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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Michael Kloggs. In today's episode, we're going
Speaker 1: to hear well RA as it's put in its darkest days,
Speaker 1: it's darkest moment for the agency. In seventy five years
Speaker 1: October seventh, twenty twenty three, there were members of ARA
Speaker 1: who participated in the kidnapping of Israeli people and helped
Speaker 1: the Hamas hold these people hostage. And for those few
Speaker 1: who actually did participate in the activity, they found their
Speaker 1: way into ANRA so that they could do harm to people.
Speaker 1: That that is actually shameful and there should be some
Speaker 1: accountability for such actions. But does that mean that the
Speaker 1: whole organization needs to be torn apart and labeled a
Speaker 1: terrorist organization? Does it mean that all the work that
Speaker 1: they did to help the Palestinian refugees and all of
Speaker 1: the work that they have done to provide humanitarian efforts
Speaker 1: to be thrown out out the door? That is a
Speaker 1: huge question, And yet we're watching it happen even as
Speaker 1: I'm putting together this podcast that the United Nations in
Speaker 1: the global community is discussing at this time how to
Speaker 1: take apart ANRA and in the services to the Palestinian
Speaker 1: people that are provided by this organization, and they have
Speaker 1: been been provided by this organization for a little more
Speaker 1: than seven decades.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: The one of the spokespeople for UNRA and leadership of UNRA,
Speaker 1: the Commissioner of General philipp Lazzarini, on November thirteenth said
Speaker 1: the objective campaign to delegitimateize the agency is to stop
Speaker 1: the Palestinian from refugee status, to undermine the and to
Speaker 1: bury once and for all the two state solution is
Speaker 1: the dismantling of UNRA a purely political.
Speaker 3: Task.
Speaker 1: Are the actions that they're taking only political or there
Speaker 1: are some legitimate reasons for putting an end to UNRA
Speaker 1: because it is legitimately a terrorist organization or are we
Speaker 1: calling it or trying to call it a terrorist organization
Speaker 1: for political gain and for colonial gain in the Middle East?
Speaker 1: Something to actually think about and and it's as the people,
Speaker 1: can we take some sort of action to get our
Speaker 1: governments to actually put forth money to help UNRA continue
Speaker 1: their mission to the Palestinian people. The Palestinian refugees and
Speaker 1: provide humanitarian efforts to these sane people so that a
Speaker 1: two state solution can actually be found. That is a
Speaker 1: huge question and a and a burden for for for
Speaker 1: the whole entire world. As we're watching what is going
Speaker 1: on in the Middle East, we're also gonna hear Uh
Speaker 1: claims that Iran is also attempting to to take over
Speaker 1: Lebanon by the Israelis in a conversation has had on
Speaker 1: the UN Security Council floor where the Palestinian ambassador Uh
Speaker 1: is asking for help for for the people and refugee
Speaker 1: status as well as humanitarian efforts, claiming that there are
Speaker 1: legitimate needs and that the Palestinian people themselves just simply
Speaker 1: need need the help and deserve the help and deserve
Speaker 1: a safe place of to live on while the Israeli
Speaker 1: ambassador is claiming that they that they need to push forward,
Speaker 1: be allowed to push forward with the fight that they
Speaker 1: have started since October seventh, saying that there are legitimate
Speaker 1: enemies and need to push forward to push their enemies
Speaker 1: out out of their out of their way, so that
Speaker 1: them as a country are out of harm's way. Then,
Speaker 1: coming back to Canada, we're gonna hear about a minister
Speaker 1: who had once made claims to be increate and he
Speaker 1: has changed his his ancestry, his rights to his ancestry,
Speaker 1: away from being indigenous. He has also been Minister Benzant
Speaker 1: was also asked to resign his position because of his
Speaker 1: change in claims. While I think that if you're going
Speaker 1: to claim indigenous status that you should be very careful
Speaker 1: about doing so, at the same time that we can't
Speaker 1: allow the hunt for legitimacy in Indigenous rights to become
Speaker 1: a witch hunt. That witch hunt could lead to other
Speaker 1: issues that would carry Canada down back down a road
Speaker 1: towards a new path or a new road towards UH
Speaker 1: possible genocide against the Indigenous people, which we've come so
Speaker 1: far forward with reconciliation, that we forming a witch hunt
Speaker 1: to find out who legitimately has UH Indigenous claims to
Speaker 1: the land who doesn't, to the point where where we
Speaker 1: are firing a minister who has or has not done anything,
Speaker 1: he's just following the stories that are passed down from
Speaker 1: his family. We need to simply be careful with how
Speaker 1: we tread through the mire of discovering who has Indigenous
Speaker 1: rights to the land and how that is going to
Speaker 1: be handled in the future. So why don't we start
Speaker 1: off and we're going to listen to UNRA hear with
Speaker 1: the UN developments in the UN Security Council, with Palestine
Speaker 1: and Israel taking the floor and making claims and giving speeches,
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back to Canada and hear about administure,
Speaker 1: Banzant and other issues that are happening here in Canada.
Speaker 4: Everybody, thank you so much for coming. Of course, mister
Speaker 4: Philip Pleasarini, the Commissioner General of Honor, I.
Speaker 3: Will speak to you.
Speaker 4: He will make some brief remarks and then we'll be
Speaker 4: happy to take your questions. Please go ahead, mister Lasarini,
Speaker 4: just put your mic on.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you so much, and good afternoon. I
Speaker 5: think each time I meet you, I usually share I
Speaker 5: would say black or green information with you. Each time,
Speaker 5: I believe that we might have reached the worst the
Speaker 5: agency good experience. But I have to say that things
Speaker 5: have gone even more since the last time we meta.
Speaker 5: Since the last time we meta, as you know, they
Speaker 5: have been the adoption of legislation in Israel aiming at
Speaker 5: this smantling the agency activities in the entire occupied Palestine
Speaker 5: territories meaning Gaza, meaning Easiers, meaning also the West Bank.
Speaker 5: So I have returned to the President of the General Assembly.
Speaker 5: I know that you have changed this letter. I briefed
Speaker 5: the General Assembly last week. I briefed today at the
Speaker 5: Force Committee, and I reminded. I basically told them that
Speaker 5: we are experiencing the darkest moment for the agency in
Speaker 5: seventy five years. I think you are very familiar with
Speaker 5: the attack. The agency has been under attack against the staff.
Speaker 5: As of today, two hundred and forty three staff have
Speaker 5: been killed. The attack on the premises, the attack on
Speaker 5: the operation. But in addition of data, they have been
Speaker 5: in an aggressive campaign of disinformation, breaching out of a
Speaker 5: donor capital to delegitimize the agency. And the latest development
Speaker 5: has been the adoption of the Knessed Bill.
Speaker 3: Today.
Speaker 5: In my briefing, I told the member of the Foster
Speaker 5: Committee that in fact, onwar is a casualty of this
Speaker 5: war led to no mistake. The intention to undermine the
Speaker 5: agency are politically motivated. They have nothing to do with
Speaker 5: breaches of neutrality. Breaches of neutralities are being handled seriously
Speaker 5: by the agency. I acknowledge that we are not operating
Speaker 5: in a zero risk environment, but we are operating with
Speaker 5: a zero tolerance environment. In fact, I was also reminding
Speaker 5: the member of the first Committee today that ANOIR is
Speaker 5: a softer target for anyone who views its presence or
Speaker 5: its activities as a threat.
Speaker 3: And this has also been the case.
Speaker 5: Over the last few years with HAMASA, who has seen
Speaker 5: the agency has a threat through its education system, through
Speaker 5: the factor that we have promoted gender equality, through the
Speaker 5: factor that we have issued code of ectica for the staffer,
Speaker 5: or whenever, for example, the agency organized some camp bringing
Speaker 5: girls and boys together for art, music and sport, and
Speaker 5: this usually was done. This fight adverse reaction and quite
Speaker 5: regularly also one especially that comesen and its senior management.
Speaker 5: We're also accused of colluding with the occupying power, the
Speaker 5: same way we hear that the agency is colluding or
Speaker 5: infiltrated by HAMAS. So this morning I wanted also to
Speaker 5: put to give to clean the record on this. I
Speaker 5: also reminded that you know and you heard it, I
Speaker 5: guess from many of my colleagues and also the spokesperson,
Speaker 5: there is no alternative to UNA in the context of
Speaker 5: the occupied perditioner territories. I keep being asked but why
Speaker 5: is it that is irreplacable? Now, it is true that
Speaker 5: there is a tendency to bring down the discussion through
Speaker 5: what I would say and pure humaniturn lands. How many
Speaker 5: trucks are going into Gaza, and in fact the trucks
Speaker 5: being brought in by ON could be brought in by
Speaker 5: anyone else.
Speaker 3: And this is true. There is absolutely no doubt.
Speaker 5: You don't even need ON to operate in a large scale, complex,
Speaker 5: humitant crisis like Sudan for example. We are not present
Speaker 5: and we will not be present. But what makes us irrepressible?
Speaker 5: It's the nature to start the nature of our activities.
Speaker 5: We are providing education to hundreds of thousands of girls
Speaker 5: and boys. Will was today's school in Gaza is nothing
Speaker 5: else than the robin? If you get rid of an
Speaker 5: agency like ours, what will happen once we have a ceasefire?
Speaker 5: Who will bring back the hundreds of thousands of girls
Speaker 5: and boys are currently living in the rubble into a
Speaker 5: learning environment. Only a functioning state can provide this education.
Speaker 5: I know that when it comes to primary health, the
Speaker 5: same question are being asked. We have such a footprint,
Speaker 5: such an experience, such a know how of the collectivities
Speaker 5: we are serving that today in Gaza, or at least
Speaker 5: before October seventh, eighty percent of the population dependent was
Speaker 5: completely dependent on our primary healthcare. And even today we
Speaker 5: continue to provide sixteen thousand consultations a day millions of consumers.
Speaker 3: Since the beginning of the war. There is not really
Speaker 3: anyone who will be realated to do this.
Speaker 5: So hence, if on One cannot operate, that means the
Speaker 5: UN will not be able to operate and to provide.
Speaker 3: These critical services.
Speaker 5: And in that case, the only alternative and option is
Speaker 5: that the owners and the responsibility goes back to the
Speaker 5: occupying power, meaning that Israel will be responsible to provide
Speaker 5: these critical services. It's not only Gather which is at stake,
Speaker 5: but we have also the rest of the West Bank
Speaker 5: and is Jerusalem. Only in the West Bank, we have
Speaker 5: fifty thousand children in our school and we have about
Speaker 5: half a million people who are using our primary health services.
Speaker 5: I also told Member Stata that today there is a
Speaker 5: very deep, deep, deep sense of anxiety, not only within
Speaker 5: the communities that we are serving, not knowing if the
Speaker 5: lifeline will still prevail, but we have also a deep
Speaker 5: anxiety among our staff. Starting with the seventeen thousand staffer
Speaker 5: that we have today in the West Bank in Gaza.
Speaker 3: But in addition of.
Speaker 5: Data, there is also an environment which is putting our
Speaker 5: staff even more at risk. I had there was this
Speaker 5: week a situation where there was a secretary operation taking
Speaker 5: place in northern West Bank. Secretary forces entered into a
Speaker 5: house all of suddenly realize that the female staff member
Speaker 5: works for UNOIR. She was then interrogated, intimidated, forced to
Speaker 5: hand over the computer and provide access to the computer
Speaker 5: and to all the information in She was blindfolded, brought
Speaker 5: out of the house for six hours for interrogation because
Speaker 5: she was accused of working for a terrorist organization. And
Speaker 5: I'm afraid that much worse has to come if we
Speaker 5: have this pervasive environment. Let me just end by telling
Speaker 5: you what and I think some of you heard it obviously,
Speaker 5: But to retreate my ask to the Member States, the
Speaker 5: first one is we have to make sure that these
Speaker 5: laws are not implemented. They have been indoorsed, they have
Speaker 5: been adopted. Now it's up to the government to decide
Speaker 5: if they will implement these snows and if they implement
Speaker 5: this snows within which timeframe. Secondly, I believe that it
Speaker 5: is important that the question of a be addressed within
Speaker 5: a political framework.
Speaker 3: Any transition leading or.
Speaker 5: Any political passway, political passway leading to two state solution
Speaker 5: should delineate the role of an agency like ours being
Speaker 5: primarily providing education and health services until the day there
Speaker 5: is a lasting solution where we can properly hand over
Speaker 5: this activity to empower the Palestinian institution. Thirdly, meanwhile, we
Speaker 5: need the political support and financial supporter, calling on member
Speaker 5: state make sure that you do not use the pretext
Speaker 5: of the law to delay the financial supporter to the agency.
Speaker 5: And as but not least, you heard me now a
Speaker 5: few times, by attacking UN, we attack the United Nations,
Speaker 5: we attack, we defy the General Assembly under Security Council.
Speaker 5: And basically through this we are also further weakening the
Speaker 5: rule based order that we have inheritated after World War Two,
Speaker 5: and it's really time to deploy all our political and
Speaker 5: legal capital to prevent this to happen.
Speaker 3: I think I will stop here and sorry if we're
Speaker 3: not sharing better news.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Let's start. Let's start with the EADI.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much on behalf of the United Nations
Speaker 6: Correspondence Association for doing this briefing mister Lazarini on Edith
Speaker 6: Letterer from the Associated Press. You said, just now and
Speaker 6: also to the Fourth Committee, that UN members need to
Speaker 6: use and I quote, all the legal and political tools
Speaker 6: at their disposal to ensure that the international rules based
Speaker 6: order is upheld. Can you elaborate on that. Does this
Speaker 6: include to an international court or a national court to
Speaker 6: try to stop the implementation of the Israeli laws adopted
Speaker 6: by its parliament before they take effect?
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, Yes, all possible avenues. Among the
Speaker 5: different avenues you have also the ICG, they can be
Speaker 5: a questioned being raised submitted about the legality of these laws,
Speaker 5: especially after the ICG has ruled out that the occupation
Speaker 5: is illegal and calling on Israel to put an end
Speaker 5: to the occupation. So that's an avenue. But now also
Speaker 5: you know national national legislation which can also be We
Speaker 5: have seen for example months ago that a letter was
Speaker 5: sent by the US State Department and under the Defense
Speaker 5: Secretary to the Israeli referring to a national law and
Speaker 5: expecting that the situation in Gaza be improved and also
Speaker 5: calling for.
Speaker 7: Not to be.
Speaker 5: Not to be further the legitimize so the point I
Speaker 5: want to make here is that there are number of
Speaker 5: already existing tools which can be used and others avenue
Speaker 5: which still need to be pursued. And I know today
Speaker 5: that there are number of discussion among member states wondering
Speaker 5: what more needs to be undertaken.
Speaker 6: I just follow up saying, obviously there isn't a lot
Speaker 6: of time. How far advanced are these talks? And do
Speaker 6: you expect any action in the coming weeks?
Speaker 5: Well, I keep asking, I mean, you know, we had
Speaker 5: a we we have observed and witnessed an extraordinary mobilization recently,
Speaker 5: a number of condemnation outrage. We even had last week
Speaker 5: a statement from the fifteen member of the Secretary Council,
Speaker 5: which nowadays is rare, so it was definitely welcome. And
Speaker 5: my call is make sure that this outrage and these
Speaker 5: walls be now translated into action. So I would I
Speaker 5: wish to be clear, really, I am still hopeful that
Speaker 5: we will find a passway to prevent the slow to
Speaker 5: be implemented. But by answering, Zaisha, I do not know
Speaker 5: to which extend it is just wishful thinking.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Bisan, thank.
Speaker 8: You very much.
Speaker 9: Be sign up quick with our Jaziero Arabic. I have
Speaker 9: two quick questions. I mean, we have this legislation they
Speaker 9: can asset. But now in the US we have a
Speaker 9: new administration and a new composition in the US Congress,
Speaker 9: and Honora had been attacked by many Republican lawmakers in
Speaker 9: the past. How concerned are you with this new administration
Speaker 9: that further measures might be taken here in the US
Speaker 9: towards Honorable either in Congress or by the new administration itself.
Speaker 9: And the second question is you mentioned that should be
Speaker 9: part of a political solution, a two state solution. I mean,
Speaker 9: how viable is a political and two state solution at
Speaker 9: this point in your opinion, especially with statements that we
Speaker 9: have heard in Israel about the annexation of the West Bank.
Speaker 3: We just comment because I don't have a proper answer.
Speaker 3: I guess you know, we are in a new situation
Speaker 3: of just need. It's an understatement.
Speaker 5: In every new situation we might see also new opportunities
Speaker 5: to which extend. Is it realistic to talk about a
Speaker 5: two state solution? For the time being, the two state
Speaker 5: solution remains. The international community and United Nations positioned about
Speaker 5: how to promote a solution on the Palestinan question in
Speaker 5: the region. We hear also that the new administration has
Speaker 5: made the promoting peace a priority in the region. When
Speaker 5: we talk about peace, we talk also about out normalization.
Speaker 5: And when we talk about normalization, we also heard the
Speaker 5: true state solution remains an important condition for any lasting normalization.
Speaker 5: So if you put all this element together, I believe
Speaker 5: that would this be the pastway, that in this pastway
Speaker 5: would have certainly a positive role to play to make
Speaker 5: it happen if there.
Speaker 3: Is a fearm and genuine desire.
Speaker 5: Two to once for all address the Palestinian question, the
Speaker 5: second question what sorry, so it was? I answered, okay, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Let's go to Maggie the nat Hahmit.
Speaker 10: Hello, mister Lazzarini, It's Margaret Bashir with Voice of America.
Speaker 10: We know courts move slowly, we know the international community
Speaker 10: moves slowly. As Edie said, you've got you know, less
Speaker 10: than three months now before this legislation is likely to
Speaker 10: go into effect. So what are your plans for operating
Speaker 10: in Gaza and the West Bank after that? I mean,
Speaker 10: do you think you can still work come January?
Speaker 3: Could you have you.
Speaker 10: Spoken to Egypt or Jordan about them giving you some
Speaker 10: access into those territories, or would it be completely out
Speaker 10: of the question for you to continue to operate once
Speaker 10: the legislation goes into effect.
Speaker 5: The simple and short answer is we will be operating
Speaker 5: until the day we cannot operate anymore. So our determination
Speaker 5: is not to give into our mandate to deliver services,
Speaker 5: and we will deliver the services until we are forced
Speaker 5: to stop the services. When will it be, I hope
Speaker 5: never Now What will happen after the ninety days, I
Speaker 5: do not have a straight answer. I think very few
Speaker 5: of us know. If we have a no contact police
Speaker 5: in a place like a gaza, that means we will
Speaker 5: not be able to deconflict or coordinate any of our movement.
Speaker 5: So it will make operation extraordinary challenging, but it will
Speaker 5: not prevent at least at the beginning, staff operating in
Speaker 5: a given shelter in a gaza to continue to provide
Speaker 5: a primary healthcare, for example. They might be prevented once
Speaker 5: stocks are completely and we are not able to bring
Speaker 5: back the stock, so there will not be normally a
Speaker 5: clear cutting point. But after ninety days, what we hear
Speaker 5: for the time being in data that will put an
Speaker 5: end to the no contact policy, and question is how
Speaker 5: will the new contact policy be interpreted? What does it
Speaker 5: mean to start with is with international stuff? Can we
Speaker 5: still yes or not apply and get a visa? I
Speaker 5: don't have an answer for this as of today.
Speaker 4: Thank you, okay Deji Abdurrahmit.
Speaker 11: And then Evelyn himistar as arenilect you with Chinnel Central Television.
Speaker 11: Two quick questions. First, have you have you talked to
Speaker 11: Ambassador the know of Israel directly because he today he
Speaker 11: taught to us. He said that he urged you to resign.
Speaker 11: Do you think that would make a difference. And secondly
Speaker 11: you said that the request from Israel to dismas Arnwa
Speaker 11: it's a political motivation. It's political motivated, it's not really
Speaker 11: humanitarian or other things. So can you remind us what's
Speaker 11: the importance of honor politically speaking and why Israel wants
Speaker 11: to dismantle on what politically speaking? Thank you.
Speaker 5: I did not have a bilateral meeting with Ambassador Danon.
Speaker 5: He made a call this morning at the Fance Committee
Speaker 5: asking me to resign in shame.
Speaker 3: And basically.
Speaker 5: My answer to this is that if my person would
Speaker 5: really make a difference, this is certainly something I should envisage.
Speaker 5: But I don't think it is my person which is attack.
Speaker 5: It is my function. It is a Commissioner General which
Speaker 5: is primarily targeted to and it is part of this
Speaker 5: broader campaign to delegitimize the agency. And on this leads
Speaker 5: me to the second part of your question, why is
Speaker 5: it political? The objective is to strip the Palestinian from
Speaker 5: the refugee statue and also to unilaterally change the parameters
Speaker 5: for a political solution. It's a way to undermine the
Speaker 5: future aspiration of the Palestinian for self determination. It's a
Speaker 5: way to undermine and to bury once for all, the
Speaker 5: tow STA solution. We have also seen that it's not
Speaker 5: just on War which has been targeted. Any voices in
Speaker 5: the region supporting the Palestinian authorities, supporting the pastway offer
Speaker 5: to state solution started to be phased out. We have
Speaker 5: seen it with some UN agencies. We have seen it
Speaker 5: even with a member STATA diploma matter have been asked
Speaker 5: to leave.
Speaker 3: And also and here.
Speaker 5: I was clear also with the False Committee and the
Speaker 5: General Assembly last week, it is completely false to believe
Speaker 5: that if the agency stops the provision of its services
Speaker 5: that this will end the statue of the Palestine refugees.
Speaker 5: The statue of the Palestine refugees is confirmed through the
Speaker 5: resolution Geer Resolution one nine four on has been created
Speaker 5: later on to provide services to the refugees. Hence the
Speaker 5: right of the right of return remains in train in
Speaker 5: the resolution one nine four and it has nothing to
Speaker 5: do with the provision of services of UNIR. But we
Speaker 5: have heard once the legislative text has been adopted number
Speaker 5: of a politic who were driving this at texts saying
Speaker 5: this is a chance in a generation to put an
Speaker 5: end once for all to refugee statue and also to
Speaker 5: victim mood.
Speaker 4: Okay, Adam, please.
Speaker 12: Go ahead, thank you, mister Lazarini. After Hamis, I am
Speaker 12: from the Arabic Daily. Many of the questions I want
Speaker 12: to raise had already been raised, especially asking you to
Speaker 12: resign by Danny Danna. And my question is about the
Speaker 12: day after are you prepared to put a plan to
Speaker 12: cover the shortages in financial support to Honora once we
Speaker 12: see the new administration cutting off completely the support for Honora,
Speaker 12: and of course some of the Israeli supporters also might
Speaker 12: do the same. So what is your plan to fill
Speaker 12: the gap and the budgetary crisis you might be facing.
Speaker 12: And my second question, with that affect the operation of
Speaker 12: Onorua and the other duty stations like Jordan, Lebanon and Syria,
Speaker 12: how is the operation will be affected by this Israeli decision?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: You know my first objective right now is to safeguard
Speaker 5: the agency and its ability to operate through a number
Speaker 5: of I would say political diplomatic intervention because we have to,
Speaker 5: and that was my ask to the Member States. Use
Speaker 5: all your inference to make sure that these laws are
Speaker 5: not adapted, implemented and once the snows are put on hold,
Speaker 5: to shield the role of the agency in any political transition.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, you're right and haven't talked
Speaker 5: about finance. You were used to hear me talking about
Speaker 5: finance until now. But our financial situation remains very dire.
Speaker 5: I still do not have the funding to end the year,
Speaker 5: so I still have forty five days to find the
Speaker 5: financial supporter to be able to pay the salary of
Speaker 5: our thirty thousand stuff across the region. Now the beginning
Speaker 5: of next year, the expectation, the forecast is gream because
Speaker 5: the main donor, which has been the un United State,
Speaker 5: used always to contribute at the beginning of January and
Speaker 5: help the agency to go through the first a quarter
Speaker 5: this year. We won't have a contribution of coming from
Speaker 5: the US anyway. As you know, contribution been frozen minimum
Speaker 5: until March next year, and indeed we have absolutely no
Speaker 5: indication that they will resume anytime soon. Then we have
Speaker 5: also a number of donors who are going through austerity
Speaker 5: budget in Europa, which will also impact the level of
Speaker 5: contribution to the agency. So I'm particularly indeed concerned about
Speaker 5: the financial situation as from the end of the year
Speaker 5: and beyond. Now, how is this legislative text impacting the
Speaker 5: neighboring country. It's not impacting the neighboring country because it
Speaker 5: does not apply to the neighboring country, but there can
Speaker 5: be some side effect. It all depends on how DOUGHNUS
Speaker 5: countries reactor in the future. If they have the feeling
Speaker 5: that the agency cannot operate anymore in Gaza and in
Speaker 5: the West Bank, will they still contribute continue to contribute
Speaker 5: to the agency when the agency maintained full activity in
Speaker 5: the neighboring countries. I hope so we aim at data,
Speaker 5: but I cannot answer with certainty.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Okay, Let's start with Evelyn Yvonne Shereifa and
Speaker 4: then Stefano.
Speaker 13: Evelyn, Hello, Commissioner. I'm Evlent Leopold Globe Trotter Media pass
Speaker 13: through the commercial fun for journalists, and I have a
Speaker 13: couple questions for you. The first is do you still
Speaker 13: have an operation in Gaza considering the violence and if so,
Speaker 13: how do you get more How over the last month
Speaker 13: have you gotten more facilities, equipment and what not into
Speaker 13: Gaza and the West Bank considering the objections to you existing.
Speaker 13: And I have another question after that, which is you
Speaker 13: calculate the number of refugees and all their descendants, which
Speaker 13: is a very large number that are somehow affiliated with you,
Speaker 13: does that indicate a right of return?
Speaker 14: Oh?
Speaker 13: Thank you for your briefing. I've learned a lot today.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yes, we continue to operate in Gaza, but as you know,
Speaker 5: our operational space is very, very narrow. It's Gasa. It's
Speaker 5: one of the most dangerous places to operate. You have
Speaker 5: also been regularly briefed on how arrowing the situation is there.
Speaker 5: Some have also described this type of you know, post
Speaker 5: apocalyptic dystopian or colleagues are witnessing, especially in the north
Speaker 5: of Gaza. You have also been briefed about how hunger
Speaker 5: has deepened and that famine, especially in the north, is
Speaker 5: also at the corner. You have also been briefed about
Speaker 5: how little entered into Gather in October. October one of
Speaker 5: the worst months in terms of Huminturan supply into the
Speaker 5: Gaza stripper. I think only the first mode of the
Speaker 5: wall had in average less trucks going into the strip,
Speaker 5: so there is a race against the clocker. I have
Speaker 5: also repeatedly said that if there is a political will,
Speaker 5: we can bring supply at level. We have seen also
Speaker 5: with a Polio campaign that if there is a political will,
Speaker 5: we can make GIT a success, and it has been
Speaker 5: a success. In this dark environment. We continue to operate
Speaker 5: in shelters. We continue to provide sixteen thousand consultations a
Speaker 5: day through our mobile clinic and health center, and whenever
Speaker 5: there is a distribution going on with partners, our staff
Speaker 5: are being mobilized in.
Speaker 3: The West Bank.
Speaker 5: We are not necessarily involved in a many turned response
Speaker 5: per se.
Speaker 3: We are more.
Speaker 5: Implementing our core activities. Our schools are open. We have
Speaker 5: fifty thousand kids in our school. We continue to provide
Speaker 5: a primary healthscare consultation. Your second part of the question
Speaker 5: was right, yeah, but the right of return. Sorry, yes,
Speaker 5: two things. One, we have in Roe about five point
Speaker 5: nine million people registered and refugees. It does not mean
Speaker 5: that there are five point nine million Palistine refugees in
Speaker 5: the region. As an agency, we are servicing about five
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand children, girls and boys in our
Speaker 5: across seven hundred school across the region. We are servicing
Speaker 5: about two million people. When it comes to primary healthcare,
Speaker 5: we are providing food assistance or cash depending on where
Speaker 5: to about two million people. And we have a social
Speaker 5: safety netor for the poorest among the pool for about
Speaker 5: four hundred thousand people. So we are far from servicing
Speaker 5: the five point nine million people. I keep also being asked,
Speaker 5: why is the state to being given from one generation
Speaker 5: to the other one. This is different from your a
Speaker 5: chair Again, this is false. You can be a second
Speaker 5: further false generation of refugees with unit share if there
Speaker 5: is no lasting solution. Look at the Western Sarah, look
Speaker 5: at Afghanistan, look at the even Somalia. Here we are
Speaker 5: talking already about fifty forty thirty years depending on the context.
Speaker 5: I was referring to the right of return is a
Speaker 5: political right which needs to be addressed in a political solution.
Speaker 5: So on one as an agency has absolutely nothing to
Speaker 5: do with this. A question is the right of return
Speaker 5: a recognition of what happened in forty six forty eight?
Speaker 3: Is the right of return? A compensation? Does it go
Speaker 3: beyond this?
Speaker 5: Needs to be addressed politically on what has absolutely nothing
Speaker 5: to do with this.
Speaker 15: Mister President, at the outset, I want to thank you
Speaker 15: for convening this meeting at the ministerial level, and also
Speaker 15: to thank all the ministers in attendance at this crucial juncture.
Speaker 15: Allow me also to thank mister Winsland for his sobering
Speaker 15: briefing and through him.
Speaker 16: To express our appreciation for all the efforts.
Speaker 15: Being undertaken by the United Nations, notably it's personnel on
Speaker 15: the ground, especially on ROWA, the lifeline for millions of refugees,
Speaker 15: the sole means of survival in Gaza, and doing so
Speaker 15: while under constant attack and the target of a smearing
Speaker 15: campaign and unrelenting excitement by Israel, the occupying power aimed
Speaker 15: at collapsing the agency and denying millions of esssions of life.
Speaker 15: Mister President four hundred and eight days, four hundred and
Speaker 15: eight days, with two million Palestinians struggling to survive, chased
Speaker 15: and hunted from one end of Gaza to the other,
Speaker 15: displaced and starved. Nowhere is safe, no one man, woman
Speaker 15: or child immune from attack, ruthlessly targeted, barely escaping death,
Speaker 15: only to face death yet again the next day. No
Speaker 15: one can claim they do not know what is happening
Speaker 15: in Gaza. No one can claim that civilians are not
Speaker 15: being killed on purpose, starved on purpose, forcibly, displaced on purpose,
Speaker 15: terrorized on purpose, all part of an undeniable plan for
Speaker 15: the annexation of the land and inhalation of its people.
Speaker 15: There is nothing hidden about what Israel is doing in Gaza.
Speaker 15: It has been exposed by every reliable source there is.
Speaker 15: It is beyond doubt what plan is being implemented and
Speaker 15: for what purpose. Every announcement of improvement is contradicted by
Speaker 15: the deepening suffering of people on the ground, the deepening
Speaker 15: of the humanitarian catastrophe, the relentless violence, further devastating whatever
Speaker 15: is left of life in Gaza. The only question that
Speaker 15: matters now is are you willing to do what is
Speaker 15: necessary to stop it?
Speaker 16: Mister President, from Palestine to Lebanon.
Speaker 15: The same illegal and inhumane methods are on full display.
Speaker 15: No regard for civilian life, no regard for the law,
Speaker 15: no regard for humanity. The mass killing of civil villians
Speaker 15: and mass destructions continue unabated. Can anyone claim this is
Speaker 15: not a threat to the peace, threat to international peace
Speaker 15: and security. If this is not a threat to peace,
Speaker 15: what is? There is only one course of action for
Speaker 15: this Council, for this security council, demanding an immediate and
Speaker 15: unconditional ceasefire under Chapter seven of the Charter. Let me repeat,
Speaker 15: demanding immediate and unconditional ceasefire under Chapter seven of the Charter,
Speaker 15: as has been called for by the Arab and Muslim
Speaker 15: summat in Riad on eleventh November. A ceasefire has long
Speaker 15: been the demand of the Palestinian people, of peoples around
Speaker 15: the world, of governments around the world, and of the
Speaker 15: families of hostages, because they know this is the only
Speaker 15: way for families Palestinian and Israelis to be reunited in life,
Speaker 15: not in death. We are on the brink of total
Speaker 15: collapse of life in Gaza. In action means perpetuating the agony,
Speaker 15: feeding the fire and allowing death to prevail.
Speaker 16: It is to sit by and watch.
Speaker 15: As death sentences are issued and executed every day for
Speaker 15: hundreds of civilians. Mister President, Nothing justifies harming civilians repeatedly, deliberately, massively.
Speaker 15: Nothing justifies targeting them indiscriminate killing them. Nothing justifies wanton
Speaker 15: destructions of homes and civilian infrastructure. Nothing justifies the use
Speaker 15: of starvation as a method of war. Nothing justifies depriving
Speaker 15: an entire people of medical care and aid, no less
Speaker 15: in a time of genocide. If we start accepting any
Speaker 15: explanation for these actions, any justification, any pretext, we will
Speaker 15: be upending the fundamental rules that were elaborated to safeguard humanity,
Speaker 15: making all peoples more vulnerable and more exposed. This is
Speaker 15: a crisis for Palestine of the highest order and equally
Speaker 15: for the international community, as all Israel has declared a
Speaker 15: war on our international law based order. It is attacking
Speaker 15: the UN, its Secretary General Honora, and UNIFL. It is
Speaker 15: attacking the ICC, attacking the ICJ and breaching its authoritative
Speaker 15: opinion and its provisional orders under the Genocide Convention.
Speaker 16: What word is this?
Speaker 15: Where war criminals are shielded and judged, judges are threatened.
Speaker 15: Where peacekeepers are attacked and humanitarians killed.
Speaker 16: What word is this?
Speaker 15: Where civilians are targeted, killed, name, tormented, and traumatized, with
Speaker 15: no protection, no decisive action whatsoever to stop this in humanity,
Speaker 15: Gaza is the crossroad, and what you do there will
Speaker 15: determine where humanity goes from here. Gazza's faith will haunt
Speaker 15: the world for generations to come. You must act now, individually, collectively,
Speaker 15: within these holes and outside of them, to put out
Speaker 15: the fire before it devours everything on its path. Mister President,
Speaker 15: violence is an impasse. What our region needs is not
Speaker 15: more killing, but rather a just political solution. The solution
Speaker 15: is not for one people to be this, to disappear,
Speaker 15: to be disappeared, but rather for mutual acceptance and existence.
Speaker 15: It is not to kill and be killed, but rather
Speaker 15: to live and let live. That is the only path
Speaker 15: towards shared peace and security. The choice is simple between
Speaker 15: occupation and freedom, an axation and independence, apparthride and dignity
Speaker 15: of universal rights, oppression and coexistence, a choice between war
Speaker 15: and peace. The current Israeli government has made a choice.
Speaker 15: It is obvious from the statements of its representatives. From
Speaker 15: the actions of its leaders, occupation forces, and settlers.
Speaker 16: It is the wrong choice for all and what is why.
Speaker 15: And that is why whatever action you take or fail
Speaker 15: to take, are so important, because what happens next will
Speaker 15: determine which path we are on for generations to come.
Speaker 15: We will do our part, but we cannot do it alone,
Speaker 15: nor can we do it for long.
Speaker 16: If this continues, we are running out of time.
Speaker 15: The faith of the region cannot be left to be
Speaker 15: decided by those blinded by hate and fanatic ideology. It
Speaker 15: has to be determined by the law, by reason, by
Speaker 15: regard for all human lives, by respect for our rights
Speaker 15: and our common humanity, and.
Speaker 16: By the quest for shared peace and security.
Speaker 15: We call on all states to act for protection of civilians,
Speaker 15: recognition of the State of Palestine and its admission as
Speaker 15: a full member in the United Nations, implementation of the
Speaker 15: j Advisory Opinion, respect for international legal obligations without exception,
Speaker 15: without fear or favor. We call on them to act
Speaker 15: decisively to end settlement activities in the West Bank, including
Speaker 15: is Jerusalem, including by taking actions against Israeli officials responsible
Speaker 15: before we see settlements belt yet again in Gaza. We
Speaker 15: call on them to support initiatives for just and lasting
Speaker 15: peace through actions, not only words. A journalist asked me
Speaker 15: if it was real realistic to expect an end of
Speaker 15: occupation when it was clear that the objective was permanent annexation.
Speaker 15: Ask me if it was realistic to speak of two
Speaker 15: state solution when there was clearly no readiness on the
Speaker 15: Israeli government side to accept an independent Palestinian state. Ask
Speaker 15: me if it was realistic to speak of coexistence while
Speaker 15: the genocide was underway. My answer is that the only
Speaker 15: alternative to an end of occupation and the two state
Speaker 15: solution and coexistence is perpetuar war.
Speaker 16: Perpetual war, our more deadly.
Speaker 15: What is unrealistic is to think that oppressing an entire
Speaker 15: nation will lead to peace and security. What is unrealistic
Speaker 15: is to continue so the same policies that have been
Speaker 15: tried for decades, yet expect a different outcome. What is
Speaker 15: unrealistic is to think that one side can simply eliminate
Speaker 15: the other. We warned then, and we warn again of
Speaker 15: where this path leads us to. We have seen it
Speaker 15: time and time again. We are witnessing it now. We
Speaker 15: cannot allow for this to continue any longer. A different
Speaker 15: path is possible if we reject this self inflicted powerlessness.
Speaker 15: Being realistic means refusing to surrender to a reality of
Speaker 15: death and destruction, of occupation and conflict, of hate and war,
Speaker 15: instead working together to chart a path that ends this genocide,
Speaker 15: ends this occupation, and ensures that our collective will for freedom,
Speaker 15: justice and peace prevails over that reality. We will work
Speaker 15: with all of you to chart this irreversible path forward,
Speaker 15: and the first indispensable step is an immediate and unconditional
Speaker 15: cease fire. We appeal to this Council to act now,
Speaker 15: Act now, and I thank you, mister President.
Speaker 17: I thank the Permanent Observer of the Observer States of
Speaker 17: Palestine for his statement, and now give the flaw to
Speaker 17: the Representative of Israel.
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Speaker 14: Thank you, mister President.
Speaker 18: This week, we are the honor and privilege to accompany
Speaker 18: a Elet Samirano here in the UN and stand by
Speaker 18: her as she spoke about her San Yonatan, a elect,
Speaker 18: has spoken many times over San his passion, enthusiasm, his
Speaker 18: love for the earth and all its creatures, his smile,
Speaker 18: his love, his love of life. As the elet said,
Speaker 18: Yonatan is a life and the life is Yonatan. That
Speaker 18: life was stolen by a monster on the un paywall.
Speaker 18: As seen on the video, Yonatan was sworn into the
Speaker 18: back of a track and taken back to Gaza by
Speaker 18: an UNUAH employee. The monster who rabbed the Samarano family
Speaker 18: of the sun, of his smile, of his embrace, was
Speaker 18: cashing checks signed and sealed by the United Nations and
Speaker 18: the UNRA Commissioner General. To say that a Yelet Spain
Speaker 18: is agonizing is a monumental understatement. Yet she has received
Speaker 18: no apology from the UN, no explanation, no any expression
Speaker 18: of regret. The fact that this is not the topic
Speaker 18: of today's discussion. That a un employee boodally kidnapped and
Speaker 18: is very civilian is beyond me.
Speaker 14: It is not as if this is a surprise.
Speaker 18: After all, we have provided hundreds of names and Hama's
Speaker 18: ideas of UNA employees involved in the October seven massacre.
Speaker 18: We have exposed many signor UNA employees who were Hamas terrorists,
Speaker 18: and many senior hamasteroists who were UNWA employees. Out of
Speaker 18: this not anger at all. So many of you, not
Speaker 18: all of you are UNA's largest donors. You give your
Speaker 18: money and resources to the United Nations and Ulah rightfully
Speaker 18: assuming it would be used for education and social services.
Speaker 18: Are you not outraged that it has been used to
Speaker 18: terrorize innocent? Are you not livid at the the secretion
Speaker 18: of the UN's lofty ideas. Before looking outward, one must
Speaker 18: look to their own house, because if you truly want
Speaker 18: to lay the guandwalg for regional peace, there must first
Speaker 18: be a change in the UN's model superbandi in the region.
Speaker 18: No more incitement of hatred, no more teaching of violence,
Speaker 18: and no more money for terrorism. Commissioner Laservini himself recently
Speaker 18: admitted that unwa's contributions to current humanitarian efforts could be
Speaker 18: replaced and a quot without a doubt. Well take him
Speaker 18: at his world an air pass, turn a new page
Speaker 18: for the betterment of all involved. Yonatan is still in Gaza,
Speaker 18: along with one hundred other hostages. Israel will never abandon them,
Speaker 18: never stop fighting for their freedom. The Council can and
Speaker 18: must help condemned Hamas demand their immediate and unconditional release.
Speaker 18: Turn your focus onto the terrorist organization exploiting Gatheran civilians
Speaker 18: as a tool for the extermination of Israel. While we
Speaker 18: fight for the freedom of our hostages and continue to
Speaker 18: combat terrorists across Gaza. We will not falter in our
Speaker 18: extensive humanitarian efforts. Only last week I shared our immense
Speaker 18: efforts since October. In the past six days alone, those
Speaker 18: efforts continue without relent. For example, last week, over one
Speaker 18: hundred and eight tracks entered gathers through the Kerem Shalom
Speaker 18: and his su Film crossings as well as the Evers
Speaker 18: crossings in the north. On that same day, fifteen tracks
Speaker 18: of goods from the UEE delivered to dash Dot Port
Speaker 18: and entered to Northern Gaza.
Speaker 14: This was their second SAD shipment.
Speaker 18: It included over two thousand pallets of water, medical equipment,
Speaker 18: shelter supplies.
Speaker 14: And agene products.
Speaker 18: Along with delivering aid, we have ensured the maintenance of
Speaker 18: essential infrastructure. Eleven hospitals currently operate in Gaza and additional
Speaker 18: fourteen field hospitals. Meanwhile, we have protected access to water
Speaker 18: across the strip. In northern Gaza alone, one hundred and
Speaker 18: twelve littles are available per person per day. I'm also
Speaker 18: happy to report that fifty tacks were collected on the
Speaker 18: gasen side by international agencies. However, almost nine hundred remain
Speaker 18: uncollected as the aid wastes away. Our discussions require refocusing
Speaker 18: across all aspects, but our debates on the humanitarian effort
Speaker 18: in Gaza are in particular need well is well facilitate
Speaker 18: the entrance one hundreds of eight wacks weekly via medic crossings.
Speaker 18: There has been a failure of agencies to collect that aid.
Speaker 18: While we flood gather with aid there with a draft
Speaker 18: of distribution. We will continue to fulfill our duties, but
Speaker 18: the UN and international organizations must step up in this respect.
Speaker 14: Not only must the UN step up to its eight.
Speaker 18: Distribution obligations, but the focus must also shift to Hamas's
Speaker 18: constant hijating of humanitarian aid to feed the machine of
Speaker 18: terror and misery.
Speaker 14: Let me give you an example.
Speaker 18: Forty eight hours ago, together with other organizations and UNAH
Speaker 18: will verify what I'm telling you now, we coordinated the
Speaker 18: entry of more than one hundred eight trucks which cost
Speaker 18: Kerm Shalom crossing into Gaza. Ninety seven of those tracks
Speaker 18: were violently looted by Hamas, with the drivers held at gunpoint.
Speaker 18: Seven out of one hundred wacks This is an example
Speaker 18: of the immensely challenging reality that we are facing. We
Speaker 18: will continue with our efforts despite the Council continuing to
Speaker 18: ignore the true cause of the situation, Hamas and its
Speaker 18: violent greed week after week. Some at this table villainize
Speaker 18: and demonize as well. But your failure to identify the
Speaker 18: crimes of Hamas against the Gatheren people exposed your true agenda,
Speaker 18: your true bias, and the blinding heatwd that lies behind it. Colleagues,
Speaker 18: is rallied under attack on seven fronts, including from our
Speaker 18: northern border, after his Balam made a decision to enter
Speaker 18: the war in October eighth in solidarity with the Hamas
Speaker 18: Tellos comrades. The fire over fifteen thousand rackets, missers, anti
Speaker 18: tank missers, drowns and other such web friends that our
Speaker 18: civilian population. As a result, seventy thousand of our civilians
Speaker 18: have been made internal refugees.
Speaker 14: Israel has been perfectly clear on.
Speaker 18: What it takes to restore come First, his Baalam must
Speaker 18: withdraw to the north of the Litani River, as outlined
Speaker 18: in Resolution seventeen o one. Southern Lebanon must be freed
Speaker 18: of Iranian proxies. Presolution fifteen fifty nine. No other country
Speaker 18: at this table would accept seventy thousand of the civilians
Speaker 18: being displaced by a terrorist organization. No other country at
Speaker 18: this table would take any different steps than Israel. No
Speaker 18: other country would lie down and agreed to that terrorist
Speaker 18: organization remaining on the border. The international community must join
Speaker 18: us in our efforts to restall Lebanese Lebanese sovereignty to
Speaker 18: southern Lebanon, freeing the Lebanese people of their Iranian masters,
Speaker 18: and in seeing the resolutions of this very council, Mister President,
Speaker 18: there with a string connecting all of these crises, a
Speaker 18: common thread which has spilled blood in every corner of
Speaker 18: the Middle East. It is the same thread that runs
Speaker 18: a railway of deaths with Syria and into Lebanon, supplying
Speaker 18: and training his Balateovist to carry out the murderous goals.
Speaker 18: It is the same thread that and bolsted Hamas to
Speaker 18: commit the October seven authrosities, the same threads distabilizing Iraq
Speaker 18: and Syria, the same thread that direct the Hoodies in
Speaker 18: the attacks against international maritime trade. Iranian officials have themselves
Speaker 18: acknowledged their relationship with the Hoodies. The sponsorship of terror
Speaker 18: is not an open secret among nations. Iran shouted from
Speaker 18: the rooftop. In a report delivered to you last months,
Speaker 18: it was revealed that I I Ruan's funds and weapons
Speaker 18: have transformed the Hoodies into a military force, evidence of
Speaker 18: by hundreds of indiscriminate attacks against merchant ships as well
Speaker 18: as UK and US warships over the last year. Now
Speaker 18: that global threat is teaming towards obtaining nuclear capabilities, we
Speaker 18: cannot and will not allow that to happen. I Ran
Speaker 18: dreams of a vision of domination made possible by a
Speaker 18: nuclear arsenal. I Ruan's nuclear ambitions for the threat not
Speaker 18: only to Israel, but to every member state of the UN.
Speaker 18: We all know that a nuclear armed Iran wouldn't hesitate
Speaker 18: to rein down destruction not yet witnessed. Confronting this global
Speaker 18: existential threat requires a coalition of the courageous. This Council
Speaker 18: must set the tone, condemned diatolas regime, impose crippling sanctions
Speaker 18: and walk with us to do a line in the
Speaker 18: sand so the Middle East might heal from the damage
Speaker 18: I Ran as caused, Mister President, this is a moment.
Speaker 14: For decisive action.
Speaker 18: The Council must rise to its purpose and address the
Speaker 18: true instigator of instability in the Middle East. Iran's blood
Speaker 18: stained ambitions will only end when we collectively say enough.
Speaker 14: Before concluding, I must mention the.
Speaker 18: Efforts to pass a resolution in this Council which fails
Speaker 18: to outline the release of the hostages as a condition
Speaker 18: of a cease fire. Such a decision would be a
Speaker 18: betrayal not only of Israel, but of the one hundred
Speaker 18: and one families and the loved ones being tormented by
Speaker 18: terrorist monsters. This includes Jonatan Samirano and his family, to
Speaker 18: whom the United Nations owed in an unpayable debt. Iswel
Speaker 18: will defend its people. We will never abandon our hostages,
Speaker 18: never forget them, and never stop fighting for them.
Speaker 14: That's why we started this war. I remind you, make
Speaker 14: no mistake.
Speaker 18: History will remember who stood with us to appol peace
Speaker 18: and justice and who allowed terror to flourish.
Speaker 17: I think you miss the president, I think the representive
Speaker 17: of Israel's their statements.
Speaker 8: You know, I just wanted to reiterate the fact that
Speaker 8: the government has deposited up to nearly twenty nine thousand
Speaker 8: pages worth of documents with regards to the SDTC matter
Speaker 8: to the House of Commons. Now we've done so in
Speaker 8: a way that respects the rights of Canadians, and respects
Speaker 8: the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and respects the separation
Speaker 8: of powers in this place. And I heard earlier today
Speaker 8: that Andrew Shecher, the Conservative House Leader, had suggested that
Speaker 8: he knew what was in those documents. And I want
Speaker 8: to lay that claim to rest because, as everyone knows
Speaker 8: and has been stated numerous times, members of Parliament didn't
Speaker 8: request these documents for them to see, so they actually
Speaker 8: haven't seen any of them. So for him to suggest
Speaker 8: that he knows the contents of those documents is patently false,
Speaker 8: and he is simply not telling the truth because at
Speaker 8: no point in time were those documents ever to be
Speaker 8: seen by members of Parliament. Not because that was the
Speaker 8: government's intention, because that is what members of Parliament asked for.
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Speaker 2: So it is now time.
Speaker 8: Government has deposited up to twenty nine thousand pages of documents.
Speaker 8: The Conservatives are not doing this for any moral or
Speaker 8: principled reason. It is now time to stop these partisan games,
Speaker 8: to let the Chamber get back to the important work
Speaker 8: of Canadians and to get on with the business of governing.
Speaker 8: Yesterday the government deposited tabled the supply bills. There is
Speaker 8: important measures in there for Canadians and for Canada's role
Speaker 8: in the world. If we do care about seniors and
Speaker 8: children and people with disabilities accessing the dentists, we need
Speaker 8: to get on with the business of supply. Today marks
Speaker 8: one thousand days since the war of aggression by Russia
Speaker 8: in Ukraine. If we care about helping Ukrainians, we need
Speaker 8: to get on with the business of supply. So the
Speaker 8: time is now up for the Conservatives to stop playing
Speaker 8: these absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 19: Games and to get on with the business of cant
Speaker 19: come Quebec on the discs productive constructive a continue.
Speaker 14: Distution economic.
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Speaker 20: Constructive with your response?
Speaker 2: Your response to those who've asked Minister boston or to resign.
Speaker 2: What's your response to those who are calling for his residution.
Speaker 8: Minister Bossono has been clear with regards to those allegations,
Speaker 8: and I will let him speak for himself.
Speaker 1: In that regard.
Speaker 2: So if you're company claiming to the Indigenous when it
Speaker 2: was not, what messages that send to those who were
Speaker 2: falsely claiming indigenous identity and other institutions.
Speaker 8: So no one should ever falsely claim an Indigenous identity
Speaker 8: and in fact, with regards to that company, they were
Speaker 8: never on the list for Indigenous procurement consequences. So the
Speaker 8: Minister has addressed those allegations and the Minister will continue
Speaker 8: to address this.
Speaker 10: Just to go back, just to go back to the
Speaker 10: lock up right now.
Speaker 20: If you can't get other parties like the block in
Speaker 20: the NDP to work with you on a stop motion
Speaker 20: of this, is that not a de facto non confidence.
Speaker 7: I mean, like it's a minority parliament, you have to
Speaker 7: work with other parties.
Speaker 8: Minority parliaments are messy, That's how they are. We have
Speaker 8: had a period of incredible stability and minority parliaments since
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen, which is abnormal for minority parliaments in Canadian history.
Speaker 8: But what I can say is just before the privileged
Speaker 8: motion started, and actually after it had started, we had
Speaker 8: won at two confidence motions. So we do have confidence
Speaker 8: of the House.
Speaker 14: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
Speaker 7: Canadians right across the country, in particular those Edmontonians in
Speaker 7: Edmonton Center and the city I'm from, wake up every
Speaker 7: single day with the fact that a minister in our country,
Speaker 7: the Minister Employment and Social Development in Canada, the minister
Speaker 7: known as Randy Bossano. They continue to see this unfortunate
Speaker 7: and real time abuse of the Indigenous procurement system. This
Speaker 7: abuse has real victims. The victims are Indigenous people. The
Speaker 7: victims are the good people of Edmonton Center who are
Speaker 7: embarrassed by what's taking place here in the House of Commons.
Speaker 7: Indigenous people notn't just the victims of what happened with
Speaker 7: Randy Bossano. What we're seeing is Indigenous people right across
Speaker 7: the country are filling are being blamed for calling out
Speaker 7: what is a very real and legitimate concern, which is
Speaker 7: that pretendians continue to exist right across our country. This
Speaker 7: race shifting that's taking place is very concerning. What we're
Speaker 7: seeing is Indigenous or non Indigenous people claiming to be
Speaker 7: Indigenous for the purpose of accessing benefits. We see this
Speaker 7: right across the country, whether it's in arts and media,
Speaker 7: whether it's in academia, or whether it's here in the
Speaker 7: House of Commons. We must get a grapple with the
Speaker 7: fact that people are abusing these systems for narrow benefit.
Speaker 7: This is happening across the country. We need to see
Speaker 7: action when it comes to ensuring the justice for Indigenous people,
Speaker 7: justice for the good people of Edmonton Center, and that
Speaker 7: means Randy Bossana must resign. If he does not resign,
Speaker 7: it's incumbent upon the Prime Minister to kick someone like
Speaker 7: that out. This is the prime minister that said the
Speaker 7: most important relationship he's ever had is with First Nations
Speaker 7: maytea in Inuit people. Meanwhile, there are those in his cabinet,
Speaker 7: in his inner circle, that are abusing the Indigenous procurement
Speaker 7: system so that they can gain advantage and benefit from
Speaker 7: that system. We're seeing this kind of malicious, malicious intent
Speaker 7: right across the country. We need to see a government
Speaker 7: that's serious and puts the decision making of who is
Speaker 7: indigenous back in the hands of Indigenous communities. This is
Speaker 7: a matter of self determination, a matter of reconciliation, and
Speaker 7: albeit it's become one now of very serious and potential
Speaker 7: fraud that's stemming up right across the country.
Speaker 3: As a minister or as an MP should.
Speaker 7: He must resign. He must must resign as a minister.
Speaker 7: That's someone who is in the cabinet right now making
Speaker 7: decisions related to the outcome of Indigenous people's lives. Who
Speaker 7: is right now, right now not certain exactly who he
Speaker 7: is himself. But has he said he's on a soul
Speaker 7: searching journey. I I'm always happy to see my colleagues
Speaker 7: go on a soul searching journey. It cannot come at
Speaker 7: a cost or expense to taxpayers. If that means him
Speaker 7: resigning in order to find his soul, then he should
Speaker 7: resign as an MP.
Speaker 2: Have you spoken to him since since these claims started
Speaker 2: to come, since questions of his indigenous links.
Speaker 7: I have asked for him to come clean with who
Speaker 7: he is. Since then he has. We have not met personally.
Speaker 7: We have not had a phone call about this. We
Speaker 7: haven't made any we have had any discussion point about
Speaker 7: this other than my first statement, which was request to
Speaker 7: ask him to come clean on who he thinks he
Speaker 7: is when he made attention to services.
Speaker 20: Minister was asked reputedly this morning whether she thinks Minister
Speaker 20: should resign. She didn't answer your thoughts on that.
Speaker 7: Of course she's gonna say that he shouldn't resign. This
Speaker 7: is a member, This is an think you just right now?
Speaker 1: Oh true.
Speaker 7: It's clear that the government is very intent on trying
Speaker 7: to skirt this under the rug. They're trying tooth and
Speaker 7: nail to see this issue just go away because they
Speaker 7: don't want to have to deal with the reality that
Speaker 7: their government, in action or at times their own party,
Speaker 7: has created a circumstance where they have tried to perceive
Speaker 7: or tried to mislead the public in the fact that
Speaker 7: they have a larger Indigenous caucus than they actually do.
Speaker 7: So the Liberal Party itself is also guilty of this.
Speaker 7: It's an institutional guilt. So she belongs to that party.
Speaker 7: So a party that can't itself even verify who is
Speaker 7: Indigenous within its own party, then the question is incumbent
Speaker 7: upon the minister. How seriously do they take reconciliation if
Speaker 7: they can't answer those questions, the basic questions of that
Speaker 7: kind of abuse. Because I said before, the real victims
Speaker 7: here aren't the Liberals. The real victim isn't Randy. The
Speaker 7: real victim is Indigenous businesses, Indigenous people that did everything right.
Speaker 7: They did everything right. These are people that I know
Speaker 7: that built the company for the first time. There's are entrepreneurs.
Speaker 7: They signed all the paperwork, they did all that just
Speaker 7: to learn that the system is rigged right here at
Speaker 7: the top.
Speaker 14: Before you apology, it's not enough. I mean, why is
Speaker 14: an apology?
Speaker 3: Maybe not enough for you in your.
Speaker 7: Apologies, not enough, because we've had too much you much,
Speaker 7: you much, too much, you much, you much, you much,
Speaker 7: too much, too much, this race shifting, this idea that
Speaker 7: well today I'm German, yesterday I'm Cree, and tomorrow I'm
Speaker 7: going to be Mayte. That kind of admission is evidence
Speaker 7: that someone doesn't know who they are, or is trying to.
Speaker 1: Cover up a lie they made.
Speaker 7: These series of lies are hard to defend when we
Speaker 7: start to see these lies contradict each other. What we've
Speaker 7: seen in the last few weeks in this very interesting
Speaker 7: case of pretendingism is a common factor in all cases
Speaker 7: of pretendingism, which is the fact that we have individuals
Speaker 7: who are claiming to be someone they aren't, not just
Speaker 7: the first time, not just the second time, but many
Speaker 7: times we see this continue the way it is. This
Speaker 7: isn't just a problem facing Randy Boston. I want to
Speaker 7: be very clear, this is a problem facing Canada. We
Speaker 7: have this issue right across the country, in schools, in universities,
Speaker 7: in businesses, and right here in the House of Comments.
Speaker 7: It's incumbent upon me, however, as the as a member
Speaker 7: who is mate and has cre ancestry to call out
Speaker 7: what I believe to be a very real abuse because
Speaker 7: I've worked with and I know families that have built companies,
Speaker 7: and I've seen those companies fall into the ground, go
Speaker 7: bankrupt because of the lack of economic opportunity. The reason
Speaker 7: this program is supposed to exist is to ensure indigenous
Speaker 7: businesses have a chance to be self sufficient, can actually
Speaker 7: do the work of government because they have the meritocracy
Speaker 7: to do that work. But what we see instead is
Speaker 7: ministers that are not who they say they are, getting
Speaker 7: an application to the system and ultimately getting that contract.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was asked today what do you make
Speaker 2: of the strip that keeps coming out over Minister boston
Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister Tad who's asked what does he
Speaker 2: make of Miss Brossnow the stories have come out what
Speaker 2: Minister Bostono has said, the Prime Minister said, the Minister
Speaker 2: will continue to explain himself. I'm happy with the work
Speaker 2: he's doing in Alberta. What do you make of the
Speaker 2: prime ministers? I think that was an expression of somewhat
Speaker 2: confidence that he's okay with them staying in the.
Speaker 7: He doesn't take this seriously. This is the same guy
Speaker 7: that said his most important relationship was that with First
Speaker 7: Nations may Tea in Inuit people. Meanwhile, he lets someone
Speaker 7: who doesn't know who they are pretend to be someone
Speaker 7: he isn't for the purpose of accessing public dollar. That
Speaker 7: to me is a real pain and it's a real
Speaker 7: unfortunate consequence of the continued colonization and systemic racism we
Speaker 7: continue to see in Canada. That kind of systemic racism
Speaker 7: is perpetuating by people who do not people in power
Speaker 7: who do not act systemic violence like this. A systemic
Speaker 7: violence that suggests that you don't have to be Indigenous
Speaker 7: to apply for an Indigenous grant and you won't even
Speaker 7: get a slap on the wrist says to every other
Speaker 7: person who is a pretending right now and to everyone
Speaker 7: else who wants to access the benefit on behalf of
Speaker 7: Indigenous people, that they can get away with it and
Speaker 7: there's going to be no consequence. That is the exact
Speaker 7: opposite of what reconciliation means in Canada. We need to
Speaker 7: have more effort towards Indigenous justice and that includes taking
Speaker 7: seriously the very real issues that are facing Indigenous communities.
Speaker 7: Pertenianism is to making jobs, opportunity, wealth and voice away
Speaker 7: from Indigenous people in a very legitimate way. We could
Speaker 7: have been talking the last three weeks about indigenous self determination.
Speaker 7: Instead we've been stuck talking about Randy Bossano and how
Speaker 7: a case like his is detrimental to the system and
Speaker 7: there are ways to remedy this. The very first step
Speaker 7: the Prime Minister has to kick him out of cabinet.
Speaker 20: So you had already touched on this a little bit before.
Speaker 20: About the Liberals Indigenous Caucus, there's at least two other
Speaker 20: MP's on there who have publicly been questioned about their
Speaker 20: claims to indigenity. Do you think that Heimi Batiste, the
Speaker 20: chair of that caucus, has said that politics is a
Speaker 20: numbers game and that the more people he has in
Speaker 20: that committee who can advocate on things that he finds
Speaker 20: valuable is great to him. Do you think that that
Speaker 20: caucus is working in the best interests of Indigenous people?
Speaker 7: Politics is a numbers game. I agree with him on that.
Speaker 7: What I don't agree with is that he's willing to
Speaker 7: use Indigenous people as a pawn in his game to
Speaker 7: get numbers. That's the problem with the Liberal Party. They're
Speaker 7: using Indigenous people as a token. It doesn't matter how
Speaker 7: many Indigenous people vote for my party, and it shouldn't
Speaker 7: matter how many Indigenous people vote for the Liberal Party
Speaker 7: to know that abusing a system that takes money out
Speaker 7: of the hands of Indigenous people is wrong, completely wrong.
Speaker 7: When I think about my colleagues across the House of Commons,
Speaker 7: I am concerned with pretending is I'm not just in
Speaker 7: the Liberal Party, but across all parties in the House
Speaker 7: of Commons. We've done the work in my party as
Speaker 7: an Indigenous caucus to make certain we know who we are,
Speaker 7: to make certain we understand those stories and to share
Speaker 7: those stories of pride of who we are with all
Speaker 7: of our caucus members. That's a difficult job. And I
Speaker 7: have a huge run and respect for my colleagues that
Speaker 7: have asked those hard questions of me and my colleagues,
Speaker 7: and we tell them and we speak truth to who
Speaker 7: we are. I am a proud Mati person. My father
Speaker 7: was from the Frog Lake First Nations. I am from
Speaker 7: the Fishing Lake Maiti Settlement. I have a card in
Speaker 7: my pocket. I fought for rights for my people for
Speaker 7: six years as a National Director, and I find it
Speaker 7: shameful that people in this place would use Indigenous identity
Speaker 7: in order to score either cheap political points or to
Speaker 7: score money, thank you very much. Shouldn't fare managation projects
Speaker 7: to federal procurement projects that would allow you to get
Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands of dollars under the false pretense of
Speaker 7: being indigenous. He's claiming that he had no under awareness
Speaker 7: of mister Anderson's business dealings and that mister Anderson acted unilaterly.
Speaker 7: That is the claim he's making. We have a very
Speaker 7: difficult challenge, which is how would we verify that claim
Speaker 7: regardless of its verifiability. He was the joint owner of
Speaker 7: that company that submitted that his applications. Ultimately that company
Speaker 7: would receive federal contributions. That's the issue today. The larger
Speaker 7: issue that you're speaking about on indigenous identity is one
Speaker 7: that the country's having in real time across the whole country.
Speaker 7: But it's separate and distinct from the fact that a
Speaker 7: cabinet minister would lie on an application have that application heard,
Speaker 7: even though those applications didn't receive funding at the time.
Speaker 7: Those applications are kept and that company's portfolio are kept
Speaker 7: through the procurement process, and eventually he did get, in
Speaker 7: fact get money through that procurement process. That's the issue here.
Speaker 7: If this was an innocent white lie and it was
Speaker 7: just on a school website or like some low risk thing,
Speaker 7: or someone said I'm just discovering my identity, it would
Speaker 7: be more acceptable the fact that we had a sitting
Speaker 7: cabinet minister in the chair of power in our country
Speaker 7: that it's committed to reconciliation but can't even see how
Speaker 7: damaging and incredibly racist it is to have an application
Speaker 7: and false name of a nation when you do not
Speaker 7: belong to the nation or don't have certainty of that.
Speaker 7: To me is perception, is misleading the public, and it's
Speaker 7: a perception that he wanted to have in order to
Speaker 7: gain a contract.
Speaker 1: That's the issue.
Speaker 16: Should he resign, He should resign.
Speaker 7: Thanks Blake, Thanks, I will see you there oefully okay, sorry.
Speaker 14: To me there.
Speaker 2: Then, what do you make of a little bit of
Speaker 2: what you've read about Minister Boston now when he has
Speaker 2: talked about in terms of his family's connection to indigenous
Speaker 2: ancestry he apologized last week. Do you have any thoughts
Speaker 2: of kind of what you've heard from him?
Speaker 21: Well, I know that people in Canada have been charged
Speaker 21: for identity fraud and you know, I haven't looked into
Speaker 21: his ancestry. I certainly don't have the time to look
Speaker 21: in his into his ancestry. But claiming you're something you're.
Speaker 7: Not is fraud.
Speaker 21: What do you make of his his exponent, that's that's
Speaker 21: certainly nought up to me. I would say that, you know,
Speaker 21: he has a number of issues.
Speaker 19: Right now, and.
Speaker 14: That's what I have to say about that.
Speaker 2: What do you what do you make of the explanation,
Speaker 2: which is he was speaking from what he thought to
Speaker 2: be true about his family's ancestry. He's learning about things
Speaker 2: in real time. He was not maybe as clear as
Speaker 2: he should have been, But he never intended to claim
Speaker 2: an indigenous identity that wasn't his. What do you make
Speaker 2: of that explanation to the statements you've heard from him.
Speaker 21: Well, the fact is he did claim indigenous ancestry. He
Speaker 21: participate paid in a company that applied for funding at
Speaker 21: a time where we're supposed to be reconciling in this
Speaker 21: country claiming indigenous ancestry, and I think that's very serious.
Speaker 20: If the Caucus and the Cabinet are having Chinese conversations
Speaker 20: about indigenous identity and there's no consensus within about what
Speaker 20: that is. How could you do you think that they
Speaker 20: could be expected to properly handle the procurement list the
Speaker 20: Indigenous Business Registry if they can figure it out within
Speaker 20: their own rank.
Speaker 21: Well, I want to be really clear. That's a really
Speaker 21: important program. I know that you know members of the
Speaker 21: Conservative Party I have criticized that program. I think probably
Speaker 21: because that's another thing they'd probably cut if they were elected. However,
Speaker 21: they need a more thorough process of vetting, you know,
Speaker 21: people that are applying for the program. That's certainly what's
Speaker 21: happening in academic institutions across the country now with all
Speaker 21: the identity fraud that's the.
Speaker 2: Current Well, your action to be changing from the fool,
Speaker 2: you know, what's your actions to be changing from?
Speaker 4: Like complicing of faith that's from free commity.
Speaker 13: And what does that do?
Speaker 21: What does that make up the indigenous as well? You know,
Speaker 21: certainly it's not up to me. It's up to him
Speaker 21: to be honest about his identity. Claiming your identity is
Speaker 21: something that it isn't uh now that it's shifting. Uh,
Speaker 21: that's identity fraud. And there's people in this country that
Speaker 21: are being charged with identity fraud right now for claiming
Speaker 21: Indigenous ancestry when they they aren't.
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