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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Big Podcast. How are you happy Monday?

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Today is the sixteenth day of June, year of Our Lord,

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twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: My name is Tom Sullivan. And you know it's not

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a great list to go over today. We have quite

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a weekend that we just finished off. We've got the

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shootings in Minnesota against the political officeholders there. I don't

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care what party you are, there's nothing good about that.

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The question now is it was this offer? There are

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going to be copycats and things along those topics. Will

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dig into it today. The war Iran and Israel still

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going strong. There are rumors, in fact the Wall Street

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journals talking about the fact that Iran may actually want

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to sit down and have talks all of a sudden

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with not only Israel but also the United States. And

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the whole thing about the United States getting involved. I mean,

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it's one of those where the President's being very coy

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and for political reasons. Again, we will dive into all

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of that. The parade over the weekend, the Army two

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hundred and fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 3: What did you.

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Speaker 2: Think about the parade? It cost a lot of money,

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but then there were corporate sponsors. Was it an ego

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trip for the president. Your reaction, I would love to hear.

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The phone number here is eight five five two nine

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five sixty six hundred eight five five two nine five

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sixty six hundred. Paul, leave a message, we'll play, we'll play.

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I'm looking forward to playing a bunch of the messages.

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But immigration, apparently the president is carved out. Uh, don't

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go after the people working on the farms, but go

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after the people that are living in cities, especially big

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cities run by Democrats. Harry Enton has the latest on

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all things regarding statistics, if you will. And the G

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seven is underway in Alberta and the G seven it's

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a three day event today they're supposed to focus on

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the global economy. But you know what that brings up

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that bro oh, yeah, that brings up the whole business

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about the tariffs. And so they're Donald trumpet. But this

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was in his first term Trump one point. Oh, that

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was the big deal where he shook up the G seven,

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Angela Merkel and the whole crowd. They were all turning

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against him because he tore up an agreement. He was

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kind of the skunk and the picnic. The first time

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he went to the G seven and so that's kind

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of him. He may be going back to tear things

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up again. But anyway, today they're going to talk about

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the global economy. They'll also talk about the wildfires which

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are near Alberta in Canada, drugs, fentanyl, migrant smuggling, all

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that's on the list today. Tomorrow they're scheduled to add

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Zelensky of Ukraine and Mark root Routine, the new NATO

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General Secretary, to talk about NATO and Europe's involvement with Ukraine.

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If any then they're going to open it up to

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other leaders besides just the seven. It will be ball

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of fireworks probably today and tomorrow. That's what's going on today.

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The Royal Canadian Mounted Police are saying they expect protesting

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Calgary and also in banf Both of those are near

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where this summit is taking place. So starting with the war,

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the headlines are about the fact that we don't know

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if this is true or not. The headlines are about

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the fact that the president vetoed the idea of Israel

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taking out the Ietola wanted to kill him, and a

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lot of people think that until you get rid of

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the Ayatola and his crowd, you are not going to

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stop Iran from being the world's number one terrorist supporter. Basically,

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is Donald Trump really want to stop? I know he's

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anti war, and is he what's he thinking when it

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comes to not taking out the leader of Iran? I mean,

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this is this is fundamental to winning a war. Don't

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you think is taking out the leader? Maybe not? Maybe

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they can leave him in place. I don't think so.

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If Israel wins the war, which I would think that

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they're going to be able to Iran looks like they

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are in bad shape. There's even been talked about plans

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to evacuate the Ayatola to Russia, and that'd be fine too,

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so he doesn't get killed, but take him out of

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Iran and put Iran back into a country that it

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was many, many decades ago before the Ayatola came in. Apparently,

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again more reporting about the fact that the supporters of

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Donald Trump are split heavily on this whole idea about

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the war in Iran. There is a big split about

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Israel's security versus Iran and can we help defend Israel itself?

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But Marjorie Taylor Green is leading the pack saying stop, stop, stop,

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don't do anymore. What's the matter with you. We are

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not into killing other people. We are for peace. Tucker

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Carlson is another one who is yelling about the fact

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that what are you doing, Donald Trump? Why are you

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even suggesting anything about helping Israel? And the President has

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said when asked about are we going to get involved,

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he says it's possible we could get involved. So there's

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a split going on within the mag of crowd about

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those that want nothing to do with other parts of

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the world be I guess total isolation. And yet on

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the other hand, there are people going Iran is a

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world menace. They are the supporters of all kinds of

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terrorist attacks, and that brings up the question about do

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they have sleepers here in the US. Are they going

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to start attacking some of us in this country because

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of their thinking that the US is involved. Apparently we

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have navy ships in the area that are helping to

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defend Israel from some of the missiles that have come

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pouring in over the last couple of days. Apparently Israel

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has fired three I'm sorry, Iran has fired three hundred

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and seventy missiles at Israel. And you've seen the news

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coverage where they are there's some of them getting through,

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none of them getting through where they're killing people in

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Tel Aviv. So the iron Dome is working, but not perfectly.

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It is stopping a lot of it. The other question

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about do we get involved is apparently the bunker Buster,

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which is this area called Photo or photo I'm not

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even sure the pronunciation, but it is the number one

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no clear sight in Iran. That is where they are

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doing the enrichment of the uranium, and it is very

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deep underground and you can't get to it by fire

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jets dropping bombs. They're going to have to have the

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big bunker Buster bomb. It's a thirty thousand pound bomb,

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and the only plane that can load the thing and

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fly it and drop it with precision is the B

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two bomber. We're the only ones with the bunker Buster,

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were the only ones with the B two. So are

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we going to get involved or not? We will wait

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and see what the President comes up with. But right

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now he's hedging, and I think he's hedging because of

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political reasons. He knows that there are Maga people that

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are supporting him and Maga people that are complaining about

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what about us even being possibly involved. So that's what's

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going on over in the in the Middle East. As

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far as the war goes oil prices, that's where you're

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going to feel the impact. Oil prices have surged on

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this at first, but now today. We'll wait as we

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go through the day, but the markets are all very

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very positive. Oil prices are going down. We're down around

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seventy dollars a barrow. We were up to seventy four

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dollars a barrel on Friday. So oil prices, I don't

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know if you're going to feel any impact that the pump.

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of days comes right back down again. So we may

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see oil prices affecting gas prices, but I'm not sure

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it's going to the market today are actually fairly calm.

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is meeting, so a lot of people in the financial

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markets are waiting to see what the Fed will do,

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and at this point people are betting the Fed is

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not going to do anything. No, not a thing. With

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the uncertainty about the impact of tariffs and then the

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uncertainty of oil prices, and higher oil prices are always inflationary,

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but oil prices popped up, and now I'll ask we're

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treading on this Monday, they're back down again. Let's start

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this analysis by checking in with General Jack Keane.

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly the a Israelis are doing a remarkable job

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and taking down the leadership that's involved in these operations,

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decapitating them much as they did what has be law.

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And certainly they the air superiority they have is the

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way we would begin in operation, and so they can

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move around the country with no impediments whatsoever. But the

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real focus is we all know on two things. The

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ballistic missiles. I think they've the Iranians eight waves about

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three hundred and fifty missiles. We estimate they have somewhere

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around a couple thousand of those, some much better than others.

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problem that some of them would penetrate the air defense

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systems and casualties would result. The casualties are light, but

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still they're heavy than what the Israelis are used to receiving.

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Speaker 4: And that's a fact.

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Speaker 3: So their intensity about getting these ballistic missiles launchers, their infrastructure,

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there's storage sites, their supply chain, all of that is ongoing.

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But the center of gravity is the nuclear enterprise twelve

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sites capability spread out around them. You've emphasized the specific ones,

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thetons Eschfahan, and Fordaw four Dow is the center or gravity.

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Because here's what's really going on in the Ayatola's mind.

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I think he never came to the negotiating table to

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really give up his nuclear capability voluntarily. Why why didn't

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he want to dismantle it? Because he always believed that

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he can recover and rebuild it after an Israeli airstrike,

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and he's counting on the fact that Ford Dow will

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survive this. It is in the United States core national

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interest to help Israel destroy completely this nuclear enterprise and

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fordw sits out there as a potential target that Israeli

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of that certainly would be off the table. But the

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guarantee is to for the United States to use its

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penetration bombing to take that side out. And I believe

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once that's done, we start to see the end of

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this thing. Well, the United States core national interest that

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Iran does not have a nuclear capability and get to it.

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That's a fact. And this capability if we if we

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leave it there, the Ayatota will recover and rebuild. And

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that's what he's absolutely counting on. That's why he never

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was willing to give this man on the program himself

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with verification that would end his program here. He believes

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he has a chance. And that's what these guys are

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all about. And we've got to we've got to finish

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what we started here. We can't we can't look like

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we haven't come to the assistance of the Israelis when

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they needed it the most here to finish this operation.

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They are our strongest ally in the region. What do

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you think the Arabs would think after the President's visit

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there looking at this and they're saying, my, if the

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United States isn't it going to help the Israelis at

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this critical time, what's the chance they're going to help us?

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state the course in terms of what he's doing, and

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President she if we don't help the Israelis finish this off,

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it's their operation. We would lend a support to it.

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To finish it off. And that's what I'm suggesting, and

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I'm certain the President is making those considerations.

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Speaker 2: Then there's this Apparently the President was on the phone

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with Vladimir Putin and is asking or talking to him

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about Putin being the mediator between Israel and Iran. He said,

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I would be open to it. Putin is ready. He

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called me about it. We had a long talk about it.

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We talked about this more than his situation. This is

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something I believe he is going to get resolved. So

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the President wants Putin to get involved as the mediator

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between Israel and Iran. Really, here's Tom Cotton with his

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reaction to that.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think Vlatimir Putin, in the middle of

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his own or in Ukraine, is going to intervene to

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try to stop this conflict between Israel and Ron. I

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believe that it's been reported that Vadimir Putin told around

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Supreme Leader that he needed to sue for peace because

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if he didn't, his own government might fall. As happened

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last fall in Syria. Dana, Israel had weakened Hasbelah, which

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had propped up Bachel al Asad's regime in Syria. Syria

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had been a longtime client of Russia, and as rebels

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began to rampage across Syria targeting Assad's power, he asked

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for help for Putin. And what did Putin do? Nothing?

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He gave him a flight to Russia and the Assad

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tyranny finally fell. So once again we shouldn't be surprised

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see that Putin doesn't extend a hand to his friends

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at a time of need.

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Speaker 2: So Syria now says to Israel, hey, you want to

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use our airspace for more than happy to have you

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use it. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Until just last fall, it was run by a key

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Iranian and Russian client state. It was penetrated with Hesblo

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terror group that had the blood of Americans and Israelis

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on its hands. But because of Israel's brilliant campaign against

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not just Thomas, but has a blood because of it,

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strikes in retaliation for Iran's attacks on Israel's twice last year.

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It's a new day in the Middle East, and you

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have a Syria that is not just implacably opposed to Israel,

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but is standing by as Israel uses its airspace to

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pummel Iran's air defenses and its nuclear sites. That's again

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a tribute to Israel's strength going back for almost two

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years now since the October seventh attacks, and especially President

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Trump support for Israel since he returned to the White

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House this January.

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Speaker 2: What about the political part of this, About the fact

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that you've got Mega going two different directions depending upon

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some of the supporters supporting the president and some of

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them saying no. Pete set who is former George W.

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Administration official. This is what he had to say about

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the split.

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Speaker 6: Dissent within a political party is common and is sent

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on this particular topic is inevitable because you do have

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an element of the magabase, particularly the influencer class, which

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I would put Marjorie Taylor Green in that bucket, that

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believes we should be isolationists. They prefer isolationism over engagement.

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And to be very clear, isolationism versus intervention is a

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false choice. You can be engaged without being an interventionist.

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And a lot of these folks, maybe Marjorie Taylor Green

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is not part of this group, but the influencers and

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those they influence have not read intelligence briefings, they've not

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been in the situation room. They don't really grasp the

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burden of leadership and the responsibility that comes with it.

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Speaker 2: This brings us back to your pocket and mind and

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oil prices that did shoot up, they've come back down some.

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They're around seventy dollars as we're recording. It was seventy

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four on Friday. I had been in the load of

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mid sixties before all of this broke out. So what

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about the inflationary impact of this on your pocketbook? Are

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you going to be paying more at the pump? Roger Ferguson,

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former Vice Chair of the Federal Reserve, has this comment

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to make about it.

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Speaker 7: I think the FED is well positioned right now. I

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think they're not going to cut rates this meeting, next meeting.

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I'm not sure what's going to happening beyond that, and

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we'll wait and see. So right now, I think they're

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in a wait and see mode. They're hoping for further disinflation,

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but they know they've got to be vigilant, and so

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I think they're going to signal a lot of vigilance

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this meeting and will be very patient before they cut rates,

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probably disappointing a few people. You know you actually cannot

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cut And also you hear a lot of talk from

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Fed policy makers about inflation expectations, not just long term

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but short term maybe becoming a bit problematic. So I

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think they're very much on guard against signally anything that

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suggests that they're rushing to cut.

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Speaker 2: But what about oil prices? They, like I said, they

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were higher on Friday. We'll see how they turn out today.

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But here is Rebecca Babin, she is with CIBC season

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Oil analysts.

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Speaker 8: Well, so things did get a little bit worse. We

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actually saw both Israel and Iran both hit some energy infrastructure.

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The key here is they didn't hit oil infrastructure. And

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the second real key is they didn't hit any export

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facilities for crude oil. So you can hit internal domestic

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refineries in Iran, we will see a price reaction. But

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carg Island, which is their export facility where they export

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every barrel that comes out, is a wide open target

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for Israel and they haven't hit it.

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Speaker 3: Why.

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Speaker 6: I think there's two reasons.

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Speaker 8: First, if you want the US to come in and

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help you and maybe hit some of those deeper kind

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of nuclear.

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Speaker 4: Sites, as in President Donald Trump, yep, do not mess

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with this inflation.

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Speaker 8: His lightning rod and everyone knows it, and he's very

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about it. Is crude oil prices. So you do that

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and you ultimately put yourself in a position where you've

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hurt the person you want to help you. And on

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Iran's side, keep in mind, you know we're talking a

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lot about the straight of horr moves this morning. I've

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listened to all of your segments. Think about Iran here.

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If they go and kind of start targeting the straight

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of her moves, who do they hurt. They hurt China,

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their biggest customer. They hurt themselves because they can't get

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their barrels out. That's their only stream of revenue to

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fund this war. So in some ways, I think what

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you're seeing is the market telling you, I know there's

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a higher risk that this escalates and we have like

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this tail event, but right now, we don't think anyone's

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best interests in this conflict is higher oil prices.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the closing oil and stock market numbers

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and we'll get to the end of the podcast today.

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But hey, how about that parade.

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Speaker 9: I mean.

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Speaker 2: It was big, I was army, So I'm going congratulations

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to the US Army two hundred and fifty years old.

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I know people made a big deal about it. I

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get their arguments about the fact that that's what they

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do in Moscow and North Korea and stuff like that.

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But I thought it was nice to celebrate our army

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and so happy birthday US Army two hundred and fifty

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years old. And by the way, they were talking about,

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you know what, the no King protest around the country.

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When it comes to no king, I don't mean to

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bring up the fact that we have royalty in this country,

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political royalty. They've talked about the Kennedys being royalty for

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as long as I can remember. And over the weekend,

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while people were complaining about no king in the Hamptons,

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they had George Soros's son married. Have to look up

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her name of Huma Abdeen. Yeah, remember she was married

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to Congressman Wiener and that didn't work out because Congressman

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Wiener had a problem and so she divorced him and

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it's been a few years. So she found a rich

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guy to mary and this is it was all royalty.

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His name is Alex Soros, son of George and Juma

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Abdeen was the right hand aid to Hillary Clinton. So

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the Clintons were there the president by Bill Clinton, former

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Vice President Kamala Harris was there with mister Kamala Harris,

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Chuck Schumer, Haakim Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi, Nicki Hilton. I mean

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it was Anna wind Tower. So it was the money

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and the politic power that all showed up for the

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wedding of Alex Sorows and Huma Abadeen on Saturday in

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the Hampton. So who says we don't have kings, looks

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like we have royalty. I know that for sure. So

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we got that to mark off. And by the way,

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again they talked about the price. The prices were all

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over the map, so that means that nobody knows how

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much that parade costs, supposedly around forty five million dollars.

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But they also got corporate sponsors genius to pick up

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the tab I don't know if they picked up all

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of it. I don't know if they picked up half

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of it, but at least there was that to throw

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into the works as well. So I want to do

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I'll do the market numbers here, but then I also

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have There was a news conference today in Minneapolis by

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the federal prosecutors and the local officials that were in

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Minnesota about the shooting of the political people in Minnesota

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over the weaking, the killing of the woman and her

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husband who was a state official, and then the wounding

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of another couple. But apparently from this news conference, those

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weren't the only two places. He went to four homes,

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and luckily two of them they just weren't home at

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three o'clock in the morning. But the police work on

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this was incredible, how good the police were about being

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able to first of all, get the hunch to go

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over to this senator's home to see whether she was okay,

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and that's where they ran into the guy, the bad guy,

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and completely derailed his plans because he was on a

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mission to kill a lot of people, a lot of politicians.

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And I think i'll play the news conference for you

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at the end of this podcast, because it was like

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the script from a true crime movie, but sadly it

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was real, so we'll play that for you as well.

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But for market today, let me just get that in

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here now, because the market's turned out just fine now

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up three hundred and seventeen to forty two. THOY five

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point fifteen, SMP up fifty six, Nasdaq up two hundred

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and ninety four. Price of goldfell forty six dollars down

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to thirty four oh six and oil I told you earlier,

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we're kind of bouncing around on oil down a buck

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and a half down to seventy one dollars now for

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one barrel of oil. But here is it's about. I'm

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going to say about a half an hour maybe of

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the news conference from the authorities in Minneapolis earlier today,

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and it's just chilling to find out that this person

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did what they did and how great the police work

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was in order to stop them. So I'm going to

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leave it on this for you to finish the podcast

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for the day, if you're so inclined, and we'll try

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this again tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: In the early morning hours of June fourteenth, Belter went

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to the homes of four Minnesota state politicians with the

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intent to kill them. Belter first traveled to the home

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of Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman in Champlin, Minnesota. Belter

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arrived at the senator's home disguised as a police officer.

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He arrived in a black SUV with emergency lights turned

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on and with the license plate that read police. Belter

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wore a black tactical vest and body armor. He carried

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a flashlight and a Bretta nine milimeter handgun. He also

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wore a hyper realistic silicon mask. Senator Hoffman had a

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security camera. I've seen the footage from that camera and

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it is chilling. Belter knocked on Senator Hoffman's front door

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and repeatedly shouted, this is the police. Open the door.

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Senator Hoffman and his white Yvette came to the door.

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When they opened the door, Belter shined the flashlight in

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their faces and said there had been a shooting reported

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in the house. Belter asked if they had any weapons.

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When Delter lowered his flashlight, which he had shined in

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their face, they realized that he was not a police officer.

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They shout it out, You're not a cop, You're not

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a police officer. Belter then announced this is a robbery

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and forced himself into their home. When Senator Hoffman attempted

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to push Belter out and stop him from entering his home,

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Belter shot him repeatedly. Belter then shot miss Hoffman repeatedly.

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Belter fled the scene and the Hoffman's daughter called nine one. Unfortunately,

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the Hoffman survived, although they remained hospitalized. After shooting Senator

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Hoffman and his wife, Belter traveled to the home of

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another Minnesota state representative in Maple Grove, Minnesota. Video surveillance

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showed that Belter rang the doorbell at the state representative's

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house at approximately two twenty four am on Friday night. Again,

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he was dressed as a law enforcement officer, wearing a

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tactical vest and body armor, carrying a handgun and a flashlight,

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and wearing that same hyper realistic silicon mask. Again, the images,

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as you can see on the screen are haunting now. Fortunately,

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the state representative was not home. She and her family

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were gone on vacation, and so Belter left. Belter then

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traveled to the home of a Minnesota state senator who

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lived in New Hope, Minnesota. He parked in the street

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in that same black SUV with the police license plate

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at about two thirty six am on Friday night. After

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learning of the shooting of Senator Hoffman, New Hope police

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dispatched an officer to conduct a wellness check on the

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state senator who lived in New Hope. When the New

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Hope officer arrived at the scene, she saw Felter's black

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SUV parked down the block with the lights on. The

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New Hole police officer believed that Belter was a police

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officer who had been dispatched to the scene to check

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on the status of the state senator. The new Hole

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police officer pulled up next to Belter in his car,

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rolled down her window, and attempted to speak with him.

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Belter did not respond, according to the officer, he just

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sat there and stared straight ahead. So the new A

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police officer who had been dispatched to the scene, proceeded

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to the state senator's home and she waited for other

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law enforcement to arrive. When they did. By the time

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they did, Belter had left the scene. Belter then traveled

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to Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, and the home of Minnesota State

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Representative Melissa Hortman. At approximately three point thirty am, Belter

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arrived at Representative Hortman's house in his black SUV with

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the police license plates. He parked in the driveway and

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left the emergency lights on his SUV flashing as if

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he was a police officer. Belter approached Representative Hortman's home

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again dressed as a police officer, wearing the tactical vest

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and body armor and wearing that hyper realistic mask. He

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was armed and carrying a flashlight before he entered the home.

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Two Brooklyn Park Police officers arrived at the scene. They

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too had been dispatched to check on Senator and Representative

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Hortman after learning of the shooting of Senator Hoffman. When

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they arrived at the scene, they saw Belter's black SUV

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parked in the driveway with the emergency lights flashing, and

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they saw Belter standing in front of the house, several

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feet from the door. When Belter saw the officers get

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out of the car, he drew his weapon and began firing.

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He rushed into the house through the front door, firing

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into it. He repeatedly fired into the house, and when

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he entered, he murdered Representative Hortman and her husband Mark.

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The Brooklyn Park Police officers fired at belt Belter as

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he rushed into the home, but he escaped into the

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home and out the back. Officers recovered Belter's nine milimeter Bretta,

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along with the body armour in the mask find the

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home along his path of flight when he fled on foot.

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They later searched Belter's car, where they found five more firearms,

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including Astault stile rifles, and a large quantity of ammunition.

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Belter also had in his car, notebooks containing a list

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of more than forty five Minnesota state and federal elected officials,

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including Representative Coortman. Now, Belter planned his attack carefully. He

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researched his victims and their families. He used the Internet

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and other tools to find their addresses and names the

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names of the family members. He conducted surveillance of their

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homes and took notes about the location of their homes.

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He also prepared another way. He concealed himself as a

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police officer, outfitting his black SUV with police lights and

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a police license plate, wearing a black tactical vest and

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body armor, carrying a police flashlight and a handgun. And

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of course, he wore that hyper realistic silicone mask as

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seen on in surveillance videos. The video of his arrival

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and shooting Senator Hoffman is truly chilling. Again, it's no

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exaggeration to say this is the stuff of nightmares. There's

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a photo of the firearms found in Belter's abandoned suv.

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Based on these crimes, we brought a federal complaint charging

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Beltner with an array of federal charges. Counts one, one,

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and two charge him with stalking. Count one charges him

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with Stocking Representative Melissa Hortman using interstate facilities, and that's

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Title eighteen United States go twenty two to sixty one.

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The statutory penalties there are life in prison. Count two

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similarly contain is charge saysm with Stocking State Senator John

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Hoffman using interstate facilities. The statutory the maximum penalty of

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that count is twenty years in prison. Counts three and

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four charge Belter with the murder of Melissa and of

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the Hortman's using a firearm but violation of eighteen USC.

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Nine to twenty four j count and these are punishable

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by a term of life imprisonment or even death. And

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Counts five and six charge him with shooting the Hertman

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and the Hoffman's using a firearm, and both of those

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towns also carry a maximum sentence of life in prison. Now,

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before I finish my remarks, I want to say a

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little bit about law enforcement and the manhunt that we've

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heard about the last two days. Over the fast forty

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eight hours, federal, state, and local law enforcement from throughout

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the state of Minnesota have worked together together to carry

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out the largest manhunt in Minnesota history. Now, a lot

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has been said about law enforcement in recent weeks. But

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make no mistake, the men and women of our federal, state,

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and local law enforcement put their lives at risk and

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on the live on the line to keep Minnesota safe.

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They work tirelessly day and night to make sure that

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the tragic events of Friday night end it without further

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violence or bloodshed. We owe them all a debt of gratitude,

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and they will forever have my respect in admiration. Over

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to Special Agent Alvin Wisson from the FBI.

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Speaker 10: Thanks, Thanks Joe, good morning. My name is Alvin Winston,

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and I serve as the Special Agent in charge of

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the FBI Minneapolis Field Office, which covers the states of Minnesota,

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North Dakota, and South Dakota. I want to begin by

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extending my deepened condolences to the families of the victims

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and to the community that has been shaken by this

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devastating act of violence. Our thoughts remain with those who

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are grieving and all who have been impacted by this

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tragedy over the weekend. The people of Minnesota and the

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nation have been watching closely as this case has unfolded.

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The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension provided a detail update yesterday,

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so I won't repeat those specifics. This was a targeted

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attack against individuals who answered the call to public service.

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The FBI's role in moments like this is clear to

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stand alongside our partners, bring federal resources, intelligence capabilities, and

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reach to the effort not just to apprehend the individual responsible,

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but to understand the full scope of the threat. That

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work continues. This case became the largest coordinated manhunt in

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Minnesota's history.

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Speaker 6: We are proud to.

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Speaker 10: Stand shoulder to shoulder with our law enforcement partners across

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the state. No single agency could have done this alone.

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And because of that unified effort, a dangerous and the

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visual was taken into custody. Let me say this clearly,

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political violence has no place in this country. The FBI,

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alongside our partners, will remain focused on the work ahead

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and on ensuring justice is served. And with that, I

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hand it over.

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Speaker 6: Did you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you with those comments? And we're thankful today to

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see these charges filed. Early on, with our partners from

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the Federal Bureau Investigation and other federal partners from the ATF,

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United States Marcial Service, and others, they provided assistance to

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the team of local investigators of the Brooklyn Park Police Department,

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Henry County Sheriff's Office, and the BCA that we're working

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on this right to begin with, along with all the

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other hundreds of people that stepped up with the Champlain

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Police Department as well, in to pursue this justice. You

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might be asking, because we see a lot of times

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these cases go in various orders when they are but

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this is an indication that the United States Attorney's Office

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stands along with us in the state of Minnesota that

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when somebody and an evil individual decides to move this

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and create fear in our communities and commit evil acts,

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that we will pursue every possible charge that we can,

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from the state charges that you've learned about today to

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these federal charges that were discussed early on. And I'm

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grateful for the leadership of the United States Attorney's Office

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and the FBI for helping us move that forward so

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quickly in a coordinate approach. We do that because, as

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sa See Winston said, in situations like this, we have

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individuals that step up to serve their communities. They are

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elected officials across our state, and when an individual chooses

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to target them for their role in representing all of us,

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it's an incumbent upon all of us to put all

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the resources forward to hold that individual accountable, to seek justice,

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and to make sure that we are working together to

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show the community across Minnesota and the United States that

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political violence is never okay. We as a country are

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formed on the basis that we have political discourse and

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that we have a debate ongoing on what we do,

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and that we elect people day and day out to

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represent us. And when somebody tries to undermine that, it's

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important for all of us to hold that person accountable

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so that we can move forward as a country and

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have a system in place that are representative government and

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that we provide the protections for those individuals and their

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families moving forward. And so I'm thankful for these charges

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today to move this forward and the great work of

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the United States Attorney's Office partnering with us to move

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forward on this. And with that, they'll take some questions.

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Speaker 9: Why is it NOTT of terrorism charges? The question, you know,

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we brought the charges that we think are appropriate right now. Obviously,

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these crimes are about forty eight hours old, so even

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ongoing investigation, and I can't comment as to what other

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charges may or may.

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Speaker 5: Not be brought.

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Speaker 9: Will you seek the death tellerty Lou, thank you for

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the question. Will we see the death penalty is too

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early to tell. That is one of the options for

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several other charges, though.

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Speaker 11: Jane, mister belt Weer have gideous systems are even looking

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into whether he may have FOT assistance and if he did,

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what are the potential consequences for anybody who may have

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assisted him, either before or after he's stracted truded.

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Speaker 9: Our investigation remains ongoing in several areas, including whether or

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not he had anyone helping him, assisting him and either

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carrying out these attacks or fleeing from them. I can't

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comment to that at this time. There's nothing in the

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complaint suggesting that someone did, but the investigation is ongoing.

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In fact, it's just an ex infancy spent forty eight hours,

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most of which we are primarily focused on finding him.

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Speaker 11: In Minneapolis shortly after these grants acre. Do we know

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how he got from to Minneapolis?

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Speaker 1: Was it on?

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Speaker 9: But I don't know the answer to that.

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Speaker 11: We want feels clerity about the state charges concurnt with

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the federal charges.

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Speaker 4: How does that all work?

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Speaker 11: Does this? No, you don't know the state charges or

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take presidents.

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Speaker 9: It does not nullify the state charges. They remain in place.

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Today he was brought into federal custody. He'll make his

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initial appoint initial court appearance and federal court over in

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Saint Paul at one thirtie Central time this afternoon, and

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my expectation, based on prior cases, is the federal case

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the federal charges will be litigated first, but the state

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charges won't necessarily go anywhere.

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Speaker 11: Did he talk me some why investigators belief he carried

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out the stud and for how long he may have

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been planning his death.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's pretty clear from the evidence that he's been

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planning these attasked for quite some time. There's voluminous writings,

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as you've seen in the reporting, that were found both

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in his car and his house about his planning, lists

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of names and individuals. In terms of the why, it's unclear.

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Speaker 12: International with the New Hole police, what had law enforcement

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been told at that point?

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Speaker 11: Were they aware to be on the lookout for a

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dark SCV? They've resembled the police baker.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, I can turn that. I don't know

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if one of my colleagues here, no, I know that

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they had heard about the shooting of Senator Hoffman, and

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being the diligent law enforcement, they were knowing that they

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had elected officials living in their community as they went

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out to do a wellness check.

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Speaker 4: I don't know more than that, what I what I

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can say and as you can, I don't know the

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specifics of the question and what on that whether it is.

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What I will tell you is that Hennefet County law

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enforcement working together at that time, knew of that, and

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so as the different jurisdictions around duty, some of them

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did proactive you know, as we've heard you've heard from

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Chief Barly on this and mable Grow for example, or

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in Brooklyn Park I'm sorry, for example, they went out

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proactively to check on the status and the well being

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and that's how we encountered this and prevented additional attacks

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which we believed certainly could have occurred from occurring. So

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we don't know the specifics on the New Hope as

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to what they were doing, but they were tracking the

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shooting that happened, and so several of them were being

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proactive and checking on various people that they knew resided

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in their city.

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Speaker 13: As the officers in Brooklyn or the Brooklyn partnower series

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of his fund he shoot at them or was he shooting.

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Speaker 11: Into the house and they kind of chased them into

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the house.

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Speaker 9: My understanding is it's unclear at the moment whether or

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not he shot at them. It's possible that he did,

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it's not clear. Obviously it was a chaotic sand.

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Speaker 11: Was it wearing the mask when the new Gulpe officer interactively?

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Speaker 9: I believe he was, although I can't say for certain the.

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Speaker 13: Reason I believed that there was plans to get ad

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additional violins at say the first best step was going

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on on that day.

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Speaker 9: I've not seen evidence of that. It's hard to say

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what his plan was. Obviously, he went to the homes

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of no less than four elected officials. He had a

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list of other elected officials their home addresses.

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Speaker 7: So to make sure that we connect the dots properly,

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could you name the other two officially?

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Speaker 9: You know, we can't at this time. I wouldn't surprise

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me if they publicly identify themselves, but it's not really

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my place to do that if they want to protect

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their own privacy.

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Speaker 11: What's your message to Minnesultans who may yet a length

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they knocked on the door front? Police is something's going

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on in their communities.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm going a lot law enforcement handle that one.

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I don't know if someone shirt police.

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Speaker 14: Good morning police chief Mark really booking for police department?

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Speaker 4: Great question.

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Speaker 14: Like we send all the message our community when this

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first occurred is you always can call nine on one

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and verify if the person at your door is a

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police officer. If they are a working police officer, they

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will be connected to a dispatch center that can validate that.

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So the first thing I would do is, if you're

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concerned about it, is called nine to one one. Obviously

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there's a lot of different uniforms and it's never wrong

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to do that.

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Speaker 11: Can you clarify the shootings stuff? Because we were told

718
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I believe that the person in custody did shoot at

719
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,199
police work from residents.

720
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 4: That's important to Yeah, so I'll answer this again. That's

721
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,400
part of the act investigation. And I know there's been

722
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,199
a lot that's going on, But as anytime law enforcement

723
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,960
uses deadly force, there's a walled off, separate investigation to

724
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:11,599
examine that. At that time, I will tell you we

725
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,079
still work through we are gathering evidence when we go

726
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,239
through this happened incredibly fast. What I can tell you

727
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,320
is the police officers that were there unseen that while

728
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,239
they were assessing the situation that the gunfire erupted, and

729
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,079
we are still working through and reconstructing that crime scene.

730
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,840
We've gathered all of the evidence related to that, and

731
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,800
what was said there is that this is definitely happening

732
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,840
very quickly, and we definitely know that he began shooting

733
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,719
at the hortman's as will be detailed in this information,

734
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:44,320
immediately once the officers were assessing the situation, whether or

735
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,159
not that the gunfire was returned at the officer or not.

736
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,400
We are working through that and we need to recreate

737
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,840
the crime scene itself, and I should say, I want

738
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,559
to say in that process the gunfire was erupting in

739
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,440
such a way all around that that is part why

740
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:03,639
with the reasonable interpretation on some of those is where

741
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,920
that came from initially was.

742
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 11: Central motive here.

743
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,679
Speaker 15: It is widely who afforded that the list this hit

744
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,000
list names of people who are abortion wise supporters.

745
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,119
Speaker 11: And also can you please release the names of a

746
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,760
two other targeted victims who were.

747
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 9: As I said, with respect to the other two potential victims,

748
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,360
I think it's up to them whether they want to

749
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,199
publicly identify themselves. As I said, it wouldn't surprise me

750
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,920
if they do. They're elected officials, but that's their right. Obviously,

751
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,559
they didn't have families and children and privacy interests that

752
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,440
they needed to sort through, so I'll let them do that.

753
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,559
With respect to the potential motive, let me say this,

754
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,920
there's been a lot of press coverage and speculation and

755
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,559
discussion about manifesto. I've seen nothing like a Unibomber style

756
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,880
of manifesto. In his writings. He had many, many notebooks

757
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,960
full of plans, lists of names, surveillance efforts that he

758
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,559
took to surveil and locate the home addresses and family

759
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:05,239
members relationships with these elected officials. But I have not

760
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,840
seen anything involving some sort of political screed or manifesto

761
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,000
that would clearly identify what motivated him. Obviously, his primary

762
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,159
motive was to go out and murder people. Now they

763
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:21,599
were all elected officials, they were all Democrats. Beyond that,

764
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,239
I think it's just way too speculative for anyone that's

765
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,840
reviewed these materials to know and to say what was

766
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,719
motivating him in terms of ideology or specific issues.

767
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: There's a lot of.

768
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 9: There were some abortion rights supporters I believe on the list,

769
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,719
but again there was dozens and dozens and dozens of

770
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,400
names on you know, hundreds of pages of documents that

771
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,119
were recovered with his writings on them.

772
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,039
Speaker 11: He confess and give more details after his appreheaded lest sight.

773
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 9: I'm not going to comment on that at this time.

774
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,039
Speaker 11: Can you talk about how long this freak planning and

775
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:56,119
surveillance went on.

776
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 9: Do you have any idea here's what I got on

777
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,519
for an extensive period of time. I think it's unclear.

778
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,599
The writings appear to have been done at various times

779
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,000
over the course of at least months, I would say,

780
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,559
But beyond that, it's speculative.

781
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: Does he did he have truth? That's got two questions

782
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,840
that go for the same thing.

783
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 11: He appeared to be involved with some kind of a

784
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,559
home security or a professional security operation.

785
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:21,679
Speaker 9: I wonder if you have.

786
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 11: Any details into that, and was he familiar to law

787
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,079
enforcement even though it didn't.

788
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: Appear to have any kind of serious criminal records.

789
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,679
Speaker 9: I've seen the press reporting on his security company. I

790
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:32,920
don't know anything beyond that or any involvement that would

791
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,079
happen in this case, and I had no knowledge of

792
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,760
his interactions with law enforcement prior to this.

793
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 11: Can you commented all about you know, in this car,

794
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,599
the light pack, the license plate, maybe a bit of

795
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,639
a batch snip. Was he obsessed with police?

796
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 9: I have no idea that I think I skipped over

797
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,559
the Clyde. The police license plate wasn't an official looking

798
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,440
police license plate as you can tell it said, I

799
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,280
believe it was like a reflective black things that you

800
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,960
would buy to put on like a mailbox, like your

801
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000
address on a mailbox.

802
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,599
Speaker 11: See, you've been obsessed with I have no idea.

803
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 16: That his wife was quote detained at a stop brushop

804
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:17,519
in Anania, Uh, and that Andrew clar was found weapons, passports,

805
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:18,519
and a lot of cash.

806
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 11: He was also with three children. Is that true? And

807
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,679
is the wife?

808
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: I'll defer to law enforcement on that one. Yeah, I

809
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,760
can answer the question. So when you know the question

810
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,280
was detained. Obviously, when an individual commits these, you know,

811
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,280
hainus accent. We knew he was the suspect in this case.

812
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,760
We're going to want to talk to the family. You know,

813
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,880
at this point in time, this is you know, under

814
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,519
active prosecution, and so we want to be careful about

815
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,519
what we say. She was cooperative with us at that time.

816
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,639
There were firearm in the vehicle at the time, at

817
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,519
valid reasons for her she was legally in possession, I

818
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:58,800
should say that at this time, and there were other

819
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,760
items that were recovered, but we're going to leave that

820
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,719
to some of the prosecution as we work this out,

821
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,599
so we're not going to comment on all of it.

822
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,159
As this is still continue to be part of the

823
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,599
active investigation. We need to figure out exactly what all

824
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:10,559
this means in relation to this to.

825
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,519
Speaker 11: Be clear of there's not going to be a prosecure

826
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:15,760
as a district court then today.

827
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 9: And there'll be an initial appearance in federal court over

828
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,199
in Saint Paul, Minnesota at one thirty Central time this afternoon.

829
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,320
I do not anticipate there will be an a parents

830
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,960
in state court today.

831
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,519
Speaker 13: Just one more question on the hit Listen, you said

832
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:35,320
forty five names and we see more than that.

833
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 9: There's lots of I mean, go yeah, and I think

834
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:37,719
I can help.

835
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,679
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of names that we're working

836
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,239
together right now, so the FBI, there are some and

837
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,119
we've mentioned this that there are some other names that

838
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,320
are from out of state. They have been working through

839
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,480
the Minister, through our Fusion Center network across the United States,

840
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,480
and then our partners at the FBI are helping coordinate

841
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,880
with that in that process. The question is a good one.

842
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,559
Part of what we're looking through. The names, the numbers

843
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,679
that you're referencing, they are was names in multiple notebooks.

844
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,599
Some of them are redundant. So I don't have a

845
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,320
total number of people that were in there because some

846
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,599
of them are overlapping on multiple lists. And again I

847
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,440
do want to continue to clarify this is not a

848
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,960
list of people that was in a numerical order and

849
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
some sort of ranking. These are names that are being

850
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,199
developed as we are looking at this across multiple writings

851
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,960
in terms of that, just to be clear about sit off.

852
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 9: Of the name even in there, though I believe it was.

853
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 4: Where is it.

854
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 9: Right now? I think he's in the custodies of the

855
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,559
United States Marshall Service over at the Saint Paul Federal Courthouse.

856
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,119
Beyond that, I'll defer to the marshals on where he'll

857
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:46,039
be held. Assuming he's held in custody pending trial. It'll

858
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,519
be an initial appearance because he's only charged by complaint.

859
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,199
He has not yet been indicted, so he'll have an

860
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:54,519
initial appearance as all defendants do before a federal judge,

861
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,480
where he'll be asked to identify himself, the court will

862
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,239
appoint in a lawyer to represent him, or he can

863
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,840
retain when I have a lawyer represent him, and then

864
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,239
the court will ask whether or not we will move

865
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,199
to seek his detention pending trial, which we obviously will,

866
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,760
and then the court could set a detention hearing and

867
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,639
a preliminary hearing to assess whether or not this probable

868
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,079
cost to charge him by complaint. How much of that

869
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,519
will happen actually today is unclear. We'll see at one

870
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:20,960
point thirty is that.

871
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,039
Speaker 11: The warranty for federal building on the old court.

872
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 13: Of your incident correct for superintendent happens yesterday the way

873
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,599
that things played out yesterday when you came up for

874
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,159
the five thirty or so fres poverds, did you adjall

875
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:35,639
that he was close to being caught at that point

876
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,639
or did it come as a surprise when you got

877
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,320
the trailcam information.

878
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,559
Speaker 4: So that you know, we as noted we still had

879
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,159
belief that he's a silly county when we held that,

880
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,440
we did not know the information specifically that it was

881
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,199
there based on the overall investigative. That was still our

882
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:56,639
belief there, but the specific information that led to his

883
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,360
arrest at that time, we were not tracking yet. I mean,

884
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,480
and I assume that's related to the timeline. These teams

885
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,880
and the law enforcement teams acted very quickly when they

886
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,800
had us specifically that led us to know he was

887
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,679
in that area, and so it was a relatively short

888
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,519
period of time where they converge and were able to

889
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:14,800
do that.

890
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 11: What we knew before this day's confidence bad enough, you

891
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,719
have told us is even worse.

892
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 15: Where does this rank in terms of the tacks that

893
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,159
you know of across the United States? And you address

894
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,320
some of your reaction, but can you all three give

895
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,360
us your react.

896
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,679
Speaker 9: Look, I mean, this was a political assassination, which is

897
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,559
not a word we use very often in the United States,

898
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:41,800
let alone here in Minnesota. It's a chilling attack on

899
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,079
our democracy, on our way of life. It's only the

900
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,559
most recent example of violent political extremism in this country,

901
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,000
and that's a trend that's been increasing over the in

902
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,880
recent years. And that's unfortunate. And I hope it a

903
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,480
wake up call to everyone that people can I disagree

904
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,440
with you without being evil or needing to be killed

905
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:04,920
or hurt.

906
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,559
Speaker 12: Perspects of this investigation worked on involved with the printing

907
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:13,079
out books.

908
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:14,679
Speaker 11: How many were discovered?

909
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 9: Some My understanding is some notebooks were recovered from his

910
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,800
vehicle and others from his house. Although obviously there was

911
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,000
a lot of the law enforcement literally from all around

912
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,760
the state. I couldn't begin to identify all of them.

913
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,840
Representatives of many of those or some of those agencies

914
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,480
are here, but far more were involved. And so all

915
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:36,280
I can say there was many notebooks recovered from multiple locations.

916
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,880
And part of it.

917
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 11: Makes sense about him going back home, like what was

918
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,800
he thinking? Did he say he was trying to get

919
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,159
back to his house. I mean, it's odd.

920
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 4: I guess you could say.

921
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 9: I can't speculate as to what was in his mind.

922
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,840
He obviously went on a murderous rampage on Friday, So

923
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,920
I think I'm not aligned with this thought process.

924
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,039
Speaker 11: Mister Winston. Can you talk about if they're any short

925
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:01,280
of potential being paid to what kind of safety is

926
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,920
be given to politicians at this time?

927
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:04,119
Speaker 4: Or is this a spacebook?

928
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 11: People feel like any threat that's fun.

929
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 10: Okay, So what we're gonna do is we're gonna, of

930
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,159
course take these threats as serious as possible and throw

931
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,880
all available resources towards these threats. We are in lockstep

932
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,880
with the Capitol Police on a regular basis and we're

933
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,039
continuing to have those conversations about threats towards politicians.

934
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: Thank you for that question.

935
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 9: Maybe one more question here before we wrap up.

936
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 17: Chief Fully, just wanted to wrap it back to hoping

937
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,280
you can spink to just how give it all it

938
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,079
is that your officers acted proactively, stopping by Wortman's house

939
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,480
and likely stopping more victims.

940
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,159
Speaker 14: Yeah, great question. Just for everybody in the room, the

941
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,760
question is all important. Was it that the police officers

942
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,639
stopped at Representative Hartman's house, Rachel, which really foil this

943
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,320
entire plan. It's incredibly important that started with a sergeant

944
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,679
who was actually off duty, was walking out of the

945
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,079
building and had heard that there was a shooting in

946
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:09,519
another community at center Hoffman's house being alert seeing two

947
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,079
officers and the police, Perman said, hey, drive by Melissa

948
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,159
Hartman's house and just check on the house with JA,

949
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,199
And that's essentially what. They pulled up and found that

950
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:22,239
in the drive was the car and essentially the criminal

951
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:26,119
act was occurring. As they pulled up, had they not

952
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,800
foiled the plan. You know, he essentially took his vehicle

953
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,280
away from him, which evolved all his maps, all his names,

954
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,440
all his weaponry. I would be very scared what it

955
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,280
would look like over the next few hours that had

956
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,880
we not done that.

957
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Speaker 11: The New Hope and Maple Grove incidents are just the

958
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one in Champlain.

959
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Speaker 14: He only knew about the one that occurred in Champlain.

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Speaker 12: So the officer, the other officer came upon me at

961
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the second Palace and Staggins in your vehicle. Did she realize,

962
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like didn't she report them? And when they started chased,

963
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did she realized that was suspectful?

964
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Speaker 9: I don't think she did. She knew something was awry.

965
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And then he left and proceeded to Brooklyn Park and

966
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carried out the next shooting. So it got lost in

967
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the chaos of the event, on lost in the cast

968
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of events, But there was a new shooting shortly thereafter.

969
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It really is remarkable to the question earlier how he

970
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went to four houses at night, and in three of

971
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them or two of them, he encountered law enforcement, and

972
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the third and fourth one and the second one no

973
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one was home at all. It's remarkable how diligent law

974
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enforcement was at two thirty three o'clock and three thirty

975
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,719
in the morning on a Friday night that they were

976
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,639
responding to just do wellness checks on our politicians. It's

977
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a testament. The last forty eight hours have been an

978
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incredible testament to the professionalism and dedication and commitment of

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our federal, state, local law enforcement. Thank you all.

980
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Speaker 2: And then here are some comments from John mill reformer

981
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YPD after hearing the news conference from the feed officials

982
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in the state officials in Minneapolis.

983
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,239
Speaker 18: Well, reading between the lines what we're seeing as a pattern.

984
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I mean, if you look at the statements of the

985
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individual from the Boulder, Colorado attack, from just a couple

986
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of weeks ago, molotov cocktails against marchers for hostages. He

987
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said he was planning that for a year. If you

988
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look just before that, the Jewish Museum attack, you have

989
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an individual who is planning that in extraordinary detail before

990
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he struck. And then you look at this attack, all

991
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different agendas, all separate motivations, but another individual who has

992
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been stalking, collecting, surveilling, mapping, supplying, arming and thinking about this.

993
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So this goes back to what we learned from the

994
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FBI profilers in behavioral science, we tend to say, because

995
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these things burst out suddenly, this individual snapped and this

996
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,000
attack followed. These people don't snap. This is a slow boil,

997
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and we're seeing the result of it, but we're also

998
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:11,920
seeing it with greater frequency. But we learned so much

999
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,239
in the last few minutes about the details that had

1000
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,320
been sidelined because job one was finding him and that's

1001
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,920
what the focus was. But when he came to Senator

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01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,719
Hofman's house, showing up in his fake police uniform with

1003
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his fake police car, he said, open up, this is

1004
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:30,320
the police. We have a report of a shooting at

1005
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,039
your house. Now we're in a hall of mirrors. What

1006
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,079
he is using as his ruse is that there's some

1007
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:41,239
kind of swatting call, which politicians have become accustomed to

1008
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:44,599
late night visits from the police. Then when they say

1009
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,800
you're not a cop, noticing that he may be wearing

1010
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,800
this latex mask, his badge doesn't look right, he says

1011
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,400
this is a robbery and forces his way into the house.

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01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:57,360
What we then learned, of course, is that he went

1013
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,800
on to another location and then another location of other

1014
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,239
elected officials, where he didn't make contact before getting to

1015
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:09,519
the speaker's house where he engaged in that murders rampage.

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01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:14,320
So this would have been a night of terror. And frankly,

1017
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,159
as was pointed out, had that off duty sergeant not said, hey,

1018
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,880
while we have this shooting going on a couple of

1019
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,000
towns away, let's start to hit these locations and check

1020
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:27,760
on our elected officials, and would really need a little

1021
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,000
more detail on that because, as you point out, that

1022
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,679
could have been a life and death decision, which is

1023
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:41,000
did the vehicle look like a neighborhood patrol, a security patrol.

1024
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:44,480
Did he say something or did he say nothing? But

1025
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,400
you know the instinct to go check on that house.

1026
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,880
But yeah, I mean there are a couple of things.

1027
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,119
When they go back over this with a fine tooth comb,

1028
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:54,320
there will be some brilliant moments and there may be

1029
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,079
some that require a much deeper look about decisions made

1030
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:02,039
in the field. To be clear, manifesto was introduced into

1031
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:05,320
this conversation early on by law enforcement, but I think

1032
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:07,679
not in a public way. I think that was in

1033
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:09,760
their kind of speed reading of We've got a very

1034
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complicated notebook with a lot of opinions and thoughts of

1035
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,920
it that may give us a window into opportunity. But

1036
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we also have this extensive list of names, so seventy

1037
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:23,360
names to start off with, fifteen more found during a

1038
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,599
search warrant yesterday Saturday at a residence where he often stayed,

1039
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:32,880
and then the statements today that the notebooks are rife

1040
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with different names addresses, So these seem to be his

1041
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:41,320
research materials, basically what we would have called in law

1042
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,000
enforcement his targeting package, where he's gathering intelligence, putting together

1043
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:51,880
locations with that intelligence and details, and then separate thoughts

1044
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,760
about his thinking on a number of issues which they

1045
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:00,480
didn't really get into today. So our best loose into

1046
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,960
his targeting and his motive were his choice of targets