Speaker 1: You created everything. Look for a powerful being you are.
Speaker 1: You did these things, but now you're in a human body.
Speaker 1: You forget the power you have.
Speaker 2: What you do is what the whole universe is doing
Speaker 2: at the place you call here, and now you are
Speaker 2: something the whole universe is doing. In the same way
Speaker 2: that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.
Speaker 1: You're doing doing what you imagination. Welcome to metamistics, where
Speaker 1: you don't know what you don't know. My name is
Speaker 1: Jonathan Sean, and today is going to be quite a
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Speaker 3: You know, every time you say metamistics, it was like
Speaker 3: throwing me off in the beginning, Like I was really
Speaker 3: surprised that you were able to just like remember every
Speaker 3: single time that we switched our name up, but every
Speaker 3: time you said it, it would like throw me off
Speaker 3: just a smidge. But I think I'm starting to finally,
Speaker 3: I'm starting to believe already, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's a battle. Yeah, yeah, it's really uh it's actually
Speaker 1: really interesting because I just bought a book. So every time, like, uh,
Speaker 1: so I have my daughter every other weekend, right because
Speaker 1: we live in different states. So every time, you know,
Speaker 1: I get together with her, we always go and do
Speaker 1: something fun, and usually she wants to go to the bookstore,
Speaker 1: which I'm here for. I love the bookstore, Barnes and
Speaker 1: Noble Books a million, it don't matter. I'm here for
Speaker 1: all of it, right because they always have a spiritual
Speaker 1: section in there, you know, And in that spiritual section
Speaker 1: you can find all the metaphysical books, all the magic
Speaker 1: and the witchcraft, and literally anything you want if you've
Speaker 1: ever been to a bookstore. And and they also have
Speaker 1: like all of your different oracle decks and your tarot
Speaker 1: decks and your tarot books and literally books about whatever
Speaker 1: it is I mean, spiritual, metaphysical, religious, it's all there,
Speaker 1: and I just love looking through it. And I get.
Speaker 1: I usually get a new deck and a new book
Speaker 1: every time I go, So I need to start giving
Speaker 1: away some of these some of these decks, because I'm
Speaker 1: never going to be able to use all of them.
Speaker 1: But and as a matter of fact, the most recent
Speaker 1: deck that I just bought was the uh, the Alice
Speaker 1: in Wonderland deck, So it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: One, dude, we should pull one from that from that
Speaker 3: deck tonight.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually it's a it's an oracle deck,
Speaker 1: so let's do it. Yeah, we can pull Honestly, we
Speaker 1: can pull that on top of the regular TAROTLM down
Speaker 1: because I feel like the oracle is more of just
Speaker 1: like a magnifier, you know. Yeah. So anyway, I've been
Speaker 1: reading this book and I was like pulled to this
Speaker 1: book because first of all, the cover on it is
Speaker 1: so sick. But it's called Mastering Magic and it's by
Speaker 1: this author. Also he's a magician. His name is Matt
Speaker 1: Orn okay, and you can see it right there. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't have any plug to him or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But I was just like so drawn to this book
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, let me let
Speaker 1: me get this. And I started reading into it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, and he's talking about He goes, look,
Speaker 1: you know the some people call it God, some people
Speaker 1: call it the universe. He goes, all of us magicians
Speaker 1: and mystics, we all call it the mysteries. And I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, all right, it's encompassed. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: just love learning about that kind of stuff. And like
Speaker 1: we always say, we are not the teachers. We are,
Speaker 1: you know, still students of the game itself, and so
Speaker 1: we're always soaking up more information. There's always going to
Speaker 1: be somebody that knows more than you, right, no matter
Speaker 1: who you you are, I don't care if you're ninety
Speaker 1: nine years old, you've been practicing the craft for eighty years, Like,
Speaker 1: somebody knows more than you.
Speaker 3: That's actually my favorite, actually being able to talk to
Speaker 3: somebody that knows way more than I do on a
Speaker 3: given thing. Like that's that's my jam, dude, you know, dude.
Speaker 1: And it's the marked It's the mark of an intelligent
Speaker 1: individual knowing that they don't know everything right, or knowing
Speaker 1: that they know nothing you know, right, yeah, exactly, that
Speaker 1: everything is pretty malleable, and your understanding of whatever your
Speaker 1: understanding is of now can always evolve into something else.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at where we were a year ago,
Speaker 1: you know, totally different. Oh absolutely.
Speaker 3: You know I look back, you know, to when I
Speaker 3: was like twenty five years old, and I would say like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, looking back, man, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't know shit.
Speaker 3: I was so dumb and like just the way that
Speaker 3: I just the way that I moved, not even not
Speaker 3: just the way that I looked at the world, but
Speaker 3: just the way that I did things and the way
Speaker 3: I thought about what I was gonna do or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like I can't even imagine going back into that mindset,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Actually, I would actually be
Speaker 3: curious to see what that's like, just to like go,
Speaker 3: holy shit, like what this is a different.
Speaker 1: World, you know.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, man, just in the last two years,
Speaker 3: I can say that the same thing, the same statement
Speaker 3: as I would for my twenty five year old self,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, how much we've changed.
Speaker 1: Look, Pandora, don't go back in the box. That's the
Speaker 1: thing is that, like you can't. I mean, the tube paste,
Speaker 1: don't go back in the tube. Once it's out, it's out.
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, whenever you are kind
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, I guess like, uh, learning about
Speaker 1: all this kind of different stuff that all the different
Speaker 1: philosophies and spiritualities and religious modalities and the UFO stuff
Speaker 1: and everything, right like you you don't just unlearned that, no,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that probably the only way
Speaker 1: you could unlearn it, hypothetically in quo denotations, would be
Speaker 1: too like now I'm religious and all that stuff is demonic,
Speaker 1: right Like, that would be the only way.
Speaker 3: Or just completely blue pillot, you know, and just try
Speaker 3: to find everything that you used to find joy in doing,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and just try to delve
Speaker 3: into that reality once again. But I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I don't even think that that is doable,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, to get to a certain point.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that there's things that because there's things that
Speaker 3: I still like to do. Like I love watching movies,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like a good a good film, dude.
Speaker 3: Like that's what I enjoy most, Like watching a good
Speaker 3: movie with my wife. But other than that, dude, there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of other things that I feel like I
Speaker 3: used to partake in and enjoy and now I'm just
Speaker 3: like it just doesn't do it for me anymore, you know.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you know. And as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, whenever I first started getting into a
Speaker 1: lot of this spiritual stuff was actually twenty twenty, as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, which is whenever I first started
Speaker 1: really looking into Honestly, that's whenever I started the Cult
Speaker 1: of Conspiracy was twenty twenty. But it was also aligning,
Speaker 1: like I started the cult, and on that same process,
Speaker 1: I was trying to mend a lot of the spiritual
Speaker 1: stuff in there, right, And so actually, like one of
Speaker 1: the very first guests that I ever had on the
Speaker 1: cult was John mcclucky, who was you know, the QHHT
Speaker 1: in the Past life regression before I ever even got
Speaker 1: into it, just I was just fascinated by it, and
Speaker 1: looking back at it, I'm like, that has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with conspiracies. Why did I even go there, you know,
Speaker 1: But it was just because I wanted the Cult of
Speaker 1: Conspiracy to be about conspiracies and spirituality, which I'm happy
Speaker 1: that Jacob doesn't even like to talk about that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff because it allowed me to branch off to
Speaker 1: do a whole other episode that was strictly focused on
Speaker 1: the spiritual craziness.
Speaker 3: You know, well, if you think about it, man, everything
Speaker 3: seems to start there, like whether it's if you want
Speaker 3: to call it the spiritual side or you want to
Speaker 3: call it with the mind, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: everything starts with mind. And so how could you not
Speaker 3: look at the conspiracies or the whatever the topic or
Speaker 3: or general idea you're you're heading towards. How can you
Speaker 3: not apply the mental and or spiritual aspect of that,
Speaker 3: because that's it's it's all encompassing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It is it is, Yeah, I mean I think that
Speaker 1: it can be for most people. And and this is
Speaker 1: the thing that like, even before I ever started podcasting,
Speaker 1: I used to be a big listener to a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of podcasts, but one of my favorite
Speaker 1: ones was always Tinfoil Hat with Sam Tripley and you know,
Speaker 1: Lo and Behold. A few years later, I ended up,
Speaker 1: you know, me and Jacob end up going on his
Speaker 1: show and we're talking about the Shroud of Turin and
Speaker 1: then and then we get to meet him over at
Speaker 1: Brohemian Grove in Florida, and it was just a crazy, like,
Speaker 1: you know, full circle kind of thing. But whenever I
Speaker 1: was listening to him, and he used to always say
Speaker 1: this one thing to where he said, conspiracy always leads
Speaker 1: you to spirituality, and I was like, it has to,
Speaker 1: you know, And I always thought that was so fascinating,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, maybe that's really where it
Speaker 1: all started. Maybe Sam is the one that planted that seed.
Speaker 1: Who knows, I mean, who knows?
Speaker 3: I mean it makes sense though, you know, once your
Speaker 3: world is shattered, once you see that the lies or
Speaker 3: once you see you know, and not even to get
Speaker 3: to conspiratorial about it, but once you see that the world,
Speaker 3: the world that you thought it was is no more.
Speaker 3: It's definitely not that. It was definitely an illusion or
Speaker 3: some underlying fucking lens that you were looking at everything through.
Speaker 3: And now that thing is completely shattered. And so like, well,
Speaker 3: now who am I If nothing I.
Speaker 1: Thought I was is yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So now you got to get spiritual or you
Speaker 3: gotta fucking go inward and you know, get to the
Speaker 3: deeper causes of everything.
Speaker 1: There definitely seems to be some powers that are working
Speaker 1: seemingly beyond the veil, right, and you know, behind every
Speaker 1: great conspiracy, there's always some kind of puppet master, Like
Speaker 1: every single time, it's always somebody who's orchestrating all of this.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, all right, well, let me look
Speaker 1: into the different modes and modalities that that they're using
Speaker 1: to implement their magical spells upon the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: And then that leads you into Rosicrucianism, and it leads
Speaker 1: you into Cobblism, and it leads you into all these
Speaker 1: different you know, uh, symbolic synchronicities and magic and all
Speaker 1: these different spells, and you're like, like, that is where
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole leads to, Like the rabbit hole always
Speaker 1: leads to spiritual processes and archetypes and all these different
Speaker 1: forces of everything, and you're just wondering, like, man, there
Speaker 1: is something so much like the things that they're doing
Speaker 1: are beyond They're beyond surface level.
Speaker 3: And beyond comprehension, you know what I mean. Otherwise it
Speaker 3: would be a little more obvious, right, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And that's why it's so genius. And we
Speaker 3: know how powerful symbols are and how powerful frequencies are,
Speaker 3: and how all of these things that we've we've come
Speaker 3: to at least slightly understand on a higher level. It's
Speaker 3: like if all of these things work, including magic, all
Speaker 3: of these things work, and we know that you take
Speaker 3: people their their energy and their attention away from whatever
Speaker 3: it is they're trying to do, and you put it
Speaker 3: towards the thing you want them to see to charge
Speaker 3: up the battery that is the thing they're trying to accomplish.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, how do you how do you not
Speaker 3: look at it that way?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, in that frame of mind, there being
Speaker 3: a puppeteer that is.
Speaker 1: Well, and there seems to be some kind of resonant
Speaker 1: frequency of the earth during crazy events, like leading up
Speaker 1: to crazy events. So for example, like you know this
Speaker 1: old Charlie Kirk thing. We're not going to get into it,
Speaker 1: but that was a huge thing that just happened to
Speaker 1: humanity in a sense, right, the same thing with nine
Speaker 1: to eleven and like crazy things like that. And I
Speaker 1: was recently, you know, going down a rabbit hole of
Speaker 1: this guy. He's a doctor, but he's like a like
Speaker 1: a neuroscience kind of doctor, right, and he was trying
Speaker 1: to measure what was if we're looking at human consciousness
Speaker 1: as a singularity and not as a divisible by eight
Speaker 1: million or eight billion or whatever it is, right, however
Speaker 1: many people there are on this I think, what is it?
Speaker 1: Eight billion people on the Earth or something like that,
Speaker 1: And he goes, what if we just look at it
Speaker 1: as a whole. We found a way to measure that, right,
Speaker 1: And that's really where the idea I believe why people
Speaker 1: started looking into the human residence, which is kind of
Speaker 1: crazy and I could just be you know, drawing things
Speaker 1: together that don't match, but I think that that's really what.
Speaker 1: You know, if you were to kind of measure the
Speaker 1: frequency of everybody and everything, and if everything is one thing,
Speaker 1: then you should be able to measure if it is
Speaker 1: one thing, then the Earth would be a pretty good
Speaker 1: place to start, right, And so he started realizing that moments,
Speaker 1: if not minutes, before any of these crazy events happened,
Speaker 1: there was a massive bike in the human residence every single.
Speaker 3: Time before the event. Right before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost as if like we knew it was going
Speaker 1: to happen, but we didn't know what it was. But
Speaker 1: there was a there was a spike in something that
Speaker 1: caused the human resonance to spike like crazy.
Speaker 3: Wow, the frequency of the Earth just had anxiety about something,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What it was.
Speaker 3: But something is around the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah what is that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. But anyway, I just I love
Speaker 1: looking at uh, you know, if we're if we're to
Speaker 1: believe that everything is one thing and we're all really
Speaker 1: just one consciousness that believes that were not, then just
Speaker 1: kind of looking at it as a whole. And whenever
Speaker 1: we say that everything is one consciousness, that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean just human conscious And that is where we're going
Speaker 1: to go today as a matter of fact, the episode today,
Speaker 1: and you'll hear about it a lot, whether it is
Speaker 1: witches and wizards and warlocks and magicians and mystics and
Speaker 1: sages and gurus and shamans and all of them, like
Speaker 1: the high priestesses and high priests and all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Every single one of them have found a
Speaker 1: way to be able to use the elements to their
Speaker 1: advantage in one way or another. And I always used
Speaker 1: just used to think like and we talked about the druids, right,
Speaker 1: same thing, right like working with the elements, And I just, man,
Speaker 1: how do you even wrap your mind around working with elements? Like?
Speaker 1: Coming from the perspective that we have held here lately,
Speaker 1: is that if everything is one, then how how are
Speaker 1: we to consciously connect with an inanimate objects such as
Speaker 1: water or you know, wood or fire or something like that,
Speaker 1: Because how do you even get into that mindset order
Speaker 1: to connect to it? Right?
Speaker 3: See, the only thing that my mind immediately jumps to
Speaker 3: is just the symbolism of the things, you know, water
Speaker 3: being fluid, and so it's more like emotions, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of up and down, you know, like a wave.
Speaker 3: And so you can look at the symbolic attributes of
Speaker 3: these things, but as far as applying the elements to
Speaker 3: your life or your your practice and really trying to
Speaker 3: implement these things that I'm not I'm with you, I'm
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just find it so damn fascinating, and I
Speaker 1: think that this will broaden our understanding of what it
Speaker 1: means to connect with the all. Okay, and so let's
Speaker 1: get all the way weird, baby, let's do it. So
Speaker 1: today we are getting into elemental magic with fire, water, air, earth,
Speaker 1: and let's just throw the ether in there for fox.
Speaker 1: Let's do it, dude.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like when you do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so ether. Also, you know, you could also
Speaker 1: substitute it with spirit same thing.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I think, right, the unseen if you will.
Speaker 1: The unseen forces. Yes, that that everybody you know kind
Speaker 1: of we all know that it's there, right Ye. And dude,
Speaker 1: I heard somebody say that, you know, we call it
Speaker 1: the sixth sense, but I really, I really think that
Speaker 1: it's the first. And I was like, oh, yes, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of awesome. So tonight we're going
Speaker 1: to journey into the oldest spiritual framework and human history,
Speaker 1: the elements of fire, water, air, earth, and the mysterious
Speaker 1: fifth element, ether or spirit. The anciente saw the elements
Speaker 1: not just as substances, but as but as living forces
Speaker 1: that shaped all existence. Modern science may describe them differently,
Speaker 1: but at their core, the troops remained the same. Fire
Speaker 1: transforms energy, water flows through endless cycles, Air carries invisible currents,
Speaker 1: Earth anchors us in form, and the ether, though dismissed
Speaker 1: by modern physics, which you know not shall, still lingers
Speaker 1: in our language of fields, space, and spirit. So this
Speaker 1: episode is about bridging the gap to show how science
Speaker 1: and mysticism are two languages describing the same world, to
Speaker 1: reveal how magic is real, alive, and usable, and to
Speaker 1: remind you that working with the elements isn't superstition, it's
Speaker 1: remembering how to speak to the forces of reality itself.
Speaker 1: So tonight, let's light the fire, pour the water, breathe
Speaker 1: the air, ground in the earth, and step into the ether.
Speaker 1: Let's make magic reel again. Dude, Let's let's go baby. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So first I figure, well, we'll go to a website
Speaker 1: rey quick, and it's actually a place that we've gone
Speaker 1: to in the past. It is witcheslore dot com. So
Speaker 1: in which's lore on this website it says elemental magic,
Speaker 1: the five elements in witchcraft. Now, it's not only bound
Speaker 1: to witchcraft, like every form of mystic has worked with
Speaker 1: these elements to some manner in the past. We mentioned
Speaker 1: the druids earlier, they're not the only ones. We mentioned
Speaker 1: the witches. They're not the only ones we mentioned. Literally,
Speaker 1: anybody who has ever tried to connect with the all,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, whether it's the universe,
Speaker 1: whether it's God, whether it's the One, the Source, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, most people know that truth is always found
Speaker 1: in nature, So why not go right to that source? Right?
Speaker 1: So in this one it says Am says greetings, fellow witches.
Speaker 1: As practitioners of magic, we understand the power and significance
Speaker 1: of the elements in our craft. Whether it's invoking the
Speaker 1: winds for clarity of thought, calling upon the earth to
Speaker 1: ground our energy, or communing with the waters for emotional healing,
Speaker 1: the elements are an integral part of our spiritual practice.
Speaker 1: Understanding the elements and their energies can help us deepen
Speaker 1: our connection with the natural and enhance our magical abilities.
Speaker 1: In this Guide to Elemental Magic, we will explore the
Speaker 1: five elements fire, Earth, air, water, and spirit. See some
Speaker 1: people interchange them spirit, ether, same thing right, and their correspondences,
Speaker 1: including their colors, directions, symbols, and magical associations. We will
Speaker 1: also delve into the principles of elemental astrology, which provides
Speaker 1: valuable insights into the connection between the elements and these
Speaker 1: zodiac signs. Throughout this guide, we will also discuss rituals
Speaker 1: and ceremonies that can be used to connect with the elements.
Speaker 1: We will also explore the principles of elemental astrology and
Speaker 1: how to use this knowledge to enhance our magical practice
Speaker 1: and deepen our connection with the natural world. I hope
Speaker 1: this guide will serve as a valuable resource for you
Speaker 1: as you explore the magic of the elements. Remember the
Speaker 1: power of the elements is within you, and by connecting
Speaker 1: with them, you can transform your life and your magical practice.
Speaker 1: May the winds carry you, the earth ground you, the
Speaker 1: air in inspire you, and the water heal you on
Speaker 1: your magical journey. Before we start, it's important to note
Speaker 1: that elemental magic is a complex form of magic that
Speaker 1: requires a deep understanding of the elements and their properties.
Speaker 1: It is essential to approach elemental magic with respect and caution.
Speaker 1: It is also important to note that this guide is
Speaker 1: intended to serve as a starting point for your elemental
Speaker 1: magic journey. It is not an exhaustive guide. An exhaustive guide,
Speaker 1: and you should continue to research and learn about elemental
Speaker 1: magic as you practice it. Now, we've heard how many
Speaker 1: magicians have come on this show. Whether it's Lord Byron
Speaker 1: or Ea or you name them. I mean, we've had
Speaker 1: several of them on the show. They almost all talk
Speaker 1: about if they're trying to connect with a deity, you know,
Speaker 1: a spirit, an angel, a demon, an old God, a
Speaker 1: new God, whatever, right, they all talk about getting to
Speaker 1: know them as much as they possibly can, right, Like,
Speaker 1: what is it? What can I learn about this individual
Speaker 1: so that I can use them a little bit more
Speaker 1: in my magical practices. If we're looking at them as
Speaker 1: strictly archetypes, right then you would want to know every
Speaker 1: single thing about that archetype is humanly possible. It's like
Speaker 1: whenever you're looking at a tarot card. You know, at
Speaker 1: first it's okay, you know, if you only get a
Speaker 1: one word, one word that pops up into your mind
Speaker 1: every time you see a tarot card, that's a good start,
Speaker 1: but it's not the whole of the story. You know.
Speaker 1: You want to look at what are they holding, what's
Speaker 1: what's the color of the sky, what's the color of
Speaker 1: their clothes? You know, you want to know all the
Speaker 1: different symbolisms that is being represented within each card. And
Speaker 1: so that's where we're going with this. Yes, water is wet,
Speaker 1: you know, but what is it? What else is it
Speaker 1: beyond that? Right? Right? So that's what we're going to
Speaker 1: be trying to touch on today. So of course you
Speaker 1: got to start with Earth. Oh Earth, here we go,
Speaker 1: baby yep. So Earth embodies the embodiment of stability, grounding,
Speaker 1: and material abundance. It is the fertile soil that nurtures life,
Speaker 1: the mountains that rise with unwavering strength, and the foundation
Speaker 1: on which we build we build our spiritual journeys. Just
Speaker 1: as the Earth provides sustenance for all living beings, this
Speaker 1: element enables, which is, to manifest their desires, anchor their intentions,
Speaker 1: and connect with the physical world. It aligns us with
Speaker 1: the rhythms of nature and helps us find balance, resilience,
Speaker 1: and prosperity. Earth is often connected with the spiritual, with
Speaker 1: the practical aspects of life, including abundance, prosperity, physical health,
Speaker 1: and fertility. It influences our connection to the physical body
Speaker 1: and the material realm. Earth magic is especially potent for
Speaker 1: grounding and centering oneself, establishing bounty boundaries, and bringing stability
Speaker 1: during times of chaos or emotional upheaval. By harnessing the
Speaker 1: Earth's elemental energy, which is, can create foundations for their
Speaker 1: intentions and manifest their desires in a tangible and grounded manner. Already,
Speaker 1: you're starting off like, okay, we can look at it
Speaker 1: for it's certain aspects, and you can see, at least
Speaker 1: on the surface, about how you may apply the Earth
Speaker 1: in your magical practice. Right yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, for for example, you know, just the mind aspect
Speaker 3: of it, you know, understanding that you are of this earth.
Speaker 3: I mean you at least grew out of it, you know,
Speaker 3: through a long, long who knows, maybe an infinite chain
Speaker 3: of events out came you eventually, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And so you are are part of it, you know,
Speaker 3: And so why wouldn't you look to the earth and
Speaker 3: things like that to gain some sort of knowledge or understanding,
Speaker 3: you know, for the mind? I love it, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's I think that it's important to try and
Speaker 3: include it as far as our understanding, because whether you
Speaker 3: think that this is all a simulation or a matrix
Speaker 3: or whatever, you have to understand that, like our body
Speaker 3: is also part of that matrix, right, so like because
Speaker 3: without this matrix, we don't have a body anymore.
Speaker 1: So you may as well learn how to play in it,
Speaker 1: you know, like look at the sandbox and think, don't
Speaker 1: don't don't worry so much about why am I trapped
Speaker 1: in this sandbox? And you know, you're worried about the
Speaker 1: whole ananaky thing, and here they are. They just want
Speaker 1: me to mind all these sand castles. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: that like look at it in the sense of, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I get to create these awesome sand castles, I get
Speaker 1: to I get to dig these crazy trenches and I can,
Speaker 1: you know, make a drawbridge. And you know, the goal
Speaker 1: here is to create, So why not understand all the
Speaker 1: elements that you have right in front of you all
Speaker 1: the time to be able to create in the way
Speaker 1: that I believe that we were put here for.
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely absolutely, and you know, as far as you know,
Speaker 3: just the whole aspect of maybe there's something after this, right,
Speaker 3: but like right now, we're here, and so we should
Speaker 3: at least just expec sperience of this to the fullest,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like you said, not worrying
Speaker 3: about like, oh, we're trapped here. It's more like we're
Speaker 3: just experiencing this, So make it the best possible thing
Speaker 3: you can, you know, rather than fearing everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'll tell you what, There's been times where
Speaker 1: I've been put in situations to be able to succeed
Speaker 1: and I didn't take it seriously enough, and I look
Speaker 1: back with like regret. Almost not so much anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't really hold any regrets, But there was a period
Speaker 1: in my life where I would look back that, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I was in such a good position, or I had
Speaker 1: a really good opportunity and I just let it squander itself, right,
Speaker 1: And that's probably the worst feeling, because you want to
Speaker 1: make sure that you're getting the most out of yourself
Speaker 1: given whatever position or situation that you're in. It's always
Speaker 1: regret is not so much about like, oh, I wasn't
Speaker 1: presented with this opportunity. Like nobody's regretful for something that
Speaker 1: they were never presented the opportunity for. Right. You're regretful
Speaker 1: for having an opportunity and not taken advantage.
Speaker 3: Of it, right, Right, And it doesn't serve you very
Speaker 3: well to look back and kick yourself in the ass.
Speaker 3: When you're now in this situation or this predicament, it's like,
Speaker 3: try to experience this.
Speaker 1: The best you can.
Speaker 3: That way you don't miss future or present current opportunities.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and that's the thing is that you know,
Speaker 1: you can sit there and regret, but ultimately, if you're
Speaker 1: not using regret as a tool to better you and
Speaker 1: make you more aware of opportunities that present themselves in
Speaker 1: the future, then there's no point in regret in the
Speaker 1: first place. If you really think about it, like, if
Speaker 1: you're not using it as.
Speaker 3: A tool, then don't use it at all, right, you know,
Speaker 3: And I would probably say don't use it at all,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, sure, you can
Speaker 3: remember the bad decisions you've made that got you here,
Speaker 3: but don't sit there and put yourself on a lower
Speaker 3: frequency in the process, because then, like I said, you
Speaker 3: might just miss out on opportunities coming forward, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Or going forward?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. So anyhow, incorporating Earth in
Speaker 1: witchcraft to embrace the Earth element in witchcraft, one can
Speaker 1: partake in various practices. Spending time in nature, whether it
Speaker 1: be through forest walks, gardening, or simply sitting on the earth,
Speaker 1: allows us to attune ourselves to Earth's vibration and draw
Speaker 1: inspiration from its wisdom. Incorporating natural materials like stones, soil, plants,
Speaker 1: and dispels, rituals, or altars can enhance the connection to
Speaker 1: the Earth element. Additionally, crafting charms or talismans using Earth
Speaker 1: associated symbols such as the pentacle, the labyrinth, or representations
Speaker 1: of animals connected to the Earth can strengthen can strengthen
Speaker 1: the bond with this element. Working with grounding meditation or
Speaker 1: visualization techniques allows us to align with the Earth's stability
Speaker 1: and find our inner balance. The Earth element serves as
Speaker 1: a grounding force in witchcraft, reminding us of our deep
Speaker 1: connection to the physical realm and the rhythms of nature.
Speaker 1: By embracing this element's energy, which is can cultivate stability, abundance,
Speaker 1: and resilience in their magical practices, whether through incorporating natural materials,
Speaker 1: performing spells focused on manifesting abundance, or spending time and nature.
Speaker 1: The Earth element offers a steadfast foundation upon which witches
Speaker 1: can build their craft. So let us immerse ourselves and
Speaker 1: the Earth's embrace and embark on a journey of connection, prosperity,
Speaker 1: and spiritual growth. So this is pretty interesting, and they
Speaker 1: bring up the different correspondences for Earth, which I find
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating just as far as symbolism goes. So the
Speaker 1: gender for Earth is feminine. Obviously, it's Mother Earth, right,
Speaker 1: It's always birthing new things all the time. The time
Speaker 1: is quite interesting, but it does make sense, says The
Speaker 1: time that it corresponds with would be the nighttime, And
Speaker 1: I guess it does really make sense because without the
Speaker 1: sun it would always be dark anyway, and the sun
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily element of the earth, right, it's separate from
Speaker 1: the earth, right, So pretty interesting that way. Which then
Speaker 1: by accepting that, you would also have to agree that
Speaker 1: the season would be winter because without the sun it
Speaker 1: would probably just snow a lot. It'd just be cold
Speaker 1: as shit all the time. Oh shit, Okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: The direction is north, which I guess also kind of
Speaker 1: makes sense if we are always stuck on a pole
Speaker 1: and that pole was always aligned with the North Star, right,
Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense most of the time that
Speaker 1: people align any ancient spiritual practices, just as we heard
Speaker 1: from symbolic studies the other night, it was always aligned
Speaker 1: with polar deities, and it was always the northern hemisphere
Speaker 1: that was always working with them. Yep, exactly, So it
Speaker 1: makes sense that it would be north. That being said,
Speaker 1: the planets that would also be around would be Venus
Speaker 1: and Saturn. Venus makes sense because we're close to Venus,
Speaker 1: aren't we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I don't know what's what's going on with Saturn.
Speaker 1: What's the deal? Well, Venus is the morning star. It's
Speaker 1: the first star in the sky in the morning, right,
Speaker 1: So maybe that makes the most amount of sense Saturn. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I know a lot of dark magicians out
Speaker 1: there that definitely work with Saturn more than anything else. Yeah. Hm,
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure about that one. Yeah, And we
Speaker 1: can go on and on with all these different things,
Speaker 1: but I just find it pretty fascinating just with all
Speaker 1: of the different correspondences. I mean, it brings up different herbs, food,
Speaker 1: and drink. The food and drinks would be root vegetables, grains, nuts,
Speaker 1: and herbal teas, everything that comes from the earth naturally, Okay.
Speaker 1: So the earth magical properties would be stability, grounding, abundance, fertility, manifestation,
Speaker 1: and practicality. Interesting, the manifestations on.
Speaker 3: There, I like it well, yeah, especially of the physical
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out the different names nature spirits. So you
Speaker 1: would have gnomes, trolls, fairies, and earth elementals. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It makes sense because anytime that you know, like the
Speaker 1: people of old always spent time outside, right, and most
Speaker 1: of the time those were elements that you would find outside,
Speaker 1: you know, your fairies and your gnomes and the trolls.
Speaker 1: They were always like outside kind of creatures, you know, right.
Speaker 3: And I remember we had a show I forget who
Speaker 3: we were talking to at the time, but we were
Speaker 3: talking about like the the earth spirits or the nature spirits, right,
Speaker 3: And I remember the very next day, I was just
Speaker 3: like I put my awareness to like the trees because
Speaker 3: they were blowing in the wind, and one of the
Speaker 3: trees like moved, I don't know, it was just like
Speaker 3: a little bit different than the rest, and I noticed it,
Speaker 3: and then I started to think about that that whole
Speaker 3: aspect of the the nature spirits or whatever. And then
Speaker 3: I looked over to my left and found a twenty
Speaker 3: dollars bill on the ground. And it was just like
Speaker 3: this magical thing that happened to me, because it's like
Speaker 3: if it would have happened and I wasn't even thinking
Speaker 3: about that whole thing, and I just found the money.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, I wouldn't even even put two and
Speaker 3: two together, but because of how it happened and what
Speaker 3: my mind was doing, and then I find money out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, I don't know, it was just like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: it's almost like.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the earth rewarded you, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: noticed it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then I just manifested something in the I don't know,
Speaker 3: it was just it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. Sorry. So we're going to go over
Speaker 1: a lot of this a little bit later, but this
Speaker 1: is kind of just an outline because what we're getting
Speaker 1: into later is going to be so much deeper, and
Speaker 1: it's going to deepen and broaden your understanding of the elements,
Speaker 1: probably far more than definitely either one of us have
Speaker 1: ever you know, looked into sure and we've talked about
Speaker 1: the elements whenever we read The Magician, Remember, it went
Speaker 1: into working with the element the elementals, And at the
Speaker 1: time it was kind of something that almost went over
Speaker 1: our head because we were still, you know, young in
Speaker 1: our understand and I mean we still are very young
Speaker 1: in our understanding, there's no doubt about that. But the
Speaker 1: path is of the mystic, okay, and that we're on
Speaker 1: the path, you know, we are on the path. We're
Speaker 1: on the Full's journey. I don't know what steps were
Speaker 1: on yet, but we're definitely no longer We're no longer
Speaker 1: just the full, you know. I would say we're at
Speaker 1: least at the Magician, at the leavests.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, oh yeah, a minimum.
Speaker 1: At the minimum. I don't know, I feel like we've
Speaker 1: crossed the tower so far, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so there's no going back.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that, no, there ain't. So the next
Speaker 1: one we're going to get into is air. Air is
Speaker 1: a force that is both seen and unseen, carrying the
Speaker 1: energies of communication, intellect, inspiration, and transformation. Just as the
Speaker 1: wind whispers secrets through the trees, air symbolizes the realm
Speaker 1: of thoughts, ideas, and the power of the mind. It
Speaker 1: holds the potential for clarity, mental agility, and the swift
Speaker 1: currents of change. By tapping into the essence of air,
Speaker 1: witches can amplify their intellectual capacities, enhance their intuition, and
Speaker 1: facilitate the free flow of energy within their craft. Air
Speaker 1: magic encompasses themes of intellect, communication, inspiration, and travel. It
Speaker 1: aids in enhancing mental clarity, fostering effective communication, and seeking
Speaker 1: truth and wisdom. By working with the air element, which
Speaker 1: is can harness its energy to stimulate creativity, promote clear thinking,
Speaker 1: and invite swift transformation in their lives. It serves as
Speaker 1: a conduit for ideas to take flight and for intentions
Speaker 1: to be carried far and wide.
Speaker 3: I love that, just to put it in terms the
Speaker 3: like of the now. You know what I mean, if
Speaker 3: you're outside and you're really putting your awareness and you're
Speaker 3: really directing all of your attention on just how the
Speaker 3: wind is flowing and how it feels, and you're you're
Speaker 3: putting your mind to just that aspect of what the
Speaker 3: wind does. You know, you're not You're definitely not looking
Speaker 3: at your phone. You're definitely not doing you know, some
Speaker 3: shit that doesn't serve you. You're just you're paying attention
Speaker 3: to that and allowing your mind to to process and
Speaker 3: do things that it's supposed to be doing, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, you know what, it always
Speaker 1: seems like like every time the wind is blowing, it
Speaker 1: seems like it's an effortless kind of movement, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's doing so without forcing it.
Speaker 3: Well, the wind is doing exactly what it's supposed to
Speaker 3: be doing, you know what I mean. Like you never
Speaker 3: feel like, ah, the wind's not supposed to be doing
Speaker 3: this right now, It's exactly doing what it's supposed to
Speaker 3: be doing.
Speaker 1: It's just it's nature. You know. Well, when you think
Speaker 1: about it, without the wind, you know, you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: pollen from trees and from from roses, and all the
Speaker 1: flowers and all the different plants spreading across all the land,
Speaker 1: which would help with all the vegetation of everything. Right,
Speaker 1: And so it all serves one major like divine focal point,
Speaker 1: and it all just works in communion because it knows
Speaker 1: almost like it knows its duty, and it doesn't hesitate
Speaker 1: to do it right.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have second thoughts or doubts about itself, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It just does. It just knows. Yeah. So to embrace
Speaker 1: the air elements in witchcraft, practitioners can engage in various
Speaker 1: practices that attune them to its energy. Spending time in
Speaker 1: open spaces such as parks or hilltops and feeling the
Speaker 1: gentle caress of the wind on one's skin creates a
Speaker 1: direct connection with the air's essence. Utilizing feathers, incense, or
Speaker 1: smoke in rituals and spell casting and spell casting can
Speaker 1: invoke the transformative power of air. Visualizing oneself surrounded by
Speaker 1: a gentle breeze or conducting breathwork. Conducting breathwork exercises can
Speaker 1: help align with the energetic currents of air. Furthermore, crafting
Speaker 1: and utilizing wind a wind. Chimes or sigils featuring symbols
Speaker 1: associated with air, such as birds, feathers, or spirals can
Speaker 1: deepen the connection with this element. Engaging in divination practices
Speaker 1: such as scrying or working with oracle cards can also
Speaker 1: tap into Earth's earth elements, intuitive and insightful aspects. The
Speaker 1: air element serves as an ethereal force within witchcraft, elevating
Speaker 1: our practice by stimulating intellectual growth, fostering effective communication, and
Speaker 1: facilitating transformation by embracing Air's energy, which can enhance their
Speaker 1: intuitive capacities, harness the power of their thoughts, and invite
Speaker 1: swift change into their lives. Through mindful engagement with the element,
Speaker 1: whether through visualization, breath work, or incorporating air associated symbols
Speaker 1: and materials into rituals, we can soar on the winds
Speaker 1: of inspiration and embrace the limitless possibilities that air bestows.
Speaker 1: So let us open our minds, breathe deeply, and dance
Speaker 1: in harmony with the enchanting power of air. That's great.
Speaker 3: It gets me to think of that quote Alan Watts said,
Speaker 3: as far as you are doing exactly what the universe
Speaker 3: is doing, just like a wave is doing what the
Speaker 3: ocean is doing. And so if you're visualizing the wind
Speaker 3: and you're in that space where that wind is happening,
Speaker 3: and you're able to see the thing spinning or whatever
Speaker 3: it is that you're using the smoke spiraling, it's putting
Speaker 3: you right in tune with that moment in time with
Speaker 3: the wind, you know what I mean. And so it's
Speaker 3: like you're really almost like HEMI sinking with the earth itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. That's a perfect way to put that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting how that works, dude. But there are correspondences
Speaker 1: for air. So the gender is masculine, okay, man, maybe
Speaker 1: because it forces its way through no matter where it's going.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, no idea. The time is dawn, so hmm.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they come up with these ones.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a there's a rhyme or a reason.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't know how to wrap my
Speaker 1: mind around certain things like that. The season would be spring.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, you know, it's carrying all the different
Speaker 1: seeds and all the different pollens and everything everywhere. Makes sense.
Speaker 1: The direction would be east, right, So I guess that's
Speaker 1: just the natural flow of the winds. Maybe I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I wish I did, And let's go on.
Speaker 1: The tarot card would be the suit of Swords, which
Speaker 1: we didn't read the Earth one, but I kind of
Speaker 1: have a direct idea.
Speaker 3: It would be, well, the sword cuts through the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the Earth card would be pentacles. Oh okay, okay,
Speaker 1: makes sense. I guess. Then you have the air animals
Speaker 1: would be birds, butterflies, dragonflies, owls, and hawks. So that's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting if you think about it, because you're not
Speaker 1: just working with the air, you're also working with the
Speaker 1: air you know, elementals, the air animals at that animals
Speaker 1: and what is a you know, because without the wind,
Speaker 1: does the eagle fly as far as it needs to?
Speaker 1: You know, does it have to put in so much effort?
Speaker 1: Because you think about it, most of the the the
Speaker 1: air creatures, they're going with the wind. They're not necessarily
Speaker 1: going against it. You know, that's just going to cause
Speaker 1: them to exert a lot more energy. They'd much rather
Speaker 1: go with the flow of the wind exactly.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: A quick thing that happened recently, my wife she had
Speaker 3: a final exam to do and it was her second attempt.
Speaker 1: You know, to make sure that she was going to
Speaker 1: pass this test, and she.
Speaker 3: Had I think she I mean, if she would have
Speaker 3: failed it, I don't think she would have failed out
Speaker 3: of the class because her grade's high enough for what
Speaker 3: have you. But basically she needed to pass it. And
Speaker 3: so she was already at school and I had just
Speaker 3: got home from from work and right above our door
Speaker 3: on the wall was a I believe it was called.
Speaker 1: Well it was.
Speaker 3: It was a big it was a huge moth. But
Speaker 3: there was a name of this moth, and it was
Speaker 3: like a name. It was a hummingbird moth. And so
Speaker 3: immediately because it caught in and it was so big,
Speaker 3: you know, and just the timing of it, dude, it
Speaker 3: like lined up perfectly with kind of what we were
Speaker 3: trying to make happen, almost like it was a messenger
Speaker 3: of some sort, you know, to bring us some type
Speaker 3: of luck or like, if not luck, then at least
Speaker 3: like a reassurance, you know what I mean. And it
Speaker 3: was one of those uh air animals, you know, or
Speaker 3: insect But and.
Speaker 1: Dude, there's actually a lot of spiritual connection to the
Speaker 1: moth as well, you know, a lot like you know,
Speaker 1: the like it's almost like the phoenix, Like it's a
Speaker 1: very spiritual kind of connection that you can build with
Speaker 1: the phoenix and like the dragon and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The moth is right up there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well that's what made me think of it.
Speaker 3: Was that book that you showed me. Was that not
Speaker 3: a moth or was that a butterfly? I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I think it actually is a moth. Bro I think
Speaker 3: it is, yeah, And it just it reminded me of that,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I don't know. Sometimes when things like
Speaker 3: that happened, I feel like it's I mean, of all
Speaker 3: all the houses that that crazy looking moth could.
Speaker 1: Have landed on, you know, and what we were going through.
Speaker 3: And what it seemed to have meant spiritually, because I
Speaker 3: looked it up like immediately because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is something you know, and I don't know, it
Speaker 3: felt right.
Speaker 1: Well, And there's something to it too, because if you
Speaker 1: even think about it, like if you so, a lot
Speaker 1: of people like going into the Bible and then looking
Speaker 1: up the original meaning of said words, whether it be
Speaker 1: you know, the the ancient Greek way of understanding it,
Speaker 1: or the ancient Hebrew way of understanding it, or the
Speaker 1: Aramaic way of understanding it right, like as Jesus spoke
Speaker 1: Aramaic and all these things, right, And whenever people look
Speaker 1: at what was the word that we know as spirit,
Speaker 1: what was that translated from? You know? And it was
Speaker 1: always the breath? Like the breath is the spirit. And
Speaker 1: you think about breath, I'm sure that is perfectly in
Speaker 1: line with wind, right right? M h absolutely? Air, yeah right,
Speaker 1: it's literally like you can't do it without air, you know.
Speaker 1: And if we are not generating some kind of wind
Speaker 1: every time we speak, I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: you know. Ye, So that would be the air. The
Speaker 1: nature spirits would be the Sylphs, the fairies, and the sprites. Interesting. Oh,
Speaker 1: the d d's associated with the air element would be
Speaker 1: hermes Iris, both Athena and mercury. Hm hmm. Shout out
Speaker 1: of Thoth, Dude. I always like to give him a
Speaker 1: shot out every time we can. Dude. Absolutely, he's one
Speaker 1: of the ogs of this show.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The next element we're gonna be getting into water. This
Speaker 1: is where it's gonna start getting wild, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you that, right. So, And like my two favorite ones
Speaker 1: that I've looked up because I did a lot of
Speaker 1: research before this. My two favorite elements that I looked
Speaker 1: up were fire and water, and you'll see why because
Speaker 1: it gets it gets wild. So water, the elements of
Speaker 1: fluidity and intuition, mirrors the ebb and of life itself.
Speaker 1: It represents the vast seas, serene lakes, and soothing soothing
Speaker 1: rivers rather that nourish the earth and all living beings.
Speaker 1: In the realm of emotions, water governs the depth of
Speaker 1: our feelings, encouraging us to embrace vulnerability, intuition, and empathy.
Speaker 1: By connecting with the water element, which is can navigate
Speaker 1: the currents of their emotions, tap into their psychic abilities,
Speaker 1: and embark on a journey of healing and spiritual transformation. Now,
Speaker 1: before I read any farther, I do want to just
Speaker 1: say this, if for nothing else with this show, if
Speaker 1: you're not going to be working with the elementals or
Speaker 1: anything like that, just at least use it for your
Speaker 1: tarot understanding, right, right, Because every single tarot card has air, earth, water, fire,
Speaker 1: It's always something associated with it, right, And so if
Speaker 1: you're not going to use it, at least understand it symbolism,
Speaker 1: which is to be honest, it's the main reason why
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it because I was trying to
Speaker 1: deepen and you know, broaden my under my own personal
Speaker 1: understanding of the tarot itself. And I feel like if
Speaker 1: you can at least get a decent understanding of the elements,
Speaker 1: you'll be able to apply that to every single tarot card.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I really like and what we probably
Speaker 3: should do, and I think I might is go through
Speaker 3: the tarot deck, like Mario was saying, as far as like,
Speaker 3: just just take one card and just try to fully
Speaker 3: understand that card to the best of your ability before.
Speaker 1: You move on to another one, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Just really fully embody and try to take what you
Speaker 3: can from that card, you know, and then move on.
Speaker 3: So I think I think we might have to do.
Speaker 1: That for sure. That's actually a really good idea.
Speaker 3: And just start with the major arcana if you want
Speaker 3: it to first or whatever you want, you know, start
Speaker 3: with pinnacles and just go through all those first or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea. And honestly, look, there's there's
Speaker 1: seventy eight cards in a tarot deck, right, there's fifty
Speaker 1: two weeks in a year, and we do two shows
Speaker 1: a week, right, we could do one herrow card per episode. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if we really wanted to, just maybe towards the end
Speaker 1: or every time we pull one, right, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: here's the next one. We're gonna try and really depict
Speaker 1: and really understand. And you know, I mean, all of this,
Speaker 1: what is witchcraft and magic and spirituality? If it's not
Speaker 1: being put into practice anyway, that's it, you know. So
Speaker 1: I don't know that could be something we look into.
Speaker 1: But anyway, water magic encompasses themes of emotion, intuition, healing, purification,
Speaker 1: and spiritual transformation. It allows witches to dive deep into
Speaker 1: their emotions, heal past wounds, and connect with their inner wisdom.
Speaker 1: By working with the water elements, practitioners can harness its
Speaker 1: energy to enhance their psychic abilities, facilitate emotional healing, and
Speaker 1: invoke a sense of divine flow and receptivity within their craft. Now,
Speaker 1: if you think of every time that there's every time
Speaker 1: there's a baptism, usually water involved, right, and so maybe
Speaker 1: that element in and of itself plays a major role
Speaker 1: in shedding one's old body and coming into the the
Speaker 1: rebirthed new version of you. You know, and if you
Speaker 1: think about it, every single time you're born. I mean
Speaker 1: we've only ever you know, consciously remembered being born once.
Speaker 1: But whenever you're born, like the mom's water has to
Speaker 1: break first, you know, and you're coming out of literally,
Speaker 1: as it puts it in the in the Bible, out
Speaker 1: of the matrix whenever you come out of your mother,
Speaker 1: right right, you know. So the woman's vagina is referred
Speaker 1: to as a matrix like a fucking border, yeah, which
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. So you're born from the waters essentially,
Speaker 1: and so that's the whole idea of baptism is to
Speaker 1: be reborn again from the waters itself, you know, just
Speaker 1: the symbolism of it. So incorporating water in witchcraft to
Speaker 1: embrace the water element in witchcraft, there are various practices
Speaker 1: that witches can engage in to connect with its energy.
Speaker 1: Spending time near natural water bodies such as oceans, rivers,
Speaker 1: or even taking soothing baths can attune one to water's essence.
Speaker 1: Collecting and consecrating water from sacred sources, or infusing water
Speaker 1: with intentions and blessings can create potent magical elixirs. Incorporating seashells,
Speaker 1: coral or other marine elements in altars or spells can
Speaker 1: also enhance the connection with water. Furthermore, engaging in scrying
Speaker 1: or mirror givenation rituals, as well as working with dream
Speaker 1: magic and intuitive practices can tap into the depths of
Speaker 1: water's wisdom. Creating ritual baths or performing water based rituals
Speaker 1: for emotional healing, purification, or manifestation can be a powerful
Speaker 1: way to work with water's transformative energy. Meditation and visualization
Speaker 1: techniques can involve immersing oneself's oneself in the imagery of
Speaker 1: water or swimming in an ethereal sea can also deepen
Speaker 1: the connection to water. Wow a meditation and visualization of
Speaker 1: you swimming in an ethereal sea. That's all sign me
Speaker 1: up all day so. Water, with its mystical depths and
Speaker 1: ever changing nature, holds a special place within witchcraft. By
Speaker 1: embracing the essence of water, which is can explore the
Speaker 1: vast seas of their emotions, tap into their intuitive powers,
Speaker 1: and embark on a journey of healing and spiritual transformation.
Speaker 1: Through practices such as connecting with natural water sources, utilizing
Speaker 1: water and rituals or spell work, or engaging in divination
Speaker 1: and intuitive exercises, we can immerse ourselves in the enchanting
Speaker 1: flow of water's energy. So let us surrender to the currents,
Speaker 1: dive into the depths, and allow the mystical waters to
Speaker 1: guide us on our magical path of emotional healing, intuition,
Speaker 1: and spiritual growth. You know what this reminds me of?
Speaker 1: M Do you remember in Space Jam? You know the
Speaker 1: tune squad. You know Michael Jordan's team was getting that
Speaker 1: ass whooped that halftime. Oh yeah, and Michael Jordan and
Speaker 1: all of his brilliance. He said, I'm gonna give them
Speaker 1: some of this magical juice, right, and he goes and
Speaker 1: he says, look, you drink this, you are going to
Speaker 1: outperform everybody. You are just going to go crazy, and
Speaker 1: he gives it to all of them. They all believe it, right,
Speaker 1: because they all asked him, like, what's that one thing?
Speaker 1: How do you do it? And so it just comes
Speaker 1: up with this thing on the spot. It was water, right,
Speaker 1: It was nothing special. It was just regular tap water.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even anything crazy, right, but they all believed it,
Speaker 1: and that water it was Yeah, it was just a
Speaker 1: placebo effect really, but that water was essentially a placebo
Speaker 1: symbol in a sense that they ingested something and that's
Speaker 1: something is going to allow them to play as if
Speaker 1: they were Michael Jordan. Right, it's a magical elixir. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's crazy, and it's not really
Speaker 1: that crazy because even if you think about it, there's
Speaker 1: holy water, right, and like anytime there needs to be
Speaker 1: any kind of exorcism or you know, you go and
Speaker 1: get baptized or you go and get confirmed into Catholicism
Speaker 1: or whatever, there's always the water that goes on your head, right,
Speaker 1: And there seems to be some kind of spiritual connection
Speaker 1: all the time to water. And is it because it's
Speaker 1: so malleable and so easily accessible, and people always use
Speaker 1: whatever was accessible to them all the time in their
Speaker 1: spiritual aid. Like all the time it was whatever you
Speaker 1: had with you. It was just like never more Airy said,
Speaker 1: like whatever you got in your kitchen, dude, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that.
Speaker 3: And also none of us can live without it, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, our bodies are you know, over seventy
Speaker 1: percent water, as is the Earth's right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we are essentially water sacks. You think about it, yep,
Speaker 1: what so, dude, we are not right and and so
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, if you really think about it,
Speaker 1: if all we are is you know, uh, energy, vibration
Speaker 1: and frequency. You know, we're made up of water, so
Speaker 1: essentially our being is a frequency that is made from
Speaker 1: the water itself. That's right.
Speaker 3: We're just cimatics, now, that's all. That's really it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so it's it's not really that crazy
Speaker 1: that whenever you know you're feeling a certain way in
Speaker 1: your mind, the rest of your body emulates it. That's right,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, here we are just crystallizing shit
Speaker 1: in our entire body. We don't even know it. So uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: there's all the different Uh you can incorporate the water
Speaker 1: and your witchcraft and everything too. I can't remember if
Speaker 1: I did I read that far yet my tripping it's hard.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah I did. Okay, So water, it says
Speaker 1: that the gender of water would be feminine.
Speaker 3: Okay, makes sense. That makes sense to me, it does.
Speaker 1: You know, we come from the water women. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta come from a woman, you know, or a
Speaker 1: woman you know. So the season would be autumn, okay,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. The evening or the time would be evening, right,
Speaker 1: the direction would be west, the tarot card would obviously
Speaker 1: be the suit of cups. The water animals that you
Speaker 1: would attached to this would be fish, dolphins, turtles, swans,
Speaker 1: and seals. Okay, so if you're just trying to use
Speaker 1: a symbol that's, you know, the one that people usually
Speaker 1: go to. The nature spirits would be undines never heard
Speaker 1: of that, mermaids or water nymphs. Okay um, yeah, so
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. The deities associated with the water elements would
Speaker 1: be Aphrodite, Poseidon, Yamaya, Isis, and Danu. Okay I like
Speaker 1: seem Poseidon in there. Poseidon makes sense to me. And
Speaker 1: uh not finally because we still got the spirit or
Speaker 1: the ether, but uh, next we are going to get
Speaker 1: into fire. So fire dances with an intense in captivating energy,
Speaker 1: embodying the qualities of passion, creativity, will, power, and transformation.
Speaker 1: It is the spark of inspiration that ignites our desires,
Speaker 1: fuels our ambitions, and drives us forward, just as fire
Speaker 1: can both nurture and consume. The fire elements in witchcraft
Speaker 1: represents the potent force of change, the catalyst for spiritual
Speaker 1: growth and the embodiment of personal power. By harnessing the
Speaker 1: essence of fire, which is can kindle the flames of
Speaker 1: their intentions, manifest their desires, and embody the transformative nature
Speaker 1: of this element. Fire magic encompasses themes of passion, will power, courage, purification,
Speaker 1: and transformation, and empowers witches to ignite their creativity, fuel
Speaker 1: their ambitions, and embrace their personal power. By working with
Speaker 1: the fire elements, practitioners can tap into their inner strength,
Speaker 1: channel their intentions with fiery determination, and embark on a
Speaker 1: path to self discovery and transformation. If you're looking to
Speaker 1: incorporate fire into your witchcraft, you would use so to
Speaker 1: embrace the fire element in witchcraft, there are various practices
Speaker 1: that witches can engage in to connect with its energy.
Speaker 1: Working with candle magic, where the flame becomes a focal
Speaker 1: point of intention. Setting and spell casting is a popular
Speaker 1: way to incorporate fire. Lighting candles, yes, lighting candles in
Speaker 1: colors associated with specific intentions, or using flame symbols and
Speaker 1: rituals can amplify the power of fire. Engaging in bonfire ceremonies,
Speaker 1: fire scrying, or fire divination rituals can deepen the connection
Speaker 1: with fire's transformative energy. Utilizing fire related tools such as
Speaker 1: a cauldron, an anthem, or oh you would you would
Speaker 1: have thought the antheme would be more of a wind tool.
Speaker 1: But antheme is a fire one. How about that? Okay?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Or if you're creating, you know what I'm saying, If
Speaker 3: you're creating and you're pointing your intentions at something with
Speaker 3: your antheme, you know, accence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could be both. Actually, now I
Speaker 1: think about it, you know. Anyway, So a cauldron, an antheme,
Speaker 1: or burning herbs can enhance rituals focused on purification or
Speaker 1: releasing negative energies. Additionally, practicing fire meditation visualizing oneself engulfed
Speaker 1: in the warm glow of flames can ignite inner strength
Speaker 1: and passion. Man, that sounds awesome, right, become the flame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever you look at like a campfire or a bonfire,
Speaker 3: that that just looks like energy itself just being expressed,
Speaker 3: like it has its own energy almost.
Speaker 1: It's just going yeah, yeah, there's something to it that
Speaker 1: just draws you, like a moth to a flame. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. Fire, with its mesmerizing flames and passionate energy,
Speaker 1: holds a prominent place within witchcraft by embracing the essence
Speaker 1: of fire, which is can't awaken their creative spark, fuel
Speaker 1: their desires, and embrace their personal power. Through practices such
Speaker 1: as candle magic, fire divination, or visualization techniques involving the
Speaker 1: imagery of flames, we can ignite the transformative energy of
Speaker 1: fire within our craft. So let us embrace the flame,
Speaker 1: dance with intensity, and allow the elemental power of fire
Speaker 1: to illuminate our path of passion, empowerment, and profound transformation.
Speaker 1: Some fall, dude, just you know, it just fires me up.
Speaker 1: So the correspondence is a fire. It's not shocking to
Speaker 1: me that fire would be masculine, of course, you know
Speaker 1: that one makes sense. The time would be noon, Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's the hottest time of the day, right.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The season would be summer, still, not a shocker. Direction
Speaker 1: would be south. Not shocking there either, you know it's
Speaker 1: always hotter down south. Oh, towards the equator anyway. The
Speaker 1: planets would be the Sun and Mars. Let's see. The
Speaker 1: tarot card would be the suit of wands. Oh, I
Speaker 1: guess that does make sense if we were talking about
Speaker 1: the anthime, right yeah, yeah. The colors are red, orange,
Speaker 1: and gold. The magical tools would be the antheme, the
Speaker 1: wand candles, cauldron or burning herbs. All makes sense. The
Speaker 1: food and drink would be spicy foods, citrus fruits, herbal
Speaker 1: teas with stimulating properties. The fire animals would be a lion,
Speaker 1: a phoenix, a snake, a salamander, or a fox. Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like fire is the easiest one to connect to. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: it makes like the most out of sense. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The nature spirits would be the salamander and the fire elementals.
Speaker 1: All right, See, salamanders are a real thing, but the
Speaker 1: spiritual there is a spiritual salamander as well that is
Speaker 1: like completely fireproof. And oh yeah, yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: actually regarded a lot in the taro. Yeah, and what
Speaker 1: was it? The fire elementals? Yeah, so the deities associated
Speaker 1: with the fire element would be Apollo, Brigid, Pele, Hesgia,
Speaker 1: and Vulcan, a couple of those. I never heard of
Speaker 1: it before, not gonna know, so sweet. All right, So
Speaker 1: now we're going to get to the final one on
Speaker 1: this page, which would be the spirit or the ether.
Speaker 1: A right spirit is the ethereal essence that exists beyond
Speaker 1: the physical realm, encompassing the divine, the collective consciousness, and
Speaker 1: the interwoven tapestry of all existence. It is the universal
Speaker 1: life force that breathes energy into every being in every element.
Speaker 1: Spirit in witchcraft represents the connection to the divine, intuition
Speaker 1: and spiritual growth, and the transcendent nature of our existence.
Speaker 1: By embracing the essence of spirit, witches can tap into
Speaker 1: the boundless wisdom of the universe, commune with higher beings,
Speaker 1: and embark on a transformative journey of spiritual awakening. Spiritual
Speaker 1: magic encompasses themes of intuition, divination, spiritual growth, and connection
Speaker 1: to higher beings. It allows witches to tap into their
Speaker 1: innate wisdom, connect with spirit guides and ancestors, and seek
Speaker 1: guidance from the divine. By working with spirits, practitioners can
Speaker 1: deepen their understanding of the unseen, explore their spiritual gifts,
Speaker 1: and experience profound transformations within their spiritual journeys. To embrace
Speaker 1: the essence of spirit in witchcraft, one can engage in
Speaker 1: practices that foster a deep connection to the spiritual realm.
Speaker 1: Meditation and mindfulness techniques allow witches to quiet their mind,
Speaker 1: cultivate awareness, and open themselves to receiving spiritual guidance. Creating
Speaker 1: sacred spaces such as alters or ritual areas dedicated dedicated
Speaker 1: to connecting with Spirit can provide a focal point for
Speaker 1: spiritual practices. Engaging in divination methods such as tarot reading, scrying,
Speaker 1: or working with oracle cards can offer insights and messages
Speaker 1: from the divine realm. Communing with spirit guides, ancestors, or
Speaker 1: deity figures through prayer, meditation, or ritual invocations can deepen
Speaker 1: the connection to Spirit. Additionally, engaging in rituals or ceremonies
Speaker 1: that honor and celebrate the divine can enhance spiritual connections
Speaker 1: and cultivate a sense of reference and sacredness in one's craft. Spirit,
Speaker 1: the ethereal essence that binds us to the divine and
Speaker 1: connects us to the higher realms, holds a profound place
Speaker 1: within witchcraft. By embracing the essence of Spirit, which is
Speaker 1: can tap into the limitless wisdom of the universe, commune
Speaker 1: with higher beings, and embark on a transformative journey of
Speaker 1: spiritual growth and alignment. Through practices such as meditation, divination,
Speaker 1: and connecting with spirit guides, we can cultivate a deep
Speaker 1: connection to Spirit and invite its divine guidance. And inspiration
Speaker 1: into our craft. So let's open our hearts, attune our spirits,
Speaker 1: and embrace the sacred dance with the ethereal realm of
Speaker 1: spirit within our magical endeavors.
Speaker 3: This is the one that I believe, you know, if
Speaker 3: you really think about it, man, it's the one thing
Speaker 3: that seems to bind all of us. It's the one
Speaker 3: thing that we all have understanding of, or at least
Speaker 3: experience with. And what I was doing when you were
Speaker 3: reading that was I was replacing the word spirit with consciousness. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it works in I'm saying, And that's the one
Speaker 3: thing that we all have in common, whether you like
Speaker 3: it or not, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that any of the other four
Speaker 1: elements would even exist if it wasn't for the spirit personally, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know these because everything they you know, what
Speaker 1: they're finding, especially now within quantum visit, is that consciousness
Speaker 1: precedes everything physical. So without consciousness, physical world doesn't.
Speaker 3: Exist, right, because there would be no conscious being to
Speaker 3: experience it, you know what I'm saying. Like, and even
Speaker 3: consciousness itself.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I don't think they are
Speaker 3: fully aware of where the consciousness is within the human brain,
Speaker 3: if it's even in the brain. But I mean, I
Speaker 3: would imagine it is, but I don't think there's any
Speaker 3: one area unless it's like your third eye, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But I don't know, like where is consciousness,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Well, And I wouldn't even say that it's just trapped
Speaker 1: into the brain. I think that it goes beyond that.
Speaker 1: And that's actually something that I've heard a lot of unseen. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's directly located, you know, in
Speaker 1: the head, because first of all, it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not like if somebody says, oh, my consciousness is look
Speaker 1: in my left arm, and then you could just chop
Speaker 1: that arm off, they would still live. And it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I guess your consciousness is gone. Your
Speaker 1: consciousness is still there. You can't chop off your head
Speaker 1: and expect to even live to prove that consciousness is
Speaker 1: still around, you know. But as said Guru and many
Speaker 1: others have stated, especially whenever it's in regard to you know,
Speaker 1: the whole chakra system, like your consciousness exists in all
Speaker 1: of the different energy centers essentially that you can put
Speaker 1: all of your all of your thought, and all of
Speaker 1: your focus into each individual one of the energy energy
Speaker 1: centers or the chakras or whatever you want to look
Speaker 1: at it, that every single one of them is it's
Speaker 1: all connecting back up and it feels like it's all
Speaker 1: operating in the brain. You know. But and I've heard
Speaker 1: people say this before, and I totally believe it, you know,
Speaker 1: just they say that your your gut is actually your
Speaker 1: second brain, right, I believe it's actually your first, because
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, dude, try going up,
Speaker 1: especially whenever we podcast m We've found out the hard
Speaker 1: way several times that the worst thing that you can
Speaker 1: possibly do is eat a huge meal before you get
Speaker 1: behind the microphone, right, I mean, you are totally paralyzed.
Speaker 3: I'm very very aware of. Like when we are going
Speaker 3: to record that night, I'm like, okay, let me just
Speaker 3: eat something small. Yeah, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 3: the last thing you want to be is bogged down
Speaker 3: and you're stumbling over your words, or you can't think
Speaker 3: of a word that you would like to say rather
Speaker 3: than another word that doesn't fully express what you're trying
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, dude, it's that's real, right, And
Speaker 1: if you think about it, like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: mean I think a hell of a lot better on
Speaker 1: an empty stomach, like especially like in the morning, like
Speaker 1: up until you eat. You know, your brain, yeah once
Speaker 1: you maybe you got to get a cup of coffee
Speaker 1: and you whatever your morning ritual is, right, But like
Speaker 1: my brain works a thousand times better before I eat
Speaker 1: lunch mm hmm, every single time. And that's why I
Speaker 1: think that like fasting is so important, dude, and why
Speaker 1: I really want to start incorporating that, like at least
Speaker 1: one day a week of fasting, Like I think that
Speaker 1: that is that is like monumental and something that we
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 3: But then we can also say not to not to
Speaker 3: uh And I didn't mean to cut you off, not
Speaker 3: to play Devil's advocate too hard here, but like if
Speaker 3: you're not eating right and you go a full day
Speaker 3: without eating, well, now you go into some sort of
Speaker 3: survival mode, you know what I mean. Your body requires food,
Speaker 3: it thinks it might not get another meal, and so
Speaker 3: maybe there's something going on within your brain that kicks
Speaker 3: into like a an overdrive of some sort in order
Speaker 3: to just and that's probably why you're able to smell
Speaker 3: food from much farther away. You go into this hyper
Speaker 3: survival mode. And so that's why your brain is going
Speaker 3: to be sharper because it has to be because it
Speaker 3: it there. There's no room for error here, and you
Speaker 3: need to eat may to find your next meal.
Speaker 1: That makes the most sense. Yeah, I'm happy he brought
Speaker 1: that up. Yeah, it's interesting about how that works. And
Speaker 1: I think that you know, look, if your body doesn't
Speaker 1: have to work on just constantly breaking down whatever you
Speaker 1: ate for the day, then you are able to tap
Speaker 1: into your your body's natural energy because now it's not
Speaker 1: being expounded upon just breaking down whatever you ate. Now
Speaker 1: you can tap into that energy that isn't you know
Speaker 1: working double time? Yep, that you can just tap into
Speaker 1: that main focus. And I think that that's why every
Speaker 1: every single religious practice and spiritual practice, every single one
Speaker 1: of them. There is not a single spiritual practice that
Speaker 1: doesn't bring up fasting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know why they do that, right, you
Speaker 3: know what the reason is for fasting?
Speaker 1: Oh, to get closer to God, that's right. Yeah. Isn't
Speaker 1: that interesting?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean it makes the most amount of sense. And
Speaker 1: like you hear about certain people do they'll go on
Speaker 1: a forty day fast, you know, forty days. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: even think how can one even exist that way? Whenever,
Speaker 1: Literally in the Bible, they get lost in the desert
Speaker 1: for forty days and all they get to eat during
Speaker 1: that entire time is manna from God, which is it's
Speaker 1: not too much, it's not too little, it's just right.
Speaker 1: It's like fucking porridge. Right, it's not even real food
Speaker 1: that they're consuming. It's like food for thought, is what
Speaker 1: it really is. And seal food. Yeah, honestly, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like ethereal food in that sense. And if you
Speaker 1: think about it, like what was it? Kevin James said
Speaker 1: he went on a forty one and a half day fast,
Speaker 1: which is like and he lost like over one hundred
Speaker 1: pounds in forty one days.
Speaker 3: And of course, if you're doing a forty day fast,
Speaker 3: if you're drinking like salt water, you're drinking you're doing
Speaker 3: it the right way. Imagine just water. That's probably dangerous.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the electrolytes are there to like help you
Speaker 1: with you know, it helps with like mental clarity, and
Speaker 1: it's given your body the bare minimum mineral and nutrient
Speaker 1: that it needs to just survive, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: just living off of that. And honestly, I'm really thinking
Speaker 1: about trying to see what limits I can push. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna go for it? I mean, I got a
Speaker 1: couple LB's and I need to shed anyway.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It might take you a couple of tries, dude, but
Speaker 3: I think you can do it if you really set
Speaker 3: your mind to it.
Speaker 1: Dude, I think you could do it.
Speaker 3: But I really wanted to get back to that whole
Speaker 3: aspect of getting yourself closer to God, right, and people
Speaker 3: believe that, and we've even experienced I mean, we did
Speaker 3: what two and a half days one time just to
Speaker 3: see if we could do it, which felt like it
Speaker 3: did you know? But I would I would say that
Speaker 3: I felt lighter, and not just in a physically lighter
Speaker 3: like maybe I lost weight, I think, I'm I'm sure
Speaker 3: I did, you know, in the two and a half
Speaker 3: days of not eating, but just lighter in a different sense.
Speaker 3: And I also felt like that hyper focus and I
Speaker 3: imagine if I was to have meditated for an hour,
Speaker 3: I definitely of access some sort of genius, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, or higher self or whatever that is. God,
Speaker 3: if you want to call it that, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, And so that there's definitely something to that.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, there's something really magical to fasting
Speaker 1: as well. Not to even stick on that, but like
Speaker 1: as far as fasting goes, your body naturally knows to
Speaker 1: start healing itself whenever you're not eating, which is a
Speaker 1: crazy thing that it just knows to do. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's because it doesn't have to focus on breaking down
Speaker 1: all the foods and you know, distributing all the different
Speaker 1: nutrients to all the different parts of your body and
Speaker 1: your bloodstream and all that shit, right, But if you
Speaker 1: think about it, so for example, this past weekend, I
Speaker 1: was sick as a dog. I got whatever my son had,
Speaker 1: and he was puking and he had the runs, and
Speaker 1: oh man, I don't wish that upon anybody, but I
Speaker 1: woke up in the middle of the night and I
Speaker 1: was going through the whole thing, and and I thought
Speaker 1: it was something that I ate, right, I didn't even
Speaker 1: think that it was because of him for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: But of course, you know, with a baby, you're kissing
Speaker 1: them all the time, you're hugging them all the time,
Speaker 1: like it's impossible to not smooch a baby, you know,
Speaker 1: It's just they got the squishiest little cheeks. You just
Speaker 1: need to get your lips on. Oh yeah. And so
Speaker 1: I went to Louisiana this past weekend and I got super,
Speaker 1: super sick, and I thought it was the food. Well,
Speaker 1: that entire next day, you know, I went to sleep
Speaker 1: that night, that entire next day, I didn't eat it all,
Speaker 1: and amazingly, I started just feeling so much better. I
Speaker 1: wasn't even thinking about food, honestly, like the thought of
Speaker 1: food made me want to throw up again, you know, right,
Speaker 1: And so I went the entire day without eating anything,
Speaker 1: and even today I've only eaten once and so and
Speaker 1: I feel like my body is regenerating.
Speaker 3: You needed that, you know, and I would I would
Speaker 3: even say, dude, that your body is constantly healing itself.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But when we eat like shit and we do what
Speaker 3: we do where it's almost like we're continuously breaking it
Speaker 3: down at the same time, and so you just feel
Speaker 3: like you're in that little rut of kind of feeling
Speaker 3: like shit. But once you do fast, now your body's
Speaker 3: able to heal on such an an even higher level.
Speaker 3: You know that you literally feel it. You feel better, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. So anyway, that's all
Speaker 1: about trying to get closer to God, get closer to
Speaker 1: spirit whatever it is, right, but like is the It
Speaker 1: is the unseeable known thing that almost everybody can agree upon,
Speaker 1: you know, whether you call it synchronicities, whether you call
Speaker 1: it just magical happenings or that thing or whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you feel like you can get in touch
Speaker 1: with that you can't see. We've all experienced it in
Speaker 1: one former fashion, whether you want to call it dreams
Speaker 1: or terror, literally anything however you feel like you get there,
Speaker 1: We've all felt it in one form of fashion. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, why not try and tap into it? And
Speaker 1: so if you're trying to look for the correspondences of spirit,
Speaker 1: the gender is actually neutral or transcendent. Makes sense? Makes sense? Yep?
Speaker 1: The time is it's beyond time, it's eternal, makes sense, right.
Speaker 1: The seasons would be all seasons. The direction would be
Speaker 1: either the center or beyond directions because it's everywhere. What
Speaker 1: else the zodiac would be all signs or none the
Speaker 1: major Okay, the tarot cards. Actually, interestingly enough, it would
Speaker 1: be the entire major arcana, particularly particularly the Full, which
Speaker 1: represents the journey of the soul. Interesting.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's funny because I was going to guess that
Speaker 3: because it seemed like the one that it shouldn't be,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I just went for that.
Speaker 3: But dude, that's really a fucking fascinating Actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you really think about it, everybody's
Speaker 1: the fool. Everybody has a starting point. Not everybody always
Speaker 1: ends up at their at their final destination. You know,
Speaker 1: some people will get their lives cut short for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: you know, but everybody has a start, and so it
Speaker 1: would make sense that it would be the Full because
Speaker 1: it's the start of the journey.
Speaker 3: Yep, it's like that one song, Dude. Everybody plays the
Speaker 3: fool dude. Yes sometimes, oh yes, yes exactly. They know
Speaker 3: they know what was up there.
Speaker 1: So the magical tools would be meditation tools, prayer beads,
Speaker 1: ritual symbols representing the divine.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The food and drink would be symbolic offerings sacred water
Speaker 1: or elixirs and spiritual teas. Makes sense if you really
Speaker 1: think about it. Every time somebody is giving an offering,
Speaker 1: whether you say it's for this deity or that deity.
Speaker 1: What if you're just offering it up to spirit, bro,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's really what's going on.
Speaker 3: I think so that's what towards But that's just me. No,
Speaker 3: I like to see it. Yeah, yeah, I mean color
Speaker 3: however you want.
Speaker 1: M the this. The spirit animal of the spirit would
Speaker 1: be winged creatures such as birds, butterflies, or dragonflies. Interesting,
Speaker 1: very similar to the air in that sense, which it
Speaker 1: would make sense that aaron, ether and spirit would all
Speaker 1: be kind of closely connected. The nature spirits would be angels, archangels,
Speaker 1: ascended masters, and spirit guides. Mm hmmm. Checks out. The
Speaker 1: deities associated with spirit would be God, Goddess, source all
Speaker 1: that is the divine in various forms and cultures.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know. The plants with spiritual with spirit magical
Speaker 1: properties would be sacred plants used for spiritual purposes and
Speaker 1: various traditions such as sacred herbs, flowers, and trees. I
Speaker 1: like it all right, So yeah, that's pretty much what
Speaker 1: we got on that website, which I thought was pretty
Speaker 1: damn interesting. It's a good place to start. So now
Speaker 1: we're gonna get crazy deep. Okay, we are going to
Speaker 1: bridge it all together even deeper. It's just gonna get awesome.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get it first. We're gonna start with
Speaker 1: the elemental map. So for the Greeks, the universe was
Speaker 1: made of four basic elements, the ether was the fifth.
Speaker 1: In India, the same pattern appears. Agne as fire, APAs
Speaker 1: was water, value was air, and prith v was earth,
Speaker 1: and Akasha would be ether. Makes sense, how about right?
Speaker 1: Native traditions around the world carried similar models, from the
Speaker 1: four winds to the Sacred Directions. Modern science shows us
Speaker 1: that matter and energy are more are more complex than
Speaker 1: four categories. But what the ancients were really describing were processes,
Speaker 1: archetypes and forces. Fire as transformation, water as continuity, air
Speaker 1: as breath, and earth as structure, and ether as connection.
Speaker 1: So the elemental map is not a literal chemistry set.
Speaker 1: It's a way of seeing the patterns behind reality, a
Speaker 1: bridge between inner worlds and outer worlds. Dude, that's my jam,
Speaker 1: that's my jam. Yeah. Yeah, we just need a little
Speaker 1: peanut butter to mix with that. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit. So firstly, to tap in a
Speaker 1: little bit more. This is I'm gonna tell you dude,
Speaker 1: this is gonna get so deep. It's awesome. U. Whenever
Speaker 1: I first was doing this research, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, how have we not known this? But I
Speaker 1: feel like that with every episode to be on the show,
Speaker 1: so soh the science would have you looking at it
Speaker 1: like this. Fire is combustion electrons that are falling and
Speaker 1: releasing photons as light and heat. When the flame ends,
Speaker 1: the energy doesn't vanish, heat diffuses, light races outward forever,
Speaker 1: and fire is energy moving form to form. So first
Speaker 1: of all, the flame isn't a thing. It's a process.
Speaker 1: So when you light a match, it seems like a
Speaker 1: flame appears out of nowhere, but what's really happening is
Speaker 1: a chemical reaction. The fuel, whether it be wax or wood,
Speaker 1: combines with oxygen, releasing stored chemical energy as heat and light.
Speaker 1: The flame is not a substance that comes into being,
Speaker 1: it's the visible process of energy transfer. So once the
Speaker 1: fuel is gone, the process ends. So it looks like
Speaker 1: the flame has been destroyed, but the energy has simply changed.
Speaker 3: Form as probably heat going outward. You know that's really cool,
Speaker 3: I said, The light goes on forever, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like throughout the universe. Like if you could
Speaker 3: zoom in on where that where that was, that match
Speaker 3: was lit from two hundred thousand light years away, two
Speaker 3: hundred thousand light years from now, somebody could see the
Speaker 3: light from that match being lit. Yeah, if you believe
Speaker 3: in space, I know that you're like on the fence
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean, we've just been lied to a
Speaker 1: lot about space. It's not that I don't believe in it.
Speaker 1: It's just that they feed us a lot of shit,
Speaker 1: you know. But that being said, yeah, it is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: And something that's actually a little bit more interesting too,
Speaker 1: is that if you were to take your telescope, and
Speaker 1: let's say you could take a telescope that was like
Speaker 1: super super super zoom in right, and you can zoom
Speaker 1: in on I don't know, a planet that is a
Speaker 1: thousand light years away, right. The the image that you'd
Speaker 1: be seeing through your telescope is not of what is
Speaker 1: happening right now. You would be seeing imagery of what happened,
Speaker 1: the distance of however that light took to get to
Speaker 1: your eye.
Speaker 3: You're staring into the past, yes, basically, which is awesome.
Speaker 3: And one thing that I thought about and I never
Speaker 3: hear anybody say it, because maybe it's the stupidest thing
Speaker 3: anybody's ever said. But if you're looking at a planet
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand years ago, the planet that you're seeing
Speaker 3: isn't even right there anymore, is it? Wouldn't it not
Speaker 3: be in a different place in the sky. Yeah, at
Speaker 3: the time that you were actually looking that direction, Dude,
Speaker 3: you're looking into the past exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a fucking time machine.
Speaker 3: Dude, Like transcends time, dude. Which I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: The main reason why I wanted to whenever I first
Speaker 1: started looking into this was because I was trying to
Speaker 1: think because I know that you know, look, we're no
Speaker 1: different than what nature is, right, And I feel like
Speaker 1: there's never a lie in nature. That's something that I
Speaker 1: learned from Croachable seven shout out. But he goes, Look,
Speaker 1: if you're ever trying to find an answer, it's always
Speaker 1: almost every single time found in nature in one facet form.
Speaker 1: And if I can find if we can figure out
Speaker 1: what what are the substances and the materials and the
Speaker 1: realities and the chemical reactions and everything involving what each
Speaker 1: one of these elements are made of, maybe it will
Speaker 1: point toward where are we going after death? Where were
Speaker 1: we before we came here? Right? Because and what I
Speaker 1: mean by we, I mean by the physical body. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can attach the spirit to that as well, because
Speaker 1: we are getting to the ether and the spirit as well.
Speaker 1: But I like to believe that, yes, you have flame,
Speaker 1: and you know earth and fire and water and all
Speaker 1: these things, right, But like each one of them has
Speaker 1: a spirit attached to them, right. So it's not that
Speaker 1: the flame is just a flame that doesn't have any spirit.
Speaker 1: It's that there is also a spirit to the flame.
Speaker 1: And this is something that like within alchemy they know this, right,
Speaker 1: Every single thing has a spirit attached to it. And
Speaker 1: this is like if you look into We've talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about animism before, right, like how every single
Speaker 1: thing that you see has some kind of spirit. Might
Speaker 1: be a lower spirit, might be a higher spirit. It
Speaker 1: is some kind It has some kind of consciousness attached
Speaker 1: to it, yeap. Whether it be lower, higher doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: but there is something there if you can see it,
Speaker 1: it has some form of consciousness. If we are to
Speaker 1: look at the natural elements as if we are made
Speaker 1: up of all of them, which we kind of are.
Speaker 1: If you really think about it, like, that's what we're
Speaker 1: made up of, the elements. There's like every single element
Speaker 1: that is out there, it has we have to be
Speaker 1: made of it. And so if we can get to
Speaker 1: know what each one of the individuals in each one
Speaker 1: of the individual elements are made of and understand its
Speaker 1: processes and understand its true nature, then maybe we can
Speaker 1: start to understand our true nature as a background to it. Right.
Speaker 1: And so whenever you see how the fire goes about,
Speaker 1: how once the fuel about, how once the fuel is
Speaker 1: gone and the process ends, it looks like it has
Speaker 1: been destroyed. But that's not true. It's just that the
Speaker 1: energy has changed form. That was the key words there. Yep,
Speaker 1: the flame, the flame has been dispersed, but the energy
Speaker 1: that was creating that flame in the first place is
Speaker 1: still there. You just can't see it.
Speaker 3: The expression of the flame is is done right.
Speaker 1: Yes, right. So to dive into this a little bit
Speaker 1: more so, the energy transformations in fire. So it has
Speaker 1: a stored energy. So the wood or wax holds the
Speaker 1: chemical potential energy from sunlight captured by plants long ago.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. The release is is that whenever it burns,
Speaker 1: this potential is converted into heat, light, and and new
Speaker 1: chemical compounds such as carbon dioxide, water, vapor, and ash,
Speaker 1: and then the dissipation of it, so the heat radiates
Speaker 1: into the air, the light disperses into space, and gases
Speaker 1: become part of the atmosphere. So nothing disappears. It just
Speaker 1: transforms into less visible states. The flame you see in
Speaker 1: the middle act of this transformation. So, dude, if that
Speaker 1: is not a perfect representation of maybe what even the
Speaker 1: spirit does, yep, I'm pretty interesting. I love it. So
Speaker 1: why it looks okay? So why it looks like it
Speaker 1: was created and destroyed but it never actually was, right,
Speaker 1: So to our eyes, the flame looks like a discrete
Speaker 1: thing that exits or I'm sorry that exists. It flickers
Speaker 1: and then it dies. But it's much more like a
Speaker 1: wave on the ocean. You see a a shape rise up,
Speaker 1: a crest, and a vanish but the water itself never disappeared.
Speaker 1: The flame is a pattern of energy transfer, not a
Speaker 1: permanent object. So whenever you look at it like it is,
Speaker 1: you know, just a wave in that sense, it actually
Speaker 1: brings it a little bit more into context.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the expression of the ocean and the
Speaker 3: ocean is consciousness or spirit.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's not like that wave just like
Speaker 1: dipped out of the ocean whenever, you know, dissipated.
Speaker 3: It's still there. Everything that was the wave is still
Speaker 3: all there exactly.
Speaker 1: So this ties back into the water and soul idea.
Speaker 1: So the flame is like a human life. It appears
Speaker 1: when conditions are right with fuel, oxygen and the spark.
Speaker 1: It dances uniquely while it lasts, and then it goes out,
Speaker 1: but its energy disperses into the environment. So the flame's
Speaker 1: heat becomes part of the air, Its light races off
Speaker 1: into the universe forever. It's ash becomes earth again, in
Speaker 1: the same way consciousness or spirit might not end. It
Speaker 1: just disperses or transforms into other states that we don't
Speaker 1: always perceive. Damn beautiful love it. So yeah, so the
Speaker 1: flame as the spirit. Now, okay, so a flame doesn't
Speaker 1: vanish when it goes out. The light it gave off
Speaker 1: still travels through the cosmos. The heat warms the air,
Speaker 1: and the smoke and ash return to the earth. The
Speaker 1: flame's form disappears, but its essence, the energy it released,
Speaker 1: keeps rippling outward. Likewise, when a person dies, the physical
Speaker 1: body is the fuel that stops burning, but the spirit,
Speaker 1: like the flame, isn't destroyed. It shifts into new states
Speaker 1: that we can't always perceive. The subtle energy fields, the vibrations,
Speaker 1: or what the mystics call the asterisk or the astral
Speaker 1: or the etheric body m checks out to me. So
Speaker 1: just as most water keeps circulating through Earth's oceans and skies,
Speaker 1: most spirits may remain within the cycle of reincarnation. They
Speaker 1: change forms, moving from one body to another, carrying traces
Speaker 1: of memory and essence, like the embers carried on the wind.
Speaker 1: So our flame, our flame personally dims in one place,
Speaker 1: put ignites in another. Nothing truly ever vanishes. It just
Speaker 1: takes new shape and just like some Oh God, this
Speaker 1: is going to get so deep, dude. All right, so
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to read that one yet
Speaker 1: because we're going to go back to that in a second.
Speaker 1: So all right, The flame produces da da da. The
Speaker 1: flame produces light. So when something burns, atoms in the
Speaker 1: fuel are excited by the heat. Electrons jump up to
Speaker 1: higher energy levels then fall back down, releasing energy as
Speaker 1: photons or particles of light. That's what you see as
Speaker 1: the glow of the flame, right, yep. So then let's
Speaker 1: get into this. Light travels at one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: six thousand miles per second.
Speaker 3: That's all per second, all right.
Speaker 1: That is crazy. It's so once a dude, it's it's hommon.
Speaker 1: So once a photon is released, it doesn't hang around
Speaker 1: the flame. It travels outward at the speed of light
Speaker 1: in all directions. So every flicker of a flame is
Speaker 1: constantly sending out photons, racing away into the into the
Speaker 1: surrounding space forever forever.
Speaker 3: It makes no fucking sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll think about that again. That's crazy, dude. Every
Speaker 1: time think about every time you've ever like lit a
Speaker 1: lighter or a match or you had.
Speaker 3: A bonfire still traveling right now, it's still wow because
Speaker 3: of how fast was again.
Speaker 1: One hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's pretty Uh, that's that's the speed of light, literally,
Speaker 1: is what it is exactly. Yeah yeah, So all right,
Speaker 1: so the chemical reactions stop once the flame goes out, right,
Speaker 1: so no more photons are being produced, but all the
Speaker 1: light that was emitted continues traveling outward forever unless it's
Speaker 1: absorbed by matter. So some get some of the light
Speaker 1: will get absorbed by walls or air or even your eyes,
Speaker 1: but much of it streams into the night sky, joining
Speaker 1: the endless ocean of starlight. How about your eyes absorb it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yees, so right. I don't know where does it go.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy that it's a thing that goes somewhere
Speaker 1: in the first place.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, it travels as information now you know.
Speaker 3: It goes into your eye and your brain processes it
Speaker 3: as an image of something you know.
Speaker 1: So this means that every flame, a candle, a campfire,
Speaker 1: even your lighter literally sends, literally sends its light into
Speaker 1: the universe. If you lit a candle in the desert tonight,
Speaker 1: its photons would eventually travel billions of miles, some continuing
Speaker 1: until the end of time.
Speaker 3: Hitting another earth like planet, giving it energy for another
Speaker 3: plant to produce more fruit or whatever. Inevitably. Yeah, dude, dude.
Speaker 1: So the flame's light is like our actions are words
Speaker 1: and spirit radiating outward. It's touching others and continuing long
Speaker 1: after our quote unquote flame has gone out. Just as
Speaker 1: the photons from a single candle may one day reach
Speaker 1: another star system, the spirit's quote unquote light may ripple
Speaker 1: into dimensions are beyond our comprehension. Oh is that all
Speaker 1: the God? I love learning about this stuff. It's so
Speaker 1: much fun. So yes, when a flame goes out the
Speaker 1: photon it already are the photons that it already emitted.
Speaker 1: Don't vanish. They keep traveling through space, carrying the memory
Speaker 1: of the flame outward into the cosmos. The ancient mystics
Speaker 1: must have known this. This must be why they worked
Speaker 1: so well with the elements. So why they worked with
Speaker 1: the elements? All right, So now we're going to start
Speaker 1: to get into a little bit deeper. So why the
Speaker 1: mystics would have worked with the elements. So fire wasn't
Speaker 1: just warmth, It was transformation. It stood for the soul, spark,
Speaker 1: the living light that continues after death. Mystics saw the
Speaker 1: flames dance, it knew and knew that its symbolized spirit
Speaker 1: itself being eternal. Then that makes so much damn sense.
Speaker 1: And water wasn't just to drink. It was the eternal
Speaker 1: cycle of rebirth, renewal, and the soul flowing from one
Speaker 1: form to another without end. All right, but.
Speaker 3: Our okay, so real quick, Our consciousness or our spirit
Speaker 3: is in the realm of the unseen so it doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily if we are being scientific about it, I don't
Speaker 3: think it necessarily puts out any kind of a photon,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And so what are we
Speaker 3: saying as far as the consciousness that is us being eternal?
Speaker 3: You know, because I can understand our physical body having
Speaker 3: kinetic energy basically just stored energy that the bugs and
Speaker 3: everything else the earth will reconsume and process.
Speaker 1: That energy is food.
Speaker 3: And then they will go and make babies, and then
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, that energy will keep going
Speaker 3: and going and forever, you know. But as far as
Speaker 3: the consciousness that is me, if there is a me,
Speaker 3: if everything is all one, this is something I've been
Speaker 3: thinking about today. So it's really fascinating that this comes up.
Speaker 3: But if we are all one, then and then we
Speaker 3: get into the conversation of trying to figure out who
Speaker 3: the true me is, then you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: how what is a true me?
Speaker 1: If I'm If we're all the same thing, you know,
Speaker 1: we're just just different aspects of that same thing. I
Speaker 1: like to I almost like to look at it like this.
Speaker 1: So my computer has I think one gigabyte of solid
Speaker 1: state memory, right, which is just like it's not like uh,
Speaker 1: saving it to the cloud, it's just to the to
Speaker 1: the machine itself. Right, that's your solid state. So it
Speaker 1: has one gigabyte. Let's just say that that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I actually don't even know, but let's just say that
Speaker 3: as one gigabyte.
Speaker 1: And over the course of years, I'm going to download
Speaker 1: and delete so many fucking things. But for a period
Speaker 1: of time, you know, if I save this episode, for example,
Speaker 1: it will be saved on my computer for a short
Speaker 1: period of time until it's uploaded to everywhere it gets
Speaker 1: uploaded to. But for that period of time, it is
Speaker 1: uploaded to the solid state of memory that I have
Speaker 1: on my computer. Therefore, my computer could almost be represented
Speaker 1: as this episode, right, Okay, And after a while, I'm
Speaker 1: going to let it go. Now, whenever I deleted off
Speaker 1: my computer, it is still existing on the internet forever,
Speaker 1: m right, right. It just it just allows my computer
Speaker 1: to almost change form to allow us to do more episodes. Right,
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying in that sense.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing that I was like kind
Speaker 3: of pondering, you know, as far as like consciousness is concerned.
Speaker 3: You know, I would like to think and I think
Speaker 3: everybody would like to think that there is some sort
Speaker 3: of eternal, h eternal miss to this whole thing, Like
Speaker 3: I will keep going and I will eventually be something
Speaker 3: else where I will continue to experience, right, and that
Speaker 3: that would be just the most preferable thing, because us
Speaker 3: as humans, we can't fathom not existing because now we exist,
Speaker 3: you know. And so is it just consciousness itself that continues,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, since we.
Speaker 1: Are all of that.
Speaker 3: You know, that doesn't mean that me personally, that I'm
Speaker 3: actually going to experience that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's just consciousness itself, the thing that underlies everybody, the
Speaker 3: thing that gives us all awareness and the ability to
Speaker 3: even examine it and even talk about it. You know,
Speaker 3: that's the thing that continues. But I might not necessarily
Speaker 3: experience it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, I think you will, though, like shut off everything
Speaker 1: that you are. And this is something that like you
Speaker 1: think about, Like the fuck? What do they call the monks? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: their entire goal of why they literally dedicate their entire
Speaker 1: lives to meditation, is to live life without attachments, because
Speaker 1: the attachments almost pull you away from what you actually
Speaker 1: are right, So there is a center of what you
Speaker 1: actually are, and every single one of your attachments is
Speaker 1: not It's not like pulling you away from what you
Speaker 1: actually are in a bad way. It's just showing you
Speaker 1: another aspect of this reality. But if you didn't have any,
Speaker 1: that's not you. Yeah, But whenever you think about what
Speaker 1: you are, they're simply just things that you like doing
Speaker 1: or there it's things that you have to do. Right.
Speaker 1: So like, uh, if you don't have any if you
Speaker 1: didn't have any attachments, you wouldn't have a wife, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any kids, you wouldn't have a job, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any anything that you'd be really interested in.
Speaker 1: And what you would be left with if you didn't
Speaker 1: have all those things, you would just be left with
Speaker 1: all that is left, which is call it God, call
Speaker 1: it source, call it consciousness. It's that underlying thing that
Speaker 1: you don't need all of those things to survive. You
Speaker 1: can survive without a wife, you can survive without kids,
Speaker 1: you can survive without interests, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You can survive without fucking sixty thousand thoughts in a day.
Speaker 1: You can actually, you as a human body, can survive
Speaker 1: without all of that. So all of those things are
Speaker 1: seen as attachments in that sense. And so but without
Speaker 1: those attachments, you just are the I am right, and
Speaker 1: so you still exist because that's actually what you are
Speaker 1: at your core. You see what I'm saying, right, it's
Speaker 1: just the I mean, I know you know this. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm kind of just working through it in my
Speaker 1: own mind. No, sure, sure, And so that's kind of
Speaker 1: because I think about the shit all the time, dude,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to, like, you know, really break it
Speaker 1: down in my own sense.
Speaker 3: And no, for sure, I was just thinking about it
Speaker 3: like recently, and you know, I don't remember thinking about
Speaker 3: my own mortality since like the beginning stages of COVID,
Speaker 3: you know, like that's the first time I feel like
Speaker 3: I've really started to contemplate the the finiteness of myself,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna be here forever, Like I'm not
Speaker 3: going to get to experience all of these things forever.
Speaker 3: There's going to be a time where I will have
Speaker 3: to just become I don't know, I guess, unaware of everything,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think that that's the most scary
Speaker 3: part of even thinking about that is because it's I
Speaker 3: feel like that would be scary to feel like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be aware of anything anymore, Like
Speaker 3: I'm just not going to exist anymore. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just maybe think about that a little bit lately.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not so much that you're you're not going
Speaker 1: to be aware of anything anymore. Maybe it's that you're
Speaker 1: going to be so aware that your identification and understanding
Speaker 1: of awareness as it is is so minute compared to
Speaker 1: the all encompassing that is awareness.
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I'm saying, Well, that's why prefast, preface, prefast,
Speaker 3: what's the word I'm looking for, prefast, prefast that with
Speaker 3: being a human the way that I think about existing
Speaker 3: now as opposed to what is to come later, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, what will we experience? And if
Speaker 3: I am purely just the I am, then I am
Speaker 3: at that point consciousness itself.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And so at that point
Speaker 1: it wasn't hard to fathom. I would imagine that a
Speaker 1: monk goes through the death process with a lot of ease.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure you know what I'm saying, like willingly,
Speaker 3: like here we go, you know, just talking, zooms zooms
Speaker 3: off you know whatever.
Speaker 1: That's like, dude, is another fucking Tuesday, I would think
Speaker 1: from you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not really
Speaker 1: it's another day of being aware of everything, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know it's funny because we we go into
Speaker 3: so much much of this stuff, you know, as far
Speaker 3: as like the near death experiences, and I've was pretty
Speaker 3: sure I got myself to the point of like I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not afraid of death, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But I think no matter what or when that time comes, dude,
Speaker 3: we're all going to be like a little bit fucking
Speaker 3: scared of our minds, out of our minds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know. It takes just
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about recently.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like it's something that everybody, well obviously
Speaker 3: everybody experiences, you know.
Speaker 1: I think we're always worried about like what if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like we can sit
Speaker 1: here and like be so sure that, yeah, there's nothing
Speaker 1: to worry about with death. And you know, we have
Speaker 1: numerous examples as to why we shouldn't be worried about death,
Speaker 1: whether it is our own experiences or hearing about other
Speaker 1: people's experiences or looking into the science or looking into
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, Right, there's always that part
Speaker 1: of you that's like, man, what if I just don't
Speaker 1: know enough to be that comfortable with absolutely thinking that
Speaker 1: I know it all?
Speaker 3: And I would say that that's the way we should
Speaker 3: be thinking, because there's no way we can even fathom.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, when we talk about the people
Speaker 3: that have the near death experiences, those are people that
Speaker 3: go to a place and come back. We never hear
Speaker 3: from the people that they'll make it back, you know,
Speaker 3: so like that's the actual they made it to the
Speaker 3: quote unquote finish line, you know, and so who knows
Speaker 3: what they experienced well and just never get to tell
Speaker 3: the story.
Speaker 1: And just like this was saying, you know, specifically about
Speaker 1: the fire itself, is that you know, that will keep
Speaker 1: going unless it is absorbed by matter. And what are
Speaker 1: we if not light that has been absorbed by matter
Speaker 1: if you really think about it. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 3: I just it's deep, you know, some deep shit, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I think if nothing else, I know, consciousness connects us.
Speaker 3: But that's another thing, is the the inevitable death. And
Speaker 3: it's the most natural one of the most natural things,
Speaker 3: being born and dying and we all get to experience that.
Speaker 1: And how everybody isn't fucking losing their shit about.
Speaker 3: That, and it's just crazy and they're buying it.
Speaker 1: They're not buying it. They're just pretending, Like I don't
Speaker 1: just pretend like they know what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and say I know, because
Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything we can even imagine, you know,
Speaker 3: as far as we know, dude, it's just like all
Speaker 3: the years before we were born, because we don't know
Speaker 3: anything about that, Like we didn't experience that either, because
Speaker 3: there was nothing for us to experience.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I mean, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm crazy. I mean, you're definitely crazy. But I
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing, you know, all right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're on the same page. Oh, we definitely are. Like,
Speaker 1: and don't let me like act like I know it all,
Speaker 1: because I really don't. It's just that I obsess about this,
Speaker 1: like it is. Literally all I think about is our
Speaker 1: own mortality, what it means to be alive. Where the
Speaker 1: fuck did we come from? Where are we going? What
Speaker 1: are the things that we can do in this lifetime
Speaker 1: to make it more awesome, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And if we can find out what we're able to do,
Speaker 1: maybe would maybe we would be a lot less worried
Speaker 1: about life after death because we would know that we
Speaker 1: can transcend this physical reality through all these different kind
Speaker 1: of magical things. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also you know, I think that we owe it
Speaker 3: to ourselves to not be sitting here in fear of
Speaker 3: that inevitable event, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, ultimately, fear is just a vibration anyway, and it's
Speaker 1: if you think about it, and you know, all the
Speaker 1: different emotions are all just on the same pole. And
Speaker 1: so you can strike that cord of fear and it's
Speaker 1: still connected to the fear of happypiness and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: genuine and whatever, right like all the good ones. It's
Speaker 1: all attached to the same chord. It's just a lower
Speaker 1: fucking striking of the same of that chord. But you
Speaker 1: can strike that thing a little bit higher and you're
Speaker 1: going to feel a lot better. It's just different ways
Speaker 1: of being able to look at it. So whether you
Speaker 1: whenever you die and you're in that fearful state, you
Speaker 1: can you can you can choose to experience that you know,
Speaker 1: but you can also choose to experience it in a
Speaker 1: like awesome way. And I think that that is just.
Speaker 3: The beauty of polarity in general, you know, oh exactly,
Speaker 3: And I think that's the whole point of us being
Speaker 3: here anyways, you know what I mean for nothing else.
Speaker 3: That's that's what this world is, you know, it's the experienity,
Speaker 3: and so it's the experience it's and so why waste
Speaker 3: your time or or put yourself in that lower vibration
Speaker 3: when that's not the point man, you know. But that's
Speaker 3: why I think it's important we look into all of
Speaker 3: these things and cover all of the different ways of
Speaker 3: thinking of you know, different lenses to look through, because
Speaker 3: ultimately that's what you got. You cut your lens that
Speaker 3: you look through, and you shape everything around how you're
Speaker 3: looking at everything.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's it, dude. Yeah, it's the beauty
Speaker 1: of it. And it's so mysterious, yeap, which is why
Speaker 1: they call it the mysteries, you know, that's it, but
Speaker 1: sometimes you need the mystics to understand the mysteries. That's it.
Speaker 1: We're trying, man, we're trying. We're working our way there,
Speaker 1: so we talked about fire and water. Now as far
Speaker 1: as air, you know why they would have worked with
Speaker 1: the elements. Air represented the breath of life, the invisible
Speaker 1: but essential current that links all beings inhaling and exceling,
Speaker 1: mirrored the cosmic pulse. Oh interesting, And then Earth was stability,
Speaker 1: the vessel, the body that holds the spirit. It also
Speaker 1: returns everything to itself. Whenever I said and that what
Speaker 1: was a couple of episodes ago that whenever you die,
Speaker 1: you just go back to your cellf you know, like
Speaker 1: you go back to you Yeah. Yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: think that whenever you know, you worry about like, well
Speaker 1: what about me? Where am I going? And you know, like,
Speaker 1: am I just going to go back and be absorbed
Speaker 1: by the universal consciousness? Yes, but it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: like a distant stranger like it is you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's right, and the means in which you have to
Speaker 3: experience it are way unlike what you have.
Speaker 1: To experience this. And so the whole idea of what
Speaker 1: it could be, or your your your.
Speaker 3: Five senses, all of that is multiplied by a billion,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure. And so any fears or any
Speaker 3: you know of the mystery or just the unknown of
Speaker 3: it all. It probably doesn't even exist, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah at that point the yeah, So returning it
Speaker 1: also returns everything to itself. Talking about the Earth, it
Speaker 1: reminds us of cycles and grounding the earth does.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Elemental magic as a hidden science. So mystics, alchemists, and
Speaker 1: shamans worked with the elements because they recognized them as
Speaker 1: more than physical substances. They were archetypes of consciousness, mirrors
Speaker 1: of the soul's journey. So fires showed them that energy
Speaker 1: never dies. Water showed them the continuity of form through change,
Speaker 1: Air showed them the invisible currents of spirits, and earth
Speaker 1: showed them the eternal vessel of manifestation. Dude, it meaning
Speaker 1: you're always going to have some kind of form, right right,
Speaker 1: So when they invoked the elements in ritual or magic,
Speaker 1: they always they were aligning their own consciousnesses with these
Speaker 1: eternal truths. So even if they didn't describe photons or molecules,
Speaker 1: they felt that fire's light traveled into the unseen, that
Speaker 1: water returned in new forms, that breath connected them to
Speaker 1: the cosmos. The elements were doorways. They weren't just tools
Speaker 1: for survival they were sacred teachers. So the ancient mystics
Speaker 1: worked so well with the elements because they understood that
Speaker 1: the elements were living metaphors for spirit, energy and the
Speaker 1: eternal cycle of consciousness. Fucking Mike, drop on that one.
Speaker 3: Awesome, dude, that's the show. Yeah, we're done, that's it. No,
Speaker 3: they're still a little bit more actually, Okay. So within mysticism,
Speaker 3: fire has always been transformation. The ancient saw that nothing
Speaker 3: fed to the flame is truly destroyed. It is changed,
Speaker 3: carried into new forms. That's why fire was sacred, why
Speaker 3: it was the symbol of will, sacrifice, and purification. Within magic,
Speaker 3: a candle flame is more than ambience or ambiance, should
Speaker 3: I say, it's a tool. You can whisper fears into
Speaker 3: it and see them transmuted into light. You can also
Speaker 3: focus will in You can focus will into it and
Speaker 3: know that it will ripple into the unseen. Fire shows
Speaker 3: us magic in real time. Mmm.
Speaker 1: I believe it, dude, I've experienced it. Yeah, that can imagine.
Speaker 1: It really sets it up, dude. So as far as
Speaker 1: water goes, now, we're going to get into the craziness
Speaker 1: of water, all right, dude, I'm not gonna lie This
Speaker 1: is really where it started, because I was really trying
Speaker 1: to understand, you know, just the whole symbolism of water
Speaker 1: in general, as I was talking about with the Holy
Speaker 1: Water and the baptism and you know, we come from water,
Speaker 1: and you know, like I wanted to understand a little
Speaker 1: bit more. So, dude, this is about a trip you
Speaker 1: the fuck out. So the water cycle keeps Earth's water recycling.
Speaker 1: So for billions of years, Earth has been cycling water
Speaker 1: through oceans, atmospheres, rivers, glaciers, and underground reservoirs. Most of
Speaker 1: this water is the same water that has always been here.
Speaker 1: The glass of water that you drink today may contain
Speaker 1: molecules once swallowed by a dinosaur, makes sense, right, But
Speaker 1: the total amount has changed over time. So while the
Speaker 1: water cycle itself recycles what's already here, the total amount
Speaker 1: of water on Earth has not been fixed perfectly since
Speaker 1: the formation of Earth. So this is where it gets
Speaker 1: kind of strange. So some of the water has been
Speaker 1: lost to space. So some water, especially in the early Earth,
Speaker 1: was broken apart by solar radiation. The hydrogen atoms, being
Speaker 1: very light, escaped into space, and Mars likely lost most
Speaker 1: of its water this way. And Earth has lost some
Speaker 1: but not all so and then conversely water gained. There
Speaker 1: has been some water that has been gained from space,
Speaker 1: so comets, asteroids, and icy body's delivered additional water, especially
Speaker 1: during the late heavy bombardment period about four billion years ago.
Speaker 1: This likely contributed a significant portion of Earth's current oceans.
Speaker 1: Interesting from four billion years ago, dude, and it's been
Speaker 1: recycled ever since. Yeah, I've heard that, actually that.
Speaker 3: That water like you can drink some water and then
Speaker 3: eventually someone down the line will be drinking that same water.
Speaker 1: It's a trip. Yeah, I mean you probably have the
Speaker 1: same glass of water as a blinking you know, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I mean at least by somebody in his family.
Speaker 3: At least a few molecules anyway.
Speaker 1: So the net balance all right. So today Earth still
Speaker 1: loses a bit of hydrogen and water to space every year,
Speaker 1: but compared to the vast volume of Earth's oceans, it's
Speaker 1: almost a negligible amount. Similarly, impacts from water rich asteroids
Speaker 1: or comets are now extremely rare, so we're not gaining
Speaker 1: much new water either. So the total amount of water
Speaker 1: has fluctuated across deep time. We've gained some from space
Speaker 1: and lost some to space, but for the last few
Speaker 1: billion years it's been relatively stable, all right, so good
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, yeah, And I'm going somewhere with this,
Speaker 1: all right. So there's also a hidden reservoir water stored
Speaker 1: in minerals deep within Earth's mantle. Some scientists believe that
Speaker 1: there could be as much or more water locked away
Speaker 1: inside the Earth as in all the surface oceans combined.
Speaker 1: Underneath the ground. This is where you get like water
Speaker 1: witching and you know, with that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 1: this water can cycle up through volcanic activity and subduction.
Speaker 1: So it adds another layer of mystery to the total
Speaker 1: water question. Water shifts phases endlessly, whether it be liquid, vapor,
Speaker 1: or ice, but it remains h two ozer. It cycles
Speaker 1: through oceans, clouds, rivers, and bodies. It never dies, only transforms.
Speaker 1: Its hydrogen bonds make it the most mystical molecule in science.
Speaker 1: So if you think about water, it's the most mystical
Speaker 1: of all of the elements. It never really dies, It
Speaker 1: only transforms. Ice becomes liquid, liquid becomes vapor, vapor becomes
Speaker 1: the cloud, the cloud becomes rain. Yet it's always still water.
Speaker 1: The essence never disappears, just the form of it. So
Speaker 1: now put that side by side with the soul or
Speaker 1: the spirit. Our physical bodies are just like one state
Speaker 1: of being. But when they melt, in quotes death, the essence,
Speaker 1: the consciousness, the spirit doesn't vanish, it transitions into another form.
Speaker 1: Just like vapor is invisible but still water. The spirit
Speaker 1: might continue beyond the physical, unseen yet present. Mystics, alchemists,
Speaker 1: and even dow as philosophers often used water as a
Speaker 1: metaphor for the soul. So the Dow calls water the
Speaker 1: perfect image of the dow because it is adaptable, flowing
Speaker 1: yet eternal. Alchemy treated water as the prima materia, the
Speaker 1: fundamental essence that transforms but never ceases. And even in Christianity,
Speaker 1: baptism symbolizes transformation through water, death of the old self,
Speaker 1: of the old self, rebirth into spirit. So your intuition
Speaker 1: maps onto a deep symbolic truth. Water's cycle mirrors the
Speaker 1: soul's journey. The human quote unquote, form is like ice, solid, temporary, fragile.
Speaker 1: Death is the melting Spirit is the vapor that rises
Speaker 1: into the new realms, and eventually it condenses again, perhaps reincarnation,
Speaker 1: perhaps manifestation into another world. In this way, water is
Speaker 1: almost the panpsychist proof of immortality. By the way, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a whole episode on panpsychism. It was something
Speaker 1: that we've been planning for a little while. Panpsychism is
Speaker 1: the idea of So we talk about pantheism, right that
Speaker 1: like that we are all essentially just one giant being.
Speaker 1: Panpsychism takes it a step farther and says that actually
Speaker 1: we're all just one mind, that there's nothing even beyond that.
Speaker 1: All is yes, which actually makes a little bit more sense. So,
Speaker 1: in this way, water is almost the pan psychist proof
Speaker 1: of immortality. If nature itself preserves essence through endless transformation,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't consciousness, the deepest essence of all, follow the
Speaker 1: same long So all right, so when the Earth all right?
Speaker 1: So then I was like, all right, this all makes sense,
Speaker 1: except for what about that water that escapes Earth? I
Speaker 1: want to know the symbolism of that, just to get
Speaker 1: real weird, right, all right, So when Earth loses water
Speaker 1: into space, it's water that never comes back into the
Speaker 1: cycle of the ocean, the clouds, or the rain. It
Speaker 1: drifts into the void, perhaps forever. In human terms, this
Speaker 1: could be compared to a spirit that doesn't return to
Speaker 1: the earthly cycles of reincarnation. Instead of condensing back into
Speaker 1: matter like rebirth, it journeys outward into the greater cosmos.
Speaker 1: Some traditions might call this ascension the soul no longer
Speaker 1: tied to the wheel of life and death, or in Buddhism,
Speaker 1: samsara right, escaping the cycle of Samsara. Also in Buddhism
Speaker 1: it's also known as nirvana. So nirvana is just escaping
Speaker 1: the cycle of samsorrow and now you're just existing blissfully right.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Kurt Cobaine, but rp to a real one.
Speaker 1: So in her Meticism, it's returning to the stars. In Christianity,
Speaker 1: it's the soul leaving this world to dwell in heaven.
Speaker 1: The water molecule drifting into space could be a metaphor
Speaker 1: for the spirit achieving liberation beyond the cycle. Whh I
Speaker 1: knew that there had to be something to that, you know,
Speaker 1: because I was like, if nature teaches us everything, then
Speaker 1: what is that trying to teach us? Yep, exactly exactly, So,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, liberation beyond the cycle that would be you
Speaker 1: know the story of the water that escapes Earth in
Speaker 1: that sense, and it would make sense that most of
Speaker 1: the water stays or is it least, you know, reincarnated
Speaker 1: in another form like right, because I feel like, honestly, dude,
Speaker 1: I feel like the only way to escape the cycle
Speaker 1: is to become aware of the cycle at first, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And if you don't know that
Speaker 1: there's a fucking cycle to all this, then you might
Speaker 1: just be like kind of you know, talk back into
Speaker 1: coming back again, right exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, it reminds me of what Danny Gohler was saying,
Speaker 3: and I think you mentioned it too. I think you
Speaker 3: were saying that Croachable seven said that that nature doesn't lie.
Speaker 3: But Danny gold Or says that nature keeps no secrets,
Speaker 3: you know. And so if that's the case, and you
Speaker 3: figure out what nature is doing, then you can maybe
Speaker 3: understand that on a deeper level as far as what
Speaker 3: consciousness of the spirit.
Speaker 1: Where we go after this?
Speaker 3: I think so if we are part of that, then
Speaker 3: why would we not follow suit?
Speaker 1: It's not even if we are part of that, like
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: We definitely are what I'm saying. If that is, I mean,
Speaker 3: that is so, and so then why wouldn't the nature
Speaker 3: of us follow.
Speaker 1: That why wouldn't we follow suit? Yeah right, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: that's what I was trying to get at with all this.
Speaker 1: So so anyhow, moving on, Okay, So the lost hydrogen,
Speaker 1: so the water that escapes into space would be equivalent
Speaker 1: to the spirit's essence becoming one with the source. So
Speaker 1: when sunlight breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen and hydrogen escape,
Speaker 1: it's like the most subtle essence slipping away into the
Speaker 1: cosmic field. That hydrogen might fuse into a in a
Speaker 1: distant star billions of years later, becoming part of new light,
Speaker 1: that spirit merging back into source, no longer individuated, but
Speaker 1: fully dissolved into the great fire of existence. M that's
Speaker 1: that eternal bliss. Yeah you know, yeah, nirvana. So the
Speaker 1: water remaining would be the spirit reincarnating. So meanwhile, most
Speaker 1: water stays here endlessly cycling. That's like most souls returning
Speaker 1: to Earth again and again in different forms. This spirit,
Speaker 1: the spirit remains, but it's shape changes a wave now,
Speaker 1: a rain drop next, a cloud later, always the same essence,
Speaker 1: always moving through transformations. And I don't want to even
Speaker 1: say that, Like, I mean, obviously we're here, so like
Speaker 1: we didn't figure it out last time. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say that because maybe we made the decision to
Speaker 1: just come back even though we had the opportunity, right,
Speaker 1: because let's just be honest, like we look at life
Speaker 1: as if it is such a drag, and oh, why
Speaker 1: do I got to keep on fucking doing it? You know?
Speaker 1: But also I would imagine that from that perspective of
Speaker 1: having the opportunity to come back or to move on,
Speaker 1: you probably like look back at reality and say, you
Speaker 1: know what it was. Probably I don't think it was
Speaker 1: as bad as we thought it was, you know, And
Speaker 1: so maybe you want to just hop back on that
Speaker 1: fucking bike and see if you can figure it out
Speaker 1: a little bit more the next time, because it's just
Speaker 1: one giant mystery and nobody can just say there it is,
Speaker 1: figured it out, crack the code. Nobody like I'm the
Speaker 1: only one that's ever done it, Like, right, it's always
Speaker 1: going to be mysterious, And I think that's that way
Speaker 1: on purpose, and so like I'm okay with it. If
Speaker 1: it wasn't mysterious, maybe we wouldn't keep on coming.
Speaker 3: Back, right, Well, I think, and this is just kind
Speaker 3: of what I'm thinking about right on the spot, as
Speaker 3: far as you know, coming back in a different form.
Speaker 3: If consciousness is this thing that we all experience, we
Speaker 3: all have, it's within us and probably without you know,
Speaker 3: outside of us. But if we come back in a
Speaker 3: different form, that means obviously we don't come back as ourself,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. We're consciousness is the thing
Speaker 3: that observes, right, and so that's something that I have
Speaker 3: and I'm observing I have that consciousness, but I'm right
Speaker 3: now in the expression or the the body of Shawn, right,
Speaker 3: And so us coming back doesn't necessarily mean the essence
Speaker 3: that was Shan, but the consciousness that observes through him,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And so that is the reincarnation,
Speaker 3: the ability, not the ability, but the happening of consciousness
Speaker 3: being somewhat eternal in that sense, because it's just always been.
Speaker 1: Well and people, I believe that people been trying to
Speaker 1: explain this through parables all across time, through parables, through symbols, whatever, right,
Speaker 1: and just trying to explain it in a way that
Speaker 1: is almost unexplainable. And that's why it has to be
Speaker 1: expressed through symbols, and why it has to be expressed
Speaker 1: through parables and Honestly, this is what I've been coming
Speaker 1: around to think lately, dude, Like so and even just Jesus.
Speaker 1: I look a lot into Jesus and the Bible and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, mainly because I work with Jacob and
Speaker 1: we talk about it just every single episode, and so
Speaker 1: it causes the wills to turn right. And so if
Speaker 1: we are to believe that the way that we look
Speaker 1: at Jesus, like in the gnostic kind of sense, right
Speaker 1: then in every single time he spoke, he always spoke
Speaker 1: in parable. He never meant anything literal. It was always
Speaker 1: there's fucking levels to everything that he said. Right then
Speaker 1: I would have to imagine what would be the parable
Speaker 1: for saying he always references God as the Father and
Speaker 1: that he is the Son. Right, wouldn't that kind of
Speaker 1: be like the Father being your higher self and the
Speaker 1: Son being your human understanding, right, your.
Speaker 3: Human body versus your human or your consciousness.
Speaker 1: So whenever you through you so yeah, whenever you you know,
Speaker 1: whenever you die and you go back to the Father,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you're going back to the one consciousness.
Speaker 1: You're going back to the one source. It's the one
Speaker 1: thing that it's it's not distant from you. It's always
Speaker 1: connected to you. It is you. It's just that you have,
Speaker 1: you know, further emanations of yourself as if it is
Speaker 1: you know, uh, what have we talked about Platonism? M hm? Right?
Speaker 1: Like almost look at like your highest self would be
Speaker 1: the source and everything else is just further emanations of
Speaker 1: the light in more denser, more physical terms. So the
Speaker 1: more denser physical version of you would be the Son
Speaker 1: would be Jesus, right, and the and the the uh,
Speaker 1: the source light emanation where everything comes from would be
Speaker 1: God or the Father. Right, So if every single if
Speaker 1: if consciousness precedes all that is physical, then wouldn't that
Speaker 1: be the Father or God?
Speaker 3: No, that's great, and you know it's funny, well not funny,
Speaker 3: but what's interesting about what you just said as far
Speaker 3: as because I think you know Jesus was was one
Speaker 3: hundred percent man and one hundred percent God, right, So
Speaker 3: is he not one hundred percent human being and one
Speaker 3: hundred percent consciousness or or whatever that is?
Speaker 1: And you can do all these things and more? Holy fuck, dude,
Speaker 1: I love it. That's it. That's great. I think we
Speaker 1: figured something out, dude, I think so. I mean, so
Speaker 1: do we just become best friends. Yep, yep, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that there's something to that, just looking at
Speaker 1: trying to understand the deeper message of everything. You know,
Speaker 1: if everything is.
Speaker 3: Par violated with that, you know, that's pretty fucking solid.
Speaker 3: I've never looked at it like that, but it just
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Right, I think. So, So all right, let's get into
Speaker 1: this a little bit farther because we still got a
Speaker 1: good bit to get to. So if water escaping Earth
Speaker 1: is like the soul leaving the cycle, it suggests two
Speaker 1: truths coexisting. Number one would be most of the essence
Speaker 1: remains in the cycle, reincarnating, learning, and experiencing. And number two,
Speaker 1: some of the essence moves beyond, dissolving into the greater cosmos,
Speaker 1: never to return in the same way that paints a
Speaker 1: beautiful cosmology. So not all spirits are bound to rebirth.
Speaker 1: Some eventually escapes escape Earth's quote unquote gravity of incarnation
Speaker 1: and return to the stars like the water drifting into
Speaker 1: the universe. So, if you're gonna look at it in
Speaker 1: a mystic kind of way, water is rebirth, immortality, and
Speaker 1: the soul's flow, baptism, Holy River's sacred wells. They all
Speaker 1: carried the truth that water is eternal. The ancients watched rainfall, rivers, flood,
Speaker 1: and ice melt and saw it in the mirror of
Speaker 1: the spirit's journey. So a bowl of water becomes a
Speaker 1: mirror for scrying. Flowing water carries away what you release.
Speaker 1: Drinking blessed water imbibes intention. Water teaches us to flow,
Speaker 1: to cleanse, and to remember. Oh wow, a lot that
Speaker 1: you can learn from the elements. Heavy. That's heavy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. All right, Now we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: We're gonna touch on a couple more here. Uh So,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna touch on air just a little bit,
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna go like super deep into the
Speaker 1: rest of them, because I you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: we've been going on. This is one of the longer
Speaker 1: episodes I think we've done in a while. But I
Speaker 1: love it. You know, it needs time. So if we
Speaker 1: look at air, So the science of the air is
Speaker 1: that the air is in the atmosphere, its gases in motion.
Speaker 1: It's shaped by pressure gradients. It carries sound as a vibration.
Speaker 1: It sustains life through breath, and without it, fire and
Speaker 1: water can't move as they do. Right In mysticism, air
Speaker 1: is the spirit, the breath and inspiration. So every culture
Speaker 1: connected breath with life force, the prana, the ruak. Words
Speaker 1: spoken into air becomes spells, prayers, curses, and blessings. So
Speaker 1: to work with air is to sing, to chant and
Speaker 1: to speak, to whistle to the wind, to burn incense,
Speaker 1: to let words carry intention into the unseen. Air reminds
Speaker 1: us that the invisible is powerful. Yeah, buddy, nextly we
Speaker 1: have the Earth. Just to go back over it again.
Speaker 1: The science of the Earth would be Earth is a mineral,
Speaker 1: It's crystal, its lattice, quartz. Crystal vibrates when pressured. The
Speaker 1: earth hums with electromagnetic resonances, and soil recycles life into
Speaker 1: new life. So in mysticism, Earth is form foundation and
Speaker 1: the mother that holds us. Stones were altars, Mountains were gods.
Speaker 1: Caves were wounds of rebirth, and the ancient saw that
Speaker 1: the ground itself is alive if you're looking at it
Speaker 1: through that view, which you can. The magic view is
Speaker 1: is that you take the salt which comes from earth.
Speaker 1: Salt is used for protection, stones are used for memory sigil.
Speaker 1: The sigils are buried in soil to grow your intention.
Speaker 1: Earth anchors. Earth anchors the spirit into matter. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a deep one. That's a deep because a man, that's
Speaker 1: a deep best cut. So to touch earth is to
Speaker 1: remember our bodies home. Mm hmmm, our bodies home, the
Speaker 1: human body, the physical body.
Speaker 3: That's why it feels so good to ground. Yeah, it's essential.
Speaker 3: And even say they even say to like if you're
Speaker 3: too if you put your bed to where your head
Speaker 3: is facing north, like you're supposed to sleep better. And
Speaker 3: there's all kinds of benefits to it because you're now
Speaker 3: like aligned with the I'm not sure if it's the
Speaker 3: electromagnetics or what it is, you know, the pole basically, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you are part of that system and so if
Speaker 3: you align with it, then now you're in that natural
Speaker 3: flow you know, of what the Earth is already doing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, well, I mean you think about it.
Speaker 1: All compasses, they all point to the north like that,
Speaker 1: Like it's all based on like the North Pole. You're
Speaker 1: always trying to find where true north is. The magnet
Speaker 1: always wants to go to the north right, and so
Speaker 1: if we are electromagnet beings, it would only make more
Speaker 1: sense if we lay in the direction of the north,
Speaker 1: because if you lay in the south. Now you have
Speaker 1: two different energies that are pulling from two different directions,
Speaker 1: you know, And it seems so so simple because you're like,
Speaker 1: what difference does it make if my head is at
Speaker 1: one side of the bed, which is six feet the
Speaker 1: other way compared to six feet closer. But it makes
Speaker 1: a difference.
Speaker 3: I would say, it's as it's opposed to where your
Speaker 3: feet are, you know what I mean, if you're trying
Speaker 3: to line your body up with that. And so they
Speaker 3: even say, and I don't know if this is true,
Speaker 3: but like whenever, you know, when you're when you're when
Speaker 3: your kid was just a baby, and you would try
Speaker 3: to turn the baby to where it was like in
Speaker 3: the bed, like the right way. The baby would like
Speaker 3: turn and be sideways because that way was probably north,
Speaker 3: and they just like, no, you know, it's just like natural.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true. You know, obviously I
Speaker 3: can't experiment with that. My kids are a little more
Speaker 3: grown now, but I don't know. Maybe someone out there
Speaker 3: can can look into that for us.
Speaker 1: I'm mna have to check that little ones. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. So nextly we have the ether
Speaker 1: or the spirit. So the science of the ether is
Speaker 1: that ether was the ancients. Uh, Ether as the ancients
Speaker 1: imagined doesn't exist according to science, of course it doesn't,
Speaker 1: but modern physics gives us quantum fields, space times, and
Speaker 1: dark energy, which are unseen mediums that permeate everything. Something
Speaker 1: invisible does bind the cosmos according to science. Right, they
Speaker 1: just don't like calling it ether. But they're all looking
Speaker 1: for whatever that is, though it seems to be. It
Speaker 1: seems to be that they are all looking for the
Speaker 1: one thing that is unseen. We all know it's there
Speaker 1: at least at some level. Dude, dark figure that out.
Speaker 1: The dark energy is ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 1: all that is.
Speaker 3: Right, and so who's to say what's not possible when
Speaker 3: it comes to when we leave this physical body?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's why I go back and forth because he even
Speaker 3: science is coming up with shit that shouldn't be happening,
Speaker 3: but it's happening.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It doesn't need to make sense in our mind for
Speaker 3: it to be the reality of the situation, you know,
Speaker 3: And if you.
Speaker 1: Think about it, like if we can only see what
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 3: Like point oh one, I've heard someone say point zero
Speaker 3: zero three.
Speaker 1: I don't know something so small number of the color spectrum,
Speaker 1: of the light spectrum rather right, Yeah, if that's all
Speaker 1: we can see, Imagine, dude, if we could see one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of it, I one hundred percent guarantee that
Speaker 1: nobody would be scared of death. No, if you could
Speaker 1: literally see your divine spark or your divine flame or
Speaker 1: whatever it is that leaves our body, that goes out
Speaker 1: into the ether itself, and you could see that that
Speaker 1: spark or that flame or whatever the fuck that is
Speaker 1: that joins into the rest of all that is, and
Speaker 1: then even imagine, I mean, you would then even be
Speaker 1: able to see the fucking cycle of if or when
Speaker 1: that spark decides to come back again. Right yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I mean that would be all you need to know.
Speaker 3: You know, well, what I'm saying is once everybody get
Speaker 3: wants science and people that are into spirituality and you
Speaker 3: name it, once everybody comes to this understanding, there's going
Speaker 3: to be you know, they talk about these other planets
Speaker 3: and star systems where there's possibly you know, uh, beings
Speaker 3: that are enlightened and they're just like so far advanced,
Speaker 3: you know, if there are aliens coming here or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like they figured that shit out, dude. They can
Speaker 3: see the full spectrum.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. And dude, this is why, like I don't
Speaker 1: even trip about like if there are aliens or if
Speaker 1: they're not, Like I believe that there's aliens, you know,
Speaker 1: whether they be interdimensional or coming from another planet or whatever,
Speaker 1: maybe both, maybe neither, who knows, But like, whatever that is,
Speaker 1: it is still consciousness, which means it is still us.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's why you know, whenever somebody's if they
Speaker 3: are channeling, you know, that's happening through your consciousness. And
Speaker 3: people that can remote view and travel to some far
Speaker 3: distance to see a family member that's in the hospital
Speaker 3: or something like that, they're doing it with their mind
Speaker 3: because it's that's what's possible with all of this, you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a crazy world we live in, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's it's way more interesting than we
Speaker 3: even have come to understand.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that like just being a human, you know,
Speaker 1: and especially like a modern human. You know, you're so
Speaker 1: used to the air conditioning, you're so used to eating
Speaker 1: whatever you want, You're so used to you know, just
Speaker 1: like sitting in front of a fucking TV with a
Speaker 1: bag of popcorn you know or whatever, right, like and
Speaker 1: like like we have the the physical human you know
Speaker 1: needs in quotes, like all of those things are essentially
Speaker 1: like to be a human. It kind of is the
Speaker 1: same thing of like we're putting up our own veil
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, Like, yeah, like every
Speaker 1: single thing that it that it means to be a human,
Speaker 1: especially in modern day we the modern day modalities of
Speaker 1: what it means to be a human is the veil itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the lens that we choose to look through
Speaker 3: as well, you know what I mean, based on beliefs
Speaker 3: or based on fears, or based on whatever you name it.
Speaker 3: You know, we create that matrix. Yeah, ourselves so wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're fucking full in ourselves really so.
Speaker 1: So as far as the ether goes within mysticism, the
Speaker 1: ether was the breath of the gods, the quintessence, the
Speaker 1: fifth element beyond form, the medium for spirit, thought and prayer,
Speaker 1: the hidden web. So that's awesome within mysticism. Within magic,
Speaker 1: to work with ether is to still the senses, to
Speaker 1: feel the presence between breaths. It's the silence and ritual
Speaker 1: where intention leaps into the unseen ether. Is the reminder
Speaker 1: that reality is more connected than we know. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: We've been saying it, dude, we don't know how to
Speaker 3: explain it, but we've been saying it.
Speaker 1: It's there. It's there, dude, it's it's the dowel. You know,
Speaker 1: the dow that can be explained is not the true dowel.
Speaker 3: Right, you know these things that are just so hard
Speaker 3: to express and even articulate, you know, you know that
Speaker 3: that's the that's the difficult job that we have here,
Speaker 3: is trying to put words to things that there are
Speaker 3: no words too.
Speaker 1: You know, it's poetic in that sense. Here we are. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, this is where all right, so you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of get the gist of the elements and
Speaker 1: the elementals, and maybe you know a better understanding of
Speaker 1: what they can be used for symbolically, and maybe if
Speaker 1: we're trying to use them within ritual, maybe we understand
Speaker 1: a little bit more about how to connect with the
Speaker 1: flame and all these things. So now that you understand
Speaker 1: it and you want to start working with the shit, right,
Speaker 1: then we get into weather work. Okay, I wanna start
Speaker 1: manipulating the weather, all right? This is just gonna touch
Speaker 1: on it. It's not gonna go super deep, but these
Speaker 1: are certain things that you can learn to do eventually,
Speaker 1: once you start to really understand and work with the
Speaker 1: elements themselves, which is I think it's pretty damn cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Shamans didn't control the weather in quotations, they aligned
Speaker 1: with it. Dances, drumming, and chance weren't random. They were
Speaker 1: ways of entraining breadth and intention with the sky. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the rain came because they sensed its timing, sometimes because
Speaker 1: consciousness and atmosphere intertwined. In way science is only beginning
Speaker 1: to explore. Magical weather is not about domination but dialogue.
Speaker 1: The rain dance is not superstition. It's communication with living sky. Dude,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something I learned this. This was
Speaker 1: another inspiration on this show. So if you go back
Speaker 1: and you look at like the oh, what was it like,
Speaker 1: the the Indian dancing for the rain? Right? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is that called? There's a name for that. I think
Speaker 1: that's actually what it was called. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck I was thinking about. But anyway, like the
Speaker 1: rain dance, did you know that Literally they're dancing and
Speaker 1: they're singing and the rhythm of which they were moving around.
Speaker 1: They recently just decided to try and track the vibration
Speaker 1: that was coming off of them, right, And wouldn't you know,
Speaker 1: literally down to the Milla hurts, it was exactly aligned
Speaker 1: to the vibration of the hurts that was that would
Speaker 1: be needed if you were trying to invoke rain. So
Speaker 1: everything has a rhythm to it, right, Every single thing
Speaker 1: has a vibration of frequency and essence and energy. Right,
Speaker 1: it's just about trying to align with that so that
Speaker 1: maybe once you do align with it, it comes right. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was the idea of the rain dance. So they
Speaker 1: hooked up these these people that were doing the rain
Speaker 1: dances with the drumming and the and the chanting and
Speaker 1: in the in the dancing and all that, and every
Speaker 1: single movement that came from the body. The energy that
Speaker 1: was created during said ritual is the vibration of rain itself.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, How the fuck did they know that.
Speaker 3: They were just doing what nature was doing? You know,
Speaker 3: they just knew it. Yeah, they didn't have to think
Speaker 3: about it that They just were that unreal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what it means to be more connection,
Speaker 1: more connected with nature. You think about it like it's
Speaker 1: only a recent thing, is air conditioning, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like in the realm of time, ac we
Speaker 1: we are so blessed, bro, it is not even funny
Speaker 1: like lucky dude, it is. Yeah. It is like ninety
Speaker 1: degrees outside right now. It's sixty eight in my apartment.
Speaker 3: Right It's won't even get me started on the humidity,
Speaker 3: you know, not so much here, but we have been
Speaker 3: experiencing some humidity, dude, And I'm like, how people deal
Speaker 3: with this every day?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I can't breathe out here. Yeah, we're playing
Speaker 1: in the nineties over here, Dude, the ninety percent, you're
Speaker 1: like struggling with forty over there, thirty probably, Yeah, But yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy about like they just knew how to
Speaker 1: connect with the nature elements because we're not separate from it.
Speaker 1: We just think that we are. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's not so much a thing that they had to
Speaker 3: figure out how to do it. They were just that,
Speaker 3: you know, they were part they were so in tuned
Speaker 3: with nature that they were able to replicate it or
Speaker 3: or just be the thing that was rain, you know,
Speaker 3: in that expression anyways of the human expression of rain.
Speaker 1: So the rain dance is not a superstition. It is
Speaker 1: a literal communication with the living sky. Dude.
Speaker 3: That's that's that earth language that we read about in
Speaker 3: the The Alchemist. Yeah, I mean it's like knowing the
Speaker 3: language of the earth. That is an aspect of that language. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how cool is that?
Speaker 1: Like try working with the nature with like the fucking
Speaker 1: spirit of air condition, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: it's not natural to us. No, it's not gonna works,
Speaker 1: all right. So that's just dabbling into that. There's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be a whole future episode on that. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lie like each of these things that we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about are going to be future episodes themselves.
Speaker 1: This is just kind of a dabbling into nextly, which
Speaker 1: has been something that I've been wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: for forever because I watched Game of Thrones and I
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if that's real. Turns out it is, okay, right,
Speaker 1: and that is shamanic flight.
Speaker 3: Okay, elaborate a little bit, all right, So did you
Speaker 3: ever watch Game of Thrones? No, dude, sleeping, You're sleeping
Speaker 3: due she knows what the fuck is up. Then, So
Speaker 3: there's uh, there's.
Speaker 1: There's a boy in there who you know, he fell
Speaker 1: from like a second or third story window and like
Speaker 1: became paralyzed, couldn't walk anymore. So so so basically all
Speaker 1: he had to do all day was just like meditate
Speaker 1: and think and all this kind of shit. Right, Eventually,
Speaker 1: as the story unfolds, he understands that, like he can
Speaker 1: connect his consciousness to animals, okay, and now he can
Speaker 1: control said animal because he is jumping into he is
Speaker 1: now that consciousness of that raven, of that fucking wolf
Speaker 1: or whatever, right, and he can guide that animal as
Speaker 1: if he is that animal. Okay, Okay, So I thought, man,
Speaker 1: if that is something that's for real, we need to
Speaker 1: find out about it. So it is also called shamanic flight.
Speaker 1: So around the world shaman's described leaving their bodies and
Speaker 1: writing with animals, whether it be eagles, jaguars, or even serpents.
Speaker 1: They called it soul flight. Science today shows the brain
Speaker 1: can extend itself, I'm sorry. Science today sh that the
Speaker 1: brain can extend its sense of self into other forms.
Speaker 1: Body schema experiments is one vr embodiment and lucid dreaming.
Speaker 1: The shamanic journey may have been an ancient way of
Speaker 1: accessing that same potential, blending imagination with reality until boundaries dissolve,
Speaker 1: so to see through eagle's eyes, to fly above, to
Speaker 1: return with knowledge, it was both vision and truth. Imagine, dude,
Speaker 1: I've tried this before, like I've I've like just even
Speaker 1: within a meditation we just did a couple weeks ago
Speaker 1: where you know, it was one it was really cool.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that one where basically like you can
Speaker 1: go in and you know, you can be the dolphin underwater,
Speaker 1: and then you transform into the eagle, and then you
Speaker 1: transform into the wolf that's running on the land, and
Speaker 1: just trying to imagine what it would be like, what
Speaker 1: would it feel like if you have the wind beneath
Speaker 1: your wings and you can sol and fly everywhere, and
Speaker 1: the wind's either going with you or it's going against you,
Speaker 1: and it's a lot easier to fly whenever you're you're
Speaker 1: going with the winds, So you'd much rather just go
Speaker 1: in that pattern. Or if you're the wolf, right, like,
Speaker 1: imagine what it would be to just be galloping through
Speaker 1: the forest and you're going thirty forty fifty miles an
Speaker 1: hour or whatever it is, and you have just super
Speaker 1: awesome vision and all the crazy senses to where you're
Speaker 1: not worried about running into a tree or anything because
Speaker 1: you saw that tree from thirty yards away and you
Speaker 1: already planned for that move, you know, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: every single thing of what it would feel like. I
Speaker 1: think that imagining it is the first step. It would
Speaker 1: have to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what unlocks that ability. You have to at
Speaker 3: least imagine being able to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, that may be a whole entire
Speaker 1: it will be a whole entire future. I see. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, if consciousness is the thing that gives rise
Speaker 3: to everything else, then why wouldn't consciousness.
Speaker 1: Be outside of us as well?
Speaker 3: This ether that we could travel through into something else
Speaker 3: and observe what they're observing.
Speaker 1: And I'm happy you brought that up because the next
Speaker 1: one we're going to get into is remote viewing. Sir. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the modern world experimented with this too. The Stargate program
Speaker 1: tried to train psychic spies to see distant targets. Results
Speaker 1: were controversial, but the practice continues. Remote viewing may be
Speaker 1: shamanic flight reborn in modern terms. The ancients used ritual
Speaker 1: drumming and trance. The military used coordinates and protocols. Both
Speaker 1: aimed at the same possibility that consciousness can be moved
Speaker 1: beyond the body and see from afar. Whether it be
Speaker 1: Egle flight or an RV session, the idea is the same.
Speaker 1: Mind is not confined to the skull, of course not. Dude.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a fun one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we're going to learn how to do it,
Speaker 3: you know, because we have to, because we must, dude.
Speaker 1: And that's that's funny because I was actually what was it?
Speaker 1: There was somebody that I always love looking into. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: you know what. I saved it to my phone. What
Speaker 1: is his damn name? Oh my god, I love this guy.
Speaker 1: Raydon Raydon, doctor, doctor Dean Raydon. That's his name. Holy shit.
Speaker 1: He was part He was part of Project Stargate, right, okay,
Speaker 1: which had everything to do with remote viewing and and
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Doctor Dean Raydon. You can still
Speaker 1: look him up. I'm he just created a TikTok account.
Speaker 1: He has like fifty followers. He just created it, right.
Speaker 1: I reached out to him. We're gonna try and get
Speaker 1: him on the show. There you go, dude, one of
Speaker 1: the ogs of remote dealings. Anyway, he gets into all
Speaker 1: of the science for it. Bro, Like he is, he sold.
Speaker 1: He knows that this ship is absolutely real. Right, it's
Speaker 1: no question.
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that I'm gonna need to
Speaker 3: do a lot of research just to come up with
Speaker 3: good questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Well, and he's and
Speaker 1: he's of the mind that like he comes from a
Speaker 1: science background. He's trying to explain this in scientific ways
Speaker 1: and it makes so much sense. I Doctor Dean, come
Speaker 1: on the show, dude, that's what I need. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: speaking it, so yeah, shout out to him. He's awesome. Nextly,
Speaker 1: the Elemental Toolkit. Each element has correspondences as well, so
Speaker 1: fire with courage transformation, and the South water with emotional
Speaker 1: or emotion purification, and the West air with intellect inspiration,
Speaker 1: and the East and the Earth with stability, fertility, and
Speaker 1: the North also there's ether with spirit, miracles, and the
Speaker 1: center magic works. Because these correspondences align and symbols with forces.
Speaker 1: To light a candle, to pour water, to burn incense,
Speaker 1: to hold a stone, and to speak intention is to
Speaker 1: call the universe into harmony with your will.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, dude, come on now, speaking into the universe telling
Speaker 3: it what you wanted, what you want to see, dud.
Speaker 1: Dude, you're calling it into harmony to match your will.
Speaker 3: So times due where you really feel like you're in
Speaker 3: tune with that and things are just like going exactly
Speaker 3: the way you wanted.
Speaker 1: It to go.
Speaker 3: And it's like that's magic, dude. You know, Like so
Speaker 3: many things that I've that we've experienced with just my
Speaker 3: wife going to school and we're in the grind, dude,
Speaker 3: between her working full time, me working full time, she's
Speaker 3: going to school full time, and and me doing the show.
Speaker 1: It's like we're constantly just moving, you know.
Speaker 3: And there's so many things that you know, that I'll
Speaker 3: tell her, like, you know, look at it this way,
Speaker 3: or you know, and then she's even come to me
Speaker 3: and said, oh, you know, I did it this way,
Speaker 3: and I said that this is how it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: And just like certain things and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: that's what we start to see and little call them miracles,
Speaker 3: to call them the universe working in your favor, whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it, it's the same thing. But
Speaker 3: certain doors opening at the perfect time. It's just like, man,
Speaker 3: it's almost like it's just it's conspiring for you when
Speaker 3: you really lock in and really put your mind and
Speaker 3: intention and energy into that goal. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: It's like it just fucking just things start to.
Speaker 1: Happen, you know, until you make the unconscious conscious. That's
Speaker 1: it's it. That's it man. So nextly we have the
Speaker 1: grand elemental. Right, so imagine standing in a circle to
Speaker 1: the east, you call the wind to the south, you
Speaker 1: call you light the flame. To the west, you pour
Speaker 1: the water to the north. You place the stone above all,
Speaker 1: you call the ether. This was the great ritual of balance.
Speaker 1: To stand at the center of the elements, to align
Speaker 1: yourself with all the forces at once, was to become
Speaker 1: a bridge between heaven and earth. The ancients practiced this,
Speaker 1: practiced this, and we practice we can practice it still.
Speaker 1: So just as Symbolic Studies was telling us, right, damn,
Speaker 1: I always forget his.
Speaker 3: Name, Anthony, No, I'm sorry, was Anthony?
Speaker 1: No, Mario Mario, you said it earlier. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: just as he was saying earlier, whenever you got the
Speaker 1: magician or the bapha met right, the two fingers pointing up,
Speaker 1: the two fingers pointing down, It wasn't to say, I
Speaker 1: call upon heaven and hell. It was to make you
Speaker 1: the conduit between heaven and earth.
Speaker 3: Right right, And that's what it is, symbolic understanding of
Speaker 3: the spirit or whatever was the center, you know, the
Speaker 3: thing that was outside of space and time, but like
Speaker 3: it was symbolically like the center.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so if you're lighting the flame for the
Speaker 3: fire and you're pouring the water and these things are
Speaker 3: happening around you, now you're the center of that. Yes,
Speaker 3: seeing that spirit or that infinite force, if you will,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, really trying to encompass the
Speaker 3: power and energy of the nature that you are within.
Speaker 1: And not only just the nature. And it started remember
Speaker 1: as he said, it started with the polar deities, so
Speaker 1: every it was it was imagining that the pole was
Speaker 1: the center and everything else flowed around you, right. And
Speaker 1: the same thing with the solar you know, now we
Speaker 1: know that we go around the Sun, so we are
Speaker 1: almost representing the Sun at that point as a solar
Speaker 1: deity if you're just looking at it for the symbolism
Speaker 1: of it, if you're looking at yourself as the solar deity,
Speaker 1: now everything flows around you. You're the Sun, right, and
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have the water over here, the fire
Speaker 1: over there, the air over there, the spirit above all right, right,
Speaker 1: And so if you're that and you're that magician that's
Speaker 1: standing in the middle, or if you're the person that
Speaker 1: created the pentagram, right, because all the pentagram is it
Speaker 1: is just representative. It's the penta, it's the five it's
Speaker 1: the five elements. So you have you know, your earth, wind, air, water, fire,
Speaker 1: and fucking ether. Right. If you have all of those
Speaker 1: and you're standing in the center of that, then that
Speaker 1: means that all of those are flowing all around you
Speaker 1: and you have them at your use if you need.
Speaker 1: They are only it's only one point of the star
Speaker 1: over there away, the other ones, one point of the
Speaker 1: star over there away. It's all around you, so that
Speaker 1: you're at the center of all of it, as is
Speaker 1: the ether right right right. It's just so fascinating the
Speaker 1: symbolism of it. And I think that if our mind
Speaker 1: works and symbols, of.
Speaker 3: Course it works, yep, all right, because it must it
Speaker 3: must just nature, you know, can.
Speaker 1: Our nature itself? Yeah? Nextly, we have the voice, the breath,
Speaker 1: and sound. So why does spells rhyme? Why why would
Speaker 1: you chant? Because voice is fire and air combined. Breath
Speaker 1: fuels vibration. Vibration shapes reality. Science shows us resonance and entrainment.
Speaker 1: Mysticism shows us mantras and chants together. They remind us
Speaker 1: that to speak with intention is to shape the field
Speaker 1: around us. Words are magic, and they always have been. Yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: next we'll get into the oh the weather safe prayers.
Speaker 1: So it's tempting to imagine commanding storms, but true magic
Speaker 1: works with balance. Shamans asked for rain when needed, for
Speaker 1: winds to ease and never to harm. We too can
Speaker 1: pray for balance, for gentle rain, for cool air, for
Speaker 1: fertile ground, and always pair, always pair prayer with action,
Speaker 1: So conserve water, plant trees, care for the soil. Magic
Speaker 1: and stewardship must walk together. I agree with that. So
Speaker 1: if you want to put it into your daily elemental practice,
Speaker 1: you don't need a grand ritual every day. Instead works
Speaker 1: simply by breathing. So these are these are things that
Speaker 1: you can do to work with the elements. These are
Speaker 1: the simplest ways that you can, you know, implement them
Speaker 1: into your daily practice. Right, So breathe ten deep breaths
Speaker 1: at sunrise for air. Okay, simple place bare feet on
Speaker 1: the ground for two minutes. For earth, simple enough, light
Speaker 1: a candle and set an intention for fire, wash your
Speaker 1: hands with gratitude for water, and then sit in silence
Speaker 1: between them. For ether, these micropractices weave the elements back
Speaker 1: into your daily life and imagine all that can get
Speaker 1: done in ten minutes. Oh easy, dude, that's great. That's great.
Speaker 1: Pretty start your day like that.
Speaker 3: Just set the intention for that day, or for that
Speaker 3: week or month, whatever the goal is, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, and just work on that every day. Well,
Speaker 3: now you're using two of the most powerful things when
Speaker 3: it comes to manifestation and magic itself is time and
Speaker 3: energy and attention. Actually you can throw that one in there.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, dude, so yeah, pretty frickin' sweet. So m
Speaker 1: all right. So here's the truth. The ancients weren't wrong.
Speaker 1: They were describing reality and symbols. Fire is energy transforming,
Speaker 1: water is continuity through change, air is invisible breath and spirit.
Speaker 1: Earth is stability and form, and then ether is the
Speaker 1: unseen unseen field binding it all. Science measures the mechanisms,
Speaker 1: mysticism reveals the meaning, and together they bridge the gap.
Speaker 1: And that's what this is all about. Making magic reel again,
Speaker 1: not by fantasy, but by remembering that every breath, every flame,
Speaker 1: every drop of water, every stone, every moment of silence
Speaker 1: is alive with power. So tonight, take one breath, one step,
Speaker 1: one spark, one sip, and one moment of stillness. The
Speaker 1: elements are not outside of you. They are you. And
Speaker 1: when you remember that, magic is no longer a story,
Speaker 1: it's life itself.
Speaker 3: EO, fuck, come on now, come on, man, you what
Speaker 3: are you doing to me?
Speaker 1: You know, tickling the soul?
Speaker 3: Sir, I'm surprised that we have not done this episode sooner.
Speaker 3: I know you mentioned it before, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But we were supposed to have a guest tonight, but
Speaker 3: this turned out to be a fabulous episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, it's you know, and we've learned
Speaker 1: not to get upset whenever certain things don't fall and
Speaker 1: you know the ways that we had planned, you know,
Speaker 1: because the fact is is that you know, things happen
Speaker 1: as they're supposed to, and it's either they're either they're
Speaker 1: either happening to you or they're happening for you. And
Speaker 1: life is just a lot better whenever you look at
Speaker 1: it through the lens of it's happening for you. That's
Speaker 1: just the facts.
Speaker 3: Look at it as opportunity or or something that's something
Speaker 3: else is going to come along, you know, And I'm
Speaker 3: sure we're going to have that guest on at a
Speaker 3: later later date, and I'm sure usually how that happens
Speaker 3: is we'll have that person come on and it's just
Speaker 3: a great episode, you know, almost like it needed that
Speaker 3: little extra time and timing is is everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it was definitely gonna be a whole hell
Speaker 1: of a lot different conversations tonight. We're going to be
Speaker 1: getting on a Freemason, so very different.
Speaker 3: For some reason, I was thinking, I don't know why
Speaker 3: I was thinking it was going to be astrology. I
Speaker 3: don't know why I was thinking that. I know you
Speaker 3: told me too, but yeah, that was definitely going to
Speaker 3: be a much different conversation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's going to be a
Speaker 1: bit like astrology, but it we're actually gonna be getting
Speaker 1: on Tiffany Haney. She's gonna be coming on Wednesday, so
Speaker 1: for the live show. So for anybody that's listening to this, uh,
Speaker 1: if you're listening on Patreon, then you know she'll be
Speaker 1: coming and you know on Wednesday night, and she's gonna
Speaker 1: be doing the gene keys and so you needed we
Speaker 1: needed to give her like all the same stuff that
Speaker 1: we would for you known astrological reading. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that everything happens in divine timing. We'll get that,
Speaker 1: uh that gentleman on and talking about free masonry and
Speaker 1: all that fun jazz at at a later point. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Oh yeah, yeah dude. So Sean,
Speaker 1: I think we have a tarot card and you know what,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's take a minute because we both have
Speaker 1: to shuffle now, yeah, because we're gonna go oracle and
Speaker 1: tarot all right for it? All right? So, uh, you
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna read the oracle from the Alice
Speaker 1: in Wonderland deck, right, Alice, it's the Alice the Wonderland Oracle,
Speaker 1: all right. So what we got was it's a card
Speaker 1: called keep your Temper Okay, and it shows Alice with
Speaker 1: the Seshire cat or just looks like a cat, but
Speaker 1: I guess it could be the Seshire. It says, when
Speaker 1: we are thrown this way and that by life, uncertain
Speaker 1: of what will happen next, our tempers can begin to fray,
Speaker 1: we may become irritable, less patient than we would be
Speaker 1: when all is familiar and comfortable for any of us.
Speaker 1: To make our way through life, we must be wary
Speaker 1: of our temper taking over our good sense. Remember, you
Speaker 1: will go farther when you harness your power and unleash
Speaker 1: it at the right time, which is, by the way,
Speaker 1: not right now, okay, interesting, which I think is a
Speaker 1: pretty power powerful message, right, especially if we're talking about
Speaker 1: the elements. You know, if you think about anger, I
Speaker 1: would definitely associate that with fire, right, And so you
Speaker 1: don't want to always be fire all the damn time
Speaker 1: and forcing your way into things that you don't need
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, fire can be used for a
Speaker 1: lot of good things, but can be always, you know,
Speaker 1: also used for a lot of bad things. You know,
Speaker 1: can heat your home, but it can also burn your
Speaker 1: fucking host house down. Oh yeah, so you know you
Speaker 1: got to be able to contain the flame and not
Speaker 1: let it override yes man.
Speaker 3: As far as the tarot, we got the Queen of Wongs.
Speaker 3: Queen of wons, all right, that seems like a pretty
Speaker 3: decent card to look into.
Speaker 1: The Queen of Wands here we go, all right, Feminine
Speaker 1: energy of intuitive creativity and emotional intelligence, combined with passion
Speaker 1: and heart centered action are held within the Queen of Wands.
Speaker 1: In Taro, queens represent feminine energy that includes receptivity, creativity, nurturing,
Speaker 1: and love. The addition of the oh, come on now,
Speaker 1: the addition of the fire element combined with intuitive water
Speaker 1: gives this queen action driven capabilities for giving as well
Speaker 1: as receiving. The Queen of Wands is seated facing the viewer,
Speaker 1: displaying confidence rather than passivity. Her gaze is to the left,
Speaker 1: the direction of intuition, symbolic of her connection to water
Speaker 1: and feminine energy. This powerful combination is much like that
Speaker 1: of the magician, who channels the divine to manifest this reality,
Speaker 1: and the Queen of Wands has been historically referred to
Speaker 1: as the Witch of the Taro for this reason. In
Speaker 1: this case, the term which refers to her ability to
Speaker 1: manifest and is not connected to a specific religion. The
Speaker 1: black cat by her side, known as the Witch is Familiar,
Speaker 1: echoes this aptly given nickname. So the elemental key combination
Speaker 1: so is water in fire. So water signifies the Queen's
Speaker 1: connection to love and emotions, while her place in the
Speaker 1: suit of wands connects her to fire, which represents passion
Speaker 1: and action. So that's pretty interesting that we kind of
Speaker 1: just got a fire card for the uh for the oracle,
Speaker 1: and then get this one that's water and fire, which
Speaker 1: I think kind of it flowed perfectly into this. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't just be fired. Like you said.
Speaker 3: The oracle was kind of like an amplifier, you know,
Speaker 3: And so that's cool man, Yes, love it how they line.
Speaker 1: Up like that.
Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, you know we should start doing that. Why
Speaker 3: not do a tarot and an oracle every time? Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do There's no reason not to.
Speaker 1: So the spiritual message says, focus on cultivating your intuitive
Speaker 1: powers within your spiritual practice and manifesting your dreams into reality.
Speaker 1: This may mean spending time in nature to rejuvenate your
Speaker 1: energy and spirit before returning to your responsibilities. Take initiative
Speaker 1: to work on healing any blocks to your self esteem
Speaker 1: and sense of self worth. You are becoming more confident,
Speaker 1: which will lead to immense personal growth and improved relationships.
Speaker 1: So the upright key meanings would be creativity and ambition. Interesting,
Speaker 1: which makes sense. The creativity and the ambition. You think
Speaker 1: about water, I mean it can flow in whatever direction.
Speaker 1: It takes many different forms. It's like the most creative
Speaker 1: thing that there is the ambition being the fire, right,
Speaker 1: It's that thing that gets you going, like why are
Speaker 1: you getting up every morning? So yeah, the Queen of
Speaker 1: Wands is a combination of the water and the fire. Dude,
Speaker 1: why not? And I think that that just shows the
Speaker 1: importance of not relying solely on one of the elements.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the the symbolic elements, right, Like what
Speaker 1: does the fire represent within you? Right? It can get
Speaker 1: you out of a lot of situations, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to solely only be fire. Like anybody that's ever
Speaker 1: met somebody, you know, somebody that's all fired and you're like, dude, come.
Speaker 3: On, comment down, just to touch fan the flames a
Speaker 3: little bit, right, Somebody get this guy a sprinkler.
Speaker 1: You know what's going on here? Right? This guy in here?
Speaker 1: Who put that guy there? So yeah, awesome, And I
Speaker 1: feel like we have a pretty decent understanding of the
Speaker 1: elements now, right.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, way more than before, for sure. Definitely room
Speaker 3: to grow. But dude, that was all encompassing. Dude, deep
Speaker 3: there for a minute.
Speaker 1: It did get deep, but several times for sure, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess now we're gonna get over to the meditation.
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Speaker 1: That being said, I think we're going to get over
Speaker 1: to the meditation. And yeah, I guess with all of
Speaker 1: that being said, if elemental magic came here and it
Speaker 1: taught you anything, it's that you don't know what you
Speaker 1: don't know, So just get weird, stay weird. That was
Speaker 1: an interesting one, huh. I had to wake up out
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 3: One, felt like, yeah, I got I almost like I
Speaker 3: didn't fall asleep or anything, but I got super super
Speaker 3: entrance there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I felt like my uh my hands kind of whet numb,
Speaker 3: probably because of the way I was sitting, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But it's weird because you know when
Speaker 3: your hands go numb, they tend to get cold, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you got pores circulation. But I felt like my
Speaker 3: hands and my arms were like.
Speaker 1: Warm, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe because of the suggestion of the fire.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it definitely felt like a warming aspect.
Speaker 3: I don't know, super super interesting though, I was. I
Speaker 3: was starting to use certain aspects of that. And this
Speaker 3: is what's really interesting about these meditations is the different
Speaker 3: sounds that you hear. You know, you can put certain
Speaker 3: properties to that, like the crackling of the wood. In
Speaker 3: your mind, you can say, Okay, the crackling of the
Speaker 3: wood is just the the energy that was the wood escaping, right,
Speaker 3: and so you could or you could say that that
Speaker 3: crackling of the wood is the transformation of the wood
Speaker 3: to ash, right, and so that's the sound of the transformation.
Speaker 3: So you can take those sounds and say, okay, well,
Speaker 3: those crackling sounds are actually parts of myself that are
Speaker 3: parts that I don't like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: And so the fire is taking that and transforming it
Speaker 3: into something else, and that's the sound that you're you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So there's little things that you
Speaker 3: can do in your mind and apply that and accept it,
Speaker 3: you know, just like you would if you were to
Speaker 3: write down, you know, things that you are releasing and
Speaker 3: then you you know, you write it down or you
Speaker 3: burn it or whatever you do, and then for some
Speaker 3: reason it seems to work, like for the next few days,
Speaker 3: you start to feel like, oh, that's it's so you
Speaker 3: can't describe it, you know, but there's some aspect of
Speaker 3: yourself that accept did that and took it on as reality.
Speaker 1: So you literally.
Speaker 3: Changed something about your own reality. But that's just what's
Speaker 3: really cool about your mind that you can do that,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean at that point, it's not magic,
Speaker 3: it's just it just is just like shifting your consciousness
Speaker 3: at that point.
Speaker 2: M m yeah.
Speaker 1: I felt like because at first I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to really try to connect with this, like
Speaker 1: I wanna I want to be in that fire, you know,
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be part of the process of
Speaker 1: that combustion that is forming light, that is that is
Speaker 1: burning the wood and using it as fuel. I want
Speaker 1: to be part of that. And and and it took
Speaker 1: me a little while, and I was like almost like
Speaker 1: because you know that drumming is almost like a little
Speaker 1: intimidating a little bit, especially whenever you combine it with
Speaker 1: the fire, you know, like in a meditation, at least
Speaker 1: for me it was. And so I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm looking at it almost from like
Speaker 1: a fear based kind of mentality, like it shouldn't be intimidating.
Speaker 1: It should just it's just another way of expressing itself.
Speaker 1: If it's if everything is just one consciousness, then that
Speaker 1: fire is just another way of expressing said consciousness. Right,
Speaker 1: And so I was like, you know what, you know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm just going to live. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to surrender to it. And it made me think
Speaker 1: about the whole process of like birth and death and
Speaker 1: rebirth and all this other kind of stuff, and like,
Speaker 1: if everything is just one consciousness, then that means that
Speaker 1: the very consciousness that I am is the same consciousness
Speaker 1: of what that fire is, right, and so and it's
Speaker 1: and if it all is one consciousness, then I am
Speaker 1: that fire and that fire is me right in that sense,
Speaker 1: whether you look at it through all the different modalities
Speaker 1: of you know, I was a fire in a past
Speaker 1: life or I will be a fire in a future life,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just all one thing. It's all happening right
Speaker 1: now and we're only just viewing it through this linear
Speaker 1: kind of modality, right, but really, in all actuality, it
Speaker 1: all is just one thing. So I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to see what it's like to be fire, you know,
Speaker 1: like and just be it. And dude, I just realized that, like,
Speaker 1: of course fire is consciousness, Like of course it is,
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't consciousness, then it wouldn't do anything,
Speaker 1: you know, because in order for anything to be anything,
Speaker 1: and it must first be conscious, Like there is no
Speaker 1: such thing as physical anything preceding consciousness. Consciousness always comes first.
Speaker 1: So that fire must be a concer. So whenever people
Speaker 1: are like staring into a flame, or staring into a
Speaker 1: fire or something like that, and they're they're they're put
Speaker 1: into a gaze, they're put into somewhat of a trance.
Speaker 1: That almost is our connection to that consciousness in a way,
Speaker 1: if you really think about it. And so then, dude,
Speaker 1: it so strange because as soon as like that clicked
Speaker 1: in my mind, it was like, not only I wasn't
Speaker 1: at the bottom anymore, I wasn't the fire, you know,
Speaker 1: the logs with all the little the little charcoals and
Speaker 1: you know, all the little things right at the bottom.
Speaker 1: It was like I was rising up, like I was
Speaker 1: no longer the wood that was being burned. I was
Speaker 1: the I wasn't the fire that was even going through
Speaker 1: the wood. I was the fire that was coming up
Speaker 1: and forming like the point of the fire. Right. And
Speaker 1: then I became like this little you know, little sparks
Speaker 1: fly up out of the fire right like a little
Speaker 1: amber that maybe you throw a piece of paper in there.
Speaker 1: And then that little piece of paper. Just do you
Speaker 1: ever see like a piece of paper it floats up
Speaker 1: like a couple hundred feet in the air, and sometimes
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, I hope that don't start a fire,
Speaker 1: you know, but like, but it happens, right, and you
Speaker 1: you know, it could be paper, could be leaves, whatever's
Speaker 1: real lighting right, And dude, it was so strange. I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about this. It just like happened. But
Speaker 1: I like, I floated up and I was just that
Speaker 1: one little piece of ember that was still slightly burning
Speaker 1: as it was like rising up from the heat of
Speaker 1: the fire. And all of a sudden, my my aspect,
Speaker 1: my perspective of just being in the fire. It went
Speaker 1: from instead of being like I'm right here, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: like parallel with the fire, it went to I'm now
Speaker 1: I'm up here now, dude, and I'm looking down at
Speaker 1: the fire in to where I'm like I'm level with
Speaker 1: the sky and I'm looking down at the rest of
Speaker 1: physical reality. And it was so cool because it was
Speaker 1: like a transformative. It wasn't like I was here then,
Speaker 1: I was just there. It was like I'm moving with it,
Speaker 1: and now my perspective of everything just changed because that's
Speaker 1: what it would do, right, And it was like it
Speaker 1: was almost like an eagles eye view of that fire
Speaker 1: that was once part of the log or part of
Speaker 1: the combustion, and and now it is mixing in with
Speaker 1: the rest of everything. No longer is it only contained
Speaker 1: as just fire. It is now rising up into the spirit,
Speaker 1: into the ether, you know. And I thought, I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, man, that was so cool. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's like, I don't know, I think the idea
Speaker 1: of like changing your perspective into a different form of
Speaker 1: conscious not a different form of consciousness, it's all consciousness anyway,
Speaker 1: but like changing your perspective. Yeah, dude, Like what a
Speaker 1: fun ride that is. And you know what, I feel
Speaker 1: like we should start trying to do that a little
Speaker 1: bit more, you know, like be the dolphin, be the
Speaker 1: leaf on the tree, or be the ant that's burrowing
Speaker 1: into the ground, or you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: very to the test.
Speaker 3: You know, if in fact, you know consciousness is inside
Speaker 3: and outside of us, then put it to the test and.
Speaker 1: See if we can actually do these things.
Speaker 3: You know, because really all is it really is just
Speaker 3: a hop, skip and a jump, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: we're already on that field anyways all the time. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just a matter of moving through it. And so
Speaker 3: I don't know, dude, I feel like it's possible, man.
Speaker 3: And as far as like the whole consciousness thing, dude,
Speaker 3: I feel like that is.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Man.
Speaker 3: You know how it's like people say like, well, how
Speaker 3: come I don't remember my past life or how come
Speaker 3: I don't remember the you know, the life that I
Speaker 3: was before this? Well, you know, because you forget everything.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you know, all of my memories and
Speaker 3: all of all of the things that happened to this
Speaker 3: body are stored in here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But it was the consciousness that gave me the awareness
Speaker 3: to experience those things. And then when you die, right,
Speaker 3: consciousness continues. And so there might be energy that was me,
Speaker 3: but not it won't be me me, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It'll be the energy that is me, but
Speaker 3: it won't be the memories.
Speaker 1: Of me, you know. And so and also how does
Speaker 1: it it make sense? And how does it pertain? So like,
Speaker 1: for example, what if your most recent incarnation before being
Speaker 1: a human, what if you were just like that little charcoal,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And that was your life.
Speaker 1: Now that information of you being that little charcoal in
Speaker 1: that fire, and maybe that light is still going on
Speaker 1: for forever, right whatever, but let's just say that it
Speaker 1: feels it out that night and you had to find
Speaker 1: another way to reincarnate into something because because that's just
Speaker 1: what consciousness and energy does, it has to go into something.
Speaker 3: And the whole idea of me having to find another
Speaker 3: thing too, it's just consciousness itself. It's the one, it's
Speaker 3: the source, it's whatever you want to call it. But
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily me, you know. That's what I think
Speaker 3: I'm coming to understand. You know, people go into a
Speaker 3: meditation and access the acotic records, which is the the
Speaker 3: knowing of everything and every experience and everything that's ever
Speaker 3: happened and everything that will happen. It's like that is
Speaker 3: stored within consciousness because consciousness was the thing that observed
Speaker 3: it in the first place. And so when you experience
Speaker 3: a past life, it's not necessarily your past life. It's consciousness,
Speaker 3: like the recording of consciousness itself.
Speaker 1: And so that I think, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, it's it's like, well, I know, right, but
Speaker 3: I feel like it's it's you that is the all
Speaker 3: encompassing I am am, it's you that is the observer.
Speaker 3: It's you that is the awareness, like and we know,
Speaker 3: like down to the very to the very thick of it,
Speaker 3: it's like, you're not you. You're the you that's observing
Speaker 3: what it's like to be you, right, right, It's just
Speaker 3: that fucking Rubik's cube of even statement, right, but like,
Speaker 3: but that's really what we are, right, And.
Speaker 1: So we become like, uh, okay, I'm sorry, No, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, like, we become so attached to
Speaker 1: what this is that we forget that we're not even
Speaker 1: that right.
Speaker 3: It's like, am I the I who speaks or the
Speaker 3: I who listens?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: I think Optimistic Bank said that in one of his songs,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh shit, you know, we always
Speaker 3: want but.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, I don't know. I fuck dude.
Speaker 3: I think it's all fucking fascinating, man, And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like something clicked tonight for me anyways, And
Speaker 3: I'm gonna explore that and contemplate a little bit and
Speaker 3: see what it does, you know, see what it tickles
Speaker 3: my fancy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and also like think about it,
Speaker 1: just since we're on the subject of fire, Like is
Speaker 1: there a way for fire to live the wrong way? No?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, is there a way
Speaker 1: for water to live the wrong way? And for do
Speaker 1: you think water judges itself for making our left term
Speaker 1: when it should have made a right one?
Speaker 3: No, because it can't. Oh, I mean, it just goes
Speaker 3: with the flow.
Speaker 1: Man. All that we are is the observer and and
Speaker 1: we can't affect our decisions and everything that we make,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, like the more we become aware
Speaker 1: with the eye, with the I am, or with the
Speaker 1: consciousness or with the soul or whatever, you know. I
Speaker 1: heard somebody say this, it's like it's so strange because
Speaker 1: as a human we feel like we have so much
Speaker 1: anxiety because there's so many options and there's so many
Speaker 1: choices and you could do this or you can do that,
Speaker 1: and you don't really know what the right what what
Speaker 1: the right answer is wrong, what's the right direction or whatever?
Speaker 1: Right It's like and.
Speaker 4: He's twelve years old into more show be a whore,
Speaker 4: and nobody ever told it it's the wrong way, like
Speaker 4: that doesn't exist, right, But like to the fire. It's
Speaker 4: like the fire is just just observing what it's like
Speaker 4: to be fire, And I think that that's all we
Speaker 4: really are. We're just observing what it's like to be Jonathan,
Speaker 4: what it's like to be shone through the eyes of
Speaker 4: what if. That's what we are, right.
Speaker 1: But somebody, to get back to what I was saying,
Speaker 1: is is that somebody says that like, whenever you're just
Speaker 1: human and you're just like you're doing what a human
Speaker 1: would do. Whenever you can get in touch with that
Speaker 1: consciousness that you are the I am, the all that is,
Speaker 1: the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, whatever it is, there
Speaker 1: is no more option of anything. You just feel guided
Speaker 1: by whatever that is. That there isn't multiple directions that like,
Speaker 1: whenever you go deep enough inside of you, there is
Speaker 1: only one direction to go, and that is that that
Speaker 1: flowing force that makes it so easy that you don't
Speaker 1: even have to make a decision anymore because the right
Speaker 1: thing is the natural thing, is the natural flow of
Speaker 1: this reality. You don't even question if you go left
Speaker 1: or right because you're going off of intuition alone.
Speaker 3: And which also really makes sense as far as the
Speaker 3: almost neutrality of the higher self, you know when you
Speaker 3: contact the higher self where you get in touch with
Speaker 3: that that I don't know, higher intelligence thing. You know,
Speaker 3: It's it's so neutral when it tells you something. It's
Speaker 3: not like, ah, fuck, you should have fucking did this,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just like, well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: do it like this or this is this is an option?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of like just observing and based on
Speaker 3: your decisions. It's it's just observing that now, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, if you want, I want to
Speaker 3: see it this way, okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's not like really choosing a site or a direction
Speaker 3: like you were saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like, you know, look, if you want
Speaker 1: to make that decision, you can like that path is
Speaker 1: already set out like and this is what's going to
Speaker 1: happen if you make that decision. Not in a judgmental way,
Speaker 1: but in order for this decision to exist, this path
Speaker 1: must exist, you know what I'm saying. And it's not
Speaker 1: that this path is the end all be all, it's
Speaker 1: that you know, it can veer. I mean, it's everlasting.
Speaker 1: So of course there's many different ways that that turn
Speaker 1: could turn into this turn into that turn, and then
Speaker 1: eventually you get on the straight and narrow, right. I
Speaker 1: don't know, dude, It's just so fucking majestic in that sense.
Speaker 1: And that's what I've really come to just love about
Speaker 1: doing these episodes because I feel like, just even on
Speaker 1: a personal basis, I feel like I'm just broadening my
Speaker 1: own understanding of like, dude, who gives a shit about mortality?
Speaker 1: Like we exist forever, right man?
Speaker 3: You know I mean, and you can at least look
Speaker 3: at it that way, you know what I mean, even
Speaker 3: if that's not so like, That's that's the crazy thing
Speaker 3: about it, dude. You know, however you want to choose
Speaker 3: to look at it is what your consciousness will see,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: You know what, And that just brings me back to
Speaker 1: the void again, you know, because whenever I went through
Speaker 1: that void situation, I was so scared. I thought I
Speaker 1: lost everything, and I was not ready to turn it
Speaker 1: in yet, you know what I'm saying, Like, I was
Speaker 1: not ready to let go of that I had weighed
Speaker 1: too many attachments. I had weighed too many un too
Speaker 1: much unfinished business, and you know, I felt almost as
Speaker 1: if it was my fault that the world ended and
Speaker 1: it wasn't time yet. And and that's what you hear
Speaker 1: like about a lot of suicide cases, is that that's
Speaker 1: why they always say that that, like I think, whatever
Speaker 1: you want, I'm not here to be judgmental. I don't
Speaker 1: know the right answer. But like why they say that,
Speaker 1: it's though it's the one, like it's the unholiest of
Speaker 1: all sins is suicide is because there is ath and
Speaker 1: you took that away from yourself, right right, And that
Speaker 1: they say, I've heard this before, like with near death
Speaker 1: experiences of people that you know purposely overdoes or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, and then somebody shoots them up with narcan
Speaker 1: and they're back again, right right. But in that moment
Speaker 1: that they knew that they were about to go, there
Speaker 1: was so much regret or so much regret because they
Speaker 1: knew that, like they saw the path of how their
Speaker 1: life was supposed to go, and they knew that it
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to end right there, right Like it's all
Speaker 1: like it there is a plan for all of it.
Speaker 1: And and it's not even that like somebody else made
Speaker 1: that plan for you mm hmm, Like I really believe
Speaker 1: that we're the ones that created the plan in the
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 3: And think about this as going off of what you
Speaker 3: were talking about, Like if you if you took it
Speaker 3: from yourself, you don't only change your own path or
Speaker 3: or really just end that path, but you change that
Speaker 3: path for everyone that was around you as well. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like everybody changes, not just obviously
Speaker 3: you're gone, so you know, but like the people around you,
Speaker 3: their life is you take something from them too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a part of you dies in them too, you
Speaker 1: know which even ultimately, like even though it wasn't part
Speaker 1: of the initial plan, I think even the initial plan
Speaker 1: probably has like curves and valleys and hills, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that it's not even just a
Speaker 1: straight line completely predestined in that way that I think
Speaker 1: that the entire all of everything is so damn malleable
Speaker 1: because it's just the play, dude, you know, like all
Speaker 1: of it. We're just putting on a fucking play for ourselves,
Speaker 1: and we're learning a little bit. Like you learn a
Speaker 1: little something every time you watch a movie. You weren't
Speaker 1: even in that movie. How'd you learn something from it?
Speaker 1: You weren't there, But we do. And I think that's
Speaker 1: probably just.
Speaker 3: Like that you know we figured something out of thing.
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm lockingel and glad that we had this episode.
Speaker 1: You know, it was the right timing, it was so anyhow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna wrap it.
Speaker 3: Upgrade there so the one we love you and we
Speaker 3: will see you on the flip side.
Speaker 4: Keep