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Speaker 6: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Rock and Roll History
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Speaker 6: an interesting topic that I am not even going to
Speaker 6: attempt to explain. I'm gonna leave that to the Crambone
Speaker 6: who came up with it. But before, yep, we jumped
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Speaker 6: We're gonna let the expert explain it. But before we
Speaker 6: jump in, allow me to introduce all the Crambones joining
Speaker 6: us here tonight. First and foremost, from the Richter Observatory.
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Speaker 6: From paranormally yours. She says that jurabil is actually short
Speaker 6: for jur Williams, Gail newcomers here, Oh my one from
Speaker 6: the silver screen. She saw a Roman centurion walk into
Speaker 6: a bar and order a Martinez. The bartender said, you
Speaker 6: mean a martini, and the centurion said, if I wanted
Speaker 6: a double, I would have asked for it. Mercedes cantas here.
Speaker 8: Okay, you're you're on tonight.
Speaker 9: Oh thank you.
Speaker 6: It's all Daniel from here, so enjoy you. Wall last,
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Speaker 10: Oh, good evening, everybody.
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Speaker 6: of shaving cream. She says, a zombie making a stir
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Speaker 1: And while he's busy cooking, I'm running.
Speaker 6: All right. Yeah, you want to get your human flesh
Speaker 6: up to what is it, one hundred and forty degrees
Speaker 6: to make sure you kill the Yeah. Yeah, so I've
Speaker 6: heard all right. So tonight's topic was courtesy of Mercedes,
Speaker 6: So I'm going to turn it over to her to
Speaker 6: explain it, and then she's going to lead us off
Speaker 6: as well, so take it away.
Speaker 8: Thank you, Brian. This topic was not very hard songs
Speaker 8: with UGH. You know that song.
Speaker 11: You've all heard that, many of these songs. I'm gonna
Speaker 11: talk about what I'm.
Speaker 8: Going to talk about the history of UGH.
Speaker 2: I don't know there was a history, all right?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 8: It wasn't like the first word ever, it was.
Speaker 2: The first song word.
Speaker 6: Nowadays, I think the first word is can I speak
Speaker 6: with your manager? Yeah?
Speaker 2: True?
Speaker 11: So the UH has been a very long has a
Speaker 11: very long history. According to Masterclass, that rhythmic guttural ugh
Speaker 11: is one of the most powerful non lexical vocalizations in
Speaker 11: modern music history. Often referred to by musicians and musicologists
Speaker 11: as a vocal grunt, rock grunt, or rhythmic exclamation, it
Speaker 11: serves multiple artistic and structural purposes across genres.
Speaker 8: The ugh so am I doing it right?
Speaker 11: Is deeply rooted in gospel blues and early rhythm and blues.
Speaker 11: It transitioned from a raw, spontaneous burst of emotion into
Speaker 11: a highly calculated musical tool. In traditional Western and South
Speaker 11: African music, singing has never been limited to clean or
Speaker 11: pretty melodies. When Africans were enslaved and brought to the
Speaker 11: American South. These vocal traditions adapted to survival.
Speaker 8: The music.
Speaker 11: The musical UGH, I keep doing it differently was born
Speaker 11: directly out of backbreaking manual labor. As work songs evolved
Speaker 11: into the blues, early recording artists brought the raw physical
Speaker 11: sounds of the field into commercial music. Early Delta blues
Speaker 11: players like Charlie Patten or Blind Willie Johnson would pepper
Speaker 11: their lyrics with gravelly grunts and uugh sounds to simulate
Speaker 11: the physical strain of their lyrics. You can hear in
Speaker 11: Screaming Jay Hawk and songs and leader James Brown changed
Speaker 11: music history by turning the grunt into a formal arrangement.
Speaker 11: James Brown weaponized to the ugh or ugh right on
Speaker 11: the downbeat or the backbeat, replacing traditional lyrics with pure
Speaker 11: rhythmic punctuation. From there, it was picked up another genres
Speaker 11: of music, pop with Michael Jackson, who was also heavily
Speaker 11: influenced by James Brown, heavy rock like Metallica and ACDC,
Speaker 11: and hip hop with rapper Master P who I don't know.
Speaker 8: So that's the history of it all right, Pretty crazy, huh.
Speaker 6: There's a lot to it.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it goes way, way, way way back.
Speaker 6: I remember my college experience. I took a public speaking course,
Speaker 6: one of the best classes I ever took, and doctor
Speaker 6: Pete Baker was the professor. He had an UH chart,
Speaker 6: So anytime you got up there you said uh so uh.
Speaker 6: Somebody's job was to market it on the piece of
Speaker 6: tag poster board. So and boy, you learn how to
Speaker 6: not say uhs and ums and the fillers, the brain fillers,
Speaker 6: you know. Yeah, long story, yeah, long story. Short. Silence
Speaker 6: is fine. It lets people have time to absorb what
Speaker 6: you're saying. But the uzz and the ums take you
Speaker 6: out of the moment. And yeah, when somebody's there tallying
Speaker 6: up the number of times you say it, you stopped
Speaker 6: pretty quickly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it also gives you a moment to think, Yeah,
Speaker 11: it does. So it's it's good all around.
Speaker 5: You know, it's too late now. But if somebody had
Speaker 5: had the foresight to actually copyright the uh or whatever,
Speaker 5: you know, grunt, they would be making millions, because absolutely
Speaker 5: the royalties would just be rolling in. But I guess
Speaker 5: it's it's it's too late now.
Speaker 6: It is, well, you know, the most of the bag
Speaker 6: the most famous annoyed grunt anybody is you dope? From
Speaker 6: The Simpsons. Sim Homer was written in early scripts as
Speaker 6: annoyed grunt and Dan Castellanetta came up with dope, and
Speaker 6: it's now in the dictionary.
Speaker 5: In the dictionary, everyone knew, you know, they knew it.
Speaker 5: They knew it instinctively, that that was what it meant,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 6: Imagine inventing a word.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 5: That's well, I've created.
Speaker 14: A few, you know, we all, yeah, we've all uttered
Speaker 14: a few in our day.
Speaker 6: I meant more academically speaking, but yes, we've all had
Speaker 6: our bourbon related vocab Larry, Yes.
Speaker 5: Creative cursing is you know? Oh yeah, I excelled in that.
Speaker 5: That was the best class I had. Creative cursing. Nice, Yes,
Speaker 5: and so and so immediately got sent to the principal's office.
Speaker 11: So yeah, so you all heard me do perform the word.
Speaker 11: Let's go around the room and hurt here everybody else's.
Speaker 2: Can we do that?
Speaker 6: Okay? Okay, who's first?
Speaker 8: Brian? You're first?
Speaker 6: Can I go with dope? Is that taking already?
Speaker 5: Nice?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 5: Good?
Speaker 8: John?
Speaker 11: Oh okay, different different kind of grunt, Gail, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 11: I think you got to take it down a.
Speaker 6: Couple of.
Speaker 2: Please. Look you're talking to no, no, I.
Speaker 8: Mean lower, lower and pitch. That is what I meant.
Speaker 1: Guttural.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 15: Oh, let's got the voice fry to bar.
Speaker 8: Oh you sound pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'm just waiting for Brian, when we're
Speaker 1: all done with this, to make like a SoundBite of
Speaker 1: all of us doing this and then change the order
Speaker 1: and keep doing it.
Speaker 8: I just I just know he's going to you mean
Speaker 8: like jingle bears with dogs.
Speaker 14: Yes, yes, yes, now you've given him ideas.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 8: I'm waiting for it, Neil, what do you get?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's exasperated.
Speaker 5: That's how I wake up every morning and face the day.
Speaker 5: I see the sun out, the birds are chirping, the clouds,
Speaker 5: the sky is blue.
Speaker 15: It's interesting, though, because not all languages use h for uh.
Speaker 15: Some use actual words, like in Spanish they use esta,
Speaker 15: which is weird because you're going estay. That's complicated for me.
Speaker 15: French is eh, Sheerman is m. Japanese is anno or eto.
Speaker 15: I can't even pronounce the one for Mandarin Chinese. But yeah,
Speaker 15: some languages use an actual different word.
Speaker 6: But they all have that that space filler. Yeah, let
Speaker 6: your brain catch up to your motor back to do cuche.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hear it like that one. Okay, So.
Speaker 5: Can I go? Please?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 11: So I'm going to talk about Prince, and oh what
Speaker 11: do you say about Prince? I quickly realized that after
Speaker 11: starting my research that it would be almost impossible to
Speaker 11: include everything about him, his influence, his incredible talent.
Speaker 8: So I will do the best.
Speaker 11: In a short amount of time. I saw Prince multiple
Speaker 11: times and I am so grateful. The first time was
Speaker 11: at the Ritz in New York City, and I just
Speaker 11: read this about the performance. Prince's iconic performance at the
Speaker 11: Ritz in New York City took place on March twenty second,
Speaker 11: eighty one, during his Dirty Mind tour. During his rendition
Speaker 11: of the provocative song Head, Prince sat and writhed on
Speaker 11: a prop bed, pushing the boundaries of stage performance. The
Speaker 11: March twenty second show is a legendary moment in early
Speaker 11: Prince history. The audience for this particular night famously included
Speaker 11: Mick Jagger and Daryl Hall. Jagger was so captivated by
Speaker 11: Prince's raw, funk driven stage presence that he invited Prince
Speaker 11: to open for the Rolling Stones later that year. I
Speaker 11: did not know this at the time, but I was there.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool.
Speaker 11: Prince born Prince Rogers Nelson was and that was really
Speaker 11: hurt for me. An American singer, songwriter, musician, dancer, actor,
Speaker 11: and filmmaker. He came from a musical family and he
Speaker 11: wrote his first song, Funk Machine, at the age of seven,
Speaker 11: on his father's piano. He was signed by Warner Brothers
Speaker 11: Records when he was eighteen, and his first LP for You,
Speaker 11: was released in nineteen seventy eight. On the album, Prince wrote,
Speaker 11: produced a range, composed, and played all twenty seven instruments
Speaker 11: so often. Wet, which was the album's lead single, became
Speaker 11: a minor hit on the Billboard Chart one hundred, peaking
Speaker 11: at number ninety two. However, it became a top ten
Speaker 11: hit on the Billboard Hot Soul Single Chart, peaking at
Speaker 11: number twelve. In October nineteen eighty, Prince released the album
Speaker 11: Dirty Mind, which contained sexually explicit material and was described
Speaker 11: by music critic Stephen Thomas Erlewine as a stunning, audacious
Speaker 11: amalgam of funk, new wave, R and B, and pop
Speaker 11: fueled by Grinningly Salacious Sex and the Desire to Shock.
Speaker 11: I was actually given this LP when it was released
Speaker 11: from an old boyfriend, and I honestly didn't quite know
Speaker 11: what to make of it at the time, but I
Speaker 11: do still have it. In October nineteen eighty one, Prince
Speaker 11: released the album Controversy. In nineteen eighty one, Prince formed
Speaker 11: a side project band called The Time. The band released
Speaker 11: four albums between nineteen eighty one and nineteen ninety, with
Speaker 11: Prince writing and performing most of the instruments and background vocals,
Speaker 11: with lead vocals by Morris Day. In late nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 11: Prince released a double album nineteen ninety nine with a
Speaker 11: new band called The Revolution Who Can Forget Wendy and Lisa,
Speaker 11: which sold more than four million copies. Princess Little Red
Speaker 11: Corvette was one of the first two videos by black artists,
Speaker 11: along with Michael Jackson's Billy Jean played in heavy rotation
Speaker 11: on MTV Pretty Interesting. Then, of course, there was the
Speaker 11: Purple Rain soundtrack. According to his manager, he was required
Speaker 11: to find him a star role in a feature film,
Speaker 11: which resulted in the film Purple Rain. The album Purple
Speaker 11: Rain sold more than thirteen million copies in the United
Speaker 11: States and spent twenty twenty four consecutive weeks at number
Speaker 11: one on the Billboard two hundred chart. The film won
Speaker 11: Prince an Academy Award for Best Original Song Score and
Speaker 11: grossed more than sixty eight million dollars in the US.
Speaker 11: And you know, obviously that would be a lot more today.
Speaker 11: At one point, Prince simultaneously had the number one album,
Speaker 11: the number one single, and the number one film in
Speaker 11: the United States, being the first person to achieve this.
Speaker 2: If you can, if you.
Speaker 15: Get ahead, that song Purple Rain rabs me every single time.
Speaker 11: I know, I know, I mean, I feel like that
Speaker 11: way about most of his songs. But and if you
Speaker 11: can't tell I'm a huge fan, you picked up on
Speaker 11: that by now.
Speaker 8: There's so much more.
Speaker 11: But let's get to the song kiss from the album
Speaker 11: Under the Cherry Moon, which was also a film but
Speaker 11: didn't do as well and received a Golden Raspberry Award.
Speaker 11: Although many critics later changed their opinion, Kisses ugh is
Speaker 11: the quintessential for me.
Speaker 8: Let's hear it, don't have to.
Speaker 5: Do me, do me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you it's so hard. You don't have
Speaker 3: to be rich to be you don't have to be
Speaker 3: cool to do all he not particular side all the batable.
Speaker 4: I just want jose extra.
Speaker 16: Time and your.
Speaker 2: Kiss.
Speaker 3: And you've got to not talk to the baby. You
Speaker 3: won't I press me. You can't be to sir the MoMA.
Speaker 3: I don't have to undress me. Yeah I want to be.
Speaker 3: I have to say maybe you could be married.
Speaker 12: You just leave it.
Speaker 17: Oh luck to we could have good don't have the bach,
Speaker 17: don't have the big mobile the boy want at the time. Yo, jesus,
Speaker 17: Oh thanks, you go and list they.
Speaker 18: Got that gott.
Speaker 19: Women loue mall shut their rule marbles.
Speaker 3: Actual think not a shoe, such a shoe son.
Speaker 2: Make a week soon. The talk.
Speaker 3: You don't have to watch the speaking in to head
Speaker 3: and attitude.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 3: To me my love be awfoo.
Speaker 4: Yeah you don't bu kiss.
Speaker 11: So let me just speak to my fellow crambones for
Speaker 11: a moment. Y'all talked through the ear so I heard one.
Speaker 10: I mean we have to hear it again.
Speaker 6: We got the gist of it.
Speaker 11: There's one very specific one that is an absolute. A
Speaker 11: few more facts that you might not know. His underground
Speaker 11: vault at Paisley Park, which Brian tried to go to
Speaker 11: and didn't.
Speaker 8: It's going to give you there's a story, didn't well.
Speaker 6: Number one all right, it was Minneapolis. We were out
Speaker 6: there for farm Eide. It sold out, but it was
Speaker 6: so stupid expensive that even if it was available, I
Speaker 6: don't know, but.
Speaker 8: That's okay, I would have gone.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So the underground vault at Paisley Park contains a massive
Speaker 11: collection of music. Archivist knows that there is enough completed
Speaker 11: material to release a new posthumous album every year for
Speaker 11: one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 8: Allow music.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you wanted to get anywhere near that,
Speaker 6: it costs even more. Oh, I bet you could knock
Speaker 6: on the front door for a hundred bucks or something
Speaker 6: like that. I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 11: Prince secretly gave away millions of dollars to charities, family
Speaker 11: members of civil rights victims, and community tech initiatives on
Speaker 11: the condition that his name never be revealed. During his lifetime,
Speaker 11: Prince also composed music for other artists, including Manic Monday
Speaker 11: for the Bengals, I Feel for You for Chuka Khan,
Speaker 11: and Nothing Compares to You for Snead O'Connor. He was
Speaker 11: a devowed Jehovah's witness who even went door to door.
Speaker 11: One woman in Minnesota tells of the time that he
Speaker 11: knocked on her door and started in on religion, and
Speaker 11: she said, you know what, into a Jewish household, and
Speaker 11: this is.
Speaker 8: Not something I'm interested in.
Speaker 11: Okay, because after his passing in twenty sixteen, there was
Speaker 11: no will found. In addition to his full sister, Prince's
Speaker 11: five half siblings also had a claim to an estate
Speaker 11: totally millions of dollars in cash, as well as real estate, stocks,
Speaker 11: and cars. Within three weeks of his death, seven hundred
Speaker 11: people claimed to be half siblings or descendants.
Speaker 3: Of course, that gets an uh from me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is it too late to your name to
Speaker 6: the list.
Speaker 11: Prince is often credited as a major influence on modern
Speaker 11: popular music and was the quote unquote, the greatest musician
Speaker 11: of his generation. According to Billboard, Simon Reynolds called him
Speaker 11: a pop polymath, which I had to look up. It
Speaker 11: means he knows. He's got a wide range of knowledge,
Speaker 11: flitting between funk ddelia, fronkadelia, funkadelia, acid rock, deep soul, schmaltz,
Speaker 11: often within the same song. In twenty sixteen, Simon Reynolds
Speaker 11: said Prince's eighties evasion of conventional gender definition speaks to
Speaker 11: us now in this transware moment, but it also harkens
Speaker 11: backwards in time to the original rock and roll in
Speaker 11: racial mixture and sexual blurring. Prince was known for the
Speaker 11: strong female presence in his bands and his support for
Speaker 11: women in the music industry.
Speaker 8: Throughout his career. Slat said that.
Speaker 11: He worked with an astounding range of female stars and
Speaker 11: quote unquote promised a world where men and women looked
Speaker 11: and acted like each other. In twenty twenty three, Billboard
Speaker 11: ranked him at number sixteen on their list of the
Speaker 11: two hundred Greatest Singers of All Time. In nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 11: during negotiations regarding the release of the Gold Experience album,
Speaker 11: there was a legal battle between Warner Brothers and Print
Speaker 11: over the artistic and financial control of his music. He
Speaker 11: appeared in public and explained that he had changed his
Speaker 11: name to an unpronounceable symbol to emancipate himself from his
Speaker 11: contract with Warner Brothers, and that he had done it
Speaker 11: out of frustration because he felt his own name now
Speaker 11: belonged to the company. That symbol has a name, by
Speaker 11: the way, it's the love symbol.
Speaker 8: Number two.
Speaker 11: Since the symbol did not exist on computer keyboards, Warner
Speaker 11: Brothers sent floppy discs to media outlets containing a digital
Speaker 11: rendition of the image. Course, most people referred to him
Speaker 11: as the artist formerly known as Prince. He released thirty
Speaker 11: nine studio albums during his lifetime, alongside numerous live and
Speaker 11: posthumous projects. In nineteen ninety five, the album that he released,
Speaker 11: The Gold Experience, had a song title The Most Beautiful
Speaker 11: Girl in the World, and Prince had a contest where
Speaker 11: girls would send in their pictures to be in the video,
Speaker 11: and we actually interviewed the winner on the silver screen.
Speaker 5: I remember that. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 8: She told us all about.
Speaker 11: Being terrified, very excited, and Paisley Park.
Speaker 6: All right cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Tom Jones did a version of Kiss that Neil mentioned
Speaker 6: while it was playing, and I think I like the
Speaker 6: Tom Jones version better. Did a weird Aldo a version
Speaker 6: not yet?
Speaker 5: Yeah, very good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what would it be called? Hiss?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Kiss did a song was called Prince.
Speaker 6: This I appreciate. All right, thank you, Mercedes, good leader.
Speaker 6: I was good and a challenging topic.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it really was.
Speaker 6: It was it was John, You're.
Speaker 14: Up, okay, I was kind of puzzled by this topic, Mercedes.
Speaker 14: You know, it kind of forces you to put your
Speaker 14: thinking cap on to kind of figure out. And I
Speaker 14: had had been off the show for a few weeks,
Speaker 14: so I was kind of thrown this and I wasn't
Speaker 14: quite sure of the origin of the context, and I
Speaker 14: was like, where the heck can I go with this?
Speaker 14: So I what I found for Better or Worse was
Speaker 14: a song from nineteen sixty four from a garage rock
Speaker 14: band called The Novas. Now, Neil, I must say that
Speaker 14: the song that I chose for tonight was also recorded
Speaker 14: by the Ramones. However, this is not the Ramones version,
Speaker 14: So this is the song of the Crusher. It was
Speaker 14: recorded by the garage rock band the Novas from Dallas
Speaker 14: Fort Worth. They were only they were only around from
Speaker 14: nineteen sixty three to nineteen sixty eight and the only
Speaker 14: I believe, recorded seven or eight songs. They were hugely
Speaker 14: popular in the North Texas area, all high school kids
Speaker 14: and whatnot, and they disbanded and when they went to
Speaker 14: college and that was that. So it'll be really interesting
Speaker 14: to see if these guys had stuck around together.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 14: A couple of their members were forcibly pulled from the
Speaker 14: band because their parents were upset with them.
Speaker 6: Go figure, and.
Speaker 9: But yes, yes, so.
Speaker 10: Could you imagine doing that in the seventies. But you
Speaker 10: know it's the song of the.
Speaker 14: Crusher was about a boxer and let me see if
Speaker 14: I get his name straight.
Speaker 6: It was a.
Speaker 11: Excuse me, John, did you say they released six or
Speaker 11: seven songs or six or seven albums?
Speaker 14: Six or seven songs? I believe, Oh wow, Yeah, it
Speaker 14: was a garage rock band. I wanted to go a
Speaker 14: little obscure for my selection, so rather than go with
Speaker 14: something like the Ramones or something like that, So the
Speaker 14: song itself was where I Gotta find it here.
Speaker 5: You don't think this was obscure to me, though, do you?
Speaker 14: No, not in the least, Not in the least, Neil,
Speaker 14: Are you kidding me? It just saying, oh please, nothing
Speaker 14: is obscure to you, Neil. I could go back to
Speaker 14: Roman times and I am sure you would be familiar
Speaker 14: with the track.
Speaker 6: Okay, let me just say.
Speaker 14: Anyway, it's the original track with a tongue in chic
Speaker 14: owed to a nineteen sixties professional wrestler, Reginald the Crusher Thesowski.
Speaker 14: So it features a raunchy over the top vocal delivery
Speaker 14: imitating the wrestler's signature grel and instructions for a fake
Speaker 14: dance craze with the recurring line, do the hammer lock,
Speaker 14: you turkey nicks. So why don't I leave it at
Speaker 14: that and let's play the Crusher by the Novas.
Speaker 13: Do the hammer lock, I do the hammer lot. Do
Speaker 13: the hammer lock, you turkeyacks. Yeah, do the hammer lock,
Speaker 13: the hammer lock. Everybody's doing.
Speaker 4: Duty.
Speaker 7: I gods, Candy, I God, I got you turkey nags. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I do the I go, I do, I God, everybody's doing.
Speaker 13: Okay, your turkey nucks.
Speaker 5: Had a round.
Speaker 9: I really know you how to do that crusher, Na,
Speaker 9: just not learn that job.
Speaker 7: You gonna get here the ring. Okay, I'll take your
Speaker 7: profess and that's put it out of your waist, now
Speaker 7: have you dog?
Speaker 13: They're gonna bear that.
Speaker 7: Spray if I just wake your crocker's head, just.
Speaker 13: Fload of place that crusher. Know that crushers, show your
Speaker 13: turny nucks. You can't do that crusher.
Speaker 14: Everybody now, okay, the crusher by then Nova's Now. I
Speaker 14: think I detected a little bit of grunting and groaning
Speaker 14: in that track there.
Speaker 5: Mercedes with that kind of Okay, there might there might
Speaker 5: have even been some words in there too, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I could swear I heard the term do the I ouch.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I just I'm just picturing horrified nineteen early
Speaker 14: sixties parents, you know, who are still in that fifties vibe,
Speaker 14: you know, And I could see that, you know, some
Speaker 14: mom pulling her son from these guys because she was
Speaker 14: afraid he was gonna, I don't know, do some drugs
Speaker 14: and brock and roll for God's sakes.
Speaker 5: Now, it's interesting. It's interesting too that right around the
Speaker 5: same time the Surfing Bird song came out by the Trash. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it was in that vein of just absurdity. Really.
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, completely, But I'm kind of sorry these guys
Speaker 14: went off to college. I have to do a little
Speaker 14: more reason to find research and find out whatever happened
Speaker 14: to these guys.
Speaker 10: But anyway, the Ramones did the recorded a version on
Speaker 10: their studio album Adios Amigos, written by D D Ramone
Speaker 10: under the moniker D D King.
Speaker 6: Do I have that right there, the Wizard of.
Speaker 5: Ugg Yeah, the well, yeah, they're their version that the
Speaker 5: lyrics are different, but it's based on the same character.
Speaker 5: The crush and it was sung written by d D.
Speaker 5: But it was sung by their then current bass player
Speaker 5: CJ Okay Ramone. So yeah, and d D King was
Speaker 5: his rap name, and that lasted all of about one album,
Speaker 5: and and that was about all anybody could really.
Speaker 8: You did you did a song from his rap album?
Speaker 5: I believe so he did.
Speaker 8: He did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think mashed Potato time he did that, and
Speaker 5: it's no and you know, yeah, as far as rap
Speaker 5: goes was a great punk rock bass player.
Speaker 14: Well, I I first, I first, of course, when I
Speaker 14: was doing my research for this, the Ramones pop right up.
Speaker 14: But in true what I have learned from my my,
Speaker 14: my dear Crambones here on the Rock and Roll History Show,
Speaker 14: Let's dig a little deeper, and I found the novas
Speaker 14: and uh and there you have it, folks. So I
Speaker 14: hope you can take a listen check it out on YouTube.
Speaker 14: It's actually a real fun parody song. And h just
Speaker 14: don't try to sing along. You might crack your vocal chords.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you don't have laryngitis, you will, exactly.
Speaker 8: I'm so curious what they look like. Do they do
Speaker 8: they dress for the part?
Speaker 14: No, they're they're typical early sixties teenagers. They're very think uh,
Speaker 14: I think early Beatles, real, you know, real clean cut.
Speaker 14: I'll send you guys a picture but funny. Yeah, oh
Speaker 14: yeah yeah, real classic. Then you could see the picture
Speaker 14: and try to imagine these kids doing those guttural skin
Speaker 14: of screeches and you know, but hope you all enjoyed
Speaker 14: this little blast from nineteen sixty four and then the
Speaker 14: late great Novas the Crusher.
Speaker 10: So thank you, Mercedes. You forced me down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 6: Appreciate that.
Speaker 18: Love it awesome?
Speaker 5: That was great.
Speaker 6: That was a good one. All right, Let's take a
Speaker 6: quick break. Let you reset your ears for a minute,
Speaker 6: and we have lots more coming up, So stick around
Speaker 6: Hudson River Radio. Your dog likes us.
Speaker 8: This concludes the first part of this cassette. Please turn
Speaker 8: the cassette over and begin again on side too. This
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Speaker 6: Ah y, give me uh Gail.
Speaker 15: That is a truly hard act to follow. There's nothing
Speaker 15: quite like John's presentation just now.
Speaker 2: And that song mine's kind of boring compared to that. Wow.
Speaker 15: I chose a song by the Pixies and they started
Speaker 15: they they're from the United States. They formed a band
Speaker 15: in nineteen eighty six in Boston, Massachusetts. They were active
Speaker 15: from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety three, and then
Speaker 15: back again two thousand and four to the present. The
Speaker 15: original lineup was Black Francis on vocals and rhythm guitar,
Speaker 15: Joey Santiago on lead guitar, Kim Deal on bass and vocals,
Speaker 15: and David Lovering on drums. They're associated with the nineteen
Speaker 15: nineties alternative rock boom, and they drew on elements including
Speaker 15: punk rock and surf rock, although from what little I've
Speaker 15: heard of them, I don't really.
Speaker 2: Think that. I don't know where they get the surf
Speaker 2: rock because I don't hear it.
Speaker 15: But anyway, oh, their music is known for dynamics, loud quiet,
Speaker 15: loud shifts, and song structures kind of like when you're
Speaker 15: watching TV and the actual program you're listening to, the
Speaker 15: dialogue is very very quiet, and then the commercial comes
Speaker 15: really loud.
Speaker 2: Which is not supposed to do anymore.
Speaker 5: That was like, that was that the what if you
Speaker 5: want to call it genre or whatever, that idea was.
Speaker 5: Nirvana did it all the time. That's where it started
Speaker 5: to blame them, is what I'm going to say. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: that's it sounds soft and all of a sudden he
Speaker 5: steps on the you know.
Speaker 15: Black Francis is the primary songwriter. His often surreal lyrics
Speaker 15: cover such cheerful topics as extraterrestrials, incest, and biblical violence.
Speaker 15: The Pixies only found the modest success in the US,
Speaker 15: but were much more successful in the UK and elsewhere
Speaker 15: in Europe. Their alternative rock sound influenced acts such as Nirvana, Radiohead,
Speaker 15: Modest Mouse, The Smashing Pumpkins, and Wheezer. The way the
Speaker 15: group picked their name was when Joey Santiago selected the
Speaker 15: word Pixies randomly from a dictionary, liking how it looked
Speaker 15: and it's definition as mischievous little elves. Actually that should
Speaker 15: be mischievous little elves. Uh. The song I chose called
Speaker 15: Hey almostly oh, but it's you know, there isn't uh
Speaker 15: in it.
Speaker 1: It's not just hey, it's like schoolhouse rock interjections.
Speaker 2: Yes, introjects. Yeah.
Speaker 15: So Hey is from their second full album, which was
Speaker 15: called Doolittle, as in Doctor Dolittle, and that was recorded
Speaker 15: in the last six weeks of nineteen eighty eight. Dolittle
Speaker 15: had a much cleaner sound compared to the raw sound
Speaker 15: of their first first two releases, largely due to the
Speaker 15: production budget of forty thousand dollars, which was quadruple that
Speaker 15: of their previous album. Doolittle was their first album to
Speaker 15: enter onto the Billboard two hundred, peaking at ninety eight
Speaker 15: in the UK. The album was a commercial success, reaching
Speaker 15: number eight into the Billboard two hundred. In early nineteen
Speaker 15: ninety three, Black Francis announced this guy apparently had no
Speaker 15: emotional intelligence because he announced in an interview with BBC
Speaker 15: Radio five that the Pixies were finished without telling the
Speaker 15: other band members.
Speaker 6: That reflects back to the mischievous part.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess they all said.
Speaker 15: Yeah. He offered no explanation at the time. He later
Speaker 15: called Santiago and notified Dale and Lovering via fax. Look
Speaker 15: so rude, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't like come for him afterwards.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, not too passive aggressive now, So let's hear.
Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, been trying to meet you.
Speaker 18: Hey ask me a devil between us.
Speaker 19: Moors in my head? How hor in my bad?
Speaker 2: But hey, where.
Speaker 15: Have you.
Speaker 10: Be?
Speaker 4: If you go?
Speaker 2: I was shut it down?
Speaker 15: Shut h.
Speaker 4: Named which by.
Speaker 19: Age, butcher cha back to Butcher.
Speaker 20: H sit the man to the lady, lady to the man,
Speaker 20: she a guard and the horse like a mile.
Speaker 4: Nights and marreth you tired about this up?
Speaker 19: Yes? Sound I come by?
Speaker 16: Thence on a man of ride? Which which which witch? Witch?
Speaker 19: When ship? Which?
Speaker 15: That sounds kind of like, oh rough, maybe stream of
Speaker 15: consciousness thing going there to me?
Speaker 2: They did have a couple of in.
Speaker 8: There, Oh yeah, clearly besides hey, okay, oh so.
Speaker 15: They're influenced by a number of different artists and music genres.
Speaker 15: Each member came from a different musical background. Some of
Speaker 15: their influences are Slash were, Who'scardu, Captain beef Hart, who
Speaker 15: I never heard of, Neil probably heard of, uh yeah,
Speaker 15: because Neil knows everything about.
Speaker 5: Rock, not everything, almost Iggy pop.
Speaker 15: Ri Em, The Beatles, White Album, Buddy Holly, Black Flag,
Speaker 15: David Bowie, t Rex, Elvis Costello, and the list goes on.
Speaker 15: Most of the Pixies songs are composed and sung by
Speaker 15: lead singer Black Francis. Critic Stephen Thomas Lwin has described
Speaker 15: his writing as containing bizarre, fragmented lyrics about space, religion, sex, mutilation,
Speaker 15: and pop culture. This particular song is known as a
Speaker 15: gritty blues influenced rock ballad about the chaotic and dark
Speaker 15: realities of a turbulent relationship. Frank Black Who that's that's
Speaker 15: what Black Frank took as a name when he when
Speaker 15: the band split up and they all went and did
Speaker 15: you know solo things?
Speaker 11: Wait, he went from black Frank to Frank Black.
Speaker 15: Uh, Francis Black Francis to Frank Black Okay, a little confusing.
Speaker 15: He has described it as an R and B slow jam,
Speaker 15: rooted in rumors and stories he heard about his parents
Speaker 15: wild younger years.
Speaker 2: Alrighty.
Speaker 15: Then the lyrics explore the themes of infidelity, jealousy and
Speaker 15: unresolved longing. The protagonist feels inextricably chained to his lover,
Speaker 15: acknowledging the toxicity and distractions. Now the distractions were metaphorized
Speaker 15: as shall we say to be more family friendly? Ladies
Speaker 15: of the night in my head and constantly pulling them apart.
Speaker 15: So that's thinking about his parents. Oh my goodness, wow wow.
Speaker 15: The album was an instant critical success and became their
Speaker 15: breakthrough album. It was very well received in Europe, where
Speaker 15: the British Music weeklies Melody Maker and Sounds named it
Speaker 15: their best album of the year, and on its release,
Speaker 15: Do Little Relief. Do Little reached number eight on the
Speaker 15: UK Album's chart. It has sold consistently since its release,
Speaker 15: and numerous music publications have placed it among the top
Speaker 15: albums of the nineteen eighties. I had never heard of
Speaker 15: them until like four years ago, but that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 15: mean anything.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 15: It charted at number one seventy one on the US
Speaker 15: Billboard two hundred and it sold steadily in America, breaking
Speaker 15: sales of one hundred thousand and the lineup because you know,
Speaker 15: bands seem to go through changes in line up and
Speaker 15: there's it would have taken forever to tell about who
Speaker 15: did what and when and came back and left and
Speaker 15: butt On this particular song, Black Francis is on vocals,
Speaker 15: rhythm guitar and acoustic guitar, Kim Deal is on bass,
Speaker 15: guitar and vocals, Joey Santiago is on lead guitar and
Speaker 15: backing vocals, and David Lovering is on drums.
Speaker 2: And Mercedes or Neil Do you have anything to add?
Speaker 5: Not particularly. The only song I really know by them
Speaker 5: is called This Monkey's Gone to Heaven, which used to
Speaker 5: I'd hear it on the radio. But I think that
Speaker 5: what was one of the singles from that album.
Speaker 2: It was the main single from it had to do with.
Speaker 15: The environment and what was happening to the environment.
Speaker 5: And I also know yeah, Kim Deal went on to
Speaker 5: be in a band called The Breeders, who had, you know,
Speaker 5: some relative success.
Speaker 2: Cannon Ball is one of their singles.
Speaker 8: I really like that song me too.
Speaker 5: That They're very provocative, They're very you know, they're very
Speaker 5: they make you think.
Speaker 2: But that's good sometimes, No, of course it is.
Speaker 6: Gives me a headache when I have to engage this part.
Speaker 2: Thinking is underrated.
Speaker 6: It's such a pain.
Speaker 2: That's all I got.
Speaker 6: That was a good one. Barbara brought to you Okay, Well.
Speaker 1: I have chosen the song Boogie with Me, sometimes known
Speaker 1: as simply Boogie by John Hartford. He was born John
Speaker 1: Harford on December thirtieth, nineteen thirty seven, and he later
Speaker 1: changed his last name to Hartford because chet Atkins, who
Speaker 1: signed Hartford to RCAA Records in nineteen sixty three, thought
Speaker 1: it would sound better professionally and advised him to Hartford
Speaker 1: was an American folk, country and bluegrass musician and composer,
Speaker 1: also known for his excellence on fiddle and banjo, his
Speaker 1: witty lyrics, unique vocal style which you will find out soon,
Speaker 1: and his extensive knowledge of the Mississippi River lore. He
Speaker 1: was born in New York City but spent his childhood
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, Missouri, and he was a descendant of
Speaker 1: Patrick Henry and a cousin to Tennessee Williams. The Mississippi
Speaker 1: River was a profound influence on his career and music.
Speaker 1: He got various jobs on the river, beginning at age sixteen,
Speaker 1: eventually earning his steamboat pilot's license. He worked on the
Speaker 1: river until nineteen sixty five, when he moved to Nashville
Speaker 1: as he felt it was time to prioritize his music career.
Speaker 1: The following year, he signed with RCA Victor and released
Speaker 1: his first album. After being inspired by the film Doctor Jivago,
Speaker 1: he wrote and recorded the song Gentle on My Mind
Speaker 1: and included it on his second album in nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: but it only achieved moderate success. However, it caught the
Speaker 1: attention of everybody Glenn campbell I thought so okay who
Speaker 1: recorded it, resulting in even more extensive success and later
Speaker 1: becoming one of the most widely recorded Country Songs of
Speaker 1: All Time, earning four awards to two of which went
Speaker 1: to Hartford. The royalties from the song gave Hartford financial independence,
Speaker 1: and he then moved to the West Coast and became
Speaker 1: a regular on The Smothers Brother's Comedy Hour, a regular
Speaker 1: on The Glenn Campbell Goodtime Hour, The Johnny Cash Show,
Speaker 1: and various other TV and music performances, including playing with
Speaker 1: the Birds on their album Sweetheart of the Rodeo. In
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, he signed with Warner Warner Brothers Records,
Speaker 1: which gave him more freedom to record in a non
Speaker 1: traditional style, which he preferred, and this style eventually evolved
Speaker 1: into what is known as newgrass. He recorded several albums,
Speaker 1: including Aeroplane and Plane is spelled p lai N, which
Speaker 1: featured the song Boogie with Me. So let's pause here
Speaker 1: and for your listening pleasure, I present Boogie with Me.
Speaker 12: Uh uh uh, Hey baby, wanna boogie boogie woogie woogie
Speaker 12: with me? Hey Baby, I wanna boogie boogie woogie woogie
Speaker 12: with me a week and boogie over here. We can
Speaker 12: boogie over there. Come on, babe, we can boogie everywhere.
Speaker 12: Hey baby, I want a boogie, boogie, woogie woogie with me.
Speaker 12: Hey Baby, I want a boogie boogie woogie woogie with me.
Speaker 12: A week and boogie in the house. We can boogie
Speaker 12: in they are. Come on, baby, it ain't very hard,
Speaker 12: Hey babe, I want a boogie, a boogie woogie woogie
Speaker 12: with me. Hey baby, I want a boogie, a boogie
Speaker 12: wogay ogay with me. Hey Baby, I want a boogie,
Speaker 12: a boogie wogay woogie with me. Awaken, boogie in the
Speaker 12: living room, boogie and the Dan. Come on, baby, let's
Speaker 12: do it all again.
Speaker 9: Aye, baby, I want a.
Speaker 12: Boogie, a boogie woogie wogay with me. Boogie woogie woogie
Speaker 12: with me?
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Hartford's success on the Smothers brother series landed him and
Speaker 1: offered a star in his own detective TV series. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you listened to Boogie with me
Speaker 1: and say, hey, this guy would make a great TV.
Speaker 1: But yo, that's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 8: However, he turned it down to move back.
Speaker 1: To Nashville to further his music career, and he recorded
Speaker 1: more albums and developed a stage show than went on
Speaker 1: tour recorded several songs for the movie soundtrack of Brother
Speaker 1: Where Art Thou, which resulted in another Grammy win. His
Speaker 1: final tour was in April of two thousand, when he
Speaker 1: found he had lost control of his hands due to
Speaker 1: a prior diagnosis in the eighties of non Hodgkins lymphoma.
Speaker 1: And he passed away on June fourth, two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: at the age of sixty three, and he's buried in Nashville.
Speaker 1: He has a star on the Saint Louis Walk of
Speaker 1: Fame and a posthumous President's Award in September two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. There was also an annual John Harford Memorial
Speaker 1: Festival held in Southern Indiana from eleven to twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and again in twenty twenty two. Couldn't I thought, maybe
Speaker 1: they broke, you know, they stopped due to COVID, But
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything to substantiate that. And just what
Speaker 1: made me really happy was reading about like what a
Speaker 1: free spirit he was and during his lifetime, once he
Speaker 1: actually gained the financial independence that he saw it, he
Speaker 1: was actually able to periodically return to the Mississippi River
Speaker 1: and you know, use his piloting license except for fun
Speaker 1: and give people rides and dance around with them. And
Speaker 1: that just made me happy to know that he spent
Speaker 1: a good part of his life doing that and he
Speaker 1: had the time to do that.
Speaker 8: So that's it. That's what I got.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I heard this song, when I
Speaker 1: was fine trying to find a song, I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, this is the one. All I can say
Speaker 2: is wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's the most unusual one so far. I
Speaker 6: would say tonight, Yeah, we'll see what happens. But yup,
Speaker 6: you're at the top of the list right now. Why
Speaker 6: don't we take a second, real quick break and we
Speaker 6: have two more and we'll see what happens after this.
Speaker 6: Hudson Riverradio dot com.
Speaker 4: Hudson River Radio dot com.
Speaker 6: And welcome back, Neil. We're gonna turn it over to you.
Speaker 5: What do you have for us? Well, I'm still I'm
Speaker 5: still grooving on the Crusher and the boogie boogie song
Speaker 5: there so, but the song I've chosen for today's topic
Speaker 5: is called Sonic Reducer by the band The Dead Boys.
Speaker 5: Now Sonic Reducer is considered a classic in the punk
Speaker 5: rock genre. The Dead Boys were an American punk band
Speaker 5: from Cleveland, Ohio, and were among the first wave of
Speaker 5: punk bands in the late nineteen seventies. They were formed
Speaker 5: in nineteen seventy five by vocalist Steve Baters, lead guitarist
Speaker 5: Cheetah Chrome, rhythm guitarist Jimmy Zero, bassist Jeff Jeff Magnum,
Speaker 5: and drummer Johnny blitz Now. The band moved to New
Speaker 5: York City in July of nineteen seventy six on the
Speaker 5: advice of Joey Ramone, and he quickly get a following
Speaker 5: at places like CBGB's with their lude and profane live performances.
Speaker 5: They are regarded as one of the most outrageous groups
Speaker 5: of that era. Now. The song Sonic Producer was written
Speaker 5: by Cheetah Chrome and David Thomas while they were both
Speaker 5: in a pre Dead Boys band called Rocket from the
Speaker 5: Tombs Now. Incidentally, David Thomas would go on to form
Speaker 5: and front the band para Ubu for the next fifty years.
Speaker 5: The song was recorded by The Dead Boys with lyrics
Speaker 5: rewritten by singer Stive Baters, and it's the leadoff track
Speaker 5: on their nineteen seventy seven debut album, Young Loud and Snotty.
Speaker 5: On Sire Records.
Speaker 6: Boy Love It, Uh.
Speaker 5: Young, Loud and Snotty because I Like to Say It
Speaker 5: Again charted at number one on the Billboard two hundred
Speaker 5: of that year, November nineteen seventy seven. Now, by the way,
Speaker 5: that debut LP was produced by the legendary Gania Raven,
Speaker 5: who was a member of one of the first all
Speaker 5: female bands called Goldie and the Gingerbreads back in nineteen
Speaker 5: sixty three, and she's currently a DJ on Little Stephen's
Speaker 5: Underground Garage on Sirius XM. Okay, let's get down to it.
Speaker 5: As far as the grunts and groans go, now, the
Speaker 5: first one appears at about the one minute mark after
Speaker 5: the first verse in chorus. At that point, singer Stiff
Speaker 5: Baders sounds kind of like he's hacking up a hair ball.
Speaker 5: Then right before the guitar solo, he lets out an
Speaker 5: awesome scream and then sounds like he's vomiting, And then
Speaker 5: right the end of the song, stay tuned for that
Speaker 5: because that's where he really starts blowing chunks. Oh my God,
Speaker 5: Sit back and enjoy if you can, Sonic by.
Speaker 9: The Dead Boys.
Speaker 18: I don't need that, it won't don't need no moment.
Speaker 18: Dad don't need no food advice, don't need no realm
Speaker 18: or nice. I've got some news to you don't even
Speaker 18: need to do.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I got a damn scene, got my noronic drive,
Speaker 21: sonic soup.
Speaker 18: Ain't gonna lose out, you goma something put us out.
Speaker 18: Ain't gonna lose up. Sure, big bull light on the streets.
Speaker 18: They don't know I I watched.
Speaker 3: Them from my room and they are just passed it by.
Speaker 21: But I'm not, she said, A worm said, I'm not
Speaker 21: just sad a walk that. I got my dumb machine,
Speaker 21: got man that shonic train.
Speaker 5: Sid produce up.
Speaker 9: Ain't no lose out.
Speaker 4: Goma something to do so, so, ain't nonna lose up.
Speaker 22: Don't be a favorite suit root from some drunk too,
Speaker 22: thinks will be different there, the sun will last from here.
Speaker 15: Let out be tepee time and yell be nothing at all.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I got my down machine, I got my lept
Speaker 21: tynish trish tn to do so.
Speaker 4: I ain't known use up.
Speaker 3: You gonna song to do so? I ain't known use out.
Speaker 18: I gonna song son.
Speaker 1: To do so?
Speaker 5: Did you catch him on d you hear? Did you
Speaker 5: hear them all?
Speaker 6: I think so? I don't think I got them all.
Speaker 5: But well, I mean, I admit that Stive Bader's entire
Speaker 5: vocal delivery sounds like he's having a Grandmall seizure anyway,
Speaker 5: So it's kind of.
Speaker 2: The style back then.
Speaker 6: Well, of course, I don't know how you could do
Speaker 6: a whole concert with that just shredding your throat and
Speaker 6: then do it again the next day, and that sounds painful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well somehow he pulled it off.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The Dead Boys released a second studio album called We
Speaker 5: Have Come for Your Children a year later, in nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy eight. Now, this one was produced by a man
Speaker 5: named Felix Popallardi, and he had previously produced the LP
Speaker 5: Wheels of Fire for Cream and also played bass in
Speaker 5: the band Mountain. So kind of a weird combination there,
Speaker 5: but good credentials. Yeah. Sonic Producer has been covered by
Speaker 5: bands like Guns n' Roses and Pearl Jam, and was
Speaker 5: sampled by the Beastie Boys on their song an Open
Speaker 5: Letter to New York City, and it has appeared on
Speaker 5: numerous punk rock compilation albums. Any compilation about punk rock
Speaker 5: worth its salt, It's got Sonic Producer in it. The
Speaker 5: album Young Loud and Snotty was ranked at number seven
Speaker 5: on a Rolling Stone magazine reader's poll of the ten
Speaker 5: greatest punk rock albums. Now. After the Dead Boys broke
Speaker 5: up in nineteen seventy nine, Stiff Baters formed a band
Speaker 5: called Lords of the New Church in nineteen eighty one
Speaker 5: with the dam's original guitarist Brian James. Now you will
Speaker 5: be more mainstream than the Dead Boys. They definitely had
Speaker 5: more commercial success. Now. In nineteen nineties, Steve Baders died
Speaker 5: in Paris, France from injuries sustained after having been hit
Speaker 5: by a taxicab. Not believing that he was seriously injured,
Speaker 5: he refused to go to the hospital, returned to his apartment,
Speaker 5: and died in his sleep at age forty. Now now
Speaker 5: I'm just going to go off script here a little bit. Now.
Speaker 5: He was also known if you can believe it, to
Speaker 5: take drugs like heroin. Really yeah, can you imagine?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: I know, but one thing heroin apparently can do. I
Speaker 5: wouldn't know. This is something I am not familiar with.
Speaker 5: I have heard that it can cause like anemia, you know,
Speaker 5: like that you can bleed out easily. So if he
Speaker 5: had internal injuries.
Speaker 6: And it's also a treats paind so somebody who was
Speaker 6: completely sober would probably be in a whole lot more
Speaker 6: pain than he was.
Speaker 5: But I've also heard that was the whole thing was
Speaker 5: kind of like a cover. It was a straight up
Speaker 5: od and they just said that the kind of I
Speaker 5: don't know, it's too bad he's gone, and that you
Speaker 5: know it's forty is no joke, no, now, believe.
Speaker 15: It or not.
Speaker 5: I go on record, I never saw the Dead Boys
Speaker 5: perform in their prime. Now I've admitted I'll tell you
Speaker 5: anyone I have seen, but i'll tell you when I
Speaker 5: haven't seen them either. I never saw them live in
Speaker 5: their in their heyday, so to speak. But back in
Speaker 5: two thousand and five, the surviving members reunited to play
Speaker 5: a benefit show that tried to save CBGBs from closing.
Speaker 5: Obviously that didn't work, but I was at that show
Speaker 5: and they had Stiff's leather jacket hanging on the mic
Speaker 5: stand out in front, and at one point they announced,
Speaker 5: we're not the Dead Boys, we're what's left of the
Speaker 5: Dead Boys, so they knew who the who the main
Speaker 5: guy was. Now, I've also seen Cheetah Chrome play on
Speaker 5: his own more in more recent times, like at Joey
Speaker 5: Ramone's birthday bashes, and just a couple of years ago
Speaker 5: with Mercedes, we saw him in New York City with
Speaker 5: an obviously much younger band calling themselves the Dead Boys,
Speaker 5: in which Cheetah was the only original member. And I'll
Speaker 5: be you know, honest, I was personally kind of underwhelmed.
Speaker 5: But whatever, that's what you get in two thousand and
Speaker 5: twenty somethings. So there you have it. So that's my story.
Speaker 5: Now go to a concert, agreed.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that I'm not
Speaker 11: sure is true, but I'm pretty sure it's true. I
Speaker 11: used to run the night club at f I T.
Speaker 11: Fashion Institute Technology in Manhattan.
Speaker 8: And I hired them.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, they played for us for.
Speaker 8: Me one night.
Speaker 5: That's awesome.
Speaker 8: And then they went in.
Speaker 11: I showed them the dressing room. I had just gotten
Speaker 11: T shirt a T shirt order in uh probably I
Speaker 11: don't know, three five hundred dollars worth of T shirts,
Speaker 11: probably three back then, but boxes and boxes of them.
Speaker 8: They took them all.
Speaker 5: That does not surprise me. I don't right, for some reason,
Speaker 5: I'm not that.
Speaker 11: I don't know how they got past everybody They're just like,
Speaker 11: how do you walk out with these big boxes?
Speaker 2: But they did?
Speaker 5: What were they the T shirts of them? Or T
Speaker 5: shirts for the club?
Speaker 8: The club's T shirts?
Speaker 5: Oh so my T shirts for yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah all right, So have you seen any of the
Speaker 6: T shirts since?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: No or something?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because if you could trace it back, you know,
Speaker 6: you may have some good stories there. Yeah, they have
Speaker 6: to be out there. There have to be a few left.
Speaker 8: I mean there was a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow, yeah, all right, lesson learned. Don't leave anything
Speaker 6: you don't want stolen.
Speaker 8: In a band stressing room, in a bands stressing.
Speaker 6: Room, Yeah, a punk band stressing room. No, not a
Speaker 6: good idea.
Speaker 5: If it ain't nailed down, it's it's going yeah.
Speaker 6: All right, Well that's gonna be hard to top, so
Speaker 6: I'm not going to try. I'm going to just completely
Speaker 6: change direction. We're going to start with a Russian baritone
Speaker 6: singer named Edward Keel khi L, often anglicized to hill
Speaker 6: hi L. He was born in nineteen thirty four. His
Speaker 6: parents split up, and he wound up living with his mother.
Speaker 6: He was a young child in school at the start
Speaker 6: of World War Two. Keeping mind World War two started
Speaker 6: in Europe before the United States was involved, it was
Speaker 6: already underway. Edward was in school, supposedly kindergarten, and his
Speaker 6: school was bombed. He survived and he was evacuated with
Speaker 6: other students, but unfortunately that separated him from his mother.
Speaker 6: He wound up in a children's home with other displaced kids.
Speaker 6: They barely had enough to survive, but some of these
Speaker 6: children still found joy in performing and singing for injured
Speaker 6: soldiers who were in makeshift hospitals nearby, so they made
Speaker 6: the most of what they had. When he was nine,
Speaker 6: he was finally reunited with his mother. He would then
Speaker 6: go to school to learn how to be a printer,
Speaker 6: and then at twenty one he started at the Leningrad
Speaker 6: Conservatory as a voice student. A vocal student. He graduated
Speaker 6: from there in nineteen sixty and at this point Russia
Speaker 6: was now part of the Soviet Union the USSR, which
Speaker 6: is why those of us of certain ages had to
Speaker 6: do those ridiculous air raid drills in school. If you remember,
Speaker 6: if you don't know what I'm talking about, you have
Speaker 6: to go stand in the hallway with your hands over
Speaker 6: your head, like this was going to stop the Russian invasion.
Speaker 6: The Soviet invasion so okay. So Edward did well in
Speaker 6: operatic roles, but he became interested in popular music, and
Speaker 6: that is what made him a star in the Soviet Union.
Speaker 6: He won a bunch of awards and did well for himself.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he got a Peace Prize or not,
Speaker 6: but he got a bunch of music awards. In fact,
Speaker 6: the government set actually let him go out on tour
Speaker 6: and he toured over eighty countries around the world to
Speaker 6: help showcase Soviet talent, because that's what they did at
Speaker 6: the time. He was very good at connecting with audiences.
Speaker 6: He had a great sense of humor. He had a
Speaker 6: charm about him, a very distinctive voice, and he was
Speaker 6: always smiling. By the nineteen nineties, his popularity kind of
Speaker 6: waned a little bit, but he was always working. For example,
Speaker 6: he moved to Paris and he sang in cabarets in
Speaker 6: you know the Paris area, so those type of venues.
Speaker 6: He never stopped working. Back when he was a student
Speaker 6: in the conservatory, he got married to a fellow music
Speaker 6: student and they were married for the rest of his life.
Speaker 6: They had one son, who was also a musician, and unfortunately,
Speaker 6: in twenty twelve he died of a stroke in Saint Petersburg.
Speaker 6: So set Edward aside for one second. We will come
Speaker 6: back to him shortly now. There was a Russian composer
Speaker 6: named ar Katie Ostrowski who was born in nineteen fourteen.
Speaker 6: He died in nineteen sixty seven. He was known for
Speaker 6: writing what is termed lighter music, stuff like lullabies, children's songs,
Speaker 6: adult songs with like a simpler melody, you know, like
Speaker 6: an acoustic guitar kind of thing.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Lighter music doesn't mean easy or simple, it just means light,
Speaker 6: lighter themes and that kind of stuff. He was working
Speaker 6: on a tune that he titled I Am Very glad
Speaker 6: as I am finally returning back home, which I'm hoping
Speaker 6: is just much shorter in Russian because by the time
Speaker 6: you're done saying.
Speaker 8: That you're home already not very catchy.
Speaker 6: No, no, I'm sure it sounds better in Russian, but
Speaker 6: I really have no idea. The lyrics for the song
Speaker 6: were based on a poem about returning home to the
Speaker 6: American West, stuff like wide open spaces, fresh air, mountain views,
Speaker 6: trying to make the buffalo extinct, all that kind of
Speaker 6: stuff that the American West was known for. Edward Keel
Speaker 6: was supposed to perform the song on Soviet television in
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy six. Now this is where the story kind
Speaker 6: of we're not really sure. There are three possible sets
Speaker 6: of facts that may have happened at this point. I
Speaker 6: think each of them has a bit of truth to them.
Speaker 6: You tell me what you think. Number one, the Soviet
Speaker 6: government said, don yet yet. Yet they would not allow
Speaker 6: a happy song about the United States to be aired
Speaker 6: because everybody in the United States is a bunch of
Speaker 6: capitalist pigs and that was not going to happen. Remember,
Speaker 6: everybody was bad mouthed on the other side. So Soviet
Speaker 6: Union said, America is miserable and awful, and they were
Speaker 6: not going to allow a happy song to be done
Speaker 6: on TV propaganda. Uh huh, goes both ways. Number two
Speaker 6: Edward himself had hinted in interviews that the lyrics were
Speaker 6: kind of stupid and not fit to be published. Yet, which,
Speaker 6: all right, given the title maybe yeah. Number Three. Ostrowski,
Speaker 6: the composer got into an argument with the poet slash
Speaker 6: lyricist about which is more important the music or the lyrics,
Speaker 6: each of whom thought their part was more important, and
Speaker 6: the argument got so heated that Ostrowsky basically told the
Speaker 6: lyricists to take his lyrics and stick them where the
Speaker 6: sun don't shine. Whichever version or combin of these three things,
Speaker 6: the result is that the piece was rewritten as a
Speaker 6: vocal lease, meaning that the melody stayed the same, but
Speaker 6: the lyrics were removed and were changed to nonsense syllables.
Speaker 6: So this vocalese version is what Edward Keel wound up
Speaker 6: performing on TV in nineteen seventy six, and it was
Speaker 6: a hit, so much so that Edward adopted the stage
Speaker 6: name that was given to him by the audience, mister
Speaker 6: Trollo low, based on the nonsense syllable low troll lo
Speaker 6: t r o l o l o. Mister trollo low,
Speaker 6: he just as opposed to.
Speaker 11: La la correct sound sounds better in German, I mean Russian?
Speaker 5: Does it?
Speaker 6: We'll go with that.
Speaker 5: Trilo la sounded to Americans.
Speaker 6: It did. I think trollo lo capitalist peak. Now chances
Speaker 6: are you've seen a clip of this performance because it
Speaker 6: started becoming viral in twenty ten when it was rediscovered
Speaker 6: and put up on YouTube, and it was making the
Speaker 6: circuit around social media to the point where Stephen Colbert,
Speaker 6: Jimmy Kimmel, and even Family Guy each did a spoof
Speaker 6: of this. Colbert loved it because this guy was just
Speaker 6: smiley and so full of joy, which I think is great.
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna stop talking now and we are going
Speaker 6: to listen to I am very glad as I am
Speaker 6: finally returning back home now better known as Trollolo.
Speaker 9: No no no no no no no no no did
Speaker 9: oh holla no no no no no no no no
Speaker 9: no no no no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: And there you have it, Crambones. I turn it over
Speaker 6: to you for your commentary.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna this this picture that you sent of this
Speaker 1: guy singing this song. I'm using this as your contact photo.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you I have no words, and apparently neither
Speaker 5: did he neither does the song.
Speaker 3: So mm hmm.
Speaker 8: It was kind of fun to hear once.
Speaker 6: It's a bit of a rock and roll move to
Speaker 6: be like, I don't need your lyrics.
Speaker 3: To see what you get.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 5: I want to know did he sing it the same
Speaker 5: way every time or did he just kind of make
Speaker 5: it up as you went along.
Speaker 6: That's a good question.
Speaker 5: I don't know, and who.
Speaker 6: Would know generally a vocally something like that. It's written out,
Speaker 6: the syllables are actually written out, so it would be
Speaker 6: the same. But with him his background and pop music also,
Speaker 6: who knows, maybe.
Speaker 8: Roopies and roadies know.
Speaker 5: I know it was before the age of teleprompters, so
Speaker 5: that that would be of no help, you know. Or
Speaker 5: if you had it on the music stand, what would it?
Speaker 5: Saya la la la.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's it. I have nothing more to add
Speaker 6: on that one. I don't think there is anything else
Speaker 6: to add.
Speaker 5: Yeah there are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I hope I fulfill the assignment.
Speaker 4: Everybody.
Speaker 11: Everybody's pick was fabulous.
Speaker 6: All right, So that means it's a good time to
Speaker 6: pull the plug right before things go further downhill. So
Speaker 6: let's do that, all right. Everybody take your uh's with
Speaker 6: you on your way out the door. Mercedes, good topic
Speaker 6: that was. That was a lot of homework and I
Speaker 6: don't mind that.
Speaker 9: I liked that. That was good.
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