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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the first episode of Super League three sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lee Addison, what's yours.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is John Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back, John, we got rid of us.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a month off, five weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Off, not even that, I don't think we did the

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<v Speaker 1>Ashes Rugby League podcast and you can you can still

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening to the Actually Rugby League podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking this isn't the Ashes. We're making it available on

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<v Speaker 1>the Ashes Rugby League podcast platform. But Super League three

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<v Speaker 1>sixty obviously, John is a British rugby league lean, isn't it,

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<v Speaker 1>and more specifically super League. But such as the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the sport in England, mate, we could end up

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<v Speaker 1>in all sorts of directions, couldn't we, including lower leagues

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<v Speaker 1>and international and political?

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<v Speaker 2>We could, Yes, lots of segues to many different issues,

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<v Speaker 2>and anyone who follows super League it's pretty linked closely

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<v Speaker 2>with the NR on Vice FIRSTA these days, particularly in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of takeout overs and player transfers and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, well we'll we'll dedicate we'll dedicate some

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<v Speaker 1>time each week to touch on the NRL and each

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<v Speaker 1>week there'll be a special analysis segment from myself and

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<v Speaker 1>that will have its own clip on YouTube as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So for those listening on the platforms, the various platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put it at the end of the podcast so

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<v Speaker 1>that if it doesn't make sense to you, you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can watch the clip individually on YouTube. Today the

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<v Speaker 1>clip doesn't include any Super League footage. It's got Ashes

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<v Speaker 1>footage and a few other historical bits. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>future we're going to do plenty of Super League content

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm really keen. I'm really keen to study. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>are actually ahead of the World Club Challenge? John John's

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<v Speaker 1>an intrepid scribe who will no doubt get us some

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<v Speaker 1>interviews over the course of the next however long this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast last. When when when do you think you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do that? When will they be in the

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<v Speaker 1>mood for it? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's a good question. I'm actually trying to tea

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<v Speaker 2>up some so many of these this week. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny you mentioned whole K because I was in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with them about going into training at some point before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually some hole kre content.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Willie Peters in New York or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're in full swing of pre season and lovely

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<v Speaker 2>cold hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Now on the Rugby League Coach podcast, which I host.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been asking for a water sponsor for at least

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<v Speaker 1>two years and I finally got one because as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always drinking water aroun'd or this.

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<v Speaker 2>Or a pint drink with forty eight water bottles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and because I often record in the morning, well well,

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<v Speaker 1>well it's your evening. Because you're a Australian in England.

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<v Speaker 1>I have coffee as well, So I think the sponsorship

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities for this podcast right. So I've been sponsored by

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<v Speaker 1>Global League Network for the Rugby League Coach podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give them a shout out on this

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<v Speaker 1>one as well, just to show people what what what

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<v Speaker 1>exposure they can get if they if they sponsor my

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<v Speaker 1>water consumption. I drink about six liters a day, which

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<v Speaker 1>some people think is bad for you, but I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>big unit mate, So there is global water, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cells and muscles and everything to populate. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, that's it. I'm an Englishman as coach at

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<v Speaker 1>MRL clubs and stuff, and I've lived in Australia a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. What are you, John, I'm a.

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<v Speaker 2>Journalist of twenty years experience and right for numerous regular

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<v Speaker 2>publications are The League Express and others.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you said thirteen the other week. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>count every week as a year?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've been living in the UK for thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>My apologize. Just now we're nearly at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the longest introduction ever. I am at Rugby League Coach

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<v Speaker 1>dot com to say you at Rugby League Coach on

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<v Speaker 1>socials and like I said, I hope a host of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rugby League Coach podcast. Where can people get you?

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<v Speaker 2>John? You can get me on Exit Johnny d Davidson.

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<v Speaker 2>They can get me on Facebook at John Davidson Journalist

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<v Speaker 2>and on Patreon at Rugby League hub dot com long Reads.

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<v Speaker 1>Now different to other podcasts. We're going to have sections

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<v Speaker 1>on this and we can even have a sponsor for

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<v Speaker 1>the section. The first section is called key Stories. There's

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<v Speaker 1>been a bit of signing, retention and release news in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK lately, hasn't they? The David Klemmer, Jackson Hastings, Newman,

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<v Speaker 1>those three that spring to mind. Yeah, yeah, a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a surprise, probably, well, probably all three a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a surprise really.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Jackson Hastings one is interesting because obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if he played first grade in

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<v Speaker 2>Newcastle this year.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit at the Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been on the hour at the Nights for Ages.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was linked with Leeds a while ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean he has been sort of kicked out

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of clubs, you know, not gone on

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<v Speaker 2>with teammates and a lot of clubs, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of an unwanted property in the NRL and it

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of surprising to see. Obviously Sint Helens didn't

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<v Speaker 2>need a half back and he's he's a talented half back,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's surprising to see them sign him. Also a

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<v Speaker 2>former Wigan player, so you don't usually see that many

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<v Speaker 2>ex Wigan players go to Saint Helens or vice versa

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<v Speaker 2>because it is the oldest riberry in rugby league. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think Paul Rowley had the association when he was

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<v Speaker 2>on the staff at Salford. It'll be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 2>how that one goes. And then obviously David Klemer winding

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<v Speaker 2>down his career, you would say, uh, you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>moved on from Newcastle and moved on from the Tigers,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I think it was at the Dragons wasn't he,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they need some impact in a full pack.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, another one. You you wonder how that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go, how much is left in the legs. But obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know he's had a great career origin Australia, et cetera. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>an old school front row, shall we say, with the

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<v Speaker 2>foreign Broomstone.

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<v Speaker 1>You did a tweet about Bradford signing, didn't you, who's

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<v Speaker 1>not played that much?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, to have I mean it was Ryan Sutton and

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't. I mean context is everything, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually poking. I wasn't having a go at Bradford or

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Sutton. Obviously he's had a lot of injury problems

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think I can't remember the exact stats.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not played many games. I think he only played

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<v Speaker 2>a handful of reserve grade games last year and all

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<v Speaker 2>through this year and the year before that. Not many

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<v Speaker 2>NRL games before that. So it's an interesting signing by Bradford.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, obviously he's one Grand finals I think at Wigan.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, a lot of Bradford fans are unhappy about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and John Bateman had to pop at me as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think as I said, contact is everything. When

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for players in what November October, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>many players. What people forget that the only players generally

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<v Speaker 2>available this time are players that no club wants or

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<v Speaker 2>they've been packed for some sort of off field controversy,

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<v Speaker 2>which is obviously not any of the players that we

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<v Speaker 2>just mentioned, but I mean in terms of the off

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<v Speaker 2>field controversy. But yeah, they're unwanted because most players make

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<v Speaker 2>decisions on their future nine to ten months in advance,

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<v Speaker 2>and probably so people forget that. So it is very

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<v Speaker 2>hard for Bradford, for York for to lose, to be

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<v Speaker 2>trying to build squads for Super League with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>four or five months.

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<v Speaker 1>Notice and half the budget. Well Bradford don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>half the budget, but yes, the other two. Yeah, definitely

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<v Speaker 1>talking of players who've planned ahead of things. Harry Newman

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<v Speaker 1>going to Perth, what can Perth fans expect?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a real surprising one because I was

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<v Speaker 2>actually listening to some other podcasts. Apparently he was linked

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<v Speaker 2>to an ror movie years ago when he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>burst on the scene. It apparently was South Sydney when

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<v Speaker 2>Shane Richard Richardson was there. We tried to sign him. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an interesting one, Harry, very talented attacking center, quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>quite dynamic, but probably known for not having the best temperamate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, gets wound up easily, loses his cool easily.

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<v Speaker 2>He did play in the Third Test for England against

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<v Speaker 2>Australian and Ashes most recently. So yeah, it's interesting that Perth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people in super League thought

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<v Speaker 2>Perth would try and target some and some super League

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<v Speaker 2>players and this has obviously happened. One of their first

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<v Speaker 2>signers I think, well, he's obviously not been confirmed, but

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the first signings that's actually come out

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<v Speaker 2>apart from Lindsay Smith. So will you adapt? How will

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<v Speaker 2>he go? I mean, yeah, some English players do really

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<v Speaker 2>well in the NROL. People in super League tend to

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<v Speaker 2>forget the ones that don't do so well, So will Price.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Calm Watkins didn't do well. There's lots right,

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<v Speaker 2>Hall barely played a game. There's lots who failed. There's

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<v Speaker 2>probably more who failed than thrive, to be honest, and

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who generally do succeed are props and edge

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<v Speaker 2>back rowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Magic Weekends going to Everton again. Sorry, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>Everton again as a game. Magic Weekend is going there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they going to paint the field this time? Lines?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, we're just who needs lines? It's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's another one that I mean only judging

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<v Speaker 2>by my social media, but a lot of people hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Look from the obviously I was there for the second Test.

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<v Speaker 2>From the media point of view, it's a fantastic stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>like bright, new, shiny, lovely place in the docks. There's

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<v Speaker 2>not a huge amount around it. It's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>out of the center of Liverpool, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's that far. There are a couple of pubs nearby,

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<v Speaker 2>and people got legs and they can get ubers. Well

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<v Speaker 2>some people have legs obviously sometimes, but it's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great for those who.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't obviously get you get you get your transport book.

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<v Speaker 1>But Newcastle, from the reporting that's been their Newcastle wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more money. Everyone was cheaper Everton. Obviously, Liverpool

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot closer to Wigginson, Helen's, Warrington Lee, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, I think it will be great there. I've

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<v Speaker 1>already booked my Saturday hotel. I love great Liverpool's a

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<v Speaker 1>great city as his Newcastle. But yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a I think it's a positive they picked. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the exact lineup of fixtures, but I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to play in Saint Helen's to end to.

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<v Speaker 2>End on the Sunday. I think the first game might be,

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<v Speaker 2>off the top of my head, York harders Field. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think they've got a good mixture.

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<v Speaker 1>Of league playing Bradford, are.

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<v Speaker 2>They I'm not. I'm not one hundred percent sure now

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<v Speaker 2>I need to check, but look, I think it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing is though, with Super leg going from

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<v Speaker 2>twelve to fourteen teams that were going to scrap magic

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't want loot fixtures, but then it's been

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<v Speaker 2>resurrected and it's a little fixture. It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think credit where credits due. The Super League of

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League Rugby Football League been quite good at leaking

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<v Speaker 1>stories out in the last few weeks, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the L's probably on a bit of a hiatus in

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<v Speaker 1>that regard. And as you know, Australia tends to shut

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<v Speaker 1>till next year. So so Superleg's got a great chance,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with the season starting so early as well. What

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well they've got another so the d you're back

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<v Speaker 2>in court on December third, so what is it we're

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<v Speaker 2>am in the twenty eighth where you are of November.

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<v Speaker 2>to put it lightly, they're buggered as a club. They've

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<v Speaker 2>to be pulled. It's it's amazing how these owners keep

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<v Speaker 2>But effectively there's at least two groups who are looking

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<v Speaker 2>it out. But the problem is the championship doesn't start

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<v Speaker 2>too long, so it's Alford if they you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>the championship. So they need to recruit a coach and players.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's there's a lot going on there. There's

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<v Speaker 2>in the next week or so things were not crystallize

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of what will happen and what has happened

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<v Speaker 2>over and the situation with Sulford, I mean, you were

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<v Speaker 2>broke might not be the word, but a battler, haven't

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<v Speaker 2>they even the John even in the John Wilkinson days.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean John Wilkinson left the club I think in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen. I mean he left it in debt.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the classic yo yo club and with Super

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<v Speaker 1>good Stint was at the seventies. The seventies, Yeah, Brian

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a unique place because Salford Salford. Salford is

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<v Speaker 1>so that the song dirty Old Town was apparently about Salford,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore solf Audiums see Salford as being the motorway

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<v Speaker 1>that goes past the Trafford Center everything inside that is

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<v Speaker 1>potentially Salford, even though that's Eckles and then Eccles. But

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<v Speaker 1>where Salford's ground is right now on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of that motorway. Many people will say that's not Salford,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's probably classed as the city of Salford.

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<v Speaker 1>And many people feel that Salford sort of ends just

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<v Speaker 1>past the whole hospital kind of thing when when you

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<v Speaker 1>go into Eccles. So some people complain that the club

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<v Speaker 1>isn't in Salford anymore. Yet those same people didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>go and watch them when they were in Salford either

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<v Speaker 1>and you could walk to the ground because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>really walk to the ground anymore unless you live in Earlham.

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<v Speaker 1>The the other thing though, where Sulford really benefited in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and again you know it's a shame Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Salford were one of the first clubs to build a

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<v Speaker 1>clubhouse at the end of the ground that you can

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<v Speaker 1>watch the game from and that was the place to

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<v Speaker 1>be apparently, so half of the Manchester United and Manchester

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<v Speaker 1>City players used to go there. So so that pumped

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<v Speaker 1>a load of money into the Rugby League club basically.

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<v Speaker 1>So and I you know, I did my formative weight

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<v Speaker 1>training and whatnot in that underneath that clubhouse in the

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<v Speaker 1>you felt part of the community there. So there's that,

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<v Speaker 1>there's that side of it too. So but on the

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<v Speaker 1>big behemos called Manchester City and Manchester United. And comparatively

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventies they were bigger still and then ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two ninety three we came into the Premier League era

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<v Speaker 1>became a really big global brand and little Load Salt

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<v Speaker 1>had probably suffered from that too. And you may remember

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<v Speaker 1>they changed their name to Salford City Reds to try

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<v Speaker 1>and keep the city naming. And I think they've done

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<v Speaker 1>so many things wrong over the years. I mean, they've

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<v Speaker 1>had so many different logos and badges and nicknames and

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<v Speaker 1>team names, and you know, this doesn't help. It literally

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't help. If you were to tell if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to ask what does a Salford Jersey look like? Would

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<v Speaker 1>be hard pressed to answer. Yeah, yeah, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you were to go to Wigan or Hull

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<v Speaker 1>LEFC and ask that same question, yeah, yeah, right. I

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<v Speaker 1>know they do variations on it. I do know that,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are rare putting that way. So they've done

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<v Speaker 1>so many things wrong in that regard. So you reap

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<v Speaker 1>what you sew, you reap what you sow, and from

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective, I think they possibly risked a bit too

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<v Speaker 1>much a few years ago, Yes, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>gone too far the other way. Sometimes the quickie you

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<v Speaker 1>go up, the quicker you go down as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think that's fair, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the previous administration who handed the club over to the

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<v Speaker 2>current owners, these two Keywi guys in February, they would

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<v Speaker 2>admit that they banked on things happening and probably risked

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<v Speaker 2>a bit because they'd had a great period where they

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<v Speaker 2>got to the Grown Final twenty nineteen and the Challenge

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<v Speaker 2>Cup final and twenty twenty and they were a top four,

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<v Speaker 2>top five team and I thought, well, we'll just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll risk a bit and the council will back us

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll stay and you will get sold and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get a better deal on you know, revenue from match days.

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<v Speaker 2>And none of those things happened. And effectively, the crowds

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<v Speaker 2>of even when they were top fourteen, they're never average.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you need to average probably seven or eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand fans and make money from those fans, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by owning your own stadium like Wakefield do, like Leads do,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Okay I do, and they don't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's always been a case of too much money

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<v Speaker 2>going out and not enough money coming in and it's

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<v Speaker 2>can we'll touch on this more in future episodes when

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<v Speaker 2>things crystallize, but there are there's definitely a lot happening.

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<v Speaker 1>With Salford, a lot, not a lot good for Salford fans.

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<v Speaker 1>When we stop recording. You just told me in England

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<v Speaker 1>are playing Tongue France in Perth. Yes, and PNG and

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<v Speaker 1>Warongong in the World Cup. That's been announced.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin's Sadler on of League Express has been quite critical

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<v Speaker 1>of the venue choices and not quite critical giving severe critique.

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<v Speaker 1>So for example, I don't want to quote him because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember exactly what he said, but he suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that England playing Tonga in Perth probably benefits England because

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<v Speaker 1>of the English the ASP in Perth, although there are

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<v Speaker 1>Tonguan's in Perth too, but there's more I would assume

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney, Brisbane, people who.

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<v Speaker 2>Live in Perth of British. I was at the England

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<v Speaker 2>France game in Perth and twenty seven More Cup and

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<v Speaker 1>Of support m H and PNNG in the Gong and

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<v Speaker 1>again I'm pretty convinced they'll be more English people than

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<v Speaker 2>And I.

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<v Speaker 1>Assume that this is design for England to have a

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<v Speaker 2>Lee, if you're the English, you're the coach of England,

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<v Speaker 2>would you rather play P and G in Port Moresby

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<v Speaker 2>or on Willan Conga? Well? I think the last time

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<v Speaker 2>Great Britain or England played P and G was in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen when P and G famously upset.

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<v Speaker 1>No No Noll will Cook quarter final. You're right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>point proven.

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<v Speaker 2>I think on their own turf and their own conditions

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<v Speaker 2>with their own fans, they grow another couple of legs. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the and it's really interesting considering the IRL

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<v Speaker 2>dispute for the RFL over four hundred thousand pounds, they're

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<v Speaker 2>allegitimate is owed to them from the last Walk sorry

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<v Speaker 2>you're the last Wall Cup, which was in England. They've

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<v Speaker 2>helped England out because not only do they play Tonga

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<v Speaker 2>in Perth, they stay in Perth so they're settled. They

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<v Speaker 2>And they play France in Perth, they're gonna have a nice,

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<v Speaker 2>you know time in Freemantle and then they fly over

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<v Speaker 2>to Wollongong the paying P ANDNG, so they've got a

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<v Speaker 2>massive leg up. It may not you know, it may

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<v Speaker 2>not work, but they've they've definitely been helped. New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>have been helped because there wasn't supposed to be any

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<v Speaker 2>games in New Zealand. We were told that Australia and

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<v Speaker 2>Papua New Guinea were hosting this tournament. But they've just

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<v Speaker 2>thrown a New Zealand group game over in christ Church

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<v Speaker 2>for the keyways. And then it's interesting with P and G.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got two pool games in P and G, but

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<v Speaker 2>then the third one for some reason, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Wollongong, so they get some help, but not

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<v Speaker 2>probably the crucial help they need against England. So it

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<v Speaker 2>is it is interesting how that's all worked out. On

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<v Speaker 2>Lebanon have two games in Western Sydney where obviously, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you've got Arncliff and the camera and areas,

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of Lebanese fans, but you know your Tonga

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<v Speaker 2>aren't playing in Auckland or Risbon. So yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting how they've they've worked that out.

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<v Speaker 1>The on the subject of England though and linking our

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<v Speaker 1>last Ashes Rugby League podcast with with our current one.

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<v Speaker 1>The silence has been deafening, really, hasn't it in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of yes, yeah, we got significantly beaten in the Ashes

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<v Speaker 1>by an Australian third string and in most cases and panic,

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<v Speaker 1>what panic? Basically how I had to find this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's you know, it's quite funny in several

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<v Speaker 2>ways because there was a bit of naval gazing for

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<v Speaker 2>a week a few days. There was a bit of outrage,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and you had, you know, comments from people

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<v Speaker 2>like Gary Schofield and Brian Karney and and other people.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Nigel Would did an interview with the BBC

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, oh, you know, we'll take a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of months to review. And to me, it's just they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do anything. Sure Wayne or staying the job,

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean he's been in the job for five years.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we've gone over this. We don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go over it again. But he's been the job five years.

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<v Speaker 1>He fouled Little World Cup, he foiled at the Ashes,

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<v Speaker 1>he got his tactics wrong, he got his selections wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you keep him in? But the argument from

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<v Speaker 2>the British media seems to be well, we're not having

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<v Speaker 2>a midyear test, so we're not helping him. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a bit of a cop out really, because

419
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<v Speaker 2>they could have had a midia test this year, but

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't want to play France because France isn't competitive

421
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<v Speaker 2>and they've beat him by sixty or seventy. So you

422
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<v Speaker 2>can't have your cake and eat it too, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I think either way you look at it, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to care about England full stop. Who's that the

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby Football League. They don't seem to care that England

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<v Speaker 1>have I would have lost the Ashes.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't necessarily say that. I would say it's difficult

429
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<v Speaker 2>for people in Australia understand, but the the league clubs

430
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<v Speaker 2>effectively kind of run the RFL, so they don't have

431
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<v Speaker 2>the power like of Landy to just say this is

432
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<v Speaker 2>what we're doing. So the clubs won't want to release

433
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<v Speaker 2>their players, they won't want to change the calendar. The

434
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<v Speaker 2>other element is they don't have any money, so they

435
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<v Speaker 2>can't send England down to play New Zealand and Origins

436
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<v Speaker 2>on because they don't have one hundred grand or eighty

437
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<v Speaker 2>grand whatever it would cost to do that. So there

438
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<v Speaker 2>are economics here. People forget the wider picture.

439
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<v Speaker 1>Surely surely Super League club can release their players for

440
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<v Speaker 1>one game, Well they don't gain you know, the fix,

441
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<v Speaker 1>the fix the fixture list for whole KR to play

442
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<v Speaker 1>against York. Yeah, yeah, their life easier. So you get

443
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<v Speaker 1>you work out the fictional lists so that Wigan can

444
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<v Speaker 1>still win. All the powerful clubs can still win even

445
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<v Speaker 1>though six of their players might be playing England versus

446
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<v Speaker 1>the All Stars. That's how you do it.

447
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<v Speaker 2>We had we had to combineations All Stars, which was

448
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<v Speaker 2>basically the Exiles for a few years, but we didn't.

449
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<v Speaker 2>We didn't. They didn't have Bed and French, they didn't

450
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<v Speaker 2>have gidge Field. Basically, all the top clubs didn't release

451
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<v Speaker 2>their foreign players to play against England becausey didn't want

452
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<v Speaker 2>them injured. So yeah, the club's were all the roost

453
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<v Speaker 2>and it's just not going to happen.

454
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<v Speaker 1>They're killing the game beyond its own shores. You mentioned

455
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<v Speaker 1>earlier the Rugby Football League in dispute with the International

456
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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League. So if this isn't sorted, are England wanted

457
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<v Speaker 1>to be playing in port ballsby comeback stadium and Paris.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they just won't be getting any money.

459
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<v Speaker 1>It'll be staying in motels.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really interesting dispute because this is I wrote

461
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<v Speaker 2>about this debt a year ago and it's in the accounts.

462
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<v Speaker 2>It's in the actual World Cup accounts. You can go

463
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<v Speaker 2>on company's house to see it, which is quite funny

464
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<v Speaker 2>because the new r f l C is coming, so

465
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<v Speaker 2>there's no debt, you know.

466
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<v Speaker 1>It's like, but you're senior accounts and they've been trying

467
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<v Speaker 1>to work it out for a couple of years now,

468
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<v Speaker 1>but I think the kind of time for the i

469
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<v Speaker 1>r L and they're obviously being backed.

470
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<v Speaker 2>By the n r L, and that's the greater play

471
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<v Speaker 2>between the NRL and Super League, isn't it, you know,

472
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<v Speaker 2>a takeover, a partnership whatever. And this is a bit

473
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<v Speaker 2>of a what would you call it, a bit of

474
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<v Speaker 2>a yeah, yeah, a bit of a bit of incentive

475
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<v Speaker 2>perhaps to do a deal. But they've gone public with

476
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>it and Troy Grant's made some pretty strong comments, so yeah,

477
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's quite the saga, quite the situation. An

478
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:55.480
<v Speaker 2>r L pers have signed Harry Newman, so they need

479
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>at least another twelve their signings are coming thick and fast.

480
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<v Speaker 2>I've read I've read Tiring, I read Tyrant Wish are

481
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<v Speaker 2>visiting Perse in the next few ye I think I

482
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>think Lindsay Smith is pretty close to getting announced. I

483
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>think they're in for him. I think Jayde Campbell knocked

484
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<v Speaker 2>them back. I mean, I think the Dolphins had the

485
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 2>same problems, didn't they They went in for Monster and

486
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<v Speaker 2>pong Are and they got knocked back quite a lot.

487
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<v Speaker 1>So there was a there was a comparison though, and

488
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Speaker 1>apparently they were ahead.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well the Dolphins, you would think they'd go in

490
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<v Speaker 2>for Tino, considering he said that. He I mean, I

491
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<v Speaker 2>know you're not a big Tino fans, remembering from the Ashes,

492
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>but he said he was.

493
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<v Speaker 1>You know, I am a big Tenal fan. I am

494
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<v Speaker 1>a big Tenal fan. I just don't think he's the

495
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 1>player that. I don't think Glenn Lazarus and Shane Webke

496
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>have to worry about their place and the pantheon. That's

497
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>all you like as much as you like not theory,

498
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<v Speaker 1>but anyone, Scott, don't still you start. We're going to

499
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<v Speaker 1>talk about that soon. Yeah, No, I don't. I don't

500
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 1>mind teen or at all.

501
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 2>He said he was going to look at his options.

502
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they do need Look, they need they need players,

503
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>they need a spine, so I wouldn't. I mean, obviously

504
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>George Williams is going from Warrington to the Dolphins in

505
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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven.

506
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that confirmed? Well it is, it's happening. It's not

507
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>being confirmed publicly, but I bet your life on Itly

508
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>put it that way, thanks, Manly. Reuben Garrick has now left,

509
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 1>so that's he's leaving to go to the Roosters. Yeah,

510
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and daily Cherry Evans is already there and the mestrof

511
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 1>has left. Is that a happy club?

512
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Well? No, it's not been a big love. I mean

513
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<v Speaker 2>this year I was gonna say last year. This year

514
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.559
<v Speaker 2>has been an absolute fucking nightmare for man fans. And

515
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm a Manly fan, so I know how much of

516
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>a nightmare it has been. But look, I think Jason King, Look,

517
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>he was a great player, he was a it was

518
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 2>a prop. He was an intelligent prop, so he was rare.

519
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>He had degrees and everything. He's highly regarded. He's the

520
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:28.519
<v Speaker 2>new CEO. I think crucially he gets on with a

521
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of the manly old old boys who are quite influential,

522
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, you chop one Stuarts and that Karen Forn's

523
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>come in as an assistant, which I think is another

524
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>popular move. Another ex player. Probably Turbo's got the captaincy

525
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 2>that well, it's interesting. I mean you would have given

526
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.880
<v Speaker 2>to would have given it to maybe Jake, but you

527
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>know there's doubts about his long term future. You know,

528
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 2>head knocks and everything.

529
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>So I think there's plenty of doubts about Tommy Turbo's

530
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>long term.

531
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, of course he's he needs to stay fit,

532
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't he. So look the pressures on Anthony Seabold, you

533
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>know Jamal Fogg and he has come in. He's got

534
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>to build a house partnership with Luke Brooks Tata Cola

535
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>can't pronounce his first name. I think he's been linked

536
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 2>with a few clubs as well. So there there's some

537
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>stuff to sort of. Mainly, they really need to have

538
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 2>a much better season this year because I think if

539
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>they don't start well, Seabolt will be gone.

540
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Right John, This is the bit that everyone's going to

541
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>look forward to every week. We're going to spice things up.

542
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Now we've run through bits and news and ticked a

543
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.319
<v Speaker 1>few boxes but now we're going to get spicy each

544
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>fortnite during the off season, and then from February will

545
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>probably be weekly. We're going to have Johnny's Jab and

546
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 1>he's laugh. Now my laugh could be something funny or

547
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>something geez, that's a lot. They're having a laugh, aren't they?

548
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>And this week minds they're having a laugh, aren't they.

549
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>The Johnny's job can only really be you know what

550
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 1>jab is a punch, isn't it so? Or an objection

551
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 1>of some kind? So what's what's Johnny's Jab this week?

552
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm gonna stop. I'm going out wait wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry,

553
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:39.559
<v Speaker 1>we can get these sponsored Johnny's Jab sponsored by everlastank God,

554
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>what's Johnny's jab this week? Sponsored by everyone?

555
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I think just I mean, I think I've always been

556
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a fan of Twitter or exit Coder, but since mass

557
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>taken over, it's just it has gone to the dogs.

558
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 2>But some of the the comments and interactions that I

559
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>get a Daly basis, I don't. I don't actually respond

560
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.880
<v Speaker 2>very much anymore because it's a lot of it is

561
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>a waste of time and it's just conclude fucking nonsense.

562
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>But some of the way the comments that people put in.

563
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>You just wonder what are they thinking hoping to achieve?

564
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 1>I highlight one I received today from Dave Beverly, and

565
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>I posted a story that Steve Masko had written about

566
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay are expressing a preference to play a promoted side

567
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a round one obviously before the World Club Challenge, to

568
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of give them an easy game before they places

569
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 1>to b Broncos. And there's this comment from Dave Beverly

570
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>which said, the RFL handed everything.

571
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>To KR last season. What made you think this coming

572
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>season would be any different? Question mark? It's just mean

573
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<v Speaker 2>for those who don't know k I want to trouble.

574
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<v Speaker 1>So they won the league, they fit, they won to

575
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>my premiership, they won the Grand Fall and they won

576
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the chance, which they I don't think they know, They've

577
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>never done in the one hundred whatever year history.

578
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:59.839
<v Speaker 2>It's not an easy thing to do. So I just

579
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Dave maybe a whole C fan, I would

580
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>imagine he is, But how are you supposed to end that?

581
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Like?

582
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 2>What have they been? And to be honest, a lot

583
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 2>of people and that's the other thing.

584
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 1>We live in an outrage era, don't we leave everyone's

585
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.159
<v Speaker 1>outrage and angry about everything? As a sense of humor,

586
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know everyone is a snowflake. But what's the

587
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>problem with them playing York before they play the Broncos

588
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and then they fight a vega something? To help them

589
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>out if you can help them out, whether it's Wholekay,

590
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Wigan, whether it's in Helen's, if you can

591
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>help them out in the fiction, they've got to play

592
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.159
<v Speaker 1>York sometime, you know, what's what's the issue?

593
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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't really see an issue because it

594
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>is the best of Super League against the best of

595
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 2>the NRL. It's not just one club. So yeah, I don't.

596
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:48.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't get the outrage.

597
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 1>So your job is about crazy people online? Look, I've yeah,

598
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>we often share on our personal socials, don't we the

599
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.519
<v Speaker 1>bits and bobs that we get. I I have had

600
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a barage in the last few weeks so and it's

601
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>been based on my critiques of England in the Ashes

602
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 1>in particular. Things really started. I get people in England

603
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 1>telling me that I've got something against England. And I

604
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>had one fellow the other day say, oh, it's not

605
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>like you to be to put a negative take on something,

606
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and it was that I said, isn't turbo or risk

607
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 1>as captain because of his injury rate.

608
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 2>That's a fair point.

609
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<v Speaker 1>That's a fair point, right negative, And it's like this

610
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<v Speaker 1>first of all, so these are these are the these

611
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 1>are the innocent ones, right, these are the these are

612
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the gentle ones that you know, people say, oh, you're

613
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 1>being negative. In England, this is particularly prevalent. Do you

614
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>think that if you don't say warm and fuzzy things

615
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 1>being negative? There's a reason a lot of the things

616
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.280
<v Speaker 1>we say aren't particularly warm and fuzzy, and that's because

617
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.599
<v Speaker 1>most of the game in England is absolutely shit right,

618
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 1>it's running an average way, it can be a lot better.

619
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 1>The Super League is allowed to be economically dwindled so

620
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that we have reserve grade players playing in Australia who

621
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>then move over to become Super League players. And that's

622
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 1>part of Lee's laugh. Actually I'll talk about that. And

623
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<v Speaker 1>we haven't England, haven't beaten Australia or Great Britain, haven't

624
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<v Speaker 1>beaten Australia in a series or a World Cup for

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five years. And you want us to be warm

626
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<v Speaker 1>and fuzzy all the time. No, these things need to change.

627
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<v Speaker 1>So just because somebody says they need to change. That

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<v Speaker 1>does not mean they are being negative. It means they

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<v Speaker 1>are highlighting what needs to change. And just because Turbo

630
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<v Speaker 1>has been injured and I mentioned it doesn't mean I'm

631
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<v Speaker 1>being negative. I am just critiquing. And so that's the

632
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<v Speaker 1>first thing. And they're the nice people that the other

633
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<v Speaker 1>ones are the abusive ones. And since I did the

634
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<v Speaker 1>English stuff, and then I decided I was going to

635
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.320
<v Speaker 1>critique Nathan Cleary. Now, first of all, people assume I

636
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 1>don't like Nathan Cleary. Why the hell would I not

637
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<v Speaker 1>like Nathan Cleary has not done anything wrong to me.

638
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<v Speaker 1>I worked at Penrith, I don't I don't have anything

639
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.800
<v Speaker 1>against Penrith. I don't support any n RL team. I

640
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 1>just look at the things the way I see them.

641
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Nathan Cleary has been playing poorly and red football. So

642
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I decided to do something about it and do a

643
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 1>video outlining that I don't mind anybody arguing with me

644
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in debate. I don't mind that, but the personal stuff

645
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>that goes beyond the pale, and we're in that world

646
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<v Speaker 1>now and I'm unfortunately in my screenshot of not save

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<v Speaker 1>the name of this person, Well, this is one personal

648
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<v Speaker 1>message I got somebody dm me, and I was so

649
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<v Speaker 1>tempted to call him on his Facebook page and give

650
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<v Speaker 1>him a mouthful. And I've got a lung speus like that.

651
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.760
<v Speaker 1>He said, cock Womble, you're a nobody, So glad we

652
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:23.679
<v Speaker 1>humiliated you. This is a personal message to me, right.

653
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I love putting dickheads who've never done anything in their place,

654
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.800
<v Speaker 1>people like you, people who think know everything about a

655
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>particular discipline, people who have never done anything. Who the

656
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:38.199
<v Speaker 1>fuck are you?

657
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 2>What did you ever do?

658
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Who did you play for or coach in the NRL?

659
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.559
<v Speaker 1>You know fuck all obviously. Why don't you go and

660
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>drink a few more pints of tepid rats piss and

661
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.519
<v Speaker 1>go back to your tower block on the estate and

662
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 1>try and scrape together enough money for another six pints.

663
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<v Speaker 1>Some fucking northern who thinks he knows something about rugby league,

664
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<v Speaker 1>you're just annoying. You're talking yourself up like England are something,

665
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.039
<v Speaker 1>but they're not. You invented the game, ah, rugby league

666
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and cricket, but your shit at both. Just stop embarrassing yourself.

667
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.519
<v Speaker 1>That hit a nerve with me because I grew up

668
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<v Speaker 1>in poverty bit and I've battled my way out of it.

669
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<v Speaker 1>And he decided to take a punt on that, and

670
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<v Speaker 1>he'd never say that to my face. And you know

671
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<v Speaker 1>the other thing, John, I've put posts out on my

672
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<v Speaker 1>Facebook inviting people to come and debate me on the podcast.

673
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<v Speaker 1>Guess how many people have taken me up on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The part of the thing in modern world is

675
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 2>people will say anything online, but they would never actually,

676
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, say that to your face, or they post

677
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<v Speaker 2>things without having any thought of the consequences or what

678
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<v Speaker 2>their accidents. And yeah, it's just a general degradation of society, sadly,

679
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:10.320
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, that's why I never used to but I

680
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<v Speaker 2>will block people now who are abusive. They just waste time.

681
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 1>It's just people who like to interact with people who exactly.

682
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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed debating. I enjoyed and I've gotten many many

683
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Speaker 2>things wrong. And I'll hold my hand up.

684
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I've had conversations with people and you know, I've gotten

685
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 1>stories wrong, or I've you know, said or done things

686
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 1>that I regret because we're all human, we all make mistakes.

687
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>But there's no reason to go to petty levels of

688
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 1>abuse over you know, things that their opinions. And you know,

689
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 1>people like to invent agendas that that people don't have.

690
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's bad stand of affairs.

691
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 2>You've just got to yeah, try and rise above it.

692
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<v Speaker 2>Basically m.

693
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<v Speaker 1>Lee's laugh brought to you by you could fill this

694
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<v Speaker 1>spot now Les Lee's laugh.

695
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<v Speaker 2>I know what Lee's laugh is. The English cricket team. Yah, yeah, Yeah,

696
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<v Speaker 2>it's been a tough seven weeks for you, hasn't the

697
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 2>funny thing about them saying more than this? And yes

698
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<v Speaker 2>I'm proud English. We lived in Australia nearly twenty years.

699
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I've paid more tax in Australia than they have in England.

700
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<v Speaker 2>Put it that way anyway, the half point where you

701
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<v Speaker 2>you have lived in Australia longer than you lived in

702
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 2>the UK far away Lee's laugh.

703
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<v Speaker 1>I'm now going to I'm going to combine this with

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00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>media watch right, because that's another section. But media hasn't

705
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>been that lively lately. So on their website they announced

706
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Warrington Wolves that they were delighted to confirm the double

707
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>signing of James Bentley and Josh Smith. Bentley is a

708
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>backrower who's played one hundred and eighty one times for

709
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Say Helens I Think and Elms and Leeds won international

710
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:21.159
<v Speaker 1>caps for Ireland lifted the Grand Final trophy and two

711
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>League Leaders shields and then it went Josh Smith. A

712
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>tenacious competitor. The twenty four year old has voted the

713
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Brisbane Tigers Player of the Year in a season where

714
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 1>he made the most run meters across the entire Host

715
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Plus Club Host Plus Cup, including topping the charts for

716
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.320
<v Speaker 1>post contact meters, and he's played eighty one games of

717
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>reserve grade in Australia. This is a club John that

718
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<v Speaker 1>in the past has signed the like Sir Adrian Morley,

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<v Speaker 1>Joey Jones, Andrew g Alfie Langer Love rugby League in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty On the twenty third of June twenty twenty three,

721
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>a guy called Josh McAllister. I don't if you know him.

722
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.360
<v Speaker 1>He wrote the Warrington Woollves History of overseas signings, Lee's

723
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>questions over their recruitment strategy and he talked about Josh

724
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>McGuire lasting only two months there, Greg Engliss arriving in

725
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one after only playing and played only three

726
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>games after coming out of retirement to go to Warrington,

727
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and he also mentioned Billy mcgoolis who made seven appearance,

728
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Alarie Latu who made three and Anthony Gelling who made

729
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:39.880
<v Speaker 1>a whopping thirteen appearances. So that's that's Lee's laugh this

730
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<v Speaker 1>week is well number one what's happening with super League

731
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.920
<v Speaker 1>recruitment in general? But number two of Warrington got a

732
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.079
<v Speaker 1>media a recruitment problem.

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<v Speaker 2>John, Yeah, I mean I did a piece with Carl

734
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Fitzpatrick during the ashes the Cyar Warrington. I did a

735
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.840
<v Speaker 2>longs about basically they had a terrible year. I think

736
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>they finished eighth, lost the Challenge Cup final, missed the semifinals.

737
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Sam Burgess was a whisker of been sacked like that's

738
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 2>the and maybe he should have been sacked because he

739
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think he was too pally with the

740
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<v Speaker 2>with his players. He's obviously a young coach and then

741
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 2>when you know some of them, the discipline wasn't there.

742
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, he couldn't get them back because he was

743
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 2>too pally.

744
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can't go from being bouncing on a

745
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.360
<v Speaker 1>table in Las Vegas after they've just been beaten by

746
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.079
<v Speaker 1>fifty was the best choice of actor.

747
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was another bad look look at

748
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:43.159
<v Speaker 2>easy young coach and I'm sure I'll learned for that.

749
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 2>And he had a great year twenty twenty four. But yeah,

750
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.119
<v Speaker 2>in terms of Warrington, you could argue they've had a

751
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 2>recruitment problem problem for quite a while. But I will

752
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>give the club credit and the fact that they've made

753
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:59.280
<v Speaker 2>a focus on their academy. And this is always particularly

754
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>by Wigan fan because Warrington end up spugning a lot

755
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 2>of Wigan players that they're buying club and not a

756
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 2>development club. You know, while Wigan are a development club,

757
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Saint Helens are development club, Leeds club. But Warrington I

758
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>have put a lot of money into their academy and

759
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:18.039
<v Speaker 2>they are burying one of the young kids. You and

760
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Irwin who's a seventeen year old half back who the

761
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Bulldogs and four other clubs were after him. Joey Johnson

762
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>has publicly said about what a talent he is. There's

763
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 2>lots of other good young players who are going to

764
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 2>get opportunities. Are Kay Tyler Ray the full back? So

765
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 2>they are they've changed their model now. The Billy Smith one.

766
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I must admit when I when I saw that press release,

767
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I said who. And I don't know every player who

768
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 2>plays in the New so Well's Cup and the Q

769
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Cup all in the NRL, but I know quite a

770
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<v Speaker 2>few of them. I've never heard of him. No, now

771
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I was in kids.

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<v Speaker 1>CAZ sorry ket Kaze.

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00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look he may you turned out to be a

774
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<v Speaker 2>good signing, you know, but you would have thought at

775
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the age of twenty four, he's been scouted by every

776
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 2>NRL club. He's probably maybe spent some time in a system.

777
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's a few ways to look at it.

778
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I think people have to realize that the NRL salary

779
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>caps two and a half to three times bigger than

780
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the Super League one and the money just isn't there

781
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.840
<v Speaker 2>for name signings anymore. So there's going to be there

782
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.559
<v Speaker 2>already is a lot more of these, you know, reserve

783
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>grade players at York and at other clubs Wake for

784
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>for example, and look some of them turned out, you know,

785
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to be great buyers. You could argue Bevan French and

786
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>joy Field who'd played had played some NRL but not

787
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot, and they've been arguably two of the four

788
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 2>or five best players in Super League for the past

789
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 2>three or four years. So there are players who can

790
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 2>take an opportunity, who are you so Well's Cup or

791
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Queensland Cup reguls who can take an opportunity super League

792
00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and develop and become stars, So that's real. But yeah,

793
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Warrington have a history of recruits haven't worked out. That's

794
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 2>you can't. We can't dispute that because all the players

795
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:15.159
<v Speaker 2>you name, then there's several others. Look, Matt Dufty started

796
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 2>off well, had a great twenty twenty four, he had

797
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.400
<v Speaker 2>a terrible year this year. I think he's on his

798
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 2>way out of the club. And anyone who's followed Matt

799
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Dufty's career at the Dragons knows great attacking player, but

800
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 2>not great defensively and a bit rocks and that's what happened.

801
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.280
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I think some of the recruitments,

802
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 2>some of the scouting at some Super League clubs leaves

803
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot to be desired.

804
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I also think there was well that this has been

805
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>expedited because of the Super League decision to increase the

806
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 1>overseas quota, which again contributes to my theory that the

807
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>powers that be don't care about the English team.

808
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, it definitely has been is us about it by that?

809
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 2>And part of that is because isn't enough local talent

810
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 2>who's arguably good enough to fill those spots, and we

811
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 2>have this weird system with the Championship and League One

812
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>where players are actually paid quite well to be part time.

813
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>So he might be in the Championship. You might be

814
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 2>on twenty grand, which is you know, twenty pounds which

815
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 2>say strained dollars, and you could go and play full

816
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.599
<v Speaker 2>time and be on you know, forty grand, but you're

817
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 2>actually working as well as getting paid to play rugby league.

818
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 2>So he might make sixty grand, So why are you

819
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.840
<v Speaker 2>going to throw that away? A lot of them don't,

820
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 2>so there needs to be a shift in the market

821
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and the structure.

822
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>What's the player called who left Salford? Really I wrote

823
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.519
<v Speaker 1>about him in my book. He's a classic case of it, right,

824
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 1>He's gone through his career yo yoing between Super League

825
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and Championship and the scenario. You know, he probably I

826
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:59.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know Ryan Breally, but I do. He probably thought

827
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 1>he was one of those players who thought, I need

828
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 1>to be a Super League regardless, I'll take a financial hit,

829
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a shoon or.

830
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.119
<v Speaker 2>He was an interesting one because he was a star

831
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 2>at the league when they're in the championship and then

832
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>he got a big money moved to Huddersfield and he

833
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 2>was a half back and they wanted to make him

834
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 2>to a fullback and that basically failed and then Toronto

835
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 2>came in and I can't remember if he joined when

836
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>they're in League One, the third division or in the Championship,

837
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 2>but he got a big money move there. It was

838
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.519
<v Speaker 2>great help them go up, and then basically Brian McDermott

839
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted him out. I'm trying to remember where he went next.

840
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 2>It might have been Salford or it might have been

841
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else, but he went to He basically became a regular,

842
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 2>a Super League regular Salford and did quite well. Now

843
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 2>he's dropped back down into Oldham. He's also got a

844
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:51.119
<v Speaker 2>career as a football agent. He represents women's soccer players,

845
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the England internationals and some of the top

846
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 2>female soft players. So he's doing quite well off the field.

847
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.880
<v Speaker 2>He's a pretty smart guy. But yeah, his opportunities to

848
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 2>play parts of rugby league against still get paid reasonably

849
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>well and the jump up of Super League isn't that far,

850
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>So would you do it financially? You've got to think,

851
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.559
<v Speaker 2>you know about your career can be over in one injury.

852
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:15.719
<v Speaker 2>You got to think about your future.

853
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.719
<v Speaker 1>And I guess my point about writing really is if

854
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:25.239
<v Speaker 1>he was in Australia, he'd have found his level and

855
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>been more consistent with it, and I dare say he

856
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:32.679
<v Speaker 1>probably would have achieved more in Australia because the system

857
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.440
<v Speaker 1>would have just been more able to get him to

858
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 1>where he needed to be, whereas he would have yo

859
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:42.360
<v Speaker 1>yeled between Super League and Championship like he went he

860
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.599
<v Speaker 1>went down to Lee, down a division to Lee when

861
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>they were in the lower division and ended up being

862
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:53.239
<v Speaker 1>their top tri scorer ever or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah,

863
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel sorry for players like him in

864
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 1>the English system, and I guess it's the fact that

865
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.639
<v Speaker 1>now the competition is going to be flooded with Queensland

866
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Cup and New South Wales Cup players basically moving forward,

867
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 1>and like you said, if they're not, if they're not

868
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:21.159
<v Speaker 1>getting signed early, they'll be tied up in New South

869
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Wales and Queensland Cup systems. So these clubs Bradford York

870
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.719
<v Speaker 1>until lose are going to have to go even lower

871
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 1>in the Australian system. I'm waiting for the day when

872
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.920
<v Speaker 1>an a grader in park football gets called up to

873
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 1>play Super League mate or something, because I think it's

874
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:42.760
<v Speaker 1>only it's only going to head that way.

875
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, the mad the mad thing is is that in

876
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 2>the championship in League one. So in the second and

877
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 2>thirties there's no quota, so all of them could could

878
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 2>field seventeen Australian who we parking in Guineas. And you

879
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.679
<v Speaker 2>see it in League one. You know, clubs like Rochdown,

880
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, had all these Aussies and what's the point

881
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.159
<v Speaker 2>of that doing well? Why is that? How is that

882
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>helping the English game? It isn't because these clubs are

883
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 2>getting a thousand people to to you know, a thousand

884
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 2>fans paying, but they might these clubs might be playing

885
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, ten to fifteen grand for an overseas player.

886
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.519
<v Speaker 2>It's just a mad system that it's just propped up

887
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.840
<v Speaker 2>by some rich individuals but makes no sense. It makes

888
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 2>no business sense and it doesn't actually it actually hurts

889
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the English game because it's taking away from the pathway system.

890
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:34.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there needs to be there needs to be

891
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 2>a realization at some point. I think we're getting there,

892
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 2>but it certainly hasn't. Certainly hasn't happened. I actually I'm

893
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 2>just trying to find it, but I can't seem to

894
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 2>find it. But I made a list of the import

895
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.760
<v Speaker 2>players in Super League fifteen years ago, and if you

896
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>look at a quality that was there compared to now,

897
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>it's staggering. You know, you had Danny Bideiris, you had

898
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Tommy lula Wai, you know, the Pooler Tours, Francis Mealy.

899
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, you had basically you had a list of

900
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:17.079
<v Speaker 2>players who'd either played a shitload of NRL or international

901
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.920
<v Speaker 2>for Australia or New Zealand or Origin. And some of

902
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.119
<v Speaker 2>them might have been older or whatever, but they were

903
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, the talent was quite good. And obviously that

904
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 2>benefits the younger English players because if you're if you're

905
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>training and playing with the Danny Badias or against the

906
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Danny Bidierris, you know, one of the greatest hookers of

907
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.119
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of decades, you learn a lot. But

908
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:39.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're playing against some twenty two year old from

909
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 2>the Queensland Cup, how much learning. So the training quality

910
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.679
<v Speaker 2>and that that's partly is because Super League has either

911
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 2>gone down or flatlined and the NRL has just gone

912
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.199
<v Speaker 2>up and up and up, and the money is all

913
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.360
<v Speaker 2>in Australia. So that's that's one of the reasons why

914
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 2>you know that some of those top players aren't coming

915
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>to super League anymore because the opportunity. The financial incentive is.

916
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Just not there, and that comes back to administrators, it does.

917
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's they've not been able to grow

918
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.239
<v Speaker 2>the sport. They're not being able to grow their revenues.

919
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 2>See in the history of poor administrators who getgurgitated. And

920
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.400
<v Speaker 2>we've got another one back in charge now who was

921
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 2>in charge of that period as well.

922
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 1>The alarming thing for me was on the Ashes podcast

923
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.280
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned this in sort of in passing. You said

924
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:39.639
<v Speaker 1>that clubs aren't great with the media anymore. They don't

925
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 1>actively encourage basically them to the NROL players are better trained,

926
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 1>if you like. And I was a Super League media manager.

927
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.800
<v Speaker 1>They almost the early stages of Super League, if you like,

928
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 1>and there was every club was told they needed a

929
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 1>media manager, community development manager, etc. Etc. And there was

930
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 1>a big push for clubs to really cozy up to

931
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the media. And in a quarter of a century that's

932
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.599
<v Speaker 1>just completely changed and they probably need it now more

933
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>than ever, particularly with the types of media we have

934
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 1>out there now, and they're just doing the exact opposite.

935
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely scary. And the other thing back to

936
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 1>the signings, I remember about four years ago when mate

937
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Chris texting me and said, what do you know about

938
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 1>this player cade Cust who signed for Wigan. Well, first

939
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 1>of all, if a bloke in England in this era

940
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of everybody being able to watch everything around the world,

941
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.960
<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard of a player that tells you everything you

942
00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:00.760
<v Speaker 1>need to know. Secondly, I had to go okay, cost

943
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to sign him m and I thought

944
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 1>this is trouble.

945
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, look he at least, you know, to his credit,

946
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:12.840
<v Speaker 2>he came through I think it was the mainly system

947
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Speaker 2>and he played some role for mainly. I'd seen him

948
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 2>play a bit for mainly. You know he's a fringe player.

949
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:20.119
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he didn't work out at Wigan, did he?

950
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 2>And he's kind of hollow ce. And you wouldn't say

951
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:26.920
<v Speaker 2>if you if you say the six to seven input

952
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.519
<v Speaker 2>players in any super club, you probably should be one

953
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.159
<v Speaker 2>of the first names on the team sheet. You know,

954
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be, you know, missing every second week. You

955
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.519
<v Speaker 2>should be a guaranteed starter, because that's the reason you're

956
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.440
<v Speaker 2>an import. But I wouldn't say he's in every seventeen

957
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 2>of Holoft season. That sort of sort of shows the

958
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 2>reality of the situation.

959
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, we don't want to get too negative because people

960
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.880
<v Speaker 1>might say we're being negative. John will end the podcast

961
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.039
<v Speaker 1>with my analysis segment each week so that you know,

962
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.519
<v Speaker 1>if people are listening to it and they think, I

963
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know leave saying because he's talking about pictures at

964
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.239
<v Speaker 1>least then they can turn the podcast off and go

965
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 1>to the YouTube, the Rugby League Coach YouTube channel and

966
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.320
<v Speaker 1>watch the clip. So I've done an analysis clip John

967
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:14.199
<v Speaker 1>on different types of tackles, so shoulder contact tackles, hit

968
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and drive versus the catch and wrestle. So it basically

969
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:21.880
<v Speaker 1>England did catch and catch and wrestle and Australia did

970
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.519
<v Speaker 1>a bit more shoulder contact and I've gone through that

971
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.079
<v Speaker 1>in this analysis video, but also use some other other

972
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 1>teams as example. So before we go to that, John

973
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:31.960
<v Speaker 1>just remind people where they can get you.

974
00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 2>You can get me on x at Johnny d Davidson

975
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and get me on Facebook at John Davidson Journalist and

976
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 2>on Patreon at Ugby League hub dot com long Reads and.

977
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.320
<v Speaker 1>We'll catch up in a fortnight to do episode two

978
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of Super League three sixty.

979
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good.

980
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 1>What I one to take you through today are two

981
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.199
<v Speaker 1>very common types of tackle technique which are in evidence

982
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.559
<v Speaker 1>very much in the NRL and the Super League every

983
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 1>single week. It's just that casual fans or viewers may

984
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 1>not notice these subtle differences. So allow me to take

985
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you through using footage from the recent England and Australia

986
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Test matches and some other footage. I don't want you

987
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 1>to get wrapped up in the fact that this is

988
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 1>England versus Australia. I just want you to recognize that

989
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.639
<v Speaker 1>the team in the white England tackled with what we

990
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>would call a catch style of tackle technique, and Australia,

991
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:33.360
<v Speaker 1>particularly Harry Grant, didn't. Now, this is the very first

992
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:37.119
<v Speaker 1>collision of the second Test, England coming out very aggressively.

993
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:40.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go back a little bit earlier. This

994
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.679
<v Speaker 1>is coming from the kickoff, England coming out aggressively. Now,

995
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>if you look at that collision, all of the players,

996
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.440
<v Speaker 1>including the player that spun off, is very upright. They're

997
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.320
<v Speaker 1>going in with their chest okay, and they then try

998
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 1>and put the player down and control the rook as

999
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.079
<v Speaker 1>a result on the floor. I'm not necessarily going to

1000
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.960
<v Speaker 1>go through the wrestling elements today, However, I do want

1001
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you to notice the direction of where the players with

1002
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 1>the ball go after the initial collision. Now I have

1003
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.320
<v Speaker 1>paused the tape here at what I call the contact line,

1004
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.000
<v Speaker 1>or what we call the contact line. Pattick Arrogan has

1005
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 1>taken the ball in and he has been met by

1006
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 1>the English defense. Now it's very clear from this freeze

1007
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:29.719
<v Speaker 1>frame that England are going in to catch chest first,

1008
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:34.119
<v Speaker 1>open arms, not the top of the shoulder. And Pat

1009
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.559
<v Speaker 1>Carrigan's initial contact there just went over the contact line

1010
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 1>a bit. Now England actually bring Pat Carrigan towards their

1011
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:47.840
<v Speaker 1>own try line in their wrestling or post contact wrestling. Okay,

1012
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is my point. So you can actually lose

1013
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.599
<v Speaker 1>some momentum in your defensive line if you tackle like

1014
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:56.400
<v Speaker 1>this with the chess, but it also shows you how

1015
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:59.599
<v Speaker 1>good these players are at control. So I want you

1016
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 1>to know tis how often England used the chess contact

1017
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.280
<v Speaker 1>in all these clips. Again, before I take you to

1018
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 1>what Australia and in particular Harry Grant did so chess

1019
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:12.800
<v Speaker 1>contact towards the trial line of England. On the next collision,

1020
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:16.039
<v Speaker 1>you'll see Harry Grant's collision straight in with the top

1021
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 1>of the shoulder. Now this could be something he gets

1022
01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:22.639
<v Speaker 1>taught at Melbourne, but they're very subtle differences and in fact,

1023
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:24.639
<v Speaker 1>I think you'll agree with me. Australia are a lot

1024
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:26.840
<v Speaker 1>more compact in what they do there. Their bodies are

1025
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:30.320
<v Speaker 1>tighter to Herbie farm with there as they are controlling

1026
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:33.360
<v Speaker 1>him down to the ground. Again, Angus Crichton, that was

1027
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:35.679
<v Speaker 1>a shoulder contact. If you asked me, he wasn't necessarily

1028
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the top of the shoulder, but the back was bent more.

1029
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.079
<v Speaker 1>Let's go back and watch those again, Harry Grant's shoulder

1030
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:44.480
<v Speaker 1>contact and I'm going to tell you why the shoulder

1031
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:48.880
<v Speaker 1>contact is important very soon. Angus Crichton's shoulder contact. You

1032
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.760
<v Speaker 1>may also notice that player's studs are still in the

1033
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.719
<v Speaker 1>ground when they tackle. This is a big, big indicator

1034
01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of power and I'll tell you why soon, Harry Grant again,

1035
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:05.280
<v Speaker 1>older studs in the ground from both players. This is

1036
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.800
<v Speaker 1>a historical video. This is Poland versus Venoa tu in

1037
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the twenty eighteen Emerging Nations World Championships. The player on

1038
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the left has lost his feet. Now, the reason feet

1039
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:20.320
<v Speaker 1>are so important is that you get a lot of

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01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.400
<v Speaker 1>power from your legs. So if you imagine doing a

1041
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.880
<v Speaker 1>squat in the gym, for example, or lifting a box,

1042
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 1>you are encouraged to bend your legs and using the

1043
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.840
<v Speaker 1>power of your legs. So the tackler on the left

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01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 1>has lost his feet. The tackler on the right with

1045
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.039
<v Speaker 1>the red boots still has his feet and he's using

1046
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:40.840
<v Speaker 1>them to drive the opposition player backwards. Again, this has

1047
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:42.960
<v Speaker 1>slowed down a little bit. Look at the players using

1048
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 1>their studs and it's coming from shoulder contact. We've all

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01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:52.280
<v Speaker 1>seen the big hit videos and again the reason I've

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01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:56.840
<v Speaker 1>put these into this week's analysis is every big hit

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01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:01.119
<v Speaker 1>here has top of the shoulder contact or very close to.

1052
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.519
<v Speaker 1>When we look at who I think is Ronaldo Mullatalo here,

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01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.480
<v Speaker 1>one criticism is his legs are straight. If his feet

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01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:11.400
<v Speaker 1>were even closer, he would get even more power to

1055
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:14.079
<v Speaker 1>be able to bend his legs. In a moment, you're

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01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.079
<v Speaker 1>going to see another big hit from New Zealand, Let's

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01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:18.920
<v Speaker 1>look how close the feet were there. That was a

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01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 1>lot better, and the power is clearly coming from the

1059
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.199
<v Speaker 1>legs here. Of course, momentum and speed of runner also

1060
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:27.840
<v Speaker 1>have an impact, but there you can see the studs

1061
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:31.480
<v Speaker 1>are in the ground, the legs are bent, the back

1062
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:36.719
<v Speaker 1>is lower, the shoulder goes in to Tyson Frazell. I

1063
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 1>think that is on the attacking side number eleven for Tonga.

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01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Legs bent, shoulder in and the contact line is definitely

1065
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 1>one there. Here's one from the last World Cup. The

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01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:53.239
<v Speaker 1>contact line absolutely won by the number ten. They're in white.

1067
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:57.840
<v Speaker 1>You'll quite often see this in all walks of the game,

1068
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:01.039
<v Speaker 1>somebody coming out of the line to put on a shot. Again,

1069
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.199
<v Speaker 1>not perfect tackle technique, but the shoulder is in and

1070
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.719
<v Speaker 1>there is power coming from the legs. And if I

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01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:11.440
<v Speaker 1>take you back to the original clips that we saw England,

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01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.119
<v Speaker 1>and this is so common in so many teams. There's

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01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 1>lots of NRL teams that do this, and there's lots

1074
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.159
<v Speaker 1>of Super League teams that do this. Actually aren't getting

1075
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.719
<v Speaker 1>power from their legs and they are bringing the attacking

1076
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:27.239
<v Speaker 1>player towards their own goal line. I honestly think that

1077
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder contact is underused in both NRL and Super League,

1078
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:36.199
<v Speaker 1>particularly in Super League, and the benefit of it is

1079
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.599
<v Speaker 1>that you can stop the momentum of the attacker. I

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01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 1>really don't understand the methodology of bringing somebody closer to

1081
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>your own goal line. I really don't understand that and

1082
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:50.079
<v Speaker 1>really struggle with that methodology. However, most clubs are very

1083
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:53.440
<v Speaker 1>adept at wrestling for root control. I think it's a

1084
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:56.079
<v Speaker 1>lot easier to do if you hit with some force.

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01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Keep an eye out for this next time you see

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01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:04.239
<v Speaker 1>a big game in twenty twenty six. Also, I think

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01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.199
<v Speaker 1>don't underestimate how tackle technique can influence the outcome of

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01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:13.480
<v Speaker 1>a match. Okay, it's something that I, as a coach,

1089
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Speaker 1>have always really had very high on my list. Shoulder

1090
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:21.199
<v Speaker 1>contact contact line, winning the contact line, and then winning

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01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.199
<v Speaker 1>the subsequent rook afterwards.