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Speaker 2: Here I come again on the FTP. The for the people.
Speaker 2: Somehow these two yay who's convinced me to come on
Speaker 2: here even though they both turned me down to come
Speaker 2: to Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: And we can't let that happen. We just can't let
Speaker 1: that happen on this podcast because we are for the people.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day. The guy's a hell
Speaker 3: of a player beyond nails.
Speaker 1: That is the hardest part three of the pjjorgan It's
Speaker 1: a hybrid three iron or four iron. Every day it's.
Speaker 3: For the people. You're the last group off off a
Speaker 3: split t horseshoe on number ten and you do a
Speaker 3: happy gill more. What the hell's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, we have Greg Sands on FDP. Today's
Speaker 1: co host co host season over here. Greg Sands probably
Speaker 1: one of the best Division one golf coaches to ever
Speaker 1: do it. Hall of famer. He's got fort worthrees, He's
Speaker 1: now in Lubbock, does not want to leave obviously, just
Speaker 1: signed a seven year deal extension over there in Lubbock,
Speaker 1: has the number one, two, three, four something like that
Speaker 1: team in the country right now. But he joins us
Speaker 1: on FTP, making his FTP debut. Coach Sands, Hey, good Peter,
Speaker 1: how are you doing man?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: Was any of that accurate? Was any of that accurate
Speaker 3: that he just said?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he covered his bases one through four actually not
Speaker 2: Fort Worth, but I obviously went to school there, but
Speaker 2: damn it, I'm going to see, you know, East Texas
Speaker 2: guy and been seven years before, so we'll give him
Speaker 2: credit for that. But ununderstandable, that's where I recruited him.
Speaker 2: So that's where he remembers me from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. That was That was you know,
Speaker 1: I would have been a Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 1: I would have if the hotel room that we were
Speaker 1: staying in on my official visit was not covered in roaches. Dude,
Speaker 1: my mom. My mom couldn't handle it. She was like,
Speaker 1: all right, you know one roach is fine. Twelve twelve
Speaker 1: Uh huh, you're not. You're not going to Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's not your decision, but I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to blame that on Marty McCauley.
Speaker 2: But because he told me it was done, you verbally committed,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going.
Speaker 2: I hope it was an unofficial visit because if we
Speaker 2: were in control of that that hotel, then that's that's
Speaker 2: on us.
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Actually, oh man, Pete still loves Texas Tech. PD cheers
Speaker 3: for Tech against TCU every single time.
Speaker 1: Like that's true.
Speaker 3: I know they're not his one because he's an LSU.
Speaker 3: I mean, just freaking blinded by the LSU sec buy.
Speaker 3: But like they're a they're a firm number two, like well,
Speaker 3: well on a pedestal number two, which is which is good?
Speaker 3: He love he loved it was, well you were beatasy,
Speaker 3: so younger Ralls was there like when I when I
Speaker 3: was in high school. Was true, there was no that
Speaker 3: was a big deal man hidden hidden uh kidden Slingers
Speaker 3: at meadow Brook was just that was a tough way
Speaker 3: to That was a tough way to do it.
Speaker 1: Meadow Brook was that was a cowpad. He wasn't man.
Speaker 1: We had regionals. We had regionals at meadow Brook my
Speaker 1: freshman year at Paschal and I remember Franklin Corporating was playing.
Speaker 1: We had a bunch of good guys on our team,
Speaker 1: but I was I asked coach. I tried with Tramps
Speaker 1: Wilson was my coach pa I was like, Travis, is
Speaker 1: this where tech plays? He's like yeah, but they have
Speaker 1: this badass place opening up down the road and sure Ship,
Speaker 1: like two years later the Raws Courts opened up and
Speaker 1: they moved regionals to there. But that was back when y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all didn't even have a clubhouse. It was in a trailer,
Speaker 1: like we were. We were eating in a trailer for
Speaker 1: years that that trailer was was there for what ten?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was there from o Ford and like twenty
Speaker 2: ten we were in that that triple wide. We spent
Speaker 2: all of our money on the golf course and had
Speaker 2: to reload for the reloading for the clubhouse. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it was They had had some great food there. I
Speaker 2: think the food was better in the ould triple wide.
Speaker 2: Something was in the grease out there. It was great.
Speaker 1: So now you'll have a sick facility, though, you'll have
Speaker 1: a I mean, just like everyone that contends for national
Speaker 1: championships and men's golf. I mean, you see these facilities
Speaker 1: these kids practice at nowadays, and they're they're better than
Speaker 1: country clubs, a lot of them. So when did that
Speaker 1: get built? And like how big is it? What have
Speaker 1: you gotten there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've kind of, you know, keep we keep adding
Speaker 2: on a little bit here and there. Like I said,
Speaker 2: the course was four and then then we got the
Speaker 2: clubhouse and team facility, which is two separate buildings of
Speaker 2: twenty ten and that's when the short game area was here.
Speaker 2: But we've done some renovations to that and then we
Speaker 2: just got finished with renovating our driving range and and
Speaker 2: doing a few things there. So yeah, I just kind
Speaker 2: of try to keep keeping up with the Jones and
Speaker 2: so to speak. It's a lot of great facilities out there,
Speaker 2: and and I feel like we probably need to do
Speaker 2: a few more things, to be honest, but the golf
Speaker 2: course has been great for us. I mean, obviously we
Speaker 2: we get to have the shore game area have a
Speaker 2: lot of development there, and then just having a place
Speaker 2: that we can get on whenever we want to is gold.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's good, King Collins. The architects of the
Speaker 3: Red Feather, they kind of, you guys, revamped the driving
Speaker 3: range a little bit too, target area and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So they few new targets and it's it's awesome, man.
Speaker 3: You guys have you guys have a good setup. It
Speaker 3: seems like they redid the practice area too, like in
Speaker 3: the last year or so, right, right, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we built a new putting green, a really big
Speaker 2: putting green that you do a lot of chipping, elevated pitches.
Speaker 2: And then, like you said, King Collins, uh reshaped part
Speaker 2: of half of our driving range with is ours and
Speaker 2: this is a really cool feature, six or seven greens.
Speaker 2: They tilted some of it back towards the front of
Speaker 2: the range and then also added a south team if
Speaker 2: we want to hit from a north wind, which comes
Speaker 2: in handy on some of the cooler days where we
Speaker 2: get a north wind. So that's been it's been great.
Speaker 2: We have a few hitting bays there too if we
Speaker 2: need to get out of the elements. But yeah, it's been.
Speaker 2: It's been. Uh you know really it's the one thing
Speaker 2: that's probably got our program from a top thirty program
Speaker 2: to be even better. So you have to give a
Speaker 2: lot of credit to Jerry Rawls and a lot of
Speaker 2: the donors who have bought into helping us keep moving
Speaker 2: this thing forward. Clay Cash has been as you got
Speaker 2: to say, nails on h Yeah. Him, he's been an
Speaker 2: incredible benefactor. After we built this golf course, he's he's
Speaker 2: continued to contribute, not only helping out with the agga
Speaker 2: that we have out here and getting some young talent
Speaker 2: out here so they can see see the golf course.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, we kind of parlayed everything into successful program.
Speaker 1: Do you think that a facility like y'all's when you
Speaker 1: bring a recruit in and they see, I don't know
Speaker 1: how big it's got to be three four or five
Speaker 1: six thousand square feet where it's just the guys. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they have their own keys or a
Speaker 1: touchscreen or a thumbprint that they get in, but they
Speaker 1: feel like it's theirs that they can go and not
Speaker 1: be bothered by anyone. They can practice, do their homework, hangout,
Speaker 1: do whatever they want. They have a place to go.
Speaker 1: Like how important to recruiting is something like that for
Speaker 1: these high school kids coming in to look at Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge. I mean I feel like that Texas
Speaker 2: Tech is and the administration Athletic administration has been great
Speaker 2: to to, you know, help us make it feel like
Speaker 2: this is ours. I mean, guys can go go do
Speaker 2: their workout in the morning and show up in their
Speaker 2: workout shorts and T shirt, go in our short game
Speaker 2: area and not feel like they've got to you know,
Speaker 2: go put on collared shirt and things that you need
Speaker 2: to do at nice places, and you know, just that
Speaker 2: feeling alone coming in here. They can do some study
Speaker 2: and they can go back out. And I remember back
Speaker 2: when I first started coaching, I remember kind of stuck
Speaker 2: in my mind when I went to Oklahoma State Facility.
Speaker 2: I was a camper there and helped out there, and
Speaker 2: I saw some of those guys Chris Tidlin back in
Speaker 2: the day and those guys that have their shirts off
Speaker 2: hitting balls, getting the sun Tannage kinds stuck in my mind.
Speaker 2: But you know, nothing says ownership when you just get
Speaker 2: to strip the shirt off and hits the GoF wall
Speaker 2: so right. You know, that's a big thing for these kids.
Speaker 2: They want to they want to have access, you know,
Speaker 2: they want to feel like they can go do the
Speaker 2: do you and so many of these kids that they
Speaker 2: want to practice four or five, six seven hours a
Speaker 2: day and they can here, Yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Can, they can do whatever that Kaleid, when's the last
Speaker 1: time you practiced four or five six hours.
Speaker 3: I was a practice. I was a big time practicer,
Speaker 3: like when I was playing full time because I figured
Speaker 3: like I would just practice my way out of sucking
Speaker 3: when I wasn't playing good. But but now, dude, the
Speaker 3: kids are so good now too. It's just the tech.
Speaker 3: Like we've talked about it before on this like Forget
Speaker 3: track Man and things like this. But there's there's certain
Speaker 3: things you can look at when you're like playing well,
Speaker 3: certain numbers and almost know what you have to get
Speaker 3: back to. Obviously there's video and stuff like that and
Speaker 3: you have to know how to or but like coach
Speaker 3: Sands will tell you, like sixteen year olds an now
Speaker 3: are better than they were fifteen twenty years ago whenever
Speaker 3: like you got your start, they like they just are.
Speaker 3: I remember when ty Tryon made the cut as like
Speaker 3: a sixteen or seventeen year old in a PGA tour event,
Speaker 3: and I think like Calloween Target paid him like ten
Speaker 3: million dollars, Like it was the craziest shit anybody's ever
Speaker 3: seen in their life. And now it's like people would
Speaker 3: be like go back to go back to get your
Speaker 3: driver's license, like nice to claim this week. But whatever,
Speaker 3: It's like there's there's one hundred kids that could do
Speaker 3: that if they got into it, into a tour event.
Speaker 3: So it's changed. It's changed a lot.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, practice seven hours. I don't know, I could tell
Speaker 3: I can I know you have probably never done that, Beaty.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe cumulutive addition for a whole week, you might
Speaker 3: have practiced seven hours. I don't know, but that's that's
Speaker 3: a lot. Coach, what do you guys, because you were
Speaker 3: at you obviously you know, you were assistant at TCU,
Speaker 3: then came over to Tech and it actually listened to
Speaker 3: Montagel did a pod with Coach McGraw and Baylor. It's
Speaker 3: pretty good. Monica was like send it to me. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, coach, you know how to attach a leak.
Speaker 3: That's prettyous, man, that's awesome. So I listened to it.
Speaker 3: It was it was really good. But he had talked
Speaker 3: about you in there. He actually like my freshman year. Actually,
Speaker 3: Alan Bratton was the assistant, so he had like a
Speaker 3: nice little role really only for a semester. I didn't
Speaker 3: know that he was in no man's land. He like
Speaker 3: had no status playing anywhere. He's like, maybe I'll get
Speaker 3: into coaching. He was doing Monday qualifiers. You know how
Speaker 3: bad those suck? And yeah, he was my whole freshman year.
Speaker 3: There was only six guys on the team, and so
Speaker 3: I like I hung out with him every day, and
Speaker 3: you know he's smarter whatever. But yeah, he had a
Speaker 3: good he had a good little run. But so Montaguil
Speaker 3: kind of like you said, he went to the Oklahoma
Speaker 3: State camp because he's like, holders, Holder is the best
Speaker 3: we're gonna go on. He does blah because he's a
Speaker 3: basketball coach. He didn't know what he was doing. He's like,
Speaker 3: what's qualifying it? Because we read five guys to a tournament,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. He had no idea, But it's you
Speaker 3: know he was telling the whole story. He was like,
Speaker 3: it was awesome.
Speaker 2: Well he was genius. You know, he had Dana bel genius. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I'll give him credit. You know, he found
Speaker 2: the places he needed some help, and he went down
Speaker 2: the great people. I mean, he's had Johnson Johnson Claire
Speaker 2: over the years helping those guys develop their metal game
Speaker 2: different Dana Ballander. I mean, of course it helps being
Speaker 2: in the metroplext with a lot of good, good resources.
Speaker 2: But you got to give him credit. And I'm and
Speaker 2: I'm one of them. I was just begging him to
Speaker 2: get into profession. I was like, I just happened to
Speaker 2: just played for him, very little played for him, and
Speaker 2: just like, hey, I think I want to coach. That's
Speaker 2: what I've always wanted to do. Can I shuffle some
Speaker 2: papers and types of emails for you? Because he wasn't
Speaker 2: proficient with that kind of stuff. He's like, yeah, sure, coach,
Speaker 2: come on over here.
Speaker 1: So dude, everybody's impressions of Bill Montague are all the same.
Speaker 1: It's like when you in person, yeah they do, everyone
Speaker 1: loves it. But when you impersonate somebody usually there's some
Speaker 1: sort of variance there. But Everyone's like, oh yeah, Bill
Speaker 1: talking like this. Everyone does it, everyone does the same ship.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's exactly how he is.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: But no, he is What a legend. What a legend
Speaker 1: going out and going out in May? What's dude? I
Speaker 1: wanted to know how big the NIL things are college golf? Right,
Speaker 1: is there any nil stuff going on? I know these
Speaker 1: kids have been getting equipment forever. I mean I got equipment,
Speaker 1: Clean got equipment, but we'd never got any money. Like
Speaker 1: you've got the best player in the world or one
Speaker 1: of them?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is is he getting? Is loved getting paid too?
Speaker 2: On the n I L side, you know that obviously
Speaker 2: the agents are all over him, have been all over him,
Speaker 2: and and he can't sign, you know yet, but he
Speaker 2: can sign in the n I L space, and he
Speaker 2: has with UH with Wasserman in the NIL space. And
Speaker 2: of course they did a bang up job of getting
Speaker 2: them some deals. And you know, we thought that that
Speaker 2: international kids couldn't get money, but they were smart enough
Speaker 2: to figure out, Hey, if he goes and plays some
Speaker 2: things over overseas, then then that found some loopholes and
Speaker 2: he's getting He's getting a pretty good deal. I don't
Speaker 2: want to tell you what it is, but I guarantee
Speaker 2: it's the best thing going. And and uh uh, you know,
Speaker 2: he he really really likes Nike clothing, but Adidas Adidas
Speaker 2: uh is the one that that has given him some
Speaker 2: nil money. And I would say they based on what,
Speaker 2: you know, what they've done, they may have caught up
Speaker 2: there to where it's going to be a you know,
Speaker 2: a tough decision for him when when he does that
Speaker 2: term pro. But he's got a little bit from them,
Speaker 2: and and uh, a little bit from from another club company.
Speaker 2: Maybe I shouldn't have said Adidas on there with under
Speaker 2: our school, but the point being is that they've definitely
Speaker 2: entered this. Yeah, then we have one other kid that's
Speaker 2: or two or three other kids are getting some small
Speaker 2: things that kind of happened organically back in their hometowns
Speaker 2: or you know, different things like that. It hasn't quite
Speaker 2: come into it. I mean I've heard about things specifically
Speaker 2: maybe SEC and a couple of things. I know that
Speaker 2: that some kids are getting some things from a collective.
Speaker 2: I think we have one guy getting getting something for
Speaker 2: collective and on our team. So it's starting to enter
Speaker 2: into the collective space where it almost feels like some
Speaker 2: of these coaches are recruiting with that, even though technically
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 1: M yeah, that was gonna be My next question is
Speaker 1: I know that the deal can't get they can't be
Speaker 1: associated with the school, but it's almost impossible to not
Speaker 1: have them associated with the school, right because you are
Speaker 1: going to that school because you're hey, either by some
Speaker 1: other entity or whatever. But because of the entities that
Speaker 1: you're getting these dollars from, they can't lock you into
Speaker 1: a multi year contract or like a is it a
Speaker 1: year by.
Speaker 2: Year deal for the most part these kids, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's a year by year you know. Really they
Speaker 2: keep the coaches out of the loop. I mean, the
Speaker 2: only thing that we can recruit with is basically, you know,
Speaker 2: we can tell them how many kids at Texas Tech
Speaker 2: are getting deals, how much total our deals are worth,
Speaker 2: you know, comprehensive, and we can share that with recruits
Speaker 2: when they come on VI and say, hey, look, we've
Speaker 2: got I don't know, seventy five students across the board,
Speaker 2: the total number that they're receiving is X amount of
Speaker 2: dollars and kind of give them some highlights of what's
Speaker 2: going on. But we can't really tell them, hey, you're
Speaker 2: going to get you know, a certain amount of money
Speaker 2: if you come here. You just really got to tell them,
Speaker 2: you know, in broad strokes, what's happening. But it's fascinating,
Speaker 2: it really is. You know how some of these things
Speaker 2: you know are happening. I know, I know there's been
Speaker 2: some things that transfer portal where you feel like, oh,
Speaker 2: school X has got to be finished with scholarship and
Speaker 2: lot of the hole they get another player and and
Speaker 2: so you know, had to be some sort of nil
Speaker 2: thing that that ended up pushing over the edge. And
Speaker 2: I guess in the in the in the golf world,
Speaker 2: sometimes a little more kids kids usually maybe have the
Speaker 2: money to go for free. So I don't want to
Speaker 2: say it always happened that way, but you're starting I'm
Speaker 2: starting to get the sense that some of these kids
Speaker 2: in the portal or are making decisions to go to
Speaker 2: these schools and there's some an il deals attached to those.
Speaker 1: Are they just going to schools that they know you
Speaker 1: just you just know they wouldn't go.
Speaker 2: To Well you just feel like, hey, there's no way
Speaker 2: they had some money. How are they getting this kid
Speaker 2: that that you know, that's a really good player that's
Speaker 2: in the portals and yeah, exactly got four and a half.
Speaker 2: So anyway, you know, it's kind of like the Fitch stores.
Speaker 2: It gets bigger and bigger, but it's happening. It's definitely
Speaker 2: happened in the golf space.
Speaker 3: Seems like it would hurt at school, Like I mean,
Speaker 3: in that scenario like TCU where it's seventy grand to
Speaker 3: go or something. I have no idea if a school
Speaker 3: is less, it's like, oh, yeah, the boosters are like,
Speaker 3: we'll put a quarter of a million in nil and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden we have an extra ten scholarships
Speaker 3: full scholarships or whatever we have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's a pretty good, pretty good way
Speaker 3: to get around it.
Speaker 2: I guess, jeez, I think it's staggering the numbers of
Speaker 2: basketball kids are getting it. And really it just feels
Speaker 2: like to me, I mean, it feels like, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you go jump back in the portal. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like your free agency. I mean, jump back in. You
Speaker 2: can always come back to the school you were at
Speaker 2: and you know, bump it up to the number you want,
Speaker 2: and if you want to get that number, go to
Speaker 2: that place. If not, stay there and keep getting what
Speaker 2: you're getting. But you know, I think it's going to
Speaker 2: calm down. I know. I know recently they've they've made
Speaker 2: some changes on the how many times you can transfer
Speaker 2: in a few tweaks here and there. I haven't polished
Speaker 2: up on exactly all those things, but I know that's
Speaker 2: happening with football and basketball where they're starting to come
Speaker 2: up with some things that may, you know, help keep
Speaker 2: that under control.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they've they've got I saw some kid
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He's going to be playing at his fourth
Speaker 1: school this fall, and it's like sixth or seventh year
Speaker 1: of eligibility, right, Like, I just don't understand it anymore.
Speaker 1: Like when I was growing up, and when y'all were
Speaker 1: growing up, you committed, you played, and that was it,
Speaker 1: Like you didn't go anywhere else. I wanted to transfer
Speaker 1: so bad my first semester at LSU, I wanted to
Speaker 1: leave so bad. I didn't know anyone there. No one
Speaker 1: from Fort Worth went to bat Crews. I had a
Speaker 1: hard time fitting in down there to the culture. But
Speaker 1: you know, thank god my dad. I came home. My
Speaker 1: dad was like, you got a full scholarship, You're staying
Speaker 1: your ass down there, you're figuring it out. I'm glad
Speaker 1: I did hindsight twenty twenty, but man, I wanted to
Speaker 1: leave so bad. But nowadays, nowadays, I feel as if
Speaker 1: you know the way these kids have to be close,
Speaker 1: they're not. They're softer than they used to be. For
Speaker 1: I mean, they are. The kids are just soft for
Speaker 1: these days. You can't coach them as hard, can't run
Speaker 1: them as hard, can't work them out as hard, can't
Speaker 1: talk to them like good twenty years ago. But they
Speaker 1: just have that option always. I don't really like that.
Speaker 1: I don't like that they have an option to quit
Speaker 1: and it's fine, Like I just I can't wrap my
Speaker 1: head around, right, you know, if I suck here, I
Speaker 1: can go somewhere else and maybe I'll play it. I
Speaker 1: won't suck there like you used to have to get
Speaker 1: You used to have to get permission to transfer, and
Speaker 1: then if you transfer it in your conference, you had
Speaker 1: to sit out of here. Like none of that's the thing.
Speaker 1: None of that's the case anymore. And I don't. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't like it. I think it's fine
Speaker 1: for football because but I don't think for for every
Speaker 1: sport it's great, it's too damn confusing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a really good successful story for transfers.
Speaker 2: But I agree with your ear point, you know, like
Speaker 2: there is a value to sticking something out and seeing
Speaker 2: something through and and uh but but but yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's amazing. You know, if you would have just
Speaker 2: if you would have transferred, then who knows, it may
Speaker 2: have been just as offered the place she went for
Speaker 2: a little bit and sticking that thing through and it'll
Speaker 2: be the best thing for you. But you know, we
Speaker 2: have to embrace it. You know, that's what we do.
Speaker 2: We're coaches, so we have to embrace it and like it.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily you know, like where it first went.
Speaker 2: But now that I've embraced it, we've had actually some
Speaker 2: really good success with the portal and and really to
Speaker 2: two of our kids this year, a great kids, hardworking kids,
Speaker 2: and and uh, you know, one kid from South Carolina
Speaker 2: and another kid that came from Sacramento State. And so
Speaker 2: we've had some really good players that have come in
Speaker 2: and helped our program and added some depth and and
Speaker 2: they're happy, they're they're in a better space too. So
Speaker 2: you know, now now that I've been through a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a good thing for our program,
Speaker 2: especially you know, since we've kind of got to that
Speaker 2: point where kids view it as like, hey, it's a
Speaker 2: great place you can go. They've got a great schedule
Speaker 2: and and so things aren't working out the way they
Speaker 2: envision it. Then then we have an opportunity to at
Speaker 2: least be in the conversation when it gets get in
Speaker 2: the portal. So it's one of those things I didn't like,
Speaker 2: but now that it's heered, it's probably been been a
Speaker 2: good thing for us so far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Well, golf is still like I mean,
Speaker 3: it's an individual sport. It's a team sports, team component.
Speaker 3: But like back when I was playing, and I mean
Speaker 3: all of us, if someone transferred, they like they weren't
Speaker 3: good enough to play on the team. Basically, now it's
Speaker 3: like it's so much easier to transfer. Guys are transferring
Speaker 3: it to another program if they're if it's just a
Speaker 3: better opportunity for them, you know, like they might be
Speaker 3: if they don't exactly they're just like I'm done. Like
Speaker 3: in golf, you know it's there's an individual component, team component,
Speaker 3: but I mean, you know you're trying to shoot the
Speaker 3: low score possible yourself. And now it's guys that are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to a tech. Look at their schedule.
Speaker 3: It's a lot better. Boom transfer. I mean, great kid,
Speaker 3: our guy kit Henley, that was on the pod. Why
Speaker 3: am I drawing a black Here's at Rutgers went to
Speaker 3: Oklahoma stud kid. That's like an example, right, It's like
Speaker 3: back in the day you would just stay there and said,
Speaker 3: Now it's just like dude, I might as well just
Speaker 3: jump ship and because they play the best schedule, best exposer,
Speaker 3: see you later. But football basketball, that was a big
Speaker 3: deal because you know it wasn't all about the one person.
Speaker 3: It's like you had to you had to be on
Speaker 3: a squad, on a squad to make it happen.
Speaker 1: The guys.
Speaker 2: I feel really bad Ward in a way is you
Speaker 2: know you went and recruited at Chris got her up
Speaker 2: per se. I'm just talking about him, and you got
Speaker 2: the kid. He's starting to develop, starting to play amazing,
Speaker 2: and then he kind of feels like you're a junior
Speaker 2: college for the for the kid to go somewhere else,
Speaker 2: And it was tough, you know that The added PGA
Speaker 2: Tour university. Adds adds the fact that you've got to
Speaker 2: play a good schedule and maybe maybe like a kid
Speaker 2: like Chris is like, hey, you know, to get the
Speaker 2: status on this PGA tour, you I need to go
Speaker 2: find a schedule. And so it's all, uh, it's all,
Speaker 2: I guess a good thing, but I feel bad for
Speaker 2: the coaches who have done the work put in the
Speaker 2: time developing these kids and maybe can't reap the benefits
Speaker 2: of of what a stud that kid was. And he
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean someone fire and sixty fours at Rutgers.
Speaker 3: That's gonna get you probably in first place a majority
Speaker 3: of the events. I don't care if the other guys
Speaker 3: just started golf that semester. If you pulled him from
Speaker 3: the freaking the squad, firing sixty four's in those events
Speaker 3: is gonna be gonna be nails. Coach. So, like we
Speaker 3: were talking about Montaguel for a second, and you were
Speaker 3: the assistant there, and Montaguel learned a lot from going
Speaker 3: to the Oklahoma State golf camps, which you went to
Speaker 3: obviously learned a lot too, but from holder he learned
Speaker 3: like the qualifying and I know it's changed because you
Speaker 3: have Actually I don't want to pronounce his name. Callum
Speaker 3: Sandy's brother, right Callum, Yeah, Callum, he's he's the second
Speaker 3: ranked player right now or something in like ludvig As three.
Speaker 3: So you have two, you have two guys in the
Speaker 3: top three, So I mean not a lot of squa
Speaker 3: not a lot of squads have that zero actually, So
Speaker 3: I know qualifying could be could be a little different,
Speaker 3: like if you don't take if you don't take one
Speaker 3: of the top three guys in the country, you're gonna
Speaker 3: you're gonna feel like an idiot. Probably, So maybe you
Speaker 3: don't want to do qualifying at Reese. I mean when
Speaker 3: fifty mile an hour wins, But how do you how
Speaker 3: do you hear qualify? Because montages like you didn't finish
Speaker 3: top ten or twenty of the event before, you're qualifying.
Speaker 3: Because I don't care if you're Jesus of Nazareth, I
Speaker 3: don't care if you're Tiger Woods, I don't care, if
Speaker 3: you're Byron Nelson, you're qualifying. But if you have the
Speaker 3: two guys in the top three, I mean, what do
Speaker 3: you just say, are like, y'all don't know what you're
Speaker 3: doing to your own thing or how do you do
Speaker 3: your qualifying?
Speaker 2: You know, but those two guys love to play, and
Speaker 2: so they're not afraid to get in there mix it up.
Speaker 2: And obviously more times than not, if we're playing, you know,
Speaker 2: multiple rounds, those guys still find a way to get
Speaker 2: it done. But you know, we we do a different
Speaker 2: every time. I feel like there's so many you know,
Speaker 2: depending on the amount of time you have between events
Speaker 2: or yeah, you have a feel for it, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: And so like you know, we may like we have
Speaker 2: eight we have an eight rounder going to Hawaii. It's
Speaker 2: pretty wide open. We're gonna have four or five spots
Speaker 2: on the line. Ludwig's still out of the country. He's
Speaker 2: going to play in Dubai. So obviously the guys know
Speaker 2: he's going to go there, and I tell him, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, they know I'd be pretty stupid
Speaker 2: not to take him. So he's going to fly in
Speaker 2: and have four days before he goes there. But but
Speaker 2: you know, it ends up working itself out because we
Speaker 2: do we do take the tournaments into consideration to get exemptions.
Speaker 2: But I've got a great I feel like I have
Speaker 2: a great feel for what we need to do. I
Speaker 2: don't always get it perfect. But but you know, we
Speaker 2: we've got a schedule that that if you go play well,
Speaker 2: then the guys know, hey, that guy gets to gets
Speaker 2: to go, and if you don't, you're kind of shuffled
Speaker 2: back in. And we're trying to really create a feeling
Speaker 2: that that is more of a professional feeling that's been
Speaker 2: on purpose the last two or three years, that you
Speaker 2: know you're you're you got to go back in there
Speaker 2: and earn it. And I feel like that's the way
Speaker 2: everything is, whether you're trying to make a PGA Tour
Speaker 2: cut or you're trying to make the cutter uh at
Speaker 2: a at a at a major, and you've got a
Speaker 2: couple of rounds to get it done. And and so
Speaker 2: I think that skill I probably kicked too much early
Speaker 2: in my career. Now I'm trying to get more spots in.
Speaker 2: To be honest, we got the depth, so you know,
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of difference between our number, you know,
Speaker 2: four guy an eight guy right now or really three,
Speaker 2: and so sometimes you've got to just throw the all
Speaker 2: is up and go get it. And uh and we've
Speaker 2: got a course that can separate and a couple of
Speaker 2: places we can play and and and so it all
Speaker 2: works out.
Speaker 3: What'd you guys do PD at LSU for qualifying.
Speaker 1: So it was all based on your recent form. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't always qualifying, so you know, there was We
Speaker 1: all played amateur schedules back then, just like they do now.
Speaker 1: But for this time of year, it was tough because
Speaker 1: no one's no one's really playing. The Jones Cup was
Speaker 1: was about the only tournament that we had before the
Speaker 1: semester started. So when we got back to school for
Speaker 1: the spring semester, which is really that's really the only
Speaker 1: semester that they care about college golf. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: fall semester, it's it's vacations and football season and stuff.
Speaker 1: But the spring semester that that was, That was it.
Speaker 1: That was it for us, at least it was I
Speaker 1: think it's eight seven or eight tournaments we had, including
Speaker 1: all the way up to n C Double a's, but
Speaker 1: before the first tournament, uh, we always started at Gainesville,
Speaker 1: Florida and the Mark Bostic deal, the Florida Florida has been.
Speaker 1: It was early February, I want to say, and some
Speaker 1: of us played Jones Cup, some of us played maybe
Speaker 1: there was a there was a amateur tournament Florida too,
Speaker 1: But Chuck would always look at those be like, all right,
Speaker 1: whod he beat? Who's going to be at the tournament?
Speaker 1: And he would make a determination there whether or not
Speaker 1: those people will had to qualify. So I had to
Speaker 1: qualify pretty much every time unless I did something crazy beforehand,
Speaker 1: and then he'd exempt one, maybe two people. That was it.
Speaker 1: That was all he ever did. And but he did
Speaker 1: a lot like like coach is saying, and where even
Speaker 1: if I was the number one guy, I still had
Speaker 1: to go prove that I was the number one guy
Speaker 1: to my teammates because it was always a better idea
Speaker 1: for me to prove that to the team than for
Speaker 1: Chuck to just take me and say I was better
Speaker 1: than them. Right, So we had a golf course. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've been to University Club at bat Rouge,
Speaker 1: but have you played? Have you all been there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't. Out of all the regionals, I've never
Speaker 2: been there. But I've heard a lot of good things,
Speaker 2: and I've heard it's tough. Yeah, I heard it.
Speaker 1: It's so hard, Yeah, it's so hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Jim Light built the chorus seventy seven hundred yards
Speaker 1: at sea level, okay, and the greens are all turtleback elevated.
Speaker 1: No one ever plays it from seventy seven hundred yards,
Speaker 1: but that was if you shot even parr out there,
Speaker 1: it was you were kicking ass. That was a great
Speaker 1: scores like pointed like Carson Creek what he did. And
Speaker 1: basically if you remember Andrew Loop, Andrew Loop was on
Speaker 1: our team too, he could fly at like three forty
Speaker 1: oh yeah in twenty eleven. You know it was a freak,
Speaker 1: just a freak athlete. So he would always win the
Speaker 1: University Club qualifiers because it was a long, wide, open
Speaker 1: golf course, so we didn't have a lot of variants
Speaker 1: of where we went. We had like three courses in rotation.
Speaker 1: But if we spent the majority of the time at
Speaker 1: U Club, he would wear me out. I remember he
Speaker 1: won a qualifier by twelve shots. You know, it was
Speaker 1: a four round qualifier. We just couldn't hang with him.
Speaker 1: So y'all have a really good mix of courses over
Speaker 1: there in Lovebock with Love It Country Club. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have Red Feather next year, and you have there all
Speaker 1: sports obviously where you played most of it. So you've
Speaker 1: got a good mix of shore and long, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But that's what Chuck did. He basically took the previous
Speaker 1: form of recency, and if you played well, top ten, whatever,
Speaker 1: you were exempt. But you always usually if you weren't exempt,
Speaker 1: you always had to qualify. And that was true with
Speaker 1: the one guy, two guy, all the way down through
Speaker 1: the eighth guy. So everyone had a shot usually going
Speaker 1: into these events. That what Montagall did. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know Monaga didn't really even watch qualifying half the time, but.
Speaker 3: Dude, no, I have some stories. No he would well.
Speaker 3: I so I will say this about Montagall, his qualifying.
Speaker 3: The only time he ever picked, ever picked, was postseason,
Speaker 3: and if it was close, you qualified. But dude, if
Speaker 3: you didn't finish I think my freshman year was top twenty.
Speaker 3: It might be top ten now, but if you didn't
Speaker 3: finish top twenty, you're qualifying. And that's when guys didn't
Speaker 3: try to throw a couple of crap and I don't
Speaker 3: want to call him crappy tournaments, but now, like your
Speaker 3: record's important, So like back then, it's like we played
Speaker 3: everything like that. We played the hardest tournament every single week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played prestige and yeah all those yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, so like I mean it was. It
Speaker 3: was I mean my first like couple events, I was
Speaker 3: the five man and I played with JB. Holmes, Ryan
Speaker 3: Moorean and uh and like Kyle Rifer's like we were
Speaker 3: the five man like or right.
Speaker 2: I mean we were.
Speaker 3: We were like the scraps like playing. I mean it was.
Speaker 3: It was hard to finish top twenty. We did it,
Speaker 3: but so anyway you had to qualify. If it didn't finish,
Speaker 3: I think if you won, maybe you got two exemptions.
Speaker 3: But the rankings weren't out really, so the rankings came
Speaker 3: out like maybe my first year I played and Monagill
Speaker 3: the first like week, they came out with Sagarin golf
Speaker 3: stout whatever, right, you know he does whatever. It was
Speaker 3: a guy like Sands in there. We didn't have an assistant,
Speaker 3: but somebody was in there knowing how to work the computer,
Speaker 3: printed out the stats on it. Well me bbbby you know,
Speaker 3: like a long ast one and whatever. This tournament was.
Speaker 3: We finished last in par five scoring. Okay, so not good,
Speaker 3: but like we played like shit, but we finished last
Speaker 3: and par five scoring. So we're looking at him and
Speaker 3: he's telling us this on this sheet. So we're like
Speaker 3: what does this have to do with anything other than
Speaker 3: play the par fives better? Right, And then he said
Speaker 3: he sat on a par three and he watched us
Speaker 3: all miss our birdie puts. So we're thinking whatever, we're thinking,
Speaker 3: all right, We're like, we don't know what this has
Speaker 3: to do with anything. So to tie this all together
Speaker 3: in the coach way, he goes, we're qualifying today and
Speaker 3: this is like Hawaii qualifier. It is sleading in his
Speaker 3: forty degrees, he goes, we're going to shady Oaks. So
Speaker 3: the qualifier, we don't play any holes at all. We
Speaker 3: walk driving ranges closed, it's wet. We walked to fifteen.
Speaker 3: No excuse me, we walked to We walked to fourteen
Speaker 3: because it's a par five. Fifteen is a part five,
Speaker 3: and then sixteen is a par three. We play that
Speaker 3: in a loop six times. And because because the par
Speaker 3: five scoring was so bad, is sleeting. But you still
Speaker 3: can't hit driver on on fourteen. So we hit three wood,
Speaker 3: but we have two ninety in and nobody can reach it, right,
Speaker 3: So we're all laying up from the same spot literally
Speaker 3: identical scenario. On the next hole. You can't hit driver,
Speaker 3: but we can hit our's just on two irons at
Speaker 3: this point, like, but we have two seventy five in
Speaker 3: and then we weren't even allowed to hit a shot
Speaker 3: on sixteen. It didn't matter, he said, we all hit
Speaker 3: it the same spot. We missed the putts, so you
Speaker 3: hit a ten footer, So you hit a ten footer
Speaker 3: from the same spot on sixteen. And then we played
Speaker 3: back and forth lay up golf. We did this six
Speaker 3: times in the sleet, and nobody, I mean, it was
Speaker 3: a perfect day for it. Like no, no one was
Speaker 3: playing out there unless they were totally insane. I don't
Speaker 3: even think the course was open. Nobody was at this place.
Speaker 3: The range was closed. We showed up and that was
Speaker 3: our entire qualifier for right there. And I think we
Speaker 3: finished like second, and I was like, Coach, how we
Speaker 3: do in part five? He's like, still not good? When
Speaker 3: we finished second, I was like, all right, it was perfect,
Speaker 3: but yeah we do we coach. Was a qualifier, Sands
Speaker 3: will tell you do the Hawaii qualifier. It was like
Speaker 3: seventeen nine all rounds. I mean, it was an epic qualifier.
Speaker 2: I was always at like Rockwood or one of those places,
Speaker 2: just trying to man like eighteen guys on the team.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to make the top eight so
Speaker 2: I could go like Colonial once the week. So I
Speaker 2: was still I was still relegated to the to the
Speaker 2: you know, the B squad courses though.
Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah, PD you had to shoot a sixty nine
Speaker 3: to get your bag, and there were guys that didn't
Speaker 3: have hadding't a shot even after the fort Worth Men's
Speaker 3: City early. If you miss your chance in the fort
Speaker 3: Worth Men's City, that was your chance there, that was
Speaker 3: your chance.
Speaker 1: And if you don't, if you don't break so yeah,
Speaker 1: the Hillscourt, you got the Hills Cort ye, so you.
Speaker 3: Don't get your bag until you break seventy. So we
Speaker 3: had a couple of guys that didn't have their bag,
Speaker 3: and this is when the team was massive. So he
Speaker 3: made you play Glenn Gardens from the women's teas the
Speaker 3: entire like start of the second semester until you can
Speaker 3: break seventy and get your bag.
Speaker 1: And if you came.
Speaker 3: Back from there and didn't and didn't get your bag,
Speaker 3: it was demoralizing. I mean, I don't y'all know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about, but yeah, I mean from the tips
Speaker 3: Glenn Garden's fifty seven hundred yards. I don't even know
Speaker 3: what it what it was from the freaking.
Speaker 2: Way one year we played Glenn. One year we played
Speaker 2: Glenn Garden, that true story, and we heard we heard
Speaker 2: gunshots and we dove it a bunker, just were like
Speaker 2: we didn't know what's happening, and we heard gunshots going
Speaker 2: all around. We're like in this bunker, like you know
Speaker 2: where's this coming from?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 2: Hey, get out of the bunker. Keep lying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how wood Haven was too. Wood Haven was
Speaker 1: the same way they built all those like section eight
Speaker 1: apartments on that one hole. We qualified there possible, and
Speaker 1: yeah that you had to like shield yourself there comes
Speaker 1: to golf team, you know, shield yourself from bullets.
Speaker 2: It was we called a wood Harlem or hood Haven,
Speaker 2: but yeah, wood Harlem.
Speaker 1: Hood Haven, Yeah, hood Haven. But that's a tough deal.
Speaker 1: That's where district was every year.
Speaker 2: I was an assistant pro there. What it was a
Speaker 2: great little track, but it was, uh it was. We
Speaker 2: had a cart guy get robbed down there. I was
Speaker 2: it fifteen t that went right by those at gunpoint
Speaker 2: right here, give me all your money, here we go.
Speaker 2: So but great little track.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, coach was a beauty like there Meadowbrook.
Speaker 1: Meadowbrook was a good one too. I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, No, we played dude forwth Man City. He hadn't
Speaker 3: play that thing. I remember going into Coach's office and whatever,
Speaker 3: like I decided or he decided for me. Basically I
Speaker 3: was gonna red shirt my first year. So he goes,
Speaker 3: but you're very important. I need you to keep these
Speaker 3: other guys in check if they're going to make the team.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah. So I go in there and
Speaker 3: he like, he calls me on my dorm phone. No,
Speaker 3: like I no one had a cell phone. Calls me
Speaker 3: on my dorm phone. I go into his office and
Speaker 3: he gives me like a scorecard and he goes, he goes,
Speaker 3: today you're playing a course. He goes Byron Nelson and
Speaker 3: Ben Hogan grew up playing. And I'm like, shit, this
Speaker 3: is gonna be awesome. And he's like, Coach Sands actually
Speaker 3: printed out you know. It was like it was looked
Speaker 3: like rat scratch monocules. Like, uh, he didn't have anything organized,
Speaker 3: he said, Sands typed out everything, like all the phone numbers, directions.
Speaker 3: So he had this. He had this basically this like
Speaker 3: Encyclopedia of directions. This like nothing was around, no GPS,
Speaker 3: so you couldn't even print off the map quest this
Speaker 3: was before that. So I'm looking here and he goes,
Speaker 3: you're going to play the course that Pyra Nelson and
Speaker 3: Ben Hogan. I'm like, this is going to be the
Speaker 3: best day of my life. So I've never heard of
Speaker 3: it hurt a colonial. So I to show up and
Speaker 3: they get there following these directions, and it like gets worse.
Speaker 3: You go down Barry and you start driving east and
Speaker 3: it gets worse and worse and worse and worse, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I go up here. I'm like,
Speaker 3: no way, hell, this is like this is like a
Speaker 3: ninth Green at nine freshman like prank or whatever. Show
Speaker 3: up there and there it is, I mean, freaking Glenn
Speaker 3: Garden watching the sixt year seniors that can't even bust
Speaker 3: in a four for him, and oh my god, coach Coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now now it's a distillery. Now it's a distillery whiskey.
Speaker 1: They put their facility there and I think they have
Speaker 1: twelve I think they have twelve holes. Yeah, they built
Speaker 1: a big distillery up where up where the clubhouse was
Speaker 1: on top of that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It's actually badass. It's really cool. They have they have
Speaker 1: like you know, the do rehearsal dinners and weddings and
Speaker 1: stuff there and you could see downtown Fort Worth and
Speaker 1: I think they have like seven or eight olds still.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, it's a distillery.
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Speaker 2: You know, of course I've heard it's great. I just
Speaker 2: drove by it, but I didn't stop. But I've heard
Speaker 2: Rockwood's really improved with improvements, and yeah, oh yeah, that
Speaker 2: was a place that you could get in a bad
Speaker 2: situation too, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure was it still is still is Rockwood after
Speaker 1: dark and then you could go across the street and
Speaker 1: get your windows to it. That's where I've been.
Speaker 3: Rockwood after dark was a scary place. That Jacksboro Boulevard
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, right by the first right by
Speaker 3: the first t was God, that was questionable. I almost
Speaker 3: got hit in the face with a goddang softball there.
Speaker 3: During the Fort Worth Men City someone hit a dinger
Speaker 3: to the left field on the fourth bole or whatever
Speaker 3: it is, right on the box there. I was like,
Speaker 3: that was that was aggressive? The guy hit a pismissal
Speaker 3: lot there, but that.
Speaker 1: Was that's a bomb though, that's a huge that's a
Speaker 1: bomb because home plate's like a long way a sophomore.
Speaker 1: You must have been way left. You must have been
Speaker 1: way left over there by out of bounds.
Speaker 3: The green the greenest to the green is two paces
Speaker 3: from the chain link fence. Like, I don't know how
Speaker 3: far left I could possibly be like on that hole.
Speaker 3: I mean it is right on the edge too.
Speaker 1: Well, they moved they back then, back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't I haven't played. I haven't played. The
Speaker 3: rich guys heard it's the best best track in town
Speaker 3: or whatever. All right, so coach, so for it's changed
Speaker 3: a little bit as far as like scheduling. But you
Speaker 3: have great players, you're not worried about it. But do
Speaker 3: you try to play the same I mean, are there
Speaker 3: elite events that you're trying to get into and qualify
Speaker 3: every single year? Does that help with recruiting and things
Speaker 3: like that? Yeah, Like do you have your schedule in
Speaker 3: your mind where you want or do you have to
Speaker 3: like pivot sometimes? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have the pivots on that we hosted the
Speaker 2: tournament at Pebble, which was an unbelievable had eight for
Speaker 2: SEC or Big twelve teams. That was an amazing run,
Speaker 2: but you knew that was going to come to an end,
Speaker 2: just it was a tournament that obviously costs a lot
Speaker 2: of money and it was an unbelievable botique tournament that
Speaker 2: Fannue he'd put together, and it grew in from two
Speaker 2: teams to eight teams and that was an unreal way
Speaker 2: to start. But but the girls are playing there for
Speaker 2: the next two years and it just is not a
Speaker 2: sustainable tournament. I mean, you're putting a ton of money
Speaker 2: in per program. But we used to do that for
Speaker 2: the last six or seven years. So we've we've gone
Speaker 2: off that off those dates and then, like you guys
Speaker 2: mentioned the Prestige, it was still a really good tournament,
Speaker 2: but it's not quite what it was the last about
Speaker 2: three or four years ago. And then you're seeing some
Speaker 2: really cool events pop up, like Calusa. The Calusa Cup
Speaker 2: is popped up and we got into that. I think
Speaker 2: the Stevens Cup is something we haven't been to. But
Speaker 2: so you're starting to see a lot of good smaller
Speaker 2: tournaments pop up. But there's still the traditional you know,
Speaker 2: we're still going to the Big Island, great field Vegas.
Speaker 2: Vegas is still a good field. We're actually going to
Speaker 2: Cabo now it's a great field. So there's still six
Speaker 2: seven really really good tournaments. But there's still some some changes.
Speaker 2: I think I worse going away. That used to be
Speaker 2: probably the best one we hosted that for a while.
Speaker 2: Oh really, and so yeah, you're starting to see a
Speaker 2: little bit of change. But you definitely want to put
Speaker 2: the best best foot board there. We have the five
Speaker 2: hundred rules, so you got to be a little bit
Speaker 2: careful if your team's not unbelievable, You've got to be
Speaker 2: a little bit careful there.
Speaker 1: But that's right.
Speaker 2: You still want to put put together schedule that you
Speaker 2: can you can recruit to and say, hey, guys, if
Speaker 2: you play good here this schedule, you've got to get
Speaker 2: enough PGA Tour University points to have a chance to
Speaker 2: move on or get some sort of status if you
Speaker 2: play really well. So you know, right now we've had
Speaker 2: the luxury of just lining up and go get the
Speaker 2: best terms we can, and that hadn't necessarily been the
Speaker 2: case every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he'll have to worry about
Speaker 1: five hundred too much down there.
Speaker 3: And it's different though it's happened, it happens the.
Speaker 1: Most, the most terrified I've ever been on a first
Speaker 1: d happened? Did you play Allworth Glean? No?
Speaker 3: I never played there.
Speaker 1: You probably probably barely missed this. I bet that things
Speaker 1: started like right when you finished. But my sophomore year
Speaker 1: at l s U, we played Iowa and I had
Speaker 1: that kind of a shitty freshman year. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it was uncomfortably bad, grades whatever, But it got it
Speaker 1: together and played better from there. But sophomore year, I
Speaker 1: guess it was about this time. No, it was in.
Speaker 1: It was in the fall, wasn't it October?
Speaker 2: Late October? Yah?
Speaker 3: La?
Speaker 2: It could it could be bad there. It could be great.
Speaker 2: Normally it's great, but it could be it could be Wendy.
Speaker 1: It was bad. It was bad this time. Ricky Fowler
Speaker 1: was running wind sprints on the range with Mitton's on,
Speaker 1: trying to warm up. And so that was back when
Speaker 1: Tiger lived there. Tiger was on the Tiger lived on
Speaker 1: the range there on on the if you're hitting balls
Speaker 1: was on the left side, and his house was right there.
Speaker 1: If the fire hydrant that he crashed into, like the
Speaker 1: whole thing's right, it's right there. Okay, So we were
Speaker 1: we're going we warm up on the range, it's cold, whatever,
Speaker 1: and we hear the tiger. Tiger's here, Tiger's here this time. Wow,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him yet. We've been here two days. So, uh,
Speaker 1: that was a tournament, wasn't shotgunna start? You go?
Speaker 2: Five?
Speaker 1: Four, three two one? I think I was second, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was playing two this week and I
Speaker 1: was on the tea box, and you know, this nervous,
Speaker 1: big event for college, pretty nervous already. And then I
Speaker 1: turned around and out of the clubhouse is walking Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods right down the steps and he's in jim shorts
Speaker 1: and a T shirt. He's walking right up to the
Speaker 1: te box. I'm like, shit, I've got to hit.
Speaker 4: I'm nineteen years old. I'm nineteen years old. I've never hit,
Speaker 4: never even seen him in person. Here he is and
Speaker 4: jim shorts and a T shirt and he's leaning against
Speaker 4: the deal and I'm the next to go. I'm like,
Speaker 4: all right, well, this is the most nervous I've ever
Speaker 4: been for one. I'm gonna shit myself.
Speaker 1: I'm Gladimore and pants, like, you know, it's a three
Speaker 1: wood hole. That number one is a three wood hole
Speaker 1: out there at the dago left. I was like, screw that,
Speaker 1: I'm not teeing this thing really lowd top it got
Speaker 1: tea driver hot tea driver about this high. I was like,
Speaker 1: screw it. I'm going to hit it through the faraway
Speaker 1: on purpose because there's no way I'm connecting with threewood
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: And I hit it.
Speaker 1: I hit it a little, It all right, But that
Speaker 1: was the most nervous I'd ever been, I think until
Speaker 1: until I played a major. Uh was that shot at Ioworth?
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that sucks. The tournament's going away. I
Speaker 1: know y'all hosted it after UCF did right and and
Speaker 1: do y'all host? Are y'all going to host an event
Speaker 1: this year?
Speaker 2: We're not this year. You know, we're we're shooting for
Speaker 2: a regional down the road. The women have a regional
Speaker 2: coming up. But but yeah, we're not hosting right now.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, there's so many good tournaments right now
Speaker 2: that that it's hard to even you know, justify hosting
Speaker 2: when you can go play the schedule that we put together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you got you have a good I mean,
Speaker 3: Nathan's a good guy assistant there. But like that's got
Speaker 3: to be a little bit of a a pain hosting
Speaker 3: an event too, like good or bad and bad too,
Speaker 3: especially when it's not like in your hometown, like your
Speaker 3: host an event a pebble beach. I mean it's awesome, right,
Speaker 3: No one every would ever complained about that. No one
Speaker 3: play about Ioworth, But that probably takes away a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean probably a lot of work side work for
Speaker 3: you that's different than in normal that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was iow Worth. I mean they
Speaker 2: were so good at running that event. I mean we
Speaker 2: basically raised the money for the event and and did
Speaker 2: a few things, said hello with the coaches meeting, and
Speaker 2: acted like we knew we were doing. But the truth
Speaker 2: is the Iowa staff was incredible and they I mean
Speaker 2: the host of the uh I'm going blanket, it's the
Speaker 2: yeah Tavistock Cup. I know it's changed with the hero thing,
Speaker 2: but uh you know they they run that thing, you know,
Speaker 2: so they just scaled that thing down and ran the
Speaker 2: Tavis doot uh Collegiate. It was it was incredible are
Speaker 2: the Iowa Collegiate and uh so there really wasn't much time.
Speaker 2: I mean there were a few emails. We had to
Speaker 2: get some logos for their little nice little booklet and
Speaker 2: a few things like that, collecting some entry fees. But
Speaker 2: but they did a bang up job. And the same
Speaker 2: thing with with with Pebble. You know, we had a
Speaker 2: little more to do with Pebble, but with Ben and
Speaker 2: would go in early and and and talk to the
Speaker 2: Pebble people. And Eric Clipper was a head pro they
Speaker 2: I mean really just show up and and uh and
Speaker 2: play golf. So those two weren't that tough to host.
Speaker 2: But to your point, yeah, it's it's a you host
Speaker 2: a good event and you're really in charge of it,
Speaker 2: like I wasn't. But if you were, it could be
Speaker 2: it could be a tough, tough gig.
Speaker 3: That's that's pretty good, Pete. So the NCAA Championships and
Speaker 3: like whatever credit to PD, he can kiss my ass,
Speaker 3: I don't carry won the NCAA is good job, blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. But it's different. It's different now
Speaker 3: because the team component. There's match play right after p D.
Speaker 3: I mean there's no match lay. You never played match play,
Speaker 3: right Pete. It was all Indy when you played in.
Speaker 1: The last two years were match play, but we never
Speaker 1: made We never made match play.
Speaker 3: So you guys won and you didn't make match play.
Speaker 3: Your team sucked aft then. However, however, so coach you guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys have played great and made match play,
Speaker 3: you know a couple of the last few years or
Speaker 3: whatever or better than that. How does it work as
Speaker 3: far as setting the lineup? Do you put out your
Speaker 3: whole entire lineup or is it one in one one
Speaker 3: in one or do you go one through five and
Speaker 3: just match them up at the same time? How does
Speaker 3: that work?
Speaker 1: We try to compare the guys, right, like Ryder cup style,
Speaker 1: who wants to play well?
Speaker 2: The first year when we played an honors course, for
Speaker 2: sure we made it. It actually was based on the
Speaker 2: golf stat rankings. He didn't have any control over the
Speaker 2: uh the pairings really and so I remember if we
Speaker 2: played Florida State, they had Koepka, they had Kittleson who
Speaker 2: yeah and so yeah, Kittleson wash Kittleson was injured and
Speaker 2: uh from for all the fall, so he didn't play
Speaker 2: and then he started playing there like towards the end
Speaker 2: of conference. It was just wearing it out. But because
Speaker 2: he had played, he was right or fifth guy. So
Speaker 2: we got kittleson, who's gonna the demolish our fifth guy?
Speaker 2: And you know it lined up perfect them. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that was the first year we made We lost that
Speaker 2: first match. They had a great team. Trying to think,
Speaker 2: who I think Augusta State, Yeah, Augusta State won that
Speaker 2: year and then uh, you know we we made it
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma State made it that year. But but they
Speaker 2: switched to where you can you can put out your parents.
Speaker 2: So if you're the higher seed, you get the choice
Speaker 2: to defer or or roll out your first guy.
Speaker 3: And so it goes one in one one like that.
Speaker 1: So you always defer, You always defer, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would, Oh you altern it?
Speaker 1: You would, you would, you would always defer.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, in the five count four I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: away coaching steaker here. But if you if you put
Speaker 2: out a player or if you defer, yeah, you're in
Speaker 2: control of the last two matches.
Speaker 3: Oh no, six.
Speaker 2: Counts, sorr, I get confused. We play the big twelve
Speaker 2: match play. When you're playing six, you want to defer
Speaker 2: because you'll be in control of more matches. But I
Speaker 2: think the way it works, and I'm well thinking myself
Speaker 2: here about thinking the five count. You want to actually
Speaker 2: put somebody out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's tricky. No, that's right, because I mean pdie.
Speaker 3: Because what you could do is like we have Ludvig
Speaker 3: and he won the NCAA Individual by eleven shots, and uh,
Speaker 3: they put him out first. Well, we're gonna put Colleen,
Speaker 3: who's scraped together three seventy four for seventy fours.
Speaker 1: And just let him and let him get worn out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like hope for an injury. We don't want him
Speaker 3: to be heard seriously, but maybe he like you know,
Speaker 3: gets diarrhea or something, he can't finish the round and
Speaker 3: I scraw you scrape in and beat him. But like
Speaker 3: sometimes I'm sure they sacrificial lot. I mean, usually the
Speaker 3: best guy wants to match up against the best guy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 2: That's part of ya if you save your last two guys. Obviously,
Speaker 2: if if you are on the higher seed, you should
Speaker 2: be able to control the last two matches. You know,
Speaker 2: that's a big deal. But yeah, it's there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of strategy there. Sometimes you can outthink yourself as
Speaker 2: a coach instead of just you know, either if you
Speaker 2: give away a point, you're only going to three. So
Speaker 2: if you just throw out throw out a guy that
Speaker 2: you think can't beat somebody, you're just giving them a point.
Speaker 2: So you really don't want to do that either. But
Speaker 2: you know, at that point when you're the top eight,
Speaker 2: like last year one threugh ad made it uh on
Speaker 2: the Golf stat rankings one through eight made the match play,
Speaker 2: which was kind of cool. And we were eight and
Speaker 2: we're playing Vandy and and so you know, there's just
Speaker 2: not that much margin. But I think we had the
Speaker 2: lead in or of the five matches or maybe even
Speaker 2: all five of the turn and then they started doing
Speaker 2: Vandy things and making a lot of putts. They got
Speaker 2: a great team and and they've had a lot of experience,
Speaker 2: and that was the first time we made a few years.
Speaker 2: So we ended up giving up the lead and lost
Speaker 2: that match there at the end. But anyway, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of funn it. You feel like you have
Speaker 2: a little bit of control there as a coach or
Speaker 2: a little bit of strategy there. Most of the time,
Speaker 2: the Urnam is for playing. We're just like, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: you're one guy is you roll out there, you play
Speaker 2: stroke play and it's over. So I like it. I
Speaker 2: get into it, but I'm oh for three. So I
Speaker 2: don't know why I like it in a match play,
Speaker 2: but but I do like it.
Speaker 3: It's going to happen. Well, y'all just won the match play.
Speaker 1: So y'all made it at the Honors course the first
Speaker 1: that was the first year they did match play, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: you'all made it the Honors and then the very next
Speaker 1: year at Carson Creek made it again.
Speaker 2: No, we made it twenty nineteen at Carston.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there was there was a nine year break
Speaker 1: and nineteen at Carston and then last year in Arizona
Speaker 1: corec where's it this year?
Speaker 2: Still in Arizona. Yeah, one more year at Hawks, one
Speaker 2: more year at Greyhawk, and then I think we're going
Speaker 2: to be at LaCosta. They're doing some changes, you know,
Speaker 2: I guess if that doesn't get completed that, I'm guessing
Speaker 2: we'll probably just stick to Greyhawk one more years. But
Speaker 2: I'm thank you.
Speaker 3: It's way better to watch on TV. Like as a
Speaker 3: fan of college golf. It brings people in, like I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 1: It's on TV.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's freaking awesome. I like the
Speaker 3: three though, Like you said, I mean, and you know
Speaker 3: people are like your anchor match. But again, you only
Speaker 3: have to get the three points. So if you save
Speaker 3: your best guys for the end, yeah, then you know
Speaker 3: they might not even matter, right, Pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, even though I am over three,
Speaker 2: it's really the three best coaching days of my life
Speaker 2: at that because you feel like at that point you
Speaker 2: got a chance. You see how excited the kids are.
Speaker 2: It's always it usually is always close. I mean, every
Speaker 2: once in a while you'll get a four to one
Speaker 2: or a five zero, but if you really look at it, it
Speaker 2: really usually comes down to three to two and and
Speaker 2: and So that's what TV is creative for. It's what
Speaker 2: you know, the team's watching at that point, you got
Speaker 2: one player trying to win a point, and at that
Speaker 2: point you really feel like it's a team sport versus
Speaker 2: you know, stroke play. You know, you just never really
Speaker 2: know where you're at, what score you're dropping, and that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. So I love it. I've had a
Speaker 2: lot of good memories with the Big twelve match play.
Speaker 2: We won that twice, so I've done a little bit
Speaker 2: better on that end. But those are some of the
Speaker 2: best coaching days that I've had, and you know, twenty
Speaker 2: plus years coaching.
Speaker 1: I love college golf.
Speaker 3: That was the.
Speaker 1: Highlight of to this day, it's like the highlight of
Speaker 1: my athletic lifetime. It's been college college golf. I love
Speaker 1: college golf. I love the team aspect, I love the coach,
Speaker 1: love everything about it. Didn't like I didn't like pro golf.
Speaker 1: I didn't really like at all compared to college golf.
Speaker 1: But my question, like, when I play fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: there was your parents and like maybe some lost wonder
Speaker 1: on the car path and a golden retriever or two,
Speaker 1: like watching that college golf tournament. Now they're on TV.
Speaker 1: Now these things are on TV, They're on the Golf Channel,
Speaker 1: they're streaming, they're all over the place. You all have
Speaker 1: like real announcers in the booth. It's getting big time.
Speaker 1: I love to see it, But is it have these
Speaker 1: kids like you were a freshman, say one never loved it,
Speaker 1: came in and he'd never played on TV before. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, y'all are in the National Championship last
Speaker 1: year and it's primetime TV, and more people are watching
Speaker 1: college golf. Then that watched you know, the Sony Open
Speaker 1: this week, because in my opinions, better entertainment for fun
Speaker 1: to watch, Like, did these kids have they figured out
Speaker 1: how to play behind the in front of a camera?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that took some time to be adjusted
Speaker 1: to and sure it wasn't like that when we played.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I think that there's two or three
Speaker 2: events during the year that we've been fortunate to get
Speaker 2: into that have had TV or streaming, and I think
Speaker 2: that kind of prepares you. And then the other thing
Speaker 2: is we're getting so much better coverage with social media.
Speaker 2: So we'll have our people come along with us three
Speaker 2: or four times a year and they'll shove a camera
Speaker 2: in their face. It's not the same you know, obviously
Speaker 2: if you've got social media content in your just recording
Speaker 2: of course it maybe I bring that the same type
Speaker 2: of nerves when it's on live TV. But it is
Speaker 2: something as a coach you think about and try to
Speaker 2: prepare your kids for a little bit, because, like you said,
Speaker 2: it's just a different type of pressure, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think I think it's something that you can kind
Speaker 2: of learn and try to develop a little bit, and man,
Speaker 2: it has changed a lot. I mean, we had the
Speaker 2: Marito Tournament was on TV for two or three years
Speaker 2: on the Golf Channel. I think they have the Western
Speaker 2: Collegiate and went a pasta tempo. It's been on TV
Speaker 2: for three or four years. Vegas has been on streaming.
Speaker 2: You know, there's four or five events. I'm probably missing
Speaker 2: several that that that can help you at least get
Speaker 2: prepared there.
Speaker 3: The streaming things. Pick like we didn't have streaming stuff
Speaker 3: when we played or whatever, and that's I mean, that's
Speaker 3: part of it. Coach, You're you're a good player. Obviously
Speaker 3: you played college golf. Like do you ever mix it
Speaker 3: up with the guys like play like I told like,
Speaker 3: I was playing the Byron Nelson last year and I
Speaker 3: texted Coach, I'm like, I'm like, I need to play
Speaker 3: with your guys because I need some competition. And they
Speaker 3: like they beat my ass or whatever, but I did
Speaker 3: beat someone in the Nelson. You ever go there like
Speaker 3: like every now and again, you're just like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: just mix it up here and just just let them
Speaker 3: know that that I know what I'm talking about, Like
Speaker 3: just a little.
Speaker 2: We actually, I mean the most recent thing coming off
Speaker 2: COVID played a ton, so coming off COVID, I was
Speaker 2: a little cocky a little bit, and uh and played
Speaker 2: I think I played nine May maybe I've played all
Speaker 2: eighteen at Love the Country Club, where I played, you know,
Speaker 2: a thousand times before they got there, and it held
Speaker 2: my own. I had a pretty good round. And but
Speaker 2: what I've noticed is is, uh, you know those leisurely
Speaker 2: COVID rounds when you can have a couple of cocktails
Speaker 2: and relax, and it's a little a little bit different
Speaker 2: than all of a sudden you're teamed up with the guys,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're like, you know, I
Speaker 2: really want to beat this guy and have him listen
Speaker 2: to me. So you know, I can't keep up. They
Speaker 2: beat it way past me. But you know, if I
Speaker 2: if I really catch a heater, then I may be
Speaker 2: able to just kind of hang in the middle of
Speaker 2: the pack. But I used to always play in Hawaii
Speaker 2: and we have a lot of fun and the kind
Speaker 2: of uh, you know, you get get to go over
Speaker 2: there four or five days before you play, so it
Speaker 2: was always warm weather. It kind of got me excited
Speaker 2: to hit off green Grass and we've been on the
Speaker 2: dormant grass. So I did have a tradition of doing that,
Speaker 2: but I even kind of stopped doing that in the
Speaker 2: last few years because I mean, you know, at forty
Speaker 2: forty seven balls just not going where it wants to.
Speaker 2: It ends up just making you more mad than it's
Speaker 2: worth it. So anyway, but you know, Nathan's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I try to I try to goat him into playing
Speaker 2: a little bit because he he actually can really get
Speaker 2: on their nerves. He didn't hit a breef far, but
Speaker 2: he just wears out fairways. A good putter.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he can play. So yeah, Coach Coach is
Speaker 3: forty seven p D. Like if he showed up to
Speaker 3: Champions tourk Houston in three years, like they would ask
Speaker 3: they like, he would have to think it was a
Speaker 3: fake ID. I mean, yeah, this guy shows up. I'm like,
Speaker 3: who the hell is this guy? I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: Like, who's the oldest one here? Like like isn't me
Speaker 1: do I look at the oldest like this?
Speaker 3: I mean my coach, like it's that clean living. I like,
Speaker 3: if I was in Champions Tour Hustool and I was
Speaker 3: playing with you in ten years and I would be
Speaker 3: like this guy there's no freaking way.
Speaker 2: It used to be really bad. I was twenty six
Speaker 2: if I started coaching, and looked like eighteen. And I
Speaker 2: mean every time we would go play, every time for
Speaker 2: the first five years, somebody we would, we'd have a
Speaker 2: out like what's the over under on how many times
Speaker 2: they're gonna ask me how I played? You know, a
Speaker 2: volunteer or you know. I'd just be walking with the
Speaker 2: guy and they hey, what's your score is the last three?
Speaker 2: I'm like, you, bro, I'm the coach, and the guys
Speaker 2: looked laugh at me because I kind of actually get
Speaker 2: annoyed at it. And and now look back and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I'd love to have some of those days back. I
Speaker 2: don't get asked that that much anymore, or really any
Speaker 2: but but I mean, it was just a guarantee back
Speaker 2: and so I guess it was a it's a blessing,
Speaker 2: but back then I just kind of I hated. I
Speaker 2: think one time we won the tournament at Oak Hills
Speaker 2: and San Antonio and we had this like nine year
Speaker 2: old potigrapher the standard taking the team picture and he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: where's it, where's the coach? And I guess I guess
Speaker 2: I didn't say it loud enough. I'm like, I have
Speaker 2: right here. Guys are laughing, and he didn't hear me,
Speaker 2: Like I can't take the coach.
Speaker 3: Where's the coach?
Speaker 2: And I mean he's just yelling all the guys and
Speaker 2: all the guys are laughing at it. But yeah, anyway, how.
Speaker 3: Goes Montaguill Monicgill six? Yeah, probably six. He looks amazing.
Speaker 3: He hasn't looked changed at all. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: No, not a great here, and I mean he looks amazing.
Speaker 2: The only thing that kind of started slowing down after
Speaker 2: his surgery, he kind of started walking a little sober.
Speaker 2: But I mean, honestly, the guy looks amazing and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: probably pre surgery, same thing. I mean, he looked like
Speaker 2: he was, you know, forty five years old.
Speaker 3: No, it's yeah, it doesn't matter. We saw him out there.
Speaker 3: He was the tallest guy by eighteen inches on the
Speaker 3: entire course. Like we like Montaguil was there ready to go.
Speaker 3: But but I mean that was that's that's crazy. That's
Speaker 3: freaking crazy. Coaching forty seven. I can't believe it. That's
Speaker 3: pretty good though, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's that's fifty six minutes. We got tied for like
Speaker 1: two questions. Dude, we like wasted the entire questions.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are one day and I.
Speaker 2: All we did.
Speaker 1: All we did was ask we wanted people to ask questions,
Speaker 1: and we just ruined the entire hour. But you got
Speaker 1: here some time for like two questions. I know, I
Speaker 1: know people want to know the situation with the walk Ons.
Speaker 1: So what's the situation with the walk Ons? Why don't
Speaker 1: we do walk on Texas Tech?
Speaker 2: You know, I tried to do the Monta Guilt thing,
Speaker 2: you know, Montagol you gotta go, you gotta go playing
Speaker 2: the four work min city. Well we didn't have the
Speaker 2: ben City, so you know, really what ended up happening
Speaker 2: is I kind of finally figured out that hey, I
Speaker 2: can kind of recruit a walk on here. I don't
Speaker 2: have to just wait for kids to show up to
Speaker 2: campus to try to figure out who can play. And
Speaker 2: so what I would do is just try to recruit
Speaker 2: just a recruited walk on. And we had a limited
Speaker 2: number of spots, so what I would do, and we've
Speaker 2: had some great player players that that have that have
Speaker 2: come for nothing that have turned out really good. So
Speaker 2: people don't think I really have a walk on process.
Speaker 2: But but I would basically just either look through some
Speaker 2: resumes or go try to find some kids through the
Speaker 2: same process. I would on a recruited guy and and
Speaker 2: then go, hey, you know, maybe you're going to go
Speaker 2: to a place that Division two or junior college, but
Speaker 2: I think you're good enough if you want to come here,
Speaker 2: and you might need a red shirt. But so I've
Speaker 2: had some good players that that have that have you know,
Speaker 2: they might not have known their walk on. I tried
Speaker 2: to always give them books. But in my mind that
Speaker 2: was kind of what I was doing with those spots,
Speaker 2: was what I did want to do is get a
Speaker 2: bunch of kids, twenty guys to come to Texas Tech
Speaker 2: and tell them they got a chance. And then they
Speaker 2: come and one guy wins the spot, and we got
Speaker 2: nineteen guys that are like, well, crap, what do I
Speaker 2: do now? I really don't want to be here, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I tried to either say, hey, go play
Speaker 2: in some summer events. I'll evaluate if you're good enough,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a spot. But in the meantime, when
Speaker 2: I was a young coach, I tried a couple of things.
Speaker 2: A couple of things went wrong or you know, Robert
Speaker 2: Groom was a really good example. Either ended up being
Speaker 2: a great player for Sam Houston. But he was at
Speaker 2: Meadowbrook here in town, and I got the message from
Speaker 2: like the red bro like, hey, this guy shoots sixty
Speaker 2: four every day, and You're like, yeah, whatever, right, you know,
Speaker 2: and I think he really was, but I didn't believe,
Speaker 2: you know, that he was that good. And it turned out,
Speaker 2: you know, if I'd have given a chance, he probably
Speaker 2: would have been good. But we traded some messages online
Speaker 2: yesterday and he's like, hey, ended up being off for
Speaker 2: the good. I met my wife there, blah blah blahlah.
Speaker 2: So happens for a reason. But but I've had a
Speaker 2: few guys that have been pretty bitter that that I
Speaker 2: haven't had a true walk off process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounded like there were some emotions going on
Speaker 1: the tweeters, yester. Yeah, yeah, I do like them. I
Speaker 1: walk on.
Speaker 3: It'd be like Monagall. It's like walk on whin the US?
Speaker 3: Aminary whin the US? Say you can walk on and see.
Speaker 2: We had one really good story real quick. Brian Bowie,
Speaker 2: good player, uh from New Mexico. He wanted to walk
Speaker 2: on and this was after I think I I I
Speaker 2: had decided, Yeah, this isn't a good idea, and I
Speaker 2: think I told him he come out here and we'll
Speaker 2: we'll do something before the school starts. And he actually
Speaker 2: played pretty good. But then I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take you. And he came in
Speaker 2: my office and I still remember to this day, and
Speaker 2: he just he pointed at me, goes, he goes, I'm
Speaker 2: from New Mexico and I'm going to go brian Erlaker
Speaker 2: under your ass and show you that you made the
Speaker 2: wrong decision. And uh, I just remember, you know, Irlacker
Speaker 2: was from New Mexico. He's from New Mexico. And he
Speaker 2: left the room like I kind of like that kid's fire.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to go find yeah, go pull
Speaker 2: him by the parking lot, go. I changed my mind,
Speaker 2: but I didn't hit. He went on and played somewhere
Speaker 2: and did pretty good. And I think he actually played
Speaker 2: some Bay Tours for four or five years, and guy
Speaker 2: was pretty good. So probably just another kid that could
Speaker 2: have played for US back in the day.
Speaker 3: But lay Mini Tours for four or five years. That's
Speaker 3: a good way to lose about one hundred grad Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not bad. That's not a bad way to go
Speaker 3: about it. Montagail. Actually, yeah, fort Worth ben city. Like
Speaker 3: you said, if you won, or if you beat everyone
Speaker 3: on the team in the Fort Worth men city, you're in.
Speaker 3: And one year Drew Lanning who actually ended up playing
Speaker 3: core Ferry to her full status for like two years
Speaker 3: so he could play beat all of beat all of us.
Speaker 3: And I played with him the last day and I
Speaker 3: was like the only one playing decent. They're like, please
Speaker 3: beat this guy and then know it hadn't happened. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it happened in Monagall's deal. And I
Speaker 3: Drew and I are still friends. We talked today. It's great.
Speaker 3: The duck we called me from Arkansas and he beat
Speaker 3: He beat me that day. But the son of a
Speaker 3: bitch was taking a golf cart. It was one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand degrees like I was. I was like, had my
Speaker 3: excuses like piled up in case I took the l
Speaker 3: but he beat me by like he beat me by
Speaker 3: like six though it wasn't close. And the next day,
Speaker 3: and you know how horrible it is in Fort Worth
Speaker 3: the start of the school year. It's so hot, like
Speaker 3: right around like it's so that that old stadium, there's
Speaker 3: no way it passed any zoning code. It's built like
Speaker 3: it goes up to like it's like a Mayan temple.
Speaker 3: It's like, straight up, we had to go ten stadiums
Speaker 3: and that doesn't sound like a lot to people. That's like,
Speaker 3: no freaking joke. That's probably two miles. We had to
Speaker 3: meet there at like six am and run stadiums because
Speaker 3: he beat all of us. So then he shows up.
Speaker 3: Then we have workouts after and he shows up to
Speaker 3: workouts because he's on the team now, and we all
Speaker 3: we were so pissed and it he could had no
Speaker 3: idea why everyone freaking so pissed it up. We just
Speaker 3: ran the Mayan Temple of workouts. Great guy, though, hell
Speaker 3: of a player. Freaking play corn ferry to a couple
Speaker 3: of years. Oh my god, freaking situation.
Speaker 1: Stadiums do you make do you make your guys do
Speaker 1: stadiums or do you all have an entirely different strength
Speaker 1: coach that does everything.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this bed. But we about about uh right,
Speaker 2: four or five years ago, you know with a couple
Speaker 2: of people, uh not at tech but across the country
Speaker 2: that you know you'd hear about these horror stories where
Speaker 2: a kid would collapse and something would happen because they're
Speaker 2: you know, coach got Madam bett Ron and and and
Speaker 2: they came to us and I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is a conference thing or n C double eight thing.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's just a tech thing. And they go,
Speaker 2: you guys cannot do anything physical to punish the kid
Speaker 2: to be born nothing, And try try to figure out
Speaker 2: what to do. When you can't punish a kid for
Speaker 2: doing something stupid without being going physical, it's kind of
Speaker 2: hard to do. So I always have a joke. I'd
Speaker 2: have a joke. The first couple of years, I'd go
Speaker 2: go sit in the corner and think about what you did,
Speaker 2: you know, or something like. I couldn't think. I couldn't
Speaker 2: think of what to do. Yeah, we just started started
Speaker 2: adding shots on the qualifier a two shots league year
Speaker 2: or whatever. But but yeah, it's uh, it's we can't
Speaker 2: do anything physical anymore. But we used to. I mean
Speaker 2: we used to do some crazy stuff. We used to.
Speaker 2: I think I had to run run around the golf
Speaker 2: course a few times whenever you have a bad practice.
Speaker 2: So you know, we'd go, hey, you go take a
Speaker 2: couple laughs, you know, or something like that.
Speaker 3: That doesn't seem bad.
Speaker 1: The worst thing I've ever seen, The worst thing I've
Speaker 1: ever seen was in high school. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever heard Trampis Wilson stories. Yeah, I have. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you know Trampis. But Trampis was my coach at Caskell.
Speaker 1: He was a football coach, coaching golf and one of
Speaker 1: the one of our kids got caught with a candid
Speaker 1: dip in the middle of a qualifying ground. And coach
Speaker 1: Wilson was a dipper. He was a dipper. He dipped
Speaker 1: off all day, all day, every day, and he was
Speaker 1: trying this kid was trying to hide it, and Wilson
Speaker 1: saw him. And we're turning on the ninth at the
Speaker 1: Hills Course, ninth at Pecon Valley Hills Course, were going
Speaker 1: to number ten. He saw him on the ninth fairway.
Speaker 1: So he's waiting for him there on ten t at
Speaker 1: the Hills coourse, you know, dog leg laugh there and
Speaker 1: I'm playing with the kid, and Wilson looks over says, Thomas,
Speaker 1: you got your dip in the day. Thomas says, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I am. He said, all right, let me see that can.
Speaker 1: And this was a full candid dip. He' taken like
Speaker 1: two or three inches out of this thing. He goes,
Speaker 1: all right, Thomas, I want you to put this entire
Speaker 1: candid dip in your mouth. I want you to and
Speaker 1: I want you to bear crawl from the tea box
Speaker 1: to the green and back with your bag on It's
Speaker 1: September in Fort Worth, Texas with a full mouth of Copenhagen,
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards bear crawl with your bag on the back.
Speaker 1: He didn't make it back. He didn't make it back.
Speaker 1: He puked and he collapsed like in the middle of
Speaker 1: the fairway. And now that was the worst thing I'd
Speaker 1: ever seen. I was like, oh my god, dip again.
Speaker 1: He didn't. But just can't do that. Can't do that
Speaker 1: ship anymore. He just can't do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think Anthony Kidd was the greatest at playing because
Speaker 2: he could you couldn't do it during the round and
Speaker 2: he was such a good player, and but we all
Speaker 2: knew like he just had this a little bit, a
Speaker 2: little bitty you know, faty end during during the during
Speaker 2: the day and and uh, but he he'd go he'd
Speaker 2: go full well, pitty, poor whole with a little secret
Speaker 2: dip in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't do that in college, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense because everybody's ever eighteen. But I
Speaker 1: never understood exactly Coach.
Speaker 3: We were talking about Spencer Levine a couple ago, and
Speaker 3: he'll say, you know, he doesn't smoke anymore, but he
Speaker 3: would go in the porta potties and tournaments and there
Speaker 3: would be smoke clouds coming out of the events of
Speaker 3: the porta potty. He would rip like two skigs and
Speaker 3: it's just like it looked like a freaking locomotive coming
Speaker 3: down then coming down the traps.
Speaker 2: He's the only guy that if there was a backup,
Speaker 2: like you know at college goth there's always the part
Speaker 2: baas backed up with more groups, you have a team.
Speaker 2: But he'd love though, He's like, where could I go
Speaker 2: rip a sod? Yeah, thirty minutes to go here?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. He didn't care if it's disqualification, loss of scholarship,
Speaker 3: like zero, shit's given. Like he was going to burn
Speaker 3: skigs in the porta potty on whatever hole it was
Speaker 3: every single time. Man, that's freaking awesome, coach, thanks for
Speaker 3: coming man. Yeah, absolutely, I know. It was a totally
Speaker 3: bad life decision by you coming on here. But we're
Speaker 3: pretty tame, right, people will give us a way. I
Speaker 3: think we get a bad rep at.
Speaker 2: Least I know now why I didn't get Peterson. I
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out the whole. I mean, I never knew
Speaker 2: like they got pretty much verbally committed to us. He says,
Speaker 2: we got the kid. We're like celebrating, and the next
Speaker 2: thing you know, he just went am I like ghosted us.
Speaker 2: Oh we had no idea why, But now I know,
Speaker 2: so it was worth worth getting on here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Texas text stilling is hard. I promised you.
Speaker 1: I mean it was the biggest scholarship offer I had
Speaker 1: other than LSU. I think he'll offered me like ninety
Speaker 1: percent or something like eighty five percent. It was it
Speaker 1: Oscar Florin's Oscar Florn was leaving and so it freed
Speaker 1: his up and y'all were giving it all to me
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. It was an awesome offer.
Speaker 1: And uh, but Lsu is a full ride. We were terrible.
Speaker 1: We were terrible, but we we ended up not being
Speaker 1: terrible when we were done, So that was good.
Speaker 2: It's nice to come on with two guys that broke
Speaker 2: my heart. Although JJ, you know, I didn't know what
Speaker 2: I was going to do.
Speaker 3: You got me, coach, got me into TCU. I was
Speaker 3: I was about to Uh, I don't know what I
Speaker 3: was going about to do. Go to the army or something.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: It was lasted two weeks in the army. Maybe not.
Speaker 2: I remember it was North Texas, Rice and U T
Speaker 2: s A. Which which are kudos to get in like
Speaker 2: I offered a Rice. You got to be some sort
Speaker 2: of genius to get in that place. But but anyway,
Speaker 2: that was it. Yeah, well they hell they to the
Speaker 2: the two that got away.
Speaker 1: Well look at us now, look at us all. Now
Speaker 1: we're all friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: If we had eligibility, you're our guy. We're coming immediately, man,
Speaker 3: you need to Yeah, Ludvig, we're coming. Call you're done, hey,
Speaker 3: Pete and I will smoke those two guys.
Speaker 1: In the days of six years of eligibility, we still
Speaker 1: got two years.
Speaker 3: P Do you think we can be Ludvig and calendar
Speaker 3: number two and three or one and three in the
Speaker 3: in the in the world college, we could best ball.
Speaker 1: Maybe if we scramble, we scramble in their best ball.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe possibly.
Speaker 2: Think about to rees. J J got them out there
Speaker 2: at the home.
Speaker 3: My god, dude, there's multiple statues in me at rest
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna. That's it.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get down that. Okay, we're done. That's
Speaker 1: coach Saands.
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