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<v Speaker 4>Oh hi, it's that vitamin stuck in your throat. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>so sorry, Ali Ward. How do I even start this? Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to chechat about the weather in a way

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<v Speaker 4>that is anything but small talk. As it turns out,

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<v Speaker 4>the stuff that's all around us is just raging and

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<v Speaker 4>swirling and heavy with emotion. And likewise, I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know how to preface this ologist experience. His bio is

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<v Speaker 4>the longest list of accredations and awards and bonkers important

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<v Speaker 4>jobs I have ever seen. I do not know how

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<v Speaker 4>someone at chieves so much high level and deeply important

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<v Speaker 4>work in one lifetime, and I'm shocked he said yes

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<v Speaker 4>to do this. So several folks told me to find

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<v Speaker 4>him and beg him to be friends, which I did.

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<v Speaker 4>And this one has been in the works for a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of years. So he got his bachelor's, his MS,

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<v Speaker 4>and his PhD in Physical meteorology from Florida State University.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been a NASA researcher, the president of the American

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<v Speaker 4>Meteorological Society, where he now holds a rare distinction of

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<v Speaker 4>being a Fellow. He was awarded the Presidential Early Career

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<v Speaker 4>Award for Weather and Climate Research by the White House,

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<v Speaker 4>and in twenty twenty one, he received the American Geological

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<v Speaker 4>Institute's Award for Outstanding contributions to the public understanding of

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<v Speaker 4>the geosciences. He's advised the US Senate, the Department of Defense,

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<v Speaker 4>and Congress on climate and extreme weather. He's currently a

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<v Speaker 4>Distinguished Professor of Geography and Atmospheric Sciences at the University

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<v Speaker 4>of Georgia, and this past year he was selected as

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<v Speaker 4>Professor of the Year. He also co hosts the Weather

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<v Speaker 4>Channel's excellent podcast Weather Geeks. He writes for Forbes. He's

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<v Speaker 4>authored several books, including a kid's book called Doctor Fred's Weatherwatch. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 4>I was lucky to weasele my way onto his schedule,

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<v Speaker 4>so we hopped on our respective Mike's and I asked

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<v Speaker 4>him all kinds of questions that were way below his

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<v Speaker 4>pay grade. But before we get there, just a quick

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<v Speaker 4>thanks to everyone who supports the show at Patreon dot

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<v Speaker 4>you in the club, and you could submit questions ahead

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<v Speaker 4>of time. Ologies merch is available at ologiesmarch dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>And thank you to everyone who just supports by telling

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<v Speaker 4>I literally do read them all in his proof. Thank

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<v Speaker 4>you Zachary Dakery, who wrote this review this week, saying

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<v Speaker 4>Ali Ward is the best thing to listen to while

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<v Speaker 4>driving a garbage truck, best binge worthy podcast out there.

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<v Speaker 4>I will even stop my truck to charge my headphones

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<v Speaker 4>to keep listening for my entire shift. Drive safely, Zachary Dacre,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you for the work you do. Everyone listened to

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<v Speaker 4>discard Anthropology if you hadn't, it's such a good one,

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<v Speaker 4>So thanks for the work. You do. I hope someone

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<v Speaker 4>brings cookie your garage and if anyone left a review, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I have read it. Okay, let's get into meteorology. Legend

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<v Speaker 4>has it the field was named by Aristotle, who wrote

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<v Speaker 4>a tome about weather and named it meteorologica, from a

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<v Speaker 4>root word meteor for lofty. So stuff above us. So

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<v Speaker 4>let's get to what is over our heads. Let's get

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<v Speaker 4>into our domes and get ready for tornadoes, typhoons, wind, rain, forecasting, newscasting,

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<v Speaker 4>wet bowl globes, wind chill, humidity, polar vortices, atmospheric rivers,

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<v Speaker 4>bomb cyclones, storm chasing, climate delaying, pop cultural weather phenomena,

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<v Speaker 4>and more. With the distinguished icon of Atmospheric Sciences, professor

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<v Speaker 4>and lifelong meteorologist and weather geek, Doctor Marshall Sheppard.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Marshall Shepherd. I guess I'm he But what else

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<v Speaker 2>did you ask?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? That's it, that's all. Yeah. So I've been wanting

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<v Speaker 4>to talk to you for literally years. Business.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty exciting. They are one of the most celebrated meteorologists

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<v Speaker 4>in the country and I'm sure you have to get

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<v Speaker 4>you have to explain this a lot to people. But

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<v Speaker 4>the difference between being a meteorologist and being a weather person.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, so you know, I get called the weatherman

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<v Speaker 2>a lot or the weather guy. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the really derogatory term that I hear from some of

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<v Speaker 2>my female colleagues is when they call them weather girls.

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<v Speaker 2>These are celebrated scientists with degrees. They're women, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>weather girls. But yeah, you're You're really on to a

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<v Speaker 2>point because the term meteorologists is synonymous with weatherman for

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<v Speaker 2>most of the public. But there are different types of

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<v Speaker 2>meteorologists in the same way that there are different types

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<v Speaker 2>of engineers. In fact, only a small percentage of our

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<v Speaker 2>field are TV meteorologists or what we call broadcast meteorologists

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<v Speaker 2>or weathercasters. And even within that group there's a range.

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<v Speaker 2>There are actually some people that have meteorology degrees, and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see the ams seal by their name typically or

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<v Speaker 2>some other seal. There's some people that have more journalism

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<v Speaker 2>backgrounds but report the weather and so forth, although there's

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<v Speaker 2>less of that and more degree meteorologists. So, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a meteorologist that doesn't do forecasting, and I'm not on

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<v Speaker 2>TV unless I'm a special guest on the weather channel,

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<v Speaker 2>or so he.

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<v Speaker 3>Joins us now from Gwennette County, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Shepherd, thank you so much for being here today.

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<v Speaker 4>When it comes to meteorology, how do you think that

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<v Speaker 4>people choose their field, because I do think so many

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<v Speaker 4>people think meteorology is just forecasting. But how did you

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<v Speaker 4>pick what you do and what are some of the options?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, question. I got interested in this in sixth grade,

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<v Speaker 2>as most meteor illists do. I did a science project

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sixth grade or predict the weather that started

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<v Speaker 2>because I got stung by a bee. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be an entomologist, but I got stung by a bee

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<v Speaker 2>and found out I was highly allergic to beastings and said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I need a plan. B punt intended, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>did my science project on weather. So at that point

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<v Speaker 2>I was bitten by the weather bug. Second punt intended.

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<v Speaker 2>And so from that point on, I knew I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be on TV pointing out a screen with colfronts,

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<v Speaker 2>and I knew I didn't want to be a forecaster.

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<v Speaker 2>I was more interested in the house and why of weather,

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<v Speaker 2>like why does that hurricane get stronger than others? And

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<v Speaker 2>wide are certain storms spent out tornadoes and some storms don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's when I started investigating schools and Florida

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<v Speaker 2>State University. I'm from Georgia, and Florida State was the

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<v Speaker 2>closest meteorology program. And the rest is hisstory. I went

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<v Speaker 2>on to graduate school, ultimately got a master's in a PhD.

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<v Speaker 2>Worked at NASA for a while developing large space missions

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<v Speaker 2>to study weather and climate.

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<v Speaker 4>So doctor Shepherd spent a mere twelve years as a

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<v Speaker 4>research meteorologist at Nasogadard Space Flight Center and was the

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<v Speaker 4>deputy Project scientist for the Global Precipitation Measurement Mission, just

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<v Speaker 4>casually one of the best meteorologists in the.

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<v Speaker 2>World and now still do high level research, teach, and

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of other things as well. But to

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<v Speaker 2>really answer the second part of your question, what are

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<v Speaker 2>some of the other options? Again, I think about nine

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<v Speaker 2>to ten percent of our field work as TV meteorologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Others go into sort of more private sector for airlines

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<v Speaker 2>or other commodities companies, power companies, energy companies, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>There are quite a few meteorologists that work in federal

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<v Speaker 2>agencies like the National Weather Service or NASA and Noah.

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<v Speaker 4>So, Noah is not a guy or a biblical rising

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<v Speaker 4>ocean's flood reference, but it just stands for the National

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<v Speaker 4>Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, AIR and c EPA.

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<v Speaker 2>State agencies have meteorologists, and then a lot of private

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<v Speaker 2>companies are now developing interest in weather and whether it

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<v Speaker 2>be IBM or formerly for that Panasonic and even smaller

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<v Speaker 2>companies as well. So weather, there's quite a few places

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<v Speaker 2>atmospheric scientists, which is the broader term including meteorologists and

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<v Speaker 2>climate scientists can work.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it such a good meteorology program at Florida State

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<v Speaker 4>because there's so much weather there? Would that program suck

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<v Speaker 4>in La?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I mean UCLA has a really good meteorology program

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<v Speaker 2>actually the bit so no, I don't think it has

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<v Speaker 2>anything to do with the geography, although it does have

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<v Speaker 2>a reputation for being pretty good at tropical meteorology expertise

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<v Speaker 2>there so obviously being close to Florida. Even as we're

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<v Speaker 2>recording this podcast today, Tallahassee, Florida, which is where Florida

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<v Speaker 2>State is, is probably experiencing the tropical storm Nicole as

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<v Speaker 4>So Nicole ended up being a Category one hurricane about

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<v Speaker 4>seventy five miles an hour is what it made landfall

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<v Speaker 4>at and it caused eleven deaths and five hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>twenty million dollars in damages. And now, if a tropical

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<v Speaker 4>storm develops in the North Atlantic or the North Pacific

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<v Speaker 4>in the east off the coast of the US and Canada,

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<v Speaker 4>and has sustained winds of seventy four miles per hour

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<v Speaker 4>or faster, we call it a hurricane. But if they

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<v Speaker 4>form over the South Pacific and the Indian Ocean, they

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<v Speaker 4>would like to go buy cyclones please, Well, then what

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<v Speaker 4>are typhoons? This is a great question. I'm glad you asked.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are the same thing. But they're over the Northwest

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<v Speaker 4>Pacific off the coast of Asia. So we could do

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<v Speaker 4>a whole episode on intraplanetary meteorology terminology, trust me. And

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<v Speaker 4>what about learning about the weather on planet Earth versus

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<v Speaker 4>working for NASA.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't study other planets whether we were studying weather. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>NASA has a very robust Earth sign program. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's another misconception that I often get in the same

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<v Speaker 2>the weather. Most people hear NASA think space out and

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<v Speaker 2>looking at Mars and places. But a large part of

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<v Speaker 2>what NASA does and still does, is to develop missions

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<v Speaker 2>to study Earth's weather, climate, oceans, volcanic eruptions, changes in

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<v Speaker 2>the criosphere, which is like greenland and Arctic ice sheets,

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<v Speaker 2>and are antarctics. So yeah, that's one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm glad you asked because NASA studies planet. I

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<v Speaker 2>argue it studies the most important planet of all Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's where we live and we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be going anywhere for some time. So thankfully NASA devotes

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of its resources and expertise to studying

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<v Speaker 2>this planet using the vantage point of space.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hm, climate versus weather. How many times a day

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<v Speaker 4>do you have to explain the difference?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know you're you're hitting all the common misconceptions

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<v Speaker 2>that I deal with in my field. So this we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to like take a number here. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's getting to be the cold season, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll start seeing snow and colder weather, and

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<v Speaker 2>inevitably I'll have someone tweet me, hey, doctor Shepherd, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got twenty inches of global warming in my yard. It's

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<v Speaker 2>snowing out here in Boston. In January, why you guys

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking about this climate change stuff. And so after

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of fix my face and sort of roll

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<v Speaker 2>my eyes a little bit, I say, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's winter in Boston. You're supposed to get snow first

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<v Speaker 2>of all. But then secondly, I say, you know, weather

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<v Speaker 2>is your mood and climate is your personality. Something I'd

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<v Speaker 2>that the weather today doesn't say anything about climate anymore

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<v Speaker 2>than your mood tells me about your personality. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really ill posed premise to suggest it because

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<v Speaker 2>it's snowing in Boston on Tuesday in January, that that

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<v Speaker 2>somehow refutes climate change and global warming.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so in a bit we're going to cover why

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<v Speaker 4>a warming climate would make digging your car out of

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<v Speaker 4>the snow a more giant pain in the ass. Trust me, Nerds.

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<v Speaker 4>You know your podcast is called Weather Geeks. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>feel like you are kind of geeky about this? Does

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<v Speaker 4>it get you really excited? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Totally. Yeah. No. The Weather Channel, when they came to

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<v Speaker 2>just realized the changing landscape of how can people consume information?

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<v Speaker 2>So we switched it to a podcast. Nice move, ken,

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<v Speaker 2>and we embraced the term weather geek because people call

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<v Speaker 2>us weather geeks anyway, or weather weenies or weather nerds.

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<v Speaker 2>But we wanted to empower the term weather geek because

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to own it, and so that's why we

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<v Speaker 4>I love that it's something that you have so much

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<v Speaker 4>knowledge and you're so authoritative about, but that you still

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<v Speaker 4>love so much. Weather gets such a bad rap in

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<v Speaker 4>conversation of people talking about the weather. But what could

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<v Speaker 4>be more exciting than like, store, whether or not you're

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all of those And you just even touched on

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<v Speaker 2>another misconceptionist out there, because you're right, weather is often

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation point and it makes us struggle. For those

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<v Speaker 2>of us that are scientists in this field because everyone

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<v Speaker 2>experiences the weather, and so because of that, everyone thinks

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<v Speaker 2>they know as much about it as people would degree.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'll often have people come up and challenge

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<v Speaker 2>me on the forecast or about climate change, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>totally wrong, but you know, it's an opportunity to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of share and educate. So for example, you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>will often say, you know, whether you're all just in

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<v Speaker 2>forecasts are wrong most of the time. Well, actually they're

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<v Speaker 2>right almost all of the time, about ninety five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the time within three to five days. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that it's human nature for people to remember the bad ones.

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<v Speaker 2>And they are few bad ones, but those are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones they remember if their cookout was rained on or

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<v Speaker 2>their child soccer game got it rained on. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll use a football analogy. You know, a field goal

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<v Speaker 2>kicker kicks a field goal and they make every single

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<v Speaker 2>be remembering and talking about that kick and wow, that kicker,

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<v Speaker 2>But in fact, he's a really good kicker. He just

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<v Speaker 4>So don't blame the messenger for the nature of statistics. Folks.

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<v Speaker 4>Just keep an umbrella in your bag and a smile

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<v Speaker 4>on your face. You're alive. And there are crickets and

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<v Speaker 4>birds and sunsets and electricity and indoor plumbing. And how

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<v Speaker 4>much has weather science changed since you've been studying it,

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<v Speaker 4>and even just since the Industrial Revolution?

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<v Speaker 2>It's really, you know, quite a few changes. Just our

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<v Speaker 2>ability to observe aspects of the weather with different types

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<v Speaker 2>of satellites and race our systems and so forth has changed.

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<v Speaker 2>The speed of computers means that our weather models have

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<v Speaker 4>And this part was absolutely news to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, weather forecasting is done by solving these very

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<v Speaker 2>complex fluid dynamics equations. That's why people that want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a meteorologist have to take so much calculus and

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<v Speaker 2>dynamics and thermodynamics and physics. You know, I, as a

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<v Speaker 2>director of a major program, I have students come to

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<v Speaker 2>me all the time. Oh I love clouds, I love hurricanes,

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<v Speaker 2>I love storm chasing. I want to be a meteorologists.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be in your program. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine, I said, but how's your calculus and how's

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<v Speaker 2>your physics and how are your partial differential equations because

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<v Speaker 2>be taking, and so it's a really an interesting sort

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<v Speaker 2>of shock to the system for many of these students.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the observations, the computing capacity and capabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of psychologists and sociologists and communications

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<v Speaker 2>experts working at the intersection of weather right now because

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to understand how people receive information about forecast.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they make decisions based on a red morning boxer,

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<v Speaker 2>do they hear certain things a certain way, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of an emerging area, as is artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why companies like IBM and various others that come

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<v Speaker 2>to mind tomorrow, Io and others are really using sort

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<v Speaker 2>of advanced data technologies to mine all of this data

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<v Speaker 2>to make precision information forecasts. Weather intelligence, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>For you know, agriculture, for business, industries, energy companies, infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the main thing on the weather front. Now

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<v Speaker 2>on the climate front, it's obviously the increase in CO two.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I mean I wrote an article in Forbes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a contributor to Forbes magazine, and I said, what's

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<v Speaker 2>your CO two number? In other words, you can everyone

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<v Speaker 2>has a birthday, but go look at that birthday that

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<v Speaker 2>year and see what the parts per million CO two

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<v Speaker 2>in the atmosphere was when you were born and compare

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<v Speaker 2>it to today, and some of us that are older,

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<v Speaker 2>well at around four hundred and twenty parts per million

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Our atmosphere is, you know, responding to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Our seas are responding to that. Our ecosystems are ice sheets.

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<v Speaker 2>So our climate has changed in response to human activities

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<v Speaker 2>and the burning of fossil fuels and greenhouse gas emissions.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll link doctor Shepherd's Forbes article on my site,

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<v Speaker 4>but you can also go to nature dot org and

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<v Speaker 4>calculate the CO two levels in your birth year. It's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like astrology, but sadder. And today I learned

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<v Speaker 4>that carbon dioxide has increased by twenty five percent in

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<v Speaker 4>the scant time that I've been digging around on this planet,

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<v Speaker 4>and this fact can be a real vibe changer, so

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<v Speaker 4>to speak. How is that personality affecting our mood? I

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<v Speaker 4>know that I feel like in the last few years

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<v Speaker 4>we've heard more about bomb cyclones and names for blizzards

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<v Speaker 4>and storms and hurricanes that I had never heard of

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<v Speaker 4>growing up. But how is that climate affecting the weather?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you know that's just the media, actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean bomb cyclones and and these terms have been around

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<v Speaker 2>forever in meteorology. They should just have been used more

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<v Speaker 2>in the popular media. So I wouldn't use those as

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<v Speaker 2>anchors of something different about the climate. Because bombogenesis and

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<v Speaker 2>rapid and these are very common weather terms, polar vortex,

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<v Speaker 2>these are terms that have been around in meteorology if

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<v Speaker 2>you study meteorology for decades, So there's nothing new about

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<v Speaker 2>those terms.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's do a lightning rundown of some of the ones

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<v Speaker 4>you probably thought were just meteorologists yank in your chain. So,

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<v Speaker 4>bomba genesis happens when a cold air mass collides with

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<v Speaker 4>a low pressure system. So some of the other fun

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<v Speaker 4>things that you can call a bomba genesis include explosive cyclogenesis,

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<v Speaker 4>a weather bomb, a meteorological bomb, or a bomb cyclone.

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<v Speaker 4>And at one point someone was like, shouldn't we stop

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<v Speaker 4>calling this a bomb? It's very scary to the people,

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<v Speaker 4>And a meteorologist was like, you call them cold and

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<v Speaker 4>warm fronts, like it's a war, so shut your rain hold.

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<v Speaker 4>You cowered, And a bomb cyclone it was. Now. A

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<v Speaker 4>polar vortex is a bunch of cold air near the

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<v Speaker 4>poles of the Earth, and it's called a vortex because

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<v Speaker 4>it's spinning, spinning, spinning, and in the winter it gets

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<v Speaker 4>bigger and parts of it kind of get caught up

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<v Speaker 4>face with colder Arctic air. Now, a pineapple express is

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<v Speaker 4>another that's got to be fictional weather term, but it's true,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like one hundred years old in terms of terms,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's when colder, low pressure air from like the

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<v Speaker 4>Gulf of Alaska meets up with some high pressure West

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<v Speaker 4>coast winds plus a little bit of Hawaiian aka pineapple moisture,

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<v Speaker 4>and it forms this thing called an atmospheric river, which

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<v Speaker 4>is a long, thin thread of wet weather. They can

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<v Speaker 4>carry sometimes as much moving water as the Amazon River apparently,

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<v Speaker 4>and you can call an atmospheric river a tropical plume

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<v Speaker 4>or a water vapor surge or cloud band. But just

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<v Speaker 2>But having said that, we know that climate change is

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<v Speaker 2>impacting our weather. Today. We have more intense rainstorms, our

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<v Speaker 2>heat waves have more intensity and are happening with more frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>to climate change. There's greater sea level, a higher sea

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<v Speaker 2>level amount, so when these storms push inland, they are

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<v Speaker 2>actually pushing more water, and so you see more storm

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<v Speaker 2>search damage. And even without the storms, just the higher

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<v Speaker 2>sea level itself causes problems. We see changes in drought,

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<v Speaker 2>which ultimately ends up affecting the cost of things we

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<v Speaker 2>mosquitoes that carry diseases that used to live in the

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<v Speaker 2>tropical regions of the planet, but now they can live

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States and carry those diseases.

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<v Speaker 4>What diseases you ask, You want a little sampler platter

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<v Speaker 4>of them? Okay, well, I asked a twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 4>paper published in the Lanset called Projecting the Risk of

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<v Speaker 4>Mosquito borne Diseases in a warmer and more populated World,

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<v Speaker 4>which said that in the next thirty years, nearly half

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<v Speaker 4>a billion more people on the planet could be at

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<v Speaker 4>risk for contracting mosquito born diseases such as yellow fever,

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<v Speaker 4>zeka dangay, and chicken gaya, which I'm sorry sounds delicious,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's a disease. Also, things like heat islands in

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<v Speaker 4>densely populated cities may up the risks of malaria and

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<v Speaker 4>dengey arriving right on your doorstep ding dong hi here

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<v Speaker 2>There are a host of ways there. I often like

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about climate change in terms of what I

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<v Speaker 2>call the kitchen table issues, the so what. For too long,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about climate change in terms of polar bears

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<v Speaker 2>in the year twenty one hundred. Climate change is now.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to stop using future tints. We're living it

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and it's likely going to accelerate in the

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<v Speaker 2>same way we saw at the COVID pandemic. It started

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<v Speaker 2>and accelerated rapidly. That's what we worry about as scientists

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<v Speaker 2>right now. But the good news in terms of your question,

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<v Speaker 2>is we know. I don't like the sort of even

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<v Speaker 2>harbor on just the bad this is happening because we

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<v Speaker 2>know that that is what it is. But we know

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<v Speaker 2>what needs to be done. That's the good news. If

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<v Speaker 2>the optimism is this is not a problem where we're

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<v Speaker 2>scratching our heads like what we need to do. We

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<v Speaker 2>know what we need to do. We've got to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>carbon emissions to do list, and we have technologies and

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<v Speaker 2>processes to do that. And in some cases we also

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<v Speaker 2>have to adapt. Things are already sort of past the

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<v Speaker 2>point of not non change. It's going to change, so

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<v Speaker 2>we have to develop adaptation strategies. Give you an example

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<v Speaker 2>out west. I know you're you're talking to me from

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<v Speaker 2>out west. Up in the Pacific Northwest. In twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a tremendous heat wave. People just aren't used

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<v Speaker 2>to that type of heat in parts of the Pacific Northwest.

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<v Speaker 2>Many homes don't have air conditioning, and there were many

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<v Speaker 2>deaths because of that heat.

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<v Speaker 4>And just a side note, so this heat wave in

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<v Speaker 4>June and July twenty twenty one reached one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>twenty degrees fahrenheit in Canada, folks. And it was a

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<v Speaker 4>once in a thousand year weather event, they said, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was one hundred and fifty times more likely to

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<v Speaker 4>occur because of climate change. It was a cost nearly

436
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<v Speaker 4>nine billion dollars financially, but fourteen hundred lives lost to

437
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<v Speaker 4>heat related deaths. So global warming is not a future issue,

438
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<v Speaker 4>it's now. So what can we do immediately?

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<v Speaker 2>So an adaptation strategy might be to retrofit many of

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<v Speaker 2>those homes with air conditioning now that don't have homes

441
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<v Speaker 2>because they may not have expected that type of heat

442
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<v Speaker 2>in Portland in the same way that in London this

443
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<v Speaker 2>year it got to one hundred and four degrees. Eighty

444
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<v Speaker 2>five percent of homes in London do not have air

445
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<v Speaker 2>conditioning because they never expected those types of temperatures. So

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<v Speaker 2>we know what we need to do. We just have

447
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<v Speaker 2>to act and move beyond what I call climate.

448
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<v Speaker 4>Delayism climate delays, and I've never heard of I mean,

449
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<v Speaker 4>that's a great term for it. So, yes, a little

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<v Speaker 4>urgency is needed because we know the cause and the

451
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<v Speaker 4>effects are already underway. What about these weather system where

452
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<v Speaker 4>we've got droughts in some areas, we've got flooding in others.

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<v Speaker 4>We know that glaciers not doing so well. Where is

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<v Speaker 4>the water going and what is moving it around?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, water is conserved on the planet. The amount of

456
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<v Speaker 2>water in the Earth's system is a finite amount, and

457
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<v Speaker 2>we live on a very small percentage of the fresh

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<v Speaker 2>water that's available to us. And you know, we all

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<v Speaker 2>learned about the water cycle somewhere along the way, But

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<v Speaker 2>most of the water is in the ocean, or it's

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<v Speaker 2>locked away, it frozen in the ice caps, or in

462
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<v Speaker 2>so forth, glaciers and so forth. So we live on

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<v Speaker 2>a very small percentage of water that's evaporating and condensing

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<v Speaker 2>the form rainfall and falling back into our reservoirs and

465
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<v Speaker 2>rivers and streams, or snowpack that melt.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So I look this up because I needed numbers,

467
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<v Speaker 4>and apparently there are three hundred and twenty six quintillion

468
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<v Speaker 4>gallons of water on Earth. What does that mean to you? Nothing,

469
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<v Speaker 4>I get it. It means it's three hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 4>six million cubic miles of water on Earth, and ninety

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<v Speaker 4>nine point seven percent of that is in the oceans.

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<v Speaker 4>It's in the soil, it's all wrapped up busy in

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<v Speaker 4>the ice caps for now at least, and it's also

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<v Speaker 4>in the atmosphere. So that just leaves a slim little

475
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<v Speaker 4>point three percent of water that's usable by our weird

476
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<v Speaker 4>little species of human and we definitely need water to exist.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you aren't me, and you're dehydrated and you're

478
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<v Speaker 4>filled with tiketos and gingerbread cookies and you're sitting there thirsty,

479
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<v Speaker 4>but you're refusing to hydrate yourself, please drink some water

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<v Speaker 4>and say thank you to the water. Say I would

481
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<v Speaker 4>literally die without you water, You would die so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things we've always known about climate

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<v Speaker 2>change is that places that will are dry will probably

484
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<v Speaker 2>become drier, and places that are wetter will become wetter.

485
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<v Speaker 2>And so that's how you maintain conservation or balance, because

486
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<v Speaker 2>that wet place is becoming wetter while the dryer places

487
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<v Speaker 2>on average are becoming drier. But what is really of

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<v Speaker 2>more concerned to us as climate scientists is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>the amount that falls on an annualized basis or the amount,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the rate of change. So what I mean by

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<v Speaker 2>that is here in Atlanta, where I am. The rainstorms

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<v Speaker 2>now there's just greater intensity in the rain. So when

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<v Speaker 2>it rains really hard, it's much harder than it would

494
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<v Speaker 2>have been on average in nineteen sixty or nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 4>It pours so because of.

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<v Speaker 2>These higher intensity rain rates, it overwhelms the engineered system,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why we see so much flooding on roadways

498
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<v Speaker 2>and then cities and so forth. With Hurricane Ida last year,

499
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<v Speaker 2>it made landfall down in the New Orleans, Louisiana area

500
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit south of there, and then it moved

501
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<v Speaker 2>into New York and caused tremendous flooding, flooded the subways

502
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<v Speaker 2>and so forth, because the engineered system that we currently

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<v Speaker 2>live in was designed for the rainstorms of nineteen sixty,

504
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<v Speaker 2>not twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're good at some city and you have

506
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<v Speaker 4>been looking for a calling in life, the urban planning

507
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<v Speaker 4>field of climate change mitigation, it's a real thing. And

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<v Speaker 4>according to one article I just read, urban designer Elizabeth

509
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<v Speaker 4>Plater Zyberg cited things like more walkable communities that could

510
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<v Speaker 4>lower carbon emissions, smaller and attached housing structures, and also

511
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<v Speaker 4>architecture that requires less of a strain on your HVAC system,

512
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<v Speaker 4>also tree planting. Those are a few ways to go

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<v Speaker 4>in urban planning for the future. But let's look back

514
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<v Speaker 4>in time for a second. Was your grandfathers walk to

515
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<v Speaker 4>school uphill both ways in the snow worse than your

516
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<v Speaker 4>current situation?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's counterintuitive to people, but I could actually

518
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<v Speaker 2>make an argument that the snowstorms and blizzards are worse

519
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<v Speaker 2>because of climate warming. See that's counterintuitive people, because I

520
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<v Speaker 2>just said warming and snow is cold. But we know

521
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<v Speaker 2>that the hurricanes, rainstorms, snowstorms, they all sort of get

522
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<v Speaker 2>started from water vapor, the gaseoest phase of water in

523
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<v Speaker 2>our atmosphere. And there's a basic physics principle called the

524
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<v Speaker 2>Clasius Clapperon equation. Let's break that down for all the

525
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<v Speaker 2>listeners out. There's a really fancy sounding term Clasius Clapperon,

526
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<v Speaker 2>but all it really means is as our atmosphere warms,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more water vapor available to it. So as we

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<v Speaker 2>have a net warmer atmosphere, there's more water vapor available

529
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<v Speaker 2>to it, which means there's more water vapor available to snowstorms, hurricanes,

530
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<v Speaker 2>and even rain storms.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's huge. A warmer planet means more water in

532
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<v Speaker 4>the atmosphere, but how much how much water are we talking?

533
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<v Speaker 4>So per degree fahrenheit about a four percent increase in

534
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<v Speaker 4>water vapor or that's seven percent for all the places

535
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<v Speaker 4>that are not the US and use celsius. So let's

536
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<v Speaker 4>take the northeast United States. Though about a century ago

537
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<v Speaker 4>the winter's averaged twenty two degrees fahrenheit, but they have

538
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<v Speaker 4>risen four degrees to twenty six degrees fahrenheit. Some years

539
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 4>are top and thirty degrees fahrenheit, which would be a

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<v Speaker 4>thirty two percent said increase in water vapor while still

541
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<v Speaker 4>being below the freezing temperature of thirty two degrees. So

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<v Speaker 4>if your weird uncle is hitting the vape pen and

543
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<v Speaker 4>declares global warming to be horseshit because his picnic table

544
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 4>is under five feet of powder, just feel free to

545
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.119
<v Speaker 4>kindly educate him. Just get some numbers up in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Any other flim flam to address? What about red sky

547
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 4>at night, sailor's delight? Any truth in that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are certainly these little sort of sayings. They

549
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<v Speaker 2>have some truth in that. They tend to be related

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of cloud systems that are moving in as

551
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<v Speaker 2>it sort of interacts with the sun. As the sun

552
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<v Speaker 2>is setting, you get sort of longer pathways of that

553
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>light through and there's red, but that can change depending

554
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<v Speaker 2>on the types of clouds that are in the sky,

555
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<v Speaker 2>and so that tends to indicate certain types of weather

556
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>systems and are on the horizon and so forth. So anecdotally,

557
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<v Speaker 2>there are some truths. Now, what are not true is

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<v Speaker 2>that rodents like groundhogs or almanacs can predict the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>So I often get that question. I'll have someone that says, well,

560
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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe all this climate science stuff, but hey,

561
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<v Speaker 2>what do you think of the groundhog forecast there? I

562
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<v Speaker 2>think it's erodent, That's what I think. And so you know,

563
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<v Speaker 2>we have to kind of you know, there are these

564
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<v Speaker 2>anecdotal things that people have grown up on and they

565
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<v Speaker 2>just believe that they're true. Like here in the South,

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<v Speaker 2>people will ask me all the time, so is that

567
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<v Speaker 2>heat lightning? Is heat lightning a thing? And I say, no,

568
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<v Speaker 2>it's not. But people have grown up hearing about heat

569
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<v Speaker 2>lightning all of their life. It's like the skylights up

570
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<v Speaker 2>with lightning, but you don't hear any thunder, and that's

571
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<v Speaker 2>just because the storm is too far away to hear

572
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<v Speaker 2>the thunder, but people think it's the heat of the

573
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<v Speaker 2>day causing the light the sky to light up.

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<v Speaker 4>So for more, so much more on lightning and clouds.

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<v Speaker 4>We have whole ass episodes folmonology and nephology episodes. I

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<v Speaker 4>will link them in the show notes. You will be

577
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<v Speaker 4>swimming in stormfacts and not smart question. But when it

578
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<v Speaker 4>comes to cyclones and tornadoes and hurricanes, why so twisty?

579
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<v Speaker 4>Why do things go in big circles?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like a lot of things in weather, dude,

581
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<v Speaker 2>that don't they like tornadoes and low pressure systems and hurricanes. Well,

582
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<v Speaker 2>you know, it really gets into a very complex dynamics

583
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<v Speaker 2>lesson that we probably would lose half your listening audience

584
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<v Speaker 2>from if we really go down too deep in that road.

585
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<v Speaker 2>But it's really an interplay between some fancy things called

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<v Speaker 2>pressure gradient forces and Coriolis force because remember we're on

587
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<v Speaker 2>a rotating planet. We are not on a stagnant planet.

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<v Speaker 2>We are on a rotating planet with this fluid the

589
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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere flowing around. And so if you think about a river,

590
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<v Speaker 2>that's a fluid and that river flows in a certain way,

591
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<v Speaker 2>But now think about if you put that river on

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<v Speaker 2>a rotating platform. Within a rotating platform, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get all kinds of eddies and whirls and so forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and so these sort of rotating systems and are really

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<v Speaker 2>very much related to the complexity of being having a

596
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<v Speaker 2>fluid on a rotating earth that also is differentially heated.

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<v Speaker 2>It's colder the poles and warmer at the equator, and

598
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<v Speaker 2>so because of that you get some really interesting dynamics.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're wondering what a pressure gradient force is all about,

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<v Speaker 4>let's tell you. Let's back up a second. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 4>high pressure areas are going to naturally flow into low

602
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<v Speaker 4>pressure areas, and the pressure gradient force is the difference

603
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<v Speaker 4>in pressure between the two areas, and the greater the difference,

604
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<v Speaker 4>the faster the air is going to rush from the

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<v Speaker 4>high pressure into the low and boom, you get wind,

606
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 4>you get gentle breezes, you get gale forces. It's all

607
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<v Speaker 4>fluid dynamics spinning around on a spinning rock, and the

608
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<v Speaker 4>Coriolis effect is all about which way that spin seems

609
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<v Speaker 4>to deflect a flow. In the northern hemisphere, low pressure

610
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<v Speaker 4>weather systems circle counterclockwise or to the right, but below

611
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<v Speaker 4>the equator they take a clockwise or a left turn,

612
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<v Speaker 4>and yes, this is affecting giant storms and cyclones, but

613
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<v Speaker 4>also how the water drains out of your bathtub hemisphere

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<v Speaker 4>to the left, to the left, northern right, and near

615
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<v Speaker 4>the equator, your bathtub spin will be much less twisty.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't that weird? And really basic terms, but things like

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<v Speaker 4>low pressure system, high pressure system, cold front, what exactly

618
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<v Speaker 4>do those mean? For people who watch the weather or

619
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<v Speaker 4>read about it and say, I kind of don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Fronts are sort of boundaries of air masses, and so

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<v Speaker 2>cold fronts tend to be frontal systems where you have

622
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<v Speaker 2>a cold, dense air mass sort of moving in to

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<v Speaker 2>lift and replace warmer air, because warmer air tends to

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<v Speaker 2>be less dense, and so it rises, and so you

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<v Speaker 2>get really violent storms oftentimes at cold fronts. Low pressure

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<v Speaker 2>is just what it says. It's the lower atmospheric pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas higher pressure as higher atmospheric pressure. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>lower pressure tends to be associated with more stormy, cloudy

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<v Speaker 2>type weather because the air rises associated with low pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas in high pressure, air tends to sink. When air sinks,

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<v Speaker 2>it compresses and warms, and so that's why typically when

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<v Speaker 2>you see high pressure, you're gonna be dealing with really clear,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps dry, even drought like weather that could call it

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<v Speaker 2>lead to things like wildfires and so forth.

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<v Speaker 4>So fronts are big patches of air, and cold patches

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<v Speaker 4>are more dense, and they lift the warmer, less dense

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<v Speaker 4>air up, and that's called a low pressure system, which

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<v Speaker 4>is stormier, while high pressure systems tend to be hotter

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<v Speaker 4>and drier. I have never understood weather before, so this

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<v Speaker 4>is thrilling, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to use this very simple analogy. I used

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<v Speaker 2>to use an analogy of a water bed, but now

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<v Speaker 2>people under like thirty look at me, like, what, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a waterbed? Yes, I was gonna say, your parents probably

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<v Speaker 2>had waterbed. So you push down on the water one

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<v Speaker 2>part of the water bed, it goes down, but another

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<v Speaker 2>part goes up. Well, something that younger listeners may know

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<v Speaker 2>about is the bounce houses, the inflatable bounce house. The

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<v Speaker 2>same concept. You push down on one part, another part

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<v Speaker 2>goes up. We our atmosphere has these sort of low

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<v Speaker 2>pressure troughs and high pressure ridges, and it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>this undulating sort of fluid and has these areas of

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<v Speaker 2>highs and lows as well.

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<v Speaker 4>That banging noise was Doctor Shepherd's are undulating as a

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<v Speaker 4>visual aid.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. Really, it's hard for many people to

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<v Speaker 2>envision it. The atmosphere is a three dimensional fluid from

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<v Speaker 2>the surface all the way up to the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere and their various wave patterns within it.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of visuals, what's your favorite movie about weather?

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<v Speaker 2>We just did a podcast episode on that, so check

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<v Speaker 2>out the Weather Geeks podcast by the Weather Channel. We

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<v Speaker 2>had a myself, Jen Carfagno and Alex Wallace from the

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<v Speaker 2>Weather Channel to on camera meteorologists. We talked about what

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<v Speaker 2>their favorite weather movies are and just what some of

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<v Speaker 2>the Weather Geek's listeners favorite movies are.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the Weather Geeks podcast episode called Lights, Camera Climate,

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<v Speaker 4>which is linked on my website. So he had an

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<v Speaker 4>answer all teed up for this, bless him.

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<v Speaker 2>So the one that came to mind for me was

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<v Speaker 2>not one that probably many people would even think about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a movie by Spike Lee called Do the Right Thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The star of the movie, really, even though you might

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<v Speaker 2>not think about it, was the heat, massive heat wave

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<v Speaker 2>that was going on at the time, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just almost every scene of that movie. The heat was

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<v Speaker 2>playing some role.

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<v Speaker 4>I have today's forecast for you hot.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people will say Twister, and I like

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<v Speaker 2>Twister to tornado movie, and one that's really more climate

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<v Speaker 2>focused is The Day After Tomorrow. Dennis Quaid and a

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<v Speaker 2>few other p. J. Gillenholm and others were in That movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a movie about sort of the climate going wacky

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<v Speaker 2>here on planet Earth, and it costs a very strange

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<v Speaker 2>weather storm is just gonna get worse. Should we do,

686
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<v Speaker 2>I will come for you. Do you understand me? A

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<v Speaker 2>really good movie. It was very unrealistic from a scientific standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was very entertaining.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you get asked to consult on movies?

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a couple of that. Yes. I was involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the kind of a little bit in the most

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<v Speaker 2>recent movie, Don't Look Up, which is a climate movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they reached out to me to comment on

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<v Speaker 2>aspects of the movie after the fact. And also one

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<v Speaker 2>of the really thinks nice things I liked about that

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<v Speaker 2>movie they created an online community of people because that

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<v Speaker 2>whole movie Don't Look Up, even though it was about

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<v Speaker 2>a comment approaching and destroying Earth, it was really a

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<v Speaker 2>large metaphor for climate change.

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<v Speaker 4>There's eight one hundred percent chance that we're all on

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<v Speaker 4>to die hate hate.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, well, the handsome astronomer can go back anytime, but

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<v Speaker 2>the yelling lady not so much. And so they created

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<v Speaker 2>an entire online community with things that people can go

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<v Speaker 2>to do to learn more about climate change and what

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<v Speaker 2>they can do. And I'm one of the science advisors

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<v Speaker 2>for their their website there too.

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<v Speaker 4>This website is don't look up dot count usin dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll link this on my website. But no, the producers

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<v Speaker 4>did not call him and just have him scream into

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<v Speaker 4>the void with frustration. But it was so wonderfully done

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<v Speaker 4>and with that kind of allegory about climate science. But

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<v Speaker 4>I thought one thing it did so well, and all

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<v Speaker 4>the people I talk to who are involved with climate

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<v Speaker 4>science are like, yes, we're upset, and it's upsetting that

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<v Speaker 4>no one will listen.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well, I think we're kind of past that,

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<v Speaker 2>though I think more people are listening now. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there are still pockets of people that aren't listening, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the majority of people. Although they tend to

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<v Speaker 2>be the loudest. They tend to be the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are on Twitter the most, and at your Thanksgiving table saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw on YouTube this as well. Was it a

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<v Speaker 2>peer reviewed, vetted study or was it a YouTube study?

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we still deal with a little of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but for the most part, I think we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>over that hump of having to convince most people again

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<v Speaker 2>probably about a nine. There's a study out there called

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<v Speaker 2>the sixth America Study that Yale does every year, and

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<v Speaker 2>they survey the American public and that crowd that we

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<v Speaker 2>call the dismissive crowd that they're coming in at about

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<v Speaker 2>seven or eight percent. Now, the folks that are just dismissive,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're not going to be able to move the

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<v Speaker 2>needle with them no matter what you say. So my

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<v Speaker 2>approach is on Twitter, I don't bother, I don't try

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<v Speaker 2>to engage with them or play Twitter tennis, going back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth.

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<v Speaker 4>So, and that survey, by the way, it measures six

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<v Speaker 4>different responses to climate science, ranging from here are some

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<v Speaker 4>flavors alarmed, concerned, cautious, disengaged, doubtful, and dismissive. Now alarmed, thankfully,

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<v Speaker 4>largest group clocking in this past year at thirty three

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<v Speaker 4>percent of those surveyed. They're like, I'm alarmed. This shit's scary. Dismissive.

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<v Speaker 4>On the other end of that spectrum, Whreuch is like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>not real, that's it nine percent. But the smallest group

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<v Speaker 4>of them all is apathetic, with just five percent of

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<v Speaker 4>Americans identifying as disengaged. So I'm going to link this short,

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<v Speaker 4>four question Yale survey on my website. It's called the

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<v Speaker 4>Six Americas Survey aka SASE, which is a fantastic reason

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<v Speaker 4>to take it already in addition to helping climate researchers

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<v Speaker 4>learn stuff. But what about information that you are gathering? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>What are some things that you wish people knew about? Whether,

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<v Speaker 4>what are facts to have in your pocket that you're like,

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<v Speaker 4>how do more people not know this? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I wish most people realize knew that we make weather

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<v Speaker 2>predictions based on computer models that solve equations that try

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<v Speaker 2>to predict how that fluid that I've been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>changes in one day or three days or five days.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wish people knew what thirty percent chance

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<v Speaker 2>of rain means, because most people don't. I mean when

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<v Speaker 2>I add ask people, they generally get it wrong. So

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<v Speaker 2>and because of that, they often sort of misinterpret that

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<v Speaker 2>we got the forecast wrong, when in fact they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what thirty percent chance of rain meane, which really

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to capture this r notion that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty percent chance with certain confidence who are given area

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<v Speaker 2>of the forecast, And so I wish people understood what

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<v Speaker 2>the hurricane cone really means. We saw that recently with

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<v Speaker 2>Hurricane Ian and Florida, which devastated parts of Florida this

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<v Speaker 2>year in twenty twenty two, and there were people that

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<v Speaker 2>evacuated from one part of the hurricane cone to another

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<v Speaker 2>part of the hurricane cone, when in fact, you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>evacuate anywhere in the hurricane cone. But most people interpret

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<v Speaker 2>that cone is meaning, Oh, the storm's going to go

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<v Speaker 2>down the center of the cone, and if it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. But in fact, what that cone means is

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<v Speaker 2>there's a sixty seven percent chance that the center of

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<v Speaker 2>that storm can be anywhere in that hurricane cone. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, there are just one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I've learned over the years as a professor at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Georgia and a scientist at NASA and

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<v Speaker 2>a communicator with the Weather Channel and Forbes. The American

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<v Speaker 2>public generally struggles with probabilities anything related to uncertainty, anything

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<v Speaker 2>that has more than two processes happening at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>or anything that they can't simplify to their level. Not

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that I've noticed that as a scientist, people

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<v Speaker 2>will tend to sort of simplify things to what they

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<v Speaker 2>to the level of their understanding, and at the expense

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<v Speaker 2>of getting it wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes that makes plenty of sense. And there's a reason

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<v Speaker 4>why there are people like you who are very good

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<v Speaker 4>at this, and then there are people like me who

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<v Speaker 4>forget to bring a jacket I go, which is like

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<v Speaker 4>why it's amazing to interview. Can I ask you some

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<v Speaker 4>questions from our listeners?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, happy to do it. And Son shout out, I

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<v Speaker 2>hear there's a special question coming. Yes, I'm someone that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe had me in class or something. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, not even a question. Jessica Ventra says, I'm too

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<v Speaker 4>excited to formulate a question. But doctor Shepherd taught my

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<v Speaker 4>weather and climate class at UGA. He was a fabulous professor.

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<v Speaker 4>I taught high school science for a decade and always

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<v Speaker 4>recommended his class to my students. And Jessica says that

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<v Speaker 4>they still have notes from your class.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so cool. No, it's really and you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if she taught high school that long, then

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<v Speaker 2>that means she took me probably over a decade ago

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<v Speaker 2>at the University of Georgia. So shout out to Jessica,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for taking what I bet was intro to weather

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<v Speaker 2>and climbate eleven twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>But before we do, we like to shower a cause

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<v Speaker 4>those most profoundly impacted by the global climate crisis. They

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<v Speaker 4>is a board member and you can learn all about

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, great questions about to rain down on you from

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<v Speaker 4>from a bunch of listeners. Wanted to know sleet, hail

835
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.639
<v Speaker 4>and gropple. What's the difference? Susan Baxter is a first

836
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 4>time question jasker and said, could you tell us about grapple?

837
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:18.039
<v Speaker 4>What exactly is it?

838
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, gropple. You know in storm in clouds, oftentimes

839
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.400
<v Speaker 2>precipitation is forming by ice crystals. The rain that falls

840
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 2>in most places in the United States actually started out

841
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>as a snowflake. It just melts and becomes rain when

842
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 2>it gets down below the freezing level. But there are

843
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.280
<v Speaker 2>oftentimes in clouds where these ice crystals they bump into

844
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 2>some of the liquid water in the clouds and it

845
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>freezes and it becomes this little seedling of ice, and

846
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:49.159
<v Speaker 2>we call that gropple. But in thunderstorms, that groppl can

847
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>continue to take trips up and down in that big

848
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.159
<v Speaker 2>thunderstorm or cumulo nimbus cut cloud, and they can grow

849
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 2>and take on layers like an onion if you slice

850
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 2>it and it falls out of the thunderstorm. Is hail.

851
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Sleet is actually ice crystals. They fall, they may melt,

852
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 2>then they refreeze as they fall down to the ground,

853
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and that's what we get as sleep. And then there's

854
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 2>another one that I'll add to our question, freezing rain.

855
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Freezing rain. The ice crystal starts out as a snowflake

856
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 2>in the cloud. It melts when it falls down to

857
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.119
<v Speaker 2>the ground, but it falls to the ground the temperatures

858
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.320
<v Speaker 2>below freezing, and then it freezes on surfaces, and that's

859
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 2>called freezing rain. So the thing that I would sort

860
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 2>of meet that I would note about this question, hail

861
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>only happens in thunderstorms. So you see bouncing pieces of

862
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 2>ice falling during the winter, it's probably sleet. Because I

863
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>often hear people say, oh, it's hailing outside, and no

864
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.599
<v Speaker 2>that's sleet because hail only happens in thunderstorms.

865
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 4>So yes, sleet is snow that melted and refroze before

866
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 4>hitting the ground. Hail happens in thunderstorms. Grapple is snow

867
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 4>coated and ice. The freezing rain turns slick upon hitting

868
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.679
<v Speaker 4>a surface. There's so much also more about snowfall in

869
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 4>the snow hydrology episode, which I'm going to link in

870
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.760
<v Speaker 4>the show notes, and I hope you listen to it

871
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 4>with a warm mug of something, because my digits are

872
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 4>frigid just thinking about it. I had no idea. Okay,

873
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 4>what about humidity? Tyler Nelson Stephanie Komber's want to note.

874
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.679
<v Speaker 4>Tyler says, is a fall forty degrees actually colder than

875
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 4>a spring forty degrees because of differences in moisture? And

876
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 4>Stephanie Coombs wants to know, is there really a difference

877
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.599
<v Speaker 4>in wet versus dry cold or is it all in

878
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 4>our heads? Lauren Maska Broda and Christy Kauger also desperately

879
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:37.280
<v Speaker 4>needed answers on this.

880
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know our flip that a little bit

881
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 2>because you often hear people talk about, oh, I'm going

882
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 2>to Vegas. It's one hundred and ten degrees, but it's

883
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.719
<v Speaker 2>a dry heat right here.

884
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, but you know.

885
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 2>One hundred and ten degrees is still hot whether it's

886
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 2>drying up. But I think the point there is that

887
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.679
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ten degrees with more humidity would be oppressive.

888
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And so here in Joy, Georgia, we can get to

889
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 2>ninety degrees, but our humidity may be quite high such

890
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.280
<v Speaker 2>that it feels like as one hundred and ten degrees

891
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.320
<v Speaker 2>because of that extra humidity. So yeah, there is something

892
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that humidity does add to the comfort level.

893
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 2>In terms of temperature, we often use something called the

894
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 2>heat index to sort of talk about what the temperature

895
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>really feels like when you add into humidity as well.

896
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>But a better metric these days is something called the

897
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>wet bulb globe temperature. Yeah, that's a big fancy. It

898
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.000
<v Speaker 2>tries to capture the temperature and humidity but also some

899
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 2>other ways that our body is exchanging heat with the

900
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.519
<v Speaker 2>surrounding atmosphere. So it's just a better metric to determine

901
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>whether our body's going to be sensitive to heat and humidity.

902
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 4>And that is called the wet bulb globe temperature, which

903
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.760
<v Speaker 4>according to weather Dot GOV is a measure of the

904
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 4>heat stress in direct sunlight, which is just a dirty

905
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 4>little combination of temperature, humidity, wind speed, and the sun

906
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 4>angle plus cloud cover. And some wet bulb globe thermometers

907
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 4>need to be covered in a moistened cloth to get

908
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.079
<v Speaker 4>good ratings. Also, why does wet bulb globe sound so horny?

909
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't help that the weather reporting service acuweather has

910
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 4>trademarked the term real feel for this measurement meteorology making

911
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 4>wet bulb globes hotter than expected.

912
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 2>So yes, some of your listeners may not be familiar

913
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.079
<v Speaker 2>with the term, but it's going to become more broadly

914
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 2>used in the future. Now, the other sort of side

915
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 2>of that is something called wind chill. When it's cold

916
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.079
<v Speaker 2>and windy, it makes it feel colder to us, so

917
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, you have to factor in that wind to

918
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>determine what it actually feels like to our skin. One

919
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.159
<v Speaker 2>other thing that might be an interesting tidbit to kind

920
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.639
<v Speaker 2>of go along with this question. When it's very humid outside,

921
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.639
<v Speaker 2>in fact, when the atmosphere is almost near saturation, which

922
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.360
<v Speaker 2>means it can't hold any more water vapor. Oftentimes that's

923
00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.599
<v Speaker 2>when we feel very uncomfortable because our bodies produce sweat perspiration,

924
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.679
<v Speaker 2>and the function of that perspiration or sweat is to

925
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:09.679
<v Speaker 2>evaporate because when it evaporates, it cools the layer of skin.

926
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.039
<v Speaker 2>But if the atmosphere is saturated, the evaporation of sweat

927
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't happen because that water vapor from the sweat has

928
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:21.239
<v Speaker 2>nowhere to go. The air is full, so it can evaporate,

929
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.840
<v Speaker 2>so it just stays there, a sticky, sticky sweat on

930
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>your on your body, and it doesn't evaporate. Because when things,

931
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.679
<v Speaker 2>when evaporation happens, it cools things.

932
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.239
<v Speaker 4>So when they're forecasting what a wind chill or trying

933
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 4>to figure out what exactly windchill is, I always picture

934
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.280
<v Speaker 4>them having like a mannequin with a bunch of sensors

935
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 4>out in the wind trying to figure out how cold

936
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 4>the mannekin would be. But with a wind chill, is

937
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:48.320
<v Speaker 4>that all just done numerically or how they forecast that's.

938
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Just I mean, there are laboratory studies, I'm sure, and

939
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.760
<v Speaker 2>other things that have been sort of conducted on sort

940
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>of bodies and how they respond to different wind chills

941
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 2>or heat in diseased or wet bulb globe temperatures. But yeah,

942
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.280
<v Speaker 2>and once that's established, our weather models predict the temperature

943
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and the winds, and then you can determine the wind

944
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 2>chill based on your expected wind or end or temperature.

945
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.119
<v Speaker 4>Ah Okay, see this is I'm learning so much already.

946
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 4>A ton of people want to know about tornadoes, looking

947
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:22.199
<v Speaker 4>at you, Patrons, Francis Hirstpreu Baker, Elijah Kelsey Simpson, Lea Anderson,

948
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:26.119
<v Speaker 4>Rebecca Rodarte, Jonathan, Mary Richard, Rebecca and Frey On behalf

949
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.239
<v Speaker 4>of their second Greater Aldo Fray, one time Kansas dweller,

950
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Mary Franks, and Sarah Montgomery. First time question asker says

951
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.920
<v Speaker 4>their understanding is that hurricanes can only rotate in one direction,

952
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.719
<v Speaker 4>but tornadoes can rotate in either direction. And also like

953
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.800
<v Speaker 4>what causes a tornado alley? Why do some places get

954
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:47.440
<v Speaker 4>tornadoes and some places don't.

955
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So, hurricanes in the northern Hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and

956
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 2>they're much larger storms than the tornadoes, which are much

957
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>smaller scale storms that tend to all have counterclock rise

958
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:03.079
<v Speaker 2>rotation as well. But there may be some that's been

959
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 2>out in the opposite direction. I would highly recommend and

960
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not because I'm in this series, but I am

961
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>in this series. Netflix just dropped a new series called

962
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.119
<v Speaker 2>earth Storm, and there's earth Storm Hurricane, earth Storm Tornado.

963
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the hurricane episode, but in that earth Storm

964
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Tornado episode does a really good job of explaining why,

965
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 2>for example, the United States gets quite a few tornadoes.

966
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 2>It's because of our juxtaposition, particularly the great planes of

967
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>the cold Canadian land mass, the Rockies to the west,

968
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and the Gulf of Mexico. Those three geographic features are

969
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of very important in setting up the environment that's

970
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 2>conducive for the formation of tornadoes.

971
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 4>It's a tistedst I should ask, though you did mention twister.

972
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 4>What's the closest you've been to a tornado? Have you

973
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 4>ever tornido?

974
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Very close at all? I run away from them, not

975
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 2>told to them, but there I say that because there

976
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.360
<v Speaker 2>are certainly we're in this era of storm chasers now,

977
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.599
<v Speaker 2>because you know, and some storm chasing is very important

978
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.159
<v Speaker 2>because you want to get data for science and so forth.

979
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 2>But are there some people that go out there for

980
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 2>the thrill or to get pictures to sell to the

981
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.599
<v Speaker 2>media and so forth, And more power to them. But

982
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I am a person that wants to be as far

983
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 2>away from a tornado as possible.

984
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 4>Okay, good. So you have you ever been in peril

985
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:22.440
<v Speaker 4>from your work?

986
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Not directly, I mean I've certainly been in some pretty

987
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 2>bad hurricane situations, particularly Opal is one that comes to mind.

988
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Or I don't put myself in That's not the kind

989
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:36.920
<v Speaker 2>of researcher work that I do to go and put

990
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 2>myself in front of a landfalling hurricane or a tornado.

991
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 4>Could Patrons Mark he Lette and Alia Myers asked if

992
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 4>he had to storm Chase and I hope they sleep

993
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:46.440
<v Speaker 4>better tonight.

994
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I was. I had a chance to fly. We were

995
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 2>doing a mission for NASA when I was a scientist

996
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 2>at NASA, and the planes are going to fly into

997
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 2>the hurricane to take some data. And I think I

998
00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:59.599
<v Speaker 2>had an opportunity to do that, but I passed. I'm

999
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>very ill.

1000
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, good, we need you here.

1001
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 2>So but there are certainly people that do it, though.

1002
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.320
<v Speaker 4>I have a theory that they have to put people

1003
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:12.960
<v Speaker 4>like on CNN have to be out and a windbreaker

1004
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.480
<v Speaker 4>in a storm, because you won't know how bad the

1005
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.119
<v Speaker 4>storm is until you see a windbreaker flapping around.

1006
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now, I think you've got that right. Actually, There

1007
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.320
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people that criticize reporters, like by

1008
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:27.679
<v Speaker 2>colleague Jim Cantore at the Weather Channel. Some people like, well,

1009
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 2>why aren't you just go inside or what you know, Look,

1010
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 2>if he's willing to take the risk, it is providing

1011
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>a service because I don't think people have a good

1012
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.400
<v Speaker 2>sense of how strong winds are and what a storm

1013
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.440
<v Speaker 2>surge looks like. Mike's side out. My colleague at the

1014
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Weather Channel was reporting recently from Florida during Hurricane Ian,

1015
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and he was in a protected place, but you could

1016
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:49.039
<v Speaker 2>really get a sense of the storm surge and how

1017
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 2>dangerous it was without that, Without that that journalism, I

1018
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 2>don't think people wouldn't really have a sense of that,

1019
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and they might be inclined to stay and in a

1020
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.719
<v Speaker 2>dangerous situation in the future. But maybe by seeing that,

1021
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe it will make them make a better decision down

1022
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 2>the road.

1023
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it always helps me to realize, like, oh, I

1024
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.159
<v Speaker 4>know what wind feels like, and I've never felt win

1025
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.480
<v Speaker 4>like that, So that's helpful for me at least.

1026
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, when I when I watched coverage of like

1027
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 2>out your Way earthquake, I mean, we don't experience a

1028
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 2>really bad earthquake here Georgia. We do have them or

1029
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 2>wildfires in the way that you have them out there,

1030
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, but seeing them or experiencing them from the

1031
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 2>lens of the camera gives me an idea that if

1032
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I did ever live in that area, i'd sort of

1033
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:28.639
<v Speaker 2>have a feel of what to do, and we're not

1034
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 2>what not to do?

1035
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean nineteen eighty nine World Series anyone, and he.

1036
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.159
<v Speaker 3>Fails to get Dave Parker bad second day.

1037
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 1>So the Oakland A's take take.

1038
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:46.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you watch The Giants and the A's,

1039
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:49.320
<v Speaker 4>but we had a giant earthquake in San Francisco as

1040
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 4>the World Series was playing out in the Bay Area,

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00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 4>and it was live, so a lot of people got

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00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.639
<v Speaker 4>to see, you know, Candlestick Park shaking, and they're like, oh, yeah,

1043
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 4>that sucks.

1044
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.679
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, I've seen I've seen those images.

1045
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.519
<v Speaker 4>A ton of Floridians wrote in of course, I feel

1046
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:06.000
<v Speaker 4>like people of Florida seither like meteorology and they're like,

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00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:10.480
<v Speaker 4>I have questions. But Katie Collins wants to know Floridian here,

1048
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 4>why are hurricanes so hard to track? And also a

1049
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 4>few people Mackenzie King wanted to know is a hurricane

1050
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.599
<v Speaker 4>season maybe going to go longer in the year, so

1051
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:23.400
<v Speaker 4>some good questions.

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00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Actually hurricanes aren't that hard to track within about five days.

1053
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>They tend to be a little less easy to track

1054
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.320
<v Speaker 2>when they're beyond about five days out in the ten

1055
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:36.960
<v Speaker 2>day range. Where we've had progress over the years is

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00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 2>actually our forecast track has been improved steadily over the

1057
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>last several decades. We're never going to be perfect. That's

1058
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 2>another thing I wanted to mention, so I'm glad you

1059
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.960
<v Speaker 2>asked this question. There is this expectation by the public

1060
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 2>that we can get it exactly right. We'll never be

1061
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>able to do that, whether it's a hurricane track, tornadic storm,

1062
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 2>or a partcipit. That's why we give you the forecast

1063
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 2>as a cone or as a probability, because we can't

1064
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and we won't ever have the ability to give you

1065
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.239
<v Speaker 2>a precise answer to is it going to rain in

1066
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 2>the backyard near my tomato plant next to the dog bowl.

1067
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.599
<v Speaker 2>I will never be able to give you that precision

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00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.119
<v Speaker 2>of a forecast. The atmosphere doesn't behave that way. It's

1069
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:19.760
<v Speaker 2>a non linear system that we're trying to predict with equations.

1070
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.800
<v Speaker 2>We will never have that level of accuracy with weather forecasting,

1071
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>because we're dealing with a fluid on a rotating planet

1072
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 2>that we're trying to predict with equations. But we've reduced

1073
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the error in track forecasts significantly in the three day,

1074
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:39.400
<v Speaker 2>four day, two day, one day out, So fifty to

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00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 2>one hundred nautical miles of error from my panish one's

1076
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.519
<v Speaker 2>actually pretty good. So in other words, we can tell

1077
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 2>you within a fifty to one hundred miles whether hurricane

1078
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 2>is making landfall. That's about as good as the science

1079
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.239
<v Speaker 2>allows us to get right now.

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00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 4>So the track or location of our hurricane slash typhoon

1081
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 4>slash cyclone is easier to predict than the intensity of

1082
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.760
<v Speaker 4>it and the intense he follows. The Sephir Simpson Hurricane

1083
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:08.840
<v Speaker 4>Windscale SSHWS from a ready starts at tropical depression, to

1084
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.000
<v Speaker 4>a tropical storm to a category one if it reaches

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00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.400
<v Speaker 4>seventy four mile an hour sustained winds, all the way

1086
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.760
<v Speaker 4>up to a category five, which has over one hundred

1087
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.840
<v Speaker 4>and fifty seven mile per hour wins. But what about

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00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:23.880
<v Speaker 4>their names? Why are we calling them names that we

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00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 4>would name our nieces or nephews. Well, in order to

1090
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 4>not confuse storm systems. During World War Two, military meteorologists

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00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 4>named hurricanes after their partners and love interests and wives

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00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 4>and girlfriends, until this wonderful person named Roxy Bolton in

1093
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 4>the seventies, an ardent and accomplished feminist icon and activist,

1094
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:50.000
<v Speaker 4>suggested maybe they should alternate those with male names. Although

1095
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.880
<v Speaker 4>Roxy initially suggested that the devastating storms should be named

1096
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 4>after senators, but the baby name convention stuck, and Noah

1097
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.639
<v Speaker 4>keeps these pre written lists that rotate every six years

1098
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.280
<v Speaker 4>until there's a hurricane that's so devastating that they just retire.

1099
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 4>It's Jersey for good, like there will never be another

1100
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:12.320
<v Speaker 4>Hurricane Katrina. And yes, there has been an oft sided

1101
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:16.400
<v Speaker 4>study that came out in twenty fourteen titled female Hurricanes

1102
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.880
<v Speaker 4>are Deadlier than male hurricanes, and it found that because

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00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 4>of gender bias, folks do not heed warnings when it

1104
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.239
<v Speaker 4>comes to a hurricane named after a woman as much

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00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.440
<v Speaker 4>as they do when named after man, although some people

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00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 4>contested this, saying that the data set included hurricanes from

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00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 4>nineteen fifty to nineteen seventy eight when they only used

1108
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 4>female names, so some people can test it. What's my point?

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00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.840
<v Speaker 4>My point is if a hurricane's coming, please don't fuck around,

1110
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.559
<v Speaker 4>thank you. So if you want to win some easy money, though,

1111
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.360
<v Speaker 4>you can bet someone that the first hurricane of twenty

1112
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.760
<v Speaker 4>twenty three will be named Arlen. And hope that they

1113
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.599
<v Speaker 4>don't look at the link that I'm posting on my

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00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.960
<v Speaker 4>website to Noah dot gov that has all the hurricane

1115
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.639
<v Speaker 4>names for the next six years, and hopefully they don't

1116
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.320
<v Speaker 4>listen to that before hurricane season, which starts in June

1117
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 4>and it lasts longer than Thanksgiving leftovers.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is some evidence because the waters stay warmer longer,

1119
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.239
<v Speaker 2>or perhaps get warmer earlier in the season, that the

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00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 2>hurricane season might start to be extended beyond June first

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00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and November thirtieth. I remember in two thousand and five

1122
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 2>we had hurricanes or tropical systems in the December. A

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00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:28.199
<v Speaker 2>few years ago we had hurricane or tropical storm Alex

1124
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 2>and that was in January. So it's all related to

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00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:34.360
<v Speaker 2>when those waters start becoming warm enough to support a hurricane.

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00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 2>You typically want about an eighty degree fair and heighth

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00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 2>temperature or so. But because of the climate warming of

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00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the ocean, we're starting to see warmer oceans that can

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00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.320
<v Speaker 2>feed these storms.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of folks spoke to one of the flim

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00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:51.239
<v Speaker 4>flams that you were kind of busting earlier. Mazi Lopez, Gens,

1132
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:55.880
<v Speaker 4>Girl Alvarez, Josephina, Benjamin and Dbao, James Hale's, Olivia French,

1133
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.559
<v Speaker 4>Andrew Ricaid, Rebecca Davis, Justin Dahl, Kat Kessler's husband, and

1134
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.519
<v Speaker 4>Freddie be all wanted to know what does a percent

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01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 4>chance really mean and how do you quantify the chance

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01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 4>of precipitation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's related to the data that comes out of our models,

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01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 2>and so we look at sort of how much confidence

1139
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.960
<v Speaker 2>do we have that a certain amount of rain is

1140
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 2>going to fall at that location within a given area,

1141
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and so it's it's a probabilistic forecast. So I'll give

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01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:26.039
<v Speaker 2>you a little anecdotal example. I was up in the

1143
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:29.079
<v Speaker 2>North Georgia Mountains doing some river tubing with my son

1144
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 2>one day and it started raining, and this woman sort

1145
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.039
<v Speaker 2>of starts complaining about the meteorology. She said there was

1146
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:38.760
<v Speaker 2>only a twenty percent chance of rain today. See, those

1147
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:43.039
<v Speaker 2>meteorologiers are always wrong. She didn't know as a meteorologists.

1148
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I was floating right now next to her, So I'm

1149
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:49.159
<v Speaker 2>thinking to myself, it wasn't a zero percent chance of rain.

1150
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.840
<v Speaker 2>In fact, we were probably in the twenty percent region

1151
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:56.639
<v Speaker 2>that day, So I mean that forecast wasn't wrong at all, Right,

1152
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.599
<v Speaker 2>twenty percent, there was a twenty There was a zero

1153
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:03.360
<v Speaker 2>percent chance that that particular area would receive rain. There

1154
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:07.280
<v Speaker 2>was a twenty percent chance, so it rained likely in

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01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 2>of just a statistical since the eighty percent of the

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01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:13.400
<v Speaker 2>area didn't get rain, but we were in the twenty

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01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.559
<v Speaker 2>percent that did so well, nothing was wrong with that

1158
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:16.599
<v Speaker 2>forecast at all.

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<v Speaker 4>So that percentage can mean that twenty percent of the

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01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:24.320
<v Speaker 4>area will definitely see rain. But other meteorologists might use

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01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 4>a slightly different formula to determine the pop or the

1162
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.719
<v Speaker 4>probability of precipitation, which works out to be the confidence

1163
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.000
<v Speaker 4>of rain times the area. So if there is a

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01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:39.320
<v Speaker 4>sixty percent confidence that rain will occur over sixty percent

1165
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 4>of a given geography, then the POP for that day

1166
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.800
<v Speaker 4>would be thirty six percent chance of rain. You know what,

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01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 4>as long as we're getting formulaic and jargony, these next

1168
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 4>ones are for the real weather geeks. One last listener question.

1169
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:55.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to pick one that I feel like you

1170
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:58.960
<v Speaker 4>will appreciate because we don't know what it means. Cassie

1171
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.760
<v Speaker 4>wants to know how to get the precision of incituo

1172
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.159
<v Speaker 4>measurements with the coverage of remote sensing to improve model accuracy,

1173
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.760
<v Speaker 4>and Trevor Dirty wants to know E NSO is highly predictable.

1174
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.199
<v Speaker 4>How far would you say we are away from being

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01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.480
<v Speaker 4>able to predict AMO at similar resolution. I don't know

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01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:15.239
<v Speaker 4>what any of those mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, in SO it's just the El Nino Southern

1178
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:21.800
<v Speaker 2>oscillation cycle, and AMO is the Atlantic multi decadal oscillation

1179
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:26.199
<v Speaker 2>so INSO is the El Nino La Nina phase, and

1180
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:30.960
<v Speaker 2>so there is some level of some predictability of the

1181
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.239
<v Speaker 2>INSO cycle. Right now, For example, we're still in Ala

1182
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Nina phase, which means the ocean waters in this Equatorial

1183
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Pacific are cooler than normal and that tends to affect

1184
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:42.360
<v Speaker 2>weather patterns, whereas long warmer than normal Equatorial Pacific is

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01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the El Nino and so the Climate Prediction Center of

1186
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the European Center, they actually can predict the sort of

1187
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Speaker 2>INSO phase, whether we're El Nino and La Nina, not

1188
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:56.719
<v Speaker 2>as precisely as we can sort of day to day weather,

1189
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.320
<v Speaker 2>but we can have a sense of whether we're going

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01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:01.199
<v Speaker 2>to be in a lin Nini or an al Nino pattern,

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01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and that in turn leads to some understanding of what

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01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.320
<v Speaker 2>type of weather we'll see in certain parts of the US.

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01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.599
<v Speaker 4>So al Nino is warmer Pacific ocean waters, and yes,

1194
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:14.960
<v Speaker 4>La Nina is cooler and per Trevor's question, more predictable.

1195
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.559
<v Speaker 4>So scientists are still figuring out the AMO, which is

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01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:21.960
<v Speaker 4>the Atlantic Ocean's pattern of warming and cooling that tends

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01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:25.559
<v Speaker 4>to switch about every seventy or so years, perhaps due

1198
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.039
<v Speaker 4>to the regular ocean conveyor belt currents, but scientists think

1199
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.159
<v Speaker 4>it may also be affected lately through climate change. And

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01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Trevor Derning wanted to know how far away would you

1201
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.920
<v Speaker 4>say we are from being able to predict the AMO

1202
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:40.599
<v Speaker 4>at similar resolution.

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01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:45.679
<v Speaker 2>The AMO is the sort of larger, long varying cycle

1204
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.519
<v Speaker 2>in the atmosphere that has been linked to hurricane activity

1205
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.519
<v Speaker 2>in the Atlantic, for example, And you know whether we're

1206
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.960
<v Speaker 2>in a sort of active phase versus a non active phase.

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01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:01.159
<v Speaker 2>I think our predictability of that is that's clear right now.

1208
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I think one question you mentioned was about QG theory

1209
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:06.239
<v Speaker 2>and something about a skew.

1210
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:10.519
<v Speaker 4>T chart, So that was Patron Diana Warheight's question. Which read, oh,

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01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:12.840
<v Speaker 4>please ask about QT theory and how the skew T

1212
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.199
<v Speaker 4>is the ultimate atmosphere gauge for what is happening in

1213
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 4>the atmosphere at the moment.

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01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Which is a plot that we use to plot soundings,

1215
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:21.960
<v Speaker 2>which is when we send weather balloons up, they take

1216
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:25.400
<v Speaker 2>information about temperature and moisture and wind and we plot

1217
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.400
<v Speaker 2>those on a skew T charts. And quasi geostrophic theory

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01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:31.639
<v Speaker 2>or QG theory, which was mentioned, that's just sort of

1219
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the sort of governing synoptic dynamic theories in

1220
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the atmospheric sciences. That explains many of the motions. Again,

1221
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 2>it's way too complex to talk about on a podcast,

1222
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:46.880
<v Speaker 2>So I would recommend the dynamics class in a meteorology

1223
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.360
<v Speaker 2>program to get into the QG theory, because if I

1224
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.519
<v Speaker 2>start talking about it, your head's going to explode and

1225
01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 2>your headphones or EarPods are going to fly out of

1226
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 2>your ear.

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01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:59.239
<v Speaker 4>Right, Hi, I went to the American Meteorological Society's glossary

1228
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:02.119
<v Speaker 4>terms and this back in my little basket for us. So,

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01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:06.119
<v Speaker 4>a quasi geostrophic theory is a theory of atmospheric dynamics

1230
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.519
<v Speaker 4>that involves the quasi giostrophic approximation and the derivation of

1231
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 4>the quasi geotrophic equations. What's a quasi geotrophic approximation you're

1232
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:15.800
<v Speaker 4>dying to know. I'll tell you. It's a form of

1233
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.679
<v Speaker 4>the primitive equations in which an approximation to the actual

1234
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:23.159
<v Speaker 4>winds is selectively used in the momentum and thermodynamic equations. Specifically,

1235
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.000
<v Speaker 4>horizontal winds are replaced by their geostrophic values in the

1236
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:30.039
<v Speaker 4>horizontal acceleration terms of the momentum equations, and horizontal advection

1237
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:34.719
<v Speaker 4>in the thermodynamic equation is approximated by geostrophic adviction. It continues,

1238
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.159
<v Speaker 4>but I blacked out trying to read it. So just

1239
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.440
<v Speaker 4>please respect your whether people never comment on their outfits

1240
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:42.280
<v Speaker 4>on TV. They deserve so much better.

1241
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's some good geeky stuff that we certainly talk

1242
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:46.199
<v Speaker 2>about on weather gigs.

1243
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.440
<v Speaker 4>So yep. Is there an issue with weather balloons because

1244
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:51.760
<v Speaker 4>of a helium shortage?

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<v Speaker 2>There was, We've had periodically we have had some issues

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<v Speaker 2>with the National Weather Service. Now, I think one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that really helps us out as we can get some

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<v Speaker 2>of the same kind of information from satellites these days

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<v Speaker 2>that we can get from weather balloons and in some ways,

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<v Speaker 2>the satellites are better because we can get coverage and

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<v Speaker 2>more consistently and over many other places. With the weather balloon,

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<v Speaker 2>we only have it where we have it and when

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<v Speaker 2>we launch it, and that's sometimes just twice a day,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still the satellites don't have the same level

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<v Speaker 2>of resolution. Satellites are much coarser resolution. And what I

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<v Speaker 2>mean by resolution if most of you probably have an iPhone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Team Android, I have a Samsum. But on our

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<v Speaker 2>cameras on our phones, a number of megapixels tells us

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<v Speaker 2>how good the photos are on those phones. So the

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<v Speaker 2>more megapixels, the better the picture. So the finer the

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<v Speaker 2>resolution is of the model or the resud of the observation,

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<v Speaker 2>the more fine scale weather we can actually measure. So

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<v Speaker 2>right now you know, when you've got a weather balloon,

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<v Speaker 2>or you've got a temperature measurement from a thermometer or

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<v Speaker 2>a pressure measurement from a barometer where you're sitting alley,

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty good resolution. A satellite might you only able

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<v Speaker 2>to give you a resolution over the square mile of

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<v Speaker 2>where you're sitting, so it would be a much more

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<v Speaker 2>blurred courser measurement.

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<v Speaker 4>I just wanted to tell you that in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 4>a truck driver named Larry Walters filled forty five weather

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<v Speaker 4>balloons with helium, and then he tied them to a

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<v Speaker 4>lawn chair and flew sixteen thousand feet over Long Beach

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<v Speaker 4>for about forty five minutes, just cruising in a lawn

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<v Speaker 4>chair covered in balloons. And then he took a pellet gun.

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<v Speaker 4>He thought about this ahead of time, and he shot

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<v Speaker 4>the balloons until he dropped the gun on accident. He

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<v Speaker 4>didn't think about that, but he floated back down to earth.

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<v Speaker 4>He got tangled in some power lines, but he climbed

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<v Speaker 4>down to safety, and then he was on some talk shows.

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<v Speaker 4>But ultimately his life got really sad and he died

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<v Speaker 4>by his own hand. We won't go into it. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>I know you don't care, but I just figured out

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<v Speaker 4>that to lift me off the ground it would take

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<v Speaker 4>five hundred and fifty seven party balloons, which would be

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<v Speaker 4>scary and a waste of helium. So I'm good, just

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<v Speaker 4>sobbing to up last two questions. I always ask, hardest

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<v Speaker 4>thing about meteorology can be annoying, it can be difficult,

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<v Speaker 4>it can be whatever hardest thing about.

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<v Speaker 2>The hardest thing about meteorology is that we're we're it's

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<v Speaker 2>fluid dynamics, but it's accessible to many in the public,

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<v Speaker 2>so they think it's much more so than that it

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<v Speaker 2>really is. The discipline is from a science standpoint, is

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<v Speaker 2>really just fluid dynamics, a bunch of physics and a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of calculus. But to the public, all they see

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<v Speaker 2>is cole fronts on a map or something. But a

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<v Speaker 2>lot went into getting to that point, and so that's

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<v Speaker 2>the challenge of explaining that complexity to me, is very difficult.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmmm. What about your favorite thing? Your favorite thing

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<v Speaker 4>about weather? About meteorology, what's fascinating?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't help. But when there's a storm, you know coming,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I'm looking at the radar and I

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<v Speaker 2>see you know, I'm out on my deck or in

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<v Speaker 2>the front yard as long as I can trying to

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<v Speaker 2>see what's going on before I have to get the safety.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I'm still legitimate, only fascinated by weather. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like I work what I do. I'm look.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the former president of the American Meteorological Society.

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<v Speaker 2>I work for NASA. I get to do basically big

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<v Speaker 2>science projects. We're living now as a scientist and a

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<v Speaker 2>professor at the University of Georgia. I mean, I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>a kid in the candy store. I don't dread going

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<v Speaker 2>to work.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why I wanted to talk to you. You're

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<v Speaker 4>honestly like the most qualified meteorologist I've ever seen. Like

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<v Speaker 4>your list of awards is bonkers. How celebrated you are,

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<v Speaker 4>and clearly you're very into this and passionate about it,

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<v Speaker 4>because I mean, you're just it shows in the work

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01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.880
<v Speaker 4>you do and the outreach you do. And I follow

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<v Speaker 4>you on Twitter and you're a joy to follow on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 4>But anything else that you want to shout out, I know,

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<v Speaker 4>we mentioned weather Geeks, we'll mention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I definitely guess Jim. If you like anything

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01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:51.079
<v Speaker 2>you hear, We geek out every week with various weather

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01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:53.479
<v Speaker 2>and climate and science experts on the Weather Geeks podcast

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01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.399
<v Speaker 2>by the Weather Channel. Check out my Forbes articles. Follow

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<v Speaker 2>me on Twitter at doctor Shepherd twenty thirteen. I'm on

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01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.319
<v Speaker 2>int Gram at marsh for FSU. I'm on TikTok at

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Shepherd Knows. So that's just the new for eight

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<v Speaker 2>in the TikTok fairly recently so still kind of feeling

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<v Speaker 2>my way around that format. But yeah, I'm out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not your typical scientists a professor. I really like

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<v Speaker 2>to engage.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for doing this. This is a joy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been an honor.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, thank you so much for having me Alan Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So there you have it. You can ask brilliant distinguished

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<v Speaker 4>professors sometimes dorky questions because they're just a del yusha

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<v Speaker 4>facts and learning stuff makes the planet healthier for all

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<v Speaker 4>of us. So there are links to doctor Marshall Shepherd's

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<v Speaker 4>social media and website, and to sustain dot org and

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<v Speaker 4>so many things that we discussed up at my website

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<v Speaker 4>at aliwar dot com, slash ologies slash meteorology that's linked

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<v Speaker 4>in the show notes. We're at ologies on Twitter and Instagram.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm at ali Ward with one L on both. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>at ali Underscore ologies on TikTok say Hi. Smologies episodes

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01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.319
<v Speaker 4>are right in our feed and they're safe for all ages.

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<v Speaker 4>You can find them at aliwar dot com slash smologies.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you Mercedes Maitland, Jarreed Sleeper, and Siegredriguez Thomas for

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<v Speaker 4>editing those ologies. Merch is available ologiesmirch dot com. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>Susan Hale for managing that plus doing so much more.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you Noel Dilworth for all the scheduling. Emily White

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<v Speaker 4>of the Wordery makes our professional transcripts and Caleb Patten

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<v Speaker 4>bleeps them. Those are up for free at aliward dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>Slash Ologies Dash Extras. Aaron Talbert admins the Ologies podcast

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<v Speaker 4>Facebook group with the sist from Bunnie Dutch and Shannon

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01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:30.880
<v Speaker 4>and can design one for you. Nick Thorburn made the

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<v Speaker 4>theme music and lead editor for this episode was the

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful Mercedes Maitland of Maitland Audio Productions, which is linked

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<v Speaker 4>in the show notes at maitland audio dot com. Huge

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<v Speaker 4>thanks to her for the tremendous job she's doing and

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<v Speaker 4>giving mister Jared Sleeper some time to explore his other passions.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited for him for that. If you stick

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<v Speaker 4>around to the end of the show, you know I

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<v Speaker 4>tell you a secret, and this week's secret is that

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<v Speaker 4>I watched Gieramo del Toro's Pinocchio on Netflix and the

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<v Speaker 4>entire time I was watching it, they haven't Jiminy Cricket

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<v Speaker 4>character and he's got kind of a rotund little belly,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just kept thinking, Man, I wonder if he's

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<v Speaker 4>got a horse hair worm in there, because if you've

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen a horse hair worm crawl out of a

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<v Speaker 4>cricket or a praying mantis's butt, wow, it puts like

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01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:19.560
<v Speaker 4>pimple videos to shame. Just google it. They put its

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01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 4>little butt in water and then the horse hair worm

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<v Speaker 4>is like, I'm out of here, and it is like

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<v Speaker 4>a mile of worm. But no, Pinocchio didn't touch on

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01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:29.880
<v Speaker 4>horse hair worms. I wish it did. It did make

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<v Speaker 4>me cry a lot. I cried so much. Also, Girmo

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<v Speaker 4>Delt horror at one point on Twitter said he would

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<v Speaker 4>appear on Ologies on an episode about creatures and monsters.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's been a little busy since he tweeted that

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<v Speaker 4>two years ago. But don't think that it's not on

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<v Speaker 4>my wish list. All right, this is not a bout

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<v Speaker 4>me go dance around in the rain. It's great, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>bye bye. The weather outside is weather.

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