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Speaker 2: It's Nicole Atkins on the Rock and Roll History Show.

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Speaker 6: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Rock and Roll History

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Show on Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horowitz. We have

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an interesting topic that I am not even going to

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attempt to explain. I'm gonna leave that to the Crambone

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who came up with it. But before, yep, we jumped

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in confused. Uh yeah, yep, that's why I'm not touching it.

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We're gonna let the expert explain it. But before we

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jump in, allow me to introduce all the Crambones joining

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us here tonight. First and foremost, from the Richter Observatory.

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Do you think it's rude to get invited to a

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funky little shack and then be expected to bring your

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own jukebox? Money?

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Speaker 5: What's that? What's all that about?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 5: How you doing? Everybody?

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Speaker 6: From paranormally yours. She says that jurabil is actually short

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for jur Williams, Gail newcomers here, Oh my one from

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the silver screen. She saw a Roman centurion walk into

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a bar and order a Martinez. The bartender said, you

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mean a martini, and the centurion said, if I wanted

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a double, I would have asked for it. Mercedes cantas here.

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Speaker 8: Okay, you're you're on tonight.

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Speaker 9: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 6: It's all Daniel from here, so enjoy you. Wall last,

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our officially retired teacher. He went to the pharmacy and

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asked for deodorant. The pharmacist asked ball or airsol said neither.

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It's from my armpits. John Kelly is here.

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Speaker 10: Oh, good evening, everybody.

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Speaker 6: Good to be And last, but not least, the host

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of shaving cream. She says, a zombie making a stir

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fry is a dead man walking Barbara Wow.

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Speaker 1: And while he's busy cooking, I'm running.

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Speaker 6: All right. Yeah, you want to get your human flesh

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up to what is it, one hundred and forty degrees

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to make sure you kill the Yeah. Yeah, so I've

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heard all right. So tonight's topic was courtesy of Mercedes,

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So I'm going to turn it over to her to

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explain it, and then she's going to lead us off

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as well, so take it away.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Brian. This topic was not very hard songs

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with UGH. You know that song.

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Speaker 11: You've all heard that, many of these songs. I'm gonna

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talk about what I'm.

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Speaker 8: Going to talk about the history of UGH.

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Speaker 2: I don't know there was a history, all right?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't like the first word ever, it was.

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Speaker 2: The first song word.

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Speaker 6: Nowadays, I think the first word is can I speak

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with your manager? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: True?

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Speaker 11: So the UH has been a very long has a

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very long history. According to Masterclass, that rhythmic guttural ugh

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is one of the most powerful non lexical vocalizations in

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modern music history. Often referred to by musicians and musicologists

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as a vocal grunt, rock grunt, or rhythmic exclamation, it

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serves multiple artistic and structural purposes across genres.

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Speaker 8: The ugh so am I doing it right?

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Speaker 11: Is deeply rooted in gospel blues and early rhythm and blues.

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It transitioned from a raw, spontaneous burst of emotion into

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a highly calculated musical tool. In traditional Western and South

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pretty melodies. When Africans were enslaved and brought to the

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American South. These vocal traditions adapted to survival.

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Speaker 8: The music.

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Speaker 11: The musical UGH, I keep doing it differently was born

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directly out of backbreaking manual labor. As work songs evolved

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into the blues, early recording artists brought the raw physical

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sounds of the field into commercial music. Early Delta blues

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players like Charlie Patten or Blind Willie Johnson would pepper

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their lyrics with gravelly grunts and uugh sounds to simulate

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the physical strain of their lyrics. You can hear in

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music history by turning the grunt into a formal arrangement.

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James Brown weaponized to the ugh or ugh right on

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the downbeat or the backbeat, replacing traditional lyrics with pure

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rhythmic punctuation. From there, it was picked up another genres

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of music, pop with Michael Jackson, who was also heavily

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influenced by James Brown, heavy rock like Metallica and ACDC,

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and hip hop with rapper Master P who I don't know.

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Speaker 8: So that's the history of it all right, Pretty crazy, huh.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot to it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it goes way, way, way way back.

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Speaker 6: I remember my college experience. I took a public speaking course,

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one of the best classes I ever took, and doctor

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Pete Baker was the professor. He had an UH chart,

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Somebody's job was to market it on the piece of

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tag poster board. So and boy, you learn how to

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not say uhs and ums and the fillers, the brain fillers,

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you know. Yeah, long story, yeah, long story. Short. Silence

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is fine. It lets people have time to absorb what

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you're saying. But the uzz and the ums take you

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out of the moment. And yeah, when somebody's there tallying

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up the number of times you say it, you stopped

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pretty quickly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it also gives you a moment to think, Yeah,

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it does. So it's it's good all around.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's too late now. But if somebody had

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had the foresight to actually copyright the uh or whatever,

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you know, grunt, they would be making millions, because absolutely

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the royalties would just be rolling in. But I guess

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it's it's it's too late now.

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Speaker 6: It is, well, you know, the most of the bag

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the most famous annoyed grunt anybody is you dope? From

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The Simpsons. Sim Homer was written in early scripts as

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annoyed grunt and Dan Castellanetta came up with dope, and

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it's now in the dictionary.

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Speaker 5: In the dictionary, everyone knew, you know, they knew it.

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They knew it instinctively, that that was what it meant,

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you know, yeah, brilliant.

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Speaker 6: Imagine inventing a word.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 5: That's well, I've created.

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Speaker 14: A few, you know, we all, yeah, we've all uttered

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a few in our day.

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Speaker 6: I meant more academically speaking, but yes, we've all had

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our bourbon related vocab Larry, Yes.

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Speaker 5: Creative cursing is you know? Oh yeah, I excelled in that.

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That was the best class I had. Creative cursing. Nice, Yes,

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and so and so immediately got sent to the principal's office.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, so you all heard me do perform the word.

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Let's go around the room and hurt here everybody else's.

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Speaker 2: Can we do that?

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Speaker 6: Okay? Okay, who's first?

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Speaker 8: Brian? You're first?

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Speaker 6: Can I go with dope? Is that taking already?

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Speaker 5: Nice?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 8: John?

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Speaker 11: Oh okay, different different kind of grunt, Gail, Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Couple of.

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Speaker 2: Please. Look you're talking to no, no, I.

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Speaker 8: Mean lower, lower and pitch. That is what I meant.

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Speaker 1: Guttural.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 15: Oh, let's got the voice fry to bar.

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Speaker 8: Oh you sound pissed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'm just waiting for Brian, when we're

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all done with this, to make like a SoundBite of

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all of us doing this and then change the order

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and keep doing it.

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Speaker 8: I just I just know he's going to you mean

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like jingle bears with dogs.

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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, yes, now you've given him ideas.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: I'm waiting for it, Neil, what do you get?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's exasperated.

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Speaker 5: That's how I wake up every morning and face the day.

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I see the sun out, the birds are chirping, the clouds,

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the sky is blue.

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Speaker 15: It's interesting, though, because not all languages use h for uh.

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Some use actual words, like in Spanish they use esta,

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which is weird because you're going estay. That's complicated for me.

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French is eh, Sheerman is m. Japanese is anno or eto.

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some languages use an actual different word.

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Speaker 6: But they all have that that space filler. Yeah, let

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your brain catch up to your motor back to do cuche.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hear it like that one. Okay, So.

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Speaker 5: Can I go? Please?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 11: So I'm going to talk about Prince, and oh what

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do you say about Prince? I quickly realized that after

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starting my research that it would be almost impossible to

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include everything about him, his influence, his incredible talent.

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Speaker 8: So I will do the best.

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Speaker 11: In a short amount of time. I saw Prince multiple

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times and I am so grateful. The first time was

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at the Ritz in New York City, and I just

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read this about the performance. Prince's iconic performance at the

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Ritz in New York City took place on March twenty second,

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eighty one, during his Dirty Mind tour. During his rendition

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of the provocative song Head, Prince sat and writhed on

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a prop bed, pushing the boundaries of stage performance. The

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March twenty second show is a legendary moment in early

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Prince history. The audience for this particular night famously included

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Mick Jagger and Daryl Hall. Jagger was so captivated by

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Prince's raw, funk driven stage presence that he invited Prince

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to open for the Rolling Stones later that year. I

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did not know this at the time, but I was there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, cool.

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Speaker 11: Prince born Prince Rogers Nelson was and that was really

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hurt for me. An American singer, songwriter, musician, dancer, actor,

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and filmmaker. He came from a musical family and he

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wrote his first song, Funk Machine, at the age of seven,

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on his father's piano. He was signed by Warner Brothers

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Records when he was eighteen, and his first LP for You,

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was released in nineteen seventy eight. On the album, Prince wrote,

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produced a range, composed, and played all twenty seven instruments

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so often. Wet, which was the album's lead single, became

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a minor hit on the Billboard Chart one hundred, peaking

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at number ninety two. However, it became a top ten

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hit on the Billboard Hot Soul Single Chart, peaking at

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number twelve. In October nineteen eighty, Prince released the album

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Dirty Mind, which contained sexually explicit material and was described

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by music critic Stephen Thomas Erlewine as a stunning, audacious

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amalgam of funk, new wave, R and B, and pop

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fueled by Grinningly Salacious Sex and the Desire to Shock.

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I was actually given this LP when it was released

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from an old boyfriend, and I honestly didn't quite know

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what to make of it at the time, but I

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do still have it. In October nineteen eighty one, Prince

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released the album Controversy. In nineteen eighty one, Prince formed

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a side project band called The Time. The band released

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four albums between nineteen eighty one and nineteen ninety, with

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Prince writing and performing most of the instruments and background vocals,

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with lead vocals by Morris Day. In late nineteen eighty two,

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Prince released a double album nineteen ninety nine with a

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new band called The Revolution Who Can Forget Wendy and Lisa,

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which sold more than four million copies. Princess Little Red

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Corvette was one of the first two videos by black artists,

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along with Michael Jackson's Billy Jean played in heavy rotation

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on MTV Pretty Interesting. Then, of course, there was the

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Purple Rain soundtrack. According to his manager, he was required

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to find him a star role in a feature film,

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which resulted in the film Purple Rain. The album Purple

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Rain sold more than thirteen million copies in the United

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States and spent twenty twenty four consecutive weeks at number

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one on the Billboard two hundred chart. The film won

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Prince an Academy Award for Best Original Song Score and

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grossed more than sixty eight million dollars in the US.

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And you know, obviously that would be a lot more today.

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At one point, Prince simultaneously had the number one album,

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the number one single, and the number one film in

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the United States, being the first person to achieve this.

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Speaker 2: If you can, if you.

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Speaker 15: Get ahead, that song Purple Rain rabs me every single time.

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Speaker 11: I know, I know, I mean, I feel like that

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way about most of his songs. But and if you

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can't tell I'm a huge fan, you picked up on

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that by now.

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Speaker 8: There's so much more.

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Speaker 11: But let's get to the song kiss from the album

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Under the Cherry Moon, which was also a film but

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didn't do as well and received a Golden Raspberry Award.

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Although many critics later changed their opinion, Kisses ugh is

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the quintessential for me.

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Speaker 8: Let's hear it, don't have to.

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Speaker 5: Do me, do me.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you it's so hard. You don't have

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to be rich to be you don't have to be

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cool to do all he not particular side all the batable.

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Speaker 4: I just want jose extra.

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Speaker 16: Time and your.

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Speaker 2: Kiss.

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Speaker 3: And you've got to not talk to the baby. You

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won't I press me. You can't be to sir the MoMA.

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I don't have to undress me. Yeah I want to be.

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I have to say maybe you could be married.

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Speaker 12: You just leave it.

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Speaker 17: Oh luck to we could have good don't have the bach,

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don't have the big mobile the boy want at the time. Yo, jesus,

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Oh thanks, you go and list they.

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Speaker 18: Got that gott.

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Speaker 19: Women loue mall shut their rule marbles.

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Speaker 3: Actual think not a shoe, such a shoe son.

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Speaker 2: Make a week soon. The talk.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to watch the speaking in to head

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and attitude.

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Speaker 4: You don't.

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Speaker 3: To me my love be awfoo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you don't bu kiss.

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Speaker 11: So let me just speak to my fellow crambones for

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a moment. Y'all talked through the ear so I heard one.

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Speaker 10: I mean we have to hear it again.

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Speaker 6: We got the gist of it.

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Speaker 11: There's one very specific one that is an absolute. A

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few more facts that you might not know. His underground

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vault at Paisley Park, which Brian tried to go to

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and didn't.

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Speaker 8: It's going to give you there's a story, didn't well.

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Speaker 6: Number one all right, it was Minneapolis. We were out

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there for farm Eide. It sold out, but it was

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so stupid expensive that even if it was available, I

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don't know, but.

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Speaker 8: That's okay, I would have gone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So the underground vault at Paisley Park contains a massive

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collection of music. Archivist knows that there is enough completed

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material to release a new posthumous album every year for

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one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 8: Allow music.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you wanted to get anywhere near that,

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it costs even more. Oh, I bet you could knock

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on the front door for a hundred bucks or something

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like that. I don't remember what it was.

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Speaker 11: Prince secretly gave away millions of dollars to charities, family

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members of civil rights victims, and community tech initiatives on

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the condition that his name never be revealed. During his lifetime,

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Prince also composed music for other artists, including Manic Monday

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for the Bengals, I Feel for You for Chuka Khan,

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and Nothing Compares to You for Snead O'Connor. He was

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a devowed Jehovah's witness who even went door to door.

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One woman in Minnesota tells of the time that he

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knocked on her door and started in on religion, and

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she said, you know what, into a Jewish household, and

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this is.

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Speaker 8: Not something I'm interested in.

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Speaker 11: Okay, because after his passing in twenty sixteen, there was

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no will found. In addition to his full sister, Prince's

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five half siblings also had a claim to an estate

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totally millions of dollars in cash, as well as real estate, stocks,

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and cars. Within three weeks of his death, seven hundred

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people claimed to be half siblings or descendants.

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Speaker 3: Of course, that gets an uh from me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is it too late to your name to

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the list.

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Speaker 11: Prince is often credited as a major influence on modern

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popular music and was the quote unquote, the greatest musician

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of his generation. According to Billboard, Simon Reynolds called him

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a pop polymath, which I had to look up. It

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means he knows. He's got a wide range of knowledge,

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flitting between funk ddelia, fronkadelia, funkadelia, acid rock, deep soul, schmaltz,

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often within the same song. In twenty sixteen, Simon Reynolds

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said Prince's eighties evasion of conventional gender definition speaks to

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us now in this transware moment, but it also harkens

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backwards in time to the original rock and roll in

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racial mixture and sexual blurring. Prince was known for the

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strong female presence in his bands and his support for

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women in the music industry.

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Speaker 8: Throughout his career. Slat said that.

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Speaker 11: He worked with an astounding range of female stars and

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quote unquote promised a world where men and women looked

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and acted like each other. In twenty twenty three, Billboard

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ranked him at number sixteen on their list of the

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two hundred Greatest Singers of All Time. In nineteen ninety three,

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during negotiations regarding the release of the Gold Experience album,

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there was a legal battle between Warner Brothers and Print

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over the artistic and financial control of his music. He

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appeared in public and explained that he had changed his

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name to an unpronounceable symbol to emancipate himself from his

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contract with Warner Brothers, and that he had done it

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out of frustration because he felt his own name now

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belonged to the company. That symbol has a name, by

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the way, it's the love symbol.

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Speaker 8: Number two.

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Speaker 11: Since the symbol did not exist on computer keyboards, Warner

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Brothers sent floppy discs to media outlets containing a digital

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rendition of the image. Course, most people referred to him

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as the artist formerly known as Prince. He released thirty

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nine studio albums during his lifetime, alongside numerous live and

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posthumous projects. In nineteen ninety five, the album that he released,

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The Gold Experience, had a song title The Most Beautiful

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Girl in the World, and Prince had a contest where

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girls would send in their pictures to be in the video,

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and we actually interviewed the winner on the silver screen.

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Speaker 5: I remember that. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 8: She told us all about.

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Speaker 11: Being terrified, very excited, and Paisley Park.

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Speaker 6: All right cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Tom Jones did a version of Kiss that Neil mentioned

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while it was playing, and I think I like the

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Tom Jones version better. Did a weird Aldo a version

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not yet?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what would it be called? Hiss?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Kiss did a song was called Prince.

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Speaker 6: This I appreciate. All right, thank you, Mercedes, good leader.

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I was good and a challenging topic.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it really was.

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Speaker 6: It was it was John, You're.

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Speaker 14: Up, okay, I was kind of puzzled by this topic, Mercedes.

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You know, it kind of forces you to put your

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thinking cap on to kind of figure out. And I

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had had been off the show for a few weeks,

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so I was kind of thrown this and I wasn't

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quite sure of the origin of the context, and I

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was like, where the heck can I go with this?

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So I what I found for Better or Worse was

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a song from nineteen sixty four from a garage rock

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band called The Novas. Now, Neil, I must say that

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the song that I chose for tonight was also recorded

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by the Ramones. However, this is not the Ramones version,

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So this is the song of the Crusher. It was

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recorded by the garage rock band the Novas from Dallas

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Fort Worth. They were only they were only around from

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nineteen sixty three to nineteen sixty eight and the only

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I believe, recorded seven or eight songs. They were hugely

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popular in the North Texas area, all high school kids

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and whatnot, and they disbanded and when they went to

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college and that was that. So it'll be really interesting

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to see if these guys had stuck around together.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 14: A couple of their members were forcibly pulled from the

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band because their parents were upset with them.

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Speaker 6: Go figure, and.

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Speaker 9: But yes, yes, so.

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Speaker 10: Could you imagine doing that in the seventies. But you

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know it's the song of the.

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Speaker 14: Crusher was about a boxer and let me see if

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I get his name straight.

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Speaker 6: It was a.

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Speaker 11: Excuse me, John, did you say they released six or

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seven songs or six or seven albums?

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Speaker 14: Six or seven songs? I believe, Oh wow, Yeah, it

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was a garage rock band. I wanted to go a

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little obscure for my selection, so rather than go with

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something like the Ramones or something like that, So the

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song itself was where I Gotta find it here.

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Speaker 5: You don't think this was obscure to me, though, do you?

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Speaker 14: No, not in the least, Not in the least, Neil,

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Are you kidding me? It just saying, oh please, nothing

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is obscure to you, Neil. I could go back to

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Roman times and I am sure you would be familiar

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with the track.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let me just say.

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Speaker 14: Anyway, it's the original track with a tongue in chic

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owed to a nineteen sixties professional wrestler, Reginald the Crusher Thesowski.

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So it features a raunchy over the top vocal delivery

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imitating the wrestler's signature grel and instructions for a fake

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dance craze with the recurring line, do the hammer lock,

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you turkey nicks. So why don't I leave it at

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that and let's play the Crusher by the Novas.

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Speaker 13: Do the hammer lock, I do the hammer lot. Do

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the hammer lock, you turkeyacks. Yeah, do the hammer lock,

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the hammer lock. Everybody's doing.

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Speaker 4: Duty.

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Speaker 7: I gods, Candy, I God, I got you turkey nags. Yeah,

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I do the I go, I do, I God, everybody's doing.

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Speaker 13: Okay, your turkey nucks.

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Speaker 5: Had a round.

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Speaker 9: I really know you how to do that crusher, Na,

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just not learn that job.

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Speaker 7: You gonna get here the ring. Okay, I'll take your

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profess and that's put it out of your waist, now

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have you dog?

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Speaker 13: They're gonna bear that.

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Speaker 7: Spray if I just wake your crocker's head, just.

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Speaker 13: Fload of place that crusher. Know that crushers, show your

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turny nucks. You can't do that crusher.

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Speaker 14: Everybody now, okay, the crusher by then Nova's Now. I

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think I detected a little bit of grunting and groaning

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in that track there.

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Speaker 5: Mercedes with that kind of Okay, there might there might

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have even been some words in there too, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I could swear I heard the term do the I ouch.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I just I'm just picturing horrified nineteen early

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sixties parents, you know, who are still in that fifties vibe,

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you know, And I could see that, you know, some

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mom pulling her son from these guys because she was

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afraid he was gonna, I don't know, do some drugs

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and brock and roll for God's sakes.

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Speaker 5: Now, it's interesting. It's interesting too that right around the

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same time the Surfing Bird song came out by the Trash. Yeah,

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so it was in that vein of just absurdity. Really.

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, completely, But I'm kind of sorry these guys

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went off to college. I have to do a little

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more reason to find research and find out whatever happened

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to these guys.

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Speaker 10: But anyway, the Ramones did the recorded a version on

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their studio album Adios Amigos, written by D D Ramone

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under the moniker D D King.

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Speaker 6: Do I have that right there, the Wizard of.

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Speaker 5: Ugg Yeah, the well, yeah, they're their version that the

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lyrics are different, but it's based on the same character.

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The crush and it was sung written by d D.

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But it was sung by their then current bass player

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CJ Okay Ramone. So yeah, and d D King was

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his rap name, and that lasted all of about one album,

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and and that was about all anybody could really.

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Speaker 8: You did you did a song from his rap album?

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Speaker 5: I believe so he did.

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Speaker 8: He did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think mashed Potato time he did that, and

481
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it's no and you know, yeah, as far as rap

482
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goes was a great punk rock bass player.

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Speaker 14: Well, I I first, I first, of course, when I

484
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was doing my research for this, the Ramones pop right up.

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But in true what I have learned from my my,

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my dear Crambones here on the Rock and Roll History Show,

487
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Let's dig a little deeper, and I found the novas

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and uh and there you have it, folks. So I

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hope you can take a listen check it out on YouTube.

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It's actually a real fun parody song. And h just

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don't try to sing along. You might crack your vocal chords.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you don't have laryngitis, you will, exactly.

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Speaker 8: I'm so curious what they look like. Do they do

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they dress for the part?

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Speaker 14: No, they're they're typical early sixties teenagers. They're very think uh,

496
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I think early Beatles, real, you know, real clean cut.

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I'll send you guys a picture but funny. Yeah, oh

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yeah yeah, real classic. Then you could see the picture

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and try to imagine these kids doing those guttural skin

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of screeches and you know, but hope you all enjoyed

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this little blast from nineteen sixty four and then the

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late great Novas the Crusher.

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Speaker 10: So thank you, Mercedes. You forced me down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate that.

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Speaker 18: Love it awesome?

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Speaker 5: That was great.

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Speaker 6: That was a good one. All right, Let's take a

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quick break. Let you reset your ears for a minute,

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and we have lots more coming up, So stick around

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Hudson River Radio. Your dog likes us.

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Speaker 8: This concludes the first part of this cassette. Please turn

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the cassette over and begin again on side too. This

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is Hudson River Radio dot Com.

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Speaker 6: Ah y, give me uh Gail.

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Speaker 15: That is a truly hard act to follow. There's nothing

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quite like John's presentation just now.

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Speaker 2: And that song mine's kind of boring compared to that. Wow.

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Speaker 15: I chose a song by the Pixies and they started

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they they're from the United States. They formed a band

520
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in nineteen eighty six in Boston, Massachusetts. They were active

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from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety three, and then

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back again two thousand and four to the present. The

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original lineup was Black Francis on vocals and rhythm guitar,

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Joey Santiago on lead guitar, Kim Deal on bass and vocals,

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and David Lovering on drums. They're associated with the nineteen

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nineties alternative rock boom, and they drew on elements including

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punk rock and surf rock, although from what little I've

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heard of them, I don't really.

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Speaker 2: Think that. I don't know where they get the surf

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rock because I don't hear it.

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Speaker 15: But anyway, oh, their music is known for dynamics, loud quiet,

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loud shifts, and song structures kind of like when you're

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watching TV and the actual program you're listening to, the

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dialogue is very very quiet, and then the commercial comes

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really loud.

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Speaker 2: Which is not supposed to do anymore.

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Speaker 5: That was like, that was that the what if you

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want to call it genre or whatever, that idea was.

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Nirvana did it all the time. That's where it started

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to blame them, is what I'm going to say. Yeah, okay,

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that's it sounds soft and all of a sudden he

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steps on the you know.

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Speaker 15: Black Francis is the primary songwriter. His often surreal lyrics

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cover such cheerful topics as extraterrestrials, incest, and biblical violence.

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The Pixies only found the modest success in the US,

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but were much more successful in the UK and elsewhere

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in Europe. Their alternative rock sound influenced acts such as Nirvana, Radiohead,

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Modest Mouse, The Smashing Pumpkins, and Wheezer. The way the

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group picked their name was when Joey Santiago selected the

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word Pixies randomly from a dictionary, liking how it looked

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and it's definition as mischievous little elves. Actually that should

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be mischievous little elves. Uh. The song I chose called

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Hey almostly oh, but it's you know, there isn't uh

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in it.

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Speaker 1: It's not just hey, it's like schoolhouse rock interjections.

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Speaker 2: Yes, introjects. Yeah.

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Speaker 15: So Hey is from their second full album, which was

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called Doolittle, as in Doctor Dolittle, and that was recorded

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in the last six weeks of nineteen eighty eight. Dolittle

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had a much cleaner sound compared to the raw sound

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of their first first two releases, largely due to the

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production budget of forty thousand dollars, which was quadruple that

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of their previous album. Doolittle was their first album to

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enter onto the Billboard two hundred, peaking at ninety eight

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in the UK. The album was a commercial success, reaching

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number eight into the Billboard two hundred. In early nineteen

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ninety three, Black Francis announced this guy apparently had no

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emotional intelligence because he announced in an interview with BBC

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Radio five that the Pixies were finished without telling the

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other band members.

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Speaker 6: That reflects back to the mischievous part.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess they all said.

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Speaker 15: Yeah. He offered no explanation at the time. He later

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called Santiago and notified Dale and Lovering via fax. Look

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so rude, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't like come for him afterwards.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, not too passive aggressive now, So let's hear.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, been trying to meet you.

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Speaker 18: Hey ask me a devil between us.

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Speaker 19: Moors in my head? How hor in my bad?

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Speaker 2: But hey, where.

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Speaker 15: Have you.

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Speaker 10: Be?

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Speaker 4: If you go?

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Speaker 2: I was shut it down?

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Speaker 15: Shut h.

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Speaker 4: Named which by.

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Speaker 19: Age, butcher cha back to Butcher.

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Speaker 20: H sit the man to the lady, lady to the man,

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she a guard and the horse like a mile.

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Speaker 4: Nights and marreth you tired about this up?

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Speaker 19: Yes? Sound I come by?

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Speaker 16: Thence on a man of ride? Which which which witch? Witch?

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Speaker 19: When ship? Which?

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Speaker 15: That sounds kind of like, oh rough, maybe stream of

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consciousness thing going there to me?

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Speaker 2: They did have a couple of in.

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Speaker 8: There, Oh yeah, clearly besides hey, okay, oh so.

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Speaker 15: They're influenced by a number of different artists and music genres.

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Each member came from a different musical background. Some of

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their influences are Slash were, Who'scardu, Captain beef Hart, who

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I never heard of, Neil probably heard of, uh yeah,

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because Neil knows everything about.

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Speaker 5: Rock, not everything, almost Iggy pop.

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Speaker 15: Ri Em, The Beatles, White Album, Buddy Holly, Black Flag,

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David Bowie, t Rex, Elvis Costello, and the list goes on.

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Most of the Pixies songs are composed and sung by

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lead singer Black Francis. Critic Stephen Thomas Lwin has described

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his writing as containing bizarre, fragmented lyrics about space, religion, sex, mutilation,

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and pop culture. This particular song is known as a

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gritty blues influenced rock ballad about the chaotic and dark

612
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realities of a turbulent relationship. Frank Black Who that's that's

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what Black Frank took as a name when he when

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the band split up and they all went and did

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you know solo things?

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Speaker 11: Wait, he went from black Frank to Frank Black.

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Speaker 15: Uh, Francis Black Francis to Frank Black Okay, a little confusing.

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He has described it as an R and B slow jam,

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rooted in rumors and stories he heard about his parents

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wild younger years.

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Speaker 2: Alrighty.

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Speaker 15: Then the lyrics explore the themes of infidelity, jealousy and

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unresolved longing. The protagonist feels inextricably chained to his lover,

624
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acknowledging the toxicity and distractions. Now the distractions were metaphorized

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00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:36,840
as shall we say to be more family friendly? Ladies

626
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of the night in my head and constantly pulling them apart.

627
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So that's thinking about his parents. Oh my goodness, wow wow.

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The album was an instant critical success and became their

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breakthrough album. It was very well received in Europe, where

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the British Music weeklies Melody Maker and Sounds named it

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their best album of the year, and on its release,

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Do Little Relief. Do Little reached number eight on the

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UK Album's chart. It has sold consistently since its release,

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and numerous music publications have placed it among the top

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albums of the nineteen eighties. I had never heard of

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them until like four years ago, but that doesn't necessarily

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mean anything.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 15: It charted at number one seventy one on the US

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Billboard two hundred and it sold steadily in America, breaking

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sales of one hundred thousand and the lineup because you know,

642
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,119
bands seem to go through changes in line up and

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00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,559
there's it would have taken forever to tell about who

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00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,760
did what and when and came back and left and

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00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:26,400
butt On this particular song, Black Francis is on vocals,

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rhythm guitar and acoustic guitar, Kim Deal is on bass,

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guitar and vocals, Joey Santiago is on lead guitar and

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backing vocals, and David Lovering is on drums.

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Speaker 2: And Mercedes or Neil Do you have anything to add?

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Speaker 5: Not particularly. The only song I really know by them

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00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,519
is called This Monkey's Gone to Heaven, which used to

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I'd hear it on the radio. But I think that

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what was one of the singles from that album.

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Speaker 2: It was the main single from it had to do with.

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Speaker 15: The environment and what was happening to the environment.

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Speaker 5: And I also know yeah, Kim Deal went on to

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be in a band called The Breeders, who had, you know,

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some relative success.

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Speaker 2: Cannon Ball is one of their singles.

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Speaker 8: I really like that song me too.

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Speaker 5: That They're very provocative, They're very you know, they're very

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they make you think.

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Speaker 2: But that's good sometimes, No, of course it is.

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Speaker 6: Gives me a headache when I have to engage this part.

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Speaker 2: Thinking is underrated.

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Speaker 6: It's such a pain.

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Speaker 2: That's all I got.

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Speaker 6: That was a good one. Barbara brought to you Okay, Well.

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Speaker 1: I have chosen the song Boogie with Me, sometimes known

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as simply Boogie by John Hartford. He was born John

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Harford on December thirtieth, nineteen thirty seven, and he later

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changed his last name to Hartford because chet Atkins, who

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signed Hartford to RCAA Records in nineteen sixty three, thought

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it would sound better professionally and advised him to Hartford

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was an American folk, country and bluegrass musician and composer,

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also known for his excellence on fiddle and banjo, his

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witty lyrics, unique vocal style which you will find out soon,

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00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:48,239
and his extensive knowledge of the Mississippi River lore. He

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was born in New York City but spent his childhood

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in Saint Louis, Missouri, and he was a descendant of

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Patrick Henry and a cousin to Tennessee Williams. The Mississippi

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River was a profound influence on his career and music.

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He got various jobs on the river, beginning at age sixteen,

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eventually earning his steamboat pilot's license. He worked on the

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river until nineteen sixty five, when he moved to Nashville

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as he felt it was time to prioritize his music career.

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The following year, he signed with RCA Victor and released

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his first album. After being inspired by the film Doctor Jivago,

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he wrote and recorded the song Gentle on My Mind

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and included it on his second album in nineteen sixty seven,

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but it only achieved moderate success. However, it caught the

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attention of everybody Glenn campbell I thought so okay who

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recorded it, resulting in even more extensive success and later

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becoming one of the most widely recorded Country Songs of

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All Time, earning four awards to two of which went

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to Hartford. The royalties from the song gave Hartford financial independence,

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and he then moved to the West Coast and became

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a regular on The Smothers Brother's Comedy Hour, a regular

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on The Glenn Campbell Goodtime Hour, The Johnny Cash Show,

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and various other TV and music performances, including playing with

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the Birds on their album Sweetheart of the Rodeo. In

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nineteen seventy one, he signed with Warner Warner Brothers Records,

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which gave him more freedom to record in a non

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traditional style, which he preferred, and this style eventually evolved

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into what is known as newgrass. He recorded several albums,

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including Aeroplane and Plane is spelled p lai N, which

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featured the song Boogie with Me. So let's pause here

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and for your listening pleasure, I present Boogie with Me.

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00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 12: Uh uh uh, Hey baby, wanna boogie boogie woogie woogie

710
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,639
with me? Hey Baby, I wanna boogie boogie woogie woogie

711
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,000
with me a week and boogie over here. We can

712
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:21,159
boogie over there. Come on, babe, we can boogie everywhere.

713
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,159
Hey baby, I want a boogie, boogie, woogie woogie with me.

714
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:37,239
Hey Baby, I want a boogie boogie woogie woogie with me.

715
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,599
Hey Baby, I want a boogie boogie woogie woogie with me.

716
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,920
A week and boogie in the house. We can boogie

717
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,800
in they are. Come on, baby, it ain't very hard,

718
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:54,159
Hey babe, I want a boogie, a boogie woogie woogie

719
00:53:54,239 --> 00:54:04,519
with me. Hey baby, I want a boogie, a boogie

720
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,960
wogay ogay with me. Hey Baby, I want a boogie,

721
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:13,079
a boogie wogay woogie with me. Awaken, boogie in the

722
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:16,760
living room, boogie and the Dan. Come on, baby, let's

723
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,679
do it all again.

724
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:19,639
Speaker 9: Aye, baby, I want a.

725
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 12: Boogie, a boogie woogie wogay with me. Boogie woogie woogie

726
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,320
with me?

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00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: All right.

728
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:39,199
Speaker 1: Hartford's success on the Smothers brother series landed him and

729
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,880
offered a star in his own detective TV series. Now,

730
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,599
I don't know where you listened to Boogie with me

731
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,760
and say, hey, this guy would make a great TV.

732
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,239
But yo, that's just my opinion.

733
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 2: Whatever.

734
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,559
Speaker 8: However, he turned it down to move back.

735
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Speaker 1: To Nashville to further his music career, and he recorded

736
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,119
more albums and developed a stage show than went on

737
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:04,239
tour recorded several songs for the movie soundtrack of Brother

738
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,159
Where Art Thou, which resulted in another Grammy win. His

739
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,400
final tour was in April of two thousand, when he

740
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,239
found he had lost control of his hands due to

741
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:18,519
a prior diagnosis in the eighties of non Hodgkins lymphoma.

742
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,079
And he passed away on June fourth, two thousand and one,

743
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,639
at the age of sixty three, and he's buried in Nashville.

744
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,639
He has a star on the Saint Louis Walk of

745
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,920
Fame and a posthumous President's Award in September two thousand

746
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,639
and five. There was also an annual John Harford Memorial

747
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:39,480
Festival held in Southern Indiana from eleven to twenty nineteen

748
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,239
and again in twenty twenty two. Couldn't I thought, maybe

749
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,800
they broke, you know, they stopped due to COVID, But

750
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,960
I couldn't find anything to substantiate that. And just what

751
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,599
made me really happy was reading about like what a

752
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,159
free spirit he was and during his lifetime, once he

753
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,079
actually gained the financial independence that he saw it, he

754
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,559
was actually able to periodically return to the Mississippi River

755
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,320
and you know, use his piloting license except for fun

756
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,800
and give people rides and dance around with them. And

757
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,800
that just made me happy to know that he spent

758
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,519
a good part of his life doing that and he

759
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had the time to do that.

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Speaker 8: So that's it. That's what I got.

761
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:23,079
Speaker 1: And as soon as I heard this song, when I

762
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,920
was fine trying to find a song, I was like.

763
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, this is the one. All I can say

764
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,199
is wow.

765
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's the most unusual one so far. I

766
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,760
would say tonight, Yeah, we'll see what happens. But yup,

767
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,280
you're at the top of the list right now. Why

768
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,159
don't we take a second, real quick break and we

769
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,639
have two more and we'll see what happens after this.

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Hudson Riverradio dot com.

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Speaker 4: Hudson River Radio dot com.

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00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,079
Speaker 6: And welcome back, Neil. We're gonna turn it over to you.

773
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 5: What do you have for us? Well, I'm still I'm

774
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,800
still grooving on the Crusher and the boogie boogie song

775
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,880
there so, but the song I've chosen for today's topic

776
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,079
is called Sonic Reducer by the band The Dead Boys.

777
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,599
Now Sonic Reducer is considered a classic in the punk

778
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:27,360
rock genre. The Dead Boys were an American punk band

779
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,920
from Cleveland, Ohio, and were among the first wave of

780
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:35,280
punk bands in the late nineteen seventies. They were formed

781
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,079
in nineteen seventy five by vocalist Steve Baters, lead guitarist

782
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:46,800
Cheetah Chrome, rhythm guitarist Jimmy Zero, bassist Jeff Jeff Magnum,

783
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:52,320
and drummer Johnny blitz Now. The band moved to New

784
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,280
York City in July of nineteen seventy six on the

785
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,639
advice of Joey Ramone, and he quickly get a following

786
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:06,159
at places like CBGB's with their lude and profane live performances.

787
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,519
They are regarded as one of the most outrageous groups

788
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:15,159
of that era. Now. The song Sonic Producer was written

789
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:18,920
by Cheetah Chrome and David Thomas while they were both

790
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,280
in a pre Dead Boys band called Rocket from the

791
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,760
Tombs Now. Incidentally, David Thomas would go on to form

792
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,320
and front the band para Ubu for the next fifty years.

793
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,159
The song was recorded by The Dead Boys with lyrics

794
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,920
rewritten by singer Stive Baters, and it's the leadoff track

795
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:44,320
on their nineteen seventy seven debut album, Young Loud and Snotty.

796
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On Sire Records.

797
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Speaker 6: Boy Love It, Uh.

798
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 5: Young, Loud and Snotty because I Like to Say It

799
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:03,039
Again charted at number one on the Billboard two hundred

800
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,920
of that year, November nineteen seventy seven. Now, by the way,

801
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,880
that debut LP was produced by the legendary Gania Raven,

802
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,559
who was a member of one of the first all

803
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:20,280
female bands called Goldie and the Gingerbreads back in nineteen

804
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,119
sixty three, and she's currently a DJ on Little Stephen's

805
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:29,320
Underground Garage on Sirius XM. Okay, let's get down to it.

806
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,280
As far as the grunts and groans go, now, the

807
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,719
first one appears at about the one minute mark after

808
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,599
the first verse in chorus. At that point, singer Stiff

809
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:44,320
Baders sounds kind of like he's hacking up a hair ball.

810
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,519
Then right before the guitar solo, he lets out an

811
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:59,119
awesome scream and then sounds like he's vomiting, And then

812
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:02,280
right the end of the song, stay tuned for that

813
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,400
because that's where he really starts blowing chunks. Oh my God,

814
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:13,480
Sit back and enjoy if you can, Sonic by.

815
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,119
Speaker 9: The Dead Boys.

816
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,239
Speaker 18: I don't need that, it won't don't need no moment.

817
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,440
Dad don't need no food advice, don't need no realm

818
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:52,280
or nice. I've got some news to you don't even

819
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:53,159
need to do.

820
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 21: Yeah, I got a damn scene, got my noronic drive,

821
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:00,320
sonic soup.

822
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:05,599
Speaker 18: Ain't gonna lose out, you goma something put us out.

823
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:22,719
Ain't gonna lose up. Sure, big bull light on the streets.

824
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:27,199
They don't know I I watched.

825
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,679
Speaker 3: Them from my room and they are just passed it by.

826
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,679
Speaker 21: But I'm not, she said, A worm said, I'm not

827
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,719
just sad a walk that. I got my dumb machine,

828
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:41,719
got man that shonic train.

829
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 5: Sid produce up.

830
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:44,519
Speaker 9: Ain't no lose out.

831
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,599
Speaker 4: Goma something to do so, so, ain't nonna lose up.

832
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:29,679
Speaker 22: Don't be a favorite suit root from some drunk too,

833
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:35,239
thinks will be different there, the sun will last from here.

834
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 15: Let out be tepee time and yell be nothing at all.

835
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 21: Yeah, I got my down machine, I got my lept

836
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:47,679
tynish trish tn to do so.

837
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 4: I ain't known use up.

838
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: You gonna song to do so? I ain't known use out.

839
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,239
Speaker 18: I gonna song son.

840
01:02:59,119 --> 01:02:59,599
Speaker 1: To do so?

841
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 5: Did you catch him on d you hear? Did you

842
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:16,760
hear them all?

843
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 6: I think so? I don't think I got them all.

844
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 5: But well, I mean, I admit that Stive Bader's entire

845
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,400
vocal delivery sounds like he's having a Grandmall seizure anyway,

846
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:30,840
So it's kind of.

847
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: The style back then.

848
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 6: Well, of course, I don't know how you could do

849
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,440
a whole concert with that just shredding your throat and

850
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,360
then do it again the next day, and that sounds painful.

851
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, well somehow he pulled it off.

852
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:48,199
Speaker 6: Yeah.

853
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,519
Speaker 5: The Dead Boys released a second studio album called We

854
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:56,840
Have Come for Your Children a year later, in nineteen

855
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,079
seventy eight. Now, this one was produced by a man

856
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:03,000
named Felix Popallardi, and he had previously produced the LP

857
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:06,280
Wheels of Fire for Cream and also played bass in

858
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,880
the band Mountain. So kind of a weird combination there,

859
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:16,440
but good credentials. Yeah. Sonic Producer has been covered by

860
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,039
bands like Guns n' Roses and Pearl Jam, and was

861
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:22,440
sampled by the Beastie Boys on their song an Open

862
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:26,280
Letter to New York City, and it has appeared on

863
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:31,800
numerous punk rock compilation albums. Any compilation about punk rock

864
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:37,400
worth its salt, It's got Sonic Producer in it. The

865
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:41,800
album Young Loud and Snotty was ranked at number seven

866
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,800
on a Rolling Stone magazine reader's poll of the ten

867
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,840
greatest punk rock albums. Now. After the Dead Boys broke

868
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,639
up in nineteen seventy nine, Stiff Baters formed a band

869
01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:55,880
called Lords of the New Church in nineteen eighty one

870
01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:00,280
with the dam's original guitarist Brian James. Now you will

871
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,280
be more mainstream than the Dead Boys. They definitely had

872
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,559
more commercial success. Now. In nineteen nineties, Steve Baders died

873
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,119
in Paris, France from injuries sustained after having been hit

874
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:16,920
by a taxicab. Not believing that he was seriously injured,

875
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,760
he refused to go to the hospital, returned to his apartment,

876
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,639
and died in his sleep at age forty. Now now

877
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,480
I'm just going to go off script here a little bit. Now.

878
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,639
He was also known if you can believe it, to

879
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:37,360
take drugs like heroin. Really yeah, can you imagine?

880
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 6: No?

881
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,599
Speaker 5: I know, but one thing heroin apparently can do. I

882
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,760
wouldn't know. This is something I am not familiar with.

883
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:51,039
I have heard that it can cause like anemia, you know,

884
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:53,960
like that you can bleed out easily. So if he

885
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:55,840
had internal injuries.

886
01:05:57,199 --> 01:06:02,519
Speaker 6: And it's also a treats paind so somebody who was

887
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:06,039
completely sober would probably be in a whole lot more

888
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:06,880
pain than he was.

889
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:09,679
Speaker 5: But I've also heard that was the whole thing was

890
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,719
kind of like a cover. It was a straight up

891
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,880
od and they just said that the kind of I

892
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,719
don't know, it's too bad he's gone, and that you

893
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,280
know it's forty is no joke, no, now, believe.

894
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:23,239
Speaker 15: It or not.

895
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:28,119
Speaker 5: I go on record, I never saw the Dead Boys

896
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:32,239
perform in their prime. Now I've admitted I'll tell you

897
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,960
anyone I have seen, but i'll tell you when I

898
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:38,639
haven't seen them either. I never saw them live in

899
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,559
their in their heyday, so to speak. But back in

900
01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:46,920
two thousand and five, the surviving members reunited to play

901
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,599
a benefit show that tried to save CBGBs from closing.

902
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,559
Obviously that didn't work, but I was at that show

903
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,760
and they had Stiff's leather jacket hanging on the mic

904
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,920
stand out in front, and at one point they announced,

905
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,000
we're not the Dead Boys, we're what's left of the

906
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:08,920
Dead Boys, so they knew who the who the main

907
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:12,719
guy was. Now, I've also seen Cheetah Chrome play on

908
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,960
his own more in more recent times, like at Joey

909
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:19,320
Ramone's birthday bashes, and just a couple of years ago

910
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:22,840
with Mercedes, we saw him in New York City with

911
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:28,199
an obviously much younger band calling themselves the Dead Boys,

912
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:33,079
in which Cheetah was the only original member. And I'll

913
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,760
be you know, honest, I was personally kind of underwhelmed.

914
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,480
But whatever, that's what you get in two thousand and

915
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:46,559
twenty somethings. So there you have it. So that's my story.

916
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:49,679
Now go to a concert, agreed.

917
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that I'm not

918
01:07:54,679 --> 01:08:00,880
sure is true, but I'm pretty sure it's true. I

919
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,559
used to run the night club at f I T.

920
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,119
Fashion Institute Technology in Manhattan.

921
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,639
Speaker 8: And I hired them.

922
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, they played for us for.

923
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:13,639
Speaker 8: Me one night.

924
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 5: That's awesome.

925
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,399
Speaker 8: And then they went in.

926
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,359
Speaker 11: I showed them the dressing room. I had just gotten

927
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,159
T shirt a T shirt order in uh probably I

928
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,720
don't know, three five hundred dollars worth of T shirts,

929
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,960
probably three back then, but boxes and boxes of them.

930
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 8: They took them all.

931
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 5: That does not surprise me. I don't right, for some reason,

932
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:43,359
I'm not that.

933
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 11: I don't know how they got past everybody They're just like,

934
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:49,039
how do you walk out with these big boxes?

935
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 2: But they did?

936
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 5: What were they the T shirts of them? Or T

937
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:53,800
shirts for the club?

938
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:55,359
Speaker 8: The club's T shirts?

939
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,239
Speaker 5: Oh so my T shirts for yeah?

940
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 6: Yeah all right, So have you seen any of the

941
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T shirts since?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: No or something?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because if you could trace it back, you know,

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you may have some good stories there. Yeah, they have

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to be out there. There have to be a few left.

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Speaker 8: I mean there was a lot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow, yeah, all right, lesson learned. Don't leave anything

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you don't want stolen.

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Speaker 8: In a band stressing room, in a bands stressing.

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Speaker 6: Room, Yeah, a punk band stressing room. No, not a

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good idea.

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Speaker 5: If it ain't nailed down, it's it's going yeah.

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Speaker 6: All right, Well that's gonna be hard to top, so

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I'm not going to try. I'm going to just completely

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change direction. We're going to start with a Russian baritone

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singer named Edward Keel khi L, often anglicized to hill

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hi L. He was born in nineteen thirty four. His

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parents split up, and he wound up living with his mother.

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He was a young child in school at the start

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of World War Two. Keeping mind World War two started

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in Europe before the United States was involved, it was

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already underway. Edward was in school, supposedly kindergarten, and his

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school was bombed. He survived and he was evacuated with

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other students, but unfortunately that separated him from his mother.

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He wound up in a children's home with other displaced kids.

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They barely had enough to survive, but some of these

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children still found joy in performing and singing for injured

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,920
soldiers who were in makeshift hospitals nearby, so they made

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the most of what they had. When he was nine,

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he was finally reunited with his mother. He would then

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go to school to learn how to be a printer,

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and then at twenty one he started at the Leningrad

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Conservatory as a voice student. A vocal student. He graduated

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from there in nineteen sixty and at this point Russia

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was now part of the Soviet Union the USSR, which

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is why those of us of certain ages had to

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do those ridiculous air raid drills in school. If you remember,

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if you don't know what I'm talking about, you have

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to go stand in the hallway with your hands over

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your head, like this was going to stop the Russian invasion.

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The Soviet invasion so okay. So Edward did well in

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01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:28,399
operatic roles, but he became interested in popular music, and

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that is what made him a star in the Soviet Union.

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He won a bunch of awards and did well for himself.

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I don't know if he got a Peace Prize or not,

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but he got a bunch of music awards. In fact,

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the government set actually let him go out on tour

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and he toured over eighty countries around the world to

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help showcase Soviet talent, because that's what they did at

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the time. He was very good at connecting with audiences.

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He had a great sense of humor. He had a

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charm about him, a very distinctive voice, and he was

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always smiling. By the nineteen nineties, his popularity kind of

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01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:05,119
waned a little bit, but he was always working. For example,

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he moved to Paris and he sang in cabarets in

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you know the Paris area, so those type of venues.

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He never stopped working. Back when he was a student

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01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:18,159
in the conservatory, he got married to a fellow music

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01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:20,760
student and they were married for the rest of his life.

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They had one son, who was also a musician, and unfortunately,

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in twenty twelve he died of a stroke in Saint Petersburg.

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So set Edward aside for one second. We will come

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,560
back to him shortly now. There was a Russian composer

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named ar Katie Ostrowski who was born in nineteen fourteen.

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He died in nineteen sixty seven. He was known for

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writing what is termed lighter music, stuff like lullabies, children's songs,

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,960
adult songs with like a simpler melody, you know, like

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an acoustic guitar kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:57,039
Speaker 6: Lighter music doesn't mean easy or simple, it just means light,

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01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,359
lighter themes and that kind of stuff. He was working

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01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:03,319
on a tune that he titled I Am Very glad

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01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,920
as I am finally returning back home, which I'm hoping

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01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:10,840
is just much shorter in Russian because by the time

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you're done saying.

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Speaker 8: That you're home already not very catchy.

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01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,239
Speaker 6: No, no, I'm sure it sounds better in Russian, but

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01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:20,239
I really have no idea. The lyrics for the song

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were based on a poem about returning home to the

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01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:28,840
American West, stuff like wide open spaces, fresh air, mountain views,

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01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:31,560
trying to make the buffalo extinct, all that kind of

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01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,439
stuff that the American West was known for. Edward Keel

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was supposed to perform the song on Soviet television in

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,920
nineteen seventy six. Now this is where the story kind

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,000
of we're not really sure. There are three possible sets

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01:13:46,039 --> 01:13:48,439
of facts that may have happened at this point. I

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,039
think each of them has a bit of truth to them.

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01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:54,640
You tell me what you think. Number one, the Soviet

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,720
government said, don yet yet. Yet they would not allow

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01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,680
a happy song about the United States to be aired

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,159
because everybody in the United States is a bunch of

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01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:06,720
capitalist pigs and that was not going to happen. Remember,

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01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:10,119
everybody was bad mouthed on the other side. So Soviet

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01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:13,119
Union said, America is miserable and awful, and they were

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01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,560
not going to allow a happy song to be done

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01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:21,680
on TV propaganda. Uh huh, goes both ways. Number two

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01:14:22,039 --> 01:14:25,720
Edward himself had hinted in interviews that the lyrics were

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,960
kind of stupid and not fit to be published. Yet, which,

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01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:37,079
all right, given the title maybe yeah. Number Three. Ostrowski,

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01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:40,560
the composer got into an argument with the poet slash

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01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:45,079
lyricist about which is more important the music or the lyrics,

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01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,760
each of whom thought their part was more important, and

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01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,800
the argument got so heated that Ostrowsky basically told the

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,079
lyricists to take his lyrics and stick them where the

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01:14:55,119 --> 01:15:01,279
sun don't shine. Whichever version or combin of these three things,

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the result is that the piece was rewritten as a

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vocal lease, meaning that the melody stayed the same, but

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the lyrics were removed and were changed to nonsense syllables.

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So this vocalese version is what Edward Keel wound up

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01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:21,720
performing on TV in nineteen seventy six, and it was

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,640
a hit, so much so that Edward adopted the stage

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,319
name that was given to him by the audience, mister

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01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:34,680
Trollo low, based on the nonsense syllable low troll lo

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t r o l o l o. Mister trollo low,

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01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:40,439
he just as opposed to.

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Speaker 11: La la correct sound sounds better in German, I mean Russian?

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01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 5: Does it?

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 6: We'll go with that.

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,039
Speaker 5: Trilo la sounded to Americans.

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Speaker 6: It did. I think trollo lo capitalist peak. Now chances

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01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,000
are you've seen a clip of this performance because it

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started becoming viral in twenty ten when it was rediscovered

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01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,079
and put up on YouTube, and it was making the

1065
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,640
circuit around social media to the point where Stephen Colbert,

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01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,640
Jimmy Kimmel, and even Family Guy each did a spoof

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of this. Colbert loved it because this guy was just

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smiley and so full of joy, which I think is great.

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01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:23,920
So I'm gonna stop talking now and we are going

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01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,079
to listen to I am very glad as I am

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01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:31,079
finally returning back home now better known as Trollolo.

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Speaker 9: No no no no no no no no no did

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01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:27,119
oh holla no no no no no no no no

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01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:29,359
no no no no no no no no no no no.

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Speaker 4: No.

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01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,039
Speaker 6: And there you have it, Crambones. I turn it over

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01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:11,720
to you for your commentary.

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01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna this this picture that you sent of this

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01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:19,960
guy singing this song. I'm using this as your contact photo.

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01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,319
Speaker 5: I'll tell you I have no words, and apparently neither

1081
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:31,239
did he neither does the song.

1082
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:32,199
Speaker 3: So mm hmm.

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01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 8: It was kind of fun to hear once.

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01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,399
Speaker 6: It's a bit of a rock and roll move to

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,800
be like, I don't need your lyrics.

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01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:42,279
Speaker 3: To see what you get.

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01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 15: Now.

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01:19:44,039 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 5: I want to know did he sing it the same

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01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,760
way every time or did he just kind of make

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01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,600
it up as you went along.

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01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 6: That's a good question.

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01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 5: I don't know, and who.

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01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,520
Speaker 6: Would know generally a vocally something like that. It's written out,

1094
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,119
the syllables are actually written out, so it would be

1095
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:01,560
the same. But with him his background and pop music also,

1096
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,399
who knows, maybe.

1097
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 8: Roopies and roadies know.

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01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:09,039
Speaker 5: I know it was before the age of teleprompters, so

1099
01:20:09,159 --> 01:20:12,520
that that would be of no help, you know. Or

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01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,439
if you had it on the music stand, what would it?

1101
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,720
Saya la la la.

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01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's it. I have nothing more to add

1103
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,000
on that one. I don't think there is anything else

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01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:31,399
to add.

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01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,079
Speaker 5: Yeah there are.

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01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:41,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I hope I fulfill the assignment.

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01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:43,199
Speaker 4: Everybody.

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01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,319
Speaker 11: Everybody's pick was fabulous.

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01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 6: All right, So that means it's a good time to

1110
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,920
pull the plug right before things go further downhill. So

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01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:55,159
let's do that, all right. Everybody take your uh's with

1112
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:58,960
you on your way out the door. Mercedes, good topic

1113
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,439
that was. That was a lot of homework and I

1114
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:01,960
don't mind that.

1115
01:21:02,079 --> 01:21:03,199
Speaker 9: I liked that. That was good.

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01:21:04,359 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 6: Nice job to everybody, and thank you all for joining

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01:21:07,079 --> 01:21:08,760
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