1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,359 Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrilling Threads, where we take a stack of sources, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,960 articles and high impact research and stitch together the most hidden, surprising, 3 00:00:08,279 --> 00:00:12,759 and well often controversial stories that shape our world. 4 00:00:13,199 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: And today we are undertaking a very special deep dive. 5 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:20,039 It's one that really changes our perspective, not just on 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,559 the history of space exploration, but I mean maybe the 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,000 history of our planet itself. 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Right. We usually look so far out towards distant galaxies 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,079 or maybe deep into the ocean, looking for ruins, for 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,679 evidence of things we just can't explain. But what if 11 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:36,920 the most staggering evidence has been right. 12 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: Here, right over our heads literally yeah. 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: In our immediate cosmic backyard, orbiting Earth, and just completely 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,439 unnoticed for decades. 15 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:48,119 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate case of hidden and plain sight, isn't it. 16 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:51,159 Today we're unpacking the well the explosive research led by 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,000 a Swedish astronomer, doctor Beatric Villerile. She's working with the 18 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:58,079 Vasco team at the Nordic Institute for Theoretical Physics. 19 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: And the key thing is they didn't even start by 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,320 looking for UFOs, not at all. 21 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:05,159 Speaker 2: No, they were looking for vanishing stars and what they 22 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:10,200 found instead was evidence from these old historical photographic plates 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,200 that suggest tens of thousands, tens of thousands of highly 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,959 reflective artificial objects have been orbiting us since before the 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,319 space race even kick it off. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so our main source here is this really intense 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,439 hour long interview with doctor Villa Royle herself. It was 28 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,000 featured on the Angry Astronaut YouTube channel for you listening. 29 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:32,159 Our mission today is to give you the shortcut to 30 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:36,519 understanding the complex statistical proofs she presents, and it's evidence that, 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,040 in her own words, has yet to be refuted exactly. 32 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:43,079 Speaker 2: This isn't, you know, some fuzzy video or an anecdotal story. 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,719 This is hard photographic evidence, systematically analyzed over years that 34 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:49,560 confirms the existence of well hundreds, if not tens of 35 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:52,799 thousands of non human artifacts in Earth orbit and in 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,719 the nineteen fifties. 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: No less, the sheer audacity of it all is kind 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,439 of captured in the YouTube title, isn't it It claims 39 00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:00,799 this discovery is bigger news than three eye out lists. 40 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:02,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, the three eye atless survey, And for anyone who 41 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:06,680 follows astronomy, that's a huge claim. That's a massive astronomical survey. 42 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: It is, But the numbers that doctor Villi Reel presents, 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,360 they really do just stop you cold. Her conservative guestimate is, 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,960 what was it tens of thousands. 45 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:19,479 Speaker 2: Tens of thousands of highly reflective objects just in the 46 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:20,960 nineteen fifty And here's. 47 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Where the thread gets really thrilling, because these objects, they 48 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,280 don't just appear randomly. They correlate in this very mysterious way, 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,599 not with like solar flares or normal stuff. No, with us, 50 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:36,759 with us with highly significant specific events in human history. 51 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:40,400 We're talking major nuclear tests and some of the most 52 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:43,039 famous mass Ufo sightings ever recorded. 53 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: So we are going to break down exactly how they 54 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,080 use the Earth's own shadow to prove these things are real, 55 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:51,560 tangible objects and why they seem to appear when the 56 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:52,919 world is holding its breath. 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: The story of how doctor Villaderzel even stumbled upon this 58 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:59,960 silent armada it's almost as compelling as the discovery itself. 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: It really is. She's at the Nordic Institute for Theoretical Physics, 60 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,719 which is part of Stockholm University in Sweden, and when 61 00:03:05,759 --> 00:03:08,400 she began all this, her mind was completely focused on 62 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:10,680 the cosmic long game. 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,759 Speaker 1: Absolutely, she wasn't out there looking for techno signatures. Hovering 64 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,840 over New York or something. She was deep in the 65 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:22,400 realm of traditional SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. 66 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: Her initial focus was on these incredibly ambitious projects like 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,319 searching for disappearing stars. 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: Which would imply what exactly well, it. 69 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:33,479 Speaker 2: Would imply either the star collapse into a black hole 70 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:38,599 or maybe something even more interesting, something more engineered. Precisely, 71 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,280 that's the Kardaschef connection. Her research was being driven by 72 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,599 the possibility of finding signs of super advanced civilizations, the 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,080 kind that might be say a level three or even 74 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,919 a level four on the Kardashev scale. 75 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so for anyone listening who maybe doesn't follow astrophysical classification, 76 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,439 let's just quickly break that down. The Kardashev scale is 77 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,960 it's a theoretic measure of how advanced a civilization is 78 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:04,360 based on the energy it can use. 79 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: Right, That's right. It's all about. 80 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:08,719 Speaker 1: Energy, and the jump from level one to level three 81 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,719 is I mean, it's astronomical. Literally, a level one civilization 82 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 theoretically is one that can harness all the energy that 83 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,439 hits its own planet, all the solar wind, geothermal. 84 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: Everything, a huge amount of power. But it's planetary and scale, right, 85 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:24,319 but a. 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: Level two civilization takes it up in notch. They can 87 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:29,120 harness the total energy output of their entire star. 88 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, think of building something like a dice and swarm 89 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,439 or sphere. You'd surround the star with trillions of collectors, 90 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,040 and from our perspective, the star would just disappear. It 91 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:41,879 would be completely obscured. Doctor Vilaurel was looking for the 92 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,560 evidence of a star that had been, as she put it, 93 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,920 eaten up. It's light totally harnessed by a type two civilization. 94 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:50,199 Speaker 1: And a level three, which is what she was really 95 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,079 interested in. That's just mind boggling. That's a civilization that 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,519 can harness the energy of an entire. 97 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,439 Speaker 2: Galaxy, the power of billions of stars. So she was 98 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:03,240 thinking cosmologically, looking for this distant, definitive sign of some 99 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:05,199 incomprehensible power source. 100 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:08,399 Speaker 1: And this initial bias so crucial for her credibility here, 101 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:09,000 isn't it? 102 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,199 Speaker 2: It's everything? She freely admits she started with a personal 103 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,480 bias against the whole traditional concept of UFOs or anything 104 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:21,399 near Earth. She was focused exclusively on distant deep space SETI. 105 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: So this entire discovery of orbital objects was it was 106 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:26,600 an accident. 107 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: A complete accident, an entirely accidental byproduct of her original, 108 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,360 much grander quest. 109 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:35,199 Speaker 1: So she had this mission find a star that was 110 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,839 visible one hundred years ago on these old photographic plates 111 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,360 from observatories like Mount Pelamar, but has vanished from the 112 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:43,920 sky in modern surveys. 113 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,399 Speaker 2: And she was looking for objects that appeared in multiple 114 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:48,920 consecutive plates, something stable over decades. 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,639 Speaker 1: But that's not what they found at all. 116 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: Not even close. When they went through decades of this 117 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,839 old analog film, these historical plates, they found something far 118 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:01,399 closer and way more frequent. Light flashes or transience as 119 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:04,240 they call them. These things were ephemeral, just showing up 120 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,160 once and then gone. 121 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: And we're not talking about a few random dots here 122 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:07,319 and there. 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,959 Speaker 2: Row As the team started processing this enormous quantity of data, 124 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:14,879 they realized they had hundreds of thousands of these transients. 125 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,319 Speaker 1: And many of them had been literally ignored by astronomers 126 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,720 for the last century, just. 127 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: Written off cataloged as plate defects or dust or scratches 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,040 because they didn't conform to any predictable stellar or astronomical behavior. 129 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,279 An isolated high speed flash just didn't fit the model, 130 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,160 so it was filed away as a flaw in the 131 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:36,040 analog film. 132 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: It's an amazing historical oversight. 133 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: It is what doctor Valeril and her team did. They 134 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,560 called themselves the VASCO Project, which stands for Vanishing and 135 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,160 Appearing sources during a century of observations. What they did 136 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,519 was systematically analyze those defects. 137 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: It's like an interesting parallel to archaeology. You know, you're 138 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,839 sifting through the intellectual trash of a previous generation, and 139 00:06:56,879 --> 00:06:59,120 suddenly the junk turns out to be treasure. 140 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: A perfect and an They were looking for galactic powerhouses, 141 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,639 and they found a fleet of something right above their heads. 142 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk numbers, because this is the part that 143 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,120 just defies common sense about what's supposed to be in orbit. 144 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,240 We're used to hearing about what a few hundred classified satellites, 145 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:19,160 maybe a few thousand pieces of space junk. Doctor Villarole's 146 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:22,079 team is talking about something on a totally different scale. 147 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:25,959 Speaker 2: The sheer volume of data is immense. They've cataloged roughly 148 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:29,240 one hundred and seven thousand transients, and that's just from 149 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:34,120 the Northern Hemisphere plates provided by the Mount Palomar Observatory. 150 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: Sky Survey that's the raw data set. 151 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: That's the raw data extracted over years of work. 152 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,079 Speaker 1: And the timing is so critical for context here. These plates, 153 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,560 they primarily cover the nineteen fifties. We're talking about the 154 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,279 dawn of the space age. These objects pre date almost 155 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,040 all of our own orbital activity. 156 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: This is not starlink, this isn't even Sputnik debris. 157 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: This is before all that exactly. So, even after they 158 00:07:55,759 --> 00:08:00,600 filter out all the known false positives, doctor Villarole's conservative guestimate, 159 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,480 it's that we are talking about tens of thousands to 160 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,279 potentially hundreds of thousands of distinct, highly reflective objects that 161 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:09,759 were already in Earth orbit in the nineteen fifties. 162 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,839 Speaker 2: And just think about that. If even ten percent of 163 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:16,639 those are real, that is an unprecedented density of non 164 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:17,639 human artifacts. 165 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: And the way they appear on the plates that tells 166 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:22,040 us everything we need to know about their shape and 167 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:22,680 how they're moving. 168 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: Yes, the objects always vanish after being seen in the 169 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,279 single plate. They're either moving incredibly fast or more likely 170 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:34,399 they're tumbling, and the reflective surface just instantly turns away 171 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:35,320 from the Sun. 172 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:38,519 Speaker 1: So they never found their original targets. The stable object 173 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,879 seene over one hundred years, but they found these high 174 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:42,080 speed flashes. 175 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: Instead, and the physical characteristics that implies are key. These 176 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,000 are sharp on and off flashes, not long smeared streaks 177 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:50,360 of light. 178 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,759 Speaker 1: Right if you take a picture of a satellite or 179 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:55,399 an asteroid with long exposure, which these plates. 180 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: Had forty five minutes, sometimes more. 181 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they usually leave a trail a streak as 182 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:02,120 they move across the frame. But these weren't streaks. 183 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,799 Speaker 2: They were points of light, which implies. 184 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: What a flat, highly polished object tumbling through space. 185 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: It's like a mirror flash. The sunlight hits the flat 186 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,240 surface for just a fraction of a second, producing this 187 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,159 intense but momentary pinpoint of light. So this observation is 188 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:22,240 really strong evidence that the objects are super flat and 189 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,559 highly reflective. They're just catching the sunlight for a moment, 190 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,799 like a flashing reflector. 191 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: It is so ironic that the analogy she references, the 192 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,120 one people were using back in the fifties, perfectly matches 193 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,000 the physics of what they're seeing on the photographic plate. 194 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: People were describing dinner plates or. 195 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: Saucers, and the data suggests flat, circular, reflective objects. It 196 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:49,639 lends this incredible weight to the historical sighting descriptions that 197 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,840 were so often dismissed by the authorities. 198 00:09:51,879 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: The people seeing these things at the time might have 199 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:57,799 been describing the literal physical geometry that the astronomical data 200 00:09:57,879 --> 00:09:59,679 now implies. It's quite a thing. 201 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:02,279 Speaker 1: Let's talk about altitude. This is where the Vasco team 202 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,480 had to make an initial hypothesis. Right. They couldn't get 203 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,960 a precise orbit from just a single point of light 204 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,399 on one plate, no, but they. 205 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,879 Speaker 2: Were looking for a pattern of disappearance, and they focused 206 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:12,960 on a specific. 207 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:15,799 Speaker 1: Range around forty two thousand kilometers altitude. 208 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, around forty two thousand kilometers. Now, why that specific number. 209 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:22,879 Speaker 1: It's just above geosynchronous orbit or GEO. 210 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: Exactly. GEO is at about thirty five seven hundred and 211 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:29,840 eighty six kilometers, and that's where satellites can remain stationary 212 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:34,120 relative to the Earth's rotation. It's the perfect stable altitude 213 00:10:34,159 --> 00:10:36,639 for long term surveillance or communication relays. 214 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: So if these artifacts really are long duration high orbit probes, 215 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:43,639 looking for them near that stable zone just makes perfect sense. 216 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: It does. But until they get a physical sample or 217 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,840 triangulate them with modern tell us. This is the center 218 00:10:49,879 --> 00:10:51,840 piece of the research. This is the section of that 219 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,960 interview that provides the undeniable statistical evidence. This isn't just 220 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,000 a theory, it's this incredibly elegant expt. They designed to 221 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:04,799 distinguish real orbiting objects from static defects on a piece 222 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:05,200 of film. 223 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: And they needed it because they faced a lot of pushback. 224 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: Oh significant pushback. Doctor Larol mentioned a twenty twenty four 225 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,080 paper where critics focus on a tiny, tiny subset of 226 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,840 the data, only nine transients. 227 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: Just nine out of over one hundred thousand yep. 228 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: And from those nine, which she called their weakest case, 229 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,080 they tried to claim the entire data set was just 230 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,879 plate defects. It was a massive statistical fallacy. 231 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: It's like testing nine grains of sand at a vast 232 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,559 beach and then concluding the entire beach is made of concrete. 233 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:36,879 Speaker 2: Exactly. So the Vasco team had to come up with 234 00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:39,159 a test that could be applied to the entire sample 235 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,039 of one hundred and seven thousand data points, and they 236 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,279 found the perfect method in the Earth's Shadow. 237 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: The Earth's Shadow test. This is a statistical smoking gun, 238 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:48,759 it is. 239 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: It's a test rooted in really basic physics. You don't 240 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,120 need to know the object's speed or its exact altitude. 241 00:11:55,159 --> 00:11:57,600 To prove it's an orbiting object, you just need to 242 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:58,679 know its light source. 243 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: And for a highly reflect object in orbit, the light 244 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:03,320 source is the Sun. 245 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 2: Precisely so, if an object is highly reflective and its 246 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,639 orbiting Earth, when it passes into the massive shadow cast 247 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,279 by the Earth, the umbra, which extends way out into space, 248 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,720 the reflected sunlight is instantly cut off. 249 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: The object has to disappear from the photographic plate. 250 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: It must, There's no other option. 251 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: And the genius of this method is the control group. 252 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,159 A plate defect, a scratch, a bit of dust, a 253 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,399 chemical spot, that's a static feature of the film. It 254 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,720 has zero reason, absolutely no physical connection to the Earth's 255 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:36,039 orbit or the Sun's. 256 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: Reflection, none whatsoever. So if all these transients were just defects, 257 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,039 their distribution across the photographic plate should be completely uniform, 258 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,120 completely random. They should show up just as often in 259 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:47,960 the area of the sky where the Earth's shadow is 260 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,080 as they do outside of it. 261 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:51,799 Speaker 1: But that's not what they found. They looked for statistical 262 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:55,080 a deficit, a lack of transience in the area of 263 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,919 the sky that was projected onto the plates where the 264 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,200 Earth's shadow should have been. 265 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: Right the shadow zone they examine. It is projected as 266 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,879 a circle of roughly eight point seven degrees and radius 267 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:06,799 in the sky. It varies a bit depending on the 268 00:13:06,799 --> 00:13:10,080 time of year in the observatory's position, but that's the zone. 269 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: And when they ran the statistics. 270 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:15,799 Speaker 2: They found a serious and highly significant deficit of flashes 271 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:16,840 in that shadow zone. 272 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,399 Speaker 1: Serious deficit feels like an understatement. What was the actual 273 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,519 statistical breakdown? 274 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: Doctor Valariel was very clear about this. Roughly one third, 275 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,000 one third of the total transience are statistically missing in 276 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:30,879 that shadow zone. 277 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: A third of them just aren't there. 278 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: They're not there. If they had found zero deficit, the 279 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,840 critics would have been right, it would all be random defects. 280 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:40,919 But the absence of one third of the data points 281 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,039 proves mathematically that those objects are highly reflective, highly mobile, 282 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:49,039 orbital objects that depend on solar reflection to be seen. 283 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,799 Speaker 1: Let's just put that number in perspective for everyone listening. 284 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,440 They cataloged one hundred and seven thousand transients. A one 285 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:59,600 third deficit means that statistically at least thirty five thousand 286 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:05,399 of those cataloged flashes are confirmed real reflective artifacts orbiting 287 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:05,759 the Earth. 288 00:14:06,039 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: You just can't dismiss that that magnitude of evidence cannot 289 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:11,039 be explained away as dust on a lens. 290 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:12,399 Speaker 1: It's unassailable proof. 291 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: The method is so robust because it doesn't require knowing 292 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,320 what the objects are, only how they behave it statistically 293 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,279 demolishes the claim that the entire sample is due to defects, 294 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,360 and it validates the existence of this massive, previously unknown 295 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:27,120 population of orbital objects. 296 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: It's the moment they prove this silent armada Israel. 297 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: It is so we've now proven that thirty five thousand 298 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:36,840 of these objects are highly reflective flat spacecraft, totally dependent 299 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:39,639 on the Sun for their light. But remember the total 300 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:41,600 initial catalog was one hundred and seven. 301 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: Thousand, right, So that raises a huge question about the 302 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,440 other two thirds the transience. 303 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: What are they not? All the transients show that definitive 304 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,440 statistical signature of being purely reflective sunlight, and this opens 305 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,000 the door to a much more complex possibility that. 306 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Some of them could be amissive objects. 307 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: Exactly, meaning they have their own power source or maybe 308 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:03,120 what we're actually seeing our engine burns or active maneuvering. 309 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Villerol admits that from a single static point on 310 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,480 a photographic plate she can't definitively say if the light 311 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:15,320 is reflected sunlight or if the object is generating its 312 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:15,720 own light. 313 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,919 Speaker 2: It could be either. The ones confirmed by the shadow 314 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,480 test are definitely reflective, the others they remain ambiguous. 315 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: This duality, though, it suggests that the orbital population might 316 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,200 not be some passive swarm of debris. It could be 317 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,039 an active fleet with objects that have different functions or different. 318 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: Energy systems, and if they are amissive, we can start 319 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:39,600 to conceptualize just how powerful their propulsion might be. 320 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,279 Speaker 1: This is where that fantastic thought experiment for the source 321 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,480 material comes in. The interviewer asked an AI to analyze 322 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,480 a scenario to help visualize what an amissive object might look. 323 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:51,759 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, using one of our most powerful and well 324 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:52,480 known engines. 325 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: The scenario was this, if three objects were approaching Earth 326 00:15:56,759 --> 00:15:59,480 and they were using a burning thrust as bright as 327 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:02,559 the ardibly powerful Saturn V engine, one of. 328 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:04,919 Speaker 2: The brightest rocket engines in history. 329 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: And that light source generated a similar brightness to some 330 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,879 of the transients they observed on the plates, how far 331 00:16:09,919 --> 00:16:11,440 away would those objects have to be? 332 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:16,159 Speaker 2: And the calculation was startling about eight thousand kilometers. 333 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, so that's much much closer than the initial 334 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,879 forty two thousand kilometer altitude they hypothesized For the reflective objects. 335 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: It's a huge difference. So if some of these flashes 336 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,080 really are engine burns of that magnitude, the objects themselves 337 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,919 could be sitting in relatively low or medium Earth orbit 338 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:37,519 much closer than we think. And conversely, conversely, if those 339 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:40,120 amissive objects are actually sitting way out at the forty 340 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:44,120 two thousand kilometer geo mark, their light source must be 341 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,720 exponentially more powerful than a Saturn V engine. We'd be 342 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:50,480 talking about a truly advanced propulsion technology. 343 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: The implications are just profound. If the reflective objects represent 344 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:58,399 passive surveillance or maybe long duration probes, the emissive ones 345 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:02,679 could represent actively power maneuvering or maybe even recently deployed assets. 346 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: It tells us the orbital ecosystem around Earth is far 347 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,680 more populated and complex than we ever imagined. It could 348 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,279 feature totally different types of non human technology operating side 349 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:13,680 by side. 350 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,799 Speaker 1: It makes a kind of sense, doesn't it. Yeah, why 351 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,880 deploy tens of thousands of passive reflectors if you aren't 352 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,880 also deploying active powered components The fact that the phenomenon 353 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,240 includes both suggests a highly sophisticated, multi layered operation. 354 00:17:28,519 --> 00:17:31,839 Speaker 2: Right. So, once the Vasco team prove the physical reality 355 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:35,039 of these objects using the Earth's shadow, the next logical 356 00:17:35,079 --> 00:17:39,839 step was to shift focus from physics to well to history. 357 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: When did these objects appear and was their appearance random? 358 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: This work was led by doctor Vilail's colleague Stephen Brule 359 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,119 from Thunder University. He's the one who spearheaded the study 360 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,440 looking for these temporal connections between the astronomical transience and 361 00:17:53,559 --> 00:17:55,200 high profile human events, and. 362 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,279 Speaker 1: The results are they're utterly unsettling. 363 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: The first correlation they found was with our most little technology, 364 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:06,039 nuclear weapons. They observed a significant finding a massive sixty 365 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:09,279 eight percent increase in the number of transients observed within 366 00:18:09,319 --> 00:18:11,640 a day of a nuclear weapon blowing off in the 367 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,559 upper atmosphere. 368 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: The sixty eight percent increase, that's a staggering surge. It 369 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:19,960 implies not just a passive presence, but an active reaction 370 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,400 or a dramatic increase in visibility tied to our activity. 371 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: It does. But here's the critical question a skeptic would ask, 372 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,200 is that just a coincidence. Palomar was distant from these tests. 373 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,759 Were they just running the observatory more often around these 374 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:35,319 high profile government events and maybe that skewed. 375 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: The data right, a kind of observation bias. 376 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,759 Speaker 2: Doctor Villarial addressed this directly. The observatory was distant, yes, 377 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,279 which means they were likely missing a lot of localized 378 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:47,519 transience related to the tests. But the data was taken 379 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:51,599 from historical archival plates. It was a pre existing record, so. 380 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:54,599 Speaker 1: The correlation was found by cross referencing this fixed data 381 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:57,400 set with the historical record of detonations. 382 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: Exactly, and the fact that they found such a massive 383 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,400 spike despite the distance suggests the actual correlation might be 384 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,279 exponentially stronger if they had more complete global data. 385 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,799 Speaker 1: So these objects were, in some demonstrable way reacting to, 386 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:16,759 or at least monitoring, our highest level of technological escalation, 387 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,680 our ability to destabilize our own environment. 388 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: It certainly fits the narrative, doesn't It an external entity 389 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:25,759 keeping a very close watch on humanity's most powerful and 390 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:27,680 destructive impulses. 391 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: And the same pattern held true for mass UFO sidings. 392 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,759 They saw a statistically significant increase in transience on days 393 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:36,920 when major global UFO sidings were. 394 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: Happening, but the correlation got even stronger when they started 395 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,400 combining the factors. 396 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:42,799 Speaker 1: Yes, the biggest increase of all was seen when they 397 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:45,200 looked at days that had both a nuclear test and 398 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,440 a mass UFO siding. 399 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: That data point suggests a complex, multi layered event where 400 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,079 our technological escalation and public awareness of these phenomena overlap 401 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,000 with the maximum orbital activity. 402 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: It creates this connection hypothesis at its most compelling, that 403 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,680 the operational activity or maybe just the visibility of these 404 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,759 objects is tightly linked to moments of significant human tension 405 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:10,079 or technological breakthroughs. 406 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: Things that potentially affect the biosphere or global security. 407 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: To bring this home with this specific example, we have 408 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,079 to talk about the finding related to the legendary Washington 409 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:19,400 flap of nineteen fifty two. 410 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: This was probably the most famous mass UFO sighting in 411 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,640 US history. It involved multiple radar contacts, jet fighters being scrambled, 412 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,039 numerous witnesses over the nation's capital in July nineteen fifty two, 413 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,559 just a huge event, and the. 414 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:36,079 Speaker 1: VASCO team analyzing the Mount Palamar plates without even knowing 415 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:39,319 the historical significance of the date, they found an astonishing 416 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,160 data point for July twenty seven, nineteen fifty two. 417 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:43,079 Speaker 2: What did they find. 418 00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: They discovered a formation of five distinct transients, all in 419 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,720 a narrow band. Doctor vill Laurel described them as not 420 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,200 perfectly a lot, you know, not like a military formation, 421 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:55,400 but clearly grouped together in this narrow sector of the sky. 422 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: And this is where the statistics just silence the critics. 423 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:04,200 The probability of this specific formation five objects occurring randomly 424 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,480 in that particular image, given the overall density of transience, 425 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,799 it was calculated at a stunning one in ten thousand. 426 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: One in ten thousand. 427 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,559 Speaker 2: That is an incredibly rare, statistically anomalous event that just 428 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,920 happens to perfectly coincide with the peak of the Washington Flat. 429 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:24,279 Speaker 1: It's so hard to dismiss that as a coincidence, especially 430 00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:27,559 when you consider they also found a triple transient example 431 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:30,359 from the previous weekend, suggesting a build up of orbital 432 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,599 activity leading directly into the main event over Washington. 433 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: And the most important detail, the one that really eliminates 434 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:40,640 the possibility of confirmation bias, is doctor Villarreal's personal admission 435 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,000 about this. 436 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: She stressed that these temporal correlations were analyzed before the team, 437 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,960 particularly Stephen Brule, even cross referenced the data with historical events. 438 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:52,599 Speaker 2: When she was initially writing the paper describing the data, 439 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:55,720 she said she had never heard about the Washington. 440 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,079 Speaker 1: Flat, so the correlation was purely data driven. It was 441 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,359 discovered only after the statistical analysis was complete. 442 00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: That detail is the intellectual lock box that secures this finding. 443 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:08,440 It wasn't driven by researchers who were looking for a 444 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:11,839 historical match. The historical match was imposed upon them by 445 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,839 the data itself. 446 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: It really forces us to acknowledge that whatever these objects are, 447 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,319 whether they're ancient human tech, alien probes, or something else, 448 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,799 entirely they have been observing our planetary activities, particularly our 449 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,559 destructive ones, for at least seventy years. 450 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: This research is so far reaching, so controversial that it 451 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:34,400 just demands an extraordinary level of scientific rigor, and I 452 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,000 think it's vital we spend some time appreciating that this 453 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:39,039 is not the work of one or two enthusiasts. This 454 00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:44,599 is a collaborative, international, and methodologically sound effort the VASCO Project. 455 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, when you make claims this massive, the strength is 456 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,720 in the process and the people involved. Yeah, and doctor 457 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,680 Billarel deliberately highlighted the different teams and their roles to 458 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,799 demonstrate the checks and balances they built into the analysis. 459 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,279 Speaker 2: They ran two parallel methods for data extraction and verification, 460 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,039 which is that's the gold standard for avoiding bias. 461 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,839 Speaker 1: So let's look at the key contributors. On one hand, 462 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:10,480 you have the purely automated large scale data extraction right. 463 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: That was led by Enriq Solano. He's a core team 464 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,160 member who developed the automated analysis they used to catalog 465 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,279 all one hundred and seven thousand transients. And doctor Viloreel 466 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,880 was really careful to note that he is a traditional astronomer. 467 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,000 He is not a UFO enthusiast, so. 468 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,799 Speaker 1: His professional bias was towards skepticism. 469 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: Which adds immense credibility to the raw data extraction process. 470 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: And running at the same time was the manual citizen 471 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,079 science based effort which acted as the critical check on 472 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:38,720 the algorithm. 473 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: YEP, the IT backbone for that. The citizen science interface 474 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:44,880 was built by a team at UPS University led by 475 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,759 Christian Pullmans. This allowed thousands of regular people to manually 476 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,079 check and classify the flashes and then. 477 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,319 Speaker 1: The manual analysis of all those findings that was outsourced 478 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,039 to another independent team. 479 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: To the Algerian team led by doctor Jamahal Mamouney and 480 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,960 Hishanguri at Constantine University. Having this large independent team analyzed 481 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,200 the findings from the citizen scientists and running it parallel 482 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,839 to the automated analysis that ensures that no single source 483 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,759 of bias, whether it's human or algorithmic, could contaminate the 484 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:17,079 verification process. 485 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: That is a phenomenal commitment to validation. They intentionally pitted 486 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,240 a highly automated traditional scientific method against a massive distributed 487 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:29,240 human analysis just to make sure they weren't seeing artifacts 488 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:30,000 of their own system. 489 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: And they had other experts too support Astronomer Stefan Gier 490 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,440 conducting follow up observations, Alina Sklanska providing analysis expertise, and 491 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:42,000 of course Stephen Brule, who added the historical context connecting 492 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,039 the shadow verified objects to the nukes and the UFO setings. 493 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,400 It's a truly interdisciplinary approach. 494 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:49,279 Speaker 1: When you look at the makeup of the team, it 495 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:53,400 tells you what they value. They value process objectivity and 496 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,200 external verification. 497 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,519 Speaker 2: And that objectivity extends to their own internal conclusions. Doct 498 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,920 while admitted she is the crazy one who likes to 499 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,400 form and test the boldest hypotheses like techno signatures, or 500 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,079 advanced surveillance operations. She's willing to test the extraterrestrial hypothesis, 501 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:12,400 but she. 502 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: Also stressed that the majority of the team remains open minded, 503 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,160 very much so. 504 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: They understand that while the Earth's Shadow test definitively confirms 505 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,680 the objects are real and in orbit, it does not 506 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:23,839 confirm their origin. 507 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:29,279 Speaker 1: Their possibilities range from purely astrophysical phenomena, which seems unlikely 508 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:34,200 given the geometry in the shadow test, to active extraterrestrial surveillance. 509 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:38,039 Speaker 2: Or the equally mind bending possibility objects left by a past, 510 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,400 forgotten human civilization. Their conclusion is that they have to 511 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,519 remain scientifically humble. They have to recognize that the current 512 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,920 data simply forces them to look at these extraordinary possibilities. 513 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: This open mindedness is also why they're so keen to 514 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:53,920 address the issue of continuity. We know they were there 515 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,200 in the nineteen fifties, but has this fleet vanished or 516 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,759 is it still up there, still operating. 517 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: They haven't yet run the analysis on the subsequent decades 518 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,640 of plates the sixties, seventies, or eighties, but it's a 519 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,759 high priority for them. We can, however, compare the historical 520 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,079 rate to modern surveys right. 521 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,519 Speaker 1: The nineteen fifties data showed a rate of about one 522 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,759 point one transience per square. 523 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,799 Speaker 2: Degree per hour, and modern transience surveys actually show a 524 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:20,480 slightly higher rate one point seven to one point eight 525 00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,440 transients per square degree per hour. The increase is there, 526 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,480 it's just not dramatically higher. 527 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,279 Speaker 1: Which leads to the fundamental question that doctor Villarel posed. 528 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,640 Are we simply miscategorizing a continuing surveillance operation as our 529 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,440 own debris? 530 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: She asks if the countless modern flashes that astronomers just 531 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,480 assume our space trash unidentified fragments of rockets or satellites, 532 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,000 are actually these same long duration non human objects. 533 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: If the nineteen fifties had thirty five thousand verified artifacts, 534 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,720 it seems highly likely that their presence persists today, just 535 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,720 masked by our own orbital pollution. 536 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,519 Speaker 2: And she even wants to check early nineteen sixties lists 537 00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:01,400 of uncorrelated tracks objects that they could definitively identify as 538 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,720 satellites back then to see if they vanish in the 539 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,680 Earth's shadow. That would be a way to confirm continuity. 540 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,839 Speaker 1: The journey from observing vanishing stars to confirming a silent 541 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,079 armada in Earth orbit has been just phenomenal, But observation 542 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,759 only gets you so far. What's the next logical, actionable 543 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,240 step for the Vasco team. 544 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: Well, their immediate plans involve refining their analysis of the 545 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,240 existing beta. They want to run the shadow test at 546 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,920 different hypothesized altitudes to see if the highest density of 547 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,079 these objects really is around that forty two thousand kilometer 548 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,039 GEO mark, or if it might be higher, maybe sixty 549 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,960 thousand kilometers or even much lower. 550 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: But the true ambition the real next step lies in 551 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,920 the Exoprobe project. This is their leap from historical archival 552 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,519 analysis to real time physical tracking and interception. 553 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: The exoprob project is the plan to use modern powerful 554 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,519 telescopes to triangulate these transients. Triangulation is the only way 555 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,359 to get the definitive actual altitude of these objects, and 556 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,480 once they can confirm the orbital altitude instability, then they 557 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,480 can move to the ultimate scientific objective, retrieval. 558 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: The holy grail of this research is getting a physical 559 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,039 sample of one of these objects, because if you have 560 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,640 the object, you can start asking questions about its construction, 561 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:16,759 its material, and most importantly, its age. The dating method 562 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,279 they propose is what makes this so exciting, since traditional 563 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,720 carbon dating is irrelevant for non organic material. They plan 564 00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,920 to analyze the micro meteorite holes on the surface of 565 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,519 the object. 566 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: Can you walk us through how that works? 567 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,839 Speaker 1: Sure, objects orbiting in space are just constantly being bombarded 568 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,279 by tiny dust particles and micro meteorites. The longer an 569 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,440 object has been up there in orbit, the higher the 570 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,519 density of impact creators that will accumulate. 571 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: So if an object shows signs of extensive bombardment many 572 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,079 different sizes and densities of impaied holes, scientists could potentially 573 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:52,559 determine that the artifact is at least five hundred years old. 574 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Five hundred years old, that is a mind bending concept. 575 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,640 It pushes the potential deployment date of this orbital fleet 576 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,000 back to the fifteen to twenty before the scientific revolution, 577 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:04,039 before the invention of the telescope. 578 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,279 Speaker 2: We're talking about truly revolutionary technology from a time we 579 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,319 associate with wooden ships and simple clocks, and. 580 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,599 Speaker 1: That age dating immediately feeds back into the discussion of origin. 581 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,759 Doctor Villariel is so careful to emphasize that even if 582 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,440 they retrieve a five hundred year old artificial object, the 583 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,160 origin remains an open question. 584 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: She cautions against immediately shouting aliens. 585 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,599 Speaker 1: Yes, She reminds us that they cannot exclude the possibility 586 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,359 that this technology came from some past human civilization on 587 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,960 the Earth that we just have forgotten about, a highly 588 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,359 advanced but maybe regionally focused civilization that launched this orbital 589 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,440 surveillance a long time ago, only for its existence to 590 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,400 be lost to history. 591 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: The practical challenge, of course, is logistics. If these are 592 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,400 intelligent autonomous probes that have been operating for centuries, they 593 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,799 may not exactly want to come down to Earth. 594 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,039 Speaker 1: A bit of an understatement. The interview ended with a 595 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,400 note about the necessity of connecting doctor Villarel with people 596 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,079 in the space garbage disposal field to help facilitate a 597 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,599 mission plan to intercept and retrieve one of these objects. 598 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,519 Speaker 2: The scientific and engineering verdles are just immense, but the 599 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,960 payoff is absolute. You would fundamentally rewrite history, regardless of 600 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,480 whether the artifact proves to be ancient, human or extraterrestrial. 601 00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,559 A physical sample dating back five hundred years would provide 602 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:27,279 indisputable proof of advanced technology operating in orbit centuries before 603 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:29,720 we ever cracked the physics necessary to join them. 604 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,759 Speaker 1: We started thrilling threads today challenging the assumption that all 605 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,359 evidence of non human technology has to be distant or dramatic, 606 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,720 and the Vasco project proves that a silent armada has 607 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:42,559 been waiting hidden in plain sight. 608 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: The AHA moments here are just statistically ironclad. We've established 609 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,720 the existence of what roughly thirty five thousand highly reflective 610 00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:53,880 flat artifacts orbiting the Earth in the nineteen fifties, and 611 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,720 that's validated by the simple yet elegant physics of the 612 00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:57,960 Earth's shadow tests, and. 613 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,799 Speaker 1: Their behavior isn't random. The op statistically correlate with moments 614 00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,119 of global tension, a sixty eight percent increase in sightings 615 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,440 tied to nuclear test and they form these statistically anomalous 616 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,000 patterns during events like the Washington flap of nineteen fifty two, 617 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,119 a pattern link to a one in ten thousand probability, and. 618 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,039 Speaker 2: The rigor of the team using both automated and citizen 619 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:22,160 science verification means the core finding that these are real 620 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,759 orbiting objects is robust. The scientific conversation has really moved 621 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,920 past if they exist to what they are. 622 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: Which leads us back to the incredible possibilities that doctor 623 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,839 Villarel and her team are pursuing. If they succeed in 624 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,200 the exitprobmission and they retrieve a sample they might hove 625 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,160 through micro meteorite dating that this technology has been operational 626 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,400 for five centuries. 627 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,799 Speaker 2: Five centuries. That means this fleet watched the Enlightenment, the 628 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,880 Industrial Revolution, two World Wars, and the entire birth of 629 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,880 the nuclear age. 630 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: So, for you listening, given the sheer number of highly advanced, reflective, 631 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,119 intelligently behaving objects found in the nineteen fifties and their 632 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,640 strong correlation with our most destabilizing activities, what stands out 633 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,079 to you? Do you believe these silent Watchers represent an 634 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:07,880 ancient technology we simply forgot, may be lost to some 635 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,599 cataclysm human history, or are they an active, long term 636 00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:15,359 surveillance operation from somewhere else. What implications does a five 637 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,000 hundred year old fleet have for our view of history. 638 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:19,200 We'd love to hear your thoughts.