1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,719 --> 00:00:07,360 Earlier this morning, we talked about the strategy for the 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,320 defense and how the plan was going to be to 4 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:15,480 put some distance between Gleainne Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and 5 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:20,719 his crimes and also continue to keep punching at the 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:26,960 memory of the survivors themselves. So today we heard from 7 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:32,399 one of the defense's star witnesses, and she gave her 8 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:38,200 testimony as far as memory goes and her expertise in 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,759 the field. But before we get to that, we also 10 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:48,600 heard from Kimberly Espinoza, who was an executive assistant to 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,240 Jeffrey Epstein. She was somebody that worked with him up 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,880 until two thousand and three and somebody who speaks still 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,000 to this day glowingly of them. So that was the 14 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:02,759 first witness that came out, and that's where we're going 15 00:01:02,799 --> 00:01:07,319 to start today. So let's just jump right in and 16 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:10,879 let's see what transpired in that courtroom, and let's see 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,840 if the defense did a good enough job doing those 18 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:17,120 two things. We talked about putting some distance between themselves 19 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:23,799 and Jeffrey Epstein and punching moreholes in the testimony of 20 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,480 these witnesses. So the day started off with the first 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,799 witness being called to the stand, and that was Kimberly Espinoza. 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,120 And her name is spelled with a C, not with 23 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:44,799 a K. Now, she was an executive assistant for Epstein, 24 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,159 and when they asked her who she was hired by, 25 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:50,680 she responds by saying that she was hired by the 26 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:54,280 Jeffrey by the Jay Epstein Company. Now that was one 27 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:57,280 of the companies that Jeffrey Epstein had that he was running. 28 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:02,079 He had several of them. He had several operations offshore 29 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,079 as far as bank accounts go as LLCs, so there 30 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,879 were several different entities that Jeffrey Epstein was running as businesses. 31 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,719 Asked by the defense about how she found out about 32 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:20,960 the job, she says that she responded to a newspaper 33 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,280 ad and then subsequently interviewed with a job aid agency 34 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,120 and after that she was, you know, given the job 35 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:34,439 over at Epstein's working with Epstein, and so the story goes. 36 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,919 She was also asked about her residence during this time 37 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:42,680 that she was hired, and she responds that she was 38 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,879 hired in October of nineteen ninety six and around that 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,719 time she was living on the Upper East side of Manhattan. 40 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,319 When asked if she would recognize Maxwell, she pointed to 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,080 her in the courtroom, the defense once again is trying 42 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,360 to make the case that there were multiple assists to 43 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,159 Epstein and that it wasn't just Maxwell working closely with him, 44 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,000 by bringing Sarah Kellen Vickers and Emmy Taylor up again. 45 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:11,199 So again you see what she's trying to do here. 46 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:13,719 They're trying to create that distance, They're trying to create 47 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:18,280 that buffer zone. They're trying to say that it wasn't Maxwell. 48 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,759 There was a lot of assistance involved here. How can 49 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,719 you just say it's Glenn Maxwell? How dare you there's 50 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:28,199 no evidence to prove that. Meanwhile, you have all of 51 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,319 these survivors themselves telling you it was Maxwell. But the 52 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,879 attempt here is to have that insulation right, to drum 53 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,159 up enough doubt in the mind of the jurors that 54 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:45,199 it is something that they can't convict her on. That 55 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:54,159 is what they're attempting to do here. She went on 56 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,080 to say that she saw Sarah Kellen Vickers more towards 57 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:01,280 the end of her tenure, and that she also worked 58 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:05,840 with Emmy Taylor as well. When asked about the office 59 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:09,240 and what the layout looked like. Espinoza described the floor 60 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:12,919 plan and where her office was in relation to Epstein's, 61 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:16,079 and how her and Glaine shared an office. So this 62 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,680 wasn't somebody who didn't know Glaine Maxwell. And we've talked 63 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,279 about Kimberly here on the podcast before. She was another 64 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:29,079 person that was entrenched in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit. And I 65 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:32,480 don't even understand how these people could be called as 66 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:36,000 defense witnesses. They should all be indicted at the very least, 67 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:41,279 they should all be put under oath and made to 68 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,800 talk about Epstein's criminal conspiracy and Maxwell's criminal conspiracy because 69 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,920 they were all in on it together for all of 70 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:52,399 these years. And the same goes for the pilots, the 71 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:56,399 same goes for Juana Lessi, all of these people that 72 00:04:56,439 --> 00:05:00,279 were around Jeffrey Epstein so often for so many years, 73 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,439 and then have the audacity to talk about how, oh 74 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:06,439 I don't know nothing, I didn't see anything, I had 75 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:10,480 no idea. I just can't believe that. That is absolute 76 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:16,560 BS in my opinion. When asked if she signed an 77 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:19,600 NDA while working for Epstein and Maxwell, she declared that 78 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,720 she did. The NPA was a huge part of working 79 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,319 for Epstein, and it was a very common practice for 80 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,120 that to occur. Now, obviously, somebody like Jeffrey Epstein, he 81 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:33,920 needs silence. He needs people that are not going to 82 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:38,040 rock the boat, people who aren't going to talk to reporters, 83 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:40,920 people who aren't going to talk about what they see, 84 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,639 what they experience, what they're involved in. And Jeffrey Epstein 85 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,639 he had a way of doing that. And obviously it 86 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,279 always revolved around money. But these people that were in 87 00:05:54,279 --> 00:06:02,040 his inner circle, they were all signing these NDAs, and 88 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,680 you see it in the business world a lot as well. 89 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,639 Look at Leon Black and the current issues he's having 90 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,360 with Miss Ganieva. He says that they were in a 91 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:16,600 consensual relationship. She says otherwise, well, she had to sign 92 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,160 an NDA, right, because that's how these people are, folks. 93 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:25,680 Everything's a business transaction to these people. It is. It's 94 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,199 just strange to me. All of these so called elite 95 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:31,319 and the way they're wired is absolutely bizarre to me. 96 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:39,360 It also offered him another layer, meaning the NDA, another 97 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:42,040 layer of protection when the walls came closing in. That 98 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,160 was always Jeffrey Epstein's plan, right to have as many 99 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,240 layers between him and the trouble as possible, and the 100 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:53,639 failsafe was his connections with his pals and intelligence. But 101 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:55,959 the idea was to set it all up so you 102 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,480 never got to that point, so that you had all 103 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,079 of these layers in front of you, all of these 104 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,199 different people acting as buffers, lieutenants, groomers, people going out 105 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,720 to get the girls, etc. Etc. And then Jeffrey Epstein 106 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:11,600 can sit back and say, what are you talking about? 107 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:19,199 I was just getting massages. According to her, she was 108 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,279 comfortable signing the NDA meaning kimberly considering the nature of 109 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:26,279 her work, and that she had signed them before. When 110 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:28,680 the witness was asked if she had ever booked massages 111 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,319 for Maxwell, she said that yes she had, but they 112 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,720 were always professional massuses that she booked, And when asked 113 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,040 about Epstein, she responded in kind and once again she 114 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,639 says that they were professional massuses. So my question is 115 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,439 why did they need fifteen and sixteen year old girls 116 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,279 to provide massages when they could have simply called any 117 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,040 number of professionals. And this is a question I have 118 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,720 asked from Jump Street. You don't look if you need 119 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,319 a massage and you need to get the kinks worked out, 120 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,279 you want a professional doing that, right, You're not looking 121 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,279 for your girlfriend to get in there with a couple 122 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:08,160 of elbows and maybe maybe work out half of a knot. 123 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:11,800 And the same goes here. You're gonna have a fourteen 124 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:14,879 or fifteen or sixteen year old untrained girl come over 125 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,720 and massage You're back as a billionaire, millionaire or whatever 126 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:21,079 the hell it is. It doesn't make any sense. You 127 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,040 have access to the best professionals in the world. You 128 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:28,439 could have your girl Kimberly call insert sports team here 129 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,800 and get the hookup for whatever their massage therapy people are. 130 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,279 But yet you're going around picking these little girls up, 131 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,000 bringing them to the house and it's for a massage. 132 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:40,960 That's what you want us to believe. Zero chance I 133 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,360 believe any of that. When asked if she ever saw 134 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:51,840 Jane around the office, she responds that she did, and 135 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:54,440 when asked how old she thought Jane was, she says 136 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:59,679 that probably eighteen. After a pause, yeah, pretty uh self 137 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,960 served for you to say that, right, talk about protecttion neck. 138 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:07,120 Oh yeah, they all looked eighteen, like Larry Vasaski says, 139 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,159 girl was fourteen. Oh well, she had a rather large 140 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:14,120 chest and she looked eighteen to me, Oh, okay, buddy, sure, 141 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:21,519 And again, unfortunately, you can't really deny that, right, How 142 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:24,799 can you prove that that's not what he thought. It's 143 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,840 his word against what reality really is. And while we 144 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,919 all might know that he's a scumbag and he's obviously lying, 145 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:35,440 how can you prove that he says, hey, look, I 146 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,879 thought she was eighteen. And he's not the one doing 147 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,720 the abuse, right, He's not the one involved in the abuse. 148 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:45,919 And again that's why it is just beyond me that 149 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,960 this isn't more of a larger umbrella as far as 150 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,200 the charges go. You mean to tell me, people like 151 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:59,440 Larry Vasaski, who was bringing these girls across state lines, 152 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,559 bring them a cross intercontinental lines, shouldn't have any sort 153 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,039 of penalty. Here comes gives a half assed testimony, and 154 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,840 then that's her app for him. He gets to go 155 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:11,279 back to the forty acres that Jeffrey Epstein gave him. 156 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:14,960 Must be nice to be on the other side of 157 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,480 that two tier justice system. This has been a tactic 158 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:22,440 of all the people who were close to Epstein and 159 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,720 Maxwell plausible deniability. The ol I had no idea. And 160 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:30,879 when the defense asks about Epstein's planes and if Jane 161 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:34,799 Ever flew on them. Kimberly responds she does not know. 162 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:38,639 The witness tells the court that she saw Jane on 163 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,799 a soap opera and that she, the witness, was a 164 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,480 fan of the specific show that Jane was on. She 165 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,039 says that Jane sent her autographed photographs of her since 166 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,879 she was such a fan, and to this Christian Everdell 167 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,440 hands her evidence that's the lawyer for Maxwell, provided by 168 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,279 the defense and ask her asks her to tell the 169 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,759 court what they are. After looking at the photos, she 170 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:04,440 responds that they are the headshots of three of the 171 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,480 cast members and a group photo of the whole cast. 172 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,519 When asked how she recognized them, she responds that they 173 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,519 are hers. One of the photos reads, dearest Kimberly, thank 174 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,000 you for always being so sweet and such a great help. 175 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:22,519 And this was given to her by Jane. But again, 176 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,080 I don't understand where the defense is going here. It 177 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,480 doesn't make sense to me trying to set it up 178 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,759 as Kimberly was a decent person or decent to this 179 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,799 young lady Jane. I don't know how this helps Gawayne Maxwell, 180 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,600 I guess, is my point. When the defense changes it 181 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,600 up again and asks about Epstein and Maxwell's relationship, Espinoza 182 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:47,120 says she always thought of them as a couple because 183 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,000 of their interactions with one another went together, they were flirty. This, 184 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,919 in my opinion, was all part of the grand ruse. 185 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,919 The cover of them being in a relationship was the 186 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,679 perfect reason for them to spend so much time together 187 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,840 while they're real motivations. The Compromott game stayed the priority. 188 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,240 So they have the cover of them being hey, look 189 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,080 we're in a relationship, we're dating, whatever it may be, 190 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,440 and they're spending all this time together when in reality 191 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,039 they're cooking up something behind the scenes. And we all 192 00:12:17,039 --> 00:12:19,919 know at this point that Jeffrey Epstein wasn't doing this 193 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,120 in a vacuum. While he was a sick, disgusting man 194 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:28,639 with very gross proclivities, he was also building dossier's on people. 195 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,960 He was also collecting blackmail information on very powerful people, 196 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,159 well placed people, and that was always the main goal, 197 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,759 at least in my opinion, of Jeffrey Epstein and Glene 198 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,879 Maxwell and this whole entire criminal enterprise. The rest of this, 199 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,759 the sex trafficking and the abuse, while it fulfilled Jeffrey 200 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,399 Epstein's disgusting proclivities. It was a means to an end 201 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:58,120 to get this Compromont asked about the importance of Maxwell 202 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,559 to Epstein, Espinosa responds that she Maxwell was very important 203 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:09,039 to her, Espinosa and obviously very important to Epstein as well. Yeah, no, 204 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,440 shit right, she was the key cog. Epstein and Maxwell 205 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:20,279 go together like Tom Brady and Gronkowski. They're just inseparable, right, 206 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,480 And that's how it was with Maxwell and Epstein. They 207 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:25,320 were always together, always involved with each other. And it 208 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,840 wasn't just like it was one house. They weren't neighbors. 209 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:34,000 They were together all over the world. Espinosa goes on 210 00:13:34,039 --> 00:13:37,240 to lists the different real estate acquisitions of Epstein, listing 211 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:41,440 the Paris apartment first and then the Island. After Maxwell's 212 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,919 attorney continue to ask about the properties and the construction 213 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:48,960 and asked if Espinosa was involved with any of it. 214 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,639 She responds that she was in charge of furnishing the 215 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:58,000 house at the island, and the idea was to get 216 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 it to look like a resort, like a five star hotel. 217 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Tell She then goes on to tell the court about 218 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:06,240 how they literally ship sand to the beach because Epstein 219 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,799 wanted more sand at the beach and even brought in 220 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:12,960 more palm trees. Now think about the Hubris. Oh there's 221 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,240 not enough sand on my beach. I'm gonna need to 222 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:22,200 import some sand to my island beach. It again, the 223 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:27,759 thought patterns of these people absolutely absurd. Imagine having money, 224 00:14:27,759 --> 00:14:29,919 it'll blow like that. Yeah, let me get to bring 225 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,519 some You know the old saying, right, why are you 226 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:34,919 gonna bring sand to the beach? Well, this idiot absolutely 227 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,320 destroyed that statement. Right, let me order some sand and 228 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,440 bring it to the island and add some to the 229 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,440 beach because there wasn't enough sand there already, not for nothing. 230 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,080 How about just dredging some sand up? Perhaps these people 231 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,840 she turns to the infrastructure and she explains that they 232 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:57,759 even went so far as to have a fire drug 233 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:00,639 ship to the island, and there were fire and I 234 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:04,399 guess on tuty whenever they were on the island. Now, 235 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,840 it's kind of interesting because at Zoro Ranch, when I 236 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,440 was there, you could see the mock firehouse, the farmhouse 237 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,639 they had set up there, a whole entire like mini town, 238 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,279 and a lot of the help stayed at this part 239 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,639 of the ranch, which is I don't know a mile 240 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,840 and a half or so from the main house. But 241 00:15:25,919 --> 00:15:28,279 it seems to be a common theme at these bigger 242 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,000 properties that they have stuff like the fireman house, the 243 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:35,279 mock school house, et cetera. They have a bunch of 244 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,840 this weird stuff on the island and over at Zoro Ranch. 245 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,320 She goes on to tell the court that Epstein liked 246 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,279 to have his bread flown in before he arrived, sometimes 247 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,480 some special butter as well. Now turning back to some 248 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:55,360 of the other assistants that were in Epstein's orbit she Orbit, 249 00:15:55,399 --> 00:15:59,799 the defense asks about Emmy Taylor. Espinoza explains that Emmy 250 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:03,360 to care of the dog, and she carried Maxwell's handbag. 251 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,480 And again I say to myself, what does that even mean? 252 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:11,120 Imagine being so ridiculous that you need somebody to carry 253 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,519 your handbag around. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm gonna do 254 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,039 with my wealth and my power. I'm gonna have somebody 255 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:26,360 follow me around and carry my wallet. Asked about Maxwell 256 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:28,919 and Epstein living together, she says that they did not. 257 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:32,360 Asked about the properties in England and if she ever visited, 258 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:35,480 she responded that yes she had. When asked who owned it, 259 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:39,200 she said she didn't know. Asked about others who visited 260 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:44,039 Epstein at the office. Espinoza says that Shelley Chocolate Sauce 261 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:49,080 Lewis and gwendolen Beck also came to visit. Gwendolen Beck 262 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,360 is a failed politician who was bankrolled by Epstein as 263 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,799 she pursued office. I'm posting an upload about gwendolen Beck 264 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,200 and one about Shelley Ann Lewis's. Well. Now, the Shelley 265 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,799 Ann Lewis story is very interesting, so we're gonna leave 266 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:09,039 that to the uploaded episode that's gonna be coming after this. 267 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:13,599 But she was somebody who was close to Epstein, very 268 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:20,240 very much in his orbit, and another person who somehow 269 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,920 has escaped all kinds of scrutiny as this thing is unfolded. 270 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,119 And same with gwendolen Beck. I have an article an 271 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,400 upload that I'm posting about her and her story as 272 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,319 far as her involvement with Epstein, So both of those 273 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:42,119 will be up later on tonight. When asked about Glaine 274 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,559 and her travels in Florida and if she was always 275 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:47,279 in Palm Beach, Espinosa answered that when she was in 276 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:49,880 Florida sometimes she went to Miami as well because she 277 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,160 has friends there. Now, right before they get ready for 278 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,359 the midboarding break, the questioning turns to Maxwell's relationship briefly 279 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:06,079 with Gateway Computer's cofeund Ted Waite, and when Espinoza was 280 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,359 asked if she knew Ted Waite or knew who he was, 281 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,400 she responded that she didn't, but it wasn't long before 282 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,519 she learned. Now, Ted Waite and Glenn Maxwell were romantically 283 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:22,119 connected and they had a thing for a little bit 284 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,519 of time together. Now, when they get back from the break, 285 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,400 the defense continues to try and insert Sarah Kelln Vickers 286 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,400 into the equation. I mean, it would have been nice 287 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,640 if the prosecution would have done the same by indicting 288 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,319 r Uh to try and fortify that layer of insulation 289 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,079 between Maxwell and Epstein in his behavior. Again, now, Sarah 290 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,359 Kelln Vickers is a member of what I have dubbed 291 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,240 the Corps four. These are the women in Epstein's orbit 292 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:50,559 that made the machine move for him. They were spoiled 293 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:54,039 with gifts, money, and access to the most powerful and rich, 294 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,000 and the cost of all this their loyalty and silence. 295 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,759 After Epstein was arrested the first time and granted the 296 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:04,799 Sweetheart NPA, it also protected Sarah Kellen Vickers from prosecution. 297 00:19:05,599 --> 00:19:09,440 The defense also asks if Maxwell had ever been married, 298 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,599 and when Espinoza goes to respond, the prosecution objects and 299 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:21,759 Nathan allows it. So this NPA that was given to 300 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:26,119 Jeffrey Epstein and his associates the first time around is 301 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,920 a real big monkey in the wrench. And you'll notice 302 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,279 that I refer to it quite a bit because it's 303 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:35,559 a huge problem here. If that NPA would never came 304 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:38,960 into existence, or if that NPA got thrown out because 305 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:43,960 it's garbage, then the whole entire tone of this case 306 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,759 could change and will change. But unfortunately that is not 307 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:51,920 the case yet. Now the only thing left to the 308 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,680 survivors is to go all the way to the Supreme Court, 309 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,759 and it looks like they're going to do just that. 310 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,359 But as of now, that non prosecution agree that Epstein 311 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:05,119 weaseled out of the government, it just really looms large 312 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:11,680 in this whole entire thing. Espinoza is then asked about 313 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:14,920 when she departed Epstein's employ and she responds that she 314 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,359 left in two thousand and two so that she could 315 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,720 get back to her roots in Cali after the nine 316 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,000 to eleven attacks the year before. Before the defense team 317 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:25,519 turns the witness over for cross She has asked if 318 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:29,559 she ever saw Maxwell or Epstein engage in any inappropriate 319 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:33,720 activity with underage girls. She responds that she never saw 320 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:36,759 anything like that. Well, my question would be, how does 321 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:39,000 she know how all the girls were? Did she check 322 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:43,319 everybody's ID at the door like a bouncer. So you 323 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,519 can't just look at somebody and say, oh, this person's 324 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:49,440 this age, especially not these days. So I don't know 325 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,440 how she can be so confident in saying that the 326 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,680 cross examination was super brief, just one question basically asking 327 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,000 her if she was ever in Palm Beach, meaning the house, 328 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,200 and she says no, that she was not at that 329 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:05,920 pom Beach house. So we know that a lot of 330 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,240 these accusations have taken place down in that pom Beach residence. 331 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,160 And what the defense, I mean, what the prosecution was 332 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,039 trying to do there is say that her whole entire 333 00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:20,680 testimony means squad. Really, she wasn't even down in pom Beach. 334 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,039 How does she know? The next witness that they call 335 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,359 up is a gentleman named Rogu sud. The questioning by 336 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,640 Christian Everdella of the defense team starts with the basics, 337 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,440 asking the witness where he lives and where he works. 338 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:39,279 To this, he says that he lives in East Windsor, 339 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:42,200 New Jersey, and that he works at Shoppers Travel in 340 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,920 the position of vice president and that he has been 341 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,720 with the company since nineteen eighty eight. Asking about Epstein 342 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,279 and if Epstein frequent in his frequented his business as 343 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:56,000 a customer, Mister sud answers that yes, Epstein was a customer. 344 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,799 Mister ragu is then asked to look at some records 345 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,640 by prosecution, to which he responds that they go until 346 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,680 two thousand and six. He responds that yes, that is 347 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,720 correct and there is no redirect. So the next witness 348 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:15,039 that they're about to call up is Elizabeth Loftis. But 349 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,519 what they were trying to do here is established that 350 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:23,400 Epstein was a customer at this establishment and that these 351 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,119 records were legit, and that was what the witness was 352 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,160 brought up to do to authenticate those documents. So moving 353 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,359 on to Loftus, this is where the meat and the 354 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,480 potatoes come in today. This is where the prosecution, dare 355 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:47,240 I say, had a bit of a shining moment. She 356 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,160 is asked to list her credentials for the court, and 357 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,000 she goes on to tell them about all the work 358 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:55,400 she has previously done and how she has testified in 359 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,960 about three hundred trials. She also tells the court how 360 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,640 she has been consulted by the Department of Justice and 361 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,079 the CIA. Well, that's nice, the CIA consulting you. That 362 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,839 can only bode well for somebody. When asked how many 363 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,200 times she has testified for the prosecution, she responds that 364 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:18,480 her field of study and research into false memories doesn't 365 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,920 exactly fit the narrative or agenda of the government. Thus, 366 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:24,279 she is less likely to be called as a witness 367 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:27,759 for the state, and that's why she is a witness 368 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:31,640 for the prosecution. So excuse me why she's a witness 369 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,240 for the defense so often? I think we have other 370 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,920 ideas about why she does it, and the prosecution definitely 371 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,200 gets to that a little bit further down here in 372 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:54,200 the testimony, Loftus launches into her explanation of memory by 373 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,759 saying that one thing we know about memory is that 374 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,599 it doesn't work like a recording device. She goes on 375 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,160 to a drawing of a barbelle that is labeled acquisition, retention, 376 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,119 and retrieval. Her testimony is an attempt for the defense 377 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,559 to establish once again that the memory of the survivors 378 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,720 cannot be trusted and that this diagram and that the 379 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,759 work that doctor Lofice engages in proves that. So basically, 380 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:24,359 she presented this diagram with the three steps of memory 381 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:30,799 in her field of study, and that's acquisition, retention, and retrieval. 382 00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:33,960 So what she goes on to do is try and 383 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,160 prove that the memories of these girls aren't as stable 384 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,279 as they would want you to believe, that they perhaps 385 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,400 have embellish some of the trauma, forgotten, some of it, 386 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:51,160 got things confused. And this is the diagram how she's 387 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,559 explaining how that all occurs. She goes on to discuss 388 00:24:56,599 --> 00:25:00,599 the media as a source of post event suggestion, attempting 389 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,400 to paint a picture that the media coverage of these 390 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,160 events have guided the memory of the accusers. And I 391 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,839 think that's ridiculous. Remember before they called her as a witness, 392 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,559 I said, I find that this field of study is 393 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,799 quackery anyway, I don't even really take it seriously, honestly. 394 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,839 But what she's trying to do is set it up 395 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,839 that the witnesses, because it's been so long and the trauma, 396 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:29,880 that they have forgotten a lot of major details, and 397 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,519 in fact, they've added details to it that didn't exist 398 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:42,319 because of the exposure from the media. When she was asked, 399 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,079 meaning the witness, if she was a practicing therapist, she 400 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,480 says that she is not, but that she sometimes studies patients. 401 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,440 When asked if there was a way to prove a 402 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:57,160 memory outside of a laboratory setting, the prosecution objects to this, 403 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,720 and Judge Nathan sustains it. When asked about the research 404 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,799 she doctor Loftis has performed on the confidence in memory, 405 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,240 she explains to the Jerry that people can get very 406 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,759 confident about wrong answers and have been affected by post 407 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:16,200 events suggestion. So what she's saying is you could be 408 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,160 very very confident in your answers and your memory of 409 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,079 it of the situation could still be wrong. And that's again, 410 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,680 it goes right to the heart of what the defense 411 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,000 has been trying to do the whole entire time here. 412 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,400 This has been the crux of their defense. They are 413 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,160 not going to let go, they are not going to 414 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,480 let off the gas, and they're going to continue down 415 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,359 this pathway. So after that they break for lunch and 416 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,519 then coming back from lunch, The questioning of doctor Loftis 417 00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:51,160 continues as the defense continues to ask her questions about 418 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,240 memory retention and memory loss, as well as confidence in 419 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,400 memory and the accuracy of them. According to her testimony, 420 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,680 people it can express a certain level of confidence, and 421 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,920 if they then get new information, it can artificially increase 422 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,960 their confidence in what they are saying. She's basically saying 423 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,400 that everyone's the hero in their own story. And when 424 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,920 asked what her rate was, this is a preemptive move, 425 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,599 my guess would be by the prosecutor, I mean by 426 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,400 the defense, because they know the prosecution is going to 427 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,839 talk about this. She says that she makes six hundred 428 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,440 bucks an hour, and when asked if she was getting 429 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,279 paid for this testimony, she equipped she hopes so. So 430 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,359 with that framing things, they get ready to hand her 431 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,160 over to the prosecution. Right off of the bat, the 432 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,079 prosecutors come out swinging. They asked doctor Loftis about consulting 433 00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,680 in her history of providing testimony for the defense at 434 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,799 trial over hundreds of times. Doctor Loftis responds to this 435 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,319 by answering, yeah, probably around that number. When asked about 436 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,400 her very limited number of times working with the prosecute 437 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,319 a number that totaled five. She answered that that is 438 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,359 correct also, and we all know the deal, right she 439 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,200 says that it doesn't fit the narrative, but really there's 440 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,680 no money in working for the state. And the point 441 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,599 that and that's the point that the prosecution is trying 442 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,480 to drive home here that there's no financial benefit for 443 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,559 her working with the state. So that's why you see 444 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:26,279 her working with the defense so often, and they're doing 445 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,559 it effectively, and it's about time. It is about time 446 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,440 that the prosecution bit down on their mouthpiece and went 447 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:38,720 a little harder in the paint here. Now they move 448 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,400 on to the book that doctor Loftus wrote called Witness 449 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,319 for the Defense, stating that in that book she wrote 450 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,440 that she should be an advocate, to which doctor loftis. 451 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,680 She took exception to this because she said that context 452 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,920 was being left out. When asked if she was sitting 453 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,799 in on this trial specifically or present for testimony for 454 00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,680 this trial, she responded that she was not present in 455 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,039 the courtroom. So what they're establishing is her testimony is 456 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:09,000 about general case overall, not about this specific case, and 457 00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,119 they want to hammer that point home to the jury 458 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,720 so that the jury. They understand that, well, she might 459 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,599 have expertise in this field, she hasn't been in the weeds. 460 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,599 She doesn't have all of the nuanced information about this case. 461 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Now the prosecution starts in on the meat and potatoes, 462 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,119 and that is the fact that doctor Loftus is a 463 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,599 hired gun. She's being paid for this testimony, and the 464 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,480 prosecution is attempting to drive the point all the way home. 465 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:45,759 The prosecutor asks her how much he gets paid, and 466 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,400 the witness replies that she makes six hundred dollars an 467 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,319 hour for her testimony. Now, remember these girls that were 468 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,640 being abused by Epstein and Maxwell, they were given two hundred, 469 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,160 three hundred dollars for them being abused. That's ether her 470 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,400 four hundred or three hundred dollars less than this specialist 471 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:16,640 is getting for her testimony. Talk about absolutely gross. She 472 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,079 has then asked how much money she has made from 473 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,559 her testimony over her career and if it is in 474 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:25,240 the millions of dollars. The witness responds that she isn't 475 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,240 sure how much she has made throughout her lifetime. Then 476 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,240 the prosecutor frames the then and the now by asking 477 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,279 her how much she charged when she first started in 478 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,559 nineteen seventy seventy five. To this, she responds that she 479 00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:45,240 did it for free. Now, this is again framing then 480 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,039 and now when she started it was for free. She's 481 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,200 trying to build her profile and become an expert in 482 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,200 her field. Well, now flash forward all these years later. 483 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,039 She's a hired gun and doing it for money. And 484 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,920 it certainly doesn't look like she has any interest in 485 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,640 doing it for the state ever. I mean, I'm sure 486 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:14,079 the state's not paying six hundred dollars an hour. Prosecution 487 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,079 asks the witness about how she markets herself and if 488 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:20,480 testifying helps with that. She answers that she doesn't market 489 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,240 herself at all, but that is obviously a bit of 490 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,519 a reach considering the list of people she has testified for, 491 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,039 and the prosecutor brings that up as well when she 492 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,160 asks if she ever gives a list of the cases 493 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,200 she worked a resume to the defense attorneys. She responds 494 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,079 that she does, and again it shows right, this is 495 00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:46,240 all about building her profile. She's going to testify at 496 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,240 Harvey Weinstein's case because she knows the next time one 497 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,640 of these sickos gets caught literally with their pants down, 498 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,039 she's going to make six hundred bucks an hour. Again, 499 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,279 after the prosecutors drop a Harvey Wine Einstein mom asking 500 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,200 her if she testified on his behalf, there's a long 501 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:09,240 pause by Judge Nathan and then we don't hear any 502 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,720 more about Harvey Weinstein after that. As far as what 503 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,119 came out of the court today, we might hear some 504 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,400 of it later on, maybe somebody will talk about it, 505 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,319 but as far as I know, they completely left that 506 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:26,319 question hanging and they moved on. When prosecution then asked 507 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,640 her if she treats victims of traumatic events, and she 508 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,119 once again confirmed that she did not. The prosecutor then 509 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880 asked her about the Bugs Bunny study. This was a 510 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,680 study where participants of this study thought that they saw 511 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,680 bugs Bunny at Disneyland, but that couldn't be possible because 512 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,720 Bugs Bunny is a Warner Brother character. So again the memory, right, 513 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,559 you could be completely convinced you have saw something, but 514 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,359 according to doctor loftis something like that even impossibility because 515 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,160 it's not even a character at this park. So that's 516 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,400 the study she's trying to use to act as a 517 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,119 bulwark to her her testimony and what she is attempting 518 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:17,160 to say happens to the memory of these survivors. The prosecutors, 519 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,039 after some back and forth, get the witness to agree 520 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,279 that sometimes some of the details about assaults, such as 521 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,799 the ones Maxwell is accused of, might get confusing, but 522 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,400 that the core details tend to be even stronger as 523 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,960 time goes on. Now, this is a huge admission from 524 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,240 what is supposed to be an expert witness on behalf 525 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:39,240 of the defense. Getting her to admit this is a 526 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,599 big deal. And the fact that she said this on 527 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,960 the stand, right under oath in front of the jury, 528 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,599 I think is going to go a long way. She's 529 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:54,400 basically working as a witness for the prosecution here. What 530 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,359 she's saying is that, Yeah, I'm a memory expert, and 531 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,000 I just gave you this whole litany of things of 532 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,799 how the memory can be screwed up. But with that 533 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,280 one stroke of genius here the prosecutor completely harpoon all 534 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,880 of it when they get her to admit that while 535 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,079 some of the outer memories, some of the you know, 536 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,800 lead ups and different things that were in the periphery 537 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,920 might get jumbled, the core memories of the trauma of 538 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,599 the abuse gets stronger as time goes by. In a 539 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:32,400 lot of cases, and they got her, meaning doctor loftis 540 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,920 the defense witness to admit that on the stand. Absolutely 541 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,079 fantastic job on behalf of the prosecutors in that case, 542 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:49,440 for sure. Prosecution then asks about studies that Loftus has 543 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,599 conducted and if any of those studies were involving girls 544 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:56,360 who were arranged to be sexually abused, and she emphatically 545 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,639 answers that she has not, once again establishing to the 546 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,559 jury that while she might be an expert in her field, 547 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,239 she most certainly is not an expert in the Galain 548 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,920 Maxwell case, the Jeffrey Epstein situation and what occurred here. Now, 549 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,440 that wrapped up the testimony from doctor Loftus, and I 550 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:21,559 thought it was the best day the prosecution has had 551 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:25,960 as far as their work since this whole thing started. Now, 552 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,800 obviously I believe that Annie's testimony was a hammer strike 553 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,360 against the defense, but I think that the prosecution had 554 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:40,880 a fantastic day to day. The next witness that is 555 00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:44,400 then called is a man named Michael William as Narren, 556 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,880 and he works for the Customs and Border Protection Bureau. 557 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,239 Now this is relatively short because they run out of time, 558 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,239 but Maxwell's lawyers. They begin by asking him to do 559 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,079 a search for Jane Kate and Annie Farmer's border crossing records, 560 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,960 and he goes into all of that, you know, looks 561 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,960 at some of the evidence, and then tells them that, yes, 562 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,960 this happened, they did cross blah blah blah. But for me, 563 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,320 what I thought was a little odd is that they're 564 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,360 bringing up these flight record type things or crossing into 565 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,920 the country when we know on Jeffrey Epstein's planes, the 566 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,199 pilots did a lax, terrible job of keeping track who 567 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,840 was on those planes, and it's very secretive on private 568 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,320 jets in the first place. Now I know that Annie 569 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,599 and these talking about the commercial flights that they were on. 570 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:41,639 That's what they're talking about here, I'm guessing, but I 571 00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:43,760 think it's a little weird for the defense to even 572 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,840 bring that up, considering how much interest there was around 573 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,239 those flight logs at the beginning of this trial. After 574 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,880 some more of this, the prosecutors then asked the witness 575 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,079 a few questions about the differences as far as entry 576 00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,440 into the United States in the wake of nine to 577 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,079 eleven and how that compared to previously before nine to 578 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:12,039 eleven happened. So what they're trying to establish, I guess 579 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:16,159 is that these girls were flying commercially. Sometimes I'm not 580 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,440 too sure again what the defense is up to here, 581 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,000 but it certainly looks like they're going to be running 582 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:28,840 out of time. They say that tomorrow, maybe Monday, will 583 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:34,639 be the last day of their defense, and it's looking 584 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,000 like tomorrow might be the last day of their defense. 585 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:42,760 So no thirty five witnesses I could see here, only 586 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,159 several today, and I'm guessing several more tomorrow. Right now. 587 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,519 On the defense list witness list, we have someone named Eva, 588 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,320 maybe Eva Dubin boy that would be something someone named Michelle, 589 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:59,559 and somebody named Kelly. So that is the witness list 590 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:04,159 as we know, oh tomorrow, And if they do finish 591 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,679 up their defense tomorrow, like they say they probably will, 592 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:11,760 then that'll move into Monday and we'll be looking at, 593 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,679 you know, the charging conference and then sentencing. So the 594 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,960 jurors look like they might be up against a hard 595 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,320 holiday here as far as Christmas goes with the way 596 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,599 all of this has fallen into place. So we'll definitely 597 00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:28,559 see what happens tomorrow. But I think it was a 598 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,920 good day for the prosecution today, folks, and I think 599 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:38,400 that Loftis, the memory expert, didn't do what the defense 600 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,079 hope that she would do, at least from what I'm 601 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,519 getting from the day so far, the notes that I've seen, 602 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:48,440 the tweets that I've seen, the different transcripts that are 603 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,679 coming out, it definitely looks like Loftis wasn't a great 604 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,320 witness for them. And at the same time, it looks 605 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,280 like the prosecution got the defense witness to go along 606 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,920 with some of the commentary that they were pushing, and 607 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,920 that's never a good thing on the stand. So we'll 608 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,239 see what tomorrow brings. We'll see what sort of witnesses 609 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,559 are brought up. And we're getting into the home stretch here, folks, 610 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,760 we are getting into the home stretch, and hopefully before 611 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:28,599 Christmas we got ourselves the jury's decision, we get the 612 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,719 the whole thing wrapped up, and hopefully when it's all 613 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,119 said and done, not only do we get the jury's decision, 614 00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:43,199 but it comes back as convictions. If you'd like to 615 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,519 contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at 616 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:49,920 ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bb Y c ap You 617 00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:54,079 c CI at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find 618 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:58,880 me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore c ap you c 619 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:03,440 CI all right, everybody, I will be back tomorrow morning, 620 00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:07,400 same time, and we'll start the process all over again. 621 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,320 I hope that all of you have a great night.