WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:23.559 Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio. Welcome to 2 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:29.760 Policy and Rights SHOWCAS, Welcome to the Policy Human Joys. 3 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.039 Welcome back to Policy and Right here and Pictures Media Radio. 4 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:07.439 I'm your host, Michael Kloggs. In today's episode, we're going 5 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:13.519 to hear well RA as it's put in its darkest days, 6 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:18.480 it's darkest moment for the agency. In seventy five years 7 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:26.239 October seventh, twenty twenty three, there were members of ARA 8 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:32.719 who participated in the kidnapping of Israeli people and helped 9 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:40.439 the Hamas hold these people hostage. And for those few 10 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:45.920 who actually did participate in the activity, they found their 11 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:52.680 way into ANRA so that they could do harm to people. 12 00:01:56.239 --> 00:02:01.840 That that is actually shameful and there should be some 13 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:09.319 accountability for such actions. But does that mean that the 14 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:14.719 whole organization needs to be torn apart and labeled a 15 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:19.240 terrorist organization? Does it mean that all the work that 16 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:24.080 they did to help the Palestinian refugees and all of 17 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:29.520 the work that they have done to provide humanitarian efforts 18 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:34.680 to be thrown out out the door? That is a 19 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:41.080 huge question, And yet we're watching it happen even as 20 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:48.439 I'm putting together this podcast that the United Nations in 21 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:53.080 the global community is discussing at this time how to 22 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:58.560 take apart ANRA and in the services to the Palestinian 23 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.639 people that are provided by this organization, and they have 24 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:09.800 been been provided by this organization for a little more 25 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:10.800 than seven decades. 26 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:12.599 So. 27 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:21.319 The one of the spokespeople for UNRA and leadership of UNRA, 28 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:31.759 the Commissioner of General philipp Lazzarini, on November thirteenth said 29 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:41.759 the objective campaign to delegitimateize the agency is to stop 30 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:53.360 the Palestinian from refugee status, to undermine the and to 31 00:03:53.560 --> 00:04:01.520 bury once and for all the two state solution is 32 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:06.120 the dismantling of UNRA a purely political. 33 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:08.680 Task. 34 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.080 Are the actions that they're taking only political or there 35 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:20.720 are some legitimate reasons for putting an end to UNRA 36 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:29.240 because it is legitimately a terrorist organization or are we 37 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.240 calling it or trying to call it a terrorist organization 38 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:38.639 for political gain and for colonial gain in the Middle East? 39 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:49.360 Something to actually think about and and it's as the people, 40 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.079 can we take some sort of action to get our 41 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:58.600 governments to actually put forth money to help UNRA continue 42 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:04.560 their mission to the Palestinian people. The Palestinian refugees and 43 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:10.160 provide humanitarian efforts to these sane people so that a 44 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:15.120 two state solution can actually be found. That is a 45 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:22.959 huge question and a and a burden for for for 46 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.279 the whole entire world. As we're watching what is going 47 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:32.519 on in the Middle East, we're also gonna hear Uh 48 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:41.639 claims that Iran is also attempting to to take over 49 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:49.240 Lebanon by the Israelis in a conversation has had on 50 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:56.839 the UN Security Council floor where the Palestinian ambassador Uh 51 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:03.680 is asking for help for for the people and refugee 52 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:12.600 status as well as humanitarian efforts, claiming that there are 53 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:21.680 legitimate needs and that the Palestinian people themselves just simply 54 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:25.120 need need the help and deserve the help and deserve 55 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:35.040 a safe place of to live on while the Israeli 56 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:40.920 ambassador is claiming that they that they need to push forward, 57 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.439 be allowed to push forward with the fight that they 58 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:52.000 have started since October seventh, saying that there are legitimate 59 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.720 enemies and need to push forward to push their enemies 60 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:01.480 out out of their out of their way, so that 61 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:07.279 them as a country are out of harm's way. Then, 62 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:12.240 coming back to Canada, we're gonna hear about a minister 63 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:20.600 who had once made claims to be increate and he 64 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:26.120 has changed his his ancestry, his rights to his ancestry, 65 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:34.639 away from being indigenous. He has also been Minister Benzant 66 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:40.920 was also asked to resign his position because of his 67 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:49.240 change in claims. While I think that if you're going 68 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:52.600 to claim indigenous status that you should be very careful 69 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:56.519 about doing so, at the same time that we can't 70 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:03.639 allow the hunt for legitimacy in Indigenous rights to become 71 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:10.800 a witch hunt. That witch hunt could lead to other 72 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:18.079 issues that would carry Canada down back down a road 73 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:23.240 towards a new path or a new road towards UH 74 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:29.560 possible genocide against the Indigenous people, which we've come so 75 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:39.279 far forward with reconciliation, that we forming a witch hunt 76 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:45.840 to find out who legitimately has UH Indigenous claims to 77 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:51.720 the land who doesn't, to the point where where we 78 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:57.159 are firing a minister who has or has not done anything, 79 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.519 he's just following the stories that are passed down from 80 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:11.080 his family. We need to simply be careful with how 81 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:17.639 we tread through the mire of discovering who has Indigenous 82 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.519 rights to the land and how that is going to 83 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.919 be handled in the future. So why don't we start 84 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.879 off and we're going to listen to UNRA hear with 85 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:37.639 the UN developments in the UN Security Council, with Palestine 86 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:42.519 and Israel taking the floor and making claims and giving speeches, 87 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:48.799 and then we'll come back to Canada and hear about administure, 88 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.639 Banzant and other issues that are happening here in Canada. 89 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.080 Everybody, thank you so much for coming. Of course, mister 90 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.559 Philip Pleasarini, the Commissioner General of Honor, I. 91 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:11.279 Will speak to you. 92 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.360 He will make some brief remarks and then we'll be 93 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:17.840 happy to take your questions. Please go ahead, mister Lasarini, 94 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:18.759 just put your mic on. 95 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.879 Thank you, Thank you so much, and good afternoon. I 96 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:29.559 think each time I meet you, I usually share I 97 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:34.720 would say black or green information with you. Each time, 98 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:38.440 I believe that we might have reached the worst the 99 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:43.720 agency good experience. But I have to say that things 100 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:49.000 have gone even more since the last time we meta. 101 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.720 Since the last time we meta, as you know, they 102 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:59.559 have been the adoption of legislation in Israel aiming at 103 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:05.679 this smantling the agency activities in the entire occupied Palestine 104 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:12.080 territories meaning Gaza, meaning Easiers, meaning also the West Bank. 105 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:16.279 So I have returned to the President of the General Assembly. 106 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.399 I know that you have changed this letter. I briefed 107 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:23.159 the General Assembly last week. I briefed today at the 108 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:29.080 Force Committee, and I reminded. I basically told them that 109 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:35.120 we are experiencing the darkest moment for the agency in 110 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:41.240 seventy five years. I think you are very familiar with 111 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:46.960 the attack. The agency has been under attack against the staff. 112 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.480 As of today, two hundred and forty three staff have 113 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.200 been killed. The attack on the premises, the attack on 114 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.840 the operation. But in addition of data, they have been 115 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:06.360 in an aggressive campaign of disinformation, breaching out of a 116 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:14.159 donor capital to delegitimize the agency. And the latest development 117 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:18.720 has been the adoption of the Knessed Bill. 118 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:20.000 Today. 119 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.240 In my briefing, I told the member of the Foster 120 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:29.759 Committee that in fact, onwar is a casualty of this 121 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:37.120 war led to no mistake. The intention to undermine the 122 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:43.600 agency are politically motivated. They have nothing to do with 123 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:50.600 breaches of neutrality. Breaches of neutralities are being handled seriously 124 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.840 by the agency. I acknowledge that we are not operating 125 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:59.480 in a zero risk environment, but we are operating with 126 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:04.840 a zero tolerance environment. In fact, I was also reminding 127 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:10.320 the member of the first Committee today that ANOIR is 128 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:17.960 a softer target for anyone who views its presence or 129 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.559 its activities as a threat. 130 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.840 And this has also been the case. 131 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.480 Over the last few years with HAMASA, who has seen 132 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:34.440 the agency has a threat through its education system, through 133 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:39.200 the factor that we have promoted gender equality, through the 134 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:44.279 factor that we have issued code of ectica for the staffer, 135 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:50.000 or whenever, for example, the agency organized some camp bringing 136 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:55.799 girls and boys together for art, music and sport, and 137 00:13:55.960 --> 00:14:03.639 this usually was done. This fight adverse reaction and quite 138 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:09.639 regularly also one especially that comesen and its senior management. 139 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:17.279 We're also accused of colluding with the occupying power, the 140 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:22.519 same way we hear that the agency is colluding or 141 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:27.960 infiltrated by HAMAS. So this morning I wanted also to 142 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:35.399 put to give to clean the record on this. I 143 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:40.639 also reminded that you know and you heard it, I 144 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:44.039 guess from many of my colleagues and also the spokesperson, 145 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:51.120 there is no alternative to UNA in the context of 146 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:55.000 the occupied perditioner territories. I keep being asked but why 147 00:14:55.120 --> 00:15:00.720 is it that is irreplacable? Now, it is true that 148 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:05.159 there is a tendency to bring down the discussion through 149 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.799 what I would say and pure humaniturn lands. How many 150 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:14.480 trucks are going into Gaza, and in fact the trucks 151 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:17.639 being brought in by ON could be brought in by 152 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:18.840 anyone else. 153 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:21.600 And this is true. There is absolutely no doubt. 154 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:26.919 You don't even need ON to operate in a large scale, complex, 155 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:31.919 humitant crisis like Sudan for example. We are not present 156 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.639 and we will not be present. But what makes us irrepressible? 157 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:40.840 It's the nature to start the nature of our activities. 158 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:47.039 We are providing education to hundreds of thousands of girls 159 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:51.799 and boys. Will was today's school in Gaza is nothing 160 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:57.399 else than the robin? If you get rid of an 161 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:03.519 agency like ours, what will happen once we have a ceasefire? 162 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.720 Who will bring back the hundreds of thousands of girls 163 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.799 and boys are currently living in the rubble into a 164 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:20.799 learning environment. Only a functioning state can provide this education. 165 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.720 I know that when it comes to primary health, the 166 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:31.559 same question are being asked. We have such a footprint, 167 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:37.960 such an experience, such a know how of the collectivities 168 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.440 we are serving that today in Gaza, or at least 169 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:47.519 before October seventh, eighty percent of the population dependent was 170 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.879 completely dependent on our primary healthcare. And even today we 171 00:16:53.039 --> 00:17:00.000 continue to provide sixteen thousand consultations a day millions of consumers. 172 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.160 Since the beginning of the war. There is not really 173 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.680 anyone who will be realated to do this. 174 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:13.559 So hence, if on One cannot operate, that means the 175 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:18.680 UN will not be able to operate and to provide. 176 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:20.440 These critical services. 177 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:25.200 And in that case, the only alternative and option is 178 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.720 that the owners and the responsibility goes back to the 179 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:35.960 occupying power, meaning that Israel will be responsible to provide 180 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:41.119 these critical services. It's not only Gather which is at stake, 181 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.279 but we have also the rest of the West Bank 182 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:49.359 and is Jerusalem. Only in the West Bank, we have 183 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:53.279 fifty thousand children in our school and we have about 184 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:59.839 half a million people who are using our primary health services. 185 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.759 I also told Member Stata that today there is a 186 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:11.119 very deep, deep, deep sense of anxiety, not only within 187 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.119 the communities that we are serving, not knowing if the 188 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:19.240 lifeline will still prevail, but we have also a deep 189 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:24.880 anxiety among our staff. Starting with the seventeen thousand staffer 190 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:30.000 that we have today in the West Bank in Gaza. 191 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:31.599 But in addition of. 192 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:38.079 Data, there is also an environment which is putting our 193 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:44.720 staff even more at risk. I had there was this 194 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:50.799 week a situation where there was a secretary operation taking 195 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:57.359 place in northern West Bank. Secretary forces entered into a 196 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:02.680 house all of suddenly realize that the female staff member 197 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:10.559 works for UNOIR. She was then interrogated, intimidated, forced to 198 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.720 hand over the computer and provide access to the computer 199 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:20.039 and to all the information in She was blindfolded, brought 200 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:26.559 out of the house for six hours for interrogation because 201 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:32.880 she was accused of working for a terrorist organization. And 202 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:38.240 I'm afraid that much worse has to come if we 203 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:45.480 have this pervasive environment. Let me just end by telling 204 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.759 you what and I think some of you heard it obviously, 205 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:56.119 But to retreate my ask to the Member States, the 206 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:01.039 first one is we have to make sure that these 207 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:05.720 laws are not implemented. They have been indoorsed, they have 208 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.960 been adopted. Now it's up to the government to decide 209 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.480 if they will implement these snows and if they implement 210 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:21.119 this snows within which timeframe. Secondly, I believe that it 211 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:26.440 is important that the question of a be addressed within 212 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:28.920 a political framework. 213 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.480 Any transition leading or. 214 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:39.359 Any political passway, political passway leading to two state solution 215 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:48.000 should delineate the role of an agency like ours being 216 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:54.079 primarily providing education and health services until the day there 217 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:58.279 is a lasting solution where we can properly hand over 218 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:06.359 this activity to empower the Palestinian institution. Thirdly, meanwhile, we 219 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:11.160 need the political support and financial supporter, calling on member 220 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.960 state make sure that you do not use the pretext 221 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:19.759 of the law to delay the financial supporter to the agency. 222 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:22.960 And as but not least, you heard me now a 223 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:30.519 few times, by attacking UN, we attack the United Nations, 224 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:36.839 we attack, we defy the General Assembly under Security Council. 225 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:42.359 And basically through this we are also further weakening the 226 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:47.279 rule based order that we have inheritated after World War Two, 227 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:53.000 and it's really time to deploy all our political and 228 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.160 legal capital to prevent this to happen. 229 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:01.799 I think I will stop here and sorry if we're 230 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:03.079 not sharing better news. 231 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.519 Thank you so much. Let's start. Let's start with the EADI. 232 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.359 Thank you very much on behalf of the United Nations 233 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:17.680 Correspondence Association for doing this briefing mister Lazarini on Edith 234 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:24.079 Letterer from the Associated Press. You said, just now and 235 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:31.880 also to the Fourth Committee, that UN members need to 236 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:37.319 use and I quote, all the legal and political tools 237 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:44.440 at their disposal to ensure that the international rules based 238 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:50.519 order is upheld. Can you elaborate on that. Does this 239 00:22:51.119 --> 00:23:00.559 include to an international court or a national court to 240 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:07.640 try to stop the implementation of the Israeli laws adopted 241 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:13.160 by its parliament before they take effect? 242 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:22.279 Thank you, thank you, Yes, all possible avenues. Among the 243 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:27.400 different avenues you have also the ICG, they can be 244 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:36.160 a questioned being raised submitted about the legality of these laws, 245 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:41.160 especially after the ICG has ruled out that the occupation 246 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.799 is illegal and calling on Israel to put an end 247 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:51.240 to the occupation. So that's an avenue. But now also 248 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:59.079 you know national national legislation which can also be We 249 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:04.759 have seen for example months ago that a letter was 250 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:10.000 sent by the US State Department and under the Defense 251 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:15.240 Secretary to the Israeli referring to a national law and 252 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:22.240 expecting that the situation in Gaza be improved and also 253 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:24.680 calling for. 254 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:26.920 Not to be. 255 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.680 Not to be further the legitimize so the point I 256 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:36.680 want to make here is that there are number of 257 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:42.079 already existing tools which can be used and others avenue 258 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:46.720 which still need to be pursued. And I know today 259 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.720 that there are number of discussion among member states wondering 260 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.519 what more needs to be undertaken. 261 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:59.880 I just follow up saying, obviously there isn't a lot 262 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:05.720 of time. How far advanced are these talks? And do 263 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:08.640 you expect any action in the coming weeks? 264 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:14.160 Well, I keep asking, I mean, you know, we had 265 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:21.160 a we we have observed and witnessed an extraordinary mobilization recently, 266 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:27.599 a number of condemnation outrage. We even had last week 267 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:32.200 a statement from the fifteen member of the Secretary Council, 268 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:38.440 which nowadays is rare, so it was definitely welcome. And 269 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:44.480 my call is make sure that this outrage and these 270 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:50.640 walls be now translated into action. So I would I 271 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:56.559 wish to be clear, really, I am still hopeful that 272 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.559 we will find a passway to prevent the slow to 273 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:05.079 be implemented. But by answering, Zaisha, I do not know 274 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.160 to which extend it is just wishful thinking. 275 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.960 Thank you, Bisan, thank. 276 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.480 You very much. 277 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:15.000 Be sign up quick with our Jaziero Arabic. I have 278 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.160 two quick questions. I mean, we have this legislation they 279 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:19.960 can asset. But now in the US we have a 280 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.960 new administration and a new composition in the US Congress, 281 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:28.880 and Honora had been attacked by many Republican lawmakers in 282 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.319 the past. How concerned are you with this new administration 283 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.880 that further measures might be taken here in the US 284 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.200 towards Honorable either in Congress or by the new administration itself. 285 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.839 And the second question is you mentioned that should be 286 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:48.119 part of a political solution, a two state solution. I mean, 287 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:50.640 how viable is a political and two state solution at 288 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:54.119 this point in your opinion, especially with statements that we 289 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.640 have heard in Israel about the annexation of the West Bank. 290 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:10.519 We just comment because I don't have a proper answer. 291 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:15.440 I guess you know, we are in a new situation 292 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:17.079 of just need. It's an understatement. 293 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:23.119 In every new situation we might see also new opportunities 294 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.000 to which extend. Is it realistic to talk about a 295 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:31.440 two state solution? For the time being, the two state 296 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:38.279 solution remains. The international community and United Nations positioned about 297 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:44.240 how to promote a solution on the Palestinan question in 298 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:50.880 the region. We hear also that the new administration has 299 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:55.960 made the promoting peace a priority in the region. When 300 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:01.400 we talk about peace, we talk also about out normalization. 301 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.960 And when we talk about normalization, we also heard the 302 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:13.799 true state solution remains an important condition for any lasting normalization. 303 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:19.039 So if you put all this element together, I believe 304 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:24.039 that would this be the pastway, that in this pastway 305 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:31.480 would have certainly a positive role to play to make 306 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.559 it happen if there. 307 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.599 Is a fearm and genuine desire. 308 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:48.519 Two to once for all address the Palestinian question, the 309 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:58.680 second question what sorry, so it was? I answered, okay, yeah, okay, okay. 310 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.279 Let's go to Maggie the nat Hahmit. 311 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:05.279 Hello, mister Lazzarini, It's Margaret Bashir with Voice of America. 312 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.680 We know courts move slowly, we know the international community 313 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.680 moves slowly. As Edie said, you've got you know, less 314 00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:17.440 than three months now before this legislation is likely to 315 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.720 go into effect. So what are your plans for operating 316 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.079 in Gaza and the West Bank after that? I mean, 317 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.480 do you think you can still work come January? 318 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:28.240 Could you have you. 319 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.799 Spoken to Egypt or Jordan about them giving you some 320 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:35.319 access into those territories, or would it be completely out 321 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.880 of the question for you to continue to operate once 322 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:39.359 the legislation goes into effect. 323 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:46.599 The simple and short answer is we will be operating 324 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:52.319 until the day we cannot operate anymore. So our determination 325 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:59.480 is not to give into our mandate to deliver services, 326 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.839 and we will deliver the services until we are forced 327 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:10.319 to stop the services. When will it be, I hope 328 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:16.880 never Now What will happen after the ninety days, I 329 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.119 do not have a straight answer. I think very few 330 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:26.440 of us know. If we have a no contact police 331 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.359 in a place like a gaza, that means we will 332 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:35.720 not be able to deconflict or coordinate any of our movement. 333 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:42.599 So it will make operation extraordinary challenging, but it will 334 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:47.680 not prevent at least at the beginning, staff operating in 335 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.599 a given shelter in a gaza to continue to provide 336 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:57.880 a primary healthcare, for example. They might be prevented once 337 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.759 stocks are completely and we are not able to bring 338 00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:05.680 back the stock, so there will not be normally a 339 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:11.200 clear cutting point. But after ninety days, what we hear 340 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.119 for the time being in data that will put an 341 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.880 end to the no contact policy, and question is how 342 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.599 will the new contact policy be interpreted? What does it 343 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.640 mean to start with is with international stuff? Can we 344 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.160 still yes or not apply and get a visa? I 345 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.200 don't have an answer for this as of today. 346 00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.559 Thank you, okay Deji Abdurrahmit. 347 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.440 And then Evelyn himistar as arenilect you with Chinnel Central Television. 348 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:46.279 Two quick questions. First, have you have you talked to 349 00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:51.000 Ambassador the know of Israel directly because he today he 350 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.200 taught to us. He said that he urged you to resign. 351 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.799 Do you think that would make a difference. And secondly 352 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.279 you said that the request from Israel to dismas Arnwa 353 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.920 it's a political motivation. It's political motivated, it's not really 354 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.680 humanitarian or other things. So can you remind us what's 355 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.039 the importance of honor politically speaking and why Israel wants 356 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.039 to dismantle on what politically speaking? Thank you. 357 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:25.079 I did not have a bilateral meeting with Ambassador Danon. 358 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.599 He made a call this morning at the Fance Committee 359 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.839 asking me to resign in shame. 360 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.079 And basically. 361 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:45.480 My answer to this is that if my person would 362 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.960 really make a difference, this is certainly something I should envisage. 363 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.839 But I don't think it is my person which is attack. 364 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.920 It is my function. It is a Commissioner General which 365 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:02.160 is primarily targeted to and it is part of this 366 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:08.680 broader campaign to delegitimize the agency. And on this leads 367 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.279 me to the second part of your question, why is 368 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:19.039 it political? The objective is to strip the Palestinian from 369 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:24.839 the refugee statue and also to unilaterally change the parameters 370 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:28.240 for a political solution. It's a way to undermine the 371 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:33.039 future aspiration of the Palestinian for self determination. It's a 372 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:36.240 way to undermine and to bury once for all, the 373 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:41.400 tow STA solution. We have also seen that it's not 374 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:45.400 just on War which has been targeted. Any voices in 375 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:50.559 the region supporting the Palestinian authorities, supporting the pastway offer 376 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:55.359 to state solution started to be phased out. We have 377 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.200 seen it with some UN agencies. We have seen it 378 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.240 even with a member STATA diploma matter have been asked 379 00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:03.759 to leave. 380 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.359 And also and here. 381 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.920 I was clear also with the False Committee and the 382 00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:16.440 General Assembly last week, it is completely false to believe 383 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:22.360 that if the agency stops the provision of its services 384 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.199 that this will end the statue of the Palestine refugees. 385 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.719 The statue of the Palestine refugees is confirmed through the 386 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.199 resolution Geer Resolution one nine four on has been created 387 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.760 later on to provide services to the refugees. Hence the 388 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.760 right of the right of return remains in train in 389 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.360 the resolution one nine four and it has nothing to 390 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.440 do with the provision of services of UNIR. But we 391 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:58.880 have heard once the legislative text has been adopted number 392 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.880 of a politic who were driving this at texts saying 393 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:08.159 this is a chance in a generation to put an 394 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.639 end once for all to refugee statue and also to 395 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:13.360 victim mood. 396 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.000 Okay, Adam, please. 397 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.360 Go ahead, thank you, mister Lazarini. After Hamis, I am 398 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:23.639 from the Arabic Daily. Many of the questions I want 399 00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.840 to raise had already been raised, especially asking you to 400 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:32.239 resign by Danny Danna. And my question is about the 401 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.920