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Speaker 2: All right, let's get it started. Welcome in to a
Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's here
Speaker 2: on Sports Talk seven ninety Nick Coffee. That is me,
Speaker 2: the one and only mister Austin Montgomery alongside today. We're
Speaker 2: taking you up till six o'clock. That means we've got
Speaker 2: you for the next three hours. I hope. I mean
Speaker 2: I kind of just said it like it was a
Speaker 2: given that you will be with us for the next
Speaker 2: three hours. I say it like that that maybe you
Speaker 2: feel like it's a requirement, maybe you feel like it's mandatory.
Speaker 2: I mean, you really can do whatever the hell you want,
Speaker 2: but why would you not want to hang out with
Speaker 2: us right here for the next three hours. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: money at the gas pump. But today for lunch, I
Speaker 2: had the taketos. They are delicious. You can get three
Speaker 2: of them for three bucks. I mean, can beat it.
Speaker 2: Just the perfect perfect amount of food. I mean, everybody,
Speaker 2: I guess is different when it comes to how much
Speaker 2: they like me and everybody's appetites different. But I'm real
Speaker 2: big on like portion control. I mean, I've been able
Speaker 2: to maintain the weight that I want to be at
Speaker 2: for a while and it's not any strict diet and
Speaker 2: it's not any crazy exercise of all. I do still
Speaker 2: work out, as if you guys can't tell. But when
Speaker 2: it comes to you know, portion control, like I'm not
Speaker 2: watching what I eat that much, I'm just not eating
Speaker 2: a whole lot of it. And those taketos it was
Speaker 2: the perfect perfect size meal. Are you a big portion guy?
Speaker 2: You more of a I'm gonna eat one big meal
Speaker 2: a day, or I'm eating three small meals. Do you snack?
Speaker 2: I mean that everybody's metabolism is different, Austin, you just
Speaker 2: never know.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of I got a lot of
Speaker 3: heftiness on my body. I'm a portion kind of guy.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of times we go to restaurants and
Speaker 3: they give you, like the small steak on top of
Speaker 3: like the scoop of potatoes, which is usually nice. But
Speaker 3: I like there to be a lot, you know, like
Speaker 3: a Panda Express, Like there's this thing, there's two sides,
Speaker 3: there's a I.
Speaker 2: Like, you want a big spread. I want a big spread. Okay,
Speaker 2: I love a big spread, and look I do too.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, I I you'll get there at
Speaker 2: some point. And you're thinner now, I think than you
Speaker 2: were when I met you, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: now that I think of it, but that was many
Speaker 2: years ago. I I've had good balance too, thank you.
Speaker 2: I've that's a compliment actually, and I appreciate that I've
Speaker 2: I've found good balance for the last I don't know
Speaker 2: six months or so that I have not had really
Speaker 2: ever as an adult. I when I say balance, I
Speaker 2: mean I'm pretty content where I don't feel like I'm
Speaker 2: miserable because I'm following some crazy strict diet, but I'm
Speaker 2: also not eating a ton to where I feel like crap.
Speaker 2: And then when I get out of the shower, I
Speaker 2: look in the mirror and I'm like, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 2: you have boobs like I'm. I'm right in the middle,
Speaker 2: which is where I want to be. I'm maintaining the
Speaker 2: weight that I want. But I fluctuated a lot over
Speaker 2: the years, and now I've kind of, you know, I've
Speaker 2: been able to stay where I want to stay, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm atabolism. I don't know, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if mine's different than anybody else. But there's
Speaker 2: a lot of things out there that you hear people
Speaker 2: tell you when you're young. And if there is any
Speaker 2: young folks out there, I mean, Austin, you're young. To me,
Speaker 2: you are a little bit, and I know we have
Speaker 2: some younger listeners. It's it's true for just about everybody,
Speaker 2: not the entire population, but most of us. When you
Speaker 2: do get older and you continue to, you know, eat
Speaker 2: the way you've eaten. You've been eaten since you were
Speaker 2: you know, a teenager or your early twenties, it'll catch
Speaker 2: up with you. But there are some people I know
Speaker 2: that for the for their entire life, they've i mean
Speaker 2: I've never seen them not shoving their face with food
Speaker 2: and they've weighed the exact same so it's like they
Speaker 2: have a tape warm. Yeah, those are the lucky people.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not so lucky, and I've got
Speaker 2: to you know, I'm five eight one's one fifty eight
Speaker 2: as of this morning, which you know is I think
Speaker 2: the bm I would tell you that I'm that I'm
Speaker 2: a fat ass, which, by the way, we got to
Speaker 2: we got to recalibrate the BMI, like everybody's a fat
Speaker 2: slob ifo we're using BMI.
Speaker 3: That's like the that's like the BCS of like your body, right,
Speaker 3: Like who still uses that archaic.
Speaker 2: A flawed formula.
Speaker 3: But we need to just scrap BMI because they can
Speaker 3: tell you that on the little crappy machines at like
Speaker 3: the gym, whenever you go put your arm into the thing,
Speaker 3: it tells you your BMI, Like no, I want the
Speaker 3: human element in that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, you know, how do you say that when it
Speaker 2: comes to BMI, Like you can just you can just
Speaker 2: get a number, and you know, you can know your weight,
Speaker 2: your age and just put it in a spreadsheet or
Speaker 2: put it in an online database or something and it'll
Speaker 2: tell you r BMI. But like not everybody, like not
Speaker 2: every pound is the same. Some pounds fat, some pounds muscles.
Speaker 3: So you know, anyways, everyone's just always told me that
Speaker 3: as a referendum and making me f a lot better,
Speaker 3: Like how you put on weight by your muscle ways.
Speaker 2: You would fa Oh man, isn't that like the ultimate?
Speaker 2: Like those people that say that, those are the people
Speaker 2: that it's just instincts for them to want to make
Speaker 2: you feel better. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: those are those are the good people of society that
Speaker 2: it's just oh yeah, they could they could look at
Speaker 2: you and tell that, yeah, they're ain't no muscle here.
Speaker 2: It just you're a lard ass. But man, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell them what, Hey, you've been lifting eh, muscle ways
Speaker 2: more than fat. You've heard that, right? Do we even
Speaker 2: know that's true? And did somebody just say that one
Speaker 2: time and we ran with it to not feel as
Speaker 2: bad as a society.
Speaker 3: I'll take you I've ran with it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I've actually looked it up. I appreciate when people
Speaker 3: say that, but or or you're big bone that's what
Speaker 3: it was when you were as a kid, and I'm
Speaker 3: just big boned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember a baby fat? Like was that really
Speaker 2: a thing? Like?
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, I got that a lot during my
Speaker 3: teenage years. But were you a big baby too?
Speaker 2: I still am a big baby? Well, okay, fair enough,
Speaker 2: because you know, I remember kids in school would talk
Speaker 2: about when they were you know, they were bigger, and honestly,
Speaker 2: probably because they're getting teased for being big, they would, oh,
Speaker 2: it's baby fat. And they probably heard that, you know,
Speaker 2: from their mom or their dad because they didn't want
Speaker 2: to make them feel self conscious about being maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit on the hefty side. Which but but like
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure that's the thing. Like babies are
Speaker 2: you know, babies can be fat. You know, I think
Speaker 2: every baby, maybe not every baby, but a lot of
Speaker 2: babies go through a certain phase from like infant to
Speaker 2: pre toddler where they're they're they're they're fat, they got
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, they got a big they
Speaker 2: got big legs, they got a big belly, that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. But eventually you kind of like you know,
Speaker 2: like if you're a if you are above eight years
Speaker 2: old and you have maybe some excess fat and you're
Speaker 2: a little bit larger than the average weight, I'm not
Speaker 2: really sure you can call baby fat. I mean you can,
Speaker 2: but I'm not really sure that's what it is.
Speaker 3: But I could see them saying that through the whole
Speaker 3: thinning out process as you hit the magic puberty age.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's just baby fat, You're gonna thin out.
Speaker 2: I never I never got tall enough to where like
Speaker 2: you know, that's why that that actually get What I
Speaker 2: was getting to is that I don't have a good
Speaker 2: frame hide weight. Like if i'm if I get to
Speaker 2: be about ten twelve pounds heavier than I am right now,
Speaker 2: and you know it's not muscle, because you know, muscles
Speaker 2: more than fat, then like it's it's showing in the moves,
Speaker 2: It's showing in the gut, you know, it's showing in
Speaker 2: the neck, yeah, the love handles. Yeah, I got. I
Speaker 2: feel like if I if I know that I've picked
Speaker 2: up some weight and pick, I don't want to step
Speaker 2: on the scale and I'm like maybe not even trying
Speaker 2: to look in the mirror because because I don't want
Speaker 2: to I'm not going to like what I see. The
Speaker 2: area where I notice it first is my neck. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is about it, but it's just
Speaker 2: it stands out. So anyway, stay healthy, everybody. And this
Speaker 2: was a long winded way of me telling you to
Speaker 2: check out the tiketos at Thornton's because they're delicious. And yes,
Speaker 2: they may not be the most nutritious, you know, lunch item,
Speaker 2: but you know what, if you only have a couple
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Speaker 3: Moderation right, it's right, don't they They have produced there too.
Speaker 3: I thought they got to grab a banana tuo.
Speaker 2: Oh they've got it all there, you go, trust me,
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Speaker 2: dot Com. I feel like there's a lot going on
Speaker 2: when it comes to like national stuff. Right. We've got
Speaker 2: the college football playoff rankings coming out tonight. We've actually
Speaker 2: got a handful of things I want to get into
Speaker 2: when it comes to college football that really are probably
Speaker 2: not of local interest, but certainly you know more signs
Speaker 2: that this sport, well, really, college sports in general is
Speaker 2: nothing like what it once was. I mean, you've got
Speaker 2: coaches during the season now already moving behind the scenes
Speaker 2: to try to prepare for which quarterback they're going to
Speaker 2: go get that hasn't even hit the portal yet. You've
Speaker 2: got some schools realizing they have paid way too much
Speaker 2: guaranteed money to coaches that are not getting it done.
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, by the way, who I mean this is?
Speaker 2: This is probably not a bad move. It's just something
Speaker 2: you don't typically see USC turning themselves in for violations
Speaker 2: to the NCAA and probably trying to find any little
Speaker 2: rule that they broke so they can turn themselves in
Speaker 2: so they can maybe fire Lincoln Riley with cause and
Speaker 2: not have to pay him his massive buyout. But that's
Speaker 2: I mean, money matters, and they don't have the money
Speaker 2: to get rid of that coach and he's not getting
Speaker 2: it done. So again, we'll get the updated rankings tonight,
Speaker 2: and I think Louisville stands to move up, and that's
Speaker 2: gonna be great, But I don't want to lie to
Speaker 2: anybody and act like that means I think they've got
Speaker 2: some kind of a scenario to find themselves in the playoff.
Speaker 2: In fact, I just I think with three losses and
Speaker 2: given you know the league you're in, and you're only
Speaker 2: having one notable win, and that win doesn't really I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not really even like a Tier one win. I mean,
Speaker 2: winning at Clemson is tough to do, but Clemson is,
Speaker 2: you know, right around barely in the top twenty five.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a little bittersweet to see him
Speaker 2: move up because I think if they beat pitt next week,
Speaker 2: they could I mean, you could get to the last
Speaker 2: week of the season heading into the Kentucky game, where
Speaker 2: because of what's going on elsewhere, you may find yourself
Speaker 2: sniff in the top fifteen, and you know what, they
Speaker 2: put twelve teams in the playoffs, So you might feel like, hey,
Speaker 2: but just the way it, I mean, one, I don't
Speaker 2: want to get my hopes up because and also I
Speaker 2: just know it's not realistic. But I hope others don't
Speaker 2: get their hopes up, because you're you're probably gonna see
Speaker 2: them move up a little bit over these next few weeks.
Speaker 2: As long as they take care of business, and that'll
Speaker 2: be good to see. But because of how the playoff,
Speaker 2: you know, is structured, it's not just the teams that
Speaker 2: are ranked one through twelve, it's you know, there are
Speaker 2: slots within this twelve team bracket that are you know,
Speaker 2: spots for certain teams that accomplish certain things like winning
Speaker 2: your league, the G five team and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. So again a little bittersweet, but I have
Speaker 2: decided to and I've really talked about this since they
Speaker 2: beat Clemson, and I talked about it right before that game.
Speaker 2: To be honest, with you, losing the shot at playing
Speaker 2: in the ACC Championship within just you know, the first
Speaker 2: half of the season was pretty rough, especially knowing that,
Speaker 2: like they played good teams and if they just play
Speaker 2: like a little bit better in some of those games,
Speaker 2: they probably win. And man, we're talking about a totally
Speaker 2: different situation. So that's still a little bit of a
Speaker 2: bitter feeling. But you still had something to play for
Speaker 2: finishing strong, and them beating Clemson really put it in
Speaker 2: motion here to where they can finish the season really strong.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna embrace that and I'm gonna try not
Speaker 2: to think back to what could have been, because it's
Speaker 2: it's you know, it would it could have, should have.
Speaker 2: And yet three games that you could have probably tightened
Speaker 2: up just a little bit and you would have avoided
Speaker 2: a loss, but you can't go back and change it.
Speaker 2: And this is where it really sounds like I'm drinking
Speaker 2: the bram kool aid and I'm really being a homer.
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna tell you what I think. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many other programs or teams would have
Speaker 2: been able to respond the way Louisville did when they
Speaker 2: got down twenty one against Boston College. That's to me
Speaker 2: another sign that we have a pretty good ball coach
Speaker 2: leading the program. Now again, they could crumble and lose
Speaker 2: by lose is twenty point favorites. It's like they are
Speaker 2: against Stanford on Saturday. But I don't believe that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: And you went out and then you go in a
Speaker 2: bowl game. That's a ten win season. And I know,
Speaker 2: with the portal and with nil, you're seeing some teams
Speaker 2: really just turn into something totally different in one year's time.
Speaker 2: And that's awesome, But to just I don't know if
Speaker 2: we're ever going to be at a point as a
Speaker 2: Louisville football fan base to where you can look at
Speaker 2: a ten win season and not feel like you had
Speaker 2: a really good year. I don't want to say special.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say historic, because you did it
Speaker 2: last year, but this will be if they went out,
Speaker 2: this will be the second time in program history that
Speaker 2: Louisville has had two con or back to back ten
Speaker 2: win seasons. I mean, so let's hope that happens, all right. Also,
Speaker 2: we've got a big college basketball event tonight, and I
Speaker 2: do love this event just because you can tell. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's four of the bigger programs in college basketball getting us,
Speaker 2: you know, essentially started. I think it would have been
Speaker 2: last week had it not been for the election, So
Speaker 2: I think it's bit later than it typically is. But
Speaker 2: either way, you know, the Champions Classic is really the
Speaker 2: national reminder that college basketball season is here, because you're
Speaker 2: gonna I mean, this event gets so much viewership for
Speaker 2: a couple reasons, mostly because you know, when these two teams,
Speaker 2: when these four programs play college basketball on a national
Speaker 2: network anytime in the year, you're gonna get some pretty
Speaker 2: good numbers. Now, nothing compared to what you see like
Speaker 2: in the NFL or big time college football games. But
Speaker 2: because they give you the updated college football playoff rankings
Speaker 2: between the games, there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs
Speaker 2: on these games just for that, and I would hope
Speaker 2: that people would stick around and watch, just because you know,
Speaker 2: I love college basketball and I want as many people
Speaker 2: to consume the product as possible. But I have no
Speaker 2: clue what's going to happen in these games tonight. Not
Speaker 2: a clue. And that's really kind of become an every
Speaker 2: year thing because we know that all these teams are
Speaker 2: featuring many new players. Kentucky's a brand new team. Michigan State,
Speaker 2: I gotta admit I don't know a whole lot about
Speaker 2: their their roster this year. Obviously Duke, they've got Cooper Flag,
Speaker 2: a guy who is as hyped as anybody I can
Speaker 2: think of entering college basketball in a long, long time.
Speaker 2: And then Kansas, they've already they've already picked up a
Speaker 2: big time when early on this season knocking off North
Speaker 2: Carolina so a big event. But I was thinking about
Speaker 2: all the different ways I could wager on this, but
Speaker 2: we're all just guessing, because it's if you're putting something
Speaker 2: together tonight to bet on these games. And if you're
Speaker 2: a Kentucky fan, I'm sure you're gonna bet on your
Speaker 2: team because you want to not only get that win
Speaker 2: as a fan with that emotional high, but you know
Speaker 2: you win some money that makes it even better, right,
Speaker 2: But it's not about who you think is gonna be better.
Speaker 2: It's not about who you think has more talent. It's
Speaker 2: really it's just about being able to guess at this point,
Speaker 2: this early in the year, who's more capable of you know,
Speaker 2: better than the other team. And you know typically that's
Speaker 2: that's always how you would put together any kind of
Speaker 2: decision when you're betting on something. Who do I think
Speaker 2: will play better and win? Will they win by this? Much?
Speaker 1: Like it?
Speaker 2: It's it's how it always works. But my point is,
Speaker 2: like tonight I might, like I might, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do it because I would, I would just block out,
Speaker 2: Like I think Kentucky plus six and a half is
Speaker 2: the play. I'm not gonna bet it, and I hope
Speaker 2: it doesn't work out that way. I hope they get killed.
Speaker 2: Also wouldn't be shocked if they win, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, but I know that in February. There's a
Speaker 2: good chance that Duke will be much more polished because
Speaker 2: their true freshmen will have a lot more reps, and
Speaker 2: they have elite level talent and a lot of NBA
Speaker 2: guys on their roster. I'm not sure if there's anybody
Speaker 2: on the Kentucky roster that's going to have a link
Speaker 2: the NBA career. That's not an insult. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: used to having those NBA guys, but obviously things are
Speaker 2: gonna be done a little bit differently with Mark Pope.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I'm gonna watch it. I'm excited
Speaker 2: for it, but I want to bet on it, but
Speaker 2: I have I mean, I don't have a clue what
Speaker 2: to do here. Wouldn't you say, though, Kentucky plus six
Speaker 2: and a half? Like, doesn't that you know? I'm not
Speaker 2: even sure if you've watched much Kentucky this year, Austin,
Speaker 2: because you know, I don't know why you would, but
Speaker 2: this to me screams like the veterans will be more
Speaker 2: ready than the young guys.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I love that number six and a half.
Speaker 3: We were talking about it before the show. I can,
Speaker 3: I can, I can hammer that. You know, this seems
Speaker 3: like everyone's kind of focused on the whole Cooper flag thing,
Speaker 3: and you've already had some passive s talk coming from
Speaker 3: that Kirk Chris and I watched him at Arizona too,
Speaker 3: so I've seen a lot of him. I think he's
Speaker 3: really very unbrand for him, right, yeah, absolutely, the from
Speaker 3: one Wildcat to another. But you know, he's, Uh, this
Speaker 3: seems like I wouldn't even say, like backed into a
Speaker 3: corner type of Pope team because I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people anticipating that there's gonna be really good,
Speaker 3: probably exceed expectations for a first year coach. But I
Speaker 3: feel like they could take this as a scenario where
Speaker 3: kind of no one believes in us. We're going up
Speaker 3: against this and this this talent that's supposed to be
Speaker 3: the most talked about since like Zion Williams sitting there,
Speaker 3: and I still don't even when it comes to that,
Speaker 3: I still don't think anythings were going to talk the
Speaker 3: Zion madness. So like, I really don't believe in that
Speaker 3: Cooper flag kid all that much just yet, but I do.
Speaker 2: Talking to tonight, I think he's gonna be I don't
Speaker 2: know what he's gonna do tonight, I think he's I
Speaker 2: mean legit, it comes down to what you view as like, okay, next,
Speaker 2: Like I could watch Zion and know that's not normal
Speaker 2: at any at any point, you know, for a guy
Speaker 2: that big, with that frame to be able to jump
Speaker 2: off the ground that high and have feet that quick.
Speaker 2: And I mean he was, he was a special talent
Speaker 2: and he's one of Zion will always be one of
Speaker 2: those guys. To me that to say that you know,
Speaker 2: he's a unicorn doesn't mean he's the best player ever,
Speaker 2: but like there's nothing you would really compare him to.
Speaker 2: And and I don't know if Cooper Flag is that,
Speaker 2: but when he was playing against and with Team USA
Speaker 2: this summer and holding his own and sometimes getting the
Speaker 2: best of guys that are stars in the NBA, I
Speaker 2: mean that that's not normal. So and you know, maybe
Speaker 2: he's got this killer's instinct that people talk about. I
Speaker 2: don't you know what what what Kirk Chris has said
Speaker 2: really wasn't like over the top. But you know, he's
Speaker 2: been a smart ass's what he's doing. And and you know,
Speaker 2: if you want to two ways this could go. That
Speaker 2: could maybe light a fire under a guy who's got
Speaker 2: nothing but hype, and I've not heard a single person
Speaker 2: talk about him being overrated or being not as good
Speaker 2: as advertised or anything like that. And I'm not even
Speaker 2: sure that's really what Kurk Chrisa meant. But if if
Speaker 2: Cooper Flagg was looking to find an edge, looking to
Speaker 2: find some motivation, he could certainly use that. He might
Speaker 2: have to, you know, embellish it a little bit or
Speaker 2: manufacture something added on to it. But if you're but
Speaker 2: if you're Pope in Kentucky, you can look at this as, hey,
Speaker 2: this young, and it's so crazy because it's the exact
Speaker 2: opposite of what they're used to. Kentucky's teams have always
Speaker 2: been young. They are the teams that go into this knowing, hey,
Speaker 2: we'll probably lose, but be better at the end. Now
Speaker 2: it's completely a role reversal because Kentucky's team, for the
Speaker 2: most part, is a bunch of a bunch of grown
Speaker 2: ass men. So we'll see, we'll see how it plays
Speaker 2: out tonight. I know I'm looking forward to watching both games,
Speaker 2: and really, top to bottom, we got a lot of
Speaker 2: college hoops tonight, which I'm sure some of you haven't
Speaker 2: really shifted totally to college basketball, just yet. But to me,
Speaker 2: I'm always in college basketball mode. But that didn't mean
Speaker 2: we won't talk some football today. Because again, what the
Speaker 2: committee decides to do tonight after five top twenty teams
Speaker 2: lost over the weekend, I don't have a real I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll see, right, I'm predicting the committee is always tough
Speaker 2: after just one week. Tonight's actually, you know, the second week,
Speaker 2: especially after you get some losses like we had five
Speaker 2: top twenty teams losing, We're going to really get a
Speaker 2: chance to see how they you know, how they really
Speaker 2: value conferences. How much are they going to really put
Speaker 2: into Okay, yes you lost and that's not a good result,
Speaker 2: but how much does that really move you? How much
Speaker 2: does that change your resume? Because every year, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if it'll ever be something that people just
Speaker 2: get used to and they're acclimated with. But when when
Speaker 2: the Committee updates each week, it's not what you lost,
Speaker 2: so therefore you're going to automatically move down. You won,
Speaker 2: Therefore your automatic gonna move up if somebody lost in
Speaker 2: front of you. It doesn't work that way because it's
Speaker 2: a reset each week about your overall resume. So maybe
Speaker 2: there won't be as much shake up as people are
Speaker 2: expecting because of those losses, and it'll it should be,
Speaker 2: it should be your annual reminder that a loss doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily just automatically mean you fall, because you may have
Speaker 2: some breathing room, right, You may be a team that
Speaker 2: had a loss to burn because you were your resume
Speaker 2: was that far ahead and that far ahead of everybody else's.
Speaker 2: So we'll we'll certainly see tonight. We have one guests
Speaker 2: going to join us, Cel Brown. He is actually I
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Speaker 2: ninety What I want to get to next. I thought
Speaker 2: at times that when Kenny Payne was here, there would
Speaker 2: be something he says, there would be something done, something
Speaker 2: not done that I for a moment thought, Okay, wait
Speaker 2: a second, this is some kind of a joke, Like
Speaker 2: this isn't real. He can't be serious, is he is
Speaker 2: he wanting to make people think that he's trying to
Speaker 2: like show that he doesn't like he doesn't want the
Speaker 2: job like that, like he I mean, you guys know
Speaker 2: what I'm talk about. If you're a little basketball fan,
Speaker 2: there were many many things that you just thought to yourself, Okay,
Speaker 2: what what in no way, Well, he talked to the
Speaker 2: media today because Cal, you know, is being cal and
Speaker 2: not not doing media obligations because you know, it's what
Speaker 2: he does. And Kenny Payne said something that like took
Speaker 2: me back, and I wasn't sad because you know, he's
Speaker 2: not here anymore and that's good. But he's still doing
Speaker 2: the same stuff that he did while he was here,
Speaker 2: and it just fascinates me, it really does. We'll tell
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Speaker 2: All right, so earlier today, Kenny Paine was I suppose
Speaker 2: doing on Caliperry's job for him, which was, you know,
Speaker 2: talking to the media. And Baylor, of course, knocked off
Speaker 2: Arkansas on Saturday. I'm not sure how many Louisville fans
Speaker 2: watched or paid attention to that, but I know Kentucky
Speaker 2: fans were watching. They're lying if they say that they weren't,
Speaker 2: and I get it, that's not criticism. I would be
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. And if I was, you know,
Speaker 2: in your shoes, which I'm not, I mean, it would
Speaker 2: be clear, like you would want cawtaleus every game. Let's
Speaker 2: be real, it was a breakup. And even if it
Speaker 2: is a situation that both sides wanted, in this stage
Speaker 2: of a breakup, it's still fresh enough and you still,
Speaker 2: you know, as a Kentucky fan, you still at this
Speaker 2: point are all in on Mark Pope and you may
Speaker 2: always be all in. Maybe he wins big tonight, and
Speaker 2: if so, Kentucky fans are gonna be on one. As
Speaker 2: they say, they're gonna be obnoxious at a level that
Speaker 2: really makes you want to throw up. And again, if
Speaker 2: I was them, I'd probably do the same thing. But
Speaker 2: with like with cal, you want, this is what you want.
Speaker 2: You may not know you want it, but you want it.
Speaker 2: It's the result that if it played out and you
Speaker 2: didn't know you wanted it, you would think, oh, why
Speaker 2: does this feel so good? This feels this is amazing.
Speaker 2: And what I mean is you want him to struggle
Speaker 2: and then wish he was still your coach, but you've
Speaker 2: already moved on. You got a new man and he's
Speaker 2: Mark Pope, and I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 2: win the night, and I don't know if long term
Speaker 2: he's going to be the guy I have no reason
Speaker 2: to think that he can't be. But obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: only time will tell. I did hear Matt and the
Speaker 2: Crew this morning on KSR mentioning how it really is
Speaker 2: tough to see how many coaches have followed legends and
Speaker 2: then and then you know, failed or not come close,
Speaker 2: maybe failing as a stretch for some of them. But
Speaker 2: my reaction was, yeah, you know what, I guess that
Speaker 2: is true. A lot of the coaches that have taken
Speaker 2: over for a really good coach that moved on for
Speaker 2: a new gig or retired, they've had a tough time
Speaker 2: filling those humongous shoes. But is Cal a legend? Like?
Speaker 2: Is Cal like? I mean, he had a good run there,
Speaker 2: of course, but like he's got big shoes to fill.
Speaker 2: But not just because Cal. He's got big shoes to
Speaker 2: feel because he's the coach of Kentucky and that's a
Speaker 2: pretty big job that has insanely high standards. I'm not
Speaker 2: even trying to take a dig at Cal. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't I don't really look at Matt
Speaker 2: Doherty replacing Dean Smith, like Mark Pope replacing John Calip Perry.
Speaker 2: That's just me though like Tubby Smith replaced Rick won
Speaker 2: a title in his first year, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's replacing a legend and carrying over what he was doing.
Speaker 2: Now someone will say that that title had a lot
Speaker 2: to do with more to do with Rick than Tubby,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, probably a little bit of both,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But anyways, nonetheless, Cal is
Speaker 2: still doing the same things he was doing here in
Speaker 2: Lexington that and I say here, I'm not living Lexton
Speaker 2: as you know what I mean. When he was the
Speaker 2: coach of Kentucky and it was really really annoying for
Speaker 2: Kentucky fans because they felt like, hey, come on, man, like,
Speaker 2: why are you not doing your job? Why are you
Speaker 2: talking down to us? Why are you blaming losses on
Speaker 2: the fact that your team has in practice? Well, why
Speaker 2: haven't they practiced? Like it's just you know, the Cal
Speaker 2: stick had run really really stale, especially because he had
Speaker 2: not won in the tournament in a while and had
Speaker 2: losses to Saint Peter's and whoever else Saint Peter's in Oakland.
Speaker 2: So him sending Kenny Paine out after a loss to
Speaker 2: Baylor on Saturday to do the weekly media check in
Speaker 2: or at least the media check in the media press
Speaker 2: conference before your next game is such a cow move,
Speaker 2: and it's another sign that he's not going to be
Speaker 2: re energized. He's not going to be scorned to the
Speaker 2: point where he puts more into this and he does
Speaker 2: reinvent himself as a coach so he can have success
Speaker 2: and do it all out of spite because he wants
Speaker 2: Kentucky fans just like I mentioned, you all want him
Speaker 2: to wish he was still here, and you know you
Speaker 2: all are content and happy with your new man, right,
Speaker 2: he wants you all to miss him, and so far
Speaker 2: early on in the season. I mean, Kentucky will find
Speaker 2: out tonight this is their first actual game, you know,
Speaker 2: and gets somebody that matters. But kl Lou's into Baylor
Speaker 2: right after Baylor got beat by fifty points in early
Speaker 2: to Gonzaga that that was a dub a win for
Speaker 2: Kentucky in this in this breakup battle that is going
Speaker 2: to play out over these next few months. So Kenny Payne,
Speaker 2: guys remember him, right, he's now doing the meeting. He
Speaker 2: did the press conference today for John Caliperry, and I
Speaker 2: don't believe for a second that this was like a
Speaker 2: poor attempt at humor. I just think this is this
Speaker 2: is I don't know, I'm I don't want to insult him,
Speaker 2: but like if I did, I don't think anybody would
Speaker 2: really care. But Kenny Payne says Arkansas was caught off
Speaker 2: guard and tentative against Baylor in the first half these
Speaker 2: Baylor played zone, and it took you right back to
Speaker 2: that loss a year ago to Indiana, where Kenny Payne
Speaker 2: said one of the many things he said throughout his
Speaker 2: two years here where you think, what did he really
Speaker 2: say that? He said Mike Woodson tricked him when he
Speaker 2: threw his zone out there. And what that is is
Speaker 2: a coach having no awareness that what he's doing is
Speaker 2: telling you that the staff, not the players, not even
Speaker 2: like you're not saying, well, we really thought we could
Speaker 2: guard this all American, but man, he was a lot
Speaker 2: better than we anticipated. He's a really good player. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's still something you don't want to have to say.
Speaker 2: But by saying you were tricked by something that an
Speaker 2: opponent did, or that you were caught off guard by
Speaker 2: something they were doing, that's quite literally a coach only
Speaker 2: a coaching thing here, letting everybody know that they weren't ready,
Speaker 2: they weren't prepared, and I now hear that. I hope
Speaker 2: Kenny does all the pressers this year. It's not going
Speaker 2: to give me PTSD anymore. It's gonna put me in
Speaker 2: a happy place to know that like that, that's not
Speaker 2: going on here anymore. I think I needed that to become, like,
Speaker 2: you know, a big talking point among Louisville fans on
Speaker 2: Twitter today because usually when I see those kind of things,
Speaker 2: those flat it gives me PTSD. But not anymore. I'm
Speaker 2: free of that now.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you bring up Kenny Payne. I got to
Speaker 3: bring up one of my favorite soundbites from him, ever,
Speaker 3: hold one.
Speaker 1: Depressed.
Speaker 2: What was the context there?
Speaker 3: I think it was talking about like he's one of
Speaker 3: those try to get everybody routed up moments, because if
Speaker 3: you're looking at I think it was like if you're
Speaker 3: looking at your teammates and they're looking at you, and
Speaker 3: they're thinking.
Speaker 2: He's say depressed or oppressed, I'm depressed. I'm depressed. My guess,
Speaker 2: My guess would be that it was said because you know,
Speaker 2: he he smiled and oftentimes didn't look as if he
Speaker 2: cared that they want if they want or lost a game.
Speaker 2: Like the things he said, the way he carried himself,
Speaker 2: his body language, his facial expressions, it was all the
Speaker 2: same if they won one of the twelve games he
Speaker 2: won in his time here, or if they lost by
Speaker 2: fifty like, it was always the same, which made you
Speaker 2: think that he didn't care if they wanted He just thought, well, hey,
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, they should just be thankful that
Speaker 2: I'm here, because you know, they needed me and I'm
Speaker 2: here and this was just gonna happen regardless of who
Speaker 2: the coach was, because things were broken and the culture
Speaker 2: and you know, all that nonsense he's spewed for two
Speaker 2: straight years. So my guess is that maybe he was
Speaker 2: trying to defend himself and say that he is upset
Speaker 2: that they're losing. But you know, he didn't really convince me,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure he ever wanted to win here.
Speaker 2: I'll never understand how that went the way it did.
Speaker 2: But it's over, and honestly, now that I'm giving it
Speaker 2: some thought, I think maybe I've moved on from you know,
Speaker 2: being not bit. I mean, I'm happy it's over, and
Speaker 2: I've been well aware that Louisville has a real ball
Speaker 2: coach leading the program, now that is going to you know,
Speaker 2: take accountability all that kind of stuff. But I think
Speaker 2: hearing Pat Kelsey handle loss and just know that, hey, well,
Speaker 2: only time will tell if in fact they're gonna really
Speaker 2: they're going to really grow from that twenty two point
Speaker 2: loss to Tennessee. Like we'll see if in fact they
Speaker 2: make improvements. But I'm not worried about any accountability, right
Speaker 2: Like Pat Kelsey, he knows it's his He's never gonna
Speaker 2: blame anybody but himself, and that's what you should do.
Speaker 2: Like Louisville right now, in both basketball and football, has
Speaker 2: head coaches that I don't think you'll ever hear them
Speaker 2: blame a player, even if we know that sometimes like yeah,
Speaker 2: it was more about players than it was about coaches,
Speaker 2: just because they're well aware that there's no like, you
Speaker 2: stand nothing to gain at any point as a head
Speaker 2: coach by blaming anything on your players, even if it
Speaker 2: is their fault, Like it's just gonna make you sound
Speaker 2: like you're not willing to take accountability. So you know,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean these coaches are going to be here
Speaker 2: forever and be phenomenal because you know, you got to
Speaker 2: win but it is nice to see that whenever you
Speaker 2: do take a loss, the accountability always seems to fall
Speaker 2: on I mean, look, if Jeck Brom threw his defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator under the bus directly, I don't think Louisville fans
Speaker 2: would have done anything but celebrate. But like he just knows,
Speaker 2: there's no benefit in me doing that. I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: it starts with us. Now, we all know who he
Speaker 2: was talking about when he was pointing out how the
Speaker 2: defense needed to be more simplified and it was too
Speaker 2: complex and all that. But yeah, Kenny Payne still in
Speaker 2: his own world, I think, and you know, I'm happy
Speaker 2: that he's no longer he's no longer here.
Speaker 3: As I as I look up that video and it's
Speaker 3: I mean, it just brings back PTSD flashbacks. It's just
Speaker 3: Kenny Payne wearing the Louisville attire and he's got the
Speaker 3: Louisville backdrop. It's a terrifying image that I don't like
Speaker 3: to think of those times. Like I use when I
Speaker 3: grew up, there is this video store I always went
Speaker 3: to that had a Freddy Krueger cut out, and I
Speaker 3: was terrified of it from there on out. That's been
Speaker 3: and drenched in my brain ever since that, along with
Speaker 3: Linda Blair at The Exorcist. You know, he's got the
Speaker 3: face in the three sixty that's terrifying. Up there with
Speaker 3: the top three most terrifying images I hate to see
Speaker 3: is Kenny Paine and as a Louisville coach right before
Speaker 3: a press.
Speaker 2: Conference, I'm, I'm sure you're not alone. And you know
Speaker 2: I love doing the postgame shows for basketball and football
Speaker 2: for obvious reasons, but because it's so raw and real
Speaker 2: and right after the game, like I'm I'm not even
Speaker 2: really sure I've put together how I feel about a
Speaker 2: loss or a win, because lately some of these postgame shows.
Speaker 2: I mean, I knew Louisville hadn't won. I Mean, the
Speaker 2: game was pretty much over pretty early on against Tennessee,
Speaker 2: but as I'm kind of talking through it and listening
Speaker 2: to callers and just kind of, you know, letting it
Speaker 2: settle in that they did come out on their first
Speaker 2: big test and lose in a big way. Like I
Speaker 2: was certainly disappointed, but it didn't take long at all
Speaker 2: for me to get re energized after hearing Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 2: Not because I'm telling you, there's no doubt in my
Speaker 2: mind that they they win the next time. They're in
Speaker 2: a situation like that. None of us really know, but
Speaker 2: I'm numb to losing. We've done that for two straight
Speaker 2: years against bum teams. So a twenty two point loss
Speaker 2: to Tennessee is certainly not the results you'd ever want.
Speaker 2: We're not going to celebrate it, but like, I'm still
Speaker 2: numb to losing. It's something we got too used to
Speaker 2: around here. Institutional off. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it
Speaker 2: now real quick, before we get to our next break.
Speaker 2: I will say this, I think the feeling that a
Speaker 2: lot of Louisville fans had late last week leading into
Speaker 2: Saturday's game against Tennessee, I think that's going on right
Speaker 2: now with Kentucky. And again I hope they lose by
Speaker 2: fifty tonight. That'd be great. I might do my own
Speaker 2: post game show if that happens. But you know, like
Speaker 2: I like it is. It's a beautiful thing to see,
Speaker 2: Like they are not coming off of the run that
Speaker 2: Louisville had with the previous regime, but many they were
Speaker 2: in a tough spot because Cal would you know, do
Speaker 2: Cal things, and he'd shown them at one point in
Speaker 2: his tenure there that he could win at a high
Speaker 2: level and get to a Final four. But I think
Speaker 2: you were finding yourself as a Kentucky fan trying to
Speaker 2: convince yourself that it'll eventually get back to that where
Speaker 2: he was in his first five years there. But you
Speaker 2: deep down knew it that it wasn't gonna happen. And
Speaker 2: you know last year he really wasted a special team,
Speaker 2: a special roster with three elite guards, and like, that's
Speaker 2: got a sting. But now it's over and you got
Speaker 2: a new guy leading the program. He is checking all
Speaker 2: the boxes that Cal would have never checked. Now again,
Speaker 2: if he doesn't win, none of that matters. But he's
Speaker 2: hitting in your fields, meaning Mark Pope, because he's all
Speaker 2: Kentucky first, program first, not anything about him. And with Cal,
Speaker 2: it was essentially the Caliperi program, not the Kentucky program.
Speaker 2: So they're looking at their team playing really well right now,
Speaker 2: dominant in their first two games. Now they've got a
Speaker 2: big test against Duke, and I can sense that they've
Speaker 2: got some confidence, and I don't blame him. I would
Speaker 2: probably feel the same way, and I've said it earlier.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if they win the night, so
Speaker 2: Louisville of course got humbled pretty quickly. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's going to happen with Kentucky, but you know,
Speaker 2: rarely will you find us, and I mean Louisville and
Speaker 2: Kentucky fans in this spot, meaning where both are start
Speaker 2: over for different reasons of course, and who knows, maybe
Speaker 2: the results are completely different for each of these coaches.
Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see. But this rivalry is
Speaker 2: pretty big deal and for both fan bases at the
Speaker 2: same time to kind of be going through, you know,
Speaker 2: the newness, the honeymoon, you know, it's it's something we
Speaker 2: may I may never experience this again as somebody in
Speaker 2: this position, right, because rarely do you get new coaches
Speaker 2: around here, and for both of them that go through
Speaker 2: it at the same time, it's it's exciting. But again,
Speaker 2: I hope Kentucky loses about fifty tonight. Doubt it happens,
Speaker 2: but we'll see quick break keep a locked right here
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