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This episode of True Murder is brought to 55 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:56.400 you by Audible, the world's leading name in digital audio books, 56 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:05.080 Audible podcast, dot Slash True Murder. John Crutchley seemed to 57 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:08.479 be living the American dream. Good looking and blessed with 58 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:12.319 a genius level IQ, he had a prestigious white collar 59 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:16.240 job at a prominent government defense contractor where he held 60 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.680 top security, top secret security clearance, and handle projects for 61 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:24.520 Nassau and the Pentagon. To all outward appearances, he was 62 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:27.479 a hard working, successful family man with a lavish new house, 63 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.000 a devoted wife, and a healthy young son. But he 64 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.800 concealed a hidden side of his personality, a dark secret 65 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.960 tie to a hunger for blood and the overriding need 66 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.319 to kill. As one of the most prolific serial killers 67 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:44.360 in American history, Crutchley committed at least twelve murders and 68 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:49.039 possibly nearly three dozen. His IQ eclipsed ellipsed that of 69 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.080 Ted Bundy, and his body count may have as well. 70 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.560 While he stalked the streets hunting his unsuspecting victims, the 71 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:59.479 residents of a quiet Florida town slept soundly, oblivious to 72 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:04.080 the dark in their midst unaware of the Vampire next Door. 73 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.280 The book that we're featuring this evening is The Vampire 74 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.360 next Door, The True Story of the Vampire Rapist, with 75 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:14.400 my special guest, journalist and author JT. Hunter and Detective 76 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.839 Robert Leatherow. Welcome to the program, JT. Hunter and Detective 77 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:19.879 Robert Leatherow. 78 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.600 Thanks Dan, happy to be here. Let me say a 79 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.959 quick happy early Thanksgiving to the folks back here at home. 80 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:34.439 Thanks very much, gentlemen for agreeing to this interview. Congratulations 81 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:41.839 on fantastic book, JT. And congratulations on Robert Leatherrell for 82 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.120 being a dedicated police officer who had the guts to 83 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.680 be able to follow this thing all the way through. Amazing, 84 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:53.360 incredible story. And let's get right to that. Robert Leatherell, 85 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:59.079 please tell us your history as a homicide detective or 86 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.680 as a detective, and not without giving anything away, just 87 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:08.040 give us your background and so then we can maybe 88 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.240 possibly understand a little bit more of your involvement in 89 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:10.720 this case. 90 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.439 Alrighty. I was a police officer altogether for thirty eight years. 91 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.480 I have a pachelor's degree in Public safety administration. I'm 92 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.720 a graduate of the FBI National Academy in Quantico, Virginia, 93 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:29.519 and I worked close to I guess rough fifty murders 94 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:31.639 are better in my career. 95 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:38.079 Well, now, JT, how did you come to write this book? 96 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:42.160 What was tell us how you came to want and 97 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:46.279 feel compelled to write this incredible story the Vampire next Door? 98 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:48.519 Well, well, then, my. 99 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:54.839 Father actually lived in the area where where John Crutchley 100 00:05:55.639 --> 00:06:00.120 had moved to in Florida, and he had heard the 101 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:04.240 story of of of Crutchley. Uh, And he he told 102 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.839 me that story one time and gave me the rough 103 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.959 details about it. And when I heard I thought to myself, 104 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.399 you know, this is really uh, this is really an 105 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.759 interesting story, and I really wanted to follow up with it. 106 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.399 So I started digging into it some more and found 107 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:22.000 some old articles on it and was able to get 108 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:27.000 in touch with, uh, with with Bob who had worked 109 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:28.439 the case extensively. 110 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:28.920 Uh. 111 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.439 He had been, you know, the main the case agent 112 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.680 on on the on the case, and so he was 113 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.959 intimately familiar with what had occurred in the case and 114 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:43.959 was able to talk with him extensively about his experience. 115 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.319 And the more I learned about it, the more fascinating 116 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:51.040 the story became. And really a lot of a lot 117 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.600 of twists to the story that really make it a 118 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:54.600 compelling tale. 119 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:02.560 That's an understatement. Uh now, let's just get to I 120 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:04.480 love the way you guys, the way you laid out 121 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.240 this book, and I really like it because it's important 122 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.319 because there's various ways of people finding out information, but 123 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:13.399 it's nice to find out the information just at the 124 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.480 right time, and that's what this is. Twists and turns, 125 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.319 but really very surprising, very very very surprising and shocking 126 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:24.360 book and very unique. Let's get to nineteen year old 127 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:28.160 Christina Alma. Tell us a little bit about her and 128 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.360 what she was doing in this you know, November of 129 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.120 nineteen eighty five. Tell us about Christina Alma. 130 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:43.199 Okay, Well, she was from California, and she had met 131 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.199 a guy who had come over there to California and 132 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:56.240 had developed some romantic attachment to him, and he ended 133 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.000 up going back to Florida not too long after that, 134 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.600 and she d up deciding she wanted to come over 135 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.560 and visit him, and he his name was Carl von 136 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.360 Bain and he lived in the Palm Harbor, Florida area, 137 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:14.319 which is what brought her over to Florida. And she 138 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:19.759 she was nineteen and you know, it's still a young girl, 139 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:25.639 and came over and stayed with Carl von Bain and 140 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:30.000 his mother and there they had a trailer and a 141 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:36.240 mobile home and a h a community there and she, uh, 142 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.440 she stayed about a week and near the end of 143 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:42.200 her time there, about a day or so before she 144 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.679 was going to return to California. Actually is when she 145 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.559 unfortunately happened to cross paths with with John Crutchley. 146 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:59.919 Now John Crutchley. Before we get into this altered case 147 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:06.080 in give us the background on John Crutchley. 148 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.759 Well, uh, John JB. As he is he liked to 149 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:19.240 be called, came from a you know, certainly a middle class, 150 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:25.000 upper middle class family background in the in West Virginia. 151 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.120 His his father was an executive, ended up being an 152 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.799 executive for a gas company that he worked for is 153 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:39.360 pretty much his entire career. And his mother was let 154 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:44.759 a stay at home mom essentially. But JB's family had 155 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:50.159 some some bad circumstances he He had an older sister 156 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.679 who died under some very strange circumstances before JB was 157 00:09:55.720 --> 00:10:00.480 actually born, and his mother never really recover from that, 158 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.840 and she always wanted another daughter to replace the daughter 159 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:08.399 that she had had lost. And actually, for the beginning 160 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:13.879 of of JB's life, he was he was treated as 161 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.080 a girl. He was he was dressed in girl's clothes 162 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:20.000 the first four or five years of his life, and 163 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:28.360 his mother repeatedly reinforced to him that she had wanted 164 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.200 a girl, and you know, she she essentially wished that 165 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:33.559 he was a girl. 166 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.480 And I think that. 167 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.200 That impacted him quite a bit psychologically growing up, as 168 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:47.639 you might imagine, and he was a bright kid, he 169 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:54.919 had some some troubles focusing in school because of how 170 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.600 smart he was. It was not easy for him to 171 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.559 to keep his attention on the matters at hand because 172 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:09.080 it was essentially a little too elementary for him. So surprisingly, 173 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:10.840 he didn't do great in school, even though he had 174 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:15.919 an extremely high IQ. But he did end up earning 175 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:20.919 some advanced degrees and became an engineer and worked for 176 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:29.399 a large number of computer engineering corporations doing computer programming 177 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:35.480 computer engineering, and eventually ended up working for companies that 178 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:45.960 worked closely with military parts of the government, including the Pentagon, 179 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:56.000 and working in creating communications, computer communications programs and codes 180 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.720 for the US Navy, where he was put in contact 181 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:06.519 with the lot of secret information that he he ended 182 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:11.360 up acquiring as well. And he was a like I said, 183 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.519 he was a very smart guy. He was one of 184 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.919 the One of the most interesting things I found about 185 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.360 him is how he was able to inhabit really two 186 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:25.799 worlds at the same time. He had his his professional side, 187 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:32.519 his white collar side, his his family man sort of 188 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:38.960 facade side, and yet he also had this this darker 189 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.919 side that no one really realized. 190 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:48.080 What was his behavior characterized from the people that did 191 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.799 know him growing up, people that worked with him, Was 192 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:54.799 he really noted as an odd person? But or what 193 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.159 was his behavior depicted as? What was what? How did 194 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.639 people regard him in terms of his behavior? 195 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.840 Well, during the course of his working, he he tended 196 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.720 to be a little bit of a loner at times. 197 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:18.399 He was devoted to his work. In that respect, he 198 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:24.960 he he did have a a social side, if you will. 199 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:30.240 He was charismatic. He was viewed to have some quirks, 200 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:36.080 some you know, odd mannerisms. Uh well, for example, one 201 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:40.279 thing that was that was talked about was a certain 202 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:44.240 way of walking he had that he seemed to instead 203 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.440 of instead of walking like a normal person might walk, 204 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.799 he seemed to almost bounce in his step and almost 205 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.480 as if he was trying to attract attention to himself. 206 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.240 But he was certainly regarded as a as a smart guy, 207 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:04.600 an intelligent guy, certainly in the world of computer programming, 208 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:10.000 which was, you know, a newer industry back in the 209 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.039 seventies and eighties, which is when he was involved in it. 210 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.480 It was more of an up and coming technology at 211 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:16.799 the time. 212 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:23.200 You have some fantastic photos in the book, and I 213 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:25.679 got to congratulate you to it really harkens back to 214 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:30.080 true crime classics and true crime the best of true 215 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.360 crime in the past, and that might seem shocking to 216 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:38.399 some people. But seeing skeletons and other photos in your book. 217 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:41.360 But for those that aren't looking at the book right now, 218 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:46.679 tell us what how you could described John Crutchley in 219 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.559 terms of his physical appearance and his was he masculine 220 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.360 or was he more effeminate? Tell us what did he 221 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.720 really look like physically? 222 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.559 Bob might be able to give you some good get 223 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.960 insight on that, dealing dealing up close with him quite 224 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.919 a bit, the way the way I was told, and 225 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:08.639 the things I've seen, and the footage I've seen of him, 226 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.039 because of course he he he died before I ever 227 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:15.639 got around to writing a book about him, although I 228 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.039 would have been very interested to have met him and 229 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:18.919 sat down with him. 230 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.120 But he he wasn't. 231 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:22.080 He wasn't a big guy. 232 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:22.600 He was. 233 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.039 He was about average size, I think, but he was. 234 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.840 He was a fairly attractive guy. He had he had 235 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:35.440 nice facial features and he I think he he was 236 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.519 considered attractive by typical women. 237 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:43.360 And uh, but he was. 238 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:47.039 He wasn't. He wasn't a large, intimidating sort of presence. 239 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.759 And I think that's part of what aided him in 240 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:56.080 the the darker activities he was involved in. Is he 241 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:00.399 didn't come across as someone threatening. He didn't see like 242 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:07.360 the monster you would imagine. He came across as a 243 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:14.759 normal person, a professional person. But as I said, Bob 244 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.120 might be able to comment on that a little bit more. 245 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:24.960 Sure, So what was going to go ahead? 246 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:28.039 Impression? Sure, what was your impression when you first saw him? 247 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.120 What was I mean? 248 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.120 Again, we talked about no one could really recognize a monster. 249 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.159 But what was your first impression of what he looked like? 250 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:38.120 His stature? Was he imposing guy or not? 251 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.039 No, he was not imposing, very slight built. I think 252 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.360 the thing that brought my attention to it was writing 253 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.879 the beginning. When I met the victim at the hospital, 254 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:51.039 the usual question going through all you know, all the 255 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.679 stuff that we have to go through. I asked her 256 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.720 for a description and how old was he? And she 257 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:58.399 sat there and looked at me and she said, I 258 00:16:58.440 --> 00:16:59.679 can't tell you. I don't know. If he was twenty 259 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.559 years I don't know. And I kept I was a 260 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:05.799 little annoyed at that. I kept asking her, what do 261 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:07.440 you mean, give me an idea. Is he twenty five? 262 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.400 Was he thirty five? And she would not give me 263 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.559 an answer. So I don't know. And when we made 264 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.640 the arrest that night, the team, the homicide team, I 265 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.519 saw what she was saying. He was very slight built, 266 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.519 long blonde hair that was all bleached out. He dyed 267 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.680 his hair, and I felt a lot of very feminine 268 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:26.880 features about him. 269 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:30.440 Yeah, that's kind of what I got from the photo, 270 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:36.559 that he was kind of how you describe now talking 271 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.119 about some of his darker side before we get into 272 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.480 the what with you and all of us would talk 273 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:46.920 about the real dark side. What was his sex life 274 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:50.640 characterized by and what was his history in terms of 275 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:54.279 relationships with women? Was it a good one or a 276 00:17:54.359 --> 00:18:00.680 bad one? According to the later research, well, he. 277 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.640 He became sexually active more when he went off to 278 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:15.640 school in college, and he had relationships with a lot 279 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:20.720 of different women, and he ended up going down a 280 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:25.799 line where he became much more experimental with the sexual 281 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:32.680 interests his sexual activities as he went along, and particularly 282 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:37.440 I believe when he moved to the Washington, DC area, 283 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.400 he became involved with a group there. I believe that 284 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:47.759 really did a lot of I guess I would say, 285 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.880 more kinky sexual activities. And in fact, that's when he 286 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.799 met one of the nurses that he dated. He dated 287 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.680 a lot of nurses for some reason that he himself 288 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.200 didn't seem like. He quite understood that one of these 289 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:12.599 nurses was well versed in bamphorism for lack of a 290 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.000 better word. She introduced him to the practice of withdrawing, 291 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:22.839 taking blood from another person and drinking it, and that 292 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:30.720 became incorporated into his sexual repertoire. So to speak, and 293 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:35.480 that became something that he became heavily involved in and 294 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:42.440 continued that through his second marriage. He married earlier in 295 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:50.640 his life and his first wife, mad Motes was her name. 296 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:58.119 She told investigators about how he would get violent in 297 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:05.160 their sexual time times together. In particular, he enjoyed choking 298 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:11.640 her and it was something he did repeatedly, and it 299 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:17.880 continued throughout the rest of his wife really until he 300 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:23.160 was caught and put behind bars. But he had a 301 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:30.480 lot of more deviant practices involved in his sexual background. 302 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:39.799 Now it was the vamporism. Was that confined to people 303 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:43.799 he would he would meet online outside of a relationship 304 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.640 or did he in the relationship that he was in 305 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:52.160 because he was promiscuous guy, was he able to was 306 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.119 he practicing vamporism in the steady relationship and these other 307 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.720 outside relationships as well well. 308 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:05.880 He claimed that he had been taking blood from his wife, 309 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:09.839 his second wife, and had been doing that. I think 310 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.720 he said about one hundred times or hundreds of times. 311 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:14.839 So there was. 312 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:23.680 Certainly that was certainly an element of his his legitimate relationships, 313 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:30.240 and it became clear that this was an element that 314 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:37.200 was involved in his criminal activity as well, including with 315 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:39.480 Christina Alma, who we talked about a. 316 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:46.559 Little bit before. Now with Christina Alma. She goes for 317 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:51.319 a walk. She's looking to see her opt to meet 318 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:58.680 her boyfriend, Bondaine, and she walking outside this mobile park. 319 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:04.519 It's November twenty first, nineteen eighty five. This is an 320 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:08.480 innocent woman. She still hasn't lost her virginity. 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He saw them along the roadsides 344 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:44.480 walking alone or hitchhiking, and he saw her walking and 345 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.200 offered her ride. It was there was a little bit 346 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:55.759 of rain, and he offered her a ride. And you know, 347 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.799 as I said, he didn't look like a threatening type 348 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:00.960 of person. He looked like a nice guy. He acted 349 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:05.680 like a nice guy, and she accepted the ride. And 350 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.640 that's when the that's really when her nightmare started. 351 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:12.920 He he. 352 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.680 Chatted with her pleasantly for a while and said, Hey, 353 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.559 I need to stop by my house because I need 354 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.640 to pick up a notebook I left that I needed 355 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.279 for work. And she said, oh, okay, you know that's fine, 356 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:33.119 and they stopped at the house. He got out to 357 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:36.599 go proportally to go find the notebook to go inside. 358 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.279 Just before he went in the house, he asked her 359 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:41.400 if she wanted to come in, you know, offered her 360 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.000 a drink or something, and she declined. 361 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:45.480 She said, no. 362 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.960 You know, basically I need to I need to go 363 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:51.480 get to where I was going. You know, my friends 364 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:53.240 are going to be worried about me, that sort of thing. 365 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.319 And he went in the house and came back out 366 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.519 a little while later and said he couldn't find it. 367 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:01.279 It must be in the car. So he walks over 368 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:03.680 to the car, which she's still she's still sitting in 369 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.039 the passenger seat at this point, and he gets behind 370 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.000 her in the car and just all of a sudden, 371 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:18.680 he pushes the seat forward that she's sitting in with 372 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.440 such force that she goes flying forward and hits her 373 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:25.480 head in the dashboard essentially, and he ends up with 374 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:31.480 a rope around her neck and chokes her out, drags 375 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:33.200 her into the house, and the next thing she knows 376 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.799 she wakes up, she's tied down on a on a 377 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:46.839 countertop table with a rope and he's standing next to her, 378 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:52.759 naked except for a necklace with a pendant on it. 379 00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.319 And that's when. 380 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.279 That's when the really really bad stuff again. 381 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.200 Now I want to ask you, Roberts, at this point, yes, 382 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.720 in nineteen eighty five, did John Crutchley ever come to 383 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.200 the attention of your office or any police agency, And 384 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:17.599 if so, what were those charges? 385 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.200 No, we hadn't, weren't even where he was in our area. 386 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.640 Nothing in the state of Florida. It's all I know 387 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:29.680 is as we go along, you'll probably get into it. 388 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:35.279 He had a problem with the Virginia authorities and after 389 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.720 later on, that's when we contacted Virginia once we made 390 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:44.319 the arrest and everything. If that answers your question properly, yes. 391 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:50.200 It does, Thank you. Now you were talking about what 392 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:56.759 was next in store for Christina Alma. What is really 393 00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.920 in store which makes it unique? And we talk about 394 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.960 the vampire what what did she discover when she woke up? 395 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:08.039 And was he in that position to blood let at 396 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.839 that time or tell us tell us about that component 397 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:16.200 of this unique torturous behavior. 398 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.599 Well, she was held there captive in his house for 399 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.039 I'm gonna say around twenty hours or so approximately, and 400 00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:33.279 during that throughout that time, she was raped a number 401 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.640