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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, good morning, good morning, welcome, welcome, welcome time

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<v Speaker 1>now for city matters on our community connection. And with

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<v Speaker 1>this here a city Councilman Tim Sharey.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, dude, sir, doing great, Tom, Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Always great to have the folks in from the city.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll give us kind of a recap of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>with the City Hall last night. The big news, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess was the Task Force on the Homeless. And I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that we got an ordinance taken care of and

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<v Speaker 1>a few things that we're kind of brought to light

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<v Speaker 1>to concerning some language and what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's true, So I have a copy of the

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<v Speaker 2>ordinance here with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, And I thought that the committee did a very

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<v Speaker 3>fine job kind of keeping government and it's lane, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's not our job to try to legislate an

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<v Speaker 3>individual's pathway to recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't do that. We don't know what they need.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't come to them with a holistic approach and

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<v Speaker 3>support that they're going to need to perhaps recover from

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<v Speaker 3>some of the life controlling behaveaviors that have been pointed

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<v Speaker 3>out by the committee. But what they did was create

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<v Speaker 3>an infrastructure here that regulates certain kinds of behaviors in

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<v Speaker 3>public spaces as it relates to matters of public health

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<v Speaker 3>and safety, and that is a legitimate government concern, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think they did a very good job keeping that

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<v Speaker 3>all together in the right lanes. One of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that we caught was just basically an effort to try

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<v Speaker 3>to keep the code clean. Our municipal code, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't been updated in some areas for some time. So

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<v Speaker 3>anytime you want to bring something new like this where

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<v Speaker 3>you need to address issues that are occurring in your

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<v Speaker 3>current culture, you need to go back and make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that you're not going to have anything that the courts

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<v Speaker 3>can trip over as they attempt to adjudicate infractions. So

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<v Speaker 3>there was one section in chapter twelve, section twelve one

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<v Speaker 3>oh seven A where it had some language that was

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<v Speaker 3>conflicting with the remainder of this ordinance, and since we

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<v Speaker 3>wanted this to be authoritative on matter, we just simply

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<v Speaker 3>added a section to the ordinance that repealed that conflicting section.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, very good. So you got to keep up with

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<v Speaker 1>the times, as they say, yes, sir, So there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Other things that we're I guess talked about were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that these folks get their ideas because

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<v Speaker 1>some of them run around with no identification.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it is important to get them an ID to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that we can recognize who we're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 3>That allows repeat encounters with individuals to be guided, if

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<v Speaker 3>you will, so that they can be directed to the

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<v Speaker 3>appropriate resource to best suit whatever they may need. Particularly

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<v Speaker 3>when we're talking about acute care, where you're talking about you,

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<v Speaker 3>do you have water, do you have food? Do you

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<v Speaker 3>have adequate survival skills?

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<v Speaker 2>Here? Are you going to be? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>That's kind of the first humanitarian effort, and so that's

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<v Speaker 3>I think very important. Another piece of that, though, is

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<v Speaker 3>that if you get them to the nonprofit, they don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to pay for the ID. If they just go

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<v Speaker 3>to the tag office like you and I, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to pay for a photo ID. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 3>if it's a drivers. So I think that's that's a

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<v Speaker 3>nice feature that the nonprofits can help them to get

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<v Speaker 3>a photo ID that will help them to do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of other things like.

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<v Speaker 1>Help them help themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you know you'll need it for a job interview.

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<v Speaker 3>You will as you as they begin to come out

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<v Speaker 3>of perhaps the homeless situation that they're in.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll need those kinds of things. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to go apply for a job at Walmart, they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna want to picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Id you bet you any any place? Really. Also, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that we cleaned up some of the language. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember several weeks ago, actually a couple of months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an email that went out saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>city is going to find anybody and everybody found homeless

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<v Speaker 1>why one hundred dollars?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, There was some information out there that we were

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<v Speaker 3>attempting to criminalize homelessness.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're not. So what that does is it allows

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<v Speaker 2>a protection.

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<v Speaker 3>To exist for anyone who might have to encounter the courts.

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<v Speaker 3>By stamping it with a maximum of five hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>it keeps it firmly within the realm of a misdemeanor offense,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than being perhaps misconstrued as a felony offense.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's good for everybody. It is.

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<v Speaker 3>Not something that's going to be handed out as a

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<v Speaker 3>matter of first choice.

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<v Speaker 2>As these people are encountered. The language of the ordinance.

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<v Speaker 3>Now says that the officers have the option of helping

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<v Speaker 3>to refer them. I think as we go through this

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<v Speaker 3>next six months, you can see some QR code that

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<v Speaker 3>pop up. It's amazing that people are homeless but still

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<v Speaker 3>have cell phones and access to a lot of that

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<v Speaker 3>Internet access. But it's good for us because we can

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<v Speaker 3>make it available in a very portable fashion all of

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<v Speaker 3>the resources that they could access if they choose to

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<v Speaker 3>do so.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to be based on.

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<v Speaker 3>Repeat offenders, of course, will be adjudicated, perhaps a bit

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<v Speaker 3>more stringently than others. I think that's appropriate. I think

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<v Speaker 3>you see that in the entirety of our law. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to be where they're just passing out

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred dollars fines because you happen to be homeless

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<v Speaker 3>and sitting on a sidewalk someplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, very good. Other things coming up, I guess there

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<v Speaker 1>was some land things that are coming up in the

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<v Speaker 1>future that you deal with our city owned lands that

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's coming up. As far as the Endeavor twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>There, Well, we had a couple of things that dealt

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<v Speaker 3>with property.

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<v Speaker 2>We accepted some.

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<v Speaker 3>Bids for development in a couple of areas. Some of

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<v Speaker 3>that will create new housing in Bartlesville.

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<v Speaker 2>There were some other things that we had to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with that.

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<v Speaker 3>For one individual, they thought perhaps it would be better

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<v Speaker 3>if they just knocked property down. And I was really

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<v Speaker 3>impressed with Larry Curtis as he volunteered to give some

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<v Speaker 3>more time to work with that individual and make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that his property rights were preserved. That he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that it could be the property itself

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<v Speaker 3>could be secured and then that would keep that where

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<v Speaker 3>he could use it.

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<v Speaker 2>For his business as a shed and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought that was a highlight there that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Larry really approached this with some compassion. Now, as far

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<v Speaker 3>as as the other things for the zoning, we did

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<v Speaker 3>create an ad hot committee that consists of three community members.

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<v Speaker 3>They were based on the recommendation and that packet, of

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<v Speaker 3>course is available for everyone out on the city website

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to go see all the detail of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And we.

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<v Speaker 3>Also placed Councilman Kirkpatrick on as the City Planning Commission

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<v Speaker 3>representative and Vice Mayor Dorsey as the council representative.

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<v Speaker 2>And what they're going to do is.

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<v Speaker 3>Review and select a contractor basically to come in and

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<v Speaker 3>evaluate our code and see what might need to be

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<v Speaker 3>remediated as it relates to the endevor twenty forty five plan.

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<v Speaker 1>So how often is this group going to meet as

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<v Speaker 1>needed or.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be on an as needed basis.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll have to identify first of all, how much needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be adjusted so that it's brought into alignment, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that will set their schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good. Our reporter who was there last night, they

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<v Speaker 1>told me this in an email. I got it just

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<v Speaker 1>a guess. Before we came on about information sharing or

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<v Speaker 1>a documentation, A discussion took place there. I really couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>make anything out of the audio I heard, But what

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<v Speaker 1>was that all about? It? It seemed like that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys were kind of talking past each other a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>About document retention and the authority to destroy. So anytime

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<v Speaker 3>that you have public records, you have to have a

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<v Speaker 3>document that controls how long they're retained. Like if you

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<v Speaker 3>were going to talk about a financial it might be

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<v Speaker 3>five or ten years, or maybe even fifteen years, depending

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<v Speaker 3>on exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, guys, we haven't addressed new forms of media in

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<v Speaker 3>many years, so there are certain forms of media that

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<v Speaker 3>are out there that we need to create a policy around.

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<v Speaker 1>What has been omitted what has not been brought up

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<v Speaker 1>to speed.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think the last time that they touched on

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<v Speaker 3>this was around twenty ten or twenty twelve. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have the proliferation of email, text and other like WhatsApp,

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<v Speaker 3>signal and other messaging applications. They didn't have body worn

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<v Speaker 3>cameras back then.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean they were around, but they weren't used

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<v Speaker 1>wide use.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, there was an explosion of social media over

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<v Speaker 3>the last ten to fifteen years. Voicemails were not included

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<v Speaker 3>in the previous policy, So there were certain things that

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<v Speaker 3>we needed to go back and say, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be our policy. This is how long we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to set as a city that these things need

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<v Speaker 3>to be retained. And then certain other things we set

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<v Speaker 3>as a city policy to know required retention, and what

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<v Speaker 3>that means basically is that it defaults back to the

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<v Speaker 3>departmental retention policy. So, for example, on the body worn cameras,

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<v Speaker 3>the police department already has a policy that says any

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<v Speaker 3>uncategorized data is retained for sixty days, and if it's

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<v Speaker 3>a part of an ongoing investigation or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 3>it's retained for much longer.

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<v Speaker 2>The life of the case. Sure, basically that seems pretty simple,

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<v Speaker 2>cut and dry.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, So there was some concern that we wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>provide for transparency so people would be able to come

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<v Speaker 3>down and ask for records and be able to see

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<v Speaker 3>certain kinds of communications that may have contributed to some

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<v Speaker 3>decision making.

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<v Speaker 2>So we moved the email, text.

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<v Speaker 3>And other electronic messaging from a no retention required policy

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<v Speaker 3>at the city level to a two year retention policy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, And what that will do basically is preserve

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<v Speaker 3>all of those types of messages over the life of

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<v Speaker 3>a single elected term and bleed over slightly into the

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<v Speaker 3>next term, leaving the subsequent council members' records. They'll be

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<v Speaker 3>able to look back and say, Okay, I have access

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<v Speaker 3>to the Ward Won mailbox and it looks like we

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<v Speaker 3>were talking about this and these are some pertinent conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>So it creates I hope it creates an additional level

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<v Speaker 3>of public trust. I believe that the people that worry

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<v Speaker 3>the most about accountability are the people who need it

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<v Speaker 3>the most. And I don't think any one of us

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<v Speaker 3>had any problem with the new policy. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely appropriate to make that available.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, getting some clarification. That's what the discussion was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, the new media. That's and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>could have gone back to nineteen forty three when it

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<v Speaker 1>was just telephoned. Yeah, got to keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 1>dates and what's happening with the times.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And some of us communicate in different manners, so

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's great because anytime you try to send

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what a text or a message on

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<v Speaker 1>WhatsApp or a signal has no tone, and with that,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the recipient and you can see that as somebody

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<v Speaker 3>Totally right, And that's something that I decided early on

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<v Speaker 3>to have those conversations. I've said several times, I've got

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes for anybody, you know, And it also makes

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I do every day.

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<v Speaker 3>That's your world, that's my world, and my time is

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<v Speaker 3>at a premium depending on what project is going on

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. So it makes more sense for me

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<v Speaker 3>to take five minutes with you by phone or ten

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<v Speaker 3>may need and be done, whereas if I have to

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<v Speaker 3>go back and forth on email because it's misconstrued, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's not clear, it's misunderstood. Maybe I'm not communicating it

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<v Speaker 3>anticipated or found useful.

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<v Speaker 1>Or a simple TYPEO can really throw a.

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<v Speaker 2>Message off the error and punctuation can really.

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<v Speaker 1>Punctuation is sexy.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's something that I do. I may I've

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<v Speaker 3>posted my phone number out there. I talk to more

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<v Speaker 3>people by phone than anything else, and that's that's one

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<v Speaker 3>way that I try to make sure that people have

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<v Speaker 3>a better understanding of what we're doing and why okay, okay, good.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything else you'd like to bring up that maybe do

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<v Speaker 1>we have any openings on boards, commissions, stuff like that

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<v Speaker 1>we do. You guys are always looking for somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>We do, so they put these out there and of

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<v Speaker 3>course We're really trying to stimulate more community involvement.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet.

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<v Speaker 3>We want everybody to at least throw your resume online

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<v Speaker 3>and let's see what we can do. It may not

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<v Speaker 3>always be a good fit, but we'll see where it

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<v Speaker 3>could fit. One area that I'd like to promote because

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<v Speaker 3>I happen to serve on that board is the Bartlesville

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<v Speaker 3>Area History Museum Trust Authority. We also need someone on

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<v Speaker 3>the Bartlesville Library Trust Authority. There's an opening on the

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<v Speaker 3>Street and Traffic Committee, and two openings on the White

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<v Speaker 1>Just go to the website the City of Bartlesville dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go out there and fill out the application

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<v Speaker 3>online and then you can be considered for those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, anything else you'd like to pass along.

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<v Speaker 3>There was one consideration or concern that was brought up

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<v Speaker 3>in our meeting about the flock cameras. You know, we

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<v Speaker 3>passed a new ordinance related to flock, and as part

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<v Speaker 3>of that ordinance, we said we did not want.

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<v Speaker 2>Who share the data outside of Bartlesville.

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<v Speaker 3>And so there was a story online back on May

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<v Speaker 3>thirtieth from four h four Media that talked about lookups

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<v Speaker 3>that were conducted by agencies across dozens of states, including

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<v Speaker 3>police departments in Texas, Florida, Missouri, and Arizona. And in

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<v Speaker 3>many of those cases, local officers were acting on informal

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<v Speaker 3>requests from federal agents to try to discover information about immigrants,

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<v Speaker 3>undocumented people, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had a moment to.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to Chief Ickleberry about that, and he assured us

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<v Speaker 3>that it would have to be part of a criminal

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<v Speaker 3>investigation that is documented, or they would not fulfill the requests.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that put to rest some of the

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<v Speaker 3>concerns immediately in the community. But there's always that sharing agreement,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's troublesome. The data is accessible, the data is hackable.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that flock was ever a great idea because.

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<v Speaker 2>Of some of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>It is still twenty four by seven surveillance, and even

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<v Speaker 3>though we're modifying it somewhat for our community, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>one of those things that's ever going to be completely

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<v Speaker 3>those just don't exist, so those mutual sharing.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreements are still out there.

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<v Speaker 3>I did see that Guthrie actually is getting rid of

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<v Speaker 3>flock after having experimented with it, and that may be

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<v Speaker 3>something that Bartlesfield wants to do at some point, I

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<v Speaker 3>know that we are still considering the possibilities of doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is a concern. These kinds of things are

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<v Speaker 3>continuing concern. There's also a concern where Flock in Georgia

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<v Speaker 3>is now using drones. So they have a nine to

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<v Speaker 3>one one drone. When a nine to one one call

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<v Speaker 3>comes in, it doesn't wait to be dispatched. It immediately

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<v Speaker 3>launches and begins to navigate to the address where the

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<v Speaker 3>crime center. They're also using drones to fly over traffic

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<v Speaker 3>as it goes through their downtown streets to look for

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<v Speaker 3>people who are texting while driving, or looking for people

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<v Speaker 3>who aren't wearing seat belts, and then they're pulling them

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<v Speaker 3>over and giving them a citation for that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So the drone pulls you over.

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<v Speaker 2>The drone sends the video to the police unit.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a guy standing on the side of the

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<v Speaker 3>road flying the drone and there's three cars the video

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<v Speaker 3>that I saw, there's like three cars sitting there, and

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<v Speaker 3>as it gets a hit for someone not wearing a

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<v Speaker 3>seat belt, someone who's texting on their phone while they're driving.

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<v Speaker 3>The drone identifies, it sends the video to the police unit,

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<v Speaker 3>and the police unit pulls them over and writes some

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<v Speaker 3>a citation. So it's an ever expanding technology that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to make the invasive nature of the surveillance even more so.

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<v Speaker 1>Texting and driving is kind of stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>You look down, you've gone one hundred yards. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think people realize that, right you look down at your phone,

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<v Speaker 1>You've gone hundred yards. Lot could happen in one hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>I think our concern is, you know, with using these

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<v Speaker 3>feel like are inherently dangerous. It's that's a precedent that

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<v Speaker 3>it could potentially be used to regulate things that aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all about trying to find where the line is.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is, and that finding the line for some

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<v Speaker 3>In Oklahoma, you know, I had a conversation with John Eccles,

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<v Speaker 3>who's running for our next Attorney general's position, and I

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<v Speaker 3>talked with him through some concerns around FLOCK. And he

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<v Speaker 3>also believes that FLOCK is perhaps in violation of Oklahoma's

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<v Speaker 3>Title forty seven. He also believes that it could present

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<v Speaker 3>a Fourth Amendment encroachment. He was in Barblesville speaking to

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<v Speaker 3>the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association when he made those comments.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was back in February.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just our very last meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh meeking, gotcha?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm sorry. It was not our last meeting. Charity

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<v Speaker 3>Lynch was here at our last meeting. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>All right, good, Well, I want to thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>coming in, yes, sir, after a busy night last night. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>got some beauty rest. But Tim Shark, thank you very

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<v Speaker 1>much for being a part of our program here on

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me Tom, always a pleasure.