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Speaker 1: What is up, fella, Siko's I am Dan for Valley,

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coming at you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister

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Grant Hughes Hardwood.

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Speaker 2: Knox is on to.

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Speaker 1: The New York Knicks trade deadline primer. This is the

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moment none of us have been waiting for. But before

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we get but before we get started. One, I'm kind

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of referring to us collectively in the third person when

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I keep trying to make sure I name the podcast

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within the first few seconds of the intro. It feels

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very off, and I don't like doing it. But two, Grant,

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how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Hmmm? I'm excited just to try to measure your level

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of dejection as we progress through this next discussion, and

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also excited to be the first to let you know

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that the Brooklyn Nets have given the Knicks seven first

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round picks for Michel Bridges and matching salary. And I'm

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just curious how that makes you feel.

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Speaker 1: I just the fact that they didn't push for eight

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first round picks is disgusting. I don't pretty good, yeah,

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but I mean between between mccal Michael Porter Junior though,

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the Nets might be going places, So that's a really big,

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big time acquisition for them. Yeah, I will take us

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through the New York Knicks trade deadline vitals, which are

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not going to take very long. Nope, they are within

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one hundred and fifty thousand dollars at the second apron,

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which they cannot cross. Notable for anything they do is

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that they are sixteen point three million dollars below the

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second apron next year. That does not include resigning Mitchell Robinson,

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it does include Yabuseli picking up his player option should

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he still be around, and it does not include what

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it would cost to sign whoever they draft with their

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first round pick. They cannot trade an outright first rounder

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right now if they wait until the summer. Well, it's

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not even waiting. They can open up two in the summer,

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the pick this year twenty six, and then their twenty

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thirty three pick. They have swaps available though right now

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now in this year, in twenty six, two thousand and thirty,

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and two thousand and thirty two. Grant, what is the

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first thing you want to talk about when it comes

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to New York Nickerbockers. Oh wait, it's Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 2: Actually I wanted before we get to him that has

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to be the first time a twenty thirty three first

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round or has been mentioned on the pod, just just

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for to get that noted for posterity. We're living in this.

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We definitely twenty thirty three is a year. We said that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we're not even sure if we're all

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gonna collectively make it just a long time. But two,

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we just mentioned it and you said it yourself. We

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mentioned the twenty thirty three first round pick with the Lakers,

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who we jumped up about it.

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Speaker 2: I refuse, No, I don't think we ever. I don't

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think that's right. I refuse. The people are going to

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go back and be like, man, Grant's memory is really

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getting worse. I mean we reference they had three first.

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I don't remember specifically saying twenty thirty three. I think

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the best explanation I can give, which is still bad,

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is maybe you said it and I wasn't listening, because

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I don't feel like I said twenty.

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Speaker 1: Thirty three that would track. You know, you don't need

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to listen to anything. I say, who are you again?

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Speaker 2: What are why? What are we doing right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about the Pelicans here. Why don't you

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I've brought up the Pelicans entirely, way too many times.

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Speaker 2: You got dark ones on the brain.

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Speaker 1: So do you think the Nick should trade Karl Anthony Towns?

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Do you think Carl Towns is their biggest problem? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Is he their biggest problem? I mean yes, I yes,

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I do think that they should trade him, and I've

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I think that in the wake of seeing a lot

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of people I respect make the argument that he's had

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an all star season. Like you know, we're midway through

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and there's a lot of all Star teams being put

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out there. I don't want to name drop. I don't

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want I don't want to put that me. No, did you.

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Speaker 1: See a depake of me?

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Speaker 2: I could it was someone was trying to sell me

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walking tai Chi. And then that same someone also said

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it may have been AI said, uh to Anthony Towns?

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Speaker 1: Is that is that the new way to get like

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to not have to hold ourselves to any accountability whatsoever

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moving forward? Is that was an AI clip you saw

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off me betting the Memphis Grizzlies over this season or

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something like that?

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Speaker 2: How? How how was that Ai so convincing in twenty

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twenty two? Really, I'm pretty sure you said that no, uh, well,

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so to me, I'm going to reach into my one

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of my favorite little like pockets of analysis and say,

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I think Kat presents a lot of the same problems

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that one Demontes Sibonus presents, which is to say, is

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very difficult to build a like a weakness free roster

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if he is a sitting significant part of your team

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because of the defensive issues, mainly like the spacing stuff.

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it's been a point in contention of like, well, Kat

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is one of the best big man shooters ever, but

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like why isn't he shooting more? Why isn't that mattering more?

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not going to Yeah, that's a little different conversation this season.

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role he has to play and the compromises that come

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with it, it's just it's not a good value. So

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player to me because of what he costs him, because

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of the weaknesses that are just priced in. Do you

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so that's different than saying should you trade him? Because

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if someone's a negative value sometimes that means like, well,

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you can't. But is that an oversimplification? Do you do

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you agree or disagree with that? Like basic stance?

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Speaker 1: No, And I think we've seen some pushback as to

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is he the biggest problem defensively for them because of

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the rebounding some of the rim protection numbers this season.

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The answer is yes, he is the biggest defensive problem

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because the length to which the Knicks go to insulate him,

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which is when you look at the share of minutes

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specifically coming alongside Ogan and Obi, it's just different than

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it is for Jaalen brunts And also with Jalen Brunson

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tries harder, more consistently, and you could be Jalen Brunson

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could be an All NBA type of defender at his

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position and it just doesn't matter as much as it

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does if your center is not good on defense. So

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I think the two points there are just you could

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say Kat and Jalen Brunson are equally bad or equal

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liabilities on the defensive end. That makes building out the

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Knicks roster way harder, but it is way more inconvenient,

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way more challenging to prop up a good defense if

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you're weaker on the back line at the center position

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than if you are at the point of attack. And

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also Jalen Brunson is not always like you call Jalen

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Brunson point of attack, but it's like you can move

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you can't move smaller players into Kat's role, like you

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can do different things with there's more optionality there. And

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I think, look, none of this is new though, and

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there should have been. The Knicks especially should have clocked

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at this when Minnesota decided that they needed to trade

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for a generational defensive Player of the Year candidate like

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to play alongside Karlnthy Towns, and then the Knicks just

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thought that they could slide him in to the five

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and it would be basketball and Nirvana. And they've discovered too,

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like they've tried the Mitchell Robinson thing with he in

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Towns or the game against the Blazers within the past

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couple of weeks. Not only the Town's not closed like

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Mitchell Robinson was in front of him, the Knicks at

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one point played two minutes without a big instead of

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having Karl Anthony Towns on the floor. None of this

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is new I'm I am with you though that how

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do you go about trading a negative value asset? Because

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it's the teams that were linked to him. I don't

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understand the interest quite frankly, from many of them, maybe Orlando,

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if they want a shorter term contract and they desperately

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still need an offensive punch on that team. I know

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they haven't been fully healthy for a lot of the year,

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but if you add Cat spacing, he's a different level

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of threat than a Wendell Carter Junior than a Palo Bancaro.

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But I don't the trade package. There has to be

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a ton of moving parts for you. If you're the Magic,

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you have to up Jael and Sugs and Wendell Carter

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Junior for Cat. That's the basis of the offer. There's

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other money moving around, probably Jonathan Isaac, But you're getting

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out of the tax Is that Do you consider that?

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Speaker 2: I think to know, well, sure you consider it, you

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don't do it, And the reason you don't do it is,

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like you just you mentioned the Timberwolves. They go trade

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for a generational defensive center to putting next to Cat

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and the Knicks see that, and they see they by

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being made the offer of cat. The Wolves are saying,

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you know what, this actually isn't gonna work for us,

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and the Knicks were like the like, but it could

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work for us to me, right, So then if you're Orlando,

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now you're gonna be the third team in that conga

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line of like, well, I don't know, I could see,

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well do you don't want to be the Only thing

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less time left on the contract, so like yeah, that

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that changes it a little bit, but the bones of

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it are the same where it's like, oh, ok, we're

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gonna trade for kat we if you don't know what

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you're getting at this point with him, like what have

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you been doing? Like so you're signing up for we

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know the problems we're gonna have. We know, like it's

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guaranteed what the issues will be. Plus he's gonna be older,

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so like what why, how? Why are you doing that?

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I don't understand why you would sign up for the

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guy that we're gonna sit here and talk about how

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difficult it is to trade him. Why do you want

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that player?

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Speaker 1: I think the two you mentioned the contract is shorter,

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but also the we just talked about this with them,

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was okay, Anthony Black's about to get paid. Do you

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just want to Suggs is injured, hasn't been the best

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shooter that has never logged over I think twenty nine

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minutes a game, or he has definitely hasn't hit thirty

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minutes a game. Are you just reorienting where some of

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your money's going on? Like then you mentioned the contract

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will come shorter, but aren't they different? They're kind of

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similar to Minnesota, whereas no, they don't have the center

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around him, but their positional size is insane. They don't

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have that week Like, it's not palaban Karo, it's not Franz,

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it's not Anthony Black, it's not Desmond Banne. Do you

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think they're better built? They can look at it say

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we're better built to insulate towns or is it because

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you still don't have the guy who would do the

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primary big man stuff on the floor, well that they're

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not you.

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Speaker 2: I guess you could argue they're better built than the Knicks,

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but they're worse built than the Wolves were because the

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Wolves had Jaden McDaniels and Aunt and go Bet and

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it's still they still decided this isn't good enough.

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Speaker 1: So like I think, would you so, would you say

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that the Wolves decision feel more about maybe the money?

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to reorient how the roster's like payroll was allocated because

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they got two starters from one. That's what they That's true.

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Speaker 2: But but I don't think I don't think that the

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like fit and the all of the drawbacks of the

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Cat experience were uh were not factors. I think that

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had it wasn't just the money. So I think just

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that's just to say, like you can talk the thing.

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You can talk yourself into it. As Orlando, you can say, well,

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we've got a ton of size, you at least three

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other positions, and Bain is like plays bigger than his

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size at the two. So and we're a defensive team.

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does feel like Orlando has a type and Cat ain't it?

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got to defend if you're gonna play for this team, right,

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Like what's the That just seems like that's why Bain

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made sense. It's like, no he's not a lights out stopper,

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gonna compete and be tough and blah blah blah. Like

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defensive position on the floor. So I know, I'm like

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dumping on the hypo and it's like very hard to

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as Orlando, But like I guess maybe that's just illustrative

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of how out on the Cat experience I would be.

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Is like Orlando's admittedly one of the best possible fits

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you could come up with, and I kind of still

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hate it.

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Speaker 1: The Nicks seem like they're almost in a situation that's

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like similar to Julius Randall, where Kat is now more

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valuable to them than any other team. Because Charlotte was

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another team that was mentioned. I don't think Charlotte should

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be in on CAT, to be clear, but a lot

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of the packages are just it's expiring money. There's Grant

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Williams in there, or is there Miles Bridges or is

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there Josh Green? You can't make that. That's you then

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decided that kar Anthy Towns is additioned by subtraction because

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he's too toxic in the locker room. And there has

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been there's been reporting, there's been stuff that people have

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texted me that just says something is off there, something

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is rotten in New York. Now, this is where my

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rant is gonna kick in. Oh good, karl anthy Towns

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has been absolutely ridiculous when it comes to some of

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this stuff. Some of the efforts that he's put forth

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this year have been putrid. He has not been good

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like on offense by his standards. That is a fact.

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And I also understand that the fans don't want to

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hear you halfway through the season talking about you're still

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learning your role and sacrificing. Nobody wants to hear someone

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making fifty plus million dollars say that. The other thing too,

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He wasn't wrong, but I don't know if you saw

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the exchange where the reporter was. It was after they

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got the shit kicked out of them against Dallas said

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this is the same cores last season, Like can you

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like what is going? That was the gi Just to

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the question. He responded by saying, well, I think saying

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it's the same course last season is like doing a

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disservice to the real heroes last year who aren't here anymore.

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Speaker 2: He proceeded to.

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Speaker 1: Name Cameron Payne and nobody else, and it's now now ridiculous,

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clearly self serving because Cameron Payne, to Kat's credit, did

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make more of an effort to give him the ball,

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and the only one on the roster who is doing

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that this season is Tyler Kohleik. Jordan Clarkson's not doing

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that for him. The stuff between him and Jallen Brunson

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has always been wonky, but I would argue if Kat

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was more of like a real role threat, it wouldn't

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be as wonky. But he's just better suited as picking

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pop and the cadence at which Jallen Brunson plays is

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not suited to it. That part of it is. Towns

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is just so like the Cameron Payn thing was just

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so ridiculous, and get that's why people are out on him.

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The Knicks should be absolutely ashamed of the way that

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they have publicly treated him. You have Mike Brown. I

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don't care that he hugged Draymond Green after the game

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where Draymond Green didn't really foul Karl Anthony Towns even

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though he tripped him. That guy is a podcaster as

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a human, butthead, I'm sorry he The problem was is

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you proceeded to go into the postgame interview they asked

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you about that. You excused the flagrant from Draymond because

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he plays hard, so okay, he could trip people, and

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then said the bigger problem was Kat picking up his

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fifth foul. I don't care what you say in the

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locker room to him. That is your player. You go out,

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at least don't if you're not gonna like at least

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don't throw him under the bus. If you're not gonna

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take sides, don't throw Hi under the bus. And then

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Josh Hart is talking to reporters as we're recording this yesterday,

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I believe, and they're asking him about why it's harder

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for people to find Kat within this offense, and he

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has a show of support saying conthe town is a

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talented offensive player. He's gonna figure it out. But I

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don't want to hear about his touches. He needs to

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play defense. I want to see him block shots now.

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Josh Hart is a human troll himself, and I respect it.

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Josh Hart is also not wrong. You don't say that

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to the media. Is he is? What is he doing

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behind the scenes that is making you think it's okay

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to do this? And what is he do you think

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it's not changing anything. We've seen that this person doesn't

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respond well to that type of stuff. Tibbs was at

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least always spoke basically in support of Towns. Now, I

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don't want to cajole the ego of someone making fifty

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plus million dollars a year. I don't either, but that's

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the reality of the player that you traded for. And

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it's a fundamental failure on the part of the Knicks

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that they are allowing Conthee Towns to be directed under

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the bus or actively throwing him. I don't care you

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do it in the locker room. Absolutely call him out

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in film sessions, but you are damaging his value and

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you're not he's if you're doing it, because it's we

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need to light a fire under his ass. Bro, we're

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almost a game fifty. It ain't lighting a fire under shit.

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Everyone here sucks. Everyone here sucks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of things. I think I agree with

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you that no matter what the dynamics are internally, you

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gotta you can't. I was gonna say, like you gotta

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go to bat for your players, like you don't need

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to go to bat for kat As at least, just

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don't like hit don't hit him with the bat like publicly. Right, Yeah,

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that's it's a strained metaphor. And like I think the

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points of comparison are like one Memphis, like John Morant

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quit on the team for like a good chunk of

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the year. He did not hear anything close to this

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kind of like under the bus throwing right.

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Speaker 1: Well, he on his back cat, He's.

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Speaker 2: Sure, who knows. Maybe Jonathan kaminga kind of quit on

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the Warriors. They kind of quit on him. But everything

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you hear from Jimmy Butler when he was talking from Steph,

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from everybody, it's like they just go out of their

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way to say what a talent he is and he's

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gonna be great, and they they're just like if any

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team's got there just recently was just the little ripples

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of like there are players on the roster that are

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frustrated by like his expectations for himself. Like that's the

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closest thing you got. You never got anything like what

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you're hearing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that was funny when that was a bar

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that was incredible put it around him, arguably a little

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self sabotage.

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Speaker 1: I know people have seen everything else, but like.

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Speaker 2: So that's but that that was a little like there

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was a little fishure and the team's frustration with kaminga

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like crept through in the demand talk what you're seeing

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with the Knicks is like, so this is the question,

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Like I agree, you can't whatever it is, you just

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got to shut up about it because it doesn't do

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anybody any good to be so public about like how

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clearly like annoyed you are with him. But that makes

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me wonder like how bad is it?

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Speaker 1: Like what how what kind of they has him? They

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hail him, but it's like so then like I.

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Speaker 2: Just it's hard for me. I almost if there's a

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team who's locker room, I would like to have miked

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so I could hear, like what is our practices, so

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I could hear what he's saying, how he's acting that

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is causing this level of like very obvious annoyance and

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like disdain, Like wouldn't that wouldn't it be the Knicks?

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Because like what's it got to be? Like what must

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be happening? It's gonna be like unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You want to believe it's not entirely unprovoked, right, that

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he somehow deserves.

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe it is unprovoked. I have because it's

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like you cling to the like players around the league

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think he's kind of corny, Like corny was the word,

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and I've used it several times because I remember that's

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what I remember reading that was like the perception of him,

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and like, honestly, you hear him talk and you see

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the things he does sometimes and it's like, yeah, it

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checks out. It feels kind of like a corny dude,

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Like is how how is that enough for the for

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the treatment that you're talking about?

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Speaker 1: You know, like I just want to know what's what

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does it need to rise to the level like, because

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even if it does, it has to be And it's

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just he's not at least saying he's better in a

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mind of the campaign thing, which is absolutely ridiculous. I don't.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of self awareness to some extent, right,

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Like that's a component of.

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Speaker 1: It, for sure, but it's also he hasn't said anything

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that compares to like what what Mike Brown did after

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that Warriors game was just like I was. I was

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outraged even though that, like, I think all of the

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criticism that's being a loted to Karl Anthony Towns is

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one hundred percent fair. So I'm not coming out from

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this as a perspective. I need to defend Towns the

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fact that he could and it's not about the hu

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Draymond Green focused on the hug. It wasn't about the hug.

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It was just the com and Draymond Green also about

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the point. It's not like Cat's teammates stuck up for

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him when it. Ogi Adanobe like kind of intervened at

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one point, so they it's clear the Josh Hart thing

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is what like, so like they despise Karl Anthony Towns

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and I don't know what he's done to deserve it.

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My guess would have to be though that they're actually

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just handling this as poorly as Karl Anthony Towns is.

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And by the way, you don't like you want to

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single out efforts, how about the two dudes who are

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primarily responsible for getting James Dolan to fire Tom Thibodeau,

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Michale Bridges and og Ananobi haven't earned that type of

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a clout that oh Giannanobe hasn't defended well. Like at

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the og annobe level in weeks, he's there's always something weird.

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It seems to be like, oh, I probably need more touches, Like,

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uh no, you fucking don't. Like we've watched you now

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for nearly a decade. The last thing you need is

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more touches. So everyone here just comes off poorly. Even

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people have started talking about Jalen Brunson's leadership and it's like, yeah,

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maybe he's not doing enough behind the scenes. I can't

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speak to that. So no one here gets off scott free.

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But the Knicks have taken what has been a pretty

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bad situation that they've put themselves into and they're just

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making it worse, which is to bring us back to

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the question at hand. I don't think you can trig

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Karl Anthony Towns because his value is Trey Young esque

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at this point, and that's not the Knicks. Aren't the

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Hawks where they can be aggressively mediocre or play for

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the future. They have to be about next.

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Speaker 2: Right, there's not a Jalen Johnson on this roster that

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you're like, Okay, well, if we take a step back,

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we can reorient around this guy. It's it's it's a

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little different you.

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Speaker 1: But Hawks would be another example of just even when

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things were at their worst with the murmurings behind the

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scenes about Trey Young, is it never just seeped into

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the public sphere like it has right now with Karl

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Anthony town. So again, I'm not trying to say that

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carlon Downton play was far far from it, but just

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my god, talk about handling a situation. Could they have

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Could the Knicks be doing anything to actively make this

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worse than they already are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, I'm stuck, just like I want this.

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I want it to make sense. I want to know

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that there's like cause ultimately doesn't. When you think of Kat,

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like from a personality standpoint, the word harmless kind of

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comes to mind, like maybe it's annoying or whatever, but

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like it just again, it just doesn't check out to

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me with I want to know, like what is Maybe

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we'll get this if, if, and when this thing breaks up,

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there will be reporting on like here's actually the reason

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everybody was so frustrated with him, because if it's just

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normal teammate level frustration, like you're mad he doesn't play defense,

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you're mad about like how he acts. I just like

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we've seen situations like that before. And if if, if

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that's all it is, then the Knicks do have like

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a crisis of leadership and that should fall on Mike

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Brown and on Brunson and on everybody else. Like that's

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the other side of this is if it is just

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sort of run of the mill, like this guy's kind

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of a knucklehead, We're annoyed that he doesn't do the

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things we want him to do on the court. He's

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kind of a handful in the locker room personality wise.

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Like that's just I'm echoing what you said, Like there's

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a failure here somewhere, and it feels like one of leadership.

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If unless somehow Kat is just like unique, just like

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obnoxious and you just can't be around the guy. Right?

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But does are the two ways this could be explained?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it almost have to be the latter because there

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was and a lot of people pointing this out now

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I don't I'm sure you remember the report from the

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00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,599
athletic after last year where it's at members of the

474
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,559
team in the front office were frustrated because he was

475
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,279
just the defense of communication, lack of engagement, execution, and

476
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then not understanding why why it's a big deal and

477
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:25,319
as people, this is not like my own observation, I

478
00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:28,599
didn't realize it in the moment. No one came out

479
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,079
like the Knicks didn't even try to refute that. Yeah,

480
00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:33,599
and so this seems like it goes back. But I

481
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,160
don't know if that, like that doesn't warrant what's happening

482
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,920
right now. More so seems like what you said, it

483
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,799
has to be the latter that he is. I don't

484
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:43,960
know what he's doing by the scenes, but is he like,

485
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,720
does he have like a monument a campaign in his

486
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:50,079
locker that he just like like has to feel like

487
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,000
little brothers, like the encourse of a side.

488
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,599
Speaker 2: It feels like little brother stuff, Like is he going

489
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,640
around like tying people's shoelaces together and like everybody's super

490
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,440
over it, but he keeps doing it. It's like in

491
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,200
little things in my mind, like that's what's happening. It

492
00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:03,880
can't just be that though, like it has to be

493
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,240
to another what well never hopefully we don't know now.

494
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,359
I hope someday we do.

495
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: So let's get into what their actual biggest needs are.

496
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,079
And I think this team is interesting because maybe there

497
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:19,960
doesn't seem to be a like sort of a division

498
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,799
among what people think. It's all just, oh, we need

499
00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:24,319
a backup ball handler. But I've also seen cases for

500
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,160
they need another big man because Yabuseli's given them less

501
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,680
than zero. I think you could also make a case

502
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:34,319
that hey, people are trying to like pretend that Landry

503
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,799
Shammitt is a wing and Lantry Sama has been really

504
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,079
good this year, but he's not a wing. They have

505
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,240
no reserve wings. They're not playing d R consistently enough.

506
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:43,200
He's a rookie pakom dottie. I don't even know if

507
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,680
Mike Brown knows his name. So I think there are

508
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,920
a bunch of different routes they could go, and I

509
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,519
will say the one that least compels me. The big

510
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,400
man stuff I get because Karon Anthony Towns is coarnthy

511
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,160
Town's and Mitchell Robinson checker availability. How many minutes can

512
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,880
he play? If you don't have one of those two

513
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:02,759
dudes on the floor, you're not getting someone who's gonna

514
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,039
be is gonna approximate anything of what either one of

515
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,680
them is doing with the assets you have. So the

516
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,920
big man stuff just doesn't like if you find someone

517
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,000
who you're eligible to sign on the buyout market and

518
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:16,160
you think is better than huck Porty. Fine, but I'm

519
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,440
not making a trade and if that's the only trade out,

520
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,480
but I'm not giving up any asset to get another

521
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:23,559
big man in here. If kar Anthony taws Amtcha Rominson

522
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:26,640
aren't enough, go upstairs and look at the front office. Like,

523
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,119
that's just that's the one that I get it. But

524
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,400
it's also that to me is more of a waste.

525
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a minute there, Tyler Kolek was like this,

526
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,359
it was the ray of golden light that solved the

527
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,480
other ball handler problem. I guess maybe I should check

528
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:44,440
in with you on that is it seems like the

529
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,039
bloom is a little off the rose there. But like,

530
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,480
is he how is he viewed? I speak for the

531
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:53,119
Knicks right now and their fandom, Like, is Colex still

532
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,119
someone that you can point to and say no, no, no, there,

533
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:58,079
he's at least competent in that in that role, that

534
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,799
the limited role he's asked to play.

535
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:02,799
Speaker 1: No, I think that they they clearly at least don't

536
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,920
trust him, and I think that he probably hasn't gained

537
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:08,319
enough of it. But in theory he's the exact type

538
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,480
you want. Someone who tries on defense, is a playmaker first,

539
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,000
and that's him, but he just doesn't have any scoring

540
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:15,920
upside at this moment.

541
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: You need him to be like TJ McConnell if in

542
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,359
that in that archetype as opposed to although.

543
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: I would ASSUMMU at that point it would be like,

544
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:23,240
would be great.

545
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,279
Speaker 2: So I had to pick a white player. It's required

546
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,279
if you're if we're making comparison, sorry.

547
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: So I don't think. I don't believe that they would

548
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,359
just use him to get off Yabusele's money. I don't

549
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:33,759
think that's.

550
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so too valuable to just be that guy, but

551
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,680
not valuable enough to say this is no longer a need.

552
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,759
That's a tough tough in between, I mean.

553
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:45,839
Speaker 1: But also this would go back to you want all these.

554
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,160
I mean, Josh Hart is probably their second best ball

555
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,200
handler against pressure compared to Jalalen Brunton, and that's also yeah, okay, o,

556
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,039
g no more touches for you, and Michale Bridge is same.

557
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,799
If that's how we feel, So that I think I

558
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,279
might be on board now that that's the biggest need.

559
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,680
But what I'm struggling with is you need someone who's

560
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,839
going to be better than because where are those minutes

561
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,160
coming from? Okay, Jordan Clarkson's already kind of fallen out

562
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,640
of the rotation. It seems like Duce McBride has to

563
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,799
play a bunch, Jalen Brunson's going to play a bunch.

564
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:17,599
So if you go out and get a point guard,

565
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,079
are you cutting into Landry Shammit's minutes? Are you running smaller?

566
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,319
And if you're taking away from the wing minutes, you're not.

567
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,079
You don't have a ton of depth on the wings

568
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,160
to begin with. So I've kind of just looked at

569
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,599
it and said, the Knicks's most important lineup is gonna

570
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:34,359
be some variation of their top seven. And I don't

571
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,920
think you're gonna get a ball handler who is like

572
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,640
does enough for you to say, well, you can play

573
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480
over Mitchell Robinson or Duce McBride in the playoffs when

574
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:47,400
it matters. And maybe that's a narrow minded way of thinking.

575
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,279
And that's why I've glombed on to just get some

576
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,200
like complimentary wings in here. Ye. Also they could be

577
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,359
thinking along the lines of Jake Fisher reported that the

578
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,000
wing market is so light, so maybe from the Knicks's perspective,

579
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,759
Would they prefer to get a Justin Shaneenny, Would they

580
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:04,920
prefer to get a Vince Williams Junior? Maybe? But the

581
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,960
wing market is just so sparse and the Knicks don't

582
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,160
have a ton of assets. Have they decided that getting

583
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,039
another ball handler might actually be the easiest thing for

584
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:12,480
them to do.

585
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,839
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say it. It has always seemed easy,

586
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,519
like Ryan Nemhart doesn't get drafted and comes out of nowhere.

587
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,160
There's it's just like the guys that can dribble and

588
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,480
make a play that probably almost almost always are like

589
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,559
a little undersized, but you don't need them to start,

590
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,880
Like those guys are out there, like there's g League

591
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,880
point guards. I think that you could go find. It's

592
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,519
as opposed to like we need a wing that's actually

593
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,519
gonna get minutes on a team that's like trying and

594
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,960
failing to like win the East, Like it's gonna be

595
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,079
really hard to get a difference making wing that is,

596
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,119
like you're saying, good enough to take minutes away from

597
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,519
your top seven guys. It's a lot easier to find

598
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,720
someone that's like maybe better than Tyler Kolek. So, given

599
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,079
their limited assets, don't don't you think, like, if you're

600
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,359
actually trying to be practical about it, it's just the

601
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,480
wing thing maybe just beyond their reach.

602
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,119
Speaker 1: You're right because you I think you boiled it down perfectly.

603
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:04,480
And now that I'm thinking about it, is you need

604
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,359
to be better than Is it easier for them to

605
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,960
get someone better than Tyler Koleik or Landry Shammitt Right

606
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
now it has probably been, if not their best, their

607
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,000
second best, just guy like trying to get around screens

608
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:19,799
on defense, which is that's not okay, that's not okay either.

609
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,960
I'm just saying, Joe shamit's.

610
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: The guy that is chipping into the top seven minutes

611
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,480
right like, he's he's like number eight effectively, right.

612
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,279
Speaker 1: Like, So I just like, honestly, if we exclude I mean,

613
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:32,720
he might be over talents at this point.

614
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: If Mike Brown, based on our recent conversation, starting to

615
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,359
sound like it, yeah, I don't know, it's it's it's difficult.

616
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,920
I mean, is it time to talk about so is

617
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,599
their biggest need? We should probably try to put a

618
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,319
button on on.

619
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:45,599
Speaker 1: Well, I just want to know where you stand because

620
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,720
I think you could go after targets that cover all three.

621
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,160
Just if it gets you off of Yabuseli's contract, You're

622
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,079
probably okay, that's enough grade by itself, But what would

623
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:53,839
you What.

624
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,039
Speaker 2: Do they mean like if you got to pick a

625
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,319
deficiency to address. I think I lean wing because we

626
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,480
have to talk about this team in a playoff context,

627
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,799
and those guys just matter more than the If it's

628
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,359
Colek that plays six minutes in a playoff game while

629
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,400
Brunson rest, it's just I think it's the wing.

630
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,039
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm with you because it's just

631
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,799
like you also, don't you seem now the big situation

632
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:21,640
with Mitchell Robinson, maybe that's where you're at risk of

633
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,559
injury most but Jalen Brunton is buying large been super durable,

634
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,359
and I trust that the offense during the regular season

635
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,759
can get by with Colic or if you have to

636
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:34,799
give the ball to Duce McBride. More so than I

637
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,920
need all these wings. Josh Hard has already missed time.

638
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,279
Mikel Bridges is an iron man, but he doesn't like

639
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,319
it when his minutes are too high. Oh g Ananobi,

640
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,119
there's always something going on with him. It feels like

641
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,359
they're just more vulnerable in a regular season context, but

642
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,039
also a playoff context, because yeah, it's a problem that

643
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,200
Jalen Brunson might be the best guy to handle prep,

644
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,279
but he's gonna play forty two minutes a game no

645
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,920
matter who your backup point guard is.

646
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:01,039
Speaker 2: That's the team you built. Like, I think what we're

647
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,039
learning is that like Jalen, Yeah, that's always like has

648
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:05,359
the ball a lot, like I think he wants to

649
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400
play that way, and I think he's best utilized that way.

650
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,720
So it's just like, that's that's gonna be. I don't

651
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,319
think he's work.

652
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: He's actually proven he can play a different way. They've

653
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,759
yet to prove that it's worth using him in a

654
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,240
different way. It's right, exactly like this is just this

655
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,079
is what you got, which is this isn't worth a conversation.

656
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,759
But I think they're finding even if Tom Thibodeau there

657
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,000
was a case to fire him. But and I did

658
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,319
say this, and I wasn't a Tips guy, the Knicks

659
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:29,559
are kind of just finding out that Tom Thibodau wasn't

660
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:30,480
their ceiling.

661
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,319
Speaker 2: The roster was interesting.

662
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: That was the bigger issue than Tom Thibodeau.

663
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,759
Speaker 2: That was the unknown though right it wasn't clear it

664
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,319
wasn't at the time I found out that they did

665
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,559
find out. It does seem that they they found out.

666
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: So do you have any names that you would be

667
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,079
said my interested in seeing the Knicks pursue I.

668
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,319
Speaker 2: Just like, again, if it's if it's the wing man,

669
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:52,559
is that hard to find somebody that they could actually

670
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,519
realistically go get?

671
00:31:54,279 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: If I'm just asking questions Kershan Yabuselli and that Wizard's pick,

672
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,359
which is gonna be two first rounders the Wizard zone

673
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880
in a two second issues two seconds back to the

674
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,359
Wizards for Justin Champagne.

675
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Mm, yeah, I mean I think if I'm the with

676
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,160
like listen, we are we support the Champagnies around here,

677
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,079
So I think I would say, like Washington, I guess

678
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Washington might value getting that pick back enough to just

679
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,279
be like sure, but yeah, that he would help.

680
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Would you throw or is now does it well? Now

681
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,920
with something need a ball handler? Would you throw Tyler

682
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Kohlick in there to get it done?

683
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: I mean, based on my earlier contention that like you

684
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,920
can just go find a guy that can dribble for

685
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,160
like a few minutes every game, I think, like I

686
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,119
don't know, like I just Pat Spencer is on an

687
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,440
NBA roster, like could he he's he that different from

688
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,039
Tyler Coles just named brother duo?

689
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: So is Cam Spencer? Wow?

690
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: If you get Cam Spencer on the next Now you're talking.

691
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: Honestly, Tyler Coolick that Wizard's and then another second for

692
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,799
Cam Spencer and maybe Abu's going to Memphis?

693
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,359
Speaker 2: Is that that's not you think Memphis would do that? No?

694
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,559
Speaker 1: Ya, I was kind of maybe Wish will think you No.

695
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,880
I I just it's so hard that Scottie Pippen, given

696
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,480
that he's not playing Scotty.

697
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,759
Speaker 2: You just why not? Tigerome makes too much?

698
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: Uh? I don't know.

699
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you to do names for this because

700
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,799
I just messed around, like what would I do for Cat?

701
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,039
Like all my fake trade, all my fake targets are

702
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:28,480
based on like could you get this for Cat?

703
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: Jose Alvarado has been thrown around a lot.

704
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: Do you play cool?

705
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: But don't you think he's just sort of like another

706
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,359
Do you view him as he is a better ball handler?

707
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,000
Is he enough of a playmaking ball handling upgrade over Tyler?

708
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,440
Because he seems like he does a lot of the

709
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,519
same things Deuce McBride does. But he's a little bit.

710
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,160
I don't view him as just a a secondary driver

711
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,920
of offense. That's never been something that he's absolutely needed

712
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,359
to do in higher volume.

713
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: With no he might like, you know, as an enter guyser,

714
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:02,799
Like maybe there's value there, But if you're if you

715
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,000
want someone that's like gonna be a setup guy that

716
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,360
is worth playing for that reason, probably not.

717
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: Sure.

718
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well Yabu is just like not he's not a factor,

719
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,480
So so yeah, you'll take You'll take Alvarado like getting

720
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,440
a couple of steals in the back court and just

721
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,400
like playing hard and that's a bit bigger value add

722
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,159
than zero, which is what Yaboo's providing. I'm trying to

723
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,199
think of, Just like who.

724
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,639
Speaker 1: Is a uh Io? The money gets a little tougher,

725
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,400
Yabu seconds does that the magic?

726
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: Don't see him in on Tias Jones anymore? Can you

727
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,840
can give Tias Jones someone that would actually play?

728
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: He's not playing in the playoffs, right, I think Io

729
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,440
is more likely to play in the playoffs. What about it?

730
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: Are you are you categorizing iowas addressing the ball handler

731
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,400
thing or the wing need because you can't.

732
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: He's kind of a middle ground of because he does both,

733
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,239
but none of them nearly good enough to be the answer.

734
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,719
But if you can put, if you can half check

735
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,480
multiple boxes, I think that's more valuable than leaning all

736
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:07,400
the way in one direction.

737
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,519
Speaker 2: What about the wings, I'm like, at such a total

738
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:14,199
loss for a gettable wing that would actually matter.

739
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they need to be cheap like it, because

740
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,519
if you're not trading Mitchell Robinson or one of your

741
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,800
core players. They like Sadiq Bay.

742
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking like Royce O'Neill, but he's like

743
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,639
a ten million dollar guy. And the sun, Yeah, they

744
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,960
can super good for the sun, So why are they

745
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:30,320
doing that?

746
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: What about so oh Chiak Baji he's under seven million,

747
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:36,039
that's all defense.

748
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: Everything is Matisse Staibel healthy. He's eleven point five. Sorry

749
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
forget it. I didn't realize he was making that much.

750
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,679
Speaker 1: Jesus, Yeah, I mean that is the like at this point,

751
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,800
because the bucks are cooked. Does Gary Trent Junior that

752
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,440
he probably qualifies as like an upgrade? I mean they

753
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,559
have no wings at this point.

754
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,679
Speaker 2: Or Gary Harris.

755
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:59,199
Speaker 1: I mean I'd prefer Gary Trent Junior if you don't mind,

756
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:02,760
so what I I'm just trying to be realistic about it.

757
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,960
We're an agreement, and this isn't the wing, but we're

758
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,480
an agreement. They don't have enough to get Cam Spencer, right,

759
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,880
I don't think so. No, So do they have enough

760
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,320
to get Jaron Jackson Jr? They enough to get Vince

761
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,840
Williams Junior? Do you think he only has one year

762
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,400
left on his deal at the cheap rate?

763
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,599
Speaker 2: Maybe I could see that. That's certainly more likely to

764
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:28,719
me than Cam Spencer. I'm looking at the Lakers just because.

765
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,679
Speaker 1: They have no I mean, do they have enough to

766
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:32,440
that'd be interesting?

767
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 2: That was the name that jumped out. He's a six

768
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,960
million this year and next. I mean the Yaboo salary

769
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,679
matches because Yabu makes like five and changed, doesn't he?

770
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, what about again? The money here is tricky,

771
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,079
but they could do it, Naji Marshall if you put

772
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,239
enough seconds in or yeah?

773
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: Is that the sweeteners? I don't know if they've got

774
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,440
enough to make Dallas interested in that? Marshall will be

775
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,280
perfect perfect, Yeah.

776
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean the wings that wouldn't make sense for them

777
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,159
are just it's rough. If you're like with the salaries,

778
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:10,039
we know they're willing to give up. Do you think

779
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,880
Detroit would move on from Davonte Green.

780
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: I was just looking, you're in my head man, I

781
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,519
was just like, could you So.

782
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: This has been a popular deal because that what they

783
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
could do is trade duce McBride, who I think we

784
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:24,679
could agree has not like golden ticket first round pick,

785
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,199
but you would give up a first round pick for

786
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,519
duce McBride probably.

787
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: Right, we'd have the conversation for sure. Yeah.

788
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: The trade that's been proposed in some variation was duce

789
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,079
McBride for Tari Easan.

790
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's interesting.

791
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: I think what my issue with that would be, aside

792
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,159
from Tari Easton gets paid one year earlier. And my

793
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,599
second issue would be I don't think the Rockets do it,

794
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,800
but if they were willing to do it, you have

795
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:54,920
to go out and then get another trade because what

796
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,239
you're doing is like, is Tari Easton all of a

797
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960
sudden gonna be your primary point of attack defender? Got

798
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,519
you want him to be able to do other things,

799
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,480
so and he's not. You don't trust him. He's not

800
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,079
the like I trust duce McBride dribbling the ball more

801
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,360
than Tari Easan. Yeah, so like you would almost need

802
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,960
to say, well, we're getting we're trading Duce McBride because

803
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,719
we got Jose Alvarado or we got Iyo des Soon

804
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,320
MoU or something.

805
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Eastan would mean there's another deal. I think

806
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,679
it's address because I mean when he has the knicks

807
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,880
though in a vacuum, the McBride for Ethan, the what's

808
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,960
m what's Deuce's contract situation?

809
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,679
Speaker 1: He's making what he's making like three point nine million

810
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,239
next year? Man, that's I.

811
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,599
Speaker 2: Mean, you shouldn't and with what Easan might end up making. Well,

812
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,079
that's the other thing is like what we just went over,

813
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,719
there going to be sixteen under the second.

814
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:51,679
Speaker 1: You're not keeping Mitch and tar Easan and avoiding the second.

815
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,159
You're already probably not keeping Mitch and avoiding the second Apron.

816
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, man, I think you might.

817
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

818
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm I'm coming around to that. The It just it

819
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,880
just feels like so now now you're still you're building

820
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,719
a team. That's like, well, this makes sense with Cat

821
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:13,480
because Easton could just be the other front court guy

822
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,599
and you just stay huge and it's like, wow, you

823
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:20,119
know that Bridges is your middle three. So it's Kat

824
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,599
O g Easton Bridges Brunson is your starting five.

825
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: And then no, I guarantee you almost East would come

826
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,320
off the bench. I'd be curious still starting heart that

827
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,519
lineup has not been good enough, I think to guarantee that.

828
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,079
So maybe not, but closing unit would be interesting because

829
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,800
I think you could make the case that even if

830
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,719
josh Hart's three is are full, I don't know, because

831
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,719
Josh Hart is a ball handler and playment, they have

832
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,719
some they have some tough calls to make at the

833
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:47,400
end of games.

834
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 2: I think part of me has hung up on if

835
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,559
you move McBride, you just have an even greater need

836
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,840
for like some backcourt help that so like you're just

837
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,360
kind of move, You're just shuffling the need around a

838
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,079
little bit. But we've said that their biggest issue is

839
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,079
wing depth, and so Easan does address that. If you

840
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:09,280
believe Easan's gonna be able.

841
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: To shoot, do you think the Rockets do that?

842
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,559
Speaker 2: I mean, well, if we're talking about needs, they do

843
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,639
need another like scoring shooting, like ball handling guard much

844
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,440
more than they need like another tough like front court

845
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,079
defensive piece. So I think maybe the needs line up enough,

846
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:29,800
and if the Rockets are just like we got a

847
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,360
lot of guys to pay here. Uh, and so Easan

848
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,639
just can't beg they believe in.

849
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: Like DFS staying like reserviceable as a part.

850
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: Easan's lights out from three this year? Do you know

851
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,039
Easan's shooting forty seven percent from three right now?

852
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,119
Speaker 1: Oh so we dropped? Wasn't he over fifty percent?

853
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:47,519
Speaker 2: I I've not been paying attention.

854
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: He's he's minutes that this year. I feel like he's

855
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,599
never playing enough minutes whenever I watched.

856
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,079
Speaker 2: Twenty four just under twenty four nine starts, twenty three appearances.

857
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:59,199
Speaker 1: I think for the Rockets, I just I don't know

858
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,480
if dudes mcbro checks enough of the ball handling boxes

859
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:05,360
that they would. But they have Ruth Shepherd too, And

860
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,519
so it's like, why are we trying to address you

861
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:10,039
know what I mean?

862
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,599
Speaker 2: Like it would just be because you've decided Easton is

863
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,239
duplicative and and like that's a position of strength for

864
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,079
you as Houston as it is, and.

865
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: You just like we got you cost control someone for

866
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,679
an extra year.

867
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: And you're you're worried about like are we gonna pay

868
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,519
t Easton twenty to twenty five million dollars a year

869
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,159
or something? Who knows? But like you just you just

870
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,519
eliminate that from your list of worries. I guess I

871
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:35,360
don't know. It's it's not it's hard to imagine that happening,

872
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,800
But like you could justify it from both sides, I

873
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,360
don't know, maybe even more so from Houston's.

874
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:43,199
Speaker 1: Too.

875
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: Would you say, is Eastan a better player than duce

876
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:47,920
McBride in a vacuum?

877
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,159
Speaker 1: I think that he is a more desirable player because

878
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:56,320
of the archetype that he like, he can check, like, yeah,

879
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:56,880
I think.

880
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: That if he's gonna make threes, he is.

881
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,159
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's a yeah, it's not even a question.

882
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,920
I think if he's gonna be healthy and make threes.

883
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,719
What you could say that about anyone, but duce McBride,

884
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,079
the best version of him is still six to two right.

885
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: Right, right, you're not there's no if about well, if

886
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,239
he's if he's six seven, uh, then you're talking right,

887
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,400
that's non negotiable.

888
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 1: Good point, Arren Shannon Junior. Again, they have seconds to

889
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,239
give up to Minnesota, but as is Minnesota that out

890
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,480
on Tarreon Shannon Jr.

891
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: Hard to say, Yeah, I mean that that that might

892
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,480
be the level of player that you're gonna have to

893
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:31,960
ultimately settle for like the Easton thing is not gonna happen.

894
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: No, So I do have a name that's a big man,

895
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:38,360
and I want to see if you know where I'm

896
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:38,840
going with this.

897
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated.

898
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Would they be open to now discussing given the current

899
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,199
set of circumstances? Do you like my teaser here? What

900
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,320
does it take to get al Horford from the Warriors

901
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,320
at this point?

902
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,079
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Well, I think it takes Al Horford's consent probably.

903
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,000
I think he's because he's gonna have to want to

904
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:03,880
go where you're sending him. Asset wise, you know, you could.

905
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,519
Speaker 1: Get the Wizard second out of them, which is gonna

906
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,639
be number thirty four, plus another second like that comes

907
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,320
with that. They have other seconds to give, So is.

908
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: The offer Yaboo and some seconds or whatever.

909
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: They're probably there are. Ironically, you would probably get Yabo

910
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,199
or Dottie with the other one going to a third

911
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,559
team because neither of the war because Yabu makes less

912
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,360
than Horford since he took a little bit less than

913
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,599
the Mini mL E, so they can't be a perfect

914
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,159
match and the Warriors can't take back more money than

915
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,239
they receive. Right, they're hard capped at the uh so

916
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,920
kept the first Yeah, because they use the mini. Did

917
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,119
they get which more do they have beneath the first apron?

918
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:46,119
Though we did their trade at mine primer, so I

919
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:47,440
should know this, but I don't.

920
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, like eleven looks.

921
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: Like eleven million dollars beneath the first apron.

922
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,599
Speaker 2: That's what spo tracks spot track has it as right.

923
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Well, then I'm gonna throw anyway. It'd be the construction

924
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,280
would be you're taking on Yabu in seconds.

925
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:09,679
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't know if that's enough because Horford does

926
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,039
have the player option for next year, and clearly the

927
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:17,679
Warriors are you lock him? You lock him certainty? Yeah?

928
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:19,440
I guess maybe it just like which would you like

929
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,480
to have their player option picked up? That would be

930
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:24,199
a great deal for the Knicks, is what I would say.

931
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,480
I don't. I don't know if you're going to be

932
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:27,559
able to get him for Yabu in seconds.

933
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: Really, like even if it's like a total of three. So, like,

934
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,400
I just what is the Warriors endgame?

935
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,199
Speaker 2: Dan? There has to be demand. I don't know, if

936
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,320
you heard Mike Dunlevy, it's just you know, I don't know.

937
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,239
Hoer is a better player. It's just like, that's that's

938
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,920
all there is to I maybe a couple seconds, I

939
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,159
don't know. It's just hard for me to think of

940
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,639
the deal that's like that that the Warriors have swung,

941
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,480
you know, like where they're just like, we'll we'll take

942
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:55,039
these incremental like late.

943
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: Confidence in Quinton Post.

944
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,159
Speaker 2: Though yes it would, they don't. They don't seem to

945
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,599
value those kinds of deals. So that's a good that's

946
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,320
a good name. Though it would address a lot.

947
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:05,519
Speaker 1: Because they do have the Wizard second, the Knicks, they

948
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:09,840
also have the that's not a good pick. They have

949
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,800
a second round pick from Phoenix and or Indiana less

950
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,599
favorable in twenty twenty eight. That could be interesting. They

951
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:19,920
have their they have their own twenty thirty two second

952
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,119
round pick. So if you're looking at the Wizards second

953
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,239
and that twenty thirty two second is that are we there?

954
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: When Cannon Curry is running the team for Big Old

955
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,679
and State, he's just fresh out of middle school. Uh,

956
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:34,119
what was I gonna say? The Warriors only like to

957
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,559
pick fifty or later in the second round. That's where

958
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,480
all the success they've had it. So you have to guarantee,

959
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,360
you have to protect all those seconds so they can

960
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,920
only fall fiftieth or later and.

961
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: The top fifty five protected to be protected.

962
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:46,079
Speaker 2: Yew.

963
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: Horford was the name I think because big wise, I

964
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:50,599
just don't like Dayron Sharp the Knicks. I think he's

965
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,320
Dayren Sharp at this point is getting more than al

966
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,280
Horford would in a trade, right for sure?

967
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: I think I think so what about like I'm justum

968
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:58,960
Andre Drummond, Like he's probably too valuable to the Sixers

969
00:45:59,039 --> 00:45:59,960
to even think about moving.

970
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: But if if they're looking, if there's other team.

971
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,679
Speaker 2: If Bead's playing forty six minutes a night, maybe not,

972
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,639
but I don't see that continuing.

973
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: Could they get Jock Landale from Memphis? But again, that's great.

974
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,079
Horford would be interesting to me because he could play

975
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,239
if you really wanted to with Mitch or Cat, if

976
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,679
you really wanted to go that direction.

977
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Landale kind of kind of I don't know. Yeah,

978
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:24,280
Horford is kind of unique in that respect.

979
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,559
Speaker 1: That's really all I got. I earn any names, whether

980
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:30,760
it's wings guard you want to throw out there, I

981
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,840
just I don't.

982
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: Know if this is probably gonna take us down a

983
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:35,280
road we don't want to go. But just like if

984
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,960
you're are there any you've done cat trades? But like,

985
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:43,920
is there? I'm just the money's so tricky? Is there

986
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:48,119
like a construction where you can make it happen? For

987
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,239
like I don't know, Jalen Green and like Mark Williams

988
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,559
are like the principles coming. There's a million different moving parts,

989
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,079
like can you send it a new New Orleans where

990
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,599
you get back like her been eve me c for

991
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,800
another big and like Jordan Poole because or Dejonte to

992
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,199
take back like terrible money to make it work? Like

993
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:11,079
are there any crazy constructions like that where the Knicks

994
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:12,840
would even like want to think about it?

995
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,679
Speaker 1: The the New Orleans one is interesting from the Knix's perspective,

996
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,199
But I don't know if you have Zion and Derek Queen,

997
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,639
why you want to integrate Cat'.

998
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: The thing is that all these are like why does

999
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,800
this team want Cat? It makes it with Zion, but

1000
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,760
it didn't make now it doesn't with Queen there too.

1001
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: Right, Let's I guess if they really want to get

1002
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,199
off Pool's money for next year and de Jontay Murray's contract,

1003
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,079
I think would have to be both of them, and

1004
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:39,719
then you'll take back something else like I think that

1005
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,519
would be what, like, they're not getting eaves me if

1006
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:44,199
they get eaves me C as part of that trade,

1007
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:50,159
I guess, Okay, so eaves me Cy Murray and pools

1008
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:50,719
too much.

1009
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: At that point, I was trying to do it where

1010
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,920
it's like they just do Pool and and and Murray

1011
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,519
and just take on this horrible money but split in

1012
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:02,920
half for Cat kind of reverse the Cat for Randall

1013
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,079
and trade. I just it's like, what if you're the Knicks.

1014
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,079
Speaker 1: I just is there a team that you think would

1015
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,880
actually be a reasonable fit for Cat? We Orlando I

1016
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,800
think is at least reasonable to consider.

1017
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: But that's the best you could do. I think all

1018
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,159
the rest of this is that we probably, like I said.

1019
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: Chicago, I don't need to they have all those expiring contracts.

1020
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 2: So you're like herder Io, I mean, you want to

1021
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,559
consign yourself to mediocrity in Chicago. That's You've got to

1022
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:38,599
figure it out if you do that.

1023
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm going through the alphabet. Okay, this team Dallas, Like,

1024
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,239
is there what are karl anthy Towns for Anthony Davis? Swap?

1025
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,840
Get you going at all?

1026
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,519
Speaker 2: For the Knicks? For the Knicks, I was doing that. Yeah,

1027
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,559
I would rather sign up for the Anthony Davis, Like,

1028
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:03,880
what might we have to pay him slash? Is he

1029
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,239
just do we just lose him for nothing?

1030
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: Like?

1031
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: Is Kat at the lawy? Here's the question? Maybe stop here?

1032
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:12,840
Is Kat at the level where you would just trade

1033
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,639
him so you don't have to pay him after this year?

1034
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:16,639
Are we there?

1035
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,639
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not because I just don't like what

1036
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,440
is the alternative path? Then if the alternative path is

1037
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,159
you're you don't pay Towns, but you're paying Anthony Davis,

1038
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,440
who takes a lot away from you on offense, doesn't

1039
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:32,639
like to play center, and is never available. Kat's at

1040
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,079
least more available. So I just I'm not there yet.

1041
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,039
But that's more so because the rest of the league

1042
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,000
might be if that makes sense, if all you can

1043
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:46,199
get is the Tree Young return, I'm because let's throw

1044
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,400
Anthony Davis out of the equation. But like, would Dallas

1045
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,159
stack contracts together of just like if they get off

1046
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:54,199
Klay Thompson's money and they can't even do it because

1047
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:55,159
I do they still.

1048
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: Think defense wins championships in Dallas? That might be a hangout.

1049
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Town's next to flag, uh right? I mean,

1050
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,079
Kyrie is there, so that could once he comes back,

1051
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,960
that get like next to flag. And if Nagie Marshall

1052
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,599
is still there, you have Daniel Gafford, and if Derek

1053
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:11,599
Lively is ever healthy again, it could make some sense.

1054
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: If I'm the Knicks, I would trade Cat for Anthony

1055
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,840
Davis tomorrow, Like just just sign me up for the

1056
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,079
other the other headache.

1057
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: But you're at the points like there's like a chance

1058
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,719
Anthony Davis just doesn't play again this season.

1059
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,119
Speaker 2: That's yeah, and.

1060
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:26,599
Speaker 1: You're fine, there's yeah.

1061
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: I mean like, is it just better to be out

1062
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:36,800
of the Cat business at all? Like because that's that

1063
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,599
is like that's a possibility if you trade him for Davis.

1064
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,559
I was gonna say someone like Davis, but there if

1065
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:44,159
you traded him for Davis, yeah.

1066
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: I guess I will say. I'm not worried about as

1067
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,639
other people are about Anthony Davis wanting an extension. I'm

1068
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,079
very much of the mont he's entered his career. Okay,

1069
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:53,880
opt out and you go find that money and then

1070
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,679
you come talk to us like we're not giving you

1071
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,800
a back exten So yeah, this is it's tough. I

1072
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,159
think think that they're basically they decided that this was

1073
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,760
the roster. They made that decision this past offseason. Look,

1074
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,960
by the way, we haven't talked about this. I don't

1075
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,559
know who needs to hear this. The Knicks aren't winning

1076
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:16,119
a title this season, and there's I don't think you

1077
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,239
could guarantee that they're gonna make it out of the

1078
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,719
first round either. Like this team is not it doesn't

1079
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,280
have I hate boiling it down to this, but I've

1080
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,440
watched probably more of them than any other team. They

1081
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,480
don't have it. It's not that they don't have it.

1082
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no, I was gonna I was thinking about

1083
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,440
this before we recorded. I think it was about the Knicks.

1084
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,760
There's a couple other teams, but it's just like, you know,

1085
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,760
sometimes you can just tell when the vibes are off,

1086
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,320
and it's like, really you think it's just like sometimes

1087
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,519
that actually does I know, we like to not analyze

1088
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:51,760
a team from that perspective, but it's just like sometimes

1089
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,079
it's just not working, and it doesn't it's got to

1090
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:56,079
do with what's happening on the floor. But like that's

1091
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:59,079
an offshoot of just kind of like how these guys

1092
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,519
feel about each other maybe, or how they feel about

1093
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:03,519
Mike Brown because some of that started to bubble up.

1094
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:05,199
And I don't think you're wrong. I think it's just

1095
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,719
like sometimes you can watch a team and it's just like,

1096
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,119
this doesn't feel like it.

1097
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: And it's the vibes. It's also I think when you

1098
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:13,760
dig it's the personnel. Sure, the other stuff we talked

1099
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,559
about independent of cat, it's it's this wrong a ceiling.

1100
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,519
Speaker 2: And that's and that begets frustration and that's a feedback

1101
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,199
loop of like now we kind of like each other

1102
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,360
less because this isn't working because of the actual on court.

1103
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,320
It's it all you know, it feeds itself.

1104
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: Are you ready to take us out of here? Sir?

1105
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,159
We did, of course. We did fifty plus minute on

1106
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,079
the Knicks. You can't do jack shit trade that line.

1107
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,679
Speaker 2: We talked about a lot of things they couldn't and

1108
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,400
shouldn't do. Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. Remember to

1109
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,679
rate and review and subscribely with some comments on YouTube.

1110
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,880
Let us know what you think if we missed any

1111
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:48,360
option that the Knicks have. I'd love to.

1112
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,119
Speaker 1: Hear it, but I don't. Also, I don't know who

1113
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:52,519
he's hear this. You're not getting Jaron Jackson Junior for

1114
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:56,039
Karl Anthony Towns. Like I know, people are all wonder

1115
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:59,880
probably not. Are these players worth on these They're not superstars,

1116
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,239
but they're on these expensive deals.

1117
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:01,519
Speaker 2: They're not.

1118
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: It's not no, especially now when the Knicks have no

1119
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:05,639
first round picks.

1120
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: That's there's no sweeteners anywhere. I'm joining our discord links

1121
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,920
for that. In the YouTube and podcast description, shouts to

1122
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:17,000
former New York Knick Franklin Lakina. Apologies to probably not

1123
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:18,440
future New York Nick Jared Allen