Speaker 1: Welcome to Dorky Out. My name is Sonya Mansfield, and
Speaker 1: you're a disgrace to depression. Joining me is my podcasting
Speaker 1: sister from another mister and the co host of Dorkying Out. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Margo d Hello, my friend.
Speaker 2: Hello, my friend. I am so filled with rage, which
Speaker 2: is I don't think was James Brooks's idea. He wrote
Speaker 2: this piece of shit.
Speaker 1: No oo boy, oh man, we are going to be
Speaker 1: dorky Out about nineteen ninety seven's as good as it gets.
Speaker 1: Directed by James L. Brooks, who I normally quite love.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Screenplay by Mark Andres and also James L. Brooks, Ours,
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson, Helen Hunt, Greg Kinnear, Coopa Gooden Junior Skeet Ulrich.
Speaker 2: Is in there for like a hot second, fucking hot
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shirley Jackson Yardley Smith also known as Lisa Simpson.
Speaker 1: And we get a little cameo by Harold Ramis little
Speaker 1: cameo by Lawrence Kasden.
Speaker 2: Oh who was Kasden?
Speaker 1: Kasden was the psychiatrist. Oh okay, Yeah, Todd Solan's shows
Speaker 1: up in there. The director of Welcome to the Dollhouse.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the House.
Speaker 1: Little Baby Maya Rudolph is for hot second as a policewoman.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, all kinds.
Speaker 1: Of little cameos. These are the things I was looking
Speaker 1: for to try to make me feel happy watching this movie.
Speaker 1: Because spoiler, I hated smooth, hated it. I didn't like
Speaker 1: it in ninety seven.
Speaker 2: To be fair, No, I've never liked it.
Speaker 1: Let's start with.
Speaker 2: Why do we pick it? I don't know. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: just need to get a rage out. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: this is where we're clearly using stuff we're already pissed
Speaker 2: off about, and we're just going to funnel it through
Speaker 2: a thing. Some people do that when their team loses,
Speaker 2: you know, or you lose your car keys, and then
Speaker 2: you just freak out about everything. Yes, this is a
Speaker 2: thing where as good as it gets, is serving to
Speaker 2: make me less homicidal.
Speaker 1: It is my punching bag today, right. Yes, did you
Speaker 1: see it in the theater?
Speaker 2: No? I thought it looked stupid from the first trailer.
Speaker 2: The Lucky I knew people who went to the There
Speaker 2: was screenings of it because I was working in entertainment
Speaker 2: at the time. I remember the Oscars and I remember
Speaker 2: just every time people talk about this movie, I'm like
Speaker 2: that just sounds like dog shit. And then when I
Speaker 2: rented it, and I think it was over the summer
Speaker 2: it came out night, I was like, this movie is infuriating,
Speaker 2: and then I didn't touch it until I wrote my
Speaker 2: book about films in Brooklyn a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: It's filmed in Windsor terrorists neighborhood next to me, so
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'll watch it again. This is
Speaker 2: two and a half years ago, and I was so
Speaker 2: filled with rage that I was like, Sonya and I,
Speaker 2: we need to talk about this. Wee day.
Speaker 1: Well, it came up I think last week in our
Speaker 1: ice Harvest episode. For some reason, I don't remember why
Speaker 1: it came up.
Speaker 2: We so in that episode we talk about everything except
Speaker 2: for ice Harvest for the most part. I guess it's
Speaker 2: such a forgett well.
Speaker 1: And for some reason this came up, and that's why
Speaker 1: we decided to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I saw this in the theater and even then I
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I I remember, and this is still true.
Speaker 1: I think the dog is very cute. Okay, there's a
Speaker 1: good give me a dog movie. Sure, And then when
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theater, I thought Greg Kinier
Speaker 1: was actually pretty good, and to me, he was known
Speaker 1: as the guy from Talk Soup. Yes, so I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: look who's in a movie with Jack Nicholson and actually
Speaker 1: doing pretty good?
Speaker 2: Like I was happy for him. I liked him and Sabrina.
Speaker 2: I thought he was really good in that the remake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like great kin Ere. I have nothing against Greak
Speaker 2: can Ear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I But my problem was even then was look,
Speaker 1: I actually kind of like Helen Hunt now, but at
Speaker 1: the time I really didn't like Helen Hunt. I she
Speaker 1: didn't do it for me, and she doesn't do it
Speaker 1: for me in this movie either, and she's terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and some of it is she's just not she doesn't
Speaker 1: do it for me. And two, that character annoys the fuck.
Speaker 2: Out of me. Let's say this. You and I were
Speaker 2: we were texting last night, and I said to you,
Speaker 2: what if I came up with something a movie, a
Speaker 2: script with people who don't talk like people, who don't
Speaker 2: behave like people, and everything happens to them doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're.
Speaker 2: Supposed to let that go and then I'll tell you
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. But David Lynch died recently and I went
Speaker 2: back to go watch Twin Peaks on Paramount the first
Speaker 2: couple of seasons, and in Twin Peaks, people don't act
Speaker 2: like people. They have weird dialogue, they respond weirdly, they
Speaker 2: dance weirdly, they dress weirdly, they eat weirdly. But there's
Speaker 2: a humanity there, like there's something like I care about
Speaker 2: Laura's parents, I care about Yeah, you know there's something there.
Speaker 2: And it's done artfully, so I maybe gets pretentious, sure,
Speaker 2: but it's done with an artistic edge. This movie is
Speaker 2: trying to do twenty things at once and it's not
Speaker 2: landing anywhere near it and everyone looks at it. It's
Speaker 2: like a toddler through spaghetti at the wall and then
Speaker 2: everybody thinks it's Picasso. There.
Speaker 1: The fact that this movie was nominated for seven Oscars,
Speaker 1: the fact that Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt won for
Speaker 1: this movie boggles my fucking mind. Like, if you have
Speaker 1: the whole premise of this movie is that Jack Nicholson
Speaker 1: is playing a romance novelist. Sure, even Jack Nicholson isn't
Speaker 1: a good enough actor to convince me that he could
Speaker 1: play a romance novelist. I don't buy it, not for
Speaker 1: one oufit but he also has like OCD, he has
Speaker 1: obsessive compulsive disorder, and he's also a racist, a homophobe,
Speaker 1: and sexist is all get out and right, he's a
Speaker 1: miserable prick and he's a fucking dick to everyone he meets.
Speaker 2: That's the movie, as we're supposed to think, aw, that
Speaker 2: poor man has a problem and that's making him behave
Speaker 2: in ways that are odd, and we all need to
Speaker 2: understand that. It's like, I know people to OCD and
Speaker 2: that are not racist, they're not homophobic people there people
Speaker 2: can be tortured by it if you're not being treated
Speaker 2: and I understand that, but I feel like this movie
Speaker 2: uses it as a reason to he won't step on
Speaker 2: sidewalk cracks and he'll use the f slur on anybody
Speaker 2: as if as a writer in New York City, he
Speaker 2: never met a gay man in his fucking life.
Speaker 1: Right, right, exactly like what. I am very curious what
Speaker 1: people who have OCD with how they would respond to
Speaker 1: this movie because it's mainly played for laughs.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. And I have a friend that's writing a
Speaker 2: book about disappility and movies, Kristin Lopez, And yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask her about this, Yeah, because she's she's
Speaker 2: she's in a wheelchair, she's in a she's disabled, and
Speaker 2: she's very I need to ask her about this because
Speaker 2: I see the world differently now when she sat talking
Speaker 2: about that book, and I wonder if I were at OCD,
Speaker 2: how would I feel about this movie how it represents
Speaker 2: somebody like me? Because does he not have Tourette's as well?
Speaker 2: I mean that's something like, oh I don't have that. Say, okay,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Yes, that was an episode of La Law.
Speaker 2: They had a guy right right.
Speaker 1: Right, but that's not what's happening here. Yes, he has
Speaker 1: obsessive compulsive disorder and he's just a fucking asshole. Like
Speaker 1: his obsessive compulsive disorder is actually played for jokes again,
Speaker 1: It's like, haha, he locks and unlocks his doors and
Speaker 1: he doesn't walk on cracks and has to eat at
Speaker 1: the same restaurant and sit at the same table where
Speaker 1: he then says a bunch of anti Semitic shit to
Speaker 1: two people who are sitting at the table so that
Speaker 1: they will leave their table so that he can sit there.
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? So New York funny.
Speaker 2: He's a New York City based writer he doesn't know
Speaker 2: any Jewish people, he doesn't know any gay people. He's
Speaker 2: never met a woman in his life to talk to.
Speaker 2: I mean, none of this makes make this make sense.
Speaker 1: No, and Helen Hunt is playing a character named Carol
Speaker 1: who has a six son, sad. She's sad, single mom
Speaker 1: who works at the restaurant, and apparently she's the only
Speaker 1: waitress that he can tolerate. So like he has to
Speaker 1: sit at her section, he has to sit at his table,
Speaker 1: and like he's totally shitty to her. He uses his plastic,
Speaker 1: like his plastic silverware or whatever. And when her son
Speaker 1: is sick so often that she maybe is going to
Speaker 1: work at a restaurant that's closer to her home, he
Speaker 1: loses his fucking shit and like hires a doctor to
Speaker 1: like go to her house and treat her son. He
Speaker 1: shows up at her house at one point. I don't
Speaker 1: think any of that's funny. This is not funny to
Speaker 1: me that he shows up at her house like a
Speaker 1: fucking psycho.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, he's in the house already treating her son,
Speaker 2: and her mother lives with her and her son. Hass Like,
Speaker 2: we understand he has asthma, but we don't know, like
Speaker 2: how bad the asthma is. Apparently it's really really bad,
Speaker 2: And I feel bad for her, but I told you
Speaker 2: one thing. Sorry, Yeah, what the fuck accent is she doing?
Speaker 2: But is heaven on doing in this movie? Because these
Speaker 2: are two super unlikable people, Why why they find one
Speaker 2: another attractive makes no sense to me. Nope, they're they're angry,
Speaker 2: they're mean.
Speaker 1: Yep. I don't buy for one second that she would
Speaker 1: go out with him. Never. What we're watching is a
Speaker 1: woman trying to convince herself it's right. In the title,
Speaker 1: this is as good as it's gonna get right she
Speaker 1: We are watching a woman talk herself into settling with
Speaker 1: a man that she knows is wrong for her, but
Speaker 1: because he'll.
Speaker 2: Pay her kids hospital bills, move to Canada. I don't know,
Speaker 2: is there really no other choice?
Speaker 1: That's the the whole movie is her like he's shitty,
Speaker 1: She's like, fuck you for being She leaves. Then she
Speaker 1: calls rights and is like, I feel banned and I
Speaker 1: was so shitty to you, and then like maybe he
Speaker 1: is the right person for me. No, he's not the
Speaker 1: right person for me. That's back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth. I'm you're watching this woman just settle
Speaker 1: for like exactly. She's thirty four and he's sixty.
Speaker 2: And she can't find I mean, and I get it.
Speaker 2: It's tough to date, and New York is impossible. I
Speaker 2: lived here. It's it's tough. But you can find someone.
Speaker 2: You know. She's cute enough to get a fireman that
Speaker 2: lives in the town like she's She could find some
Speaker 2: if that was important, If that's important to her. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing, though, what does he provide her besides the
Speaker 2: money for her son, which is important, yeah, but what else?
Speaker 2: He is nothing but a pain in the ass. He's
Speaker 2: gonna say racist shit, he's gonna be he's he's, like
Speaker 2: I said, homophobic. She hates him, and for good reason
Speaker 2: she should.
Speaker 1: He hates him. She says, like, don't ruin this by
Speaker 1: being yourself. That's what she says to him. She hates him,
Speaker 1: and he likes her because she is the only woman
Speaker 1: that like fucking tolerates his bullshit.
Speaker 2: Which is and I guess it's sixty okay, But what
Speaker 2: is once again, I mean, despite his wealth, In spite
Speaker 2: of his despite his wealth, every all the other things,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't go near him. This guy, No one would
Speaker 2: go near this guy. No one would work with him,
Speaker 2: no one would sit with him. He's awful to his
Speaker 2: neighbors at his home. Yep, he's horrible to Greg Kinnear,
Speaker 2: who's his neighbor. And he's I mean I remember at
Speaker 2: the time, like, oh, Greg, he's doing a really job.
Speaker 2: I look at it down. I'm like, this performance of
Speaker 2: a gay man in nineteen ninety seven is so like
Speaker 2: TV movie from nineteen seventy seven, just just a very
Speaker 2: fragile halting. I hope nobody else knows that I'm gay
Speaker 2: and I'm living with my.
Speaker 1: Boyfriend and he is one step above the performance of
Speaker 1: the gay neighbor in uh Sante Almo's Fire. It's where
Speaker 1: he's like holding a pink fruity drink and he's like high,
Speaker 1: like he's above that.
Speaker 2: He's a little sadder than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very he is sad. And that's that's the
Speaker 1: So there's the Helen Hunt storyline. We're gonna go through
Speaker 1: it all. But so as the movie opens, by the way,
Speaker 1: let's just go through it. The movie opens with Verdell
Speaker 1: the Dog. I think the dog is very cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always gonna win me over. That's not a problem.
Speaker 1: A cute little like Bijeon Freeze or I don't know
Speaker 1: what they call those dogs, but he's got he's got
Speaker 1: a little beard.
Speaker 2: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: He's gonna clearly pee in the hall, which you're bad
Speaker 1: dog owner. You don't let your dog pee in the hall.
Speaker 2: That's not a thing, especially if it's carpeting in the hallway.
Speaker 2: Come on, dah.
Speaker 1: And Jack Nicholson is like yelling at the dog, like
Speaker 1: don't you be here? And then he takes the dog,
Speaker 1: which then immediately starts peeing everywhere because it's not funny,
Speaker 1: and then he puts it down the garbage chute, which
Speaker 1: is to me, no, it's not funny because it's not funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, Monty Python can do that joke and do
Speaker 1: it well, but there's a tone that you have to have,
Speaker 1: you know, like a fish called Wanda, like it.
Speaker 2: Has this absurd tone. So it's not real. It's just
Speaker 2: but we're supposed to, on the one hand, really identify
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson as this tortured person and that he lashes
Speaker 2: out because he's got problems. No, he's fucking throwing a
Speaker 2: dog down a garbage huot.
Speaker 1: No, he's he's he's should go down this guy, he
Speaker 1: should go down the garbage chute. He's try okay, he's trash.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now then we meet Greg Knear. He's playing Simon
Speaker 1: his like gay artist neighbor, and he's like, where's my
Speaker 1: little dog? Where's Rudel? And like he's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, And then they find like the janitor
Speaker 1: or whatever. The maintenance man finds the dog like in
Speaker 1: the trash and Paul, isn't that funny? And then Jack
Speaker 1: Nicholson proceeds to say some of the most awful hateful
Speaker 1: ship yeah to Greg Knear and to Kuba Gooden Junior,
Speaker 1: who's playing like his gay agent.
Speaker 2: Agent friend manager, yeah, agent, his agent, his gagent. So
Speaker 2: he's and he's the one that stands up to him,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you're just lucky I don't beat the
Speaker 2: ship out of you, Like, can we just beat the
Speaker 2: ship out of him? Why are we holding back? He's dreadful.
Speaker 2: So all of that, they stop doing that. They all
Speaker 2: start like just making me so mad. Turn the fuck off.
Speaker 1: Yeah they can.
Speaker 2: None of them even go back at him or make
Speaker 2: fun of him back like they just take it. They do,
Speaker 2: And I fucking hate that. I hate hate that.
Speaker 1: So then he we meet. He like goes to the
Speaker 1: restaurant where he always eats. He's super shitty to the
Speaker 1: people that have the nerve to sit at his tape
Speaker 1: when he wants to eat.
Speaker 2: Is not funny. Sure doesn't throw him out, by the way,
Speaker 2: Like at this point the manager should be like, you're
Speaker 2: not welcome here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not welcomely, so he gets to sit down
Speaker 1: at his table. He's overheard conversations now that like Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt's son is very sick or something, and at some
Speaker 1: point he's he says something like, you know, we're all
Speaker 1: gonna die, and so is your son or something. It's
Speaker 1: like what and she's like, how dare you, like get
Speaker 1: my son's name out of your fucking mouth.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's like this, okay, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you one second to take that back, because I
Speaker 2: really don't like to hear you saying that about my son,
Speaker 2: which in real life you would take a cup of
Speaker 2: coffee and throw in his face. Yes, they get the
Speaker 2: fuck out exactly, That's what that's that's what responds.
Speaker 1: That's what they do in New York, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: I thought James Brooks was from New York. I guess
Speaker 2: he's not. I don't know anybody that these people are
Speaker 2: not from New York. They're certainly not from Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: But continue, yeah, so she she's willing to like she
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, oh sorry, but you know, so
Speaker 1: she's like fine, I'll get your food, and he like
Speaker 1: orders the same thing every time, and then he like
Speaker 1: goes home and he's like writing his book and he's whatever. Again.
Speaker 1: I never buy Jack Nicholson as a romance author, because
Speaker 1: not for one second do I believe he is romantic.
Speaker 1: But at some point, like Simon the Great Canear character
Speaker 1: needs a male model, So Skeet Oleridge is his male model.
Speaker 1: And this is like is this like right before Scream,
Speaker 1: right around scream time? Maybe right after Scream because like
Speaker 1: Jamie Kennedy is one of the dudes in there too
Speaker 1: before like Skeet Ulrich like really blew up.
Speaker 2: My neighbors, by the way, loved skull Rich and he
Speaker 2: had a show that they would watch every week and
Speaker 2: I could hear them from the group next floor. He's
Speaker 2: very he's very hot.
Speaker 1: He's but yeah, so he he's posing for uh Greg
Speaker 1: Kanear who's like I guess he draws or paints or whatever.
Speaker 1: But he invites his like druggy friends over and they
Speaker 1: start robbing him and then they beat up Greg Knear.
Speaker 1: They like they fully kick his ass and like fuck
Speaker 1: up his face and like he's in the hospital. And again,
Speaker 1: I guess we're supposed to think that's funny. There's this
Speaker 1: whole thing with Yardley Smith keeps crying in front of
Speaker 1: him because he's like so beat up, and I'm like
Speaker 1: the stuff.
Speaker 2: They played in for laps and it's like he's weird.
Speaker 2: Your friend was beating within an inch of his life
Speaker 2: and they're all thinking about themselves in this moment. Like
Speaker 2: this moment is just making me so uncomfortable right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: get your shit together. You're with your friend at the hospital, Like,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 1: Kuba Good Junior walks in and is like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like about his face.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've both been in the hospital before. If
Speaker 2: somebody had come and visited me and pulled that shit, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, get the fuck out, get the fuck out,
Speaker 2: bring me a smoothie and get the fuck out. I
Speaker 2: don't need that. I don't need you crying. I mean
Speaker 2: if I were his friend, I'd be like, dude, just
Speaker 2: so you know, the face heals very quickly. It's gonna
Speaker 2: look garish, but you're fine. This will heal quickly. Now
Speaker 2: they're balling, they're sobbing helplessly like children.
Speaker 1: Like you're a monster. Now you're not handsome, Greg Knar,
Speaker 1: He's still handsome.
Speaker 2: Green, He's still handsome, Greg Canear. He'll be fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: spoiler we see him in the next scene. He's totally fine.
Speaker 2: But it's still like a totally off putting reaction, like
Speaker 2: just not how people people anyway, people I like anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So those aren't friends. Because Greg Knear is
Speaker 1: in the hospital, there's no one to take care of
Speaker 1: the dog, so his uh gagent Kuba Junior, goes over
Speaker 1: and like picks up the dog and tries to convince
Speaker 1: the old lady neighbor to take the dog, and she's like,
Speaker 1: uh no, thank you. So he bully he's Jack Nicholson's
Speaker 1: character into taking in the dog the man who shoved
Speaker 1: it down the garbage choot. Right, Yeah, He's like, you
Speaker 1: will take the dog, and if you don't, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: beat your ass, and.
Speaker 2: Which is something he should have beat his ass a
Speaker 2: while ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Also, Jack Nicholson's character again has OCD,
Speaker 1: but only seems to have it until he's confronted, and
Speaker 1: then he doesn't have it anymore. Right, Like if he
Speaker 1: had like severe OCD, which is what we're supposed to
Speaker 1: believe he has, there's no way the dog would have
Speaker 1: ever been in his house. But whatever, he like, the
Speaker 1: minute he's confronted, he's like, he's fine, Yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 1: He's letting it happen. He's forgetting to lock the doors,
Speaker 1: he's walking on the cracks on the sidewalk, he's doing
Speaker 1: all the things like the minute he's confronted, so he
Speaker 1: takes in the dog. And honestly, they maybe could have
Speaker 1: just made a movie where Jack Nicholson hangs out with
Speaker 1: a dog.
Speaker 2: That could have been a fun movie, Like he has
Speaker 2: this turnaround with this dog. Now you and the dog
Speaker 2: go on front at Yeah, you don't get that, not
Speaker 2: this fucking movie. No, James Brooks is just wants to
Speaker 2: it's all over our cheerios.
Speaker 1: Nope, Nope. There's a very cute scene where they're walking
Speaker 1: with he's walking the dog and the dog is also
Speaker 1: jumping over the cracks and I was like, looel, like
Speaker 1: that's that's funny. Yeah, And he's like, don't you be
Speaker 1: like me, you'd be better than me. And because he's
Speaker 1: like nice to the dog, like Helen Hunt, decides to
Speaker 1: be nice to him. And what happens after that, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm like, let me, I'm like I have
Speaker 1: to actually go through my notes at this point. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, Like he he
Speaker 1: goes to the restaurant. She's because he's being nice to
Speaker 1: the dog, and he actually sits at a different table
Speaker 1: so that he can keep an eye on the dog.
Speaker 1: She decides to like be nice to him, and then
Speaker 1: he like asks about her son, like why is he
Speaker 1: so sick? What's his name? And she's like, oh, nobody
Speaker 1: ever asks about me, Like she's you know, whoha. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like he also tells her that she looks fifty. Like
Speaker 1: then he like insults her looks and she's fuck off and.
Speaker 2: Like I get it that she's supposed to play the
Speaker 2: hairried mom. Yeah, but I feel like the characterization that's
Speaker 2: going on here, it's like dialogue that doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: an accent that is from I don't know where. As
Speaker 2: a resident of Brooklyn of thirty years, I do not recognize,
Speaker 2: we do not claim that accent that she's doing. I
Speaker 2: speak for all of us here, all yeah, two million
Speaker 2: that live here. And also that hair is just like
Speaker 2: not doing her favors at all.
Speaker 1: I don't actually, I really don't understand what's going on
Speaker 1: with her hair. Oh it's like a like a fifties
Speaker 1: housewife kind of thing going on.
Speaker 2: It's really bad.
Speaker 1: The movie again, it's in ninety seven. So he also
Speaker 1: calls her like tired and bitter and like he's really
Speaker 1: mean to her. But she he shows up at the
Speaker 1: restaurant again, she's not there because she's going to work
Speaker 1: closer to home because her son is sick all the time.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I'm going to get a doctor
Speaker 1: that I'm going to pay for to take care of
Speaker 1: her son so that she will work at the restaurant.
Speaker 1: I want her to work at and feed me. And
Speaker 1: then he shows up at her house and he's like,
Speaker 1: you've ruined my whole day. I have it eaten because
Speaker 1: you're not there to serve me food. And again it's
Speaker 1: played for laughs, And I don't think it's funny that
Speaker 1: he's stalking her now at her home right and acting
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 2: Weirdo, like just no empathy at all, and that's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's no boundaries none and calls her tired
Speaker 1: and bitter and she's like, fuck you, you know, get the
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. And he goes to get a
Speaker 1: cab and she realizes her son as a fever and
Speaker 1: she like stops him, like, we need your cab, and
Speaker 1: they like all ride to the hospital together, and then
Speaker 1: he's like, are you gonna come into work today? No,
Speaker 1: dick head, She's not coming to no.
Speaker 2: Aho Ah. Again, I think we're supposed to fucking sense.
Speaker 2: Nobody acts like a person. No, nobody acts like they
Speaker 2: have their stem cell. You know, there's stem reasons their
Speaker 2: brain doesn't read their spinal cord or whatever. It's just, yeah,
Speaker 2: they they talk in a way that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: They behave in a way that doesn't make sense. There's
Speaker 2: nothing to relate to. Everything is so unrelatable that all
Speaker 2: these little moments that James Brooks likes to put in,
Speaker 2: little quick moments that are humanizing, and I like those normally,
Speaker 2: you know, like in broadcast news.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, I love broadcasting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, there's little like we did. Indeed,
Speaker 2: like right.
Speaker 1: Know, that movie's super sad and deals with a lot.
Speaker 2: Of ands too at the same time. Yeah, so that
Speaker 2: he knows how to do the tragic comedy very well.
Speaker 2: Why but he's missing it the fuck out of here
Speaker 2: this one. I'm telling you, I had steam coming out
Speaker 2: of my ears sometimes with this movie. I would just
Speaker 2: have to hit pause because I was like, I need
Speaker 2: a minute because I'm really pissed off right now.
Speaker 1: It's so bad that I went and I took my
Speaker 1: dog and put him down the garbage choot. How bad
Speaker 1: it is? Sorry, Max, Sorry, man, my big ass dog.
Speaker 1: Get in there, Get in the garbage shoot. There's a
Speaker 1: point where like he's talking to like a fan of
Speaker 1: his books, and she's like, how do you write women
Speaker 1: so well?
Speaker 2: And he says that, oh is so, I'm sorry. It's
Speaker 2: not the actor's fault, by the way, No, it's the
Speaker 2: script and it's the way you're being directed.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's not her fault. Now that's Buffy
Speaker 1: the Van Empire Slayer fans will know that that is
Speaker 1: Julie Ben's.
Speaker 2: And oh, I wondered who that was yeah.
Speaker 1: And she's she's lovely and nothing but love for her.
Speaker 1: It's not her fault that she's.
Speaker 2: No, it's not her fault. But the direction is really
Speaker 2: bad here.
Speaker 1: That's just like, how do you wraye women so well?
Speaker 1: And he says, I think of a man and I
Speaker 1: take away reason and accountability. Isn't that funny? That's so funny.
Speaker 2: Does that mean women don't have reason or accountability? Or
Speaker 2: is that mean men don't have reason and accountability?
Speaker 1: He's saying that men have reason and accountability and women
Speaker 1: go fuck himself. Yeah, I'm like, yeah accountable right, well,
Speaker 1: boomer men are all about accountability, Margot, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Oh my god, what a fucking brick. So
Speaker 1: we go back to Simon now, who has discovered that
Speaker 1: he is broke. He has no medical insurance because everything's
Speaker 1: fucking broken here in our country, and he has like
Speaker 1: sixty one thousand dollars in dead and he hasn't sold
Speaker 1: any art, and he's going to have to ask his
Speaker 1: parents for money. And again his gagent now is like,
Speaker 1: you need to drive to Baltimore and go ask your
Speaker 1: parents for money. But I'm not going to drive you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get that bigot who lives across the street
Speaker 1: or across the hall to take you for some strange reason.
Speaker 2: Right, And Greg Kenear has had nothing but a bad
Speaker 2: interactions with Jack Nicholson. He's grateful that he took care
Speaker 2: of his dog and Nicholson and his character likes the dog.
Speaker 2: Harry's got his name.
Speaker 1: He likes Superdell Verdell.
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean his character. Oh Melvin mel Oh, Jesus
Speaker 2: that name so Melvin and the yeah, so he then
Speaker 2: we get it's he basically emotionally uh tricks manipulates Helen
Speaker 2: Hunt to go to Baltimore with his with Greg Kennear, yes,
Speaker 2: and him did they bring the dog? I can't remember?
Speaker 1: The dog is like apparently the dog is so upset
Speaker 1: about going back and forth between Melvin and Simon that
Speaker 1: he has an upset tummy and he's at the vent.
Speaker 2: Okay, convenient but okay, so that gonna cost you a
Speaker 2: pretty petty hunt But okay there, But there is.
Speaker 1: The whole thing about like Melvin, I skipped over this part.
Speaker 1: Melvin gets a doctor to come and look at Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt's son, and it's Harold Ramis. We love to see
Speaker 1: Ramis and he's delightful and no, no shade to Harold Ramis,
Speaker 1: And there is truth to the scene of when someone
Speaker 1: is telling you your kid is gonna be okay when
Speaker 1: your kid is sick, that like there is a huge
Speaker 1: fucking relief. Of course, obvious.
Speaker 2: Monster, I don't know that, And I'm actually happy in
Speaker 2: that scene. I'm kind of like, where's the movie gonna
Speaker 2: go now? And Nicholson comes right the next fucking scene,
Speaker 2: like right away was up the stairs and says, I
Speaker 2: didn't need today. You ruined my day, yes, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well so there's I was bringing this up because
Speaker 1: it's she talks about like, oh, this is such a
Speaker 1: huge relief, and she like hugs it, hugs Harold Ramis
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, it's a huge moment. And
Speaker 1: then like the next thing for hers, like she's crying
Speaker 1: to her mother about like, well, now I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with myself because I don't know how
Speaker 1: to worry. I don't have this to worry about anymore so,
Speaker 1: and I don't have a man. Basically, it's like that's
Speaker 1: now that she's done worrying about her son every five seconds, she.
Speaker 2: Now has to think about trying to not dialoge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there's this whole thing where like
Speaker 1: she's like writes a letter that she's gonna give to
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson to thank him, and then she like goes
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night in a rainstorm
Speaker 1: in a T shirt and no, oh, bra, I'm wearing
Speaker 1: a jet By the way, she rarely seems to be
Speaker 1: wearing a bra in this movie, which that is not
Speaker 1: a thing for moms, by the way, we wear bras, Like.
Speaker 2: It's very Charlie's Angels.
Speaker 1: And she like shows up at his house and it's
Speaker 1: like she's not wearing a bron and it's like, so haha,
Speaker 1: it's not funny.
Speaker 2: And I'm like the Notebook except not sexy at all
Speaker 2: and really irritating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just very, very stupid. And she tells him like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sleep with you. I will never
Speaker 1: sleep with you never ever, not ever, Like okay, you know,
Speaker 1: but she but she will, she will eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. But and he's like, okay, he won't
Speaker 1: take the note. It's like whatever, who cares? Yeah, the Gauge,
Speaker 1: the the Gagent bullies Melvin into like driving Simon to
Speaker 1: Baltimore and then Melvin Bullize Carol to go with them.
Speaker 1: He says it's because he's afraid the Greg kinnear is
Speaker 1: going to make a pass at him because he's so irresistible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this six year old dick is really irresistible to
Speaker 2: Greg kennear by the way tractive thirty year olds. Right,
Speaker 2: he's super fucking injured and the last thing he wants
Speaker 2: to do probably right yeahing him this whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh so hot.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not going to give you a handy.
Speaker 2: But but they drive to Baltimore and they're driving out
Speaker 2: of the city and they're in a car, and he's
Speaker 2: got the CDs, like the different Kinds of Jesus, and
Speaker 2: it's all labeled. It's all so tweet what they try
Speaker 2: to do sometimes it's so tweety. So he has these
Speaker 2: labels for like music, and they drive there and then
Speaker 2: at one point this I don't know why, this also
Speaker 2: really annoyed me, but like they're driving and then Greg
Speaker 2: Caneer starts giving his trauma dump.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, I just I wrote in
Speaker 1: here oscar clip.
Speaker 2: That's where she's like, I want to give you my
Speaker 2: full attention. So we're going to pull over. Does that
Speaker 2: you can drive and talk? There's no like, there's no,
Speaker 2: he's not saying anything. No one's heard before. Oh I
Speaker 2: have parents that are homophobes. Oh really, never heard that
Speaker 2: story before. Yeah, we're New Yorkers. Everybody comes here from
Speaker 2: the gay home.
Speaker 1: It's true. His monologue reminds me of Wayne's world, where
Speaker 1: it's like Oscar clip, Oscar clip, Oscar clip.
Speaker 2: Like taking the ice, like throwing water at his face
Speaker 2: to look like crying.
Speaker 1: Right, and there's oh, sorry, go ahead, don't go ahead.
Speaker 1: I just say there is. There could be a whole
Speaker 1: other movie here, like if they had because I think
Speaker 1: what the movie's trying to do at some point is
Speaker 1: because he talks about like I used to draw my
Speaker 1: mother like you know, like one of my French girls basically,
Speaker 1: and you know my dad saw and he didn't like
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, And it basically happens again later
Speaker 1: like he's drawing Helen Hunt. Jack Nicholson comes home and
Speaker 1: he's like, did you sleep with her? You know, and
Speaker 1: it gets all mad. There is a movie here that
Speaker 1: could have been from like Simon's point of view. And
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, like my parents disown me and he
Speaker 1: kind of makes his own family and learns acceptance and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But that's not what this movie is now.
Speaker 1: It doesn't want to do that. Instead, it's from this
Speaker 1: like racist, homophobic bigot that it's told from his point
Speaker 1: of view for someone.
Speaker 2: And we're all supposed to think we need to be
Speaker 2: more understanding of him, Yes, and then he'll be a
Speaker 2: better person. Which look at the world we live in now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, if you don't give.
Speaker 2: Them anything, you don't give them a fucking inch. Yes,
Speaker 2: you don't know have to.
Speaker 1: We're all done with that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's part of it too. It's just like
Speaker 2: what a what a white male privileged thing to be
Speaker 2: sixty years old? Yeah, and then kind of stamp back
Speaker 2: and say, give me all the due respect I think
Speaker 2: I have, but also give me all kinds of space
Speaker 2: to make mistakes, but don't call me on my mistakes.
Speaker 2: You know I'm still better than you. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: like the mind games that are that we have to
Speaker 2: go through to deal with people like this is like,
Speaker 2: it's not that is not the center character of a story.
Speaker 2: And I know it was nineteen ninety seven. I was
Speaker 2: alive in nineteen ninety seven, a full grown adult, and
Speaker 2: I knew that was a shit movie, and a shit
Speaker 2: I guess. And I could not understand because who cares
Speaker 2: what happens in this movie after this part? I mean,
Speaker 2: honest to god, it doesn't make sense. He's painting and
Speaker 2: he's taking drawings of her, and he's how many drawings
Speaker 2: did he do in one night? He did like there
Speaker 2: for hours. I was like sixty drawings. He could do
Speaker 2: a calendar with her.
Speaker 1: He basically stayed up all night drawing her. And but
Speaker 1: before all of that, like Helen Hunt is on the
Speaker 1: phone with her son. He's like playing soccer and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's a real boy. And so she's like,
Speaker 1: I want to go out to dinner to celebrate, and
Speaker 1: great keneers like, peace out. I'm not doing that, and
Speaker 1: so she's like, well, you're taking me on a date then, Melvin,
Speaker 1: and you've made it very clear that you don't want
Speaker 1: to sleep with Melvin, so that's what are you doing.
Speaker 1: But like she gets all dressed up, he takes the
Speaker 1: world's longest shower. Apparently, they go to dinner where he
Speaker 1: is the whole way to the restaurant. He's like, they
Speaker 1: better have hard chilled crabs. They better have hard chilled crabs.
Speaker 1: I better have how fun for her? How fun?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, and then it turns out there's you have to
Speaker 1: wear a suit and a tie, and like he doesn't
Speaker 1: have that, and he won't wear the one from the restaurant,
Speaker 1: so he has to go buy one.
Speaker 2: It's like, h and he can't walk in the store
Speaker 2: because they have cracks in the floor that he can't
Speaker 2: walk on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but he'll walk on five minutes from now
Speaker 1: and totally forget that he has OCD. So he buys
Speaker 1: a suit a tie, goes back. She almost says that
Speaker 1: he looks sexy, and I was like, like, almost did
Speaker 1: a spit taker and she said it, yeah, I know, girl,
Speaker 1: be serious drunk?
Speaker 2: Are you already?
Speaker 1: And then they sit down to eat and he insult again.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm gonna leave unless you give me a
Speaker 1: compliment because that's totally how people speak.
Speaker 2: That's how we talk totally.
Speaker 1: And then he says like, hey, like, after you came
Speaker 1: over and said you wouldn't fuck me, I started digging
Speaker 1: anti depressants because you make me want to be a
Speaker 1: better man.
Speaker 2: And they work in twelve hours. They don't by the way,
Speaker 2: just waving to you over here. It's a few weeks
Speaker 2: before you see any notice, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also the whole like the movie thinks this
Speaker 1: is a huge moment.
Speaker 2: It's a hero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes, you make me want to be a
Speaker 1: better man. And she's a.
Speaker 2: Line to this movie that they think are resonating and
Speaker 2: they're just so obviously a scripted line is just I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's such an insult to the intelligence. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: the people that fall for this. I do side I
Speaker 2: you because I I'm sorry, not sorry, I I I
Speaker 2: just like, have you never seen a movie before?
Speaker 1: She's like, this is the biggest compliment I've ever received,
Speaker 1: And I'm all gross, it's so gross. Like the idea.
Speaker 2: I wonder what that that son's father looks like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's really real.
Speaker 1: He the idea of you came over and said you
Speaker 1: wouldn't fuck me made me realize that, man, I really
Speaker 1: want to fuck you. So I started taking antidepressants that's.
Speaker 2: Which kill your sex drive. But okay, it's just and
Speaker 2: I just and.
Speaker 1: Then they like I don't know, and she like scooches
Speaker 1: over and kisses him. And at no point, at no
Speaker 1: point in this movie do I believe.
Speaker 2: That she likes him. He's not likable, he had his
Speaker 2: better person self. He's an asshole. He's innoxious. Oh, he's believable.
Speaker 2: He's condescending, he's dismissive, he is completely charmless. Yes, he
Speaker 2: pays her son's hospital bills. I get it, that's a
Speaker 2: big trait to make. But he has nothing else other
Speaker 2: than that. Yeah, I mean maybe one foot in the
Speaker 2: grade with one foot the grave, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the Salt Lake City reference.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: Bless you, Angie for that line. Angie, that's gonna live
Speaker 1: in my head for the rest of my life. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's just so you don't buy it at any point.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, why did you bring me? Because
Speaker 1: she's trying to get him to say.
Speaker 2: You like me, which you know she needs that validation, yeah, which.
Speaker 1: He already just said, Hey, I'm taking antidepressants. Kind I
Speaker 1: want it because I want to fuck you so bad.
Speaker 1: But she wants more than that, so she's like, why
Speaker 1: did you bring me? And then he says, well, I
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping you'd sleep with Simons, so he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be gay anymore, which is not why he brought her.
Speaker 2: No, and it's not funny and it's too funny. It's
Speaker 2: a stupid line. And like you still don't like Simon
Speaker 2: after all of this, Like seriously, you don't have any
Speaker 2: affection for him whatsoever, all the shit Simon's been.
Speaker 1: Through, yeah, which you clearly do, because they've established it.
Speaker 1: He does like he's got him soup and he's walking
Speaker 1: the dog and like you know, all this stuff, but
Speaker 1: like whatever, So then she's like fuck you. Then like
Speaker 1: goes back to the hotel and decides to sleep in
Speaker 1: Simon's room, because again that's what a normal person does, right.
Speaker 1: They go and they sleep in a room that's not
Speaker 1: their room, and she.
Speaker 2: Takes her clothes up as she's walking in, like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take a shower and order some food. Is that okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, He's like, yeah, she has her own room,
Speaker 1: like right, but whatever, because you know it has to
Speaker 1: be that way because we need Simon to have his
Speaker 1: aha moment where he sees like a nearly nude Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt getting in the tub and she he's like, draw
Speaker 1: me like one of your French girls, and then you know,
Speaker 1: so he's inspired and he draws a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: and then here comes Jongerlesen. It's like, and no, he's gay, dude,
Speaker 1: he's gay.
Speaker 2: He didn't and and and just Jesus, dude, like, just
Speaker 2: get a grip. Just I mean, the entitlement is just
Speaker 2: off the chain. It's just the toxic masculinity of this person.
Speaker 2: And just he's just toxic in every single way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's And so they've made this trip
Speaker 1: though for no fucking reason, because Grey ken Hearn never
Speaker 1: goes to see his parents because he well, now that
Speaker 1: I can draw again, everything will be fine.
Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna live with Jack Nicholson, right, He's gonna
Speaker 2: live in the guest room because he's lost his apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then Jack Nicholson's like again super shitty to
Speaker 1: him all the time. And it's still like, you can
Speaker 1: totally stay in my apartment even though I supposedly have
Speaker 1: OCD and.
Speaker 2: I can't handle anything.
Speaker 1: I can't handle anything that's different, but go ahead live
Speaker 1: with me. So like he lives with him, And because
Speaker 1: Simon is going to live with Melboyn, then Carol's like,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not so bad again again, Carol's like, maybe
Speaker 1: he's not so bad. And I just wrote in my notes,
Speaker 1: why is she trying to make fetch happen? Like it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: This is But it's like we all know women, we
Speaker 2: all know people sorry, oh my god, we know people
Speaker 2: like this that continually. But the thing is it's frustrating
Speaker 2: and annoying. I don't need to see this in my movie.
Speaker 2: I have this in my life. Yeah, ready, people making
Speaker 2: very bad choices and then constantly like I don't know,
Speaker 2: we keep trying to work it out, but I I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 1: Gonna Yeah, there's only so much you could do. So
Speaker 1: like again, she calls him and she's like maybe I
Speaker 1: do I mean with you, and then he says something
Speaker 1: and she's like never mind and like hangs up. And
Speaker 1: then Simon's like, yeah, but you do really like her,
Speaker 1: so maybe you should go over there right now and
Speaker 1: tell her how much you love her. And it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, Simon, you're a shitty friend. You're a
Speaker 1: shitty friend. Simon, you're shitty to Helen Hunt for this
Speaker 1: and you're being shitty. Yeah, niggles in for this and
Speaker 1: so Melvin goes over to see Carol and she's like,
Speaker 1: why can't I have a normal boyfriend? And it's like,
Speaker 1: why is he?
Speaker 2: Your picker is obviously off. Yeah, the problem Carol.
Speaker 1: You could have a normal boyfriend you don't absolutely have.
Speaker 2: You're cute, you're young, you have a nice home and
Speaker 2: a nice neighborhood. Nobody could afford. That's really cute, by
Speaker 2: the way, But I mean, you've got stuff going for you,
Speaker 2: I think, and I do know people we have friends
Speaker 2: that are like single pair's that kind of feel like
Speaker 2: they're damaged good sometimes in the dating scene just because
Speaker 2: there's like you have a lot of baggage with you,
Speaker 2: and so I can understand feeling like, oh man, is
Speaker 2: this ever gonna happen? Well, I meet somebody, But like,
Speaker 2: what does she need? What does she want from her life?
Speaker 2: What does she what does she want?
Speaker 1: She is again we're watching we know nothing about her,
Speaker 1: We're watching her convince herself that this is the best
Speaker 1: she's gonna get, this is as good as it gets.
Speaker 1: And her mom basically comes out and says like, no
Speaker 1: relationship's perfect. You should settle, And it's like a big
Speaker 1: aha moment, Like, ah, I should settle. Thanks mom for
Speaker 1: the great advice.
Speaker 2: It's so.
Speaker 1: Fucking stupid.
Speaker 2: It's fucking stupid. And then he comes over to the
Speaker 2: apartment and then they're gonna walk to their next date
Speaker 2: or whatever. They're gonna walk around windsor Terrace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna walk, walk and walk in. They're going
Speaker 1: to walk to a bakery. She's in her pajamas again,
Speaker 1: no bra, and it's very distracting, and like he again
Speaker 1: says something stupid, and she's like, you need to give
Speaker 1: me a compliment. And he's like, I'm the only one
Speaker 1: who thinks you're the greatest woman alive. That's his compliment,
Speaker 1: which is what a fucked up, toxic ever way.
Speaker 2: I want you no one else because you're so crazy,
Speaker 2: because you're so difficult. You're lucky to have me because
Speaker 2: I'm the only one who sees you yes, and appreciates you,
Speaker 2: which is what an abusive, manipulative, narcissistic shit bag would
Speaker 2: do would.
Speaker 1: And then at the end, like as they're walking to
Speaker 1: the pastry shop, he's he's noticing, we've noticed now that
Speaker 1: he's stepping on all the cracks because guess what, love
Speaker 1: is all you.
Speaker 2: That is all you need.
Speaker 1: To get over OCD. He's see, he's fine now.
Speaker 2: Just needed the right woman who's willing to give up
Speaker 2: all of her standards. When you find one that will
Speaker 2: lower all of their standards to accept, you, go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's gonna lower all of her standards, and she's
Speaker 1: got that magic pussy that's gonna make it all better.
Speaker 1: And she's cured your OCD and all your mental health issues.
Speaker 1: Like this movie is bullshit.
Speaker 2: This movie fucking sucks. It's it's awful. It's terrible about people.
Speaker 2: It's terrible about New York. It's terrible about relationships. It's
Speaker 2: terrible about Baltimore. It's terrible about the dog. It's terrible
Speaker 2: in hospitals. Like, it's terrible in every way. There's not
Speaker 2: one character, not one that I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: think I know that. Sorry. The one date she does
Speaker 2: have with that really cute guy guy I recognize, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he'll put up with vomit on his shirt from the
Speaker 2: sun in order to get laid like he's like, I
Speaker 2: get him. Yeah, everybody else nobody talks like a person. No,
Speaker 2: and I don't. And once again, like I watched twin
Speaker 2: Peaks for hours last week, Like I don't need that necessarily,
Speaker 2: but it should be artistic. It should be there's like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand what the messaging is here. It's just
Speaker 2: promoting mediocrity in relationships.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's as good as it gets, right, Like, that's
Speaker 1: what it's right there in the title, like you should settle,
Speaker 1: try settling. Have you tried settling? That's the alternate title.
Speaker 2: Exactly, it's it's it doesn't you're talking to this sixty
Speaker 2: year old in cel rage aholic. Yes, asshole that has
Speaker 2: no charm. That is just and he's he's just old
Speaker 2: enough to be old, but not old enough to die soon,
Speaker 2: so he's just gonna be around for a long time.
Speaker 2: It's just there's nothing. I don't care about her. I
Speaker 2: don't care about him. I barely care about the son
Speaker 2: or her grandmother. They're just plot conveniences.
Speaker 1: Yep, they're just.
Speaker 2: Yugaguding Junior. He's doing a thing like he's fine, but
Speaker 2: it's just like once again, the script is terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was right after like Jerry. This was a
Speaker 1: year after Jerry maguire. So he's already won an Oscar, right,
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't an Oscar winner when he did this movie.
Speaker 1: He's certainly bringing a lot of energy. I'll say that
Speaker 1: he does that. That's him, he's actually doing He's bringing
Speaker 1: something a little different than what everyone else is doing.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm fine with it.
Speaker 2: I'm fine, but I am too, I am too. It's
Speaker 2: just but then, like when you look at it, and
Speaker 2: like Greg kennear, Jack Nicholson, Helen Hunt got Oscar nominations
Speaker 2: for the performances in this I I would have you
Speaker 2: know what, I'd be that happier with Kate Winslet Wednesday
Speaker 2: winning that over her. I think she's doing more in
Speaker 2: that movie, and she has a more believable accent and
Speaker 2: everything else. Yes, this movie, she's just Helen Hunt's character
Speaker 2: is just miserable and put upon and just lashes out
Speaker 2: in weird ways and like it has no standards, just seriously,
Speaker 2: no standards.
Speaker 1: I might be harder on her now than I was
Speaker 1: on this role. I should say this role not Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt per se, because I am a single mom with
Speaker 1: a special needs son and I see what she's doing
Speaker 1: here and I was like, it makes me mad to watch.
Speaker 1: So I was like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like you let's let's say, okay, this man shows up
Speaker 1: and he pays the hospital bills, and now your son
Speaker 1: is actually like healthy and like starting to live a
Speaker 1: normal life. And then you get this like time back
Speaker 1: almost like that you this energy that you can pour
Speaker 1: into yourself and improve your life, and instead she decides
Speaker 1: to pour it into Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2: Right, And I'm who has special needs and and she
Speaker 2: has to give up herself in order to feel better
Speaker 2: about herself. She has to and it's I fucking hate
Speaker 2: this movie so much hated.
Speaker 1: I feel like when Roger Ebert wrote that review of
Speaker 1: North and he's like, I hated, hated.
Speaker 2: Hate, hated this movie.
Speaker 3: I hate it, And like I go on letterbox and
Speaker 3: I see like lots of people are like three stars,
Speaker 3: three stars, five star, five star AMTV, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: not for me, this is oh my god, is this
Speaker 3: the new Meet the Parents?
Speaker 1: Where like everyone loves it except for it could be
Speaker 1: so bad.
Speaker 2: I did the IMDb and it was the same thing.
Speaker 2: I went to look at the reviews and for the
Speaker 2: original at the original time that it came out, and
Speaker 2: there were people who called out the shit you and
Speaker 2: I are talking about. Okay, good, But Roger Eber gave
Speaker 2: it three stars. Yeah, yeah, it all got like these
Speaker 2: seventy eighty percent eighty percent tile you know, positive reviews,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm it boggles my mind. It's just like
Speaker 2: every once in a while, Hollywood gets behind a movie
Speaker 2: that they've decided is really important and everybody needs to
Speaker 2: see it and it's accessible to anyone, you know, it's nothing,
Speaker 2: and then so we're all supposed to like it and
Speaker 2: it's just fucking garbage. It's just hot garbage. It is garbage.
Speaker 1: Another good example of this, go back and listen to
Speaker 1: our episode on Crash Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or American Beauty.
Speaker 1: Oh, American Beauty is an even better example. Good call out, Margo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this movie nominated for seven Oscars. I thought you
Speaker 1: might like to hear some of the other yes, please, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's start with Best Actress, because Helen Hunt actually won
Speaker 1: for this lol one one that accent. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: there's I think there's a clear person I would have
Speaker 1: voted for over her in this category. So, Kate Winslet
Speaker 1: was nominated for Titanic, Judy Dench for Missus Brown I've
Speaker 1: never seen it. I've never seen it. Julie Christi for
Speaker 1: After Glow, I've never seen it. Helen Bonham Carter for
Speaker 1: the Wings of the Dove. I haven't seen that one either,
Speaker 1: and then Helen Hunt wins I.
Speaker 2: Would have given it. Kate Winslet he too, Yeah, he too.
Speaker 2: I think she's great at Titanic. I think the movie
Speaker 2: sits on her shoulders. I mean, we're supposed to think
Speaker 2: about Leonardo DiCaprio, but I think it's her and I
Speaker 2: care about her character. I'm on her journey with her.
Speaker 2: I root for her. I yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: By the way, Leonardo Dicapro wasn't even nominated for Titanic,
Speaker 1: which is fucking bonkers.
Speaker 2: That's if that that sucks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, if you nominate her like that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. So Jack Nicholson wins for Best
Speaker 1: for Best, he is.
Speaker 2: Not good in this movie, y'all.
Speaker 1: Nope, I don't like it. So other nominees Matt Damon
Speaker 1: for Goodwill Hunting he was good in that. He's very
Speaker 1: good in that. Robert Duvall for The Apostle.
Speaker 2: He's really good in that. That's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Peter Fonda for Julie's Gold.
Speaker 2: Such a boring movie, but but he's nice. I've worked
Speaker 2: with him on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Peter Fonda side note, everybody, Peter Fonda is
Speaker 1: one of the actors in Thomas and the Magic Railroad,
Speaker 1: which is a Thomas the Tank Engine movie. It is
Speaker 1: bananas to me that Peter Fonda isn't it. And he's
Speaker 1: like in a totally different movie than everyone else, And
Speaker 1: he's so serious and looks like he's gonna cry at
Speaker 1: any moment, and everyone else was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It's dumb.
Speaker 1: Is the whacking reil? It's weird.
Speaker 2: I worked with him on his autobiography and a friend
Speaker 2: of mine worked at Sundance for Julie's Goals. She worked
Speaker 2: for that movie, and she she's said the funniest thing
Speaker 2: she said was like she was taking him to parties
Speaker 2: in Sundance, like she had to esport him, and one
Speaker 2: of the parties like they didn't recognize his name or
Speaker 2: didn't recognize him, and they were kind of giving him
Speaker 2: a hard time, and she said, Peter Fonder just said
Speaker 2: whoa abstract power trip, which I was funny and cool.
Speaker 2: That is cool. He's kind of a hippie.
Speaker 1: So Greg kinnear nominated for As Good as It Gets
Speaker 1: for Best Supporting Actor.
Speaker 2: He's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean he's fine, but the no on this is
Speaker 1: a tough category. Actually, Burt Reynolds was nominated for Boogie Knights.
Speaker 2: He was good in that. Yep.
Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins for Amistad.
Speaker 2: Never saw that. I didn't see it. This one is.
Speaker 1: These last two are tough. Robert Forrester for Jackie Brown,
Speaker 1: he's last good. But the winners Robin Williams for good
Speaker 1: Will Hunting.
Speaker 2: You know, I got a hand to him though. He's
Speaker 2: really good in that movie. And he is also is
Speaker 2: like an anchor in that movie. I think he really is.
Speaker 1: And I you know, we can't say bad things about
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, but Robert Forrester is real, real good.
Speaker 2: And Jackie Brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nominated for Best Picture. It did not
Speaker 1: win Titanic One, but also nominated The Full Monty.
Speaker 2: Like that's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Goodwill Hunting and La Confidential great movies.
Speaker 2: Those are all really good movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then did it wasn't nominated. It was also
Speaker 1: nominated for Screenplay Stop but it did not win. Goodwill
Speaker 1: Hunting won but also nomin christ Boogie Nights, which yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely constructing Harry the Woody Allen movie.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: And then the Fool Monty, which is also that's a
Speaker 1: cute movie. Yeah, and then I think that was probably
Speaker 1: everything else for that movie.
Speaker 2: All right, So here's the top ten. So this was
Speaker 2: this movie came out on Christmas. Yay, it came out
Speaker 2: Christmas nineteen ninety seven. So and I don't know half
Speaker 2: these songs. You're gonna have to help me some of these.
Speaker 2: So number ten, My Love is the sh something for
Speaker 2: the People featuring Trina and tomorrow I got nothing or Tamera.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, sorry, I think I know the song. It's
Speaker 2: Savage Garden number nine, truly Madly, deeply Savage Garden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know that one.
Speaker 2: Number eight show Me Love by Robin. Oh, I know
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: Number seven Feels So Good by Mace.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the one that it's samples something a shit.
Speaker 1: Oh well, anyway, yes, I know that song. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what it samples though, if.
Speaker 2: You, okay, you'd be like, oh yeah, Number six My
Speaker 2: Body by LSG. No, I don't know that one. Number
Speaker 2: five all about the Benjamin's Puff Daddy and the family.
Speaker 2: That's a good song. He's a creep, but that's a
Speaker 2: great song that documentary. Yeah, he's a lunatic. But number
Speaker 2: four this is a great song Janet Jackson together again.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I love that one.
Speaker 2: Number three Usher you make me wanna Yeah, m hm.
Speaker 2: Number two this is a song you Couldn't escape Leanne rhymes,
Speaker 2: how do how Do I Live? Oh? My god? What
Speaker 2: wasn't it?
Speaker 1: It was in con Air right con Air?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a great movie.
Speaker 1: It's a good song.
Speaker 2: And number one Candle the Wind nineteen ninety seven Elton John.
Speaker 1: I know I don't listen to that.
Speaker 2: I don't either. Nobody is it's a little schlocky. I
Speaker 2: mean it's it's for Princess Die but but yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's a little shocky. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What else are you dorky out about?
Speaker 2: My friend? You know? Not that much. There wasn't there's been.
Speaker 2: It's been kind of slow with the with the shows.
Speaker 2: There was the one I was watching about Huxley HBO
Speaker 2: Max or it's called Max Now. It's a documentary and
Speaker 2: it was about this couple that was a YouTube family
Speaker 2: channel and they adopt. It's a and I think they're Mormon,
Speaker 2: they're religious, they they adopt. Yeah, sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah. So they they adopt a child from Asia.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where, maybe he's Chinese, China, Chinese, China, China.
Speaker 2: He uh. They adopt this kid and they bring him
Speaker 2: to the family and then he's like the star of
Speaker 2: the videos, and then all of a sudden, he's not
Speaker 2: in their videos anymore. And then they said, oh, we
Speaker 2: had to rehome it like oh god, these people suck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's about like it's all about the business of
Speaker 2: like family vloggers and you know, how much is too
Speaker 2: much and what people and uh yeah these people wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that kid went through.
Speaker 1: Its bananas story because there's three episodes, and the first
Speaker 1: one is like here's the rise of the Staffer family,
Speaker 1: Like this is how they they're in the like family
Speaker 1: vlogging sphere, and they also interview all these people who
Speaker 1: watch family vlogs and like why and explain why they
Speaker 1: watched them where they're like, hey, like I was pregnant
Speaker 1: and she was pregnant at the same time, and a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends and family weren't pregnant, so I
Speaker 1: felt like, I don't know, we were on the same
Speaker 1: journey together. Or I'm raising kids and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: learn things blah blah blah whatever. So we try to
Speaker 1: understand why people are watching these things. And then we
Speaker 1: start meeting these people that also make these kinds of logs,
Speaker 1: and we see kind of the the path the staffer
Speaker 1: families on, like it starts small and it gets really big,
Speaker 1: and there's all these sponsorships and she has like two kids,
Speaker 1: I think, and then I think she's trying for a
Speaker 1: bird and like or a fourth and like it's not happening.
Speaker 1: So then she's like, I'm we should adopt. We're going
Speaker 1: to adopt from China. So they start documenting that whole
Speaker 1: journey and then they and I know.
Speaker 2: People who have adopted to China, like it's a huge undertaking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: international adoptions.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, god, I know I know people who have
Speaker 1: adopted internationally as well. Yeah, and I know that some
Speaker 1: people have also, like the children tend to have like
Speaker 1: more special needs than Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's dramatic, which is not people. I think that's object
Speaker 2: people should be more well aware of. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a very traumatic thing with this one because they
Speaker 2: give him an American kind of name. I mean, they
Speaker 2: they I guess they're just blending him into the family.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he has some issues, and then you're kind
Speaker 2: of like, well, what were they and and then you
Speaker 2: find out that he was sucking his thumb. So they
Speaker 2: did a thing where they duct taped his thumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they like, yeah, there was a whole thing where
Speaker 1: like at one point they have like a thumb brace
Speaker 1: on him, and like people are like, there there's very
Speaker 1: differing opinions about the thumbrace where it's like some people
Speaker 1: are like, that's fucked up, and then other people are like, well,
Speaker 1: their teeth are coming in and if they're sucking their thumbs,
Speaker 1: they can like really fuck up their teeth.
Speaker 2: So that's what braces are for, y'all. I mean my
Speaker 2: brother had the same thing. He was a thumb sucker
Speaker 2: and fucking taping his fucking hand.
Speaker 4: No, no, we don't take like especially these are dun
Speaker 4: too also and exactly, and then there's one there's one
Speaker 4: video they showed where she's like, oh, he's going to
Speaker 4: a speech therapist.
Speaker 2: But there was somebody charging me five hundred dollars, So
Speaker 2: that's too much. So we're gonna get somebody only charged
Speaker 2: fifty dollars for having I'm like, you make so much money.
Speaker 2: They're always showing off their house and everything they have.
Speaker 1: She's marrying like a really fancy like yeah cardiate braceleism.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's really I mean these people suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really icky. So they you see the rise
Speaker 1: and you see the views go up, right, and then
Speaker 1: he it turns out he's a lot more work than
Speaker 1: they They just paid it. Then they anticipated that they wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, and like at some point they're even talking
Speaker 1: about adopting again, and it's like they're you are if
Speaker 1: I tried to extend a little empathy, I'm like, babe,
Speaker 1: they really do want to adopt, but I was like, no,
Speaker 1: they don't. It's for the views. They they saw their
Speaker 1: views go way up when they did this, and they
Speaker 1: made a shit ton of money off of it, and
Speaker 1: they want to do it again and they're getting ready
Speaker 1: to do that, and then all of a sudden, like
Speaker 1: Huxley just disappears, and like you see them start making
Speaker 1: all their con like his stuff private, right, and they're
Speaker 1: kind of and people are commenting like where is he?
Speaker 1: And they're like deleting the comments. And that's really scary
Speaker 1: because people were.
Speaker 2: Like where is he?
Speaker 1: Like what's wrong? Like did something happen to him blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, like people start calling the police to like
Speaker 1: do wellness checks.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, because you think about it, because
Speaker 2: some of those kids are really being abused, they have
Speaker 2: to be hailed a brand in Utah yep, right with
Speaker 2: her kids. I mean that that they sent the police
Speaker 2: there and they didn't even do anything. It took like
Speaker 2: the kid had to run away to get help. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean these but also it's I mean you, you
Speaker 2: and I are of that generation like of people raising
Speaker 2: their kids on vlogs and on you know, first off
Speaker 2: the blog of blogg is Fear and now the vlog
Speaker 2: is Fear and having their own having their podcasts and
Speaker 2: all their TikTok videos and shit, and people see like
Speaker 2: you can make great money at it, but you have
Speaker 2: to get the views, and so what is it? And
Speaker 2: she started she was like really into cleaning, and so
Speaker 2: she did all these cleaning videos. But then and then parenting,
Speaker 2: and then her husband was a fix it guy, like
Speaker 2: it's garage and stuff. And then they noticed that people
Speaker 2: like the parenting stuff and they were like, well, we're
Speaker 2: looking to expand our family anyway, so what if we adopt, well,
Speaker 2: we should do it on camera and I and it's
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know any case we're going
Speaker 2: to find out. I think that it's really messed up
Speaker 2: to make a living off your family like this, because
Speaker 2: it show business families they have that too, and it's
Speaker 2: not great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: these kids are going to start hitting eighteen, like any
Speaker 1: second now, and they're going to start telling their stories
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to learn a lot. But
Speaker 1: the whole idea with Huxley was they they they even
Speaker 1: used the term rehomed, and I was like, that's kind
Speaker 1: of how you.
Speaker 2: Talk about pets. I don't know that you talk about
Speaker 2: a dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, I don't like that, Like
Speaker 1: that's and I I personally don't understand how you just
Speaker 1: bye bye. Like they had a lot of resources at
Speaker 1: their hands, like they made a lot of money, and
Speaker 1: it seemed to me that they were like, had a
Speaker 1: lot of resources they could have provided him, And it
Speaker 1: just came down to we don't want to.
Speaker 2: That's too hard. It's too hard, That's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's too hard. And if he were their natural son,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have any recourse. But because he was adopted.
Speaker 2: They just kind of want to rescind the offer or whatever.
Speaker 2: And that's which is I mean, I hope he's okay.
Speaker 2: That's my thing, Like I hope wherever he is, I
Speaker 2: hope he's okay. I can it feels like he was
Speaker 2: abandoned twice, right, I mean, we're to China and then here,
Speaker 2: I mean Jesus, so.
Speaker 1: It's really sad. And they do interview someone else who
Speaker 1: also adopted. Someone adopted a daughter who I think had
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of mean yeah, like special needs and mental health issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and her first adoption, that child had a lot
Speaker 1: of special needs, and she is, you know, seems to
Speaker 1: be fine. They have interviews with her, and she's still
Speaker 1: with them, But then they adopted another one and that
Speaker 1: child had more needs than they anticipated, and they basically
Speaker 1: had to like quote unquote rehome that child. And she's like,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of empathy for the Stoffers, and.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we don't know everything, of course, yeah, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, if we're gonna I would
Speaker 2: have liked them to dig a little deeper into that then,
Speaker 2: so that I could have a little bit more understanding
Speaker 2: into maybe how the stoppers got where they got right,
Speaker 2: because I I can't understand it.
Speaker 1: And even with that one interview from that one woman,
Speaker 1: I was like, I still don't really get it. I
Speaker 1: don't get it, and I know and and a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people are really really upset about it, as they
Speaker 2: should have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and some of those people that got really
Speaker 1: upset or honestly, they're just men who want to get
Speaker 1: on the internet and be shitty to women. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: directed all their anger at the mom and I right now,
Speaker 1: there's there's two parents here, Like, these were just men
Speaker 1: who wanted to be like, fucker, she's the fucking worst,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you don't have any of that anger
Speaker 1: for the dad. I noticed like some dudes just like
Speaker 1: the Pylon.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I saw that there's three episodes.
Speaker 1: And then it's a tough watch.
Speaker 2: It's a tough it was a tough watch, and it
Speaker 2: was Yeah, and then there's on Disney or Hulu they
Speaker 2: have Scamanda and that's O. Yes. So you and I
Speaker 2: had Charlie Webster. She was the she's the host and
Speaker 2: the producer we had. She had a podcast that came
Speaker 2: out last the summer of twenty three. I think it
Speaker 2: was and you and I had her on our show
Speaker 2: and she was great, she was so nice. Yes, but
Speaker 2: this is this is like a formal produced documentary and
Speaker 2: it's just the first part that's at out now. But
Speaker 2: once again, rage baiting. It's like somebody who fakes having
Speaker 2: cancer in order to get attention, and it's it's mind boggling,
Speaker 2: And it's also just it tells you how much as
Speaker 2: human beings we trust other people. Yeah, how much trust
Speaker 2: we have in other people, and we assume so much
Speaker 2: goodness in them, and we assume they're telling the truth
Speaker 2: to us, and we assume all these things, and when
Speaker 2: somebody just takes advantage of you, it's it's such Yeah.
Speaker 2: But rail that one is on my list for sure,
Speaker 2: and I know it's gonna piss me off all over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but those are the those are the things I'm jorking
Speaker 2: out about it. In addition, we'll talk about the other stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh, update about our family was also on
Speaker 1: my list. And then I have started American American Manhunt
Speaker 1: OJ Simpson.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I couldn't do that one.
Speaker 1: I don't imagine I'm going to learn anything new. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, by the way, if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: it made in America. The OJ Simpson made in America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is like the fucking best. Like it is so good
Speaker 1: at explaining like everything that happened before, everything that happened after,
Speaker 1: like the whole case. It gave context, so much context,
Speaker 1: so good. So this isn't really gonna do that, I
Speaker 1: don't think. But I was like, I'm still gonna watch it.
Speaker 1: So I had it on while I was doing my laundry,
Speaker 1: and it's it's fine. I like those Netflix true crime documentaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, say you know, but the case is so fucked up.
Speaker 2: It's so fucked up.
Speaker 1: Surprise what else? Much like the same as you. I
Speaker 1: haven't been watching too much stuff because the world.
Speaker 2: Is too much. Yeah, I'm sticking to things that I
Speaker 2: already watch and like my comfort viewing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been playing YouTube clips and stuff. I've been
Speaker 1: playing video games a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It requires me to not look at my phone and
Speaker 1: read the news. So and I think I talked about
Speaker 1: that and our bonus up for what a creep. But
Speaker 1: I've been playing a game called Wildflowers, where you work
Speaker 1: on a farm at your grandma's farm and your witch
Speaker 1: at night. And then I've also been playing Hello Kitty
Speaker 1: Island Adventure, which is very cute, very wholesome, very distracting.
Speaker 1: And then of course I have been watching and I
Speaker 1: know you have been watching Real Housewives of Salt.
Speaker 2: Lake City, which is and there. It just had a
Speaker 2: fantastic season and now they're right now. They just finished
Speaker 2: two of the three part episodes for the reunions, and
Speaker 2: it's the best show in television. I'm sorry, Like this
Speaker 2: is the case where people also say things and do
Speaker 2: things that I would never do, but it's so entertaining,
Speaker 2: which is the difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're doing it.
Speaker 2: But they're doing it, but like you believe them, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like they believe their own bullshit.
Speaker 2: They're all completely believing their own bullshit. So it's so entertaining.
Speaker 1: It's so entertaining. And also like they all just like
Speaker 1: fucking yell at each other. It's like white. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: very relaxing.
Speaker 2: I love the pictures I was looking on social media.
Speaker 2: They're like the this couch just shares one brain and
Speaker 2: it's like Heather and Meredith and Lisa and those two
Speaker 2: husbands of theirs. Yeah, it's one of those Like I
Speaker 2: get so mad because they're all screaming at each other,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I get annoyed with people. And then
Speaker 2: they go to Mary's story, which is Mary's who married
Speaker 2: her grandfather, her step grandfather, but anyway, her son had
Speaker 2: a drug issue and she talked about they talked about
Speaker 2: it on the air, and they put sent them to rehab.
Speaker 2: And I was sobbing my eyes out, like I know
Speaker 2: this story and this is not a news story, but
Speaker 2: a lot of yeah, but a lot of she just
Speaker 2: Mary has that weird ability to just like you pay
Speaker 2: attention to her, and she could be mean. Sometimes she
Speaker 2: can be really nasty, but then she can also just
Speaker 2: be so kind and silly and present, and she just
Speaker 2: the and all of them were sobbing, except for Meredith. Right,
Speaker 2: all of them were like crying when she was talking
Speaker 2: about her son, but it was really and Andy was crying,
Speaker 2: which never happens.
Speaker 1: I can't figure out they kept showing Meredith, and I
Speaker 1: was of two minds here because Meredith is just sitting
Speaker 1: there staring. Actually I was of three minds, one where
Speaker 1: I was like, well, maybe she's had so much botox
Speaker 1: that yeah, you know, But then the other one was
Speaker 1: was was she jealous of Mary? And Angie's friendship or
Speaker 1: is she jealous that Mary's getting all this love and attention.
Speaker 2: It's both of those things. Yeah, they all are jealous
Speaker 2: because they want that attention, because they all want to
Speaker 2: be the hero of the show. And then on top
Speaker 2: of that Mary. At one point, Ron Whin said something
Speaker 2: and Mary goes, that's why she's the fan favorite because
Speaker 2: she gives the most and you knew that's stuck in
Speaker 2: all their collective craws, which she said that they all
Speaker 2: want to be the star of the show. And Mary
Speaker 2: does it effortlessly, like seriously, there's no there's no guile
Speaker 2: about her. She just reacts. She shows up in a
Speaker 2: scene and reacts, and you never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: And she is so funny. I mean, she could be
Speaker 2: really mean, but she goes to be so so funny,
Speaker 2: just really and no bullshit. I love the fact that
Speaker 2: she just does, Like, you do something that pisses her off,
Speaker 2: she will let you know and she's not gonna let
Speaker 2: you just walk away with it. Like she demands that
Speaker 2: you act, you behave yourself. And I love that.
Speaker 1: I like people like I actually tend to me too.
Speaker 1: I tend to have a lot of people like that
Speaker 1: my life because I'm and other people find those kinds
Speaker 1: of people abrasive. I don't at all. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I appreciate, I know where I stand always yes with
Speaker 1: those people like I appreciate that about them, and they
Speaker 1: tend it's so funny because they don't often get very
Speaker 1: mad at me, these people that I have in my
Speaker 1: life because I do always I'm always I always have
Speaker 1: good intentions, but like if something I do comes across wrong,
Speaker 1: they'll say, like, well that didn't come out right right,
Speaker 1: call me on it, and I'm all, thank you, Like
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. So I appreciate that. And I think
Speaker 1: that Mary was just much warmer this season. I think
Speaker 1: maybe Angie brought that out in her. Well, they talk
Speaker 1: about it. She says, like that friendship with Angie and
Speaker 1: the trust that she has with Angie made her feel
Speaker 1: more comfortable to like.
Speaker 2: You know, Meredith got really jealous for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but I could see you could see it.
Speaker 1: And she was just more fun this season, like doing
Speaker 1: the zip line and all the stuff with Robert Jr.
Speaker 1: Really opening up and just how funny she is when
Speaker 1: she wants to be like, yeah, I really really appreciate.
Speaker 1: She was such a star. Her and Angie were such
Speaker 1: stars this season. Yeah, that's why they get to sit
Speaker 1: next to Andy.
Speaker 2: They were on the cool couch. The other couch was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It was it was ridiculous. It's entertaining, it's it's so
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that it's real reality TV like
Speaker 2: these are. They're not. They're just improving like they're not.
Speaker 2: There's no script like they just are reacting and the
Speaker 2: way they do it and they're so good at it.
Speaker 1: And the editing. The editing on the show is unbelievable. Oh,
Speaker 1: they come with her seats always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Meredith's just going on and on about Monica from
Speaker 2: last season. You know that's when Andy hated Meredith, right
Speaker 2: because she she was like, play the clips and now
Speaker 2: they all do that. Now play the clips and then
Speaker 2: the booth has to look for the clip for the
Speaker 2: thing that you know, nothing makes Meredith happy like she's
Speaker 2: She always says like, I have a sense of humor.
Speaker 2: You can laugh at me, I can blah blah blahah.
Speaker 2: I just and it's like, no, you don't. You are humorless.
Speaker 2: You take yourself very seriously. You know, you have a grievance,
Speaker 2: you blow it up to something.
Speaker 1: Huge because she wants her time, she wants her screen day.
Speaker 1: You know, I am leaving and I am removing myself
Speaker 1: from this situation.
Speaker 2: Like she she dos Santa X rumors are very hard
Speaker 2: for her to be to me, Yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 1: Just fucks around, does fuck all like all season and
Speaker 1: then in the last two episodes she's like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I didn't do any work. And then it's like you
Speaker 1: can leave your boil, like brings out all the big guns.
Speaker 1: In those last two episodes.
Speaker 2: She is she is something something I don't want to
Speaker 2: People are like, what do we what do we get
Speaker 2: from Meredith? And I'm like, you know, a lot of
Speaker 2: the times nothing, but when she does deliver, it's better.
Speaker 2: She showed up at they had a Mary had a
Speaker 2: thing where she had an Audrey Hepburn themed lunch and
Speaker 2: Maren showed up wearing a wig and to give herself bangs.
Speaker 2: But it looks like she put on the wig backwards
Speaker 2: and she just and she's an attractive woman and she
Speaker 2: just looks absurd.
Speaker 1: Just there were so many moments this season like for yeah,
Speaker 1: Meredith with her wig that is maybe backwards. I don't
Speaker 1: know what she's doing.
Speaker 2: And then and then the eye patch things she made
Speaker 2: from the sleep mask because she poked her eye in
Speaker 2: the middle.
Speaker 1: Of mar Yeah, it's so weird, like she's a pirate
Speaker 1: or what is she doing? And then like Mary showing
Speaker 1: up late to the button Mitzvudge. She's like outside trying
Speaker 1: to look through all the windows, and she's like right behind.
Speaker 2: Like she's a blura and Mary's like behind them in
Speaker 2: a window, like they can see her there. What are
Speaker 2: you doing? Looked looking?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so funny. I laughed so good.
Speaker 1: It's like the best comedy and drama on TV.
Speaker 2: I swear it really is.
Speaker 1: And then all of our all of our other shows
Speaker 1: are back. You know, your your Elisabeth's, your Matt Lox,
Speaker 1: your your Abbot Elementaries. They're all back, so, which is
Speaker 1: good because we all need some distress. Yeah, and uh
Speaker 1: for a while, I think we're going to need these distractions.
Speaker 1: So and then we're gonna get below Deck.
Speaker 2: Down down Under. They're going to actually their own Africa there,
Speaker 2: they're in Africa. Yeah, and Captain Jason is back, and
Speaker 2: that's going to be I mean all we'll be right
Speaker 2: in the world. As long as blow Deck.
Speaker 1: Is on, I know we'll at least have that. Yeah, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1: I also have a short list because again I've just
Speaker 1: been mainly playing video games and watching what I already know,
Speaker 1: because right that's what I can handle.
Speaker 2: I go to the comfort things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and everybody that could depend on yes, yeah, everybody,
Speaker 1: take care of yourself. Everything's a lot like right now.
Speaker 1: And if you like the sound of our voices, we
Speaker 1: co host a podcast called What a Creep where we
Speaker 1: talk about creeps in the past and the present. Our
Speaker 1: episode out right now is Tell.
Speaker 2: Andrew Keyho and it's about nineteen twenty seven's Bath School massacre.
Speaker 2: It happened in Bath, Michigan. It's and it's a tough one.
Speaker 2: It's not one of the fun ones. It's not just
Speaker 2: calling somebody an asshole for a while. It's a tough one.
Speaker 2: But I think it also speaks to unfortunately things that
Speaker 2: are happening now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think what we discover a lot on
Speaker 1: What a Creep is there are no original ideas even
Speaker 1: in creepdom.
Speaker 2: And if you like movies, we did do. We talked
Speaker 2: about John Hughes movies. A couple of weeks ago. So
Speaker 2: if you're looking for a more fun one, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what a creep that's a good one to start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always end the episode with someone who's not
Speaker 1: a creepy. Right at the end of that most recent episode,
Speaker 1: I made a list of like good things for us
Speaker 1: that you can read or watch.
Speaker 2: Or follow or whatever. So yeah, so do that, my friend.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you on the internet?
Speaker 2: So, as of right now, you can find me for
Speaker 2: sure at Brooklynfitchick dot com. That's my site. I'm at
Speaker 2: Brooklynfitchick for threads and Instagram. I'm at Brooklyn Margo for
Speaker 2: Blue Sky and also for TikTok, and then at YouTube,
Speaker 2: I'm at my name Margo Donahue.
Speaker 1: Follow her on all the things. She shares clips and
Speaker 1: her book is coming out later this year about Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Fever, and you're not gonna want to miss any
Speaker 1: good stuff.
Speaker 2: I actually spoke to the director yesterday, John Bata. We
Speaker 2: were writing back and forth and he' psyched to read it.
Speaker 1: Of course he is, we all are.
Speaker 2: He's eighty five, so I'm like holding on. I'm like,
Speaker 2: please o August dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like soon and I will have a book
Speaker 1: for you. I'm also excited to read it. It's going
Speaker 1: to be it's gonna be awesome. You can find me
Speaker 1: at the Sonia Show dot com and the Sonya Show
Speaker 1: on Blue Sky and threads and Instagram and TikTok all
Speaker 1: the places for now. Email us at Dorking Out Show
Speaker 1: if you give us your address, Margot will send you stickers.
Speaker 1: Because she is very kind, she will do that. But
Speaker 1: we also take requests. So if you have a movie
Speaker 1: that you would love for us to talk about, that's
Speaker 1: a great place to send it to us. You can
Speaker 1: email us, you can follow us on threads and blue
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Speaker 1: Requests are great. Give us a review wherever you listen,
Speaker 1: if it's on spreaker or Spotify or Apple podcasts. It
Speaker 1: helps us find our people. We super appreciate you for
Speaker 1: doing that. Thank you, I guess for talking about as
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Speaker 2: Thank you for.
Speaker 1: Going through this bullshit with me, Margo. There's nobody I
Speaker 1: would else do this with.
Speaker 2: It was a good way to assimilate my rage was
Speaker 2: to do it through this movie. So it does work
Speaker 2: in that way. If you're pissed about something, watch this
Speaker 2: movie and just yell at it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of therapy to be had with watching
Speaker 1: something that makes you mad. I'm gonna go punch a pillow.