Speaker 1: Greene's Society Tations. Everyone a Rich wils I'm looking to
Speaker 1: Fantasy Baseball Live. Today is January eighteenth, about three point
Speaker 1: thirty in the afternoon. As always, I'm here with my
Speaker 1: good buddy Tim McCleod, and Tim has gotten a new headset.
Speaker 1: Tim and I just recorded a podcast where we talked
Speaker 1: about that at length. But timmy sound good? Do you
Speaker 1: say they're lightweight? Tim sent me picture of the box
Speaker 1: and maybe I'll buy them myself.
Speaker 2: Tim, okay, Yeah. The ourist thing I'm having trouble getting
Speaker 2: used to is the fact that they were so light.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like they're on my head. The other
Speaker 2: ones were like a tighter seal around the years, and
Speaker 2: I knew they I knew they were there. This one here,
Speaker 2: it's you can't even tell. You can't even tell you're
Speaker 2: wearing them. They're like air, very.
Speaker 1: Very like voice link one hundreds. Anything that's got a
Speaker 1: number next to Timmy's got to be.
Speaker 2: Good, right, Well, I would I would think so, yeah,
Speaker 2: or else we wouldn't do our prospect in ranking list, right,
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. So Tim House, how's life and this week
Speaker 1: doing well?
Speaker 2: Actually, I've had a cold most of the week. I
Speaker 2: spent most of it in bed. I just just feeling
Speaker 2: a little bit beat up. There's an influenza B virus
Speaker 2: going around our neck of the woods, and being that
Speaker 2: I move people around in a vehicle, if there's something
Speaker 2: going on on out there, usually managed to stumble into it.
Speaker 2: But you know, our hospital and our our nursing home
Speaker 2: are both under strict masking protocol right now because they've
Speaker 2: had breakouts at both. So hey, Rods, you're gonna gonna
Speaker 2: catch it and caught it. But you'll love our weather
Speaker 2: forecast for today, Rich it's a jam.
Speaker 1: Got what is it?
Speaker 2: We're not going to get much snow, but we don't
Speaker 2: have to because they're calling for winds between forty and
Speaker 2: fifty miles an hour.
Speaker 1: Oh gez, say no more. It doesn't matter how cold
Speaker 1: it is. It's going to be cold.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's going to be cold. And even though we're
Speaker 2: not getting snow, with that amount of wind, it just
Speaker 2: blows around and drifts all over the place. So I
Speaker 2: don't plan on leaving the host today. I might not
Speaker 2: even plan on leaving the host until Wednesday. I'm going
Speaker 2: to let this thing go through and fulfill its course.
Speaker 2: And then venture out into the real world after that.
Speaker 1: I think, well, we were supposed to go to a
Speaker 1: wedding or wedding reception or something wedding related with a
Speaker 1: seven year old woman who is getting married. Yeah, Laurie knows,
Speaker 1: but unfortunate Laura got sick. I've had an off and
Speaker 1: on cold just knows. But Laurie's been she's been down
Speaker 1: last couple of days. Yeah, so she just didn't feel
Speaker 1: good going there. So so yeah, so that was that,
Speaker 1: and then then hopefully we'll be well tomorrow. We got
Speaker 1: a We've had a big week in baseball, Timmy, and
Speaker 1: so we're going to talk about that. We're also going
Speaker 1: to talk about Tim's third base rankings, which is just
Speaker 1: good stuff and Tim's I think if the third base
Speaker 1: rankings Tim went outside of where a lot of these
Speaker 1: players are going, I think that's really important because you're
Speaker 1: going to see some value, at least from Tim's perspective,
Speaker 1: where you can get this. So stayed with us through
Speaker 1: the whole show because I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: a really good, really good stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, the word controversial might come into these rankings
Speaker 2: today on one or two occasions, anyways.
Speaker 1: That is for sure, Timmy. Let's talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the elephant of the room, and that is the Dodgers
Speaker 1: sign Kyle Tucker. And I had forgotten that when you
Speaker 1: and I do are ill Fate at Sean. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we can need to do it, but every
Speaker 1: year we do an ill fitting show trying to figure
Speaker 1: out where guys are going to sign. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember we we both had Kyle Tucker
Speaker 1: going to the Dodgers, and which that was back two
Speaker 1: months ago. I'd forgotten about that. And when he signed,
Speaker 1: I kind of laughed out loud when the Dodgers signed him, thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: really the Dodgers, And then then you just see the
Speaker 1: crazy aav that was. He was signed for fifty seven
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Obviously there's money deferred and all
Speaker 1: because that's what the Dodgers do, but they paid him
Speaker 1: a ton of money to play for a couple of
Speaker 1: years and then he can opt out. And I just
Speaker 1: wanted to know your thoughts when you heard the news,
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the deal, your thoughts on the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Et cetera. Yeah, it Dodgers have the money to throw
Speaker 2: her around, and they are throwing it around. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 2: the J's have The J's have a ton of resources
Speaker 2: available to them, and they've been making some moves this
Speaker 2: off season. Uh, I wasn't surprised. Hey, Dodgers want want
Speaker 2: to win. They got the money. They're spending it on
Speaker 2: these players and improving their odds of doing exactly what
Speaker 2: every team wants to do. And that's when the World Series.
Speaker 2: You know, as far as the comments about ruining baseball, this, this, this,
Speaker 2: and hey, they're playing with the rules, within the rules.
Speaker 2: The problem isn't with the Dodgers. The problems with the
Speaker 2: rules in play. The Dodgers have a ton of financial
Speaker 2: resources available to the courtesy of the the big TV deal,
Speaker 2: and the J's are in the same boat. They own
Speaker 2: sports Net. Okay, the Rogers family that the Garagers Corporation
Speaker 2: is is stacked. There's lots of money in some organizations,
Speaker 2: not so much in others. That hey, they're playing within
Speaker 2: the rules. What has to happen is the rules have
Speaker 2: to change. And that's where we're going to see problems
Speaker 2: around about next December first, because again, the owners are
Speaker 2: going to want the players to bail them out of
Speaker 2: a problem, and the owners have to find a way
Speaker 2: to bail themselves out of that problem before they go
Speaker 2: after the players.
Speaker 1: Let's let's kind of talk about what Tim. Let's drill
Speaker 1: down to what Tim is talking about. So the national
Speaker 1: TV contract is split evenly amongst the teams, So that's right,
Speaker 1: that's not inequality difference. The inequality comes in the local
Speaker 1: TV contracts. Tim, do you want to maybe you know this,
Speaker 1: what do the Dodgers get annually from local television rates?
Speaker 2: I haven't I haven't actually dugged it up, dug it up,
Speaker 2: but the numbers that I'm seeing are somewhere in the
Speaker 2: area of three hundred and thirty to three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars annually coming out of their local.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we didn't do against the player because you
Speaker 1: nailed it. It's three hundred and thirty four million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. To give you give you a counter argument,
Speaker 1: the Orioles are, you know, kind of in the bottom
Speaker 1: third of size. Their TV contract is fifty eight million dollars,
Speaker 1: so you're talking a six x difference between the two.
Speaker 1: Further complicating the math is a lot of the local
Speaker 1: TV contracts have gone away, and a lot of those
Speaker 1: teams have been absorbed by Major League Baseball and they're
Speaker 1: streaming through major League Baseball and they're getting very little
Speaker 1: from a local TV contract. So the Dodgers and the Yankees,
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, we find out what the Yankees
Speaker 1: local TV contract is. That's the big difference is the
Speaker 1: amount of money coming into the Dodgers is so much
Speaker 1: more than what it's coming in from most teams. And
Speaker 1: the Dodgers have made the decision right and good on
Speaker 1: them to spend the money as opposed to pocket the money.
Speaker 1: But it has created a big problem for Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has. The Jays are owned by Rogers. Our
Speaker 2: largest sports network is sports Net. They carry all the
Speaker 2: Jays games. Guess who owns sports Net? Rogers. We don't
Speaker 2: even we don't even know what the Chase are making
Speaker 2: on local money because they own the network that does
Speaker 2: all their games. All that advertising money is going into
Speaker 2: that massive pot called Rogers Communications. Yeah, teams like Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: your small market, they don't have those resources. You're talking
Speaker 2: apples and oranges and big apples and small oranges.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Yankees local TV contract is
Speaker 1: AI is saying one hundred and forty three million dollars.
Speaker 1: That was in twenty twenty two. But it might look
Speaker 1: like the Yankees can't even compete with the Dodgers from
Speaker 1: a financial maneuvering standpoint. And I think I think it
Speaker 1: was Ken Rosenthal who wrote an article about this in
Speaker 1: the last couple of days that he was talking with
Speaker 1: someone in baseball who had not heard about the deal yet,
Speaker 1: and when Rosenthal told him about the deal, he goes, well,
Speaker 1: that's going to be a big problem. There's going to
Speaker 1: be a big lockout over it. You know. It's just
Speaker 1: the teams have had enough of the Dodgers just kind
Speaker 1: of doing this, and so now you not only have
Speaker 1: the players fighting with the owners, but now you might
Speaker 1: have owners fighting with other owners.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a that's a given that owners are
Speaker 2: fighting with owners. But there's an easy way to resolve
Speaker 2: that situation, I believe. Okay, right now, there is a
Speaker 2: the luxury tax or whatever, and instead of thirty percent
Speaker 2: in the first year, make it one hundred percent. Instead
Speaker 2: of fifty per second year violations, make it two hundred percent,
Speaker 2: make it three hundred percent in the third year. Okay,
Speaker 2: if teams are right now following the rules to the
Speaker 2: game and they can afford to pay, i e. The Dodgers,
Speaker 2: they can afford to pay the penalties, make the penalties
Speaker 2: at the stage where teams can't afford them, and that
Speaker 2: would provide a great equalizer and one that keeps the
Speaker 2: word salary cap out of the discussion because players don't
Speaker 2: want ahead in that direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a that's a non starter. If
Speaker 1: the counters start to pull a push for that, we
Speaker 1: could have an extensive, extensive lockout and it probably will
Speaker 1: never still be a salary cap.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not a I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: top a resolvable topic looking at caps. So if you're
Speaker 2: not going to look at caps and you're trying to
Speaker 2: equalize the game, how else do you do it? Penalize
Speaker 2: those to the point where they can't afford to pay
Speaker 2: the penalties.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thought I had was maybe start to
Speaker 1: make the local TV contracts part of the overall pool,
Speaker 1: and particularly if teams don't have local TV contracts, And
Speaker 1: I mean, you think that the league needs to look
Speaker 1: at it as the league and not as the separate
Speaker 1: franchises within the league. You know, the NFL does such
Speaker 1: a great job, and the NFL just prints money, and
Speaker 1: they look at the whole thing league wide as opposed
Speaker 1: to we're all making money or we're all losing money.
Speaker 1: There's not going to be rich teams and poor teams.
Speaker 1: And consequently, I mean, the owners are filthy rich in
Speaker 1: football and they're just making pandover fist and money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem in baseball would be you institute whatever
Speaker 2: type of program you have, and there are going to
Speaker 2: be teams that are going to spend money, the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: the Yankees, and then there are going to be teams
Speaker 2: where the owners are going to say, screw that, we're
Speaker 2: putting everything in our pocket and we're not going to
Speaker 2: spend the We're not going to spend ten cents. And
Speaker 2: until you get everybody on the same page any sort
Speaker 2: of revenue sharing on local money, that gets a little
Speaker 2: bit tough. Like I don't think I don't think management
Speaker 2: and the players have a problem resolving things. I think
Speaker 2: it's management and management is where your problem lies. And
Speaker 2: that's a big problem, a huge problem. As long as
Speaker 2: you've got the guys that are going to nickel and
Speaker 2: dime everybody to death. Are they going to even in
Speaker 2: a cap situation? Are they going to spend the cap?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll put the money in their pocket, and it
Speaker 2: defeats the purpose of the whole exercise, right, But which
Speaker 2: is equalization?
Speaker 1: I think within like football, there is a minimum and
Speaker 1: there's there's a maximum, and it's a pretty small band,
Speaker 1: so you've got to spend the money. And I think
Speaker 1: those caps kind of would have to go hand in
Speaker 1: hand with the sharing of local revenue. I totally agree
Speaker 1: with you there, But again, the Caps are probably also
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what's scary about this and looking at the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: seventh season, is how are they going to figure this out?
Speaker 2: I all I know is that Rob Manfrein's whirlwind tour
Speaker 2: tour explaining all of the pros, caps, et cetera. It
Speaker 2: is a waste of Rob Manfred's time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he wants to go on a promo tour,
Speaker 2: pick a different topic because the one he's picked is
Speaker 2: not going to strengthen or you know, the player's position
Speaker 2: on the way through. Hey, baseball's come, baseball has there's
Speaker 2: money goal or in baseball, it's just about who's making it.
Speaker 2: And again, there's got to be something in place so
Speaker 2: that owners simply don't take take all the freebies out
Speaker 2: of life. Like the Dodgers will turn around and say, well, hey, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: you made more money than us last year. Why should
Speaker 2: we succumb to a system. You know that, in fact,
Speaker 2: you made more money on the bottom line than we
Speaker 2: did last year. We just happened to you spending it
Speaker 2: on players because we want to win. You just happened
Speaker 2: to put it in your pocket because you want to
Speaker 2: get richer. You know, there's lots of money in baseball.
Speaker 2: But I don't know how they're going to sort it out.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know either, And it appears the Dodgers just
Speaker 1: are saying, screw it, We're going to win as many
Speaker 1: championships while we can, and so let's get sorted out
Speaker 1: and look, at some point, the Dodgers will be old.
Speaker 1: They're getting older already, and at some point they might say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've spent enough, we can no longer continue at this
Speaker 1: because they've got all these deferred deals. I think it'll
Speaker 1: kind of go back, you know, equate back to the
Speaker 1: norm the moment. I mean, the Dodgers are simply playing
Speaker 1: a different game than everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And on top of the fact that they're playing
Speaker 2: a different game, they also are a well run franchise.
Speaker 2: Just look at their minor leagues. Yeah, absolutely, Hey, scouting
Speaker 2: from top to bottom. They are a first class organization.
Speaker 2: And how do you fault the Dodgers were playing within
Speaker 2: the rules, playing within the system, and doing what they
Speaker 2: are doing to win titles. You can.
Speaker 1: They took arguably the Dodgers are arguably the best general
Speaker 1: manager in the game of Alex Freeman and from the
Speaker 1: Rays and said, you take all of your smart baseball
Speaker 1: skills and we're going to let you spend as much
Speaker 1: money as you want. And I think you've seen the
Speaker 1: result of that. You've seen a minor league system that's
Speaker 1: a top three minor league system, and it's the best
Speaker 1: major League baseball team by a long shot at the moment.
Speaker 1: On paper, it's it's the best baseball team. Now doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're going to win, but it's the best one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would love to see the look on his
Speaker 2: face when they said, yeah, you didn't Tampa Bay except
Speaker 2: don't worry about money like he probably had a perma
Speaker 2: smile on his face for a week and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually think, in a weird way, I think baseball
Speaker 1: needs the Dodgers to be the Evil Dodgers. They Baseball
Speaker 1: was better when the Yankees were the Evil Yankees. It's
Speaker 1: always good empire the evil empire, right, It's always it's
Speaker 1: always good to have that team that. Like, Look how
Speaker 1: much how close the Blue Jays came to knocking off
Speaker 1: the Dodgers and Timmy, I mean they, I mean they
Speaker 1: were Yamamoto a couple of innings away of Yamamoto not
Speaker 1: pitching well to winning that series. And imagine how sweet
Speaker 1: it's going to be when some team eventually knocks off
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. I think that that David versus Goliath thing
Speaker 1: really plays. And uh, because everybody's going to tune in
Speaker 1: to watch Otani and the Dodgers, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's going to be this little pip squeak
Speaker 1: team called the Blue Jays with Schneider and Clement, who
Speaker 1: are they playing key Roles knocks them off, And I
Speaker 1: think that's going to happen one day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in any given five or seven game series anybody
Speaker 2: can win the trick is getting there to have that opportunity.
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, the Dodgers are the favorite, think of
Speaker 2: the best best team on paper by a long shot.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that they're going to be they're
Speaker 2: going to beat the Jay's or the Yankees or the
Speaker 2: Red Sox or anybody else for that might matter. They Hey,
Speaker 2: they could lose to the diet to the Diamondbacks in
Speaker 2: a five game series. You just don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, so back to fantasy baseball. Obviously, Dodger
Speaker 1: Stadium is good to right hand at power. That helps
Speaker 1: Tucker a little bit. The data says that Tucker doesn't
Speaker 1: have the wheels anymore. He continues to steal bases, but
Speaker 1: the Dodgers are really really good. Why is he going
Speaker 1: to need to steal bases? What do you do? You
Speaker 1: have any up or down on Kyle Tucker or is
Speaker 1: it a where he's gone? Is about the right spot?
Speaker 2: I think it's about the right spot. But I would
Speaker 2: be incredibly shocked. Yeah, and we can say this about
Speaker 2: a lot of players in la very very shocked. If
Speaker 2: he performs to his maximum levels simply because he doesn't
Speaker 2: have to. They can take him and play him part
Speaker 2: time in September once they winched the division. Okay, last
Speaker 2: year he stole a twenty five bases something like that.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's stolen thirty, twenty five and twenty five in
Speaker 2: three of the past four years. Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 2: going to stay steal fifteen to twenty bases. But I
Speaker 2: don't see him see stealing twenty five to thirty Why
Speaker 2: Why would they take it chance on injury in September
Speaker 2: so Kyle Tucker can steal an extra ten bases. That
Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense, does it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's he playing for a contract? Yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: highest it's the highest paid player at the moment. He's
Speaker 1: played more than Otani obviously, more than want Soto, significantly
Speaker 1: more than wan So, and he's not even close to
Speaker 1: the same count where those players are. But so he's
Speaker 1: not going to play for more money because he's already
Speaker 1: paid the most.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So I think he's going to have a
Speaker 2: good year. I think it's the first round talent. Just
Speaker 2: don't expect him to steal thirty five bases or hey
Speaker 2: he could, he could hit thirty one more runs. I
Speaker 2: don't see any problems with that. But I think when
Speaker 2: it comes to the risk part of the game, which
Speaker 2: is stolen bases are every time somebody takes off for
Speaker 2: a second. All it takes is, you know, Spike to
Speaker 2: catch anything at second base, and you could be looking
Speaker 2: at a knee, looking at the army. I just don't
Speaker 2: think he'll run as much.
Speaker 1: But you could argue he's probably gonna score more runs
Speaker 1: and drive in more guys because he's on a better team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna he's a good player. Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 2: if you're playing in ahead to head league, then it
Speaker 2: might be a little disappointing. If you're playing in the
Speaker 2: title and he said three games out of the seven
Speaker 2: in the week you're playing for the title.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question and we're gonna pivot
Speaker 1: over to what the Mets are doing, because I do
Speaker 1: think the two are related. Because the Mets desperately wanted
Speaker 1: to sign Kyle Tucker, uh and they didn't. Obviously, no
Speaker 1: anybody lose playing time because of the Tucker signing. I
Speaker 1: couldn't discern that. I think it does. As we talked
Speaker 1: on the Prospect podcast before we did this, Housweed Depaullensire
Speaker 1: hope and maybe some other guys might be delayed another
Speaker 1: year at least with Tucker's arrival. Anything else that you
Speaker 1: see as an implication for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is one rather big implication. I see, uh
Speaker 2: looking at the middle infield, Okay. Before the Tucker signing, Okay,
Speaker 2: the Dodgers were were looking at a situation where Tommy
Speaker 2: Edmund was going to play in the outfield. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 2: and what and the Dodgers were looking at rolling out
Speaker 2: heis on Kim as their second basement as an everyday player. Well,
Speaker 2: with the Tucker signing, Edmund moves back to second Heisan.
Speaker 2: Kim could be a bench type player. He could play
Speaker 2: at Triple A until needed because of injury. So that's
Speaker 2: the one that is the one big change to the
Speaker 2: everyday lineup and having Kim roster in one league. Timmy
Speaker 2: does not approve of the Tucker signing in light of that,
Speaker 2: but that's that's just it's all about me eating. But
Speaker 2: Kim is not going to get the playing time that
Speaker 2: a week ago it was anticipated he was.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair, that's fair. The I do think
Speaker 1: the same kind of analysis needs to be done with
Speaker 1: the Mets, because again, the Mets wanted the sign Tucker,
Speaker 1: they didn't sign Talcker, so then they pivoted very quickly
Speaker 1: to Bobashett. And sometimes Tim, you're at the right place
Speaker 1: at the right time. And as crazy as a Kyle
Speaker 1: Tucker deal is, the Bobaschett deal is just nuts.
Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't Sid Night.
Speaker 1: This is a good player, but this isn't. He's getting
Speaker 1: forty two million dollars a year. There's an opt out
Speaker 1: after each year, and if he opts out, the Mets
Speaker 1: have to pay him five million dollars from down It's
Speaker 1: like you have another I mean, that's the craziest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Well, not only not only is it hey good for Bolbashet,
Speaker 2: he's cut himself a raft of money. I don't be
Speaker 2: grudge Boulbashett, but it that's just flat out stupid. I'm
Speaker 2: glad that Jays didn't get into that sort of a
Speaker 2: bidding situation because I good on the Mets. I hope
Speaker 2: it works out for him. Do I think it will
Speaker 2: work for them? No, I really don't. I think the
Speaker 2: Mets are gonna rue the five million dollars that they
Speaker 2: don't have to pay because he won't be offting out
Speaker 2: to that deal anytime soon. And I can't see it
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you there as well. I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's I thought it was a crazy contract.
Speaker 1: And again, if Bobaschett was the guy that we saw
Speaker 1: four or five years ago, maybe it was injuries all
Speaker 1: last season, but he was a good he was much
Speaker 1: much better last season. But the power, the data says
Speaker 1: the power is good, not great. The speed is gone.
Speaker 1: You can't play shortstop anymore, so he's playing third base.
Speaker 1: I think it was a panic move by the by the.
Speaker 2: Mets can't disagree. I'm crazy, That's all I can say. Crazy.
Speaker 2: And not only that, it is Hey has created a
Speaker 2: that one signing has created a rather serious shuffle in
Speaker 2: the Mets line up. And when we get to the
Speaker 2: third base rankings, we'll see how crazy it actually is.
Speaker 2: Because I when I did my rankings, I did them
Speaker 2: based on after the deal, not before the deal. So
Speaker 2: there are some huge swings in player rankings as a
Speaker 2: result of this deal. And hey, what do you what
Speaker 2: do you do with Mark Bientto's what do you do
Speaker 2: with Bret Beaty? Orgie Polanco is now your first basement
Speaker 2: in New York. They got a Semion. Okay, they got
Speaker 2: a Shedd at third, they got Lindora Short Uh, they
Speaker 2: got to play polongco so, Riento's and Beady are ony
Speaker 2: on the burger being ones on the outside looking in
Speaker 2: and the others slotted in a DH.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of looked at it as if Tucker
Speaker 1: would have sig Tucker would have signed to the Mets.
Speaker 1: Then Alston Carson Binge's opportunity looks in questioned. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now it sure looks like the Mets are
Speaker 1: going to camp with him getting a really good chance
Speaker 1: to break camp as the Mets corner outfielder, which I
Speaker 1: think is great because I think he's going.
Speaker 2: To be a good player.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, now it creates a shuffle
Speaker 1: in the infield with who's gonna is Battye and or
Speaker 1: Vientzo's even get a shot at plane? And you're suggesting,
Speaker 1: now you're going to see those guys drop, And what
Speaker 1: about our buddy Jet Williams. I mean I think Jet Jet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Jet Willis. If you're Jet Williams, you're on
Speaker 1: the call to your agent going get me in the
Speaker 1: outfield because I could play better than Tyrone Taylor, and
Speaker 1: that's that's gotta be your spot. And I have to
Speaker 1: believe that's where the Mets are going to go. Is
Speaker 1: they're going to start to see Jet Williams in the
Speaker 1: center field a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, they could have if Tucker would have went
Speaker 2: to the Mets, they could have still looked at Benji
Speaker 2: and Tyrone Taylor could have been their fourth outfielder, okay,
Speaker 2: rotating with Benji okay, and then you would have still
Speaker 2: had a situation where Polanco's playing third base. Whatever. You
Speaker 2: could have made it work, okay, a lot easier with
Speaker 2: Viano's and Baby because they they could have made a
Speaker 2: move in the outfield that would have by signing Tucker,
Speaker 2: it automatically improves the outfield. And right now they have
Speaker 2: Benji and Tyrone Taylor slided into the outfield. One of
Speaker 2: those two would be a fourth outfielder type or still
Speaker 2: playing in the minors, and Viano's would have a job
Speaker 2: right or Baby depending on who ends up with it.
Speaker 1: But let's face it, I mean I was worried about
Speaker 1: both of those guys being able to hit at the
Speaker 1: big league level, and it just what I don't even
Speaker 1: want to say that the Mets agree with that. I
Speaker 1: think they panicked and when they didn't get Tucker, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got to get this guy. I'm assuming they talked
Speaker 1: through the logic of what happens to Viensus and Baby,
Speaker 1: but it almost feels like they didn't do. Those guys
Speaker 1: get moved because there's also a first basement that the
Speaker 1: Mets have coming through the minor leagues. It's just about
Speaker 1: ready as well. He's got big boy power.
Speaker 2: So they've also got Ronnie Mauricio and they've got Louis
Speaker 2: Angel Okay, yeah, it's those guys.
Speaker 1: Those guys. If you think Ronnie Mauricio is on rosterble,
Speaker 1: I believe so's Louisa. Unless somebody gets hurt. Those those guys,
Speaker 1: they don't have a job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gonna have to be There's gonna have to
Speaker 2: be some sort of movement. I think I can't see
Speaker 2: them sitting the Entos and or Beady and or Mauricio
Speaker 2: and or and or and or and Or. Something's gonna
Speaker 2: have to give at some point time. And I don't
Speaker 2: think the implications I agree. I think it was a
Speaker 2: little bit of a rush job on behalf of the
Speaker 2: Mets to save face.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And well, Donald on Bobachett's agent, I mean
Speaker 1: he pushed that. It's just a perfect scenario that just
Speaker 1: unfolded for him.
Speaker 2: And look, you got sime.
Speaker 1: In, you got Lindor, and now Bobaschett. Those are three
Speaker 1: of the highest paid guys in baseball. They're gonna play
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty games a year at the respecting position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you mention one sort of Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I was just talking about the infield. So
Speaker 1: anybody like Lois, I'll Goacuna and recently they're going to
Speaker 1: be super subs and they're only going to carry one
Speaker 1: of them, I would think, unless they just decide to
Speaker 1: bail on Tyron Taylor, who was a really good defender.
Speaker 1: So uh, I mean it's it's tough. And then Baddie
Speaker 1: and Vianta's it's four guys for two spots. Good luck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And Ryan Clifford is saying to his agent, Okay,
Speaker 2: find me a team to play on, please quickly.
Speaker 1: I Ryan Clifford, that's the guy you really keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. I think he's going to be a better
Speaker 1: version of Viantas and Baddie and so we'll see. But
Speaker 1: there's no room for him. So there's no point in
Speaker 1: even thinking about drafting them in the draft and hold league.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: No, there's yeah, he's got to climb over half a
Speaker 2: dozen people to get himself in a position for playing time.
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's the second deal, Tim. The third deal, I thought
Speaker 1: it was the most fascinating because it was a trade
Speaker 1: on I always love trade trades, and it was a
Speaker 1: three team deal. The Ray sent your guy Josh low
Speaker 1: to the Angels, the Race sent excuse me, the Reds
Speaker 1: sent Gavin Lucks to the Rays, and then the Reds.
Speaker 1: The Reds got brock Burke from Cincinnati, and Chris Clark
Speaker 1: went from the Angels to Tampa Bay. Not famous guys,
Speaker 1: not big name guys. But another thing that opens up
Speaker 1: maybe a slot for Jacob Melton and Tampa Gavin Luks.
Speaker 1: Can he develop into something. He's going to play second base,
Speaker 1: maybe bat leadoff because of his high one base percentage
Speaker 1: at Tampa. Josh Lowe's gonna play. Can't hit lefties. Help
Speaker 1: me break this down. I mean, do you see anybody
Speaker 1: going up? Do you see anybody going down? Where do
Speaker 1: you see all this going?
Speaker 2: I really don't see it going anywhere.
Speaker 1: So you think it's a stuff moving moving deck chairs
Speaker 1: around on the Titanic, that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I think the biggest hole.
Speaker 1: You like that one? God one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that? Yeah. Yeah, musical chairs and they've
Speaker 2: got the exact same number of chairs as people. That's it.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be fair?
Speaker 1: But I like that Titanic one because as the Titanic
Speaker 1: is going down, you're rearranging the chairs and it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because it's all going down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, uh I I would like to think
Speaker 2: that the possible biggest benefic fishery of this whole mess
Speaker 2: is going to be Jacob Milton. How was that?
Speaker 1: I wrote a very long post to our to our
Speaker 1: Patrons members, and Tim read this, and then I had
Speaker 1: asked my AI engine to give me his thoughts, which
Speaker 1: were Brillian, and he was all over. He was all
Speaker 1: over Jacob Melton. I brought it up, but he was
Speaker 1: all over it, like this is the guy you want.
Speaker 1: He's going to get an opportunity. I reminded him he
Speaker 1: couldn't hit lefties, but he didn't care. He was all in.
Speaker 2: Well, that's where I'm sorry. I think we've seen enough
Speaker 2: of josh Lowell. Okay, we know who he is, we
Speaker 2: know who he can. It's not moving him to the
Speaker 2: Angels is not going to change anything at all. He's
Speaker 2: a platoon player. He might play every day with the Angels.
Speaker 2: But do you want is it bats against lefties? Probably not.
Speaker 1: A slug is to something, it's it's not good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, So from purposes of our game, we'd have
Speaker 2: it rather have and be in a better spot. If
Speaker 2: Joshua is a platoon player, if he plays every day
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, it's actually going to decrease his value.
Speaker 2: I don't think Gavin Lux is the Gavin Lux man
Speaker 2: he thought he might be. So again yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe it's two more home runs or I just don't
Speaker 2: see anything significant happening, except in the case of Jacob Milton.
Speaker 2: If it creates an opportunity there, he might see he's
Speaker 2: going to get a chance, I think now, and I
Speaker 2: sort of like as a late pick, and Jacob Milton
Speaker 2: has moved on to my radar now, So.
Speaker 1: If I could just give a plug for Gavin Lux, Yes,
Speaker 1: I ranked him very high. I thought I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was going to be a
Speaker 1: much better player than he turned out to be. Having
Speaker 1: said that, he does get on base a lot, he
Speaker 1: is a good hitter. He does hit the It doesn't
Speaker 1: hit the ball hard, but it's it's like a twenty
Speaker 1: five ranking an exit velocity eighty eight point six or eight.
Speaker 1: I'm going for a memory here. He has no leverage
Speaker 1: in his swing. It is conceivable. And again this is
Speaker 1: all making shut up as we go through this, sister,
Speaker 1: to try to paint the narrative. If he added he's
Speaker 1: got enough, he's got enough context skills to add leverage
Speaker 1: to his swing, so he could go from five arm
Speaker 1: runs to twelve ish fifteen ish type of fum run
Speaker 1: with a swing change. And he's faster than he's He's
Speaker 1: never stolen bases, but he's got a little bit of speed.
Speaker 1: So there are some elements in there that you can
Speaker 1: sit there and convince yourself there is some upside. How
Speaker 1: much of it's how much it's actually going to play out,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Probably none, but I think there's more
Speaker 1: upside with lucks than there is with Josh Lowe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. If it was anybody other
Speaker 2: than the Rays, I'd probably agree a little bit more.
Speaker 2: But I can see the Rais taking a look and saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: Gavin Lux is a left handed bat, We're going to
Speaker 2: hit it at the top of the order. But no,
Speaker 2: we got to get Ryan Vladi in there as a
Speaker 2: right handed bat. Okay against when there's the same side
Speaker 2: arm going up against Gavin Lucks a.
Speaker 1: Lot still still kicking around? Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: No, he's He's your backup infielder in Tampa Bay and
Speaker 2: possibly platooner with Gavin Lux. It's Tampa Bay. I can't
Speaker 2: I've seen enough to Tampa I can't rule anything out there,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's fair?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first time, the first time Lux goes in
Speaker 2: three games over twelve against South buzz okay, are the
Speaker 2: most teams wouldn't even consider. But the Rays will be
Speaker 2: looking at it, saying, we got to give a Loti
Speaker 2: in there, We got to make a change.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I
Speaker 2: have a hard time getting out of that mindset when
Speaker 2: it comes to the race.
Speaker 1: Yep. I do think the big winner here is Jacob Meltain,
Speaker 1: but again, it does have pretty severe splatoon splits that
Speaker 1: rival that of Josh Lowe, and he could be a
Speaker 1: Josh Low type of player who is reasonable tim. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a guy that you roster her.
Speaker 2: And then then he ends up he ends up platooning
Speaker 2: with Johnny DeLuca or Justin, Henry molloy and Devia. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's yeah and Jake Creley. Yeah, it just sort of
Speaker 2: goes on and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: The one thing I do like about the trade is
Speaker 1: it is a change of scenery for the principles, Josh
Speaker 1: Love and Gavin LUs. I mean, Josh Low needs a
Speaker 1: maybe maybe somebody else, I don't know if it's the Angels,
Speaker 1: but somebody else can help him figure out how to
Speaker 1: pick up left handed pictures coming out. Maybe it's swing
Speaker 1: changes that another organization can have Gavin Lux go through.
Speaker 1: Now again, it's the thirteam for Gavin Lux. So there
Speaker 1: could be some stubbornness involved that he just doesn't want
Speaker 1: to change.
Speaker 2: But and it opens up an opportunity for Sal Stewart.
Speaker 1: Fair point. We didn't talk about Selseiae. Yeah, he's looks
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be a line yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there'll be you know, there's there's more opportunities
Speaker 2: for Sal Stewart. Gavin Lux was not going to be
Speaker 2: a full time player in Cincinnati. Yeah, it's creaty a
Speaker 2: situation where as players. I think every one of the
Speaker 2: players involved in this deal should be happy with the
Speaker 2: deal for the multipart yep. And that's that's yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's not about thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll tend to go on forty minutes to sake
Speaker 1: a quick break and come back talk about third base.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 1: You've been talking for a long time.
Speaker 2: It's been a while.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, mister McLeod. I love your third base rankings,
Speaker 1: particularly because you got some differences with the NFC or
Speaker 1: the ADPs of where they're going. But before we do
Speaker 1: third base, tell me your thoughts on how you were
Speaker 1: approaching third base. I know when you did your first
Speaker 1: couple of drafts you had an opinion. Has that opinion changed,
Speaker 1: has it been refined? Tell us how you're how you're
Speaker 1: approaching third base this season.
Speaker 2: Well, there's only so many holes you can fill with
Speaker 2: early picks, okay, And when I look at third base,
Speaker 2: am I going to pass on Jose Ramirez or Junior Caminero,
Speaker 2: Michael Garca. Am I going to pass on those guys? No,
Speaker 2: of course I'm not. I'm not going to move them
Speaker 2: down my list. I'm going to take them as elite
Speaker 2: players because they are okay, But when in doubt, I'm
Speaker 2: going to look at third base as one of the
Speaker 2: positions that I'm going to move down my list as
Speaker 2: a player in my team build. I think there are
Speaker 2: players at third base that you can get later on
Speaker 2: in drafts that can provide good value and good opportunities,
Speaker 2: and I'll try and take advantage of those opportunities and
Speaker 2: focus on the first five to eight rounds at filling
Speaker 2: the outfield, getting a first base type, a good relief pitcher.
Speaker 2: So you got to push something down. So in my case,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be pushing down third base and looking
Speaker 2: at that middle deal cheer and potential bargains.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen this in a while, that
Speaker 1: there's two Jose Ramirez and Junior caman Era, two third
Speaker 1: basements going in the first round.
Speaker 2: No, and they're both deserving. Yeah, hey Jose Ramirez. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Five consecutive twenty twenty seasons, the last two have been
Speaker 2: thirty thirty. Cavin Arrow is barely out of his teams.
Speaker 2: He's with twenty two and he's hitting forty five home runs. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're both great players and they deserve to be first
Speaker 2: round talents.
Speaker 1: Mike Mike Caveatica with with Jose Ramirez, it's he's The
Speaker 1: data says that he is aging. I don't know when
Speaker 1: the when the downfalls at the right word, when the
Speaker 1: things are going to start to fall off. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen it much at all, but the data does not
Speaker 1: look good underneath all of him. So I'll just throw
Speaker 1: that out there if you if you ADP's five point
Speaker 1: twenty six, totally get it. I'm not going to take
Speaker 1: him to me. I don't want to be holding the
Speaker 1: bag when Poser Ramirez all of a sudden that four
Speaker 1: hundred foot home run turns into three seventy and it's caught.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we the natural oh what's the natural decline
Speaker 2: will occur? Yep. He's getting older each and every year.
Speaker 2: Am I predicting this year he's going to fall off
Speaker 2: the fall off the table. No, I don't think he can.
Speaker 2: But at the same point in time, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Being cognizant. Cognizant of the fact that he is getting
Speaker 2: he is getting older. I don't I highly dote he
Speaker 2: will be on any of my teams this year because
Speaker 2: I'll want to focus in other areas.
Speaker 1: If you haven't been a Dynasty League team, I would
Speaker 1: be selling that's the guy.
Speaker 2: It's a right time. Yeah, much the same as the
Speaker 2: approach we took in Deal five movie Mike Trow we did.
Speaker 2: We probably moved a year a year early on Troe,
Speaker 2: but a year early in a Dynasty League makes all
Speaker 2: the difference in the world. That's compared to moving a
Speaker 2: year late. Huge difference.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Jose Ramirez. Few guys hit as well as
Speaker 1: he does. The powers is not what it used to be.
Speaker 1: It's all leverage home run pop. So just I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you that the data looks like he is five
Speaker 1: foot eight and thirty three years old. So gonna go
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame along with Jose Altuving going
Speaker 1: to be two of the smallest players to have kind
Speaker 1: of put up numbers like they did. It's going to
Speaker 1: be really impressive.
Speaker 2: They've both beaten the odds in a big way and.
Speaker 1: A big way. Totally agree. So one two is Hasiramia
Speaker 1: Junior Camanera. I love Tim's comment on Junior Camerania. It's
Speaker 1: forty five home runs. I mean, as a teenager, twenty
Speaker 1: year old, that's he's gonna Would you be surprised if
Speaker 1: he leads the league for the next five years and
Speaker 1: home runs.
Speaker 2: Not at all? And you yeah, you say, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: But he's moving out of that little bandbox and George Brooks,
Speaker 2: you know, Steinbrenner Stadium. He's moving from Steinbrenner to a
Speaker 2: real park. And take a look to take a look
Speaker 2: at the spray chart and take a look where that
Speaker 2: balls are landing. I don't think it makes a whole
Speaker 2: lot of difference.
Speaker 1: Jassm comes in at number three. Times filing scene the
Speaker 1: light with Michel Garcia coming in at number four, Manny
Speaker 1: Machado five, George Jordan Westbrook at six, Austin Riley drops
Speaker 1: down to seven, Uhenio soars at eight, Alex Bredman at nine.
Speaker 1: Let's do the first nine and then we'll take a break.
Speaker 1: Talk about number ten for an entire segment.
Speaker 2: But well well played, well played.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know what to say here.
Speaker 1: I mean, MIKEL Garcia is look, it was all sitting
Speaker 1: there he's not as fast as we think he is,
Speaker 1: but there's more there's more juice in the in the
Speaker 1: bat too. I think this is a very good player,
Speaker 1: and good on him for learning to be more patient
Speaker 1: at the plate.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing I like about Garcia is I
Speaker 2: looked at his spray turned okay, and you tell you
Speaker 2: it's pretty well to all fields, but there is like
Speaker 2: this little horseshoe halo, you know, the diamond at the
Speaker 2: warning track the shows where all of these balls are landing. Okay. Well,
Speaker 2: they're moving the fences in at Kauflin and I've seen
Speaker 2: some of the projections, you know, boost his home runs
Speaker 2: by one or two. I think in the case of
Speaker 2: Mike tell Garcia, I think it's going to boost his
Speaker 2: home runs by more than one or two moving those
Speaker 2: fences in, and I wouldn't I wouldn't be at all
Speaker 2: shocked if we see five seven more home runs out
Speaker 2: of Garcia this year because of those fences coming in.
Speaker 2: And that's why I've been considerably more aggressive than the
Speaker 2: nfbcquol uh you know, they they've got him at six.
Speaker 2: I think the fences will make a difference, and I
Speaker 2: think just the natural evolution of his game. He's he's
Speaker 2: young still, Okay, I'm expecting good things from Mike Bilgercia
Speaker 2: this year, really good things.
Speaker 1: So to add and just push back just to Smitch
Speaker 1: ever so small it is. It is pool site power right.
Speaker 1: His spray short shows everything going off to the left field.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now, and he hits the
Speaker 1: ball harder than you think. Ninety one point three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and last year he's finally started to show, which I've
Speaker 1: been harping on, a little bit more leverage in a swing.
Speaker 1: It's only at nine point seven degree, Timmy. If he
Speaker 1: just starts to add a little bit more leverage with
Speaker 1: those fences moved in, the power could literally blow up.
Speaker 1: And you could You people think I'm crazy. You could
Speaker 1: see a thirty home run guy sitting there.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're crazy, No, not at all, or
Speaker 2: at least not for that point. Sorry, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: True if you give a shot of.
Speaker 2: That right well, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's not time for
Speaker 2: a group hug yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's like how Garcia. I think, Tim good
Speaker 1: to see Tim see they're like Manny Machado. Oh but
Speaker 1: still you know you got him dann one from where
Speaker 1: the NFC is going. But still solid though.
Speaker 2: See yeah, yeah, it's a lot I you know, I
Speaker 2: started looking at the numbers and yeah, the last season
Speaker 2: where he didn't hit twenty five home runs, it's twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: That's like eleven, twelve years ago. Like mans, he's a
Speaker 2: great talent. I have no problems at all. If you
Speaker 2: decide to look at Manny, Machado is as your your
Speaker 2: choice between him and Garcia, and Machado is a fine player,
Speaker 2: a consistently strong producer.
Speaker 1: Really he is going though in the third round, and
Speaker 1: given his age, it does feel a little high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again everybody looks and says, well, yeah, but
Speaker 2: he's hit twenty five home runs every every year for
Speaker 2: the past ten years. Okay, he's only what thirty two.
Speaker 2: I think he's still fairly young for that because he
Speaker 2: got started when he was like seventeen or what he was.
Speaker 2: You know, he was very very young when he came
Speaker 2: into the game.
Speaker 1: He was an when he first played, coming out at
Speaker 1: third base for the Ools, move to shortstop for a
Speaker 1: while and then back to third base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, back to third base. Yeah, he's a good player,
Speaker 2: and there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I like your aggressiveness on Jordan Westburg. He was one
Speaker 1: of my targets the last couple of years. It's another
Speaker 1: target for me this season. I think he can stay
Speaker 1: healthy again, hits the ball hard. I like the upside
Speaker 1: of Jordan Westburg.
Speaker 2: As do I. You know he's going to stay healthy. Okay,
Speaker 2: he didn't last year, but you know, a little bit
Speaker 2: more than what half a season we saw some hit
Speaker 2: seventeen home runs. Okay. I just believe right now a
Speaker 2: little bit more in Westburgh than I do Riley, Suarez
Speaker 2: and Bregman, and I've moved Westburg up to reflect that.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're looking at Westburg as a ninth round investment. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that in the ninth round. I like it
Speaker 2: a lot Richard, Austin Riley.
Speaker 1: A little down on Austin Riley and from Thames right up,
Speaker 1: it seems more you're worried about him staying healthy. He's
Speaker 1: still hit the ball really hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what he could He could be
Speaker 2: a top three player at third base if he can
Speaker 2: return to the six hundred bad days of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one to twenty twenty three, where he's hitting thirty thirty
Speaker 2: five to forty home runs every year and driving in
Speaker 2: one hundred plus. Yeah, that could happen right now. I
Speaker 2: just after the past two years in the miss time,
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit concerned. And hey, you'd be right
Speaker 2: in saying I could be concerned about Westbrook two all
Speaker 2: of these players, there are areas where we can be concerned.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean they don't have potential. I'm just
Speaker 2: believing a little bit more in one as compared to
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 1: YEP, agreed, And that Alex Bregman at number nine. Is
Speaker 1: it fair to say boring old Alex Bregman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. You look at the numbers
Speaker 2: and yeah, I low twenties home run power, the hit
Speaker 2: tool is great. The only thing that I would recommend
Speaker 2: is don't overpay for the move to Chicago. And he
Speaker 2: is getting up there a little bit. He's what thirty two.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, why would you even think consider overpaying
Speaker 1: for the move to Chicago.
Speaker 2: Because I'm a fan of the Cubs and he's going
Speaker 2: to hit thirty runs, driving one hundred and ten, he's
Speaker 2: going to steal fifteen, you know what I mean. Alex Baggan,
Speaker 2: I think is defined as who he is the move
Speaker 2: to Chicago doesn't really help him. Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he's an OK pick, but he's no number ten
Speaker 2: type pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agreed, Timmy, take a break, come back and
Speaker 1: let's talk, shall we.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm ready to hear that zero zero into the background.
Speaker 1: A ready, so irying to take a little break, little
Speaker 1: potty break. So we're good to go. So, Timmy, we're
Speaker 1: going through your top ten. We did top nine and
Speaker 1: sitting at number ten Kasimu Okamoto. He is ranked twenty
Speaker 1: six ADP, third BA off the board. You have him
Speaker 1: at ten, ADP is three point thirty four point four
Speaker 1: five round twenty three, and you're telling people to essentially
Speaker 1: take him and round ten eleven.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that he is going to earn the number
Speaker 2: ten spot in production this year. But am I telling
Speaker 2: you to take him in round ten? No? I. What
Speaker 2: I'm I'm telling you is that I think he is
Speaker 2: going to be a very good player and his levels
Speaker 2: of production are going to warrant a pick as high
Speaker 2: as that. Right. Well, the NFBC rank is twenty six.
Speaker 2: If you go to the past couple of weeks, it's
Speaker 2: now moved to eighteen. Okay, his ADP at three thirty four,
Speaker 2: I believes in the two forty range. So we've already
Speaker 2: seen a correction which we knew was going to happen.
Speaker 2: So even though I am considerably higher than the NFBC,
Speaker 2: I'm not as hot as current. Look at the NFBC.
Speaker 2: This starting to be a little up there. If you
Speaker 2: can get him, if you can get him, You're not
Speaker 2: gonna get him at three thirty four. Okay, you're gonna
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to look right now at probably somewhere
Speaker 2: in the fifteenth to eighteenth round. I'm saying he's going
Speaker 2: to earn ten. He's going to be the tenth best
Speaker 2: producer at third base this year.
Speaker 1: Oh right, over under twenty twenty two home runs over
Speaker 1: over under twenty six home runs over. Wow, Tim's allen, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is probably the boldest I think I have
Speaker 2: ever been, and I've been bowled on some Asian players before,
Speaker 2: but I think he's going to be a twenty seven
Speaker 2: to ninety with a high OVP, solid batting average type player.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be at the end of
Speaker 2: the year. I could see him moving up as high
Speaker 2: as possibly sixty seven on this list. He's a he's
Speaker 2: a good player that a lot of people are ignoring
Speaker 2: because of a player called MURKAMMI, and I don't I
Speaker 2: think I think they're going to be proven wrong. I'm
Speaker 2: all in, well all in.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm all in. But I took
Speaker 1: him on my NFC team, and I took him exclusively.
Speaker 1: The sole reason I took him was because of this.
Speaker 1: So uh, I'm not only I'm not only a partner
Speaker 1: with him. I am a fan, so I'm also rounding.
Speaker 2: Yes, you are? What round did you? What round did
Speaker 2: you pick him? In? Rich?
Speaker 1: Good question. Let me go to the draft board here,
Speaker 1: Okamoto Oko? Something you saying? Okamoto?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: Seven seventeen.
Speaker 2: Steele steal yep.
Speaker 1: I got very shortly after after he signed with the
Speaker 1: Blue Jays, so yeah, I also yeah, no, I also
Speaker 1: drafted Haystan Kim too, So that didn't work out for me.
Speaker 2: No, No, damn Dodgers in their spending ways. Eh.
Speaker 1: I got him a but twenty six round, so it
Speaker 1: was but just a reserve pick. But I was hoping
Speaker 1: to see more. But that didn't. That didn't work out. Okay,
Speaker 1: Let's let's do eleven through twenty here we got novel Marte,
Speaker 1: Matt Chapman, Addison Barger, Jose Cavalerio, Alec Baum, Max Munsey,
Speaker 1: Miguel Vargas, Royce Lewis, Caleb Durban and Marcel oh Mayor
Speaker 1: because of your love for Okamoto, Marte, Chapman and Barger
Speaker 1: go down. Do you think we're finally gonna see a
Speaker 1: a step up with Marte?
Speaker 2: I think it's all I think. I think it's all
Speaker 2: set up where yes, we are, but there are still
Speaker 2: questions about there's still playing time questions there. And although
Speaker 2: he did have a great basically half a season, fourteen
Speaker 2: home runs, ten stolen bases, I'm not one hundred percent
Speaker 2: sold on Marte, even though everything is set up for success.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yes, yeah, it's yeah. I And
Speaker 2: again when because of that, I moved him, I've moved
Speaker 2: him down basically a slot. Matt Chapman. I think Matt
Speaker 2: Chapin's a fine pick. You know, he said twenty seven homers,
Speaker 2: three of the past five. I think he's relatively a
Speaker 2: safe pick. Marte, there's risk, and Barger there's risk, but
Speaker 2: there's also considerable upsize. I believe in the power game
Speaker 2: of Madison bargers. So those three, yeah, I I like them,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I like them enough to
Speaker 2: to invest that they're going rate.
Speaker 1: My guy here, if you wait, my guy is Matt Chapman.
Speaker 1: I think he's boring, but the data's great on this guy.
Speaker 1: He hits the ball hard, he's faster than you think.
Speaker 1: I think it's just look, it's a boring twenty five
Speaker 1: arm runs and you know, some stolen bases and a
Speaker 1: guy that's never going to light it up from a
Speaker 1: hitting standpoint, but enough that I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to hurt you. And again, if you decide not to
Speaker 1: partake in one of the big guys, I just think
Speaker 1: he's a nice, little safe guy that you can then
Speaker 1: come back and maybe get somebody with some upside later
Speaker 1: on in case you want to upgrade potentially down with Chapman's.
Speaker 1: That's how I like to play third base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's perfect with buying. There's nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with that at all. Jose Cavallero, the Pennsylan fifty stolen bases, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: if hey, if you're looking at a situation where you
Speaker 2: need the speed, there's nothing wrong with that. Pick in
Speaker 2: the mid teen rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the one of the big impediments for
Speaker 1: Jose Cavallero got off the board. I was really worried
Speaker 1: until Boba Schett signed it. It does appear like the
Speaker 1: Yankees are just not playing in this year's free agency.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why not. I'm not a huge Yankee fans.
Speaker 1: I've been followed that closely. But it does appear they're
Speaker 1: going to go with Jose Cavallero until my Anthony Volpi
Speaker 1: is ready. That's the way it looks to me.
Speaker 2: And if I strongly believe that if Cavallero plays well,
Speaker 2: Anthony Volpi might not come back to a full time job,
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that that be the case. Yeah. So again, Hey,
Speaker 2: if you're looking for speed, I think the floor is
Speaker 2: reasonably safe with Cavallero.
Speaker 1: Even if bolt Be comes back June first, that's two
Speaker 1: months of Cavallero, and that's fifteen stolen bases, maybe twenty
Speaker 1: stolen base Yeah, this first thing, it's just just money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is just money in the bank, those stolen bases. Ye, agreed,
Speaker 2: Alec Baum.
Speaker 1: You like Alec Baum a lot. He's going as a
Speaker 1: twenty second guy off the board, he's you've got him
Speaker 1: at number fifteen. I do worry about Bam. The data
Speaker 1: actually looks reasonably good on this guy. He was not
Speaker 1: one of my targets, but he came close. I do
Speaker 1: like Aiden Miller as potentially getting the call and maybe
Speaker 1: taking of a little third base there. So that's my
Speaker 1: thought on why I would not get too excited about
Speaker 1: alcoholm But the data does look solid on this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you mean you got Trey Turner and Shoreburn
Speaker 2: Harber hitting ahead of you. You know, I'm not suggesting
Speaker 2: that Alex Bowman is a twenty five home run bat
Speaker 2: He's not. I think he's fifteen home run twelve to fifteen.
Speaker 2: But the batting average should be solid and the RBI opportunities.
Speaker 2: I pencil in a floor of eighty eighty to eighty five,
Speaker 2: so the RBI should be there.
Speaker 1: Thegul vargas a little bit higher on him than most
Speaker 1: at the White Sox. Kind of strange to see a
Speaker 1: White Sox guy surging in a poll.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, you look at what he did last year, okay,
Speaker 2: and sixteen homers sixty are sixty RBIs okay, he scored
Speaker 2: eighty runs. He's not in danger of losing playing dying
Speaker 2: to anybody. And he's young enough, I think we could
Speaker 2: see a little bit better. I feel reasonably comfortable in
Speaker 2: Miguel Berg. It's moving him up if he goes twenty
Speaker 2: home runs and up to the RBIs to seventy five
Speaker 2: to eighty to go along with the run scored. This
Speaker 2: pretty good player and a player that, even though he's
Speaker 2: being drafted further down the list, one that I feel
Speaker 2: relatively comfortable with as compared to say Royce Lewis, who
Speaker 2: can't stay on the field. Yeah, he actually didn't have He.
Speaker 1: Actually didn't have a very good season last year either.
Speaker 1: Last I looked from what he did in terms of
Speaker 1: what he has done in such a limited number of
Speaker 1: at bats in previous seasons. It was not a good
Speaker 1: showing by Royce Lewis last year.
Speaker 2: No, and he broke the three hundred of batmark, but
Speaker 2: not by a whole heck of a lot. I just
Speaker 2: I don't feel confident some one of these years Royce
Speaker 2: Lewis is going to get in five hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: at bats and his forty home runs, possibly if he's
Speaker 2: not too beat up at the stage of his career.
Speaker 2: The potential is still there, but he's not a player
Speaker 2: that I'm endeared to, not in any stretching imagination, because
Speaker 2: I think for every one good year he has, he
Speaker 2: could have three four bad. I'm I'll weigh out the
Speaker 2: odds and say I'll look elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Rich sprint speed's at thirty four percent ex of velocities
Speaker 1: at eighty nine point eight, so solid power, below average speed,
Speaker 1: below average contact skills. Be careful, yep, I agree, risk
Speaker 1: Evan Marcela Mayor. You've got him fourteen higher than when
Speaker 1: he's going in the NFBC. You have you have any reasons.
Speaker 2: Why substance abuse.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you were that high on him, but
Speaker 1: I guess you just liked them a little bit better
Speaker 1: than Murakami and Esac. Parade is an Ernie Clement, Josh Smith, etc.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Basically, when you look at Mayor, his ADP's five
Speaker 2: twenty one, I would rather have Mayor than a commie
Speaker 2: Paradis Clement, Josh Smith, the whole group after him, Connor Norby.
Speaker 2: There's upside there, Okay, when you get down into you know,
Speaker 2: twenty moving moving down the ladder, do you want to
Speaker 2: you want a head for the for the upside potential
Speaker 2: or do you want to take Ernie Clement or Connor
Speaker 2: Norby or Ryan McMahon. Now I would rather, I would rather.
Speaker 1: Ryan McMahon is the guy you want. What's your next question?
Speaker 2: I would rather gamble. There was so little blue okay
Speaker 2: on his whiff whiff and strakeout rates. I had to
Speaker 2: pull a magnifying glass oh to see it. But no,
Speaker 2: I I want I'll take my chances on the upside.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be looking over his shoulder,
Speaker 2: and I think that I think he'll learn that uh
Speaker 2: that twenty ranking come yere in.
Speaker 1: Wow, we'll see. I mean he just said he just
Speaker 1: may or just just did not play well, So I'll
Speaker 1: be right. I do hm in a couple of dynastas legues,
Speaker 1: maybe one. I think I traded them. So after that
Speaker 1: bit of a hot set. Now Mirror Comedy's at twenty one. Look,
Speaker 1: you've been on records saying you like the player, you're
Speaker 1: worried about how much he's going to strike out, and
Speaker 1: then I think over time. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: because it's now the White Sox just we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about this, but my sense is you're getting more negative
Speaker 1: on him every week.
Speaker 2: I don't think it. I don't think it's more negative.
Speaker 2: I'm just being more vocal about by negativity. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: I think what you're looking at is a Kyle Schwarber's
Speaker 2: skill set, Okay, And I gotta admit when I read this,
Speaker 2: I thought, damn, that's got to be about the harshest
Speaker 2: I think I've ever been on a former player coming
Speaker 2: out of Japan. But if you want the Kyle Schwarber
Speaker 2: skill set, just pay for Kyle Schwarber. Remove the dotus
Speaker 2: to the outcome. I think he's going to have problems
Speaker 2: with high heat. I think he's going to be very streaky,
Speaker 2: as he has been in Japan. Yeah, he could hit
Speaker 2: forty home runs, but it could be a companied with
Speaker 2: a one nine ninety five batting average and a three
Speaker 2: forty OVP. I just be careful that he's not going
Speaker 2: to be in my plans this year. I think Okamoto
Speaker 2: is a far I think he's a far better and
Speaker 2: more polished all round player, and that has my attention
Speaker 2: at a bargain basement prices compared to America. Now, when
Speaker 2: I look at the past fifteen days or so, Mura
Speaker 2: Kakami is still ahead of Okamoto, but it's only by
Speaker 2: two rounds, so there's been a huge correction in both
Speaker 2: those players.
Speaker 1: I am in the process of doing our first year
Speaker 1: player first year player rankings, and I have ranked my
Speaker 1: international guys, including the Japanese players for dynasty leagues. Tim
Speaker 1: where would you would you take first? Murakami likee younger
Speaker 1: than Okamoto or still Okamoto in a dynasty.
Speaker 2: League, still Okamoto Okamoa's twenty nine if you.
Speaker 1: A wide margin or shallow margin.
Speaker 2: Fairly wide personally, because I don't want the risk, Hey,
Speaker 2: he's going to strike out a tone. I don't want
Speaker 2: to assume he could be he could be Joey Gallo.
Speaker 2: I don't want to take that risk. Okamoto will not
Speaker 2: be Joey Gallo. And most dynasty leagues if you get
Speaker 2: if you get five years out of a dynasty league,
Speaker 2: you're doing well. I think Okamoto can play until mid
Speaker 2: thirties and be a solid producer, so the age doesn't
Speaker 2: really come into play for me. Now. If Americami was
Speaker 2: twenty two, that would be you know, that would affect
Speaker 2: things a little differently. But I think you can get
Speaker 2: four to five years out of Okomotive, So I'm the
Speaker 2: dynasty factor I'm treating I would be treating him much
Speaker 2: the same as I wouldn't read draft like, how many
Speaker 2: players do you look at for more than three to
Speaker 2: five years in the Dynasty League. It's not that many, really,
Speaker 2: I think if you look at the rosters at.
Speaker 1: The end of the day, right, I have Okamoto ranked
Speaker 1: at one sixty three and I have Murakami ranked at
Speaker 1: two oh three. Well done to narrow, to narrow or
Speaker 1: just about right.
Speaker 2: I think that's just about right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got that.
Speaker 2: In first year, the first year player drafts, I could
Speaker 2: I could go as high as top three on America
Speaker 2: on Okomotive, remaining on your team and build and needs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in DL five, if we had a top three pick,
Speaker 2: he'd probably be number three.
Speaker 1: Wow, I've got I got Amaya number three.
Speaker 2: Okay, I would probably have a Maya at one, Anderson
Speaker 2: at two, and Okamoto with three.
Speaker 1: I got Ethan Holliday at one, Kate Anderson and two,
Speaker 1: am I at three, and then I've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of younger players. I got okamotives down probably second round
Speaker 1: for me just because of the age. But I haven't
Speaker 1: yet I'm still working on it, so I might move
Speaker 1: him up a little bit, but I'm struggling with the
Speaker 1: age twenty nine years old. Where do you put him
Speaker 1: in and uh from a dynasty league. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys that might have higher upsite better careers,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's a tough one, Rich because you know
Speaker 2: what Okamoto can help you for the next three years, Okay,
Speaker 2: a lot of the players that you're going to be
Speaker 2: ranking ahead of them might not make the majors for
Speaker 2: three years, right, So it just depends on Yeah.
Speaker 1: But some of these guys might not ever make the
Speaker 1: majors as well, so I mean at all. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's the risk. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this and looking at the players in front of them,
Speaker 1: and I'm struggling to think how Gavin Fine is going
Speaker 1: to have a better major league career than Akamoto given
Speaker 1: the risk.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and again, if Okamoto slides down to the
Speaker 2: back of the first round, early second round, that means
Speaker 2: that somebody who finished in the top three, okay in
Speaker 2: your leagues last year, is going to get a shot
Speaker 2: at a player that's going to help him right now,
Speaker 2: that's looking awful good for a top three team, isn't
Speaker 2: it immediate help out of a first year player draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not using the first year player draft.
Speaker 1: The poor teams are picking first, then they're not going
Speaker 1: to want Lokomotive.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's it's shifts to and that. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: really benefits the teams that did well last year having
Speaker 2: a player like him come over because it gives him
Speaker 2: an opportunity and immediate help. And that's what those last three,
Speaker 2: you know, for the most part, that's what your teams
Speaker 2: have finished for second, third, fourth, they want right right
Speaker 2: to get better. Yeah. Yeah, it's a interesting, tough call.
Speaker 1: Tough call. Let's see, let's take a break and come
Speaker 1: back and let's start to pop around a little bit.
Speaker 1: See some guys that's.
Speaker 4: Likes we are covering their based on the top twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one or so, actually twenty top twenty five.
Speaker 1: You also like Jonathan India higher and rank McMahon well done,
Speaker 1: and then Matt Charlotte minus sixteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going I'd love to say I didn't look
Speaker 2: at Matt Shaw and let me just take a quick
Speaker 2: look here at the ADPs for the past two weeks
Speaker 2: to see where matt Shaw is going.
Speaker 1: Well, that is all due to the Alex Bregman signing.
Speaker 2: Well yeah that yeah, he's down to fifteen now in
Speaker 2: the NFBC. Uh yeah, I've factored the Alex Bregman signing
Speaker 2: in there. And let's face it, right now, with Moyeses
Speaker 2: Bellisteros looking at the DH slot, Matt Shaw does not
Speaker 2: have a place to call home right now. They're looking
Speaker 2: as Adam as a super subtype option possibly in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six. I just put proceed with caution. How you
Speaker 2: rank a player fairly high who doesn't have a position
Speaker 2: to play.
Speaker 1: In totally grey. We brought that up when signing. But
Speaker 1: Ballistaiir's better hit or Matt Shaw will get those a
Speaker 1: lot more of those at bats.
Speaker 2: At D Totally agree, totally agree. But as of right
Speaker 2: now and today, what do you today? What do you
Speaker 2: do with Sean Bellistaro's I think the Cubs want Balistarios
Speaker 2: to succeed. They might move one of their catchers at
Speaker 2: some point in time to create a you know, further opportunities,
Speaker 2: but not as of today. It's a tough call. I'd
Speaker 2: be very very cautious with that whole cub situation right now,
Speaker 2: and Matt Shaw would not be on my list of players. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Beisterios falls enough. Yeah, I some intered Matt Shaw,
Speaker 2: and I'm just concerned right now.
Speaker 1: I'm Ballistaris is a very interesting guy, because that guy
Speaker 1: can flat out hit. And if you can hit, you
Speaker 1: stick in the major leagues. It's if you can't hit,
Speaker 1: you don't. I mean, it's just not even more common.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, they'll find a place for
Speaker 2: you to play if you can hit, right, they'll work
Speaker 2: around something and create something, do whatever they have to
Speaker 2: do to get the bat in the lineup.
Speaker 1: You're you're going to get a shot. And that's why
Speaker 1: I keep going back to Gavin Lux is not a
Speaker 1: great player, not a great, terrible fantasy player, but he
Speaker 1: can hit. Yeah, And guys like that you usually get
Speaker 1: a chance until they get expensive and then it's no Moss.
Speaker 1: But and the fact that, yeah, so I just think
Speaker 1: you have to keep that in consideration. And you've also
Speaker 1: obviously really down on Mark Fiento's and Brett Battie. In fact,
Speaker 1: you're just like, I'm not dealing with these guys anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm no, I'm hey, if they're sitting there in
Speaker 2: the reserve rounds, yeah, I'll toss a dark, but I
Speaker 2: Am not going to commit a regular roster spot either
Speaker 2: one of those guys because or have the Mets committed
Speaker 2: anything to them? Yeah? Maybe you know right now they
Speaker 2: got baby and his DH, but it could be Biento's,
Speaker 2: it could be whomever. It's just a mess that I'm
Speaker 2: going to totally avoid rich.
Speaker 1: Another big off season. The off season moves have really
Speaker 1: put down Jordan Lawler is now go back to the
Speaker 1: list tier. Oh yeah, he's down. Uh, where's Jordan Lawler?
Speaker 2: I missed forty seven forty seven?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me just type in low. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: down sixteen slots. Yeah, and that and that's because of
Speaker 1: the Aeronauta trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not high on Aeronato. I've gone him
Speaker 2: in thirty. So it's it's not a result of any
Speaker 2: any big skill set maneuversus the fact that he's got
Speaker 2: he's gotta find a home and the outfield looks like
Speaker 2: you get and he doesn't have much on his resume
Speaker 2: for oatfields. So yeah, they've.
Speaker 1: Already they've already locked in the Nolan Aernado bobblehead day.
Speaker 1: They're all they're already uh digitally printed to me. They're
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and yeah, as much the same as Carlos Korea.
Speaker 2: I am fairly down on Korea. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: is there any reason to be up on Carlos's career.
Speaker 1: I think he's got power, and I think he can hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a boring guy that he hasn't He hasn't
Speaker 1: shown much power of the last couple of years, and
Speaker 1: he gets hurt all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, last year, in five hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: seven at bats, he hit thirteen home runs, drove in
Speaker 2: fifty two. He hasn't stolen a base since twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and that total in twenty nineteen was one. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: he can still hit, but what do you want for power?
Speaker 2: The power numbers, he doesn't run. It's just it's not
Speaker 2: a player that if I'm looking at Carlos career on
Speaker 2: one of my teams, it must be because I have
Speaker 2: multiple shares on that same team of Matt Shaw and
Speaker 2: Brett Batty.
Speaker 1: I have forgotten why what's your love again? For Jose Tina,
Speaker 1: who I was all on a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: But it feels like the Nationals just hate Jose Tana.
Speaker 1: Why is why do you still hold out hope that
Speaker 1: he's going to get a job at.
Speaker 2: Some point Brady House?
Speaker 1: You don't, You don't believe in Brady House at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I've got hosts ranked higher. But who's backing
Speaker 2: up Brady House. It's got to be Tinia. So I
Speaker 2: think there's I believe there's more of an opportunity for
Speaker 2: Hose eighteen to end up with regular at bats than
Speaker 2: there is at Mendosuser or have your bias or Christian
Speaker 2: And there's there's a lot in there not to like,
Speaker 2: but there is still something I think too like with
Speaker 2: Hose eighteen.
Speaker 1: Ronnie Marisa has dropped, how your bias has dropped? All
Speaker 1: that makes total sense? And you're up a little higher
Speaker 1: on Graham Paulie, we're trying to convince me to grab
Speaker 1: him in our last uh last look into my draft.
Speaker 1: By the way, the password got taken a couple of
Speaker 1: slots after I took Ben Joyce, So my dream of
Speaker 1: the password is is shattered.
Speaker 2: Tim, Yes, you'll get an extra two years on your
Speaker 2: spell check, so yes, all right, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the heart, let's go to the hard questions.
Speaker 1: And it's me okomotive because you are in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Because we've talked enough about that. Give me a player
Speaker 1: that drops out of the top ten and a player
Speaker 1: that falls that rises into the top ten.
Speaker 2: Okay, Eugenio Suarez drops out of the top ten.
Speaker 1: Why is that?
Speaker 2: Well, he still has a signed he's thirty five years old.
Speaker 2: He can he can hit forty home runs. But you know,
Speaker 2: if Westberg and Riley are healthy, I don't see any
Speaker 2: problems in the top five. So you're looking at a
Speaker 2: choice between Suarez, Bregman, Gregman. Sure, uh, those are the
Speaker 2: two that I would think could fall are those two
Speaker 2: players for is in Bragman and replacing them? Oh Murakami, Yeah,
Speaker 2: heybe it's forty home runs. Yeah, if he's forty home runs,
Speaker 2: I'll go I'm gonna go to me.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go on the limbit. It might be
Speaker 1: time to tap out. Say it's been a good run
Speaker 1: because you have trash.
Speaker 2: Murakami, Yeah, I have. I'm not If he's not gonna
Speaker 2: be on my Christmas card list, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with a couple of the younger I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with calib Durban possibly moving up.
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, do you got to explain yourself on
Speaker 1: that one. Oh?
Speaker 2: I think the hit tool combined with the speed and
Speaker 2: ten to twelve home runs decent runs scored. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: you know McGill Vargus could move up into the into
Speaker 2: the top ten if he it's twenty five home runs.
Speaker 2: I got to look at upside players if I'm looking
Speaker 2: at moving into that top ten, And yeah, guys like
Speaker 2: Durwan Marcella may Or what happens if he gets out
Speaker 2: of the gate strong and plays to his potential? Could
Speaker 2: he be a top ten player? Yeah. The guys that
Speaker 2: i'd stay away fromm would be Cavallero, Alex Bohm, Max Muncy.
Speaker 2: I think they'll be okay players, but I don't see
Speaker 2: them taking that next step per se. I don't think Matt.
Speaker 2: I think Matt Chapman is who he is. Noelvi Marte
Speaker 2: and as in Barger, they could both move into the
Speaker 2: top ten if they hit me on ba Barger it's
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty home runs, which I don't think
Speaker 2: can be ruled out. The problem with Barger is the
Speaker 2: pressure on the batting average.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: He likes. He likes a lot just about everything thrown
Speaker 2: at him. So again there's there's risk risk in the
Speaker 2: batting average category with Bargers.
Speaker 1: So I as, yeah, the guy that's going to come
Speaker 1: into the top ten or come into the fifteen twenty.
Speaker 1: The person who's going to that's going to make noises
Speaker 1: not on your list yet. I think it's either I
Speaker 1: think it's a JJ Weatherholt. I think it's a potential
Speaker 1: Aiden Miller maybe yeah, maybe the Sebastian Walcott. I think
Speaker 1: it's something maybe Jet Williams. Mass probably gonna move to
Speaker 1: the outfield. I think it's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: are going to come in at a different position, take
Speaker 1: over third base and blow up.
Speaker 2: No problems with that at all, none whatsoever, because there
Speaker 2: are going to be there are going to be shorts
Speaker 2: top eligible players who are going to find their way
Speaker 2: to the third base list next year. Definitely, yep.
Speaker 1: And I'm just taking a look at your I mean
Speaker 1: your top ten. I mean it's hard to say any
Speaker 1: of those guys are going to drop outside of you,
Speaker 1: Ino Swarz and Alex Pregnant, But the top of the list.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ramirez would have to have such an awful
Speaker 1: season to drop out ten, and Junior Kim just not
Speaker 1: going to happen. Maybe Mguel Garcia falls back to earth
Speaker 1: a little bit, but he's still probably is a top
Speaker 1: ten guy. Yeah, I just yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: those guys are are pretty much locked in there.
Speaker 2: Same with Manny Mitrago. He has a bad year and
Speaker 2: he hits twenty five home runs and drives in eighty five,
Speaker 2: He's still going to be a top ten player at
Speaker 2: third base next year. The year after that might change,
Speaker 2: but not next year.
Speaker 1: If Austin Riley has a repeat of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: yeah he'll drop out of the top ten. But the
Speaker 1: data says, as long as he's healthy, he's going to
Speaker 1: be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, data says the same thing with Westburg, right, yes, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah it it would take another season of three
Speaker 2: hundred at bats from both of those guys. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I agree they could fall into the top ten.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, totally agree. All right, Timmy, give me a sleeper.
Speaker 2: Two US sleeper too. Well, we've already discussed number ten
Speaker 2: at nauseum uh kamoo.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Again. I'm all in, Timmy, I
Speaker 1: have them. I'm excited, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's you're welcome. Here's five players I like Okamoto
Speaker 2: and I put them in my opening narrative, Addison Barger,
Speaker 2: Miguel Vargas, Calub Durban and Marcella Mayor. Hopefully I end
Speaker 2: up with one, possibly two of those players, one from
Speaker 2: my corner infield slot come draft day. Those are the
Speaker 2: guys I had. Those are the guys said I'm liking
Speaker 2: because of the upside potential.
Speaker 1: Boy, the one I keep going back to Marcela Mayor,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so bad. I mean I've been
Speaker 1: to Moors a Mayor defender for a while, man, but
Speaker 1: he was so bad last season. I hope you're right.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right.
Speaker 2: Well, when you look at do I want to take
Speaker 2: a chance Ad Meyer over he's that greatest, Ernie Clement,
Speaker 2: Josh Smith, Connor Norby. Yeah, I do want to take
Speaker 2: that chance. I think the rewards could be such that
Speaker 2: they're worthwhile.
Speaker 1: Time will tell the thing about Mayor, and again he's
Speaker 1: only twenty three. So the thing that Bob I thought
Speaker 1: he'd hit more and he just there was a lot
Speaker 1: of chase and a lot of swing and missing his game.
Speaker 1: He walked six percent of the time. I just I
Speaker 1: was disappointed in that. I mean, he hit the ball
Speaker 1: reasonably hard, average sprint speed, but I thought he'd be
Speaker 1: able to control the strike someone better than he did.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping again. It was only one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty six plaint appearances, and hopefully it'll be better. And
Speaker 1: he he's penciled in to be the starting third basement.
Speaker 2: He's got the job to start the season. It's in
Speaker 2: his hands as far as as the future, and I
Speaker 2: hope and believe he's going to take and prove to
Speaker 2: be at least an OK type player, one representative of
Speaker 2: the twenty to twenty five group at his position.
Speaker 1: Excellent stuff, mister mcclell. Let's take a let's take our
Speaker 1: final break it back, and let's Tim wrap up third
Speaker 1: base and find out what he's on for dinner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a gem.
Speaker 1: I have so many favorite podcasts that we do, one
Speaker 1: of which is not our handle draft, but I know
Speaker 1: people like that love our positional drafts. Probably my favorite
Speaker 1: position is outfield. We haven't done that yet, and that'll
Speaker 1: be in a couple of weeks. I love doing the outfield,
Speaker 1: but these are my favorite segments. I always love the
Speaker 1: fantasy questions of the blank division. I always like those,
Speaker 1: but I just I love our breakdown going into the season.
Speaker 1: He does such a good job, and it's it's always
Speaker 1: thought provoking. Your your the rankings are thoughtful. I can
Speaker 1: never trip you up on you not have done the research,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's really that says a lot.
Speaker 1: You're not always right, and I've said that a book
Speaker 1: better better be right.
Speaker 2: But but I mean, there's rationale behind the decision making exactly, and.
Speaker 1: That's what that's all people can ask for, is that
Speaker 1: you've got sound reasoning behind your positions on each of
Speaker 1: the different players, and how it turns out is how
Speaker 1: it turns out. And then if you're wrong, then Tim
Speaker 1: will rethink his logic and uh do that. But it's
Speaker 1: it's very thoughtful stuff. And I think that's why I
Speaker 1: like these shows so much, because I like to like
Speaker 1: to see how you're thinking and uh and help our
Speaker 1: listeners figure that out too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, there's nothing wrong with stimulating a good discussion,
Speaker 2: is there? For sure? Absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: What's what's your find?
Speaker 2: So I I thank you for the I thank you
Speaker 2: for the kind words appreciation.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, what's your final commonal third base?
Speaker 2: Ah? Well, hey, am I going to pass on Junior
Speaker 2: Kaminara or Jose Ramire or Jose Ramirez? I might because
Speaker 2: he's going out early Kamanara. No, I really think that MIKEL.
Speaker 2: Garcy is going to move it to another another year
Speaker 2: this year, I really do. My position on third base
Speaker 2: is I'm not there's enough players I like later on
Speaker 2: and there's enough players I like more or more players
Speaker 2: that will help me. I believe in my overall team build.
Speaker 2: At other positions, I'm pushing third base down. You got
Speaker 2: to push something down. You can't have it all. That
Speaker 2: just doesn't work. And I I think there's more value
Speaker 2: in a high, high round outfielder than there is in
Speaker 2: the at the third base position. So third base is
Speaker 2: a position that I'm gonna look for, definitely middle ground,
Speaker 2: and I think there's some good options there.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's say that one of our listeners, you're playing
Speaker 1: in the league with one of our listeners and he
Speaker 1: sees O Komotive and takes them early, and you find
Speaker 1: yourself if you've got my spreadsheet, up. You find yourself
Speaker 1: in the tenth round, Timmy, without a third basement. So
Speaker 1: looking in the round column, which player do you go with?
Speaker 2: H What do I go with? Looking at the round column? Oh,
Speaker 2: Miguel Vargas. I'll wait another three four rounds and then
Speaker 2: I'll make a move on Miguel Barb Vargas Orchie calub Durban.
Speaker 2: They're all in the lateeen rounds right now. I can
Speaker 2: live with Alex Bowman the eighteenth round. I think it's
Speaker 2: eighty ninety RBIs there a decent bad average? You's not
Speaker 2: going to hurt me. There's plenty of options in that
Speaker 2: range of round fifteen through to twenty two twenty three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned. I'm going to get somebody that's going
Speaker 2: to provide value. Maybe not o Komodo value, but value.
Speaker 1: All right, Timmy, what's what's for dinner? My friend?
Speaker 2: What's for dinner? Well? I opened up the fridge and
Speaker 2: the old jaw hit the ground because something I've been
Speaker 2: asking for for a long time was sitting in there,
Speaker 2: deep roasting. Jody one our legion. Once a month they
Speaker 2: have what they call a meat draw. It's a raffle, okay,
Speaker 2: and it's basically a fifty to fifty thing. It's a
Speaker 2: fundraiser for them, and the winner gets a box full
Speaker 2: of meat and it's usually good meat. Then the legion
Speaker 2: gets fifty percent of it. And Joey won at last fall,
Speaker 2: and included in that is about a seven pound prime river.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Absolutely monstrous. And I saw this thing sitting in the
Speaker 2: in the fridge this morning and I started foaming at
Speaker 2: the mouth and drooling. Okay, Jody, of course I thought
Speaker 2: it was because you know, she's in the same host
Speaker 2: as me, you know, But anyhow, it was the primera Jody.
Speaker 2: It was that her head. Yeah, I look at look
Speaker 2: and I say, uh, but we're having we're having prime
Speaker 2: so and lots.
Speaker 1: Of it's a medium rare, I'm.
Speaker 2: Assuming, right, medium rare. That's it.
Speaker 1: Cooking it in the oven.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Awesome, sounds great. I'm jealousy, Yeah, I'm jealous. I haven't
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a long time for me. I haven't
Speaker 2: had anything that looks like steak in a long time.
Speaker 2: Every time I go through the grocery store, I decide
Speaker 2: whether or not I can sell a kid to get
Speaker 2: a steak.
Speaker 1: And crazy how expensive it is insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is. So what are you doing for
Speaker 2: supper tonight?
Speaker 1: So Laurie's been ill all week, so I've been cooking,
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's not been good.
Speaker 2: So chickens chicken soup.
Speaker 1: Uh. I think she's she's gotta went out got her
Speaker 1: chicken soup yesterday, so she might have that. I've got leftovers.
Speaker 1: We have a chicken stuffed chicken breast, so we might
Speaker 1: have that, which is good. Yeah, And I think I
Speaker 1: got a couple of pieces of pizza. We had pizza yesterday,
Speaker 1: so I might I might do that. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's Sundays are always leftovers for us. So right, so
Speaker 1: that's that's what it is for me.
Speaker 2: So well, I just told is feeling better soon?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Me too, me too. I need to we need
Speaker 1: to eat better.
Speaker 2: Well, well played, Well.
Speaker 1: I got we have a there's a chain grocery store
Speaker 1: around and the States called Wegmans, and it's not too
Speaker 1: many different places. It's very very high end food, uh,
Speaker 1: particularly the prepared prepared section. So it's not it's it's
Speaker 1: literally it's they will make a salmon and have it
Speaker 1: already and all you have to do is put it
Speaker 1: in the oven for thirty minutes to give you exact
Speaker 1: cooking instruction. So it's it's like those uh in fact,
Speaker 1: those factor meals. So we we've advertised those on our
Speaker 1: show before, and it's it's it's like you get those
Speaker 1: that are really nice quality and you literally either microwaven
Speaker 1: or turn the oven on. And so I usually go
Speaker 1: there and fill phil when I when I have responsible
Speaker 1: and fill it up. Unfortunately, we've eaten them all, so.
Speaker 2: Well, how can you go wrong? You pay in extra
Speaker 2: ten bucks, you get guaranteed success, and you don't have
Speaker 2: four feet of dishes to weed through in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: It sounds perfect to me.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's yeah, you do premium, but I
Speaker 1: mean i mean like like they have this vegetable tray
Speaker 1: of food. It's it's like it's an individual maybe two
Speaker 1: can eat it and it's delicious. I mean it costs
Speaker 1: six bucks. I mean I'm like, I'm gonna everything's like
Speaker 1: shredded and cut up, and I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, you're taking a chance on losing a
Speaker 2: finger for six.
Speaker 1: Bucks, So I go get it six bucks. Butt in
Speaker 1: the oven.
Speaker 2: Done exactly. Good choice, good choice, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, my friend. We will talk to you next
Speaker 1: week where we're I guess we're back to finishing up
Speaker 1: our fantasy questions of Ashle League West or American League
Speaker 1: West or something starting to get The draft should be
Speaker 1: coming up for people soon, So it's it's getting to
Speaker 1: be that time.
Speaker 2: It most certainly, it most certainly is, and looking forward
Speaker 2: to it. Be safe, be well, and we'll catch you
Speaker 2: next week. Rich