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<v Speaker 2>Hey, hi, Hi, it's your buddy Alley Ward. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about dusty books and stuffed buffalo and relics that

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<v Speaker 2>would make Indiana Jones just randy. So. Museums are those

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<v Speaker 2>hollowed institutions that we use as marble tiled storage lockers

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<v Speaker 2>for history. In this week's episode, I sat down with

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<v Speaker 2>someone who gets to wear the gloves and just ignore

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<v Speaker 2>the velvet rope things and stick around after the crowds

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<v Speaker 2>filter out and keep watch for vintage ghosts. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about musiology, which is a word. But first I like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a creep and I read every review because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read is from someone calling himself Nick

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<v Speaker 2>the jagof Don't need to Know Why. Such a nice review.

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<v Speaker 2>You essentially said that I'm a wild mix between a

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<v Speaker 2>and a teacher can't get enough loves the podcast, and

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<v Speaker 2>then gave me two stars out of five. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was an accident, Nick the Jagoff, because your review

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<v Speaker 2>was so glowing and so nice. But I saw that

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<v Speaker 2>two out of five stars and was like just a

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<v Speaker 2>slip of the finger. But I enjoyed your words and

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy all of your reviews. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for leaving them. Okay, back to museums. So museum the

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<v Speaker 2>word comes into Greek for the muses. These were goddesses

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<v Speaker 2>who served to inspire poets. Zeus had nine daughters, all

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<v Speaker 2>muses of different things like poetry and astronomy and dance

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<v Speaker 2>at comedy tragedy. So nowadays our muses would be like

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<v Speaker 2>the muse of tweets and one for memes and amuse

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<v Speaker 2>for freestyle rap or photocropping or winged eyeliner, parallel parking

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<v Speaker 2>needs amuse. They're all arts. Now. This ologist has it's

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<v Speaker 2>been an Internet friend of mine for a few years.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we're homies. His instagram Museum Ranie is

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<v Speaker 2>filled with all kinds of magical antiquities, so I was

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<v Speaker 2>so excited to meet him in person. He's a museum

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<v Speaker 2>collections manager. He oversees twenty two museums for the California

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<v Speaker 2>Department of State Parks. Twenty two that's more museums and

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<v Speaker 2>I have friends. I drove to an industrial district outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Sacramento one winter's morning to this huge pristine warehouse.

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<v Speaker 2>It was filled to its metal gills with immaculate shelves

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<v Speaker 2>bearing the kind of treasures you'd find in an antique

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<v Speaker 2>mall if it were also in heaven and you were

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<v Speaker 2>dead and everything was perfect. He gave me a tour,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we pulled up seats in a conference room

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<v Speaker 2>and chatted about everything from recent fires and Sonoma threatening

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<v Speaker 2>his state park museums and evacuations, and his favorite museum

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<v Speaker 2>pieces ever, and what curators really think when you take

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<v Speaker 2>selfies in their exhibits. Also, there's information in here about

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<v Speaker 2>mummies and shrunken heads that changing attitude toward his story,

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<v Speaker 2>and hot dogs. He's great. Please ready your ears and

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<v Speaker 2>behold the precious wonder of musiologist Ronnie Klein.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've ever been interviewed ever. Really, this

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't work, you can trash it. I'm okay with.

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<v Speaker 2>It, Ronnie. I'm not going to trash this. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about the first museum that you went to. Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 3>I do. It was on a field trip. Okay, it

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<v Speaker 3>was in the Sacramento It was the California State Railroad Museum,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do remember kind of just being kind of

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I feel like we were free and

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<v Speaker 3>just running around like crazy kids, jumping through things and

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<v Speaker 3>exploring the museum. Ourselves, no guidance whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Where were the docents during this?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean sweet docents. They're very sweet, but sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 3>a little older than the children that are running around.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like any museum movies?

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<v Speaker 3>I realized that there are no good museum movies really

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<v Speaker 3>that I've seen. I even watched a movie this week

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<v Speaker 3>in anticipation for this question, thinking it was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a good museum movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you were doing your homework.

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<v Speaker 3>I was. It's called Bringing Bringing Home Baby, Bringing Back Baby,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's with Carry Grant, oh Audrey Hepburn, romantic comedy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, this is up my alley. It's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be great. And then it was just like it

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<v Speaker 3>was very frustrating. It has good reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>What museum did it take place in?

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<v Speaker 3>In a natural history museum? So car Grant was a

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<v Speaker 3>zoologist and he was putting well he was a zoologist,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was putting together a dinosaur. Well, so, but

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<v Speaker 3>any bake news?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, what about night at the Museum?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Okay, I mean you know, it's fine. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like researching. I was like, there has to be

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<v Speaker 3>a good museum. So I was asking other museum friends

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<v Speaker 3>and trying to find asking other curators, like, what do

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<v Speaker 3>you know of any museums that like feature a curator.

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<v Speaker 3>There has to be like some sort of movie where

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Hanks is a curator that's like sitting with his objects,

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<v Speaker 3>longing for Meg Ryan. But there was nothing at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't wonder Woman have like a day job as a

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<v Speaker 2>museum curator.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen a wonder Woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she might like work in a museum in

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<v Speaker 2>the daytime. Did a little googling and yes, wonder Woman

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<v Speaker 2>aka Diana Prince. Forgot she had another name. Is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to Moonlight or Daylight rather as an art historian. So

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<v Speaker 2>her office in the movie I went and looked, had

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<v Speaker 2>like ancient swords and a primate skull just hanging out

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<v Speaker 2>on her desk like a half eaten bagel. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>a microscope. It's kind of like my personal pinterest Wonderland,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remembered it was cool, but I had forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>that it was supposed to be at this little place

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<v Speaker 2>called the Louver. She's supposed to work at a louver.

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<v Speaker 2>Heard of it? Yeah, that part like slip Madome. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>and you know who else is on a Do you

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<v Speaker 2>ever see Scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm terri about watching things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a villain in Scandal who is like a secret operative,

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<v Speaker 2>but his cover day job is the curator of the Smithsonian,

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like Suy, You're the curator of the Smithsonian

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<v Speaker 2>in DC, Like you could never get away with having

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<v Speaker 2>a second life. So who handles popa pope's outlook inbox?

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<v Speaker 2>And like wonder Woman's voicemails? Do you know how much

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<v Speaker 2>work it is to be a curator of antiquities? Already?

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<v Speaker 2>You got staff meetings, so much insurance paperwork. Who has

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<v Speaker 2>time to be a spy or save the world. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. You're about to find out how much work

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I gotta calm down. When you go on vacation,

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<v Speaker 2>do you go to museums or you like enough? No?

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<v Speaker 3>I try to go to museums. Yeah, it's funny because

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<v Speaker 3>I mostly adventure around California, so I do working for

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<v Speaker 3>California State Parks. So state parks are kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>best and best of both worlds. You get museum and

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<v Speaker 3>you get hiking, so state parks kind of like bring

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<v Speaker 3>it all in, So I kind of stick to those.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me the difference between a national park, and

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<v Speaker 2>a state park and just a park park. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't know this.

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<v Speaker 3>No, So a national park is being their funds are

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<v Speaker 3>being cut by Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool. So there are fifty nine national parks in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States and they're overseen by the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>for better or for worse. But there are also over

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand state parks in the US and they're operated

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<v Speaker 2>by each individual state. Now, don't sleep on state parks, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they're super dope and underrated, so admission is cheaper.

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<v Speaker 2>They're usually less crowded. They have trails and campsites and

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<v Speaker 2>museums on them, like the twenty two museums that Ronnie

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<v Speaker 2>overseas dude knows museums. Do you have a favorite museum ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that a dick question to ask?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's an interesting question because I do. So.

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<v Speaker 3>I got into the museum profession a little bit late

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<v Speaker 3>in the game. I'm thirty seven now, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, but I'm one year into as a museum

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<v Speaker 3>collections manager. Okay, So, on my thirtieth birthday, I went

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<v Speaker 3>to Jack London stat Historic Park.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick pause for some much needed context on Jack London

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to want to know this. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>this until I just looked it up. And now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>low key obsessed with Jack London too. I guess like

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<v Speaker 2>not to step on Ronnie's personal brand, but dude, I

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<v Speaker 2>love Jack London. Now, Okay. So Jack London was born

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen seventies and he was one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>like celebrity writers to really make it big, like he

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<v Speaker 2>predated Hemingway and he had I realized stories in magazines

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<v Speaker 2>and he went on to write a grip of novels

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<v Speaker 2>like White Fang and Call of the Wild, and his

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<v Speaker 2>work usually involved nature and adventure. He was also a

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<v Speaker 2>war correspondent. He was an advocate for unionization and for

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<v Speaker 2>animal rights. He had this crazy life that involved his

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<v Speaker 2>mother surviving a suicide attempt via gun shot well pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>with him. Then he was raised by Virginia Prentiss, a

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<v Speaker 2>former slave, and at one point he became an oyster

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<v Speaker 2>pirate what and then went on to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>Alaskan gold Rush. He resided in the South Pacific on

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<v Speaker 2>a boat called the Snark. Dude could live, he could

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<v Speaker 2>also die early at the age of forty of kidney

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<v Speaker 2>disease or maybe maybe possibly morphine overdose from managing the

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<v Speaker 2>pain of it. So he died in his sleeping porch,

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<v Speaker 2>which I looked this up as a screened off breezy

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<v Speaker 2>area in his home in Glen Ellen, California, and on

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<v Speaker 2>the property he and his wife's ashes are under a

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<v Speaker 2>mossy rock you can go look at anyway. Ronnie is

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of Jack London and onward. When you hear

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<v Speaker 2>his name, feel free to take a large swig of

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<v Speaker 2>whatever beverage is in front of you to honor him.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you could do like a small dance with your

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<v Speaker 2>butt in your chair. I don't care, just celebrate. So

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<v Speaker 2>before Ronnie started working in museums, he visited this Sonoma Valley,

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<v Speaker 2>Glen Ellen property on his thirtieth birthday just for funzies.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I always really love Jack London. Wanted to go

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<v Speaker 3>see that museum, and you like, it's a house museum

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<v Speaker 3>on one end and it's a regular museum on another.

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<v Speaker 3>So his house museum is my favorite because you get

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<v Speaker 3>to walk through the halls that he lived in, You

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<v Speaker 3>get to see the study that he wrote, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>all of his books in and see where you there's

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<v Speaker 3>a room where he died in No. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fast forward seven years later and I'm the collections manager

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<v Speaker 3>of that museum.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I have.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing, it's really cool. So I look back, like

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<v Speaker 2>So what does it mean to be a musicologist? And

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<v Speaker 2>is it it's a musicologist and not a museumologist.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. It's interesting In America people say museum studies instead

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<v Speaker 3>of musiology. In Europe, musicology is more popular. But it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like we're bringing it back, musicology back, bringing it

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<v Speaker 3>back to America. It's kind of an old timey term, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, hell yeah, we're bringing it back. Yeah, with

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<v Speaker 2>this particular episode.

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<v Speaker 3>If I well, and I think that, you know right now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's weird. I think about museums in a different way

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<v Speaker 3>today than I did maybe two years ago. I think museums,

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<v Speaker 3>in my mind, have become more important socially than they

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<v Speaker 3>have the war two years ago. And I think it

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<v Speaker 3>is a musicologist like responsibility to take care of collections.

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<v Speaker 3>But you could be someone that writes exhibit panels, creates exhibits,

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<v Speaker 3>it be a space that everyone is welcome. Especially if

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<v Speaker 3>you're a public museum, that should mean that everyone in

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<v Speaker 3>the public is welcome, no matter who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to be a savant about lanterns to

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<v Speaker 3>Not at all. That's the thing that I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a misconception which I would love to start changing, is

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<v Speaker 3>that anybody should go to every museum to learn something.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't have to be an aficionado of the topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go to museum and you might pick up some inspiration,

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<v Speaker 2>or you might pick up even one fact is worth it.

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<v Speaker 3>Nowadays with technology and the Internet or whatever, you can

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<v Speaker 3>just go in Wikipedia and read about anything. So like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a goal behicle for every museum to

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<v Speaker 3>supply information and an experience that you can't pick up

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<v Speaker 3>from Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about people who go through museums

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<v Speaker 2>and photograph all the artifacts. Do you think it's good

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<v Speaker 2>that they have a picture of it, or are you like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that people were a little bit more in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. Then again, you have pictures from Jack London

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<v Speaker 2>that you're glad that you have. But how do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel about the intersection between people's personal technology and these

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<v Speaker 3>I love it, and I think that's hopefully that's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the younger musiologists. I feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>I think. I mean my Instagram, I'm constantly taking pictures

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<v Speaker 3>of things I'm doing in my museum and sharing them

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<v Speaker 3>and video and putting them in music, And because I

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<v Speaker 3>think that you just you want to share the experience

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<v Speaker 3>with everyone, especially like if you take a picture at

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<v Speaker 3>Hurst Castle, for example, nothing beats being there and seeing

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<v Speaker 3>the image, you know, going to Hurst Castle, walking through

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<v Speaker 3>the halls, smelling the smells, you know. So yeah, just

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<v Speaker 3>sharing the image just hopefully excites people to want to

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<v Speaker 3>come to the museum.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me a little bit about museology. What's the educational structure, like,

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<v Speaker 2>like do you study in a classroom about museums? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you go to museums and a lectures like here's how

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<v Speaker 2>this has been curated?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the museum world is very I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like it's a very It's almost sometimes like a

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<v Speaker 3>secret society. It's hard to get into. But so I major.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a major in history. But while I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to college, I spent four years working as a

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<v Speaker 3>student archivist at California and State Park's photographic Archives, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's where I was introduced to the California State Parks

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<v Speaker 3>Museum World.

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<v Speaker 2>So from there he graduated in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>But the recession hit and he thought, oh, maybe he

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I was going to do, something

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<v Speaker 3>in history, So I ended up leaving and starting a

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<v Speaker 3>hot dog art and onea very So I had it

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<v Speaker 3>on my bucket list to have a hot dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Cart, and I already love you.

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<v Speaker 3>When the recession hit, I was like, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>now is a better time than any just have a

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<v Speaker 3>hot dog cart. So I ended up having a hot

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<v Speaker 3>dog cart on a corner street of downtown Sacramento for

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<v Speaker 3>two years. What was it called State Bear Sausage and Dogs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I secretly made my own sausages in my home and

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<v Speaker 3>sold them there illegally, which was a hit. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>amazing and I had five out of five stars on YELP.

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<v Speaker 2>When I left, I looked it up and this hot

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<v Speaker 2>dog cart was legit, like he served wild boar sausage

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<v Speaker 2>and he had a Mediterranean dog with feta and cucumbers.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a photo I found of a b aproned Ronnie

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<v Speaker 2>This is all smiles with a colorful umbrella in the

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<v Speaker 2>background on a corner in Sacramento. He's holding up a

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<v Speaker 3>But so anyway, so I did that for two years

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<v Speaker 3>and then I realized do I want to be doing

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<v Speaker 3>this when I'm fifty? And I thought, ah, now, what

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<v Speaker 3>do I really want to be doing? And it was

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<v Speaker 3>working in museums.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was that epiphany? Like, was there a moment

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<v Speaker 2>where you were like, you were like stuffing a sausage

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<v Speaker 2>casing with a ski mask on because it's illegal and

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, no, I can't do this, or were

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<v Speaker 2>you more inspired by something in a museum, Like what

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<v Speaker 2>was that moment where you're like.

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<v Speaker 3>So, okay. So I strategically placed my hot dog cart

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<v Speaker 3>on the corner of the headquarters for California State Parks

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<v Speaker 3>in downtown Sacramento, and so I would always have connections

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<v Speaker 3>with state parks people that I used to work with

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<v Speaker 3>or even new people, and so I would always have

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<v Speaker 3>that connection.

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<v Speaker 2>How fucking genius is this?

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<v Speaker 3>And the more and more I saw those people, the

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<v Speaker 3>more and more I realized that I really belonged working

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<v Speaker 3>for a California and state parks. That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So you'd you'd like sling sausage and then you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>these are my people? Definitely, Yeah, totally, that is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you put your you put your hot dog cart

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<v Speaker 2>there on purpose? Because you liked to state parks?

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<v Speaker 3>There was there were corners to choose from, and I

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<v Speaker 3>knew that was the corner. I scoped it out. I

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<v Speaker 3>knew that that was the corner. If I had the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 3>that's where I would be, And that's where I was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the wind. It's the windiest corner in Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's you would not believe how wendy it is,

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<v Speaker 3>and you would not believe how much wind affects a

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<v Speaker 3>hot dog cart that goes off of propane gas. Really

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<v Speaker 3>very wendy, very upsetting, but it was worth it. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it. I mean I would probably never do

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<v Speaker 3>it again, but there was a bucket listening and it

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<v Speaker 3>was amazing. I owned a hot dog cart.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, did you ever read Confederacy of Dunces. No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>about hot dog carts, really New Orleans. It's fascinating and

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<v Speaker 2>it's infuriating and it gives you so many emotions. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely about like hashtag hot dog cart life. So

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<v Speaker 2>side note, this book's backstory is as fascinating as its

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<v Speaker 2>actual plot. So rejected by publishers. The author of Confederacy

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<v Speaker 2>of Dunces, John Kennedy Toole, tragically committed suicide at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of thirty one. And I'm sorry, that's two mentions

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<v Speaker 2>in one episode. That's the last one, I promise. So,

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<v Speaker 2>his mother, Thelma, found this shabby, smeared carbon copy of

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<v Speaker 2>the manuscript atop a cedar armoire after his death, and

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<v Speaker 2>sent it around and around and around. She was rejected

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<v Speaker 2>over and over until she badgered one publisher so much

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<v Speaker 2>that he relented. He promised to read it. He was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can reject it, and he did. He was like

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<v Speaker 2>oh dang, this is really good. So it was published

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<v Speaker 2>eleven years after Toole's death. The title of the book

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<v Speaker 2>is based on a line from a Jonathan Swift essay

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<v Speaker 2>that reads, quote, when a true genius appears in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>you may know him by this sign that the Dunces

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<v Speaker 2>are all in a confederacy against him. Confederacy of Dunces

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<v Speaker 2>went on to win a Pulitzer. So that thing you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, just go do it, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's good, don't give up. Keep doing it. I

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<v Speaker 2>own the prize. Like Ronnie and museums, When you decided

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<v Speaker 2>to go into museology, did you have to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to school for it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? I didn't because while I was a student assistant,

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<v Speaker 3>I was working with people that became curators for California

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<v Speaker 3>State Parks. Since I knew where I wanted to work,

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<v Speaker 3>what I did was I went back and I volunteered

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<v Speaker 3>for free and kind of apprenticed under people. I helped

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<v Speaker 3>clean paintings that were taken out of different historic buildings

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<v Speaker 3>and help take mold off of different leathered good leather objects.

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<v Speaker 3>Briefcases and what do doctors bags?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you use to clean paintings? And I have

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<v Speaker 2>a question and confession for you. This was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of my secrets at the end of the episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just going to ask you right now. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>forgive me if you've heard the story. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>in a museum in Santa Barbara and I had to

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<v Speaker 2>write a paper. It was for an art class, art

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<v Speaker 2>history class, and I was taking notes on a Dutch

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<v Speaker 2>portrait from the sixteen hundred. It's beautifully done and I

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<v Speaker 2>was up close to it. And at the time I

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<v Speaker 2>used to wear my watch on my right hand. I

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<v Speaker 2>now wear it on my left, even though I'm right handed.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know I was goth. It was like I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was counterculture to wear it on the wrong hand.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it was a mistake. I had a pen in

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<v Speaker 2>my hand taking notes at an overcoat on because it

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<v Speaker 2>was raining, and I stretched my hand up to check

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<v Speaker 2>I heard this zrush and ballpoint pen across the face

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<v Speaker 2>of a Dutch painting from the sixteen hundreds. I panicked.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the worst moment of my life, the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking, what am I gonna do? What

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<v Speaker 2>am I going to do, Like, I'm screwed. This thing

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<v Speaker 2>is worth like a million dollars. My I'm broke. My

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<v Speaker 2>parents can do not have the money to help with

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<v Speaker 2>this at all. Like I was borrowing money to my books,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the most dishonest thing I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>I just left. I left the museum. I couldn't handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so afraid. And someone from the same class

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<v Speaker 2>is like, hey, did you that pen mark? And I

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<v Speaker 2>until years later. But how screwed was that painting?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you tell? For one? Like? Who would you tell?

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<v Speaker 3>I would run? I would run really fast. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know who I would tell. No, I mean, geez, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, if if I tell someone, then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they'll arrest me. But either way, they're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to clean it or they're gonna have to throw this

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<v Speaker 2>paint in the garbage. But it was just like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a it was a moral quandary, unlike any I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever been in. What can they do?

419
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<v Speaker 3>They take it to a conservator?

420
00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, side note, I didn't know what a conservator was

421
00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:40.440
<v Speaker 2>during the interview, but I just looked it up, and

422
00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a person who helps restore shit that gets messed

423
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<v Speaker 2>up in museums, so boom, there is a person for that, and.

424
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<v Speaker 3>Then the conservator gives it back to them. Okay, and

425
00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:55.200
<v Speaker 3>it looks like it's never been touched by at before.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Oh so many years years.

427
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<v Speaker 3>No one will no, I mean, you know you did

428
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.680
<v Speaker 3>ruin it. It will be roomed forever. At the at

429
00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:08.000
<v Speaker 3>the heart of the matter, the painting is ruined. It's

430
00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:11.759
<v Speaker 3>never going to be the same. The original artwork is ruined.

431
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:14.440
<v Speaker 3>But to the public it looks the same.

432
00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh is it really ruined?

433
00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:17.519
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not the same.

434
00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:20.160
<v Speaker 2>They just to paint over it or do they clean

435
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:20.799
<v Speaker 2>the ink off?

436
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.000
<v Speaker 3>I am not a conservator, but I would hope that

437
00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.599
<v Speaker 3>they can remove the ink somehow, you know, like distilled water.

438
00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Water and distilled water and a Q tip does amazing

439
00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:32.079
<v Speaker 3>things with patients.

440
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<v Speaker 2>Go okay. You know, there was a video that was

441
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.359
<v Speaker 2>going around the internet recently about a painting that was

442
00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:41.079
<v Speaker 2>being cleaned and they were taking off years of varnish

443
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.079
<v Speaker 2>and it had yellowed and it had a really cepia

444
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.039
<v Speaker 2>color and underneath the painting was very like vibrant and

445
00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.240
<v Speaker 2>had a lot more, you know, had cooler tones. Is

446
00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:50.880
<v Speaker 2>that real when they take it?

447
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.559
<v Speaker 3>When they really it's amazing in dresses like I've seen

448
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.000
<v Speaker 3>videos of dresses where they like just submerge these dresses

449
00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:58.880
<v Speaker 3>that kind of have a yellow tinge to them and

450
00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.559
<v Speaker 3>then they bring them on their beauty white. So and

451
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:04.720
<v Speaker 3>what we think of like how things looked back in

452
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 3>two hundred years ago, because we do have a varnish

453
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.119
<v Speaker 3>over everything. Yeah, but no, everything was bright.

454
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.319
<v Speaker 2>I know we have such a cpa memory very much.

455
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<v Speaker 2>So do you have a favorite artifact or one that

456
00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.759
<v Speaker 2>you just every time you see it or think about it,

457
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.200
<v Speaker 2>you just go, that's so cool.

458
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:23.920
<v Speaker 3>There's quite a few. I mean, like I said about

459
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<v Speaker 3>Jack London that does have a special place in my heart.

460
00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:32.640
<v Speaker 3>And his wife Charman is starting to have takeover my

461
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.000
<v Speaker 3>love for his stuff. I'm starting to love her stuff

462
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:38.039
<v Speaker 3>more and more the more I know about her. So

463
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<v Speaker 3>anything that she had. There's a holster that she had

464
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:46.160
<v Speaker 3>and she wore during their trips to the Pacific Islands,

465
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 3>which was amazing. There was there's a photograph of her

466
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:54.000
<v Speaker 3>in the hulster which I think it was Cosmopolitan magazine.

467
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 3>I cannot remember yea back in the old days, like

468
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:01.559
<v Speaker 3>in the early nineteen hundreds, wouldn't published the photograph because

469
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.359
<v Speaker 3>it showed a woman wearing a holster, so it was

470
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<v Speaker 3>very like risque.

471
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 2>But they probably had a whole article on like four

472
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 2>chain ways to tickle his his bottom so he loves

473
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:12.119
<v Speaker 2>you exactly.

474
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally. And she was very progressive like an equestrian.

475
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:20.240
<v Speaker 3>She was like very adamant to not ride side saddle,

476
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 3>and she even like altered her dresses and like she

477
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 3>was the first person to start altering her dresses so

478
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:28.440
<v Speaker 3>she can ride normal, like not ride side saddle.

479
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 2>What a bam.

480
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:34.599
<v Speaker 3>She's really awesome. Yeah, and when after Jack London passed away,

481
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 3>then she had like all of these like fun affairs

482
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:40.279
<v Speaker 3>with like Harry Houdini and.

483
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Hell whoa exactly time machine party with her?

484
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah totally. Charm was her charmian.

485
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Charmian.

486
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

487
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:55.720
<v Speaker 2>She was Jack's second wife and was five years his senior. Scandaled, gasp,

488
00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>smelling salts, fainting couch. She was also a new woman

489
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>in which was the old timey late eighteen hundreds term

490
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>for feminist. I'm going to rename myself charmian.

491
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.640
<v Speaker 3>She feel her life I do I do. Yeah, so

492
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.240
<v Speaker 3>anything of hers you can still go to her powder

493
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:15.279
<v Speaker 3>room and there's like a secret entry and a secret

494
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 3>spiral staircase that is like it goes into her powder room.

495
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:19.440
<v Speaker 3>It's really neat.

496
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, can the public access.

497
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 3>That they cannot and they don't know where it's at?

498
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Okay, So this brings me to a

499
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>question that I feel like I didn't know until I

500
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 2>started working with the Natural History Museum. But what you

501
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.279
<v Speaker 2>see on display and in these like acrylic cases and

502
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>with these placards that say what it is is a

503
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>fraction of what a museum actually has in collections. We

504
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 2>just toured a warehouse full of stuff that I like

505
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 2>was boggled by, Like everything for bascinet or bassinets? Is

506
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 2>that a basinet?

507
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 3>Is that?

508
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>What do you?

509
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there were bast nets there.

510
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to lanterns, to wagons and stuff like why how

511
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 2>do you choose what goes on display versus what stays

512
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.079
<v Speaker 2>in these collections that are off limits.

513
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 3>It's a very interesting selection. Well, where we toured today,

514
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 3>like we walked past probably one aisle that we walked

515
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 3>through had I don't know, two hundred more or more lanterns.

516
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 3>So you know, unless you're a lantern museum, you really

517
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.519
<v Speaker 3>can't display two hundred or more lanterns. But we do

518
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.400
<v Speaker 3>keep them because people donate them, and we don't want

519
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.920
<v Speaker 3>to turn down donations. Researchers are more than welcome to come.

520
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 3>And I think it's like this pretty much with most

521
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 3>museums that if you're a researcher, or if you're just

522
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.319
<v Speaker 3>someone that's researching your family history, you don't have to

523
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.160
<v Speaker 3>be like a professional researcher. You can just be a

524
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 3>new bit that's interested in something just as long as

525
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 3>you search it out. I would have more than happy

526
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.720
<v Speaker 3>to open my doors and show you. But then also

527
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 3>there's also rotating exhibits too, and I think those I

528
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 3>want to do more of those in my museums where

529
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 3>because I don't just have one museum. It's a very

530
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 3>unique experience that I'm working in where I manage the

531
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 3>collections of over thirty thousand items in twenty two different parks.

532
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 3>What so we can't get to them all unfortunately, Like

533
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 3>it's very hard to get to most of them, but

534
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.640
<v Speaker 3>most of them are collected in like a lump of

535
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 3>five different locations.

536
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's so many items. Wait, twenty two different parks,

537
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand items. Yeah, do you how do you keep

538
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>a records or spreadsheet?

539
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's multiple spreadshee. We use what's called the TMS,

540
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.920
<v Speaker 3>the Museum System Database, okay, and many museums use it.

541
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 3>The Smithsonian uses it. We are opening it up so

542
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.759
<v Speaker 3>that the public can go on if they want to

543
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.119
<v Speaker 3>research lanterns, or if they want to research anything really

544
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 3>fimbles or wigs or dairy containers. We have them so

545
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 3>you can just find them and then you can come

546
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.039
<v Speaker 3>and look up all your dairy containers and you'd be

547
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, what is your house?

548
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Like?

549
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Are you very organized? Are you do you like nick knackery?

550
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Or do you are you very clutter free?

551
00:28:59.319 --> 00:28:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Like?

552
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>How is being a musiologist changed the way you live?

553
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 3>That is a good question. My house is orderly until

554
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 3>you get into the very back room, like it's you know,

555
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 3>some people have like a junk drawer. I I wouldn't

556
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:14.839
<v Speaker 3>say in the backroom is a junk room, but it's

557
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 3>just a room at the end of the day where

558
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.160
<v Speaker 3>you like open the door up and throw something and

559
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.759
<v Speaker 3>close it really quick. But other than that, I do

560
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 3>like older paintings or even if it's like a painting

561
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 3>that a husband made of his wife in the nineteen

562
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 3>fifties that I found in a thrift store, Like, I

563
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 3>appreciate that, and I'll maybe purchase that and put it

564
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 3>up in my house.

565
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 2>What was it like getting the job of being a

566
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>curator of all this? Like? What was the interview process like?

567
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>And how did you know you were qualified for it?

568
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.480
<v Speaker 2>And what happened when they said you have the job?

569
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh? So okay. This is the very unique situation to

570
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 3>the California State Parks, which I encourage a lot of

571
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.680
<v Speaker 3>people who are interested in the field to look into

572
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of people miss it and it's a

573
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:01.200
<v Speaker 3>really great opportunity. So what I did was and gain

574
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 3>all this experience. I had four years of experience as

575
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:08.400
<v Speaker 3>a student assistant, and then I also apprenticed for a while,

576
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 3>and so an exam opened up.

577
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So to get a job with the state park system,

578
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 2>you don't just interview and like charm your way into

579
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>a ranger sat. You have to take an exam first

580
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.079
<v Speaker 2>before they will even sit down with you, no matter

581
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.599
<v Speaker 2>how much they liked your hot dog cart.

582
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 3>And you have to qualify within the top three rankings

583
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 3>to be reachable to be to have an interview for

584
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.359
<v Speaker 3>the job. So thank god. Yeah. So it was very

585
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 3>intense and I took the exam. I ranked one, which

586
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 3>is amazing. I was very happy about that. And then

587
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 3>and then once you take the exam, you have to

588
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 3>wait for a job to open up. Oh my god,

589
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 3>so a job did open up?

590
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Did you kill someone?

591
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 3>No? But I I you know, the job that opened

592
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 3>up was an hour and a half drive away from

593
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:56.400
<v Speaker 3>my house.

594
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>That's as laborious as as doing a hit on someone.

595
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally, but you know, I don't mind. It's very

596
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.240
<v Speaker 3>peaceful drive. But so I live in Sacramento in the

597
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 3>job that opened up was in Sonoma, and it was

598
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 3>also my dream job because it involved Jack London status

599
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 3>dorg Park. So I applied for the job and then

600
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.119
<v Speaker 3>I got it. That's how it works.

601
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 2>How did they tell you that you got it? Did

602
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 2>they send over like a carrier pigeon or did they

603
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 2>do something with antiquity to like send you a telegram?

604
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 3>And I just heard my my boss get the call,

605
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, the call, the reference check call. Oh my god,

606
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:36.640
<v Speaker 3>it was amazing. I was another at my desk and

607
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 3>I just heard her like, oh, so good.

608
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Was she sad to lose you though?

609
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? She I think she hung up with the phone

610
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.880
<v Speaker 3>and said, damn it, Ronnie, Oh my gosh.

611
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Did you celebrate?

612
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh? It was amazing.

613
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what'd you do?

614
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Did I? Actually, cell, I'm sure I just probably went

615
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 3>for like unlimited sushi. Yeah, that's my celebration.

616
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 2>That's so dope. So what is your day like? Like

617
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>day to day? Do you come in like see like

618
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 2>if anything's been missing or broken or needs it tending

619
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to or like, you know, you're up in Sonoma. I

620
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>know that we had this scheduled for last month around Thanksgiving,

621
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.039
<v Speaker 2>but Sonoma was going through some of the worst wildfires

622
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>in state history.

623
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so my day to day schedule for since then,

624
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 3>since October has been kind of not day to day schedule.

625
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Like we did evacuate. We were able to we have

626
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.559
<v Speaker 3>an emergency evacuation plan. The fires were coming, it was

627
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 3>very intense, and we were able to evacuate all of

628
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 3>the threatened areas, which included six moving trucks of objects

629
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, and we brought them to the facility

630
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 3>we're at today, which you know, as you can see,

631
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.240
<v Speaker 3>this place is huge. So it was able to house

632
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<v Speaker 3>all of those artifacts and all of those objects, so

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<v Speaker 3>we were able to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you pick though, I mean you can't move,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't move several different homes worth of artifacts, Like

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<v Speaker 2>how do you pick what to take? It's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like that horrible thing, like if you had to evacuate

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<v Speaker 2>your house in a fire, what would you take? And

639
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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I'm a stuff by stuffed animal, but that

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<v Speaker 2>but with like priceless artifacts in many locations.

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<v Speaker 3>So the curator that I work with, who's been there

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<v Speaker 3>for thirty years, she devised a disaster preparedness plan and

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<v Speaker 3>which included a laminated sheet of objects to take first

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<v Speaker 3>in the emergency, any kind of emergency. So we just

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<v Speaker 3>grabbed those laminated sheets and then we started evacuating those immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>We had more volunteers than we knew what to do with,

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<v Speaker 3>so before we knew it, we got everything that was

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<v Speaker 3>on the list out and so we just then then

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<v Speaker 3>what So then we just started to evacuating everything, and

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<v Speaker 3>we did get out everything which was to.

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<v Speaker 2>What like down to the rugs and.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff or down to the rugs down to boxes of books.

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<v Speaker 3>So we did a great job. It was really cool

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<v Speaker 3>and things thankful to. I'm very thankful to her because

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<v Speaker 3>she had it all planned out, so it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what's the process of moving that stuff back in?

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<v Speaker 2>And none of the structures burned down.

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<v Speaker 3>None of the structures burned down. We actually were thermal gelling,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like spraying this big hose full of jello

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<v Speaker 3>over all all of the houses, the historic houses and

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<v Speaker 3>structures too. If the fire came, then it would like

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<v Speaker 3>not burn them. So we did that. The fire didn't

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<v Speaker 3>come and we had to remove all that, but we

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<v Speaker 3>were able to get everything here and then the process

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<v Speaker 3>of moving it back has been that's what's taken so long.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it took like one day to get everything out,

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<v Speaker 3>two days to get everything out, but it takes months

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<v Speaker 3>to actually organize it and put it all back in.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything else that you're discovering and moving out, Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize we had this comb that was fallen

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<v Speaker 2>under a floorboard.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>No cool discoveries. You know when you move you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I forgot I had this bracelet.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one thing that has been pretty cool is we're

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<v Speaker 3>going we've had time to go through the diaries of

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<v Speaker 3>day to day occur at the museums from the eighties OAU.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know when do you have time to go

679
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<v Speaker 3>through these? So we were just flipping through a book

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<v Speaker 3>and at one time in the eighties, California State Parks

681
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<v Speaker 3>had a wine tasting bar set up in a museum,

682
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<v Speaker 3>which is not allowed now. So now I'm thinking we

683
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<v Speaker 3>need to bring back wine tasting bars.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't do it in like a historically preserved area

685
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<v Speaker 2>with yeah next time and hair gel and yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing, Like when I worked at the Photographic Archives

687
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.760
<v Speaker 3>as a student assistant, going through photographs of like the

688
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties of curators smoking and drinking or well mostly

689
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.039
<v Speaker 3>smoking over like historic artifacts. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder about that sometimes, like how much damage

691
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<v Speaker 2>was done to artifacts just from people smoking indoors totally?

692
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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, like all the yellowing and stuff. You're like,

693
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<v Speaker 2>how much of that is just like Winston Salem's.

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<v Speaker 3>Well even like archaeologist. I was talking to an archaeologist

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<v Speaker 3>the other day and he's been doing it for forty years,

696
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<v Speaker 3>and he said that, you know, back in the early days,

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<v Speaker 3>they would take the darn of different animals and just

698
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<v Speaker 3>throw it at each other for fun. But now you

699
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<v Speaker 3>can find out so much information. You know, things that

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<v Speaker 3>you didn't know back then from.

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<v Speaker 2>There's this one archaeologist on Twitter I follow that I

702
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<v Speaker 2>want to get. She's a bioarchaeologist and she digs through

703
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<v Speaker 2>old toilets and like some graves to figure out things

704
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<v Speaker 2>about people. And I'm like, oh my god, I got

705
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 2>her own. I'm looking at you. Bioarchaeologist slash osteologist Steph

706
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>ham Haffer aka Bones Underscore Canada on Twitter. Yeah, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between a musiologist and an archaeologist.

708
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<v Speaker 3>Well, a musiologist is just focuses on the museum itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Archaeologists are more out in the field working. They have

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<v Speaker 3>more of a science background, and some musiologists have a

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<v Speaker 3>focus on the care and collection of objects, integrated pest

712
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.000
<v Speaker 3>management systems to monitor the objects make sure they're doing okay.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of the worst things about my job is

714
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<v Speaker 3>that you have to kill so many insects, Like I'm

715
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<v Speaker 3>setting up pheromone traps for moths. Oh and you know,

716
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 3>but it has to be done. I think in one

717
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<v Speaker 3>of your previous episodes, like someone said, like bugs are

718
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<v Speaker 3>the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the ornithologist who had been held up a

720
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<v Speaker 2>gunpoint on the job. So the worst thing about his

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<v Speaker 2>job was carpet beetles.

722
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, carpet beetles. A terrible cigarette beetles, carpet beeles. The

723
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<v Speaker 3>beetles have fun names too within the museum community.

724
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<v Speaker 2>What do they call them?

725
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, just like cigarette beetles, cigarette beetles.

726
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<v Speaker 2>So you have to set up pheromone traps where they're

727
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>like ooh, smells like ladies, and then they hop in

728
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<v Speaker 2>there and they're like.

729
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<v Speaker 3>Dah, yeah, exactly. It's kind of sad too. But you know,

730
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<v Speaker 3>you take these special pheromone capsules and you put them

731
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<v Speaker 3>in the sticky traps and can.

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<v Speaker 2>You smell anything? No, okay you don't have long enough antenna,

733
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<v Speaker 2>I guess not. They can smell like a molecule of

734
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<v Speaker 2>a pheromone for miles away. Moths are amaze there. They

735
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<v Speaker 2>can detect it with their antenna. Let's talk about moth horniness.

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<v Speaker 2>So a female moth releases one billionth of a gram

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<v Speaker 2>of pheromone to signal like a tiny winged Tiffany Hattish

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<v Speaker 2>and researchers have reported that a male Indian luna moth

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<v Speaker 2>can locate a female six point five miles eleven kilometers away.

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<v Speaker 2>They are like, let's get this on. So pheromone traps

741
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<v Speaker 2>are like getting messaged by a bot and then the

742
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<v Speaker 2>bot kills you. Do you want to do some rapid fire?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now you've listened to the podcast before. We got

745
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<v Speaker 2>so many questions on Patreon, and I think you're a patron.

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<v Speaker 2>I think did you do that so that you could cheat?

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<v Speaker 2>And look at the questions first.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty fifty I did just support you and so also

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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm getting into.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. Okay, But before we take questions from you,

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<v Speaker 2>our beloved listeners, we're going to take a quick break

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, your questions these are patrons have asked Colin mccarvill

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<v Speaker 2>wants to know how do you feel museums have evolved

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<v Speaker 2>and how do you think they're going to change in

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<v Speaker 2>the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, museums in America, for one, have we're set up

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<v Speaker 3>by rich white men to promote rich white men, so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, go fast forwarding to modern day. They're evolving

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<v Speaker 3>because I think museums need to interpret not what the

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<v Speaker 3>rich white men's perspective is, but what the person of

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<v Speaker 3>that time, the average person or the person like everyone's perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>including the rich white men's perspective, but also including the

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<v Speaker 3>poor person that maybe isn't white's perspective. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's where museums right now are changing. And even in California,

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<v Speaker 3>the school curriculum is changing with it as well, which

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be pretty amazing in the next five years,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to see the change. So when you walk

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<v Speaker 3>into maybe a museum that like as a mission, it

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<v Speaker 3>talks more about the Native American life, not as someone

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<v Speaker 3>that was saved by the mission, but someone that was

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<v Speaker 3>you know, their against their will. So it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be pretty exciting, you know, exciting to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>expand that education.

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<v Speaker 2>So the narrative is getting more objective than it has

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<v Speaker 2>been in the past. So his his story is not.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about that last night, like I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>sleep last night, and the word his story, it just

796
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<v Speaker 3>kept coming back to me, and I'm like, God, damn it.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish we could change the name of history. Just

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<v Speaker 3>how do we change it? And I was just going

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<v Speaker 3>through my head and I was like our story, their story,

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<v Speaker 3>like what can you change it to?

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<v Speaker 2>And mytory?

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, that sounds kind of weird or now,

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<v Speaker 3>but probably his story, his story sounds weird too if

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<v Speaker 3>you ever heard it. So if you just keep calling

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<v Speaker 3>it our story, then everyone will call it our story.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, language is elastic, so yeah, it evolves. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. That's that's good to know that it's evolving

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I'd never thought about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It'sn't it weird to think about women's history, women's his

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<v Speaker 3>story like that seems so weird to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That just gave me anger and goosebumps. It's so crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>how barely out of the dark ages like you still

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<v Speaker 2>are in so many dark as, like this is still

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<v Speaker 2>a dark age. This is a dark We're in a

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<v Speaker 2>dark age.

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<v Speaker 3>We're in a dark age.

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Eisen wants to know have you ever used cool

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<v Speaker 2>or weird stuff from the museum to impress a date?

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, unfortunately I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>God, Ronnie, I know you could steal so much cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the most expensive artifact you've ever dealt with or handled?

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a cheesy question, but I'm sorry I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to ask.

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<v Speaker 4>You.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, it's interesting because some of the artifacts are priceless. Yees,

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<v Speaker 3>so we don't know how much you know. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just just from the sentimental point of view. Like just

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<v Speaker 3>the other day, I was holding Jack London's camera, which

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<v Speaker 3>He's an amazing photographer and took photos of the what

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<v Speaker 3>was it the nineteen oh eight seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Earthquakes oh six six San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 3>And San Francisco, and his photographs are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So these photos appear in a book, The Paths Men Take,

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<v Speaker 2>published in twenty sixteen and on the state park's website,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm going to add to all the episode links

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<v Speaker 2>at aliward dot com, slash ologies and side note. Ronnie

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<v Speaker 2>also says that some artifacts that aren't on display can

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<v Speaker 2>get loaned to museums all over the world, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a shirt that you lend to your roommate before

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<v Speaker 2>a trip, hoping she doesn't get mustered on it.

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<v Speaker 3>We do, you know, share them so other museums can

842
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 3>display them and share the story of Jack Linton as well.

843
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Like, Hey, we're doing a canoe exhibit. You got anything cool?

844
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 3>And you're like do we totally? Yeah?

845
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Like you send? Can you send it over?

846
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Get it?

847
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Canoes? Send it over?

848
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I don't know what that was about. Okay.

849
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Mary Anne Moss wants to know how do you recommend

850
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>tackling visiting museum when you're short on time? She always

851
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.599
<v Speaker 2>feels like she hasn't. She says, I always feel like

852
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I haven't done a place justice unless I've seen everything,

853
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of time that's not possible. And also

854
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Speaker 2>follow up question, what do you do about museum fatigue?

855
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you're like, I'm so tired, I've seen so much stuff.

856
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.639
<v Speaker 3>I think you have you know the technology, you let

857
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.519
<v Speaker 3>it work for you. So before you go. You know,

858
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 3>if you're the passenger of a car and you're driving

859
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.280
<v Speaker 3>there with like your boyfriend or girlfriend, you have an

860
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.719
<v Speaker 3>hour to kill, just look it up on Instagram, on

861
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Yelp and something and see what is there, and then

862
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you want to breeze through a lot

863
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 3>of it, fine, but I think you should find one

864
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 3>thing that you are interested in and really focus on it.

865
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 3>So have you heard of this thing called museum Sage. No,

866
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 3>So there's this thing called museum Sage that it's like

867
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 3>a program that someone started where and they're doing it

868
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 3>at certain museums to where they'll take you and in

869
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 3>the lobby and they'll blindfold you what and you start

870
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 3>you pick like locations like turn left here, turn right here,

871
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 3>to whatever, and they guide you up to whatever you choose,

872
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 3>whatever painting or sculpture or object, and before you take

873
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 3>the blindfolds off, blindfold off, you think of a question

874
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.800
<v Speaker 3>you should like ask yourself deeply, something that struggling with.

875
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 3>It could be like, you know, will will I ever

876
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 3>get this job? Or wish I do with my life?

877
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.519
<v Speaker 3>Or what kind of car should I buy? Whatever you

878
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 3>want to do. But you just think of it yourself,

879
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 3>and they take off the blindfold and you stare at

880
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>whatever they show you and you find the answer. Oh

881
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.880
<v Speaker 3>my god, and that painting or whatever.

882
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's amazing.

883
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 3>So I think always focus on one You should always

884
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 3>just choose one thing to really focus in on, because

885
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.719
<v Speaker 3>I think you can really find a lot about yourself

886
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 3>or about anything you want in that one thing.

887
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.519
<v Speaker 2>I looked on their website, which is conveniently Museum Sage

888
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 2>dot com, and they have videos, you guys, videos like

889
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.400
<v Speaker 2>this one where a woman named Kim asks a twelfth

890
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>century of oz what to do with her career.

891
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 3>So whenever you're ready, you can open your eyes. Christmas,

892
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:44.280
<v Speaker 3>I know.

893
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is not what I expect. What will Kim do?

894
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm so invested.

895
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:56.519
<v Speaker 3>We have a tribe liaison who coordinates with the governor's

896
00:45:56.559 --> 00:46:00.599
<v Speaker 3>liaison with Native Americans, and so it's very We're probably

897
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.400
<v Speaker 3>a little bit different in that regard since we are

898
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:03.320
<v Speaker 3>a government agency.

899
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Zoey Trepplick, great question. Have you ever encountered any haunted

900
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.159
<v Speaker 2>artifacts or any objects that just gave you the willies?

901
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 3>So there's a house museum that I take care of,

902
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 3>and it's the Valeo Home in Soinema, And Valeo's wife

903
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 3>is known to haunt the house what and hate English speakers,

904
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.039
<v Speaker 3>So anytime you speak English in there, she gets very mad.

905
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:31.760
<v Speaker 3>No way, Yeah, have.

906
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:32.280
<v Speaker 2>You been there?

907
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I have been there.

908
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 2>What does it feel like?

909
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 3>I wait for her to yell at me, and she

910
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 3>hasn't yet. I think, you know, when you want a

911
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:41.079
<v Speaker 3>ghost tale year, it never happens.

912
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>They're such jerks.

913
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I always wanted, though, there is. I also take

914
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 3>care of a building called the Tuscano Hotel. And one

915
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.639
<v Speaker 3>time I was trying to film a video for Instagram

916
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.440
<v Speaker 3>and the music wasn't working, and I was like trying

917
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 3>to do like a Billie Joel song to like some

918
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 3>sort of weird thing or something, and then the music

919
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 3>didn't work. But when I replayed it, there were men

920
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 3>voices talking in the background and there are definitely no

921
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:06.159
<v Speaker 3>men there.

922
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.039
<v Speaker 2>What do you believe in ghosts?

923
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Sure? Sure, yeah, sure, I'm open to it. I would

924
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 3>love to see a ghost.

925
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't be freaked out.

926
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 3>I know. I would love for Jacqueline to come hang

927
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 3>out with me.

928
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's just like your ghost.

929
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Homiem hm, totally.

930
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Hannah wants to know what is your favorite exhibit you've

931
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 2>worked on.

932
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 3>I was getting preparing an object to be on display

933
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 3>and it was a dress made of human hair and

934
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 3>so so I was picking out dead bugs from the

935
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 3>early nineteen hundreds from this dress with like tweezers and

936
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 3>microstan like so I had a lot of fun working

937
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 3>on that. All it is is work.

938
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Overbe wants to know. I've heard museums have basements

939
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 2>chock full of cool stuff hidden away. She so, in

940
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>terms of the collections, why are you so sneaky with

941
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>your stuff? And how do I get down there.

942
00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:59.039
<v Speaker 3>Come see my stuff?

943
00:47:59.159 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

944
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Always yes, if you're interested in anything that is, it's

945
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.599
<v Speaker 3>not hidden away as much as it's taken like in

946
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.039
<v Speaker 3>proper conditions, the climate is proper for them to be stored.

947
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:13.719
<v Speaker 3>And like, like I said, if we have two hundred lanterns.

948
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, you want to be able to take care

949
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 3>of the lanterns and have the minimum proper environment that

950
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 3>can They can be there forever, so if someone does

951
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 3>want to research them, they'll be there for them to

952
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:22.280
<v Speaker 3>look at.

953
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 2>So just ask for more tours.

954
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can. You can get a tour if you asked.

955
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 3>If you ask, you can see stuff.

956
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Blake Hawkins wants tona on average, how many pieces in

957
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 2>a museum's collection are authentic versus well crafted replicas.

958
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Now, if it's an actual museum, I would say most

959
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 3>of it is authentic. But house museums are a different

960
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.719
<v Speaker 3>story because you do need to set up the house

961
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.079
<v Speaker 3>and make it look like it's from that time, and

962
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times you acquire houses maybe one hundred

963
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 3>years after the year you want to interpret, so you

964
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 3>do piece together objects from that time period, but maybe

965
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily from that house specifically.

966
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there might be a phone on the wall

967
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 2>that is of the same year, but it wasn't that

968
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.039
<v Speaker 2>particular phone that was used.

969
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And if you can go off of like photographs,

970
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.079
<v Speaker 3>you try to match things up as much as best

971
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 3>you can.

972
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Claudia Louis wants to know if you ever feel overwhelmed

973
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:13.039
<v Speaker 2>by the amount of history around you.

974
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 3>No. Never. I love the amount of history around me,

975
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 3>though I do feel overwhelmed that I should know everything.

976
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 3>So I guess in a sense, yeah, because there's so

977
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.320
<v Speaker 3>much to know, and especially with my position having thirty

978
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:29.079
<v Speaker 3>thousand objects and twenty two different parks. Each park has

979
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 3>its own, like hundred history that spans hundreds of years,

980
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.400
<v Speaker 3>so it is I guess that is overwhelming in a sense.

981
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Do you get texts or calls in the middle

982
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 2>of the night, like, ah, something broke or is it like.

983
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:42.599
<v Speaker 3>From the fire. Yeah, when we have the fire, it's like, Okay,

984
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 3>let's rally the troops and let's get this going.

985
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh I was so worried. You were like, can we

986
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>postpone the interview? And I was like, yeah, I think

987
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. Like your entire city's on fire and you

988
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>are a curator of museums. Yeah, that's a good idea.

989
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Jason Newman from the Facebook group also know is there

990
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 2>a friendly rivalry between different museums of the same type,

991
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:06.239
<v Speaker 2>like or do natural history museums make jokes about modern

992
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:06.960
<v Speaker 2>art museums?

993
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 4>No?

994
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Actually, I think that there's a good relationship between the museums.

995
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 3>For me especially, I think that it works. We work

996
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:16.719
<v Speaker 3>great together.

997
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 2>You guys play nice. Yeah, totally, You're not like super

998
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 2>museum bitches. Britt Pitcher wants to know. Can I come

999
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:22.719
<v Speaker 2>be your friend?

1000
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Of course?

1001
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Nick van Aker wants to know. Do you have an

1002
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 2>artifact or specimen that you would love to see on

1003
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:29.960
<v Speaker 2>display in a museum that never will be because it's

1004
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>too gross or too big or too fragile.

1005
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Hmm, right now? There are some you know, Native American

1006
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:41.360
<v Speaker 3>objects that are used for ceremonial purposes. They probably want

1007
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:43.639
<v Speaker 3>every be displayed. Oh wow. And also there are like

1008
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.960
<v Speaker 3>there's we have a shrunken head from an island that

1009
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.079
<v Speaker 3>probably won't go on display right now. So what are

1010
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:51.199
<v Speaker 3>some really neat stuff?

1011
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a lot of human artifacts?

1012
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.679
<v Speaker 3>Surprisingly, it's very interesting, not necessarily human bones, but hair.

1013
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Hair is big, I mean especial Victorian era. You have

1014
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of human hair.

1015
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.800
<v Speaker 2>They made a lot of memento Maury's things out of that,

1016
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.920
<v Speaker 2>right Yeah. I need to look up how shrunken heads

1017
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:08.519
<v Speaker 2>work because I.

1018
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Don't even know.

1019
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, do they.

1020
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Take the skull out? I don't get it. I saw

1021
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:15.320
<v Speaker 3>my first one when I was like ten and I

1022
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Ripley's Believe It or Not exhibit, And I don't know.

1023
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Does it haunt Does the image of it haunt you?

1024
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 3>It's creepy. Yeah, it's very creepy. You know.

1025
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 2>There's a curios store in Seattle that's just like on

1026
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the pier that has a couple of mummified humans and

1027
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how does it work? I'm like, is that legal?

1028
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I don't understand how that works.

1029
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 2>A corpse in like a dead it's very weird. Side

1030
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 2>note on that, so yes, to make a shrunken head,

1031
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>one first removes the skull and then stretches the face

1032
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.559
<v Speaker 2>skin over a small wooden ball and boils it. So

1033
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:51.280
<v Speaker 2>in terms of DIY project, I give this one a pass. Now,

1034
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.480
<v Speaker 2>these were ceremoniously made in the Amazon rainforests. They were

1035
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.599
<v Speaker 2>thought to harness an enemy's power. And then the tourism

1036
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 2>trade caused a bump in sales both real and of

1037
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.920
<v Speaker 2>fakes in the early nineteen hundreds, and that is where

1038
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:11.320
<v Speaker 2>we get the term headhunting ding horrifying. Also, that shop

1039
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 2>on Seattle's waterfront is called ye old Curiosity Shop, very

1040
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 2>on the nose, and it's been there, owned by the

1041
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 2>same family for four generations since the eighteen nineties. And

1042
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the mummy that's just straight up on display in a

1043
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:29.400
<v Speaker 2>glass case like a fucking croissant is named Sylvester, and

1044
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I just went down. I want you to know a

1045
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.599
<v Speaker 2>two hour rabbit hole about him, but I'm just going

1046
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>to condense it and say he's thought to be a

1047
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 2>wild West outlaw who was shot in the gut and

1048
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:42.519
<v Speaker 2>quickly embalmed in Arsenic by a con man named Soapy.

1049
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.239
<v Speaker 2>But then he fell into the hands of the Seattle

1050
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Curio Emporium in the nineteen fifties. Also, he got shot

1051
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.079
<v Speaker 2>in the face with buckshot at one point in his life,

1052
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.239
<v Speaker 2>never went to a doctor, and his skin just healed

1053
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 2>over it. He's not for sale, but evidently it is

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<v Speaker 2>legal to buy and display human remains. However, birth control

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<v Speaker 2>pills are not available over the counter, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>buy wine coolers in some counties. Oh well, okay, back

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<v Speaker 2>to rapid fire. These are great questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather Crowther wants to know who writes the blurbs next

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<v Speaker 2>to the artifacts. Is it a curator a historian who

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<v Speaker 2>gets that.

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<v Speaker 3>Job probably depends on the museum for California State Parks.

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<v Speaker 3>We have an interpreter who writes the exhibit panels, does

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<v Speaker 3>the research and everything. And so for me, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>curator right now, so or museum technician technically, which is

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much a curator. So I don't get to do that,

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<v Speaker 3>but we do have input.

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<v Speaker 2>Our museum people. Chill, this is my own question.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So are they uptight because they're like everything has to

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<v Speaker 2>be perfect?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it depends, okay on age. Okay, no, it

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<v Speaker 3>really doesn't. I mean I'm not agous, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think the honestly, I think the older someone is has

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<v Speaker 3>worked in the museum, you know, they've been there for

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<v Speaker 3>like thirty years or something, so it's their baby. And

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<v Speaker 3>then when something's your baby, you do become protective of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, you have these new young museum professionals

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<v Speaker 3>that are like, what, let's give the world this, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you know people that have been there for thirty

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<v Speaker 3>years are just a little more protective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Amy ten bergs ten Bears, I'm sure I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>that wrong. Great question. What are the most annoying things

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<v Speaker 2>visitors do? She says, people so often dampen her enjoyment

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<v Speaker 2>of museums with their behavior. How do you stay sane

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<v Speaker 2>working with that every day? Like, what do visitors do that?

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<v Speaker 2>You're like what no touch?

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<v Speaker 3>Touch touch, like reach across any kind of velvet rope any.

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<v Speaker 2>Standien side note, those velvet ropes that are used in

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<v Speaker 2>museums and nightclubs to convey just like don't are called

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<v Speaker 2>stanchions and they come from the French for beam or support.

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<v Speaker 2>And did you know you can buy them on Amazon

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<v Speaker 2>for like ninety dollars, So for less than a Benjamin,

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<v Speaker 2>you can erect a velvet rope on your own porch

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<v Speaker 2>and you can feel like a very elite baller every

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<v Speaker 2>time you come home. Okay, back to museum etiquette.

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<v Speaker 3>People don't care and selfies are fine, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>selfie is over the stanchion or trying to touch things

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<v Speaker 3>that you shouldn't. It boggles my mind. Like you can

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<v Speaker 3>go on YouTube and watch all these crazy mishaps. If

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<v Speaker 3>people just wanting to touch things, it's so weird. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon Feltis says, real talk, do you have that ancient

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<v Speaker 2>tablet that makes the museum come to life at at night? No,

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<v Speaker 2>to be fair, he's probably lying. He probably does have

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<v Speaker 2>an ancient magical tablet and it's just not telling us. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so your job. What is your least favorite thing about

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<v Speaker 2>your job?

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<v Speaker 4>What sucks? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I know you were going to ask this, and I

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<v Speaker 3>guess it would just have to be the paperwork when

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<v Speaker 3>you're you know, filling out loan agreements. That's not fun,

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't like suck suck. I mean, even if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like working on something out like a gravestone or

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<v Speaker 3>out in the rain in the middle of both a

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<v Speaker 3>Napa State Park, you're still in the middle of book

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<v Speaker 3>a Napolis State Park and next to a gravestone. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's mostly the desk et sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, i'd been ye desk stuff. Who wants to new

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<v Speaker 3>desk stuff when you can just go across the hall

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<v Speaker 3>and photo around with an object?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although, yeah, and you're allowed to touch it because you're

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<v Speaker 2>wearing gloves and stuff, right, totally, right, and because you're

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<v Speaker 2>responsible if it breaks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>A favorite thing about your job.

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<v Speaker 3>Just honestly just going. So I get to my work

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<v Speaker 3>every day before the sun comes up. Really yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>get there at seven in the morning, woof, And so

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<v Speaker 3>I leave the house at four or I get up

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<v Speaker 3>at four to fifteen every day. Oh my god, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's pretty crazy. But I get there and I

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<v Speaker 3>get to like I'm the first one there, and I

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<v Speaker 3>love just like having the keys and opening the door

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<v Speaker 3>to my building and it's like a wooden door in

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<v Speaker 3>these eighteen hundred barracks and it's just really I just

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<v Speaker 3>like walking into it. It's it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a I should figure this question out myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have to google this. But why do museums

1141
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<v Speaker 2>smell so good? Why do old books smell good? What

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<v Speaker 2>are we smelling when we smell old cool stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>I just think we're smelling history. Yeah, I think history

1144
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<v Speaker 3>smells good. Yeah. I was just Oh, I just got

1145
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<v Speaker 3>a cologne that I never haven't tried yet, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>called book what. Yes, it's amazing, so I'm like excited

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<v Speaker 3>to try it so that I don't even know who

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<v Speaker 3>makes it. I just got it for Christmas, like a

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<v Speaker 3>little sample of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>But someone was like, oh, I know you would like

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<v Speaker 3>this and this is book.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I would need to order that, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>quick aside, why do old books smell so good? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I just Google the shit out of this, and it

1156
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 2>turns out that paper is made of cellulose and lignin

1157
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<v Speaker 2>from wood pulp, and when they degrade, they throw off

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00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 2>volatile organic compounds that smell a lot like vanilla and almonds.

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<v Speaker 2>So it turns out there are a few colognes formulated

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<v Speaker 2>to smell like old books, and they have names like

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<v Speaker 2>paperback in the Library, book and dead Writers, but I

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<v Speaker 2>applaud all of them for not opting for the less

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<v Speaker 2>huff friendly name of bookworm. Do you have any future goals, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>is there any in terms of being a musologist that

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I want to do this before the end

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<v Speaker 2>of my career totally.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that a lot of exhibits can be

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<v Speaker 3>updated and can be more inclusive, and I do want

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<v Speaker 3>to change that, So I do have that as a goal.

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<v Speaker 2>To see what Ronnie Clein's day to day life as

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<v Speaker 2>a musiologist entails, follow his very wonderful Instagram. It's Museum Ronnie,

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<v Speaker 2>and as long as you're there, you might want to

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<v Speaker 2>check out Granny the Dog, which is his scruffy rescue

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<v Speaker 2>pup who is very cute. I am proud to say

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<v Speaker 2>I was her first follower. I was on that he

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<v Speaker 2>podcast group, which is admined by Aaron Talbert. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>and Hannah Liippo, who just moved to Boston in case

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in Boston needs a new awesome smart friend. Ran

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<v Speaker 2>to miss her so so much in California. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>of her for this adventure and for her work as

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<v Speaker 2>an attorney for the ACLU. There, Hello, Boston, I am

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<v Speaker 2>relying on you to be cool and make her feel

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<v Speaker 2>at home. Okay, thank you Steven Ray Morris for editing

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<v Speaker 2>this on a very very tight turnaround while I succumbed

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<v Speaker 2>here's this secret for this week. I've shoplifted one time

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<v Speaker 2>in my life because I can't deal with the guilt

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<v Speaker 2>of doing it otherwise. And it was when I had

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<v Speaker 2>very low blood sugar and I was in a write

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<v Speaker 2>aid and I had to get a cliff bar, like immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>I was feeling very woozy and the line was out

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<v Speaker 2>the door they were taking forever and I stole the

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<v Speaker 2>cliff bar. Uh. It was carrot cake flavor. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>bad about it still to this day. And at one

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<v Speaker 2>point I thought about getting a carrot cake cliff bar

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow anti shoplifting it and smuggling it back in,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought that would be weirder, So write aight,

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