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Speaker 3: A good morning everybody. That was the wrong video that played.

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We were supposed to have the regular intro, but there

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you go. Welcome to today's show. Welcome to today's show.

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My day is part of me Jones. I am the

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host of the Paranormal Spectrum here on the Untold Radio Network,

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and today we have a great guest, so I want

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to get right to that. But first we have our

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big event coming up this weekend finally, Krypton's Anomalies and

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the Paranormal Convention Saturday, May ninth. This Saturday, if you

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are listening live, we are here in Fondlac, Wisconsin. We

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have over twenty speakers and workshop at this event, including

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Ken Gerhard, Chris Fleming, Lee hampl and so many more

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to name. It's going to be awesome. We also have

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over forty vendors for you to come and shop and peruse.

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We kick it off tomorrow afternoon with a kid's Bigfoot expedition.

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Myself and Chris McCurry from the Caps team. We'll be

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leading the investigation with Lauren Smith from Night Callers Radio.

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We'll be teaching kids, all about the safety of the woods,

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how to track creatures, what to look for different environments,

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and just basic Bigfoot knowledge. Tickets are still available for

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both that and our nighttime Bigfoot expedition. Myself, Chris Lauren

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will be joined by Jay Bachochin from Finding Jay here

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in Wisconsin and the Kittle Moraine area, Larry Eisler, Ken Gerhard,

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and Christina Bloom. Christina Bloom is a psychic medium and

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she will be doing channeling, so she is going to

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try and channel a Bigfoot while we were out there.

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It's gonna be a fun time. If you guys don't

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have tickets, get them now, they're still available. Then guys,

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we head down to the Paranormal Chicago Convention Saturday, June

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thirteenth in Countryside, Illinois. It is just one dollar admission

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and free parking. You can't beat that. There's over one

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hundred vendors and it is an amazing time down there.

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Then I will be at the Brownsville Public Library Wednesday,

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June seventeenth, the Cedarberg Public Library Wednesday July twenty second.

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I'll be at Potograss Packerland Paranormal Conference September twenty sixth,

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in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Ryle Community Library October twenty eighth,

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and finally the Belleville Public Library on October thirtieth, just

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in time for Halloween. That's what we got coming up here, guys.

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It's going to be an awesome rest of the year

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and all kicking off this weekend. So without further ado,

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we have an awesome guest. Let's get to it all right.

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This is one of those bios that has a lot

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of big words that I'm gonna get stuck on, So

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here we go. My guest today is Pete Kelsey. He

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is a reality capture specialist with over twenty five years

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of experience lending strategic story driven projects that bring new

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insight to historically and cultural significant places. His work with lidar, photogrammetry,

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multi spectral imaging, terrestrial laser scanners, GPR, and sonar, applying

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these technologies not as ends in themselves, but as tools

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to deeven understanding, preservation and public engagement. His work focuses

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on projects where spatial data can fundamentally change how familiar

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stories are seen, understood, and sustained. Pete's work. Pete's work

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has been recognized by global media outlets including The New

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York Times and CNN, most notably for his leadership on

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the comprehensive three D mapping of Alcatras Island. That project

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combined roots, robots, roots drones, lasers, and high performance computing

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to create one of the most complete digital records ever

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produced of a United States national landmark. His reality capture

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expertise has been featured on national geographic documentary television, including

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Buried Secrets of World War Two, where modern remote sensing

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techniques are used to uncover hidden wartime landscapes and reinterpret

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history through data. Additional television documentary work includes projects for

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broadcasting and digital platforms where reality capture is used to

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visualize inaccessible environments, support investigative storytelling, and complex spatial data

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into compelling onseen narratives. These include National Geographics, Durin the Ocean,

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History Channels, The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, and Discovery Channels

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Expedition Bigfoot, where geospatial data and advanced sensing are used

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to explore controversial or hidden, hard to access locations. Awesome,

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there we go. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome beat

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Kelsey Pete, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, part of me clearly I need an editor

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that that's way too much of the cow. I'm just

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a schmuck.

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Speaker 3: Usually I skim through it. But I really like your bio.

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really like all the stuff that you've done because I

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in our community. You know obviously Skinwalker Ranch, and I

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don't know how many people you know knew that you

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were also on expedition Bigfoot for stuff as well. And

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beyond that, all the really cool stuff that you have

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so much really interesting documenting. Can you can we go

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of it because documenting these locations, like the three D

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scanning of them, and that you preserve that stuff. Tell me,

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tell me more about that.

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if you make the industry term is digital twin. So

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if I scan something, you get a digital twin or

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version copy of that thing. And the greatest part is

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that it lasts forever. Yeah. Right, So this is say

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an Easter Island MOI that I scanned in two thousand

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and seven. That data will far outlive me. So you

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know that that feels good, That makes me tick. And

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then when and if some other person comes along a

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year from now, a century from now scans them again,

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as well. And it's just yeah, it's at the it's

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kind of at the center of everything I do and

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kind of where all television came from and mass media.

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really interesting stuff.

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Speaker 3: Sound there, Man's I mean this is I don't want

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to over emphasize that. This is really cool, like the

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fact that you get to go to like like just example,

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like the Alcatraz stuff, and like you said, if it crumbles,

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if it deteriorates as time goes on, you're preserving all

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that history. And you've done other locations as well and

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worked on other projects with like preservation of historical buildings

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and things, you know, like I think you worked on

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one that they were going to tear down and move.

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was and it's actually still not going. I actually scanned

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it Holy Cow twenty fourteen because they wanted a perfect

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copy of the building before they totally took it apart.

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then it's perfect. So yeah, whether it's I don't know,

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some environmental disaster. A great example is Notre Dame in Paris, right,

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it burned to the ground, you know, some years ago,

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but it had been scanned, so it's been completely rebuilt

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based on the scan data.

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the other stuff. You know that you know, Skinwalker Ranches

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its own whole thing and all this stuff, but there's

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so much other stuff that your technology and you yourself

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have worked on and done and I think that's really cool.

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huge bit of value from the data that I know

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how to create is there's no, in my opinion, there's

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no better medium for providing context than a perfect three

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dimensional colorized model that's accurate to you know, it's sometimes

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to millimeters. Because it even transcends language, right, I mean

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got it? I'm with you, and that you know, that's

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the value for mass media and you know, big audiences,

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big curious audiences with lots of questions, and you know,

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then it gets into you know, the million ways the

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data can be repurposed. And I have a feeling we'll.

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Speaker 3: Be talking about that absolutely when you when you scan stuff,

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can can you pick up color as well? Or is

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it just the you can okay, yeah, cool?

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are light Our scanners have you know, a camera or

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cameras integrated with the scanner to pick up the RGB

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the red green blue the color photographmetry because it's camera based,

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that's just color by nature, but multi spectral. You mentioned

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that in my bio that's that's one of my favorite

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new tools designed to work in agriculture. Actually, it measures

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levels of chlorophyll and green plants. So you know, if

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you're a farmer, you can fly a drone or the

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multi spectral camera and I'll say, hey, more water here,

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really amazing tool for that. But oh, by the way,

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because plants growing over soil that's been disturbed show up

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differently than plants growing over soil that has not, so

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it can show you where people digging. It's so cool.

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couple of years. And by the way, color but color

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the infrared and the colors we can't see. Very cool.

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never noticed that it had color before or anything. So

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Speaker 2: Very cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, if you spend enough money on the equipment, you

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Speaker 3: Awesome. All right, Well, I want to ask you one

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more thing on this stuff before we move on. You've

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mentioned like some of the locations that you've gotten to do,

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like you worked with Alcatraz and you know, the other

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stuff for the history and discovery, and that is there

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anywhere that you still want to go and scan, like

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any historical location that's like your bucket list that you

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the places that have not been scanned that are still

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on that list? And that's that's so much impossible, you know,

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because places like Machu Pichu that's been gone, the pyramids

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and keys that have been done. But I'm because I'm

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pretty familiar with Lewis and Clark, you know, two hundreds

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some years ago opening up the Western US, and of

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course they went right through here. So you know, I've

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been out messing around at some Lewis and Clark sites,

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you know, with permission, of course. So anything historical, you know,

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excites me. I'm trying to think of I got one.

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entire island because I know, I know it would lead

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to discovery and it's a great story. You know, it's

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well known, but there are a lot of there are

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a lot of MIAs from both Japan and the United

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I mean, it's history. It's an amazing and important story.

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much like when I did the Arizona and Pearl Arbor,

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you know, would lean in and say this is great

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and maybe even how can I help? So yeah, Eulogima

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that occurs to me, that would be amazing, amazing, very cool, awesome.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we are going to move right along

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here to some Bigfoot stuff before we get into the

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Skinwalker ranch, because you got to you got to go

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to Expedition Bigfoot a couple of times, been on that

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show show, And I have a couple screenshots here of

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the thing that you captured out in the woods.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't forget that.

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the scan literally drives light Our service providers like me

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completely crazy because it ruins the data and there's a

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lot of clean up. It takes hours and hours and hours.

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anything moves while I'm scanning through the scan area, you

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could almost think of it as like a trap. We'll

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see it. Well, it will show up in the data.

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scanner is turning and the laser beams are fire out

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in all directions, if something moves through the scan, it'll scan.

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You'll see it scan. You'll see it scan. You'll see it.

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a creature object whatever, moving through the scan. They said, oh,

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we love that. Let's let's give it a go. And

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next thing I know, we are in That was the

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Olympic Peninsula in Washington State, middle of the night. And

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the way, you know, anybody who knows the show works is,

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you know, Maria's typically off somewhere, Russell's typically off somewhere.

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I was by myself. I didn't have any of that

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cast with me. It was just me, one cameraman and

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there must have been a sound man, but I remember

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the director was there as well. So what is that

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three or four of us and a long It was

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a two hour drive from the casino where our hotel

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rooms were, way up into the op the Olympic Peninsula,

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middle of nowhere. I mean, civilization literally stops. We are

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in the woods. The only sign of I don't know

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humanity or the Forest Service or not forest service. What

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am I thinking? Forest tree forestry roads because the OP

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is huge for timber and et center anyway, So you know,

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we get off the last paved road and then there's

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you know, dirt roads, and it's just the point I'm

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taking too long to make is the middle of nowhere.

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had been some kind of a setup or a scam,

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it would have been so it would have had to

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have been planned days in advance to get somebody up

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there ahead of us, feel me. So I just jumped

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like ten steps ahead. But that's that's the point of

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saying we were we were remote. Oh my god. So anyway,

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we it's the middle of the night. There's three or

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four of us out there, and we just start walking

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and I heard a sound, well we all did, because

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it was it was like a cannon shot, but more

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like somebody broke a tree in half. You know. It's

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this huge snap, crack whatever. And I've got the scanner running.

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I can't see anything. Didn't hear anything other than this

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big crash, and I don't. I'll pry aside I was.

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I looked at him. I said, I'm done. We're out

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of here, all done. We're going to So we walk

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all the way back to the car, which is an SUV.

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They opened the hatchback. I get up my laptop because

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I'm like, I want to look at the data. Let's

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look at the data. Look at the data. Takes me

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a little while to post process, and you know what

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you've got up on the screen here, you know, that's

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that's not my data. That's sort of the CG computer

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graphics that the show, you know, sort of superimposed over it.

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there we go was pretty organic in the show. And

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I freaked out because that's not supposed to be there.

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And it definitely looked shall I say, humanoid, and it

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was and it had moved through my scan and ghosted

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through the scan. So and I'm you know, I spent

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my career in engineering. So the whole cryptozoology Bigfoot thing

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to me was until I saw this was, you know,

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show me the money. I'm not a believer. I'm not

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you know, I need I need something that will stand

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up to cross examination. And then I see this and went, wow,

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uh freaked me out. Cameras are rolling, it was all live,

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it was all organic and yeah, still no explanation other

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than the truth is in the data. Something moved through

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my scan that looks like a bipedal humanoid thing. Crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, when when I I think you had

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been on Skinwalker Ranch prior to going on this show,

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it like appeared on there, and so I was I

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was familiar with, you know, what you were working on

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and stuff and how things worked in that and to

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see a show up on that show was really cool

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for one. And then you know, watching watching you walk

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through the woods, the pure just your your emotion in

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that moment was really cool that something was there. You

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could tell that wasn't like rehearse, that wasn't you know

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or nothing. I mean, like you freaked out, and I

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don't blame you. I mean, when you're walking through the

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woods and something comes out of the woods act you

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you know you're you're going to react to it. And

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then to have this thing captured, I thought it was

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one of the coolest things on the show that they've

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gotten there.

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Speaker 2: But it's just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what else to say about. That's

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why I want to hear your question.

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Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't either, But what a I mean,

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without exaggeration, what a compelling bit of evidence? I mean,

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you can't fake this stuff. It's it's laser based technology.

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It has one hundred meter range, it fires three hundred

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points per second. It's a lot of data and there's

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something in the data. And you know, for me, well,

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I've already said it, you know, I I what a

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I guess personally, you know, what a humbling moment, right

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because okay, okay, I see what I see. It's in

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my data. And so you know, when the show called

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me back, I'm like, yeah, I'm in. I'm in. Let's

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see what else we can get. So, you know, a

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bit of a I guess, sort of setting the hook

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because I need to make sense of this. You know,

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I'd like to go back to the very same site

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and see if we could repeat it. But the trouble

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with television is they never want to do anything twice

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because people change the channel. It's like, nah, we've already

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seen this. I'm like, are you kidding? Do you know

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what it would mean if we could repeat that? Oh

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my gosh, now we're getting into Yeah, that would stand

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up to cross examination. That would be like here's the data,

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any questions? Very cool? Very cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So to remind anybody that you know, may not have

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seen the episode lately or anything, you were looking you

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got called out there to look for holes or bunkers

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out in the woods, like government bases or something. Supposedly

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they were looking for and I forgot forgotten that. Yeah,

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you had scanned an area and said, oh, there might

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be something here, but I want to go look at

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it at the ground level, and so off you went

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walking through the woods and I got got a little

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off track and never made it to the location.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, right, I've forgotten that, and we did there

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was man made stuff in the drone base Acain I did.

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You're right, I remember that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, very cool, And you've also done You've been on

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the show multiple times. You've talked about this on other

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POTS guests and stuff about your work with the Bluff

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Creek and the Patterson Gimlin footage and hitting the scale

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of it and how cool that is. I mean, that's

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that's really neat to be able to go out there

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and now we have a full three D scan of

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that as well for preservation, because I mean that area

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gets hit quite a bit with wildfires and stuff, and

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luckily it's survived so far. But it's it's awesome that

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you you got a chance to preserve that as well.

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Speaker 2: Well. Not to mention if that means I've described that,

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uh what do I call it? Adventure as that's the coolest,

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most fascinating, most interesting forensic project I've ever done, ever,

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and I've done a lot. We go to the Patterson

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Gimlin film site, and again a conversation with a production company. Hey,

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we're going to go to the PG film site. You

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have any ideas And I didn't even blink. I said,

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what if I could tell you how tall the creature

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Patty is in the film? What you could do that? Yes,

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if there are still items at the film site, trees, rocks,

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fallen logs, whatever that are in the film, if they're

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still there and I can scan them, we have access,

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My scanner has access, then yeah, I can give you

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accurate geometry to anything in the film. So you know,

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you know, Maria, you know, well, what's the length of

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the humorous and stride length? And you know, but when uh,

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you know, I don't want to give this away, but

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we've you know, yeah, we know how tall pad he is.

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And then yeah, I loved I love this bit of

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the story because when I first saw the data and

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did the measurement and it said foot three inches tall,

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Oh God, I am going to be the audience is

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going to crucify me, because you know, that sort of

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points the needle more at a man in a monkey

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suit than these seven eight foot tall creatures. So you know,

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I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry guys,

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but they did it. Isn't Lie six foot three and

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Marada and blank. Yeah, but she's female, and run the math,

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run the math, and all the great ape species the

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males are x percent taller than the females. So run

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the math and oh yeah, a male version of Patty

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would be seven eight feet tall. And I was like,

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oh god, thank god, I'm going to live.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's there's a lot of difference in size there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I say, I mean that and when

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I when I learned that that's the second most filmed

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watched film in history. Okay, this is going to be

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this is going to be cool. You know what if

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it works and and the data is sound and we

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can figure out. I mean, at this point now that

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you know that's a few years ago. Now, selfishly, I

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still wonder how come that hasn't received a lot of press.

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Speaker 3: Right that It's it's weird, you know, all the stuff

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that does and doesn't make the news, you know, like

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I don't know all the the UFO disclosure stuff in

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that too gets kind of swept under the rug and

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people pay attention. But yeah, I don't know, so in

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your in your opinion, there's there's been a lot of

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talking controversy of the whole you know, Patterson Gimlin footage

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being a guy in a costume, especially with this supposed

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documentary that came out that nobody's really seen except for

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like four people. But anyway, do you do you believe

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that it's an actual creature or do you think that

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it's a person in a suit based on what you

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scanned and what you you got from that data?

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, well, I don't know which I don't again

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because my background is engineering, and you know, will whatever

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I do is stand up in court across examination? You know,

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I don't think I can say in terms of what

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I've done. You know, we're there, But you know, personally,

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Patty sure looks like a female grade ape to me

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in the film, mhm, you know, uh so and admitting

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confirmation biased? You know, would I would? I? Would? I

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be one who was thrilled to learn that there's a

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seventh you know, great age species. Hell, yes, because it's

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one of my favorite things is Disruptive science is when

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a narrative that we're all used to and know and

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have known for centuries whatever goes turned on its ear.

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I love when that happens, and I don't care what

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the subject is. So yeah, I'm hoping that you know,

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there will be irrefutable evidence at some point that you know,

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all of us can just go with all the humility,

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any questions.

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Speaker 3: Exactly awesome. All right, guys, we are live in studio today.

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We are chatting with you. If you're watching this on

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YouTube right now. Uh so, so if you have questions

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for Pete, get them in the comments here. We are

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going to move into what I think a lot of

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people have been waiting for and want to talk about,

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and that is the new season of the Secret of

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Skinwalker Ranch or not not necessarily a new season, but

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the new season comes out on May nineteenth. We are

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in season seven right now. So with that being said,

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we're not going to get into spoilers and all that

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stuff for anybody that's out there, you know, NDAs and

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television stuff. I get that. So with that being said,

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if you have any questions on anything that's happened on

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the show or Lidar or scans or anything in general

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from any of the other previous six seasons or anything

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that you want to know. Throw them in the comments

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and we will get to them as soon as we

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can here. So, first off, I want to talk to

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you about this big dome bubble thing.

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Speaker 2: Right.

471
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Speaker 3: So, I'm familiar with how light our works. I'm familiar

472
00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:01,200
with the technology and stuff. But my question is, and

473
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:04,559
I'm not looking for like you know, hypothesis and you know,

474
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,519
speculation and stuff of all that. This is this pure science,

475
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,360
is what I want to go with today's show. What

476
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,840
would it take because this is these are lasers, This

477
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,679
is light that you're using for mapping, So what would

478
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,159
it take for it to hit that is giving you

479
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,440
that feedback of a bubble? You know, if there's nothing

480
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,280
that we can see up there, what other things can

481
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,159
light our hit and bounce off against.

482
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with current understanding of physics and disclaimer, I'm

483
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,639
not a physicist, unfortunately, you know Travis and Eric at

484
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,760
the Ranch are. But so it's infrared laser light and

485
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:57,320
for you, the term is return for and how I

486
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,880
know you know how it works. But the laser fire

487
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,400
the three hundred two two million times per second fires,

488
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:11,239
and to get a return, it either has to interact

489
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:20,239
with something with mass or reflectivity. That's basically it. Now,

490
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,360
the other bit of Technoobabbel is it is a time

491
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,840
of flight device and that means to get that return

492
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,920
at two million times per second. If it's the terrestrial

493
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,639
laser scanner, which is what the DON has showed up

494
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:47,719
in several times, it's it's amazing technology. It's because it's

495
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,079
speed of light. Right, the laser fires, goes out, interacts

496
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:56,199
with something and comes back and it creates one point

497
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:05,400
xyz location right latline long elevation at that item. But

498
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:10,760
it's determined by time. How long did it take that

499
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,000
laser beam to go out, interact with something and come

500
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:18,840
back at times that, based on that calculation, sets a

501
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:28,199
point in space. So long preamble, apology, apologies, but this

502
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:36,159
is what makes it so fascinating is the dome the

503
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,880
bubble is at more than two x the range of

504
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:47,280
the scanner. That's the first head scratcher. Okay, so it

505
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,320
shouldn't work at all. There shouldn't be anything that far.

506
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,679
There shouldn't be any returns possible that far away from

507
00:36:53,719 --> 00:37:03,920
the scanner. So what could cause something like that I

508
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,679
mean your question, I have no idea, And I've been

509
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,079
using TLS terrestrial agent scanning for over twenty five years

510
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,599
all over the world and all kinds of environments, and

511
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,360
I have only seen this happen in one other place,

512
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,599
which is the Miller Ranch in southern Colorado, which was,

513
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,000
Oh my gosh, that's a whole rabbit hole we could

514
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:36,880
go down as well. But the point is I haven't

515
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,280
seen it before. Other than that one time, we've been

516
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,440
able to repeat it. This bubble has shown up in

517
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:55,199
numerous scans, So those are the facts. From there, I

518
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,480
can only speculate. And I've been talking about this for

519
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:03,599
some time. You know. That's and no pun intended, because

520
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:09,360
it's a time of flight device. You know, I had

521
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,079
this thought a few years ago. Well, guys, what about time?

522
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:22,320
What if I mean as completely you know, lock me

523
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,079
up butterfly net nuts as the sounds. What if time

524
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:34,199
is either stretched or compressed or both on that property, Well,

525
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:40,599
that would affect the time measurement, right, So if the

526
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,480
time was compressed, we could get stuff like returns underground,

527
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:52,760
which we've got. If time was stretched, that would explain

528
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,800
returns beyond the range of the scanner because it's somehow

529
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:04,880
spoofing the clock measuring the laser time of flight, which

530
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,800
pure speculation, but god, that is God. It hooks, It's

531
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,280
hooks in me. It's just it fascinates me to no end.

532
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,800
And working with the vendors who make the hardware and

533
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,559
the software, you know, we're all just going this is

534
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:33,199
completely off the charts. Nobody can explain it. So wow,

535
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,360
it remains enigmatic, but for me personally fascinating that is.

536
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,320
I want to run that to ground. And I'm sure

537
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,480
that there are you know, millions of you know, folks

538
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,639
around the world who were watching the show. I'd like

539
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,360
to understand that as well. Count me as one of them,

540
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:50,599
probably the first.

541
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: So I've gotten to work on a couple locations I've

542
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,280
gone out to, not on the Skinwalker, but I've worked

543
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,880
on Ufo Valley Campground, which is right next door. You

544
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,719
got to be familiar to that, but I've gotten to

545
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,480
go out there and investigate. I've investigated a place here

546
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,000
in Wisconsin that is Lee Hample's Hayfield and it is

547
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,639
off a break road here and it is very similar

548
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,000
to a lot of the stuff going on at Skinwalker.

549
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:19,239
So I've I've gotten to experience a lot of these

550
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,440
phenomenon for myself, and it is just boggles my mind

551
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,760
from my understanding of a lot of this stuff as well.

552
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,800
So so this this is really interesting because I've, like

553
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,039
I said, I've I've listened to a bunch of the

554
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,039
podcasts that you're on to kind of get ready for

555
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,280
this and that, and this whole time thing is is

556
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,400
really interesting because Okay, if I'm getting this, if I'm

557
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,079
understanding this right, So if you're standing there the the

558
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,119
you're not measuring distance, you're measuring time away from the scanner.

559
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: That's correct, same time of flight device.

560
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: Interesting. Okay, so then it has to it has to

561
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:59,920
hit or bounce off something. And see the way I

562
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,119
I thought that this this was working. Was it measured

563
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,960
like the length of the beam, like it shot out

564
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,840
and said, okay, this is three feet, this is you know,

565
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,079
whatever it is. But it's it's the bounce and return

566
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,039
is what you're looking at.

567
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,519
Speaker 2: Kind of like, well, it is measuring it just to

568
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,880
your point. You're right, it's using time to do the measurement.

569
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,719
So they are all of the point clouds in light

570
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,360
are are geometrically accurate to a very high degree like

571
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,559
with TLS. You know, if I'm using it indoors and

572
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:35,800
there's walls and floors and ceilings and whatever, you can

573
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:42,360
get submillimeter stuff with you know, TLS. So without going

574
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,039
down that rabbit hole, every point cloud from every skin

575
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,159
I've ever done in my entire career is measurable, meaning

576
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,920
like the story about Patty, how tall is Paddy? Oh,

577
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:55,039
it's easy?

578
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,159
Speaker 3: Well, this is interesting that so and I may you

579
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,880
can't answer this at all. But if you're standing in

580
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,280
the middle of the triangle right where the bubble takes place,

581
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,360
and these beams are shooting out, they're getting distorted by

582
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,199
time so that you're extending the length of what's supposed

583
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:18,519
to be there. Why do you think that you're getting

584
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:22,599
a bubble shape instead of, like you said, like a vehicle. Right,

585
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,360
So obviously you're out there, there's vehicles parked all around you,

586
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,119
the camera crew and stuff that drove out to the site.

587
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:33,239
Why isn't that vehicle showing up like elongated or pushed

588
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,440
off to the side, and you're getting all these, like

589
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,719
you said, the ghosts of these things out there. Do

590
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,159
you have any any thoughts on it?

591
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: I have no idea I wish I did, but you're

592
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,159
you make a really good point. So in the rest

593
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,119
of the scan, the mesa, the ground, all our vehicles,

594
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:04,440
cast crew, they're all where they should be. There's nothing,

595
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:10,679
you know, anomalous about that portion of the scan. You know,

596
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:16,480
my head's going to explode. It doesn't make any sense.

597
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,679
It doesn't. So you know, why does it look like,

598
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,800
you know, a half sphere of dome, a bubble, no

599
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:32,239
idea and a fairly I don't want to use the

600
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,840
word perfect, but it's true. It's such a well defined

601
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:45,119
half sphere dome bubble. You know why? I wish I knew,

602
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,239
I wish I knew. All I can say is there

603
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:59,679
are a lot of people looking into that, myself included clearly.

604
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 3: So when when you've you've done this, it's repeatable, like

605
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,880
as good science as you can repeat this. Have you

606
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,920
noticed that all that it's moved or shifted?

607
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:10,199
Speaker 2: Like?

608
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:14,159
Speaker 3: Has the dome like moved a foot over six inches over?

609
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,639
Has it always been pretty much exactly where it always is?

610
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: Hopefully that is a good question too. Has it moved

611
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,880
so it's shown up on two areas of the property

612
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,679
m hmm, the triangle and the eastfield canyon. So that's

613
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,239
part of my answer. Let's hope I didn't just violate

614
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:50,840
an NDA no, because we've talked about that before or

615
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,320
I have publicly, so.

616
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,639
Speaker 3: You might lived it a long time ago. That's good.

617
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, But to your question, this is something I I

618
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,320
haven't looked at now. It could be Eric has you know,

619
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:08,159
has the bubble at the triangle? Has that moved or

620
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,440
is it always showed up in about the same spot.

621
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,519
I will go out on a limb and say I

622
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,280
don't think it's moved, because what I am confident about

623
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,199
is when we've been trying to repeat it, I've been scanning.

624
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Have to be careful that would violate the NBA. The

625
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,239
scans to date have been the scanner has been placed

626
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,800
within a foot or two of where it's been previously. Yeah, okay,

627
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,519
But in terms of being able to repeat the bubble

628
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,679
from other locations, stay tuned.

629
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,039
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, that was going to be my next question

630
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,079
is have you been able to scan it from above

631
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,280
and does it show the same. But again, and I

632
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,119
want to preface this again for anybody just tuning in.

633
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,119
We've got a lot of people listening. I don't want

634
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:01,280
to violate and I don't want to get into, you know,

635
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,760
stuff that we can't, so if we just cut off,

636
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,000
that's that's why. And I appreciate, I appreciate your honesty

637
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,840
and stuff with that so very interesting. I'm very interested

638
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,039
in seeing this. I've been you know, I've read Skinwalker

639
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:15,519
ranch and stuff from all the way to the big

640
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,599
Low days and stuff, and I've I've kept up with

641
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:19,880
the show, and we talked about this before the show.

642
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,679
I don't have time to watch a lot of TV

643
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,239
and stuff, and Skinwalker, I will admit, is the only

644
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,480
show that I religiously watch every week when it's on.

645
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: Just well, and it's I've been going through that gate

646
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,960
for six years now and I am going to keep

647
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:43,400
coming back until they lock me out because for the

648
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:47,920
exact same reasons you're talking about. It's like I need

649
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,599
you know, I've I talk about this a lot. I've

650
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,840
gone from this is all total nonsense. You know, my

651
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,679
first visit there too, Wow, what was that? To now

652
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,760
now I'm just down right pissed off. I am I

653
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:12,440
am almost you know, obsessed is not correct, but close close.

654
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:17,920
I need I need to understand this. I need to

655
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:26,400
and fortunately I haven't burned any bridges and keep getting

656
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,599
invited back to try to to try to get some answer.

657
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: That seemed like the last season you kind of became

658
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,079
more of a regular character. You were on there almost

659
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,800
every episode and stuff, doing different experiments and stuff where

660
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,519
in the past you've done once or twice during the

661
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,760
season or something they'd bring you in, and now all

662
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,719
of a sudden, it's like every episode you run and

663
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:47,880
that's really cool.

664
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, well thanks for that. But I'm the guy

665
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,239
at the gate going let me let me I'm not done,

666
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,719
but I have new tag, let me go. You awesome.

667
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:05,039
Qu I just saw in the comment Pete Kelsey's white Whale. Yeah,

668
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:10,199
that's how I describe it. It's it's I've become ahab.

669
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:21,000
It's like anyway, fascinating, absolutely fascinating. I'm with you. I mean,

670
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,280
I wouldn't be coming back six years in now if

671
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:33,000
I wasn't fascinated, a little intimidated, pissed off. It's like

672
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:43,599
we have It's I guess it comes down to I've

673
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:45,760
talked to people you know who are friends of mine.

674
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,320
Now you know, come on the ranch after I have

675
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,599
or you know, done the big the whole paranormal stuff.

676
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:58,320
Subject matter I'm like, look, it's sort of psychologically the

677
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,519
a component to this is what are you going to

678
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:07,119
do when you encounter something you can't explain? What are

679
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:14,239
you going to do? And I'm fascinated by that, just

680
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,559
sort of the psych one oh one part of that.

681
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,880
And I've discovered about myself that how I react to

682
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:26,960
it is I'm leaning in let's go and uh stubborn

683
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:34,960
and obsessed pistolf, etc. But I become really interested in

684
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,800
that part of it because I've watched people react. I'm

685
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,480
sure you have as well. What are you going to do?

686
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,079
You know, are you going to soil yourself? Are you

687
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,840
going to say go to the divine with you know,

688
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,320
respect science, you know, some hybrid of all of it.

689
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,440
It's just again the nerd in me is fast by

690
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,199
that that aspect of this kind of work as well.

691
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:04,840
Very cool.

692
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: You mentioned that you you'd gone out to the Miller

693
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,599
ranch as well, have you? I know, there's there's another

694
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,079
whole spin off of the Beyond the Skinwalker Ranch series,

695
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,440
and forgive me, there's there's all these episodes and I

696
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,599
don't remember offhand every episode, but have you gotten to

697
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,639
work with those? And you know when you you go

698
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,719
to these other locations. Have you had similar weird stuff

699
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,519
happen that you can't explain? Like, has there been anywhere

700
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,519
else where this stuff is repeatable.

701
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:38,079
Speaker 2: Like that you uh's that you can talk about? So

702
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,159
I did. Yeah, I did a bunch of episodes with

703
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:49,000
the Beyond guys Beyond Skinwalker Ranch, uh, which of course

704
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,480
is looking for the same sort of phenomena, but off

705
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:57,159
the ranch and the Miller Ranch it's in and it's

706
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:04,920
extreme southern Colorado, right on the New Mexico border. And

707
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:10,280
there is a bridge there right adjacent to their property,

708
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,159
the Highway three point fifty bridge, And that is the

709
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:24,039
only other place where I have seen anomalous, just crazy

710
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,159
returns in the data. But at Miller Ranch, they were underground,

711
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,039
which is it possible? Right, lasers can't see through earth bedrock, etc.

712
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,360
And then I remember, God, we were filling the bit

713
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,599
because there's always a data review thing, right, there's a

714
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,679
bit where I'm out scanning, and then there's a bit

715
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,280
where let's look at the data. And we got set

716
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,679
up in the Miller's home and they are the nicest,

717
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,840
sweetest people. Be kind to them. If you go to

718
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,280
the site, go up and knock on their door. You

719
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,880
don't have to the bridges right there, public property, YadA YadA.

720
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,559
We're in their home. And I go, okay, let's look

721
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,519
at the light art and the lights go out. Yeah

722
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,599
I remember that, and I'm like, and the crew, the

723
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,800
cast and the crew are freaking out, and I thought,

724
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:19,920
you know, I thought it was a gag. What are

725
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,239
you guys trying to make me scream? You know? And

726
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,559
then it happened again and the Millers are like, yeah,

727
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:33,000
welcome to our home. It was just crazy, you know. Yeah.

728
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:36,119
Could there be a logical explanation, of course, but in

729
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,679
the moment, you know, way, do you guys see this light?

730
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,480
Our data? I've got returns underground? Here we go and

731
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,280
then the lights go That was that was just nuts.

732
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: Well, we have some Q and A over here as well.

733
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,199
Before we get to this, We're about eight minutes from

734
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,800
the end of the hour. I don't want to keep

735
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,559
you beyond that, so I want to make sure are

736
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,280
we okay to go a little over or.

737
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: Do you we can go a bit over all? Right?

738
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. So this was one of my

739
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,719
questions and Lee brought it up as well. Have you

740
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,079
ever brought home anything from skinwalker ranch, we hear about

741
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,880
the hitchhiker effect of things following you home or phenomenon

742
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:18,880
in your own house. And again, you can take this

743
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:20,880
or you can walk away with it. I leave it

744
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,480
all up to you what you want to talk about.

745
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,199
But have you had any experiences?

746
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: No, there's and I'm torn by that, right because well,

747
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:38,000
what about me? You know? But on the other hand,

748
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:43,000
you hear some of these hitchhricker stories, I'm like, I'm cool,

749
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,599
I'm grateful. I don't need any of that in my life.

750
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:53,000
So yeah, short answer is not yet cool.

751
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: We kind of covered this one already here when you

752
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,599
had filmed the anomaly with Expedition Bigfoot, was there any

753
00:53:58,639 --> 00:53:59,840
noise from them walking?

754
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: I remember? Is that huge crash breaking a big tree

755
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,320
or a log or something in half? That's what it

756
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,960
sounded like. But walking? Good question, But I don't remember that.

757
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,679
Speaker 3: We have a couple of these, and I don't know.

758
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:25,599
I don't know what this is pertaining to. But would

759
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:30,519
love to hear the story of the brown socks. If

760
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,280
Pete sees this, can you tell the story of where

761
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,800
the brown sucks came from? So would you be so

762
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,320
kind as to tell us a story about brown socks.

763
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:48,559
Speaker 2: You asked for it? Okay, so this ties directly into

764
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:50,920
what I was saying about. You know, what are you

765
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:55,599
going to do? How you react when something you can

766
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,719
explain occurs right in front of you. You hear, see, touch, smell, whatever.

767
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:09,320
Something happened, and the brown socks thing came from I

768
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:13,760
said several years ago. I don't even remember the story.

769
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,880
It was probably something happened at the ranch that freaked

770
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,480
me out. And whoever was talking to me, he said, well,

771
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,679
what did you do? And I said, well, I shit

772
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:32,360
my socks, That's what I did. And thus was born

773
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:37,559
this brown Sox thing. And you know, yeah, so for

774
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,280
the folks who know me and know the show, brown

775
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,320
Sox just means he had a moment, and there have

776
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:55,519
been many of them. Fair enough, awesome, you asked, I

777
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:57,519
don't have much of a filter, by the way.

778
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: Even does my audience. So there go. Okay, all right,

779
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,960
So is there any device that can detect infrasound?

780
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: Well there must be, but it's not my area. I

781
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:16,159
don't know, but there has to be.

782
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,559
Speaker 3: I can feel that one a little bit. There are

783
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:23,559
infrasound protectors and you can actually download an app on

784
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,480
your phone that does that, and I've used it on

785
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,519
a couple occasions for my research because with Bigfoot and

786
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:35,199
stuff with infrasound, We've gone to the zoo and used

787
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:40,239
it in proximity to the elephants. Wow produce infrasound, and

788
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,920
it was really interesting. They were getting a bath one day,

789
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,599
sprayed down by the hose, and the whole time that

790
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:47,840
the bath was going on, they were emitting this low

791
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,400
infrasound like they were happy or something. And then when

792
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,320
it stopped, then the infra sound went away. So it

793
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,760
was pretty interesting. So there are devices and that is

794
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,039
one of the few things that I would say does

795
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:02,000
work on yourself when you're talking about like paranormal and

796
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,519
weird stuff that all these apps are out there, but

797
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,159
there are info sound detectors and you can buy them

798
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:08,400
separate or on your phone.

799
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: I learned something. I love when that happens.

800
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, that's what we're all here for. All right,

801
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,320
let's see Chris says, love what you do. Please consider

802
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,920
hosting your own show. It would be a tremendous hit.

803
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:26,679
Simplify God bless.

804
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:36,079
Speaker 2: That's really kind. I appreciate that very much, but not

805
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,480
my skill set. And you know with guys like Barnaby

806
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,079
out here, you know it's more it's easier to be

807
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:47,360
a guest. But thank you for the kind words. That's

808
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,840
really and five brother.

809
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Lee Warner says, is light our dangerous to the

810
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,480
person holding it at all doing the handheld scans?

811
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:06,719
Speaker 2: No? No, all, almost all. There are exceptions, but terrestrial

812
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,679
lasers canning slam light R. They're all Class one meaning

813
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:20,000
I safe lasers, so can't hurt you, perfectly safe. The

814
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:24,079
only light Our I've worked with that was dangerous was

815
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:29,159
sub Sea light R when we did the Arizona in

816
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:32,280
Pearl Harbor, and they wouldn't let us be in the

817
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,039
water with that thing because it would blind you.

818
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: That was one of the things that was on my

819
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,599
list to ask you. So light our shoots through water,

820
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,840
if you've worked on projects like that you just mentioned that,

821
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,400
does the you know when when light goes into water,

822
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:52,920
we know that it bends and stuff. Does that affect

823
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,800
lighter like you just said it was underwater, So do

824
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,519
you have to shoot underwater? Can you shoot from above

825
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:00,840
into water? How does that affected it? And does that

826
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:03,840
have any impact in like what we see with the

827
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,199
lasers bending above the ranch.

828
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:15,519
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are variables that I'm not aware of

829
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:21,239
that because yeah, trans medium to go from air to water,

830
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:31,880
that can be done. There are piloted aircraft, airplanes with

831
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:39,079
multi multimillion dollar light are sensors that are designed for

832
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:42,280
shoreline work that can you get all the topography of

833
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,840
the ground, but can also get if the turbidity, the

834
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,639
clarity of the water. As such, they can get returns

835
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:59,039
fifty meters deep. I mean, it's amazing, amazing, very expensive technology.

836
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:07,679
So clearly there's a solution for that. Trans medium light ar.

837
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:14,159
The light ar we used in Hawaii underwater was typically

838
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:20,280
the lasers that work underwater are green and visible, whereas

839
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,679
typically light our is infrared, you can't see it, et cetera,

840
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,920
et cetera. But green also means this is a really

841
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,559
powerful laser. It is not Class one. I just said

842
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,440
it would blind you. They wouldn't let us in the

843
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:45,920
water with it. All I can remember is I think

844
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:50,400
we probably killed a couple of fish because a fish

845
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,719
would swim through the beam and then just go belly

846
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,639
up and float to the top. It can be dangerous,

847
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:04,119
but again that's that's a really you know, specialized field

848
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,960
of light. Our subse light our, the green lasers, et cetera.

849
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:11,039
It's nothing. I mean I've used them before, but it's

850
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:15,360
not something i've used. Let me make sure I get

851
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,159
this right. Yeah, I've only used it in Hawaii on

852
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:25,800
the Arizona. So really, you know, we need we need

853
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,079
an optical physicist, which I am not.

854
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 3: So with with what you are using at Skinwalker. Those

855
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:41,880
beams wouldn't penetrate water? Interesting? Yeah, okay, interesting? See See

856
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,559
that was wondering two. Like, like I said, you know,

857
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,559
would it bend or refract? I guess when it enters

858
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:48,920
the water in the medium, and then like I said,

859
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,320
would that be you know what we're seeing above the ranch?

860
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:57,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, typically, yeah, the the infrared light are anything

861
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:04,400
highly reflected of glass, chrome water. You know, you just

862
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:09,480
it looks like a Picasso because it's just really messy.

863
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:12,320
You know, you don't get a good return because what

864
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,599
just happened, you know, it reflected back on itself and

865
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:17,840
it kind of loses his mind.

866
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,199
Speaker 3: Okay, So I know that you've been up in the helicopter.

867
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:26,519
You've talked about this using the scanners and stuff. Does

868
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:30,119
the clouds affect that? Like I guess, like, well, rain

869
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:32,400
clouds are something that would be more full of water.

870
01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:34,679
But does that have the same effect or a similar

871
01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:35,840
effect if you hit those.

872
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:43,719
Speaker 2: Not in my experience only because at the ranch when

873
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,119
it is cloudy, the cloud the clouds are you know,

874
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:52,119
gray altitude and you know, we've I don't think I've

875
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:55,760
been above five or ten thousand feet at the ranch

876
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,840
and it's you know, the southwest, it's hujah, it's pretty era.

877
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,599
Now I've done some work and it's started to rain

878
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,440
and you actually can see rain drops in a cloud. Yeah.

879
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:13,039
So again it has mass, but not every rain drop

880
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,920
because some of them it will reflect and won't get

881
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:16,679
a good return.

882
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:21,599
Speaker 3: But sometimes so let me ask you this, if if

883
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,639
it's raining and you hit this the light our scan,

884
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:28,079
it hits that rain drop, what does that look like

885
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:31,480
in comparison to what you're seeing with with hitting this

886
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,239
dome or.

887
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: The bubble just random noise, just points all over the

888
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:45,679
place with no rhyme or reason, just chaotic you know returns,

889
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:53,079
whereas the bubble is it's a bubble, it has you know,

890
01:03:53,199 --> 01:04:00,679
it's a clearly a geometric shape. Crazy, okay, awesome.

891
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:03,639
Speaker 3: If you have any last minute questions, throw them in

892
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,599
and we will get to them before we wrap up.

893
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,079
Otherwise I have one last one that looks like here,

894
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,599
first it was a cone, then it was a dome,

895
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,519
and now a bubble, or at least I am assuming

896
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,199
this past twenty five filming did not have it.

897
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:19,519
Speaker 2: More.

898
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:23,239
Speaker 3: Once again, what was the cause of the artifact in

899
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,920
the data to shape and size over time? Was it

900
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:33,159
the use of different equipment or the use of existing

901
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:35,440
equipment but somehow used differently.

902
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: Let's see, it seems like a two part answer to

903
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,559
me if I'm understanding any question.

904
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,199
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, let let me break it down here.

905
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was first? What was the cause of this?

906
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:57,000
First it was a cone, then a dome, and no

907
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:01,039
a bubble. So that makes me sort of laugh because

908
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:07,039
internally cast and crew, there have been so many times

909
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:08,840
where we'll just look at ease and go, what are

910
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:14,960
we calling it today? Really, we get really frustrated, and

911
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,599
you know, the production company, Prometheus, it's basically you know,

912
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,519
continuity is up to them, and normally it's me. Frankly,

913
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,039
I like today I've called it a cone or a

914
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:28,440
dome or whatever, and I get yelled at a lot.

915
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 3: Okay, it's a bubble, it's a bubble, it's got it, and.

916
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,159
Speaker 2: Then I'll call it a dome get trouble. So there's

917
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:40,159
that bit of it that that's not on purpose. That's

918
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:50,280
just humans being continuity. When you know you're investing, investigating

919
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:55,800
something is weird, you know, what do we call it? Uh?

920
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:04,039
Whereas the other part this if this, if Melissa is

921
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:11,440
asking if the name change is somehow related to changes

922
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:16,400
in gear, changes in methodology in the field, Absolutely not

923
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,320
absolutely not no, no, no, no, that's just humans being

924
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:29,079
different equipment existing equipment, but somehow to use differently. No, no, no,

925
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,760
that would Eric, Eric would have me escort it off

926
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:39,320
the property, because that's not good science. That's not repeatability

927
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:44,559
under the same circumstances, same positions, same settings, et cetera,

928
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:50,039
et cetera. So I like the question. I hope you

929
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:50,719
like the answer.

930
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 3: I think that you kind of hit it on the

931
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:58,320
head there with us. You know, I've noticed that in

932
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,599
the beginning it was a dome, and then you found

933
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:03,039
out that there was a bottom half to it, and

934
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:05,320
then it started being called the bubble, and and I

935
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,840
think that's kind of what she's referencing is is why

936
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,840
did it keep changing names? And it was just kind

937
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,519
of more we learned about it, or more you guys,

938
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:14,440
not me, but you know more than you know the

939
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:18,000
show learned about it and experienced different things with it.

940
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:21,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, we went we went through the same thing

941
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:26,440
with the photographmetry spire in the East Shield. Yeah, that

942
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,280
had twelve names before, you know. I and to this day,

943
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,360
I don't know what. I don't know what the final

944
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:36,360
I don't know what the court I'm kidding, I don't

945
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,280
know what the decision was as to what they call

946
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:39,039
that thing either.

947
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:44,159
Speaker 3: So there's there's so much. You have a whole thing

948
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,800
about this, you know, I mean, like the whole beyond

949
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,039
Skinwalker and the oh my gosh, I can't think what's

950
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:54,440
called the the subscription thing where you guys go into

951
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,840
all that stuff and help me out. Yeah, like we could.

952
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,079
I mean, we talked for you know, years about all

953
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:04,559
the Skinwalker ran and stuff. So we are going to

954
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:06,800
wrap it up. One last question here from the comments

955
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,280
for you, it says, Pete, how do you prepare yourself

956
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,280
mentally before going to the ranch.

957
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 2: M That's a fair question, and frankly I haven't thought

958
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,720
about it. So this is sort of in the moment

959
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:29,039
of the cuff I because I travel with so much

960
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:35,960
gear and I actually drive to the ranch when when

961
01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:37,840
I get the call and say, hey, you know we

962
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,680
could use your services. You know, I load up my

963
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,800
truck with all my stuff and I make the drive

964
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:49,039
and it takes me. I do it in two days,

965
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:54,840
just because you know, I need a break. I could

966
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,560
do it in one thing, but anyway, I have those

967
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:05,840
two days now that I think about it. Two think

968
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,560
about because the great thing for me about driving is

969
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,439
I'm old and a bit of a curmudgeon. You know,

970
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,520
I won't use my phone, there's no distractions. I'm just driving,

971
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,640
so it's just me and the noise in my head.

972
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:30,039
And I get to think about what the guys want.

973
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,000
You know, they've made a request. Here's what you know,

974
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:36,479
we'd like you to do. So I had basically have

975
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:41,720
two days of peace and quiet to think about how

976
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,359
I'm going to do it, how we're going to do

977
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,720
it safely, how to get the best results, you know,

978
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:54,840
how to please everybody, not only the the actual science,

979
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,920
but television, because it's you know, it's a double ed sore.

980
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,760
So I guess with that as a long preamble, I

981
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:11,560
guess I've prepare myself mentally, I get really focused on

982
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:17,439
the task is there. As you can imagine, there's so

983
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:22,079
many distractions at that place, and they're happening all the time,

984
01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:31,279
from things you see, Sorry, it's things you witness, things

985
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,239
you know with my gear, you know, whatever it is.

986
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:41,000
I I'm really task oriented because I'm stubborn, because I'm

987
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:44,560
pissed off because I want answers. But I hadn't thought

988
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,239
about this before. But they are also sort of quiets

989
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,680
for me, you know, all the the other stuff, the

990
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:59,520
stuff I've wound up with brown socks, it's.

991
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:03,279
Speaker 3: Just awesome, awesome. When you you had mentioned you hadn't

992
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:06,039
had any like hitchhiker effect stuff happened. Do you think

993
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:09,279
that if you did have like stuff start happening at

994
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:14,239
your house, would that change your willingness to go back

995
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:18,239
there or change anything that you're doing. I mean that's

996
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:18,720
what it would.

997
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened, But how could it not? So yeah,

998
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,279
but you know, again, I'm pretty stubborn, and the hook

999
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:36,640
has been set really deep to me. I think the

1000
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,720
only way I would find peace with that would be

1001
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,960
to get some blankety blank answers. So yeah, yeah, I'm

1002
01:11:46,079 --> 01:11:49,239
just focused on that. I can see that.

1003
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:51,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, if something happened at your house, you'd be like, no,

1004
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:53,399
I don't care what happened. I'm going to figure out

1005
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,000
why that happened and get to the right Yeah, I'd

1006
01:11:57,039 --> 01:11:57,640
be the same way.

1007
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:58,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1008
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. Well, I really appreciate your time

1009
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,600
coming on here today and stuff and sharing all your

1010
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,319
knowledge and clearing some stuff up and you know, just

1011
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,319
just taking your time. And I appreciate your willingness, like

1012
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,880
you said, to be so stubborn in going back there

1013
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:18,960
and just trying to get answers because a lot of

1014
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,159
the times, like people get frustrated and they give up

1015
01:12:21,319 --> 01:12:24,680
or you know, and I appreciate the science and everything

1016
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,760
that's going into it. So thank you so much for that.

1017
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,319
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, barnaby, and thanks for having me, and

1018
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,359
thanks for everybody who tuned in and listen to me

1019
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,880
blather on. It's always fun, it's never dull, So thank.

1020
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,520
Speaker 3: You, absolutely, it's my pleasure. Before we wrap up, you

1021
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,880
have a website and some stuff going on. Tell everybody

1022
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,600
what you got where we can find you and follow you.

1023
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 2: Thanks VCTO labs dot com. You'll see my hat labs

1024
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,079
dot com. All one word. Actually, I just tweaked the website.

1025
01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:02,560
It's looking good. Yeah, projects are up there, calendars up there,

1026
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,399
where I'm going to be what I'm going to be doing,

1027
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,479
you know, the stuff that is an NBA. Of course,

1028
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,880
thanks for letting me do a shameless plug.

1029
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. The link for your website is in the

1030
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,680
show notes as well as your link to the Alcatraz

1031
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,720
stuff because I thought that was really great. Thank for

1032
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,119
everyone that is interested. But awesome, Pete, thank you so

1033
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:27,079
much for coming on. What is one final thought that

1034
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,399
you want to leave everyone with? With all of your research,

1035
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,199
all the interesting places that you've been, what do you

1036
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:33,880
want to leave people with thinking about today?

1037
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: Stay curious, stay curious?

1038
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 3: Very good, awesome man, Thank you so much for coming on.

1039
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,840
You have a great day and stay safe out there.

1040
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 2: Many thanks, Barbiby.

1041
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: All right, guys, that is our show, the new season

1042
01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:00,960
of the Secret of Skinwalker Ranch with Pete Kelsey. I'm

1043
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,760
sure he'll be in there quite a bit this year

1044
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,479
as well. May nineteenth, it comes to you from I

1045
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,199
believe History Channel or the Discovery Channel, and or not

1046
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:14,000
Discovery Channel, but the Discovery series of Get you Know

1047
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:16,760
Where It Is? But May nineteenth, the brand new season

1048
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,359
comes out, go check that out. And if you want

1049
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,640
more on all the cool stuff that Pete has worked with,

1050
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,119
all the things that they scanned, historical sites and everything,

1051
01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:27,920
go check out his website. It is in these show notes.

1052
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,880
But that is it, guys. That is our show. That

1053
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:36,920
is our wrap up here for those of you missed it,

1054
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:38,920
guys on Monday. I am going to be taking a

1055
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,000
break off over the summer here for my own research

1056
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,039
and spending more time out in the field, so I

1057
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:48,840
won't be back next week. Hopefully I will be back

1058
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,960
in the fall. We'll see how things go. But I

1059
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:54,720
will be at multiple events over the summer and you

1060
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,960
can come find me. Head on over to wisconsincaps dot

1061
01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:00,399
com click on the public events page if you want

1062
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:02,279
to meet me in person or see me at any events.

1063
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:06,520
Until then, guys, remember we're all part of the paranormal spectrum.

1064
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,239
Until we meet again, I'll see you on the edge.

1065
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:15,399
Speaker 2: You seem to know something I don't.

1066
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,159
Speaker 1: Let's call me Okay, it's Tellyway please, I'm not.

1067
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 2: That's go next thing streets. I'm pages in the room

1068
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:26,960
and I can feed it.

1069
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:42,319
Speaker 3: Ky I'm reading under Can you call Kay away?

1070
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,239
Speaker 1: Some album baggage can