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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>And the troops that have been to war and now

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<v Speaker 2>they're back and think and be grateful for their service.

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<v Speaker 3>Sacrifice, love for their country, just unselfishness, all that they

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<v Speaker 3>do for us.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some people in this country who take extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>steps to provide for the freedom and security.

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<v Speaker 1>We forget that those people exist. We know them as

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<v Speaker 1>the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard. They

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<v Speaker 1>call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors, devil.

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<v Speaker 2>Dogs, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>We call them fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, mothers, daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and wives. We call them friend and neighbor. These

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<v Speaker 1>veterans answered the call, now we answer theirs. They are

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<v Speaker 1>the best our country has to offer, and we love

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<v Speaker 1>them well. Today we honor them, and we certainly David

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<v Speaker 1>Malsby is your host, and he welcomes you to this

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<v Speaker 1>community of veterans. As together we are building.

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<v Speaker 2>in the studio with us today, We've got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of combat veterans with us, one currently in our program,

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<v Speaker 2>one that's on staff. Can you want to introduce you stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Hey, how's it going, Kevin? I've been here before.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a program mentor at Camp Hope currently Miller Bay's mentors.

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<v Speaker 3>I've my graduate graduated almost two years ago, so I've

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<v Speaker 3>been working at Camp Hope ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>And Branch where you served?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Army? Yeah, I was in the Army sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a multiple performance. Those days are long behind me.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the rearview mirror, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What years did you go so I went in oh

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<v Speaker 3>five oh six, eight oh nine, eleven, and twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>So you guys huddled crossover on your second one at

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<v Speaker 2>least tarrent time wise. Anyway, Uh, you want to introduce yourself, Mario,

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<v Speaker 2>just tell the world here you are.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Marco Marco.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I can't remoon right.

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<v Speaker 4>From Pasadena, Texas Army deployed OIF one and OIF O

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<v Speaker 4>eight oh nine, and I'm a resident at Camp Hope

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<v Speaker 4>and grateful to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>You originally from Pasadena, Yes, sir? All right, so just

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<v Speaker 2>down the road, local boy. Yeah. Absolutely. We don't get

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of those that are that close. When

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<v Speaker 2>we have some some that eventually ended up here, but

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't necessarily originally from here. But it takes all kinds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we let a few Yankees in. We talked about that

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm a Houston resident. I thought i'd say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I didn't either, Yeah, yeah, when I was Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>never mind, it's not pertinent to the show. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised to live here, but now I wouldn't live

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<v Speaker 2>anyplace else. It's just kind of how that's worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't, I don't want to go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it here, man. Yeah, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I love fishing, and man, there's plenty of that here,

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<v Speaker 3>so many little ponds and lakes everywhere. So it's I'm

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<v Speaker 3>joining it. Community is awesome. I'm even though I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>a Rangers fan, you know, so a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>We may have to run you through the program again

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<v Speaker 2>to go back through there. Clearly we didn't get everything

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<v Speaker 2>cleaned out of the closet. Yeah, there's plenty of fishing opportunities,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, ponds, lakes. There's a big pond out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and get out on a boat and go for it

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, do some deep sea fishing. So plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of opportunity for that. Do you go fish.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a big fisherman. My thing is mountain bike.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Well we got lots of mountains, not that

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<v Speaker 2>much more cross country style mountain biking here in the

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<v Speaker 4>But after I got out, I did move to Colorado Springs, Colorado,

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<v Speaker 4>So that's where I picked it up. Yeah, probably gonna

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<v Speaker 4>Situated with my.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids, got an aunt and uncle who lived there, and

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<v Speaker 2>that used to be our spring break. We would get

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<v Speaker 4>It was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, drive at Colorado Springs for the week.

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<v Speaker 4>It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Gonna take a quick break here in just

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<v Speaker 2>a moment, I wanna give you a phone number eight

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<v Speaker 2>seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three. That's

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<v Speaker 2>our combat Trauma support line. Eight seven seven seven to one,

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<v Speaker 2>seven seventy eight seventy three. Will be right back and

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<v Speaker 2>we welcome you back Real Hope Radio. Glad to have

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<v Speaker 2>you along. Big thank you for being a part of

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<v Speaker 2>this show and sharing it wherever you can. Again, the

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<v Speaker 2>crisis number. I ran out of time. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to mention to you, when you call our crisis line number,

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<v Speaker 2>a combat BET's going to answer the phone. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely critical for those who are veterans and struggling from

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<v Speaker 2>the traumas of war. When they call our number, a

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<v Speaker 2>combat BET's going to answer the phone. Someone who's experienced it,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who has learned to deal with it and move

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<v Speaker 2>forward and has received also an edition of that an

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<v Speaker 2>awful lot of training, but pulled a lot from their

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<v Speaker 2>own experience while you're chatting with them. But they also

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<v Speaker 2>have all kinds of all kinds of training to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to handle that phone. So eight seven seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>one seven seventy eight seventy three. Uh do you do

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<v Speaker 2>you like crawfish? That's the question of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's all right, it's a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 4>It tastes good, but it's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Work as in eating.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of work as in eating.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, well, and I agree. I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a steak guy.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. I like beef, okay, but if crawfish

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<v Speaker 2>showed up, I'd be happy to eat it. Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm a fellow food I understand. But I do

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<v Speaker 3>like crawfish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like to tell folks, our quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote official tagline would be hope and healing for the

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<v Speaker 2>unseen wounds of war. Our unofficial taglines we like to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>Just keep it real.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>So, those of you in the Houston area, particularly those

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<v Speaker 2>of you on the northwest side of Houston, this coming

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday is a great event put on by a couple,

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<v Speaker 2>a married couple in Cypress. So if you're anywhere around

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<v Speaker 2>the Houston. Are you know exactly where Cypress is? But

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<v Speaker 2>the Cypress VFW will be the eleventh annual Plumber's Crawfish

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<v Speaker 2>Boil Saturday, May eighteenth. Chris and his wife Susy are

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<v Speaker 2>both local school teachers, give an incredible amount of time

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<v Speaker 2>and energy into making this a great event. Every year

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<v Speaker 2>they've donated over one hundred thousand dollars through this crawfish

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<v Speaker 2>event that up until this past year they did it

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<v Speaker 2>in their front yard. It was the craziest thing in

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<v Speaker 2>the World's just and Chris is a he's a school teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>His wife also school teacher, so you know they're making

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<v Speaker 2>they're bringing down the cash right there. But Chris served

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<v Speaker 2>and like many, he's buried too many of his buddies

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<v Speaker 2>after coming home and he finally decided he needed to

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<v Speaker 2>do something. They found out about Camp Hope and they

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<v Speaker 2>started just a little crawfish bull invited the frints over

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<v Speaker 2>and they've raised one hundred thousand dollars doing that. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's grown to the size that they keep adding friends.

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<v Speaker 2>They've grown to the size that they do now do

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<v Speaker 2>it in the parking lot the VFW and Cyprus right

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<v Speaker 2>on two ninety But that will be Saturday afternoon beginning

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<v Speaker 2>at one o'clock and it'll run late into the night.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh if you have a little crawfish hunger going on,

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<v Speaker 2>come on out raising money to support Camp Hope. It's again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's two amazing individuals that give so selflessly of their

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<v Speaker 2>time and energy and make this thing happen. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>over one hundred thousand dollars they've raised over the last

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<v Speaker 2>ten years. This pretty impressive. Just a couple of school

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<v Speaker 2>teachers that say, hey, here's something we can do. We

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<v Speaker 2>can buil crawfish and have a good time. So I

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<v Speaker 2>planning on being there and would love to see you

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<v Speaker 2>there as well. All right, Marco so Pasadena, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your claim to fame in high school?

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, my high school years weren't that good. Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom she was actually terminally ill during my high

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't go to school that much, so I was

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<v Speaker 4>I got my ged in ninety nine. I was initially

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<v Speaker 4>scheduled to graduate in class of two thousand, went back

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<v Speaker 4>to work full time. And so I had one job working.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a place in the southeast side called Magneto Distributors,

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<v Speaker 4>Magneto and Decent Distributors. I was the warehouse guy for them,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was the one job I had before joining

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<v Speaker 2>Who were you living with?

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<v Speaker 4>My mom lived with me, okay, gotcha? So I had

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<v Speaker 4>I took care of her and my two sisters, and

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<v Speaker 4>then her boyfriend became her fiance, and then her and

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<v Speaker 4>the army.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha? So why the army?

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<v Speaker 4>The Army for me was number one my uncle, my

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<v Speaker 4>mom's brother. He's the oldest out of my mom, one

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<v Speaker 4>of seven. So he was in the army. He served

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<v Speaker 4>in Germany. And then my high school counselor, mister Gary Hips,

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<v Speaker 4>he was in Apache Pilot. So those two and one

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<v Speaker 4>of the movies me and my mom saw together before

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<v Speaker 4>she passed away was Forrest Gump actually, so believe it

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<v Speaker 4>or not, me and my mom watching that more Sump

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<v Speaker 4>motivator for it, you know, you know, the connection with

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<v Speaker 4>his mom and the tragedy and all that. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>if he could do it, I mean, who who can't.

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<v Speaker 4>But I wanted to be a teacher, so that was

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<v Speaker 4>that was my goal, you know, pre nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>So I joined July two thousand and one, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know in basic training when nine to eleven happened, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, changed everything.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, right, and so having joined pre nine to

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<v Speaker 2>eleven time, basically relatively speaking, peace we weren't at war

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<v Speaker 2>with anybody. Cold war had been completed, could have been

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<v Speaker 2>at least conceived. You could have gone and done a

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<v Speaker 2>four or five years stamp. Yeah, that would they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to face war. Just this is my job right now,

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<v Speaker 2>helps me get ready to go do school or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>else you want to do afterwards.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the intent because you know, with my

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I was I needed to find a way

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<v Speaker 4>be a teacher. I wanted to be a basketball coach

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<v Speaker 4>and a math teacher. So that was the goal going in.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of stuff changed after my deployments.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, when did you join?

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<v Speaker 3>I joined on November ninth, two thousand and three. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was after nine or whatever. Yeah, which kind

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<v Speaker 3>of that's what led me to joining. I'd always wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to join kind of you know, I was a gung

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<v Speaker 3>ho kid, you know, took playing war to a new

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's a new level. Yeah, welcome to Iraq.

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<v Speaker 2>They rolled up red carpet. Right, glad you guys are here.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh oh man. All right, So you join h

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<v Speaker 2>pre nine to eleven by a few months, sir. You

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned you're in basic when it.

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<v Speaker 4>Happened, Yes, sir, we were getting issued Class a's and

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<v Speaker 4>the ladies that worked there, they were listening on the

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<v Speaker 4>radio and I guess they thought it was the joke,

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<v Speaker 4>you know at first, and then we found out it

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<v Speaker 4>was not a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I just recall, you know, when the first

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<v Speaker 2>plane hit, it got everybody's attention clearly because that's not normal.

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<v Speaker 2>But we didn't know exactly what it was until that

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<v Speaker 2>second plane hit. Then we knew what we were up against.

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<v Speaker 4>People were thinking it was an accident.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, not two of them weren't too sure, but yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, so join the Army nine to eleven happens?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, sir? That what what changed within your you

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<v Speaker 2>know what what changed? Well? You were basic what happened?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it was one of the fun the things I've experienced.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was at Fort Knox, Kentucky, home of the

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<v Speaker 4>Armored Division, and they made us pull guard of our

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<v Speaker 4>barracks with Rubbert in sixteen. So that was one thing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we were, we were, we were. We didn't

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<v Speaker 4>really know much what was going on. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 4>much experience with how to get on and off post,

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<v Speaker 4>so I didn't We didn't see them, you know, because

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<v Speaker 4>they had fifty cows and everything at the at the gate.

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<v Speaker 4>Once that happened, I didn't really see any of that

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<v Speaker 4>until I got to Fort Hood, which was my first

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<v Speaker 2>When'd you make in the Hood.

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<v Speaker 4>In January of two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 2>January, all right, okay, we're gonna take a break here

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<v Speaker 2>And we welcomed back Road to Hope Prediom. Glad to

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<v Speaker 2>have you along. David Malsby. Here, we got Kevin, a

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<v Speaker 2>combat VET currently on staff the PTSD Foundation about two

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<v Speaker 2>years now. You said, that's that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we've got Marco, United States Army Vet. Two

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<v Speaker 2>deployments to Iraq, Yes, sir. Uh. How much difference was

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<v Speaker 2>there between those two deployments for.

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<v Speaker 4>You, night and day, Yes, sir. Because my first deployment

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<v Speaker 4>we had to convoy from Kuwait all the way up

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<v Speaker 4>to the crit and so that was, you know, an

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<v Speaker 4>experience that changed my life forever and then and I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have any kids up until that point, so it

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<v Speaker 4>was just leaving my my newlywed wife behind and my

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<v Speaker 4>Terminalio Mom, which was not fun. But the second time

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<v Speaker 4>was to Alisade and they flew us from Kuwait to Alasade,

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<v Speaker 4>so there was no more convoy unless you absolutely had to.

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<v Speaker 4>And besides, three months I spent out on a fob

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<v Speaker 4>a little further out west supporting the Marines. Besides that,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it was a fobbit, So I didn't leave.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't leave the base at all. You know, just

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<v Speaker 4>how we were a transportation company, so we had the Kalamars,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's the container handlers and uh so we're just

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<v Speaker 4>doing all that stuff. And they had some guys go

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<v Speaker 4>out on convoy because we ran the convoy support center

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<v Speaker 4>for Alasad and so, but it was just a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of on base operations and a lot of nymities that

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't have the first go around. You know, green

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<v Speaker 4>bean coffee, burger key, all that type of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha. I've heard a lot of stories regarding those convoys,

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty tough moments. Absolutely, we're not a war story show,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're not going to get into all that. But

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<v Speaker 2>give us an idea of just when did you notice,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, what you now know to be PTSD.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you didn't even come close to think of

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<v Speaker 2>it in those turns when you first start having whatever

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<v Speaker 2>those symptoms were for you, What was going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I mine's kind of compounded with what was

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<v Speaker 4>going on with my mom, sure also with that and yeah, plus.

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<v Speaker 2>As you mentioned, deploying while she's with that diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 4>And I volunteered for that deployment. Yeah, I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 4>scheduled to go. So but uh, you know, back then

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<v Speaker 4>when I got back, they really weren't talking about it

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<v Speaker 4>too much yet. It wasn't until maybe about a year

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<v Speaker 4>or so afterwards that they finally started to bring it

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<v Speaker 4>up to get away from the whole shell shock and

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<v Speaker 4>all that type of references. So I really didn't deal

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<v Speaker 4>with it well at all. I didn't get diagnosed until

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<v Speaker 4>twenty thirteen, So it took a lot of bad experiences,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of alcohol abuse to really feel to realize

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<v Speaker 4>that I that I had an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were still in yes, sir, if it was thirteen?

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<v Speaker 2>What No?

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<v Speaker 4>I got out in September of twenty ten. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 4>but then I didn't get diagnosed officially until January twenty third, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 4>here in Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>What led you to go.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had the alcoholism, you know, got bad in

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<v Speaker 4>the military, and it got bad after and just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>basically lost my family over it, and I had a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of instances of showing force towards my wife that

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't want. You know, I never I was never

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<v Speaker 4>And it was just like a snap, instant type thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So I knew I had a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Can want an war store, But what can you pinpoint

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<v Speaker 2>as something that drove that. Whether it was the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the jumping to anger so quickly, the self medication, something

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<v Speaker 2>happened I presume, or a series of something's that happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was the nightmares for me mostly so the

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<v Speaker 4>lack of the lack of sleep, and then I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even to this day. You know, most of my stuff

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<v Speaker 4>is convoy type stuff, so being on the road is

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<v Speaker 4>when I get really agitated. But when you go to combat,

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<v Speaker 4>you get into a mind frame that something bad is

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<v Speaker 4>going to happen, right, so you get on that high

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<v Speaker 4>alert status and coming back. I've never been able to

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<v Speaker 4>get away from that. I've always maintained that and especially

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<v Speaker 4>at a time where I wasn't getting any therapy. I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't you know, doing anything for my mental health, and

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<v Speaker 4>so it was running wild at all times. And so

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<v Speaker 4>it was just an alert status type thing where she

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<v Speaker 4>woke me up out of my sleep, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>I reacted in a certain way, you know, And that

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<v Speaker 4>was the main thing for me, besides you know, my

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<v Speaker 4>you know, during traffic or something road rage incident that

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<v Speaker 4>might happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Approximately when was it, like you mentioned her waking you unexpected?

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<v Speaker 4>That was in December of twenty twelve, twelve, So that was,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I had already been going to see them,

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<v Speaker 4>right because that was the second time I had reacted

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<v Speaker 4>in that way. The first time was after my first deployment,

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<v Speaker 4>things that I had found out that happened while I

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<v Speaker 4>and then it hadn't happened all the way until twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>So from two thousand and four it happened the first

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<v Speaker 4>time and into twenty twelve because there was a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of family stuff that had occurred, we didn't have kids

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<v Speaker 4>at first, and we had kids and several separations, and

422
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<v Speaker 4>then finally in twenty twelve, we separated for good.

423
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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, Kevin. One of the reasons, one of the things

424
00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.960
<v Speaker 2>that makes us stand out from a lot of other

425
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:16.000
<v Speaker 2>nonprofits that deal with some form of PTSD in the

426
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:20.240
<v Speaker 2>veteran community is we also run not only support for

427
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.480
<v Speaker 2>our veterans, but also support for the families. And I

428
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:27.920
<v Speaker 2>think that's that's why I asked the year because early

429
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.519
<v Speaker 2>on my experience, like two thousand and nine, so just

430
00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years before your instance, but I was

431
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.039
<v Speaker 2>running into a lot of guys that were homeless downtown

432
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:41.559
<v Speaker 2>that were twenty four, twenty five, twenty six years old,

433
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>and they came home and something like that happened. They

434
00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:47.759
<v Speaker 2>end up in front of a judge and then they

435
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:53.240
<v Speaker 2>end up homeless, and so we we very instantly knew

436
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:55.279
<v Speaker 2>we have to do something to help the family members.

437
00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>How do you see that working for our our guys

438
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<v Speaker 2>in our program.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.

440
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:09.279
<v Speaker 3>Just not talked about enough, I feel like, so I

441
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:12.000
<v Speaker 3>have experience with it myself, but just to touch on it,

442
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:14.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, PTSD believe it or not, a lot of

443
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 3>people don't understand this. You can actually pass that on

444
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:20.319
<v Speaker 3>to people that you're around, especially spouses.

445
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Is a real thing. Yeah, it is diagnosis.

446
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's one man. I mean, it's amazing. How the

447
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.319
<v Speaker 3>That's probably the greatest joy I get out of working

448
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.519
<v Speaker 3>at Camp Hope and being a part of the this

449
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 3>fellowship we have there is seeing this family support and

450
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:47.799
<v Speaker 3>the reconnect back with guys with their families, whether that

451
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:55.039
<v Speaker 3>be spouses or kids, mothers, sisters, brothers. It's amazing. And

452
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 3>you have, you know, families, you know, families need that

453
00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:01.480
<v Speaker 3>support just as much as you do his combat veterans,

454
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:02.359
<v Speaker 3>some more so.

455
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and I think this what you just mentioned

456
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:11.799
<v Speaker 2>is it tells the story of what happened. Families didn't

457
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:13.480
<v Speaker 2>know what to do. And I always kind of put

458
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 2>it in the terminology. And when Johnny comes marching home again,

459
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Like when Johnny comes home, he's got both his arms

460
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and his legs and his eyes and he looks okay,

461
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and he you know, for the most part, he acts okay.

462
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh good, just so glad he's home. Right.

463
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.880
<v Speaker 2>But I talked to one guy, one of the very

464
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<v Speaker 2>first guys I spoke with downtown. He was, you know,

465
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.640
<v Speaker 2>having legal issues, what's going on, and he had something

466
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.759
<v Speaker 2>and he came home and his mom was just so excited,

467
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, just so excited he was home and she

468
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 2>invited all of his friends over. And that was the

469
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>worst thing in the world. And it didn't she got

470
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 2>in the way, there was a push. He's in front

471
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>of a judge. None of it intentional by anybody, but

472
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 2>it was just the lack of we'll have the friends over,

473
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>but tonight's probably not the night. He was just so

474
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>tired and you know, just you're bringing home war in

475
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.839
<v Speaker 2>your mind. Give me a minute, you know. So we

476
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.000
<v Speaker 2>try to help the families understand that, which can help

477
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>mitigate some of the legal issues some of our guys

478
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>have to end up facing. All right, So twenty twelve,

479
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.759
<v Speaker 2>you went to the VA or thirteen twenty thirteen.

480
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<v Speaker 4>Twenty twelve. Yeah, I got there. I got my rating

481
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:38.880
<v Speaker 4>in January twenty thirteenth.

482
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what did they do besides just say you have PTSD?

483
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 4>So really, when by the time that I went through,

484
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 4>I was suffering from homelessness and I didn't make a

485
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 4>lot of my appointments for my physical injuries and everything

486
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 4>like that. But I was lucky to make that one.

487
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 4>So I started seeing doctor Tennessee here in Houston, and

488
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.200
<v Speaker 4>he was really helpful. How often I would at first

489
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 4>I was going at once every three months at first,

490
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:13.160
<v Speaker 4>and you know, starting with the medication and everything like that,

491
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 4>and the thing that it helped me with the most

492
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 4>antidepressants and all that is everything that I had bottled up.

493
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 4>I could no longer bottle it up and I needed

494
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 4>to release that. And it wasn't pretty. I was crying

495
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 4>a lot, but it's some stuff that I had to

496
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 4>I had to let go. Unfortunately, I didn't have my

497
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 4>family support, right my mom had passed away and my

498
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 4>my my wife decided she wouldn't didn't want to be

499
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.079
<v Speaker 4>a part of it no more so a lot of

500
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 4>it I have to sufferer alone. Yeah, and that's why

501
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 4>it's taken me so long to get to a healthy

502
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:46.839
<v Speaker 4>point in my life.

503
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, we're going to take one final break here.

504
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.279
<v Speaker 2>We'll come back. I want to dig into just a

505
00:28:55.319 --> 00:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>little bit more of of that recovery and how you've

506
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 2>gotten to the place where you are today. All Right,

507
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>we'll be back with more vote hope radium, just a moment.

508
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.640
<v Speaker 5>Who draws the ground in the place A loud baby.

509
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 5>It's the gets out man, and.

510
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:24.119
<v Speaker 2>We welcome you back.

511
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

512
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>With Kevin and with Marco, a couple of combat veterans

513
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 2>multiple tours, talked a little bit about that struggle coming

514
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>home and then self medicating and things like that. One

515
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.319
<v Speaker 2>of the things you have struggled with that I wanted

516
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.519
<v Speaker 2>to bring up and just kind of chat on it

517
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>for just a little bit because it doesn't get talked

518
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 2>about a lot. There's PTSD, actual something in the brain,

519
00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 2>that's an actual brain issue. But we also heavily deal

520
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>with what we call the moral injury, and sometimes that

521
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.759
<v Speaker 2>can be very closely associated, if not just completely hand

522
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:16.279
<v Speaker 2>in hand with survivor's guilt. I don't know what your

523
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:20.319
<v Speaker 2>story is there, but survivor's guilt is part of what

524
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with.

525
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.880
<v Speaker 4>Yes, they're absolutely so. For one, For one, having the

526
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 4>feeling that because my mom passed away on my first deployment,

527
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 4>ended up getting a Red Cross message and coming home

528
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 4>got back the day before she passed away, was able

529
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 4>to say my goodbyes, but she was no longer able

530
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 4>to speak, and so that and feeling like she gave

531
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 4>her life so I could come home safely. So that

532
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 4>was one after the funeral and everything like that. They

533
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.519
<v Speaker 4>didn't allow me to go back. I tried to go back,

534
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.240
<v Speaker 4>but they it just wasn't in the cards for me.

535
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 4>You know, I got you know, I was a lower enlisted.

536
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't you know, essential to what was going on. So,

537
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, you feel you lift the guys behind. Luckily,

538
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 4>nobody in the unit that I deployed we've died at

539
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.319
<v Speaker 4>that moment. But I've always been a very empathetic person,

540
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 4>and I've felt deeply for everyone we lost, not just

541
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.559
<v Speaker 4>on our side, but also you know, the innocent people

542
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 4>that were lost over there, you know or right so,

543
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 4>and you know, just dealing just dealing with that on

544
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 4>a spiritual level, dealing with that, you know, in feeling

545
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 4>like I don't deserve to be here, I don't deserve

546
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:40.519
<v Speaker 4>to be happy, that I should be struggling in some

547
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 4>way at some times, and then just you know, struggling

548
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.079
<v Speaker 4>to find a way to be happy at other times.

549
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 4>And I've had several buddies of mine, you know, that

550
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 4>have taken their own life, you know, and I've been

551
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, very close to that that door as well,

552
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 4>and once again, you know, feeling lucky to have survived

553
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 4>my attempt, but knowing that you know, friends outside the

554
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 4>military and inside the military, you know, have have gone

555
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 4>all the way with it.

556
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's I went back and reread a report

557
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 2>this past week in preparation for a meeting that we

558
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 2>were having. Twenty twenty one, a study came out of

559
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the Watson Institute from Brown University. So it's twenty twenty one,

560
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>so we're actually still in Afghanistan at the time. But

561
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.559
<v Speaker 2>the stat that they came up with and I don't

562
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.880
<v Speaker 2>know where they stopped counting, because the report comes out

563
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one, so you do the research and

564
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>then it takes a while to write the report. But

565
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 2>at the time they stated we had lost just over

566
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:54.640
<v Speaker 2>seven thousand troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. We had already

567
00:32:54.720 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 2>lost thirty one thousand plus Iraq and Aganistan vets to suicide.

568
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>So four to one, that's a staggering, staggering number. The

569
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>crazy thing is it's the exact same ratio believed to

570
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 2>be of our Vietnam veteran era, So four to one

571
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>for everyone that was killed in Vietnam four were lost

572
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to suicide. This is coming home. The difference was that

573
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>took five decades to get to that number. We were

574
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 2>still in Afghanistan, we were already there.

575
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Yea.

576
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 2>And as you mentioned, you've lost buddies, I'm sure you have.

577
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was gonna I was thinking about the numbers

578
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 3>in my head. My worst appointment was my first one,

579
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 3>which is a pretty bad one. We had four in

580
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.839
<v Speaker 3>my platoon killed in action. But then I was just

581
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:51.799
<v Speaker 3>kind of thinking, you know, I don't know where I

582
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 3>would draw that line of what I'm counting, platoon, company, whatever.

583
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.240
<v Speaker 3>But I've been to Yeah, I mean, I've been at

584
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.119
<v Speaker 3>least twelve to fifteen veteran, and I was in for

585
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 3>a while, so I have a know quite a few people,

586
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 3>at least twelve to fifteen. It's probably much higher than

587
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 3>that of that I served with who you know, committed suicide,

588
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 3>and then others that I've met since then, you know,

589
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 3>so it's it's up there, probably higher. And that's that's

590
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 3>just what they count as suicide. Yeah, yeah, as you know,

591
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 3>still suicide, but it's not maybe going to show up though.

592
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, drank themselves to death, you know, killing all

593
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>their major organs the Hearts. Anyway, Okay, so how did

594
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you hear about Camp Hope?

595
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 4>For me? I was actually I was at West Oaks

596
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 4>because I had I had tried another program and I

597
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 4>was I was doing okay. But then the therapist that

598
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 4>I had there, wonderful lady, Miss Kelly Anne Robinson, she

599
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.880
<v Speaker 4>actually on the way to work one morning, she was

600
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 4>struck by a garbage truck and so that just threw

601
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 4>me for a whole nother loop.

602
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 2>There's another on top of drawn.

603
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 4>And was still having some family issues with my kids

604
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 4>or you know, young adults at this time, and you know,

605
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 4>mom's not really encouraging them to reach out to their

606
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 4>dad in any shape or form. So I went back

607
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 4>to the bottle and went back, you know, to other things.

608
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.400
<v Speaker 4>And so I went to West Hols to clean up.

609
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 4>And I had some other plans and in the in line,

610
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 4>but they didn't fall through, and I'm grateful for that.

611
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.159
<v Speaker 4>And I know a lot of guys there there they

612
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 4>were talking about Camp Hope. So that was the that

613
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 4>was the second option only because the other option wasn't

614
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.719
<v Speaker 4>a treatment program. So I was going to be able

615
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.880
<v Speaker 4>to do what I wanted to do. But I couldn't

616
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 4>be more happier that that first option fell, because I

617
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 4>know I probably would have went back to drinking, and

618
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 4>you know, who knows where I would be at this point.

619
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

620
00:35:58.119 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 2>When did you get to Camp Hope.

621
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 4>In Him March twenty eighth of twenty twenty five.

622
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, see you've been there a couple of months, Yes, sir,

623
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>How you doing.

624
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing really well, you know, still struggling with some

625
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 4>of the family stuff that I got going on, but

626
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 4>just reconnecting with God. I'm glad that's such a big

627
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 4>part of it. And then you know, reconnecting with buddies.

628
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 4>You know, nobody that I served with, but we're all alike,

629
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 4>as different as we are. We were talking about people

630
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.760
<v Speaker 4>coming from other states and stuff like that. I'm happy

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<v Speaker 4>for that because moving back to Houston, it never felt

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<v Speaker 4>like home again because I had served with so many

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<v Speaker 4>other different types of people from all all walks of life.

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<v Speaker 4>I got used to that. I got used to us

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<v Speaker 4>bonding over similarities instead of looking for differences. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>having that fellowship again and being a part of AA

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<v Speaker 4>actually something that I've I've never attempted to do, has

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<v Speaker 4>brought me back from the brink.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god, thank god. Uh And you mentioned a little

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<v Speaker 2>while ago you were homeless, so I mean your mom

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<v Speaker 2>had passed, so you lost all your family. You and

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<v Speaker 2>your wife had separated, so you were fighting that battle

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<v Speaker 2>very much alone. And then you get to Camp Hope

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like they're everywhere. Yeah, Kevin, how how important

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Man, that's that's you can see the smile on.

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<v Speaker 2>My face, like even years afterwards.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh, it's yeah, it's a I mean it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the number one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when we're in the military, we have all

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<v Speaker 3>this camaraderie and all this stuff, and then when we

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<v Speaker 3>get out, we lose that period. You just can't. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't get that anywhere else. There's other things, fellowships you

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<v Speaker 3>can have here and there, organizations you can be a

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<v Speaker 3>part of, but there's nothing like a fellowship of veterans,

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<v Speaker 3>especially of combat veterans, right, And that's what we have there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the wonderful thing about Camp Hope. It's the peer

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<v Speaker 3>it's peer to peer support. And not just I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>just talking about for most from staff that work there,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about as a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, You know guys actually in the program, absolutely all right.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information on all the programs, not only Camp Hope,

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<v Speaker 2>but also our support groups that do operate somewhat similar

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<v Speaker 2>to an AA or NA type group if you're familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with those, but for combat vets. We also do it

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<v Speaker 2>for first responders law enforcement so PTSD post traumatic stress

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<v Speaker 2>Disorder PTSD USA dot org is the website PTSD USA

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<v Speaker 2>dot org and follow us on social media. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>great way for you to share our organization with your network,

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<v Speaker 2>both on Facebook and well what was formerly known as

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter now X and YouTube. PTSD US a PTSD USA

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook X and YouTube, and a PTSD Foundation of

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<v Speaker 2>America on the Instagram. Thank you for joining us. We

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<v Speaker 2>look forward to being with you again next week for

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<v Speaker 2>more of Road to Hope Radio