Speaker 1: Weird things, weird, weird, weird, those different experiences and that
Speaker 1: like if I was that infinite ball of energy, I
Speaker 1: would want to experience everything possible by throwing myself into
Speaker 1: billions of different entities, you know, and having continuous different experience.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a paradox to think about from a
Speaker 2: human perspective, right, Like, you know, because then I think
Speaker 2: about this perfect being and I'm like, why would you
Speaker 2: do this? Why would you do this? But then it's
Speaker 2: like but I also kind of get it because it's like.
Speaker 3: Why not, right, It's like if you didn't do this,
Speaker 3: then just what nothing ever happens ever, and there's no
Speaker 3: purpose or point to anything.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of you know there, Yes, literally it's gray.
Speaker 3: It's nothing. It's more interesting this way, infinitely infinitely more interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's you know, like yeah, the gray, the in between everything.
Speaker 3: No hot, no cold, no good, no bad, no nothing,
Speaker 3: no hungry, no full.
Speaker 2: It's it's above my pay grade.
Speaker 3: Think about when you're freaking hungry for twenty four hours,
Speaker 3: you do a twenty four hour fast, or let's just
Speaker 3: say you go a day and you don't get to
Speaker 3: eat for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you freaking eat.
Speaker 3: It's like the best thing that's ever happen It's kind
Speaker 3: of nice. Yes, it's like the best thing that's ever
Speaker 3: happened to you. Yeah, it's like the good stuff is
Speaker 3: infinitely better when you had to go through something difficult
Speaker 3: to get to it, right, it's infinitely more rewarding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's how I like to think. It makes sense,
Speaker 2: like God being like, Okay, I'm perfect, I'm omniscient whatever,
Speaker 2: But like what if I actually went down there and
Speaker 2: like tested.
Speaker 3: Myself, Yeah, saw what it was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like just to see, yeah, I'm back stronger.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's over my pay grade to understand it.
Speaker 2: But in Genesis, the serpent or nahash in Hebrew represents
Speaker 2: the emerging self consciousness and intellectual principle within humanity. This
Speaker 2: symbol reflects the inward life principle that awakens as the
Speaker 2: monad becomes aware of itself as an individual or a
Speaker 2: self conscious being. The serpent embodies the nascent self hood
Speaker 2: and the mental faculties introduced by the elohem which bring
Speaker 2: the monad into mental life and self awareness. So that's
Speaker 2: that's pretty powerful. I'm gonna read one more part again,
Speaker 2: this symbol being the serpent reflects the inward life principle
Speaker 2: that awakens as the monad becomes aware of itself as
Speaker 2: an individual. Think about that. The whole big crux of
Speaker 2: all of these wisdom traditions, the whole point of all
Speaker 2: of it, the whole point of their secret mystery initiations
Speaker 2: spanning thousands and thousands of years, was trying to reveal
Speaker 2: to the initiates there's another world. You're asleep. You have
Speaker 2: to be awake and understand the duality. It's like you're
Speaker 2: in material world, but there's a whole spiritual existence. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's talking about the symbol of the serpent
Speaker 2: being that in word principle, the kundalini as it rises
Speaker 2: up our spine as we become awakened beings. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: that's pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very much so. It's symbolic. It's what everything is
Speaker 3: all about. It's like the only true purpose of us
Speaker 3: being here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting in the Secret Teaching of all
Speaker 2: ages when they talk about like the trials and tribulations
Speaker 2: that the initiates of these ancient societies would go through,
Speaker 2: like you know, the druids, the Eleusinianies, the temples of Mithra,
Speaker 2: of APIs, the Bowl of Osiris, of Tamus, of Nimrod,
Speaker 2: of all of these different societies, they would virtually do
Speaker 2: the same things. And it's that they would simulate. Oh
Speaker 2: and the Freemasons do this and their rituals. It's a
Speaker 2: little different because it's modern times, but they simulate spiritual
Speaker 2: concepts in a kind of like shocking and sometimes traumatizing
Speaker 2: or horrifying way to the initiate. So like the longer
Speaker 2: the initiate would go on this path and prove to
Speaker 2: their I guess you could say, you know, master or whatever,
Speaker 2: that they're worthy to learn the knowledge. Then they would
Speaker 2: be tested, and like in ancient Greece, they would put
Speaker 2: them through. Sometimes it would be labyrinths. Yeah, sometimes it
Speaker 2: would be the druids would take them out deep into
Speaker 2: the forest and they would have all the other like
Speaker 2: high level initiates in on it, and they would set
Speaker 2: up these simulations, and like they would wear costumes and
Speaker 2: sometimes they would like, you know, oh, you're in hell,
Speaker 2: you who enter here, and like horrify them. And sometimes
Speaker 2: they would lay traps and dangerous obstacles. Then they would
Speaker 2: have to survive.
Speaker 3: This is how spartans are raised.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was like this six years old.
Speaker 3: They steal them away and throw them into the tundra, right,
Speaker 3: and they have to just survive. And they would lay
Speaker 3: traps for them and.
Speaker 2: People would die. Yeah, going through these initiations. And if
Speaker 2: you reveal any of this, then we're gonna kill you.
Speaker 2: We're gonna ice you seriously. They would kill them, like literally.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 2: That's why in the Freemason Oath it says, you know,
Speaker 2: if you reveal the secrets, they'll slit you up in
Speaker 2: with the sword. Yeah, it's ancient tradition.
Speaker 4: No one takes anything seriously anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here we are just giving it all away, we're just
Speaker 2: pirrating it.
Speaker 3: But listen, I'm gonna go out and say this that
Speaker 3: when we're finally done with Bledsoe said, so we're gonna
Speaker 3: cut our guts open on camera.
Speaker 4: Well, no, we can't be done not condone that behavior, right,
Speaker 4: we actively condemned that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, at least in modern times. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 2: of cool to read about them doing it back then. Sure,
Speaker 2: you know. And and the reason they would do this though,
Speaker 2: is because think about it, man, the church, The church
Speaker 2: you know, mainly was in power for thousands of years
Speaker 2: throughout Europe and the world, right, yeah, which you know
Speaker 2: that was kind of like I guess back then it
Speaker 2: was you know, America went around, you know, so it
Speaker 2: was over there where they were all neighbors, and.
Speaker 3: They got to Japan. Did you watch Shogun?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Crazy, and they just
Speaker 2: like any different idea to their faith, they were killing it.
Speaker 2: It was heretical. They were literally waging war against it.
Speaker 2: So these ancient societies knew that they were constantly under
Speaker 2: threat of death, so they were testing their initiates to
Speaker 2: the highest level to make sure that they were like
Speaker 2: worthy to hold these secrets and never reveal them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like pretty.
Speaker 2: It's it's honestly bad ass, but like.
Speaker 4: It's not very different than God Abraham to kill his son.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right. And oh, the odentic mysteries,
Speaker 2: they had all kinds of initiations and rites odin you know,
Speaker 2: oh okay, yeah, and it's it's just it's crazy to
Speaker 2: think about like they would they would, uh, they would
Speaker 2: personify the mysteries of you know, hades or hell or
Speaker 2: like the perils of what happens to the soul if
Speaker 2: it doesn't become enlightened, and just like, you know, shock
Speaker 2: the hell out of these people. It's it's really cool
Speaker 2: to read about. But yeah, anyway, moving on from that,
Speaker 2: the devil's influence is threefold, according to the theosophic perspective
Speaker 2: of you know, the creation and Gardener of Eden story,
Speaker 2: involving mental, emotional, and physical temptations. First, the temporary union
Speaker 2: of opposite polarities and man and woman creates a sense
Speaker 2: of returning to the unipolarized consciousness of the monad, offering
Speaker 2: mental felicity. Second, emotional fulfillment arises from the expression of
Speaker 2: love and desire. That's what talking about earlier. So it's
Speaker 2: like we incarnate here with these sexual urges and that's
Speaker 2: like the curse, right. But then it's like, but you
Speaker 2: can use it for good. You can use it for love,
Speaker 2: yes you can. You can use it in a in
Speaker 2: a pure and in a like you know, like an
Speaker 2: innocent way. Like it says it was related to this
Speaker 2: in the in the text that I read, it was
Speaker 2: like Jesus said, in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven,
Speaker 2: you have to be pure as a child and I've
Speaker 2: always thought about that, Like I never thought about it
Speaker 2: like that, like to to that, you know, in this
Speaker 2: sexual way. I never thought about it like that. But
Speaker 2: the theosophical perspective related it to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because again it's it's something of nature and if
Speaker 3: you give it a positive meaning, then it's a positive
Speaker 3: It's not evil, not at all like the church, which
Speaker 3: is wild. Yes, because the church that very much does
Speaker 3: want you to believe that like.
Speaker 2: Sex is evil and completely oppress it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there are like extremist groups that like
Speaker 3: even in marriage that are like sex is only procreation
Speaker 3: and that's it. Yeah, that's it. And it's like okay man,
Speaker 3: like it's a pretty beautiful thing, like it's it is
Speaker 3: one of the most beautiful things about Okay, I heard
Speaker 3: like a base like a slap base line when you
Speaker 3: said that.
Speaker 2: No, but that's that's real stuff, man, That's that's it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I it can both be it can simultaneously be truly
Speaker 3: one of the most beautiful things in life, and unfortunately
Speaker 3: it could be abuse, abused and bastardized, and it can
Speaker 3: be one of the most horrific things.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, it's like weaponized by modern society.
Speaker 3: Yes, like literally absolutely.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 2: Anyway, yes, So it's it's just fascinating. And also you
Speaker 2: could see why this could be considered you know, like
Speaker 2: taboo they're talking about this, But I mean, really, it's like,
Speaker 2: come on, we incarnate here with certain physiology, certain spiritual, intellectual,
Speaker 2: mental impulses. Everybody's the same in in that in the
Speaker 2: sense that you know, we we all have these thoughts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're born with them, right, That's what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say, Like, and you know.
Speaker 3: It's just another test, It's just another test of this
Speaker 3: material realm, right, that's all it is.
Speaker 2: So it says that, oh yeah, because I was saying
Speaker 2: the expression of love and desire.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Third, because we're talking about the threefold temptation of the
Speaker 2: devil according to the creation story, right, the serpent. Third,
Speaker 2: physical procreation induces pleasurable sensations. Really this three.
Speaker 3: Wow? Really? I always wondered.
Speaker 2: You're telling me now for the first time, This threefold
Speaker 2: experience mental, emotional, and physical lures the monad ego into
Speaker 2: embracing the phase of existence, the involutionary process and myth
Speaker 2: of original sin. So I didn't understand what evolutionary meant
Speaker 2: and I had to look it up and it makes.
Speaker 3: Sense in word evolution kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Oh well kind of. But it's also like it and
Speaker 2: it's not a de evolution, but it's like making things
Speaker 2: more complicated and tangled up. So think about it. The
Speaker 2: involutionary process perfect god right, Yeah, involutes down into material reality.
Speaker 2: Now it's evolving again. It willfully involutes down to this
Speaker 2: fucked up place by choice, by free will. Like it's
Speaker 2: going to be a hell of a ride. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna forget when I get there, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: eight million other people, you know. But that's what they're
Speaker 2: talking about when they say involution in mathematical terms. It
Speaker 2: has something to do with like spirals and like, you know,
Speaker 2: things like tangling up. So it's it's making things more complicated,
Speaker 2: making processes more complicated by choice.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm thinking of that guy at work that makes
Speaker 4: everything more complicated than it has to be. You can
Speaker 4: go on Monday be like you're a true involutionary.
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like it does.
Speaker 3: This is this is really interesting. The formal definition of
Speaker 3: evolution is the process of involving or complicating right, or
Speaker 3: the state of being involved or complicated. But then the
Speaker 3: mathematic the mathematical definition is a function, transformation, or operator
Speaker 3: that is equal to its inverse. That's pretty crazy as
Speaker 3: of so below. I mean, yeah, true, that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Again though, it's that light evil path of Kabala. It's
Speaker 2: like descending down and then ascending back up. It's like
Speaker 2: we we It's like you could look at it as
Speaker 2: a metaphor, like maybe we really are Lucifer in the
Speaker 2: sense that you know, we were this perfect angel of
Speaker 2: Life's just thinking about it as a story, right, literally, yeah,
Speaker 2: not literally, you know, maybe we were this you know,
Speaker 2: perfect angel of light, and then we got big headed
Speaker 2: and we're like, you know, oh my God, I can
Speaker 2: do this. I can be you know, even more powerful
Speaker 2: or whatever. We fall down into material reality and now
Speaker 2: we're Jesus or Christ or you could even say we're Buddha.
Speaker 2: We're ascending back up through like the humble path, through
Speaker 2: learning the lessons, through the suffering. Okay, there, now, how
Speaker 2: can I like not suffer anymore and go back home? Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's the whole esoteric view. In a nutshell, the
Speaker 2: descent into matter, guided by the Satanic hierarchy is a
Speaker 2: natural process rather than a challenge fault of a tragic fault.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the Satanic hierarchy in a minute
Speaker 2: and what they mean by that, because it's an allegory.
Speaker 2: While it brings suffering in challenges, it is not the
Speaker 2: result of a moral failing, but an essential step in
Speaker 2: the evolution of consciousness. The notion of original sin, as
Speaker 2: interpreted in orthodox theology, is rejected in theosophy. Instead, the
Speaker 2: so called sin is viewed as a necessary phase in
Speaker 2: the journey toward mastery over the creative forces of nature. Again,
Speaker 2: it's that tantric theme, right, that we can subdue our impulses,
Speaker 2: or like they say in alchemy, when you see these
Speaker 2: ancient Renaissance descriptions of like an alchemist and he has
Speaker 2: this sword and it has the ruby on top symbolizing
Speaker 2: the philosopher's stone, and across the bladis at azof it's
Speaker 2: showing that he's mastered nature, he's become a god, he's
Speaker 2: become a mortal, but he subdued the flesh right the
Speaker 2: devil as a force for liberation. A lifeus Levi, I
Speaker 2: thought this one was interesting. I don't know how I
Speaker 2: feel about a life as Levi, but I figured I
Speaker 2: wouldn't omit it a lifus Levi in the History of
Speaker 2: Magic describes Satan not as a black god, but as
Speaker 2: the negation of deity, a force created with a good
Speaker 2: purpose that can be applied to both good and evil.
Speaker 2: In this view of the devil is not a personified being,
Speaker 2: but a force that offers the potential for liberty, challenging
Speaker 2: the soul to rise above matter and realize its divine potential.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: So again, I'm just going to keep going, and then
Speaker 2: I'm going to explain what I think that means. The
Speaker 2: monad and human individualization, having journey through the subhuman forms,
Speaker 2: reaches the human kingdom, a key objective in its evolution.
Speaker 2: This stage is known as individualization, where a spark of
Speaker 2: the monad becomes a distinct human ego, where we become
Speaker 2: I am so and so, I'm a different thing, I'm
Speaker 2: a different being, right. This process involves the development of
Speaker 2: self conscious thought and self realization. Another aspect of this
Speaker 2: hierarchy involves the monad ego inhabiting an emotional body to
Speaker 2: experience sexual desire. This descent culminates in a physical body,
Speaker 2: where the life force manifests through human love, desire, and procreation.
Speaker 2: So again it's saying here that the the whatever entities,
Speaker 2: whatever thought forms, are causing us to descend into material reality.
Speaker 2: It's us in a much higher way, right, And we
Speaker 2: know that it's going to be trials, that it's going
Speaker 2: to be suffering, that it's going to be painful, but
Speaker 2: we're like, but it's a part of our journey. We're
Speaker 2: gonna do it anyway. We're gonna go down and descend.
Speaker 2: The idea here is that over time, the humans of
Speaker 2: the world, creating all their different mythologies, have soonified Satan.
Speaker 3: Yet you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: This is not saying, you know, worship Satan or any
Speaker 2: of that dark show. That's not what this is saying,
Speaker 2: not at all. What it is saying is that it
Speaker 2: does not believe that the actual idea of a personified
Speaker 2: dark force, a singular dark force, exists, but actually that
Speaker 2: it's men, that it's man, that it's people, that it's
Speaker 2: dark magicians who abuse you know, the the the powers
Speaker 2: that we have inherently a spiritual beings descending from God. Right.
Speaker 2: The whole version of Atlantis, according to them, is that
Speaker 2: you know, it was it was black magicians who fucked
Speaker 2: everything up for us, you know, abusing their spiritual power.
Speaker 2: And I like that idea, Like, even before reading Theosophy,
Speaker 2: I've kind of thought, you know, I really don't think
Speaker 2: it makes sense for there to be a single personified
Speaker 2: dark force, right, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't if we don't think about like God
Speaker 3: as a singular higher entity, singular entity than like why
Speaker 3: would why would I.
Speaker 2: Think of God as literally everything?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, but the Christian view is like, but the Devil's everywhere?
Speaker 2: Is it? Or is it just a part of our
Speaker 2: nature experiencing suffering being here in material reality, you know,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's like it's like again, it's like black
Speaker 2: and white, yan and Yang, Like we come here as
Speaker 2: beings that have the potential for good and evil. It's
Speaker 2: not to us, you know, to make that choice to
Speaker 2: be good, but we have we have that other polarity
Speaker 2: inside of us. Everybody has the capability to do bad,
Speaker 2: just like they have the capability to do good. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: And I almost feel like because I believe so much
Speaker 2: in like the I don't know what you would call it,
Speaker 2: like the the fact that the universe is a sacred
Speaker 2: creation of God or you know whatever, this higher forces.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it doesn't make sense for there
Speaker 2: to be some like really highly you know, ultra powerful
Speaker 2: deity just like in control of everything. Like I really
Speaker 2: feel like if there are these negative entities that exist,
Speaker 2: perhaps they've been created by us.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I was gonna say that, I was gonna say
Speaker 3: the same thing. It's like the dark forces is the
Speaker 3: evils of men. But that is not to say that
Speaker 3: those evils don't carry energy of their own or exist
Speaker 3: even exactly. Yeah, like like from that evil energy that
Speaker 3: is inherent in men, and it's like possible in all
Speaker 3: men could emerge dark spirits.
Speaker 2: In the same sense that there have been good wisdom
Speaker 2: traditions throughout the time, like you know, protecting this knowledge.
Speaker 2: There have been bad ones. Yeah, there have been dark ones.
Speaker 2: And I believe that, you know a lot of these
Speaker 2: very ancient bloodline groups are responsible for like programming a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff into humanity and like giving power
Speaker 2: to these ego gorees. It's just the agenda that's being
Speaker 2: pushed as far as UFOs and the alien story. It's negative.
Speaker 2: It's we have no evidence that it's positive. We have
Speaker 2: no evidence that it's good, and it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's they're pushing the envelope on this negative story. I
Speaker 2: mean literally just the other day there was like breaking
Speaker 2: information and I'll tell you later. I don't feel like
Speaker 2: it's worth my energy to even you know, acknowledge who
Speaker 2: on the show. But it's negative shit, bro, and these
Speaker 2: people in power are always creating this negative stuff. I
Speaker 2: just I really have a hard time believing that like
Speaker 2: some Satanic entity was like you're trapped here forever and
Speaker 2: you're in hell, you know, kind of like the Gnostic
Speaker 2: way or you know, even like you know, other traditions.
Speaker 2: I tend to think that, you know, the negative force
Speaker 2: that exists are thought forms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are absolute.
Speaker 2: I think there is a negative resonance to to, you know,
Speaker 2: the idea of Satan and the idea of the devil,
Speaker 2: because it's been charged with a specific meaning an idea
Speaker 2: for thousands of years. So I would not you know,
Speaker 2: recommend people go plan with that kind of idea, but
Speaker 2: I think it's important to maybe consider the idea that
Speaker 2: you know, we have sovereignty.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean, Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 2: Prisoners to some evil deity, right, maybe we are a
Speaker 2: part of God, and we did choose to come here, yeah,
Speaker 2: with the suffering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's ultimately our decision. And if you decide
Speaker 3: to meddle with the darker side of things like there
Speaker 3: there will be consequence.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think about like a kyber crystal and how
Speaker 3: it can be tainted by the intent of the holder.
Speaker 3: You know, it can be turned dark red like evil,
Speaker 3: by the intent of the user. It's like a sacred thing,
Speaker 3: a sacred light bringing thing, and it can be corrupted
Speaker 3: by the dark intent of the holder.
Speaker 4: Is there any record of it going the other way?
Speaker 4: Or is once it's corrupted you because of red?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way they describe it is. And actually I
Speaker 3: didn't watch The Acolyte, but because I heard it was
Speaker 3: I but they actually, for the first time ever, showed
Speaker 3: a kyber crystal being bled and it's actually like you're
Speaker 3: bleeding it, like you're you're like sucking the good energy
Speaker 3: out of it, like permanently you're bleeding it of all
Speaker 3: of it's like positive energy. Well, I have two.
Speaker 2: Two red.
Speaker 3: One's red, one's green.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, I don't know which one is. In Merry Christmas,
Speaker 2: I think of red and green.
Speaker 3: I always think of Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they got me at the thing. I think
Speaker 2: I told this story already. Very I don't remember as
Speaker 2: a kid was red.
Speaker 4: I never I've never seen Star Wars at the time,
Speaker 4: and I got a red lightsaber.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is sick.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, then we're in the thing making the lightsaber
Speaker 4: and they're like, in your mind's eye, what color is it?
Speaker 4: Like I had everybody closing their eyes in the room.
Speaker 2: Like they were real into it. It was kind of cool,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, whatever, I've paid for the
Speaker 2: experience just to get into it.
Speaker 4: And then I just like went back and saw my
Speaker 4: childhood self, like it's gotta be red. So I picked
Speaker 4: the red one, and then then I regretted it, and
Speaker 4: so I went to the thing and got a green one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because when it's all unveiled, everybody just looks at
Speaker 3: you holding the red lightsabers like this guy.
Speaker 2: Actually, it was like everybody in there was red.
Speaker 3: Really, it was a Sith meet up.
Speaker 2: That sucks, man, straight up.
Speaker 3: A I think there was like one blue.
Speaker 2: And two greens. Got our light bar colors?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I'm Mace Windu.
Speaker 2: You got red on the bar though?
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't see that.
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever, I got a little bit more on genesis here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get through it and
Speaker 2: then we'll switch to revelations. But yeah, So the lo
Speaker 2: Heeman case, the monad and a mental body creating a
Speaker 2: strong sense of individuality marked by egoism and selfishness, personified
Speaker 2: by the figure of the devil. So again, it's like
Speaker 2: these higher spiritual entities came here and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: splits into different individual beings and over time it's been
Speaker 2: personified as the devil. Right, that's the idea. This represents
Speaker 2: this separation and the ego driven aspects of human nature.
Speaker 2: Let me say like this, This is I think an
Speaker 2: easier way to summarize this because this is a big
Speaker 2: challenge for me, Like how do I make sure that
Speaker 2: people understand what I mean here when I start talking
Speaker 2: about the devil and all that, because I am by
Speaker 2: no means into that. I'm just talking symbolism. If I
Speaker 2: could put it as simple as possible, I would think
Speaker 2: that what's being stated by these wisdom traditions is that
Speaker 2: the ego is the devil. If there is a devil,
Speaker 2: it's the ego. That is inherent in all of us.
Speaker 2: Every single one of these wisdom or secret mystery traditions
Speaker 2: have these same principles and the same path, which is
Speaker 2: becoming in life and through the subduing of your ego.
Speaker 2: Kill the ego, yes, yeah, or rather overcome it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So do you think it's that this is I'm asking
Speaker 4: your personal opinion? Do you think it is that the
Speaker 4: ego in its entirety is the bad thing? Or do
Speaker 4: you think it's because the ego is responsible for all
Speaker 4: of the bad doings?
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, man, how could I know the answer?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I don't think that it's
Speaker 2: you know, I'm asking your ego is bad, then we're
Speaker 2: all bad?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm asking your opinion, Like, where what do you think?
Speaker 2: I think that just like you know, you boot up
Speaker 2: a computer and it has an operating system and it
Speaker 2: has certain rules that it follows to function. I think
Speaker 2: that the human experience is the same way, and everybody
Speaker 2: comes here with an ego, and everybody has the challenge
Speaker 2: of ah dissolving it to be more you know, loving,
Speaker 2: or more humble or you know, all the good qualities, right,
Speaker 2: I don't think like it's I think you can be
Speaker 2: the person you are and be great and even more
Speaker 2: when you overcome your ego. Because I've had this conversation
Speaker 2: with other people where they're like, well, you know, the
Speaker 2: ego is a good thing and it's responsible for you know,
Speaker 2: getting you this and that and the other. And it's like,
Speaker 2: I mean not really, because the ego is responsible for
Speaker 2: certain qualities, like you know, like it's it's hard to
Speaker 2: say on the spot, but it's like the.
Speaker 4: First thing that comes to my mind is being successful
Speaker 4: in the material realm. Like I think that, like being
Speaker 4: really good at doing something or a marketable skill is
Speaker 4: like an ego driven thing.
Speaker 2: But I think you can do that without an ego.
Speaker 2: You can do that with intelligence and intuition and wisdom,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I don't think that's
Speaker 2: just because of the ego, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: When I think of the ego, I think of like me,
Speaker 2: like selfishness, it's like arrogance, like pride, like you know,
Speaker 2: the impulses to do the things that are self serving,
Speaker 2: beneficial for me and not those around me, and helpful
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: But what's interesting is it's to what you think is
Speaker 3: you right right. It's I feel I look at the
Speaker 3: ego as the tether to the material world. It's like
Speaker 3: the thing that tethers your spirits and your idea of you. Yes,
Speaker 3: your idea, this liked fake thing that you've made up,
Speaker 3: that this is me, the thoughts that I have is me.
Speaker 3: Like that, it's the tether to the material world. And
Speaker 3: the point of killing it or overcoming it is like
Speaker 3: it's the lightning bulb path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awakening past the ego.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you came down here materialized. Your ego is your
Speaker 3: tether to the material world. But the goal is ultimately
Speaker 3: to ascend back to that original consciousness, that primordial you know,
Speaker 3: love and light. And you do that by overcoming the ego.
Speaker 3: So if you can do that within your lifetime, you
Speaker 3: get a taste of returning to that consciousness, to that.
Speaker 2: Light, I think you can be even more successful, more driven,
Speaker 2: more everything. Like I think that people think about it wrong.
Speaker 2: It's not like, okay, you know, now my life's boring
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA. Like I think I think you
Speaker 2: become who you really are supposed to be when you
Speaker 2: overcome the ego. I think you put it in a
Speaker 2: great way. It's like it's your attachment to the material,
Speaker 2: but also your attachment to it's like they say in
Speaker 2: theosophic terms, like you're your your delusional understanding of who
Speaker 2: you are in reality. Yes, from the ego, it's delusion.
Speaker 2: It's living in delusion, having you know, the ego.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that delusion is the ego that it's the tether,
Speaker 3: it's the it's the thing that lets you walk around
Speaker 3: in this material world and think you're doing something. Thank you,
Speaker 3: Really I'm doing something. Man, I got this badass new
Speaker 3: job and make all his money, you know whatever, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: But it's like that's not even you. Like, the thing
Speaker 3: that's walking around doing all that stuff is not even
Speaker 3: actually you. That's the ego that you're living in the
Speaker 3: delusion of the ego and subservience too. Absolutely, and that's
Speaker 3: not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think anybody should be offended by that,
Speaker 2: because here's the big secret. We all are born with this. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just like we're all born with the potential to do
Speaker 2: good and to do bad. We all came from the
Speaker 2: same place and we all live in the same place,
Speaker 2: and we're all trying to get back to the same place.
Speaker 2: We have the same challenges, we have the same obstacles.
Speaker 2: They might manifest differently. Yeah, but I'm just saying we're
Speaker 2: on an even playing field here. And you know, then
Speaker 2: you could say, well, no, we're not, because people are
Speaker 2: born with disabilities and people are born with X, Y
Speaker 2: Z other disadvantages, and you know what, You're right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I can't possibly understand that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that everybody lives within the ego. I
Speaker 3: think even human beings who have reached enlightenment still at
Speaker 3: times live within their ego telling a joke. That's interesting
Speaker 3: you say that telling a joke is living in your ego,
Speaker 3: because why would a why would an enlightened spirit being
Speaker 3: tell a joke?
Speaker 2: This talks about like what what we're getting into now.
Speaker 2: It talks about that spiritual uh symbol of the serpent,
Speaker 2: you know, being like Kundalini, it's going up your spine
Speaker 2: or whatever. Right, that's that energy in us that we
Speaker 2: can transmute to higher potential. It talks about it being
Speaker 2: undulating like a wave. And I think that that's pretty profound. Like,
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think I think it's not
Speaker 2: a straightforward path necessarily but it is kind of like
Speaker 2: a spiral path, like we're we're we're still going up,
Speaker 2: but maybe you stumble a little bit, maybe you're back
Speaker 2: in your old ways. That's that's why I say this
Speaker 2: a lot on the show. It's not about being perfect.
Speaker 2: Just keep fucking going, Just keep trying, like you're not
Speaker 2: just gonna wake up and be like I'll never sin again. No, no,
Speaker 2: you know, might running off the road, you motherfucker.
Speaker 3: As long as you are, alright, a human being, you're
Speaker 3: gonna you're gonna act like a human being from time
Speaker 3: to time at very least.
Speaker 2: It's like what you said, it's your intention to do good.
Speaker 2: It's it's that kernel of intention. That's actually what it
Speaker 2: says in Theosophy. We talked about it on the on
Speaker 2: the the Ageless Wisdom episode, they talk about like I
Speaker 2: think it was the first or second great initiation of
Speaker 2: the soul. It's like, you know, the ascended masters up
Speaker 2: in the realms above, they're like, oh, look, this soul
Speaker 2: has the kernel of the intention to do good. Let's
Speaker 2: help them now, Yeah that intention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we said that at one point recently, Like I
Speaker 3: think being a good person is the intention and the
Speaker 3: desire to be a good person. It's not doing good
Speaker 3: all of the time. I agree, it's the intention that matters.
Speaker 2: I fully agree. All right, let me see I already
Speaker 2: saw this part. Another aspect of this hierarchy involves, Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: let me skip one more. I'm sorry. The devil serpentine form. Wow,
Speaker 2: I was just talking about this. The devil serpentine form
Speaker 2: symbolizes the undulatory nature of generative power in both nature
Speaker 2: and humans. The serpent's role in the allegory of Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve's temptation represents the allure from innocence to sexual experience,
Speaker 2: mirroring the undulating current of life force which has veiled
Speaker 2: in esoteric symbology like Kundalini. So before we came here,
Speaker 2: we were completely impurely innocent, spiritual beings. We didn't need
Speaker 2: to physically pro create. We were free from these ego
Speaker 2: attachments of you know, pleasure and lust and greed and
Speaker 2: all these things that we know can suffer with if
Speaker 2: it's abused and out of balance and mortal life. And
Speaker 2: we said, okay, we're going to go down there and
Speaker 2: experience that, you know, good luck, you know, keep going,
Speaker 2: you know, the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Speaker 2: in the Garden of Eden symbolizes the versal life force
Speaker 2: imbued with intelligence. It represents cosmic electricity or the primordial
Speaker 2: faux hat. I'm not sure what faux hat is, but
Speaker 2: that's what it says, so I read it the fundamental
Speaker 2: energy present in all matter. The tree's roots reach into
Speaker 2: pre cosmic space, the undifferentiated substance, while it's trunk and
Speaker 2: bodies divine generative power focused into the cosmos. This tree
Speaker 2: parallels the cosmic and esoteric structures like solar systems, planetary
Speaker 2: schemes of various life forms. This tree resembles symbols such
Speaker 2: as the letter shin which is I think it's a
Speaker 2: Hebrew word, I mean letter, The cadusis of Hermes, and
Speaker 2: the Hindu Ida, Pingala and Sushumna. Ancient traditions like the
Speaker 2: Norse egdrasill to Hindu and Buddhist world trees, echoing the
Speaker 2: symbolism of interconnected cosmic and life forces. Often associated with
Speaker 2: the Tree of Life, The serpent or the dragon guards it,
Speaker 2: representing both the allure of wisdom and the potential misuse
Speaker 2: of power and eaten. The serpent's role as the temptation
Speaker 2: which symbolizes the transition from innocence to the complexity of
Speaker 2: knowledge and experience and Kabbalism or Kabbala. The tree symbolizes
Speaker 2: the macrocosm and the microcosm, revealing cosmic processes and human
Speaker 2: relationships with the universe. The Garden of Eden, with its symbolism,
Speaker 2: represents the dynamic interplay between primordial spirit and matter, with
Speaker 2: Eve as the cosmic substance atam Is the creative spirit
Speaker 2: and the tree as their generative connection. The trunk of
Speaker 2: the tree represents the spinal column in cord. Its branches
Speaker 2: are the body's nerves, while the flowers correspond to chakras
Speaker 2: or the life force centers and their associated nerve centers
Speaker 2: and glands like the pineal, the pituitary, the indocrine system,
Speaker 2: the thaumus, the testes. That pause was so, just think
Speaker 2: about it if I was gonna say it or not.
Speaker 3: I was like, and it's the root, yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Root chakra, or maybe it's the sacral. But the fruit
Speaker 2: symbolized oh, and the ovaries. The fruit symbolized the outcomes
Speaker 2: of the evil lutionary process and the capacity of individuals
Speaker 2: to channel and express the prime evil life force through
Speaker 2: various levels of consciousness and physical aspects. In nature, these
Speaker 2: fruits are the diverse forms of life continually produced. When
Speaker 2: humans engage in procreation, they symbolically partake in the fruit
Speaker 2: of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The
Speaker 2: biblical command against this act, whereas in Genesis two seventeen
Speaker 2: says you know you'll be cursed to die, this might
Speaker 2: conceal deeper esoteric wisdom, which in symbolic terms, death refers
Speaker 2: to the spiritual deadness or a loss of higher awareness.
Speaker 2: It is not talking about the physical death that people
Speaker 2: think that it meant, not physical demise. Yet, the excessive
Speaker 2: indulgence of these material desires can lead to a temporary
Speaker 2: loss of spiritual insight, reflecting the idea that if misused,
Speaker 2: it can have negative outcomes that we have to be
Speaker 2: in balance and moderation. In the Garden of Eden Adam.
Speaker 2: Adam represents the early passion free androgynous humans right, meaning
Speaker 2: that they didn't exist in the duality of the physical reality.
Speaker 2: They were purely spiritual beings outside of the need for
Speaker 2: any sort of procreation or whatever. Yeah, the state of
Speaker 2: innocence persists from birth until puberty. The garden itself symbolizes
Speaker 2: the human body with Adam and Eve embodying the dual
Speaker 2: creative energies, and the Tree of Life representing the spinal
Speaker 2: cord in the brain. The Tree of Life with his
Speaker 2: trunk symbolizing the spinal cord, channels the vital electrical energy.
Speaker 2: During procreation. This energy moves downwards to the generative organs.
Speaker 2: When sublimated, which is like tantra. Through spiritual practice, it
Speaker 2: can be redirected upwards towards the brain, enhancing spiritual awareness
Speaker 2: and unity with the divine source, like she talks about
Speaker 2: with you know, supernatural humans, sages of the past. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: through tantra.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a really cool description of tantra.
Speaker 2: Sublimation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the shifting of the energy to Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 3: that's really cool.
Speaker 2: Secret of initiation. It involves the successful redirection of this
Speaker 2: life force, making the initiative spiritually immortal or awaken like
Speaker 2: a god. The power can be constructive or destructive, so
Speaker 2: it's uses guarded with the mystical traditions allegories like the
Speaker 2: Command and Eden concealed deeper teachings about this power. The
Speaker 2: transition from Eden represents human puberty symbolically and metaphorically, symbolizing
Speaker 2: the loss of innocence. Full spiritual redemption or ascension into
Speaker 2: a depth ship is achieved by transcending materialism and sensuality,
Speaker 2: akin to the symbolic bondage narratives in the Old Testament,
Speaker 2: such as Israelites in Egypt or Samson's imprisonment. So let's
Speaker 2: get it straight here for a second. And I want
Speaker 2: to acknowledge this. It's talking a lot about sex.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Genesis is largely about sex, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And my idea about this is that it's it's really
Speaker 2: I think this is true for everything, right, Like let's
Speaker 2: say you know you like gambling. It's fine, it gives
Speaker 2: you a sensation, right, but you just you can't stop,
Speaker 2: and you're addicted to it and you're like enslaved by itsulure. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, you got a problem. And I think that's
Speaker 2: true for every uh, you could say vice. Like from
Speaker 2: the Gnostic perspective, it's like, we come here with seven
Speaker 2: egoic attachments, which are understood as these seven deadly sins,
Speaker 2: which I always can't name off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, lust, pride, greed, wrath, fury, sloth,
Speaker 2: and envy. I did it?
Speaker 3: You did it? I did it? You know. I think
Speaker 3: isn't gluttony one of them? Or did you say that?
Speaker 2: Did I say that?
Speaker 3: Maybe? I think maybe.
Speaker 2: Lust, pride, greed, sloth, gluttony, envy, and fury wrath. You know,
Speaker 2: I think that these are the seven generic problems that
Speaker 2: exist for everybody. Yes, absolutely, I just think that there's
Speaker 2: something a little bit more special about like maybe you know,
Speaker 2: the sexual forest or the creative forest or whatever, because
Speaker 2: like it literally has the occult power to create life,
Speaker 2: Like it is literally mirroring the act of you know,
Speaker 2: primortal energies coming together in creating life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be seen as divine in that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I think that maybe there's like great
Speaker 2: emphasis in the ancient past of them being like, you know,
Speaker 2: treat this carefully, you know that, don't don't abuse this power? Right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's interesting nonetheless to read about. Yeah, because your palms
Speaker 2: will get hairy or something like that. You're in time out,
Speaker 2: You're you're in time definitely in time out.
Speaker 3: Bro, your palms didn't get hairy in time out?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm almost done with Genesis. People believe it. Wow,
Speaker 2: The Tree of Life symbolizes both the creative intellect and
Speaker 2: the responsive nature of matter. In advanced evolution, its sap
Speaker 2: represents the generative life force of the human mind. The
Speaker 2: tree embodies human consciousness, while the serpent signifies that undulatory,
Speaker 2: formative cosmic force. Right, it's the primordial force coiled around
Speaker 2: the tree, symbolizing the act of creative power, just like
Speaker 2: the Kundalini serpents around our spine, right, Or like Moses
Speaker 2: has a brass staff and there's a spine coiled around
Speaker 2: the staff. The caduces, Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did I say spine?
Speaker 2: I meant the serpent is around the staff. The same
Speaker 2: with Hermes cadusis you know, it's serpents entwined around his
Speaker 2: wand or his staff. It's obviously important symbolism here when depicted.
Speaker 2: Sometimes a single serpent or two serpents flanking the tree
Speaker 2: illustrate the dynamic currents of this energy.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Their expulsion from Eden is the loss of innocence, the
Speaker 2: temporary dormancy of the life force after procreation. This signifies
Speaker 2: the transition from pristine purity to evolutionary development and self
Speaker 2: unfoldment awakening Advanced enlightenment, evolution the Cherubim represent a hierarchy
Speaker 2: associated with a positive life force. They are akin to
Speaker 2: celestial scribes responsible for initiating and directing primordial forces and
Speaker 2: esoteric terms. Esoteric and esoteric terms. They help manage the
Speaker 2: flow of cosmic electricity, symbolized by the swastika, which actually
Speaker 2: people might not know this, but that's a very ancient
Speaker 2: Hindu symbolist the sun.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh it's the sun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know why. I thought it was like
Speaker 3: the symbol of like love or something like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Nazi stole it and turned it bad. But it's
Speaker 2: a really old symbol.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thousands and thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Old, So I wanted to hit this part again. And
Speaker 2: esoteric philosophy, the Satanic hierarchy, personified by the devil or serpent,
Speaker 2: includes intelligences or elohem that guide the monad into physical bodies.
Speaker 2: This process is essential for the monad's incarnation. Right. Monads
Speaker 2: are the pure spirit. Virtual beings face significant limitations and
Speaker 2: loss of purity when entering matter. This descent involves self limitation,
Speaker 2: physical embodiment, and the experience of separation and sexual impulses
Speaker 2: which are foreign and appealing to their innate universal consciousness.
Speaker 2: Despite their hesitation, the monads are drawn into matter by
Speaker 2: law of polarity, an interplay of attraction and repulsion, which
Speaker 2: is very interesting. This cosmic struggle reflects the conflict between
Speaker 2: spirit and matter, which is symbolized by the war in
Speaker 2: Heaven Revelations twelve and seven. Right, then, this is my
Speaker 2: last little bit on genesis. Here, the journey through matter
Speaker 2: represents a struggle to align the outer self with the
Speaker 2: inner spirit. The spiritual battle is depicted in various mythologies
Speaker 2: like Saint George slaying the dragon in the Labors of
Speaker 2: Hercules or thor all of these heroic archetypes. They are
Speaker 2: showing you the the awakening of the triumph over material reality.
Speaker 3: Interesting that for thought a giant serpent and Marduk, that's
Speaker 3: that's really interesting in Hercules. Yeah, it's like hydra, it's
Speaker 3: like conquering that Kundalini energy. Like that's pretty wild symbolism.
Speaker 2: There's a famous I'll pull it up real quick.
Speaker 3: It could be seen as like like we were talking
Speaker 3: about that sexual like Kundalini tantric energy, Like it could
Speaker 3: be seen as fighting that to to ensure that your
Speaker 3: intentions are pure, you know, because it could be a
Speaker 3: dark thing like it could be.
Speaker 2: It's not saying that sex is evil, not at all,
Speaker 2: which is really you know, good to hear it. It's not
Speaker 2: saying that, it's saying like, you must be in control.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2: You must be in control of all of your urges. Yes,
Speaker 2: but but this one has consequences. This is a I'm
Speaker 2: not sure this is from fifteen sixty seven. Oh, it's Paracelsus.
Speaker 2: That's even better. He's like one of the most famous
Speaker 2: alchemists of all time. This is a depiction of Paracelsus.
Speaker 2: All right. He's holding a sword and it's got this
Speaker 2: little stone on top, and written on the stone is Azoth,
Speaker 2: which in alchemical camera I can try, but written I
Speaker 2: mean anyway, Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. Azof in
Speaker 2: alchemical terms is uh. It's like that universal life force.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, they were showing you like I've
Speaker 2: achieved ays off, I've subdued mortal existence. I've awakened it's
Speaker 2: al chemical terms for you know, being an enlightened master.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if this will really appear on
Speaker 2: the camera, but it's yeah, Paracelsus, very interesting guy. He's
Speaker 2: like one of the most prominent alchemical philosophers in all
Speaker 2: of history. And right here on his sword, is it
Speaker 2: visible on the camera at all?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, Right here on.
Speaker 2: The sword it says Azoth, which is their terminology, which
Speaker 2: is interesting because in World of Warcraft the realm is Azarov.
Speaker 3: Hmm. But anyway, so Azof is like the primordial infinite consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the life force. It's like chi or
Speaker 2: prana or the force.
Speaker 3: Right. Cool?
Speaker 2: Cool, Yeah, like I've mastered this force.
Speaker 3: That's really cool by overcoming those primal urges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, awakening, becoming a spiritual man. Right, how do you
Speaker 2: want to do this? Do you still want to jump
Speaker 2: right into it? Or do you want to take a
Speaker 2: short little break.
Speaker 3: We could take a little break if you want. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we could do that. I do. I do think it's
Speaker 3: really interesting, like thinking about Genesis. Thinking back on Genesis
Speaker 3: is like, I didn't remember it being so much about sex,
Speaker 3: but it really, it really is the whole thing. I
Speaker 3: mean you think about it, it's it's like.
Speaker 2: A lot of the Bible is yeah, true.
Speaker 3: It's it's like obviously the creation story, but then you
Speaker 3: have Adam and Eve. But then you also have Abraham
Speaker 3: and Sammy Hagar and and Lot and his daughters, and
Speaker 3: like the line of Abraham, it's like all a lot
Speaker 3: of it is about sex, and a lot of it
Speaker 3: is like the symbolism I It wouldn't have occurred to
Speaker 3: me until we broke it down bit by bit and
Speaker 3: like look deeper into the esoteric meaning of these things
Speaker 3: and cross referenced it across different Eastern Western beliefs. Right,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's.
Speaker 2: Eye opening, man.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: Honestly, bro, I know you're busy, but I really think
Speaker 2: you would like the Secret Teaching of all ages. And
Speaker 2: you can borrow my physical copy if you want. It
Speaker 2: is it is not what you think. It's it is
Speaker 2: what you think, but it's not. It's not some boring,
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen hundred text, dude. It's it's it's from
Speaker 2: the perspective of a guy like me and you, who's
Speaker 2: like this shit is so interesting, you know, oh my god,
Speaker 2: and they did this and they did this. It's it's
Speaker 2: packed full of information once you get past the like
Speaker 2: the preface or whatever. Many years ago, when I started
Speaker 2: this book, probably seven years ago, I couldn't even get
Speaker 2: past the preface, and I was less mature then, and
Speaker 2: also I had just moved out of my own for
Speaker 2: the first time, and I had a lot on my plate.
Speaker 2: But this time I picked it up again and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna skip the preface, forget it. I
Speaker 2: just want to read the material. Started with the introduction,
Speaker 2: and I was hooked, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: The entire introduction of this book, at least the copy
Speaker 2: I have on Kindle, I'm sure it's the same everywhere else.
Speaker 2: The entire introduction is like the entire history of like
Speaker 2: the Greek philosophers and how they like changed started first
Speaker 2: of all, and then like evolved philosophy. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: chapter one is like, Okay, now you know about philosophy
Speaker 2: and that history. Now we're gonna talk about the esoteric shit.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: So, like it's really interesting, like he almost goes chronological
Speaker 2: a little bit like that, like with these traditions and
Speaker 2: how old they are and the way he like links
Speaker 2: them and like compares their symbolism. It's it's mind blowing.
Speaker 3: I'd love to read it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you can bor it if you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds fast because I have it on Kindle.
Speaker 3: Sweet yeah, no, it sounds fascinating. I'm totally down to
Speaker 3: read it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but and you know, basically, maybe we could take
Speaker 2: a short break and then we could do some revelations.
Speaker 3: Yeah sounds good. It sounds like a revelation. Hey, guys,
Speaker 3: we just came back from our little break and we
Speaker 3: realized that we went two hours talked about Genesis and
Speaker 3: we didn't plan on that. So rather than just going
Speaker 3: straight into revelation, we're gonna We're gonna do it as
Speaker 3: a completely separate episode and give it its own episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more time to uh look into the end of
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: And hopefully it's also all about sex.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that it is at all.
Speaker 3: I didn't think that Genesis was all about sex, but
Speaker 3: I'm learning today, so maybe it is. Maybe the dragon.
Speaker 2: It's about a little bit more, but it is a
Speaker 2: lot about that. But yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm honestly really relieved, because that's why I brought it
Speaker 2: up to you all before. I was like, you know this,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a long one.
Speaker 3: I kind of knew, Well it was honestly like super fascinating,
Speaker 3: So I'm glad that we went this long about Genesis
Speaker 3: and like really dove deep on this symbolism and shit
Speaker 3: behind it. Yeah, that was sick.
Speaker 2: Revelation will be fun. I think we will give it
Speaker 2: a proper burial, like we will really just you know,
Speaker 2: go all the way in.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go really hard on it because that's like
Speaker 3: maybe my favorite book of the Bible too. It's so sick.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cool. And also check out patreon dot
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Speaker 3: The OMI Society. I love that. And you get the
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Speaker 2: You know what else we haven't acknowledged on the show
Speaker 2: at all? What subscribers. Oh yeah, like YouTube subscribers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you just had a little milestone hit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we hit a huge milestone twenty k.
Speaker 2: That's honestly insane. Man, really that is insane because that's like,
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you put all those people together, it would
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Speaker 2: That's humbling.
Speaker 3: It is so thank you all so much for watching
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Speaker 2: I'm at a loss. I mean, I just I feel
Speaker 2: like I just want to revelations. But you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to wait till next time.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to wait. It's gonna beautiful. So tune in, dude.
Speaker 2: It next side for revelations with the Bloods those Zidzu
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