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<v Speaker 1>Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your

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<v Speaker 1>NBA Daily assists.

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<v Speaker 2>Van McMahon, Van McMahon, that is duding old Land, Texas

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<v Speaker 2>flood as it gets mud. He's man, Van McMahon, Van McMahon,

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<v Speaker 2>the man Man.

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<v Speaker 1>He is, indeed, Van McMahon. Two hundred and twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>X followers. That's a large number. You are a celebrity reporter, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's no, there's no at this point you are

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<v Speaker 1>on that level.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim, you are a celebrity reporter officially.

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<v Speaker 4>Well at least one hundred ten thousand of those people

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<v Speaker 4>I wish would just go away and not follow me

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<v Speaker 4>based on someday some of the comments I get on

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<v Speaker 4>that particular hellscape of a of an.

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<v Speaker 3>App fair enough. Well, it obviously means you're doing something right, buddy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that we should equate social media following

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<v Speaker 4>to any sort of value, but that's neither here nor there.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Dallas Mavericks assistant coach Alex Jedson, who,

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<v Speaker 1>according to a number of different reports, including John Rothstein

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<v Speaker 1>from his CBS and our very own Sean O'Connell, is

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<v Speaker 1>high speed ahead. To take the head coaching job at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Utah. You covered the Dallas Mavericks, Tim

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<v Speaker 1>and the inside here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, obviously when that job came open, Alex immediately became

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<v Speaker 4>the number one candidate. And you know, it's my understanding

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<v Speaker 4>be essentially he could have had that job the last

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<v Speaker 4>time that it came open. Now, I think one of

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<v Speaker 4>the big differences between the last time and this time is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Alex's pats of the different head coaching job

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<v Speaker 4>in the NBA is not nearly is a lie at

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<v Speaker 4>this point, but he you know, look, he had a

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<v Speaker 4>great run as a player for the Utes. Obviously, you

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<v Speaker 4>know it was on a final four team there. Obviously

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<v Speaker 4>he has a strong feeling of loyalty to that university.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, in some cases he said, well, can

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<v Speaker 4>an NBA guy succeed in a college job? I would

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<v Speaker 4>say that Alex is a Utah guy with significant NBA experience.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's also concerns, well, you know, a guy

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<v Speaker 4>who's an assistant coach, can he move in our head

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<v Speaker 4>coach and seat. Look, it was for the Canton Charge

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<v Speaker 4>and the G League. But Alex has been a very

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<v Speaker 4>successful head coach. You know, this is not going to

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<v Speaker 4>be his first time in that seat. Now, Look, d

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<v Speaker 4>n I l the recruiting, all the things that come

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<v Speaker 4>along with college basketball. Obviously, you know he's going to

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<v Speaker 4>have to get up to speed on all that stuff quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>Shouldn't take that job, But I think it makes way

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<v Speaker 4>too much sense for this not to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Only because you're very plugged in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask you a follow up, because nobody around

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<v Speaker 1>here seems to know what sort of timeline we're looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ironic.

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Basketball plays a game tonight and they do have

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<v Speaker 1>an interim head coach, and the MAVs are and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to the poor Dallas Mavericks in a moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>they still technically are playing basketball. Do you tim have

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<v Speaker 1>any insight as far as how far along they are

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<v Speaker 1>in the process to get this deal done.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I know that. You know, I know that

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<v Speaker 4>Alex had had conversations with people at the highest level

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<v Speaker 4>of the university. I don't know I could. I'd just

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<v Speaker 4>be guessing if I said this is something that could

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<v Speaker 4>happen and become an immediate type of deal. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously he's still in a contract with the Mavericks. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if they would expect him to finish the

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<v Speaker 4>season if he accepts his job, all all that stuff

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<v Speaker 4>I'd just be doing guessing.

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<v Speaker 3>On and I would imagine you'd be guessing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll just ask and if there's nothing there, we

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<v Speaker 1>can move on whether or not the MAVs badly want

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<v Speaker 1>him back, and whether they would, you know, try to

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<v Speaker 1>retain him despite an offer from Utah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that I know Alex is valued by the Mavericks.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they would stand in the way of

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<v Speaker 4>him taking this job, gotcha, And so you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>would just leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair enough, fair enough, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? Like oh man, I just I'm not a Mavericks fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a Kyrie fan when he is focused on basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>And this could not be worse if you're a Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>Mavericks fan. First of all, you trade away a generational

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<v Speaker 1>talent at the age of twenty five, and the guy

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<v Speaker 1>you trade him for it goes down. And now the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that kind of stepped in as your leader and

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<v Speaker 1>the ball dominant lead guard goes down.

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<v Speaker 3>Kyrie with a torny a CEO. How's it going down there?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the reaction and kind of what's next for the

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Mavericks.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm in scenees right now, so I can't tell

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<v Speaker 4>you exactly what the reaction is on the ground in Dallas,

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<v Speaker 4>but you can imagine. I mean, this is just a

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<v Speaker 4>devastated franchise, a franchise that has been through so much,

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<v Speaker 4>some of it of their own decision, make some of

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<v Speaker 4>it just medical misfortune this season, and there was still hope.

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<v Speaker 4>And the hope was a Kyrie's plane at it all. Ada,

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<v Speaker 4>if you can get any from the Davis back, if

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<v Speaker 4>you can get Dereklively back, you know, get a two

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<v Speaker 4>or three weeks into the regular season, go into what

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<v Speaker 4>it wouldn't have to probably be the play in scenario,

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<v Speaker 4>but maybe catch lightning a bottle builds up them innum.

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<v Speaker 4>They were still hope they can make a run this year.

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<v Speaker 4>That obviously is completely gone at this point. At this point,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't make sense to bring back Anthony Davis and

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<v Speaker 4>Derek Lively. I mean, you know, it wouldn't be surprised.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't be surprised at all. Often Iver just decide

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<v Speaker 4>to prioritize a lot of odds at this point, and unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>man this is something that's going to have an impact

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<v Speaker 4>on next season, right an ACL. You know we've seen

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<v Speaker 4>like Jamal Murray be Coerceps buzingis when the stuff at

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<v Speaker 4>ACL injuries around this time year, they missed the entire

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<v Speaker 4>next season. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 4>with Kyrie, but I don't think it it's reasonable to

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<v Speaker 4>have the expectation that he's going to be back from

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning of the next season. It's uncertain at best.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, a fan base that has just had

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<v Speaker 4>its guts ripped out by the trader. Luka Doncic, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>has developed his great love and appreciation for Kyrie too.

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<v Speaker 4>Frankh was the was a phenomenal leader throughout all the chaos.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the one person prominence in the organization that I

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<v Speaker 4>would say was completely on point with his messaging in

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<v Speaker 4>the aftermath of that train. His performance has been at

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<v Speaker 4>all NBA level all season long. You know, such an

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<v Speaker 4>emotional moment last night where you can like, if you

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<v Speaker 4>saw the replay, you knew, like this is the best

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<v Speaker 4>case scenario was probably going to be a season ending thing.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not that much season left. Clearly the knee buckle,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like you know, his mentor and Idol Kobe

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<v Speaker 4>with the Achilles the limbs out of the three the

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<v Speaker 4>line you know, gets his showered appreciation from the crowd

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<v Speaker 4>makes the two three throws in that moment, though he knew,

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<v Speaker 4>he could tell, he knew that his season was over.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's just, I mean, another heat of

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<v Speaker 4>misery on top of what's just been a brutal month

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<v Speaker 4>plus stretch. And I've expanded to that franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>How safe is Nico as far as his job goes?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously he had the backing of the new

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<v Speaker 1>ownership group or he would not have done the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know this is kind of unfair because we're

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<v Speaker 1>analyzing it in a vacuum, and I guess you'd give

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<v Speaker 1>it a year to see if these guys get healthy

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<v Speaker 1>and they do something together. But based off of just

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<v Speaker 1>how catastrophic the last couple of weeks I've been in Dallas,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think he's safe as far as his job goes?

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<v Speaker 4>What I can tell you is Patrick Dumont, the governor

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<v Speaker 4>of the franchise, his voice strong public support or Nico Harrison.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know there's no guarantees that come along with that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm you know a lot of people around the league

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<v Speaker 4>are asking me that question, and that's the answer that

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<v Speaker 4>I give. He has a support of the ownership group

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<v Speaker 4>as of now. If that changes, I'll report it. But

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<v Speaker 4>that that that's where it stands right now. But hey,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody understands this is a very results or into business.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a massive risk with it with the trade

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<v Speaker 4>that they made. The reward so far has been nothing

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<v Speaker 4>and but backlash. And I don't think the ownership group

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<v Speaker 4>understood the financial ramifications of trading Luca Dontags like they did.

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't. You know, there's this fear of the supermacs.

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<v Speaker 4>From a financial perspective, this is going to cost him

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more than what a Supermax contract would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. And you

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<v Speaker 1>just you just you just feel feel bad for Mass fans.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the story that, uh, the Mass have raised

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<v Speaker 1>ticket prices, and look, I'm a I'm an adult, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a grown up.

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<v Speaker 3>I know the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a front facing, revenue generating entertainment product and

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<v Speaker 1>more off of the not ticket prices are going to

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<v Speaker 1>go up. I just wasn't on board. I guess with

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<v Speaker 1>the timing of that announcement, I think you probably sit

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<v Speaker 1>on that maybe until the offseason.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, again, there's been one pr misstep after another

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<v Speaker 4>in the wake of what you knew was going to

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<v Speaker 4>be probably the most unpopular trade that an NBA team

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<v Speaker 4>has ever made, if not a professional sports team. So

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<v Speaker 4>you can add the ticket price hike on top of

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, all right, Golden State eight and two since

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<v Speaker 1>the Butler trade, and you know, every time you hear

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<v Speaker 1>Draymond or whoever talk about what and Steph has been

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<v Speaker 1>next level as well. I wonder how much of that

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<v Speaker 1>has to do with Jimmy Bean in the fold. But

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<v Speaker 1>are you buying kind of this resurgence. They've beat some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good teams with Jimmy, and we'll see what they

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<v Speaker 1>do against the Knicks on the road. But your your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the latest with the Warriors after that Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Butler di.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah, you mentioned eight too. One of those losses, obviously, Leaves,

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<v Speaker 4>was when Jimmy took a night off and I believe

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<v Speaker 4>this was sore back. You have to kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>respect the the category of the players that are the

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<v Speaker 4>core guys there, and you know, have your eyes open.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very small sample size, but it's clicked quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>I do believe that step has been rejuvenated by this deal.

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<v Speaker 4>Jimmy Butler has not won a championship, but it's proven

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<v Speaker 4>in the driving force in playoff success. Obviously, when you

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<v Speaker 4>talked about Draymond and and and Steph, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking about guys who have won four titles, and

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<v Speaker 4>and and one as recently as just a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you have to at least acknowledge that the

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<v Speaker 4>Warriors are going to you know, I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 4>to have a great chance to come out of the West,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think at least have their knowledge that they

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<v Speaker 4>are on the list of beams that has some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of a chance there, yell.

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<v Speaker 1>Laker, as long as they don't face the upstart Utah

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<v Speaker 1>Jazz and Salt Lake City with Luca on the roster. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>tongue in cheek, but my goodness, Tim, if it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>and Jackson Hayes, or whatever. So certainly the front court

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<v Speaker 1>issues are still there. But when you have those two,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Dagnold has to be looking at what the Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>have to have his attention. And you're the guy for

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<v Speaker 1>this covering Luca, writing the book on Luca. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you make of the early returns, how it's worked when

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<v Speaker 1>those two have been on the floor together, when JJ

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<v Speaker 1>staggers the minutes and your thoughts on them winning six straight.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, well, you know you mentioned Joker. They played the

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<v Speaker 4>Nuggets and blew them out, and Joker only got seven

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<v Speaker 4>shot attempts in that game, which was a game plan win.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus that was you know, Luke had actually a good

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have to look the schedule see if they

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<v Speaker 4>have the Nuggets again and the regular see in the

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<v Speaker 4>horse that they meet in the playoffs, but kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the the adjustments to the game playing and the chess

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<v Speaker 4>match there. But the Lakers for a span of over

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<v Speaker 4>a month and a half, now I have the number

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<v Speaker 4>one defense in the NBA, and that obviously was before

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<v Speaker 4>the Luca trade during eighties injury absence and then coming

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<v Speaker 4>out of the Luca trade, and you're gonna give JJ

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<v Speaker 4>Redditt credit. Man, he's doing a great job coaching. He's

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<v Speaker 4>And he's got buying. The most important thing is he

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<v Speaker 4>has bying from forty old Lebron James on down to

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<v Speaker 4>that roster. Luca's fully bought in. You know, when he's engaged,

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<v Speaker 4>he can be as a help defender, a good defensive playmaker.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you get obviously protect him, you know when he's

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<v Speaker 4>those situations and protect him when he is. But they're

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<v Speaker 4>having this success and Luca, by his standards, has only

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<v Speaker 4>had a couple of decent scoring performances. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 4>every twenty two points on some shooting. The guy's going

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<v Speaker 4>to give you thirty points on good efficiency when once

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<v Speaker 4>he gets a rhythm. And as far as like to

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<v Speaker 4>sit with him and Lebron, it's been phenomenal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Lebron said that he's a natural boor and

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<v Speaker 4>wide receiver. Luke's a natural born quarterbacks and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Lucas spoon seed Lebron easy bucket after easy bucket. Lebron's playing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think Lebron might play his way on

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<v Speaker 4>the MVP ballants at the page of forty, which is insane.

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<v Speaker 4>But tell me five better players, five guys are having

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<v Speaker 4>better seasons than him right now in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's it's pretty remarkable. There's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Aunt Edwards sixteenth technical, so he will be suspended and

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota continues to kind of be up and down. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been an interesting week regarding Anthony Edwards when asked about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being the face of the league, he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pumped ficked on that Lebron with his comments on, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why would you want to be the face of the

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<v Speaker 1>league when everybody talks about our game just takes a

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<v Speaker 1>bleep on us all the time. Where are you at

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<v Speaker 1>right now with the growth of who a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people believe is the best young domestic player in Minnesota?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and look the technical stuff, like, he's got to

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<v Speaker 4>get that under control. I thought what Chris Finch said

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<v Speaker 4>before the game he served that answered for suspension in Utah.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually I thought what he said was on point where

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<v Speaker 4>like ant has to get the outburst under control, but

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<v Speaker 4>he's not an angry guy. He's not a guy who's

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<v Speaker 4>berating the officials. You know, from the opening tip to

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<v Speaker 4>the final buzzer. You know, he has to get his

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<v Speaker 4>emotional outbursts under control. But he doesn't want Anthony unfairly labeled,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, as a you know, just an angry, malcontent

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<v Speaker 4>type of guy, you know, the face of the league stuff. Honestly, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, man, what you know, what is the

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<v Speaker 4>face of the league. Is it a polished spokesperson. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not going to be Ann Edwards. And honestly, like, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>his team's in the play in right now, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>coming off with a Western Conference Finals trip last year,

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<v Speaker 4>he's focused on trying to get the Minnesota timber writing it.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't need to have the weight of the lead

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<v Speaker 4>on his back if he ends up reeling off a

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<v Speaker 4>few titles and all those things and kind of organically

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<v Speaker 4>becomes to face the league. Cool, but I don't know, again,

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<v Speaker 4>I just think this is kind of like this media

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<v Speaker 4>pigment that is, it's it's like a it's like a

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<v Speaker 4>fictional beast. It's like a like a unicorn, like the

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<v Speaker 4>face of the league. I don't know, man, right, you

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<v Speaker 4>do you do? You grows things somewhere. It happens organically,

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<v Speaker 4>so like it's not it's not like you're not running

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<v Speaker 4>for may or if what's supposed to do have a

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<v Speaker 4>campaign speech.

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<v Speaker 1>As someone who talks about the league on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you make of Lebron's comments of folks such

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<v Speaker 1>as yourself? Up, I'm not sure who you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>but taking a bleep on on the league every day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think he had me in mind, but

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<v Speaker 4>I've certainly been accused of being critical of guys and look,

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<v Speaker 4>man like, the NBA is a multi billion dollar business

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<v Speaker 4>in the media plays a role in that, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think that it's the media's job to appreciate greatness when

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<v Speaker 4>appropriate and to criticize, you know, shortcomings or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when that's appropriate, And those can be with these same people.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I covered Luka doncons for his entire career

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<v Speaker 4>in Dallas. I wrote and talked a lot about all

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<v Speaker 4>the awesome things that he did, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I pointed out and wrote and discussed the very obvious

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<v Speaker 4>flaws that he has There are Laker goals. Those are

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<v Speaker 4>the cheerleaders, right, there are fans. Those are people who

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<v Speaker 4>you know are I don't know. I don't even think

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<v Speaker 4>fans should be expected the cheer regardless of the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's not the media's job to kiss guys. But

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<v Speaker 4>regardless of the circumstances, it's also not the media's job

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<v Speaker 4>to go out of our way looking to rip guys.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a blend. There's a lot of nuance and those

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of gray. There's it's not just surely

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<v Speaker 4>you know you're you're either on their side or or not.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not on anybody's side. I'm on the side of

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<v Speaker 4>the truth and explaining. You know, we'll explaining and reporting

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<v Speaker 4>and discussing what's actually happening in the league. Good bad

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<v Speaker 4>and ned wives.

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<v Speaker 3>Well said, hey, before I said you loose.

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<v Speaker 1>You recently wrote about Darius Garland the Cleveland Cavaliers. Look, man,

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<v Speaker 1>they're fourteen and one in their last fifteen and they

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<v Speaker 1>went into Boston last weekend and Donovan, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan was so good and that was such a great comeback,

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<v Speaker 1>and Boston played well. It's not like Cleveland capitalized on

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<v Speaker 1>the Celtic scrumbling. But at what point do we just

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<v Speaker 1>start to say, like, look, maybe it's not Boston and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else and we have to look at Cleveland in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that maybe we haven't started looking at them yet.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you need to start looking at Cleveland as a

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<v Speaker 4>legitimate challenger. They're going to be the number one seed.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that they won fifty of their first sixty games,

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<v Speaker 4>you know all the stuff about does that core full

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<v Speaker 4>fit together? Absolutely it does. I mean we've seen that

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<v Speaker 4>they've proven that. Can they beat the Celtics in a series?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but I think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>all of a series. I think they're going to get

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<v Speaker 4>the opportunity. I think it's going to be a hell

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<v Speaker 4>of a series. And you know, I know there's there's

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<v Speaker 4>mixed feelings about Donovan, I'm sure in Utah, but I

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I've covered Donovan since the beginning of his career.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote about this rising star when he was a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of months in his rookie season in Utah, covered

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<v Speaker 4>everything that happened there, and you know, I've kept up

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<v Speaker 4>with things in Cleveland. I think Donovan is a perfect

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<v Speaker 4>point of his career. Where he is mature. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>he has grown. There was certainly some diva stuff with

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<v Speaker 4>him in the past, caring about fats and fats and

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<v Speaker 4>all those things. I think he's grown past that. He's

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<v Speaker 4>in his prime, but he's not worried about stats and status.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, in that story, even acknowledges like, hey, his

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<v Speaker 4>stats dipped as part of empowering Garden, as part of

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<v Speaker 4>empowering Mobile, you know, playing a few little bit fewer

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<v Speaker 4>minutes in the interest of the long term health of

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<v Speaker 4>trying to keep them from for the playoffs, and he

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<v Speaker 4>acknowledged that's something that he couldn't have he wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 4>been okay with in the past. He's gotten to that point,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think the Cavaliers, his co stars have benefited greatly.

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<v Speaker 4>The Cavaliers is an organization, have benefited greatly. And I

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<v Speaker 4>do think that part of Donovan Mitchell's case for being

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<v Speaker 4>on MVP ballots, I mean, he's not going to win MVP,

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<v Speaker 4>but for being you know, if you want to put

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<v Speaker 4>him fourth or fifth on an MVP ballot, part of

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<v Speaker 4>his case is that he's the leader of the team

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<v Speaker 4>with the best record in the NBA and as part

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<v Speaker 4>of his leadership. He's been willing to see his stats

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<v Speaker 4>dip a little bit in the greater, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>interest of the greater.

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<v Speaker 1>Good tim You're the man. Appreciate the time today, have

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<v Speaker 1>a great week.

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<v Speaker 3>Enjoy Phoenix. We'll chat soon, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate you.

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