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The intruders yelled. A petrified daughter, tortured 54 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.319 and forced to listen to her parents being shot in 55 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.560 cold blood. I heard shots like pop, she told the 56 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:12.400 nine one one operator. Somebody's broke into our home. Please, 57 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:16.039 I need help. Was this a home invasion or something 58 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:20.919 else more sinister? A deadly betrayal. The real life horror 59 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:24.319 story that happened inside the Pan family home shocked their 60 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.800 normally peaceful, upscale Toronto neighborhood. The Pans were an example 61 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.759 of an immigrant family. Hann and his wife, Big Pan, 62 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.199 fled from Vietnam to Canada after the US Vietnamese War 63 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.879 to find a better life. Their daughter, Jennifer, was an 64 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:44.080 Olympic caliber figure skater, award winning pianist, and a straight 65 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.240 A student. The Pans worked their way up in the 66 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.759 rags to riches story now living in a beautiful home 67 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:55.159 with luxury cars in the driveway. Was it these expensive 68 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.159 items that lured three and intruders with guns into their 69 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.800 home on the night of November eighth to tenty ten. 70 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.400 Find out what really happened when season true crime reporter 71 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.719 and author Alan R. Warren takes you through the details 72 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:12.439 as I unfold in this book of a deadly betrayal. 73 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:16.600 Book we're featuring this s evening is Deadly Betrayal, the 74 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.120 true story of Jennifer Pan Daughter from Hell, with my 75 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:24.000 special guest, journalist and author and podcaster Alan R. Warren. 76 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.680 Welcome back to the program, and thank you very much 77 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.639 for agreeing to this interview. Alan R. Warren. 78 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:31.680 Oh, thanks for having me. 79 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:32.600 It's always a pleasure. 80 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.680 Thank you. It's always a pleasure to have you and 81 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:41.000 the prolific Alan R. Warren. Let's get right to this. 82 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.480 How did you come into position? Why did you pick 83 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.160 this story, Deadly Betrayal? What was it about this just 84 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.720 from looking at it initially that intrigued you and made 85 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:55.240 you want to write a book Deadly Betrayal? 86 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:01.439 I I you know, it was just about the the 87 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:06.439 amount of lies that she had told to her parents 88 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.279 that intrigued me and how she got away with it 89 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:16.240 for years and years, and so that brought me into 90 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.759 the case. And I worked on it for quite a 91 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.920 while actually, and then left it for a while and 92 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:28.079 came back to it. It sort of kept bugging me. 93 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.399 There were so many different details I wanted to know 94 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:35.000 more about, so, you know, it just sort of kept 95 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:35.800 drawing me in. 96 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.839 Now you talk about and if I got these pronunciations. 97 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.519 I just pronounced Jennifer's mother's name, and if it's wrong, 98 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.800 let me know the Vietnamese names, and I might get 99 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.439 the pronunciation wrong. But you talk about Huey Hanpan. Her 100 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.720 father was born and educated in Vietnam during the war 101 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.120 with the US, and in college he took tuel and 102 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:05.720 die and diesel mechanics. And then he also met when 103 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.600 he came to Scarborough suburb of Toronto for those people 104 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.759 who don't know, in nineteen seventy nine, do you say, 105 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.720 or seventy four, and he spoke no English and he 106 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:19.079 had no money, and then he met his wife. So 107 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.120 take it from there where he meets his wife and 108 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.480 where they end up working, and tell us a little 109 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.319 bit about their family. And the addition of Jennifer tell 110 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.040 us a little bit about who they were and their 111 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:36.000 life in just in a suburb of Toronto. 112 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:40.639 Well, who hadntn came from You were right. He was 113 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:45.879 studied in Vietnam and you know, they both did, and 114 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:51.480 they had met once before, but there was no relationship 115 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:57.079 between them, and he chose to come to Scarborough as 116 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.839 that was one of the places they were relocating. This 117 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:05.759 was kind of an exodus from Vietnam. I don't know 118 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:07.360 if people realize. 119 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.040 Because there was probably two. 120 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:12.920 Million people in all that had to flee from Vietnam 121 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:18.120 after the war, and Canada took you know, I think 122 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.040 in total ended up being close to three hundred thousand eventually. 123 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:27.680 And so he went to where he was sent basically, 124 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:32.279 and so did she, and they had met up and 125 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:38.120 it didn't take long before they you know, maybe because 126 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.040 they were isolated within their own little section of town 127 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.360 and speaking their own language and kind of being refugees, 128 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.759 but they got really close really fast. And Beak, which 129 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:57.000 was who became his wife, it came from Vietnam as well, 130 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:02.639 and they both got a job in a manufacturing for 131 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:10.079 car parts and it was Magna International, and actually she 132 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:14.439 was on the assembly line so she was working an 133 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:18.000 assembly line with the parts. He he had a little 134 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.680 bit more education, was moved further into the company than 135 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:23.120 she did. 136 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.720 You talk about, Uh, their life was modest, that the 137 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:34.559 wages weren't very good and probably was expensive to live 138 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.399 anywhere in Toronto, regardless of what year you're talking about. 139 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.240 But they soon had children. They and Jennifer was born 140 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:46.360 June of eighty six and later and eighty nine her 141 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.080 she had a brother named Felix. So those are two siblings. 142 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.320 Tell me about what basically what they were able to 143 00:08:55.360 --> 00:09:00.240 do despite these wages and and really what was the philosophy, 144 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.559 How did the household get run? Who was the boss 145 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:08.519 and how what was the attitude and environment like in 146 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:09.799 which Jennifer grew up in. 147 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.720 Well, definitely the father was the boss and was very 148 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:19.080 I don't want to say the word controlling, but it 149 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.600 was very structured and it was structured to the way 150 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.480 of the whole family had to work to achieve something, 151 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:31.720 and his priority was to have his first born achieved 152 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:37.320 the most. And they wanted the life to go further 153 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.279 and further. So they want their kids to perform and 154 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.399 have a better opportunity than what they did and it 155 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.360 was very concerning. So every dollar they made they kept. 156 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:54.639 They spent nothing on anything frivolous. Everything was essential and 157 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.399 that was it, and that's how they lived. And even 158 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.080 after having the two kids and both working full time, 159 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:04.000 it didn't take them long to move up into a 160 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:11.279 better neighborhood and a nicer home and actually cars that 161 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.679 were respectable. You know, the respectability of working hard and 162 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.000 making enough money to have a decent life was very important. 163 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:25.120 And there's some analysis on them the parents as being 164 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:30.600 tiger parents in the fact that everything had to be 165 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:36.159 laid out, structured, and you spent every waking hour to achieve. 166 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.360 So there was no. 167 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:44.000 It wasn't They didn't have a relaxing social atmosphere that 168 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.799 a lot of traditional Canadian families would. 169 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:48.919 It just didn't go on. 170 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:55.559 You talk about Jennifer's early interests, well, that they directed 171 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:57.639 her too. You also say that with the interests that 172 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:02.240 she had basically were simulated or i thought of by 173 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:06.120 her father. So the piano lessons and figure skating, and 174 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.279 she excelled in both, you say, and that she also 175 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.559 did an ancient martial art called swimming, but not like 176 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:20.159 we would think. But right away before we're talking about 177 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.120 elementary school, not anywhere later than this, We're talking before 178 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:30.039 grade eight. She already had some anxiety about performance and 179 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:36.480 either whether a sport or academic performance. Didn't she Yeah, And. 180 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:40.639 To be a little more specific, her dad wanted her 181 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:46.080 to only be in competitions where she would win an 182 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:50.600 award for her performance. He didn't want her in anything 183 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:53.679 of a group setting. There isn't group sports or no 184 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:59.360 team of anything. Everything was individually granted. So if it 185 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.960 was something like swimming, she could win, skating she can win, 186 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.879 She can be honored for herself, just as in her schooling, 187 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:12.480 and he wanted her to have an all around I 188 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:17.720 guess education in everything that he could. There was time 189 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:23.080 to do everything, and she felt very overwhelmed. And there's 190 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.759 a couple of aspects to that. One big thing was 191 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:29.039 not only the pressure from the parents and what family 192 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:33.440 they did have there, but in the Canadian social climate. 193 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:40.559 She felt very isolated for the young years and was 194 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:44.480 not close to other people. And I think at first 195 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:48.879 she felt the pressure to achieve really well was the 196 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:53.600 only way she could kind of, I don't know, make 197 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:58.399 friends or become popular or become worthwhile maybe. And so 198 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.159 there was a lot of pressure on her, and she 199 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.559 didn't have anybody really to talk to, and in that 200 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.159 same sort of nobody else was going through this in 201 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:09.960 that community. 202 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:17.799 You talked about her feeling much different and again isolated 203 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.799 because had a policy if her father had a policy 204 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:22.840 or parents had a policy of her not wearing makeup, 205 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:28.080 So she wasn't interested or focused on the things that 206 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.759 maybe girls would at a certain age in that age 207 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.559 would be hair and makeup and clothing and status, and 208 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.639 so she didn't have that. So she also didn't partake 209 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:42.000 in birthday parties or sleepovers, so it was really sort 210 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:47.440 of understanding that's quite unusual. And her brother yet, because 211 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:50.200 he wasn't the first born, it was a little more relaxed, 212 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:55.279 and so she felt unusual pressure. And then you talk 213 00:13:55.320 --> 00:14:00.559 about that by grade eight, when she doesn't win the event, 214 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:05.440 get the valedatorian at graduation and she didn't get any awards, 215 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.440 she really felt like a failure. And you talk about 216 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:15.200 soon after she's using her skills to fool her father 217 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:16.799 about her school grades. 218 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:21.399 Tell us about that, Yeah, yeah, she started when she 219 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:26.600 didn't achieve that, she felt like she really disappointed her father. 220 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:31.799 And what happened in cases like that is, he got 221 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:36.519 harder on her, He got tougher on her, so things 222 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.039 were not going to get easier. She had to work harder, 223 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.759 you know, no matter what. And so to take the 224 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.879 pressure off, I guess she decided it to start making 225 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.320 her grades look better than they were. So, you know, 226 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.840 with a photocopier and with white out and a few 227 00:14:55.879 --> 00:15:01.799 other key elements, she started faking report cards and giving 228 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.080 them to her parents, you know. 229 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:07.279 Because she started to drop to c's. 230 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.600 You know, C plus and stuff like that in school. 231 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:11.840 And if that was not good enough, he wanted a's. 232 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:16.039 So she would give herself a's and she would hand 233 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.639 it to him. And the very first time, I guess 234 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.759 she was pretty terrified waiting for his response, and he 235 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.799 fell for it. He believed it, and he was pleased 236 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.559 with the grades, you know. And I have to mention 237 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:34.120 with her brother, Felix, being younger, she also had the 238 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:38.799 pressure of when he was failing, it was her responsibility 239 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:40.320 to help him. 240 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:42.240 Achieve what he needed to. 241 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:47.759 So the father would not look at Felix, he would 242 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:51.399 look at her, what can you do to make him better? 243 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:54.759 It was almost like it was her job to only 244 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:59.039 give herself top marks. And performances, but to make sure 245 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:04.919 he did as well, and he was not. He was 246 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.440 not really that goal orientated, so you sort of have 247 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.759 this him not really caring so much and her being 248 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:14.080 under the pressure. 249 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:15.919 To get his act together. 250 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.399 It was sort of an unusual situation, and I think 251 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.759 it was really even harder on her. So again, whether 252 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.360 it was to take the pressure off of her by 253 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:31.720 lying about her grades or not, I'm not sure what 254 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:32.600 drew her to that. 255 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:40.000 She meets while she's in school someone that's important to 256 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.600 this story, and I'll let you take the last name 257 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:46.039 then pronounce it, but it's Adrian, and she meets in 258 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:51.120 the music class, and so this Adrian is becomes important later. 259 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.039 But she has a little bit of a change for 260 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:58.559 this isolated person in school that she has an affinity 261 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.639 because she say, she's quite a good piano player and 262 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:08.039 the musician. So she does find some friendship and connection 263 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.400 with people via this music lass. Don G. 264 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:16.079 Yeah, yeah, what they If you've never been into the 265 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:20.680 music arts department, quite often there's this a foyer and 266 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:24.400 it's meant for people in music and meant for people 267 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.920 in theater, and it's kind of a place where people 268 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:35.000 would practice their craft or work on their homework, and 269 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.119 so it was all art students. And for some reason 270 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.640 she started hanging there because she felt a little bit 271 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.359 safer there. And I guess she felt less judged because 272 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.839 she was always wearing a sweater and no makeup and 273 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:55.839 was very you know, dressed down. She wasn't anything dressed up. 274 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:56.279 She was no. 275 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.240 Popular kids, so but she felt she could sit in 276 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:04.000 the foyer and hang out. And she started becoming friends 277 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:06.759 with a few people in there, and yeah, one was 278 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:13.680 Adrian and Tim Keats, and they they kind of had 279 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:19.920 a hit it off really well, and almost we call 280 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.759 it dating. It's kind of on the edge. There's a 281 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:25.640 lot of different stories about their relationship in the first 282 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.480 first year, and I kind of take it that they 283 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:36.319 were almost best friends but not, you know, I want 284 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.599 to say dating, and that's sort of how it's presented. 285 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.880 But I get a feeling that on her point, it 286 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:50.200 was never going to be a dating relationship, right, you know. 287 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.640 Now you talk about it, Sorry, go ahead. 288 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:56.839 No, I was going to say it was just he 289 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.599 seemed to like her better than she liked him, as 290 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.480 in right, wanting to go further in the situation. 291 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:08.400 The thing is, though, what was important was that he 292 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.960 did get a chance to meet her parents, and her 293 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.759 parents liked him. He seemed to be a good student, 294 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.839 and he wanted to be an engineer, and he had 295 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.839 his own car, and he seemed to be welcome at 296 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.200 the Pan home. And you said, but despite this, like 297 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.880 you say, maybe the attention wasn't the same. She wasn't 298 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.759 as interested as he was. And within six months she 299 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.079 had met a new boy who was also a musician 300 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.799 and met in the band room as well, Daniel Wong. 301 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.960 So tell us about their early relationship and why this 302 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:44.839 relationship was and his background, his ethnic background. I think 303 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.640 it's important, and why they kept this relationship secret in 304 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:49.200 the beginning. 305 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:53.359 Yeah, Daniel Wong was in there as well, but he 306 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.720 was more of the character. He was the guy that 307 00:19:55.880 --> 00:20:02.440 was always playing jokes, always laughing and loud and always 308 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:06.200 fooling around. And he was just the joker. And she 309 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.680 never took him serious and never paid attention to him. 310 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:10.440 And it was. 311 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.839 When they went on the field trip the band to 312 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:19.119 Austria to Salzburg that on one of their band trips, 313 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.599 she had an asthma attack and he had kind of 314 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.440 come to her rescue and held her and helped her 315 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.440 breathe and all this, and paid an incredible amount of 316 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:34.039 attention to her and her not having any sort of 317 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.079 attention in her life up to them, not like this, 318 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:43.160 not careful attention that she sort of felt for him 319 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.599 almost immediately. She thought he was just an amazing, caring 320 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.000 person and she started thinking about him all the time, 321 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:55.240 dreaming about him. And it didn't take long when they 322 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.759 got back home before she started seeing him and dating him, 323 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:05.440 becoming to you know, his his girlfriend. But that that 324 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:10.119 didn't it didn't go well when she brought him home. 325 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.319 The parents didn't like him at all, you know, and 326 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.039 there was different reasons for that. 327 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:17.440 One was his. 328 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:23.240 Heritage being mixed Chinese and Philippine, which her father thought 329 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:29.720 they were a servant class and they were not in 330 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:35.279 the same position as they asked the pans would be, 331 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:40.079 so he didn't like that. He also didn't like that 332 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:45.119 the boy was not respectful, he didn't have a good job, 333 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:52.240 and originally he wasn't supposed to be known, but Daniel 334 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.680 Wong had been arrested for selling pot and so he 335 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:02.880 had a record. And later we found out that Felix, 336 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:07.319 Jennifer's brother had told their father this, So that was 337 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.920 another thing that her father knew, even though they you know, 338 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:14.240 Jennifer Daniel didn't know this. They just didn't know why. 339 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:17.480 The father was just so rude to them and to 340 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:20.200 him and didn't want him around the house anymore. So 341 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:23.680 that became where they had to keep it a secret then, 342 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:30.119 because you know, the dad was not going to accept him. 343 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:36.039 So she begins she's already doing lying to her parents 344 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:42.440 about her and forging her report cards. Now we're talking 345 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.559 about her getting up to the age where she can 346 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:50.039 go to college and also this relationship. Like you said, 347 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:51.839 she he does get to meet the parents and they 348 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.400 are definitely said to her, you're not to see this guy. 349 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.279 We don't want you to see this guy. It wasn't 350 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:02.640 a suggestion, it was a basic at demand of her. 351 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.039 So how does she go about working around that? And 352 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:08.759 you talk about also that they get separated a little bit, 353 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:12.400 So how do wear school grades? In actuality? Never mind 354 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:14.799 what she does and gives to her father? What are 355 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:16.799 her grades like during this time? 356 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:21.240 Oh, they couldn't well, they could get worse, but not much. 357 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:25.480 They were really she was failing classes. Now, see what's 358 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:29.200 kind of the highest marks you would get and she 359 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.720 was not going to graduate, so the school said, you're 360 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:36.200 not going to graduate, so she made a fake report 361 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:40.640 card again, she also made a fake diploma, and also 362 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:45.240 she even faked her graduation and even the pictures and 363 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:50.240 the whole, the whole nine yards, she just pulled the 364 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:53.319 whole wole over her parents' eyes, like she told she, 365 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:58.079 they believed she had graduated and she went to grad 366 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.839 and the whole works, so in their mind that she's 367 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:06.680 doing great, even though she hadn't. And she, in her defense, 368 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:10.880 said that she was going to go back and graduate, 369 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.720 take courses and finish school. She just would do it 370 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.279 later and not tell her parents so they wouldn't know, 371 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:23.759 So she was justifying it that way. 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