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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to my world.

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<v Speaker 2>Bitch, wow, god good here.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the one hundred and sixty seventh episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Supernatural Current Studies podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>So iraq Nically Paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>with me, as.

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<v Speaker 3>Always is Oscar Spector.

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<v Speaker 1>Producer Extraordinary and podcast co hosts.

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<v Speaker 3>The fuck word was that I made it up Iraq

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<v Speaker 3>iraqnically the Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I said, oh shit right before, because I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, I didn't think of a word.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think. Yeah, you've and all these episodes, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you've ever like repeated a word.

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<v Speaker 3>No, actually, sure, so I actually did, have you I did?

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<v Speaker 3>I used the same one twice, not thinking, not putting

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<v Speaker 3>it in my unchecked box and my apps and my notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so I fucked up. But that's it. That's only

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<v Speaker 3>one to fuck up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a right. We'll let it go. Let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty impressive that I have one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>seven episodes more with bonuses.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, no, I've only started this recently. I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't done this. I'm giving you too much credit, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It might be a little bit not like, well, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just yeah, anyway, I've done this like as a gag before,

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<v Speaker 3>but it wasn't consistent until recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well what you went up to? Man, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a month. You went to Mexico?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, actually Mexico went to me. I folded time and

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<v Speaker 3>space folded it onto Chicago and made them come to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very interesting. Don't recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just so many jokes. I'm just not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 3>What even what even?

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<v Speaker 1>People are way too sensitive these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I didn't even know where you were going. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just curious as a matter of you know whatever. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I went to kN Kun for a destination wedding. We

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<v Speaker 3>went through this, of course, and you haven't into one.

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<v Speaker 1>I have wait what My mom's one who corrected me,

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<v Speaker 1>will you?

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<v Speaker 3>Mam listened to the episode and she's like, bitch, you've

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<v Speaker 3>been to a destination wedding and you forgot about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, Please tell me my best.

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<v Speaker 3>Friend's best friend's wedding?

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<v Speaker 1>When when remember I went to New Orleans for a

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<v Speaker 1>destination wedding?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Who which friend?

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<v Speaker 1>Surveio? Okay minister sal Yeah, listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>He also his wedding. I didn't know his wedding wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>because I didn't go to New ORLEANSKA New Orleans. That counts.

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<v Speaker 3>You did it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it. Yeah, he was married by the voodoo

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<v Speaker 1>queen Bloody Mary. But it was the ceremony was at

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<v Speaker 1>Muriel's Jackson Square, which is haunted.

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<v Speaker 3>And you forgot about this, fucking forgot. You know why

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<v Speaker 3>you forgot about it because you that was because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you go to newr owns all the time, all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>so you must have just complained it as a regular

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<v Speaker 3>daily or yearly a vacation spot. Yeah, and you just

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<v Speaker 3>confused it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was my that was my one destiny.

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<v Speaker 3>So you did do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So not everybody hates me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not everybody hated right, And also everyone else I asked,

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<v Speaker 3>they all said, no, I've never been to one till

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<v Speaker 3>you know, now whatever, not the Cantcon one.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened in cancuon anything crazy? Any crazy Mexican stories?

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<v Speaker 3>No, not Mexican stories. I mean I went to a

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<v Speaker 3>resort in Puerto Morelos. I think it was called Porto.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the name of the hotel?

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<v Speaker 3>That's the name of the place, the town, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like forty minutes or thirty minutes from cancuon proper

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<v Speaker 3>is not in Cancun, you know what I'm saying. It's

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<v Speaker 3>in a resort in Porto or Morelos. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>the name of it. I'm not grave with names, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know they have they don't. They don't own the beaches,

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<v Speaker 3>but they kind of have it closed off. So it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like the resort owns the beaches, but the beaches

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<v Speaker 3>are federal proper ready anyone can call on them, but

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<v Speaker 3>they have their own side of beech area pretty big.

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<v Speaker 3>I happened to stay, so I'll give two anadots. One

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<v Speaker 3>about the resort itself. My first time ever and this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing all inclusive. No, I did not try

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<v Speaker 3>my hardest to stay drunk all the time to make

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<v Speaker 3>it worth it. But I did get drunk, I mean once,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was pretty I was buzzed for most of

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<v Speaker 3>the time, Okay, a little lesson buzz. I tried to

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<v Speaker 3>get drunk a few times. I just couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they were watering down the drinks.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably, but I don't know. Some of them. You could

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<v Speaker 3>feel that were strong. The Roman Cokes was the strongest

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<v Speaker 3>they have, like coconut margarita stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Also that was like yeah, obviously resort drinks. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of a lot of hools I had. I

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<v Speaker 3>had never been out on an infinity pool, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think until until this time.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Have rooftop infinity pool bars. No kids allowed. I was

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<v Speaker 3>up on that motherfucker every day. Any mamitas, No, not

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<v Speaker 3>like that. No, No, A lot of great mom I

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<v Speaker 3>see that brid's mates, but they're all taken. So you know, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to break up a home. What am

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<v Speaker 3>I anyway? What am I thirty? I'm not so uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to mention that I got the best room accidentally.

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<v Speaker 3>I got the best offer at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 3>guess they were offering their newest part of the resort

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<v Speaker 3>during when I bought my stay, and I happened to

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<v Speaker 3>have one of the best rooms that anyone else didn't have.

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<v Speaker 3>Is I had his amazing tub and I had a

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<v Speaker 3>hammock on the patio like on a balcony thing. It

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<v Speaker 3>was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Did your balcony overlook the ocean and stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't. It wasn't. It wasn't an ocean view. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty sure those costs more. But it was. It was

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<v Speaker 3>jungle view. It was all right there, that's it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I saw a lot of trash pandas.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, yeah, there's there's raccoons.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, really yeah everywhere?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they carry knives a little switchblades?

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<v Speaker 3>No, they don't know, they don't careful. You're fine. Don't worry, folks,

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<v Speaker 3>I got them and uh no, but I saw them

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<v Speaker 3>sticking around inside every night. I would see them sticking

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<v Speaker 3>around the stairs because it's all outdoors. Almost all the

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<v Speaker 3>buildings are kind of outdoorsy, and they were sneaking around

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<v Speaker 3>looking at going through the trash our trash.

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<v Speaker 1>I I didn't realize. Yeah, I thought there was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like and I saw lemurs. People were correcting me. You

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<v Speaker 3>didn't see a lemur. I'm like, I saw something like

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<v Speaker 3>one then like a leader you see monkeys. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 3>did see something like I don't know I can tell

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<v Speaker 3>you what it was. I thought it was limeur ish,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe a lynx or something. Rypto take a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of lizards to a bunch of lizards. Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>so the wedding itself. I want to get into the

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<v Speaker 3>wedding because it's a funny story. The one day I

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<v Speaker 3>actually did get really toasted, really drunk, drunk enough I

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<v Speaker 3>threw up is the day, the day of the wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>So the wedding ceremony started around five pm and it

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<v Speaker 3>went into the night, of course, so I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I have all this time. I was up at ten,

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<v Speaker 3>you know whatever, I was up at the pool. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have I wasn't our groomsmen, so I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>any duties before the ceremony. I was just there for

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<v Speaker 3>to enjoy the ride. So I was up and I

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<v Speaker 3>was talking to a bunch of strangers, making up stories

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<v Speaker 3>about myself. Was great, and they kept giving me drinks

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<v Speaker 3>and I kept not saying no. So by the time

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<v Speaker 3>I got out of the water, I realized I was drunk.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when I realized it. I went to my room

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<v Speaker 3>to start getting kind of ready, shower and all that

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<v Speaker 3>I threw my I threw up a lot in the

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<v Speaker 3>hotel room. Right. I had enough time to take an

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<v Speaker 3>hour nap, and I was surprised that I woke up

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<v Speaker 3>in time to get ready and dress. I'm surprised I

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<v Speaker 3>put on the correct clothes because I was still wasted.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised I did. Anything I didn't get to do

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<v Speaker 3>was shave. But it wasn't that bad. But it was,

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<v Speaker 3>but I still sort of shaved. Besides that, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>forget anything. Surprisingly, I put on the right suit, the

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<v Speaker 3>right pants, the right shirt, and I went down there

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone, you know, the people that know me, A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the friends there, they're like, are you wasted? Like, fuck, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wasted. So I had two of our friends maybe

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<v Speaker 3>sit me, one of them in particular, and on my

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<v Speaker 3>way to the walk cup. So the walk up it

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<v Speaker 3>was like it's like a walk up thing that's set

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<v Speaker 3>on the beach itself, so on both sides of the water,

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<v Speaker 3>and you walk up to the beach. That's where all

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<v Speaker 3>the chairs were at where the ceremony was. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>was a beautiful one point picturesque. On my way up

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<v Speaker 3>to it, I threw up on the side. Nobody animals, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I threw up. No hold on, I threw up on

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<v Speaker 3>the side, and everyone's so oil didn't fall in into

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<v Speaker 3>the rocks, into the water. I didn't, and I sat

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<v Speaker 3>in the very back. Luckily, the bride was nowhere near

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<v Speaker 3>me because she wasn't up there yet. I hadn't started yet,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I was. I barely remember the ceremony, don't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to get my collections from people in my

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<v Speaker 3>drunken stupor. I took photos that I forgot pretty well,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't remember much of it. But so I

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<v Speaker 3>powered through that. There was like a little swarry back

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<v Speaker 3>before we went to the reception area and a different beach.

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<v Speaker 3>But by the time I got there, I was fine,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was dancing and parting and way more sober.

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<v Speaker 3>At the reception, I didn't anymore. I did not drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>I just drank water. But I powered through it and

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<v Speaker 3>I made my way back out of it. So I

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<v Speaker 3>almost ruined the wedding, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's congrats on holding it together.

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what men do.

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<v Speaker 3>People were surprised it up, and people were surprised that

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<v Speaker 3>I was white knuckling through it. I'm like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be okay, fuck you, I'm gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did the pool, the sun, the heat, the drinks.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll hit you fast, man.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So I fell for it, all right. So that story

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<v Speaker 1>one story two.

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<v Speaker 3>You want another one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you had two. No, the first one was

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<v Speaker 3>like I would describe like my room.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, so no wild like wedding. What's the wedding

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<v Speaker 1>crashers movie with Owen Wilson and the other guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody crashed it?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I did do something. Okay, there is a second story.

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<v Speaker 3>This is fun. This is a one time thing, once

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<v Speaker 3>in a lifetime thing. Maybe I went snorkeling for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time. Yeah, that was gonna be some crazy see. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>here's the thing. Have you I'm sure you've done. You've

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<v Speaker 3>done snorkeling a million times. Yeah, that's the thing. I've

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen the ocean was at least fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, So I can't live that way. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I see the ocean as often as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fine. But for me, I grew up here. I

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm saying is I grew up here. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>of the one of those reefs that they have, apparently

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<v Speaker 3>one of the rare reefs around there. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was out there. It was the most terrifying, fucking

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<v Speaker 3>two hours of my life. Jay. I spent a legit

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it was gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 2>It was?

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<v Speaker 1>I What do you mean, what was gonna happen? What

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<v Speaker 1>were you afraid of dying?

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<v Speaker 3>Drowning? Drowning, drowning? Yeah, oh, I'm not gonna say a shark. No,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing so glamorous. I was just afraid of drowning. Dude.

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<v Speaker 3>The water kept going into the tube and then I

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<v Speaker 3>just spit it out, like yeah, I was doing that,

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<v Speaker 3>but then one of my slipper of things came unfastened.

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<v Speaker 3>That was freaking the fuck out because they're telling you

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<v Speaker 3>not to stand because they don't want your judge in

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<v Speaker 3>the No. I know, and I didn't, but like I was, like,

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<v Speaker 3>there were moments where I was freaking the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the taste of ocean water?

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<v Speaker 3>I made one of the other people from the wedding

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<v Speaker 3>party throw up because I think she swallowed too much.

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<v Speaker 1>That's happened to me before that.

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<v Speaker 3>That didn't happen to me. I didn't throw up. I

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<v Speaker 3>sucked it up. I went through it. Two of other

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<v Speaker 3>friends stayed behind the boat. They couldn't do it. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, no, I'm gonna fucking do it. It looks terrifying,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'll do it. It's so vast, though, How do

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<v Speaker 3>people fucking go out there all the fucking time. It's

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<v Speaker 3>fucking It's insane. You people are stupid anyway, So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>never doing that again. But I was out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was out there for doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It took like a forty minute or more maybe now,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember on the boat to go out far

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<v Speaker 3>enough to be out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And we saw barracuda, We saw turtles, we saw schools

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<v Speaker 3>of fish. We saw somebody saw a man ray, I

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<v Speaker 3>really wanted to see one. Somebody als saw a shark.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't see that. Bro Okay, drink some whiskey and

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<v Speaker 3>but it was fine. I don't regret so half of

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<v Speaker 3>it was terrified. That I have was pretty beautiful and cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get photos?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't have a bag for my phone or okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't have any set up at all. This was

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<v Speaker 3>paid by the groom. It was like all set up

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<v Speaker 3>in advance day after the wedding. So that's what you did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I've never done that before the story, So

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<v Speaker 3>to me, that's like a brand new thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>going to a roller coaster for the first time, you know. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>but never again, Okay, never again. I don't think so, man,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just nah, not son.

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<v Speaker 1>White people could have this too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can fucking have it. There's a reason white

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<v Speaker 3>people drowned that submarine thing three years ago or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it was. Yeah, no, no, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you talking about yeah, the Richmond Ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, there's a reason they were white, fucking crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>crazy nuts anyway, great, Yeah, roughly those are two stories.

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<v Speaker 1>You showed me some the pictures looked great, looked beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>I did I remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah you did. So I'm glad you had a

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<v Speaker 1>good time.

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<v Speaker 3>If you had my snapchat, you would have seen the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just saying your wife did. I think she

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<v Speaker 3>has good good for her, and she didn't to show

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<v Speaker 3>your name. She damn she don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we don't talk.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's roughly the escapades.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. I think it's awesome. Good for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, glad you had no crazy sex.

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<v Speaker 1>You're safe. Yeah, you're like quadruples. No, the way you

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<v Speaker 1>get down.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, the way I try to get down is different

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<v Speaker 3>from the way I actually get down. But but no,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing like that even remotely. I didn't think about it. Answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was just yeah, I kept thinking, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>man asks probably in Mexico having him some sex, right, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Just wanted to get drunk. I think the most closest

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<v Speaker 3>I was the first day I was there. I was

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<v Speaker 3>in Cancun, the city proper because our a cousin that

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<v Speaker 3>lives there. We stayed with him. I stayed with him,

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<v Speaker 3>sorry where I got B and B nearby and we

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<v Speaker 3>were in the city for the first day. Fucking hot

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<v Speaker 3>as fuck. We walked everywhere too. We can't have a

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<v Speaker 3>car available, which is fine. We didn't mind it, but like, damn,

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<v Speaker 3>but that was the only time I was like meeting

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<v Speaker 3>people more. Okay, yeah, well it was fine. Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>a water city, pretty hot, lot of palm trees.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask you, what is Cancun like the

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<v Speaker 1>city of.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like it's like it's like it's like Vegas

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<v Speaker 3>in the sense that a very touristy, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>touristy stuff, like a lot of like vendors on the

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<v Speaker 3>street that have a whole areas that could be a

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<v Speaker 3>park for another city is just vendor city, like little

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<v Speaker 3>vendors of anything tequila to hand bags, two T shirts,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is. Yeah, everything's still cheap there, dude. I

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<v Speaker 3>bought because I need to break my vape all. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I'm gonna smoke cigarettes for this trip. I

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<v Speaker 3>smoked a lot, but I think I bought like two

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<v Speaker 3>or three packs, plus a water, plus a toothpaste because

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<v Speaker 3>I've forgotten my toothpaste when I came over. All like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty dollars US.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and two packs of cigarettes is more than twenty bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>One pack in the city in nineteen dollars in the

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<v Speaker 3>city eighteen something. Yeah, you're lying. I'm not lying. I'm sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>When I quit smoking, I think it was eight dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a pack, eight or nine.

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<v Speaker 3>You quit that long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been a while.

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<v Speaker 3>While it's been a while, they've been steadily increasing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you've been.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost twenty dollars for a single pack.

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<v Speaker 3>I could buy almost a box of them. I actually did.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to the duty free store on my way

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<v Speaker 3>out on the fort. Of course, I got a carton

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<v Speaker 3>for fifty three dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty three dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they'd be like three hundred dollars in the city.

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<v Speaker 3>No shit, I'm not kidding. Well, maybe two hundred, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>something like that. It's a long so glad. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess maybe two hundreds closer. Yeah, but either way,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more. So I bought it. I figured I

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<v Speaker 3>saw some more, use them here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I sell some, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, got a racket. Yeah, what's the big deal?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything good for us. Remember that scene when the cows

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<v Speaker 3>came over, like, id's you want?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course?

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<v Speaker 2>I know?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know what he's like. He's like, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like no, it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>No, He's like, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not dude, I just had a hundred proof whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>come through my nose.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that I'll sell some yeah, i'll sell something. Ever,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a big deal. People are desperad bro hard times.

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<v Speaker 1>Good times. I love it. Yeah, I love it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love you. I don't have anything as exciting. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why. Happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh thank you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you don't think it's a big deal, but

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<v Speaker 3>you forget Oh, I would never remember your birthday if

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have social media to remind me or you,

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<v Speaker 3>I would never remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was literally yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not going to say my age.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh do you want me to tell you? No, I will.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's a dividend of twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, it is the square root of a funk. Everything hurts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why sight's going.

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<v Speaker 3>How's unique? Cabs?

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<v Speaker 1>They're fine, they're fine. Yeah, So that's that's all I got.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I got.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you're fine, it's not nothing. Well, it's not nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're having a nice dinner tomorrow. You're doing a

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing you have is your weekend, this is your

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<v Speaker 3>birthday weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my wife took me out to that was meaning

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<v Speaker 1>my full steak rush, steak meal. Kids came, little gifts

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, very nice. And then yeah, we're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>little something extra tomorrow, which would be Saturday. That's cool

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<v Speaker 1>of this recording the twenty three four twenty three Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I never remember my parents' birth birthdays either, So really,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't feel bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't feel so bad, don't feel bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget everybody. Don't feel bad, alright. The only ones

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<v Speaker 3>that commit to memory is when I if I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>a relationship, I'll remember the partners. You know, birth, that's

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<v Speaker 3>really it. That's it. I know my family's because I

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<v Speaker 3>grew up with them. I wish I didn't remember. But

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<v Speaker 3>in my families, I mean my brothers. Sorry, not my

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<v Speaker 3>mom or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't remember your mom's birthday, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it's in September. Oh, my dad's in something November.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm dude, I don't know. Google calendar. Google calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I did.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, they'll tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, other than that, it's no other news to

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<v Speaker 1>really report on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay. I think I said enough for both of

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<v Speaker 3>us this week.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. Yeah, Yeah, should we take a break.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we should. How did I take a break, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Chicago's podcast dot Com let's take a break. Listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the show. Well, the lights are turned

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<v Speaker 1>down low. The ceremonial candle is lit and the drinks

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<v Speaker 1>are flowing.

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<v Speaker 3>Tank.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start this.

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<v Speaker 3>Show, all right, Nicholas Cage.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't see what I'm doing behind.

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<v Speaker 3>The He's gesticulating wildly emoting. That's what I said, the

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<v Speaker 3>vibe into the groove.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk about what whiskey were drinking, No, we

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<v Speaker 1>did not. We just kind of cut to break.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you did. You were having an aneurysm. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>have to break.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are drinking a nice ten year whistle pig Rye.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Honet proof hone it one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>I know what you meant, and it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, I'm not disliking this.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think I'll drink it? But I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a big y guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know you don't like Rye. I know, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not listening. I typically I don't drink whistle pig

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<v Speaker 1>often at all. Where I drink it, where I was

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<v Speaker 1>turned onto it, and where I continue to drink it

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<v Speaker 1>is at this nice hotel on the beach in New

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<v Speaker 1>Smyrna Beach, Florida. Okay, that's my place to have whistle

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<v Speaker 1>pig old fashions. And that's where I picked up this

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<v Speaker 1>whistle pig thing must be the only place, the only

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<v Speaker 1>place I drink it. But I grabbed this ten year bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, let's let's try it. And I've had

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<v Speaker 1>it sitting with it. A bottle is ten Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a ten year old. Ten year old shut up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been sitting on my shelf for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, to be honest. We finally cracked it tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>and I enjoy it. I like it as a spicy

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<v Speaker 1>as other rise we've had that you don't don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say there are worst rise I've had.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, for sure. But it's good. I'll do it'll

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<v Speaker 3>do well. It'll warm me up. And it's been cold lately. Again.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>It has even though I'm opening the pool.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I mean, I went from like like heat, heat,

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<v Speaker 3>humid hot, aspecting heat, heat, heat, and then I came

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<v Speaker 3>to Chicago and I was like, oh, it's nice out here.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought I came back in a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it's like, nope, nope, back down to forties

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<v Speaker 3>and thirties. And we went down to almost twenties one night,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Damn, it's bad, it's late. May can

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<v Speaker 3>we come on.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing I wanted to mention quickly is just

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<v Speaker 1>a thank you to all our new Instagram followers. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been picking up Instagram followers like crazy lately, So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to everybody. We appreciate it. The ground and that's

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<v Speaker 1>at Chicago Ghosts. Probably, I mean after fucking ten years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably should.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you saying we've had the Instagram for ten years?

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<v Speaker 1>Eight years? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's been it's been a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you probably should. Ready to do this. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy one tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>I know nothing, just know. I was just gonna say

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<v Speaker 3>a baby to it. I've read your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a long one. It's a long one, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We've had longer we have.

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<v Speaker 1>In tonight's episode, we're plunging into the dark underbelly of

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<v Speaker 1>New York City in the nineteen sixties, seventies, and eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>riotous decades that set the stage and helped fuel the

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<v Speaker 1>horrific crimes will be discussing tonight. Against the backdrop of

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<v Speaker 1>urban decay and desperation of ruthless predator emerged from the

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<v Speaker 1>shadows created by screaming neon lights.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll put you now. Wasn't that bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Join us as we delve into the harrowing tale of

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Francis Cottingham, also known as the Times Square Killer

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<v Speaker 1>or the Times Square Ripper of Torso Killer.

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<v Speaker 3>I know this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard of him? Have you heard?

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<v Speaker 3>I heard it? Yeah? I wouldn't say I know him details.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a nasty fuck and he's kind of a lesser

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<v Speaker 1>known serial killer. I don't know why, but it just

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't a household name.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that monik. You know, the Times Square Killer. I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard before. You know, so I have. There's been documentaries

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<v Speaker 3>and to the extent that I know very little about

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<v Speaker 3>this until we do it on the show. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so pedestrian about it. I've heard of this guy and.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this is so as we delve into the horrifying

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<v Speaker 1>crimes of Richard Cottingham, who was an active serial killer

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<v Speaker 1>between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen eighty. So a good

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<v Speaker 1>stretch there. Yeah, it's crucial to understand that he was

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<v Speaker 1>not an isolated monster. And I think this is the

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<v Speaker 1>problem though, cotting him crimes stand on their own. They

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<v Speaker 1>unfolded against a backdrop of nationwide horror. For anyone living

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<v Speaker 1>through it, Turning on the evening news or opening the

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper meant confronting a relentless stream of brutality. From the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties through the nineteen eighties, the United States was

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<v Speaker 1>gripped by a terrifying surge of serial violence. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a terrifying era. The Manson family murders shattered the idealism

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<v Speaker 1>of the Summer of Love in nineteen sixty nine. Simultaneously,

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac Killer stock California, killing at random and taunting

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<v Speaker 1>the media with cryptic letters well into the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Over in New York, David Berkowitz, infamously known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun of sam unleashed fear during the summers of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six. In nineteen seventy seven, on the West Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>Angelo Brno Junior and Kenneth Bianchi, the Hillside Stranglers, abducted

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<v Speaker 1>and murdered young women in Los Angeles between seventy seven

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy eight. Ted Bundy left a multi states trail

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<v Speaker 1>of death from Washington to Florida in nineteen seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>to seventy eight, while Gary Ridgeway. The Green River killer

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<v Speaker 1>was targeting vulnerable women in Washington State from nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two well into the late nineteen nineties. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>why I think, you know, Cottingham kind of gets lost

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<v Speaker 1>in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's well, you know a lot of people hail

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<v Speaker 3>these these decades were the worst, man, I mean terrifying,

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<v Speaker 3>terrif obviously before this too, but not much before because

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<v Speaker 3>of all the turmoil, political upheavals. I mean, how close

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<v Speaker 3>almost like coming face to face so close to global

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear war, fucked up something in people in a certainly

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<v Speaker 3>popular at one percent, and it's like just drove them crazy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's how close we came. Fuck everyone has killed people.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's how it feels.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something in the water that three no, nine sixty two, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's curbing miss crisis. Yeah, I'm just saying like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it broke people, and people were like a

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<v Speaker 3>good point when the world's mortality was taken into account

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<v Speaker 3>that day or that week whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh ship, we could be wiped out that easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that easy? Fuck everyone, What is it matter? Some

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<v Speaker 3>people broke, Some people broke. What are you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>You know this reminds me of something I've haanned a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit but not too much. Is that the latest

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<v Speaker 3>Not to get into it, The latest Final Destination movie

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<v Speaker 3>came out a lot of a lot of brutal kills,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of brutal murdering, and there's no serial killer

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<v Speaker 3>unless you count that as a zero killer. But I

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<v Speaker 3>heard an interview with the directors right and in it

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<v Speaker 3>they were explaining how they were talking about how they

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<v Speaker 3>do focus groups. They showed the movie to a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people versions of it so they can tweak it

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<v Speaker 3>to you know, maximizer profits. That's how it works. And

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<v Speaker 3>apparently this latest version of the Final Destination movie, more

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<v Speaker 3>women wanted more gore. Wow, Like is as unprecedented all

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<v Speaker 3>the other movies was way less like usually guys or

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<v Speaker 3>different groups of people, but younger women or women in

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<v Speaker 3>general wanted all the brutality, all the gore. They wanted

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<v Speaker 3>it added in they want They didn't want bloodless stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted blood.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what that means, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about it, and like it comes I

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<v Speaker 3>think it comes from because it's been like twelve years

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<v Speaker 3>since the last Final Destination and in that time period

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<v Speaker 3>and before that, of course, I think a surge of

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<v Speaker 3>serial killer podcast serial killer documentaries has exploded so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we have more in one year than we've

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<v Speaker 3>had I think all of history, it feels like in

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<v Speaker 3>serial killer material. Yeah, like a Netflix alone, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>Mention and HBO and all of them. They all have

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<v Speaker 3>their own I think all major consumers of that are women,

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<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't say it most of them are women.

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<v Speaker 3>You think there's a lot of memes and jokes regarding

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<v Speaker 3>how women are like doing something playful like knitting something

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<v Speaker 3>or watching team not watching to be washing their dishes

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<v Speaker 3>or driving a car, and they're listening to the most

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<v Speaker 3>horrific thing and on the outside they look completely cheerful

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<v Speaker 3>and happy, but in their ears they're listening to descriptions

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<v Speaker 3>of horrible murders.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like, yeah, so into the correlation there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. Yeah it is, ladies. I don't know, tell us,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think what is driving your passion your obsession.

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<v Speaker 3>With or Instagram followers?

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<v Speaker 1>It could be let us know contact at Chicago goospodcast

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Yeah, it's a little feed in there for them.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. To understand how Richard Cottingham was able to

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<v Speaker 1>operate undetected for so long again nineteen sixty seven to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty, we got to examine the New York City

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<v Speaker 1>of the sixties, seventies, and eighties, a city that's drastically

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<v Speaker 1>different from the one we know today now. During these decades,

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<v Speaker 1>New York was teetering on the edge, plagued by social unrest,

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<v Speaker 1>economic collapse, and skyrocketing crime. It was a city unraveling,

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<v Speaker 1>and that chaos created the perfect cover for predators like Cottingham.

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen sixties were marked by upheaval. The civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>movement fueled way of protests, strikes, and violent confrontations. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty four, the Harlem Riots erupted, followed by the

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<v Speaker 1>New York City Riot of nineteen sixty seven. Then in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, the Stonewall Riots, an explosive response to

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<v Speaker 1>police brutality.

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<v Speaker 3>And the quiet riots come on feel the noise.

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<v Speaker 1>The Stonewall Riots, an explosive response to police brutality, sparked

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<v Speaker 1>the modern LGBTQ plus rights movement. These events painted a

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<v Speaker 1>portrait of a city grappling with deep racial tension and

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<v Speaker 1>social change. Estimates from race related unrest during the sixties

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<v Speaker 1>include between fifty and three hundred deaths, more than one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand injuries, and over four thousand arrests. Property damage exceeded

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<v Speaker 1>forty five million dollars at that time, which is four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty million in today's money. Of volatility, couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get that out, you got it in. Fragmentation helped obscure

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<v Speaker 1>Conningham's crimes as they begin wow. The nineteen seventies plunged

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<v Speaker 1>New York into what many consider its darkest era. Crumbling infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti covered trains and buildings, and constant emergency sirens defined

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<v Speaker 1>daily life. Entire neighborhoods in the Bronx and Upper Manhattan

641
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>were reduced to ruins by arson Times Square became a

642
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 1>center for sex, work and drugs, while Central Park, beautiful today,

643
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>gained a reputation for violent crime. Robberies, rape, and even murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Crime surge to record highs in nineteen seventy The Hard

645
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<v Speaker 1>Hat Riot saw construction workers attack student anti war protesters

646
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<v Speaker 1>in broad daylight. The Attica prison uprising in seventy one

647
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<v Speaker 1>further highlighted the systems collapse and yes. In nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>two separate bombings, one at Phronsie's Tavern that killed four

649
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<v Speaker 1>and another at LaGuardia Airport that killed eleven, rocked the city.

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<v Speaker 1>The later remains unsolved to this day. I never knew

651
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<v Speaker 1>there was a bombing like that at LaGuardia Airport, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>seventies were crazy. In seventy seven, the infamous Blackout left

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<v Speaker 1>the city in chaos for twenty five hours. There were

654
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<v Speaker 1>three deaths, over a thousand fires, four hundred and thirty

655
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<v Speaker 1>injured police officers, and thousands arrested for looting. All this

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<v Speaker 1>occurred as the Son of Sam's serial killings again from

657
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six to seventy seven, gripped the public with fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Spike Lee's movie The Summer of Sam would later capture

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<v Speaker 1>that raw panic and paranoia.

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<v Speaker 3>And the heat of it too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it was about it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I loved about that movie, not nexsarily the

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<v Speaker 3>serial killer stuff in it, but the stuff about New York. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what he named. I think it was great in

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00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 3>that movie. I also remind me remember that time in

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<v Speaker 3>New York, also Chicago. I think around pandemic. Don't ask

667
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<v Speaker 3>me the year, but recently in our history, there wasn't

668
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<v Speaker 3>a big outage in New York. Do you remember this?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I do.

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<v Speaker 3>It lasted like a couple of days, maybe a few days.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember exactly. I remember how people were panicking

672
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<v Speaker 3>on the news and politicians, I don't know who, you know,

673
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.000
<v Speaker 3>people with mouthpieces. They were all panicking about riots, probably

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<v Speaker 3>akin to this history you're talking about, right, and nobody

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<v Speaker 3>nobody did anything.

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<v Speaker 1>They stayed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because the thing is that that's the change. That's

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<v Speaker 3>part of the I think a positive change of from

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<v Speaker 3>that decade to this decade a little bit. Obviously, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying there's no violence anywhere, but I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 3>that those extremes don't. I'm not saying we'll never come back,

683
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<v Speaker 3>because they totally could come back any minute. They haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been back, is my point.

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<v Speaker 1>Thankfully.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that everyone's so worried and nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does sound You're right. It does sound sounds

688
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<v Speaker 1>like people trapped in subways.

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<v Speaker 3>And trust me, if some I think violent crazy had

690
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<v Speaker 3>occurred and during that time a couple of years back,

691
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<v Speaker 3>we would remember, we would be like, oh, yeah, I

692
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<v Speaker 3>remember that one hundred percent. Yeah, But it's easier to

693
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<v Speaker 3>forget something that didn't happen.

694
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<v Speaker 1>So didn't turn out that's bad. You forget.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like saying like, oh, what's in the news today,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh apparently this just then everything's fine. Nobody won't to

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<v Speaker 3>say of that, I won't forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if it bleeds, it leads. The nineteen eighties continued

699
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the city's downward spiral violent crime, sword setting grim records

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00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>for murder, rape, burglaries, and auto theft. In the year

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty alone, New York reported one eight hundred and

702
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>fourteen homicides. That same year, Mark David Chapman murdered John

703
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<v Speaker 1>Lennon in front of the Dakota on Manhattan's Upper West Side.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times would call nineteen eighty the worst

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<v Speaker 1>year of crime in city history.

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<v Speaker 3>Still you think, do you think still as of that time?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean it's as you think, it's still

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<v Speaker 3>the worst here, I mean to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know. Things started improving then, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, yes, But also, like, have we is

712
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<v Speaker 3>it this sensationalized? Also? I wonder if those statistics has

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<v Speaker 3>been says, stanctionalized to make it seem that occurring years

714
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<v Speaker 3>or later on years been more worse for crime, even

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<v Speaker 3>if it wasn't. You know, you always think of that

716
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<v Speaker 3>because I feel like it's hard to believe everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hope not. I hope it was able to

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00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 1>be left behind the nineteen eighty and pricked there. But unfortunately, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not yet. It's going to get a little worse. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the landscape in which Richard Cottingham hunted, a fractured,

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00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 1>chaotic city distracted by wave after wave of crisis in

722
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<v Speaker 1>a world so overwhelmed by violence and disorder, Cuttingham's horrific

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00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 1>acts could hide in plain sight. Residents were fleeing the

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<v Speaker 1>city in droves as government mismanagement brought New York to

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00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the brink of bankrupts. Budget cuts led to a reduced

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00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>police force. Just as the crack cocaine epidemic unleashed an

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<v Speaker 1>unprecedented wave of addiction and violence. New Yorkers were warned

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00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>against riding the subway, and many entire neighborhoods were deemed

729
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>literal no go zones. Times Square became a magnet for vice,

730
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<v Speaker 1>a place where the dazzling glow of neon lights bellied

731
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the darkness lurking beneath. What had once been a symbol

732
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<v Speaker 1>of New York's vibrant entertainment district transformed into a grim

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00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>theater of exploitation and desperation. Peep shows, adult cinemas, and

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00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 1>sex shops dominated every block, while drug dealers operated openly

735
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<v Speaker 1>catering to a steady stream of attics. The streets were

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<v Speaker 1>overrun with lost souls, runaways, sex workers, the homeless, and

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00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 1>the mentally ill, many of whom had nowhere else to go.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a place where hope flickered like a dying bulb,

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<v Speaker 1>and danger was constant. Violence was routine, with muggings, assaults,

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<v Speaker 1>and even murders occurring just steps from flashing marquees. For

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00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>many times, Square offered a last resort, a place to disappear,

742
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 1>to numb the pain, or to hustle for survival. When

743
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I think about this these eras in New York's history,

744
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>scenes from iconic movies instantly come to my mind. And see,

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<v Speaker 1>if you agree, moments that kind of truly capture the

746
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>essence of what it was like to live there during

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00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>those times. Take the scene from and you know, I

748
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>got to do it. The Exorcist, where father Damien Carrots

749
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<v Speaker 1>Karras visits his mother's tenemente apartment on forty eighth Street. Outside,

750
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 1>these impoverished children play in the shells of abandoned, burnt

751
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 1>out cars, painting a haunting picture of urban decay. Do

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00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you remember that scene?

753
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 3>I think so. Yeah, it's not like super clear. Yeah,

754
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 3>what I think of is a HBO show The Deuce.

755
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<v Speaker 1>The Deuce. Oh, I've seen one or two.

756
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 3>I never got into it, but yeah, it's amazing.

757
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it is.

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00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.199
<v Speaker 3>It's all about New York during that era, and that's

759
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 3>specifically that almost.

760
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Entirely slimy scummy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's well, yeah, one of them works that I

762
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<v Speaker 3>die bar right off one of the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of subway scenes and yeah, yeah, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of well it's not just about the murder or

766
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 3>anything like that, but it has criminal elements at the

767
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 3>mob in. It has a bunch of stuff in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how about this one. Martin Scorsese brought New York's

769
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>forgotten corners to life in mean streets. I love bean streets,

770
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>the dark alleys, dilapidated apartments, and CD bars weren't just backdrops,

771
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.199
<v Speaker 1>they were almost literal characters in their own right. These gritty,

772
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 1>unpolished settings revealed parts of the city that would never

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<v Speaker 1>make it into a tourist guidebook. For me, these films

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00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>perfectly encapsulate the raw and unvarnished reality of New York

775
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 1>during that era.

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00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Everything panic at Nedle Park.

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<v Speaker 1>In which Cottingham operated. I haven't is that with al Pacino?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's filmed in the seventies. I think sure, it's about

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<v Speaker 3>sure it was addicts living, probably in Central Park. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>oh no, in Needle Park. I think that's might be

782
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 3>another park. I don't remember. It's been a Watsons in it,

783
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:08.440
<v Speaker 3>but I know that's.

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00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll bet you it's Cral Park or some some section

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00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of Central Park they called Needle Park.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're probably right. I can't tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'll tell you. There's probably no better example

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<v Speaker 1>than another Scorsese film, Taxi Driver, from nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>starring Robert de Niro and taxi driver. De Niro's character

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Bickle, describes New York as a sinful nightmare full

791
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>of animals, terrible people bent on destroying innocence, and as

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00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 1>an open sewer filled with filth and scum. These are

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<v Speaker 1>quotes from the movie. As Travis Bickle glides through Times

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<v Speaker 1>Square in his yellow cab, he passes a glut of pimps, prostitutes,

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00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 1>go go bars, sex shops, peep shows, adult theaters, and

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<v Speaker 1>porno shops, the very symbols of the city's decay and

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<v Speaker 1>the symbols of Times Square itself. Bickles New York. Is

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<v Speaker 1>in New York that birth Richard Cottingham, the Times Square Killer,

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00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 1>someone who may be responsible for upwards of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>murders of teenage girls, runaways and prostitutes between the sixties

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<v Speaker 1>and eighties in New York and New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 3>On y Yeah, okays, Bickel is the pre orschack.

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<v Speaker 1>Roorschack from taxi.

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<v Speaker 3>Taxi, no chack from Watchman.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I say taxi? I don't know rosik in taxi

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Horse shack, horseshack, Welcome back Cotter, I meant rorshak well,

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<v Speaker 1>I said horseshack, and that's welcome back Cotter through Richard Cottingham.

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<v Speaker 1>Though Richard Cottingham may not be a household name, his

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<v Speaker 1>heinous crimes left a lasting impact on New York City.

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00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>This relatively unknown serial killer etched a permanent mark on

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<v Speaker 1>the city's history and instilling fear, reshaping perceptions of safety,

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<v Speaker 1>and prompting a critical re evaluation of support systems for

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable populations. His brutal acts continue to resonate within New

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<v Speaker 1>York's collective memory, a grim reminder of the dark chapters

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<v Speaker 1>in its past. Known for his ability to blend seamlessly

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<v Speaker 1>into the chaotic streets, Cottingham's methods were as chilling as

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<v Speaker 1>they were calculated. He focused on the Times Square area

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<v Speaker 1>of New York, which again was known for its illicit

821
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<v Speaker 1>activities and the high chance of encountering female runaways and

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<v Speaker 1>prostitutes and the homeless. Cottingham would lure his victims into

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<v Speaker 1>secluded areas or into shitty hotel rooms, and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>his vicious work would commence. And since he deliberately preyed

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<v Speaker 1>on the vulnerable and the marginalized, an additional layer of

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<v Speaker 1>difficulty was added to any kind of police investigation. As

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about in our Long Island serial Killer episodes,

828
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<v Speaker 1>it could take a while for someone to realize that

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<v Speaker 1>these types of women are actually missing, to remember the

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<v Speaker 1>terms the missing, missing or less dead or NHI no

831
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<v Speaker 1>humans involved. Unfortunately, prostitutes and runways are typically not a

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<v Speaker 1>high priority for police when they are discovered missing. They

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<v Speaker 1>gambled and lost. And it's not known how many women

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<v Speaker 1>Cottingham actually killed, As I said, some estimate. Some estimates

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<v Speaker 1>places body at a BodyCount at one hundred or more. However,

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<v Speaker 1>we can confirm that Cottingham's victim count is at least

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen women, not including intended victims that miraculously survived, although

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<v Speaker 1>not unscathed. It's also speculated that his killing grounds could

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<v Speaker 1>span many more states besides New York and New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to get into Cottingham's early years a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>even though after all this research there's nothing really remarkable. There,

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<v Speaker 1>no aha.

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<v Speaker 3>Moment, Well, did he go to California?

844
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Nokay, No no indication, but there's no aha moments in

845
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 1>his growth in his childhood to explain why this guy

846
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 1>turned out the way he did, okay. Cottingham was born

847
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.119
<v Speaker 1>on November twenty fifth, nineteen forty six, in the Bronx,

848
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>New York, the first of four children, and soon after

849
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 1>his birth, the family relocated to New Jersey, where Cottingham

850
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 1>spent most of his childhood. Overall, he had a stable

851
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 1>and comfortable upbringing in a fairly well off Catholic household.

852
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Now Cottingham faced some challenges with making friends during his

853
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>grammar school and high school years, but that's not abnormal.

854
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 1>He was considered handsome by some, but he had poor eyesight,

855
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>which made sports difficult for him to play. But nothing

856
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>tragic with that either, But he apparently found solace and

857
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>purpose in joining his high school's track team. I don't know.

858
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I would never do it. I think that's psychotic myself.

859
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.920
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, you're not much. You're a runner.

860
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 1>No police are behind me. There's no known sexual abuse,

861
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.159
<v Speaker 1>killing of animals, bedwetting, starting fires, nothing like that in

862
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 1>his past. I read one article that said Cottingham discovered

863
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.159
<v Speaker 1>and enjoyed bondage porn as a teen. But does that

864
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:12.760
<v Speaker 1>tell us he's going to become one of the worst

865
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>serial killers one day? No, of course not. After graduating

866
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.679
<v Speaker 1>high school in sixty four, Cottingham wasted no time and

867
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 1>immediately started working as a computer operator at Metropolitan Life

868
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Insurance Company, where his father was vice president, and he

869
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 1>also took computer courses during this time to further enhance

870
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.679
<v Speaker 1>his knowledge in the field, which would serve him well

871
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 1>when he eventually worked for Blue Cross Blue Shield in

872
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 1>New York, a career he kept all the way up

873
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.960
<v Speaker 1>until he was arrested in nineteen eighty. Now this, you

874
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.159
<v Speaker 1>can't make this shit up, I'm telling you. In this

875
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 1>crazy twist of fate, while Cottingham worked at Blue Cross

876
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Blue Shield, he actually worked in an office with another

877
00:42:54.840 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>brutal serial killer we covered on this podcast, Rodney Alcala

878
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>dating game killer. Yeah, the notorious child rapist and serial

879
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.280
<v Speaker 1>killer we covered in episode one nine. Of course you

880
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>do last. Yeah, Cottingham worked with this asshole. Now there's

881
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.599
<v Speaker 1>no indication that either of these two jag offs knew

882
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 1>of each other's proclivities or killed together or anything like that.

883
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>But still, what are the chances, Yeah, what are the chances.

884
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 3>They walked by in the hallway something with this guy.

885
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't trust this fucking day this guy's I

886
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.119
<v Speaker 1>don't trust this fucking guy.

887
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Like, step away from that one. That one's mine. I

888
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 3>call her tips.

889
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>It's weird. It's just do you call that serendipity. I

890
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.679
<v Speaker 1>don't think you call that certen dipity.

891
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.760
<v Speaker 3>No, it's just coincidence. I guess you think they passed

892
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 3>next to each other in the same bathroom, like Saul,

893
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know, I can see a skid. How

894
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 3>about that?

895
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That would be some funny you could

896
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you come up with some funny shit.

897
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 3>For maybe yeah, maybe Anyway.

898
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.280
<v Speaker 1>In the May of nineteen seventy, Cottingham married his wife.

899
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>He was married and they had three kids, Blair in

900
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three, Scott in seventy five, and Jenna in

901
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 1>seventy six. And the fact that this guy was married,

902
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not that strange. A lot of serial killers actually

903
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>had wives and kids and they held down normal jobs,

904
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.199
<v Speaker 1>just like Cottingham. Think John Wayne Gacy the Killer Clown,

905
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 1>or Robert Hanson the butcher Baker, both of whom we

906
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>covered on this show, or Dennis Rader BTK Now. It's

907
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in numerous articles that after the birth of their

908
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 1>third child, Jenny, Cottingham completely stopped having sex with his wife,

909
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 1>He neglected her, and he basically stopped providing physically, mentally, emotionally,

910
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and financially as a husband should.

911
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 2>So.

912
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy nine, Janet filed for divorce, which was

913
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.599
<v Speaker 1>finalized in eighty one after Cottingham was caught for being

914
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:56.119
<v Speaker 1>the Time Square killer. But again, aside from spouseal neglect

915
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 1>and some bondage porn, there were no overt signs of

916
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.599
<v Speaker 1>this absolute monster Cottingham was or would become. And this

917
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>is exactly what made Cottingham so terrible, his chameleon likability

918
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 1>to mask and blend in.

919
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Was he charismatic?

920
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, we don't know that, really heard him described as charismatic?

921
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:17.639
<v Speaker 3>No?

922
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>No, no, he was utterly normal. And there's a good

923
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.360
<v Speaker 1>New York Times quote in here. Later I don't remember,

924
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll get to it. But the way they describe him,

925
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 1>they're like, he just couldn't he can't be this because

926
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 1>he's just so normal, Like.

927
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 3>He's like designed to be forgotten the heat, Yeah kind

928
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 3>of yeah, yeah, Okay.

929
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, According to Peter Vronsky, an author immersed in chronicling

930
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham's story and who conducted multiple interviews with him, Cottingham

931
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.519
<v Speaker 1>was like a lichenthrope, a werewolf, a shape shifter, a

932
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 1>murderous creature driven by an insatiable bloodlust. During the day,

933
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham portrayed the image of a devoted family man living

934
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>in Lodi, New Jersey. Pause side note. You know who

935
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 1>else was from Lodi, New Jersey. Yeah, Glenn ENZELONEI Glen Danzig,

936
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Glenn Danzig, fucking Glenn Danzig, Misfits.

937
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh Danzig people, I know the band names Glennzelone.

938
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.079
<v Speaker 1>That's his real name, shore Glen Danzig. Lodi is where

939
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>one of my all time favorite bands was formed, The Misfits.

940
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Richard Cottingham from Lodi, New Jersey. During the day,

941
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 1>he was seen as a loving husband and dedicated father

942
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to three children. Neighbors often spotted him throwing, you know,

943
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>strolling through the streets with his kids through the neighborhood,

944
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:43.440
<v Speaker 1>projecting this aura of politeness. As I mentioned, he worked

945
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 1>at Blue Cross Blue Shield in Manhattan as a mainframe

946
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.159
<v Speaker 1>computer operator, which was a highly skilled, high paying job

947
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>at the time. I do so outwardly, he's just this

948
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:58.599
<v Speaker 1>totally normal looking, polite, unassuming, successful family man, a suit

949
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and tie guy. But as night descended, Cottingham underwent a

950
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:09.760
<v Speaker 1>sinister transformation and the werewolf emerged. Under the cover of night, Cottingham,

951
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the serial sexual murder or murderer, hunted his prey, and

952
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.679
<v Speaker 1>once caught, he would totally dominate and control the prey

953
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 1>while inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible. The

954
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.639
<v Speaker 1>more his victims suffered, the more aroused Cottingham would get.

955
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 1>And sexual pleasure and violence such a dangerous combination. Yes, Now,

956
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>what's really crazy is that Contingham's crimes went undetected for

957
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>so long, meaning police just could not piece together who

958
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 1>exactly was responsible for the bodies being left all over

959
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:50.320
<v Speaker 1>New York and New Jersey. You see, back in those days,

960
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:55.519
<v Speaker 1>information sharing between police departments, especially between police departments in

961
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>different states, was rudimentary at best and not existing at worst,

962
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 1>and there were no centralized databases to pull information from.

963
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Friends of technology and techniques were limited in their capabilities,

964
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 1>and DNA analysis was not available yet. This posed a

965
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 1>significant challenge in collecting and analyzing potential evidence left at

966
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.360
<v Speaker 1>crime scenes, hindering the identification of Cottingham as the Times

967
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Square killer. And like it or not, as much as

968
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>police departments like to say they all play well together,

969
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in reality, they're all pretty tribal. This is our case,

970
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 1>We're going to solve it that kind of thing.

971
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I can imagine it.

972
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And Cottingham knew this.

973
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 3>He's Bible high schools or something. It's excus Yeah.

974
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And he knew this, and he was smart, and he

975
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 1>was completely unassuming. In fact, the New York Daily News

976
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 1>would describe Cottingham as quote too ridiculously normal to be

977
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a serial killer. End quote. That was the quote I

978
00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 1>was referring to. Yeah, too ridiculously normal. It's fantastically what

979
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 1>a quote. It's such a great quote. Yet that's exactly

980
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:05.679
<v Speaker 1>what he was. He's a serial killer. Another thing that

981
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>made Cottingham difficult to detect is the fact that he

982
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>hunted where he was most comfortable, New Jersey, where he

983
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 1>grew up, and lived in New York where he worked. God,

984
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>who does that sound like? That we covered recently, and

985
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 1>let's not forget, as I mentioned earlier, due to politics

986
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and financial constraints at the time, the NYPD was already

987
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>severely strained. So now that we have some insight into

988
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 1>who this asshole was, I'd like to go through each

989
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 1>of Cottingham's known victims, and again keep in mind, when

990
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it comes to the victim count, Cottingham's exact count is unknown.

991
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>He claims to have killed one hundred and more, and

992
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 1>some investigators believe him. Now, I should have maybe mentioned

993
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 1>this earlier, but be sure to check the show notes,

994
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 1>as I left tons of photos there so you could

995
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.840
<v Speaker 1>put faces to the names we're going to talk about

996
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.159
<v Speaker 1>the victims, Cottingham some other stuff in there, like to

997
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 1>try to keep it interactive. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I

998
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:08.679
<v Speaker 1>left photos of Cottingham if you really want to see

999
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 1>what this fuck looks like. But it's believed that Cottingham

1000
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 1>killed his first victim, Nancy Chiava Vogel, a twenty nine

1001
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:20.719
<v Speaker 1>year old married mother of two, on October twenty seventh,

1002
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven. On that day, Nancy told her family

1003
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:27.760
<v Speaker 1>and friends that she was going to go play bingo

1004
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>at a local church in Little Ferry, New Jersey, just

1005
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>across the river from Manhattan and Times Square. Now, as

1006
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.559
<v Speaker 1>you might guess, Vogel never returned home. It was later

1007
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.119
<v Speaker 1>revealed that Nancy somehow crossed paths with Richard Cottingham, who

1008
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.599
<v Speaker 1>was a resident of Little Ferry at the time. On

1009
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 1>October thirtieth, nineteen sixty seven, the day before Halloween, two

1010
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 1>young Scho school girls saw what they thought was a

1011
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 1>mannequin inside a park car. Turns out it was Nancy Vogel.

1012
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 1>Found in Ridgeville Park, New Jersey in the back seat

1013
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of her own vehicle. She was nude, with her hands

1014
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and feet bound. Nancy had been severely beaten, and it

1015
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.880
<v Speaker 1>was determined that she died by strangulation and blunt force trauma.

1016
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Was the rest of her injuries like predeath, the prosthumously.

1017
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.599
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't that, I don't know, I don't

1018
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 3>know post Yeah.

1019
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Police theorized Nancy knew her killer due to the fact

1020
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 1>that there were signs she was having sex in the vehicle,

1021
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.519
<v Speaker 1>but there were no signs of rape, and because her

1022
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.280
<v Speaker 1>clothes were found folded neatly under her on the seat

1023
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:41.599
<v Speaker 1>of her car. Vogel's disappearance and subsequent murder remained unsolved

1024
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 1>for forty three years until Cottingham actually confessed to it

1025
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 1>in twenty.

1026
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.519
<v Speaker 3>Ten, even though by that time he was already saying,

1027
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 3>oh I did one hundred.

1028
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, huh. He finally confessed twenty ten. That's a long

1029
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>time not to know, truly, No, what happened to her?

1030
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Your loved one. That's terrible. Yeah, And that's a theme

1031
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 1>throughout this story. Is there this massive gap of time

1032
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.400
<v Speaker 1>where families don't know what the fuck is going on?

1033
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>You know. Next, we have Diane Cusick. In February of

1034
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight, Cottingham murdered twenty three year old Diane Cusick,

1035
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 1>a dance teacher and mother. On the night of February fifteenth,

1036
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight, Cusick called her parents to tell them

1037
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.480
<v Speaker 1>she was headed to the mall to purchase some new

1038
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:32.119
<v Speaker 1>dance shoes, but tragically, as you could guess, she never

1039
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.119
<v Speaker 1>returned home. On February sixteenth, nineteen sixty eight, so two

1040
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.400
<v Speaker 1>days after Valentine's Day, Cusick was discovered beaten, raped and

1041
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.199
<v Speaker 1>bound with duct tape in the backseat of her own car. Again.

1042
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>This theme there right, which was located in the parking

1043
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of Valley Streams Green Acres Mall in Valley Stream,

1044
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 1>New York. Authorities believe that after leaving her job at

1045
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.119
<v Speaker 1>a children's dance school, and while making that stop at

1046
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the mall to buy new dance shoes, Cottingham, impersonating a

1047
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.880
<v Speaker 1>security guard or a cop, followed Diane to her car.

1048
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>He accused Cusick of theft, and then forcefully overpowered the

1049
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 1>petite woman. This is the theory. The medical examiner's finding

1050
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>indicated that Diane suffered severe facial and head injuries and

1051
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 1>died from suffocation. Additionally, defensive wounds were observed on her hands.

1052
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:30.679
<v Speaker 1>So she fought this piece of shit. Heartbreakingly, it was

1053
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:33.920
<v Speaker 1>her own parents that found her car and her body

1054
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in that mall parking lot. Cottingham didn't confess to this

1055
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 1>murder until twenty twenty two, just a few years ago. Wow,

1056
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that family had to wait nearly fifty five years for closure.

1057
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Could you imagine't no offense but probably gone by that?

1058
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that I would guess Yeah.

1059
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 3>By love logistics logic. Wow, Wow.

1060
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 1>On this one's young. On July seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight,

1061
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham ambushed and killed Jackie harp Aged, just thirteen, while

1062
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.360
<v Speaker 1>she was walking home from her school's drum and bugle

1063
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>practice in Midland Park, New Jersey. When Cottingham couldn't persuade

1064
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Jackie to get in the car with them, smart girl,

1065
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.280
<v Speaker 1>he drove the car in front of Jackie like effectively

1066
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 1>cutting her off like you see in the movies. You know.

1067
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

1068
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham then got out of a car, dragged Jackie into

1069
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 1>some nearby bushes, and he killed her. She was badly

1070
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 1>beaten and had been strangled with the leather sling of

1071
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the band flag she was carrying on her way home.

1072
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.239
<v Speaker 3>So like I improvised. Yeah, this one more I mean

1073
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.280
<v Speaker 3>seemingly more improvised than the last two.

1074
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's using whatever she whatever bushes right opportunity.

1075
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1076
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Harp was Cottingham's youngest victim, and her murder went

1077
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 1>unsolved until twenty seventeen, when Cottingham confessed. From sixty eight

1078
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:11.199
<v Speaker 1>to twenty seventeen unsolved. Next, we have Irene Blasse. She

1079
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.039
<v Speaker 1>was just eighteen years old when Cottingham had abducted her

1080
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>from the Hackensack bus terminal in Hackensack, New Jersey, on

1081
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.599
<v Speaker 1>April seventh, nineteen sixty nine. The next day, Irene's body

1082
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.880
<v Speaker 1>was found laying face down in four feet of water

1083
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Saddle River in Saddlebrook, New Jersey. She was

1084
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:33.159
<v Speaker 1>partially disrobed, she was beaten and bruised. She was stabbed

1085
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:36.360
<v Speaker 1>once through the back into the right lung, and she

1086
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 1>was strangled with the chain of a crucifix she was wearing.

1087
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham admitted to murdering Irene in twenty fourteen. On July fourteenth,

1088
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:53.199
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, Cottingham forcefully abducted a fifteen year old

1089
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 1>girl named Denise Flaska while she was on her way

1090
00:55:56.559 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 1>to a friend's house in Emerson, New Jersey. Following morning,

1091
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Denise's lifeless body was discovered in Saddlebrook, New Jersey like

1092
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 1>a piece of trash. Cottingham callously dumped Denise's body from

1093
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:14.119
<v Speaker 1>his car alongside a road near a cemetery. Denise had

1094
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 1>also been strangled with the very chain of the crucifix

1095
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 1>she wore. Cottingham admitted to murdering Denise in twenty fourteen.

1096
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.679
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there's like the fifth time now where I'm losting

1097
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 3>to your patterns. Why is he admitting to these murders

1098
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.039
<v Speaker 3>at different times since and his incarceration? What's with all

1099
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:33.519
<v Speaker 3>these weird times?

1100
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Part of this story, which I didn't really write

1101
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.719
<v Speaker 1>in here, is there was a cop who kind of

1102
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 1>befriended him, okay later in life.

1103
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Like fake like to get information, yeah kind of thing.

1104
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.639
<v Speaker 3>Maybe there was a friendship there, right, but you have

1105
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:51.159
<v Speaker 3>to love what you hate, right good? Maybe?

1106
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he was convincing Cottingham to come clean on things.

1107
00:56:57.639 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 3>I just took him a while, Yeah, so I just

1108
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 3>want took Wow, it must have been like pulling teeth.

1109
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 3>These are decades apart, some of these huge time gaps,

1110
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:10.559
<v Speaker 3>huge time gaps. Because you give me one different Jay

1111
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:12.000
<v Speaker 3>called you my brother.

1112
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:13.719
<v Speaker 1>For get my birthday and I forget my name.

1113
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.800
<v Speaker 3>I blame Risky, thank you. Now that's insane, though, that's

1114
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:22.480
<v Speaker 3>a that's dedication. That's some ship.

1115
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Now he worked.

1116
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.679
<v Speaker 3>Yep, that's that's kudos to that, to that detective, I assume.

1117
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

1118
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.679
<v Speaker 3>Then second pattern is that I'm noticing that he picks

1119
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:33.039
<v Speaker 3>younger people in New Jersey.

1120
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 1>So far, so far, so far right.

1121
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:37.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know all the folkn right, but it seems

1122
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 3>like so far theorizing a pattern, I guess. And that

1123
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 3>could be because see, we grew up there, right he did.

1124
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.519
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if the familiarity of going to school in

1125
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:51.920
<v Speaker 3>New Jersey compared to seeing girls his own age and

1126
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 3>getting older and sticking to that age group as he's growing,

1127
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.320
<v Speaker 3>has to do with like he thinks of New York

1128
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:01.440
<v Speaker 3>as you know, old women that he can take advantage

1129
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 3>of and at home they're in New York and at

1130
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 3>home not so. I wonder if that's a thing based

1131
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 3>on these couples sing yeah and anyway, that's it.

1132
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>No good, It's got you thinking it's got the gears turner,

1133
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I like that exactly. Unfortunately. List continue continues. Lorraine McGraw

1134
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.280
<v Speaker 1>was a twenty six year old mother of two whose

1135
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.559
<v Speaker 1>nude body was discovered by some hikers in the old

1136
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Camp Bluefields water Tower in Nayat, New York in March

1137
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy. She'd been strangled to death. Not a lot

1138
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.079
<v Speaker 1>I can find on this one, but Cottingham confessed to

1139
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:42.079
<v Speaker 1>killing McGraw in twenty twenty two. Yeah, he remembers them

1140
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.519
<v Speaker 1>all twenty two. Do a lot of these guys do

1141
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:45.679
<v Speaker 1>they think about it all the time?

1142
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? They must, You're right, I mean that's heady to

1143
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:48.360
<v Speaker 3>get off.

1144
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Probably this one's fucked up too. Mary Beth Hine that

1145
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 1>they all fucked up. This one particularly gets me because

1146
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>she was sick. Mary Beth Hines a twenty one year

1147
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:06.039
<v Speaker 1>old epileptic that suffered from Grand Mall seizures. She vanished

1148
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.199
<v Speaker 1>on May fifth, nineteen seventy two, as she was traveling

1149
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:14.719
<v Speaker 1>to a nearby dance being held specifically for epileptics. Since

1150
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Mary Beth's epilepsy was rather bad with the Grand Mall seizears,

1151
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't able to drive which is why she took

1152
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.239
<v Speaker 1>a bus to the dance, but she never arrived. She

1153
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.760
<v Speaker 1>never came back home either. It's not exactly clear how,

1154
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.920
<v Speaker 1>but Cottingham somehow intercepted Mary Beth while she was traveling

1155
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to that dance, and sadly, her body was discovered five

1156
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.840
<v Speaker 1>days later. On May tenth, nineteen seventy two, near a

1157
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.000
<v Speaker 1>creek in Rockville Center, New York, which is on Long Island.

1158
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham beat and strangled Marybeth to death before dumping her

1159
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 1>body from a Long Island bridge. Cottingham confessed to Mary

1160
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Beth's murder in twenty twenty two. Laverne Moy was a

1161
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.559
<v Speaker 1>twenty three year old mother of two when Cottingham strangled

1162
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 1>her a death and then dumped her body off a

1163
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.119
<v Speaker 1>bridge on Long Island. She was found in Long Island

1164
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Creek on July twentieth, nineteen seventy two, very near where

1165
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Marybeth Hines's body was discovered a few months earlier. In fact,

1166
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it's believed that Cottingham dumped LaVerne's body from the same

1167
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Long Island bridge from which he dumped Marybeth Hines's body

1168
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:23.360
<v Speaker 1>two months earlier, and just like Mary Beth Cottingham didn't

1169
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 1>cop to this murder until twenty twenty two.

1170
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Big year for him, I guess, guess.

1171
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:34.400
<v Speaker 1>So the Sheila Hyman, thirty three years old. She was

1172
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Speaker 1>found bludgeon and stamped, stabbed to death in her home

1173
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.000
<v Speaker 1>in north Woodmere, New York, on July twentieth, nineteen seventy three.

1174
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.480
<v Speaker 1>That morning, when her husband returned from a trip to

1175
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the department store, he discovered his wife dead in the

1176
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.679
<v Speaker 1>couple's master bathroom. None of the rooms outside of the

1177
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>bathroom showed evidence of a struggle. The thirty three year

1178
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>old mother of three suffered multiple lacerations to her skull,

1179
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a fractured jaw, and a lacerated juggerer vain. None of

1180
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Sheila's neighbors reported anything strange around the time of her death,

1181
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and the autopsy ruled out rape. Cottingham confessed to Shila

1182
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Hyman's murder in twenty twenty two. Now, sadly, for nearly

1183
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:18.760
<v Speaker 1>fifty years, Sheila's husband was considered the prime suspect in

1184
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.599
<v Speaker 1>his wife's murder. That makes sense, Yeah, and this poor

1185
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 1>guy was haunted and hounded over this for decades. And

1186
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that's how this poor guy went to his grave.

1187
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.159
<v Speaker 3>He died before Yep, his.

1188
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Name only being cleared after his death. Fucking tragic man.

1189
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's something about that. After you die that sucks.

1190
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, you found out what the world knows now,

1191
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.639
<v Speaker 3>but also you died thinking the other way, right, Yeah,

1192
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:45.199
<v Speaker 3>that sucks.

1193
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:50.480
<v Speaker 1>It's that's just it's terrible. That one means. It makes

1194
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:51.280
<v Speaker 1>me have a drink.

1195
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.639
<v Speaker 3>Wait, it is a drink for the entry.

1196
01:01:56.440 --> 01:02:00.119
<v Speaker 1>On December twenty seventh, nineteen seventy three, the body of

1197
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:05.159
<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old Maria Amrita Rosatto Neevis was discovered in

1198
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.360
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey in a weedy area of Jones Beach on

1199
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the north side of Ocean Parkway in a busloading area

1200
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.079
<v Speaker 1>right there. I was like, wait, wait what Ocean Parkway.

1201
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.199
<v Speaker 1>It's New Jersey, not Long Island, New York. Like Rex Huerman.

1202
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Maria was strangled to death, and park maintenance workers found

1203
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.079
<v Speaker 1>her body covered in plastic bags and wrapped in a

1204
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 1>gray blanket. Nevis was originally from Puerto Rico and lived

1205
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:33.519
<v Speaker 1>in Manhattan prior to her murder, which went unsolved until

1206
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:38.119
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, when Cottingham finally confessed and just for

1207
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:40.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, so you know in the show notes, Maria

1208
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.880
<v Speaker 1>is the only victim I could not find a picture

1209
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of just couldn't find it. So just so you know,

1210
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 1>he's really ramping it up on this one. On August ninth,

1211
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four, in Ridgefield, New Jersey, teenagers Lorraine Kelly

1212
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 1>sixteen and mary Anne Prior seventeen were headed to the

1213
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Jersey shore for the day, but needed to buy bathing

1214
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:05.599
<v Speaker 1>suits first. The girls were too young to have a

1215
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.360
<v Speaker 1>driver's license, so they did what tons of people were

1216
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:11.880
<v Speaker 1>doing in the mid nineteen seventies. They decided to hitchhike.

1217
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 1>As you can imagine, fatal mistake.

1218
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah.

1219
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham happened to drive by and he picked up Lorrain

1220
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and Marianne, and, under the threat of doing them serious

1221
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:27.159
<v Speaker 1>harm if they didn't comply, he got them into a

1222
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:32.519
<v Speaker 1>hotel room. Cottingham tied both girls to a bed, repeatedly

1223
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:35.920
<v Speaker 1>raped them, tortured them, and beat them to a bloody pulp.

1224
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.639
<v Speaker 1>It's believed he did this for a few days actually,

1225
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:43.079
<v Speaker 1>and he eventually drowned both girls in the hotel bathtub.

1226
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Well five days after the girls went missing on August fourteenth,

1227
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.199
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four, their bodies were discovered at a construction

1228
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:56.039
<v Speaker 1>site in Montvale, New Jersey. Cottingham finally admitted to killing

1229
01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the two teens in twenty twenty one, and it seems

1230
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:03.079
<v Speaker 1>these are the only killings that Cottingham showed any signs

1231
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of regret for committing. He does not like talking about

1232
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:09.920
<v Speaker 1>this crime. For some reason, this one gets to him.

1233
01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Wait, what do you mean for some reason? This is

1234
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.000
<v Speaker 3>it's horrifying and more horrifying than the rest to the rest.

1235
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.960
<v Speaker 1>But like he's a serial killer. Days they love that shit.

1236
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:19.639
<v Speaker 3>It's days underage.

1237
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's terrible.

1238
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:22.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying it. It seems like to be a

1239
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 3>little worse.

1240
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.159
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying he even has a little conscience there.

1241
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:31.280
<v Speaker 3>He must, he must like this is by the one

1242
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:35.039
<v Speaker 3>that gives them. If there's any crime so far out

1243
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.119
<v Speaker 3>of all of his that uh maybe give them nightmares,

1244
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:38.920
<v Speaker 3>might be this one.

1245
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:40.960
<v Speaker 1>It's possible. But wait, there's more.

1246
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:42.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I know, I know.

1247
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Mariann Carr Maryann Carr. She was a married, twenty six

1248
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 1>year old X ray technician from Little Fairy, New Jersey.

1249
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.159
<v Speaker 1>She was abducted on December fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven, from

1250
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:59.599
<v Speaker 1>the Ledgewood Terrorist apartments where Cottingham had once lived, again familiarity.

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01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Right that day.

1252
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Marie Anne was supposed to meet up with her mother

1253
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:07.599
<v Speaker 1>in law, but she never showed up. Witnesses claimed to

1254
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.440
<v Speaker 1>have seen Marianne having a confrontation with the man in

1255
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the parking lot of her apartment complex, presumably her killer Cottingham,

1256
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's where the abduction took place. Mary Anne was

1257
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:23.199
<v Speaker 1>later frowned, brutally beaten, and strangled in the parking lot

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01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:27.239
<v Speaker 1>of a quality in motel in Haspruk Heights, New Jersey.

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01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:29.960
<v Speaker 1>She had severe ligature marks on her wrists and ankles,

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01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:34.280
<v Speaker 1>indicating that she was likely handcuffed at some point. There

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01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:37.400
<v Speaker 1>were ligature marks around her neck and traces of adhesive

1262
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:40.760
<v Speaker 1>tape around her mouth. She had also been sexually abused,

1263
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:44.119
<v Speaker 1>cut and bitten all over her chest and legs, and

1264
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:48.039
<v Speaker 1>she was beaten with a blunt object. Cottingham was convicted

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01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of murdering Marianne Carr in nineteen eighty two getting into

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01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:03.679
<v Speaker 1>gold Star Territory. Now victim's name is Dede Goudzari. On

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01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:07.920
<v Speaker 1>December second, nineteen seventy nine, d D Gadzari, a twenty

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01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:11.360
<v Speaker 1>two year old Kuwaiti immigrant who worked as a prostitute,

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01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.679
<v Speaker 1>along with another unidentified woman, were brutally murdered by Richard

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01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham in a hotel room at the travel In Motor

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01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Hotel in Times Square. Employees noticed smoke pouring out from

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01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:28.639
<v Speaker 1>under the door of room four seventeen. The fire department

1273
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.599
<v Speaker 1>was called and when they entered the room. When they

1274
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.400
<v Speaker 1>bust into the room, they found two bodies burning, one

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01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:39.480
<v Speaker 1>on each twin bed. When one of the firemen attempted

1276
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:42.320
<v Speaker 1>mouth to mouth resuscitation on one of the bodies, he

1277
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:49.360
<v Speaker 1>discovered that the body was headless. Cottenham beheaded Dede Gazari,

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01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.840
<v Speaker 1>cut off her hands and set her body on fire.

1279
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:56.840
<v Speaker 1>He did the exact same thing to the other unidentified woman.

1280
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Cottenham loaded both women's heads and hands into a duffel

1281
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:04.119
<v Speaker 1>bag and he nonchalantly walked out of the hotel room.

1282
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:07.639
<v Speaker 1>And he walked through Times Square with his duffel bag.

1283
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.719
<v Speaker 1>And get this, he was stopped by police for his

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01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:15.039
<v Speaker 1>own safety. Remember Times Square is fucked up at this time.

1285
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 1>So because Times Square at this time in history was

1286
01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:22.320
<v Speaker 1>notoriously dangerous, right we talked about this, especially at night.

1287
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.159
<v Speaker 1>So cop stopped him for his own safety, saying you

1288
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:27.639
<v Speaker 1>get out of here, white guy in fucking time square

1289
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:32.760
<v Speaker 1>duffel bag right now. Cottingham was convicted of both Deiti's

1290
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.119
<v Speaker 1>murder and the Jane does Doeze murder the other woman

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01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.760
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty four. Now, it is worth noting that D. D.

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01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Gazari's case gained attention in recent years due to her daughter,

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01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Weiss, forming an unlikely alliance, a friendship with Richard Cottingham,

1294
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:56.480
<v Speaker 1>in order to complete what Jennifer calls her quest. Now.

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01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Growing up, Jennifer didn't know who her biological mother was,

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01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.800
<v Speaker 1>but she discovered Dede's name in old newspaper clippings, which

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01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.360
<v Speaker 1>led her to learn about who her mother was and

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01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:12.920
<v Speaker 1>her mother's horrific fate, and then to Cottingham. Now, you'd

1299
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.159
<v Speaker 1>be right to ask how someone could befriend a man

1300
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.560
<v Speaker 1>that beheaded their mother. I asked the same question. But

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01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:22.760
<v Speaker 1>as wife Weiss puts it, quote, everybody deserves to be forgiven.

1302
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:27.039
<v Speaker 1>The magnitude of what he did is unfathomable. But I

1303
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:29.640
<v Speaker 1>became friends with Richard for my mother's sake and for

1304
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:34.039
<v Speaker 1>my quest end quote. You see, Jennifer's extraordinary good will

1305
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:38.000
<v Speaker 1>is motivated by a tragic wish to find her mother's

1306
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:42.279
<v Speaker 1>skull in that dingy motel room back in nineteen seventy nine,

1307
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham packed Dedee's head and hands into that duffel bag

1308
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and left the hotel and the macab mementos were never

1309
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:54.600
<v Speaker 1>seen again, and to date, despite their odd friendship, Cottingham

1310
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:56.840
<v Speaker 1>has never revealed to Weiss what he did with their

1311
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:00.159
<v Speaker 1>mother's head. So fucking crazy. Now you can check the

1312
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.840
<v Speaker 1>show notes. You'll see a picture of Jennifer Weiss, Dede

1313
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Gazzari's daughter messing around with Cottingham. Go check this picture out.

1314
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:12.800
<v Speaker 1>The picture looks like an attractive woman strangling Santa Claus

1315
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and clowning for the camera. That's exactly what it looks like,

1316
01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:19.159
<v Speaker 1>and it would be a disgusting picture if you get

1317
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to understand the context what Jennifer's trying to do and

1318
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:24.800
<v Speaker 1>why she's doing it. Befriend to try to find her

1319
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:28.800
<v Speaker 1>mother's skull. Hopefully Cottingham will show some humanity and give

1320
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer the location of her mother's skull before he departs

1321
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.880
<v Speaker 1>our sweet world. Because this guy looks like absolute shit

1322
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:35.640
<v Speaker 1>these days.

1323
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Not doing well well, I imagine that, but also like,

1324
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.039
<v Speaker 3>since it's exitus of confessions in twenty twenty two, and

1325
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:43.479
<v Speaker 3>if he hasn't come out with it, it's possible he's

1326
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:46.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to think naggine. That's not the right term.

1327
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:50.239
<v Speaker 3>He's probably not. He's probably not telling her because he

1328
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:50.920
<v Speaker 3>doesn't remember.

1329
01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:53.119
<v Speaker 1>I could be too.

1330
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:55.720
<v Speaker 3>Here was like double shitty about it, like I don't remember,

1331
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.079
<v Speaker 3>you waste all your time, or I love I love

1332
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.239
<v Speaker 3>the attention to woman, right, And you know I was

1333
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:02.520
<v Speaker 3>thinking that when you mentioned about this cop that prefriended

1334
01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:06.359
<v Speaker 3>him too, because you know, I'm not gonna say that.

1335
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say. The obvious sentence that most

1336
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.680
<v Speaker 3>people think of when people think of a serial killer

1337
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:12.800
<v Speaker 3>or any kind of killer is that they're heartless and

1338
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:16.640
<v Speaker 3>they deserve nothing and they don't feel anything. That's not true.

1339
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:19.960
<v Speaker 3>That's not true. There are people in there, not all

1340
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:21.399
<v Speaker 3>of them, that all of them are social paths. Not

1341
01:10:21.399 --> 01:10:24.199
<v Speaker 3>all of them feel nothing, right, most of them feel something.

1342
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:26.439
<v Speaker 3>And based on the way this guy doesn't want to

1343
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:28.239
<v Speaker 3>talk about that one double murder, I would say he

1344
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:31.399
<v Speaker 3>does feel something. He's not on the spectrum of complete psychopaths,

1345
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:35.560
<v Speaker 3>so maybe he's so. I wouldn't say he's just doing

1346
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.640
<v Speaker 3>it to have attention. But he also every human needs attention,

1347
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:42.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, So I don't I'm not saying I I'm

1348
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:44.680
<v Speaker 3>not saying we shouldn't blame him, just saying I understand

1349
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:47.000
<v Speaker 3>if that's what he's doing, and it's weird, but I

1350
01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:48.800
<v Speaker 3>think he forgot I feel like he would have said

1351
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:52.399
<v Speaker 3>it by now because he's confessed to all this stuff.

1352
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:53.319
<v Speaker 3>You know, we'll see.

1353
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, he is not doing well. Right, he's

1354
01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:56.560
<v Speaker 1>not doing well, so may.

1355
01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Maybe death bad maybe death bed. Yeah, you're right, maybe.

1356
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, we still have more victims. Next, there's Valerie Anne Street,

1357
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:12.319
<v Speaker 1>age nineteen, found dead on May fifth, nineteen eighty under

1358
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:15.319
<v Speaker 1>a bed at a quality inn in haspruk Heites, New Jersey,

1359
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.399
<v Speaker 1>the very same hotel Mariann Carr's body was found two

1360
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.159
<v Speaker 1>years earlier in the parking lot. Valerie Street had checked

1361
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:26.079
<v Speaker 1>into room one three two using the alias Shelley Dudley,

1362
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:31.079
<v Speaker 1>and she was accompanied by Cottingham. Later, when a maiden

1363
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.640
<v Speaker 1>named Delia was cleaning up room one three two, she

1364
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:37.600
<v Speaker 1>nearly tripped on an arm sticking out from under the bed.

1365
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Delia had unknowingly walked into a horrific crime scene when

1366
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:47.159
<v Speaker 1>she discovered Valerie's crumpled naked bodies stuffed underneath that nasty,

1367
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:52.439
<v Speaker 1>overused bed. Valerie's body showed obvious signs of torture, including

1368
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.159
<v Speaker 1>ligature marks on her throat, lacerations on her breasts, and

1369
01:11:56.279 --> 01:12:00.920
<v Speaker 1>angry red cuff marks around her wrists. Valerie had recently

1370
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.199
<v Speaker 1>been arrested for prostitution in Miami, and she was last

1371
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:06.079
<v Speaker 1>seen being picked up by a man in New York

1372
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:10.720
<v Speaker 1>City near Times Square. The discovery of Street's body at

1373
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the Quality Inn marked a significant event in Cottingham's series

1374
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:18.560
<v Speaker 1>of crimes because, unbeknownst to Cottingham, he left a fingerprint

1375
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:22.840
<v Speaker 1>in that hotel room. Cottingham was convicted of murdering Valeriande

1376
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Street in nineteen eighty one. Tell me how that is

1377
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a fear of mine. When I go to hotel rooms,

1378
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I always look under the beds. I try to look

1379
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:33.560
<v Speaker 1>under the bed because now there's usually because of stories,

1380
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.520
<v Speaker 1>because of stories like this. Absolutely rely, yes.

1381
01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh yeah, I don't.

1382
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:42.079
<v Speaker 1>What was your what is your? So you never you

1383
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:43.319
<v Speaker 1>don't fear it under the bed thing?

1384
01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:44.760
<v Speaker 2>No.

1385
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 3>I think the last time I genuinely had that fear

1386
01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:51.000
<v Speaker 3>was probably I was a child hoous Okay, I've never

1387
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:54.760
<v Speaker 3>no legit probably the last time. That's how long. It's

1388
01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.279
<v Speaker 3>been so long that I can remember the last time. Well,

1389
01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean I've seen them in creepy stop before, like

1390
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.159
<v Speaker 3>I guess your eyes, you know, being a creepy as

1391
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:04.840
<v Speaker 3>scene for sure that I remember. I'm sure there are others.

1392
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.359
<v Speaker 3>I think Lights Out the movie had a few under

1393
01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:11.640
<v Speaker 3>the best stuff that was super creepy, but nothing like No, No,

1394
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:13.479
<v Speaker 3>I don't have that as an adult.

1395
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:15.800
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't, you know, got me on it now

1396
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.359
<v Speaker 1>though I always look under beds. Pet Cemetery, Jade Creed,

1397
01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Gauge Creed.

1398
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm not saying you don't mean the new

1399
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:23.640
<v Speaker 3>one they want.

1400
01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Jade Jade Creed. I don't know. That sounds like a stripper.

1401
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:29.439
<v Speaker 1>That's the little boy's name was Gauge Creed. Gauge, Yeah, okay,

1402
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:30.199
<v Speaker 1>pet Cemetery.

1403
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Name's a kid, Gauge. He reaches out, Hey, hey, can

1404
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.279
<v Speaker 3>you read that yourself? Can you read yourself and tell

1405
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:38.600
<v Speaker 3>me the number because it's the gauge set them.

1406
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Boo When that kid reaches out from under the bed

1407
01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and slices Fred Gwinn fucking Herman monster's ankle?

1408
01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:46.640
<v Speaker 3>What is it?

1409
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Whatever?

1410
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? What is it with people being afraid of that?

1411
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Why is that so horrifying of.

1412
01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:55.600
<v Speaker 1>People to get your achilles cut? Why is that because

1413
01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:59.720
<v Speaker 1>it cripples you, like it takes out everything tendon.

1414
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:03.039
<v Speaker 3>But there's plenty of other way more horrible things to happen.

1415
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1416
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying. I hear that. I hear that a lot.

1417
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:08.880
<v Speaker 3>I hear people, Oh yeah, you're not the first, you're

1418
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:14.520
<v Speaker 3>the fifty first five d and first remember what's that

1419
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:15.800
<v Speaker 3>rob zombie movie?

1420
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:17.199
<v Speaker 1>That's one thousand corpses?

1421
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Thank you? And then Hostile I think Hostile was maker.

1422
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Did they cut the achilles in Hostile? Yes?

1423
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:24.359
<v Speaker 3>And people were like, oh I remember that scene. I'm like, bitch,

1424
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:28.520
<v Speaker 3>I've seen worse on Tuesday. I've seen worse in this

1425
01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:31.000
<v Speaker 3>other movie and three other movies. What are you talking about?

1426
01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:33.960
<v Speaker 3>How is this a big It's a it's a nanosecond

1427
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:34.399
<v Speaker 3>of a shot.

1428
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeh.

1429
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:37.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how is this a thing? Come on, get

1430
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:37.800
<v Speaker 3>your life thing?

1431
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.720
<v Speaker 1>For me, it was the combination of a child under

1432
01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the bed and then cutting that achilles.

1433
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:44.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, it's so bad, you're fine and you're a

1434
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.279
<v Speaker 3>lost costume but no, okay, you're fine.

1435
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Got my birthday too?

1436
01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:49.279
<v Speaker 3>It did.

1437
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:53.399
<v Speaker 1>On May fifteenth, nineteen eighty, the mutilated body of a

1438
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.159
<v Speaker 1>twenty five year old prostitute named Jean Rayner was found

1439
01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:59.560
<v Speaker 1>at the Sayville Hotel on East twenty ninth Street in

1440
01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:04.159
<v Speaker 1>New York at eight o'clock that morning, Employees discovered Rayner's

1441
01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:08.399
<v Speaker 1>hotel room filled with smoke. Upon entering the room, it

1442
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:12.800
<v Speaker 1>was discovered that Cottingham had unleashed unimaginable torment onto this

1443
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:17.119
<v Speaker 1>helpless victim. Jean Rayner was found strangled, with her body

1444
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:23.039
<v Speaker 1>indicating signs of torture, assault, and mutilation. Rayner's throat had

1445
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:28.119
<v Speaker 1>been mercilessly slit and shockingly, Cottingham removed both of her

1446
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:32.960
<v Speaker 1>breasts and in a truly demented display, he left the

1447
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:36.640
<v Speaker 1>detached breasts on the beds headboard for all to see,

1448
01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and before leaving the hotel room, Cottingham lit the mattress

1449
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:44.840
<v Speaker 1>on fire. He was convicted of Rayner's murder in nineteen

1450
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:45.319
<v Speaker 1>eighty four.

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01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:49.399
<v Speaker 3>That's a hell of an escallation, by the way, from

1452
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:53.039
<v Speaker 3>strangling in bushes, just sitting and dismembering.

1453
01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:58.119
<v Speaker 1>On capitating, cutting off breasts, making a display.

1454
01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:00.840
<v Speaker 3>And then comes from just not being conference along.

1455
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Brazen, yeah, or just you know, it just does like drugs.

1456
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:06.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, hey, weed is not doing it anymore. So

1457
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:08.199
<v Speaker 1>when you fucking slam this heroin.

1458
01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:09.479
<v Speaker 3>I that's not howck that's not how.

1459
01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 1>But it's the escalation, right, It's just you need more

1460
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:13.439
<v Speaker 1>and more more.

1461
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:15.079
<v Speaker 3>All the same. Like I'll try a little back okaine

1462
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:16.840
<v Speaker 3>once a week and then it's every day. That's right.

1463
01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:18.000
<v Speaker 3>It's an escalation, that's more.

1464
01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:20.640
<v Speaker 1>That's what this is. Yeah, he's bored. He needs more

1465
01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:23.439
<v Speaker 1>to get off because remember sex equals violins, violence equals sex,

1466
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:24.399
<v Speaker 1>you know sort of thing too.

1467
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:25.479
<v Speaker 3>That yeah, for sure.

1468
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Now, in the early morning hours of May twenty second,

1469
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty May twenty seconds, my birthday just.

1470
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:36.319
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't that like yesterday?

1471
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:36.840
<v Speaker 1>It was?

1472
01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:39.800
<v Speaker 3>It was yesterday? Was yeah, yeah, almost two days.

1473
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that going forward. Really it's May twenty

1474
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:43.039
<v Speaker 1>third right now.

1475
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:44.640
<v Speaker 3>You know I have the ability to put that on

1476
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:46.039
<v Speaker 3>my phone. I'm not doing it.

1477
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:48.439
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. In the early morning hours of

1478
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:53.079
<v Speaker 1>my birthday nineteen eighty, Cottingham picked up eighteen year old

1479
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Leslie and Odell Shay.

1480
01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:56.520
<v Speaker 3>You were eighteen at that time too.

1481
01:16:56.479 --> 01:17:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Shut up and she was soliciting sex on the corner

1482
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of Lexington Avenue and twenty fifth Street in Manhattan. Cottingham

1483
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:09.439
<v Speaker 1>and O'Dell negotiated money for sex, but they decided to

1484
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:13.039
<v Speaker 1>go out for some drinks first, and as O'Dell loosened up,

1485
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.920
<v Speaker 1>she confided in Cottingham that she was in a really

1486
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.159
<v Speaker 1>bad situation with her piece of shit pimp and that

1487
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:24.720
<v Speaker 1>she desperately wanted out of her current situation. Now. Cottingham,

1488
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.359
<v Speaker 1>playing the role of someone wants to help a woman

1489
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:30.600
<v Speaker 1>in distress, offered to drive Odell out of New York,

1490
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:33.199
<v Speaker 1>get her on a bus, and help her get back

1491
01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:38.399
<v Speaker 1>home to her hometown of Olympia, Washington. Little did Leslie

1492
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Odell know that the monster she ran into would turn

1493
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:44.680
<v Speaker 1>out to be ten times worse than her piece of

1494
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:48.279
<v Speaker 1>shit pimp. Right now before taking her to the bus station,

1495
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:51.079
<v Speaker 1>but he never intended to do in the first place,

1496
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham asked Leslie if she would you mind completing our

1497
01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:58.319
<v Speaker 1>transaction first before I take you to the bus station.

1498
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:03.039
<v Speaker 1>It was such a superman, sayavior this guy right? Leslie agrees,

1499
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:07.880
<v Speaker 1>So around Dawn, Richard Cottingham and Leslie Odell checked into

1500
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:12.079
<v Speaker 1>the same Hasbrokite's quality in where Cottingham had left Valerieenne

1501
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Street and Marianne Carr's bodies in the past. Talk about confidence,

1502
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.079
<v Speaker 1>he's returning the scene in the crime for the third time.

1503
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:21.600
<v Speaker 3>Well he's not getting caught.

1504
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't he exactly?

1505
01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:26.359
<v Speaker 3>And also familiarity. It's big with this guy, more than most,

1506
01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:27.079
<v Speaker 3>maybe even.

1507
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Now. Once the two were inside Room one point seventeen,

1508
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Cottingham offered to give Leslie a massage, and she agreed,

1509
01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:40.239
<v Speaker 1>got onto the bed and rolled onto her stomach, awaiting

1510
01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:45.399
<v Speaker 1>a little pampering. Right, Cottingham straddled her back and immediately

1511
01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.079
<v Speaker 1>he drew a knife and stuck it to her throat.

1512
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:51.079
<v Speaker 1>He slapped a pair of handcuffs on her wrists and

1513
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:53.640
<v Speaker 1>then pulled out a gun and pointed at her while

1514
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:56.640
<v Speaker 1>calling her a whore and saying you have to take

1515
01:18:56.680 --> 01:19:00.359
<v Speaker 1>it the other girls did. You have to take it too, whore,

1516
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and you have to be punished. Then he began torturing her,

1517
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:07.960
<v Speaker 1>slicing her with a knife, beating her with a belt,

1518
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and he nearly bit off one of her nipples. Jesus,

1519
01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:16.119
<v Speaker 1>But luckily Leslie was a fighter and at one point

1520
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:18.680
<v Speaker 1>when one of her hands was freed from the handcuffs.

1521
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Leslie lunged for the gun and tried to shoot cootting him.

1522
01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But the gun was a fucking prop. It was a fake.

1523
01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:28.880
<v Speaker 1>So Leslie began to shout, oh my god, no, Oh

1524
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:33.399
<v Speaker 1>my god, no, which drew the attention of a hotel worker, because,

1525
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.920
<v Speaker 1>believe me, the hotel staff were already uneasy and on

1526
01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:41.880
<v Speaker 1>high alert, especially hotels. You know, all these murderers on beds,

1527
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:44.960
<v Speaker 1>on fire and shed and right, they're on high alert

1528
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:48.359
<v Speaker 1>because of these previous murders of Marianne Carr and Valerienne Street. Right.

1529
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:52.680
<v Speaker 1>So the hotel's assistant manager began banging on that door,

1530
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and Leslie opened up the door just a bit. She

1531
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.479
<v Speaker 1>was able to, but the chain lock was still on,

1532
01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:01.880
<v Speaker 1>so she opened the door just enough to sneak her

1533
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.880
<v Speaker 1>hand through, allowing her to make some hand signals to

1534
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.079
<v Speaker 1>the manager that something was wrong, even though out loud

1535
01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:11.720
<v Speaker 1>she was saying everything was okay. The manager picked up

1536
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:15.720
<v Speaker 1>on Leslie's nonverbal cues and the police were called. Cottingham

1537
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.520
<v Speaker 1>knew this was bad. He had to get the fuck

1538
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.920
<v Speaker 1>out of Dodge, so he dressed in his cute little

1539
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.600
<v Speaker 1>businessman's suit with a fake gun in one hand and

1540
01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:27.119
<v Speaker 1>a briefcase like attash Shay case in the other. Cottingham

1541
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:30.239
<v Speaker 1>fled down the hallway, but he was quickly apprehended by

1542
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>a shotgun wielding cop.

1543
01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:33.199
<v Speaker 3>And that's it.

1544
01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:37.239
<v Speaker 1>With that, the Times Square killer's reign of terror ended.

1545
01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Once the police discovered what was in his Attashee case handcuffs,

1546
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.920
<v Speaker 1>black garbage bags, a leather gag, slave collars, a switchblade, knife,

1547
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:52.640
<v Speaker 1>ankle cuffs, replica pistols, and a stockpile of prescription pills.

1548
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:56.079
<v Speaker 1>The cops knew they finally had their man.

1549
01:20:57.840 --> 01:20:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Now.

1550
01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:59.640
<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long for a search warrant to be

1551
01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:04.199
<v Speaker 1>issued for Richard Cottingham's Lodine, New Jersey home, and police

1552
01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:08.000
<v Speaker 1>executed a meticulous search of the property. The search led

1553
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:11.520
<v Speaker 1>investigators to a locked basement where a startling array of

1554
01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:16.840
<v Speaker 1>items were discovered handcuffs, explicit artwork, a leather gag, more

1555
01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:20.720
<v Speaker 1>slave collars, and switche blade. None of these things are

1556
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:23.520
<v Speaker 1>illegal to own, of course, nor are the indicative of

1557
01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>a serial killer. However, police also found a trophy room,

1558
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:31.399
<v Speaker 1>a room Cottingham always prohibited his wife and kids from.

1559
01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Entering this trophy room with.

1560
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:39.600
<v Speaker 1>His sick man cave. Now, this trophy room contained all

1561
01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:43.520
<v Speaker 1>sorts of artifacts belonging to murdered women. A lot of

1562
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:45.760
<v Speaker 1>killers keep trophies so they could kind of relive that

1563
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:48.880
<v Speaker 1>excitement of their nasty crimes at a later time and

1564
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:51.560
<v Speaker 1>relive them again and again and again. In Cottingham, he

1565
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:55.199
<v Speaker 1>was no different. Now. It was the discovery of this

1566
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:58.239
<v Speaker 1>trophy room that hammered the file nail, the final nail

1567
01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:01.680
<v Speaker 1>in Cottingham's coffin, and the public could finally put a

1568
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:07.920
<v Speaker 1>face to the time Square killer, the monster. Between nineteen

1569
01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.640
<v Speaker 1>eighty one and nineteen eighty four, Richard Cottingham was charged

1570
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:14.880
<v Speaker 1>with murder, kidnapping, and sexual assault in connection with five

1571
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:18.079
<v Speaker 1>different women, two in New Jersey and three in New York.

1572
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:22.479
<v Speaker 1>That would be Valerie Street, Mary Anne Carr, Ddie Gazari,

1573
01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Gene Rayner, and the unidentified Jane Doe, found beheaded and

1574
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:33.119
<v Speaker 1>burnt in the hotel room. With all said and done,

1575
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:37.000
<v Speaker 1>after his initial convictions back in the early eighties, coupled

1576
01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>with his confessions decades later, including a confession I just

1577
01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:44.960
<v Speaker 1>read about from March twenty twenty three, where Cottingham confessed

1578
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to killing a seventeen year old girl named mary Anne

1579
01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Della Sala in Hackensack, New Jersey, in January sixty seven,

1580
01:22:52.479 --> 01:22:57.319
<v Speaker 1>which makes Dela Sala Cottingham's actual earliest victim, not Nancy

1581
01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Shieva Vogel, who murdered in October of sixty seven. Plus

1582
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:08.439
<v Speaker 1>his convictions on non murder charges, rape, sexual assault, shit

1583
01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:14.199
<v Speaker 1>like that, so all in Conningham was given multiple multiple

1584
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>life sentence By my account, he's in for well over

1585
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:21.439
<v Speaker 1>three hundred years. And he never really gave a reason

1586
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:24.159
<v Speaker 1>as to why he committed his crimes. He told investigators

1587
01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:26.560
<v Speaker 1>that he enjoyed getting away with his horrible crimes each

1588
01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:29.399
<v Speaker 1>time he did that. He liked the thrill of literally

1589
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.159
<v Speaker 1>getting away with murder. That and he once simply said

1590
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.479
<v Speaker 1>that he has a problem with women. Well, I mean,

1591
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:38.159
<v Speaker 1>it's it. That's what gets him off. I mean, is this,

1592
01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:41.399
<v Speaker 1>why is this? There's no brime, there's no grand reason. No,

1593
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>that's all he's given over the years.

1594
01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's insane. This is what makes him come. This

1595
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:48.520
<v Speaker 3>is how that's how most of these guys are. That's

1596
01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:51.560
<v Speaker 3>all it is. You know, obviously he stemmed from a

1597
01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:53.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of shit and all that. Yeah, you can keep

1598
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:56.720
<v Speaker 3>going digging that rabbit hole. But that's why it starts

1599
01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:58.119
<v Speaker 3>and end in a lot of ways, you know, like

1600
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:01.479
<v Speaker 3>there's no real reason. It's not it's no hate to

1601
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the world that betrays them, Like, no, it's just something

1602
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:04.720
<v Speaker 3>like this happens.

1603
01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>People want a reason, they want a.

1604
01:24:07.279 --> 01:24:10.159
<v Speaker 3>A reason beyond the obvious that he gets off on it.

1605
01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:16.439
<v Speaker 3>That's it. That's it, that's all. It's like whatever. Yeah, no,

1606
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:18.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying. I'm not saying I'm fine with that reasoning.

1607
01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:21.479
<v Speaker 3>But it makes sense that that's the main reason. Like

1608
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:26.079
<v Speaker 3>what else could it be, Like it will try hard

1609
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:30.720
<v Speaker 3>to not kill someone, Yeah, God forbid do that every day? Knock.

1610
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:34.680
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say something to that, you know what

1611
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:36.880
<v Speaker 3>that first murder, I don't remember anymore of the details,

1612
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:38.760
<v Speaker 3>and that you don't have to go back. But it

1613
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:41.199
<v Speaker 3>did seem I don't say it seemed practice, but it

1614
01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:44.079
<v Speaker 3>didn't feel like it's first. Yeah, it probably I forgot

1615
01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:46.840
<v Speaker 3>to mention that actually it probably wasn't. That makes sense, No,

1616
01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:48.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean like maybe I don't know.

1617
01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:51.479
<v Speaker 1>This wasn't because we just find what I'm saying earlier.

1618
01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:52.840
<v Speaker 3>When you first told it, I'm like, yeah, it didn't

1619
01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:55.399
<v Speaker 3>seem like a first because he does a few car ones.

1620
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:58.439
<v Speaker 3>Then he does a few impromptu opportunities to type ones

1621
01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:00.800
<v Speaker 3>where they're using their own straps on street doesn't matter.

1622
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:03.159
<v Speaker 3>And he finds out we can get away with so fast,

1623
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:07.159
<v Speaker 3>and the bus stops and ship and it's like, how

1624
01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:08.760
<v Speaker 3>far can I go? Can I behead them? Can I

1625
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:10.800
<v Speaker 3>put them on fire? Can I do any? Hotels? And

1626
01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:11.479
<v Speaker 3>just keep doing it?

1627
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the same place.

1628
01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Also like, I'm surprised I took this many. I mean

1629
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:20.760
<v Speaker 3>at least a third for sure. Motel murder, hotel motel

1630
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:25.159
<v Speaker 3>murder that no one heard anything, gave us shit, you

1631
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:27.960
<v Speaker 3>know before that seems like, yeah.

1632
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>How do you behead someone and no one hears it

1633
01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:32.159
<v Speaker 1>in the hotel? It's fucking crazy.

1634
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:33.600
<v Speaker 3>How how indeed?

1635
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know these kind of hotels, people they stick

1636
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to themselves. There are a lot of the people there.

1637
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.840
<v Speaker 3>I understand that anonymity is a big thing.

1638
01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:43.760
<v Speaker 1>They want their animity exactly.

1639
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:45.119
<v Speaker 3>I know that's a big thing.

1640
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:48.039
<v Speaker 1>But you would, I know, I know. But we're thinking

1641
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:49.199
<v Speaker 1>about rational took.

1642
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:52.560
<v Speaker 3>From a slit on the door, knock her, screaming her

1643
01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:54.079
<v Speaker 3>head off all that time.

1644
01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:57.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's what triggered him to come.

1645
01:25:57.279 --> 01:25:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's still she needed to do that. No,

1646
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.239
<v Speaker 3>I won't want to meet late, right, But no, it's crazy.

1647
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying I think we're a little better about

1648
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:08.880
<v Speaker 3>that now. I would hope. I don't know, but that's crazy.

1649
01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:09.720
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

1650
01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm to the end here now. After one of his

1651
01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:16.880
<v Speaker 1>early trials, cotting Him tried to kill himself by slicing

1652
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>his wrists with broken glass from his eyeglasses actually so

1653
01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>he focus on live, tried to kill himself, and while

1654
01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:27.079
<v Speaker 1>in prison, he attempted suicide again by trying to ode

1655
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:31.279
<v Speaker 1>on medication. I think it was antidepressants. Okay, Now today,

1656
01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Richard Cottingham, he's still alive. He's seventy eight years old,

1657
01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>he's in very poor health, and he has absolutely no

1658
01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>possibility of parole. Well, no held die in prison and good,

1659
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, good riddance when it finally happens.

1660
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:51.479
<v Speaker 3>Fuck this guy, Yeah, okay, I wonder So obviously the

1661
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:54.920
<v Speaker 3>police were looking for this cereal, but they only knew

1662
01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:57.560
<v Speaker 3>and probably were only chasing a guy who killed two

1663
01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:02.039
<v Speaker 3>well sorry, who committed two crimes with three people because

1664
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.479
<v Speaker 3>he killed two it at once. But like these hotel

1665
01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:09.079
<v Speaker 3>specific fire decapitation type, that's when people probably. I mean

1666
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:12.960
<v Speaker 3>authorities actually took notice. No way anybody was looking for

1667
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:16.760
<v Speaker 3>him and those other previous murders, because strangulation seems to

1668
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.960
<v Speaker 3>be like top tier reason to kill someone to begin with.

1669
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's there's really you know, and.

1670
01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:25.079
<v Speaker 3>Also not connecting the New Jersey murders either. All that,

1671
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:27.199
<v Speaker 3>all that must have been so surprising, like, oh shit,

1672
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:28.920
<v Speaker 3>this guy's been killing from right.

1673
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Fuck. There's never an indication that early on they thought

1674
01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:35.199
<v Speaker 1>were dealing with a serial killer, right.

1675
01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if they were thinking that, well, we taught

1676
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.520
<v Speaker 3>him before we killed so many, Like no pre killed many.

1677
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:40.600
<v Speaker 3>You just didn't know about it.

1678
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.159
<v Speaker 1>There's more to write, he says, one hundred some investigators believe.

1679
01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's that high. I think I

1680
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:49.439
<v Speaker 1>definitely think there's more. I definitely think there's more that

1681
01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>we don't about.

1682
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wouldn't say one hundred either. I think if

1683
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:52.520
<v Speaker 3>there's more.

1684
01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>It could be a you know, again, going to New York.

1685
01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:57.439
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know that there was a.

1686
01:27:57.439 --> 01:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Lot of desperation, a lot of people down and out.

1687
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:01.439
<v Speaker 3>I give him another dozen one.

1688
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:04.199
<v Speaker 1>There could have been a lot of easy pickings, man,

1689
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:07.279
<v Speaker 1>which is really sad, But it could be that high.

1690
01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Who knows he this was a fucking sick, deranged individual

1691
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:14.319
<v Speaker 1>who blended in perfectly right.

1692
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm ridiculously normal.

1693
01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>He was right the quote no one saw this guy CD,

1694
01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:23.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, which is terrifying. It's fucking terrifying.

1695
01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:24.399
<v Speaker 3>Even the way he was a serial killer. He was

1696
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:26.119
<v Speaker 3>a ridiculously normal serial killer.

1697
01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:28.199
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think he was.

1698
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Speaker 3>No, he wasn't saying a very like toophy room.

1699
01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1700
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh but when it gets to decat familiar cutting off

1701
01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:38.920
<v Speaker 3>the ball, I meant, like, what gets them there?

1702
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:43.279
<v Speaker 1>I see, you know, I guess so that's that's the

1703
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the Times Square killer. But Richard ctting him the

1704
01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Torso killer?

1705
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:51.079
<v Speaker 3>Was he called that before he was caught, like a

1706
01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:52.079
<v Speaker 3>newspaper killer.

1707
01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe. So that came after the fact, once

1708
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>he started piecing everything together. Yeah, crazy, though.

1709
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Not many Times Score killings, so as you imagine, no to.

1710
01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Be nicknamed the Time Square killing. So I mean, uh

1711
01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>final thoughts.

1712
01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:12.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh No, No, I think I said it. I think

1713
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:14.640
<v Speaker 3>I gave my pH any anything particular with you, like,

1714
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:15.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm good.

1715
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:19.039
<v Speaker 1>I need to I need to go rinse off. This

1716
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>is makes me feel dirty talking about this stuff. I'm good, Oscar,

1717
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:53.239
<v Speaker 1>take us home, you beautiful man, oh, thank you? And

1718
01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>TikTok or Instagram and seeing these whiskey bottles in the

1719
01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>shape of like Jaws or Jack Torrens or there was

1720
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:05.119
<v Speaker 1>another one. Have you seen him?

1721
01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:08.479
<v Speaker 3>No, I get nothing alcohol related.

1722
01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Katie got me the Jaws one for my birthday?

1723
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:14.279
<v Speaker 3>And was your birthday recently?

1724
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yesterday?

1725
01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Is it yesterday?

1726
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Ready?

1727
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sorry, I have your birthday. I didn't know that.

1728
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:23.960
<v Speaker 3>But then, to be fair, I don't think i've ever

1729
01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:29.239
<v Speaker 3>have I ever celebrated your birthday? Probably on the day, yeah,

1730
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:29.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1731
01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh, maybe not.

1732
01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:36.640
<v Speaker 3>On the day. You know, I usually rely on in

1733
01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:38.439
<v Speaker 3>the old days, I would rely on Facebook.

1734
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh you don't go on Facebook, and.

1735
01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:41.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't do it anymore. So I don't know anybody's

1736
01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:45.239
<v Speaker 3>birthday no more, you know. By the way, I recommend

1737
01:30:45.279 --> 01:30:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you're a fan, but I recommend

1738
01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:49.279
<v Speaker 3>the New Final Destination.

1739
01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I really want to see it.

1740
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:51.439
<v Speaker 3>It's really fun.

1741
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I like them all.

1742
01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:54.880
<v Speaker 3>It's really good. I do like them all too. They're

1743
01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:58.560
<v Speaker 3>all on on HBO right now, all five or six whatever.

1744
01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:02.760
<v Speaker 3>So this new was good, Yeah, very good, very cool.

1745
01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:04.840
<v Speaker 3>They do a spin on the whole thing. They have

1746
01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:06.399
<v Speaker 3>their own kind of take on it, but they stay

1747
01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:10.079
<v Speaker 3>within the universe. Really yeah, I kind of agree with that.

1748
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Pretty two or three, pretty gruesome kills. I'm like, oh shit,

1749
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:19.119
<v Speaker 3>yeah that's cool. A whole head gets fucking smashed.

1750
01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I think one of the coolest kills I've seen lately

1751
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:26.399
<v Speaker 1>was in that Horrible movie where.

1752
01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:31.119
<v Speaker 3>It was like, from Jason's point of view, you're talking yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1753
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:33.960
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about the violent nature.

1754
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That was probably the coolest kill I've seen lately.

1755
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:40.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was cool.

1756
01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:42.439
<v Speaker 1>Are you recording right now?

1757
01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:43.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1758
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>The voices sound fine, so.

1759
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Words uh yeah, yeah, you so fine. I would have

1760
01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:47.920
<v Speaker 3>said it.

1761
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Does sound okay, yeah, alright, cool.

1762
01:31:54.800 --> 01:32:03.039
<v Speaker 3>He's not good what I'm gonna say. Yeah, So, I

1763
01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:07.479
<v Speaker 3>really liked it. I do highly recommend. It's not like

1764
01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.720
<v Speaker 3>my favorite or anything, but it's it's up there. Man,

1765
01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:16.319
<v Speaker 3>It's like two or three. It's really good. Pretty good.

1766
01:32:17.319 --> 01:32:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Made me think of a lot.

1767
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe one.

1768
01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I we watched the whole series and they did, so

1769
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:26.119
<v Speaker 3>that was one. I've been playing. It's a badass new game,

1770
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:27.760
<v Speaker 3>but it's a horror so I don't know if you care.

1771
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:31.279
<v Speaker 3>Since I've been playing this puzzle game and addicted to it. Clearly,

1772
01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:37.199
<v Speaker 3>it's a puzzle game where you're an heir to an

1773
01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:40.199
<v Speaker 3>inheritance a mansion or in the states as sure in

1774
01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:44.039
<v Speaker 3>the state, and the whole time you're playing is that

1775
01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:47.640
<v Speaker 3>you're part of the conditions of the inheritance if you

1776
01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:53.920
<v Speaker 3>want it. Is that you have to explore this massive house.

1777
01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:58.920
<v Speaker 3>But every time, every day is different. Every day when

1778
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:01.319
<v Speaker 3>you open a new door, it's going to be a

1779
01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:05.680
<v Speaker 3>different room one of three possibilities that you can choose.

1780
01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:09.119
<v Speaker 3>You basically lay out the mansion as you go, and

1781
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:12.359
<v Speaker 3>it's like each room will have a puzzle sometimes, and

1782
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:15.279
<v Speaker 3>there's grander puzzles overall that you have to figure out

1783
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:17.960
<v Speaker 3>and solve. There's a lot of history about the family

1784
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.520
<v Speaker 3>and stuff. A lot of interesting puzzles too, Like there's

1785
01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:23.640
<v Speaker 3>a boiler room. You have to connect to power of

1786
01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:25.199
<v Speaker 3>this thing, to power of that room.

1787
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Like escape room almost.

1788
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is escape room mansion style.

1789
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:30.359
<v Speaker 1>That's cool.

1790
01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:33.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of fun. I've been addicted. Like, dude,

1791
01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I just figured out how to drain the reservoir. I'm like,

1792
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:37.760
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to explore that. I almost didn't come.

1793
01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:43.800
<v Speaker 3>And there's a real hustle game down there, the taxi

1794
01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:48.319
<v Speaker 3>hustle game. It's crazy, really, it must be how women

1795
01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:51.520
<v Speaker 3>feel being cat called. I felt like, Jesus, I'm a

1796
01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:52.159
<v Speaker 3>tempt taken.

1797
01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>We have a tax Did you speak Spanish pretty much

1798
01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:56.319
<v Speaker 1>whole time you're down there? Or did you speak No?

1799
01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:58.359
<v Speaker 3>And the resort not very often? I mean to the

1800
01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:00.560
<v Speaker 3>employee is sure when I was at their shop, so yeah,

1801
01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:04.119
<v Speaker 3>of course, but like in general, no, never speaks English.

1802
01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1803
01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:06.279
<v Speaker 3>So all white people, different types of white people.

1804
01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>When you talk to the workers shoppenders and you spoke

1805
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:11.840
<v Speaker 1>their language, were they more cool with you? Did they

1806
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>give you deals or anything?

1807
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:17.439
<v Speaker 3>Or they're just like they seem nicer about it. Yeah, overall,

1808
01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:20.359
<v Speaker 3>but not not again any special treatment that I noticed,

1809
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:23.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, they just care if you tip them one

1810
01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:25.600
<v Speaker 3>of I guess, right, that's really it.

1811
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe they'd be like one of us, one

1812
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:27.920
<v Speaker 1>of us.

1813
01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:30.760
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think so. I don't think so. But

1814
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:34.399
<v Speaker 3>I also didn't notice a lot of the Hispanics that

1815
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:37.520
<v Speaker 3>were there on vacation either. But that makes sense. I

1816
01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:39.079
<v Speaker 3>guess why would they go there the.

1817
01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Bealification in the journey or something.

1818
01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:44.800
<v Speaker 3>But also we do vacation you went to New Orleans

1819
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:46.439
<v Speaker 3>all the time, but that's in their own country, so

1820
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:49.039
<v Speaker 3>it's not like out of the realm of possibility, right right.

1821
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:53.840
<v Speaker 3>But overall, No, I didn't notice many No and again

1822
01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:57.279
<v Speaker 3>special treatment. I made jokes with us howel girls every

1823
01:34:57.279 --> 01:34:59.279
<v Speaker 3>once in a while. No, not that.

1824
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Why was it expecting like these crazy sex compaid stories

1825
01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>with you?

1826
01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:06.359
<v Speaker 3>No, I felt like and not that I had to

1827
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:08.439
<v Speaker 3>be tamed, but I just never I never felt it.

1828
01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:10.039
<v Speaker 3>Like I usually go with a vibe and then if

1829
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:12.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't feel it, I don't do anything. If I

1830
01:35:12.199 --> 01:35:13.039
<v Speaker 3>feel it, I'll do something.

1831
01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1832
01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:16.439
<v Speaker 3>That's really how it work, all right, right, Yeah, okay,

1833
01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:19.359
<v Speaker 3>did not see many opportunities. A lot of people with

1834
01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:22.159
<v Speaker 3>families are also. I wasn't like only adults, they were

1835
01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:24.399
<v Speaker 3>only adult area, sure, like at night or whatever.

1836
01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>But like and who got married cloud?

1837
01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:29.840
<v Speaker 3>No greg Remergreg? Yeah you played played poker with him?

1838
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Or like thirty years ago.

1839
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:34.439
<v Speaker 3>He got married? Good to the girlfriend he had thirty

1840
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:37.680
<v Speaker 3>years ago? Same girl? Okay, yeah, good, good for that. Yeah,

1841
01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:40.399
<v Speaker 3>and Raf went yeah he was the best man.

1842
01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Was he really nice? And he didn't even have you

1843
01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>stand up? Have me? Yeah? Why groomsman? You've known him

1844
01:35:47.039 --> 01:35:47.760
<v Speaker 1>for thirty years.

1845
01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, we're not friends like that really, but you

1846
01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:52.760
<v Speaker 3>went to his wedding like a destination with I mean, well,

1847
01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:56.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm friends like that. I'm like, oh, like, way to

1848
01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:59.000
<v Speaker 3>give me? Like this sucks like flirting with them.

1849
01:35:59.199 --> 01:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>They won't care.

1850
01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:01.199
<v Speaker 3>No, well I care?

1851
01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, good, that's good.

1852
01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:05.880
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't before. I didn't know for a long time,

1853
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:09.520
<v Speaker 3>but I do now, you know, And it's an overall thing,

1854
01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.119
<v Speaker 3>like it's it's too close to fucking where I eat,

1855
01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:14.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, like you know they know people

1856
01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:16.640
<v Speaker 3>that I know. You know, it's a complete stranger. I

1857
01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:18.640
<v Speaker 3>would never know that. Why would I care? But like

1858
01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:23.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's limits. It's never good.

1859
01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's not.

1860
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:27.479
<v Speaker 3>It's more of a scay in a fun way, but

1861
01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:27.960
<v Speaker 3>it's not good.

1862
01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Say you should come and walking with us tomorrow.

1863
01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:34.239
<v Speaker 3>I would love to. I need to work. I need

1864
01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:35.920
<v Speaker 3>to make money. If I make a certain amount, I

1865
01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:36.600
<v Speaker 3>would love to come.

1866
01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Up because it's you know, for my birthday and.

1867
01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:41.479
<v Speaker 3>All for your birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Angelo Bono and Kenneth Angelo Bono Junior. Let's

1869
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<v Speaker 1>stop market, can.

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<v Speaker 3>You oh for real?

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01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I hate that guy's name. You don't have to

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01:36:55.079 --> 01:37:00.319
<v Speaker 3>say it. Where do I start blah?

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01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:03.720
<v Speaker 1>What would you say blassy?

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01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:06.319
<v Speaker 3>It's the thing is that it's because in English language

1876
01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:09.760
<v Speaker 3>we write different a's all over the place.

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01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>And again it does we don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't explain those differences. Other languages they do try

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01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:16.640
<v Speaker 3>to explain, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, you know blasse blass.

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01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Blast blah blast blah. I don't think it's bla.

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01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:30.439
<v Speaker 1>B l A s E mark above the e. Does

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<v Speaker 1>it mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Blasse blasse blasse blass.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna say, I read blasse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe like that done. But that's the thing that

1887
01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.479
<v Speaker 3>other you know, other languages do try to explain their

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01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:45.159
<v Speaker 3>differences on those bowels, but we don't.

1889
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Figure it out exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why no one likes her language either.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloss. We're can say blass right, yeah, bos.

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<v Speaker 3>Bloss.

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01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen this new series called yeah, called Rogan.

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01:38:06.680 --> 01:38:09.000
<v Speaker 3>The Studio, the Studio. Yeah, I've heard great things. I'm

1895
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:11.079
<v Speaker 3>gonna start it. I'm gonna start it. I just haven't

1896
01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:11.520
<v Speaker 3>seen it.

1897
01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:14.039
<v Speaker 1>I resisted because I don't like that Rogan crew.

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01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Like oh, I thought you were gonna say you don't

1899
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:17.560
<v Speaker 3>like movies about movies.

1900
01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Like Seth Rogan James Franco, Dave Franco, like all that

1901
01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>little that click that click. I don't get into them,

1902
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:26.159
<v Speaker 1>but this is it's a pretty good show.

1903
01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:29.399
<v Speaker 3>So you know, like knocked up or this is the end, or.

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01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Of course I do. I just don't want to like it.

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01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:35.000
<v Speaker 3>You're resistance even though you like it.

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01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this show is good.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if it's what's the equivalent of that. It's like,

1908
01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:41.680
<v Speaker 3>it's like admitting that you like all American rejects, but

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01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:45.199
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to say it all out right. Have

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01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:48.560
<v Speaker 3>you heard? Okay, so everyone's been talking to me about this.

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01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:52.640
<v Speaker 3>I saw on TikTok that they did a surprise literally

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<v Speaker 3>surprised out of the blue concert and someone's backyard in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>No way, not in Chicago, but like somewhere close to Chicago. Yeah,

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01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.359
<v Speaker 3>like less than two weeks ago. Wow, And this was

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<v Speaker 3>on my TikTok. I saw one huge. Yeah they're huge.

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01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:08.359
<v Speaker 3>I know they're huge. Wha yeah, I mean still just

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01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:11.520
<v Speaker 3>be whatever. They're huge. I know that. I saw my feed.

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<v Speaker 3>I you order right away. I don't care for sh

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01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:16.079
<v Speaker 3>about them. I never liked them, but I swear to God,

1920
01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:18.720
<v Speaker 3>my brother fucking comes up to me or my old

1921
01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:21.560
<v Speaker 3>Starbucks employee friends come up to me. They're like, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you see this video about I don't know, fuck about

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<v Speaker 3>the American bea check. I'm like, what makes you think

1924
01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:31.560
<v Speaker 3>this is news worthy to me? So that's why I

1925
01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:34.840
<v Speaker 3>had it in my head? And and like why the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Who the like?

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<v Speaker 3>Never bring me this week ass new ship again? Sorry

1928
01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:42.880
<v Speaker 3>yelling by the third person, that third person, Sorry for

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01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:44.760
<v Speaker 3>that person. The third time I get told, I'm like,

1930
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<v Speaker 3>motherfucker if you start getting angry at people for no reason,

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, I just I just want to tell you

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<v Speaker 3>they keep to Chicago.

1933
01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Who g is a fuck?

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01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Who comes to Chicago?

1935
01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Chicago too?

1936
01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:55.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1937
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<v Speaker 1>And fuck you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny. I thought it was like, oh man,

1939
01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:05.279
<v Speaker 3>that guy. They sound like every other band from that

1940
01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:07.159
<v Speaker 3>era too. I can't tell them apart, and I really

1941
01:40:07.159 --> 01:40:09.159
<v Speaker 3>can't tell. Most of them are nothing. You meet You're

1942
01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:11.399
<v Speaker 3>right playing White T's They sound the same that picked

1943
01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:13.920
<v Speaker 3>that band at this small Ville intro. They'll frame to me.

1944
01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:17.039
<v Speaker 3>Many kept saying like, did they do that song from Smallville?

1945
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:18.840
<v Speaker 3>But like no, that was this band, like fucking the

1946
01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:21.880
<v Speaker 3>same bro, they looked funk, sound the same, same three

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01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:25.239
<v Speaker 3>chords or whatever. It's nonsense anarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of that, there's a there's a cool kind of

1949
01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:31.119
<v Speaker 1>little punkish kind of bar in Milwaukee, kind of down

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01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the street from Shakers. Have you gone to Shakers with us?

1951
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:34.720
<v Speaker 1>The Haunted place?

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't. The only Milwaukee I've been with you is

1953
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:41.520
<v Speaker 3>is Fither Fister Fister. That's the only time I've been Tomorrow, Okay,

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01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:42.800
<v Speaker 3>So what was.

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01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>A cool little punk bar they got pool table ship Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Feiserve Stadium. Okay, that's what you're thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna start over with Valiant Valerie and Street

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<v Speaker 3>Valerie on the Street, Valerie an Street, I know, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 3>do you
