Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice
mix in some vodka colored.
Speaker 2: A podcast from the Mac of All Trade Studio in
Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dots. Gee, Ram, It's
Billified the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 3: Hello, I just had a horrible thought in my head
and I can't share it. I can't even I don't
know why I got there. That's what I want to welcome.
That's what OCD is like. Dude, that thanks forgetting your
pot on. Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we
spread the.
Speaker 4: Word about the pirate ship.
Speaker 1: Dan, he's here. What what hack is that? A Connor's
at First?
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, excuse you know what. I don't want.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I don't want to, Like I could get a Connor's
at First logo on the back if I wanted.
Speaker 1: Okay, but where did you get that?
Speaker 4: This is a New Era Bills had? Oh okay, black
and white the white Bison.
Speaker 3: My cousin is working for New Era. Oh wow, she
lives in Parks of the Utah. But she just got
hired by new Era.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so yeah, new eras new eras the one
Starter was the big deal. Yes, new era is the
new Well, I don't off them the new starter, but
they've been started for some time.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, like the one there are like
you go brands, right, yeah, And if I were to
have my way in life.
Speaker 1: It's kind of stupid because you can.
Speaker 3: But if I had it, I love like luxurious stuff,
like nice things, yeah, nice clothes. It doesn't custom made,
but I want it. I want low key. I want
quiet luxury. I don't need a chicken on my chest
or a bird or whatever. You understand the Ralph Lauren
and he can't get away logo. You don't need the logo.
Speaker 4: No, I just want cool. I just want to I
don't want to make myself a target. It's I wear
this shirt that promotes our Oh, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: No, but that's what That's what I like. I like
that subtle, subtle, right.
Speaker 3: But it's I You talk about brands, and there are
some that people look down upon, And I have a
Champion sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: On the other day. Somebody goes, that's a nice sweatshirt.
Speaker 3: And I go, oh, it's just a bowl over and
go no, but it looks like a nice quality heavy
shad who made it.
Speaker 1: I said Champion.
Speaker 3: They go, oh, what does that mean? And it's so
weird because I just think that people I don't think
people know what quality is.
Speaker 1: I think we get caught up in the brand.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think the brand versus the quality, and that's
where some of the best brands are ones you may
not know.
Speaker 4: Champion outfitted the Dream Team. Yeah, with their jerseys. Yeah,
they outfit the Dream Team. That was thirty nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: OK.
Speaker 4: The Bills used to wear Champion right shirts or jerseys.
And then Jim Kelly you can look this up, got
in trouble because he was supposed to wear Champion cleats
for games. You were like when they had astro turf,
they'd wear turf shoes. Well, they weren't comfortable for Jim,
so he put on Nike's, taped up his sneaks and
then put the Sea for Champion on. If you go
back to the late eighties early nineties, a lot of
guys did this because they had to show off the
logo because Champion had the rights YEA to the shoe,
to the spikes or whatever. And he's like, these sucks.
So there's a picture of him getting tackled. He's getting
up and no, no, the bottom of his shoes are
being revealed, and they both say Nike, even though he's
got the Sea written.
Speaker 1: On the tape.
Speaker 4: So he got Yeah, he got some trouble for that,
but he wasn't wrong. Champion stuff slowly started getting bad.
Speaker 3: No, but they've come back. People, well, right, they're sneaky
good now. Now sometimes what's old is new again.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Familiarity is the new new, and that can happen.
Speaker 3: And we had a discussion about things that used to
be acceptable that are no longer acceptable.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I got an email from a I looked at this
person up and I'll tell you about in a second,
says hey, Bill.
Speaker 1: Dear Bill.
Speaker 3: That opener with Dan really set the energy for the
latest episode.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 3: I don't know when this came in, and it came
in Tuesday, but I think this is an episode we
did last week. And I couldn't help but get caught
up in your discussion on how language shifts through the years.
The reference to that old Maximum article and your reflections
on how certain things in the media used to fly
but don't anymore were spot on it's moments like that
and the Taylor Swift podcast comparison later in the show
that make billified such a great mix of humor and
real talk. So I'm going I can't tell like sometimes
with these and you don't know with AI anymore of
who's writing I mean in terms of who's punching up
a letter. But I'm like, Okay, is this person for
real or not? I'd love to join your show for
a conversation about where language, education and cultural boundaries meet today.
My background as a columnist for outlets like The Wall
Street Journal in the Hill gives me a unique vantage
point into how education policy, anti Semitism, and public debate
are evolving. Okay, recent exchanges I've had with figures like
Charlie Kirk Alan Dershowitz often come back to the same
idea you highlighted. Context matters.
Speaker 4: Yes, Charlie Kirk has really risen lately as far as well,
turning point, USA is his is his baby. He started
that and then Dershowitz was one of OJ's attorneys.
Speaker 3: Especially when especially when discussing what we can say and
what crosses the line. With the modest following of around
fifty thousand on social media. I try to keep these
topics accessible and engaging, and I think your audience would
appreciate a candid discussion on media education and where America.
Speaker 1: Is headed next.
Speaker 3: I'm always up for a lively debate and some good
radio stories. So if you're interested, I'd be thrilled to
jump behind the mic with you best.
Speaker 1: Gregory.
Speaker 4: What's his Twitter handle?
Speaker 3: Gregory is on LinkedIn. Gregory is a high school student
and he's Yeah, he's the youngest columnist in America. He
writes for news Matt. He writes for mostly conservative outlets.
Oh wow, yeah, according to LinkedIn. I so I wrote
him back and go sure, But it was that, and
I started.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what Gregory's experiences with stuff, where he's
gonna come from. I should probably try to look up
some of his articles when I get a chance, But
I would have him on and I would have to.
Speaker 1: Be a day that year here. Okay, yeah, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4: So he sounds like us, I don't. I want to
use this the right way, A savant like being young, yes,
and talented enough to have that type of discussion.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's a columnist.
Speaker 4: He is columnist from the Wall Street Journal in the Hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're not freaking good. Yeah they're not gonna let
just anybody.
Speaker 3: But well it looks like a little geeky kid and
is it is LinkedIn picture, which I don't I mean
that in a sweet way, because it sounds I guess
it does sound mean, but I don't mean it in
the mean way. I mean, like, yeah, you could you
look at this kid and you go, oh, yeah, he's
he's he could definitely be writing for.
Speaker 1: One of those magazines.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, if you like came out
looking like the captain the football team, be like, eh,
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah he did.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: But that made me start thinking about like the things.
It's so strange because right after that, I see an
article about movies from the seventies that you should watch
and they give you a whole list and one of them,
I'm just gonna go to one.
Speaker 1: You mean, like before you.
Speaker 4: Say that, here we go. No, No, you mean like
when you go to like a place like McQuaid and
they give you a reading list of books that you
should have read by this grade. Like culturally speaking, here's
ten movies like yeah, confession. Friday night, I watched Days
and Confused for the first time with my wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think everybody should watch that.
Speaker 1: So, uh, dayson Confused.
Speaker 4: Is alright, alright, yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's Ben Affle McConaughey,
a very very young the guy who plays Rip and Yellowstone,
that touser. You wouldn't even recognize him. He's in the movie.
And then there's some other like Parker Posey's in it. Yeah,
and there's some other people that you're like, what happened
to these guys?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So this is just a list of movies from the
seventies that they say are the best, and one of
them is Chinatown and Chinatown. It sort of grabbed me
because I had read an excerpt from the book that
the Jay Giles frontman Peter wolf Rowe, and he was
married to Fade dune Away, but he talked about remember
I said he went over. He went over to Jack's
house with Fay two and they and Jack had like
a party, and he wanted Fae to rehearse lines, so
they went upstairs.
Speaker 1: But they went up.
Speaker 3: Around midnight, and that's Peter waited till like five in
the morning, and he's yelling her name and calling her
name and all this stuff. So he went into call
Jack's furniture and dunked it in the end of the
pool and got a taxi home. And that made me laugh,
and I go, I've never seen Chinatown well because of
this email.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Now.
Speaker 3: China Town is supposed to be about a detective who
falls in love with the client from the nineteen thirties,
I don't I don't know. This is one of the scenes.
They'll listen closely, Jack slapping and then he throws her
across the room, like throws her, and I go, I
don't know if they made that movie today, if that
scene would be in there. I mean, he freaking slaps
her right across the face, and I go, maybe we're
better off for.
Speaker 1: Not having that. But yeah, slapped her across the face.
Speaker 4: There's a talk show host named Colin Cowherd who swears
up and down the China Town not The Godfather Part
two was the best movie of nineteen seventy four. Yeah,
Godfather too won Best Pictures, the only sequel to win
Best Picture. But in both movies you see the main
character slapping women.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, women, Yep, it's wild then you get the tough, you.
Speaker 6: Get tender, you get tender, you get close to each other,
maybe you even get close to the truth. Jack Nicholson
and Fade Dunaway in a Robert Evans production of a
Roman Polanski finish Chinatown.
Speaker 3: The sky sounds like eight of box of mor Blos. Now,
I gotta see this China town to see. Yeah, I
do too, But the slap, and I went, that's so weird.
And then I went, I got to go back to
all the classics. Yes, the classics where do you get slapped?
Of talk where men talked about slapping women in public,
one of them a football great DC Jones.
Speaker 5: The head slap was to do two purposes.
Speaker 4: One was to give.
Speaker 7: Myself an initial head start on the past rush. In
other words, hey, extra step, because anytime you go outside
a man's head or woman, then they have a tendency
to blame the eyes or close the eyes.
Speaker 5: And that was all I.
Speaker 4: Needed or a woman, you understand, NFL PILs He's broadcast
this four.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't laugh because but it's so out of it
was so out of the thinking in the world I
grew up in, right, You just you didn't you always
told you don't lay a hand on a woman.
Speaker 1: No, right, I think, yeah.
Speaker 3: So, but this was like, this guy is talking about football.
There's only men play football, and only men played football there.
They didn't have female tackle leagues were allowed to play,
didn't have flag football that they're gonna have in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't have any. And this guy.
Speaker 4: Says, and he even pauses, he pauses.
Speaker 7: The handslap was to do to one, was to give
myself an initial hits on the fast step, because anytime
you go upside a man's head pull woman.
Speaker 3: Oh it wasn't even a pause. Forgive me, it's an
or a woman like. He just didn't even miss a beat.
Speaker 4: Look at that big deal, And I think I know
we're going next.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is one of my favorites.
Speaker 4: Oh you thought was this? Barbara Walters? And yes, and.
Speaker 1: Sean Connery now Sean Connery.
Speaker 3: And again I'm gonna say, I'm going to say cultural difference,
and I'm going to give an example as to why
I think this is a cultural difference.
Speaker 4: Cultural money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I and again not that it's right. I don't
believe it's right. I don't think I will say and
I have said for many many, many years on the radio.
If your first instinct is to hit, then there's something
wrong with you. Yes, right, I have said that, but
in this instance it's so well laid out his logic,
like he this is Sean Connery at his core, believes this.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 8: He did an interview in which you said, not the
worst thing to slap a woman, now and then, as
I remember, you said, you don't do it with a
clenched fist. It's better to do it with an open hand.
Yeah remember that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now you would think that you're sitting in front
of cameras with Barbara Walters.
Speaker 1: You are a global as global.
Speaker 3: Can get at the time, icon right, you You played
James Bond, You've done all kinds of movies. You're considered
one of the sexiest men alive, even though you're going bald.
I mean you really you got the shit going on.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Rock.
Speaker 1: You think you think, you think you'd watch your words.
Speaker 8: You think, not the worst thing to slap a woman,
now and then, as I remember, you said, you don't
do it with a clenched fist. It's better to do
it with an open hand. Yeah remember that. Yeah, I
wouldn't love that.
Speaker 5: I haven't changed my opinion.
Speaker 9: You haven't.
Speaker 8: No, do you think it's good to slap a woman?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 10: I don't think it's good. I don't think it's that bad.
I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances and
if it.
Speaker 5: Merits it, what would merit it?
Speaker 10: Well, if you have tried everything else, and women are
pretty good at this that they can't leave.
Speaker 5: It alone, they don't.
Speaker 10: They want to have the last word, and you give
them the last word, but they're not happy with the
last world.
Speaker 5: They want to say it again and.
Speaker 10: Get into a really provocative situation. Then I think it's
absolutely right.
Speaker 4: I would, okay, you put that in there, like I
don't remember that being a part of it.
Speaker 1: You'd get canceled.
Speaker 4: Yes, you'd be fucking canceled today.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's not a chance, snowballs chance in hell that
that guy's getting away with saying Oh.
Speaker 4: People would dig it back up and if you were
still alive, yeah, in twenty twenty, Yeah, people would have
dug that back up and then canceled him.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, except that I think there is a thing
old man forgiveness, Like he's so old at this point
point and feeble that what's the point, you know what
I mean? Now, maybe we should start. I don't know
that Cosby's ever gonna get that old man forget.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna forgive me for putting my slender putting.
Speaker 1: Because he was like basically drugging women and then having.
Speaker 4: His famous line was you need some contact. Yeah, so
you need some context.
Speaker 1: So and Sean didn't have a list to win. He
just said, hey, yeah.
Speaker 9: A woman.
Speaker 4: Look, we know how women are. They have to have
the last word. They don't. They won't stop like a
hard knocks last night when you had to take the
quarterbacks all talk and not alan the other quarterbacks. You know,
ever knows your wife's always right, My wife's always right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike too.
Speaker 8: He did an interview in which you said, not the
worst thing to slap a woman now and then, as
I remember, you said, you don't do it with a
clenched fist. It's better to do it with an open hand.
Yeah remember that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, she does, she does, She goes yeah, and
she says it.
Speaker 1: I love it, and I paused it.
Speaker 3: I just want you to there's not even a one
Mississippi hesitation from when she says, I didn't love that
to when he talks he steps on her last word,
I would love that.
Speaker 5: I haven't changed my opinion.
Speaker 4: You have it.
Speaker 8: Do you think it's good to slap a woman?
Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's good.
Speaker 3: But I mean, he's just answering it. Yeah, there's no
fucking shame in this guy's.
Speaker 4: No, he doesn't even turn red. You watch it. He
doesn't turn red. Now, I have no regrets for what
I said. He's said. I'm not sorry.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's that bad.
Speaker 10: I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances and if.
Speaker 5: It merits it, what would merit it?
Speaker 10: Well, if you have tried everything else, and women are
pretty good at this that they can't leave it alone.
Speaker 5: They don't.
Speaker 10: They want to have the last word, and you give
them the laugh last word, but they're not happy with
the last word.
Speaker 5: They want to say it again and.
Speaker 10: Get into really provocative, said you, then, big brat, I
think it's absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry here, no hes there's a sniff, no reservation,
no reluctance, no interruption.
Speaker 1: But that's a sniff at the end. You hear that sniff.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, like like like absolutely right, Like when an
animal like a ram or like it's about to attack, Yeah,
and they start kicking their front like yeah, but I
was right.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't take it even as as like an arrogant, like,
you know, an intellectual note on anybody who's about to
make a point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 4: And the reason they could get away with that back then,
I'm sure people were offended in their homes, but they
had no outlet to go complain.
Speaker 1: Well, that's true, we didn't have social media.
Speaker 4: We're going to get on the phone with Nancy at
ten thirty on a Friday, and I watched twenty twenty
and go, did you hear what Economy said?
Speaker 1: I bet there's I bet the network got a lot
of complaints.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to bring this up at the PTA meeting.
Speaker 3: But I think that this may be a cultural thing.
And I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to Scotsman. Huh,
the Scotsman or the age group. I'm gonna say, not
Scotsman so much as generation. I would say Celtic or
including like all the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is there was a
cartoon in the Funnies in the Sunday paper. Do you
remember the Sunday paper when it would come when you
were a kid, and it had.
Speaker 4: The full thing, not Sunday it would come in color.
Speaker 1: It would come in color, the cartoon car color, the funnies,
and there was one about.
Speaker 3: An English an englishman. It was a drunk Do you
remember this one? No you don't, well, it's it was old,
so don't worry, okay. But it was in the papers
in the eighties and I think into the nineties, and
it was only really meant to be originally it spoke
to the life in northern England. It was Andy Capp
and Andy would get drunk and he would stumble home
after you know, he would leave the factory job.
Speaker 4: And he would go Andy Caps the guy who wore
the hat, and he had a big nose. You couldn't
see his face, did you see his big nose in
his sron But then he.
Speaker 3: Would go home to his wife who would say something
like I made to dinner, but now it's cold, and
he punched her in the face and go back.
Speaker 1: To the bar.
Speaker 3: It was Red Smith did it for the Daily Mirror
in nineteen fifty seven and Andy Capp made it. Made
it to the United States. It was in the Sunday Funnies.
So I'm just saying I the only reason I thought
of that was because of the email I got. I
just want you to follow the trade following words. We
can't say yes into seeing the article about Chinatown seeing
the slap, right, and I go that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would fly today either.
Speaker 3: No, Then I go, I remember Deacon Jones got to
get that, yes, And then I remember Sean Connery, And
then I went, wait, could there have been a cultural
thing where it was acceptable in that part of the
world old to slap a woman.
Speaker 1: I'm not pleased, don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we are not saying that that, We're
not that, but I mean I think even in the
Arab world now, there probably is some things that go
on that we don't are, you know, familiar, we're parts
of the world. Let's just say, I don't need to
put any sections just around the world, maybe even here.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just saying that that's not something
that you would normally talk about in public, and if
someone asked you or put your feet to the fire
on an interview in front of a cat, yeah, usually
don't admit it.
Speaker 4: So my wife watches a lot of Netflix and we
have to watch our own personal shows on our own time.
Oh really so yeah, because like she doesn't like documentaries.
I like she she she watches a lot of fantasy stuff.
I like to watch stuff as close to reality as possible.
I'm not saying I watch reality TV. I don't, but
I want, like the show has to make logical human sense. Yes,
And because I don't waste my time on like network television, OK,
I just don't do it. Too cool. She watches this
show called Outlander, and it's about this time, like they
go back in time. This one woman keeps going back
and forth in time in British time, and she's British, right.
So she's got this boyfriend or husband or whomever.
Speaker 1: And does he slap her he.
Speaker 4: Gets she gets into some trouble, he goes and bails
her out. He brings her home and then he pulls
her it, bends her over his knee and then spanks
her like she's a child, her bare butt. Oh, like
it's like the seventeen eighteen hundreds or something like that.
I'm like wow, Yeah, And like he's mean, he's hitting
her heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that turned her on apparently. I don't know, I
don't know.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, you were allowed to do that back then,
that was the thing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm I grew up in the era, and you
grew up in the era where if an uncle or
an aunt or even a neighbor told you to stop
and you didn't do it, you could expect a slap
in the mouth or the bh.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it.
Speaker 4: Was accepted and you didn't dare go and tell your parents.
Speaker 3: Oh oh that was a Silver Creek thing. Oh really, Yeah,
I don't forgetting a slap by anybody but my parent.
Speaker 4: Oh we we yeah, we would we ye, no, we
could get.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, let me just say this Silver Creek
time stopped in nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 4: Ye, my father, I'm pretty sure out there, yeah, out there, yeah,
two thousand and four in this house, nineteen fifty four.
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the NFL. There are rule changes coming to the NFL.
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thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: You think this is.
Speaker 4: About the taxes? Oh okay, because well no, there are
changes now how much money you can claim you've lost. Okay,
there's changes to that now.
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Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: He was a kid. He said, I'm gonna play rock
and roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: I heard somebody on this stage, but somebody in the
band say their dad said what do you want to do?
And the kid picked up a guitar and he just
started playing, I want to play steel guitar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he did.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The NFL season is about to begin and there's all
kinds of fun things happen, and if you are into betting,
I think these new rule changes could affect some things
and some decision making. There's three specific rule changes that
I focused on. I don't know how many there are
or aren't. The dynamic kickoff rule is one. Yes, we
had it, where they moved it up to the twenty.
They're trying to make it so guys aren't just getting
the ship beat out of them. The problem is you're
also not getting a dynamic return, right.
Speaker 4: So all we had to do is adopt the XFL rule,
but they decide, no, we can't do that.
Speaker 1: Town we got to make our own, and then.
Speaker 4: The XFL became the UFL decided to go back to
the old school kickoff.
Speaker 3: So it does give you though, like we have squib kicks,
directional kicks and return skiing. There's all this stuff, right,
and I think you're going to see that maybe later
in games if they're close, But for the most part,
I think that there's it's going to be higher scoring.
I think you're going to have a higher scoring NFL
because guys are really, what are your two first downs
from the end zone at thirty five at thirty five
and really what they're doing is putting the onus on
the kicker to put it between to put it at
the ten yard line, right, so then somebody will return it.
But you know, guys kicking it out into the end zone.
Speaker 4: If that's the case, that hard.
Speaker 3: But and look, I don't know if you're eventually going
to see a return specialist come back, somebody who can
just see the field and know where to go, and
you know, almost a Barry Sanders vision of the field
kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Well last year and if you more of the Bills
opener against Arizona, you got every possible scenario under last
year's kickoff rules come true in that game with kick
returns the way it would land in the end zone,
if it landed out of bounds, if it dribbled due
the end zone, if it landed its blast. I think
one got I think a couple got returned in that game.
Speaker 1: But the thing is like there not many throughout.
Speaker 4: The season, No, no, But like with the players lined
up closer to the kick returner, all he's got to
do is get by a couple of guys and sprung
and he could be gone.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also think if you're a better you
may want to almost look at the over sometimes over
you know what I mean in terms of combined score,
because I think this is going to lead to higher
scoring games.
Speaker 1: Now, it's all going to depend on who's playing in
the game.
Speaker 4: Early in the season is the time to bet for that.
Speaker 3: The expanded replay assist. The expanded replay assists for the
NFL this season, I think is kind of interesting. It really,
if there's a missed call, they can't call it. So
if they see something on replay assists, they can't. But
if there was a call that was made and didn't happen,
a holding, and it's usually to benefit the defensive player, right,
some kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if.
Speaker 3: You're going to see more defensive players taking chances, getting
in guys faces a little bit off, you know, problem
old school, because there's a chance with the replay assist, why.
Speaker 4: Not, right, I mean, for the last few years you've
seen and I don't know if you've noticed this, but
the left tackle and the right tackle are moving a
fraction of a set come before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one's calling.
Speaker 4: No one's call.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that could be called, but it's
mostly I mean, it may be.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, it should reduce some automatic first downs,
so for offenses, it.
Speaker 4: Very well could.
Speaker 3: So it's just something to keep an eye on or
think about when you're placing bets. I think, because then
you go, all right, we got chance for a higher
scoring this that really look at it.
Speaker 1: And the other one, I mean, I think.
Speaker 3: This also could reduce the hesitancy the replaces among defenders
and things like that. The other one that I think
is very interesting and I think will affect betting is
the Thursday Night Football flex rule. This is different. Normally
you need a month to flex with Thursday Night football.
They only have to do it for three weeks out.
And the reason they're doing this is obviously money. People
have been bitching about the games. I think on paper,
there was the Colts in the Broncos game a couple
years ago, and it was going to be Matthew who
used to play for Atlanta and then retired to a
cult versus Matt Ryan. Yeah yeah, Matt Ryan versus Russell, yes,
right and everybody.
Speaker 1: I think the score was twelve to night. I think
it was like seven field goal.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There's been some bad Thursday night games. Yeah, so they tried,
so they expanded last year they extended the flex rols
used to be just Sunday nights. Yeah, now they've extended
it to Thursday night.
Speaker 3: But Thursday Night doesn't have to do a month out.
No one used to do three three weeks now, So
I think that if you're betting, you got to look
at and by the way, real quick, kind of shitty
for fans. Oh yeah, if you bought tickets to go
see a game and then it gets flex to Thursday night,
you're out your hotel everything. I mean, let's say you
were going on the road to see Buffalo play Miami, Miami, Seattle,
whatever it could, and it gets flexed through Thursday, and
your ship out of luck, and that that's kind of
the shitty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like if if something happened to Haven't Forbid, something
happened to a quarterback this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah right, so you've got that. Obviously
they're trying to get the I don't know that they're
trying to get the ratings up.
Speaker 1: Well maybe they have to because.
Speaker 4: They need more revena. Yeah, and I'm sure now because
if because if you raise the price, if you raise
the ratings, then you raise the price and the streaming
bids and the wars. Now, I mean, I don't see
what's going on with baseball right now, but now it
looks like Baseball is going to be completely like streamed
by ESPN. Yeah, so I mean it's like and you
got to buy the MLB package and.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a messy.
Speaker 4: So it could it could be better, It could, it
could suck. But now you, like somebody said, with football,
now you need like several subscriptions to watch football. And oh,
by the way, on a Sunday.
Speaker 3: Do you though, because you could get the NFL ticket
through YouTube?
Speaker 4: You can't, but then you have to buy the NFL.
You have to buy the NFL ticket. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I mean you're right to see all the
games if you didn't want to buy the NFL ticket.
You need Peacock, you need Netflix, yes, you need, and.
Speaker 4: Then you got of course, you got your regular channels too, right.
Speaker 3: You need all your regular channels. You need ESPN for
Monday Night football. And I don't think is Monday Night
Football on ESPN Plus?
Speaker 4: Yes it is? Well, actually no, I don't think it is.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's yes, so therefore you got
to buy ESPN. Yes, ESPN Plus is. The ESPN Plus
to me just doesn't seem worth it.
Speaker 1: And I have it.
Speaker 4: Esp Well, a lot of it's tied into the digital side. Yeah,
the digital side of what like the writing and stuff.
Speaker 1: No, I get that.
Speaker 4: I mean that's my point.
Speaker 1: That's why I see the fucking game.
Speaker 4: Nobody has time to read long form journalisms.
Speaker 3: Well it's not even but they do some interesting docuseries
and things on there.
Speaker 4: They do, but who has time for it? And this
is a guy without kids saying that, Yeah, who is time?
Like they moved like the entire thirty for thirty library
over Netflix. You don't even need ESPN Plus for that anymore.
If you want to watch it thirty for thirty. Yeah,
it's not Netflix though.
Speaker 1: Hey now, oh yeah, a lot of stuff definite. When
he goes back and watch the bo Jackson one, yeah
that was a good one. So I just think with
this one.
Speaker 3: If you're betting, would always take the home team on
a Thursday night, especially if it's a flex game. I
would take the home team just because they're home. You're
playing up. I mean, you got to think about travel
and exhaustion and the players in short weeks, and you know,
I mean there's a this will never happen. But let's
say a team playing on Monday night they flex the
game to Thursday. That'll never happen. But the league won't
do that.
Speaker 1: But you could have played Sunday and flex you to Thursday.
Speaker 4: Well think about this. Let's go back a couple of years.
Picture at Sicily nineteen twenty two. No picture it bTB
twenty twenty four. You and I are there watching a
Monday evening playoff game. Yeah, with the Bills and the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: Why because they got snowed out the night before, the
day before. Yeah, so now that's not just twenty four
hours later, but like twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight
hours later. Oh, by the way, we won. Now we
got a host, the Chiefs coming to town in six days. Yeah,
coming off of Monday. Used to be Saturday to Sunday,
or Sunday to Sunday or Sunday to Saturday. But at
least you know or it usually it wasn't Sunday to summer.
Speaker 3: I was always a little envious of the West Coast
because you got to see Monday night football at a
decent hour five or six o'clock, right right, Yeah, that's awesome.
You have it on Monday dinner and get on with
your life and you got something else to do later on,
it was like it didn't dominate. It used to be
like now sometimes it's a struggle to stay up to
the end of a fucking game.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, well, Monday night football used to be on
at nine. You over that, ye forever? It was on
at nine o'clock, and then in ninety eight or ninety
nine they moved it to eight o'clock. And then pro
wrestling was at its height at that time, and the
Monday night schedule sucked that year, so they so Monday
night ratings like dropped significantly. So then okay, we'll split
the difference. We move the kickoff to eight thirty and
still but I mean, like when it was at nine,
it was perfect for the West Coast because you could
come home from work and watch. But the rest of
us will be up at till one o'clock in the
boat and watching a game then having to get ready.
Speaker 1: To do a radio shock. That's all I say.
Speaker 3: But you know, fatigue, travel, mismatches, look at all that.
If you're better, I just think those three rules can
impact better.
Speaker 4: The other thing you want to look at too. And
Warren Sharp from Sharp Football Annoulys. He's an analytics guy,
but he's got all the people pay thousands of dollars
for his betting advice and they win it back. Okay,
Now I'm not saying you should do that. He's about
a seventy percent winner, but he wins more than most people,
and he believes in this thing called net rest edge.
The Bills benefited from it big time. Last year. The
forty nine ers got killed with it. Last year, the
forty nineers missed the playoffs. Now this year, the forty
nine is gonna benefit from it. But the point is
is that, Okay, not only how much rest do you have,
but how much rest do your opponents have going in
those games? Every week? When you bet? You should look
at that. Okay, who did money? You find it a sharp,
sharp football analysis. But you can just look at a schedule. Okay, well,
where did Atlanta play last week?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And who did they play?
Speaker 4: And where did that team play the week before? And
when did they play? What's the net rest edge? Okay,
because that plays a factor.
Speaker 1: I think it does.
Speaker 4: The Bill's net rest edge this year, actually for the
first time this twenty eighteen is negative. But their opponent's
schedule is the easiest in the NFL, so it kind
of balances out of all the Wait, we hope they're
favored for every game. I understand, but that doesn't mean
ats against the spread they're going to quote win every game.
Speaker 9: Do you you.
Speaker 1: Bet on preseason the other day?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The first game? Did you bet on the game against Chicago?
Speaker 4: But I bet the Bill's Giants, and I got screwed
when Frank Gore's knee hit the ground before the ball
went into the ed zoneor else I would have gotten
the points and covered in won four games for preseason games.
Speaker 1: Do you do fantasy football?
Speaker 4: I am not a fantasy football player. I know people
who live for Fantasy two. I am not a fan.
I'll do daily fantasy on a Sunday like okay, just
pick your team right now. But I do not do
like fantasy leagues.
Speaker 1: Well, fantasies.
Speaker 4: They don't involve football.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, being president man in the Man like that.
Speaker 3: I was hoping that it would be something more. You know,
when I hear the word fantasy. When I hear the
word fantasy, I mean Fantasy Island was a show.
Speaker 1: Hey boss, you played?
Speaker 4: I just think it's so like funny. Fantasy football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, fantasy football, but it makes a lot of
people money and become a big deal.
Speaker 1: I don't have.
Speaker 4: I just don't need to hear about it on the radio, all.
Speaker 1: Right, But I don't. Well, we did fantasy high school.
Speaker 4: Foot that was different, that was high school football, and
people actually got into it. Yes, I want to hear
my kid's name, yeah, but that was local. I don't
need to hear about a radio show host fantasy team.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: But fantasy football is so relatable to people. And I
even know women that are getting in one hundred dollars
a person or one hundred dollars a team or whatever
it is, and they're all in there and and they're
like really into it, they're really studying up. Like somebody
is like, I'm going to be out of town for
the draft. I'm gonna get fucked on this thing. And
I'm so pissed, and I go, this is funny, funny
because one like, right, we think that women aren't paying
as much attention, but they are, and they probably know
more than most guys do.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I love.
Speaker 3: The most is the punishments for some of these leagues,
Like these things have gotten great. I don't think we
have any place here that is open twenty four hours
eating establishment that's open twenty four anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't believe not.
Speaker 4: But waffle is the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Waffle house is, and it's the waffle house challenge. So
a lot of times in the South, if you're on
a fantasy football team and you lose the league, your
your last. You got to do twenty four hours in
a waffle house and stay on social media or check
in on social media to make sure you're really there.
Speaker 1: It could be kind of funny.
Speaker 4: That could be funny. I think the tattoos are silly. No,
I think the I think the humiliation rituals, I think
that's just.
Speaker 1: Let me give you the ones. That's just here's another one.
Speaker 3: Sophere in a fantasy football league, okay, and somebody loses
next year, you have to host the draft. But you've
got to get everything, the cheat sheets ready, You've got
to have the snacks, the drinks, and no request can
be denied from anybody that's coming. How great is that?
How great is that? Here's another one. Here's one that
I like, and I think we should just have this
for a general bet.
Speaker 1: You got to take an essat test. You gotta sign up,
you gotta go, you gotta go to go to the
school you gotta go in.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to fuck you get in there
when you're an adult, but I love this idea. If
we can figure out a way that you'd have to
go take an ssayt test and we get to pick
the score, you have to get like, don't make it to.
Speaker 4: Do you have to do it again?
Speaker 1: I don't know where. You're out of the league for
a year. You're out of the league for a year.
I love that. Don't you think that would be great?
Speaker 4: Let's if you finish in last place?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now there's even ones now that I did see
one where a guy lost his league and he has
to do a dance every day on TikTok until one
of the dances gets ten thousand likes.
Speaker 4: You have to really, man, you got you have to
believe that you are the most brilliant fantasy football player
to participate in a league where that would be your punishment.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, everybody don't well what any one
of those punishments.
Speaker 1: Look, the hosting one could cost you.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, twenty five dollars could right, absolutely, it could
cost you twenty five hundred bucks. I just the sat
one could fucking.
Speaker 3: Humiliate you as to how stupid you really are.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well I know, I know. Some guys in
Buffalo were part of a podcast whom it's not Fantasy Football,
but they get drunk and then take the wonder Lick
to see who the smartest pers.
Speaker 1: It's awesome.
Speaker 4: So they have to drink. Oh that's awesome. You have
to drink at least two I think glasses of bourbon
or something eyes and then they or they have to
blow into it, and they have to be drunk to
blow at least a point eight your point away, drunk
enough to like where you can't down. It takes a
while to get to okay, and then they make you
take the wonderlic test and you gotta get done in
twelve minutes. And some of these guys are scored in
the high thirties to low forties, which is like, like
you're talking about uh near Ryan Fitzpatrick territory. Okay, you
went to Harvard as you know. Yeah, I mean so,
I mean they make you do it.
Speaker 9: Oh, I kind of like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see the wonder Like I would take because even
if you got drunk and you could do, you always
had an excuse do you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: When they make everybody do it if somebody scores high, like, well,
you're just a dumb ass.
Speaker 3: Oh well, they make everybody do it, everybody on the
every but they're drunk, Yes, okay, they all take the one.
That's what I'm saying is drunk, right, drunk, you can
get away with that. I'm saying, sober, sat pretty challenging,
it is, right. How nervous would you be going.
Speaker 1: Into taking this? Sat?
Speaker 4: Oh? Dude, you know me so. I remember, Sarah, you
do not look seventeen.
Speaker 3: So my father had had was going for his masters,
and he had to take the graduate record exams and
I think he got a perfect score in English, which
I think at the time was eight hundred for the
graduate record exam, and he had my mother to take it.
Speaker 1: I remember my poor mom getting all like uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Now on, I think she did well. I think she
had somewhere in the seven hundreds.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't perfect. You did not get it, motherfucker.
You did not get it hundred Here I am so smart.
Speaker 1: So stupid, I can't even verify the story anymore. How
sad is.
Speaker 4: That your mama yesterday that yes, I did.
Speaker 1: Yes, we did a nice little, uh a little different podcast.
Speaker 4: You call it for your birthday yet, well, well it's
not yet. Well you got a birthday coming up.
Speaker 1: I have a birthday coming up, and uh Danny brought
in some stuff. Yeah, we'll take a look at that.
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: If you're looking to celebrate anything and you've got fantasy
football and you need a place for your draft, get
to be TV now because this is going to book
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great food.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if Matt would let stay in the
restaurant for twenty you'd have to have someone with them,
but h or lockey in the mall for twenty four.
Speaker 4: Hours that mall. Yeah, oh boy, that could be fun.
Speaker 1: Like not that you get locked in, but you have
to find a way to stay in. You gotta hide,
you know what I mean. You gotta hide, and you
got to.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that you had to do that anyway. bTB.
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the longest happy hour from eleven to six. The brunch
is fantastic. It's award winning h in my opinion. The
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Speaker 1: Didn't you have the eggs?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: The burrito frieday?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, it was incredible. Yeah, but
I took half of it home.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And then on Saturday night, I had the uh the
I don't think it's say garbage plate, but I had
something like the garbage plate burrito.
Speaker 1: I think you had their plate, Yeah, the plate burrito.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with the fries. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: It was incredible, the meat sauce. And they sell it
outside of bTB. It establishments. Uh, that is truly award winning.
And I would say Dan that I ate an entire
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Speaker 1: I know I watched that was pretty good.
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sliver of a slice.
Speaker 1: But I did. I didn't want to be a whole pack.
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I always like Billy Billy idol in excess.
Speaker 1: There's someart of my guilty pleasures. George Michael was a
guilty pleasure mine. I thought he was super talented.
Speaker 4: I subscribe to the theory that the dude from training
Pat Monahan has. There are no such things as guilty pleasures.
You like what you're like, Yeah, he was starting.
Speaker 3: With a guilty pleasure because I was brought up with
Irish guilty.
Speaker 1: No, of course, I don't know if you had Italian
guilted though.
Speaker 4: Well, I remember what people were talking about. Oope. I
remember when people were talking about George Michael in the
eighties and nineties, and I'm like, is this guy gay?
Everyone's like, no, no, he's not gay. I'm like, oh, okay.
He always were pink. He always said it was well groomed.
And I'm like, you sure he's not gay, No, he's
not gay.
Speaker 1: And then all of a.
Speaker 4: Sudden we found out, oh, George Michael's gay. I didn't care.
I'm just like Michael. Well, you know, I didn't know
what gay was, but I knew something was up with
that guy.
Speaker 3: Albany picture it as Dan would say, picture it Albany.
Speaker 4: Silver Creek nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 9: No, this is.
Speaker 1: Albany ninth scene.
Speaker 12: It might have been eighty nine, ninety PEPSI arena go
to a hotel, gonna go see Billy Idol and uh
my buddy, Jeff Cotts, you're getting in that.
Speaker 1: It stops and on walks Billy Idle and Jeff turns
around and goes.
Speaker 4: Fucking Billy fucking Idol.
Speaker 3: It's like short and he goes I grabs him by
that like the collar goes ah and then he gets
out of the elevator like the next floor.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what he was doing, but it
was strange. It was like a fleeting moment. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always remember it with Billy Idol. Love to see
Billy Idol. He's a guy like to sit down. One
I'm pretty sure dancing with myself is that the video
where the girl like turns it up and it's like
this supposed to be like the nerdy neighbor and she
comes down and says, my STEREO's not working, and then
she puts on and she's dancing around in like her
schoolgirl outfit and she's probably underage, like my Dad's not home.
Speaker 1: Mysterio's not where it kill used yours.
Speaker 3: But one of them, I think it might be that
there's one where you only see Billy eyed on the
wall and picture frames because he got new motorcycles and
he couldn't stand.
Speaker 1: He was in a wheelchair.
Speaker 4: He's in a wheelchair, like when Queen, when Freddy was
going downhill, they would have videos where they just compiled
a bunch of highlights from the past concerts. Right, everybody's like,
what's wrong with Freddy?
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. The synced it up and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Well he just released the record. I'm sure he's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Dan was very kind and I I always get embarrassed
at this kind of stuff, but he brought it in
a bag and I it's supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be birthday, I know. And so here's.
Speaker 3: The thing that that that's weird is I'm old now,
like I'm I'm I'm at an age where I go fuck,
Like in one year I could move into and retire community.
Speaker 1: Do you understand?
Speaker 4: You know what I would take advantage of that? I
think the thing I don't know.
Speaker 1: My poms get sweaty thinking about it.
Speaker 4: It's not a nursing home. It's a retirement community.
Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm I don't know. I don't
feel that old.
Speaker 4: You don't look that old.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but you look younger than I do. My
wife will let me color my hair. That's another issue
for another time.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of issues.
Speaker 4: No, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm teasing issues. And yes, I know your issues.
Speaker 4: Are like they're like like sitcomicses.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So they all get wrapped up in twenty two minutes.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 3: But I so, I always thought celebrating your birthday gets ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I think that I enjoy celebrating other people's birthdays.
Speaker 4: You want to celebrate a day of an accomplishment.
Speaker 3: No, that was always my thing, remember, yeah, And I
talked about that yesterday. And I used to tease my kids,
Jackson and Jordan, and they got one of them got
so mad at me, probably Jordan's and uh got his
mother involved. And that's ridiculous. And I'm like, it's just
a joke, but it was. I had like backpedal, backpack.
But my point was, after a certain age, Look, if
you're Jewish, what do they say to you?
Speaker 4: At thirteen, if you're a man yes or a woman no?
Speaker 1: Right exactly?
Speaker 9: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: You can't drive, no, no, can't vote, no, can't work right,
can't all? I always say right because you're right out
of the too.
Speaker 1: So well, okay, but you did a lot of work
to get there. You follow the whatever the protocol is.
Speaker 4: I had an Italian accent, okay, But so.
Speaker 3: I My thing was, why don't we celebrate the day
you accomplished whatever that is that like in the past,
let's say recent two year window, whatever that was. You
hit a home run, celebrate that day. Hey, it's home
run day for doort and everybody, and have a party.
Speaker 4: You went back on the radio for the first time
in ten years, like somebody in this room did.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's quite an accomplishment, quite an accomplishment. So I
just think like that would be something you would you
would celebrate, we'd recognize that. And then maybe it's when
you graduate, and maybe it's when you get your master's degree,
and maybe it's when I don't know you, maybe you're
a scientist, invented I don't know. Maybe you're driving a
race car and you and you you finally.
Speaker 4: Broke top ten maybe you finished a book.
Speaker 1: Finish writing a book?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, finish right away. You aren't you working on
a book?
Speaker 1: I have not. I've been working on other writing things.
Speaker 4: The Jordan Rules ten rules from my son.
Speaker 1: So Dan, do I open this now?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So I like to present it to Yes, okay,
you don't.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, that's fair.
Speaker 4: So you know I know that you like you like alcohol,
you like beer in particular. Yeah, but you also are
trying to remain healthy. Yes, you know. And I don't
want to feed your alcoholism. But I know you like beer.
So let's let's stay with me. But stay with me.
So I got your cookie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love chocolate chip cookie. Yeah, one with
me and beer.
Speaker 4: So and here's how this works. Okay, here's how this works,
so weight watchers or now ww yeah okay, if you
drink a non alcoholic beer, it's considered a vegetable. It is, yes,
so best of both worlds. So non alcoholic kitnis. So
that way when you get the taste of alcohol, but
is want the guinness and not the alcohol.
Speaker 1: You could do that here he did a taste test.
I couldn't tell the difference.
Speaker 4: Yes, I remember, we did that and this other brand
if you've heard of Athletic Brewing Company, but they have
come out with ninety calorie twenty one carb beer that
tastes like beer, but it's not alcoholic. I don't know exactly,
but I know they sell this stuff at Wegmans. That's
the Lemon Rattler pack. And it's in the summer. So
let's not let's summer escape out of it.
Speaker 1: Will have one.
Speaker 4: I have one with you. That wasn't the purpose, but yeah,
but the point is that what you like beer. But
I want to keep you healthy and I want to,
you know, indulge any alcoholic tendencies. So I decided to
put the difference and get your healthy beer, which it's
like drinking your vegetables.
Speaker 1: It's like a V eight. But so is this alcoholic?
Speaker 4: No, it's not alcoholic.
Speaker 1: Wait this one is too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, they're both non alcoholic.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Trying to help. But because because you know, you're fifty
five and four four fifty four fifty four, I'm sorry,
you're not double nickels. You're not double nickels. Okay, so
you're at the very end of what in radio we
would call oh my god. The demographic, Oh my god,
twenty five to fifty four.
Speaker 1: That's that's that.
Speaker 4: That's the big well, twelve plus is the big dance,
but Homecoming is twenty five to fifty four. Okay. So
I'm standing there. I want to get your body tens,
which is alcoholic. Yeah, they didn't have it because somebody's
getting Billy Guinnis. I want to change it up auto
tubes like beer. Yes, very tasty, very tasty.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So I'm going through Wegmans, and I'm like, you know,
they used to have it at Thirsties.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing they used to get it. I used to
get bonding tubes.
Speaker 4: Why did they get rid of it?
Speaker 3: I don't think it was selling well. I think there
was like a couple of assholes who ordered it.
Speaker 1: And I was one.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: Okay. So there's a bar in town called there's a
place in town that used to sell this sandwich called
the Gracious Grace. Me and only eight other people loved it.
They took it off the menu. I wrote them a
strongly worded letter, did you They haven't put it back
on the menu. But I'm going through Wegmans, and I
see these centrum fifty plus vitamins and I'm like, no,
that's not billy. This is more billy. So because I'm
a supplement guy. Yeah, you know Thorn Basic Nutrients. You
get nine vitamins in this and the big ones are A, C, D, E,
and K. You don't want to take vitamin D without
vitamin K, okay because it cold K Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there you go, Vitamin D without vitamin K.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to take vitamin anybody listening, you want
D three and K two. I want those vitamins together
because you want the vitamin D to be absorbed into
the bones, and K two helps you do that. Those
are going to get you started on the track to health.
Because fall is coming. You've gotta be working hard. James
is gonna be coming home from school. Kids are a
Petri dish. You want to be prepared and you want
to get ready for the last ten years of your
life whenever they start. So that's so I decided to
go healthy with you.
Speaker 9: Billy.
Speaker 4: Happy birthday, you know. So I got your beer without
getting you drunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. I'm interested in the athletic. Yeah, it's
like drincking a salad bro mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Is that refreshing?
Speaker 3: Actually yeah, the lemon yeah, it's a lemonade. It is,
but it's not that's the best part bite.
Speaker 4: So yeah. So yeah. The vitamins though, are get your
started in the right path. Okay, yeah, you want to
be healthy.
Speaker 1: Feel like I'm coming back. I think so a little bit.
Speaker 4: I could see there's a little more pepping your step,
letting your pencil.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see it.
Speaker 9: There is.
Speaker 4: You're starting to grow a beard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like it. So I've never had
a beard.
Speaker 4: You're not a beard guy, like You've always been clean shaven.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if you ever came into the morning
show when we're working together and you weren't shaven. Time
that brown he had to go to the hospital again
last night in the r last night, you can tell
me projeck with him? No, no, okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about people that changed over the years,
and I don't I mean for the better.
Speaker 1: It's him. Oh yeah, Tommy.
Speaker 3: Tommy and I used to brag about food we would
make when we were drunk and we came home from
like a comedy club. If we had a gig at
and it was a school night and you had to
get up to do a morning show and you weren't
getting home from the club until like eleven thirty, and
then you already had a couple of drinks there and
you think you're fine, everybody's fine, and you're really not.
You're bumping around your kitchen and I mean we would
have like super sod and cheese and we would then
then what we would decided was the best cure for
the hangover, and it was going to be healthy too,
was a BLT.
Speaker 1: On a pump for nickel bagel.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right. He was big on that BLTs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so but the BLT because it's bacon, let
us to make all right, not bad.
Speaker 1: But the bagel was so heavy. Yeah, and then they
would butter it too, and oh god, you and you
just got fucking so fat and that was half the problem.
And that guy did a one to eighty. He was
a fat motherfucker.
Speaker 4: So it was like a I remember when I was
a Bill's intern and you guys were down with the
WI show with Sally and Joe, t, Tommy, everybody. You
were down there doing the belching Bill bit. But the
rest of it. So they had their own like I mean,
they had this huge he had this amazing setup. Yeah, okay,
And I was down there getting him, guess because I
was a Bill's intern. I remember how Tommy looked.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 4: I never thought Tommy was fat or anything, but he
was thicker than he is today.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So fast forward twenty two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: From a distance, he looked like a fat eighth grad.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Right, So two thousand and seven, fast forward. I
end up the first day I met you, first day
I met you, I was with your old partner or
there on the sports station or yeah, you know, and
I he was he had come over, Brad Davies had
left my station and he was replaced.
Speaker 1: Well he called me, oh no he so you're talking
about John to two.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: John came to me and said what do you think?
Because I I yeah, I was producing. We's at that point, yes, sure,
And he came to me, he goes, what do you think?
And I said, I think if you have to answer
that question yourself, you know, do you want to have
your own show?
Speaker 1: Be your own guy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, I really do. I had my
own show and Urie or something, and I said, then,
then then, and that's what you got to do.
Speaker 4: So I was John's first producer. So there was an
event that rich the ram Fan was hosting the second
Friday of January at the Harrow East fifty to fifty
was playing. It's the worst time of the year to
have a fundraiser, but they had it booked right. So
you were there. I was You were there. You and
I had a long conversation because I was an old
because they clear channel had told me, Hey, listen, at
the end of the month, you're gonna you're We're gonna
have to let you go. We're gonna have to let
you go. We'renna let you work it out because we
don't have enough money to pay us sever and so
you can just show up and just get paid for
doing nothing for the next month. But as of like
Super Bowl Sunday, you're all done.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: So you and I were talking for a bit and
I see Tommy and I'm not sure it's Tommy because
Tommy didn't look like the Tommy that I remember. And
I look at John, I go, is Tommy have cancer?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: Oh buddy, No, no, no, he did look, he lost
a ton of weight. Man, he looks great. He's been
hitting the waits ever since the divorce. Man, he's been
on fire.
Speaker 1: That dude, you.
Speaker 4: Want to talk about talking of recovering fat guy. He
has not gone off the wagon in eighteen years. He
has looked the same.
Speaker 3: He's a great Oh yes, no, yes, get them.
Speaker 4: Because my father died in No. Seven. My father's been
gone eighteen years, so it's been at least eighteen years
since he's been divorced from his first wife. Oh, I'm sorry,
second is the first one that we know. Yeah, true story.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get these I have.
Speaker 4: Do we celebrate Tommy's weight loss with your birthday and cookies?
Speaker 1: That's wonderful.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm all good with that beer and some cookies. Well,
thank you, Danny, Happy birthday.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm sure Kevin's got something bigger and better playing tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Okay, what I don't know, I I shouldn't make a
noise like that.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard anytime I make a noise into a microphone.
Speaker 1: Is cause he asked me.
Speaker 4: He asked me if I was going to be in town,
and I'm not gonna I mean, I'll be in town
but I'll be I gotta go to bed early.
Speaker 1: I got an early flight to New York. Yes, you're
down there for the weekend.
Speaker 4: Ye go to watch Yankees Red Sox.
Speaker 1: When do you come back?
Speaker 4: I come back Monday evening.
Speaker 1: They're very nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we wonder I gotta beat the hurricane.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Kevin has something somebody coming into.
Speaker 4: What's a big deal. I don't know who it is.
I have no idea. He hasn't told me. He doesn't
tell me anything.
Speaker 3: He hasn't told me either. That's it. It's only no
all right. We'll take a moment. A little bit of
an etiquette issue that I read and it reminded me
of something that I go through often. Um, and it
actually happened with you recently.
Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get to all that right after this.
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Speaker 4: He had a ton of hits, Yeah, Michael Hutchit had
an amazing look, an amazing voice. In the circumstances surrounding
his death are cousin like, what do you mean he died?
I think March of ninety seven. Yeah, and they say
it was by suicide.
Speaker 1: I think it was all ironic.
Speaker 4: Fix that's the well, that's the thing. But he sent
he got into an argument with his ex wife the
morning that he died. He sent flowers to his ex
wife and daughters saying I love you all, and then
they find him hanging by a belt in his hotel room.
His ex wife had been in a relationship with Bob Geldolf,
and I don't know if they still are or what. Well, so,
but was it autoerotic a fixiation or was he killing
himself and trying to like pleasure himself before he did it,
or was.
Speaker 1: One last right coming and going at the same time. Yeah, yeah,
there's a lot of I never.
Speaker 3: Got that autoerotic asphyxiation thing.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that Like.
Speaker 4: David Kernendine died of that too.
Speaker 1: He was like, wasn't he the kung fu guy from
the seventies?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was in Kill Bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think like that was another one.
Speaker 3: It was so strange, Like I go, what if it's
if people are dying doing it? I mean, I guess
they're We could say that about anything, but that, you know,
because you had.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this, but some people like to be.
Speaker 3: Lightly choked during right, Yes, but there must be some
kind of like high you get off an horn gas brains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gotta be. And so if you can know.
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What were you doing under the cowboy?
Speaker 1: It's so weird funny how we discovered stuff?
Speaker 4: Hell who decided a bunch of flowers would make great heroin?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know how many steps you gotta take to
do that.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, you know sometimes whatever's going to get you
to that higher feeling. I read something that I don't
know what the what people's feelings are in this, But
a twenty eight year old guy went on Reddit and
he talked about how he went out to dinner with
his dad and he asked for to go box and
his father was paying, and he admitted to over ordering,
like he ordered a side and just couldn't finish it,
and so he asked for it to go box, and
his father scolded him, saying it was rude and wasteful,
assisting that when someone else is paying the bill. Now,
this guy's twenty eight. This is going on, and this
is why I don't know if this is like a
real thing or you know what I'm saying, or like
a made up thing like.
Speaker 4: That seated Dub and Dumber where they say sea bass,
offer to pay your chests yes, and they start grabbing
all this stuff at the counter. Yeah, put this out
there too, But.
Speaker 3: His father's going to call him rud and wasteful, insisting
that when someone else is footing the bill, you shouldn't
pile on extras. You can't eat. So I guess the
argument escalated. The son offered to rene burse his dad.
His dad said he was missing the point, and some
agreed with the father on Reddit, citing respect and etiquette.
Others sided with the son, saying it was harmless and
the dad over reacted, which is what now?
Speaker 1: The phrase is it's not that deep? Okay, that's that's
what the kids are. Not that deep? Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that that deep?
Speaker 1: I hear that so mid here, it's so nice, it's
so mid You over base.
Speaker 3: Like I say no, no, no phones at the dinner
table at dinner tonight, and then the phone comes out,
and I know he's recording me, and he's trying to
get me to react, and I won't do it. And
I don't know if he's got somebody on face, I
can't tell. I don't know anymore. And I'm going to
give me the phone. I told you no phones at dinner,
but I'm not going to get up in LUNs across.
So now there's rock mad a fucking video of me.
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Speaker 3: Danny took Jamison and I out to dinner and Jamison
ordered a whole second meal.
Speaker 1: Jason, whatever you want, whatever you want.
Speaker 3: I was fucking mortified, and I didn't make a big
deal about it because you seem to be I know,
I offered dessert.
Speaker 4: I understand, but he liked the ribs that I had. Yes,
He's like, bro, can I getn't ordered that? And said,
but yeah, what I offered to buy you guys dessert?
Speaker 3: The mere fact here's what I I didn't care.
Speaker 1: Here's what I don't get. And this is the part
where I'm lost.
Speaker 3: I it feels like you got no concept, Like.
Speaker 1: Who does that?
Speaker 3: A fifteen year old kid might Okay, When I was
a fifteen year old kid, I wouldn't fucking do it, Okay,
I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would say can I have a
meal to go?
Speaker 4: Maybe he wasn't raised right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: May be, I mean, you might be honest, something here.
Speaker 3: I don't know that you may be that's the part
that like I.
Speaker 1: It just it drives me creaty.
Speaker 4: Oh, if I were that situation, I would probably I
personally did. I did not care. I offered dessert and
he wanted rips for dessert.
Speaker 3: Like them all, sometimes I have to just step back,
asked you if you want it's up to they were
great ribs. No, I know, but I mean there's a
line between enjoying generosity and I think.
Speaker 4: Abused it, taking advantage and.
Speaker 1: Abusing it, you know. And is it rude to take
leftovers when he didn't pay? I don't know. I can't
really say that.
Speaker 4: With the guy's dad. I mean, it's his dad. And
maybe is he broke? Is this kid broke or is
he really hungry? Is he like, you know, I know
what it's like to be starving? And no, he just
like somebody offers you a couple of chicken fingers, you
take an extra one. I know what that's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to order to side an extra side
and just was like I can't, I can't finish it.
Speaker 1: I like going to a dinosaur barbecue and you get
an extra sign like that comes to two side? Can
I get a third?
Speaker 3: I go, yeah, And so I think that that's probably
what it is. But I know my father would like
that was always the thing with my dad, and my
mom even said it on the last episode. Uh, he
would walk around, well, my wallet's burp and sky's the limit,
and then you'd order something and he'd but when we
had two years ago, it'll be two years ago this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Mirabow, we went to mirror Bau.
Speaker 4: Whatever you want me may bo oa bill, Oh my god,
this wallet is perfect money. Jamison did what Shortan ordered?
Speaker 3: What so Jackson Jackson ordered like an eighteen dollars?
Speaker 1: No, it's Jordan, wasn't it? No it was Jackson. It
was Jackson. Maybe they both.
Speaker 4: Did and didn't order sew Martine, All right, hang on
a second, hang on, like Garth and Wayne's world would like,
hang on, hang on, because this is exactly what this is, okay,
And it does become one of these things where who's
right and who's wrong in terms of it if you say,
you know, and some people are very black and white
with things.
Speaker 1: I live more in a gray world than I kind
of look at.
Speaker 4: Things and go nuance. Yeah, some nuance.
Speaker 3: But my old man did say it's on me Thanksgiving,
the entire family. So it's me, my three boys, it's
my brother, his wife, their two kids, my sister, her
husband and their two kids, and my mother and my
father who are no longer buried.
Speaker 1: But that was, you know, so.
Speaker 3: We the Morans at Mirebau. Yeah at Mirebau off limits
in Rhinebeck. So Jackson, the boys or all order cocktails.
I happened to get be the lucky person who gets
to sit next to my dad. My sister's on one side,
but for whatever reason, he he and she are side
by side. I'm on the corner, so I'm I'm kind
of where you are to me, and so he has
I'm in his line of sight. So I'm getting the
I'm getting the I'm getting the frustration.
Speaker 1: I'm getting the frustration. And he goes, uh, what what
And he's like, my hearing age, what do you were?
What do you were?
Speaker 4: What's an eighteen dollars cocktail?
Speaker 1: Hunch an eighteen dollars? What Jesus God today?
Speaker 3: And I'm going you said so, And now I'm like
trying to fucking flag my kids like I'm at a
fucking airport.
Speaker 1: I'm waving napkins. I'm doing all this shit, trying to
get their attention, going fucking cut the ship with the drinks,
just get anything other than this thing. Then the woman
comes around and she says, uh, wine, you know who
wants while my brother is off wine, wine, wine, wine.
My brother goes, why we just get a bottle.
Speaker 3: My father goes, what what did Kevin do? Now I
have to be the one sitting next to him, and
I got to hear all this.
Speaker 1: I hope you're listening somewhere.
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there and I here, what did he do?
And then Katy goes a of have wine? My mom
off wine, Morgan off wine. That's when I'm and I
and they go, what are you gonna have? I go,
I guess I'll have wine, so.
Speaker 1: Making two bottles. My father goes, what did he do?
Speaker 4: He can't hear two bottles?
Speaker 1: Did he say? Two bottles?
Speaker 4: So well?
Speaker 1: Who wha wa woa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoah woah
woa whoa whoa whoa whoa. I want to know the price.
Speaker 4: I want to know the price on these bottles, which
my father always used to say, if you have to
ask the price, you can't afford it.
Speaker 1: This is the thing that's so. You can't be the
thousand air who's gonna throw around your.
Speaker 4: Fucking money, no credit card, millionaire, can't do it, can't
do it. My father always used to say, everybody always
knew it. My father walked in the room, or my uncle.
It was on them.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's great.
Speaker 4: And the same thing with my The reason was because
like he never wanted to ask, He never wanted to
look like he couldn't, you know, get whatever you want.
It's how he was. It's how he was. I'm kind
of the same way.
Speaker 3: Actually, But my my, my dad always picked up the
bill forevery but he made a big point of this,
right and but they didn't have prices on the menu anything,
of course.
Speaker 4: That so they do. Now you kind of understand what
you're walking into.
Speaker 1: Now we find out, I think, because he's going to
be how much a bottle? You think to this?
Speaker 3: How much?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 9: What do you think a bottle?
Speaker 1: And I go, I don't know that. I go, I
have no idea, Well, what what what do you think?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 9: Some wines?
Speaker 1: I go, I'm gonna say anywhere from fifty fifty dollars
a bottle. I go, I go, give me anywhere from
fifty to.
Speaker 4: A hundred dollars. What So, now now you know you
don't have to tip on alcohol, right, But so.
Speaker 1: There's like, so my entire Thanksgiving there, I'm just sitting
there and like, and at that point he was starting
the Parkinsons was getting bad. So I just walked with
him to the bathroom and he's he's motherfucking the whole way,
who does this? And you know, I'm hosting this thing
and they turn on the TV to have the game on.
That's pretty rude. But the TV's behind him. It's not
even like he could see it.
Speaker 13: He's just bitching, just a bitch because I don't know,
if he doesn't have control, you would think this age
and knowing that you were leaving the He didn't, But
you're leaving the planet in less than two years.
Speaker 1: Just let everybody be just enjoy.
Speaker 3: The moment, the moment and the chaos. But he added
to mine, and so this kept going on. I think
it turned out to be seventy eight dollars a bottle
for the wine. Okay, And at a place like that,
that's what you're gonna pay yeah, sixty bucks, so and
then Jackson orders a second martini. What is he doing
to waiting? Let me tell you something that's pretty goddamn
roon on somebody else's time. Same thing like this letter,
this rediquid, somebody else's time and this guy. So the
next year we go out again, this time not to Mirbeau,
and the reason we didn't go to Mirebau is he
didn't like the food. He didn't think the food was
that good, and so we go somewhere else. And this year,
instead of asking, we start our own alcohol bill and
then he gets wind of it. It gets pissed and
insists I'm paying for everything and takes it. But at
mere Bo while we're sitting there, he fucking gets.
Speaker 1: The bill Dan, and he goes, oh, oh, sway under
what I thought. It's not a problem.
Speaker 4: Sounded a signifying nothing, nothing, and I go, what the flop?
Speaker 1: What the flip?
Speaker 3: And then Bot never let it go even the next year,
saying the jacker got one of those eighteen dollars, like
he kept saying it to Jackson, right if you If
I asked Jackson about it, he'll And then it was
like we're walking my liquor store. He goes, Uh, anybody
want to go in and see if they have a
seventy eight dollars bottle of wine?
Speaker 1: Anybody want to check?
Speaker 3: Like it was always these little digs, these passive, aggressive
digs that were always there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, if it's your kid and he
still lives at home and he's twenty eight years old,
I think that's a you problem too, Red charge them
rent fucking fridge space.
Speaker 4: Yah.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 4: At that point, Yeah, at that point, somebody had to
put their foot down a long time ago, and it's
we're way past putting foot putting down.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 3: And and but it butt to this guy's point. You
were told order whatever you want. You did, you figured
you're gonna eat it.
Speaker 4: I will, as far as Eica goes. You don't take
advantage of the so and I don't know that that's
the case.
Speaker 1: And that's what my father's point was. You don't order
the top when you're yes.
Speaker 3: And I would always be like really nervous not to
want to order the biggest thing on the menu when
I would when.
Speaker 4: I eat the last of something that you didn't pay for.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly know exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's certain things you just don't do,
and if you do do them, people aren't gonna want
to be around you. They're not gonna want to be
around you because they know they they've seen your character,
You've seen who you are, and so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's a uh yeah, I can understand. Man,
I don't know. I it's just so uncomfortable. God, was
that uncomfortable dude?
Speaker 4: Like cause I told him I go get some You
got some dessert? Man, He's like, hey, can I get
ribs instead? I'm like, yeah, sure, I didn't care, but
I get where you're coming from. His package that where
my kid. I feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm just going, what are you doing?
Speaker 5: What? What? What?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 3: There are times with Jamison that I feel like I
live on a different planet, Like a completely different planet.
Speaker 1: I'm told it's not that deep. You get all stressed
out about this stuff.
Speaker 3: Like he's got an orientation the hours were different than
what we thought they were.
Speaker 1: That kind of rearranges my whole day. So I call
him on the way here and go, hey, did you
read the thing? Yeah? I go digit because you gave
me the wrong times well, did you read it? You
got it too? I go, clearly not.
Speaker 3: But I was listening to you and this is your thing,
So I'm trying to put the onus on you here
a little bit. I go, buddy, this is changing. Oh
you know, I'll just go over to so and so's house.
I'm like, okay, how are you getting there? Well, their
mom's gonna pick him up, and how are you getting home?
I'll have her mom drive. I go, you can't just
expect that someone's gonna drive like it's.
Speaker 9: It's I go, what is this?
Speaker 1: And then I see other kids and they're kind of
the same. It's like, what, well, what is that?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just expect it.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a I didn't expect ship. My parents wouldn't.
They bitched I didn't play winter sports.
Speaker 9: You know why?
Speaker 10: M hm?
Speaker 1: Driving out in the winter.
Speaker 3: I got to go to a private school that I
got into because my father said I was going to
play sports and he wasn't driving back into Poughkeepsie to
get me.
Speaker 4: My my father for forbid me to play basketball or
hockey because he didn't want to buy the equipment for
hockey and bring me all the way back to Fredonia
to play at you know, and then as far as
basketball goes until like seventh and eighth grade, where I
could like, you know, take the sports bus back and forth.
You know, he didn't want me to play because he
thought it was organized chaos. But he didn't want he
didn't want to have to get on the road in
the winter, That's what it was. He didn't want to
have to do that.
Speaker 1: So but it's such a fleeting short time that you
you miss it, yes, or you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it could change your life. You could have
had that story.
Speaker 1: But watch what happens. Like when Kevin's kid, final kid
is done with hockey.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be lost, Yeah, because what was
he gonna do with himself? No, it's such a bonding
thing for so there's a I've been trying to look
this up on my phone.
Speaker 4: There's a scale. I forgot what it's called. It's like
the giving scale where it starts out with like, you know,
like you're you're you're you're grateful for something that somebody
gives you. Then the second time you're with that person
who gave you something you didn't expect, then there's like anticipation.
Then the third time, there's expectation, and then the fourth
time it's actually it's not expectation. What's the it's like entitlement.
There's a scale for that, and there are groups of
people who are out there you can identify as one
of those people who you know, all of a sudden
start hanging out with you because you're so generous, and
then they go through that scale all of a sudden,
if you don't give them what they expect or entitled to,
they don't want anything to do with you anymore. All
of a sudden, you're a jerk when the reality was
you didn't have to be nice in the first place.
Speaker 1: You know, well that's a shitty person.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, well okay, here here's an example from the Gospels.
People were following people were following Jesus around huge when
he was like turning water into wine, h the fishes
and the lobes, like he fed five thousand, then another
time he fed four thousand. But when they started calling
people out for their sins, they left.
Speaker 1: There's people like that, Greg Connors.
Speaker 3: But once those chickens tryumph, Yeah right, I know right here,
you go all of a sudden, like.
Speaker 4: I can't take the rest of the figures home. I
can't take the other subs home.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the doors have a song. When the music's over,
turn out the lights. You know, as long as the
music's playing, everybody's happy.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: You don't ever want to be that person, you know.
I try to be as generous as I possibly can't,
because they know what it's like to be on the
other end of it. Okay, you know, yeah, I know
what it's like to be on the other end of it,
so I don't I don't care, but I understand when people.
Speaker 11: Were like, man, like, oh, so are you gonna be Uh?
You got any extra concert tickets? Hey, you got any
extra food? You know, Like, you know, we know people
like that, We know people like that. Nobody on this show.
Speaker 4: I'm making me it.
Speaker 1: You're making me it literally literally my skin is it?
Speaker 4: Why is that?
Speaker 3: Because it's just because I lived that for so long
with self, and it's like it's it's uncomfortable and you
don't want to say no to anybody and you don't
want to be rude to them. But yet at the
same time, you know, this is where the term that
it's popular is boundaries.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I'll say this. When I was
in radio, I had a lot more friends, yes, and
when I gotta let go all of a sudden, I
didn't hear for those same friends. And I was a
broke radio dude, but I was connected.
Speaker 1: You got it exactly right. That's right.
Speaker 3: Well, Dan, thank you very much for the uh for
the that's actually really good. Then non alcoholic, that's pretty good.
Speaker 4: It's like this happy happy lemonade. Yes, it's not alcoholic.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's athletic.
Speaker 4: If you get a chance, watch Hard Knocks. I want
to get your take on the last ten minutes, just
the last ten minutes in a week. I'll see you
a week, all right.
Speaker 3: I'll make notes, Yes, that will make notes, and I'll
try to Okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 1: For Dan Marilla. I'm Bill Moran. Will see you tomorrow.