Speaker 1: And that's why I never read the comment. I just
want to like, I'm not even gonna look amazing tonight.
I love what you're wearing. Said, Oh my god, they're
all I have an angry closs.
Speaker 2: That is life.
Speaker 1: But that's hard, like unless it's like an NBA team
or something like.
Speaker 3: Whoa, Hey, guys, welcome back to Holly Randall and Filtered.
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those rare people who pulled it off. The move from
adult entertainment into mainstream media that everybody talks about and
almost nobody achieves. She's an old friend of the show,
so we don't need to rehash where she started. What's
worth talking about is where she is now, three books deep,
touring the country for live events, building a digital twin,
and a fantasy football career that has truly built a
new online identity for one of the most famous porn
stars in the world.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Lisa Ann.
Speaker 2: That was lovely, Holly, thank you so much. It's great
to be back with you. I really got so much
good response from the last time I had a conversation
with you on your podcast, So thank you.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I loved the last interview that we did.
Speaker 3: I feel like you got really raw and real and open.
And I want to apologize because I know that there's
some people that's pulled clips out of context from that
and have been you know what people do online, Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'll fill everybody in. So one of the things
that I did in twenty twenty three, when I was
embarking on deciding to take a year, which ended up
being fifteen months off from adding to the space, was
I made my YouTube channel private because I realized that
there's these international clippers and they're kind of like an
anti porn They're like a like like an in cell
where they just want to bring out all the times
porn stars got emotional, whether it was talking about their
family whatever. So the clip that resurfaced two weeks ago
was me talking about the loss, the permanent loss of
my relationship with my family, and I teared up because
it was a real conversation we were having. Well did
I get drive for two weeks that I don't deserve
to have a family. They should hate me, I should
kill myself. I'm a horrible human being. So we're going
to keep this fun and I'm never going to let
anybody know what I'm really thinking ever Again. I've made
that an honest approach because we're at a clickbait era
that is more toxic than anything we've yet seen on
social media. We've got men who have had expectations from
their favorite star that didn't come to fruition, and now
they absolutely hate us and the war on sex workers.
It's just climbing. And I'm writing this finish in this
third book right now about the manosphere, which to me
is just an in cel glow up Okay, you're just
giving it a better name. It's a glow up for itself.
That's what the manosphere as. Ever. Really, let's just get
us straight, because they're all in our space, most of
these men and the men, the leaders in the manosphere,
you know, started with the tape brothers with the webcams
in Romania, which I have nothing against them. I think
a lot of their words are great. I follow them,
I watch all their clips. All admit, I don't agree
with everything, but I don't have to agree with everything
somebody says, and I also don't have to comment. But
right now we're at this point where we're being demonized again.
And I can remember nineteen eighty eight to nineteen ninety two,
no banks would take my ones as a stripper, and
I bought a Mini Bronco with thirty five hundred dollars
in ones and gave the guy a five hundred dollar
tip at the dealership for counting out the ones. I
had to do everything in ones because if you tried
to walk into a bank back then as a stripper,
they'd be like, yo, we don't take your money. You
can't give our cash here. And so we're circling back
to that, and I think it's an important stage we're
at because it's going to clean the streets of every
young woman thinking her only option to make good a
living is turning eighteen and starting an online profile and
the adult space. You should want to be in the
adult space. You should want to have sex, you should
want to celebrate sex, you should want to take sexy
photos and be a part of the whole world. But
we're just leading in with the money. And we saw
that with a Jenda Jamison era, where girls were getting
in the business because they wanted to be Jenna, And
now girls are getting in the business because they want
to make a hundred million dollars, which is a very
unique and small portion of those on these profiles. So yes,
I did get really dragged, and I was reminded that
I'm a loser and that I don't deserve to have
nice things and I should be treated like shit for
the rest of my life. I fully accept that because
that's what it is. I'd rob people joy and now
they hate me.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes me sad because I love to
have people on and talk about real stuff, right and
talk about real life because the whole reason I started
this podcast was because I just love the people that
I work with, and I feel like I work with
such incredibly intelligent, you know, inspirational people with amazing stories
that just happened to work in the adult industry.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Look, I love to talk about gang bangs as much
as anybody else, but it's really nice to sometimes tie
into the humanity and the human experience that we all
go through. So I'm just sorry that that turned into
what it turned into and that people took that in
a way that it was never meant to go.
Speaker 1: But I mean, this is they're doing it.
Speaker 2: With all the clippers, every every nice thing that's been
said on your podcast from these clippers overseas, Like this crew,
I know exactly who they are, and they're just deamons.
And what you've done for us is you've were so
comfortable because we've been so vulnerable in front of you
on set. You've seen us naked, you've seen us do scenes,
you've seen us have awkward moments, so it's easy for
us to open up to you. But I would advise
anybody getting into the adult space to be very guarded
with your personal thoughts because you're actually not allowed to
have them, and we are controlled now by society because
if you try to do something good. Example, I just
took fifteen months off from adding to the vortex of
the world, no podcasts, no radio show, no sports stuff,
no nothing, to just see what remains and to see
what I missed, to see what I wanted to go
back to, and to just be doing less things but
do them better, right instead of having a million things,
have a couple of things that I'm doing really well.
And what I was my last year doing radio was
when this started to really get ugly, where the people
I was doing sports shows with started to get her asked.
Then somebody went through all of my podcast guests and
started to reach out to them on social media and
her asked them, how can you talk to her? She's
a piece of shit, she did porn, she's hard. And
then I just realized, oh, my runoff is hurting people.
So I had to stop inviting guests on my podcasts.
I had to stopped doing a podcast. I made my
YouTube private. I just decided I would put things behind
a paywhile on subs and I would run a mainstream
page there that's like my YouTube. I do video calls
there just mainstream stuff. But when I realize people that
were now engaging with me were going to get attacked
because the attacks weren't working on me because I've got
thick skin. I get it, you know what I mean.
But I worry about younger people having to hear those
same things. There's nothing worse than being told to kill
yourself every day, and every day at least twenty times sometime.
So I just started to feel this level of ick
where we're being suffocated right now by this resentment people have,
by the money that girls are bragging about. And what's
crazy is none of us in the industry ever bragged
about money. And we were also a more sexual group
of beings that got in to explore ourselves and to
try new things and to share ourselves with other people.
And I think that's removed the fantasy for a lot
of these guys that used to enjoy watching us more
and now they're filling ankst because they're like, I don't
want to know this girl's making one hundred million dollars,
you know. So it's an interesting space. Don't apologize for it.
It's not your fault. We just are going to see
cycles in all things in life. I mean, right now,
the talk is all about how less young people are drinking. Well,
remember twenty five years ago Marlborough was worried about people
not smoking. You know, now we're seeing less young people
watching porn. Well, yeah, because they're all sports betting, because
they're the first generation where it's legal for them to
start sports betting online. So everything cycles, and right now
we're just in another one of those really vile, kind
of weird anti porn cycles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you and I have been in
the industry long enough to see, like, yep, this happened,
the up and the down, and you know, like it
was kind of cool. I went on doctor Arena Malick's
podcast and I got the opportunity to talk about the
history of porn, which nobody's ever asked me about, which
I've kind of seen in front of me. And you know,
the Mease Commission and like the Miller Tests and and
you know all the obscenity cases. You know, uh, John
Stagliano going for the Supreme Court and they're like playing
sporting videos to decide whether or not that's obscene.
Speaker 1: So it's like we have seen this over and over
and over again.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like this is sort of inescapable now
with tech anology, with the age verification going on, do
you feel like we're going down a path that we
can't come back from.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to come back very differently. I'm
very pro age verification. And when my guy friends say
to me, like I don't want to put my ID in,
I'm like, you're not protecting you, You're protecting someone's child.
You know. The problem is the average age of a
viewer in the United States is ten years old. Those
ten year olds start grooming the ten year old girls
in school, bragging that they're watching these girls online, and
so from ten to eighteen, young girls are now pressured
of like I want to be the girl that my
schoolmates are gushing over. It used to be we watched
the Dukes of Hazzard and the girl had the hot
shorts on, or Linda Carter, she was wonder woman, like
we used to emulate different people. Now young kids only
emulate female porn stars, and so their classmates are getting
pushed to already start thinking about doing porn. Young girls
in the US are watching at the age of twelve,
whereas young boys are watching at ten trying to get
them to start watching me between ten and twelve. So
what we need to do is have an understanding of
where the age gates play a better role by having
IDs uploaded. And once we get through this cycle, I
see it as a five to ten year cycle. Once
we get through this, we just have a very interesting
group of young men that it spit out. This is
the generation that went through COVID. This is the generation
who went back to school and one of their favorite
classmates was a different gender. They have never been held,
they've never had this psychology work or anyone help them.
How do you process that? You know, we've forced so
many different ideologies on people, But what about the kids
who just wanted to be kids? You know? So I
think we're going to go through a real heated moment,
and I think we're going to see things change drastically
in the next three to five years, and then in
ten years we're going to get back that people just
appreciate porn because here it is I create a product
that you enjoy. You enjoy the product I enjoyed making
the product. That is it. That's where it ends. But
there's this thing now where fans if they use the
word fan. That means they're in titled to more. They
want some of your personal time. They want to know
more about you. They want to show up places you are,
they want to have the right to stalk you. That's
where we've got to change the mindset again. And really,
this is an additive to your life. You watch porn
for a little bit of an additive. It's like me
eating sweets. I love sweets. I can't eat them every day.
It will be a fat ass. You can't watch porn
every day NonStop and not have some sort of psychological
recussions from that. So it's about healthy consumption and healthy creators.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: I want to change gears a little bit, okay, because
I want to make sure that we cover this.
Speaker 1: You're working on a third.
Speaker 2: Book, Yes, I am working on a third book. The
Life was released in twenty fifteen. The Life Back was
released in twenty twenty one. This book is going to
be a little bit more of my experience and what
I've seen and then how much I've seen it change.
I'm writing a lot about the manosphere because I find
it fascinating. I dove into the manosphere last year really heavy,
and I started interviewing a lot of people and asking
their experiences and what got them here, and really understanding
that group of people is going to help me understand
all of the pressures that young women are up against
to get into the sex business.
Speaker 1: Now why, I mean, you know, we talk about the manisphere.
Speaker 3: I think so much about like the loneliness epidemic that
we're facing, and how like I mean, I think they're
saying now that people are having sex less often. Yes,
they used to be, and it just seems like connections
between people is becoming more and more difficult. You know,
people don't meet each other in real life anymore, and
everything's like through the phone and all of these parasocial relationships.
Do you see a way in which that changes to
where we're back to, like I do, real human connection.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what this book opens. My new book
opens with the understanding that we are now living in
the world with the generation who all of their first
five years of sexual experiences were on the Internet, and
they think they're sexually well versed, but they never touched
a person. They've never had that feeling of a hug
and intimacy and kissing at the neck and the teasing
and the disrobing and all of the intimate things that
come with it. The straight yes, they go straight there,
and so we're the loneliness epidemic is created. In my opinion, yes,
the pandemic really did accelerate it. But when you have
young men watching porn at ten years old, it's addicting.
The dopamine hit is so hard they can't stop doing it,
and then they have a different skewed version of women
and people. I've interviewed some young people who have now
gone through a year without watching content at all to
then weaning themselves back to saying, on Friday nights, when
I do my laundry, I'm going to reward myself with
watching some of my favorite scenes. And once they do
that year, it's so cool to see how much more
effort they put to go out and just even talk
with a girl at a Starbucks or just make casual
conversation to get themselves comfortable again. But they've isolated themselves,
and they've also intimidated themselves because then when they're watching
a guy like Johnny Sin's at ten years old, they
think they have no shot to ever get a woman,
so they feel already they're up against it. The anxiety
that is caused by that we should have done better
with age gates from the jump. You can't go to
an adult bookstore and say I'm ten years old. You
can't go and buy cigarettes, you can't do any of
these things. So I do think that once we get
these parameters in place, kids are gonna have to be
kids again. And I was reading a great story from
a bunch of teachers in the city. They've made phones
not legal in school in New York City. Yeah, so
it's so cool is the teachers are like, these kids
are like playing cards in the hallway. They're like talking
about making plans for the weekend. Like She's like, the
things that I'm hearing now is so exciting. They're at
the lunch room and the volume is loud because they're
all talking to each other. So right away, instant shift
in the loneliness epidemic. Instant shift.
Speaker 3: I've been waiting for that, honestly, And like not to
make it sound like I'm a better parent or anything
like that, but like I will not allow like we
give Violet very little screen time, and we like when
we got to a rest ans, I do not let her
watch because I want.
Speaker 2: To teach you how to enjoy being at a restaurant.
Speaker 3: Or a mobile phone, which we have a bag we bring.
We have coloring books, we have crayons, all that kind
of stuff, because like I just I just go to
these restaurants and I see these kids are just like.
Speaker 2: The whole table can be the mom, the dad, the kids,
They're all doing their own thing. I'm like, you guys
could have done this at home right right as are
you there? Yeah, it's important you're doing that. And also
it's so great for communication. You know, when I walk
by a table in the city and I see three
generations a grandparent, their their child, and their child and
the little one is looking at their phone, I think
to myself, You're not going to have that grandparent in
your life forever. This is your chance and it's your
parents to be responsible for that.
Speaker 3: So you're doing in person appearances signings all over the country. Yes,
what is it about live events that keep you coming
back when you could just promote everything digitally?
Speaker 1: I feel like I know the answer to this question.
Speaker 2: You know, I did do fifteen months straight of only
communicating with my fans through video calls on some and
I have like you know, five people in each city
that I love that I didn't want to not see.
But with a third book coming out, it's important to
get back out there and get my reps and go
into some mainstream bookstores, Like I'm going to be at
the last bookstore in Studio City July eighteenth, doing my
first real bookstore reading. Yeah. I just spend a month
cold calling bookstores and booking myself for these things. But
I really missed the human interactions. And then when it
came to Exotica, I miss checking in with the talent.
I miss being able to sit down the night before
the show and sit with everybody I can and be like,
what's important to you right now? What's bothering you right now?
What do you think is slipping away from you right now?
Because I can be that person that's like, hey, life
is great on the outside. I took the chance. I
walked away from ninety nine point nine percent of my income,
you know, leave in the industry, people don't understand it's
such a skill to be able to say, Okay, everything
I do from now on is going to be for
less money. You have to have a lot of guts
to do it, and you got to be tenacious about it, right,
and you just find things that you're passionate about. So
I missed those interactions as well. And I also miss
the ancillary shit, believe it or not, like the random
people you meet that work at a hotel or people
in the airport, people watching, like just the interaction of
it all. I just realized I miss that. I miss
just being in that blank space where people know I'm
going to event, they don't know what dam I'm getting there,
they don't know what I'm leaving, and I'm just like
circling around the world.
Speaker 1: And you've always been such like a big traveler.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So kind of.
Speaker 3: On the flip side though, you're also you have a
digital twin, yes, so can you explain that to those
who might not.
Speaker 1: Even know what that is and how that experience has
worked out.
Speaker 2: For first and foremost, I'm with Oh chat Ai and
a digital twin. Do you know that song I don't
want to do your dirty work no more?
Speaker 1: Okay? So it's Dally dam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the theme song in my head every time
I'm posting for my digital twin. Because she handles everything
I don't she dirty sex with you? You could say
whateveryone want. She has no emotion, she needs no lunch breaks,
she doesn't sleep. But I've trained her in my voice,
so when they're texting with her, she's responding to me
just like I'm responding to you now in my voice.
She makes hardcore videos, she makes new photos.
Speaker 3: How is Zach, how is that working? Because I saw
that technology a little while ago. It's come along getting there,
come along with those penis would like fall off in
the middle of the scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's come a long way. They've really worked on
the tech and so she does all of that and
next month she starts webcamming, So so my guys are
going to be able to go on. It's a great
way to keep our brand alive. Uh, it's a great
way for me to be really engaged in the AI
space and to be watching the technology change and some
so AI heavy, But I knew I didn't want to
create any adult content anymore, so it just made sense
sebas separate. Now, I'll never put AI content on my
other platforms because I want people to know that's real content.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Those are the photos you and I shot, the solos,
We shot all that. But for people who want to
go further, like, I have some fans that'll come in
the messages and I'll be like, look, this message is
a heavy emotional lift for me. I don't want to
sex with strangers. I don't want to build a fake
relationship with you because you think this twelve ninety nine
a month is like lay away on my vagina. Like
it's not. But I do have an idea. You can
go over to my oh Chat and if you like
it and you sign up, and you send me some
of your favorite pictures of the DM, I'll give you
a discount on this platform.
Speaker 1: So I don't get dinged for sending people to another platform.
Speaker 2: I'm very cautious about how I do it. I know
what to do, I know how to do it. But
I'm also not asking them to break their lease with
my main platform, because that's where I answer actual messages myself.
It's a matter of knowing what is someone's budget to
spend on you monthly, and how many of your platforms
can you have them working off.
Speaker 3: Right, and how many people seem happy with that kind
of dichotomy.
Speaker 2: So far, everybody's loved it, you know. And I have
a couple of fans that'll come back and all being
the messages. I do it alive, ask me anything once
a week on my of and like, so I was
chatting with your digital twin, I'm like, how to go. Well,
I won't tell you all the things I talked to
her about because I know that you'll block me. It
was great, and I'm like, good as long as it's
between you and her, and just keep it going that way.
I'm just trying to express to my fans like I
lived an incredible thirty five year career and I just
want to have new conversations now, and everybody should have
a right to have new conversations. I would say seventy
percent of my of base is sports fans, and we
talk like I'll sit on my I'll be uploading content
for the week during games and I'll be back and
forth in the messages over I have every fans favorite
team listed on their notes, if they play fantasy football,
if there are sports better like all the things, so
I know if the Packers get in and get a
hit up Chris and be like, my gosh, I was
a great touchdown. How'd you love it? And I know
we're all watching the same games. So I've found a
way to make it a vehicle for who I am
now and then on my wall they could enjoy who
I was.
Speaker 3: It's nice to have that one thing to like definitely
bond over, yeah with other people. Yep, yeah, So I
mean AI obviously is like become a big part of
our lives.
Speaker 2: Like it's not going anywhere, It's.
Speaker 1: Not going anywhere. It's a great tool.
Speaker 3: I use it myself as really helped me be able
to complete a lot of.
Speaker 1: Tasks that I went to the otherwise do Like there's
just no way.
Speaker 3: There's still a lot of creators that feel very strongly
that AI is like the end of our industry.
Speaker 1: What would you say to people like.
Speaker 2: That, I would say, I remember this from the Internet
Internet end. I remember the Internet and the tube sites
being the end of the industry. I remember companies who
I bought my scenes back from because they were leaving
the industry and they were either going to go into
the toy business or they were like the Internet everything's
going to be still, Like why don't you give it
a year? What don't you see? So the same fear
that we're seeing with AI is very similar to me
is what we saw with the Internet. Remember I was
raised by a father who still to this day does
not trust an ATM machine. Okay, he will walk into
the bank. Well, walk into the bank. They limit how
much you can take out now, so they'll want to
send you outside to use it. And he's like, I
don't trust it, you know. So I've been in the
world of people not trusting technology. But I think the
creators need to understand this is an opportunity. The one
thing that will never be replaced is you, and you
need to get out and do live events. You'll be
more well known than ever because of the Internet, because
of AI, because of all these things, but no one
will ever replace the intimacy of a real scene, the
way the skin gets moister, as the sweat starts to build,
the veins start to come out. All of the things
that happen during a real sex scene will never be
replaced by AI. There's no way the tech can that
get that good. So I believe that the scenes will
always be valuable. But I think this is a great
time for everyone to check themselves. Don't show up and
set with shoddy nails, you know, don't do your best
works that you're always able to be hired, because there
will be less need for as many performers.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are really mostly afraid
of being completely replaced by fake AI models. And there
are some platforms that actually welcome fake AI models and
sell them as you know companions.
Speaker 2: Oh there's a ton of men that are running these
fake II platforms. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also like I've even had ads that pop up
on my Instagram saying like run an agency. Yeah, powered
only by AI girls. Like they won't talk back to you,
they you know, won't. They don't need to be paid,
and they'll do all the scenes that you want.
Speaker 2: One thing I advise for everyone is get your AI trademark.
You know, that was really the holdout with this SAG
strike during the pandemic, and it was very important me
being a member of SAG, I was able to be
well informed that putting that dot ai after your trademark,
the realleasa and dot ai is so valuable because now
that I have that AI trademark, I'm actually leasing my
AI likeness to O chat ai. If I want to
pull it back, I own the trademark. I also now
with that trademark, have an attorney that can go out
and see who's using my likeness for other AI products,
then I can go to them. It's either a C
search assist or you pay me daily. It's about being
ahead of it and owning your AI trademarks before other
people do. This is like the domain Chaine. When the
Internet started, there were people that were smart and they
went out and bought like Lexus dot com and Toyota
dot com, and back then there weren't squatter laws yet,
so these companies had to go and give these people
hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the domain they
want it right, So be proactive in understanding this space.
Even if you don't want to have an AI likeness
of yourself, get your AI trademark and protect your brand
in your likeness.
Speaker 1: I didn't actually know that that existed. Yep. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yep. I've had mine for three years now. Yeah, all
of my names and likeness has a dot AI.
Speaker 3: It's crazy too because I still I mean, I remember
seeing this like maybe a year ago and being shocked,
and I thought that most companies pull back from it.
But I've seen some recent posts where you know, some
studios are sneaking like the AI clause into the model
releases saying, oh, and by the way, you are granting
us to use your likeness for AI imperpetuity. We can
do whatever you want with your likeness. And like if
you're not reading your contracts, which let's be honest, like
most people aren't.
Speaker 2: Well sure, And also if you've worked with the same
company for ten years, you don't realize half a page longer.
You don't even think about it. You trust them, You've
built a relationship with them. You know. That's the downside
of any business is taking advantage of those who are
not able to have the time to find toothcomb. But now,
whenever you get a contract, cut and paste it and
put it into AI and tell me my top five
concerns and my top five bonuses with this deal and
where and it will.
Speaker 1: Come up with AI.
Speaker 3: I had to like filter out the AI clah that
you don't want to sign.
Speaker 2: Every deal I sign. Now I put it through and
I'll get my ten leeks. Where is it the worst
for me? Ye?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I use it for that too. It's super helpful.
Speaker 3: Your core fan base has been with you across multiple
completely different careers.
Speaker 1: That kind of loyalty is unusual. What do you think
you've given them that keeps them.
Speaker 2: Showing up consistency. You know, I haven't changed my look
on them. You know, the guys that love brunettes. I
didn't walk in one day as a blonde. I kept
my weight kind of the same. I didn't do tattoos
or things that change, and so I kept what they
fell in love with in the beginning. Although I've aged,
and you know, every day I get this, you're looking old,
And I say, well, obviously, I feel fine. I'm not
worried about it. I feel like I look fine. I'm
not worried about it. But at the same time, the
funny thing is, I say, aging is a gift that
I hope everyone receives, And yes, you are going to
look different your face, you are going to look different,
It's obvious. But knowing that and being able to say
this is just inevitable. My fans that have been my
fans forever like me at every stage. You know, I've
had multiple different size boobs through my career. So we've
done a digital twin with the big, big big boobs
and then the next size boobs. Because some guys are
like I liked you with bangs and the biggest boobs
you had You're Thicker era. I'm like, okay, great, we'll
do a twin for that era. You know, it just
you kind of transfer your looks. But I think it's
the consistency I've given them. I think it's that I've
never gone dark. You know, I've never just been mi
I A. I always respond to messages. I stay kind
of on the pulse of what's going on in the world.
I make conversation. I do lives every week, no matter
what I do in Instagram Live or Facebook livee every week.
So I'm always trying to give them the access to
have some communication with me in real time and just
share life stories.
Speaker 3: Speaking of boobs, yes, you took yours out. I can
you tell us what led you to that decision.
Speaker 2: Let's give you a side view, because I think the
side view is always the most shocking to everybody. Well,
I my initial goal was by fifty five be back
in my natural body, just for health reasons. To know
that when you're getting implants, you should be prepared to
be removing them every ten years. The warranty ends in
ten years, so you really want to take them out
and put a new second.
Speaker 1: That scares me. About getting implants, and.
Speaker 2: I think now doctors are more afraid to tell people
this because they're worried about the spend on the other end,
because when you get them in it's one fee, but
then each time after that, it's getting them removed and
put back in. I remember, though, it's more, oh, it's
My first move job was twenty five hundred. My last
boob job was thirty five thousand. Wow, and then this
was overall close to fifty To have full reconstructive surgery
and have them completely removed, I just knew that I
wouldn't want to go into another elective surgery in my
sixties or seventies. I'd like to save that for a
facelift when I need it, Like you know, you're gonna
do some plastic surgery. Not afraid to admit this. And
also I started getting really into yoga and I'm not
shooting and I'm not doing appearances that I just realized,
like it's time, and I'm so glad I did it. It
was March twenty twenty five. I did it quietly. I
didn't tell anybody I was doing it. My doctor. I
go to my same doctor in Fashion Island, so I
stayed down there at the beach like it was like
a whole resort thing I had aftercare. It's been amazing
to see how different you feel when you don't have
a foreign object in your body, because your body is
constantly working to protect your body from foreign objects. So
my energy level increased by like forty percent. My sleep,
I have never been a good sleeper. Now I am
such a good sleeper. I sleeped so sound. I wake
up feeling so good. I have no neck, arms, shoulder weirdness.
Because you can't lay on your stomach, you can't do things,
and I just feel great. I'm glad I did it.
It was not easy thing to talk about, and I
waited till this year to put up the one year
anniversary post on my Instagram sharing with people. I did
this because I can fake people out, Like if they
don't really notice how I carry myself, I could fake
people out. And of course there's a lot of comments
that I get daily, talking about in a positive and
a negative way. But my health is what's important, and
the fact that I didn't want to have a foreign
object in my body anymore was just I just couldn't
wait till fifty five. I was like all right, I'm
gonna do it early, and I feel great. I'm so
glad I did it.
Speaker 1: What are some other things that you've done to like
maintain your looks and just like your ability to move
through life. It seems like the same as you did
twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: I mean, you are one thing I have to say
that I really admire about you and.
Speaker 2: Maybe cry or I'll get made fun of.
Speaker 3: You know, I've always felt like if anyone was going
to write like a handbook on how to manage the
adult industry or just to navigate through life, would be you, because,
like you know, I still remember, it's so funny every
time I stay in a hotel room, I still remember
how you said that you always put your room key
on top of the TV.
Speaker 2: Yep, and now there's no top, so you have to
put in front of it. I know, I know, because
they're all spot every time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also that you're never like scrambling for your room.
Speaker 2: Spots since I first went in my first.
Speaker 1: Time hotel room. I think that because you have, like
it's a silly.
Speaker 3: Small thing, but you have all these really great basically
like life hacks, right, Like you're full of life hacks,
and I I just don't know, like how you managed
to be so just have your shit together.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it started being on the road alone
and reading a lot, and learning that if you turn
things into a habit, then they no longer take blood sugar,
they no longer tax you to think about doing them.
So getting into the hotel and knowing my keys going
right there, it's not even a thought anymore. It's just
a habit. And so I learned those things from studying
the world alone on the road. This was before the internet,
so you're reading books. I was going into conference rooms
for people talking. I remember sneaking into a Tony Robbins
like a holiday in and like ninety five, you know,
like just I'd see the little board that had the letters,
Oh think I'll go get that show today and get
this still that free book, you know. But it's about
it's about really thinking how can I make my life
the easiest. And I'm one of the fortunate people that
loves the gym. I know a lot of people don't
love the gym.
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 2: I know that I have most of my friends don't
love I love it. On my days off, I'm like
two hours I want it so that the gym.
Speaker 1: What is it thing you love about the gym.
Speaker 2: I love how I feel after a great work.
Speaker 3: I do too, but the time during the time, so
two hours before you get to the apple.
Speaker 2: I love it for my mental health because it's the
one time of the day I listen to music. I
don't listen to music often because I'm always listening to
sports news. So one time the day I listen to music.
I take a different phone that doesn't have my messages
or my emails, so I'm not distracted by people. And
it's something that's purely for me. And so I'm like,
this is my adult rec this is what I get
to do before a long day of work or at
the end of a long day of work. This is
something I'm doing. Doesn't make me money, doesn't matter to
anybody but me. So it's like this selfish thing where
it's like, this is my my thing. But it's also
helped me with aging and I sauna, I do cryotherapy,
I do be twelve injections. You know. I do as
many healthy modalities as I can. I'm addicted to the
hyperbaric chamber, Like I love going in the oxygen chamber,
Like there is not a better feeling than that. I
understand why Justin Bieber sleeps in one, like I get it.
Speaker 1: Puzzy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Hyperbaric chowers are awesome, especially after a surgery.
I mean, it takes your scars away. I did ten
days straight after my implant movie.
Speaker 1: I did, okay, So I'll let Masha tell you this story.
Speaker 3: At some point after I got my bb all, I
did hyperbaric chamber and I was so high on valume
and I had to pee and I couldn't get out,
and I totally like pissed myself the night.
Speaker 2: Do you have to lay on your stomach y?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, I had to like lay on my back and
they like put me the wedges up so my butt
didn't touch it.
Speaker 2: And did you have the long last ones where you
slide in or was it a bag zip around one?
Speaker 1: No, it was a long glass you slide in.
Speaker 3: But they give you like the little like container to
pee in. But like I'm like on my back, I
can barely move, like I couldn't get it in there,
and I'm drinking a lot of water because I'm dehydrated
from all the fucking pain bills I'm on. And then
I had to like sit in like my cold peef,
like forty five minutes because they it takes them like what,
I don't know, fifteen ten minutes to compressed.
Speaker 2: You can't ide your head. It's like diving.
Speaker 1: You can't do it.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: And then I just came out and then Magra just
looked at me. She's like, did you piss yourself there?
I'm like, yes, I love that.
Speaker 3: The girls running the place were just like I love
that I brought them a Starbucks gift card.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's all It's all about the combination of
things that I've done. Yeah, and I but I again
I preface this with not everybody loves a gym. I'm
very lucky to have that trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk a little bit about some sports
moments for you. Okay, you have a nixed ticket giveaway story.
Speaker 2: Please I do. My friend Brandy shout out. So a
couple of years ago, I was doing promotions for ticket
rev and Jason Shatsky, the owner of the company, came
to me and he said, Hey, We're going to do
a Knicks ticket giveaway. You'll go to the game with
the bird. Oh this is awesome, right up my alley. Right, So,
we're going to run a contest. I'm promoting it. So
of course he's giving me all the list of the
Instagram accounts that have put in for these tickets, and
when I go to check them on my Instagram, they're
all blocked. So I'm like, well, I can't obviously take
somebody that I already blocked. Obviously this person's a total
fucking creeper. And then all of a sudden, this woman
pops up, Brandy. She a lawyer. I'm like, ding ding ding,
taking Brandy. Brandy had no idea who I was. At
first she thought she won both tickets, and then I
had explained where, no, I go with you. So she
goes and she tells her friends that are married her
sister or sister's husband. The women knew nothing about me.
All the men were like, no way, you go into
a game with Lisa, and like, this is amazing. So
we had dinner beforehand, and she told me that she
had no idea who I was, and then she was
intrigued about my life. I was intrigued about hers, and
we've been friends ever since. It's been probably three years now.
But it was just so funny that she's just die
hard sports fan, so like her and I will be
texting all night tonight. So it was a next game
and we'll both be watching and we'll both be texting.
But it was a neat experience and it was a
cool way to make a new friend.
Speaker 1: Was it kind of.
Speaker 3: Like a nice moment to meet somebody who didn't know
who you were and then they like find out who
you were and maybe have some pre conceived notions about
you and then go out to dinner with you and
discover that you're not who like society says you should be.
Speaker 2: And you know, Brandy is, I want to say a
little bit under thirty. And I think the younger generation,
I think her generation was raised so beautifully that they're
just not as judgmental. They want to meet you first.
No matter what you do for a living, They're not
going to put a label on you until they meet you.
So she was like, Yeah, when I found out what
you did, I didn't think anything of it. It's not
something I would ever know you for. But my guy
friends were like, she was so popular, da da, and
she just treated me like a human. So yeah, it's
always nice to have that kind of an experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's next? For Lisa Anne.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the rest of this year consisting of
finishing the book, doing live tours? Is there anything else
on the horizon that we should know about.
Speaker 2: I would like to do a lot less. The goal
right now is do less of everything. I am living
my softest life. I am living my quietest life. Like
I call this my silent era. You know, when people
are like, where's your podcast? You don't do it anymore?
Why aren't you un serious anymore? I'm like, I'm sorry,
I'm in my silent era right now, not adding to
the vortex as much, but really just continuing to write.
I would like to write a series of guide books
after I released this book of different things from the
industry to taking care of yourself, just simple even guides
for creators coming into the space, how to really monetize
forever on content. Me, I owned so much of my
own content, and when I meet other people that are like,
I didn't create any of my own content, or I
shot it and I didn't organize it. I didn't save it,
I didn't put a hard drive, I don't know where
it is. So really about that organization, because porn is
not time sensitive. I'm going to keep repurposing these scenes forever, forever.
So that's really what's next, and just enjoying life at
a different pace. And that's been the mission for the
past two years, is to just find that base. You know,
I'm fifty four. Now you start to really think about retirement.
It's not that I don't want to do anything, but
I'd like to do less things that I'd like to
be able to help more people. I'd like to volunteer
at a nursing home. I'd like to do things and
work with the elderly as much as possible. There's just
things I want to do that aren't front facing, and
now I can finally see them. And I also have
quite a few friends that have already retired in the
past couple of years and watching their facebooks, like I'm
living through every wildflower park in the world. They're going
to travel and hiking and just just living. Yeah, you know,
it just looks so exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely. Ever since I had kids, the.
Speaker 3: Way that I saw the world kind of changed and
I would also like to do less.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing a very good job of that, but.
Speaker 2: Not right now. That is my ultimate You have time,
You're way younger than me. But it's something to plan for,
like it's something to look forward to, spending more time
with your friends, just spending more time at home, cooking
your meal, doing all those things.
Speaker 1: Well, Lisa, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
Speaker 3: Do you have a bunch of Patreon questions which we
are doing a separate segment for my Patreon members only,
that's you buy I know, right?
Speaker 1: Can you give everyone a little.
Speaker 2: So all of my social media is the same, it's
at the real Lisa Anne. Please don't fall for imposters.
There's so many scammers out there, and whether it's me
or someone else, stop giving strangers money on the internet.
Stop doing it, stop doing it, stop getting scammed. Stop
falling for the fact that you think I'm dming you
for three hours a day because I don't DM, but
I do run my only fans at the release An
and I also have a mainstream platform I'm really proud
of called subs. It's also the release and and I
host one on one video calls and it's been a
great way for me to meet up with my fans
from I met in Australia and in Finland and people
from all over the world that have already met me
in person. We now get to touch base once a
month and I get to see where their life is.
So I'm loving all of the relationships that I built
throughout my career. So everyone could just find me at
the release aand please be nice. If you want to
be mean, I understand we're living in a rage bait era,
but please don't. It's awful.
Speaker 3: Please stop absolutely, and you guys can find me at
Holly Randall on Instagram and on Twitter. Go to hollylinks
dot com for access to all of my platforms. Thank
you again, strip Chat so much for sponsoring this podcast
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