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But now, from February seventh, nineteen fifty two, here is

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the Big Honeymoon.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Due to technical difficulties beyond our control at the moment,

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the drag Net program originally scheduled at this period has

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been postponed temporarily.

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Speaker 2: It will be heard in just a few moments.

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Speaker 4: The writer's at j Boss Bosses Katty sta Is Friday.

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They're on the way and away on the office ten

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thirty eight am. When we got to Paris Avenue number

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two one.

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Speaker 5: Three, Yes, how do you do, miss Wagner. Police officers,

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I'm Sergeant Jacobs, as my partner, Sergeant Friday.

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Speaker 6: Oh, yes, sergeant, I've been expecting you. Would you come in? Please?

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thank you.

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Speaker 6: I hope you'll excuse the way the house looks. Officers

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right in the middle of packing getting ready to move.

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Speaker 2: I understand, try not to keep you, Miss Wagner.

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Speaker 6: So much to do making arrangements for Dorothy's funeral undertaker

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than all this moving business on top of it, I

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couldn't bear to stay here any longer, though.

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Speaker 2: Yes, man, we understand. We'll make it as brief as

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we can.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to have you tell us about this trouble

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that your sister had as much as you know about.

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Speaker 6: It, I mean, plain out and out murder. In my opinion,

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might just as well have taken a gun and killed her,

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no difference.

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Speaker 4: You knew all about the relationship between your sister Dorothy

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and this man Reynolds, Is that correct, Yes.

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Speaker 6: Right from the beginning. I was there when they met.

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Would you mind if I went ahead packing these few

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things here my sister's things I like to finish up

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before I leave. Have an appointment at noon in the mortuary.

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Speaker 2: Surely go right ahead.

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Speaker 6: Few books, nick Knacks personal things to Dorothy's foolish woman.

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I gave her credit for more.

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Speaker 2: Since about this man Reynolds, Miss Wagner, I thought.

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Speaker 6: Threw him right from the start. I tried to tell

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Dorothy it was a fortune hunter, money hungry. Of course

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she wouldn't listen. She always knew better.

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Speaker 2: Charles R. Reynolds. Is that the name you knew him by, ma'am?

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's right. Dorothy and I met him one Sunday

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night in the hotel dining room. Two of us always

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had dinner at the hotel Sunday nights every Sunday.

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Speaker 2: That's the hotel out on Wilchire you told us about.

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Speaker 6: That's correct, be exactly a month this coming Sunday. Came

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up to our table and introduced himself. Claimed he knew

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my father when he was a lot. Dad owned some

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big packing plants in the East. Died nine years ago,

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left the estate to Dorothy and me.

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Speaker 4: I see, was you have anything to add to the

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description that you gave us on Reyl's Miss Wagoner? I mean,

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can you think of anything unusual about him at all?

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Scars peculiar mannerisms anything with that.

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Speaker 6: No, nothing special. M dressed well, as I say, apparently, cultured,

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well traveled. He was handsome enough attractive. I knew it

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was only after our money, though. Playing up to Dorothy

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that way, kissing her hand, taking her out all the time,

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probably would have tried the same thing with me. It's

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lucky I knew better.

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Speaker 5: How did your after the first meeting with him as wagoner?

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Did you start to enny of your sister Dorothy right away?

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Speaker 6: Yes? The next night called here at our home and

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asked Dorothy to the theater. I think he was going

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to ask me, but he was too smart for that.

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I knew it for what he was hum Imagine that

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poems Dorothy wrote in high school love poems silly. She

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never did get it out of her head.

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Speaker 2: You and your sister lived alone here in the house,

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did you, ma'am?

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Speaker 6: Yes, Dorothy and I and the maid. I don't wanna

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stay here after what's happened, though, I'm going to my

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cousins in Vermont. Never want to see this place again.

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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am might understand. How soon after you met Reynolds

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did he marry her.

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Speaker 6: Sister a little over two weeks. He'd been seeing her

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almost every night, taking her out, dancing to the theaters,

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big dinners, bringing her home late and sit here in

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the living room. I could hear them from my bedroom upstairs,

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laughing him telling her how beautiful she was. Forty two

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year old woman.

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Speaker 2: Imagine that you're about the same, aide. Your sister was

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Speaker 6: People always took us for twins, though there's a snapshot

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of me taking in my twenties. The boy with me there,

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he wanted to marry me my money, of course, that's

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all he wanted, too bad. Dorothy never seemed to realize

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that about men. Girls from wealthy families have to be careful.

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Speaker 4: And we understand Reynolds took your sister out of town

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to be married as overly.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Las Vegas. Reynolds had told her his bank funds

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were tied up temporarily in a Canadian bank. He wrote

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Dorothy a check for ten thousand dollars, and she gave

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him her check for the same amount. He said he

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wanted to book reservations for around the world trip for

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both of them. I see the same day Dorothy gave

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him the check, he cashed it the bank called her

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about it, and she said it was perfectly all right.

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Hour after he cashed it, Reynolds disappeared, no trace of him.

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Of course, his check's worthless.

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Speaker 4: We found that out, and you figured that's the only

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reason your sister took her own life.

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Speaker 6: There's no other reason. Wasn't the money so much? Dorothy

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has her share of the estate. It's a shame, I suppose,

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awful shame, disappointment. She should have known better a woman

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her age.

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Speaker 2: Had your sister ever been married before Miss Wagner?

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Speaker 6: Yes, when she was eighteen, ran off to Chicago and

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married a young fellow. She claimed she loved him too

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naturally he was atter dar money. My father and I

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went and brought her home. We had the marriage anulled.

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It was that way all her life. Half a dozen

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men they brought Dorothy nothing but misery. And this was

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a last this Charles Reynolds.

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Speaker 4: How about his background, ma'am? His business connections? He ever

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mentioned any of that to you or your sister?

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Speaker 6: Claimed he had interests all over South America, Australia, seemed

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to have plenty of money. Guess his kind always has.

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Do you think you'll find him?

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Speaker 2: We're gonna try h Miss Wager.

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Speaker 6: Dorothy went upstairs to her bedroom and stayed there. She

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looks as strange. She took out some press flowers from

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a book. Some boy'd given them to her once years ago,

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don't know who. She just sat on the edge of

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her bed and stared at them, old press flowers. Next morning,

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the maid came upstairs and Dorothy was lying on the floor,

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empty bottle of pills next to her. Awful disgrace. Never

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happened before in our family.

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Speaker 4: If you don't mind, miss Wagoner, we like to get

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as many particulars about this man Reynolds as you can remember.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 6: That's a last. I don't know what else to tell you,

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off Cirl. I know is I was young when Dorothy

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was young. I could have had a man if I wanted.

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But I didn't run off when I was eighteen to

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marry a boy. I knew my duty. It wasn't proper,

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it wasn't a love. I didn't run off as a

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middle aged woman to marry a fortune hunter either. What

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made her do it?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know, ma'am. She was your sister.

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Speaker 6: What kind of a man was he? What kind of

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a mind? Making love? Kissing her? Just to take her money.

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Imagine selling somebody with a kiss.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not the first time, ma'am is that so

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look it up. You'll find it in the Bible eleven

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eighteen am. We continued to interview the victim's sister for

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another forty minutes, and then we left the Wagner home,

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drove back to the office and continued our investigation of

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the suspect, Charles R.

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Speaker 2: Reynolds.

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Speaker 4: As far as we were concerned, the criminal was new

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to us, but the crime wasn't. The marriage rackets as

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old as any con game on Earth, and as con

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games go, it's one of the lowest. It trades on

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one of the most natural and normal instincts. A man

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or a woman has a desire for companionship, a home,

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and a family, and for the sake of an easy dollar,

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it betrays the victim and the instinct ruthlessly, regardless of

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the consequences. In the case of forty two year old

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heiress Dorothy Wagner, the disappointment was too much to cope

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with for her. The marriage game ended in the front

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parlor of a mortuary on South Hoover Street. For the suspect,

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Charles Reynolds, it had continued to be a paying business

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until he was stopped. After Homicide Detail completed their investigation

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of the case and it was definitely determined that Dorothy

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Wagner took her own life, the matter.

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Speaker 2: Was turned over to US. Eleven fifty am.

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Speaker 4: We got off a request to Las Vegas asking them

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for all the information on the marriage, and then I

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contacted the Stat's office and asked them to make a

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run on the suspect for US based on his detailed

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description and also on his method of operation. I went

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back down the hall and met d Jacobs at the

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R and I encounter.

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Speaker 2: How you doing? Not too much luck?

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Speaker 5: Joe Forgery didn't come up with anything either, nothing on

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him in their files.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so much of a start is it? Apparently

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this is the first time he's worked at town Horns.

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We couldn't find anything on the name, not the main file.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, what do you got there? I asked John to

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check the correspondence file. He came up with this out

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of Chicago. He came in over three months ago. Inquiry

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from their Bunco detail suspect the name right here, Frank L.

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Speaker 4: Richland, same angle Marry draggedt mm. Yeah them was pretty

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close any description? Oh here, what do you think six foot,

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one hundred and seventy pounds, gray, wavy hair, blue eyes,

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fair complex and.

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Speaker 2: That's fairly close, could be.

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Speaker 5: Here's the alias list Richland US as long as your arm.

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Here's one caught our I Reynolds Alius George A. Reynolds,

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Thomas R. Reynolds alias C. H. Reynolds alias Charles R.

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Speaker 4: Reynolds once owned him for forgery, buncle grand theft a

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lot of experience. How about a mud shot on this.

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Speaker 2: One mm none attached, no LA contacts either.

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Speaker 4: Now we better get off a wire to Chicago. PD

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haven't sent us what they can on him.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I want to prove it one way or the other.

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But at the end of the week maybe, uh yeah.

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Speaker 5: Copy is named out here, right, Frank Ellen Richland Correspondence

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number C one four three seven three two Chicago case

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number D day six one two dash three two tension

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Lieutenant Smikels.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking it.

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Speaker 4: Huh the last time anyone saw Reynolds?

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Speaker 2: When was it? Ten twelve days ago? Ten days ago?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, September twenty third, same day, cash the check and

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took a run out.

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Speaker 4: Well, if he's working in the city for the first time.

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He must figure he's had some fair luck. Ten thousand

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on the first try is pretty encouraging.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: If he gets the idea of the town's a gold mine,

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he's not gonna pull out steaks here.

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Speaker 5: Mm figures probably trying to reach a couple of other

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women with the same angle.

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Speaker 2: It could be he's working on it now.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the problem. What do you mean the women

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say he's been romancing three or four around town. He's

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got them all prime. How are you going to warn

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a woman about a thief before a purse is gone.

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After getting off a wire to Chicago regarding the suspect,

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which was in addition to the broadcast in the APV,

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We've gotten out on him, Ed Jacobs and I continued

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checking out the various contacts that he'd made in the city.

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Speaker 2: We checked stores where he shopped, banks where.

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Speaker 4: He allegedly did business, restaurants and hotels which he reportedly patronized.

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It took three days of dull, steady legwork. You can

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say it much faster than you can do it. All

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of the bank references, without exception, were falsified. Where he

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made purchases, it was strictly cash dealing, the same for

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the restaurants he'd frequented. Besides meager descriptions of the man,

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the restaurant employees weren't able to help us much. At

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one of the two hotels where we learned he was

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a guest for a full month, we finally netted half

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a lead.

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Speaker 2: One of the bell boys.

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Speaker 4: Told us that the man known as Charles Reynold seemed

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to be pretty friendly with the head waiter in the

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hotel dining room at Henry Kingsbury. He get at Kingsbury

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in the dining room in mid afternoon, directing arrangements for

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a large private party to be held that night. Across

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the dance floor, the orchestra was on the bands stand, rehearsing,

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the musicians in their shirt sleeves. Kingsbury was reserved, not

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too cooperative. Yes, I was acquainted with mister Renolds, no

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more than the other guests.

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Speaker 5: Though that's not the way we get it, mister Kingsbury here,

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you were pretty friendly with him.

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Speaker 7: Only as far as my job goes, that's my business

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making people feel at home, making them comfortable.

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Speaker 2: We I understand Reynolds was a pretty heavy tipper, Is

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that right? He always took good care of me and

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the boys.

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Speaker 8: The waiter.

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Speaker 2: He was very generous. Did he expect anything special in

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return for the tips that he gave? I don't think

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I understand why they you do? How about it?

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Speaker 7: Well, he was always very good to us, all of us,

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so I can highly refuse, refuse what When he first

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moved into the hotel, he became friendly with me, introduced himself,

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gave me a good tip in advance to take care

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of him. First few nights here he spent at the

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cocktail bar, you know, meeting people, buying a few drinks,

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getting acquainted. Third or fourth night, that's when he asked me.

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You know, he said, once some prominent women came into

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the dining room, wealthy women, would I point them out

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to him? Single women? Of course, I couldn't see any harm.

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And then he put a twenty dollars bill in my hand.

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I said, yes, I would, After all, we have to

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look out for ourself.

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Speaker 2: Did he expect anything else for those tips?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he'll be right if I told you.

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You know, while we're here, mister Kingsbury, we leveled with him.

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We expect you to do the same with us.

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Speaker 7: Well, there was the two Wagoner sisters. They came here

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every Sunday night for dinner. Regular routine for them. Yeah,

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mister Reynolds is at the bar. He asked who they

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were and I told him. He seemed impressed. He asked

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me to help with an introduction to them, and I did.

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Next afternoon he came to me again. He said he

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was taking one of the Wagoner's sisters to dinner that night.

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It was important to him, and gave me another big tip.

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Said he wanted us to roll out the red coppet

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for him that night. What that consists of, well, special consideration,

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the best treatment in the house.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: I was to act as if I'd known him for years. Well,

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it was a good tip. I did what he asked.

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Did I say, we have to look out for ourself.

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Has happened on once today? Two or three times? Yeah,

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Miss Wagner, Athy Wagner. She seemed impressed. At the time.

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I didn't think anything was wrong with it.

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Speaker 4: You actually didn't know Reynolds, Is that right? You'd never

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seen him before? Well, I suppose yes. I only found

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out later though reading the papers. I mean, what really happened.

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I didn't know what he was at the time. You

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couldn't see what Reynolds was up to. You didn't know

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what he was doing.

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Speaker 7: Oh, naturally not. He was a good tipper, that's all

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I know. It was the money. Yeah, look up for herself. Yeah.

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I felt sorry about miss Wagner. I went to the funeral.

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They couldn't say I'm to blame, could they?

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Speaker 2: What happened? I mean, it's not on my conscience. You

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wouldn't say so, would you. She's dead, mister, you figured it.

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Speaker 4: Thursday, October thirteenth, the investigation continued, still no sign of

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the suspect. We got an answer from Las Vegas and

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also from the Chicago p d's Bunco detail on our inquiries.

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They enclosed mugshots and fingerprint classification of the suspect, Frank

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Richland alias Charles R.

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Speaker 2: Reynolds.

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Speaker 4: The pictures were shown to witnesses and acquaintances who'd known

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the suspect, and they definitely established for Thank Richland and

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Charles Reynolds as one and the same person. We got

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out of supplementary APV containing the latest information on the suspect. Saturday,

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October fifteenth, we got our second complaint on the marriage

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Bunco artist, this time from the propractice of a small

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chain of lunch counters in the San Pedro area. From

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missus Hagar Linstrom ed and I drove down to the

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Harbor area, where we interviewed her. At one of her

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lunch counters, she identified Richland's mugshot. Her story of the

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marriage swindle matched closely with that of the previous victim,

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Dorothy Wagner.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he was a fine gentleman, mister young richlid it

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will know what happened.

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Speaker 6: They don't know what to say.

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Speaker 2: He told you it was from England, Miss Winstrom, Is

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that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 9: He talked like Englishmen. He could speak good English, like

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from London or someplace. Says he builds boats, baked once

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beg boats. Oh, yes, he told me that's his business.

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He said he had lots of mone Maybe he would

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sail around the Verve on the honeymoon. Maybe he will

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come back still, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't call on that, Miss Linstrom. Would you

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tell us this please? How'd you happen to meet this

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man Richland at.

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Speaker 9: The hotel up the street, the Bay Hotel? Taking sure

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to ye, the one on the Axon Street. Yes, they

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seem to know. He was a rich man, nice clothes here.

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He spent money a lot, and they got married. They

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spent lots of money.

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Speaker 2: Where were you married, ma'am?

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Speaker 9: They went down to Mexico one weekend, liven down there

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and they got married.

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Speaker 6: It's just romantic, very nice. If I'm Mars liked it.

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Speaker 2: Who's that, ma'am?

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Speaker 6: Lars? That's him down the counter there, Lars, my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Oh, your brother went along with you when you got married,

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Is that right?

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Speaker 9: Lars and I go every choice together. They don't do

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anything without Lars, mister Richland, that's nice about it. He

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does seem to mind. Lars used a minnes. They call

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him a Lars. Huh, Lars a Norse.

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Speaker 6: And I run the business together. At the's all the

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fountains we have. It's a long time.

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Speaker 9: They have work at it, hard work it. We make

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good living. Not easy though, that's fright. It was so

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bad mister Rishland. Three thousand dollars he took, They said

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that halielas. They want to know about mister Reshland a.

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Speaker 2: He was no good when they find them eating.

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Speaker 4: Another three thousand dollars he got from you, ma'am?

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Speaker 2: How did that work. I mean, did you give him

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the money? Lend it to him? Just? What was it?

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Speaker 9: When we came back to mix a coof friend being married,

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mister Rishland and me and Flars, he said it was

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waiting for money from his bank in New York. Mister

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Reshland said that he wrote me a check for three

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thousand dollars. He gave him a check for three thousand.

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Speaker 6: Even Mars thought it was all right.

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Speaker 2: The new Lars, Yeah, it was crazy. His check was

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no good. He beat nim up paper chin good. It's

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quite a bit of money, Miss Linstrom. What kind of

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a story do they give you?

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Speaker 9: He would buy the tickets for a honeymoon trip, That's

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what he said.

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Speaker 6: I don't trip together.

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Speaker 9: Romantic mister Rishland and me and Lars, Hey didn't mind

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last coming along?

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Speaker 2: Heather that Hey, Lars, No, he didn't now this.

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Speaker 4: Richland disappeared right after he cast you checked, Yes.

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Speaker 9: Sir, he got the money and he was gone six

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days ago. They've never hurt him. A don't know I

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had did this to us.

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Speaker 6: He thought he loved me. He thought he lost my husband.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen or heard anything of him since he disappeared.

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Speaker 6: Not me and no lars. But maybe they know. That's

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why they call you officers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, they have.

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Speaker 9: His friend on town. Yeah, I'm Swenson. He met mister

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Racheland law once friend of us here. It's fens and

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callars on the telephone. He said he saw mister Rationlan

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downtown going into the hotel.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure it was Richard?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he said he so.

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Speaker 2: I long ago to see him, and last night.

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Speaker 4: We got on the phone right away and talked to

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the friend of the linstruments, James Swinson, who gave us

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the name and location of the downtown hotel where he

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thought he'd seen the suspect Richland the night before. Ed

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called the hotel and checked with a desk clerk.

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Speaker 5: Yes, fairly to all wavy gray hair, fair complexion, might

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be registered as John Richland.

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Speaker 2: M Hey, what check with you later? Hi? Any what?

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Speaker 5: I registered as Harold Richland. Descriptions match. He's still there

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checked out this morning.

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Speaker 10: You are listening to drag met authentic stories of your

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police force and action.

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Speaker 4: Saturday, October fifteenth, two thirty pm at Jacobs and I

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drove back downtown to the hotel where the Bunco suspect

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Richland supposedly had been staying. The desk clerk definitely identified

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his mugshot and told us that the man registered as

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Harold Richland had checked out a few minutes before nine

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am that morning, no forwarding address. We examined the room

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he'd been staying in, talked to the residents and the

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employees of the hotel, but we failed to come up

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with a single lead as to the suspects whereabouts. During

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the week that followed, we received three different kickbacks on

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the all points we'd gotten out on Richland. We checked

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each one of them out, but they failed to materialize

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into anything. We stayed on it. October nineteenth, Wednesday, seven

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fifty am. Morny, Hi, what's doing?

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Speaker 5: Charlie Frost called from Forgery. He went over to talk

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to him and came up with something on the Richland thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it? Picked up a woman.

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Speaker 5: Last night the name of Helen Stokes got a good

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sized record checks Bunco Records now got her this time

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on a check beef. She wrote one for thirty five

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hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was a time with us. Check was

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made out to Harold Richland.

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Speaker 4: Eight fifteen am we signed out, drove over to the

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main jail and had the forgery suspect Helen Stokes brought

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to one of the interrogation rooms. She was a dark haired,

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fairly attractive woman in her early thirties. As a bunco artist,

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she apparently knew her trade pretty well. She was relaxed

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and talkative. She told us Richland and introduced himself to

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her at a Palm Springs resort the week before when

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the business at the check come up as.

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Speaker 11: Soon as we got back in turn and gave me

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the story. His money was in a New York bank.

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I played along with a gag. He wrote me a

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piece of wallpaper for thirty five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: I did the same for him.

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Speaker 6: What's the difference? Nobody hurt both check solid rubber.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you forget, ma'am, there's a law against it.

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Speaker 6: To me a gag. I told you that. You would

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have loved to have seen his face when he found

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out the check was a phony.

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Speaker 11: You don't think they're gonna push the charge against me,

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do you.

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Speaker 4: No, We've already told him and she wrote a bad one.

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There's a law against it.

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Speaker 11: That was only stringing him around. I mean, his check

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was a phony. Too, I didn't have anything to gain. Look,

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suppose I help you find him? Would you give me

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a hand on this? See I get a break.

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Speaker 5: We can't make any promises. You cooperate helps find Richland?

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Be taking into consideration, all right, cheer on?

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Speaker 6: You can tell a lover boy, I tip.

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Speaker 11: Chure you know where Richland is now I can come

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close to hers. I mean I know where will be

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next week.

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Speaker 4: On further questioning, Helen Stokes told us that on one occasion,

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while she was at Palm Springs with Richland, she prowled

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his hotel room, went through his personal effects, and read

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his correspondence. She told us that she read one letter

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from a friend of Richland's inviting him for a visit

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the week of October thirty first. She also noted Rixland's

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answer accepting the invitation. She said the friend's name was Maurice.

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Speaker 2: Archer, and that the letter came from an Ocean Boulevard

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address in the beach town of Venice.

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Speaker 4: We went back to the office ran Archer's name, threw

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R and I and found out that he had a

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previous criminal record of petty theft and grand theft. We

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located him in an ocean Boulevard address and brought him

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in for interrogation.

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Speaker 2: If there was any trouble, he wanted no part of it.

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Speaker 4: After talking to him only a few minutes, he broke

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down and told us where we could find Richland, an

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address out near the end of Melrose Avenue. It was

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an apartment court.

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Speaker 2: The suspect was registered in one of the rare cottages

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under the name of Reynolds. It wasn't at home, ed

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and I went on stakeout inside the cottage.

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Speaker 4: We waited six point thirty pm.

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Speaker 2: Somebody coming in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, call it right there, mister police officers.

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Speaker 2: What's this? Hands out neiltman? Come on up. I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: They want to shake him down in Yeah all.

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Speaker 2: Right, queen.

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Speaker 7: Look, I don't know what you want, officers, but it

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is a mistake. Your name Charles Reynolds Reynold, No, my

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name is Richland. That don't do Let's go now.

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Speaker 2: Please? What am I accused of? Who's accusing you? Last

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pigeon you had lined up, she wanted us to tell

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you Helmond Stokes.

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Speaker 7: Stokes only Dan. You can't believe her, officers. She's phony,

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She's nothing but a connor. It's a good reason to

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believe her.

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Speaker 4: Well, it takes one to know one.

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Speaker 2: Seven oh five pm.

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Speaker 4: After checking through the cottage, ed and idro Richland downtown

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and took him to the interrogation room.

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Speaker 2: He'd admit nothing.

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Speaker 4: We called miss Wagner, the sister of his first victim,

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and she was still in town. She agreed to come

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down to the office to confront the suspect.

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Speaker 2: So did the second victim, Agar Linstrom and.

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Speaker 4: Her brother Lars. Cars were set out to pick them

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up and a special show up. Richland was picked out

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as the guilty man. We took him back to the

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interrogation room. Miss Wagner was the first one called in.

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She again identified Richland alias Reynolds, as the man who

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had married and swindled her sister Dorothy.

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Speaker 2: All right, miss Werner, that'll be all, thanks very much

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for coming in.

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Speaker 6: Yes, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 7: Look, I don't know that woman. I'm not trying to

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be stubborn, but I'm afraid you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: I met them and you want Listrom's are outside y'all

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waiting all.

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Speaker 12: Right for you, Miss Lens from mister Linsco from many place,

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Miss Linston, mister Winston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know you.

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Speaker 9: I've never seen you before you married me, John, you

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wanted to be my husband.

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Speaker 6: You said that, Why did you want to hurt me?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 9: I don't know what you said for you and me

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and marsh to go in the boat honeymoon around the world.

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Speaker 6: You and me and Marsh you said on those things?

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Why did you want to hurt us?

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Speaker 2: But enough for you. I don't know what they're talking about.

548
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Bait you will. Mister mars Bice, he said you all

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go around the world honeymoon? All right, all right, get

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him out of here, okay, mister Winston, thanks.

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Speaker 6: It's no good Lars, come not this please?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank him, thank you very much. All right, all right, Ris,

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you're ready to give us a statement?

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Speaker 13: Right?

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Speaker 2: Don't tell you.

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Speaker 7: You can't blame me for that one though. You wouldn't

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have gone through with that view yourself. Nobody would have.

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Speaker 2: What's wrong? A nice looking girl? Sure? I don't mean man.

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What do you mean, big clown? Or brother Lawrence? Yeah?

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How'd you like to take that along on a honeymoon?

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The story you have just heard was true. The names

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were changed to protect the innocence.

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Speaker 10: On January fourteenth, trial was held in Superior Court Department

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eighty eighth City and County of Los Angeles, State of

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California in a moment the results of that trial. Frank

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Richland was tried and convicted of two counts of grand

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theft and three counts of forgery of a fictitious name.

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After serving his term in the state penitentiary at San Quentin, California,

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he used to be released to Chicago authorities for prosecution.

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Grand theft is punishable by imprisonment for not less than

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one nor more than ten years. Forgery of a fictitious

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name is punishable by imprisonment from two to fourteen years.

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You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases

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from official files. Technical advice comes from the Office of

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Chief of Police, wh Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. Heard

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tonight where Barney Phillips and Virginia Gregg. Script by Jim Moser,

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music by Walter Schumann, Hell Gibney speaking.

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Speaker 2: February eighteenth.

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Speaker 3: Here the Gala City Service Silver Radio Jubilee on NBC.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back of that little one. Technical delay at the

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beginning was a bit rare and different, but really all

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we missed was the sort of introductory comments, so we

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essentially do get the whole story. This one is an

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interesting one, and certainly a couple of interesting marriage cases.

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You definitely feel like that there was a bit more

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going on with the sister and her feelings. And while

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I can sort of understand the sentiment of why he

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didn't want to marry the second victim, the fact that

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she wanted to take her brother along on the honeymoon

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is a perfectly valid reason to not marry her, but

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not to count her out of her money. All right,

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listener comments and feedback now, and we go to a

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comment from Jeff on Patreon, who writes regarding the the

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court interesting to hear an episode with court scenes included,

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since that it is off an overlooked part of police

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on the radio. And that is a good point. We

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rarely get to experience, and this wasn't just on radio,

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but television as well. We rarely get to experience the

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whole courtroom aspect on Dragnet, either TV or radio. Yeah,

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and you occasionally get a scene or two something like

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what you got in The Big I Am, And they

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also had that grand jury scene in the nineteen fifty

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four Dragnet movie. But because the episodes are usually structured

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around the investigations, you don't get a whole lot of

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time in court, and kind of to make up for that,

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Dragnet did do a couple of court focused episodes. The

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other one I can think of is the Courtroom from

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season four of the nineteen sixties drag Net. Well, now

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it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day,

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will be back next Thursday with another episode of Dragnet.

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But join us back here tomorrow for yours truly, Johnny Dollar.

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Speaker 8: Where I, mister Dollar, make yourself at home. I must say,

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you want it all upset about the loss of your warehouse?

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Should I be sit down? Sure, mister Dollar.

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Speaker 13: That building's in a losing proposition for years because of

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its bad location, because of zoning restrictions and the cost

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to tearing it down. I have done nothing but lose

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money on it all. But I've been very careful to

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keep up the insurance, so now that it's gone up

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in flames, I shall let long last collect on it.

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Speaker 8: Three hundred and forty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 13: That's right, And with whatever I can get from some

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of the misguided investor of the land itself, I'll be

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sitting pretty I see now. Don't get any funny ideas,

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mister investigator. The police have found nothing whatsoever to suggests Arson,

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No will they.

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Speaker 8: You sound pretty sure of that. I'm sure of it,

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even if it were a job that you didn't have done,

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I'm sure of it. You know something, mister Barnwell, I'm

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not so.

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Speaker 13: If you can be of any help in putting through.

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Speaker 8: My can you hear what I said? I heard? Mister

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Dollar doesn't worry me a bit.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime,

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send your comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net,

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