WEBVTT 1 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.719 Hey, folks, welcome to a very special episode of the 2 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:48.840 Projection Booth. No easy way of saying this, but I 3 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:53.479 recently learned of the passing recently of Stuart Feedback Andrews. 4 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:55.880 He was our co host on the Adventures of Ford 5 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:59.039 fairlay in episode, but more than that, he was a 6 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.840 friend of mine. I don't remember how or where I 7 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:06.959 met Stuart. Despite what some listeners may think, my memory, 8 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.280 especially about myself, is rubbish. I'm sure I share a 9 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.280 mutual friend who must have introduced us, as I have 10 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:19.560 luckily a lot of friends up in Toronto. When I 11 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.840 met Stuart, he was still the host of the Roomboorg 12 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.840 radio podcast. I know we had talked via email before 13 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.680 we met him person. I'm pretty sure I met him 14 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:34.439 in probably December twenty ten for a weekend where I 15 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.159 was coming up to Toronto promoting my book and possibly 16 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:43.120 Funky at Cashier's to Sinemark Collection. And for anyone who 17 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.040 gets pissed off that I call it my book, it's 18 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.519 not just me. There are a lot of other authors 19 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:52.599 who wrote for that book as well, but I was 20 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:54.560 the one that kind of brought it all together. I 21 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.359 was the founder of the zine so That's why I 22 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.560 usually call it my book, so gees if you get 23 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.719 bent out of shape that there are actually other writers there, 24 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:09.039 including my friends Scauz Sizzek, who wrote about John Pays's 25 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.759 Crime Wave and in Toronto, I was there for a 26 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:17.599 screening of Pays's Crime Wave at the Toronto Underground Cinema 27 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:21.159 and if I remember right, we had a dinner setup 28 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.360 before the screening, including mister Pays. That was great seeing 29 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.159 him and I can't remember if I was actually late 30 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:34.719 or threatened to be late because of Stuart, because Stuart 31 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.759 would talk, and as evidenced by this show, so can I. 32 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:44.400 We got together that day in December twenty ten at 33 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:48.400 the Room Org Radio studio. I was kind of creepy 34 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.800 in there. There was no one around. It was a Saturday. 35 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:54.879 He showed me around a little bit and then we 36 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.080 sat down to talk about the book and mostly about 37 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:04.879 Quentin Tarantina. And we talked for gosh, at least four hours, 38 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:06.240 if not more, and it was. 39 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.000 So easy to talk with him. 40 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:14.240 Now that episode of Rumork Radio never came out. Yeah, 41 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.960 I was really trying to promote the book. Thought an 42 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:20.080 episode on Rumork Radio would really be a good shot 43 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.080 in the arm. But yeah, it never happened, and me 44 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.800 like a dope, I went back again to the studio 45 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.560 on another trip to Toronto. For some reason, I keep 46 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.120 thinking it's my trip in twenty seventeen when I went 47 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:37.080 up there to see Morris Brestinsky and a couple other 48 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:40.439 podcast friends. But I don't think it was. I think 49 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.879 it must have been earlier. Whenever it was. I sat 50 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:48.120 down with Stewart again for at least another five hours, 51 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:52.000 where we discussed, of all things Colombo. I was kind 52 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.919 of the precursor of The Shabby Detective. We went through 53 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:00.319 all of the NBC years, episode by episode, just kind 54 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.960 of hashing out how much at least I love Colombo, 55 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.080 and I'm pretty sure he did as well, Otherwise he 56 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:10.439 probably wouldn't have stuck in for gosh, probably another five 57 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:16.319 hours of us talking and again never aired. I'm not 58 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:20.120 sure if they even got edited though. Speaking of editing, 59 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.120 Stuart was very inspirational when it came to editing. I 60 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.839 loved how in his room work podcasts he would do 61 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:34.360 dropping sound clips, trailers, songs as the episode went along, 62 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.879 just kind of bringing the references to life or kind 63 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.959 of enhancing things. So I always dog that well. I 64 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:46.600 will admit Stuart was a little bit of an odd bird. 65 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.920 I remember him complaining that Roomwork was kicking him off 66 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.600 the air, that they were taking all the episodes down. 67 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.959 Gave me a lot of details about that, and I 68 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.800 don't really want to get into too much here, but 69 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.199 I don't really want to make any new enemies at 70 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.240 the moment. And I don't know why he didn't have 71 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.800 backups of all of his shows and just publish them 72 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:14.360 someplace else, or at least had them available to download someplace, 73 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.560 or maybe he just didn't care. It was kind of 74 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.959 a kind of a weird pattern of almost self sabotage 75 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.240 with him. And then he had done a radio show 76 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:30.439 on CKLN FM eighty eight point one, and I remember 77 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:34.040 even going to the studio there with him, either that 78 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.240 first time I met him or another time. And that 79 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.720 show that he did their Cinephobia Radio. He turned that 80 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.720 into a podcast as well. And I'll admit that I 81 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.439 sometimes have a hard time keeping Cinophobia and Romorg Radio 82 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:52.959 straight in my head, as Stuart was such a strong 83 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.000 personality and they just both kind of seemed like one show. 84 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.360 He had a real interesting use of language. He already 85 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:07.000 had his English accent. I think it was liverpudleyan Scouse accent, 86 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.480 but he emphasized those melodic tones in his voice, with 87 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.959 his vocabulary that brought in bits of like nadsat, like 88 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.279 slushy well little Drew Gee's and rather than Choedes, he 89 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:25.720 would say Chones and would double down on this with insinophobia, 90 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.920 with things like the Attack of the Chones episode. I 91 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.800 was enjoyed listening to his shows, despite some of the 92 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:37.680 dramatics and behind the scenes drama that would bleed through 93 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:40.920 the episodes. I remember it took a long time before 94 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:46.319 I could tolerate Stuart's co host, Lance Chance Lance, though 95 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.160 I ended up meeting Lance in person once and he 96 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:53.279 was actually really decent, very funny, and very nice to me, 97 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:56.560 and I kind of wonder if he was just supposed 98 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:58.839 to be super obnoxious on the air, or if that 99 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:03.480 is just the personality that came out once he was 100 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.160 in front of a microphone. I met Lance at one 101 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:09.439 of the two Fan Expo events that I was invited to, 102 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.920 and that's where I moderated Q and A sessions one 103 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:18.079 year for Orlando Jones and Danny Trejo two separate sessions, 104 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.920 and the next for Christopher Lloyd and who do I 105 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.519 have to thank for that gig? Mister Stuart Feedback Andrews. 106 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:29.240 He really looked out for me. He especially did in 107 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.120 twenty thirteen because he was responsible for connecting me with 108 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.759 the person who figured out that Leanne Spider Baby McDougall 109 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:41.360 was a serial plagiarist just like her then boyfriend Quentin Tarantino. 110 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:46.040 Stuart gave me just enough information and forwarded me enough 111 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.839 emails for me to do the piecing together of the 112 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:52.759 evidence that Paul And is it okay that I finally 113 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:54.879 say that was Paul Krup who did all the hard 114 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:58.839 work before that. Anyway, it's been twelve years. I also 115 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.720 wanted to give credit to Paul, and I felt bad 116 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:05.680 being something of the public face of the unmasking of 117 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.000 that scandal, But I was far enough away from it 118 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.680 and had my reputation, I suppose of being a little 119 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.399 bit of a burr under Tarantino's butt to maintain. So 120 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:18.480 it was kind of perfect for me to be the 121 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:23.240 mouthpiece for all of that. Back in twenty fifteen, Stuart 122 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:28.240 latched onto a story about Tarantino's buddy Eli Roth. Twenty 123 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.560 fifteen was an interesting year. For Roth as he had 124 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.919 his cannibal movie Green Inferno, that had a US theatrical 125 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.039 run that started September twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, though it 126 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:44.000 had played at the Toronto Film Festival back in twenty thirteen. 127 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.440 And he also had the remake of Death Game called 128 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:51.720 Knock Knock coming out October ninth, twenty fifteen, like two 129 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:56.039 weeks later, and I remember being reached out to and 130 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:59.519 asked if I could please give Knock Knock ten stars 131 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.480 on I am and what I felt like was a 132 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:07.399 very weird marketing effort. And I know I was definitely 133 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.279 going to the IMDb page for Knock Knock as I 134 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:13.480 was trying to correct the credits as there were no 135 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.440 mentions of it being a remake or based on a 136 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.759 previous script. Though if you want to find out more 137 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:21.320 about that, I would ask that people listen to our 138 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.639 two Death Game episodes and find out more about the 139 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:29.519 writers and the antecedents for Death Game as well. Anyway, 140 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.080 there was another marketing plan going on for Green Inferno 141 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.639 that was a fakepetition on change dot org. Anybody remember 142 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.559 that that was trying to ban the film, and Stewart 143 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.720 took to the air along with journalist Dave Pace to 144 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.960 debunk the petition and take the piss out of the 145 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.120 already pissed off people who were outraged by the petition, 146 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:57.360 not knowing of its spurious origin. You can read a 147 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.799 lot about that over on I Think Bleeding Cool. I'll 148 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:01.960 definitely have a link. 149 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:02.679 In the show notes. 150 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.200 So while I was listening to the two parter that 151 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:12.240 Stuart put out of Senophobia Radio called jungle Gate, and 152 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:14.200 I also thought there was going to be more to it. 153 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:18.720 I also was waiting for a third part. Anyway, while 154 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.399 I was listening to it, I just got this bug 155 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.279 to make it a little bit better than what Stuart 156 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.960 had put out. Those breaks that I was talking about before, 157 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.919 he would put in long, long breaks in there, just 158 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.039 longer and longer. And I can't remember if it was 159 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:45.159 Howard Zenn or Marsha McCluin, just were talking forever and regardless. 160 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.720 When I listened to that two parter, I listened to 161 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.480 it a second time in audacity and just started chopping. 162 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.240 I made the two episodes into one, and I think 163 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.840 I made the two episodes into one stronger episode. I 164 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.320 don't know what came over me, but I shared that 165 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.080 with Stuart, and he rightly bit my head off. He 166 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.600 didn't like what I had done at all. Though I 167 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.000 still stand by my cut. I still think it's better 168 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.519 than what ended up coming out. Going back to the 169 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.120 idea of Stuart's digital footprint as a worker, there are 170 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:25.639 fifty episodes of the room Board Radio podcast from twenty 171 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:29.440 eleven to twenty twelve listed on Apple Podcasts, but none 172 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:34.080 of the files seemed to be there. His Cinephobia episodes, meanwhile, 173 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.720 are also in really short supply. I did my best 174 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:42.399 to try and even find out how many episodes he did. 175 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.639 I think it was around thirty five, but this was 176 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:49.399 over a long period of time, maybe as long as 177 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.440 from twenty seven to twenty twenty five, but I don't 178 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:54.919 think so. I don't think he was doing podcasts for 179 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:56.639 the last few years, and I'll tell you why in 180 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:00.919 a few minutes here. Yeah, it's very clear, and just 181 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:04.600 a handful of those survived once he got into the 182 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:08.399 Velvet Buzzsaw series that he did. I think those were 183 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.799 the last five podcasts that he did. I thought it 184 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.279 was about the Jake Jillenhall movie, and I was just like, 185 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.519 why are you dedicating five episodes to this Netflix film, 186 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:26.360 but it ended up being something else entirely. Yeah, but regardless, 187 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.679 if people have collected those episodes or just have downloaded 188 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.039 individual episodes that they can send, please just send them 189 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.799 along to me. I want to start an archive. I'm 190 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.159 through all of the ones that I could find in 191 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:42.960 a drop box. I'll share that link as well. It's 192 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.120 just I'm afraid that they're going to disappear too. All 193 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:51.120 the removal of episodes and recordings and things never released. 194 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.440 Sometimes it felt like he was being sabotaged by room Moorg, 195 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.639 but then other times it felt like self sabotage too. 196 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:02.600 Stude had a real parent streak and it really came 197 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:06.360 out in spades after the election of Donald Trump, but 198 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:10.639 really moreover after the start of the COVID pandemic back 199 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:14.279 in twenty twenty. Though he wouldn't call it COVID, he 200 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:17.679 would say that COVID is the disease. It's actually the 201 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:21.360 syrus blah blah blah blah blah pandemic. He felt that 202 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.600 was very important to tell me. We talked a few 203 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:29.200 times after the pandemic started. I was still friends with 204 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:32.559 him on Facebook up until at least December of twenty 205 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.039 twenty two. I really had to put all of his 206 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:40.399 posts on ignore, and yeah, it was kind of sad 207 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.519 because I could just see him getting more and more unhinged. 208 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.200 I'm sure we all have friends that or acquaintances at 209 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.360 least that this has happened to. It's very, very sad 210 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:51.679 for me. 211 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:53.000 You know. 212 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:56.279 The worst part is Stuart always had to be right 213 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.960 about everything that he thought, and that everyone was entire 214 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:04.919 to his opinion. I don't know where he fell off 215 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:10.279 or even if he would identify as an anti vaxer. 216 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:14.279 His Twitter feed, though, is filled with things like calling 217 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:20.399 Anthony Fauci a modern Mangola, throwing around terms like Maderna Gate. 218 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.519 He did like the Gate stuff when it came to Scandal's. 219 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:27.600 Right wing media and influencers had been blaming the scale 220 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:31.559 of wildfire destruction in Los Angeles on diversity, equity and 221 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:32.759 inclusion efforts. 222 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.120 Suffice to say, I just kind of had to cut 223 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.879 him out of my life, but I doubt he really 224 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.240 even noticed or cared. Frankly, the last time I heard 225 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:47.919 from Stuart was December twenty twenty two, when he told 226 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:51.320 me this quote. I live in Niagara, I work in 227 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.840 medical cannabis and manage the building where I live twelve units. 228 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:59.799 I also produced the movie Psycho Gorman, which requires constant attention. 229 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:02.399 And I know I've threatened this before, but I am 230 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.919 resurrecting my old podcast, going through some of this stuff 231 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.639 as part of the process. But this time it's not 232 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:11.000 going to be nice and cuddly like it was before. 233 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:14.759 This time it will be weaponized. And then he concluded 234 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:18.919 our conversation with this, I'm retiring at seventy seven and 235 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.960 will completely remove myself from all public platforms. I will 236 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:27.399 die at eighty three. That's the plan. Well, unfortunately the 237 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:31.600 plan didn't work out. Stuart passed away at fifty seven 238 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:36.360 years old on November twenty third, twenty twenty five. I 239 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.039 don't know how he passed, but I hope it was peaceful. 240 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.159 It was only after hearing that he went that I 241 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:46.360 learned that Stuart Andrews isn't actually his real name. Stuart 242 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.279 went under that Noaum de guerre, as well as having 243 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:53.840 another Facebook profile under the name Daniel Stuart Morton, but 244 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:58.559 the listing for his cremation has him as Andrew Stuart Morton. 245 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:03.200 Whatever his name, he made quite an impact on my 246 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.279 life and I appreciate all he did for me as 247 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.919 well as the horror community. He sure did love to 248 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.320 stir up shit, and I so like that about him. 249 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.519 He is definitely going to be missed, so as a 250 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.720 tribute of sorts and something that would make him just 251 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.240 incredibly pissed off as well. I'm actually going to share 252 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.000 that episode that I put together of his two part 253 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.360 jungle Gate so that people can hear him at his best. 254 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.759 I would say, please enjoy, but instead I'll take a 255 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.360 page out of his book and say, slushy well, Little 256 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.039 Drew Geese, slushy well. 257 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.879 The following feature is one of the most violent films 258 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.399 ever made. There are at least two dozen scenes of 259 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.960 barbaric torture and sadistic cruelty graphically shown. 260 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.600 If the presentation of disgusting. 261 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.919 And impulsive subject matter upsets you, please do not view 262 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.919 this film. 263 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:03.120 Beautiful Dream. 264 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:10.839 Peru is dangerous. We can't just go invade a country 265 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.920 because they're doing something that we think is immoral. 266 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.279 I know, I just think I should be doing something 267 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.000 about the rainforest star. 268 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:20.240 Jobs. 269 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.160 It's time to make a difference. 270 00:17:27.200 --> 00:18:05.440 So why, yeah, why are they doing this? 271 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:14.119 What are they going to do to us? 272 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:20.200 Nice? 273 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:32.480 To get out of here. You know what this is, 274 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.440 you know what they're doing to us. 275 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.519 This is Stuart Feedback Andrews and you're listening to Sinophobia Radio. 276 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.960 I'm joined via Skype by ex horror journalist Dave Pace 277 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:09.599 from the now retired genre media focus blog La Politique Psychotronique, 278 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.119 and we're here with a special report on a developing 279 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.440 situation in the horror world that will forever be known 280 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:20.759 as Jungle Gates. So a couple of disclaimers before we begin. 281 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.960 First of all, neither of us have seen the film 282 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:28.480 The Green Inferno, so we're not talking about the film specifically. 283 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.119 The content of the film The Green Inferno, while not irrelevant, 284 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.279 is secondary to what we're talking about here. We're talking 285 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.000 about the marketing behind the film, the sort of characters 286 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.400 the film is being marketed to, and the disturbing undercurrents 287 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.480 within the cultural shitegeist that are being kicked up and 288 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:55.240 amplified by the publicity campaign. And secondly, yes, I realized 289 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:59.680 that talking about the film probably speaks to the effectiveness 290 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.200 of marketing campaign if the only point of it is 291 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.480 to get people talking. But that doesn't bother me because 292 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:10.319 I'm not advocating for any sort of boycott of the film. 293 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:12.640 I don't care if people see the film. In fact, 294 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.599 i'd rather them see it and bring to it some 295 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:20.079 of the critical perspectives that we're going to hopefully provide today. 296 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:20.440 Yeah. 297 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.880 Absolutely, I mean, you know, obviously we're not for banning 298 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:27.000 this film. You know, obviously we're not getting behind that. 299 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.119 That's ridiculous, right, And any petition that's out there trying 300 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:32.599 to ban the film, we don't support that either, not 301 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:39.200 at all. So don't worry, folks. We're not social justice warriors, right, 302 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:40.440 whatever that is. 303 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:42.799 I'm a local justice barbarian. 304 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.079 So first, before we go, I want to get your 305 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.680 assessment of Eli Roth as a filmmaker. How do you 306 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:50.400 rate him as a director. 307 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.599 I think he's a guy with a really great horror 308 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.559 film in him. I just don't think he's made it yet, 309 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.519 and he may not, right, but I think I think 310 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:05.000 it's possible he's enough of an efficionado of the genre 311 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.880 to be able to make something great. I think I 312 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.400 think he understands and respects it enough to know how 313 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.279 to make something great. It's just a question of I 314 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.960 don't think he's actually done that yet. He hasn't made 315 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.160 anything that has changed everything that came after. 316 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:25.039 And what do you think of the masterpiece? If only 317 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.559 in his own mind that hostile was. 318 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.839 Ah, you know, hostile. It's funny because I like the 319 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.599 premise of Hostile a lot in a way, like I 320 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.799 like the idea that you have these you know, these guys, 321 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.599 these like douchebag guys who are going to go and 322 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.480 sort of exploit this, you know, Eastern European country for 323 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.400 their own pleasures and you know, to kind of go 324 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:49.200 there for some some illicit fun and then sort of 325 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:52.759 get roped into even more illicit fun than they can 326 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.400 they could even imagine being exploited themselves. I think there's 327 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.559 an interesting political message there. I just don't think it 328 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.680 was well particularly well executed. It didn't hit the nerves 329 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:05.759 the way it should have. I think it was weak 330 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:07.839 at times. I think it was like too just too 331 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:10.920 out front with the torture porn stuff, not enough for 332 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.799 sort of ratcheting up that tension and making it scary, 333 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:17.400 not just drills through the knee cats and you know 334 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:18.200 all that business. 335 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:18.440 Right. 336 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.519 I was turning down another movie and I said, Quentin, 337 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.039 you know, I don't know if it wasn't a mistake 338 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.079 to turn down the studio film because I have this 339 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:27.960 other idea that I really kind of want to do, 340 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.119 and I told the idea for Hostile, and he's like, Eli, 341 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.279 that is the best idea I've heard for horror movie. 342 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:33.119 You've got to do that. 343 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.319 The weird thing for me with him is that each 344 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.920 one of the films that he's made so far I 345 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:43.839 felt was better than the previous one. First of all, 346 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:48.279 I hated Cavin Fever. I walked out of Hostile, largely 347 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.599 because I'm a fairly temperamental film viewer and a couple 348 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:53.680 of things will annoy me and that will be enough 349 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:55.599 to just sort of ruin the whole film for me. 350 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.359 It's a critical failing, but I recognize it. So I 351 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:01.880 went back eventually and did give it its stay in court. 352 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.359 And ironically, the stuff that I liked most about Hostele 353 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:10.200 was the stuff I missed, namely how it almost switches 354 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:15.559 genres and becomes like a hitchcock man wrongly accused suspense 355 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.640 film at the end of something. Hostile, too, I thought 356 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.519 was quite good. I enjoyed it a lot, and I 357 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.319 think one of the great things that it benefited from. 358 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:27.400 First of all, it was conceptually more interesting and had 359 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.720 a much better, more likable I guess cast in general. 360 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:36.279 And also Tarantino worked with him much more closely on 361 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.480 the development of the script, and you can really get 362 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.240 a good sense of that if you listen to the 363 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:47.440 commentary tract they both did on the DVD. Tarantino really 364 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:52.000 encouraged him to dive into the minutia of the world 365 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.960 that he was presenting, so he really guided him. So 366 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:58.519 when you're basically working with one of the greatest cinematic 367 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:03.680 dramatists of our generation, you would hope you'd benefit from that, 368 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:05.319 and Eli definitely did. 369 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.359 I had no idea the appetite was this big for 370 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:10.200 a film like this. I had no idea that this 371 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.839 many people would respond to my ideas and to my 372 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.119 political commentary, to my disgust with you know, the Bush 373 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.720 administration and shocking images coming back from Iraq and all 374 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:22.279 these fears that I have that you know, everybody else 375 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:22.680 was feeling. 376 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:22.799 It. 377 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:24.880 It was like it was in the climate and it 378 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:25.759 became part. 379 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.200 Of the culture, and I thought, you know what, I 380 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.559 really want to explore this further, and if I'm going 381 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:31.079 to do it, I have to do it right now. 382 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.680 I can't take any time off, and I thought, Okay, 383 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:35.720 instead of writing Hostile Too, I want it to be 384 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:36.160 part two. 385 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.519 There's Kill Bill Volume one and Kill Bill Volume two. 386 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.079 And I looked at Saw Too and Devil's Rejects, which 387 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:43.920 I thought were really superb horror sequels that really took 388 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:45.480 it to the next level, and I kept thinking about 389 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.480 the next level and the next level of the Factory 390 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.400 and the next level of depravity and human beings. 391 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:53.680 Following Hostle two, he did the Thanksgiving trailer for grind House, 392 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:53.960 which is. 393 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.119 Fantastic, amazing, amazing, so good. 394 00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:58.960 And then my favorite thing that he did was that 395 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:03.119 Little Black and White Nation's Pride segment the film within 396 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.880 a film in Inglorious Bastards, which Eli shot and directed. 397 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.759 Yeah, he really nailed the reconstall. I kind of look 398 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:12.160 with that. 399 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:16.599 Yeah, interesting, nicely pieced together action sequence, and I thought 400 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.480 that was one of his most technically accomplished bits, even 401 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.599 though it's embedded within another film. And I thought Eli 402 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.720 was actually quite good in the film. 403 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:27.920 Antonio, Margaret. 404 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:41.920 Cord It, Margaret Progressed, Margarii, Margheriti. Yeah, yeah, well, and 405 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.920 I mean again, how complimentary too. I mean to have 406 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.000 you know, Tarantino saying, hey, to direct the film. Within 407 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.319 the film, I want you to do that. I mean, 408 00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:52.559 obviously he sees a lot of promise in the guy. 409 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.519 You know, he sees somebody who has a lot of potential. 410 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.119 Or maybe he had a midlife crisis, man crush on him. 411 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.720 Who knows, who knows, Maybe he's got really nice feed Hi. 412 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.680 Hi'm Eli Roth, and I'm Gwinn Garentina. Welcome to our 413 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:12.839 MySpace artists on artist artist on. Wait a minute, yeah, 414 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:18.000 the artist talking with artist artist. 415 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.559 There you go. So let's talk about our assessment of 416 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:24.400 Eli the person. Now, neither of us know him personally, 417 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.279 so we can only surmise what his behavior is like 418 00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.640 from the scant encounters we've had with him. I've actually, 419 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.400 I don't know if I told you this, I've interviewed 420 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.359 him a couple of times. That's not a personal encounter, 421 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.200 as a phony, but you form impressions from that. And 422 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:45.119 also I did see him introduce the screening of Inglorious Bastards, 423 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.559 so that's my only direct experience with him, and they 424 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.240 made an impression. But for the most part, you pick 425 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.920 up little bits and pieces of things that he said publicly, 426 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.359 and you form an impression of them. I'll say that 427 00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:04.000 the good he's hard waking, energetic, enthusiastic. He's a great 428 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.359 champion of the horror genre, as you've already pointed out. Absolutely, 429 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.079 and he's a good looking man and girls seem to 430 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:10.640 like him. 431 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.319 They definitely do, and I'm sure lots of boys and 432 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:15.599 men like him as well. 433 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:23.160 The bad is incredibly conceited, brutally self congratulatory, seemingly narcissistic. 434 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:29.359 His ambition obviously outweighs his talents, and like many narcissists, 435 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:34.240 he doesn't seem to take criticism well. His politics are 436 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.720 hilariously all over the map, as we're going to talk about. 437 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.880 And finally, he's a good looking man and girls seems 438 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:41.400 to like him. 439 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.799 Yeah, fucking. 440 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:44.519 At all. 441 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:45.920 Fucking guy. 442 00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:51.039 So about the arrogance of Eli, there's a few things 443 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:54.039 that I think people started to notice when Hostile became 444 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:58.480 a big smash hit. First of all, the endless, relentless 445 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.799 Quentin Tarantin name dropping. Even in the interview I did 446 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.680 with him, he was telling me how much Quentin thinks 447 00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:12.119 he's fantastic, loves his ideas, and just his propensity towards 448 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:16.880 talking about himself. To that degree. Just really, especially if 449 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.640 you're from Liverpool, you're not supposed to do that. That's 450 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.880 where I'm from. People will rip you to pieces for 451 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.519 talking about yourself like that in the most cruel vicious 452 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.839 ways imaginable. So I know that this is a more 453 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:35.559 acceptable thing in North America, especially in like Toronto. People 454 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:40.000 do it hilariously, and you know, but if you do 455 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.599 come from a background culturally where that's frowned upon, it 456 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:48.759 becomes quite aggravating. And Eli has absolutely no sense of 457 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.440 humility about talking and pontificating on what he perceives to 458 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.200 be his great success. I find it nauseating and it's 459 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.759 hard for me not to ridicule it. 460 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.319 To have it all hit me at like thirty. 461 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:04.640 Then you come back to la and suddenly like everyone 462 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:06.400 in town wants to meet you, and you're like the 463 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:07.319 hot thing, You're the big. 464 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.799 Sale, and the festival. It's just like it was crazy. 465 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:11.559 It was a fun fucking time. 466 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:12.400 You know. 467 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.599 There's a real fine line, I think, and I guess 468 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.480 maybe it's not so fine, but there's definitely a line 469 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.839 between that sort of obnoxious, you know, self congratulatory thing 470 00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:27.359 and just enjoying your own success and being enthusiastic about 471 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:31.400 what you're doing and who you are, and that's you know, 472 00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.000 I'm I gotta be straight up. That's not an easy 473 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.119 one to walk, you know, at any juncture, that's not 474 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.200 an easy line to walk. So I don't know, I 475 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.240 kind of give him a little bit of a pass there, 476 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.119 not much, but a little bit. You know, there's a 477 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.799 there's an acceptable level of what he's doing, and then 478 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.519 there's the sort of way over the top that he 479 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.119 seems to kind of keep shooting over. 480 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.359 But okay, I'll go along with that. I think it 481 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:02.359 is an acceptable sort of area, vague area, because the 482 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:05.200 flip side of that is being too meek and full 483 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:08.279 of self doubt and too humble. You're simply going to 484 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.880 get eaten alive. But you do have to have a 485 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.119 certain amount of arrogance and a certain amount of cocksuredness swell, 486 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.240 and another thing about is arrogance. And it was a 487 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.599 personal encounter in a sense I was there at a 488 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.640 screening and it really did leave a strong impression on me, 489 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.359 and over time it really kind of undermined how I 490 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:33.400 felt about Eli. The Inglorious Bastard's premiered in Toronto, its 491 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.559 first audience was in Toronto. Tarantino and Eli came here 492 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.039 to show the film to an absolutely giddy audience who 493 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:46.079 obviously loved the movie. Tarantino left twenty minutes in. He 494 00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:47.880 had to jump on a plane and go to New 495 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.960 York for a press day the following day, and Eli 496 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.400 stuck around to do the Q and A and Richard Krause. 497 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.880 People in Toronto know Richard Krause. He's the go to guy. 498 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.920 Whenever you need anyone, He'll show up at the opening 499 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:02.680 of an envelope. 500 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.799 Essentially, Yeah, he's everywhere. 501 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.599 He's kind of like a poor man's Mark Him mode. 502 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.119 He's got like the rockabilly look going, and he's sort 503 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.839 of Canada's answer to Mark M Mode. Anyway, he was 504 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.680 there introducing Eli. He gets up and he gives them 505 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.079 quite a nice introduction. He's halfway through. It're telling you 506 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.720 who Eli is, what his history is, and Eli comes 507 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:30.759 running out from the wings, waves him down, waves him 508 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.240 to shut up, dismissing him like, oh, nobody needs to 509 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.759 hear any of that, grabs the microphone from him and 510 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.799 proceeds to take over the Q and A. And poor 511 00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.319 Richard Krause is just standing there looking completely shell shocked. 512 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:49.160 It's a humbling, humiliate, potentially humiliating experience, and Eli definitely 513 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.960 made sure it was for Richard Krause. 514 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.279 I mean, it's it's humiliating, Like you say already. You know, 515 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.519 it's difficult to get up there and in front of 516 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.279 an audience and sort of you know, houstless Q and 517 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.319 have to walk that balancing act between making this person 518 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:08.279 look good and also putting on you know, making sure 519 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.039 that the audience is getting a good experience. Right, you 520 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.920 kind of feel responsible for that, and for somebody to 521 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.880 come and to kind of steamroll you in that fashion 522 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.279 is I mean, that'd be awful. It'd be really humiliating, 523 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.720 and I've seen it happen to other people. It's pretty bad. 524 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.000 You know, it's everybody just kind of it's awkward for 525 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.359 the audience and the poorschmuck on the stage. 526 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.240 You know, you people are the worst audience I've ever seen. 527 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.599 You're the worst comedian we've ever seen. 528 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.559 Oh great, well, just sit here silently for the next 529 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:38.400 ninety minutes, fine with us. 530 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:44.079 So let's talk about Eli's inability to take criticism. I 531 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.160 think over the years we've hid many examples of him 532 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:55.119 responding to criticism in a very defensive, sometimes extremely angry way. 533 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.599 There's one particular incident somebody sent me the text of this. 534 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.079 I knew about it, but I'd never read his response 535 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.880 in Fangoria. And I think what happened is people sent 536 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.279 in letters about hostile and Eli responded, and they did 537 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.759 it within the pages of Fangoria. And he was really 538 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.119 focused on despite how much praise he was getting, it 539 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.440 was really burning him the one critical perspective given to him, 540 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.440 Like he just couldn't get past it. And this is 541 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:28.759 almost to me like a sign of narcissism, because narcissists 542 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.119 can't handle criticism. You could have like a nine hundred 543 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.000 and ninety nine people telling you you're fantastic. One person 544 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.400 says something negative and that's what they focus on. 545 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.000 It's sad, isn't it. You know, like they just can't 546 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.559 enjoy you know, they've got to focus in on that 547 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.359 totally negative trait, you know, that one voice in the wilderness. 548 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.920 You know, it's just like, man, just enjoy it. 549 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.240 He says. Letters like this one reflect a very disturbing 550 00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:02.119 trend happening in cinema today, political correctness. This person is 551 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.680 clearly out of touch with how young people in America speak. 552 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.800 If you go to any high school or college campus, 553 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.800 kids use the word gay to describe something they think 554 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:17.039 is stupid or idiotic. I am trying to write characters 555 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.199 who are real and speak the way young American people 556 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.239 actually talk to each other. Now, this next phrase, I 557 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:29.679 just love this next phrase. When someone is acting like 558 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.400 a pussy, they call that person a fag. 559 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.320 Let's get a two for insult there, right, So let's 560 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.079 make sure they understand when somebody's acting like a pussy, 561 00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:42.960 like you know what acting like a pussy is like, right, 562 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.079 I mean that's like, that's like acting like a woman. 563 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:46.199 Right. 564 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.760 But we're just calling them fags, so you know, I 565 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.719 don't see what the big deal is. I mean, everybody 566 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.960 knows that fag means pussy now, right, So I mean 567 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.000 we're just we're just in something women, We're not something 568 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.559 gay people who cares get over it. 569 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:01.199 Fuck you. 570 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:02.840 I don't know why you guys are waiting. 571 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.519 It's a fucking bagdassinder follow off, fucking fucked You need 572 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:06.800 one of. 573 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.320 These two games, brups. Sorry, so I'll just read the 574 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.199 last party. He says, if you want safe movies, that 575 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:17.599 are politically correct. Why are you reading this magazine? Why 576 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.239 not spend your time fighting politicians who try to outlaw 577 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:27.400 homosexuality instead of filmmakers who are reflecting the world they 578 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:32.199 see around them. However, Hostile clearly stayed something in this 579 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:37.000 reader and sparked a discussion, which, for a filmmaker is 580 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.000 all you can ask for. So again we have I 581 00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:47.360 think an example of Eli's inconsistency. He's almost celebrating the 582 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.800 fact that this topic is coming up and it allows 583 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.599 for a discussion, but he begins the piece by railing 584 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:55.000 against that it's coming up. 585 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.599 He doesn't want to have the discussion, right. It's like, 586 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.400 I'm so glad that people are having discussion about this. 587 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.400 I sure don't want to participate in any discussions about 588 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.320 this though, and I'm really upset that people want to 589 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:10.880 have this discussion. But it's good that they're having a discussion. 590 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.920 I don't think it's very confusing. It's very like and 591 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.840 I understand what he's saying about, like I'm reflecting the 592 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.360 times and people say gay and bag and they don't 593 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:26.280 really mean homophobic things with them. But I mean, what 594 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.840 this really underlies to me is that Eli doesn't understand 595 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.719 that that you don't get to tell the victims of 596 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.559 abusive language what your abusive language was supposed to mean, right, Like, 597 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.239 you don't get to say, well, hang on a minute. 598 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.440 You know, I understand that that hurts you as a 599 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.280 gay person, but I didn't mean it that way. So 600 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.559 you shouldn't be offended that sense that you get to 601 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.559 tell people whether they're offended or not. It's nonsense. You know, 602 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.559 people can be offended. You know, people are allowed to 603 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.320 not like people using those terms. You know, people are 604 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.440 allowed to criticize you for choosing to use these terms. 605 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.679 That's something you need to learn to accept if you're 606 00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:04.719 going to put those terms in your film, Right, is 607 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.000 that people are going to come after you for that. 608 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.679 Louis c. K has a fantastic deconstruction of the word 609 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:11.400 fag and where it comes from. 610 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:13.599 Yeah, does it bother you when he says the word faggot? 611 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.199 No, it bothers me when you say it because you 612 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:17.639 mean it. 613 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.920 Yeah, it really is like as a comedian and a 614 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.159 gay guy, you're the only gay comic I know. Do 615 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:23.960 you think I shouldn't be using that word on stage? 616 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.880 I think you should use whatever words you want and 617 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.000 when you use it on stage, I can see it's 618 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:31.320 funny and I don't care. 619 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:33.880 But are you interested to know what it might mean 620 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:34.960 to gay men? 621 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:35.800 Yeah? 622 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:36.760 I am interested. 623 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.639 Well, the word fagot really means a bundle of sticks 624 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.800 used for kindling and a fire. Now, in the Middle Ages, 625 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:45.960 when they used to burn people they thought were witches, 626 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.719 they used to burn homosexuals too, and they used to 627 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:51.280 burn the witches at a steak. But they thought the 628 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.159 homosexuals were too low and disgusting to be given a 629 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.760 stake to be burned on, so they used to just 630 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.800 throw them in with the kindling, but the other fagots. 631 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.280 So that's how you get flaming faggot. 632 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.239 So what you're saying is gay people are a good 633 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:05.280 alternative fuel source. 634 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:07.760 Should they get the term diesel dyke? 635 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:12.239 I'm sorry, go ahead. 636 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.280 You might want to know that every gay man in 637 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.280 America has probably had that word shouted at them when 638 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.480 they're being beaten up, sometimes many times, sometimes by a 639 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.760 lot of people all at once. So when you say it, 640 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:33.400 it kind of brings that all back up. But you know, 641 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.400 by all means, use it get your laughs, but you know, 642 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.360 I you know what it means. Okay, thanks fagging. We'll 643 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:40.920 keep that in mind. 644 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.079 But I feel like if somebody's acting like a fag, 645 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.599 I call them a retoug. 646 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.400 Yeah, what is it? 647 00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:56.760 Right? 648 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.639 Oh you're pussy? Oh? That because that's better, right, you know, 649 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.920 not because I want to deny anybody the right. If 650 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.199 you want to say fag or gay or pussy or 651 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.840 like whatever horrible word you want to use, that's on you. 652 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.480 But that also means that people get to like make 653 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.760 judgments about you because you use those terms. That also 654 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.679 means that people get to like criticize you for using 655 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.199 those terms, and people are going to get their feelings hurt. 656 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:28.920 And if you're not looking to hurt those people's feelings, geez, 657 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.079 you know, maybe it's incumbent upon you not to use 658 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.400 those terms anymore. It's all I'm saying, he says. 659 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.519 In another interview, he says it's funny that people always 660 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.639 assume that if there's a frat guy, it's based on me. 661 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.280 But generally the one closest to me in hostile is 662 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.639 the shy wan who's never done anything wrong, but it's 663 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.480 forced into a horrible situation. So in his mind, he's 664 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.320 not the bombastic frat boy that calls people fags because 665 00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.960 they're acting like pussies, even though that's what he said 666 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.840 he does. He's the guy who's the shy, little quiet one. 667 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.800 And I think you really get a good sense of 668 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.880 that aspect of Eli in his cameo Impurane. 669 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.840 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if there's any like, he's clearly 670 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:18.519 the shy, nice guy in that. I mean you see 671 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:23.239 that really come out in him. He's clearly channeling something there, 672 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:23.639 you know. 673 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.599 And he's been careful to cultivate that image, like his 674 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:31.079 cameo in death Proof too, Yeah, where he. 675 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:37.119 Plays again another very shy, very reserved, nerdy person respector 676 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:41.039 of women, you know, a respector of you know, all 677 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:44.920 things academic and all things about being just a shy, 678 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.039 nerdy art school guy. That's definitely when I think of that, 679 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:50.280 I think Eui row. 680 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.079 I would imagine a lot of actresses would like to 681 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:53.760 get to know you. 682 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:55.639 This would be a very good score for them to 683 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.840 have an Eli Roth who's got his name above the title. 684 00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:59.239 Right, That's that's correct. 685 00:40:59.320 --> 00:40:59.719 So what do you do? 686 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.280 How are you playing this? So you have do you 687 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:02.039 have one girlfriend? 688 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:03.079 Do you have many girlfriends? 689 00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:03.360 Well? 690 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.159 You kind of you know, I go away to Prague 691 00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.280 and make the movies and Prague, you know, there's like 692 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.159 usually I made a nice check girl, and I was 693 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.159 actually pretty well behaved. 694 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:10.719 On Hostile one. 695 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:11.880 It was kind of a frat party. 696 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:13.199 We just went berserk. 697 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:14.440 It was like extras. 698 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.079 Oh no, it was like extras, like crazy just girls 699 00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:17.639 that we met at me. 700 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:19.719 Every night we were going out in Prague and getting 701 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:21.960 phone numbers and going going insane and literally we'd be 702 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.760 shooting on set with the extras getting phone numbers and 703 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:26.239 it was nuts. 704 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:28.480 Nude casting. 705 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.800 No, it's literally like that was by the way. That 706 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.800 became the very problem was I kept getting like I 707 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:35.599 was up all night. I kept getting strep throat, and 708 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:36.880 like we'd have a two day break and I'd go 709 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.800 out with three girls in a weekend and I and 710 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:41.320 then the movie like I literally I remember I was 711 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.760 on set and I started falling asleep and they're like, Eli, 712 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.079 what's the next setup? And I woke up and I 713 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:46.920 was like, oh my god, this is actually affecting the film. 714 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:48.639 And I was like I gotta be a monk and 715 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:50.800 a completely I completely stopped cold turkey. 716 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.360 So I find him to be a slippery fish, you know, 717 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.880 And I think what was seeing lately from him is 718 00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:01.519 his politics just tend to twist in the wind or 719 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.360 blow in whatever direction the wind's going in the wake 720 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.920 of hostile And I talked to Hannah Eurotica, the editor 721 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:12.039 of Axe Wound, and I guess Eli was a big 722 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.920 supporter of that fanzine, this feminist horror fanzine, and she 723 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.039 talked about, you know, good for him and good for him. Well, 724 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:23.039 she says things like Eli is really progressive feminist views, 725 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.559 you know, and he's a real champion of feminism. And 726 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.880 of course feminists love using the phrase pussy as a 727 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:35.119 derogatory term against that against anybody exhibiting feminine characteristics. But 728 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:39.760 I'll read something that Eli said. I'll read something that 729 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:46.639 Eli said that really epitomizes his staunch advocacy of feminist values. 730 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.239 I think this section was from an arrow in the 731 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.480 head article, but I'm. 732 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.159 Not entirely sure that sounds right. 733 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:56.320 He says, I didn't hate wrong tain. I hated the 734 00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:01.599 fact that they fucking called it seventies. I hated the 735 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.159 fact that they said, look, how seventies we are, and 736 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.400 then they got a girl with fake tits. Now that's 737 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:12.039 not seventies, And they didn't even have her take her 738 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:16.639 fucking clothes off. People fucking with their clothes on in 739 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:21.000 an rated movie is nineteen ninety seven, not the seventies. 740 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.480 When you got three fucking hillbillies. Ti likes the word fucking. 741 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.599 It's really long up on this team. When you got 742 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:32.639 three fucking hillbillies who were so inbred that they fuck 743 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.719 each other. The middle guy is like, am I going 744 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.159 to fuck Gollum? Or am I going to fuck the 745 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.840 big guy? And then they have Eliza Doucecup on a 746 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.920 bed and they don't even rip her fucking clothes off. 747 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:52.320 You are fucking kidding me. That is so not fucking seventies. 748 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.199 They're crazies. They're fucking naked every five minutes, my bloody Valentine. 749 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.480 They're fucking naked every five minutes. Crazy hillbillies get a 750 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.480 hot gale, they fucking fuck her. That's what they do, 751 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.400 especially if they fuck each other. So why do you 752 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:10.599 think he's getting so angry? 753 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.960 I don't know, this is weird, Like to me, this 754 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:18.000 is one of those things that exposes some like weird, 755 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.079 deep seated stuff with this guy. You know, like he's 756 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.880 really mad about this and really like. 757 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:32.360 Like noted feminist, not in feminist Steli Rod, the guy 758 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:38.840 with really progressive values, is really really mad that more 759 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.360 women aren't getting naked, and that that's really you know, 760 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:43.480 that's what's the point. 761 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.119 Why do you have Eliza Dushku unless you get her naked? 762 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.039 What's the point of her as an actress except to 763 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:51.840 be naked to show her tits off? 764 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:52.119 Right? 765 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.800 I mean, fuck, what a waste? 766 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.440 Why did you waste anybody's time coming out to see 767 00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.800 this movie when when that's what they want, that's what 768 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.400 they're there for. You know, this is this is a 769 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.920 very progressive feminist perspective from mister E. Lrott here. 770 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.360 I'm very impressed now. 771 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:11.519 I understand his frustration with these films that pretend to 772 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:16.119 pay homage to earlier genres and they don't have the 773 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.400 naive or the guts to go as far as these 774 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:20.719 other genres did. 775 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:25.480 He's not wrong. He's just really hung up on on 776 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.559 the like sexualized aspects of it all. He's really hung 777 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.920 up unlike the I want my tits and I want 778 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.679 this like he's I don't know, he's not. He's not 779 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.239 wrong in the sense that there's definitely a lot of 780 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.960 pretenders who are trying to capture that vibe and failing. 781 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.840 But I don't think it's I don't think it's the 782 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.199 lack of tits that's hurting him. 783 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:54.039 He redeems his feminist perspective with the concluding remark. He says, 784 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.760 another thing that pisses me off is that when I 785 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.960 go see a Stan Winston movie, I don't want to 786 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.960 c CGI. I want fucking makeup. Don't tell me at 787 00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:08.239 seventies when you have fucking CGI, it's fucking insulting to me. 788 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.760 And don't set up a movie with no fucking twists. 789 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.039 I mean, come on, at least give me some twists 790 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.480 or some tits or something. You guys gotta do better 791 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:21.960 than that. I hate the fact that it was done 792 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:26.480 by smart people that I know could do better. They 793 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:30.159 fucking missed the mark. They pussied out with that movie. 794 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.199 They pussied out by showing CGI go and by hiring 795 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.840 TV actors that won't show their fucking tits in a 796 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:38.639 sex scene. 797 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.639 So again you're seeing what's important to noted feminist eliron right, 798 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.079 like this is what's really important. But capturing that sementies 799 00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.000 feel it's tits? 800 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.199 What about the CGI and Green and Finno. I haven't 801 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:54.920 seen the movie, but this is one of the big 802 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.960 complaints people had with it. It's full of CG apparently. 803 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:03.519 Well, I mean, like, this is it right, here's this 804 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:07.280 guy going back and forth. You know, Oh, he's really progressive. 805 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.159 They pussied out. I want tits, you know, and all 806 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:17.159 these these these sober sensitive SJWs. I can't believe there's 807 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.920 CGI in these movies. What a bunch of fucking bullshit, 808 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.679 you know, Like it's it's these bizarre positions he's holding right. 809 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.119 Like are they tits in the Green and Fair O? 810 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.280 Because if there aren't, I'm not going so I. 811 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.559 Will walk out. 812 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.119 I will be so fucking fucking fucking fucking pissed if 813 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.320 there's no fucking tits in the fucking movie. 814 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:39.880 I want green tits. 815 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.599 I want CGI tits for fuck's sakes. 816 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.320 Yeah, I want real prosthetic tits. I want like the 817 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.400 total recall triple tits. 818 00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.920 I got to read the concluding remark because it's just 819 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.719 too good, he says. And that's the difference between Dushkup 820 00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:02.000 and Katie Holmes. Katie Holmes gave us the boobs. You 821 00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.039 know what, if this isn't real like, if this isn't 822 00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.400 a real quote, somebody sent me this and it was 823 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.280 a link, and I'm accepting at a face value that 824 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.119 it really is an Eli quote. Maybe it's a parody 825 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:17.599 of Eli. I don't know, but let's assume, you know, 826 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.119 if I'm wrong and I've been tricked, because a lot 827 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.559 of trickery is going on, by the way, So if 828 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.519 I've fallen prey to a trick and it's a parody 829 00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:32.079 of Eli, I do have sincerely apologize ELI fans. Yeah, 830 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.000 and I will gladly be corrected on this issue. But 831 00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.719 he says, when we saw the gift and she was 832 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:43.719 standing there without her shit off, my fucking jaw was 833 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:47.920 on the ground. And you know what, anytime that girl 834 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.320 is in an R rated movie, I'll pay fucking money 835 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:54.239 just to see it, because I know that Katie Holmes 836 00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:57.800 is willing to do what is required of the role. 837 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.000 She's not like, look at me, I'm no good. She'll 838 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.800 do what it takes. If there's a sex scene required, 839 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.760 she'll fucking do it. She's got my nine books. 840 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:11.199 These are the. 841 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.519 Fucking TV actresses that won't do nudity and sex scenes. 842 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.639 I'll watch them on TV for free. So there, I'm 843 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:21.840 not paying for it. 844 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.079 If you're an actress in Hollywood, Eli Roth wants you 845 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.360 to know that it's your tits that he will pay for. 846 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.719 And if you're not willing to go there, you can 847 00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:34.679 fuck off back to TV. 848 00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.559 I'm surprised he doesn't have like a rant on Facebook 849 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.639 on hit like if you want to put an end 850 00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:45.760 to these actresses who won't show their tits, but that 851 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.320 would be slack divism, so we wouldn't do that because 852 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:49.079 he's against slacked. 853 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:50.760 But he's not one of these frat boys. 854 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:57.159 No, No, he's a sensitive He's a shy sensitive type. 855 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.159 It comes across this has to be a joke. This 856 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:01.239 has to be a joke. 857 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.719 Yeah, can we sorry, can we get the correction? 858 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:05.239 Can we get somebody there? 859 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:05.400 Like? 860 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.320 It has to be a joke, you know. And I'm 861 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.079 sorry that I took at a face value because it's 862 00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.880 obviously a joke. But let's move on talking about his 863 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.039 flip flopping. Do you remember And this was one of 864 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.559 the occasions that he was on Rumor Radio and it 865 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.119 was quite opportunistic because they were interviewing him for the magazine. 866 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:25.199 I showed up and they said, oh, we're talking to Eli, 867 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.039 and he'd just done this rant on Fox News that 868 00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.519 I loved, not so much the content, but just the 869 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.199 fact that he was defending the horror genre and criticizing 870 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.679 Bush and Cheney and the war in Iraq and everything, 871 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.920 and he was making a point that horror films reflect 872 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:46.880 important aspects of the cultural zeitgeist. Even though some of 873 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:51.239 the details in that speech I thought were a bit overgeneralized, 874 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.320 the fact that he was on Fox News defending the 875 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.760 horror genre and being at that time seemingly a progressive liberal, 876 00:50:58.360 --> 00:50:59.920 I thought was interesting. So I got him on the 877 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.400 phone and we talked about it. Of course, let's keep 878 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.320 in mind this was two thousand and seven. This wasn't 879 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.320 like when Michael Moore criticized the Iraq invasion at the 880 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:10.840 Academy Awards and took a lot of flak. It was 881 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.960 really unpopular to speak out against that war. But by 882 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.159 the end of Bush Team two it was almost the opposite. 883 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.639 It was unpopular not to speak out against it. So Eli, 884 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.400 in a sense, wasn't doing anything when you look back, 885 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:29.360 wasn't doing anything that provocative by showing up and giving 886 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:32.800 Fox News the gears, because that was really the that 887 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:33.840 was trendy. 888 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.320 And this is the way the wind was blowing. 889 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.280 Yeah, it was the way the wind was blowing. For sure. 890 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.760 You're like, good to have you, great to be here, Neil, 891 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.039 What do you think's going on? You would think that 892 00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.800 in the environment we have the fear of terror and 893 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.719 everything else. The last thing we'd wanted to be in 894 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:49.960 theaters is terrorized. 895 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:50.599 Yep, we are. 896 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:51.239 Well. 897 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.239 The truth of the matter is in times of terror, 898 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.800 people want to People want to be terrified, but in 899 00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.559 a safe environment. Because with all the things that are 900 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.079 going on in the world, certainly with the war in 901 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:03.480 the Rack and the horrible, horrible aftermath of Hurricane Katrino, 902 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.320 where our government did nothing to help anybody, you want 903 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.079 to scream, and there really is no place in society 904 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.559 where you can go and just scream at the top 905 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:12.239 of your lungs and get it out of your system. 906 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.079 And horror movies really provide that safe environment to do that, 907 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:15.679 all right. 908 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.679 But with some of the horror movies though, is it 909 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.280 just the fact that editing's changed, or the fact we've 910 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:22.840 always liked horror movies. They've always done very well. 911 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.480 Right, Yeah, horror movies, I mean it goes in cycles. 912 00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:28.800 You know, in the seventies with Vietnam, all of a 913 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.920 sudden you had movies like Last House on the Left 914 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.199 and The Texas Chainsaw Masker and Don and the Dead. 915 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.880 And then if you notice, you know, kind of in 916 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.760 the Clinton administration, when things were calm, there weren't that 917 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.440 many horror movies. But now, you know, thanks to George 918 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.679 Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, there's a whole 919 00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.159 new wave of horror movies that are back. 920 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.079 So I see him almost as a horrizeic. 921 00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:49.039 All right. 922 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.239 Put him in a room full of feminists. He starts 923 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.960 talking about the male gaze. Stick him in a room 924 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:00.400 full of frat boys. He's demanding Elijah Douschcou's tits. Stick 925 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:03.400 him in a room full of dentists. He's talking about 926 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:04.400 killing lions. 927 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.639 He's a social chameleon. He blends in wherever he goes. 928 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.119 Stick him in a room full of indigenous activists. I 929 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.119 imagine he'll start railing against the oil companies. 930 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:18.079 Oh, this damn oil company. 931 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:19.480 He wouldn't go that far. 932 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.800 No, he doesn't take that kind of SJW. Crap, does he. 933 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.000 So this brings us now to the Green Inferno, which 934 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.360 premiered at the Toronto Film Festival in twenty thirteen. Now, 935 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.559 after Hostele Too, Eli's directing career sort of took a 936 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.519 backseat to his acting career and his producing career, and 937 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.760 he's been very prolific and very busy and involved in 938 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:49.000 all sorts of stuff. The Last Exorcism, after Shock, Hemlock Grove, 939 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.239 and of course what was the kung fu one from 940 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.239 the Wu Tang Klang guy, the Man with the Iron Fists. 941 00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.880 Man with the Golden Golden fists. 942 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.199 Something like that. He went off to China and he 943 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.639 did a massive production over in China. So he's been 944 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.840 very busy. Even though he hasn't been directed in movies lately, 945 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:10.119 he's been very busy in the film business. Absolutely, nobody 946 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:16.519 will ever accuse him of not being a hard working filmmaker, 947 00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:20.079 not at all. Of course. The Green infer and O 948 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.039 is a reference to the film within a film in 949 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.679 Cannibal Holocaust and the nickname for the jungle. Interestingly, the 950 00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.960 term itself carries with it a certain kind of Christian 951 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:35.039 repressive view of nature, the Green Infano. But it's a 952 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.599 cool title. It's a great needs, it's a great title 953 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.119 if you're going to resurrect the cannibal movie. I couldn't 954 00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:42.920 think of a better title than The Green Inferno. 955 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.119 Today, we are already on the threshold of conquering our galaxy, 956 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.239 and in a not too distant tomorrow, we'll be considering 957 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.320 the conquest of the universe. And yet Man seems to 958 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.679 ignore the fact that on this very planet there are 959 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.920 still people living in the Stone Age and practicing cannibalism, 960 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.920 primitive tribes, isolated, ruthless and hostile environment where the prevailing 961 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.800 law is the survival of the fitness. And this jungle, 962 00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.559 which its inhabitants referred to as the Green Inferno, is 963 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:12.079 only a few hours flying time from New York City. 964 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.880 And of course Eli is an outspoken advocate of this 965 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.119 dubious subgenre. I'm not particularly a fan of it, although 966 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:26.119 I do find Cannibal Holocaust an incredibly fascinating film that 967 00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:28.800 I've watched many times and I think it does something 968 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:33.079 incredibly unique. But he loves the genre, so he's decided 969 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:37.159 to revive it in twenty thirteen. So the plot as 970 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.280 I know it, and this is at the point where 971 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.440 I sort of tuned out once I heared what the 972 00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:45.480 film was about or what his target was I just decided, oh, 973 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.320 you know what, I don't need to listen to any 974 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:51.159 more bullshit for Eli rather about politics or any of 975 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:56.239 his political critiques. But it is apparently, you know, let's 976 00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:59.079 face it, you're going to revive the Cannibal movie in 977 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.199 two thousand and three eighteen, Well, you have a few 978 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.119 challenges and a few great opportunities as well for political satire. 979 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.440 The Amazon is one of the most important places on 980 00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.760 Earth as far as our biodiversity and the biodiversity of 981 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.559 the planet, and the health of the planet's ecosystem and atmosphere. 982 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.599 The Amazon has been referred to as the lungs of 983 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:22.800 the planet. More oxygen is released from the Amazon than 984 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:26.360 anywhere else, and obviously, with greenhouse gases piling up, the 985 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.119 more oxygen we have, the more we balance out the 986 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:35.760 greenhouse gases. So by diminishing the Amazon, we're potentially on 987 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.519 the verge of a mass extinction. So it's of incredible 988 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.920 critical importance what's going on in the Amazon. So are 989 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.960 you going to do an Amazon movie? Tons of stuff 990 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.239 to go after. Politically, you can go after the exploitation, 991 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:54.480 how oil companies, how deforestation works, how the media industry 992 00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:57.719 is in there, wiping shit out to grow grain for cattle. 993 00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.519 There's so many stuff, corrupt local gold, government's repression of 994 00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:05.119 indigenous tribes, all these things come into. 995 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:08.880 Phony drug wars, all that kind of stuff, right like, 996 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:11.000 it all ties in there. 997 00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:15.519 One of the biggest challenges of resurrecting the cannibal subgenre 998 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:19.079 are the cannibals because basically that plays into this time 999 00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:23.239 on a tradition of demonizing a local population to drum 1000 00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:27.880 up support for imperial colonial conquest, right, which is obviously 1001 00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:31.800 affecting that region. So there's ways to do it. And 1002 00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.719 I'm not opposed to the idea of having a cannibal movie, 1003 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:37.320 but there's ways to address it. And I'm not sure 1004 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.679 if Eli did address it. I haven't seen the film, 1005 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:47.320 but from what he's saying, given that entire range of possibilities, 1006 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.079 his focus, and this is based on how he was 1007 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:57.280 talking about the film, his focus was the slacktivists who 1008 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:02.440 care about the Amazon, the social justice warriors, although he 1009 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:05.760 wasn't using the term social justice warriors in twenty thirteen 1010 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:08.039 because I don't think it was common parlance. Like I said, 1011 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:09.679 he just kind of blows with the wind. So now 1012 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.599 that's become a fashionable team. He uses it today. Back then, 1013 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.719 it was all about slacktivists. Slacktivists, of course, are people 1014 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.800 who just click like when they see something show up 1015 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.239 on Facebook or Twitter and they retweet something. They don't 1016 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.360 really do anything about it, but they feel good that 1017 00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:29.480 they've hit like or they've signed a petition, and then 1018 00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:32.280 they go back to their cozy little lives without really 1019 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:38.599 inconveniencing themselves, and they're contributing nothing to the cause. That's 1020 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:39.800 what slack divism is. 1021 00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:43.679 And those people are very real, and they're very legitimitimasure 1022 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:48.159 legitimate problems that the activist community could have with them. 1023 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.800 Yeah, and they're right for satire, there's no question about it, 1024 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:54.039 no doubt. But let's face it, a group of kids 1025 00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:56.880 who get on a plane and go to the Amazon 1026 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:03.840 to fight an oil company. That's not slacktivism. That's called activism. 1027 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.320 So I think I think Paul Eli in his political confusion, 1028 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:13.199 he's got activism, slacktivism confusion, or what I like to 1029 00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:20.119 call on cracktivism. That's his particular perspective on the issue. Yeah, 1030 00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:20.679 there's a. 1031 00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:24.199 Big difference between hashtaging something and actually getting on a plane, 1032 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:29.400 traveling to a foreign country and actually trying to do something, 1033 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:33.960 however misguided that thing may be. You at least can't 1034 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.920 call those people lazy, and you at least can't say 1035 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.679 that those people are just a bunch of hipster slackers 1036 00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:42.760 who you know, can't be bothered to do anything in 1037 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.480 the real world. The fact that they're actually traveling out 1038 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:48.679 to the jungle kind of undermines that premise just a 1039 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:49.199 little bit. 1040 00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:49.880 Mind. 1041 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:51.480 If a dummy asques what it is you hope to 1042 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:56.159 find in this blessed village, I told you. My thesis 1043 00:59:56.320 --> 01:00:00.000 claims that cannibalism as an organized practice of human societ 1044 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.400 does not exist, and historically has never existed. 1045 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:08.079 So much the better, dear, According to Gloria Man eat 1046 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:09.000 Man is bullshit. 1047 01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:13.719 Let's say it was an invention of racist colonialism, which 1048 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:17.480 had a vested interest in creating the myth of the ferocious, 1049 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:22.199 subhuman savage fit only for extermination. The mythical lie of 1050 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.599 cannibal ferox was only an alibi to justify the greed 1051 01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:28.800 and cruelty of the conquistadores. 1052 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.119 So at some point last year, Eli did an interview 1053 01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:35.480 with a magazine and he was asked the question. One 1054 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.599 reviewer called the portrayal of the indigenous peoples in the 1055 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.679 Green and Ferno reactionary and dehumanizing. How do you respond 1056 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:48.480 to that? And Eli says, I think the only people 1057 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:53.719 who really worry about that are overly concerned North Americans 1058 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:59.360 who want to appear concerned in other ways, the very 1059 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:05.599 activists that Eli is attempting to lampoon, conveniently, the very 1060 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:11.400 slacktivists that he thinks are likely to raise objections about 1061 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:15.880 his depiction of indigenous tribes in the Amazon as flesh 1062 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:16.840 eating cannibals. 1063 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.079 Yeah, And I mean that's the interesting thing here is 1064 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:24.840 that he seems sort of very confused about who exactly 1065 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:29.559 it is he's going after and who exactly is the problem, 1066 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.920 you know, is the problem in the Amazon slacktivists, Is 1067 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.840 the problem in the Amazon actual activists traveling there to 1068 01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:45.159 to you know, take part in actual real world activism, 1069 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.119 or is the real problems in the Amazon probably things 1070 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:54.079 like oil companies, you know, corrupt governments, corrupt militaries, corrupt 1071 01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:57.480 police forces, all those sorts of things. Right, So, I mean, 1072 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:02.199 by taking aim at people who are likely to be 1073 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:06.519 helping these problems or at least wanting to help these 1074 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.920 problems and maybe being misguided about how they're doing it, 1075 01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:12.920 or maybe not fully understanding the right way to help 1076 01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.960 or the most productive way to help. Their hearts are 1077 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.400 still in a place that comes from wanting to actually 1078 01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:23.719 elevate the Amazon region out of some of the very real, 1079 01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:27.960 you know, threats to its future that it's under right now, 1080 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:32.519 and going after those people just seems frightfully misguided to me. 1081 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:36.800 You know, it just seems like, like, nah, I'm not 1082 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.360 gonna I'm not going to go after the people who 1083 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:44.119 really have a lot of power in this situation. I'm 1084 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.480 going to go after the people who are actually relatively 1085 01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:51.280 powerless in this situation. And I think that's probably where 1086 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.400 he's steering in a very wrong direction. 1087 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:57.280 I have a theory about this, and I feel like 1088 01:02:58.280 --> 01:02:59.719 very much how Griffith. 1089 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:00.360 D W. 1090 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:05.599 Griffith made intolerance as a spiteful reaction against what he 1091 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:09.480 perceived to be the intolerance of the racism of bath 1092 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.880 of a nation. I realized it's preposterous to talk about 1093 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.159 Eli Roth in comparison to T. W. Griff who was 1094 01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:20.840 a visionary filmmaker, but politically in terms of their political cluelessness. 1095 01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:24.760 They're more closely aligned so very much. How Intolerance, which 1096 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:30.559 is a stupid but magnificent film, tackles Griffith's frustration with 1097 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.639 the intolerance of Birth of a Nation. I feel like 1098 01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.800 where Green Inferno is coming from initially is a build 1099 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.440 up of this resentment, you know, the fact that I 1100 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.159 blame it on Eliza douche Coup. Had she shown it 1101 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:47.519 tits in wrong tain, we wouldn't have the Green Inferno 1102 01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:51.679 and the slacktivists under fire, because effectively, what he's doing 1103 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:56.039 is he's demonizing the very people he imagines are going 1104 01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.280 to have a problem with him making a cannibal movie, 1105 01:03:58.440 --> 01:03:59.679 and not the actual. 1106 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.639 People who have a problem with him making a cannibal movie. 1107 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:04.519 And that's a very important distinction to make. The battle 1108 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.840 that a lot of these people are having against selectivists 1109 01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.760 and that sort of thing are a battle with imaginary 1110 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.760 people in their heads. They're fighting with shapes they see 1111 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.199 in the clouds because they're not real things, you know. 1112 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.639 So he's doing battle with these sort of imaginary activists 1113 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:25.559 in his head that are going to hate this film, 1114 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:29.400 when the reality may be very different and there may 1115 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:34.280 be really very real activists with very legitimate concerns about 1116 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:36.719 his film and the impact that it's going to have 1117 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.360 on how Indigenous people are perceived, and in fact, the 1118 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.960 impact he may have already had on an Indigenous people 1119 01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:45.000 that they shot with. 1120 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.559 So he and all this stuff, I just immediately tuned 1121 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:51.039 out of The Green infa and O. And to be honest, 1122 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.239 just Eli Roth, I'm like, Okay, enough is enough. You know, 1123 01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:58.360 I hate to be dismissive of someone. Like I said, 1124 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:02.280 I do recognize that he's a hard guy. And even 1125 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.800 making The Green Infano, I mean, the guy goes into 1126 01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:09.199 the Amazon, they almost died. Apparently at one point, they're 1127 01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:12.119 getting eaten alive by bugs. They're all getting sick. I mean, 1128 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.920 you have to have respect for the effort and the 1129 01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:21.079 adventuresome spirit of the filmmaker, you know, doing this crazy 1130 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.760 Fitzcaraldo type of thing or something, you know what I mean, Yeah. 1131 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:28.000 Exactly, It's awesome, Like on that level, it's so awesome 1132 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:32.039 and so interesting, and I imagine there's a million amazing 1133 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:35.360 stories about the production of this film and just the 1134 01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:39.480 kind of hardships that the crew and the actors went through, 1135 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:44.360 and like I have no doubt that a herculean effort 1136 01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:46.800 was expended to make this movie, and I definitely have 1137 01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:47.800 a lot of respect for that. 1138 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.199 But in terms of my own sort of interest in 1139 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.280 I guess what I'm attracted to in horror films and 1140 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:58.280 why I'm fundamentally interested in the genre still as an 1141 01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.280 adult is because I really, especially in the nineties, I 1142 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:05.880 really started to connect to the subverse of progressive elements 1143 01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:08.199 of the films, you know, like a movie like Dawn 1144 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.039 of the Dead, Romero's Dawn of the Dead. It is 1145 01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:14.400 so important to me. But what I'm seeing in this 1146 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:19.360 generation is a complete erosion of that sensibility. Somebody like 1147 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:25.280 Eli Roth recognizes on a very superficial level that horror 1148 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:30.199 films have great social import and he praises himself forgiving 1149 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:33.559 The Green Inferno a social commentary, and other people just 1150 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:36.840 blindly have praised him. It's got social commentary, just like 1151 01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.440 the great horror movies of the seventies. But I don't 1152 01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:44.800 think Eli quite understands the social commentary in some of 1153 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:48.199 the great films that we all sort of mutually enjoy. 1154 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.280 And that's the problem with him is political sensibility needs 1155 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:56.800 a great deal of work. So despite how impressive his 1156 01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:01.440 efforts are and his work ethic. Personally, I just don't 1157 01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:04.679 care about the guy's trip anymore. I would have been 1158 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.360 happy to go along my way and never think about 1159 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.800 Eli Roth again. But then about a week and a 1160 01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:15.039 half ago, I get a link off a long time 1161 01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:19.760 Cinophobia listener and former contributor, mister Mike Tank, who has 1162 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:22.960 a propensity for sending me these links that aggravate me 1163 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:26.679 tremendously and have set me off on massive tirades, shit 1164 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:29.320 that I would never know about otherwise, And this was 1165 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:32.559 one of those instances. He sent me the link to 1166 01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:37.760 an article on a website called Bathmovies Death dot com. 1167 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:42.119 The article was called eli Roth goes full gamer Gates 1168 01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:47.079 pimping the Green Inferno, and the article was talking about 1169 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:54.360 the political sensibility behind the current Green Inferno, posting, now 1170 01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.559 we should mention also that the Green and Ferna went 1171 01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:58.280 into some sort of crazy distribution. 1172 01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:58.599 Hell. 1173 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:02.079 I don't know what happened, but I think what happened 1174 01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:06.199 was the company that was going to distribute it went under, 1175 01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:08.159 and it took a while for him to kind of 1176 01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:11.280 attach it to another place, and he'd already been doing press. 1177 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:14.840 It was supposed to come out in September twenty fourteen, 1178 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:18.199 a full year after it was at the film Festival. 1179 01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:21.199 Well that was two years ago now, so in order 1180 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.000 to bring it back into the marketplace and give it 1181 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:26.000 a kind of fresh coat of pains as far as 1182 01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:29.039 the publicity goes, it's come out in September, by the way, 1183 01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:33.960 September twenty fifth. They devised a whole new marketing campaign 1184 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:40.960 that apparently is taking advantage on some social cultural undercurrents 1185 01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.399 that have been going on lately that I've been largely 1186 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:48.079 oblivious towards, but you've been really keyed into. So do 1187 01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:52.000 me a favor. Explain to me the poster of this 1188 01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:56.279 new campaign and exactly the sort of audience you think 1189 01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.760 the green Infirno is now meant to attract. 1190 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.800 Yeah, so this was fascinating actually, And as soon as 1191 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:07.600 I saw this poster, I was actually pretty pretty blown 1192 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:13.920 away by how sort of blatantly he's chasing this certain audience. 1193 01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:19.359 So what you see on the posters big letters justice 1194 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:22.680 will be served, you know, big red letters. And then 1195 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:25.840 you see this, you know, severed hand, you know, clutching 1196 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.439 an iPhone. And I'm sure they were very intentional about 1197 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.359 getting something that looked like an iPhone. You know, they've 1198 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:33.560 got to sort of take the boots to those you know, 1199 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:38.079 Apple hipsters. You know, I'm sure that was in a 1200 01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:42.560 discussion somewhere. And the phone has all these hashtags on it. 1201 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:44.680 So somebody that looks like they're posting something to Twitter 1202 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.720 and there's all these hashtags. And so there's you know, 1203 01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:54.000 jungle Gate, you know acts now you in Social Justice 1204 01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:57.520 for All, which, interestingly enough, I think all three of 1205 01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:02.560 those are actual hashtags that people use to discuss various issues. 1206 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:08.199 And then there was Native Lives Matter and Indigenous Lives Matter, 1207 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.039 which are two hashtags that looks like plays on the 1208 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:18.399 Black Lives Matter hashtag. So's he's speaking to an audience 1209 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:21.560 that that doesn't have a lot of respect or time 1210 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:25.439 for this sort of hashtag activism, right. A lot of 1211 01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.960 people accuse it of being this sort of lazy, you know, 1212 01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:32.520 slacktivist kind of thing to do. And the thing is 1213 01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.760 is that these hashtags are also speaking very directly to 1214 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.079 people involved in a movement called gamer gait. It's one 1215 01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.399 of the I guess, the biggest umbrella term we could 1216 01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.800 use for these people, although they have I mean, there's 1217 01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:52.640 gamer gait and there's some men's right stuff mixed up 1218 01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:55.359 in there, and it kind of goes all over the map. 1219 01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:57.640 So it's hard to kind of figure out what to 1220 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:02.039 call these people. But the unifying principle is that they 1221 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:06.600 all sort of can't stand these social justice warriors and 1222 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:09.560 they're they're, oh, they can't take it. You know, they 1223 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:14.159 don't like their social justice warriors can't tolerate free speech, 1224 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:16.359 and you know, we're not allowed to say what we 1225 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:19.680 want because social justice warriors are here, you know, shaming 1226 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:23.439 people off the Internet and you know, using their Twitter 1227 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.760 activism to you know, make people lose their jobs because 1228 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.760 they said something awful on the Internet, or make somebody 1229 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:33.680 you know, have to apologize because they say something awful 1230 01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:38.680 on the Internet. There's a real pushback against any sort 1231 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:42.640 of social justice type speech on the Internet. There's a 1232 01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:48.399 real pushback against minorities and women having an opportunity to 1233 01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:53.720 speak openly on the Internet, which in a way it 1234 01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:58.039 very much harms one of the key functions as I 1235 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:01.680 see it, of the Internet, which is allowing people who 1236 01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:06.800 have been kept out of traditional mass media. The Internet 1237 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.680 is a bit of a playing field leveler for those people. 1238 01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.159 It's a way for those people to get their issues 1239 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:17.319 on a much larger stage, and so by by playing 1240 01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:21.920 with a group that is really dedicated to shutting that down, right, Like, 1241 01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:24.560 they don't want to hear that. We don't want to 1242 01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:27.760 hear about your minority problems. We don't want to hear 1243 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:31.000 about your you know, your your women's problems. Oh you're 1244 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:34.239 you're concerned about violence and video games, Well you don't what. 1245 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:36.760 We don't want to hear about that. And you're concerned 1246 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.359 about the portrayal of women in video games, Well, we 1247 01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:41.119 don't definitely don't want to hear about any of that. 1248 01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:43.359 And it just kind of goes on and on and 1249 01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:45.560 on and on and on. Right, we don't want to 1250 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:47.479 hear about minorities. We don't want to hear about this. 1251 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.359 So it's it's in a way quite perverse, you know, 1252 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.359 to be to be going after people who are actively 1253 01:12:55.479 --> 01:13:00.920 working to shut down minority voices, particularly voices are women. 1254 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:05.479 It's they have a very shocking propensity for that. So 1255 01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:08.720 right away when you see this poster speaking to that group, 1256 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:09.760 it's it's shocking. 1257 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.039 Well, there's a couple of things that strike me as odd. 1258 01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:15.000 First of all, so while we can I guess all 1259 01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:19.760 empathize to some degree with the frustration of I hate 1260 01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:22.359 the term social justice worry, but the type of person 1261 01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:26.880 that's just going to get like, really intensely offended by stuff, 1262 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.479 you know, and call for boycotts of things. And they exist, obviously, 1263 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:35.319 while we can get irritated by that. The problem I 1264 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:38.399 think with Eli's marketing, and at this point when I 1265 01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:40.640 first saw the poster, I actually assumed it was just 1266 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:45.119 obliviousness on his post. I'm questioning that now significantly, as 1267 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:46.960 I think we all will by the time we get 1268 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:51.199 to the end of this. But he's equating that kind 1269 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:57.239 of knee jake slacktivism meaninglessness with legitimate activism. 1270 01:13:57.800 --> 01:13:58.000 Yeah. 1271 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.399 Absolutely, like the Black Lives Matter movement, which seems to 1272 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.640 be lampooned in that poster. This is a situation that 1273 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:08.359 happened in the wake of the Trayvon Martin killing, where 1274 01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:11.640 George Zimmermann got away scoff free from just hunting down 1275 01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.399 a black head and shooting them to death. The movement 1276 01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:18.600 exploded in the wake of the Walter Scott shooting, where 1277 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:21.880 a policeman shot a black man eight times in the back. 1278 01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:24.880 The video everyone's seen the video eight times in the 1279 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:28.920 back supposedly for a traffic violation. So this movement has 1280 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:35.439 grown in opposition to this epidemic of police brutality and 1281 01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:39.760 just the mistreatment of black people in American society at large. 1282 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.159 It's a popular movement against it. Speaking out against it. 1283 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.520 That gives legitimacy to the great promise of the Internet 1284 01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:50.880 that the Internet could be used to mobilize and organize 1285 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.800 and build progressive movements. Like these hashtags aren't just meaningless 1286 01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:00.640 things that people throw around. They do reflect actual organized movements. 1287 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:04.239 There was a massive Black Lives Matter demonstration here in Toronto, 1288 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:09.760 and this is necessary. Is Eli really against people speaking 1289 01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:15.239 out against these crimes against ethnic minorities in America that 1290 01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:16.399 are all over the internet. 1291 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:17.039 Yeah? 1292 01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:19.600 And is he willing to do that to the extent 1293 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.720 that he is willing to engage and inflame a group 1294 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:27.359 that has actually contributed quite a bit to attempting to 1295 01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:30.920 shut all that sort of debate and decission down right 1296 01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:36.199 and to silence minority voices on these very issues. And 1297 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:39.319 I mean, while we're kind of talking, you know, selectivism 1298 01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:41.239 and all that sort of thing, you know, we need 1299 01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:45.840 to keep in mind the extreme power of social media 1300 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:50.800 in terms of using it to politically mobilize, particularly in 1301 01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:54.800 countries where traditional means of mobilization are not as available 1302 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:59.800 to everyone. You know, Twitter played an extremely large role 1303 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.760 in the activism during the Arab Spring that brought down 1304 01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:06.960 the Egyptian government. You know, it's very important to keep 1305 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.600 in mind that these are not it's not slacktivists doing this. 1306 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:13.960 You know, these tools are being used by people to 1307 01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:18.039 overthrow oppressive regimes around the world, you know, and been 1308 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:21.760 proven to be valuable tools for doing so. Google had 1309 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:26.239 a full time employee working just to keep activists informed 1310 01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.600 of new techniques to keep their methods of communication up 1311 01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:34.640 and running, because Google recognized the power of the Internet 1312 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:40.000 in order to keep activists connected. It's a profoundly, profoundly 1313 01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:44.600 important tool. And while you can definitely find people using 1314 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:47.840 it to share pictures of cats and their dicks and 1315 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:53.239 whatever else, you can also find it find people organizing 1316 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:57.479 to overthrow oppressive regimes. And that's important, you know. I 1317 01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:00.680 think that's worth all the worthless cat pictures and whatever 1318 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:02.000 both shit that's on there. 1319 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.239 So in the wake of that Bath movie's death article, 1320 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:07.920 I went back to take another look, a closer look 1321 01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:10.439 at a petition i'd caught wind of a couple of 1322 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:13.319 weeks earlier, but I never really paid any real attention 1323 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.359 to it because, like I said, I wasn't really interested 1324 01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.439 in the movie. But a petition showed up on change 1325 01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:23.479 dot Org entitled petitioning Eli Roth to cancel the launch 1326 01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:28.479 of the dehumanizing film Green Inferno. The petition was started 1327 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:31.840 by somebody called boycott Green in fa and O from 1328 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.640 the United States. There's no clues as to the identity 1329 01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:39.680 of who started the petition, and there's a statement there 1330 01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:45.279 attributed to Amazon Watch, which is an environmental organization, and 1331 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:48.279 it's a statement taking issue with the depiction of the 1332 01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:51.800 Indigenous peoples in the Green in Fear and O. Like 1333 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:54.079 I said, initially, I didn't pay much attention to it. 1334 01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:57.239 I did notice that you get your typical response, especially 1335 01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:01.680 the reaction area's weighing in, going, oh, that's social justice warriors. 1336 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:02.600 They've gone too far. 1337 01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:05.359 There's time, but they're all over the petition, like the 1338 01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:10.039 comments you can't you can't throw a rock and not 1339 01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:13.520 hit some guy who's you know, making hateful comments or 1340 01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:18.840 you know, trashing Native people or trashing sjw's. It's completely 1341 01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.079 overrun with reactionaries at this point. 1342 01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:25.239 But taking a close look, I realized immediately that there's 1343 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:30.039 quite a few very suspicious things about this particular petition. 1344 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.760 First of all, it's signed off by Amazon Watch, which 1345 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:36.520 nobody seemed to be talking about. That this is a 1346 01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:40.319 legitimate environmental movement. So all that I hate these social 1347 01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:45.319 justice warriors, well, Amazon Watch aren't slacktivists. They're not just 1348 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:50.840 hashtag reactive wingin babies. They're actually people on the ground 1349 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.880 trying to make a difference, supposedly in the Amazon I 1350 01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:59.000 don't really know that much about the organization. Weirdly, I'll 1351 01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.920 tell you this how I've laid this. Eli Roth has 1352 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:08.000 a great deal of respect for this organization. Loves Amazon 1353 01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:09.640 Watch absolutely, he does. 1354 01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:12.680 You know, he certainly would consider their seal of approval 1355 01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:17.399 a very important thing to the legitimacy of the Green Inferno. 1356 01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:19.479 So, all of a sudden, we got a petition against 1357 01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:23.600 the movie. Now, as anyone who has even a rudimentary 1358 01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.520 understanding of the history of exploitation films, nothing helps promote 1359 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.760 a horror movie better than when a group comes out 1360 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.279 in opposition to it or calls for a boycott. It's 1361 01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:39.079 a great publicity tool. So immediately I started to suspect, 1362 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.960 maybe this is a fabrication of the marketing department of 1363 01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:46.239 the Green and Feno. It's a legitimate question. This petition 1364 01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.720 conveniently shows up that seems to not only be drumming 1365 01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:55.920 up controversy for the film, but also seemingly becomes evidence 1366 01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.800 for what the film is about, these people who won't 1367 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.760 let us do what we want, these social justice warriors. 1368 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:06.520 So peeking around some of the comments everywhere, this wasn't 1369 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:11.279 an uncommon conclusion that fans were drawing that it was 1370 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:12.359 a marketing ploy. 1371 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.520 Yeah, it was definitely my assessment also, right like just 1372 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:19.159 sort of my shoot from the hip look at it was, Yeah, 1373 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:23.119 this is probably some kind of marketing you know, smoking 1374 01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:27.119 mirrors from the you know, Eli Ross team. Certainly not 1375 01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.199 unexpected and very much par for the exploitation course. 1376 01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.479 And of course this is bothering me because again he's 1377 01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:37.960 equating who he thinks he's going after, slacktivists with actual activism. 1378 01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:40.840 So if they're throw an Amazon Watch under the bus 1379 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.680 to draw up some phony marketing campaign and they're bringing 1380 01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:47.720 out of the woodwork all these reactionary, spiteful, hateful comments 1381 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:51.640 against the people doing the petition. Then they're trying to 1382 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:56.119 destroy the credibility of an actual legitimate activist organization to 1383 01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:58.880 draw them up support for an argument that's bullshit to 1384 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:02.600 begin with. The Other theory is that maybe it was 1385 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:06.600 somebody from Amazon Watch. So I google the phrase, I 1386 01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:09.039 go back to Amazon Watch. There's nothing on their site 1387 01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:12.239 about it. I couldn't find any real hits leading me 1388 01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:16.239 to the source of the statement that was included in 1389 01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:16.800 the petition. 1390 01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:20.119 Yeah, and their page is full of campaigns that they 1391 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:23.600 are currently running, awareness campaigns, all that sort of thing. 1392 01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:27.159 There's no mention of Green Inferno, no mention of Eliingroth, 1393 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.079 no mention of anything of that nature. 1394 01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:34.239 But maybe it was somebody associated with them who didn't 1395 01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:39.000 have the full blessing of the organization signing off on 1396 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:43.359 their statements a theory. The third theory was that it 1397 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.560 was a hoax by the very sort of gamer gate 1398 01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:49.800 community that you were talking about, because apparently these guys 1399 01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:52.399 liked to wage Internet hoaxes, right. 1400 01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:55.760 Yeah, absolutely, that was a strong suspicion of mine as well, 1401 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:59.439 was the idea that they would cook up this. Hey, 1402 01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:01.800 look at what the sjw's are doing to sort of 1403 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:05.640 drum up support and you know sort of you know, 1404 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:08.680 bang the gongs and get everybody up and out in 1405 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:11.279 arms about it, right, And this is this is a 1406 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.760 community of people. It's sort of known for pranks, known 1407 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.720 for uh, these sort of and I hate this term 1408 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:20.159 because that's such a weird conspiracy theorist thing, but these 1409 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:23.640 false flag operations and all that kind of stuff. And 1410 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:27.039 these guys think that this, these are the tactics that 1411 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.279 activists will use against them. Like, they think that activists 1412 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.840 are going to use these false flag tactics, and they 1413 01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:36.399 think sjw's are like, you know, faking nine to eleven 1414 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:39.720 to you know, get the Patriot Act brought in, and 1415 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:42.079 like that's what some of these people think, right, So 1416 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:45.600 they think nothing of, well, hey, we'll fake a petition 1417 01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:48.399 and you know, we'll doctor this whole thing up. So 1418 01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:52.960 it's not an unexpected tactic from them. And I thought 1419 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:57.560 it was a distinct possibility and among a realm of possibilities. 1420 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:01.319 It's funny you mentioned the Patriot Act issue because I 1421 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:05.960 guess in theory, these libertarian types would be opposed to 1422 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:06.760 the Patriot Act. 1423 01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:11.359 Yeah, yeah, it's very funny. The interesting thing about these 1424 01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:17.399 guys is that they're in many ways indistinguishable from like 1425 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:21.479 the really hard right wing, you know, white supremacists, like 1426 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:25.199 that kind of attitude, except in some really key areas. 1427 01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:29.479 And those key areas are things like personal privacy, things 1428 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:34.279 like legalizing weed, things like atheism. You know, like they're 1429 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:37.840 all for the most part, again not very hospitable to religion, 1430 01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:42.399 very much into the idea of legalizing dope, and very 1431 01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:48.000 much against the idea of any kind of government intrusion 1432 01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:52.319 into their lives, which is is very very interesting. You know, 1433 01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:56.079 it's almost like they're a they're they're the Internet generation 1434 01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:59.920 of the right wing. You know, they're the next iteration 1435 01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.119 of what this is going to look like in the future. 1436 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:05.000 You have a group like gamer Gate, which is effectively 1437 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:08.239 leaderless right and they've made it so that there's no 1438 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.840 sort of one point of contact and there's no one 1439 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:14.359 unified set of beliefs. I mean, they will try and 1440 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:17.319 tell you that it's all about you know, ethics and 1441 01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:21.000 video game journalism or whatever, but I mean when their 1442 01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:23.920 actions are completely incongruent with that and they're asked to 1443 01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:26.960 account for it, they're able to say, well, that's not 1444 01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:31.159 really us with somebody else, And you know, because being 1445 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.680 a gamer Gator is a self identifying thing. It's very 1446 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:37.319 easy for them to point to anybody who's behaving in 1447 01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:39.720 a way that is unsavory and say, well, they're not 1448 01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.359 one of us. Really, you know, they go, well, they're 1449 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.079 not really one of our people. So engaging with them 1450 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:48.319 on this level, you're presuming that you're engaging with people 1451 01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:51.840 who want to have a discussion in good faith, right, 1452 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:55.920 people who are actually there to have a debate, and 1453 01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:58.680 people who are actually there who are are not just 1454 01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:02.600 going to be sort of advocating for their own position, 1455 01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:05.760 but in fact listening to yours and trying to find 1456 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:09.319 ways to find common ground and find things that we 1457 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:14.960 can agree to work on together. And unfortunately, gamer Gate 1458 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:20.840 seems pathologically incapable of working with other people because they 1459 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:26.039 demand this level of ideological purity, right, like you have 1460 01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:32.119 to be ideologically aligned with what we think, or else 1461 01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:34.640 you are out. There's no like, we're not going to 1462 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:37.479 talk about it, We're not going to have a little debate. 1463 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:42.039 It's you are either on this end of the spectrum 1464 01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:45.159 or you're out of it. You know, you don't get 1465 01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:48.359 to participate. So while on one hand, I think it 1466 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:52.359 would be amazing to be able to try and bring 1467 01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:54.720 some of these groups together and have them talk and 1468 01:25:55.960 --> 01:26:00.079 hopefully find a better an understanding of each other. I 1469 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.880 just don't see it happening with the current structure that 1470 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:05.880 these groups are using now. Anyway. 1471 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:11.720 It's funny because you're saying that the gamergases are inflexible 1472 01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:14.720 and despise views contrary to their own. 1473 01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:16.840 But this is absolutely but this. 1474 01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:21.920 Is their essential complaint with the so called sjw's it is. 1475 01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:26.920 It absolutely is. And that's the bizarre perverse thing about 1476 01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:32.880 it is that you know, they're very, very very angry 1477 01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:38.079 about criticism of their games and criticism of gamer culture, 1478 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:42.520 but to the point where you're excluded, you know, like 1479 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.239 we don't even want to hear it, and they see 1480 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:47.880 it as just utter blasphemy, like no way, we will 1481 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:50.720 not tolerate it, and we will. We will get advertisers 1482 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:54.239 to pull their money out, and you know, if news 1483 01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:56.760 outlets write thing bad things about us, we will have 1484 01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:00.399 you know, letter writing campaigns and harassment campaigns and all 1485 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.680 this kind of stuff, right to shut those people down 1486 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:08.159 and to try and influence the public discourse towards a 1487 01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:11.640 positive image of gamer gait. But it's a positive image 1488 01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:15.359 that almost can't exist because of the nature of their 1489 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.159 actions and because of the nature of the people that 1490 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:22.000 they associate with, you know, just by virtue of being 1491 01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:25.960 on the same end of the ideological spectrum. Right when 1492 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:31.239 you're that far into the extremities of the right wing 1493 01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:36.119 libertarian worldview, the other people standing with you at that 1494 01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:38.359 pole are a certain type. 1495 01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.840 And this brings another important point and a reflection I 1496 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:44.640 had looking at that poster and thinking about it. There's 1497 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:49.560 sort of two worlds happening in parallel. There's the grown 1498 01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:56.439 up world where corporations and private businesses and governments and 1499 01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.680 so on do whatever they're doing in the Amazon, and 1500 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.159 the response to that are the activist groups who have 1501 01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:06.039 funding and they're growing ups, and they do campaigns and 1502 01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:09.439 they get in there and they have actions against governments 1503 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:11.439 and they do whatever they can to sort of address 1504 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:15.680 those issues. But then there's the reflection of that world 1505 01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:21.039 and what is essentially the children's world. The children's world 1506 01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:25.000 where people fight about these issues on the Internet between 1507 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:27.720 video gamers and Twitter windurers. 1508 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:32.199 Right, people who still think there's an argument about whether 1509 01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:35.279 racism is okay or not, or people who still think 1510 01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:40.199 there's an argument about whether our current climate of capitalism 1511 01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:42.239 is a good idea or not, you. 1512 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:46.920 Know, children exactly, essentially children. And I think it's really 1513 01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:51.800 telling that Eli's focus in terms of the global issues 1514 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:56.800 of play here skews towards the children. His global view 1515 01:28:57.399 --> 01:29:01.640 is based on how children are arguing about these ideas 1516 01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:03.600 on the fucking Internet. 1517 01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:09.680 Yeah, it's pretty telling that the perspectives that Eli Roth 1518 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:14.720 is choosing to use his marketing campaign to elevate are 1519 01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:20.279 not perhaps the more mature perspectives of you know, actual 1520 01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:24.319 you know, non government organizations, you know, activists and indigenous 1521 01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:27.079 people who are actually working on the ground in these situations, 1522 01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:32.840 and instead is looking towards this sort of insulated, immature 1523 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:36.960 world of people who are really wrapped up in their 1524 01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:43.600 self image as seeing themselves as dispossessed white men largely, 1525 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:46.560 who feel as if they've had all this stuff taken 1526 01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:48.319 away from them, you know, who feel as if they've 1527 01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:52.159 lost their their premissy, you know, and they're kind of 1528 01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:55.239 wondering what happened? Why can't I call people fags anymore? 1529 01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:55.960 You know? 1530 01:29:56.600 --> 01:30:00.239 What do you mean? I can't call women pussies? What 1531 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:03.439 do you mean? You know, it's this outrage. It's like 1532 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:05.319 I used to be able to say whatever I want. 1533 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:08.159 I used to be able to do whatever I want, 1534 01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:10.760 you know, I used to be able to get to 1535 01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:14.520 make rape jokes and nobody cringed, you know, and people 1536 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:17.399 didn't judge me for it. And now all of a sudden, 1537 01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:20.479 you know, I'm having to hear all these perspectives from 1538 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:23.880 minorities that I didn't really have to hear anymore, you know, 1539 01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:27.439 because they weren't around. They're not on television, they're not 1540 01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:30.319 on you know, the mainstream news, and they're not on 1541 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:34.079 all these outlets that we control that these you know, 1542 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:38.800 straight white men largely control. So on the Internet, all 1543 01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:40.239 of a sudden, man, I got to hear all this 1544 01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:45.479 stuff from gays and lesbians and transgendered people and you know, 1545 01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:50.880 black people, Indigenous people, you know, all kinds of people 1546 01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:54.359 all over the place with their inspectives and people who 1547 01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:57.239 have really have one thing in common and in that 1548 01:30:57.720 --> 01:31:02.920 they have been marginalized by white Western culture have been 1549 01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:06.640 shut out of these conversations. And instead of seeing this 1550 01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:11.439 ability for these people to join the global conversation on 1551 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:15.199 the same level playing field as everyone else on the internet, 1552 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:18.319 instead of seeing that as a positive thing. They see 1553 01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.159 that as a diminishment of their premissy in the world, 1554 01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:27.399 and it fills them with just absolute fear. It's sad, 1555 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.840 I mean, at heart, it's a very sad thing. Because 1556 01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:33.840 as much as I hate to say that, I don't 1557 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:35.720 think all, you know, as much as it's easy to 1558 01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:38.760 say all these people are all idiot douchebags, I don't 1559 01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:42.079 think they are. I think they're just people who don't 1560 01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:44.319 know where their place in the world is. And they're scared, 1561 01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:47.560 and they're lashing out, you know, and they're awfully frustrated, 1562 01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:49.960 and they don't know what else to do. And so 1563 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:52.520 here they are striking out the people that they think 1564 01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:54.239 have diminished them. 1565 01:31:54.520 --> 01:31:56.720 Why the answers are all right here in this sculpture. 1566 01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:01.039 Take for instance, what this represents us. Here is the 1567 01:32:01.159 --> 01:32:05.840 struggle of the races, men's inhumanity to man. It's true, 1568 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:08.279 all the shining hope of a new brotherhood. 1569 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:11.039 See the girl has gone basship. 1570 01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:13.680 I'm all alone. 1571 01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:17.000 Well, I'm all alone in this house. 1572 01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:21.960 Isn't anybody else interested in our poland standards? 1573 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:27.439 Our wild is come and crumbling down. The coons are coming. 1574 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:32.760 Cauchy twelve percent of. 1575 01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:34.800 The population is black, there should be a lot of 1576 01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:36.119 black families living out here. 1577 01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:40.039 Yeah, this is only a beginning, but I think it's wonderful. Wonderful. 1578 01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:42.760 Huh, Well, let's see how wonderful it is when a 1579 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:49.680 watermelon Ryan's come flying on the way. So this is 1580 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.920 at the very core of what I think these groups 1581 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:56.920 are failing to recognize, is that there is a big 1582 01:32:57.079 --> 01:33:01.119 difference between the kind of trials and tribute relations that 1583 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:05.479 these repressed groups face and why they feel they need 1584 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:08.279 to have a voice, and why now with the Internet 1585 01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:10.680 they have one. Like when you made a cannibal movie 1586 01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:13.199 in the eighties, who was going to complain about it? 1587 01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:14.159 They didn't have a voice. 1588 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:15.399 Now they do exactly. 1589 01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:18.399 And it's this failure to and again with the youth 1590 01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:21.279 culture when we're talking about anyone under the age of 1591 01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.600 twenty five, because apparently the human brain takes twenty five 1592 01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:28.119 years to properly develop, you don't have all the mechanisms 1593 01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:31.760 in place. You can't really think compassionately very easily, especially 1594 01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:35.239 when you're a young male and you just filled with testosterone. 1595 01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:37.920 It really does cloud your judgment. And I see, like 1596 01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:40.960 you sent me links to some of these discussions that 1597 01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:44.800 were happening in places like Reddit, and I really see 1598 01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:50.720 this mentality there, and I actually understand the mentality because 1599 01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:54.199 I connected to it myself. You know, I grew up 1600 01:33:54.319 --> 01:33:57.399 as a kid in the seventies and my big hero 1601 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.399 was Said Vicious from the Sex Pistols. And what was 1602 01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:04.079 Said Vicious famous for, amongst many things, he'd walk around 1603 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:08.880 with a swastika T shirt on in post war Britain, 1604 01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:13.239 one generation after we'd been bombed by the Germans and 1605 01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:17.399 people died horrendously and everyone knew someone who died, or 1606 01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:20.439 we came from a whole generation of men who fought 1607 01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:24.720 in World War II against Hitler. Sid Vicious in nineteen 1608 01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:32.000 seventy seven whilst around England with a brazen swastika on 1609 01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:36.439 his T shirt. Now, I don't believe Sid Vicious was 1610 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:40.239 particularly a fan of the Nazi movement. Who knows, I 1611 01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:42.279 don't think so. He was a kid anyway, he probably 1612 01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:44.840 never really thought through it. But the impulse was coming 1613 01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:50.920 from just being so antagonistic to the moral guardians of society, 1614 01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:54.920 who was a youthful rebellion, spitting in the face of 1615 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:58.079 the people telling him how he should behave. And I 1616 01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:01.319 see that with these kids on the internet, and they're 1617 01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:05.520 sentiments because they seem to just viciously hate anyone that 1618 01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:10.439 demonstrates any sensitivity or compassion. They'll just rip them to shreds. 1619 01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:13.199 So if you're on the internet doing a hashtag going oh, 1620 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:16.640 we gotta stop hating the poor little babies in Rwanda 1621 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:19.319 or whatever, they'll descend on you like a pack of 1622 01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:22.399 walls and rip you to pieces because they delight in 1623 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:27.920 the merciless lack of compassion. And again, it's a youth thing. 1624 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:32.560 We're talking about brains that haven't fully developed. So if 1625 01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:34.920 anyone under the age of twenty five is listening to this, 1626 01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:39.000 keep that in mind. Your brain isn't fully awaken yet. 1627 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:42.960 So before you act and make any decisions, spend a 1628 01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:48.720 bit of time just dating, reflecting to compensate for that 1629 01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:50.399 lack of neural development. 1630 01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:54.319 Yeah, I think your example is really really act with 1631 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:57.600 said vicious and the swastika, and they're just big like 1632 01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:01.960 fuck you, you know everybody, right, I mean, that's what 1633 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:05.399 that was about. It wasn't an expression of national socialism. 1634 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:09.399 It was an expression of fuck anybody who tells me 1635 01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:13.800 I can't do this right, And I mean that speaks 1636 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:16.920 to me as well, you know, like the sex pistols 1637 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.199 totally spoke to me, you know, and still do to 1638 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.039 this day. So I get where this comes from. And 1639 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.520 the interesting thing is a lot of you have to 1640 01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:29.560 understand that where where this started, where this movement sort 1641 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:33.000 of sprang from. I was a website called four Chan, 1642 01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:37.600 and you know, I was a I've been paying attention 1643 01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:39.600 to what's going on on four Chan for a long 1644 01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:42.439 long time. I used to regularly visit the site around 1645 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.359 you know, I don't know, the early two thousands, and 1646 01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:48.479 I saw this come up, and the early people who 1647 01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:53.439 posted on four Chan practiced this sort of ironic hatred 1648 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:56.079 right where it's like, we're going to use the most 1649 01:36:56.439 --> 01:36:59.279 awful terms possible, and we're going to speak about people 1650 01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:02.880 in the most disgusting terms possible, where you can use racist, 1651 01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:06.399 awful terms, and we're gonna use bigoted, homophobic, you know, 1652 01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:08.680 language all over the place, and we're gonna do it. 1653 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:11.840 Why not because we feel this way, but because fuck you, 1654 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:14.680 that's why, you know. And there was a very sort 1655 01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:17.880 of punk rock very much. You know, you're not gonna 1656 01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:20.279 tell us how we're allowed to communicate, and we're going 1657 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:24.479 to recontextualize all this stuff, and it was it was 1658 01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:28.159 wanting to be transgressive, you know, and you really very 1659 01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:30.439 much got the sense that this was an outlet for people. 1660 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:34.079 This was a way for people who were basically fucking 1661 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:39.560 living in cubicles and city corporate jobs, or otherwise feeling 1662 01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:43.039 sort of downtrodden by a society to sort of push 1663 01:37:43.159 --> 01:37:47.520 back against it a bit. And unfortunately, what we've learned 1664 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:52.880 is that ironic hate only really seems to provide shelter 1665 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:58.000 for real hate, right because drop the single biggest sin 1666 01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:01.640 you could commit onfourtune was dropping the act and actually 1667 01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:03.159 being sincere right. 1668 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:05.680 So you couldn't you couldn't come out and say you're 1669 01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:06.199 a faggot. 1670 01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:08.079 And then when somebody was like, hey man, you know 1671 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:09.840 that hurt my feelings, well, first of all, even to me, 1672 01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:12.079 that hurt your feelings, forget it. You're going to get 1673 01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:14.800 ripped apart. But then if you if someone would apologize 1674 01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:16.640 and say, oh, you know what, I'm really not a bigot. 1675 01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:18.760 You know, I'm using that word because I'm just trying 1676 01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:21.239 to be transgressive, and you know, this is this is 1677 01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:24.079 all just a big show. You couldn't do that. That 1678 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:27.359 was strictly forbidden you know, that was not part of 1679 01:38:27.439 --> 01:38:30.000 the playbook. Part of the playbook was sticking to the 1680 01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:33.039 script and making all the people who visited that site 1681 01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:37.399 convinced that this was some insane, crazy place on the 1682 01:38:37.479 --> 01:38:40.119 Internet where anything could happen, and it was this wild, 1683 01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:45.359 anarchic place, and because of that, it provided this perfect 1684 01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:48.760 shelter for people who actually did have bigoted opinions to 1685 01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:52.800 come and express them completely freely, completely openly, and not 1686 01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:57.199 only not be shouted down for them, but be congratulated, 1687 01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:01.960 encouraged and validated. And you put that in a pressure 1688 01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:05.239 cooker for a decade, and now you have a site 1689 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.640 like reddit. You know, twentieth largest website in the world. 1690 01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.880 It's also considered now by the Southern Poverty Law Center 1691 01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:15.079 to be the fastest growing hate site on the planet. 1692 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:19.520 You know, there are groups within Reddit who have been 1693 01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:23.680 specifically identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as potential 1694 01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:27.640 hate groups and active hate groups. You've got you know, 1695 01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:31.840 these gamergators posting on their you know, they have their 1696 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:35.239 own subreddits. The same people, though, are also posting on 1697 01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:40.600 other subreddits like coon Town, which is a completely openly 1698 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:46.239 racist shithole where people openly you know, denigrate black people. 1699 01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:50.560 You know, it's some of the most awful, vile racism 1700 01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:54.079 we've seen, and it is actively encouraged by the Reddit 1701 01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:58.119 community and seen as a legitimate part of a spectrum 1702 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:01.439 of free speech, you know. And then so their rights 1703 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:06.039 to basically act like bigots and shout down minorities on 1704 01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:09.079 the site are protected as well. They're free to do so. Well, 1705 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:10.880 that's the price of free speech is you have to 1706 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:13.720 deal with you have to deal with bigotry. And we're 1707 01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:17.319 not going to try and maybe discourage that in our community. 1708 01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:21.079 We're going to let it flourish. And so from coon Town, 1709 01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:24.680 you've got people connected to sites like the Daily Stormer. 1710 01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:29.319 And the Daily Stormer is a news website. It's all, 1711 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:34.159 you know, sort of white power, extreme right wing news, 1712 01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:37.800 if you can call it that. And we now know 1713 01:40:38.439 --> 01:40:41.960 that Dylan Roof, the Charleston shooter, was an active poster 1714 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.760 on the Daily Stormer and may have also been a 1715 01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:49.079 poster on coon Town. So what we're seeing here is 1716 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:54.159 this ironic online hate that nobody really took seriously a 1717 01:40:54.239 --> 01:41:03.359 decade ago is now real hate that's recruiting real, dangerous, dispossessed, 1718 01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:07.640 disaffected people to its cause. And who are actually going 1719 01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:11.840 out into the real world and committing actual violence upon people. 1720 01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:18.640 And it's that confluence of events that makes marketing to 1721 01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:23.760 these people in my mind, dangerous and so irresponsible, you know, 1722 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:28.159 because let's not forget that, you know, coontown all this 1723 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.640 white supremacist stuff. They don't really have the highest opinion 1724 01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:36.960 of Jews either. Popular sight on there was called you know, 1725 01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:39.119 forgive me for saying it, but there was a popular 1726 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:42.760 subredit for a long time called gas the Kikes, you know, 1727 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:47.760 and there was significant overlap. They've done really extensive studies 1728 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:50.479 of this, and there's significant overlap between people posting and 1729 01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:54.000 gamer Gate related science, people posting in coon Town, people 1730 01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:57.079 posting in sights like gas the Caikes. There's another site 1731 01:41:57.159 --> 01:42:02.199 called the goyam No and it's just full of awful, awful, awful, 1732 01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:07.600 just anti Semitic stereotypes and awful awful, just the most 1733 01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:11.239 bigoted language you could use against Jews. Imaginable. So to 1734 01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:17.520 imagine that here's these people being courted and marketed to 1735 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:22.600 when they're actually part of a core of online hatred 1736 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:27.319 that is killing people and driving women into hiding and 1737 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:31.800 harassing people, you know, right off the internet. Harassing people 1738 01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:34.479 right out of any sort of public spaces where they 1739 01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:36.880 might feel safe. I mean, that's what these people are 1740 01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:39.840 up to. And so that's why when you see them 1741 01:42:39.960 --> 01:42:43.960 being marketed to by somebody, you've got to understand that 1742 01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:48.520 that's either somebody who has no idea who the hell 1743 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:53.199 it is that they're trying to woo, or they know 1744 01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:56.560 exactly who it is they're trying to woo. And I 1745 01:42:56.680 --> 01:43:01.520 guess that's really the question, right, does he lrov understand 1746 01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:04.920 who he's coming after here? Do does he understand the 1747 01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:08.720 people that he is trying to get onto his side, 1748 01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:13.399 or is he getting involved in something that he's way 1749 01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:14.800 out of his depth on. 1750 01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:18.600 Well, the funny thing about Eli and these gamergates is 1751 01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:20.720 some of the links that you sent me to I 1752 01:43:20.840 --> 01:43:22.680 went on there and they were saying things like, you 1753 01:43:22.760 --> 01:43:25.640 know what, even though he's a Jew, I guess he's 1754 01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:29.680 okay because he hates the SJWs. So I guess he's okay. 1755 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:32.279 I'll give him him a pass on that. So, and 1756 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:35.920 the other thing is another guy was saying, it's kind 1757 01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:41.720 of creepy that a grown up is using the term sjw's, 1758 01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:44.680 isn't it. So it's like all these kids almost snickering 1759 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:47.479 about Eli, the fact that he's Jewish, the fact that 1760 01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:49.800 he's a grown up. And I want you think about this. 1761 01:43:50.439 --> 01:43:53.479 He's been retweeting some of these like twenty year old 1762 01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:57.520 video gamers renting about the sjuws and so on. He's 1763 01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:02.800 a forty three year old man, he's retweeting games like 1764 01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:06.319 that's his perspective. I want you to think about that 1765 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:07.840 for a minute. And jes State. 1766 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.039 Social justice warriors of the world, here's a little bit 1767 01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:15.800 of advice from Alpha Maga said. If you're so offended 1768 01:44:16.039 --> 01:44:19.680 by everything, how about this, go to a fucking island 1769 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:23.039 with all the other fucking social justice warriors on a 1770 01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:26.039 little collectivists, all your motherfuckers that are just so easily 1771 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:28.680 offended and bothered by everything, and sit on that island 1772 01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:31.600 and do nothing but torture one another because nobody wants 1773 01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:33.239 to hear you, nobody wants to see nobody wants to 1774 01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:34.279 deal with you, nobody. 1775 01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:36.079 Even wants to have you the fuck around, because you 1776 01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:41.319 pollute the goddamn environment with your idiocy that is running 1777 01:44:41.399 --> 01:44:43.439 rampant and never fucking ending. 1778 01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:47.000 So, getting back to the petition, given the fact that 1779 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:52.680 there was so many obviously weird, suspicious things potentially about it. 1780 01:44:53.079 --> 01:44:56.640 I was really surprised, disheartened. Actually, in a way, I 1781 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.880 wasn't surprised, because I've grown to have absolutely no faith 1782 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:03.119 in this as a culture of journalism. Absolutely, I don't 1783 01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:05.920 think you have either, No No, So I guess I 1784 01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:09.600 wasn't surprised, but I was disheartened to see that none 1785 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:11.439 of the horror sites that I went to that were 1786 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:16.880 picking up the story even questioned the legitimacy of the petition. 1787 01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:19.960 You know, the number one horror sites obviously is bloody disgust. 1788 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:22.000 And they're far from the only ones who ran with 1789 01:45:22.079 --> 01:45:25.279 this without questioning it. But they did. And the article 1790 01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:28.960 was called some idiot is petitioning for the Green and 1791 01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:31.760 Fear and No to be boycotted. And I was written 1792 01:45:31.800 --> 01:45:34.840 by a bloke named Jonathan Barkin, And he goes on 1793 01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:37.680 to say A few days ago, director Eli Roth spoke 1794 01:45:37.720 --> 01:45:40.479 about his upcoming cannibal horror film The Green and Feno 1795 01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:44.199 in an interview, explaining that the characters we'd be seeing 1796 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:50.319 on screen where caricatures of Sjaw's those people online who 1797 01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:54.479 find a fence at every single little thing and seemingly 1798 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:58.880 don't find anything in life to enjoy. While cannibal films 1799 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:02.720 never really interested me. Roth's comments shot the Green and 1800 01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:06.199 Phano to the top of my must see list because 1801 01:46:06.279 --> 01:46:09.239 those people irritate the hell out of me. And this 1802 01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:12.680 is the common sentiment that you see basically with everyone 1803 01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:15.840 who picked up the story and commented on a petition. 1804 01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:19.000 He goes on to say, as if on cue and 1805 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:23.319 in a shockingly ironic move, a petition has been created 1806 01:46:23.680 --> 01:46:28.479 by these sjw's to have the film boycotted, if not 1807 01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:32.359 outright canceled. So here's the thing, and here's the problem. 1808 01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:35.680 If we accept the petition of face value that it's 1809 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:40.119 a statement from Amazon Watch, they are legitimately equating Amazon 1810 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:46.640 Watch with slacktivists. Again, real activism with slack divism, adults 1811 01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:50.880 with children. These are the kind of confused parallels that 1812 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:53.479 Elias set up with his marketing campaign. 1813 01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:56.840 Yeah, they don't seem to understand that like Amazon Watch 1814 01:46:56.960 --> 01:47:01.680 is a legitimate non government organization, that it's not you know, 1815 01:47:02.079 --> 01:47:05.640 a bunch of you know, it's not a bunch of 1816 01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:09.119 you know, hipsters and skinny jeans, you know, tweeting about 1817 01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:13.479 stuff on their iPhones. These are people doing legitimate work 1818 01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:15.319 in a very legitimate field. 1819 01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:18.399 And the other thing that bothers me is first of all, 1820 01:47:19.119 --> 01:47:22.680 not questioning its legitimacy. And it's obviously you know, even 1821 01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:25.319 the fans in the comments are going, dude, it's obviously 1822 01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:29.039 marketing hype. But they're not reaching out to Amazon for 1823 01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:33.640 a statement to verify the legitimacy of the petition. Why 1824 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:35.880 not just make a phone call? Why not write an email? 1825 01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:37.119 These guys are on the internet. 1826 01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:39.720 Yeah, and these are people who ostensibly want to call 1827 01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:43.239 themselves journalists, and at every turn, well we'll try and 1828 01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:46.039 you know, convince people that they should be taken seriously 1829 01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:49.479 as writers and journalists. And yet they seem to just 1830 01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:53.479 want to uncritically reprint whatever sort of put in front 1831 01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:57.159 of them. And they're not showing any interest whatsoever into 1832 01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:01.439 getting into this story behind the story. And actually, I 1833 01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:03.239 don't know being a reporter. 1834 01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:06.680 Another thing that I saw in one instance after another 1835 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:09.880 after another. Now Bloody discussed and actually did go to 1836 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:13.600 the trouble of reprinting the content of the petition, but 1837 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:19.479 there's no commentary of substance about anything in the petition, 1838 01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:22.439 the statement attributed to Amazon Watch. It was just all 1839 01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:25.800 railing against the fact that somebody was calling for a boycott. So, 1840 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:30.880 because nobody has addressed the substance of that statement, I'm 1841 01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:33.800 going to read it now so that we can think 1842 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:37.720 on it and let it ges date for a minute. Yes, 1843 01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:42.520 the statement says, films like this have always portrayed negative 1844 01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:48.960 stereotypes against Indigenous people as brute savages. These films have 1845 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:54.000 psychological effect as Indigenous people have been through colonial trauma, 1846 01:48:54.119 --> 01:48:59.640 assimilate into white culture, being taught self hate Westerners or 1847 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:05.840 on un fortunately ignorant about Amazonian Indigenous cultures and depicting 1848 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:10.920 them in such a violent story dehumanizes their peoples and 1849 01:49:11.119 --> 01:49:15.760 couldn't be father from reality. Shame on you as a storyteller. 1850 01:49:16.199 --> 01:49:20.880 You hold a great responsibility to influence others. Propagating such 1851 01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:24.640 hate towards peoples who have been ravaged and raped for 1852 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:29.319 decades by white supremacist culture is not constructive in our 1853 01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:33.279 fight to save the Amazon. Most Indigenous communities are more 1854 01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:36.000 in tune with nature than you'll ever be and would 1855 01:49:36.039 --> 01:49:39.800 never conceive of such violence for profit. It's a shame. 1856 01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:44.880 We should be creating stories that accurately depict Indigenous way 1857 01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:50.359 of life, which is holistic, sustainable, spiritual, and harmonious with 1858 01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:54.199 our earth and brothers and sisters, If you want to 1859 01:49:54.279 --> 01:49:57.880 save the Amazon and stop China from buying leases to 1860 01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:02.680 drill oil, make a story depicting the corporate shills for 1861 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:05.880 the murderers that they really are. You don't have to 1862 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:10.920 create racist, offensive, inaccurate crap to get people to care 1863 01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:14.760 about the most biodiverased place on the earth. And if 1864 01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:17.399 you really want to make a difference, give your money 1865 01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:21.479 to organizations like us who are the people on the 1866 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:26.239 ground standing up for indigenous rights and making tangible change. 1867 01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:31.720 Indigenous peoples are the key to preserving the Amazon. If 1868 01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:34.840 we don't respect and empower them, we will lose the 1869 01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:39.520 lungs of our planet. They should be honored and respected. 1870 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:41.039 Amazon watch. 1871 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:49.640 Those noted SJW slacktivists. Amazon watch. And this really is 1872 01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:55.520 where the incoherence starts to culminate, Right, It all starts 1873 01:50:55.560 --> 01:51:00.239 to come to a head. The entire nonsensical Native sure 1874 01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:05.199 of this marketing campaign, right is are they really going 1875 01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:10.439 after a group like this who is making a very 1876 01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:14.000 real difference or are they going after hipsters? 1877 01:51:14.279 --> 01:51:14.439 Right? 1878 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:17.720 I mean, this is this is what it comes down to. 1879 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:21.600 They're trying to make these people the equivalent of those 1880 01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:24.439 fucking asshole hipsters that nobody can stand. 1881 01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:29.800 If Eli's behind this petition as a marketing store, we 1882 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:31.880 don't know. I mean, alls we know at this point 1883 01:51:32.439 --> 01:51:35.279 is that nothing about this petition shows up anywhere on 1884 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:38.239 Amazon Watch, and none of the horror sites reporting on 1885 01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:41.640 it have bothered to look into the source of it. 1886 01:51:42.199 --> 01:51:46.119 Not just the horror sites, but bigger news organizations. Too. 1887 01:51:46.319 --> 01:51:51.000 Bright Butts, the super hardcore right wing libertarian news site, 1888 01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:56.319 picked up the story with the title enough entire entertainment 1889 01:51:56.479 --> 01:52:00.000 industry says no more to social justice warry. 1890 01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:04.000 Is I don't know, when you know Eli Roth became 1891 01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:08.600 the entire entertainment industry? You know like that, I mean 1892 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:11.039 it's hyperboly right off the bat, but yeah, it's great. 1893 01:52:11.039 --> 01:52:14.359 Well, they mentioned all the comedians and stuff in context 1894 01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:16.520 of that article, so they're just making a case that, 1895 01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:20.960 you know, Hollywood's coming out to speak out against the SGWS, 1896 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:26.039 but interestingly Eli Roth is becoming their poster boy. So 1897 01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:29.800 talk about that article, like, describe the article and who 1898 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:33.279 wrote the article and what your impressions of it were. 1899 01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:37.039 So right away, it's funny because as soon as this 1900 01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:40.760 article sort of popped up on my radar, you know, 1901 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:43.319 I saw it was Breitbart, and I you know, so 1902 01:52:43.479 --> 01:52:46.359 obviously it's like, oh boy, Breitbart, Okay, huge, you know, 1903 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:49.039 right wing site. You kind of know what you're about 1904 01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:51.079 to get into. And then you click on it and 1905 01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:54.239 you see the byline. And the byline is extremely important 1906 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:59.720 because one of the authors is Milo Janopolis. And I 1907 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:02.720 hope that I'm not you know, butchering his name too badly. 1908 01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:07.840 But he is a extremely well known figure in the 1909 01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:13.399 gamer gate community. He's a journalist for Breitbart who has 1910 01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:18.840 largely used his position at Breitbart to amplify the gamer 1911 01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:22.840 gate message. He's written all kinds of articles about gamer 1912 01:53:22.920 --> 01:53:25.800 Gate and about gamer Gate issues and the whole anti 1913 01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:31.279 SJW movement and the entire sort of free speech absolutist movement, 1914 01:53:31.479 --> 01:53:33.880 which all these things sort of get tied up into. 1915 01:53:34.560 --> 01:53:39.239 So Milo is not just sort of some bystander. Milo 1916 01:53:39.399 --> 01:53:43.359 is somebody who's actively trying to help create a media 1917 01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:48.920 narrative of gamer Gate being this popular movement for ethics 1918 01:53:49.319 --> 01:53:54.239 and to fight against the oppressive scourge of you know, 1919 01:53:54.279 --> 01:53:58.000 the sjaws. And so he's attempting, in a way to 1920 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:01.279 create these heroes for they might and to show that, yes, 1921 01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:05.319 Hollywood supports us. You know, the creative industries are behind us. 1922 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:09.159 You know, they support our concepts of free speech, and 1923 01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:12.319 they support the fact that we want to have subredits 1924 01:54:12.359 --> 01:54:15.039 called gas the Caykes and you know all that stuff. 1925 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:17.439 It gets I mean, it gets really crazy when you 1926 01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:22.920 start observing it and understanding who is putting this message 1927 01:54:22.960 --> 01:54:25.640 out and what their motives are. 1928 01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:30.399 He goes on to say, seemingly determined to prove rothriights. 1929 01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:34.319 A change dot org petition has called on the director 1930 01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:38.119 to cancel the launch of the Green Infano on the 1931 01:54:38.239 --> 01:54:42.439 grounds that it dehumanizes Indigenous people. But the petition looks 1932 01:54:42.520 --> 01:54:49.680 like damage control to prevent dehumanizing undignified sjw's again another 1933 01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:56.239 journalist not questioning the petition and castigating this group. And 1934 01:54:56.920 --> 01:55:00.640 you know, because it's convenient, because it supports their that 1935 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:04.399 this would be a legitimate cry of outrage, and because 1936 01:55:04.399 --> 01:55:08.680 it reveals the horrible nature of the sgw's. 1937 01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:10.760 Yeah, and Milo's involvement here. I mean, this was definitely 1938 01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:13.960 another signal that hold on a minute, things are not 1939 01:55:14.199 --> 01:55:18.680 all what they seem here. You know, like there's something 1940 01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:23.439 hinky about this petition. There's something kinky about this whole story, 1941 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:27.880 because if Milo's involved, you just kind of know that 1942 01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:30.319 there's something else going on. And when I saw this, 1943 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:33.520 I was pretty convinced at that point that, Yep, I'm 1944 01:55:33.560 --> 01:55:37.399 pretty sure that this petition was probably some kind of 1945 01:55:38.039 --> 01:55:42.520 you know eight chan, you know, something cooked up in irc, 1946 01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:45.000 something cooked up in eight chan by these you know, 1947 01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:48.840 gamer Gate and NTSJW types, this sort of false flag 1948 01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:51.199 operation they'd like to set up. As soon as I 1949 01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:54.720 saw Milo pumping this story, I thought, man, here it is, 1950 01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:57.279 you know, because he's the usual mouthpiece they sort of 1951 01:55:57.359 --> 01:56:00.159 feed things too, and he brings them out into a 1952 01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:03.560 larger media, so I thought, for sure that's what we 1953 01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:04.319 were looking at. 1954 01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:06.640 He does go on to make some interesting points that 1955 01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:10.920 are worth discussing. He mentions a situation that happened on 1956 01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:15.720 Twitter when a woman named Suie Park went on a 1957 01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:20.560 rampage against Colbert because she believed Colbert was making racist 1958 01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:24.680 jokes on Twitter, and what happened was as a satirical 1959 01:56:25.159 --> 01:56:30.760 response to something the Washington Redskins said Colbert made a joke. 1960 01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:34.159 He said, I am willing to show the Asian community 1961 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:38.760 that I care by introducing the Ching Chung Ding Dong 1962 01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:45.039 Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or whatever, which is obviously 1963 01:56:45.479 --> 01:56:48.600 it's a funny joke, but they took it out of context. 1964 01:56:48.640 --> 01:56:51.039 They put it on Twitter and not I guess, fully 1965 01:56:51.199 --> 01:56:55.960 understanding the context. This young Asian American woman saw it 1966 01:56:56.000 --> 01:56:58.560 as a racist joke, went on a rampage, did a 1967 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.760 cancel Colbert. She was all over the internet. Apparently everyone 1968 01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:04.960 hates on it for doing this, and obviously that was 1969 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:09.319 an hysterical response. And I think everyone who hates the 1970 01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:12.800 sjw's because it's just a popular sentiment in the culture 1971 01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:13.279 at large. 1972 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:14.039 They hate that. 1973 01:57:14.720 --> 01:57:16.640 They don't want to have people just flying off the 1974 01:57:16.720 --> 01:57:21.039 handle calling for censorship, calling for things to be shut down, 1975 01:57:21.079 --> 01:57:23.319 and I don't support that either. I don't support the 1976 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:26.520 petition against the movie. I don't support canceling Colbert for 1977 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:31.239 making a very pointed satirical view, of course, But because 1978 01:57:31.319 --> 01:57:33.079 I guess I'm over the age of twenty five of 1979 01:57:33.159 --> 01:57:36.079 my brain has developed. I can look at things from 1980 01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:39.399 another point of view, and I can imagine the frustration 1981 01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:44.439 that maybe a young Asian American woman might feel growing 1982 01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:48.760 up in a culture where, for the most part, it's 1983 01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:52.119 only fairly recently that Asians were starting to demonstrate a 1984 01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:56.279 more kind of diverse depiction in American culture, like in 1985 01:57:56.359 --> 01:57:57.960 the last like five years. I think. 1986 01:57:58.399 --> 01:58:02.520 Yeah, the progress has been like very recent, I think, 1987 01:58:02.920 --> 01:58:07.119 and it's still it's still nowhere where it needs to be, right, 1988 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:10.199 I mean this, the popular perception is still you know, oh, 1989 01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:13.880 you do karate and you know that kind of stuff, right, 1990 01:58:13.960 --> 01:58:18.000 it's ridiculous, Right, Imagine living with that. Imagine growing up 1991 01:58:18.039 --> 01:58:25.880 your whole life and it's it's chopsak, kung fu, chopsticks, meat, Chinese, 1992 01:58:26.720 --> 01:58:30.560 you know, sideways vagina like like just imagine, you know, 1993 01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:33.000 like that's your whole bloody life coming up. 1994 01:58:33.079 --> 01:58:35.680 Yeah, and you grow up with one depiction after another. Way, 1995 01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:39.640 especially women, there's two stereotypes. There's the subcessive sex slave. 1996 01:58:40.039 --> 01:58:43.039 There's also then the dragon lady, the exotic temptress, and 1997 01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:45.439 also the fact that she may have even been called 1998 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:48.199 ching Chung ding dong growing up as a kid. Now, 1999 01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.720 I remember when Dexter came out, there was so much 2000 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:54.560 talk about like the character of Musaka as an agent, 2001 01:58:54.640 --> 01:58:57.560 Paerson having the particular attributes that he has, and he 2002 01:58:57.600 --> 01:58:59.560 said in an interview, going you know, people aren't used 2003 01:58:59.560 --> 01:59:02.399 to see an Asians being like the way I am, 2004 01:59:02.600 --> 01:59:05.640 being funny and being kind of pervated, you know, young 2005 01:59:05.720 --> 01:59:07.840 Asian men like this. It's a kind of a leap 2006 01:59:07.960 --> 01:59:12.039 forward in terms of depicting a more diverse face to 2007 01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:18.880 that culture. So while it's preposterous and silly to call 2008 01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:23.920 for Colbert to stop because of making a racist joke, 2009 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:27.720 you have to appreciate maybe the sum of the sentiment 2010 01:59:27.960 --> 01:59:32.399 behind that, the sensitivity, because it's not unjustified. 2011 01:59:32.640 --> 01:59:35.760 Here's what happened to me last Wednesday. I saluted Washington 2012 01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:39.840 Redskins owner Daniel Snyder for his new charity, the Washington 2013 01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:44.520 Redskins Original Americans Foundation, which some have called an obvious 2014 01:59:44.560 --> 01:59:47.399 attempt to win over Native Americans because it only uses 2015 01:59:47.479 --> 01:59:51.520 the term Redskins once in its name. Anyway, I was 2016 01:59:51.600 --> 01:59:55.039 so inspired by Nan Snyder's charitable outreach that I formed 2017 01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:58.239 my own charity, the Ching Chong Ding Dong Foundation for 2018 01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:00.680 Sensitivity to Orientals or whatever. 2019 02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:03.560 That was Wednesday. 2020 02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:07.760 Then around seven o'clock on Thursday, my network's promotional Twitter 2021 02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:11.479 account at Colbert Rapport twitted the name of my foundation 2022 02:00:11.640 --> 02:00:14.479 without providing a video link to the original segment or 2023 02:00:14.600 --> 02:00:18.399 mentioning that I was inspired by the Redskins charity. I mean, 2024 02:00:18.600 --> 02:00:21.000 who would have thought a means of communication limited to 2025 02:00:21.039 --> 02:00:24.079 one hundred and forty characters would ever create misunderstanding? 2026 02:00:26.039 --> 02:00:28.279 Then after that, after that. 2027 02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:33.319 When the twit hit the fan, the brain trust over 2028 02:00:33.399 --> 02:00:36.960 at my network took the tweet down, because that's how 2029 02:00:37.000 --> 02:00:39.720 the Internet works. You can just take stuff down and 2030 02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:45.000 no one will ever know what happened. Just ask Mari Wiener. Now, 2031 02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:48.119 I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus here, 2032 02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:51.359 mostly because I don't go that close to public transportation. 2033 02:00:52.560 --> 02:00:55.000 But when I saw the tweet with no context, I 2034 02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:58.279 understood how people were offended the same way I, as 2035 02:00:58.319 --> 02:01:01.479 an Irish American, was offended after reading only one line 2036 02:01:01.520 --> 02:01:05.520 of Jonathan Swift's a modest proposal, I mean, eat Irish babies. 2037 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:08.039 Hashtag cancel Swift trend it. 2038 02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:09.760 Now. 2039 02:01:16.760 --> 02:01:19.960 Now, all of this was started by a hashtag activist 2040 02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:25.239 or hashtivist who has been viciously attacked on Twitter. And 2041 02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:27.439 if anyone is doing that for me, I want you 2042 02:01:27.560 --> 02:01:30.560 to stop right now. She's just speaking her mind, and 2043 02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:33.680 that's what Twitter's for, as well as ruining the ending 2044 02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:38.840 of every show I haven't seen Yet now, to recap, 2045 02:01:39.640 --> 02:01:42.640 a web editor i've never met posts a tweet in 2046 02:01:42.840 --> 02:01:46.039 my name on an account I don't control, outrage is 2047 02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:49.399 a hashtag activist and the news media gets seventy two 2048 02:01:49.479 --> 02:01:50.399 hours of content. 2049 02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:52.000 The system worked. 2050 02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:55.840 And again though, this goes back to that point of 2051 02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:58.680 the fact that this is a child responding to an 2052 02:01:58.720 --> 02:02:01.479 issue without really thinking through and the people hating on 2053 02:02:01.600 --> 02:02:05.199 her children. And you know, adults can have these discussions 2054 02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:09.359 and examine these things, and Eli isn't in that vein 2055 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:12.439 of where the adults are talking about it. He's in 2056 02:02:12.600 --> 02:02:14.800 the children's vein. So what does he do with this 2057 02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:18.439 bright bar piece. He goes running to his Facebook page, 2058 02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:21.960 posting it, blasting it out on the Green and Fano 2059 02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:26.720 Facebook page with the title no more Social Justice Warriors. 2060 02:02:27.479 --> 02:02:32.359 Read the article below and like if you agree that 2061 02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:39.600 this needs to stop. He's effectively turning the social justice 2062 02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:47.000 warriors into a political cause that people need to rally against. Effectively, 2063 02:02:47.199 --> 02:02:51.760 what he's asking his supporters to do is engage in slacktivism, 2064 02:02:52.279 --> 02:02:57.880 the very thing that he claims he's criticizing. The slacktivists 2065 02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:02.039 aka the activists who out there in the Amazon trying 2066 02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:04.560 to do something about the issue. I mean, this guy's 2067 02:03:04.640 --> 02:03:09.439 politics is so fucking befuddled. In his desperate attempt to 2068 02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:13.159 market a two year old movie, he's appealing to game 2069 02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:18.000 agates who begrudgingly accept them even though he's Jewish. He's 2070 02:03:18.079 --> 02:03:19.960 amplifying neo Nazis. 2071 02:03:20.399 --> 02:03:22.720 But that's the most disturbing part of this, you know, 2072 02:03:23.000 --> 02:03:27.359 is that by amplifying Milo's work in that way and 2073 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:32.199 validating Milo's work in that way, they're validating his readership. 2074 02:03:32.319 --> 02:03:34.960 They're validating the people who are reading his stuff and 2075 02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:38.640 getting worked into a frenzy and who are tweeting this 2076 02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:42.479 all over the place, and who are going, yeah, fucking Sjw's, 2077 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:45.800 you know, fuck those guys. And it's really like, it's 2078 02:03:45.920 --> 02:03:48.560 really bizarre because it's like, now we're getting into a 2079 02:03:48.680 --> 02:03:54.760 territory where you are working to promote the people who 2080 02:03:54.880 --> 02:03:59.000 are going to who actually want to do harm. And 2081 02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:01.960 that's what's back link to me is how how is 2082 02:04:02.039 --> 02:04:06.640 Eliroth using the marketing power of his name, of the 2083 02:04:06.760 --> 02:04:10.279 name of his film, and all the esteem that he 2084 02:04:10.359 --> 02:04:13.640 has built for himself. He's using all of that to 2085 02:04:13.800 --> 02:04:17.800 sell movie tickets to bigots, and that should disturb anyone. 2086 02:04:18.119 --> 02:04:20.840 So given the fact that the horror press failed yet 2087 02:04:20.920 --> 02:04:25.039 again to respond effectively to any kind of cultural relevance 2088 02:04:25.119 --> 02:04:28.279 of the horror genre, or do any real workers journalists, 2089 02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:31.359 I did something what none of them seemingly did. I 2090 02:04:31.560 --> 02:04:35.920 reached out to Amazon Watch to ask them about the petition. 2091 02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:39.920 And I have to say it wasn't It wasn't exactly. 2092 02:04:40.479 --> 02:04:42.319 I did a bit of work, you know, which is 2093 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:45.159 ironic being an ex horror journalist. 2094 02:04:45.680 --> 02:04:47.640 Yeah, I thought, I thought, you hung up the guns. 2095 02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:50.039 And I'll tell you it wasn't exactly easy. I had 2096 02:04:50.119 --> 02:04:53.920 to sort of write numerous emails, make numerous phone calls, 2097 02:04:54.479 --> 02:04:57.920 make numerous tweets before I got any kind of response 2098 02:04:58.000 --> 02:05:00.359 at all. The first thing I got was a statement 2099 02:05:00.399 --> 02:05:05.199 on Twitter, and they said Amazon Watch is not affiliated 2100 02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:11.000 with this petition. We have not formally released any statement 2101 02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:15.359 about the film. Now, of course that's on Twitter. Something 2102 02:05:15.399 --> 02:05:19.079 about the language. Actually suspected that Amazon Watch was somehow 2103 02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:23.359 implicated in the petition because they're saying we haven't formally 2104 02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:27.840 released any statement facial. Yeah, so they're not saying that 2105 02:05:28.159 --> 02:05:30.880 isn't an Amazon what statement. They're saying it's not a 2106 02:05:31.079 --> 02:05:34.479 formal Amazon Watch statement. So I'm thinking like two things 2107 02:05:34.560 --> 02:05:36.119 at this point, oh, three things. 2108 02:05:36.199 --> 02:05:36.479 Whatever. 2109 02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:41.600 Somewhere somebody affiliated with Amazon Watch either made the petition 2110 02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:44.439 and the group didn't want to have anything to do 2111 02:05:44.560 --> 02:05:49.319 with it, or Eli has taken a statement they made 2112 02:05:49.359 --> 02:05:52.079 to him and fed it to the marketing people and 2113 02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:54.159 they've ran with the petition. Yeah. 2114 02:05:54.239 --> 02:05:56.439 Yeah, we were thinking at one point that it was 2115 02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:01.000 like like Amazon Watched like contacted my Roth or the 2116 02:06:01.119 --> 02:06:05.359 production office privately and said, you know, hey, here's our 2117 02:06:05.479 --> 02:06:07.359 here's how we feel about your movie. Or they sent 2118 02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:10.680 him a letter, you know, outlining their concerns about the film, 2119 02:06:10.960 --> 02:06:14.079 and that that's where they got this this verbiage from them, 2120 02:06:14.560 --> 02:06:16.479 you know, and and so it kind of thickened the plot, right, 2121 02:06:16.560 --> 02:06:18.399 it's like, oh my goodness, this is you know, sort 2122 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:19.399 of taking another turn. 2123 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:22.319 Also, there was an update on the petition that was 2124 02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:25.319 sort of modified a couple of times. Initially, it said, 2125 02:06:25.359 --> 02:06:29.039 to clear up any confusion, this quotation and petition is 2126 02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:33.680 not an official statement by Amazon Watch. This petition is 2127 02:06:33.840 --> 02:06:39.239 created by individual activists to bring the social awareness of 2128 02:06:39.439 --> 02:06:42.720 this film. Now, after I reached out to Amazon Watching, 2129 02:06:42.760 --> 02:06:46.399 they made that statement. That update was modified slightly to 2130 02:06:46.520 --> 02:06:50.479 include the phrase. Although this quote does come from their 2131 02:06:50.640 --> 02:06:56.119 comment regarding the film. It is not an official statement. Clearly, 2132 02:06:56.560 --> 02:07:01.359 whoever is behind that petition is in content with Amazon Watch. 2133 02:07:01.399 --> 02:07:06.039 There's a dialogue. There's a dialogue happening behind the scenes. 2134 02:07:06.079 --> 02:07:08.560 So at this point I think we can safely rule 2135 02:07:08.640 --> 02:07:11.279 out that it's a game Agate hoax because they simply 2136 02:07:11.319 --> 02:07:14.680 wouldn't have any kind of private conversations. We don't know 2137 02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:19.800 who started the petition, but clearly Amazon Watch trying to 2138 02:07:19.920 --> 02:07:24.560 negotiate disclaimers behind the scenes, whether it's with Eli's marketing 2139 02:07:24.840 --> 02:07:29.439 or a rogue affiliate of the organization. Right, there was 2140 02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:34.880 another update there that largely reprinted a huge section of 2141 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:38.680 an article from another website. The website is Native Max 2142 02:07:38.800 --> 02:07:43.680 magazine and Indigenous website, and it was promoted as an 2143 02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:47.159 update with the title why we should boycott this film? 2144 02:07:47.840 --> 02:07:50.840 But if you click through, the title of the article 2145 02:07:50.960 --> 02:07:54.600 wasn't that at all. It says, from Tiger Lily to 2146 02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:59.880 Green and Ferno, why Indigenous representation in the media matters, 2147 02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:04.479 and it proceeds to take issue with Eli's ideas. So 2148 02:08:04.600 --> 02:08:07.399 a couple of things here. First of all, that completely 2149 02:08:07.600 --> 02:08:12.199 violates Eli's earlier asation in this magazine article that the 2150 02:08:12.319 --> 02:08:15.439 only people who will worry about the depiction of Indigenous 2151 02:08:15.479 --> 02:08:20.680 people are overly concerned North Americans who want to appear concent. 2152 02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:25.479 Yeah, it's overly concerned actual Indigenous people who are actually 2153 02:08:25.640 --> 02:08:28.800 concerned about how they're going to be portrayed in the 2154 02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:32.159 actual media. It's quite fascinating really. 2155 02:08:32.359 --> 02:08:34.800 That article was written by a journalist named Johnny J. 2156 02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:38.159 So I reached out again doing something more none of 2157 02:08:38.239 --> 02:08:40.920 the work, none of the Horror press even thought to do, 2158 02:08:41.319 --> 02:08:43.520 and said, hey, can you give me some insight onto 2159 02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:46.239 that petition? Do you know about it? Are you involved 2160 02:08:46.279 --> 02:08:48.760 in it? What's the story? And I got an email 2161 02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:52.039 back she said, and it's a woman. She said. It 2162 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:54.960 could very well be a marketing ploy, as no one 2163 02:08:55.079 --> 02:08:58.960 from the petition emailed or reached out to me, which 2164 02:08:59.079 --> 02:09:04.199 is odd considering the extensive use of my article. I 2165 02:09:04.279 --> 02:09:07.159 am on the bord of the nonprofit Not Your Mascots 2166 02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:10.239 and we are currently working with Amazon Watch on this 2167 02:09:10.399 --> 02:09:14.520 particular issue, and we have associates in Peru who were 2168 02:09:14.600 --> 02:09:17.399 looking into the film production as there are very strict 2169 02:09:17.479 --> 02:09:21.800 laws regarding contact with Indigenous people in certain areas, particularly 2170 02:09:22.359 --> 02:09:28.920 the Cougar Pekori, Nahoa Nanti Reserve. I'm sure I massacred that, 2171 02:09:29.039 --> 02:09:31.840 but I've never seen that written before. We're also looking 2172 02:09:31.960 --> 02:09:34.960 into what pre and aftercare was provided for the village, 2173 02:09:35.039 --> 02:09:38.239 since eli Roth made it very clear that they made 2174 02:09:38.279 --> 02:09:41.920 sure medical attention was available for their crew and actors, 2175 02:09:42.000 --> 02:09:44.399 but no mention of what was provided for the village. 2176 02:09:44.760 --> 02:09:49.239 It's awesome you mentioned Black Lives Matters because in a 2177 02:09:49.319 --> 02:09:54.159 recent promo for Green Inferno, they did mark Native Lives 2178 02:09:54.319 --> 02:10:00.920 Matter and Indigenous Lives Matters, two tags Thatatives are using 2179 02:10:01.039 --> 02:10:05.800 to discuss police brutality, the violation of treaty rights, the 2180 02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:09.800 murdered and missing Indigenous women, the attack on the Native 2181 02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:13.560 school children in South Dakota, as well as the genocide 2182 02:10:13.720 --> 02:10:18.880 and force relocation of Indigenous tribes in the Amazon. 2183 02:10:19.560 --> 02:10:20.439 It's unbelievable. 2184 02:10:21.119 --> 02:10:23.079 So we both thought that that was just a riff 2185 02:10:23.159 --> 02:10:27.760 on Black Lives Matter, but their real hashtags being used 2186 02:10:27.800 --> 02:10:34.199 by Indigenous people to discuss real life shit. Murde it, genocide, 2187 02:10:34.520 --> 02:10:38.359 force relocation, little more severe than people fucking with your 2188 02:10:38.439 --> 02:10:39.880 video games. You know what I mean. 2189 02:10:40.520 --> 02:10:42.520 You don't like these TV shows, you don't like these movies, 2190 02:10:42.560 --> 02:10:44.319 you don't like these video games, you don't like these comics. 2191 02:10:44.359 --> 02:10:46.560 You don't like this music, you'll like any of the stuff. 2192 02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:50.399 Don't just leave, just go away. Were listening to it, 2193 02:10:50.479 --> 02:10:52.479 quit reading it, quit playing it. Just put the shit 2194 02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:54.840 down and shut the fuck up. 2195 02:10:55.680 --> 02:10:59.279 Right right here and here he is putting their hashtags 2196 02:10:59.399 --> 02:11:02.399 up and basically encouraging the kind of people who are 2197 02:11:02.479 --> 02:11:05.720 the type to go on those hashtags and post a 2198 02:11:05.800 --> 02:11:10.039 bunch of absolute shit because that's their mo That what 2199 02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:13.600 these people do. It's absolutely stunning that here we are 2200 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:18.920 having a marketing campaign that is openly, openly putting out 2201 02:11:18.960 --> 02:11:22.720 there these hashtags for people to subvert and abuse. It's amazing. 2202 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:25.079 And at this point I'm thinking, Okay, Eli doesn't know 2203 02:11:25.239 --> 02:11:28.439 these are real indigenous hashtags, because now he's not just 2204 02:11:28.600 --> 02:11:34.840 lampooning slacktivists. It's gone waste than confusing slacktivists with activists. 2205 02:11:34.880 --> 02:11:37.840 Now he's going right to the very people themselves who 2206 02:11:37.960 --> 02:11:39.840 are affected by these issues. 2207 02:11:40.359 --> 02:11:43.840 Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's it cuts down another level deeper 2208 02:11:44.239 --> 02:11:48.239 where now it's not just activists. Now it's just indigenous 2209 02:11:48.319 --> 02:11:51.920 people with twitters, you know, who want to talk about 2210 02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:54.359 their issues that he's going to go after. Now, you know, 2211 02:11:54.600 --> 02:11:57.159 those are the people. We really need to, you know, 2212 02:11:57.279 --> 02:11:59.800 hold their feet to the fire and make sure they're 2213 02:11:59.840 --> 02:12:02.920 hell to account for all their crimes against society, let 2214 02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:03.479 me tell you. 2215 02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:07.479 And the astonishing thing is in all of this, Eli 2216 02:12:07.800 --> 02:12:11.359 isn't trying to get us to empathize with the genocide, 2217 02:12:11.439 --> 02:12:14.520 the mid of the missing children, the rape, the false relocation, 2218 02:12:14.680 --> 02:12:18.960 the exploitation of indigenous lens. He wants us to feel 2219 02:12:19.199 --> 02:12:22.319 sorry for the fucking video game is you didn't get 2220 02:12:22.359 --> 02:12:26.640 to see Elijah Douscu's tits in Wrong Tin. That's his 2221 02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:29.399 big social cause that he wants people to hit like 2222 02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:33.279 on his Facebook page over the slacktivists. 2223 02:12:32.800 --> 02:12:36.920 Free speech for tits, pre speech for tits, pre speech 2224 02:12:37.039 --> 02:12:37.399 for tit. 2225 02:12:38.399 --> 02:12:41.479 So we're here with Eli Roth, director of Green Inferno, 2226 02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:44.760 which I'm director of producer of Green Inferno, christ and 2227 02:12:44.960 --> 02:12:46.199 co writer and co writer. 2228 02:12:47.079 --> 02:12:48.119 I'm very excited to see this. 2229 02:12:48.239 --> 02:12:51.800 I'm curious with all the experience you have in this genre, 2230 02:12:52.399 --> 02:12:57.840 why did this particular strange you know, Forest World Remote, 2231 02:12:58.359 --> 02:12:58.800 Why did that. 2232 02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:02.319 Speak to you to write a movie that it was 2233 02:13:02.359 --> 02:13:04.760 about modern activism where I see a lot of people 2234 02:13:04.920 --> 02:13:07.159 want to care and they want to help, But in general, 2235 02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:09.520 I feel like people don't really want to inconvenience their 2236 02:13:09.520 --> 02:13:11.319 own lives. And I saw a lot of people just 2237 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:13.640 reacting to things on social media. 2238 02:13:13.680 --> 02:13:14.079 You see this. 2239 02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:16.399 Social justice warriors like this is wrong, this is wrong, 2240 02:13:16.479 --> 02:13:18.399 this is wrong, and they're just tweeting and retweeting. 2241 02:13:18.399 --> 02:13:19.560 They're not actually doing anything. 2242 02:13:19.720 --> 02:13:21.840 Or you see people that get involved in a cause 2243 02:13:21.920 --> 02:13:23.359 that they don't really know a lot about and they 2244 02:13:23.439 --> 02:13:25.119 go crazy about it. So I wanted to make a 2245 02:13:25.159 --> 02:13:27.720 movie about kids like that. I think there's a lot 2246 02:13:27.760 --> 02:13:30.680 of great things obviously about activism. People commit their lives 2247 02:13:30.720 --> 02:13:32.039 to it. But I wanted to make a story about 2248 02:13:32.119 --> 02:13:34.600 kids that don't really know what they're getting into, get 2249 02:13:34.720 --> 02:13:37.000 in way over their heads it actually works. And then 2250 02:13:37.039 --> 02:13:39.119 on the way home, the iron is they're plane crashes 2251 02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:41.640 and the very people they saved think that they're invaders 2252 02:13:41.680 --> 02:13:43.640 and just dart them and eat them and make them 2253 02:13:43.680 --> 02:13:44.800 the food supply the village. 2254 02:13:45.279 --> 02:13:48.760 So green Inferno is your reaction to the sjaw's of Twitter. 2255 02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:51.920 Yeah, my green Inferno. I actually wrote it, and when 2256 02:13:51.920 --> 02:13:53.840 I finished the draft, Cony twenty twelve happened. 2257 02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:54.520 I was like, this is it? 2258 02:13:54.680 --> 02:13:56.439 Like everyone is going what's wrong with you? 2259 02:13:56.520 --> 02:13:59.159 They're drinking with their mugs going like you don't you 2260 02:13:59.279 --> 02:14:01.479 care about child out soldiers and kids being raped? 2261 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:03.159 Like how can you not tweet this video? 2262 02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:03.239 This? 2263 02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:06.920 Everyone got so self righteous and try like publicly shaming, 2264 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:09.359 and it was something that they hadn't heard of twenty 2265 02:14:09.399 --> 02:14:10.079 four hours ago. 2266 02:14:10.239 --> 02:14:12.039 So I think it's a double edged sword, you know. 2267 02:14:12.079 --> 02:14:14.560 I think there are ways to get involved and ways 2268 02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:17.920 to be helpful, but the SJW culture has gotten so 2269 02:14:18.039 --> 02:14:20.640 out of control that you feel like everyone are they 2270 02:14:20.720 --> 02:14:22.479 doing it because they believe in it or they just 2271 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:24.319 want to look like good people? 2272 02:14:24.439 --> 02:14:24.560 You know? 2273 02:14:24.640 --> 02:14:27.279 Are people retweeting things because they think it's important or 2274 02:14:27.359 --> 02:14:29.680 because they want everybody to think that they're a caring person. 2275 02:14:30.079 --> 02:14:33.079 So and I'm not, you know, making a judgment about 2276 02:14:33.119 --> 02:14:35.239 these people either way. I'm just making a comment on it. 2277 02:14:35.319 --> 02:14:36.920 So I want to they do get eaten by cannibal 2278 02:14:37.000 --> 02:14:38.000 They get eaten by cannibals? 2279 02:14:38.079 --> 02:14:38.840 Yeah, exactly. 2280 02:14:39.399 --> 02:14:43.720 But finally on Wednesday, after waiting a couple of days 2281 02:14:44.439 --> 02:14:46.239 after they promised to get back to me, they did 2282 02:14:46.359 --> 02:14:48.840 promise to get back to me on the Wednesday, but 2283 02:14:49.079 --> 02:14:50.840 that was on Monday, so I had to wait for 2284 02:14:50.960 --> 02:14:54.680 two days while they put together a statement. Again, making 2285 02:14:54.800 --> 02:14:57.159 me realize there was a lot more behind the scenes 2286 02:14:57.199 --> 02:15:01.119 than I realized. I finally get an email of Amazon Watch, 2287 02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:09.439 and this is where the incredible confluence of chonosity that 2288 02:15:09.720 --> 02:15:13.760 is jungle Gate becomes really apparent. 2289 02:15:14.039 --> 02:15:16.920 I mean, before we go too much further, would you 2290 02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:21.680 have expected this, like at the outset, was this even 2291 02:15:21.720 --> 02:15:23.079 a possibility that you considered? 2292 02:15:23.359 --> 02:15:25.520 Well, it was it was that this email. I'll read 2293 02:15:25.560 --> 02:15:28.119 the email because it was really what we discovered after 2294 02:15:28.239 --> 02:15:31.000 reading the email. That's what kind of blew our minds, right, 2295 02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:35.520 But we're definitely getting closer to the heart of jungle Gate, 2296 02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:41.600 the horror, The horror, Hi Stewart correct. Amazon Watch has 2297 02:15:41.720 --> 02:15:45.560 not formally released a statement about this film. We are 2298 02:15:45.640 --> 02:15:49.319 in the process of consulting with all our indigenous partners. 2299 02:15:49.760 --> 02:15:53.039 Once we have completed meeting with them and collecting their statements, 2300 02:15:53.560 --> 02:15:57.159 Amazon Watch will release a formal comment. We are a 2301 02:15:57.279 --> 02:16:03.079 small NGO that supports indigenous rights and protect the Amazon rainforest. 2302 02:16:04.039 --> 02:16:09.560 Empowering indigenous peoples is the scientifically proven way to preserve 2303 02:16:09.640 --> 02:16:13.760 the Amazon basin, which is so important to regulating the 2304 02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:18.039 health of our global climate. Studies have shown that if 2305 02:16:18.079 --> 02:16:23.119 we grant legal rights of ancestral territories back to indigenous peoples, 2306 02:16:23.880 --> 02:16:27.680 they will defend their land and thus preserve the Amazon Basin. 2307 02:16:28.079 --> 02:16:31.520 Honoring and respecting the rights of Indigenous peoples is of 2308 02:16:31.640 --> 02:16:35.799 the utmost importance, as their voices are often marginalized and 2309 02:16:35.959 --> 02:16:39.639 go unheard in modern society. As a human rights and 2310 02:16:39.799 --> 02:16:45.520 environmental organization, our primary function is to accurately reflect the 2311 02:16:45.680 --> 02:16:51.319 perspectives and opinions of our indigenous partners. Therefore, it is 2312 02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:55.959 imperative that we meet with our indigenous partners before releasing 2313 02:16:56.040 --> 02:17:00.520 a formal statement, let alone a petition. As you can imagine, 2314 02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:04.360 most of our partners live in the rainforest and sometimes 2315 02:17:04.520 --> 02:17:07.600 it can take a while to communicate with them. So 2316 02:17:07.879 --> 02:17:10.559 thank you for your patients. Well, first of all, don't 2317 02:17:10.559 --> 02:17:13.360 they know Indigenous people are going to care about this? 2318 02:17:14.319 --> 02:17:16.680 Are you kidding me? It's only North Americans who want 2319 02:17:16.760 --> 02:17:19.680 to appear concerned. They are going to be concerned about this. 2320 02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:22.959 And she goes on to say that said, having worked 2321 02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:26.959 with Indigenous peoples for nearly twenty years, Amazon Watch tends 2322 02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:33.000 to have an accurate idea of Indigenous perspectives on numerous issues. 2323 02:17:33.559 --> 02:17:36.280 From our research about Roth's film, we have gathered a 2324 02:17:36.479 --> 02:17:39.680 general idea of what the film represents, and from what 2325 02:17:39.879 --> 02:17:44.879 we know, our organization does not condone nor support this film. 2326 02:17:45.600 --> 02:17:48.639 I believe the confusion with this Change dot org petition, 2327 02:17:49.239 --> 02:17:53.600 which is in no way associated with Amazon Watch, began 2328 02:17:53.760 --> 02:18:06.719 on Instagram. Eli Roth commented erroneously that Amazon Watch had 2329 02:18:06.959 --> 02:18:12.559 seen and did support his film. Amazon Watch responded to 2330 02:18:12.639 --> 02:18:17.600 his statement because it was untrue and was causing confusion 2331 02:18:17.799 --> 02:18:23.360 amongst our supporters. This thread occurred on at American Indian 2332 02:18:23.799 --> 02:18:28.000 fourteen ninety one's account, and I believe the creator of 2333 02:18:28.079 --> 02:18:32.639 the petition is at Society Menace, although for whatever reason, 2334 02:18:33.079 --> 02:18:36.239 that person seems to have deleted that account and is 2335 02:18:36.360 --> 02:18:42.000 now operating privately under at Society Menace two. I'm unsure 2336 02:18:42.040 --> 02:18:45.399 why the petition is anonymous, but I don't think it's 2337 02:18:45.440 --> 02:18:50.399 a marketing scheme. I have requested multiple times that the 2338 02:18:50.559 --> 02:18:55.680 creator remove mention of Amazon Watch, but they have yet 2339 02:18:55.959 --> 02:19:01.479 to adjust the text. I have also contacted Change requesting 2340 02:19:01.600 --> 02:19:06.079 the removal of the misattribution to our organization as it 2341 02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:10.200 is causing an overload of press inquiries, obviously not from 2342 02:19:10.239 --> 02:19:16.079 the horror community that are taxing on our capacity as 2343 02:19:16.159 --> 02:19:20.000 we are a small NGO. With limited capacity. Hope that 2344 02:19:20.159 --> 02:19:23.399 clarifies things. Let me know if you have any more questions. 2345 02:19:24.520 --> 02:19:29.799 Thanks Jessica. So now what do we do with this information? 2346 02:19:30.600 --> 02:19:35.159 We descend upon Instagram We ran, I mean, you know, 2347 02:19:35.600 --> 02:19:40.200 virtually ran, like a cannibal descended on an SJW. 2348 02:19:41.079 --> 02:19:42.920 Exactly, man, exactly. 2349 02:19:43.200 --> 02:19:46.360 But hang on a second. If the sjw's are the 2350 02:19:46.440 --> 02:19:49.479 indigenous people, then who are the cannibals? Are the cannibals 2351 02:19:49.520 --> 02:19:51.399 the sjw's. 2352 02:19:50.719 --> 02:19:52.239 Are they eating themselves? 2353 02:19:54.159 --> 02:19:57.360 Eli's point is much more clever than we have a thought. 2354 02:19:57.559 --> 02:20:01.000 So metaphysical. It's so metaphysical, very impressed. 2355 02:20:01.799 --> 02:20:03.799 It's a theme within a theme within a theme. 2356 02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:04.879 It's like inception. 2357 02:20:05.920 --> 02:20:08.920 It's conceptual. It's like Shia Lahbouf. It's brilliant. It's like, 2358 02:20:09.040 --> 02:20:12.840 get the social get the anti social justice warriors to 2359 02:20:13.000 --> 02:20:17.280 turn them into slacktivists on your Facebook page. It's fucking genius. 2360 02:20:17.360 --> 02:20:18.799 It's conceptual arts. 2361 02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:22.200 And then we'll have the cannibals eat themselves. And because 2362 02:20:22.200 --> 02:20:25.319 they're really the sjw's, because they don't want to be 2363 02:20:25.440 --> 02:20:28.799 perceived badly. It's amazing. It's like it's like a snake 2364 02:20:28.879 --> 02:20:31.600 eating its own tail. Just over and over and over again. 2365 02:20:31.680 --> 02:20:32.360 It's beautiful. 2366 02:20:32.559 --> 02:20:35.280 So we go over to Instagram. We dig up at 2367 02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:40.000 Amma Indian fourteen ninety one, who seems to be a 2368 02:20:40.200 --> 02:20:45.799 hugely popular native person there with a massive following on Instagram, 2369 02:20:46.280 --> 02:20:49.719 and he wrote this statement. He said, asshole of the 2370 02:20:49.799 --> 02:20:53.760 Week is writer and director of this racist stereotype of 2371 02:20:53.840 --> 02:20:59.799 the uncivilized savage Indian movie by Eli Roth. Summary bunch 2372 02:20:59.840 --> 02:21:01.879 of why people are heading to the Amazon in their 2373 02:21:01.959 --> 02:21:05.120 private jet to play white Savior when all of a sudden, 2374 02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:07.159 the plane goes crashing down in the middle of the 2375 02:21:07.239 --> 02:21:10.920 Amazon rainforest. An unknown tribe then starts to hunt them 2376 02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:15.120 down and begins to commit human cannibalism. All this movie 2377 02:21:15.200 --> 02:21:18.799 will do is dehumanize people who are really ones being 2378 02:21:18.920 --> 02:21:22.159 hunted down by oil companies. They are the ones being 2379 02:21:22.239 --> 02:21:25.280 killed every day by oil companies and the government that 2380 02:21:25.440 --> 02:21:28.639 backs them up. They are the organization trying to help 2381 02:21:28.719 --> 02:21:34.040 protect the Amazon people from these evil corporations. They need 2382 02:21:34.200 --> 02:21:36.680 all the help they can get. With a movie like this, 2383 02:21:36.920 --> 02:21:42.399 people will take this as factual and truly believe Amazon 2384 02:21:42.559 --> 02:21:47.000 Indians are savages and uncivilized, which can't be fair from 2385 02:21:47.040 --> 02:21:49.600 the truth. Again, this is what we talked about before, 2386 02:21:49.639 --> 02:21:53.159 the sort of colonial representation of local tribes as hopelessly 2387 02:21:53.280 --> 02:21:57.040 barbaric to help fuel imperialist conquests. 2388 02:21:57.120 --> 02:21:59.879 We have to civilize them, We have to make them 2389 02:22:00.120 --> 02:22:01.120 civilized people. 2390 02:22:01.440 --> 02:22:03.799 Thousands of people go to the Amazon every year to 2391 02:22:03.840 --> 02:22:06.719 meet these beautiful people, are people that still live with 2392 02:22:06.920 --> 02:22:10.040 nature as one. They go there to get away from 2393 02:22:10.079 --> 02:22:13.239 the so called civilized will, to get peace and clarity. 2394 02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:18.520 Yet they are always discriminated against, dehumanized, and this movie 2395 02:22:18.600 --> 02:22:21.280 won't help any of that. Thanks for being a douce, 2396 02:22:21.319 --> 02:22:26.680 Eli Roth and any like hashtags like a million Native 2397 02:22:26.760 --> 02:22:30.399 groups who are reading this stuff and responding to this stuff. 2398 02:22:30.719 --> 02:22:36.159 Yeah, yeah, and again keep in mind real you know 2399 02:22:36.479 --> 02:22:44.040 Native movements, right like real indigenous people, real involved Native activists, 2400 02:22:44.479 --> 02:22:48.920 you know, not your your you know, tight gene wearing 2401 02:22:49.280 --> 02:22:51.360 hipster slacktivist. 2402 02:22:51.079 --> 02:22:56.440 And incredibly who shows up to put his foot in 2403 02:22:56.520 --> 02:23:00.479 his mouth in classic Eli Roth fashion. No, no, then 2404 02:23:00.600 --> 02:23:02.040 Eli himself. 2405 02:23:01.760 --> 02:23:06.639 Can't take criticism, not even on Instagram, not even from 2406 02:23:07.079 --> 02:23:09.120 you know. And let's face it, I mean, we said 2407 02:23:09.120 --> 02:23:11.319 this guy's a lot of followers, and he does, but really, 2408 02:23:11.399 --> 02:23:15.159 let's face it, it's a relatively obscure indigenous group. You know, 2409 02:23:15.239 --> 02:23:20.280 it's a relatively obscure indigenous activist, and here's Eli Roth, 2410 02:23:20.440 --> 02:23:23.399 unable to take any sort of criticism whatsoever. He's got 2411 02:23:23.440 --> 02:23:25.559 to jump in there just so you're away. 2412 02:23:25.799 --> 02:23:29.920 We've shown the movie to Amazon Watch and they loved that. 2413 02:23:30.200 --> 02:23:33.879 It's completely on the side of the villagers and points 2414 02:23:33.920 --> 02:23:38.239 out everything you're saying. We're going to work with them 2415 02:23:38.479 --> 02:23:43.600 through the entire promotion of the film to help moviegoers 2416 02:23:43.840 --> 02:23:49.319 direct their energy and resources to the groups who are 2417 02:23:49.479 --> 02:23:56.600 waking to protect uncontacted tribes from oil companies. My film 2418 02:23:56.719 --> 02:23:59.920 is Awake of fiction. It's a parable, but that doesn't 2419 02:24:00.120 --> 02:24:02.879 mean we can't use it as a platform to educate 2420 02:24:02.959 --> 02:24:07.079 and help people understand way to get involved and how 2421 02:24:07.239 --> 02:24:07.959 to help. 2422 02:24:08.280 --> 02:24:11.079 Yeah, which is like, that's a decent statement. 2423 02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:15.399 Sadly none of it's true. A. As we know, Amazon 2424 02:24:15.559 --> 02:24:18.120 Watch didn't see the movie, they don't support it. They 2425 02:24:18.239 --> 02:24:21.920 fucking hate the movie. And two go on, what Eli's 2426 02:24:21.959 --> 02:24:25.559 he's not driving attention to these issues. He's retweeting angry 2427 02:24:25.719 --> 02:24:28.079 twenty year old video gamers who want to see tits. 2428 02:24:28.799 --> 02:24:30.760 You don't like these TV shows, you don't like these movies, 2429 02:24:30.799 --> 02:24:32.559 you don't like these video games. You don't like these comics, 2430 02:24:32.600 --> 02:24:34.399 you don't like this music, you don't like any of 2431 02:24:34.440 --> 02:24:38.479 the stuff, then just leave, just go away. Quire listening 2432 02:24:38.520 --> 02:24:40.440 to it, quit reading it, quit playing it. Just put 2433 02:24:40.479 --> 02:24:43.079 the shit down and shut the fuck up. 2434 02:24:43.879 --> 02:24:46.000 But here's the important thing to keep in mind. Do 2435 02:24:46.399 --> 02:24:50.920 this confrontation on Instagram happened about a month ago. It 2436 02:24:51.120 --> 02:24:56.680 happened before the current SJW movie poster and this current 2437 02:24:57.079 --> 02:25:00.719 anti SJW marketing angle. So this kind of puts it 2438 02:25:01.040 --> 02:25:05.760 even more interesting spin on things, and even more interesting 2439 02:25:06.239 --> 02:25:12.360 really is what happens next, because Emmerindian is so gracious, 2440 02:25:12.440 --> 02:25:15.040 He's so like, I can't believe Elyros showed up and 2441 02:25:15.159 --> 02:25:18.600 said something, and so he's just really gracious and apologetic, 2442 02:25:18.719 --> 02:25:20.920 like I'm sorry I called you names, and I'm going 2443 02:25:21.000 --> 02:25:23.319 to give you the benefit of doubt. It's really stotic. 2444 02:25:23.399 --> 02:25:25.639 So you know, go ahead and just just sort. 2445 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:28.040 Of well, I'll jump ahead, because there is a great 2446 02:25:28.159 --> 02:25:29.920 back and forth between the two of them, but I 2447 02:25:29.959 --> 02:25:31.639 don't want to read the whole thing, but they go 2448 02:25:31.799 --> 02:25:35.120 back and forth. They're talking about you know, he's putting 2449 02:25:35.159 --> 02:25:39.360 his view basically, amplifying and elaborating on the whole problem 2450 02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:42.719 and Eli Roth's jumping in and I think what really 2451 02:25:42.840 --> 02:25:47.559 one over Ammerindian is when Eli Roth name dropped Amazon 2452 02:25:47.639 --> 02:25:50.239 Watch and said, listen, you haven't seen the film. They've 2453 02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:52.559 seen the film, they loved the film. 2454 02:25:52.680 --> 02:25:53.600 Yeah, they support it. 2455 02:25:53.799 --> 02:25:55.600 And he's like, okay, well wait a minute. Maybe And 2456 02:25:55.719 --> 02:25:58.680 this is before the marketing too, like the post and everything. 2457 02:25:58.760 --> 02:26:01.120 So at this point Amerindian's given him the benefit of 2458 02:26:01.159 --> 02:26:04.840 the dout gone Okay, maybe there's something going on. There's 2459 02:26:04.879 --> 02:26:07.120 a more to your film that meets the eye. But 2460 02:26:07.200 --> 02:26:09.879 he does take issue with this whole the depiction of 2461 02:26:09.959 --> 02:26:12.360 Indigenous people as ruthless savages. 2462 02:26:15.040 --> 02:26:18.600 The hell is that? No, I swear that was like 2463 02:26:18.680 --> 02:26:21.600 a richeralistic punishment for a tough That's what it is. 2464 02:26:22.559 --> 02:26:25.200 Just sit back and enjoy the show because afterwards he's 2465 02:26:25.239 --> 02:26:39.559 going to take us to the village. That punishment is 2466 02:26:39.639 --> 02:26:42.959 considered a divine commandment. If she had not killed her, 2467 02:26:43.079 --> 02:26:44.280 the tribe would have killed him. 2468 02:26:45.319 --> 02:26:50.159 So who shows up to the party? Amazon watched themselves 2469 02:26:50.760 --> 02:26:52.399 via their Instagram account. 2470 02:27:00.040 --> 02:27:00.479 I love this. 2471 02:27:00.639 --> 02:27:02.680 This is just so amazing. 2472 02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:05.000 This is the beauty of the internet now right, like, 2473 02:27:05.159 --> 02:27:06.959 this is the beauty of the Internet. 2474 02:27:07.280 --> 02:27:13.000 As a privileged white male gringo, you are doing exactly 2475 02:27:13.159 --> 02:27:17.280 what you claim to be warning of by depicting Indigenous 2476 02:27:17.360 --> 02:27:21.719 people so offensively and inaccurately in this film. If you 2477 02:27:21.879 --> 02:27:26.079 portrayed black people this way, would you consider that less offensive? 2478 02:27:26.280 --> 02:27:30.479 Or how about Jewish people? The indigenous communities are NGO 2479 02:27:30.680 --> 02:27:35.280 partners with in the Amazon would be offended and embarrassed 2480 02:27:35.399 --> 02:27:40.520 if they saw how grossly inaccurate you've depicted their heritage. 2481 02:27:41.719 --> 02:27:44.799 Listen to those sjw's and. 2482 02:27:44.879 --> 02:27:49.319 Then they go on to say that very quote that 2483 02:27:49.559 --> 02:27:53.280 was then taken out of the context of this Instagram 2484 02:27:53.840 --> 02:27:57.440 conversation and used as the main mission statement for that 2485 02:27:58.120 --> 02:27:59.280 change dot org petition. 2486 02:28:00.079 --> 02:28:04.840 We finally see where this Amazon watch statement originated from, 2487 02:28:05.159 --> 02:28:07.600 and we see why they were reluctant to say it 2488 02:28:07.799 --> 02:28:11.719 was a formal statement, right. That's why they were cagey 2489 02:28:11.840 --> 02:28:14.520 about their language about it, because they knew they'd said it. 2490 02:28:15.000 --> 02:28:17.280 It just they didn't say it in any sort of 2491 02:28:17.399 --> 02:28:20.479 official capacity. It was an Instagram comment. 2492 02:28:20.719 --> 02:28:22.760 And they had nothing to do with the petition. So 2493 02:28:22.840 --> 02:28:25.840 what happened was either what looks to have happened is 2494 02:28:25.879 --> 02:28:31.319 like a supporter of Amerindian Yes Society menace just following 2495 02:28:31.399 --> 02:28:33.959 the conversation, because all sorts of people are chiming any 2496 02:28:34.159 --> 02:28:38.799 this isn't just between Eli Amazon and Amerindians. Yeah, people commented, basically, 2497 02:28:39.479 --> 02:28:43.120 poor Eli's being eaten alive by the savage cannibals that 2498 02:28:43.280 --> 02:28:46.559 are the Indigenous people who take issue with this film. 2499 02:28:47.079 --> 02:28:50.399 Yeah, it's pretty amazing, Like it's that whole thread is 2500 02:28:50.520 --> 02:28:55.440 basically just an Indigenous people taken around out of Eli 2501 02:28:55.639 --> 02:28:59.399 Roth and calling him a puto, and like it's pretty amazing, 2502 02:29:00.040 --> 02:29:00.840 amazing to watch. 2503 02:29:01.399 --> 02:29:04.639 And the irony is he thinks he's making a film 2504 02:29:04.920 --> 02:29:09.319 that's a satire about people jumping into political issues they 2505 02:29:09.399 --> 02:29:14.200 don't understand. And yet clearly Eli Roth has jumped into 2506 02:29:14.280 --> 02:29:17.600 a political issue he has no understanding of. So I 2507 02:29:17.719 --> 02:29:21.559 only have one thing to say to Eli. Physician, heal thyself. 2508 02:29:22.159 --> 02:29:22.959 Let's play doctor. 2509 02:29:25.520 --> 02:29:28.680 It's easy. I'll be the doctor and you be the patient, 2510 02:29:29.120 --> 02:29:32.200 and you pretend like you're sick and I'll examine you. 2511 02:29:32.239 --> 02:29:32.479 Okay. 2512 02:29:32.840 --> 02:29:37.799 Yeah, it's pretty amazing. And what I love too is 2513 02:29:37.920 --> 02:29:41.120 that how he comes back out and says, oh, we're well, 2514 02:29:41.159 --> 02:29:44.319 don't worry, we're announcing a partnership with an Amazon rights group, 2515 02:29:44.440 --> 02:29:46.840 not Amazon watched some other Amazon. 2516 02:29:46.520 --> 02:29:50.040 Rights Well, I'll read the statement immediately after then Amazon 2517 02:29:50.120 --> 02:29:52.639 Watch said our organization does not support this film, but 2518 02:29:52.639 --> 02:29:56.159 there's a gross offense to our Indigenous partners. And Eli 2519 02:29:56.319 --> 02:29:59.840 Roth comes back and says, we are soon announcing a 2520 02:30:00.079 --> 02:30:03.319 partnership with an Amazon rights group, but it is not 2521 02:30:03.799 --> 02:30:08.319 Amazon Watch. I apologize I was misinformed. I'm still waiting 2522 02:30:08.360 --> 02:30:11.239 for that partnership. Have you had anything about this partnership? 2523 02:30:11.559 --> 02:30:12.399 Not a people. 2524 02:30:12.719 --> 02:30:16.559 We can all argue over social media, but the reality is, 2525 02:30:16.959 --> 02:30:18.840 again it's just a way of dismissing them. We can 2526 02:30:18.879 --> 02:30:20.799 all argue over social media. Well where else are you 2527 02:30:20.840 --> 02:30:24.280 gonna have this fucking argument with indigenous people? Motherfucker. They 2528 02:30:24.360 --> 02:30:26.920 weren't at the film festival. They don't work for the 2529 02:30:27.040 --> 02:30:30.680 horror press, who are reprinting your bullshit without critically evaluating it. 2530 02:30:30.920 --> 02:30:33.479 Where the fuck do you think you're gonna have this argument. 2531 02:30:34.000 --> 02:30:37.479 It's not like these people have talk shows, you know something. 2532 02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:39.799 Yeah, they don't have it. Well they do, but nobody 2533 02:30:39.879 --> 02:30:43.479 watches those networks. There is an Aboriginal news network or 2534 02:30:43.520 --> 02:30:44.159 well it's very. 2535 02:30:44.079 --> 02:30:47.040 True, but I mean he's not going out and trying 2536 02:30:47.120 --> 02:30:51.159 to trying to court conversation in those arenas, you know, 2537 02:30:51.399 --> 02:30:54.760 he's provoking them. Even when he says he's trying, he's 2538 02:30:54.840 --> 02:30:58.760 not going to provoke them, he proceeds to then provoke 2539 02:30:58.920 --> 02:31:01.559 them in the most asinine way possible. 2540 02:31:01.639 --> 02:31:05.440 It's amazing, absolutely so now we know that that poster 2541 02:31:05.479 --> 02:31:09.920 there wasn't just cluelessness. It was a direct fuck you, 2542 02:31:10.840 --> 02:31:13.799 not just to like the sgws who are gonna complain, 2543 02:31:13.879 --> 02:31:17.239 but the very people themselves, the very indigenous people using 2544 02:31:17.360 --> 02:31:22.159 these groups to discuss rape, murder, the absolute dehumanization of 2545 02:31:22.239 --> 02:31:24.920 their culture, the things that when they see reflected in 2546 02:31:25.079 --> 02:31:29.360 his film, these gross like media representations that further perpetuate 2547 02:31:29.520 --> 02:31:33.200 this sort of lack of prominence in a culture and 2548 02:31:33.360 --> 02:31:37.360 diminish their voice. They're taking issue with that, and he's saying, yeah, 2549 02:31:37.440 --> 02:31:40.000 well fuck you, here's more of it, because guess what, 2550 02:31:40.159 --> 02:31:42.719 you're gonna attack me on Instagram. You're gonna rip me 2551 02:31:42.799 --> 02:31:45.440 to pieces on Instagram. Well, guess what I can summon 2552 02:31:45.520 --> 02:31:49.840 a force, a wrath far greater than you, guys. And 2553 02:31:50.040 --> 02:31:54.479 that's what sent him running to the four chan gam 2554 02:31:54.559 --> 02:31:59.239 agate world to bring that level of reactionary vitriol to 2555 02:31:59.520 --> 02:32:03.879 drown out any squeaks of protest. This is like him 2556 02:32:03.959 --> 02:32:09.639 taking that anti homophobia rantin Fangoria to a whole high 2557 02:32:09.799 --> 02:32:11.879 marketing conceptual level. 2558 02:32:12.399 --> 02:32:12.600 Yeah. 2559 02:32:12.719 --> 02:32:15.559 Absolutely, I mean, if you want to imagine it. I mean, 2560 02:32:15.680 --> 02:32:19.000 here is Roth up on his sort of podium, you know, 2561 02:32:19.680 --> 02:32:23.639 ranting about you know, political correctness and all this other stuff. 2562 02:32:23.879 --> 02:32:28.280 And the the four chan, eight chan, gamer Gate anti 2563 02:32:28.440 --> 02:32:32.399 SJW crew are like the the guys in the jack boots, 2564 02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:34.719 you know, kind of all lined up around the base 2565 02:32:34.799 --> 02:32:37.920 of the podium waiting for the troublemakers to start up 2566 02:32:38.040 --> 02:32:39.479 and they'll descend upon them. 2567 02:32:39.559 --> 02:32:39.719 You know. 2568 02:32:39.879 --> 02:32:43.520 That's how these guys operate in thunder. 2569 02:32:44.520 --> 02:32:44.799 Park. 2570 02:32:45.719 --> 02:33:16.520 Nor to Dan, so let me finish his statement. He 2571 02:33:16.559 --> 02:33:19.079 goes on to say, so we can argue over social media, 2572 02:33:19.159 --> 02:33:21.719 but the reality is the film will be in release 2573 02:33:21.879 --> 02:33:24.879 and I Am going to use the release platform to 2574 02:33:25.040 --> 02:33:29.319 raise awareness for all these issues. So hear this, Bright, 2575 02:33:29.479 --> 02:33:33.600 but hear this gam Agate, hear this, Cybertroopers. He's not 2576 02:33:33.719 --> 02:33:36.319 your poster boy. He's not making a film to go 2577 02:33:36.440 --> 02:33:40.280 after the bloody social justice warriors. He's secretly doing it 2578 02:33:40.760 --> 02:33:44.040 to go after the oil companies and all the He's 2579 02:33:44.120 --> 02:33:49.079 doing it to support indigenous rights issues. That's supposedly, what 2580 02:33:49.159 --> 02:33:52.399 he's saying here his agenda, but as we all know, 2581 02:33:53.000 --> 02:33:55.239 he just twists with the wind. Put him in a 2582 02:33:55.319 --> 02:33:58.440 room full of indigenous people. He's against the oil companies. 2583 02:33:58.479 --> 02:34:01.239 We said that as a joke before, but actually it 2584 02:34:01.360 --> 02:34:04.360 is exactly what he did here. 2585 02:34:04.440 --> 02:34:05.040 It is right. 2586 02:34:05.479 --> 02:34:07.479 He'll just sell his crap to anybody. 2587 02:34:08.280 --> 02:34:11.639 It's absolutely amazing that here he is saying, hey, listen, 2588 02:34:12.120 --> 02:34:15.440 you know this movie supports this, and I want to 2589 02:34:15.559 --> 02:34:19.200 use the message of this film to help elevate your voices, 2590 02:34:19.399 --> 02:34:23.840 and then a scant month later start marketing to the 2591 02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:27.399 very people who want to ensure these voices never get heard. 2592 02:34:27.799 --> 02:34:32.440 I mean, it's so, it's so so my bendingley fucked. 2593 02:34:32.639 --> 02:34:35.040 I can't sorry, I got to finish his statement. It's 2594 02:34:35.079 --> 02:34:37.520 hard to get through without just going like holy fuck. 2595 02:34:37.600 --> 02:34:41.479 But let's try to get through his words. So he says, 2596 02:34:42.319 --> 02:34:45.360 I don't expect everyone to support it, but right now 2597 02:34:45.520 --> 02:34:48.879 everyone is judging from a trailer and a poster, which 2598 02:34:48.920 --> 02:34:53.639 I understand. I'm not going to antagonize anyone. I'll just 2599 02:34:53.719 --> 02:34:56.559 put hashtags on my poster as a big fuck you. 2600 02:34:56.639 --> 02:35:00.479 I won't antagonize anyone to create. Well, let's finished to 2601 02:35:00.559 --> 02:35:03.639 create some controversy for the film, because that doesn't address 2602 02:35:03.719 --> 02:35:07.040 what's really happening. What's really happening, Eli, you want to 2603 02:35:07.120 --> 02:35:10.760 tell us slacktivists, right, the ones going to the Amazon 2604 02:35:11.239 --> 02:35:16.799 political correctness, lack of tits, So what's really happening. Nearly 2605 02:35:16.920 --> 02:35:21.120 the entire crew and cast were Peruvian and Chilean. Everyone 2606 02:35:21.239 --> 02:35:25.559 believes in the film's message. Really, everyone believes in the 2607 02:35:25.600 --> 02:35:29.000 film's message. The film doesn't have a fucking message. That's 2608 02:35:29.040 --> 02:35:31.879 the That's what we've really gotten to the heart of. 2609 02:35:31.959 --> 02:35:33.799 We haven't even seen the film when we can tell 2610 02:35:33.840 --> 02:35:36.680 you're so confused. You're all over the place. You're contradicting 2611 02:35:36.760 --> 02:35:39.719 yourself in the concept of the film and everything you've 2612 02:35:39.719 --> 02:35:41.879 said about the film and every way you've tried to 2613 02:35:42.000 --> 02:35:47.840 market this film has been hypocritical, contradictory, and fucking clueless, dude, 2614 02:35:48.319 --> 02:35:49.879 absolutely fucking clueless. 2615 02:35:50.040 --> 02:35:52.120 I mean it's really depressing. But the message of the 2616 02:35:52.159 --> 02:35:55.920 movie seems to be whatever he needs the message of 2617 02:35:55.959 --> 02:35:59.559 the movie to be in order to you know, sort 2618 02:35:59.600 --> 02:36:04.440 of criticism, right. So you know, if it's natives coming 2619 02:36:04.520 --> 02:36:06.840 at him, it's no, no, I support you guys. And 2620 02:36:06.959 --> 02:36:09.200 if it's the free speech crowd coming at him saying, Hey, 2621 02:36:09.239 --> 02:36:10.639 how come you're giving into those natives. 2622 02:36:10.680 --> 02:36:11.719 It's like, a, I don't want that. 2623 02:36:11.719 --> 02:36:14.079 I don't like those natives. I hate those slacktivists. You know, 2624 02:36:14.239 --> 02:36:16.440 it's whatever he needs to be at. 2625 02:36:16.280 --> 02:36:18.799 The time he'll be president of the United States. You 2626 02:36:18.959 --> 02:36:21.719 realize that, like, this is a guy who was like 2627 02:36:21.920 --> 02:36:24.959 banging around film festivals a few years ago with Cavin Fever. 2628 02:36:25.159 --> 02:36:26.799 I know people who hung out with him, and I 2629 02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:29.040 heard a lot of stories about him through those networks. 2630 02:36:29.079 --> 02:36:32.280 But he went very quickly from Cavin Fever to just 2631 02:36:32.360 --> 02:36:35.680 a hop, Skip and a Jump, a big, massive blockbuster 2632 02:36:36.200 --> 02:36:39.760 horror movie with Hostel and then a Hop, Skip and 2633 02:36:39.760 --> 02:36:42.840 a Jumpanese on screen and a Quentin Tarantino film with 2634 02:36:43.120 --> 02:36:45.879 Brad Pitt. And when they promoted the movie a can, 2635 02:36:46.040 --> 02:36:49.360 they had this gigantic like poster with Brad Pitt's face 2636 02:36:49.399 --> 02:36:51.319 on one side of a building. On the other side 2637 02:36:51.399 --> 02:36:54.600 it was Eli Roth. Yeah, yeah, he was huge. What's 2638 02:36:54.639 --> 02:36:57.840 going on? He's just like gone from like a dude 2639 02:36:58.639 --> 02:37:04.079 to this gigantic like pop culture figure overnight. I'm telling 2640 02:37:04.159 --> 02:37:05.000 you he's gonna be. 2641 02:37:05.159 --> 02:37:07.200 President, president of horror Nation. 2642 02:37:07.399 --> 02:37:10.959 Maybe, well, he was already president of Horrornation, self appointed 2643 02:37:11.040 --> 02:37:14.319 right after Hostel went big, or he became the spokesperson 2644 02:37:14.399 --> 02:37:15.000 for the genre. 2645 02:37:15.399 --> 02:37:16.399 Well, I'm a huge fan to be that. 2646 02:37:16.479 --> 02:37:19.959 I think to me that he's the director that horror films. 2647 02:37:19.719 --> 02:37:22.360 Have been waiting to come out, because it's like, you know, 2648 02:37:22.639 --> 02:37:25.000 it's not about getting getting on the cover of or 2649 02:37:25.040 --> 02:37:25.639 It's gonna be weekly. 2650 02:37:25.639 --> 02:37:28.040 It's about getting on the cover effect Gloria all right. 2651 02:37:28.079 --> 02:37:29.639 It's not about like, Okay, I'm gonna do a whore 2652 02:37:29.680 --> 02:37:31.000 for a while, then I'm gonna ditch it and do 2653 02:37:31.120 --> 02:37:31.639 other stuff. 2654 02:37:31.680 --> 02:37:34.639 It's not always about horror films. Sorry, let me do 2655 02:37:34.760 --> 02:37:37.920 finish the statement. It's almost impossible to get through. It's 2656 02:37:37.959 --> 02:37:41.200 so infuriating, you know, to even read it. It was 2657 02:37:41.319 --> 02:37:43.520 driving me notes when I first read it. Let alone, 2658 02:37:43.600 --> 02:37:44.879 try to read it for people just. 2659 02:37:44.920 --> 02:37:47.760 Keep sighing over and over again. You read a sentence 2660 02:37:47.760 --> 02:37:50.079 and you just have to sigh and like then rant 2661 02:37:50.159 --> 02:37:51.879 and get all the hate out of you and then 2662 02:37:52.079 --> 02:37:53.719 like read the next one. It's awful. 2663 02:37:54.239 --> 02:37:57.799 So whatever you may think about me personally, it's fine. 2664 02:37:58.440 --> 02:38:02.040 Just know that I am a could. I am as 2665 02:38:02.200 --> 02:38:07.040 upset and horrified by what's going on and simply how 2666 02:38:07.399 --> 02:38:12.559 he's upset horrified. Guys, he's a fucking esg W. Exactly 2667 02:38:12.959 --> 02:38:16.399 do you realize that game again? What a bleaan heart 2668 02:38:16.520 --> 02:38:19.840 liberal you've made into your post, boy, and he's Jewish. 2669 02:38:23.520 --> 02:38:24.760 Just know that I am as. 2670 02:38:24.760 --> 02:38:27.959 Upset horrified by what's going on, and simply have a 2671 02:38:28.079 --> 02:38:30.799 different way of getting the message out to a younger 2672 02:38:30.959 --> 02:38:35.799 generation who may not be aware of the indigenous rights 2673 02:38:36.000 --> 02:38:38.040 problems in the Amazon. 2674 02:38:41.079 --> 02:38:45.840 It's fucking unbelievable, man. This is jungle Gate. When he 2675 02:38:46.159 --> 02:38:48.399 decided to do a hashtag jungle gate, what was he 2676 02:38:48.479 --> 02:38:50.840 expecting people going to do with that? That's nothing jungle 2677 02:38:50.879 --> 02:38:54.040 Gate does not. This is the jungle Gate, the phony petition, 2678 02:38:54.559 --> 02:38:59.360 the bullshit, the conversation on Instagram with Native people, despite 2679 02:39:00.079 --> 02:39:04.120 that informed your marketing after this happened, The big giant 2680 02:39:04.360 --> 02:39:06.680 fuck you to the Native people that tore you the 2681 02:39:06.799 --> 02:39:11.040 shreds in this fucking exchange. Horror films historically have always 2682 02:39:11.120 --> 02:39:14.399 done this. You might not like it, and that's fine, 2683 02:39:14.879 --> 02:39:17.520 but if we want to have a productive discussion that 2684 02:39:17.639 --> 02:39:21.879 can educate the general public, I'm all for it. Bickering 2685 02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:26.040 on social media is not the best approach for any 2686 02:39:26.159 --> 02:39:29.000 of this to rarely reach people. No, you know what 2687 02:39:29.200 --> 02:39:34.040 is the best approach. Ignore those people, fucking entirely sell 2688 02:39:34.120 --> 02:39:37.760 your bullshit to a pathetic horror press who don't question 2689 02:39:37.959 --> 02:39:41.079 the sources, don't take into account the point of view 2690 02:39:41.159 --> 02:39:44.840 of the people who are actually being fucking marginalized and 2691 02:39:44.959 --> 02:39:49.200 discriminated against potentially with your representation. All right, just shut 2692 02:39:49.280 --> 02:39:51.879 them out of the fucking way. Then we can have 2693 02:39:51.959 --> 02:39:56.520 a nice discussion where it's you, your idiotic lemming like 2694 02:39:56.840 --> 02:40:03.239 cyber trooper, fucking slacktivists, hit like on your anti SJW campaigns. 2695 02:40:03.520 --> 02:40:07.200 That's the discussion you want, Eli, I don't see anything 2696 02:40:07.360 --> 02:40:12.319 outside of those very narrow parameters. Nothing is being channeled 2697 02:40:12.680 --> 02:40:15.879 into your world other than that agenda that we have 2698 02:40:16.000 --> 02:40:22.440 deconstructed and analyzed. Please prove us wrong, show us some tangible, 2699 02:40:23.239 --> 02:40:26.959 tangible sensibility on your part, that you have an instinct 2700 02:40:27.040 --> 02:40:29.760 and a sensitivity and a compassion for these people, like 2701 02:40:29.920 --> 02:40:33.319 you said in that statement, because they all fucking hate you. 2702 02:40:34.159 --> 02:40:37.479 He says he wants to have this productive discussion, and 2703 02:40:37.719 --> 02:40:43.559 then less than a month later he's directly antagonizing those people. 2704 02:40:43.840 --> 02:40:47.159 Mocking them, ridiculing them. And like I said, I thought 2705 02:40:47.200 --> 02:40:51.200 it was clueless. But it's so vindictive, Yeah, and amplifying 2706 02:40:51.879 --> 02:40:58.120 real bigots, you know, it's so Yeah, it's crazy. So 2707 02:40:58.440 --> 02:41:00.120 right off the bat, it's going to bring back the 2708 02:41:00.159 --> 02:41:02.200 Cannibal movie. He knows people are going to kind of 2709 02:41:02.239 --> 02:41:04.360 have a problem with the political incorrectness of it, so 2710 02:41:04.440 --> 02:41:07.159 we'll demonize those people in the film. Then it gets 2711 02:41:07.239 --> 02:41:09.760 kind of out of hand. Now native groups themselves are 2712 02:41:09.840 --> 02:41:11.959 ripping him to pieces. So what is he going to do? 2713 02:41:12.399 --> 02:41:16.479 Demonize them, make a mockery out of their causes, make 2714 02:41:16.559 --> 02:41:19.319 a mockery out of their hashtags that they're using to 2715 02:41:19.520 --> 02:41:24.000 discuss issues that are relevant to the subjugation of their people, 2716 02:41:24.479 --> 02:41:27.079 and then go on their fucking Instagram and pretend he's 2717 02:41:27.159 --> 02:41:30.159 like on their side and he's all concerned, he's all sensitive. 2718 02:41:30.399 --> 02:41:33.399 I didn't expect to get this irritated reading this stuff, 2719 02:41:33.440 --> 02:41:35.719 but it's just like, man, I'm just so sick of 2720 02:41:35.799 --> 02:41:39.159 the bulls. I'm sick of the whole failure of the 2721 02:41:39.239 --> 02:41:42.760 culture to even respond to a shred of like critical 2722 02:41:43.040 --> 02:41:43.920 fucking thought. 2723 02:41:44.840 --> 02:41:48.719 And again, where is the environmental education? Where where is 2724 02:41:48.879 --> 02:41:53.399 this Like, Hey, I acknowledge you're facing these issues. Why 2725 02:41:53.520 --> 02:41:57.360 is he not amplifying the voices of these natives. I mean, 2726 02:41:57.680 --> 02:42:00.000 could he not, like, is it not possible for him 2727 02:42:00.239 --> 02:42:04.639 to release this like very exploitive cannibal film that obviously, 2728 02:42:04.920 --> 02:42:06.600 I mean, you can't make a cannibal film and not 2729 02:42:06.920 --> 02:42:10.079 depict indigenous people in a poor light, right, But. 2730 02:42:10.319 --> 02:42:12.639 There's no reason, Well hang on a sec that, you know. 2731 02:42:12.799 --> 02:42:15.520 I don't know a lot about cannibalism in North America 2732 02:42:15.600 --> 02:42:21.239 and South American indigenous tribes. I do believe it existed, 2733 02:42:21.440 --> 02:42:23.520 and there were two forms that I have read about. 2734 02:42:24.399 --> 02:42:30.040 One is endo cannibalism, which is an interesting practice of 2735 02:42:30.360 --> 02:42:33.159 eating the dead as a way of honoring the dead. 2736 02:42:33.440 --> 02:42:33.559 Right. 2737 02:42:33.719 --> 02:42:37.840 I imagine if we practice that in this culture, your 2738 02:42:37.879 --> 02:42:39.840 grandmother that was like, oh my god, we got to 2739 02:42:39.879 --> 02:42:44.079 eat and today, oh my god, you know, and then 2740 02:42:44.120 --> 02:42:46.120 there'd be like people in your family, don't worry, I know, 2741 02:42:46.559 --> 02:42:51.239 just the right like spices put on that made. But 2742 02:42:51.360 --> 02:42:56.040 apparently in endo cannibalism, and this isn't just South American tribes. 2743 02:42:56.079 --> 02:42:58.479 This has happened in different cultures over the globe. It's 2744 02:42:58.559 --> 02:43:01.280 just a different conception of how to honor the dead. 2745 02:43:01.360 --> 02:43:05.719 They eat everything, every part of the body, the bones, 2746 02:43:05.799 --> 02:43:09.799 the feces, so I don't really know too much about it, 2747 02:43:09.879 --> 02:43:11.719 so I'm not pretending to be an expert about it. 2748 02:43:11.959 --> 02:43:16.079 There's another form of cannibalism, which is a retribution style cannibalism, 2749 02:43:16.719 --> 02:43:22.360 which is a way of punishing people who've transgressed, and 2750 02:43:22.479 --> 02:43:25.760 maybe that's what Eli's channeling. I have heard him say 2751 02:43:25.959 --> 02:43:29.200 that everything depicted in the film, as far as the cannibalism, 2752 02:43:29.920 --> 02:43:33.159 was based on some sort of tribal act that he'd 2753 02:43:33.200 --> 02:43:36.440 read about. So again, in all of this, we do 2754 02:43:36.639 --> 02:43:40.479 have to, you know, really make a firm point that 2755 02:43:40.680 --> 02:43:43.600 we haven't seen the film, Like, even if the film 2756 02:43:43.719 --> 02:43:48.639 is fantastic and actually does reveal a progressive view which 2757 02:43:48.719 --> 02:43:52.159 the brake Bark guys won't like, you know, no matter 2758 02:43:52.680 --> 02:43:55.600 at this point, no matter which way Eli is gonna go, 2759 02:43:56.479 --> 02:43:59.159 he's either gonna piss off the brake Bark guys and 2760 02:43:59.239 --> 02:44:02.440 the people intoard of his anti sjaw stants with the 2761 02:44:02.520 --> 02:44:04.840 film if it comes out, or he's going to piss 2762 02:44:04.840 --> 02:44:07.360 off the Native people who feel like it's a terrible 2763 02:44:07.440 --> 02:44:10.440 depiction of their culture and also doesn't really address the 2764 02:44:10.479 --> 02:44:13.959 social issues. Or maybe his film's trying to play favorites 2765 02:44:14.040 --> 02:44:17.440 with everybody, because that's the mixed messages I'm getting. I 2766 02:44:17.479 --> 02:44:19.559 think what it illustrates as a guy who never really 2767 02:44:19.680 --> 02:44:23.600 conceptually thought this stuff through and has been like painted 2768 02:44:23.680 --> 02:44:28.479 himself into a corner and has been just flailing brutally 2769 02:44:29.159 --> 02:44:29.760 ever since. 2770 02:44:30.079 --> 02:44:33.559 Well, you know, I think in twenty fifteen, if you're 2771 02:44:33.600 --> 02:44:38.079 setting out to make like an exploitation cannibal film, you're 2772 02:44:38.079 --> 02:44:41.360 trying to do something that's homage to, you know, Cannibal 2773 02:44:41.440 --> 02:44:46.000 Holocaust and these very extreme pieces of cinema. You know, 2774 02:44:46.239 --> 02:44:49.719 you you probably have to balance that out a bit. 2775 02:44:50.120 --> 02:44:54.719 The film will be extreme and antagonistic itself. So does 2776 02:44:54.799 --> 02:44:59.200 the marketing need to be extreme, antagonist and antagonistic, or 2777 02:45:00.280 --> 02:45:04.959 or could the marketing actually be something that is educational 2778 02:45:05.200 --> 02:45:08.479 and progressive in something that says, hey, this film is 2779 02:45:08.520 --> 02:45:12.120 a work of fantasy, and it's an homage to films 2780 02:45:12.159 --> 02:45:15.200 that were made during a time where we had, frankly, 2781 02:45:16.200 --> 02:45:20.680 you know, some less evolved ideas about these sorts of things. 2782 02:45:20.879 --> 02:45:22.879 Well you're saying that, you're saying that, but actually, if 2783 02:45:22.920 --> 02:45:26.440 you think back now, Cannibal Holocaust is looking infinitely more 2784 02:45:26.520 --> 02:45:32.959 progressive than how Green and Right, The Monsters, the True Monsters, 2785 02:45:33.040 --> 02:45:37.120 and Cannibal Holocaust Twitter is in a little you know, 2786 02:45:37.280 --> 02:45:40.079 people like winging on Twitter like they are supposedly in 2787 02:45:40.159 --> 02:45:44.079 Elis film. The true monsters is Western culture is absolutely 2788 02:45:44.159 --> 02:45:48.760 Western imperialist domination of the region, you know what I mean. 2789 02:45:48.879 --> 02:45:53.319 That's the hideous force that is dealt with. And there 2790 02:45:53.399 --> 02:45:58.079 is a cannibal retribution act. Absolutely, when the cannibals rip 2791 02:45:58.200 --> 02:46:01.600 those white guys to shreds, you never feel like, oh 2792 02:46:01.680 --> 02:46:04.319 the cannibals are horrible, they did something wrong. You feel 2793 02:46:04.360 --> 02:46:05.799 like you're on the side of the me. Yeah, I 2794 02:46:05.879 --> 02:46:08.520 rip those guys to shreds. Man, they just ripped the 2795 02:46:08.559 --> 02:46:11.200 pot of tat or for sport. You know, let's put 2796 02:46:11.280 --> 02:46:14.959 these guys out of their misery. I'm not speaking as 2797 02:46:15.000 --> 02:46:16.719 a scientist, but as the man in the street. 2798 02:46:17.000 --> 02:46:21.799 This so called documentary footage is offensive, it is dishonest, 2799 02:46:22.200 --> 02:46:24.520 and above all, it is inhuman. 2800 02:46:24.879 --> 02:46:28.319 Yes, yes, of course we all know what Alan was like. 2801 02:46:29.079 --> 02:46:31.840 You overdid it as usual, but what you saw. 2802 02:46:32.040 --> 02:46:32.799 Is a rough cut. 2803 02:46:33.520 --> 02:46:38.360 Perhaps I haven't made myself clear, but I I refuse 2804 02:46:38.520 --> 02:46:40.520 to have anything to do with this material. 2805 02:46:41.280 --> 02:46:45.559 Look, professor, we are talking about the most sensational documentary 2806 02:46:45.600 --> 02:46:48.440 to come along in years. But you want us just 2807 02:46:48.760 --> 02:46:50.719 to shelve it, to forget about it as if it 2808 02:46:50.760 --> 02:46:51.559 had never been found. 2809 02:46:51.959 --> 02:46:52.879 Is that what you want? 2810 02:46:54.000 --> 02:46:57.879 Yes, Yes, that is precisely what I want. 2811 02:46:58.920 --> 02:47:00.840 I've seen the rest of them, Maial. 2812 02:47:00.479 --> 02:47:04.159 You haven't. You haven't seen this stuff that even your editors. 2813 02:47:03.840 --> 02:47:05.959 Didn't have the stomach to put together, and if you had, 2814 02:47:06.000 --> 02:47:07.239 you wouldn't hesitate. 2815 02:47:06.920 --> 02:47:07.760 But to agree with me. 2816 02:47:08.959 --> 02:47:14.159 So finally, if anybody has any thoughts on what we're 2817 02:47:14.200 --> 02:47:17.600 talking about and would like to write in, please send 2818 02:47:17.639 --> 02:47:23.159 an email to info at Cinophobia radio dot com. If 2819 02:47:23.239 --> 02:47:28.559 we get enough interesting comments, perhaps we'll do a follow 2820 02:47:28.639 --> 02:47:31.000 up and read some of them. I think we should also, 2821 02:47:31.239 --> 02:47:33.280 even though I said I wasn't interested in the film, 2822 02:47:33.319 --> 02:47:37.000 I think in all fairness we should actually see the 2823 02:47:37.239 --> 02:47:43.840 film and see if there's anything that redeems how Elia 2824 02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:46.600 has been marketing the film, you know, and if he 2825 02:47:46.719 --> 02:47:49.680 feels like he's been unfairly treated with our with our 2826 02:47:49.799 --> 02:47:53.239 criticisms of the marketing. So hopefully it does generate some 2827 02:47:53.360 --> 02:47:55.239 discussion and we can all sort of learn a thing 2828 02:47:55.319 --> 02:47:55.520 or two. 2829 02:47:55.959 --> 02:47:59.520 The fact that basically a couple of like nobody ex 2830 02:47:59.680 --> 02:48:02.600 hard journalists are the people who are picking up this 2831 02:48:02.840 --> 02:48:08.000 thread as opposed to you know, the big, much larger 2832 02:48:08.159 --> 02:48:11.440 media apparatus that people like Eli Roth are capable of 2833 02:48:11.559 --> 02:48:16.600 commanding is pretty disappointing. And that's why it's also important 2834 02:48:17.000 --> 02:48:20.559 to ask people to share this around and to create 2835 02:48:20.639 --> 02:48:24.440 this dialogue, because we are trying to amplify these voices 2836 02:48:24.479 --> 02:48:27.959 and we are trying to, you know, help this part 2837 02:48:28.040 --> 02:48:30.959 of the message get out as well, because this isn't 2838 02:48:30.959 --> 02:48:34.879 about political correctness. This is about Indigenous people, and this 2839 02:48:35.040 --> 02:48:37.600 is about how they feel about their portrayal, and their 2840 02:48:37.719 --> 02:48:42.079 voices should be heard. And I'm against Eli Roth campaigning 2841 02:48:42.440 --> 02:48:46.040 to stop these people from being heard and supporting people 2842 02:48:46.360 --> 02:48:48.879 who are going to work to stop these people from 2843 02:48:48.959 --> 02:48:53.040 being heard. I think that's important and hopefully listeners out 2844 02:48:53.040 --> 02:48:54.360 there find that important as well. 2845 02:48:54.760 --> 02:48:57.719 I have to say that doing a little thing like 2846 02:48:57.879 --> 02:49:01.200 reaching out to an organization, getting some information that nobody's 2847 02:49:01.239 --> 02:49:03.360 bothered to look into, and then going down a couple 2848 02:49:03.399 --> 02:49:06.479 of little weird rabbit holes and unearthing what we on earth, 2849 02:49:06.559 --> 02:49:11.360 it's incredible conversation on Instagram that nobody knows about, nobody's discussing. 2850 02:49:11.879 --> 02:49:16.920 That's kind of like the rewards of doing journalists. It's 2851 02:49:17.000 --> 02:49:20.319 not about just coming up with some crappy byline on 2852 02:49:20.399 --> 02:49:23.360 a website that you can start blasting all over Twitter 2853 02:49:23.399 --> 02:49:25.319 and saying, look at me, look at me, I got 2854 02:49:25.399 --> 02:49:27.879 my name on a website. Look at me. I'm reprinting 2855 02:49:27.920 --> 02:49:30.319 a press release. Look at me. You know, it's not 2856 02:49:30.440 --> 02:49:38.200 about that. That's not the reward. That is evacuous, unsatisfying, masturbatory, masturbatory, 2857 02:49:38.799 --> 02:49:41.920 pointless exercise. If you're going to be a horror journalist, 2858 02:49:42.000 --> 02:49:44.840 it's not about getting free tickets to movies. It's not 2859 02:49:44.920 --> 02:49:47.920 about getting free swag. It's not about like bragging to 2860 02:49:48.000 --> 02:49:51.360 your friends or going to parties or hobnobbing with celebrities. 2861 02:49:51.440 --> 02:49:55.799 It's about being a fucking journalist. Be critical, evaluate these things. 2862 02:49:56.000 --> 02:49:58.719 But however you do it, just do the fucking job, 2863 02:49:59.520 --> 02:50:01.000 just the jop exactly. 2864 02:50:01.120 --> 02:50:07.680 It's not difficult stuff. This is really really basic. Group 2865 02:50:07.840 --> 02:50:11.200 makes claim, journalist fact checks claim. 2866 02:50:11.479 --> 02:50:13.959 Yeah, you know, journalism one on one. That's all we 2867 02:50:14.079 --> 02:50:15.319 have to say about it, folks. 2868 02:50:15.399 --> 02:50:16.440 It's that simple. 2869 02:50:17.000 --> 02:50:20.399 And instead of just oh my god, Eli Roth says this, 2870 02:50:21.440 --> 02:50:25.559 what we actually see is this wild, weird story, you know, 2871 02:50:25.760 --> 02:50:28.479 that takes us all these weird, interesting places on the 2872 02:50:28.520 --> 02:50:31.239 Internet and ends us up right here. 2873 02:50:33.000 --> 02:50:36.879 It rests on thirteen acres of earth over the very 2874 02:50:37.040 --> 02:50:50.799 center of Hell. Here is the first motion picture to 2875 02:50:50.959 --> 02:50:55.479 offer to the daring a look into the final maddening 2876 02:50:55.600 --> 02:51:02.760 space between life and death. To avoid fainting, keep repeating, 2877 02:51:08.920 --> 02:51:15.120 sights and sounds far beyond anything you've tested. To avoid fainting, 2878 02:51:15.959 --> 02:51:24.680 keep repeating. Only take as much as you can. 2879 02:51:24.799 --> 02:51:30.440 On Jungle Gates Volume three. Obviously, anyone that's seen the 2880 02:51:30.520 --> 02:51:34.120 Green Inferno, if you're divorce it from the marketing and 2881 02:51:34.239 --> 02:51:36.399 divorce it from some of the ideas that we were 2882 02:51:36.440 --> 02:51:40.079 alluding to in jungle Gate one and two, the film 2883 02:51:40.159 --> 02:51:45.920 itself is barely worth a two hundred and fifty word review, 2884 02:51:46.600 --> 02:51:51.360 let alone a series of podcasts dedicated to the subject. 2885 02:51:52.799 --> 02:51:59.280 Absolutely, it's really like having seen it and you know, 2886 02:51:59.440 --> 02:52:01.600 being able to an now reflect on like what have 2887 02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:02.360 we done? 2888 02:52:02.559 --> 02:52:04.040 What we do? 2889 02:52:06.079 --> 02:52:10.159 But but I mean, I think the listener will will 2890 02:52:10.239 --> 02:52:13.079 find that there's obvious benefits to what we're talking about. 2891 02:52:13.159 --> 02:52:16.479 That you said the listener, meaning there's only one listener. 2892 02:52:17.239 --> 02:52:20.920 By jungle Gate volume three, there really probably is one, 2893 02:52:23.040 --> 02:52:24.040 you know, the listener. 2894 02:52:24.399 --> 02:52:29.239 You know the listeners as a body, you know, like, yes, 2895 02:52:29.360 --> 02:52:30.399 in general, I mean. 2896 02:52:30.399 --> 02:52:33.680 I understand the point I'm just being playful with the summit, 2897 02:52:33.799 --> 02:52:34.959 but I mean, you. 2898 02:52:35.040 --> 02:52:37.920 Know, that's that's what That's what we would hope anyway. 2899 02:52:38.079 --> 02:52:43.040 But here's the real point of continuing to examine the story. 2900 02:52:43.200 --> 02:52:45.760 First of all, the marketing of the film actually did 2901 02:52:45.840 --> 02:52:49.920 take some interesting twists and turns after Jungle Gate two, 2902 02:52:50.079 --> 02:52:52.040 so it's relevant for those to come back and kind 2903 02:52:52.040 --> 02:52:55.159 of finish the story. If had it just come out 2904 02:52:55.200 --> 02:52:57.719 with no more real incidents, does not need to go 2905 02:52:57.840 --> 02:53:00.360 back and examine the marketing because we really put it 2906 02:53:00.520 --> 02:53:03.239 under the microscope sufficiently in one and two, but then 2907 02:53:03.319 --> 02:53:05.799 it did these crazy other moves that we've never got 2908 02:53:05.840 --> 02:53:08.000 to address, so we have to talk about that. But 2909 02:53:08.200 --> 02:53:12.120 more importantly than that, in doing all those episodes and 2910 02:53:12.319 --> 02:53:16.360 continuing to kind of follow the timeline of events leaning 2911 02:53:16.479 --> 02:53:18.760 up to the film, it really kicked up a lot 2912 02:53:18.840 --> 02:53:22.319 of topics, not only between private discussions that you and 2913 02:53:22.399 --> 02:53:24.879 I had and even discussion that I had with other people, 2914 02:53:25.000 --> 02:53:28.239 people who didn't really want to go public on the 2915 02:53:28.360 --> 02:53:31.280 record with their thoughts and reflections about what we were 2916 02:53:31.360 --> 02:53:35.040 talking about, but also a lot of conversations with listeners 2917 02:53:35.440 --> 02:53:39.040 and even people hostile to what they thought we were 2918 02:53:39.200 --> 02:53:43.319 trying to do. It's brought up so many larger issues 2919 02:53:43.399 --> 02:53:47.159 that I think this becomes really an excellent opportunity to 2920 02:53:47.360 --> 02:53:51.000 discuss some bigger concepts, far bigger than anything to do 2921 02:53:51.120 --> 02:53:54.159 with the Green Infana or Eli Roth or anything like that. Yeah, 2922 02:53:54.159 --> 02:53:56.719 we're still going to talk about the marketing and things 2923 02:53:56.760 --> 02:53:58.879 that he said, but we're going to kind of raise 2924 02:53:58.959 --> 02:54:03.239 it to a whole of the level, hopefully of philosophical 2925 02:54:03.319 --> 02:54:06.000 ideas as it relates to the horror genre and the 2926 02:54:06.120 --> 02:54:10.479 culture that supports the horror genre, as Eli himself claims 2927 02:54:10.840 --> 02:54:14.719 was his great wish with the film to spark discussion. Well, 2928 02:54:14.760 --> 02:54:18.079 on these episodes, we're going to have the very discussion 2929 02:54:18.520 --> 02:54:21.399 that Eli made this film to generate. 2930 02:54:21.840 --> 02:54:24.920 Yeah, I mean, we're going to deliver on the promise 2931 02:54:25.079 --> 02:54:27.079 Eli made to everyone. 2932 02:54:27.280 --> 02:54:29.040 That's the other thing that I want to do with 2933 02:54:29.120 --> 02:54:33.280 these episodes is kind of underscore how the horror press 2934 02:54:33.440 --> 02:54:36.879 just kind of swallows this stuff up, doesn't analyze it, 2935 02:54:37.040 --> 02:54:39.079 and just kind of lets it flow through. It's like 2936 02:54:39.159 --> 02:54:43.520 a pr marketing machine where you can literally spew anything 2937 02:54:43.879 --> 02:54:47.799 as contradictory and fallacy laden as it is, and nobody 2938 02:54:47.959 --> 02:54:51.360 is there to kind of pay attention and comment and 2939 02:54:51.520 --> 02:54:55.319 dissect and contextualize, and it just kind of filters through 2940 02:54:55.399 --> 02:54:59.639 this whole pr mechanism largely supported by a fan gushing 2941 02:55:00.159 --> 02:55:02.879 a press, all the websites and all the magazines, none 2942 02:55:02.920 --> 02:55:05.079 of them have a stuff to kind of analyze what's 2943 02:55:05.200 --> 02:55:06.639 actually being spoken. 2944 02:55:07.040 --> 02:55:10.319 Yeah, there's a real sort of orthodoxy to all this 2945 02:55:10.760 --> 02:55:14.120 where you're not really encouraged. I mean, there's no real 2946 02:55:14.399 --> 02:55:19.200 benefit to doing this right because the consequences of it 2947 02:55:19.479 --> 02:55:22.399 might be, well, hey, I don't get you know, I 2948 02:55:22.520 --> 02:55:25.840 get my access cut off. You know, all of a sudden, 2949 02:55:25.920 --> 02:55:29.159 publicists aren't sending me things, or maybe we're not going 2950 02:55:29.239 --> 02:55:33.000 to get that set visit, or you know, there's always 2951 02:55:33.239 --> 02:55:36.760 those concerns in the way it seems, or it's very 2952 02:55:37.280 --> 02:55:42.120 frustrating when you want to actually write about things that 2953 02:55:42.239 --> 02:55:46.959 are important in this genre when the press you are 2954 02:55:47.040 --> 02:55:50.280 trying to do it through doesn't really have the courage 2955 02:55:50.360 --> 02:55:52.319 to say some of the things that it needs to 2956 02:55:52.479 --> 02:55:57.079 say in order to really be introspective. And that's the 2957 02:55:57.200 --> 02:56:01.680 real tragedy. And I think that's thing we've really this 2958 02:56:01.920 --> 02:56:05.440 story can really help illustrate and why that's one of 2959 02:56:05.479 --> 02:56:08.120 the reasons I find it extremely important. And if we 2960 02:56:08.239 --> 02:56:11.479 can do something with these episodes. That's definitely one of 2961 02:56:11.920 --> 02:56:14.280 the big objectives for me anyway. 2962 02:56:14.440 --> 02:56:16.520 And I don't want to really get into the Spider 2963 02:56:16.600 --> 02:56:20.040 Baby issue because not that it's been done to death, 2964 02:56:20.159 --> 02:56:23.719 because again, none of these mainstream outlets ever really adequately 2965 02:56:23.840 --> 02:56:26.360 analyze that situation. I mean, there were a few people 2966 02:56:26.440 --> 02:56:28.239 that kind of stood on a high horse and said, hey, 2967 02:56:28.399 --> 02:56:31.000 we were unscathed by that whole incident, so therefore we 2968 02:56:31.079 --> 02:56:33.520 can speak critically of it, even though they've got their 2969 02:56:33.559 --> 02:56:36.280 own skeletons to worry about. But for me, the whole 2970 02:56:36.360 --> 02:56:40.200 Spider Baby thing really shone a light at how diseased 2971 02:56:40.920 --> 02:56:44.920 the horror culture is, and obviously that somebody could just 2972 02:56:45.000 --> 02:56:48.280 sort of ascend to these great heights and be propped 2973 02:56:48.360 --> 02:56:52.920 up by so many voices and legitimized by so many outlets, 2974 02:56:53.479 --> 02:56:58.559 all based on riding this wave of stolen work that 2975 02:56:58.879 --> 02:57:02.079 if you actually paid it tension to the wig, like 2976 02:57:02.159 --> 02:57:04.040 if you were an editor of a magazine and this 2977 02:57:04.200 --> 02:57:06.559 copy was landing on your desk, there would have been 2978 02:57:06.639 --> 02:57:10.319 many cues that there was something amiss with what was 2979 02:57:10.360 --> 02:57:11.159 being put together. 2980 02:57:11.280 --> 02:57:14.280 They well, I mean, that was the natural next question. 2981 02:57:14.440 --> 02:57:14.680 For me. 2982 02:57:14.920 --> 02:57:19.559 It was It went immediately from did this happen? Which then, 2983 02:57:19.719 --> 02:57:21.639 you know, I read the story and I saw the 2984 02:57:21.719 --> 02:57:24.319 links myself, and I went, yes, it happened. And the 2985 02:57:24.440 --> 02:57:28.319 immediate next question on my mind is what happened? How 2986 02:57:28.479 --> 02:57:32.319 is it possible to have an editor who's supposed to 2987 02:57:32.319 --> 02:57:35.440 be the gatekeeper of this stuff and for this to 2988 02:57:35.559 --> 02:57:39.079 get through it? So, I mean, to me, this was 2989 02:57:39.239 --> 02:57:41.639 just where the story was going next, and that's where 2990 02:57:41.680 --> 02:57:45.799 my mind immediately went next. And I'm not sure that's 2991 02:57:45.840 --> 02:57:49.159 where everybody went next. Right away, it seemed to be 2992 02:57:49.239 --> 02:57:52.280 people had to be prompted a little bit to like, hey, guys, 2993 02:57:53.159 --> 02:57:55.920 remember that there's supposed to be somebody whose job it 2994 02:57:56.120 --> 02:57:59.600 is doing this and gatekeeping this stuff. So what happened there? 2995 02:57:59.799 --> 02:58:02.479 You know, because that just opens a whole bunch more 2996 02:58:02.680 --> 02:58:04.159 really uncomfortable questions. 2997 02:58:04.440 --> 02:58:07.799 The gatekeepers were never taken to task. In fact, they 2998 02:58:07.840 --> 02:58:11.120 were the first to sort of throw Spider Baby under 2999 02:58:11.159 --> 02:58:14.159 the bus as if to kind of diffuse any attention 3000 02:58:14.600 --> 02:58:15.440 to themselves. 3001 02:58:15.959 --> 02:58:19.840 I think they were quite keenly able to ask saying 3002 02:58:19.959 --> 02:58:23.200 that that was where the attention was coming next. It 3003 02:58:23.680 --> 02:58:27.600 was the next logical question, So what else could they do? 3004 02:58:27.920 --> 02:58:28.120 You know? 3005 02:58:28.360 --> 02:58:31.000 They had to make a bit of a preemptive strike 3006 02:58:31.440 --> 02:58:34.200 the ones who bothered the comment at all anyway. 3007 02:58:34.159 --> 02:58:39.079 But this failure to sort of even catch the ascendancy 3008 02:58:39.200 --> 02:58:42.520 of a person like Spider Baby, and the failure to 3009 02:58:42.639 --> 02:58:46.159 really ask the tough questions in the wake of the 3010 02:58:46.280 --> 02:58:51.200 revelations of all the plagiarism and etc. Is indicative, if exactly, 3011 02:58:51.280 --> 02:58:53.360 the reason I feel it's important for us to do 3012 02:58:53.479 --> 02:58:56.760 this show right now, because I see a correlation. I'm 3013 02:58:56.799 --> 02:59:00.399 not comparing Eli directly with Spider Baby, because Eli hasn't 3014 02:59:00.479 --> 02:59:03.559 transgress the same boundaries. He's not a plagiarist, He's not 3015 02:59:03.639 --> 02:59:06.479 really doing anything wrong. He's making his movies, but he's 3016 02:59:06.559 --> 02:59:12.360 selling them with a lot of provocative, taunting rhetoric that 3017 02:59:12.559 --> 02:59:18.000 is contradictory, riddled with inaccuracies, if not outright lies, and 3018 02:59:18.120 --> 02:59:21.280 there's nobody there to take him to task. There's no 3019 02:59:21.440 --> 02:59:25.879 gatekeeper on the job. It's just the bullshit is allowed 3020 02:59:25.920 --> 02:59:29.479 to just flow freely down the mountain and nobody's there 3021 02:59:29.520 --> 02:59:31.799 to clean it up, and it just drowns us all 3022 02:59:32.000 --> 02:59:34.120 in its stench and its filth. 3023 02:59:34.559 --> 02:59:38.840 And what's worth is that we seemingly like it because 3024 02:59:39.879 --> 02:59:45.159 we visit the websites, we buy, the magazines, we partake 3025 02:59:45.239 --> 02:59:48.440 in all of it. So seemingly this is status quo. This, 3026 02:59:49.000 --> 02:59:52.319 this is a situation normal, you know, like this is 3027 02:59:52.399 --> 02:59:56.879 what people expect. You know, here's here's your PR. And 3028 02:59:57.200 --> 03:00:02.040 the idea that a horror or magazine or a horror 3029 03:00:02.120 --> 03:00:05.479 website or whatever the case may be, would just be 3030 03:00:05.959 --> 03:00:09.319 sort of an extension in the PR department of these 3031 03:00:09.399 --> 03:00:13.959 film studios isn't even that controversial an idea to some people. 3032 03:00:14.399 --> 03:00:16.479 It just seems to be good business. 3033 03:00:16.760 --> 03:00:22.079 They've implicitly internalized it absolutely as an ideal business model. 3034 03:00:22.440 --> 03:00:25.000 I've had editors say, oh, we should do something to 3035 03:00:25.120 --> 03:00:28.719 support this publicist, or we should really get behind these 3036 03:00:28.760 --> 03:00:30.760 guys because they advertise with us, and so on and 3037 03:00:30.920 --> 03:00:34.840 so forth. Like this concept of advertorial, especially in print. 3038 03:00:34.959 --> 03:00:38.280 Now that the funds are drying up, the advertising dollars 3039 03:00:38.319 --> 03:00:42.360 are drying up, so self evident journalistic ethics are being 3040 03:00:42.479 --> 03:00:47.280 transgressed as these publications get more desperate for this ever 3041 03:00:47.399 --> 03:00:49.079 diminishing pile of pennies. 3042 03:00:49.479 --> 03:00:52.959 Yeah, and that's kind of the disturbing thing, right, is 3043 03:00:53.040 --> 03:00:56.719 that this is the same conundrum faced by all media. Right, 3044 03:00:56.920 --> 03:01:01.799 so all media, all spectrums are facing similar threats and 3045 03:01:01.959 --> 03:01:07.040 compromises to their integrity, So why wouldn't we expect to 3046 03:01:07.120 --> 03:01:10.440 see it at this level? And that's actually what kind 3047 03:01:10.440 --> 03:01:13.479 of makes it fascinating, is that to see it at 3048 03:01:13.559 --> 03:01:16.600 this level and to realize that even at this level, 3049 03:01:17.079 --> 03:01:18.120 this is how things are. 3050 03:01:18.520 --> 03:01:20.639 There's also one last thing that I want to say 3051 03:01:20.639 --> 03:01:24.920 about Eli before we continue, because we're going to continue 3052 03:01:25.000 --> 03:01:27.440 to sort of analyze things that he said, to kind 3053 03:01:27.440 --> 03:01:30.959 of expose some of these kind of like wrong headed 3054 03:01:31.000 --> 03:01:34.719 assumptions that he spews so kind of willfully, you know, 3055 03:01:34.879 --> 03:01:37.319 as there's no gatekeepers or freethink has taken him to 3056 03:01:37.440 --> 03:01:40.360 task and so on. But I don't want to necessarily 3057 03:01:40.520 --> 03:01:45.639 continue to demonize Eli the person, as difficult as that's 3058 03:01:45.719 --> 03:01:48.959 going to be, because I really do object to saytain 3059 03:01:49.000 --> 03:01:52.600 things that he's set and his political ideas. Now he 3060 03:01:52.680 --> 03:01:54.760 said he made the film to spark discussion. We're going 3061 03:01:54.799 --> 03:01:56.719 to give him the discussion, and we're going to vehemently 3062 03:01:56.840 --> 03:02:00.360 disagree with many of his points of view. We're also 3063 03:02:00.399 --> 03:02:03.079 going to expose how contradictory they are. But I have 3064 03:02:03.200 --> 03:02:05.680 to make it clear, I don't know this person. This 3065 03:02:05.879 --> 03:02:08.559 is a human being, you know, he is a public figure, 3066 03:02:08.680 --> 03:02:12.719 so he's put himself in the spotlight. So therefore he's 3067 03:02:12.799 --> 03:02:17.840 allowed for people to critique what he says. And he 3068 03:02:18.000 --> 03:02:21.000 makes films that supposedly spark ideas and we're going to 3069 03:02:21.079 --> 03:02:23.959 kind of engage with those. So he's well up for criticism, 3070 03:02:24.040 --> 03:02:26.520 there's no question about it. But we don't know Eli 3071 03:02:26.680 --> 03:02:29.399 the person. And I felt like listening to volume one 3072 03:02:29.479 --> 03:02:33.360 and two, we were castigating a human being past the 3073 03:02:33.520 --> 03:02:37.120 point everything we said was true. I guess it was 3074 03:02:37.200 --> 03:02:42.360 the intensity of it. Yeah, the aggressive intensity of it. 3075 03:02:42.680 --> 03:02:45.639 Even me, and I mean I'm the culprit here, even 3076 03:02:45.719 --> 03:02:48.600 me listening back, was like, oh my god, that's really intense. 3077 03:02:48.719 --> 03:02:51.520 Like if you're a human being and you listen to 3078 03:02:51.600 --> 03:02:54.280 that and you hear people ripping you to pieces in 3079 03:02:54.360 --> 03:02:57.280 that kind of venomous way, it would be really kind 3080 03:02:57.280 --> 03:02:59.280 of intense. And I don't know. 3081 03:02:59.440 --> 03:03:02.520 I mean, I would not a receiving end of there. 3082 03:03:02.799 --> 03:03:04.600 I would not want to be on the receiving end 3083 03:03:04.639 --> 03:03:06.920 of it at all. Actually, you know what put me 3084 03:03:07.000 --> 03:03:09.360 on the receiving end of it? Take me to task 3085 03:03:09.479 --> 03:03:12.239 for what I say. I'm happy to debate and engage. 3086 03:03:12.360 --> 03:03:15.600 That's the difference. Well, I'm happy to debate and engage 3087 03:03:15.680 --> 03:03:18.120 what I say. If I put forward an argument and 3088 03:03:18.319 --> 03:03:22.479 somebody can offer a delicious counter argument that actually provokes 3089 03:03:22.559 --> 03:03:25.120 me to re examine what I have to say, I 3090 03:03:25.280 --> 03:03:28.079 actually find that of great value. I have a few 3091 03:03:28.200 --> 03:03:31.319 trusted friends that I rely on that form. We get 3092 03:03:31.360 --> 03:03:35.200 into heated debates and discussions, and I actually find it 3093 03:03:35.360 --> 03:03:39.200 of great value to be corrected and to kind of 3094 03:03:39.600 --> 03:03:44.959 understand the shortcomings of my own perspectives. Unfortunately, more often 3095 03:03:45.000 --> 03:03:47.520 than not, why you get people taking issue with you, 3096 03:03:47.600 --> 03:03:51.239 but they're not really offering anything of substance to counterpoint 3097 03:03:51.479 --> 03:03:55.000 your point of view, and that's frustrating. And actually, more 3098 03:03:55.040 --> 03:03:56.879 often than that, you feel bad for the person who 3099 03:03:57.000 --> 03:03:59.799 just feels compelled to take it a task but they're 3100 03:03:59.840 --> 03:04:02.159 not in anything to the table, and it puts you 3101 03:04:02.239 --> 03:04:05.399 in the really awkward position of having to spell out 3102 03:04:05.479 --> 03:04:09.600 for them how flimsy their arguments are. And it makes 3103 03:04:09.639 --> 03:04:11.360 a mockery out of them, and it makes a mockery 3104 03:04:11.399 --> 03:04:13.040 out of me, and I resent it, and I don't 3105 03:04:13.159 --> 03:04:18.120 like doing that. But if you can counter my points 3106 03:04:18.399 --> 03:04:22.600 with something of substance, that's fantastic, you know. So I 3107 03:04:22.760 --> 03:04:25.520 hope if ELI does ever listen to this that he 3108 03:04:25.719 --> 03:04:29.639 listens to what we're saying in the spirit of fundamentally, 3109 03:04:29.799 --> 03:04:34.239 we're taking issue with his ideological perspective, and the idea 3110 03:04:34.319 --> 03:04:37.600 is that he thinks are proliferating in his work. Vehemently 3111 03:04:37.719 --> 03:04:41.559 disagreeing with some of these ideas, but I don't want 3112 03:04:41.600 --> 03:04:44.360 to convey an idea that we're going after the person. 3113 03:04:44.440 --> 03:04:47.079 I don't know, Eli. Maybe he loves animals, Maybe he's 3114 03:04:47.120 --> 03:04:49.879 the sweetest next door neighby you could ever possibly have. 3115 03:04:50.280 --> 03:04:52.399 Maybe he loves his mom. I don't know the guy, 3116 03:04:52.799 --> 03:04:55.159 so it's not my place to put him down. 3117 03:04:55.360 --> 03:04:59.639 Because every night before he bangs a bunch of Catalonian whores. 3118 03:05:00.680 --> 03:05:03.600 Hi, I'm Eli Roth Forpeta Well. Violence in the movies 3119 03:05:03.680 --> 03:05:06.840 is make believes. Sadly, violence against animals is all too real. 3120 03:05:07.280 --> 03:05:10.120 Countless animals are tortured and abused every day, and most 3121 03:05:10.120 --> 03:05:12.639 of the time these crimes go unreported. If you know 3122 03:05:12.799 --> 03:05:14.959 of someone who is abusing an animal, please tell the 3123 03:05:15.000 --> 03:05:16.280 police or tell an adult. 3124 03:05:16.639 --> 03:05:17.600 People who get away with. 3125 03:05:17.680 --> 03:05:20.440 Hurting animals often turn their violence against people, and that's 3126 03:05:20.479 --> 03:05:22.399 the cycle we need to break. So let's leave the 3127 03:05:22.479 --> 03:05:26.760 violence where it belongs on the screen, right, Darling, I 3128 03:05:26.879 --> 03:05:28.159 thought we said no tongue. 3129 03:05:28.920 --> 03:05:31.639 So yeah, I feel that's just important to make because 3130 03:05:31.639 --> 03:05:34.079 I don't want this to come off as like a 3131 03:05:34.239 --> 03:05:37.959 vendetta against a human being. Maybe the guy's fantastic. I 3132 03:05:38.040 --> 03:05:41.239 actually hated this wasn't said to me specifically, but it 3133 03:05:41.360 --> 03:05:44.680 was a film programer set it to a mutual friend 3134 03:05:44.719 --> 03:05:46.920 of mine. They said, you know, Eli's not a bad guy, 3135 03:05:47.479 --> 03:05:50.079 And maybe that's true. Maybe he's not a bad guy. 3136 03:05:50.479 --> 03:05:52.000 Maybe he just plays one on TV. 3137 03:05:53.000 --> 03:05:55.280 You know, this is the thing too, This is an 3138 03:05:55.319 --> 03:06:01.520 age where we're encouraged to adopt persona and create a 3139 03:06:01.920 --> 03:06:06.440 brand around yourself and all these sorts of things. So 3140 03:06:06.959 --> 03:06:10.719 sometimes it's really hard to parse out the person and 3141 03:06:10.920 --> 03:06:14.799 the brand, you know, and the persona that they're trying 3142 03:06:14.959 --> 03:06:20.079 to project that they feel they have to project in 3143 03:06:20.239 --> 03:06:23.840 order to be marketable and in order to get people 3144 03:06:23.879 --> 03:06:27.680 to pay attention to them ultimately, and so you know, 3145 03:06:27.799 --> 03:06:30.760 you just almost never know what you're dealing with, is 3146 03:06:30.840 --> 03:06:32.559 it the persona or the person. 3147 03:06:32.479 --> 03:06:34.440 That's actually just a better way of saying what I 3148 03:06:34.559 --> 03:06:37.639 was trying to say, basically, because that's the point I 3149 03:06:37.719 --> 03:06:42.360 want to make, is that we're addressing the public comments 3150 03:06:42.879 --> 03:06:45.959 of Eli roth right the statements he makes, not to 3151 03:06:46.040 --> 03:06:47.520 Payson making the statements. 3152 03:06:48.879 --> 03:06:51.799 Cannibal Holocaust falls into that category of a movie that's 3153 03:06:51.840 --> 03:06:55.239 so low budget you kind of believe it's real, and 3154 03:06:55.280 --> 03:06:56.639 then you look at the people the use, and they 3155 03:06:56.760 --> 03:06:59.719 use real cannibals and like jungle savages when they film this, 3156 03:07:00.399 --> 03:07:02.959 you think, what monster made this movie. 3157 03:07:03.719 --> 03:07:05.159 I'll have to go back and listen to one and 3158 03:07:05.239 --> 03:07:10.719 two to see how hideously I transgressed that sort of principle. 3159 03:07:11.200 --> 03:07:14.200 But that's but that's what I hope to do with 3160 03:07:14.319 --> 03:07:17.159 these two, because we've got more stuff to get into, 3161 03:07:17.360 --> 03:07:20.719 stuff that actually really does legitimately make me angry again 3162 03:07:20.799 --> 03:07:23.639 on that kind of ideological level. So I just sort 3163 03:07:23.680 --> 03:07:25.840 of really want to kind of make that clear because 3164 03:07:25.879 --> 03:07:27.440 when it came back to me somebody saying, you know, 3165 03:07:27.520 --> 03:07:31.120 Eli's not a bad guy, obviously, we're giving the impression 3166 03:07:31.600 --> 03:07:34.319 that we're going after him in a way that's very personal, 3167 03:07:34.440 --> 03:07:37.000 and I just want to really make it clear that no, 3168 03:07:37.159 --> 03:07:39.680 we're not going after the person. We're going after the 3169 03:07:39.799 --> 03:07:41.639 person's ideas. 3170 03:07:41.840 --> 03:07:44.360 Right, and we're going to really try and stick to that. 3171 03:07:45.479 --> 03:07:50.159 How do you direct a bunch of cannibals in Colombia 3172 03:07:50.280 --> 03:07:51.000 in the joy world. 3173 03:07:52.559 --> 03:07:53.200 How do you do that? 3174 03:07:53.879 --> 03:07:57.319 Just that alone seemed to me like it was just 3175 03:07:57.639 --> 03:07:59.319 it just felt like some of it had to be real. 3176 03:08:02.079 --> 03:08:06.840 There's no laws and no one's watching them. He just 3177 03:08:07.280 --> 03:08:08.959 it just gives you this really creepy feeling. 3178 03:08:13.959 --> 03:08:16.639 So that whole thing we had about his small penis size, 3179 03:08:16.680 --> 03:08:18.639 We're not going to get into that on this episode. 3180 03:08:19.000 --> 03:08:21.479 I'm not going to get into that. I'm not going 3181 03:08:21.559 --> 03:08:24.440 to talk about all the shown this dick to young 3182 03:08:24.559 --> 03:08:29.079 girls and what did you see those cocker comments where 3183 03:08:29.200 --> 03:08:31.879 they there was like Eli Ross showed me his dick, 3184 03:08:32.000 --> 03:08:34.719 And we're not going to get into how Eli Ross 3185 03:08:34.719 --> 03:08:39.600 send girls, allegedly sends girls dick picks online and you 3186 03:08:39.680 --> 03:08:40.799 know all that stuff. 3187 03:08:40.680 --> 03:08:43.600 Sends girls dick pics online. 3188 03:08:44.239 --> 03:08:47.000 In the story. No, I'm not joking. I mean that's 3189 03:08:47.040 --> 03:08:51.360 the allegation there. There are some women online, uh and 3190 03:08:51.840 --> 03:08:55.239 you know who who mentioned that they had received some 3191 03:08:56.000 --> 03:09:00.440 intimate photography, uh from from his wroth. 3192 03:09:00.879 --> 03:09:03.520 And you know this this big not last long, but 3193 03:09:03.719 --> 03:09:06.399 I mean my whole desire to not kind of go 3194 03:09:06.600 --> 03:09:09.200 after the piers, so this is lasting very long. It's 3195 03:09:09.200 --> 03:09:11.239 all waking up very well. Now I'm talking about him 3196 03:09:11.280 --> 03:09:15.520 sending women dick pics. He's the Anthony Wiener of horror. 3197 03:09:15.959 --> 03:09:20.000 The Anthony Wiener of horror, allegedly. So I mean, you know, 3198 03:09:20.079 --> 03:09:22.760 I have to say that I have not either an 3199 03:09:22.840 --> 03:09:29.680 over verifiable Eli Roth dick pigs available. I looked in 3200 03:09:29.760 --> 03:09:34.760 the interest of journalistic integrity entirely, and you know, because 3201 03:09:34.760 --> 03:09:38.360 I just wanted to see. And so it's not verifiable. 3202 03:09:38.440 --> 03:09:41.719 We we don't know that that actually happened, which is 3203 03:09:41.760 --> 03:09:43.799 probably another good reason not to talk about it. 3204 03:09:43.920 --> 03:09:46.680 It doesn't need to send women dick picks though, That's 3205 03:09:46.760 --> 03:09:51.200 the crazy thing. I mean, Eli Roth. You know it 3206 03:09:51.280 --> 03:09:53.719 was a famous guy's a good looking guy. Girls like 3207 03:09:53.799 --> 03:09:56.920 him anyway, Just him texting a woman is probably going 3208 03:09:56.959 --> 03:10:00.159 to facilitate an exchange of bodily fluids. He doesn't to 3209 03:10:00.239 --> 03:10:01.440 send his dick picks. 3210 03:10:02.000 --> 03:10:05.680 But people have weird pathologies, don't they, you know, And 3211 03:10:06.319 --> 03:10:09.399 so I like, who knows if that is true? You know, 3212 03:10:09.680 --> 03:10:13.120 like we have no way of verifying whether Eli Roth. 3213 03:10:13.559 --> 03:10:17.000 Since all right, this is a rabbit hole I don't 3214 03:10:17.040 --> 03:10:20.079 want to continue diving into. We have enough nasty stuff 3215 03:10:20.079 --> 03:10:23.239 to get into without talking about his penis. When eli 3216 03:10:23.440 --> 03:10:27.879 Roth was spouting off against the social justice Warriors. I 3217 03:10:28.000 --> 03:10:30.639 saw somebody make the comment, you know one thing I 3218 03:10:30.760 --> 03:10:34.000 hate more than a social justice warrior or anti social 3219 03:10:34.239 --> 03:10:39.760 justice warriors, and I started to see the phrase antsjw's, antsjw's, 3220 03:10:39.760 --> 03:10:41.479 and I thought, you know what, they need their own name. 3221 03:10:42.200 --> 03:10:44.559 They need a name for that group. So I thought 3222 03:10:44.559 --> 03:10:46.159 about it for a while and I couldn't come up 3223 03:10:46.200 --> 03:10:50.639 with anything. And then on the finale of Community season six, 3224 03:10:51.360 --> 03:10:56.520 Keith David, referring to the group of students arbitrarily calls 3225 03:10:56.639 --> 03:11:00.159 them the nipple dippers, and I thought, that's perfect is 3226 03:11:00.200 --> 03:11:02.280 it actually doesn't really mean anything. And the other thing 3227 03:11:02.360 --> 03:11:06.000 that's perfect about it is Dan Harmon, the creator of Community. 3228 03:11:06.600 --> 03:11:09.600 As funny as he is, as inventive and brilliant and 3229 03:11:09.760 --> 03:11:13.719 creative as he is, he strikes me as something of 3230 03:11:13.760 --> 03:11:17.159 a nipple dipper because one of the characters on the show, 3231 03:11:17.280 --> 03:11:21.479 the Brita character, becomes his excuse to just land based 3232 03:11:21.760 --> 03:11:25.440 the so called social justice Warriors, and the only time 3233 03:11:25.879 --> 03:11:30.479 really serious political ideas are introduced to the show is 3234 03:11:30.559 --> 03:11:34.079 when they're making fun of Britain for having the pretense 3235 03:11:34.360 --> 03:11:36.200 to have any concern. 3236 03:11:35.840 --> 03:11:39.479 About them, which is pretty nipple dippery. 3237 03:11:39.879 --> 03:11:42.360 It's classic nipple dipperology right there. 3238 03:11:42.920 --> 03:11:46.799 That's dipperology one O one. The current trend in branding 3239 03:11:46.920 --> 03:11:52.159 is unique, simplistic, phonetically memorable gibberish. How about nipple dippers? 3240 03:11:52.440 --> 03:11:58.319 I like, is available done? 3241 03:11:58.959 --> 03:12:02.120 So what is an anti SJW. Actually, you came up 3242 03:12:02.159 --> 03:12:04.280 with a good phrase before when you said they were 3243 03:12:04.760 --> 03:12:08.719 status quo warriors. Yeah, that and that could be a 3244 03:12:08.760 --> 03:12:11.360 good term for them too, the status quo warriors. 3245 03:12:17.760 --> 03:12:20.680 And that's really I mean, if you want a real 3246 03:12:20.879 --> 03:12:25.040 shorthand understanding, that's what it is. It's status quot warriors. 3247 03:12:25.159 --> 03:12:30.120 It's like, we want things the same, we want things 3248 03:12:30.159 --> 03:12:33.399 the way they've always been. You know, I want my 3249 03:12:33.520 --> 03:12:37.079 peanut butter and jelly with cross cut off, and I 3250 03:12:37.200 --> 03:12:40.639 want it cut diagonally and I want it diirved with 3251 03:12:40.799 --> 03:12:44.120 some apple slices and a glass of milk. And if 3252 03:12:44.200 --> 03:12:47.719 you deviate at all, we're going to have a problem. 3253 03:12:47.920 --> 03:12:50.559 That's why a guy like Eli Roth says things like 3254 03:12:51.159 --> 03:12:54.920 what's ruining horror movies right now is political correctness. What 3255 03:12:55.040 --> 03:12:57.120 he means by that is I don't want to have 3256 03:12:57.399 --> 03:13:02.280 to think or hear from perspectives from marginalized groups. And 3257 03:13:02.399 --> 03:13:05.239 this is the defining traits of the nipple dipp They 3258 03:13:05.280 --> 03:13:08.280 don't want to hear from gays and lesbians and women 3259 03:13:08.520 --> 03:13:13.280 and Indians and black people and any kind of traditionally 3260 03:13:13.399 --> 03:13:18.319 repressed group that previously didn't have a voice in mainstream culture. Today, 3261 03:13:18.399 --> 03:13:21.239 it's a very different landscape. These people now have a voice, 3262 03:13:21.319 --> 03:13:24.000 and the nipple dippers just can't stand it, to the 3263 03:13:24.079 --> 03:13:26.959 point where when they're forced to have to listen, they 3264 03:13:27.200 --> 03:13:31.159 fly into fits of apoplectic rage. 3265 03:13:32.000 --> 03:13:33.959 You don't like these TV shows, you don't like these movies, 3266 03:13:34.000 --> 03:13:35.760 you don't like these video games, you don't like these comics, 3267 03:13:35.799 --> 03:13:36.879 you don't like this music. 3268 03:13:36.920 --> 03:13:40.479 You'll like any of the stuff. Don't just leave, just 3269 03:13:40.559 --> 03:13:42.680 go away. We're listening to it. Quick reading it, quit 3270 03:13:42.760 --> 03:13:45.159 playing it. Just put the shit down and shut the 3271 03:13:45.440 --> 03:13:46.280 fuck up. 3272 03:13:47.000 --> 03:13:50.680 Yeah, it is a sight to behold. I mean, I 3273 03:13:50.799 --> 03:13:55.440 think I think Eli retweeted that guy's video right, just 3274 03:13:55.760 --> 03:14:02.639 maniac screaming, you know, shot the fucker. I mean, it's incredible. 3275 03:14:02.959 --> 03:14:07.159 And now we've got this the banded Star Wars campaign. 3276 03:14:07.440 --> 03:14:11.120 You know, like that that is you know, largely being 3277 03:14:11.200 --> 03:14:15.239 brought out, largely entirely being brought on by nipple dippers. 3278 03:14:15.760 --> 03:14:17.959 You know, they want to band the band the new 3279 03:14:18.040 --> 03:14:23.239 Star Wars movie because they feel that the black lead 3280 03:14:23.440 --> 03:14:26.079 character is just a just a bridge too far. It's 3281 03:14:26.159 --> 03:14:30.360 white genocide. They're calling it white genocide because there's a 3282 03:14:30.559 --> 03:14:35.879 black lead character in the film. A journalist ends up 3283 03:14:36.200 --> 03:14:42.440 criticizing the film, saying that the lead characters, the countries 3284 03:14:42.520 --> 03:14:46.120 that they're all from don't even have space programs, So 3285 03:14:46.399 --> 03:14:49.040 how could why would you cast them as Star Wars. 3286 03:14:49.479 --> 03:14:51.879 You know, they didn't even go to the space. White 3287 03:14:51.920 --> 03:14:55.079 people went to space. White people, you know, developed the 3288 03:14:55.159 --> 03:14:58.600 space program. How are you putting non whites into space? 3289 03:14:58.920 --> 03:15:01.559 I mean, this is the this is the mentality that's 3290 03:15:01.600 --> 03:15:05.000 going on here. That one guy even said, all these 3291 03:15:05.120 --> 03:15:08.639 white suburban kids who bought all your toys and made 3292 03:15:08.959 --> 03:15:13.799 this a billion dollar franchise are being betrayed by this film. 3293 03:15:14.319 --> 03:15:18.600 They called jj abrams juju abrams, like this is the 3294 03:15:18.760 --> 03:15:21.479 level that the discourse is coming out at. And this 3295 03:15:21.680 --> 03:15:26.200 is just because there's a black Stormtrooper dude in a 3296 03:15:26.239 --> 03:15:27.040 Star Wars movie. 3297 03:15:27.760 --> 03:15:33.520 Throughout elementary school, junior high, high school, and college, I 3298 03:15:33.799 --> 03:15:37.520 was told that my race, the white race, was the 3299 03:15:37.719 --> 03:15:41.440 cause of all the world's problems. Now many of you 3300 03:15:41.559 --> 03:15:44.920 had jobs where minorities say things that would get you, 3301 03:15:45.280 --> 03:15:47.639 as a white person, instantly fired. 3302 03:15:48.559 --> 03:15:52.360 This conditioning is done to white people, and only white people. 3303 03:15:53.200 --> 03:15:57.000 White children, and only white children are being affected by this, 3304 03:15:57.520 --> 03:15:59.840 and only white countries are doing. 3305 03:16:01.040 --> 03:16:06.319 The Aztecs conquered many surrounding Native American tribes, practiced human 3306 03:16:06.440 --> 03:16:08.680 sacrifice and health slaves. 3307 03:16:09.280 --> 03:16:13.079 Yet anti racist don't say that Mexicans must apologize forever 3308 03:16:13.959 --> 03:16:17.719 and have their lands forcibly flooded with non Mexicans and 3309 03:16:17.840 --> 03:16:18.879 be forced to assimilate. 3310 03:16:19.719 --> 03:16:23.399 Anti racist is a code word for anti white. 3311 03:16:35.920 --> 03:16:41.159 Now what you're describing, though, is an obviously extreme white 3312 03:16:41.319 --> 03:16:45.840 supremist point of view. Yeah, that they don't want to 3313 03:16:45.920 --> 03:16:49.319 hear from black people because who the hell a black peple? 3314 03:16:49.360 --> 03:16:51.760 They shouldn't be on a level playing field with white people. 3315 03:16:51.840 --> 03:16:54.520 That's their kind of agenda to begin with. That's their 3316 03:16:54.559 --> 03:16:57.879 sort of philosophical disposition. But a lot of nipple dippers 3317 03:16:57.959 --> 03:17:01.360 don't realize that they're racist. But when they do hear 3318 03:17:01.559 --> 03:17:04.600 these voices, or they're forced to engage with voices from 3319 03:17:04.680 --> 03:17:08.959 women and voices from ethnic minorities, it kind of picks away, 3320 03:17:09.040 --> 03:17:14.799 even subconsciously at their cultural primacy and rather than feel like, oh, okay, 3321 03:17:14.959 --> 03:17:19.040 let's let these people join the conversation. Finally, they see 3322 03:17:19.079 --> 03:17:22.159 it as a threat to their status in the world, 3323 03:17:22.280 --> 03:17:26.239 and it provokes this kind of fearful reactionary rejection which 3324 03:17:26.319 --> 03:17:30.399 results in them just literally flipping out, like screaming to 3325 03:17:30.559 --> 03:17:33.319 shut the fuck up, and just like thrashing about on 3326 03:17:33.440 --> 03:17:35.879 the floor. And I'm sure if there's any nipple dippers listening, 3327 03:17:36.040 --> 03:17:39.760 they've already probably had to have been administered medication by 3328 03:17:39.840 --> 03:17:42.559 this point already. But I mean, this is the problem. 3329 03:17:42.639 --> 03:17:46.239 It's just a failure of perspective to think that when 3330 03:17:46.280 --> 03:17:51.639 an indigenous group critiques something happening in the popular culture, 3331 03:17:52.200 --> 03:17:55.719 this isn't a threat to white people. This is another 3332 03:17:55.799 --> 03:17:59.799 group kind of raising their visibility to be equal with 3333 03:18:00.079 --> 03:18:02.680 white people, to have a say in the discussion. 3334 03:18:03.120 --> 03:18:06.479 Absolutely, I mean, and that's all they're asking for. They're 3335 03:18:06.559 --> 03:18:09.440 just asking to say, hey, please recognize us as people 3336 03:18:09.760 --> 03:18:16.000 and not as cartoons as props. Yeah, you know, as 3337 03:18:16.079 --> 03:18:20.879 these rote caricatures were more than that. And then that's 3338 03:18:20.959 --> 03:18:23.879 really that's really all they're asking anybody to do is 3339 03:18:23.959 --> 03:18:25.639 consider them in that fashion. 3340 03:18:25.840 --> 03:18:28.159 And of course this now becomes kind of central to 3341 03:18:28.280 --> 03:18:30.799 the discussion of The Green and Fano because the only 3342 03:18:30.879 --> 03:18:34.079 real controversy surrounding the film, there was never a real 3343 03:18:34.200 --> 03:18:38.799 controversy in mainstream culture. Nobody even really paid attention to 3344 03:18:38.920 --> 03:18:41.559 the film in mainstream culture. The horror press just kind 3345 03:18:41.600 --> 03:18:44.760 of gobbled up anything Eli had to say, and fans 3346 03:18:44.879 --> 03:18:47.559 just kind of weighed in and typical, you know, either 3347 03:18:47.840 --> 03:18:51.879 supporting the film or dismissing the film, largely based on 3348 03:18:51.959 --> 03:18:54.000 whether it was a good film or not. Nobody really 3349 03:18:54.079 --> 03:18:58.360 wanted to examine the racial representations in the film. The 3350 03:18:58.440 --> 03:19:03.079 only people making a mealize that we're seetain indigenous groups who, 3351 03:19:03.760 --> 03:19:07.799 from what I could see, consistently reject the film and 3352 03:19:07.959 --> 03:19:11.120 denounce the racial representations in the film. And this really 3353 03:19:11.159 --> 03:19:14.760 should be a no brain it because The Green Infano 3354 03:19:15.239 --> 03:19:19.879 is based on a retrograde racial stereotype. And it's one 3355 03:19:19.959 --> 03:19:22.000 thing to go back to nineteen eighty and watch like 3356 03:19:22.360 --> 03:19:25.079 Cannibal Holocaust, where part of the fun of that is 3357 03:19:25.159 --> 03:19:29.280 kind of wincing at how sort of politically naive it 3358 03:19:29.440 --> 03:19:33.760 is to have these retrograde racial representations. But in twenty fifteen, 3359 03:19:33.879 --> 03:19:37.719 it almost seems inexcusable that somebody would kind of pedal 3360 03:19:37.799 --> 03:19:42.680 in these representations without no real awareness of the impact 3361 03:19:42.879 --> 03:19:46.440 it would have on the cultures that it's reflecting. 3362 03:19:46.840 --> 03:19:50.360 Yeah, and I mean and to that end, like you 3363 03:19:50.479 --> 03:19:53.680 better have a good reason, like you're if you're going 3364 03:19:53.760 --> 03:19:57.920 to cross that line and wound this group of people, 3365 03:19:58.000 --> 03:20:00.559 which is what you're doing, right, I mean, you're their 3366 03:20:00.639 --> 03:20:07.000 public image. You're contributing to a really really negative stereotypes 3367 03:20:07.159 --> 03:20:11.719 amount their people that you wouldn't tolerate. You know that 3368 03:20:11.840 --> 03:20:15.680 you certainly wouldn't appreciate being heaped upon yours if you're 3369 03:20:15.719 --> 03:20:18.280 going to do that. And I'm not saying you can't, 3370 03:20:18.639 --> 03:20:20.879 I'm just saying, if you're going to, you need to 3371 03:20:20.959 --> 03:20:24.239 have a real good reason, you know, give us something 3372 03:20:24.959 --> 03:20:29.120 good in return, give give us a payoff for that. 3373 03:20:29.680 --> 03:20:32.440 I think if Eli walked into a producer's office and said, 3374 03:20:32.479 --> 03:20:34.719 here's my next project. It's a horror film. It's a 3375 03:20:34.760 --> 03:20:37.600 bunch of tourists. They go to Harlem, they get captured 3376 03:20:37.639 --> 03:20:39.760 by a black family. They get taken back to a 3377 03:20:39.840 --> 03:20:42.959 crack house and cooked in a big potts. They engage 3378 03:20:43.000 --> 03:20:46.520 in this like African tribal ceremony. Then they all eat 3379 03:20:46.600 --> 03:20:49.479 the white people, you know, unless like maybe Lloyd Coffin 3380 03:20:49.520 --> 03:20:53.239 could pull that off. Actually, but unless it was Lord Lloyd. Yeah, 3381 03:20:53.319 --> 03:20:57.159 unless it was done so knowingly with a satirical point 3382 03:20:57.200 --> 03:20:59.479 of view, I mean, nobody would have a fund that film. 3383 03:20:59.559 --> 03:21:01.719 And there's a big reason for that. It's that black 3384 03:21:01.760 --> 03:21:05.520 people have a visibility in the culture. They already went 3385 03:21:05.680 --> 03:21:09.959 through their own sort of legacy in terms of pushing 3386 03:21:10.639 --> 03:21:15.600 their identity front and center into the popular culture. The 3387 03:21:15.639 --> 03:21:19.719 Black Expolitation movement roots was a big thing, obviously, and 3388 03:21:20.319 --> 03:21:22.840 obviously it's not fully there because you see the way 3389 03:21:22.879 --> 03:21:25.280 people react to a black James Bond or a black 3390 03:21:25.319 --> 03:21:28.280 Star Wars. I mean they lose this shit. But that's 3391 03:21:28.319 --> 03:21:32.200 a more nuanced end of the discussion. The point is 3392 03:21:32.600 --> 03:21:37.399 nobody would think of pedling in such retrograde representations with 3393 03:21:37.520 --> 03:21:40.719 black people the way you do with indigenous people. Why 3394 03:21:41.079 --> 03:21:44.399 they haven't had their movement into the popular culture. They 3395 03:21:44.520 --> 03:21:48.159 exist more visibly now because of the Internet, if you're 3396 03:21:48.159 --> 03:21:50.879 willing to take a look at what they have to 3397 03:21:50.959 --> 03:21:53.959 say on the Internet rather than just mock their activist 3398 03:21:54.040 --> 03:21:57.680 groups like that infamous Green and Fano poster was doing. 3399 03:21:58.120 --> 03:22:00.159 But these people do exist, and they do have a 3400 03:22:00.239 --> 03:22:05.159 perspective that has largely been castigated from popular consciousness. Nobody 3401 03:22:05.280 --> 03:22:09.399 is discussing the racial representations of the Green and Finn 3402 03:22:09.879 --> 03:22:12.319 in the mainstream press. It's just not happening. 3403 03:22:13.000 --> 03:22:18.360 And it's because of how we value Aboriginal lives. Right 3404 03:22:19.040 --> 03:22:22.200 We certainly value them a whole hell of a lot 3405 03:22:22.360 --> 03:22:27.559 less than we value white lives. We certainly value their 3406 03:22:27.639 --> 03:22:29.719 voices a hell of a lot less than we value 3407 03:22:29.760 --> 03:22:32.360 white voices. We value their voices a hell of a 3408 03:22:32.440 --> 03:22:36.559 lot less than I think we value black voices. Or like, 3409 03:22:36.639 --> 03:22:40.280 they're so so far down on the ladder in terms 3410 03:22:40.319 --> 03:22:43.639 of our cultural recognition of them. And maybe maybe this 3411 03:22:43.799 --> 03:22:46.440 is guilt. Maybe this is like we can't look at them, 3412 03:22:46.520 --> 03:22:49.040 we can't see them. We know what we did, you know, 3413 03:22:49.319 --> 03:22:54.360 like we know that we did an irreparable harm to 3414 03:22:54.479 --> 03:22:57.360 these people, and we just can't even we just can't 3415 03:22:57.399 --> 03:23:02.040 even acknowledge them anymore. Maybe that's it. But whatever it is, 3416 03:23:02.200 --> 03:23:05.319 we're not doing it. We're ignoring them. I mean, in 3417 03:23:05.799 --> 03:23:09.760 this in our country right now, you know that there's 3418 03:23:09.799 --> 03:23:12.799 that trail of tears, that that that highway where all 3419 03:23:12.840 --> 03:23:15.760 those Aboriginal women have been disappearing for years. I think 3420 03:23:15.799 --> 03:23:17.680 maybe it's been a victim of a you know, a 3421 03:23:17.760 --> 03:23:20.639 serial killer. They're thinking Robert Picton for a while, or 3422 03:23:21.040 --> 03:23:24.280 some other killer prowling the area. And what we've learned 3423 03:23:24.399 --> 03:23:26.799 now is that you know, the r c MP and 3424 03:23:26.920 --> 03:23:30.239 government ministries and you know all these other you know, 3425 03:23:30.399 --> 03:23:35.000 law enforcement bodies who should be investigating this problem and 3426 03:23:35.079 --> 03:23:38.760 should be attempting to find these women and and find 3427 03:23:39.200 --> 03:23:42.840 out what happened to them and bring their killers to justice. 3428 03:23:43.319 --> 03:23:47.600 And what they did instead was that they triple deleted 3429 03:23:47.680 --> 03:23:51.719 the files and the emails and all this stuff so 3430 03:23:51.840 --> 03:23:55.159 that they were impossible to recover, you know, just just 3431 03:23:55.280 --> 03:23:57.040 to wash it away, just to say, you know what, 3432 03:23:57.200 --> 03:23:59.799 forget about it. Let's let's forget it. It's China to 3433 03:24:00.360 --> 03:24:04.040 you know, just walk away. And that tells you right 3434 03:24:04.120 --> 03:24:09.000 there how much we value our Aboriginal lives here in Canada. 3435 03:24:09.319 --> 03:24:12.799 A couple of years ago, Prime Minister Harper released a 3436 03:24:12.920 --> 03:24:15.280 statement that people have been waiting to listen to for 3437 03:24:15.760 --> 03:24:18.120 a generation or more, and a lot of people were 3438 03:24:18.159 --> 03:24:21.360 critical that the statement in no way goes far enough 3439 03:24:21.440 --> 03:24:25.280 to address the situation, but he apologized for the whole 3440 03:24:25.360 --> 03:24:29.239 treatment of Natives in the residential school system, which is 3441 03:24:29.319 --> 03:24:33.000 basically Canada's genocide and for people who are unaware of 3442 03:24:33.040 --> 03:24:35.959 what happened is Native kids were pulled away from their 3443 03:24:36.000 --> 03:24:39.920 families and sent to these like Catholic boarding schools where 3444 03:24:40.000 --> 03:24:46.239 they were tortured, defiled, raped, and sometimes killed. And it's 3445 03:24:46.479 --> 03:24:49.399 a kind of a deep rift in our cultural psyche 3446 03:24:49.479 --> 03:24:51.600 that we haven't come to terms with. Same with our 3447 03:24:52.280 --> 03:24:56.280 neighbors to the south of the border. The Native exploitation, 3448 03:24:56.479 --> 03:24:59.879 the colonial occupation of Native land, and the repression of 3449 03:25:00.040 --> 03:25:04.159 Indigenous peoples is something we haven't remotely come to terms with. 3450 03:25:04.520 --> 03:25:07.840 They haven't had a roots, you know. The closest they've 3451 03:25:07.879 --> 03:25:11.360 got us dancers with wolves, which glorifies Kevin Costner as 3452 03:25:11.399 --> 03:25:12.360 a savior. 3453 03:25:12.200 --> 03:25:14.920 A white savior. 3454 03:25:15.239 --> 03:25:17.799 And I think this leaves most of the population just 3455 03:25:18.120 --> 03:25:20.719 unaway of how to deal with it. So rather than 3456 03:25:20.959 --> 03:25:25.680 face this ugly part of our collective past, people choose 3457 03:25:25.719 --> 03:25:27.600 to bury their heads in the sand. I had a 3458 03:25:27.680 --> 03:25:30.600 really interesting comment, and I'm not going to mention their 3459 03:25:30.680 --> 03:25:33.280 name because I don't think they were really listening closely 3460 03:25:33.399 --> 03:25:35.840 to anything that I've been talking about with regards to 3461 03:25:35.920 --> 03:25:38.639 this subject. I think it was just a kneejach response. 3462 03:25:39.440 --> 03:25:43.360 But I was challenging that shock till you drop condemnation 3463 03:25:43.680 --> 03:25:46.840 about us falling for the marketing campaign. And I mentioned 3464 03:25:46.879 --> 03:25:50.559 in passing that the big challenge for Bluemhouse was how 3465 03:25:50.639 --> 03:25:54.959 do you sell a cannibal movie in twenty fifteen that 3466 03:25:55.200 --> 03:25:59.920 pedals in retrograde racial stereotypes. And I concluded that guess what, 3467 03:26:00.399 --> 03:26:03.639 you can't hence why the Green Inveno flopped at the 3468 03:26:03.680 --> 03:26:04.360 box office. 3469 03:26:06.000 --> 03:26:06.680 Fucking care. 3470 03:26:06.959 --> 03:26:09.120 So this person comes along, and keep in mind this 3471 03:26:09.239 --> 03:26:13.639 is a well respected DVD distributed and producer of cinnementaries 3472 03:26:13.680 --> 03:26:16.719 and a filmmaker in his own rights, and he accused 3473 03:26:16.760 --> 03:26:21.520 me of being a sensorial voice in horror and compared 3474 03:26:21.600 --> 03:26:26.079 me to Mary Whitehouse, which, of course, to any horror fan, 3475 03:26:26.200 --> 03:26:28.639 that is a horrible comparison to make. I mean, it's 3476 03:26:28.680 --> 03:26:30.920 a defensive one to make to any horror fan to 3477 03:26:31.040 --> 03:26:33.639 compare them to Mary white House, one of the great 3478 03:26:33.719 --> 03:26:35.280 demons against the horror genre. 3479 03:26:38.360 --> 03:26:41.600 The early nineteen eighties marked a revolution in video technology. 3480 03:26:42.159 --> 03:26:45.319 For the first time, courtesy of the VCR, people had 3481 03:26:45.319 --> 03:26:47.600 the means to watch films in the comfort of their 3482 03:26:47.639 --> 03:26:50.639 own homes if they had five hundred quid and a 3483 03:26:50.680 --> 03:26:56.639 Pickford van to get it home. But surprise, surprise, it 3484 03:26:56.799 --> 03:27:01.760 wasn't Panorama they were watching. Almost immediately, unregulated and uncensored 3485 03:27:01.840 --> 03:27:07.920 films became available to hire, uncut from your local video shop. Gory, graphic, 3486 03:27:08.120 --> 03:27:11.639 and gratuitous. These films were flying off the shells and 3487 03:27:11.879 --> 03:27:14.319 leaving viewers so traumatized they could. 3488 03:27:14.159 --> 03:27:15.719 Barely reach for the eject button. 3489 03:27:19.559 --> 03:27:22.879 Fake blood, vacant stairs, and let's be honest, some pretty 3490 03:27:23.040 --> 03:27:26.719 shoddy acting became the hallmarks of what the tabloids quickly 3491 03:27:26.799 --> 03:27:28.680 dubbed the video nasty. 3492 03:27:29.200 --> 03:27:32.000 You know, people who say that why shouldn't adults be 3493 03:27:32.120 --> 03:27:34.319 able to see this kind of thing in their own home? 3494 03:27:35.120 --> 03:27:38.239 I'm half tempted to say that people who make that 3495 03:27:38.440 --> 03:27:42.239 kind of demand, knowing that children are likely to see it, 3496 03:27:42.520 --> 03:27:44.479 aren't really themselves very mature. 3497 03:27:44.639 --> 03:27:47.360 And I don't What I find more offensive about it 3498 03:27:47.719 --> 03:27:51.559 is that you're being accused of this for just critiquing 3499 03:27:51.639 --> 03:27:55.799 something and having a closure look, having the discussion that 3500 03:27:55.879 --> 03:27:57.440 they're saying they want to product. 3501 03:27:57.639 --> 03:28:00.559 Well, here's the thing. I wasn't even condemned the Green 3502 03:28:00.639 --> 03:28:05.200 Inferno for peddling in racial stereotypes. I was just pointing out, 3503 03:28:05.479 --> 03:28:08.959 matter of factly that that's what it does by virtue 3504 03:28:09.000 --> 03:28:11.360 of the fact that it's a cannibal movie. I mean, 3505 03:28:11.440 --> 03:28:13.520 I think this is a no brainer. This isn't even 3506 03:28:13.600 --> 03:28:16.120 something that's up for debate. I mean, I'd love for 3507 03:28:16.200 --> 03:28:18.559 somebody to come along and say, well, actually, you've got 3508 03:28:18.600 --> 03:28:21.520 it all wrong. The Green Inferno is really a really 3509 03:28:21.680 --> 03:28:24.760 positive view of Indigenous people. Actually, the only person trying 3510 03:28:24.799 --> 03:28:28.719 to make that argument is Eli Roth, who has continuously said, 3511 03:28:28.920 --> 03:28:31.719 wait till you see the movie. Guys, it's totally on 3512 03:28:31.840 --> 03:28:34.879 the side of the natives. Amazon watched love that it 3513 03:28:35.000 --> 03:28:36.760 was on the side of the natives. No, they didn't 3514 03:28:36.799 --> 03:28:40.600 hate it the movie. Oh, I mean Manga Bay loved No, 3515 03:28:40.840 --> 03:28:44.079 Manga Bay hated it too. He's like, nobody thinks it's 3516 03:28:44.159 --> 03:28:46.959 on the side of the natives, Eli, But anyway, he's 3517 03:28:47.040 --> 03:28:49.239 the only person that seems to think there's a positive 3518 03:28:49.360 --> 03:28:52.120 racial representation there. I think it's a pretty much a 3519 03:28:52.239 --> 03:28:55.799 no brainer for anybody involved that, Yes, when you depict 3520 03:28:55.879 --> 03:29:00.719 the movie where indigenous tribes in Peru are flesh eating cannibals, 3521 03:29:01.079 --> 03:29:04.200 that's reverting back to this whole view of Indigenous people. 3522 03:29:04.280 --> 03:29:08.079 It's just ruthless savages. I'm not saying sense of the 3523 03:29:08.200 --> 03:29:11.200 movie or boycott the movie, or he was wrong to 3524 03:29:11.280 --> 03:29:13.000 do that. I'm just pointing out, a matter of factly, 3525 03:29:13.079 --> 03:29:14.959 that's what he's doing. And they have to sell this 3526 03:29:15.159 --> 03:29:18.360 movie based on this, and it's a really tricky sell. 3527 03:29:18.719 --> 03:29:23.680 Hence why Bloomhouse really failed to find proper traction with 3528 03:29:23.840 --> 03:29:26.959 their marketing campaign, and hence all the flip flopping that 3529 03:29:27.040 --> 03:29:27.600 they were doing. 3530 03:29:27.840 --> 03:29:30.440 Yeah, I don't even get. I don't get how you 3531 03:29:30.600 --> 03:29:33.600 sell this movie. I don't, especially when you see the 3532 03:29:33.639 --> 03:29:36.440 final product, right, I mean, how do you sell that? 3533 03:29:37.239 --> 03:29:39.719 It's like I said before, it's missing that element that 3534 03:29:40.079 --> 03:29:44.879 redeems or even attempts to redeem the regressive portrayal. Right, 3535 03:29:45.680 --> 03:29:48.680 you need that in order to make this something that 3536 03:29:48.799 --> 03:29:51.760 you can sell to people, and it lacks it. There's 3537 03:29:51.959 --> 03:29:54.200 nothing that redeems any of it. 3538 03:29:54.680 --> 03:29:57.399 The film came about from what I saw in this 3539 03:29:57.559 --> 03:30:00.879 trend of this lazy form of activism, this slacktivis, and 3540 03:30:00.959 --> 03:30:03.520 everyone's like, if you don't tweet free pussy riot, what's 3541 03:30:03.559 --> 03:30:05.239 wrong with you? Don't you care about these girls? Oh 3542 03:30:05.239 --> 03:30:07.000 you must be against freedom to speek. People are getting 3543 03:30:07.079 --> 03:30:10.440 so self righteous and so angry over this thing that 3544 03:30:10.520 --> 03:30:12.760 they knew nothing about twenty four hours earlier. 3545 03:30:12.840 --> 03:30:13.479 I wanted to make a. 3546 03:30:13.520 --> 03:30:15.799 Movie about these types of kids, these kids that aren't 3547 03:30:15.879 --> 03:30:18.000 really interested in the cause they want the shortcut. 3548 03:30:18.239 --> 03:30:19.719 I am so sick of all of them. 3549 03:30:19.799 --> 03:30:22.079 So I'm taking these people and i am baking them, 3550 03:30:22.079 --> 03:30:23.760 and I'm chopping them up, and I'm eating them and 3551 03:30:23.840 --> 03:30:24.799 I'm laughing at them. 3552 03:30:31.079 --> 03:30:34.079 So to pick up where we left off with Jungle 3553 03:30:34.159 --> 03:30:37.559 Gate Volume two, following those episodes, I went back and 3554 03:30:37.639 --> 03:30:41.040 I actually spend some time reading through a lot of 3555 03:30:41.120 --> 03:30:46.440 the Instagram comments on Amerindian fourteen ninety one's account, and 3556 03:30:46.559 --> 03:30:52.000 it was really interesting to see the perspective from indigenous people, 3557 03:30:52.639 --> 03:30:59.159 from natives, how they feel about these representations in the culture. Now, 3558 03:30:59.239 --> 03:31:02.360 of course, we're both grown ups. We've been horror fans 3559 03:31:02.399 --> 03:31:06.440 for a long time. We've seen cannibal movies going back decades. 3560 03:31:06.680 --> 03:31:10.040 We're not gonna spe squeamish at a cannibal movie. In fact, 3561 03:31:10.079 --> 03:31:13.399 when I even first hit that Eli Roth was gonna 3562 03:31:13.440 --> 03:31:17.280 make a cannibal movie called The Green Infano, my fast 3563 03:31:17.360 --> 03:31:20.600 reaction was, well, what a fantastic title. Of course you're 3564 03:31:20.600 --> 03:31:22.440 gonna call it The Green in ferdo right. 3565 03:31:22.600 --> 03:31:24.719 It's great title, it's spectacular. 3566 03:31:24.879 --> 03:31:27.120 But I'm a white guy who gives a fuck what 3567 03:31:27.280 --> 03:31:30.520 I think about the racial representation. It's not my culture 3568 03:31:30.600 --> 03:31:31.840 being reflected in there. 3569 03:31:32.239 --> 03:31:34.760 Yeah, and it's it's certainly not my culture, I mean, 3570 03:31:34.879 --> 03:31:39.399 or barely my culture. So we're not tuned in in 3571 03:31:39.559 --> 03:31:44.079 that way, we're not on that wavelength. The perspectives of 3572 03:31:44.559 --> 03:31:49.200 natives have not sort of breached the cultural surface so 3573 03:31:49.360 --> 03:31:52.719 that people like us can be properly sensitized to them. 3574 03:31:53.000 --> 03:31:56.559 So here's a choice one has with a situation like 3575 03:31:56.680 --> 03:32:00.559 this one. You can be like a nipple dippy and 3576 03:32:00.799 --> 03:32:06.280 just completely dismiss the indigenous perspective. Don't engage in it, 3577 03:32:06.840 --> 03:32:09.920 don't listen to it, don't think about it, don't seek 3578 03:32:10.000 --> 03:32:12.959 it out, completely block it out of your consciousness. And 3579 03:32:13.079 --> 03:32:15.799 if it still pops up and gets in your face somehow, 3580 03:32:16.120 --> 03:32:18.520 you scream at it to shut the fuck up. 3581 03:32:18.879 --> 03:32:23.079 Yeah, you just gotta pound that shit down there, that 3582 03:32:23.840 --> 03:32:27.840 that nail is going in there, that you know that 3583 03:32:28.760 --> 03:32:32.159 it that floorboard will never fucking creak again. You got 3584 03:32:32.239 --> 03:32:32.920 to make sure. 3585 03:32:33.040 --> 03:32:34.760 Shut the fuck up. 3586 03:32:35.040 --> 03:32:38.479 Or how about just being curious about it and just wondering, 3587 03:32:38.959 --> 03:32:42.319 you know what, what does a young person of indigenous 3588 03:32:42.440 --> 03:32:46.040 descent think when they go on YouTube and they see 3589 03:32:46.079 --> 03:32:48.239 a trailer for a movie like The Green and Finnal 3590 03:32:48.319 --> 03:32:52.479 that's just wallowing in these retrograde racial stereotypes. How does 3591 03:32:52.559 --> 03:32:57.879 that impact a young Indigenous person and a Native growing 3592 03:32:58.000 --> 03:33:01.000 up in this culture where the report presentations of their 3593 03:33:01.120 --> 03:33:06.799 people are largely being determined by other cultures and are 3594 03:33:06.920 --> 03:33:12.479 largely very negative and repressive by nature, how would you feel? 3595 03:33:12.600 --> 03:33:14.559 I know if I was like a sixteen year old 3596 03:33:14.680 --> 03:33:17.000 Native kid growing up in all of this stuff, give 3597 03:33:17.040 --> 03:33:20.879 them my disposition, I would fucking hate white people. So 3598 03:33:21.040 --> 03:33:24.559 by going through Ammerindian's posts and I'll provide links to 3599 03:33:24.639 --> 03:33:26.840 all this stuff if people want to play along at home, 3600 03:33:27.239 --> 03:33:30.879 you really get a sense of the frustration these young 3601 03:33:31.200 --> 03:33:35.399 Native people feel with seeing their culture reflected in the mainstream. 3602 03:33:35.959 --> 03:33:38.159 So I want to read a few comments because I 3603 03:33:38.200 --> 03:33:42.920 think this will help illustrate exactly the perspective we're talking about, 3604 03:33:43.000 --> 03:33:45.479 not that the mainstream how oppress haven't been doing this 3605 03:33:45.680 --> 03:33:48.040 and a good job of doing it. Of course, not 3606 03:33:48.200 --> 03:33:51.479 to be redundant, it's exactly. 3607 03:33:52.000 --> 03:33:54.680 I mean, you know, we don't mean to pile on, 3608 03:33:55.200 --> 03:33:58.239 but you know, I guess we need to make our point. 3609 03:33:58.600 --> 03:34:01.200 The comment that I think made the most impact on me, 3610 03:34:01.280 --> 03:34:03.239 and I couldn't actually trace it back to its souce, 3611 03:34:03.280 --> 03:34:06.520 so I forget who said this, But somebody said, I'm 3612 03:34:06.719 --> 03:34:10.840 sick of being trapped in the white man's imagination. 3613 03:34:11.760 --> 03:34:17.120 Yeah, that's that's powerful. I mean, just just an imagery alone, 3614 03:34:17.280 --> 03:34:20.559 that's a that's a powerful statement. But when you think 3615 03:34:20.600 --> 03:34:25.399 about its implications and realizing that people aren't seeing you 3616 03:34:25.559 --> 03:34:30.239 as anything more than a loose collection of stereotypes. 3617 03:34:29.559 --> 03:34:31.520 You know, if people are having a hard time kind 3618 03:34:31.559 --> 03:34:34.040 of getting their head around trying to look at this 3619 03:34:34.799 --> 03:34:38.120 from an indigenous point of view, let me point out that. 3620 03:34:38.319 --> 03:34:41.639 And I'm sure everybody has felt this way with respects 3621 03:34:41.719 --> 03:34:46.399 to something specific to them, when they see things reflected 3622 03:34:46.600 --> 03:34:51.120 in the culture that doesn't accurately represent something that they 3623 03:34:51.479 --> 03:34:57.159 understand fundamentally. Me I'm particularly sensitive too. For instance, when 3624 03:34:57.200 --> 03:35:01.079 I saw Alex Cox's Sid Nancy, which is a great 3625 03:35:01.159 --> 03:35:05.680 portrait of Sid Nancy's relationship, but it's a completely wrongheaded 3626 03:35:05.760 --> 03:35:08.760 and dismissive view of the sex pistols and their importance 3627 03:35:09.120 --> 03:35:12.319 because it's actually based on the Nancy Sponging book, which 3628 03:35:12.479 --> 03:35:15.799 is completely dismissive of the pistols. And as much as 3629 03:35:15.920 --> 03:35:18.879 Alex Cock seems to think he was doing all his research, 3630 03:35:19.200 --> 03:35:22.280 he actually gets it really wrong. So, as a lifelong 3631 03:35:22.719 --> 03:35:27.959 pistols aficionado and devotee, I really resented how they were 3632 03:35:28.079 --> 03:35:31.959 portrayed in the movie Sid Nancy. I have a friend 3633 03:35:32.000 --> 03:35:34.799 who's a jazz musician and I saw the movie Whiplash, 3634 03:35:34.840 --> 03:35:36.639 and I wrote to him and said, wasn't that fantastic? 3635 03:35:36.760 --> 03:35:39.120 He said, well, the jazz is really like all over 3636 03:35:39.200 --> 03:35:40.840 the place in that. And I guess he's got a 3637 03:35:40.879 --> 03:35:44.440 friend who's a trumpet player who hates the movie because 3638 03:35:44.479 --> 03:35:48.360 of how wrong the jazz is in the film. And 3639 03:35:48.440 --> 03:35:51.799 I'm sure anybody's had that experience, you know, if you're 3640 03:35:51.840 --> 03:35:54.719 a car mechanic, for instance, I'm sure the Fast and 3641 03:35:54.799 --> 03:35:59.319 the Furious films play loose with the rules of car mechanics. 3642 03:35:59.360 --> 03:36:01.719 I have no idea. I don't know enough about that will, 3643 03:36:01.799 --> 03:36:03.239 but I'm sure everybody can relate. 3644 03:36:03.479 --> 03:36:06.040 Yeah, if you're like a like a computer hacker or something, 3645 03:36:06.200 --> 03:36:10.360 I'm reasonably certain that any sort of computer hacking scene 3646 03:36:10.479 --> 03:36:14.200 in any movie ever hasn't just been the most frustrating 3647 03:36:14.360 --> 03:36:17.360 exercise possible where you're just screaming at the screen of 3648 03:36:17.479 --> 03:36:20.120 side out. It fucking works. What are you're fucking getting me? 3649 03:36:20.399 --> 03:36:23.520 Fuck, anybody who owns a computer reacts. 3650 03:36:23.200 --> 03:36:24.520 That way exactly. 3651 03:36:24.879 --> 03:36:27.079 So I mean it's like, I gotta even get my 3652 03:36:27.200 --> 03:36:29.920 computer to boot up properly, and these guys are like 3653 03:36:30.040 --> 03:36:33.639 lugging in in two seconds flat. They've cracked the nuclear codes. 3654 03:36:34.040 --> 03:36:38.319 Exactly exactly, Like Hollywood has just not found a non 3655 03:36:38.440 --> 03:36:41.879 absurd way to portray that particular thing, and it drives 3656 03:36:41.920 --> 03:36:46.719 people crazy and it sticks out and it rings untrue. 3657 03:36:47.680 --> 03:36:50.879 And I think that's what gets us is that it 3658 03:36:51.360 --> 03:36:54.959 offends a certain sense of moral justice. We expect there 3659 03:36:55.040 --> 03:36:58.079 to be right, Like, no, this rings false to me, 3660 03:36:58.200 --> 03:37:00.760 and I want to correct falsehood. 3661 03:37:01.000 --> 03:37:04.479 So it's not a stretch to understand that this is 3662 03:37:04.559 --> 03:37:08.360 how indigenous people feel when their culture is maligned in 3663 03:37:08.479 --> 03:37:11.879 these ways. And it's much more serious than pissing somebody 3664 03:37:12.000 --> 03:37:16.120 off because they're a fan of music or their occupation 3665 03:37:16.319 --> 03:37:18.879 or something. This is a culture, a culture that's been 3666 03:37:18.959 --> 03:37:23.600 subjected to genocide and repression and continues to be subjected 3667 03:37:23.680 --> 03:37:27.239 to those forces, especially the indigenous people in the Amazon 3668 03:37:27.479 --> 03:37:32.440 who are under threat daily from genocidal programs infiltrated by 3669 03:37:32.559 --> 03:37:34.600 big business interests in the region. 3670 03:37:34.799 --> 03:37:37.879 Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely no question that this is 3671 03:37:38.000 --> 03:37:42.680 several orders of magnitude more important. However, I will bet 3672 03:37:42.760 --> 03:37:46.399 you dollars to donuts that were you to google the 3673 03:37:46.559 --> 03:37:51.000 two issues, you will find far more forums filled with 3674 03:37:51.159 --> 03:37:56.719 people complaining about how inaccurate the movie Hackers was versus 3675 03:37:57.639 --> 03:38:01.920 you know, people complaining about how accurate the portrayal of 3676 03:38:02.120 --> 03:38:04.719 Native Peruvians is in The Green Inferno. 3677 03:38:05.239 --> 03:38:07.760 Here's another comment that really made an impact on me. 3678 03:38:08.200 --> 03:38:11.840 It's from a woman named o Prido. That's her Instagram account. 3679 03:38:12.360 --> 03:38:16.000 She seems to be a young teenage Indigenous girl. Here 3680 03:38:16.079 --> 03:38:19.559 response to the trailer was as follows. She said, this 3681 03:38:19.840 --> 03:38:26.120 really got to me. I'm heartbroken. They white supremacy is 3682 03:38:26.319 --> 03:38:29.959 always attacking our people, people of color. I'm in tears 3683 03:38:30.120 --> 03:38:33.079 right now. Our people from the South need us more 3684 03:38:33.120 --> 03:38:36.120 than ever. Let's show them we are not separate, that 3685 03:38:36.239 --> 03:38:40.639 it doesn't matter the distance nor time, we will always 3686 03:38:40.719 --> 03:38:43.799 be there for each other. We are not extinct. We 3687 03:38:43.959 --> 03:38:48.559 are the Rebate movement. We are indigenous natives of this land. 3688 03:38:49.040 --> 03:38:52.360 Now you might think, Okay, she's probably like a sixteen 3689 03:38:52.440 --> 03:38:56.600 year old girl, maybe she's a bit hypersensitive, touch hyperbolic, 3690 03:38:56.959 --> 03:39:01.920 but that's here visceral response stration the pain that she 3691 03:39:02.360 --> 03:39:06.239 feels living in a culture where this repression is a 3692 03:39:06.479 --> 03:39:08.559 daily fucking fact. 3693 03:39:09.159 --> 03:39:13.399 The term that really sticks out to me, and that 3694 03:39:14.159 --> 03:39:17.719 is interesting because it is hyperbolic and yet not at 3695 03:39:17.719 --> 03:39:21.959 all hyperbolic, is extinction when she talks about the extinction 3696 03:39:22.799 --> 03:39:27.639 of her people, because that's a very real fear and concern. 3697 03:39:28.920 --> 03:39:33.239 You know, when Star Wars fans talk about white genocide, 3698 03:39:33.799 --> 03:39:37.479 it's hard to take that seriously when you're compared with 3699 03:39:38.239 --> 03:39:45.319 this girl's really anguished expression about the possible collapse an 3700 03:39:45.760 --> 03:39:50.440 end of her culture and her line. I mean, this 3701 03:39:50.680 --> 03:39:55.360 is so, this is a real genocide, and the use 3702 03:39:55.440 --> 03:39:59.360 of that word extinct just is so damn tragic to me. 3703 03:40:00.079 --> 03:40:03.440 I named Lindsay. That's actually his Instagram account. Guy named 3704 03:40:03.440 --> 03:40:08.159 Lindsay said, if anyone wants to collaborate on a truthful 3705 03:40:08.280 --> 03:40:11.559 film about what really goes on when Europeans set foot 3706 03:40:11.639 --> 03:40:15.319 on Indigenous land, hit me up. I've got the equipment 3707 03:40:15.920 --> 03:40:19.559 and the time. Of course, that's the great irony about 3708 03:40:19.600 --> 03:40:23.000 the Green Inferno is to castigate the Indigenous people as 3709 03:40:23.040 --> 03:40:27.520 the ruthless savages when history tells a completely different tale. 3710 03:40:28.120 --> 03:40:30.920 History tells the story of how it's the white European 3711 03:40:31.079 --> 03:40:35.600 colonial conquerors who were the savages who subjected these people 3712 03:40:35.680 --> 03:40:39.079 to torture and genocide and illness and death and repression 3713 03:40:39.159 --> 03:40:43.040 and exploitation. It's the white guys who are the bad guys. 3714 03:40:43.079 --> 03:40:43.200 Now. 3715 03:40:43.280 --> 03:40:46.479 Eli seemed to think the white people were the bad 3716 03:40:46.600 --> 03:40:50.399 guys in the Green Inferno. But that's only because Eli 3717 03:40:50.639 --> 03:40:52.959 is a deeply confused human being, which I think we 3718 03:40:53.079 --> 03:40:56.200 all understand. By this point, you must. 3719 03:40:56.079 --> 03:40:57.719 Admit it's exceptional footage. 3720 03:40:58.479 --> 03:41:01.639 I didn't expect such impact, such authenticity. 3721 03:41:02.120 --> 03:41:04.760 I don't know. I don't think exception was the right word. 3722 03:41:05.799 --> 03:41:09.719 You don't, no, I mean, what's exceptional about a primitive 3723 03:41:09.760 --> 03:41:13.760 tribe your crumo be terrorized and forced into doing something 3724 03:41:13.799 --> 03:41:14.879 that they don't normally. 3725 03:41:15.000 --> 03:41:19.600 Just come on, now, professor, let's be realistic. Who knows 3726 03:41:19.639 --> 03:41:24.520 anything about the echo civilization today? People want sensationalists. The 3727 03:41:24.639 --> 03:41:26.879 more you rape their senses, the happier they are. 3728 03:41:27.559 --> 03:41:30.520 What I like about this guy's remark is that it's 3729 03:41:30.639 --> 03:41:34.280 it's so enthusiastic, it's got this like it's hopeful. It's like, 3730 03:41:34.399 --> 03:41:36.559 let's go and let's go and do our own thing. 3731 03:41:36.680 --> 03:41:40.799 Let's let's build our own you know, media, let's let's 3732 03:41:40.959 --> 03:41:42.120 tell our own stories. 3733 03:41:42.399 --> 03:41:45.840 Well, it's like what roots did for slavery. This story 3734 03:41:45.920 --> 03:41:48.799 will eventually come out. There'll be a mini series that 3735 03:41:49.000 --> 03:41:54.120 explores the true colonial repression of Indigenous people. It'll be 3736 03:41:54.200 --> 03:41:57.760 called like Fuck Columbus Day, the Mini Series or something. 3737 03:41:58.440 --> 03:42:02.159 They'll finally make a proper film version of you know, 3738 03:42:02.600 --> 03:42:06.040 Bill Burrow's Thanksgiving Prayer or something like that, and just 3739 03:42:06.360 --> 03:42:10.399 horrify a whole nation as it should, you know, and 3740 03:42:10.799 --> 03:42:13.879 this will finally just you know, we'll confront it. We'll 3741 03:42:13.920 --> 03:42:16.719 confront it somehow, we'll grapple with it somehow. 3742 03:42:17.000 --> 03:42:19.319 And to expand upon the same point, somebody joined in 3743 03:42:19.399 --> 03:42:22.600 and said, I hate it when they make white people 3744 03:42:22.760 --> 03:42:27.760 innocent and Indigenous people bloodthirsty, Like seriously, it was white 3745 03:42:27.799 --> 03:42:31.000 people that came here and raped the women, whilst the 3746 03:42:31.159 --> 03:42:35.159 others burned their homes and stole their culture just so 3747 03:42:35.319 --> 03:42:39.600 their descendants could appropriate it. And of course all of 3748 03:42:39.639 --> 03:42:44.040 this really begs the question is to what degree do 3749 03:42:44.159 --> 03:42:47.680 you think Eli Roth, setting out to make this movie 3750 03:42:48.440 --> 03:42:53.520 really stop to think about these types of perspectives. Have 3751 03:42:53.639 --> 03:42:57.239 they simply just taken him by surprise, like he's made 3752 03:42:57.280 --> 03:42:59.879 the movies put it out there, and it's getting the 3753 03:43:00.200 --> 03:43:03.920 kind of reaction Basonally, I haven't seen any Indigenous people 3754 03:43:04.040 --> 03:43:07.319 actually champion the film or defend the film, but I 3755 03:43:07.399 --> 03:43:12.440 have seen a wide spread rejection of the movie. Any 3756 03:43:12.600 --> 03:43:15.959 article that I've seen from like a Native website or 3757 03:43:16.040 --> 03:43:20.840 a magazine or something that has been uniformally denouncing Eli's film. 3758 03:43:21.159 --> 03:43:23.319 Do you think he was aware that this was the 3759 03:43:23.440 --> 03:43:25.399 reaction that he was going to get with the movie. 3760 03:43:25.959 --> 03:43:29.639 I don't see how it's possible that he couldn't, being 3761 03:43:29.879 --> 03:43:34.079 that The one thing that we, I think everybody knows 3762 03:43:34.479 --> 03:43:38.520 and admires about Eli Roth, and the thing that I 3763 03:43:38.600 --> 03:43:42.280 think makes us hopeful that he has a masterful piece 3764 03:43:42.319 --> 03:43:46.959 of cinema in him is that he is an adherent 3765 03:43:47.479 --> 03:43:51.920 to genre of culture. He knows the films, you know, 3766 03:43:53.319 --> 03:43:55.639 I mean he titled this film the Green Inferto. You know, 3767 03:43:56.639 --> 03:44:01.200 he knows the origins of this story, he knows the 3768 03:44:01.319 --> 03:44:04.479 places that he's pulling this film from, and so surely 3769 03:44:04.799 --> 03:44:10.360 he also knows the reactions to cannibal Holocaust. So as 3770 03:44:10.399 --> 03:44:13.120 a student of this film, you know, as someone who 3771 03:44:13.239 --> 03:44:17.680 respects it the way he claims to, and someone who 3772 03:44:17.760 --> 03:44:20.879 has the breadth of knowledge about it that he must have. 3773 03:44:21.719 --> 03:44:24.159 He can't not know. There's no way he can't know. 3774 03:44:24.440 --> 03:44:25.239 It's impossible. 3775 03:44:25.719 --> 03:44:29.559 Somebody named Tucker's five five six showed up to say, 3776 03:44:29.680 --> 03:44:33.239 and this is a common nipple dipper expression. You hear 3777 03:44:33.319 --> 03:44:37.159 it applied all the time ad nauseum. They said, dude, 3778 03:44:37.520 --> 03:44:39.040 it's just a movie. 3779 03:44:39.959 --> 03:44:47.159 Keep repeating in his only movie, it take as. 3780 03:44:47.200 --> 03:44:51.440 Much as you can only And the astonishing thing about 3781 03:44:51.479 --> 03:44:55.280 that point of view is that, yeah, it's a movie, 3782 03:44:55.840 --> 03:45:00.680 i e. The most powerful and influential form of mass 3783 03:45:00.760 --> 03:45:05.200 communication ever devised by human beings in the history of 3784 03:45:05.440 --> 03:45:10.879 planet Earth. Yes, that's a movie, just a movie. So 3785 03:45:10.959 --> 03:45:14.440 then Amerindian fourteen ninety one counters this with what I 3786 03:45:14.479 --> 03:45:18.079 think is a really sensible statement that actually illustrates the 3787 03:45:18.159 --> 03:45:21.879 point perfectly. He said, with the movie The Green and 3788 03:45:22.000 --> 03:45:26.120 Ferno coming out, I wanted to make a point of 3789 03:45:26.280 --> 03:45:30.639 how perception is reality. For those who want to argue 3790 03:45:30.680 --> 03:45:33.719 that it's just a movie, then they are denying the 3791 03:45:33.920 --> 03:45:38.440 influence of films, even in a horror movie. How did 3792 03:45:38.520 --> 03:45:42.120 the Native Americans of the United States get the stereotype 3793 03:45:42.600 --> 03:45:46.399 that we were bloodthirsty savages? Just look at the Cowboy 3794 03:45:46.479 --> 03:45:49.479 and Indians movies from the fifties. I just read an 3795 03:45:49.600 --> 03:45:53.120 article about the movie Sideways, where one of the character 3796 03:45:53.239 --> 03:45:57.120 loves drinking red wine Pino Noir while shitting on the 3797 03:45:57.200 --> 03:46:01.399 more popular wine at the time, Melow. Following the film's release, 3798 03:46:01.879 --> 03:46:07.120 Melow sales dropped two percent, while Pino Noir jumped sixteen percent. 3799 03:46:07.639 --> 03:46:10.719 There is one hundred more examples of how films can influence, 3800 03:46:11.159 --> 03:46:14.799 from all Arabs and terrorists to all Asian women love 3801 03:46:14.879 --> 03:46:18.399 white men. So even though this movie director, who actually 3802 03:46:18.440 --> 03:46:22.239 played one of my favorite characters in Glorious Bastards, assured 3803 03:46:22.319 --> 03:46:24.600 me that by the end of the film we will 3804 03:46:24.639 --> 03:46:27.440 be rooting for the Amazon Indians and looking at the 3805 03:46:27.479 --> 03:46:30.799 big oil companies as the true savages, I still have 3806 03:46:31.000 --> 03:46:31.600 my doubts. 3807 03:46:32.079 --> 03:46:36.000 Antonio Margaradi, and I think that's just a really perfect 3808 03:46:36.120 --> 03:46:41.799 way of explaining how films actually impact our view of 3809 03:46:41.879 --> 03:46:44.000 the world more so than any other media. 3810 03:46:44.159 --> 03:46:48.959 Motion pictures and their more insidious offspring television are the 3811 03:46:49.159 --> 03:46:52.440 most powerful mass communication. 3812 03:46:51.920 --> 03:46:52.920 Tools we have. 3813 03:46:53.159 --> 03:46:56.120 They will do more to influence our view of the 3814 03:46:56.239 --> 03:47:01.079 world than literature, the music certainly more or an interpretive 3815 03:47:01.239 --> 03:47:03.239 dance exactly. 3816 03:47:03.360 --> 03:47:06.760 And this is why you know this is an extremely 3817 03:47:07.399 --> 03:47:14.440 important comment because in it, Ammerindian shows a greater respect 3818 03:47:14.600 --> 03:47:18.200 for the medium than this person who feels like they're 3819 03:47:18.239 --> 03:47:20.639 a defender of the medium. You know that they're going 3820 03:47:20.680 --> 03:47:22.399 to there to protect this medium. 3821 03:47:22.559 --> 03:47:26.000 Amerindian points out the whole Pino noir thing from Sideways, 3822 03:47:26.040 --> 03:47:28.200 which I actually didn't know until I read that comment. 3823 03:47:28.280 --> 03:47:30.159 But it doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, that 3824 03:47:30.319 --> 03:47:33.239 was such a famous part of that movie, and it 3825 03:47:33.360 --> 03:47:35.879 was the first time that I ever thought what people 3826 03:47:36.239 --> 03:47:39.360 look down on Mellow, actually they don't. That's sort of 3827 03:47:39.399 --> 03:47:42.000 a fallacy in the film that that character just has 3828 03:47:42.040 --> 03:47:45.280 a peculiar hang up on Melo. But I think people 3829 03:47:45.680 --> 03:47:48.159 whine is like one of those things that nobody understands. 3830 03:47:48.239 --> 03:47:50.680 It's like the Emperor's New Clothes sort of thing, Like 3831 03:47:50.760 --> 03:47:53.719 everyone wants to think that they're Somalia when they don't 3832 03:47:53.760 --> 03:47:56.280 even can't even tell a cheap bottle of plunk from 3833 03:47:56.319 --> 03:47:59.639 a fine vintage or even understand it unless they're educated 3834 03:47:59.719 --> 03:48:02.079 in it or come from a culture of it. But 3835 03:48:02.239 --> 03:48:05.799 nobody wants to look ignorant. So I could totally see 3836 03:48:06.280 --> 03:48:10.360 that that moment in Sideways would make people react. I've 3837 03:48:10.399 --> 03:48:14.399 actually seen it. I've actually seen people since that movie Melow. 3838 03:48:14.520 --> 03:48:17.639 Oh no, Melow. I would never drink Malow. Are you crazy? 3839 03:48:19.079 --> 03:48:21.399 But I did read Alexander Paine said, well, there's actually 3840 03:48:21.440 --> 03:48:24.079 nothing wrong with Malow. It's just that character had a 3841 03:48:24.120 --> 03:48:27.159 peculiar quake, and that's all that was based on. And 3842 03:48:27.239 --> 03:48:31.719 perhaps the most insidious example we have in history of 3843 03:48:31.840 --> 03:48:36.639 how films influence public opinion is the success of D. W. 3844 03:48:36.920 --> 03:48:41.799 Griffith's Birth of a Nation, which lionizes the ku Klux Klan, 3845 03:48:41.959 --> 03:48:46.159 which at the time were in decline. They were practically extinct, 3846 03:48:46.639 --> 03:48:50.600 but the popularity of that film brought about a huge, 3847 03:48:50.760 --> 03:48:54.959 massive resurgence in the ku Klux Klan. So that is 3848 03:48:55.079 --> 03:49:00.520 like a crystal clear historical example of how filmed, yes 3849 03:49:00.799 --> 03:49:05.000 only films, influence and shape public opinion. 3850 03:49:05.520 --> 03:49:08.959 I mean, I mean, this is the thing. It's so clear. 3851 03:49:09.200 --> 03:49:13.000 I mean, I don't understand how people who perhaps they 3852 03:49:13.079 --> 03:49:16.319 haven't heard of like Lenny Reefinstahl, you know, like like 3853 03:49:16.680 --> 03:49:20.040 maybe they've just never seen any of those, you know, 3854 03:49:20.799 --> 03:49:23.879 the Nazi propaganda films. And I hate to go there 3855 03:49:23.879 --> 03:49:25.319 because you know people are gonna say, oh, you had 3856 03:49:25.360 --> 03:49:28.000 to invoke the Nazis, and you know, you can't make 3857 03:49:28.040 --> 03:49:30.840 your point without bringing the bloody Nazis into it. But 3858 03:49:31.040 --> 03:49:35.440 I mean, really think about it. It was radio and 3859 03:49:35.760 --> 03:49:41.159 cinema that really propelled Hitler to power. The ability to 3860 03:49:41.319 --> 03:49:45.799 project his voice and the voice of his spokespeople into 3861 03:49:45.879 --> 03:49:50.440 people's homes through radio, through that field of mass communication 3862 03:49:51.120 --> 03:49:55.280 was so immensely powerful, and he used it to his advantage. 3863 03:49:55.399 --> 03:49:59.479 And then by getting a reef install involved and bringing 3864 03:49:59.559 --> 03:50:03.719 that power the cinema and combining the sound with the image, 3865 03:50:04.200 --> 03:50:07.159 and so you had these the oratory that that he 3866 03:50:07.440 --> 03:50:14.920 was known for merged with this triumphalist imagery, this powerful potent. 3867 03:50:15.200 --> 03:50:19.959 You know, these images fire and red banners and you 3868 03:50:20.079 --> 03:50:24.440 know those reefinshall angles that upward, you know, looking up 3869 03:50:24.479 --> 03:50:27.440 at the man on the podium and seeing him in 3870 03:50:27.520 --> 03:50:31.399 all his glory standing above this. You know, these these 3871 03:50:31.520 --> 03:50:34.760 perfectly formed lines of soldiers. I mean, this is this 3872 03:50:35.000 --> 03:50:39.360 was powerful, powerful stuff, and stuff that people hadn't engaged 3873 03:50:39.399 --> 03:50:41.760 yet at that point. You know, this was the This 3874 03:50:41.959 --> 03:50:43.959 was the first time people were seeing a lot of this, 3875 03:50:44.600 --> 03:50:46.760 and lo and behold what was the result. You know, 3876 03:50:47.559 --> 03:50:49.959 He's He's chancellor in no time. 3877 03:50:50.040 --> 03:50:52.559 You know, to me, it's crazy that was sitting here 3878 03:50:52.760 --> 03:50:57.920 even debating. We're not debating, but even discussing the concept 3879 03:50:58.479 --> 03:51:02.239 that movies and shape public opinion. It's nuts to me 3880 03:51:02.399 --> 03:51:04.959 to think that people actually don't think this is the case. 3881 03:51:05.360 --> 03:51:07.879 And I'm sure there's some people listening going who doesn't 3882 03:51:07.959 --> 03:51:10.760 understand this by now, But believe me, I've been seeing 3883 03:51:10.840 --> 03:51:15.159 that comment applied over and over and over again, not 3884 03:51:15.319 --> 03:51:18.559 just from nipple dippers, not just from children, not just 3885 03:51:18.639 --> 03:51:22.680 from teenagers, not just from totally uneducated people who've clearly 3886 03:51:22.840 --> 03:51:25.680 never even stopped to think about the nature of the 3887 03:51:25.760 --> 03:51:29.239 world that we live in, but people who are surprisingly 3888 03:51:29.840 --> 03:51:34.440 well versed in genre culture. It's crazy to me that 3889 03:51:34.559 --> 03:51:37.719 we're even stopping to take time out to illustrate what 3890 03:51:37.920 --> 03:51:42.280 is so plainly self evident to anybody that has even 3891 03:51:42.399 --> 03:51:46.600 stopped and analyzed, not even analyzed, but even just observed 3892 03:51:46.719 --> 03:51:49.120 the world that we live in for four seconds. 3893 03:51:49.879 --> 03:51:54.440 But this is where we touch on something very fascinating, 3894 03:51:54.760 --> 03:51:59.440 because what this reveals is that the contortions that these 3895 03:51:59.479 --> 03:52:05.120 people are willing to twist themselves into to avoid uncomfortable 3896 03:52:05.399 --> 03:52:11.639 confrontation with their psyche and to avoid uncomfortable ideas about 3897 03:52:11.680 --> 03:52:15.319 the media they're consuming that may change it for them 3898 03:52:15.600 --> 03:52:20.280 from just you know, kicks and fun to maybe something 3899 03:52:20.399 --> 03:52:24.959 a little more profound and something that may lead them 3900 03:52:25.120 --> 03:52:28.879 in different ways in life. I mean, this is the 3901 03:52:29.040 --> 03:52:32.840 lengths they're willing to go to. To not think about 3902 03:52:32.959 --> 03:52:36.120 that is to is to try and hold the position 3903 03:52:36.280 --> 03:52:40.360 that nope, it's just movies. And I think at the 3904 03:52:40.479 --> 03:52:44.360 heart of that all is a desire to avoid shame, right. 3905 03:52:44.559 --> 03:52:50.319 It's it's people wanting to not feel people who have 3906 03:52:50.639 --> 03:52:54.280 been made to feel ashamed embarrassed of things that they 3907 03:52:54.600 --> 03:52:57.799 liked and media that they enjoyed. And maybe they liked 3908 03:52:58.280 --> 03:53:03.360 weirdo movies or maybe they just were into different things 3909 03:53:03.399 --> 03:53:05.079 than other people were, and they were made to feel 3910 03:53:05.120 --> 03:53:07.840 embarrassed and and shamed about it, and they were kind 3911 03:53:07.879 --> 03:53:11.040 of ostracized about it. And so now the lengths I'm 3912 03:53:11.079 --> 03:53:13.520 willing to go to that. First of all, they almost 3913 03:53:13.559 --> 03:53:15.120 wear that as a badge of honor, like, hey, I 3914 03:53:15.319 --> 03:53:18.840 was shamed to enjoy this stuff, so I you know, 3915 03:53:19.040 --> 03:53:21.840 I've toughened up. But at heart, a lot of them 3916 03:53:21.879 --> 03:53:24.959 are really just wanting to escape that shame. And they 3917 03:53:25.120 --> 03:53:28.280 see this criticism, they see this like, well, well, let's 3918 03:53:28.319 --> 03:53:32.120 look at this from this different perspective as opening the 3919 03:53:32.200 --> 03:53:36.159 door to that shame and letting themselves be shamed by it. 3920 03:53:36.760 --> 03:53:39.280 And I think if we focus there, I think that's 3921 03:53:39.319 --> 03:53:40.840 where we're going to find the heart of a lot 3922 03:53:40.920 --> 03:53:41.079 of this. 3923 03:53:41.520 --> 03:53:45.000 The cognitive dissonance that I've experiencing right now doing this 3924 03:53:45.719 --> 03:53:49.959 is I feel like everything was saying it's so painfully obvious, 3925 03:53:50.360 --> 03:53:55.120 and yet why does it elude the mass media? That's 3926 03:53:55.159 --> 03:53:57.360 the crazy thing. It's like coming to terms with the 3927 03:53:57.399 --> 03:54:00.440 fact that America is not a democracy. When you can 3928 03:54:00.520 --> 03:54:05.079 only choose between two corporate funded candidates, that is obviously 3929 03:54:05.440 --> 03:54:08.079 not a democracy, But we live in this system where 3930 03:54:08.239 --> 03:54:10.840 like millions and millions and millions of people believe it 3931 03:54:11.000 --> 03:54:13.760 is because that's how it's presented on television. So we're 3932 03:54:13.840 --> 03:54:19.239 putting forward some really painfully obvious, very simple concepts, but 3933 03:54:19.399 --> 03:54:23.680 they're so forbidden from popular consciousness because the mass media 3934 03:54:23.760 --> 03:54:26.959 don't embrace them. That's the frustrating thing about doing this 3935 03:54:27.079 --> 03:54:29.600 sort of stuff, And I think part of me doesn't 3936 03:54:29.639 --> 03:54:33.079 want to continue talking about it because it's so obvious, 3937 03:54:33.280 --> 03:54:36.040 and yet if we don't do it, who the fuck is? 3938 03:54:36.760 --> 03:54:41.760 Well, that's exactly it, because a lot of the fundamental 3939 03:54:41.920 --> 03:54:46.159 stuff that should be there the firmament that we should 3940 03:54:46.200 --> 03:54:48.040 be able to build all this on so that we 3941 03:54:48.600 --> 03:54:53.239 all share this understanding. It just isn't there because there's 3942 03:54:53.600 --> 03:54:59.040 there's been this mass erosion in media literacy, right and 3943 03:54:59.440 --> 03:55:04.040 mass quite frankly in media competency. But those are two 3944 03:55:04.079 --> 03:55:08.079 sides of the same coins. So the audience has been diminished, 3945 03:55:08.760 --> 03:55:14.639 the content creators have been diminished, so the entire gambit 3946 03:55:14.920 --> 03:55:19.680 is diminished, the entire institution is diminished. So in order 3947 03:55:19.799 --> 03:55:24.040 to sensibly criticize it, you have to cover a lot 3948 03:55:24.079 --> 03:55:28.399 of really basic fundamental grounds that's, you're right, almost embarrassing 3949 03:55:28.479 --> 03:55:31.360 to talk about and embarrassing to be, like, I can't 3950 03:55:31.440 --> 03:55:34.719 believe we have to sort of go over these like 3951 03:55:35.000 --> 03:55:38.799 simple concepts, and you feel almost condescending when you're really 3952 03:55:38.920 --> 03:55:41.600 not trying to be condescending. You're just trying to make 3953 03:55:41.680 --> 03:55:43.959 sure that, hey, we're all on the same page and 3954 03:55:44.040 --> 03:55:47.360 we're all talking about the same thing here, because there's 3955 03:55:47.680 --> 03:55:54.040 just there's just some real gaps in both literacy and 3956 03:55:54.200 --> 03:55:59.159 competency and media right now, and I just we're just 3957 03:55:59.239 --> 03:56:01.920 hoping to fill those in a little bit, and that's 3958 03:56:02.000 --> 03:56:02.959 going to take time, and. 3959 03:56:03.520 --> 03:56:05.760 We hope people will be patient with that, what do 3960 03:56:05.840 --> 03:56:07.920 you think you are a free thinking We're. 3961 03:56:07.879 --> 03:56:12.159 Freethinkers, man, We're wild freethinkers, you know who We're going 3962 03:56:12.239 --> 03:56:15.079 to actually have to think this ship out and like 3963 03:56:15.319 --> 03:56:19.399 wrestle with ideas and like do some research and you know, 3964 03:56:19.680 --> 03:56:26.040 try and relate to foreigners and all this sort of nonsense. Right, So, 3965 03:56:26.639 --> 03:56:30.120 I mean this, this stuff takes time, and to do 3966 03:56:30.239 --> 03:56:34.120 it right takes time. And I think that's that's one 3967 03:56:34.159 --> 03:56:38.600 of the other things that I hope people can take 3968 03:56:38.639 --> 03:56:40.879 away from this, and that I hope we can sort 3969 03:56:40.920 --> 03:56:43.799 of prove a concept of and that is, you can 3970 03:56:44.680 --> 03:56:47.840 do this and do this right, and do this thoroughly, 3971 03:56:48.600 --> 03:56:51.760 and make something that is entertaining, and make something that 3972 03:56:51.920 --> 03:56:56.319 is you know, educates, and make something that that sheds 3973 03:56:56.399 --> 03:57:00.799 light on real issues and addresses real stuff. But through 3974 03:57:00.920 --> 03:57:04.799 the lens of you know, a freaking Cannibal movie. 3975 03:57:33.079 --> 03:57:34.799 I canible. 3976 03:57:36.959 --> 03:57:46.479 Cannibal, your longest rible I mean cannible, I mean in 3977 03:57:46.680 --> 03:57:56.680 Cannibal it's incredible. String up the le and I Cannibal. 3978 03:57:58.760 --> 03:57:59.079 Shack. 3979 03:57:59.159 --> 03:58:01.120 Can't you do yours? 3980 03:58:01.239 --> 03:58:01.399 Too? 3981 03:58:02.000 --> 03:58:02.239 Hot? 3982 03:58:03.879 --> 03:58:08.719 I'm gonna gonna stop fancy a bite by appetite young 3983 03:58:08.879 --> 03:58:11.600 young gees, but I'm banging and at this prestaurant, and 3984 03:58:11.879 --> 03:58:21.959 I am cannible be able to I'm in cannibal. 3985 03:58:24.840 --> 03:58:26.000 I be in cannible. 3986 03:58:28.000 --> 03:58:34.879 It's incredible your brandy and I am incredible. 3987 03:58:37.680 --> 03:58:45.159 I'm spats the nights. But it's a diet, such a dish. 3988 03:58:45.680 --> 03:58:49.600 I care PRIs this healthy recipe. What you got is 3989 03:58:49.680 --> 03:59:12.600 the com me I think I'd put me out. 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