, nor the norse. What do they call it? I
Speaker 3: mean had Less talked about them.
Speaker 4: I mean they're they're they're guidelines. Really, this is you know,
Speaker 4: like this is what the max what Yeah, this is,
Speaker 4: this is what this is what Odin sees as you know,
Speaker 4: the best way to the best way to live, the
Speaker 4: best way to go. And you know, whether you hold
Speaker 4: yourself to it or not, that is completely completely up
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's one of one of the things that has
Speaker 4: you know, that's affected me for the longest time to well.
Speaker 4: Paganism in in the broadest sense hedonism really, if you
Speaker 4: want to talk European specific, it is very open. It's
Speaker 4: a it's a personal it's a personal practice. There is
Speaker 4: no there is no dogma, there are no set rules,
Speaker 4: set guidelines, you know, like you do this on that day, you.
Speaker 1: Know, in that.
Speaker 4: Specific direction, using these tools and prayers. It's not it's
Speaker 4: very it's very personal. So you know, if you if
Speaker 4: you feel that you know it is right to to
Speaker 4: do it this way, then you know, go go do
Speaker 4: it that way. If you want to go all out
Speaker 4: and like, yes, spend a couple of thousand on an
Speaker 4: altar and all these these fancy tools and whatever, go
Speaker 4: fucking nuts.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's but it's it's it's the the intents that's that counts. Like,
Speaker 4: are you doing it with the right contention?
Speaker 3: Are you doing it to do you have faith?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, are are you honoring your gods? Are
Speaker 4: you honoring your ancestors? Are you honoring your your family?
Speaker 4: Because it's not just you know people from the past.
Speaker 4: You know, you are your your ancestors as well, of course,
Speaker 4: and you know I want my children's children to you know,
Speaker 4: tell the tales of me as well and becoming one
Speaker 4: of the ancestors.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Delphic Maxims, that's what I was thinking of
Speaker 3: me and Headless just we we had just read them
Speaker 3: on the Esoteric because I was like, I don't know
Speaker 3: why I couldn't think of them. It's kind of it's
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty seven Delphic Maxims written almost a
Speaker 3: thousand years before the Old Testament, right, and these were
Speaker 3: their laws in Greece that they had and they I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's everything and more right that that.
Speaker 4: Well, if you need I actually just recently been listening
Speaker 4: to to a show from or an episode by Uber Boyo.
Speaker 4: I love that guy, are Irish fella. He's he's awesome
Speaker 4: and and what he was saying and if you you know,
Speaker 4: if you look at it, that's you know, look at
Speaker 4: all the evidence that he that he comes with, and
Speaker 4: it lines up with what you just said as well,
Speaker 4: is that the Judaic religion was made in Europe, like
Speaker 4: the original the you know, the very first Bible was
Speaker 4: written in Greek. Yes, so it is like you could
Speaker 4: say that, you know, the the Pagans made monotheism because
Speaker 4: I mean polytheism, paganism, it's it's a it's a more
Speaker 4: natural way of practicing. It's the most quite literal natural
Speaker 4: religion there is. Like it's it's animism. It's the belief
Speaker 4: that nature is the divine and the divine is nature.
Speaker 3: And when that happens to you naturally, dude, when you
Speaker 3: just start looking at nature and viewing it as emanations
Speaker 3: of God and and of of these deities. Like it's
Speaker 3: kind of it's it's it's it's beautiful, man, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: really is.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to ask real quick started into road,
Speaker 2: but before you because you kind of getting in there now,
Speaker 2: I did want to ask. I guess, like, what is
Speaker 2: it that? Like I just put you on the spot.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've answered this question plenty of times. What
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What is a pagan to you? Or what does that
Speaker 2: mean to you? Or and or like to add on
Speaker 2: to it, what practices or certain things in your daily
Speaker 2: life have you incorporated into it now that you would
Speaker 2: consider also makes you pagan if.
Speaker 6: You do that?
Speaker 4: Oh, man, I mean the the the origin of the
Speaker 4: word pagan is it's kind of derogatory actually, just you know,
Speaker 4: people from from the lands, people from you know, the smaller,
Speaker 4: smaller towns, the you know, farmers, like they're not educated
Speaker 4: like a city folk.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's also where the word hea then comes from. People
Speaker 4: from the heath, people from the lands. But to me,
Speaker 4: a a pagan is a follower of of the old ways.
Speaker 4: And it really doesn't matter what what old ways those
Speaker 4: those are, you know, whether it is I don't know,
Speaker 4: like you know, meso American for example, like you you
Speaker 4: live in in those regions and you follow the old
Speaker 4: ways of of you know, of your people, then I,
Speaker 4: you know, I consider that pagan ways, uh you know,
Speaker 4: Hellenic Roman. I mean, if there there are many different kinds,
Speaker 4: you can kind of divide it up in into into three,
Speaker 4: you know, reconstructionists, modern, eclectic, and indigenous US.
Speaker 2: Real real quick, just because I don't want to lose
Speaker 2: this question. And I'm not like I'm just I'm being
Speaker 2: honest when I'm not like trying to ask you some question,
Speaker 2: I'm just having thoughts and like I just want to
Speaker 2: ask it. As you consider like santamorte or like voodoo,
Speaker 2: would those then be considered pagan you too, because you
Speaker 2: did mention like even things that are kind.
Speaker 4: Of yeah, I mean those are those are indigenous practices,
Speaker 4: So yeah, I would say that those are that, those
Speaker 4: are pagan practices.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, just just crossed my mind. I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that could be indigitous, could be like Mexico.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, like you mentioned, or you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it is they They are also polytheist practices
Speaker 4: mostly you know, multiple multiple gods or god hads or multiple.
Speaker 2: Oh is that something too, that would be normally like
Speaker 2: polytheist with his like, yeah, gods for everything as well,
Speaker 2: that because of like a character of like I guess
Speaker 2: that pagan's belief system.
Speaker 4: Usually yeah, I mean, especially if you're you know, if
Speaker 4: you're talking about European paganism, that is that is polytheistic,
Speaker 4: the belief of multiple belief in multiple gods at least,
Speaker 4: I mean, there are you know, a whole multitude of
Speaker 4: different creatures divine unless divine, of course, but the belief
Speaker 4: in multiple gods. Polytheism and paganism kind of goes hands
Speaker 4: in hand. It's not it's not a it's not a
Speaker 4: synonym for you know, like polytheists doesn't necessarily mean pagan.
Speaker 4: Pagan doesn't necessarily mean polytheists, but you know, it does
Speaker 4: go go hand in hand at least for the more
Speaker 4: like reconstructionists and indigenous side of things. We're talking modern
Speaker 4: eclectic that would be stuff like Drew Dreeia.
Speaker 3: There's a difference between like the wicked stuff and the
Speaker 3: kind of Germanic Norse paganism stuff, right, Uh, I get
Speaker 3: a different kind of from it completely, But that's just me.
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, and no, like WI only got established
Speaker 4: in the in the seventies, I believe, so it is
Speaker 4: one of the one of the newest. It's it's very
Speaker 4: it's very new age. It's very eclectic. It's you know,
Speaker 4: we're taking this and this and this and this and
Speaker 4: this and you know, making it into one thing.
Speaker 2: It's like light really, I mean it came from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I got from it.
Speaker 1: It's my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I don't know, it seems more
Speaker 3: like the Celtic mythology to me, and uh like those
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: That's but that's that's reconstructionist.
Speaker 3: And then again, you know, just using the names of
Speaker 3: deities and putting it with a certain schigul and and
Speaker 3: like you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's there is no i'd say, there's
Speaker 4: no structure.
Speaker 3: To it, right, It's.
Speaker 4: It's very much you know, like I feel this is right.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm taking it from the I'm taking Heltic,
Speaker 4: I'm taking Nordic. I'm taking you know, some witchcraft and
Speaker 4: like some voodoo and like twisting and turning it into
Speaker 4: this this amalgamation of things. And that's that's Wika. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's you know it's also very much a personal practice,
Speaker 4: but without foundation, really, I mean, the only foundation would
Speaker 4: be really I don't know, you know, the God and
Speaker 4: the goddess like the econmical marriage, and that's that's really
Speaker 4: I mean even that's a stretch, especially with more more
Speaker 4: modern wickens, because they're very much new age, you know,
Speaker 4: they're they're more like I mean, Wicked has has, in
Speaker 4: my opinion, gotten from you know, like somewhat which craft
Speaker 4: t kind of Celtic perhaps too, like Crystal Gerties on TikTok.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I was saying. It's it's
Speaker 3: that's that's what I think of the craft.
Speaker 2: Came out, it would be probably be a dead religion
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 3: Like the TikTok witches and stuff, and you know, they're
Speaker 3: they're they're doing their thing. I guess.
Speaker 2: One thing I want to ask your opinion. Start as
Speaker 2: you're as you're kind of explaining Wicked, it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting how you were saying it because I agree. Uh. Also,
Speaker 2: like recently I've I've noticed I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: maybe something in the in the in the the liberal
Speaker 2: witches and ceremonial magicians lately have been going on about misappropriation.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh Jesus, we have to find fucking racism
Speaker 2: somewhere or some race baiting ship. I could see Wicka
Speaker 2: in itself to Wicka cults or Wicka covens technically doing
Speaker 2: that themselves, because they'll kind of go with a certain
Speaker 2: god or god is and then give it its own
Speaker 2: attributes and kind of make anybody else follow that. So
Speaker 2: you're actually stealing the original one and then rebranding it.
Speaker 2: That would be uh that I think would fit more.
Speaker 4: And nine out of ten times it's it's Egyptian or
Speaker 4: Greco Roman. Yeah, no, that's that's it is what they're
Speaker 4: doing themselves. Yeah, they're they're you know, they're appropriating, misappropriating,
Speaker 4: you know, everything, Like you'll have a bunch of you know,
Speaker 4: fucking you know, middle class white women. Okay, gotta love
Speaker 4: those those middle class white women. They're they're just uh,
Speaker 4: you know, like calling themselves you know, or or like
Speaker 4: being inducted or whatever in some kind of wick and
Speaker 4: cold and now they are, you know, a priestess of
Speaker 4: Isis or you know, if they want to keep it
Speaker 4: sort of European. It's you know, it's always Bridget's you know,
Speaker 4: the Celtic goddess. It's never, it's never freaking fray Ya,
Speaker 4: It's never. It's never a freak. It's never you know
Speaker 4: some Slavic for example, it's it's always, it's always Bridget.
Speaker 2: I noticed that a lot, Yeah, when I was out
Speaker 2: in New York and I looked at, uh, what was
Speaker 2: that witchbox? I forgot. I don't even remember. It was
Speaker 2: like some site back in the day where it would
Speaker 2: show you, like I guess I kind of like cults.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, orders, which which covens and
Speaker 2: all that ship and a lot of them will always
Speaker 2: fucking Bridget and.
Speaker 4: Gota. Yeah, it is another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because everybody else, like I.
Speaker 4: Mean, Hacketee is is edgy. You know, she's a she's
Speaker 4: a dark goddess. She doesn't take she doesn't take ships,
Speaker 4: and you know a lot of those women want to
Speaker 4: pre tense that they are like her.
Speaker 2: Right at that point, it's just emo cosplay.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, that's that's the vibes that I get
Speaker 3: from that.
Speaker 4: And I don't even have anything against against costplay. Like
Speaker 4: cost play can be it can be a very it
Speaker 4: can be very reconstructionist.
Speaker 2: If you're having fun with it, no, I get it.
Speaker 2: But some people I do think take like miss Cosplay.
Speaker 4: They're they're making a mess of things really and yeah,
Speaker 4: they are just they are appropriating, you know, everything from
Speaker 4: from everywhere and calling it, I don't even know what
Speaker 4: they're what they're calling it, like it's not a religion,
Speaker 4: it's it's kind of I mean, it's probably like I'm
Speaker 4: not religious, I'm spiritual.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I also think this takes the beauty away
Speaker 3: from the ancestral religions, right, it gives it that dark
Speaker 3: connite kind of like when people think of it, it's
Speaker 3: this satanic dark and it's like, well, actually no, Well,
Speaker 3: like I said at the beginning of the episode, there's
Speaker 3: dark aspects to everybody's uh oh for sure, culture, especially
Speaker 3: in the Bible. I mean, you know, I mean the
Speaker 3: Old Testament's full of it, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean the European pantheon has has the same thing.
Speaker 4: Like I made videos on that. You know, there's a
Speaker 4: true rocket true it's it's left hand path paganism, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's the the generation of the darker side of
Speaker 4: the Jotan, the giants, you know, the darker gods and
Speaker 4: goddesses like you know, like Loki, like hell Hella.
Speaker 3: Among the giants, didn't.
Speaker 4: He Yeah, I mean that's that's the funny thing that
Speaker 4: you know, they're always at war with the giants, but
Speaker 4: so many of the gods are well giant offspring or
Speaker 4: you know, married two giants, or have at least at
Speaker 4: the very least have kids with you know, with giants.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean it's yeah, you know, rebellion against your your parents.
Speaker 4: I guess, like who hasn't.
Speaker 2: The rebellious child. It's part of horror story at least
Speaker 2: in the Oto kind of.
Speaker 4: And Odin as well. Odin is also a very rebellious spirits.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he he loves the battle for
Speaker 4: the thrill of the battle. You know, the wild hunt
Speaker 4: is not is really just for the thrill of the hunt.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: He's a very left hand path god. It's it's also
Speaker 4: what you what you see in in his story, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's the end justifies the means. He's done some
Speaker 4: some horrible stuff. He's done some some stuff that he
Speaker 4: was absolutely ridiculed for, you know, in order to learn
Speaker 4: cider say that, which is a female form of magic.
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to practice female magic as a man
Speaker 4: unless you want to land upside down in the book
Speaker 4: of course, that's you know, that's up to you. But
Speaker 4: he had to. I mean, he was studying under Freia
Speaker 4: because you know she is the foremost practitioner of sire,
Speaker 4: and he kind of had to become a woman. You know,
Speaker 4: he had to dress up and and you know, like
Speaker 4: live as a as a woman in order to learn
Speaker 4: the magic, which is something that the trans community absolutely
Speaker 4: fucking loves. It's like, oh see, like even Odin is trans.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 4: No, no, or you know, Loki is trans.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I mean, but Odin and Loki are shape shifters. They
Speaker 4: can take on any form that you know, that is
Speaker 4: needed or that they desire. I mean with Loki it
Speaker 4: even goes as far as you know, he he transforms
Speaker 4: himself and like literally is able to give birth to
Speaker 4: a freaking eight leg a horse.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you'll you'll hear people say that him and Odin
Speaker 3: had to have sex for that eight legged horse or something,
Speaker 3: and then it's like, well.
Speaker 4: That was, no, that was that was and a Loki
Speaker 4: in an age, well stallion of a giant stone.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I thought, because
Speaker 3: Loki could shape shift too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Loki is he is shifting into a horse, yeah,
Speaker 4: into a merb and aluing the stallion away, making the
Speaker 4: giant Stonemason missed the deadline for the building off the
Speaker 4: wall of Osgard. Therefore he does not need to be
Speaker 4: paid the payments of course, being the hand of Freya
Speaker 4: in marriage and both the sun and the moon, if
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: Which she she She was given to him without her consent, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, the they needed a wall to you know,
Speaker 4: protect themselves from the giants. He is the best Stonemason
Speaker 4: in you know, in the in the realm of all
Speaker 4: the realms. But because they said in disguise, they yeah,
Speaker 4: they at first they did not know that that he
Speaker 4: was a giant. I mean they sent out messengers, you know,
Speaker 4: throughout the realms of course, and he is or yeah,
Speaker 4: he is the best one, the most proficient one. You know,
Speaker 4: he works the best, he works the fastest, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean his his prize was was I you know,
Speaker 4: he wanted the hand of Freia in marriage. Who wouldn't,
Speaker 4: you know, the most beautiful, most powerful goddess of the
Speaker 4: of the whole pantheon, you know, I mean, hell, I
Speaker 4: would I would love her hand in marriage. Let's you know,
Speaker 4: let's say that I'm a more mere human.
Speaker 3: We had this picture, well that my wife has had
Speaker 3: it since she was like thirteen, and it's been in
Speaker 3: this bend that we have, and we took some out
Speaker 3: in the past month or so to put some some
Speaker 3: more art up, and she put it and she goes,
Speaker 3: who is this and it's it's Freya. It's that picture
Speaker 3: of Freya bending down and like communing with the elementals
Speaker 3: on on on the ground and she has a crown
Speaker 3: on and the crown lights up. It's it's it's all.
Speaker 3: It's right there next to our bed. It's just funny
Speaker 3: how you know she's had this picture since she was
Speaker 3: a little girl. And synchronicities, right, because yeah, we're learning
Speaker 3: about this stuff. And you know, my my wife is
Speaker 3: redheaded right like she so she she comes from that whole.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I mean when when when I think of these ancient tribes,
Speaker 3: especially well when you hear of the nephel and being
Speaker 3: referred to, I mean they're redheaded giants, right, These were
Speaker 3: Northmn I mean were they? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Likely and I mean, Thor himself is you know, red headed,
Speaker 4: and he is a He is a giant of a god.
Speaker 4: He is the strongest of the gods. That's also why
Speaker 4: the the Marvel depiction is very inaccurate. Like Thor wasn't
Speaker 4: wasn't ripped. Thor was more I mean in in in
Speaker 4: how I perceive him, at least like more the powerlifter
Speaker 4: built because he had that belt and those gloves which
Speaker 4: gave him extra strength, which you know, reminds me very
Speaker 4: much of you know, a powerlifter with the belt and
Speaker 4: the straps and and all of that. You know, he
Speaker 4: loved to eat, He loved to drink. You don't stay,
Speaker 4: you know, ripped. If you are that strongly, you have
Speaker 4: to eat. You have to drink, right, even if you're
Speaker 4: even if you're a god. But yeah, he was red headed.
Speaker 4: Loki was red headed.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It is it is a It is the hair. It
Speaker 4: is a hair color that you well, you really only
Speaker 4: see natural hair in the north. And yeah, we are
Speaker 4: among the biggest and tallest people in the world. The
Speaker 4: Dutch on average are the tallest in the world. And yeah,
Speaker 4: we have a lot of red hats, especially in the
Speaker 4: northern provinces, you know, learning these loans a lot of
Speaker 4: red hats there.
Speaker 3: All right, I love it. Yeah. I mean my kids
Speaker 3: have they have red hair and they get that from
Speaker 3: their mom. But I mean, that's this is why women
Speaker 3: with red hair used to be burned at the steak, right.
Speaker 3: They were known as witches and they hide their hair.
Speaker 4: They possess a certain power, and I can I can
Speaker 4: speak on that, like I have kids with a red hat.
Speaker 4: My wife's a red hats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so you know this firsthand. And didn't Epstein
Speaker 3: say something in the Epstein Files about like staying away
Speaker 3: from red headed women because of some kind of like
Speaker 3: power that they had from their ancestors or something. I
Speaker 3: don't know, that's I I heard. It was something along
Speaker 3: those lines.
Speaker 4: I'm not not familiar with that, but that you know,
Speaker 4: it wouldn't surprise me as someone who you know, like
Speaker 4: really practices the dark arts and it's afraid of any
Speaker 4: kind of real power that exactly be able to stop him,
Speaker 4: right right, done, stay the hell away from redheads.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife had brought that up to me yesterday.
Speaker 3: She was like, did you know that? He said? I
Speaker 3: was like, no, that's that's weird though. It's very strange.
Speaker 3: Uh but uh but back to the ball song go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that that whole bloodline of the Ball Songs,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure were redheads. But dude, that's something that
Speaker 3: we're missing and that we need to instill in our
Speaker 3: young men today.
Speaker 4: Is that warrior spirit, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3: You see in these ancient times because it kept this
Speaker 3: family alive while their bloodline was being systematically like killed,
Speaker 3: you know, like uh, Sigmund and all his brothers were killed, right,
Speaker 3: and then his sister basically killed herself, you know, and uh,
Speaker 3: then he had to watch his son die before him,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, and I haven't gotten further in that,
Speaker 3: we haven't gotten to Sigurd yet, but when he slays
Speaker 3: Fafnir and all that stuff, I can't wait. But up
Speaker 3: until that point, you know, you do see. And I
Speaker 3: saw you talking about this on your show the other day.
Speaker 3: You brought up like this wolf factor to his story.
Speaker 3: And you see that in the Volsunga saga. Well, not
Speaker 3: only with the she wolf that is supposedly King Sigi,
Speaker 3: the King of Jotland, his mother who's a shape shifter
Speaker 3: as well. So it seems like these elite kings like
Speaker 3: come from the shape shifting bloodlines or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're talking about the the Olphannar and the Bearserker.
Speaker 4: The the Elite Warriors.
Speaker 3: Comes from Bearserker.
Speaker 4: Uh probably yeah yeah, the yeah, spirit of the bear. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the Old Noir is the spirit of the wolf. Okay,
Speaker 4: spirit of the wolf. And yeah it was I I yeah,
Speaker 4: I did a did a show about that because it
Speaker 4: was really through the book that I'm reading on my Patreon,
Speaker 4: Night Side of the Rooms, which is absolutely amazing. If
Speaker 4: you want to know more about the Rooms and especially
Speaker 4: their you know, their shadows side, you should read this one,
Speaker 4: or you know, join me on Patreon.
Speaker 3: Because guys go over to Stein's Patreon. I think I
Speaker 3: had the link in and the description. I need to
Speaker 3: join up with you.
Speaker 4: Man Patreon Pagan's but yeah, it's it's uh, the the
Speaker 4: chapter on the forms of man, you know, talking about
Speaker 4: the hammer. For example, powerful magicians can use the hugo,
Speaker 4: which was another is another form to change hama, changing
Speaker 4: appearance and form during during an ecstatic trance or deep sleep,
Speaker 4: they are releasing their minds or soul and leave the
Speaker 4: body with its appearance. And it was like through because
Speaker 4: of that, like it made me think of the made
Speaker 4: me think of the Olph and Nard, made me think
Speaker 4: of the Bear's ericer, you know, because they're set to
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, they are elite warriors. That's
Speaker 4: why you know the stories of them are so incredibly awesome.
Speaker 4: But they wear the bear skin and they or the
Speaker 4: wolf skin, and they become the bear, they become the wolf.
Speaker 4: They inhabit the spirit of the bear or the spirit
Speaker 4: of the wolf with the whotonic, ecstatic, furious trans So
Speaker 4: you know, I was I was reading that and I
Speaker 4: was thinking, like, you know, we know, shape shifters are
Speaker 4: a thing. Odin is a shape shifter, Loki is a
Speaker 4: shape shifter, as I you know, as I mentioned, they're
Speaker 4: set to go into this Votonic trands. You know, there
Speaker 4: are the the elite warriors of Voton of Odin. What
Speaker 4: if they actually did shape shifts, which is something that
Speaker 4: you kind of see in the Northman film as well.
Speaker 4: That is a gang of oph Gnar of wolf warriors, and.
Speaker 3: They very at the very beginning, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe, so yeah there, I mean, there there
Speaker 4: are multiple scenes with Paris Rika and oph Gnar, but
Speaker 4: they they really like embodied it to the point that
Speaker 4: they indeed almost became like wolves. And they are talked
Speaker 4: about like they are these well wolf beings, Like yeah,
Speaker 4: they're they're still men, but they are in you know,
Speaker 4: in such an extotic trends that they have become the wolf.
Speaker 4: So like what if by you know, by wearing the skin,
Speaker 4: you know, they have become these beings. I mean that
Speaker 4: will be fucking frightening.
Speaker 3: And even I know something real weird. Sure, for four
Speaker 3: years ago, I got a giant wolf head tattooed on
Speaker 3: my stomach. So, uh man, I don't have any coincidence
Speaker 3: in the fact that we're talking about this right now. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: it's it's it seems like they were shape shifting. If not,
Speaker 3: it's this like energy that they kind of took on,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean by putting the wolf skin on.
Speaker 3: And because you see uh Siffilty uh, I think that's
Speaker 3: how you say his name. I think maybe you could
Speaker 3: correct me. I could spell it for you. But this
Speaker 3: selling of Sigmund slaves like fifteen dudes, you know, while
Speaker 3: in this state, you know, and he's not harmed at all.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they are, They're said too. I mean
Speaker 4: they they can be harmed, but just because of their
Speaker 4: ecstatic states, I mean, good luck with us.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: Brady Britty Nash from Apocalypse's Historia. It's funny like he
Speaker 4: he kind of li likened it to you, like PCP strength
Speaker 4: for example, or you know someone in the check s,
Speaker 4: somebody in the check Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 4: just I was just gonna say, you know, like somebody
Speaker 4: who was like fucking coked out of their minds. You know,
Speaker 4: just this this absolute fucking retarge strength. I mean, you're
Speaker 4: not gonna you're not gonna stop. You're not gonna stop them,
Speaker 4: and like, yeah you can, you can, you can.
Speaker 7: It's I'm sorry, but it's it's it's kind of a thing, right,
Speaker 7: you're right, but and yeah, like you can you can
Speaker 7: wound them, like, yeah you can, you can cut them,
Speaker 7: punch them whatever.
Speaker 4: But there they are so out of their fucking minds.
Speaker 4: They don't feel it, they don't sense it. So by that,
Speaker 4: I you know, I do imagine they seem invincible in
Speaker 4: some way. Yeah, And it's just you know, the the
Speaker 4: Opnar and the the Bears Eric or without math or
Speaker 4: without PCP, and I I Am going to fucking die
Speaker 4: on the hill that they did it without shrimps as well.
Speaker 3: Really, okay, okay, So I mean I'm sure do you
Speaker 3: think there was any substance that was involved, any like
Speaker 3: natural substance that that we possibly don't know about, or
Speaker 3: was completely spiritual?
Speaker 4: I think perhaps in in some some rituals to you know,
Speaker 4: to enhance it. Yeah, sure, but I don't I don't
Speaker 4: believe that nothing. I don't believe it was all shrooms.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I I've done you know, breathing sessions, and you can
Speaker 4: get far with just you know, just breathing, just a
Speaker 4: particular you know, rhythm or particular you know, like guided breathing,
Speaker 4: like you can release d m T by just you know,
Speaker 4: breathing exercises. You don't need any any substances, like we
Speaker 4: can release it ourselves. So if you inhabit the or
Speaker 4: if you're able to to inhabit the whotonic spirit and
Speaker 4: you are guided by a shaman, I'm sure you can
Speaker 4: get into you know, into the trans without any substances.
Speaker 4: Like you're you're frocking high on on adrenaline already because
Speaker 4: you're going into a mm hmm. You know, you're you're
Speaker 4: are a man of Odin, which already you know makes
Speaker 4: for a very powerful energy, fled Odin's energy. It's you
Speaker 4: gotta be fucking strong to contain that, let alone like
Speaker 4: actually channel it, you know, guided by by a shaman.
Speaker 4: I mean at that all up. And I you know,
Speaker 4: I don't think you need any kind of any kind
Speaker 4: of substance. I think you're you're perfectly well of just
Speaker 4: going into a a guide that's guided trans high on
Speaker 4: you know, high on adrenaline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure like from your opponent's point of view,
Speaker 3: that is terrifying.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, see, oh absolutely, Like even even just you know,
Speaker 4: over if we're not talking about like actually shaped a
Speaker 4: bunch of dudes, like a bunch of big, burly dudes,
Speaker 4: like growling like bears and snarling like wolves, fucking running
Speaker 4: at you just and and you know, they're not going
Speaker 4: to have any mercies, like you know, whatever is in
Speaker 4: their path is you know, as they get there, it's
Speaker 4: not going to be in their path anymore. It's just
Speaker 4: it's it's total destruction, total annihilation. So yeah, that is
Speaker 4: absolutely that's the scariest thing ever that you can see
Speaker 4: running at you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can only imagine, dude, But yeah, that's it's
Speaker 3: when I first was reading that in that story, I
Speaker 3: was just like, oh my god, man and uh but
Speaker 3: then you know, they embrace this energy and they take
Speaker 3: back their kingdom, you know. And I mean there there's
Speaker 3: tragedy throughout the story. But this is where the story
Speaker 3: of Ragnar comes along, right into that saga through Oslog right,
Speaker 3: his his second wife. He was the daughter of Brent
Speaker 3: Hild and uh Sigur right. Yeah, yeah, and those are
Speaker 3: like that's a real bloodline mythology.
Speaker 4: No, king, King Regnar was a he was, he was king. Indeed,
Speaker 4: he may have he may not have been a a
Speaker 4: pagan king necessarily. I I do believe that Scandinavia might
Speaker 4: have been Christian by that time already. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not too sure about that. I mean there there,
Speaker 4: those were like weird times because it was it was
Speaker 4: hard for Christianity to really get a foothold in in Scandinavia.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he was a he was a real king,
Speaker 4: wasn't He wasn't a merely a fictional character as a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, like all the really all the characters
Speaker 4: in the Tvsio Vikings were you know, actual historical people.
Speaker 4: They just not necessarily lived during the same times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, crazy. I had looked into each character and
Speaker 3: when I first had watched the show, and yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, each one does have some uh historical basis
Speaker 3: either in Iceland, Greenland, Denmark, Scandinavia, so.
Speaker 4: A lot, a lot of Icelands. I have the I
Speaker 4: have the Icelandic sagas. I I still need to I
Speaker 4: still need to read them, but it is it's it's
Speaker 4: a hefty, hefty book.
Speaker 3: We have the Ice well, I had the Icelandic sagas too.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that I really can't can't wait for.
Speaker 3: I need to get back on the Bolsanga saga. But
Speaker 3: mm hmm, I would love for you to come in
Speaker 3: and read with it sometime. So talking, uh, please forgive me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all can hear that. But the
Speaker 3: other kid, I'm, uh, yeah, it happens. She's yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what it should be. All right, It's gonna have a
Speaker 3: good week. I'm off work this next week, so I
Speaker 3: got a lot of time I'll be spending.
Speaker 1: With the kids.
Speaker 3: I'll also be doing a bunch of shows.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 3: We're up at the top of the hour, y'all, don't
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Speaker 3: o'clock with the Veritas Road It's going to be a banger.
Speaker 3: I think Seventh Central going on their show, they get
Speaker 3: to ask me some questions. I love going on other shows. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it so I don't have
Speaker 3: to be the host. And you know, I mean, I
Speaker 3: love hosting my own show. But there was like a
Speaker 3: year where I'd close to a year where I didn't
Speaker 3: go on anyone show for a minute because I was
Speaker 3: so busy. I had like ten shows of my own
Speaker 3: and so a bit off, a little more than I
Speaker 3: could chew there. We had to cut some down.
Speaker 1: But now.
Speaker 3: Back to a good number of I'd do a good
Speaker 3: amount of streams a week. I'd say, I don't know
Speaker 3: the past few weeks, it's been a little light. But
Speaker 3: I told you guys, I would make it up. So
Speaker 3: getting back to it, Uh, the is is that how
Speaker 3: you say it?
Speaker 4: The forsa?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the okay, the the volus. But that's something else
Speaker 3: that is on and that's in the poetic eda.
Speaker 4: You said, uh, yeah, that is uh, that is part
Speaker 4: of the It's the the first poem in the poetic Eda.
Speaker 4: But that that really tells the the tale of the Well,
Speaker 4: the beginning of the beginning of time, the beginning of
Speaker 4: of the the realms as as we know it's in
Speaker 4: in the Norse Dramanic mythology.
Speaker 3: So okay, oh, before we get off the other topic,
Speaker 3: there's something else that I had read somewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It may have been a video that I saw of
Speaker 3: Odin being akin to like a wolf god at some point,
Speaker 3: maybe Wodin Uh or you know, the Wotani down in uh,
Speaker 3: you know, down in Germania or along in that region.
Speaker 4: And well, I mean he he had his his two wolves,
Speaker 4: of course.
Speaker 3: And right, yeah, yeah, those guys two wolves.
Speaker 4: An actual wolf god gary and freaky. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: roughly translated that would be greed and glutton in. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I'm not sure if he's actually a wolf wolf god.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: You in in that way, you could call him a
Speaker 4: raven god as well, because because of Huanamona, Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: I I would say he is most closely associated with
Speaker 4: the with the well, the blackbirds, and the wolves.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so how does the the the I guess,
Speaker 3: how does the but for Lis but I I don't
Speaker 3: want to say it wrong. I'm trying not to be. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how so you said it? How how does it start out?
Speaker 4: Well, it starts out with stanzas one to five, and
Speaker 4: I actually here hearing I ask from the holy races,
Speaker 4: from Heimdel's sons, both high and low, thou wilt val father,
Speaker 4: that will I relate all tills I remember of man
Speaker 4: long ago. So it really starts out with, of course
Speaker 4: setting the scene and goes into the the old age.
Speaker 4: When Emir lived, see nor cool waves, nor sands there were,
Speaker 4: Earth had not been, nor heaven above but a yawning
Speaker 4: gap and grasp nowhere, the yawning gap, the the voids
Speaker 4: gap called Then's son sons lifted the level lands, sons
Speaker 4: being Odin and his brothers. Boor is the one of
Speaker 4: the primordial giants or one of the older giants, is
Speaker 4: the right?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Emir was the the very very first one. Is of
Speaker 4: a later later generation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They they created the world out of his out of
Speaker 4: his body, Yes, from his his brings, the clouds, from
Speaker 4: his his his hair, the trees, right, uh, yeah, his blood,
Speaker 4: the ocean's his his broken bones became the mountains. If
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, and his his dome became the heavens above.
Speaker 4: His skull became the avens above, held up by four
Speaker 4: dwarfs of the the four cardinal points of the of
Speaker 4: the compass.
Speaker 3: Somebody's bringing up in Germany, Catholic Saint Boniface cut down
Speaker 3: thunder oak, a massive oak tree dedicated to the door,
Speaker 3: and use the wood to build a church. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was Donar's oak. And then I think Saint Boniface was
Speaker 3: killed by Frisians.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was that was up in Frisia. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was here in the here in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And he he paid for that, he he got just
Speaker 4: have cleaved.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you don't go into someone's someone's territory
Speaker 3: and just you know, chopped down there there, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, if if these people venerate this tree, you
Speaker 3: know that's holy to them, I think that's.
Speaker 4: Very disrespect We don't. We don't venerate the wens. The
Speaker 4: trees are a they are a representation of the gods.
Speaker 4: They inhabit, the the the the essence.
Speaker 3: Of the gods, the spirit, right Yeah, Like they'd sit
Speaker 3: under the trees and they they would kind of receive
Speaker 3: these messages, right Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean same as same as the Buddha. You know,
Speaker 4: I didn't mean he no, I know, I know, but
Speaker 4: as the Buddha, like he gained enlightenment under the under
Speaker 4: the fig tree, I believe. Uh So, yeah, trees are
Speaker 4: incredibly important. And the oak tree, Yeah, that's that's forest
Speaker 4: tree because it's the strongest, the mighty is the hardest,
Speaker 4: you know, the mighty oak.
Speaker 3: So so that is okay, that that is doors tree. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: because Odin hung on a ash tree, right yeah, and
Speaker 3: swept swept tree the ash tree, yes, yeah, okay, okay, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: but yeah, and then done it get into how like uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to keep keep reading
Speaker 3: it after that.
Speaker 4: I mean the there are sixty six stunza. So that's
Speaker 4: that's it may be maybe a bit much, but I
Speaker 4: know the I know the creation story, you know, from
Speaker 4: from the top of my head. It was the primordial
Speaker 4: realms of of fire and the primordial realms of ice
Speaker 4: as being Muspelheim and Nifflheim. They came together in the
Speaker 4: the yawning Gap into in the void in Knunga Gap,
Speaker 4: and from the from the steam that that came the
Speaker 4: very first, very first beings rose, one of them indeed
Speaker 4: being Emir, the primordial ice giants, and later on a Dumbla,
Speaker 4: the primordial cow who fat Emier and you know from
Speaker 4: that also becoming the the milky way.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she she licked salty ice blocks, eventually freeing Bori,
Speaker 4: who was the very first of the gods. So Bori
Speaker 4: is really the father of all gods, and he came
Speaker 4: from a block of of ice. And it was his
Speaker 4: son Boor, who married the giantess best Lab, who had
Speaker 4: three sons, Voden, Villi, and v That's why the the
Speaker 4: sign for for odin that you see a lot of
Speaker 4: the vulcanut, the three triangles is said to be representative
Speaker 4: of the three v's for Voden, Philly and A. The
Speaker 4: three brothers that you know where the very first, well,
Speaker 4: very first Acier, the ones who gave us life, who
Speaker 4: you know, made man and woman out of a ash
Speaker 4: tree in an elm tree, and you know, gave us,
Speaker 4: gave us knowledge, gave us free will, give us breath.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the three bodies they killed Emir using his
Speaker 4: body to create the world. His flesh became the earth,
Speaker 4: which I find really interesting because there's a lot of
Speaker 4: in the like more tartarian circles. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: talk that these what is it like salt salt caves
Speaker 4: for example, like the real like the Himalayan red salt
Speaker 4: for example, is really kind of looks fleshy. Yeah, which
Speaker 4: lines up with with our creation story. Was his flash
Speaker 4: that became the earth. Wow, his blood from the seas,
Speaker 4: his bones turned into the mountains, and his skull became
Speaker 4: the sky. Held about fort dwarfs and his brains the clouds,
Speaker 4: and I mean yeah, they the the everybody always looked
Speaker 4: bad on the on the Dwarfs unfortunately, even though they
Speaker 4: were the Master Smith's, because it was from the maggots
Speaker 4: of Emir's flesh that the dwarfs came.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Yeah, that that story or I think I've
Speaker 3: read the Stanza on the Dwarves and it's it's something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's incredible. A lot of the a lot of
Speaker 4: the names you actually find in the stories, the.
Speaker 3: Rings, Yes, I saw that, dude, I saw that. Yeah. No,
Speaker 3: and and to that the dwars being Now this goes
Speaker 3: into the teachings of Paracelsus when it comes to the elementals, right,
Speaker 3: the dwarves being connected to our physical bodies are bones.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever have you ever gotten
Speaker 3: into that.
Speaker 4: I have the dwarfs to a alchemist of the Paracels
Speaker 4: the School, but I'm not sure I haven't heard that.
Speaker 4: I mean, they are the they are the Master Smith's Dwarves.
Speaker 3: Whatever, you know, it's the same same thing.
Speaker 4: But I mean they are very grounded elemental beings. They
Speaker 4: you know, they held up the you know, they held
Speaker 4: up the skull of Emir. It wouldn't Yeah, it wouldn't
Speaker 4: surprise me if they are, you know, connected to our
Speaker 4: very inner internal structure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know how long is the velis?
Speaker 2: But is it?
Speaker 3: You said sixty six sixty six Stanzas, Yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 3: the wheels is bound to land on it soon enough.
Speaker 3: Rat what's up dude? Right of the stream? I guess
Speaker 3: they had a D two A disagree to agree. It's
Speaker 3: my co host some other show. Yeah, man, no, So,
Speaker 3: I uh wanted let me see something else I wanted
Speaker 3: to talk to you about. I was gonna pull up
Speaker 3: this picture real fast, but I decided. Also, that's your website. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: those names that you're talking about, it seems like a
Speaker 3: lot of like modern day culture and stuff is built
Speaker 3: off of these ancient names and even the rooms as well,
Speaker 3: like they hold a lot of power to them.
Speaker 4: They definitely do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like the like what is it the Bluetooth
Speaker 3: symbol or whatever?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is uh those are two rooms. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah here named after Hoddle Bluetooth. Wait what yeah, he
Speaker 4: was actually the king. That's reunite. It's kind of nava
Speaker 4: under under Christianity.
Speaker 3: What dude, that's crazy. So yeah, it's the they called
Speaker 3: the Burkhana, uh.
Speaker 4: Rooms, that's that's one of the that's the the bee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it stands for growth. Yeah. That's so cool man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean how how how many logos and symbols out there?
Speaker 3: I mean I'd say a lot of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whole lots. I mean, I of course, you know,
Speaker 4: I go deeper in the Ruins on the Night side
Speaker 4: of the of the Ruins, like it talks about them
Speaker 4: in in in so many ways. And also that the
Speaker 4: the that it's not supposed to be the footh arch
Speaker 4: but the eth arch, that Fay who would actually come last,
Speaker 4: and how Thomas Carlson explains it in in the book
Speaker 4: actually makes a lot of sense because the ruins they are,
Speaker 4: they're also representations of certain things. Footh Arc is merely,
Speaker 4: you know, the first few letters of the runic alphabet,
Speaker 4: with the first one being wealth and cattle.
Speaker 3: Let's see, I have a provisions and stuff like, just
Speaker 3: like downloads.
Speaker 4: To understand the ruins is to understand the ruins is
Speaker 4: very difficult. I mean it literally took odin a lifetime
Speaker 4: and so many fucking sacrifices as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: Footh arc feyhu ur rido k now, so that is
Speaker 4: fayu would be cattle or wealth, which is at least
Speaker 4: in those times, synonymous to each other. Of course, Urus
Speaker 4: is the ox the oxen, which is why Thomas Carlson,
Speaker 4: you know, debates on the topic that it doesn't make
Speaker 4: sense to have cattle become come before the oxen, especially
Speaker 4: since it is the you know, the the primordial oxen
Speaker 4: being the room for of course, Ansus is the ash
Speaker 4: or ash tree. Rido, which actually looks like an R
Speaker 4: is the road, and then kno is the torch. So
Speaker 4: every every room is It's not just a letter, it's
Speaker 4: also a it's a symbol, and that symbol has a
Speaker 4: certain power to it, and you can you can of
Speaker 4: course combine them as well, but then you would, I mean,
Speaker 4: be sure to combine rooms that actually go with with
Speaker 4: each other, you know, if you're if you want to
Speaker 4: want to connect I don't know, so growth or something ice,
Speaker 4: those two really don't don't go together. Like they are
Speaker 4: diametrically opposed in you know, both meaning and you know
Speaker 4: and power. So I mean you can't make a bind
Speaker 4: room of it. But that's just it's gonna be chaotic
Speaker 4: and it's not going to work the way you want to.
Speaker 3: I've seen the bind rooms as well. Yeah, So what's
Speaker 3: the difference between a room and a bind room?
Speaker 4: I mean, the there is no there is no difference.
Speaker 4: Bind room is just multiple multiple runes made made into one,
Speaker 4: you know, trying to combine or combine forces, you know,
Speaker 4: trying to have have one room amplify the strength of
Speaker 4: another by its its meaning. And for for certain certain
Speaker 4: rooms that works better than others, like the example that
Speaker 4: I just gave. You know, if you want to try
Speaker 4: and connect the room for the sun so Willow and
Speaker 4: the room for ice isa, I mean they're diametrically diametrically
Speaker 4: a posts. So I mean you can make a bind
Speaker 4: room of them. It's fairly easy, but it's it's not
Speaker 4: gonna work. And even if it's you know, if it's working,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be absolute chaos because those rooms they are
Speaker 4: opposites of each other. They don't strengthen each other.
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, I see so many other symbols in
Speaker 3: these rooms. I see a fish, I see a peace sign.
Speaker 3: It's it's the the algae piece. Yeah, the augas is
Speaker 3: the upside down peace sign.
Speaker 4: No, it's the actual peace sign.
Speaker 3: It is the actual wow. Wow, So the peace sign
Speaker 3: is actually in the inversion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, Yeah it is, because I mean if you
Speaker 4: if you kind of look at it, it's it's looking
Speaker 4: more like a like a jets or a rocket in
Speaker 4: a way. Yeah. Well, the the Alka's room, the way
Speaker 4: it is mostly described is kind of like a man
Speaker 4: with his his arms outstretched, kind of in a you know,
Speaker 4: a victory pose, you will.
Speaker 3: And then I see some of these look like the
Speaker 3: Masonic apron almost, or like they use the these ruins
Speaker 3: as uh.
Speaker 4: You're talking about manas I guess the room for human
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And something else that I saw. Did Crowley literally take
Speaker 3: a room and turn it into like this protective angel
Speaker 3: iwa was, which means defense.
Speaker 2: I have actually thought that IOWA believe it, or that
Speaker 2: I think he might be playing Golf of the Alice
Speaker 2: in Wonderland syndrome. That's what I think, because.
Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about that Stein?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't, But I was just the it is
Speaker 4: the room for for strength, So I mean he's looking
Speaker 4: to you know, create or or you know, call up
Speaker 4: some divine powerful beings.
Speaker 3: He was taking stuff from Norse mythology, the ship, from everywhere.
Speaker 3: He was doing with these hot topic.
Speaker 4: You know everyone has.
Speaker 2: That's why I keep saying I don't know why people
Speaker 2: stay is stuck on them because they pulled all the
Speaker 2: people ship that nobody knows anything about. So go look
Speaker 2: at the people they ripped off. Then you'll learn more.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they get stuck. They don't look any
Speaker 2: further back than like you know, Helena Bololotski and fucking.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I saved the room question for last Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 2: Did he also even change the strength card?
Speaker 3: Is that Tara in his own terror? Did he you
Speaker 3: would know? I don't know. I still haven't had anyone
Speaker 3: on to talk about the occult side of Crowley. I've
Speaker 3: had William Ramsey on to talk about his uh you know,
Speaker 3: his uh like the view of him from you know,
Speaker 3: that lens of him being the magit that I haven't
Speaker 3: you looked into the inner workings.
Speaker 1: Of of.
Speaker 2: Strength card. Maybe did he replace let me see that
Speaker 2: could be run, might have been a lost.
Speaker 3: You guys would know more about terror than me. I'd
Speaker 3: like to have somebody on to talk about that. Actually
Speaker 3: that that'd be.
Speaker 4: Rus And yeah, you should get him on.
Speaker 3: He's definitely okay. Cool.
Speaker 8: But when I was looking at when I was looking
Speaker 8: at the runes, I saw that name and I went,
Speaker 8: wait a minute, he took this and and you know,
Speaker 8: now everyone thinks that the I was is this fallen
Speaker 8: angel thing.
Speaker 3: It's not. It's not you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: When when people read the story of Crowley and they
Speaker 3: see his his guardian angel was named, I was now
Speaker 3: in their perception they see that kind of like how
Speaker 3: I did, and I had to go, well, we'll wait
Speaker 3: a minute. The Ruins came way longer longer. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: so they definitely took that from that, and and like
Speaker 3: you said earlier, it's the intention behind it, especially with ruins, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 4: They are, you know, you know, they're the most powerful symbols,
Speaker 4: powerful well sigils if you will, of Northern Europe. You know,
Speaker 4: I mean at least of the the old magic. Let's say,
Speaker 4: I mean there you of course have the the Icelandic
Speaker 4: Solomonic sigils as well, like the what a lot of
Speaker 4: people think is that the Viking compass. It's it's that's
Speaker 4: Icelandic magic. That's it's a it's a seal, it's a sigil.
Speaker 4: It's not really, it's not a it's not Viking. Let's
Speaker 4: say it's, uh so what.
Speaker 3: Is it is it? Does it maybe come from the desert?
Speaker 4: No, no, it's ice. It's Icelandic, but it is. It's
Speaker 4: the hell and the helm of all, I believe is
Speaker 4: what everyone confuses to be the the Viking compass, or
Speaker 4: or or one of those at least.
Speaker 3: So is there an original Viking compass?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, okay, okay, everyone thinks that the the ve er
Speaker 4: is the Icelandic compass. When that is a it's that's
Speaker 4: sigil magic.
Speaker 3: Here. Let's uh, I'm gonna pull a picture of that up.
Speaker 3: You said it was what the.
Speaker 2: The vec V.
Speaker 4: If you type in Viking compass. You'll you'll find it
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Here okay, this right here, guys, I'm gonna pull it up.
Speaker 3: I have too many tabs open. I always do getting
Speaker 3: more organized. It's like the longer you have your show,
Speaker 3: the more unorganized you can come. Here you go. So
Speaker 3: this is this is not Nordic, this is not.
Speaker 4: It's it's but it's not Viking. It's it's newer than that.
Speaker 4: And this is uh, this is sigil magic. This is
Speaker 4: not runic.
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a difference between sigil magic and runic magic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is more more akin to solomonic magic.
Speaker 3: Aha, mm hmm ah okay, okay, that makes sense. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it does kind of have that same kind of look
Speaker 3: to it. You could almost say as the Solomonic.
Speaker 4: Schigels Tobias good call Tina Tina Kemperor.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 4: Well with she does a lot of stuff with Thomas Sheridan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she's she's she's Flemish. Actually, I've had her on on
Speaker 4: on my show. She is from Elgium. But Tina Tina
Speaker 4: is awesome if you want to if you want to
Speaker 4: know about the rooms, like really know about the runes. Uh, Tina, Yeah,
Speaker 4: absolutely good.
Speaker 3: So I'm saying, iwas, is an agrigor that would make sense?
Speaker 3: Maybe it would be an archetype some kind of defense
Speaker 3: uh agrigor. Perhaps, I don't know. I'm glad I asked
Speaker 3: that though.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some something that caught my eye that was kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh man, you know you see these similar
Speaker 3: terms and these uh motifs and all these different cultures. Man,
Speaker 3: there has to be some kind of connection there. But
Speaker 3: like when I started reading some some of these ancient
Speaker 3: Norse myths and stuff, Dude, Like I started seeing like
Speaker 3: e done, uh the you know, the goddess Edone who is.
Speaker 4: And her golden apples.
Speaker 3: Her apples, right, So you have the garden of Eden with.
Speaker 4: This apple garden, and it is through her golden apples,
Speaker 4: by the eating of the golden apples, that the gods
Speaker 4: maintain their immortality.
Speaker 3: Something tells me that Edun is much more ancient than
Speaker 3: you know, most likely. Yeah, and and I I you know,
Speaker 3: you see these similar themes throughout.
Speaker 4: I mean the apple, you know, as a as a
Speaker 4: symbol and of itself. You know, if you look at it,
Speaker 4: it's it's the roidal first and foremost. It also kind
Speaker 4: of has the the physical pics shape or the you know,
Speaker 4: which is a very ancient fertility symbol as well. So
Speaker 4: but you know, it has seeds, so it is kind
Speaker 4: of both male and female as well. Yeah, the golden
Speaker 4: apples of Edun. You know, it allows ye the gods
Speaker 4: to maintain their their immortality. And a lot of a
Speaker 4: lot of the stories that you you find in yeah,
Speaker 4: in the Bible or coming from from the Middle East
Speaker 4: are either similar to the European stories or just you know,
Speaker 4: are clearly rewritten for a for a different, different purpose,
Speaker 4: different narrative, a different lens.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm personally a big fan of Carl Gustav
Speaker 4: Young and then especially his work on the archetypes, because
Speaker 4: i mean the Norse patheon is such a clear example
Speaker 4: of the archetypes. Yeah, I mean that's yeah in mind,
Speaker 4: I mean Voton is you know, he's a trickster. He
Speaker 4: is the magician, he's the wanderer. You know, you have
Speaker 4: i mean Loki as well, a trickster for I mean,
Speaker 4: he is the is the protector. That's why. And and
Speaker 4: like I'm not saying that they're not you know, real
Speaker 4: because of that, because they you know, the embody, the
Speaker 4: the archetypes, but it helps, it helps better better understand explorer, rebel, lover, creator,
Speaker 4: I mean Odin, he is also a creator. It is
Speaker 4: of course Freya, who is the the ultimate lover if
Speaker 4: you will. Then again there is a form of Odin
Speaker 4: who is one of the lovers of Freya, which is
Speaker 4: also talked about in night Sight of the Rooms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's says like, if you go and
Speaker 3: look at like these ancient Germanic kings, kind of I
Speaker 3: guess you call it a pantheon or like a family tree.
Speaker 3: They all descend from some dude named Woden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they all they all trace their lineage back to
Speaker 4: Voden oldin Voton, which.
Speaker 3: Goes to say, like when these kings, I don't know,
Speaker 3: And it seems like all these kings had some kind
Speaker 3: of sickness or disease that calls them all to die young.
Speaker 3: And it's like, I don't know, they're fighting against their
Speaker 3: own brothers and against who is supposedly their pret you know,
Speaker 3: the guy who was the progenitor of their race. He
Speaker 3: is the old father, the same spirit. So it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if that was a curse
Speaker 3: in itself for some English kings. A lot of them
Speaker 3: were sick, right, they had these diseases. They didn't live
Speaker 3: at like twenty five.
Speaker 4: The Whotonic spirit is a it's a very strong one.
Speaker 4: And yeah, if you're you know, you're trying too, if
Speaker 4: you're trying to to capture the Whotonic spirit, if you're
Speaker 4: trying to channel the Wotonic spirit, but you're not of
Speaker 4: you know, sufficient strength. And also he is a is
Speaker 4: a god of the god of the elites, god of
Speaker 4: the higher class. You know, he doesn't deal with he
Speaker 4: doesn't deal with peasants. So you know, everyone who you
Speaker 4: know says like, oh, you know, I'm such a man
Speaker 4: of odins, like very much doubt it, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean unless you are you know, that that scholar, unless
Speaker 4: you are this you know, like big brain kind of guy.
Speaker 4: Because you know, he was all about wisdom. He was
Speaker 4: all about knowledge.
Speaker 3: And if you're is knowledge of the divine right people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ultimate ultimate wisdom. Like he sacrificed so much for it.
Speaker 4: You know, he sacrificed an eye for you know, true vision.
Speaker 4: He sacrificed himself to himself. That was the the final
Speaker 4: sacrifice to you know, to understand the rooms. So you
Speaker 4: know everyone who just thinks that, like, oh, you know
Speaker 4: I can, I can work with Odin. I don't like
Speaker 4: work with but you know I can take the whotonic energy.
Speaker 4: No you can't, No, you can't. You have to be
Speaker 4: of you know, either like actual elite class or have
Speaker 4: worked yourself up to like elite elite class or elite magician.
Speaker 4: Because like like I said, you know, I I have
Speaker 4: felt the the photonic energy. It is so strong, it
Speaker 4: is so condensed. It made me feel so uncomfortable that
Speaker 4: I I had to step off. I had to you know,
Speaker 4: I had to literally take a step back.
Speaker 3: It's a very anxious energy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, absolutely, it's it's very Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it's a very erratic ecstatic energy. Uh odin battlefield diplomacy
Speaker 4: is basically kill them before they kill us.
Speaker 3: It's the wall of the land, dude. It seems like
Speaker 3: that's natural law, natural order. Yeah, you know, if we're
Speaker 3: living out of that natural order, and I just uh,
Speaker 3: take a look at where humanity is today, right, I
Speaker 3: just uh. And I'm not telling people to abandon their
Speaker 3: faith and go and you know practice, but like I
Speaker 3: don't think it's HEALTHI or wise for us to view
Speaker 3: our ancestors as uh, you know, these people who venerated demons,
Speaker 3: and that we come from this lineage of fallen beings
Speaker 3: and that we can only bring ourselves up through this
Speaker 3: one a class of people, right, this one. And I
Speaker 3: I just I don't feel that to be true my soul,
Speaker 3: right like I And I'm experiencing that right now on
Speaker 3: my own spiritual journey. And my audience has seen me
Speaker 3: go through this for the past two years, you know,
Speaker 3: and I've told everybody you know, I'm learning, this is
Speaker 3: a learning experience, and uh, you know it is what
Speaker 3: it is. This is you know, my path, no one else's.
Speaker 3: So mm hmmm. Because there's there's things I've taken, you know,
Speaker 3: teachings from Christ and things from that culture you know,
Speaker 3: that you can take with you that I think are good,
Speaker 3: especially for people who are When I first, you know,
Speaker 3: back when I was an atheist and I was spiritually dead,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's something that brought me
Speaker 3: up out of my own darkness and helped me. But
Speaker 3: it was I always viewed it through this esoteric lens,
Speaker 3: and so it's brought me to where I am today, right.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any mistake in that. And I
Speaker 3: don't think that anything has taken me off my path.
Speaker 3: I think this is my path, especially understanding this stuff
Speaker 3: and helping other. I mean, you know, European people of
Speaker 3: European descent understand that, you know, is that you don't
Speaker 3: need to be ashamed of where you come from. And
Speaker 3: we can still you know, you know, our ancient traditions
Speaker 3: and practices and and uh, you know, be proud of
Speaker 3: it because it's it's made us who we are today.
Speaker 4: You still kind of practice it, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: unknowingly perhaps you know, at least through the holidays, you know,
Speaker 4: and the customs around the holidays those come from, you know,
Speaker 4: from the ancient traditions.
Speaker 3: That's William, that's not us I'm talking about. You know,
Speaker 3: the people here on this panel, the people watching the show.
Speaker 3: You know, they they'll they'll tell us all day that
Speaker 3: that we're falling, right, and then they'll give us the cure.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Don't look inside yourself though, right, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So we have to look out side of the box,
Speaker 3: you know, to truly understand what is even inside the box.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I think is even just like
Speaker 2: another issue with that. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff, what do you want to blame? And everything's
Speaker 2: on demons and ship you're kind of really giving yourself
Speaker 2: a pass on acting like a piece of ship. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's like, also, no, you don't have to.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think, yeah, I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: of the right wording. It's almost like, you know, you
Speaker 2: take less responsibility for your own actions now, or have
Speaker 2: humanity these actions just you know, dem I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's kind of fucking so if it, if it's always
Speaker 4: some outside force that is to blame, you don't have
Speaker 4: to take your own responsibility. You don't have to. You
Speaker 4: don't have to, you don't have to grow, you don't
Speaker 4: have to do the inner work, you don't have to
Speaker 4: do the inner alchemy. If you can just always blame
Speaker 4: the bad stuff on, you know, on something else, on
Speaker 4: some outside force you know, or even you know, talking
Speaker 4: about deems like demonic sessions, some outside for us coming in. Oh,
Speaker 4: I was I was possessed. I didn't know what I
Speaker 4: was doing, you know, and therefore it's not my fault.
Speaker 4: I was possessed. I was not me, So I'm not
Speaker 4: to blame. It's still something else that inhabited me, but
Speaker 4: it wasn't me, right, Yes, right, And that's that's another
Speaker 4: thing that you know that my my ancestral ways or
Speaker 4: our ancestral ways, you know, really tell you like, don't
Speaker 4: don't go blame it on some outside force. Take responsibility.
Speaker 4: Go on the hero's journey, go on the wotanic journey,
Speaker 4: you know, find find out who you are. But you know,
Speaker 4: do do it yourself, do the inner work, do the
Speaker 4: inner alchemy. Sacrifices are going to be necessary. You're gonna
Speaker 4: have to You're gonna have to cut out, cut off
Speaker 4: some some parts. But you know, as long as in
Speaker 4: the end you'll you're better off for it. Then, you know,
Speaker 4: the end justifices the means.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful. Man, uh Stein, this was a great conversation.
Speaker 3: We're almost we're getting close to two hours in. I
Speaker 3: don't want to keep you for too long. And Nick,
Speaker 3: I don't know you do you have another show today?
Speaker 5: Nick?
Speaker 2: I actually don't have anything this weekend. I might go
Speaker 2: on Web and mysteries later. I think you might be
Speaker 2: doing something, but I don't have anything for myself. Actually,
Speaker 2: I have so much shit. I gotta work on. But
Speaker 2: I mean I could go on stuff. I'm just not
Speaker 2: trying to make any new shows.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, and I got to get to work. I'm
Speaker 4: working the working the night shifts.
Speaker 3: Ah, there we go.
Speaker 4: Well sorry, yeah, I'll just you're good camera for now.
Speaker 4: It was the most charming picture that.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say. I don't know where your fan
Speaker 3: club is, man, you usually have a fan club here
Speaker 3: that love love seeing you. But Stein tell tell people
Speaker 3: to get and where they can find you and what
Speaker 3: you have if there's anything that you have common, and
Speaker 3: we'll have to get you back on the show soon.
Speaker 3: If I get you on the Occult Reject soon, definitely.
Speaker 4: For sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You can find me on YouTube YouTube dot com for
Speaker 4: Slash at Stein Fox. That is where I post most
Speaker 4: of the contents. I'm trying to do more on Patreon
Speaker 4: Patreon dot com first as grand Pagans. There you can
Speaker 4: get early access to all the podcasts I post bonus contents.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of the stories of the Netherlands
Speaker 4: as well, because I really want to keep it closer
Speaker 4: to home, you know, speaking of ancestors and ancestral stories.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 4: Patreon book Club where we are currently reading Night Side
Speaker 4: of the Rooms and all of that you can just
Speaker 4: find on our home or hub Greyhornpagans dot com. That's
Speaker 4: our website. Everything should be on there, and if it's not,
Speaker 4: it will be soon, all right.
Speaker 3: Brother, Yeah, y'all, y'all go over there fall Stye and
Speaker 3: he's a he's a friend of Gray Piled and uh
Speaker 3: we'll have many many more conversations hopefully after this. Man,
Speaker 3: this this was a great episode, Manure. We will absolutely
Speaker 3: Nick tell people where they can find you and what
Speaker 3: you got coming. Man, if there's any event you're going
Speaker 3: to be at soon or.
Speaker 2: I don't take any events in solo episodes.
Speaker 3: You got dropped.
Speaker 2: Twenty six of April, I might record, Oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go see regardless Ike Baker and this dude Colline speaking
Speaker 2: at some symposium in Ashwell, North Carolina. I might be
Speaker 2: filming that. We still have to find out, like what
Speaker 2: the deal is with that, so that it might be
Speaker 2: going to but uh, well, actually regardless, I'm going anyway,
Speaker 2: So that is an event. But besides that, I got
Speaker 2: a couple of shows. I'm working on sacred geometry and
Speaker 2: like religious and spiritual places. I got that and I have.
Speaker 2: I have that stuff specific on like a few a
Speaker 2: few places around the world where like even the somatics
Speaker 2: and the archae acoustics all that shit, like places that
Speaker 2: like you walk into and it's trying to fucking change
Speaker 2: the way you feel and think, stuff that affect your
Speaker 2: vagus nerve. Really interesting shit. And then I do have
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting from kind of getting into that.
Speaker 2: Then I do have another show that I'm working on
Speaker 2: all these things at the same time, showing the occult
Speaker 2: architecture in Christian churches.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I talked about that when I went to Lexington,
Speaker 3: Virginia and we went into that one church and you know,
Speaker 3: there was the pyramid on the podium with the eye
Speaker 3: in it, and uh and uh it's pretty cool to see.
Speaker 3: All right, well, guys catch me later seven o'clock on
Speaker 3: the Veritas Road. I think I'm streaming it to my
Speaker 3: channel at seven Central.
Speaker 2: Nice.
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Speaker 3: or something, and then the Western Esoteric uh the Adepts
Speaker 3: in the Western Esoteric Tradition Part seven or eight, I
Speaker 3: believe so. And then four o'clock Central tomorrow we got
Speaker 3: Brandon Fellow occult reject from Magus in the Media coming on.
Speaker 3: And then Thursday, I don't I don't know what time
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, but we have a
Speaker 3: bite coming on Michael Connor a on Byte. Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: about gnosticism and the demi urge and stuff. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be fun. But yeah, yeah, guys, I'll see y'all later.
Speaker 3: And uh oh yeah, go over here. Before we get
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shout out subliminal messenger man he redid
Speaker 3: it and made it purple for the grade great pilled.
Speaker 3: Got a lot of cool stuff on here. U uh
Speaker 3: an actual Volksanga Saga shirt. Don't tell anybody, but uh
Speaker 3: you know, good stuff. Gods in the morning. Would yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, gonna have some. You're gonna keep uploading designs
Speaker 3: more so some loheam etymology, some stick acres mugs. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm putting in an order tonight. Probably here in a minute,
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Speaker 3: question everything, and stay great phil guys, we'll see you later.
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