Speaker 1: The word is cannibal and it appears in the files
fifty two.
Speaker 2: Times fifty two times. And just so we are perfectly
clear right out of the gate here we are not
talking about some corporate metaphor, right. We aren't talking about
a business strategy where one company, you know, cannibalizes another sales.
We are looking at text searches within a massive document
cash where the word cannibal or cannibalism is explicitly used
in a way.
Speaker 1: That just it makes the hair on the back of
your neck stand up, It really does.
Speaker 2: It's horrifying.
Speaker 1: I have to admit when I first started reading through
the specific stack of documents and the sheer volume of
it is just staggering. You go in expecting the financial crime, sure,
the money laundering exactly, You expect the fraud, the tax evasion,
you even expect the really sleazy solicitations, But then you
hit this wall of just well, absolute bizarre horror. There
is a reference to a restaurant actually named cannibal. Yeah,
there are repeated, really uncon comfortable mentions of jerky in
context that just feel completely wrong.
Speaker 2: Right, And I know there are plenty of Internet sleuths
out there who immediately jump to code words, and we
will absolutely get to the coded language later in this
deep dive, because there is plenty of it, and it
is deeply disturbing. It is, but some of this appears
to be terrifyingly literal. There is a file detailing an
interview between FBI officials and an anonymous man back in
twenty nineteen. This man claimed on the record, under penalty
of pertry, that back in two thousand he witnessed acts
of sacrifice on board Jeffrey Epstein's yacht.
Speaker 1: Sacrifice. Just let that word hang there for a second.
We're not talking about sacrificing profits for growth.
Speaker 2: No, we are talking about ritualistic acts. Now. We have
to be rigorous here, as always. He provided no physical
evidence at the time of the interview, but the fact
that this is in the FBI purview that this is
the world we are stepping into it sets the stage
for everything else we're about to discuss today. We aren't
just talking about a hedge fund manager who committed financial fraud.
We are entering a world of the occult, coded language,
bizarre obsessions, and a complete total vacuum where moral boundaries should.
Speaker 1: Be welcome to thrilling Threads.
Speaker 2: It is good to be here even if the topic
is well incredibly heavy.
Speaker 1: Today it's the heaviest, but that's the mission of thrilling Threads.
We pull at the loose threads of a story until
the entire sweater unravels. And today I gotta say the
sweater is ugly. It's moth eaten and stained.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 1: We are looking at the specific factual revelations from the
Epstein files, specifically analyzing the data dump that was recently
covered by the Infographic Show.
Speaker 2: And we need to make a very serious disclaimer right
up front. This topic is radioactive. It involves politically charged
figures from every single side of the aisle, left, right,
center and international exactly.
Speaker 1: We are not here to campaign for anyone. We aren't
here to defend anyone either. We are here to act
as neutral observers for you, the listener. We are reporting
strictly on what the files say. If a name is
in the documents, we talk about it, whether it's a president,
a prince, or a prime minister.
Speaker 2: We follow the thread no matter where it leads. So
if you're ready to look into the abyss.
Speaker 1: Let's open the file. And I want to start not
with the people, but with the place, the physical reality
of Epstein's world, because before we get to the famous
names and the rolodex, we really have to understand the
environment they were walking into. We have to talk about
the household manual.
Speaker 2: Oh, the manual. This is such a fascinating document because
it gives us a glimpse into the psychology of the
man before we even see the actual crimes. Yeah, this
wasn't just a rich guy who liked things tidy. This
was an obsession with micromanagement that bordered on and I
don't use this term lightly here, cult leader tactics.
Speaker 1: I was reading through the requirements for the Palm Beach
house and the temperature rule just blew my mind. The
manual stated in bold text that the main bedroom had
to be exactly sixty degrees fahrenheit. That's fifteen degrees celsius
at all times.
Speaker 2: Which is freezing. That is not just a cool that
is an absolute ice box.
Speaker 1: Right, most people keep their ac at seventy or seventy two.
Sixty degrees is physiological. It makes you shiver. It requires
you to be under heavy blankets or wearing layers and doors.
Speaker 2: It's about environmental control. Think about it. If you control
the temperature to an extreme, you control the comfort level
of everyone in that room. You keep them alert, or
you keep them seeking warmth, which usually means seeking the bed. Wow.
It's a very subtle form of physical dominance. And the
manual was explicit for the staff too. It wasn't just
do your job and go home. The golden rule written
out was see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.
Speaker 1: Which is the classic mobster rule, oh Merta, but here
it's being applied to housekeepers and groundskeepers. It creates this
insulated bubble where reality doesn't apply. And then there's the
gun rule.
Speaker 2: Yes, the manual specified the guns were to be kept
in the bedside drawers in the master bedroom at all times.
Speaker 1: That paints a really vivid picture, doesn't it. You have
this freezing cold room, a demand for total silence from
the invisible staff, and a loaded gun right in the nightstand.
It feels less like a luxury home and more like
a fortress.
Speaker 2: Or a bunker, a fortress of surveillance. Yeah, because that's
the other side of the architecture here. It wasn't just
about keeping people out, It was about watching everyone who
was in. We need to talk about Larry Vasoski.
Speaker 1: The pilot. I saw his name pop up repeatedly in
the slight logs.
Speaker 2: Right, Vasoski wasn't just flying the planes. He was part
of the logistics of the house. Epstein commissioned Veasosky to
buy motion detected cameras, but not just standard security cameras
to the front gate to see who's pulling up. Vassosky
noted they were tiny. He described them as the size
of a thumbnail drive.
Speaker 1: And he didn't go to Best Buy or call a
high end security company to install them. He bought them
from a spy shop down in Florida exactly.
Speaker 2: This is pure tradecraft equipment, and Vasoski admitted he had
already begun installing these cameras inside clean xboxes cn xboxes.
Speaker 1: That is I mean, it's voyeurism. Obviously, it's incredibly creepy,
but it also feels so tactical. You put a camera
in a clean xbox in a bedroom or a bathroom,
that's not for security, that's for leverage.
Speaker 2: It is incredibly tactical. And this is where the thrilling
thread leads us to a much darker possibility than just
a perview billionaire. There's a cryptic email regarding the installation
of these cameras. The text says, remember what we spoke about.
If you want to put cameras in the house, it
will have to be very discreetly done. The Russians may
come in handy.
Speaker 1: The Russians may come in handy. Okay, let's unpack this
for a second, because that sounds straight up like espionage.
Speaker 2: It certainly raises a massive question. Was Epstein just a
predator with a camera fetish or was he an asset?
Was he building a blackmail library on the world's elite.
When you look at the guests, the scientists, the politicians,
the royals, and then you realize they were likely being
filmed from a Kleenex box while in compromising situations.
Speaker 1: It changes the dynamic of every interaction we're about to discuss.
It means every handshake, every party, every private meeting was
potentially being archived for later use. And speaking of the
valance and hidden spots, we have to go to the
island Little se Js.
Speaker 2: The epicenter of the whole operation.
Speaker 1: There are two specific architectural features on the island that
show up in these files that really truly disturbed me.
The first is the trap door. I feel like every
villain's layer in fiction has a trapdoor, but this is
real life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is visual evidence in the files of a
trapdoor with rusty handholes leading down into dark water. Now
the Internet, naturally has gone completely wild with this, theories
about body disposals, secret submarine entrances, you name it.
Speaker 1: It's hard not to speculate when you see something that ominous.
But what do the actual fact checkers say?
Speaker 2: The prevailing innocent explanation is that it's for water filtration
or maintenance machinery for the island's infrastructure, which, to be fair,
is plausible. Private islands need heavy infrastructure to function.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, water pumps. I can accept that. But then
there's the temple, and I don't think there's any maintenance
explanation for this one.
Speaker 2: No, the temple is strange. It's located the highest point
of the island. It's painted in these striking blue and
white stripes, massive double doors, and it has a Zodiac
mural painted on the ceiling. It looks like something out
of a ritualistic cult. But the files described the interior
as totally unfinished. There were scraps of wood everywhere, and
most chillingly mattresses covered in yellow shrink wrap.
Speaker 1: That juxtaposition is what gets me. You build this grand,
almost religious exterior temple, and inside it's just cheap mattresses
on the floor. It doesn't look like a place for
prayer or meditation. It looks like a place for something else. Entirely.
Speaker 2: It looks like a stage set, a trap. And that's
really what the whole island was, fundamentally, a beautiful trap
designed to compromise the most powerful people in the world.
You lured them in with luxury, and then well, the
mattresses tell the rest of the.
Speaker 1: Story, which brings us to the Rolodex, Because if the
island was the trap, the Rolodex was the bait. I
want to look at the people who were in this orbit,
and let's start with Hollywood and the wellness crowd.
Speaker 2: It's a who's who of influence. She shows just how
deep his reach actually was.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Woody Allen. His name appears in the
files over seven thousand.
Speaker 2: Times seven thousand. Just think about the sheer volume of
that for a second. That implies a daily, almost obsessive
level of contact. That's not an acquaintance you see at
a gala once a year. That's a dependency.
Speaker 1: There's a quote in the files that really highlights how
open the secret was. A correspondent emails Epstein asking where
he is, and he replies, Paris with Woody Allen. And
the correspondent replies, and I quote directly, here are you
going to a pedophile convention?
Speaker 2: It was a joke, a dark, cynical joke between friends.
But that joke is incredibly revealing. It shows that the
reputation was known. It wasn't a secret in their circle
at all. It was punchline material. They knew what they
were doing, they knew who they were hanging out with.
Speaker 1: And then you have Peggy Siegeal. She's the Oscar guru, right,
the woman who gets movies nominated, a massively influential publicist
in New York and LA.
Speaker 2: She was absolutely the gatekeeper to Hollywood for him.
Speaker 1: She sent an e to Epstein while she was visiting
Kenya and this, I have to say, this actually made
me feel physically sick reading it. She wrote, do you
want me to bring a little baby back for you?
Or two boys or girls?
Speaker 2: It's horrific.
Speaker 1: It's the casual nature of it, that's the words part.
It's not written like a criminal conspiracy. It's written like
she's offering to pick up duty free chocolate at the airport.
Want me to grab you a baby?
Speaker 2: That is the banality of evil we always talk about. Yeah,
in their world, human trafficking language had become casual banter.
Whether she was serious or not almost doesn't matter. The
fact that she felt comfortable typing that to him, hitting
send and knowing he wouldn't be offended. It tells you
everything you need to know about the culture they were
operating in.
Speaker 1: It extends to the wellness world too. Deepak Chopra, the
man is practically synonymous with peace and healing.
Speaker 2: His name appears thousands of times. He invited Epstein to
Israel and explicitly asked him to bring his girls.
Speaker 1: Bring his girls, not bring your staff, not bring your family.
Speaker 2: Decisely and Peter Attia, the longevity uru. He's huge right
now in the biohacking and health optimization space.
Speaker 1: I listened to his stuff. He's brilliant on science. But here.
Speaker 2: Antia has since apologized and claimed ignorance that the emails
show he admitted to going into withdrawal without Epstein. He
wrote that Epstein's life was outrageous, and that he can't
tell a soul.
Speaker 1: Can't tell a soul. You don't say that about a
nice dinner party. You say that about things that would
ruin your reputation. It implies a deep complicity of silence exactly.
Speaker 2: And speaking of ruin, we have to look at the
British royal family. This is where the power dynamics get
really really interesting.
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, or as he's called in the files, the Duke.
Speaker 2: The emails are cozy. We two cozy, delighted for you
to come here to VP. That's Buckingham Palace. Epstein wasn't
just hanging out at VIP parties. He was being invited
into the very heart of the British monarchy.
Speaker 1: But the Sarah Ferguson emails, the Duchess of York, these
are just sad and bizarre. She calls Epstein the brother
I have always wished for. She asked for twenty thousand
pounds to cover her and then she signs off with
I am at your service, just marry me.
Speaker 2: It reeks of total desperation, but it shows exactly how
Epstein operated. He found people who had massive status but
needed cash. Like Ferguson or people who had money but
needed something else. He filled the gaps in their lives.
He paid her debts, He acted as a confidant, and
once he was in he owned them.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just British royals either. Crown Princess met Mrit
of Norway. She called him a sweetheart. They discussed a
wife hunt, noting that Scandinavian women are better wife material.
Speaker 2: It was a global network. He was collecting royalty like
trading cards.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the tech Titans. Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: Musk is an interesting case here. There is an email
where he asks what day or night will be the
wildest party on your.
Speaker 1: Island, which sounds pretty incriminating on the face of it.
Speaker 2: It does, but we do have to look at the
full context. The plans apparently fell through. Musk claims he
never went and he declined repeated invitations, but the fact
that he was asking about the wildest party suggests he
knew the reputation of the place. He knew exactly what
kind of wild Epstein provided.
Speaker 1: And Richard Branson.
Speaker 2: Epstein thanked Branson for hospitality. Branson replied, hoping Epstein would
bring his harem.
Speaker 1: Next time harem.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Branson claimed later that haram just referred to the
women Epstein happened to travel with, but again the language
reveals the mindset perfectly. Women were accessories, a harem to
be brought along like luxury luggage.
Speaker 1: And Steve Chish, the owner of the New York Giants,
he's emailing asking if a woman is a pro or
a civilian, and Epstein literally offers him a Tahitian woman
as a present.
Speaker 2: A present, a human being is a gift. This is
the commodification of people at the absolute highest level of
business and sports. It's treating people like party favors.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've covered Hollywood, tech and royals. Now we
have to step into the political arena. And I really
want to remind everyone listening we are neutral observers here.
The files implicate everyone. This isn't a partisan issue.
Speaker 2: It's a power issue at the US presidency.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, he is one of the most mentioned names
in the entire cash of files.
Speaker 2: He is There is an FBI spreadsheet detailing calls alleging involvement.
Now important context here. Investigators at the time deemed those
specific tips not credible, but the connection was undeniably there.
They were in the exact same social circles for decades.
Speaker 1: There's an email sent right after the twenty sixteen election,
and associate Panics asks Epstein, what's going to happen now
that Trump won? And Epstein just replies, it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's okay. Two words. And you can interpret that in
so many ways. Does that mean don't worry he's a friend,
or don't worry I have leverage, or just it doesn't
matter who is president. We don't really know, but it
suggests Epstein wasn't afraid of a Trump presidency. He felt
entirely secure.
Speaker 1: And looking at the other side the Clinton era figures
Larry Summers.
Speaker 2: Former Treasury secretary, a massive, massive figure in global economics,
Dean Epstein exchanged jokes mocking Trump and told him your
world does not understand how dumb he really is. Summers
has since admitted deep regret for staying in touch, but
he was in deep he was flying on the plane,
he was communicating regularly.
Speaker 1: And Howard Lutnik, the Commerce secretary.
Speaker 2: This is the part that disturbs me the most about Lettnik.
He visited the island, but he didn't just go alone
for a wild party. He took his wife, he took
his kids, he took the nannies.
Speaker 1: He took his kids to Epstein's island.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that is a psychological strategy on Epstein's part.
If you bring your family, it normalizes the environment. It
makes it feel perfectly safe. Look, it's just a vacation spot.
The kids are playing in the sand. It provides incredible
cover for everything else happening there. It makes the highly
abnormal feel totally normal.
Speaker 1: We also have Steve Bannon in.
Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, and this is late in the game. Remember
this is after Epstein's first conviction. Estein was boasting to
Bannon that he could organize one on ones with world
leaders for him. Epstein was acting as a shadow diplomat.
Speaker 1: And he clearly had the contacts to back it up.
Ahud Barak, the ex Prime Minister of Israel, he.
Speaker 2: Called Epstein a collector of people, which is the most
accurate description I've heard yet.
Speaker 1: Miroslavloshkak, the Slovakian diplomat, there's an exchange about a girl,
the mi I girl, and Epstein replies, you can have
them both and their.
Speaker 2: Sisters and their sisters. It's relentless. It's like he has
an unlimited supply of human beings.
Speaker 1: Peter Mandelssohn a UK official for our American listeners, He's
essentially a political architect in the UK, very high up.
He was leaking market sensitive information to Epstein.
Speaker 2: That's direct corruption, that's trading state secrets for access or
for money or for whatever else Epstein was providing on
the island.
Speaker 1: And then the big one, Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 2: Putin's name appears over a thousand times. Epstein was trying
to arrange a meeting between twenty thirteen and twenty eighteen.
We don't have hard confirmation they ever actually met, but
the effort was intensely there. Epstein wanted the full set.
He wanted the leaders of the East and the West.
Speaker 1: Why though, what was the ultimate end goal?
Speaker 2: Power protection. If you have dirt on everyone, or if
you are useful to everyone, you are practically untouchable. And
for a very long time he was. He was the
hub of the wheel.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just about political power. And this is
where the story takes a hard right turn into something
that feels like a bad sci fi movie. We really
have to talk about the mad science. This section often
gets overlooked because the abuse is so horrific, but the
science aspect explains the why of it all.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Epstein wasn't just a predator. He was a eugenicist.
He believed in the genetic superiority of certain people, specifically himself.
Speaker 1: He wanted to improve the human race according to his
own twisted standards exactly.
Speaker 2: He was obsessed with designer babies. He wanted to fund
research to modify embryos. He wasn't just interested in curing
genetic diseases, he was interested in enhancement.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't just abstract scientific curiosity. It was deeply racist.
Speaker 2: Deeply racist. There are emails with Joshua Back and Noam
Chomsky Brilliant Minds where Epstein is theorizing about modifying genes
and black people to improve intelligence or working memory.
Speaker 1: It's pseudoscientific white supremacy.
Speaker 2: It is. He was dressing a bigotry as intellectual curiosity,
and he was using his massive wealth to get serious
scientists to entertain these conversations. He was buying credibility for
his racism.
Speaker 1: And then there was the baby factory. This sounds like
a wild conspiracy theory, but it's literally right there in
the files.
Speaker 2: This was his plan to impregnate twenty women at a
time at his new Mexico ranch. He wanted to spread
his own DNA. He truly believed his DNA was superior
and it was his duty to seed the population.
Speaker 1: That is textbook narcissism. It's also utterly terrifying. It's the
logic of a cult leader or a historical dictator. I
am the peak of evolution, so I must replicate.
Speaker 2: He was also obsessed with immortality. He paid two hundred
thousand dollars to mass General to sequence his genome. But
and this is classic Epstein, he only paid the first
two thousand dollars the bill.
Speaker 1: Classic grifter move. Even when trying to become an immortal god,
he stiffs the hospital bill always.
Speaker 2: But he was discussing the biological consequences of time travel
with Harvard professors. He emailed Yell professor David gellinter about
experiences allowing time travel to the past.
Speaker 1: Was he completely delusional or did he think his money
could actually buy physics.
Speaker 2: I think when you have that much money and you've
controlled powerful people for that long, you start to believe
the fundamental laws of nature are just another negotiation. He
thought he could negotiate with death, He thought he could
negotiate with time itself. He surrounded himself with yes men
who took his money and probably just nodded along to
his crazy theories.
Speaker 1: He also discussed creating a female via agra with Nathan
Wolfe to.
Speaker 2: Increase female sex tries. Again, it all comes back to
control and exploitation. Even his scientific interests were purely geared
towards making women more available to him. It wasn't about
women's health or well being. It was about his access.
Speaker 1: Which leads us to the codes. Because despite all this power,
despite the arrogance, they knew what they were doing was
illegal and wrong. They knew they had to hide it
in plain sight.
Speaker 2: The language of dehumanization is the very first code referring
to women as it it is arriving. It needs a visa,
not she, not a person.
Speaker 1: It comparing them like commodities, the Moldavian versus the Ukrainian,
like you're comparing vintage wines.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the email where he casually writes, I love
the torture video.
Speaker 1: Got that one stops me cold every single time I
read it.
Speaker 2: We don't know what video. That is is it a movie?
Is it's something real he commissioned, But given everything else
we know, it just chills the blood.
Speaker 1: And then there's the pizza code.
Speaker 2: The word pizza appears over nine hundred times in the communications.
Speaker 1: Pizza and grape soda better than a Chinese cookie.
Speaker 2: Look, maybe the man really liked pizza. But in the
specific context of human trafficking rings, food words are very
often used as code for specific types of victims or acts.
When you see a grown billionaire emailing other powerful men
about pizza and grape soda being better than a Chinese cookie,
you have to suspend disbeliefs entirely to think they're talking
about lunch. It doesn't fit the profile of how these
men speak to each other.
Speaker 1: And the word whoops.
Speaker 2: Appears four hundred times, and not for spilling coffee on
a desk. He used it when reacting to Ritke Junior's
wife being found dead. He used it in the context
regarding permission to kill someone.
Speaker 1: Whoops, like oops, they died, Oh well.
Speaker 2: It displays a sociopathic lack of empathy. It treats human
life and death as a minor clerical error.
Speaker 1: We mentioned the cannibal hook at the start of the show.
On a circle back to that now the restaurant named
Cannibal the Jerky again.
Speaker 2: It could be a trendy, edgy restaurant name, ye, but
combined with the FBI witness reporting acts of sacrifice, it
paints a picture of a group of people pushing the
absolute boundaries of taboo. They were bored with regular luxury.
They wanted to transgress. They wanted to do things that
normal people wouldn't even dream of in their worst nightmares.
Speaker 1: And then there's the theory of the hidden children.
Speaker 2: This is one of the darkest threads we have to pull.
Speaker 1: There's a two thousand and seven email from Gislaane Maxwell.
She gives instructions for an Epstein's sperm sample. This highly
implies a shared child or some sort of surrogacy arrangement, and.
Speaker 2: Sarah Ferguson emailing him congratulating him on a baby boy in.
Speaker 1: The Diary, a victim's journal entry claiming Epstein impregnated her
and the baby was forcibly taken away.
Speaker 2: If true, it means there are living heirs to this
horror out there right now, children who were created as
part of a genetic experiment or a twisted whim and
then removed. It's the ultimate form of treating humans like
manufactured products. Where are these children now? Who raise them?
Speaker 1: Let's move to the end, the final days of this empire,
because for all the science and the immense power, it
did eventually end.
Speaker 2: The art he collected tells the story of the end perfectly.
In his home, there was a table. The legs of
the table were literally statues of crying babies.
Speaker 1: Who buys that? Who puts that in their living room
to look at every day?
Speaker 2: Someone who feeds on misery. There was also a mural
of a naked figure dawning well demons watched. He surrounded
himself with imagery of deep suffering and the demonic. It
wasn't even hidden, it was proudly on display.
Speaker 1: Which brings us to that Bannon interview again. Bannon asked
him straight up, are you the devil himself?
Speaker 2: And Epstein replied no, but I have a good mirror.
Speaker 1: I have a good mirror. That implies he sees the
devil when he looks at his.
Speaker 2: Own reflection, And then he added, the devil scares me.
It's a rare moment of actual vulnerability, or maybe just
pure theatricality. But he knew what he was. He knew
he was the villain of the story and the money.
Speaker 1: The nineteen fifty three trust Karina Shuliac.
Speaker 2: She was listed as the biggest beneficiary, Yeah, fifty million
dollars in cash, real estate, diamonds. She was the last
person he called before he died.
Speaker 1: And other beneficiaries were pilots, his brother and children of
political figures.
Speaker 2: That's the ultimate insurance policy. If I pay your kids,
you can't turn on me. If your children's trust fund
depends entirely on my estate, you're going to protect my
estate at all costs.
Speaker 1: Two weeks before his death, his lawyers met with federal prosecutors.
Speaker 2: He was reportedly ready to finally cooperate. He was looking
at a life sentence in a concrete box, and he
was a man who loved extreme comfort. The working theory
is that he was ready to trade names for a
better sell. He was ready to open the Rolodex, and
then he was dead, And then he was dead, and
the Rolodex did closed. Mostly, So let's wrap this up.
Speaker 1: We've covered the spy cameras and the Kleenex boxes, the
eugenics and the racism, the royal wife hunts the codes
about pizza and sacrifice.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just a rich man behaving badly. It was
a global web. It was systemic blackmail, It was pseudoscience.
It was abuse on an industrial scale. It was a
perfectly oiled machine designed to entrap the world's elite and
feed the boundless ego of one single man.
Speaker 1: And the most terrifying part isn't even what's explicitly in
the files. It's the sheer volume of powerful people who
knew him, emailed him, visited him, And now look at
the cameras and say, I didn't know they knew something.
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't know the absolute worst of it, or
maybe they did, but they knew he was the collector
of people, and they were perfectly happy to be collected
as long as the checks cleared and the parties were wild.
Speaker 1: So here's the question for you listening right now, after
hearing all the details about the hidden cameras, the spy
shot purchases, the Russians may come in handy email, do
you believe Jeffrey Epstein was running a calculated blackmail operation
for a foreign government or was this purely a personal
enterprise of depravity?
Speaker 2: Was he a spy or just a monster, or maybe both.
Speaker 1: Let us know your stand in the comments. We really
want to hear what you think about this one.
Speaker 2: It's a thread that just keeps unraveling.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to thrilling threads. We'll see you next time.