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Speaker 2: couldn't be better considered. We've been talking a lot about
Speaker 2: violence in the Cincinnati. In Greater Cincinnati, Aaron Winer's joining
Speaker 2: the program. Aaron is a member of the Clifton Community Council,
Speaker 2: but he's also running for Cincinnati City Council as a
Speaker 2: charter right erin It's great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me. Good morning and morning Cincinnati, and.
Speaker 2: I will let folks know it's a winer for Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: W E I N E R four f O R
Speaker 2: Cincinnati dot com. That's where you find his campaign website.
Speaker 2: He's also on Facebook. Before we get to what you're
Speaker 2: running on as council and what your vision, excuse me,
Speaker 2: your vision and your priorities are for the for the
Speaker 2: city in your role as a Clifton Community council member,
Speaker 2: you had a bit of a problem on your hands.
Speaker 2: I guess it was this past Sunday, a late night
Speaker 2: with their calling street takeover on Ludlow Avenue. Apparently more
Speaker 2: than eighty people crowd the street, blocking traffic, intimidating people,
Speaker 2: and it got kind of unruly, and so much so
Speaker 2: that my understanding is the there was a fire truck
Speaker 2: that was trying to get out. They couldn't get the
Speaker 2: fire truck out to go on a run. That's kind
Speaker 2: of scary. This came up in your council meeting on Monday,
Speaker 2: did it not?
Speaker 3: Correct? So, first of all, just for the record, I'm
Speaker 3: not on Clifton Town Meeting. I'm a member of the
Speaker 3: Clifton Town Meeting. I'm a Clifton resident, and along Withst. Ty,
Speaker 3: I'm not one of the officers, but i can certainly
Speaker 3: speak to help the issue because I'm very I'm very
Speaker 3: well informed.
Speaker 2: Of course, you are an actively involved, concerned citizen.
Speaker 1: That qualifies you because concern.
Speaker 3: And I'm a member and I'm a member of Clifton
Speaker 3: Town Meeting. So so essentially, let me start with some history.
Speaker 3: So this particular business has been sort of a score
Speaker 3: to the community for quite some time. It started in
Speaker 3: fall of twenty three when Facebook posts have been posted
Speaker 3: for after parties at this business hookah bar.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about the Bohemian hookah cafe, correct, correct.
Speaker 3: So it started in the fall of twenty three. They
Speaker 3: were posting on the Facebook page after parties and they
Speaker 3: first started indoor sort of non nondescript things, which slowly
Speaker 3: turned into pouring into the outdoors and loud dancing and disruption,
Speaker 3: which turned into selling alcohol and other things out of
Speaker 3: the cars and just disruption. So you know, over multiple occasions,
Speaker 3: CTM had reached out and also our business to strict
Speaker 3: we have a Business District Association as well, has engaged
Speaker 3: the police, has engaged city city law apartments, they have
Speaker 3: cameras of it, they have video of it. And each
Speaker 3: time that we've brought this to the attention, you know,
Speaker 3: we can't prove anything. We can't we can't identify people,
Speaker 3: so it's an ongoing thing. Which basically the culmination of
Speaker 3: this was what happened over the fourth of July weekend,
Speaker 3: which was one of these events, which was probably extra
Speaker 3: escalated because it was a holiday. Eighty plus people about
Speaker 3: three forty three thirty in the morning to four o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning, so July, you know, July fifth into
Speaker 3: the sixth, and on Sunday, just the crowd in the street.
Speaker 3: It is true. You know, we have our firehouse right
Speaker 3: there on the street corner of Ludlow and Clifton, and
Speaker 3: that was blocked that they couldn't get out. Police showed up.
Speaker 3: They quickly realized that this is out of hand, certainly,
Speaker 3: I know I not. Tatoes were used and pepper balls
Speaker 3: were used, and they realized that they didn't have enough
Speaker 3: people to actually handle it, called for backup, which was
Speaker 3: not readily available. Imagine that. So it escalated. There were arrests,
Speaker 3: there were guns, and obviously could have been a lot worse.
Speaker 3: There was a felony assault on an officer, and this
Speaker 3: could have been a lot worse. There could have been
Speaker 3: a shooting. There could have who knows where that fire
Speaker 3: truck was going. Where they going to someone's house that
Speaker 3: was having an emergency. You know, we don't really know
Speaker 3: that part of the story yet. So I mean, basically
Speaker 3: this is just sort of a culmination and sort of
Speaker 3: the pinnacle of what was what's been going on in
Speaker 3: the neighborhood. For a good part of almost two years,
Speaker 3: and I think what really sort of the is I
Speaker 3: keep up on the news, and certainly I was out
Speaker 3: of talent actually when this was going on. But it
Speaker 3: was shocked that this happened Sunday and I didn't hear
Speaker 3: about this. No one heard about this until Tuesday when
Speaker 3: the news broke through through our business association CTM. You know,
Speaker 3: why was this not brought out in the news. I mean,
Speaker 3: this just happened in Blue Ash, which was all over
Speaker 3: the news. Yeah, you're right, you know happened. This was
Speaker 3: sort of swept under the rug, and you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't even hear about it as an involved neighbor until
Speaker 3: Tuesday when the news broke Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we've had a real problem, at least collectively, observing
Speaker 2: the reactions of the sincinn City Council and the mayor
Speaker 2: to the lot of the violence that's going on. I mean,
Speaker 2: this isn't the first gang of unruly people who've gathered
Speaker 2: together in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the police. Silence seems
Speaker 2: to be deafening for at least from the Mayor's office
Speaker 2: and from the council members. So maybe this is just
Speaker 2: a concerted effort. It's bad for business, it's bad for marketing.
Speaker 2: It makes the city look bad. It makes Clifton look bad.
Speaker 2: If we find out we got gangs of kids that
Speaker 2: are showing up at three o'clock in the morning outside
Speaker 2: of this hookah bar, partying in the street and waving
Speaker 2: guns around, and maybe they just want to sleep it
Speaker 2: under the rug. I'm left to speculate on that aerin.
Speaker 2: But this Bohemian hookah cafe, according to Channel nine, they're
Speaker 2: open between four pm and four am every day, that
Speaker 2: is past bar closure time. They're not a they don't
Speaker 2: have a liquor license. But don't the bars in the
Speaker 2: in the Clifton area and your community close at two
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: That's correct, that's correct. I mean I think some action
Speaker 3: might even close earlier, depending on the traffic that that
Speaker 3: they received that night.
Speaker 2: Sure, so the Bohemian Huko cafe not having a liquor license,
Speaker 2: but apparently drawing the attention of a bunch of people
Speaker 2: that want to hang out there, that's how you end
Speaker 2: up having alcohol being sold out of cars because it's
Speaker 2: past bar open time. But if there's an opportunity to
Speaker 2: make a little money and people are going to continue
Speaker 2: to want to drink. That's obviously that's going to happen,
Speaker 2: or at least seems logical that it's happening.
Speaker 3: It's correct, it's an attractive nuisance. Realized what it is.
Speaker 1: So are they going to close down? I saw that the.
Speaker 2: Reporting indicated that the owner of the establishment's building is
Speaker 2: trying to evict the Bohemian hooka cafe as the city
Speaker 2: helped along those lines. Have they been identified as a
Speaker 2: nuisance business yet?
Speaker 1: Is? Are we moving in that direction?
Speaker 3: As far as far as I know, that has not
Speaker 3: been identified and that's not been part of that equation.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think certainly the landlord has has recourse
Speaker 3: with their own process, But as far as we're the stars,
Speaker 3: I'm concerned there really has not been much of an
Speaker 3: effort yet through the city.
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, now that it's made the news eron
Speaker 2: and it's and you obviously have been aware of it
Speaker 2: living in the neighborhood. You've talked about the videos that
Speaker 2: have been shown to the police in the past and all,
Speaker 2: we can't identify who that is, but that doesn't suggest
Speaker 2: that it isn't happening. Look, there's the crowd of people.
Speaker 2: I know, we can't figure out who's in that crowd,
Speaker 2: but look what's going on all the time. It seems
Speaker 2: to me the natural reaction will be to post to
Speaker 2: have a broader, larger police presence right there outside of
Speaker 2: the hookah bar uh to keep people from congregating and
Speaker 2: engaging in this kind of activity.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that would that would probably be helpful.
Speaker 3: I mean, and certainly in the past we have you know,
Speaker 3: they've certainly gone, but they just say they can't they
Speaker 3: can't prove it, they can't find, you know, what they're
Speaker 3: doing driven by before. But again, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: certainly if the presence would there's no substitute for an
Speaker 3: after deterrence, and that's that's having the police presence, you know,
Speaker 3: during during the situation.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: And what is concerning about this is that maybe the
Speaker 2: most logical and simplest solution just get a whole bunch
Speaker 2: more officers up there to keep them from engaging in
Speaker 2: criminal activity otherwise blocking the street to the fire department.
Speaker 2: But as you pointed out, the police that were there
Speaker 2: appreciated that they were overwhelmed by the numbers, were probably
Speaker 2: afraid given the number of people there called for backup,
Speaker 2: which wasn't immediately available, So we run into that problem
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: Aaron.
Speaker 2: The police are already working multiple overtime hours. They're short staff.
Speaker 2: I think they're down one hundred and fifty plus. They've
Speaker 2: got more people every day who are announcing early retirement.
Speaker 2: I talked to the FLP president about on the program
Speaker 2: earlier this week, and that's a frightening thing. And I
Speaker 2: know part of your campaign plan for running for Cincny
Speaker 2: City Council is expanding the number of officers and increasing
Speaker 2: the classes, but that takes a while to accomplish. So
Speaker 2: we're dealing with the real police shortage here is really
Speaker 2: what this comes down to.
Speaker 3: Correct, Correct, My understanding is we're about nine hundred and
Speaker 3: chains and we should be about twelve hundred and chains
Speaker 3: to sort of meet the requirements for pody of our size.
Speaker 2: Well, Aaron, you want to talk about your campaign, we'll
Speaker 2: bring you back and dive on into some of the
Speaker 2: platform you're running on.
Speaker 1: Aaron Winer, that's correct, Let's thank you. So let's do that. So, Pa,
Speaker 1: let's pause.
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Speaker 2: winer for Cincinnati City Council. Aaron, what of your priorities
Speaker 2: and I appreciate your priorities public safety and law enforcement
Speaker 2: along the lines of what we've been talking about youth
Speaker 2: violence and crime prevention. Quite often these roving gangs include
Speaker 2: a bunch of underage young people. How they are out
Speaker 2: in how they get away with being out at three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, That to me seems a family issue.
Speaker 2: But we do have a curfew. And one thing I
Speaker 2: learned from the FOP president other's on Lawenform. They don't
Speaker 2: even bother picking them up for truancy violations because nothing
Speaker 2: is ever done. There's no room at the end in
Speaker 2: terms of locking them up overnight, and the judicial system
Speaker 2: usually just dismisses the case outright, just no, done, We're
Speaker 2: gonna let them go. So how do we solve that problem?
Speaker 2: Because that's a critical leg of the criminal justice system
Speaker 2: is punishment. It acts as a deterrence to others. They're
Speaker 2: know they're going to get in trouble if they do something,
Speaker 2: and it also punishes the person who broke the law.
Speaker 2: If you take that out, I say, you basically destroyed
Speaker 2: the concept of law enforcement.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, So I mean I think first of all,
Speaker 3: it starts by by saying that unfortunately, we can't parent
Speaker 3: everyone's child. And I think it does. It does start
Speaker 3: it in the home, and there's certainly there's certainly lots
Speaker 3: of nuances to that that I.
Speaker 1: Do agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think we need we can't have law as if
Speaker 3: we don't enforce them. I mean, truancy is an important
Speaker 3: part of that, and I think that should be followed
Speaker 3: up on. And it starts and it's it's there. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's if you start catching things early, it prevents
Speaker 3: things that happen later. And I think it does. It
Speaker 3: does boil down to consequences. I think you know, growing up,
Speaker 3: we learned that if if if you did act, then
Speaker 3: why could happen? Absolutely and why why could could be
Speaker 3: the worst case possible. So we learned that we just
Speaker 3: didn't do that, or you know, if we got away
Speaker 3: with it once, great, but it probably won't happen again.
Speaker 2: I know, just thinking of my day my late father
Speaker 2: and mother or my mom is still with us. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they did not abide this kind of behavior.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 2: If they found me that I was at at three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning hanging out with a gang, uh
Speaker 2: and maybe getting perhaps of being a victim of a
Speaker 2: drive by shooting, trust me, there would be hell to
Speaker 2: pay in my house.
Speaker 3: Right absolutely. And again it's not it's not that I'm
Speaker 3: not for I mean, I know that some of the
Speaker 3: things that we're doing in the city or are providing
Speaker 3: programs and so forth, and and it's not that I'm
Speaker 3: against that. I do think, you know, certain certain programs
Speaker 3: that are doing are good. But that's really not. That's
Speaker 3: a social problem. That's not that's that's that's a social fix,
Speaker 3: that's not a law enforcement fix. So while I'm for
Speaker 3: some of that, it's not it's not it's not the solution.
Speaker 3: It's certainly and certainly kids do need things to do.
Speaker 3: We can't go to King's Island anymore under a certainty.
Speaker 1: So I get it.
Speaker 3: There's you know, there's there's things that I could have
Speaker 3: done as a kid that maybe people can't do now.
Speaker 3: So I totally get that. But still it does it
Speaker 3: does boil down to if X happens, then why will
Speaker 3: happen as well? And I do think we do need
Speaker 3: to take take this seriously and actually have consequences. And
Speaker 3: you know, you know, the magistrates can't just release someone
Speaker 3: back if they've gone to trouble. Let's let's let's have
Speaker 3: a plan that that does have some consequences, does take
Speaker 3: away you know, some freedoms for a while. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: hopefully that curbs the problem.
Speaker 2: Another thing I see on your list of priorities, and
Speaker 2: this is going to put a small lot of my
Speaker 2: listeners faces. Repealing connected communities ran into this. It's as
Speaker 2: if the city council does not care about the local
Speaker 2: nature of the different neighborhoods that are in the city
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. We saw this unfold with bond Hill Hyde Park.
Speaker 2: They first shove connected communities as a zoning concept on
Speaker 2: all of the neighborhoods without consulting them and regardless of
Speaker 2: whether or not they were interested in it, and then
Speaker 2: offer waivers to connected developers like in Hyde Park to
Speaker 2: go outside of connected communities and build whatever it is
Speaker 2: these developers won. Now that's going to be at least
Speaker 2: on the ballot this fall, and I think there's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of people voting in favor of that.
Speaker 2: But you just like to repeal the whole connecting communities concept.
Speaker 3: Correct, Well, let me start with the genesis of my campaign,
Speaker 3: which is very much in line with what you've just said,
Speaker 3: is that I'm sitting here right now in my office
Speaker 3: on Hyde Park Square, and I've been my business has
Speaker 3: been here for over twenty years, and my particular office
Speaker 3: is part of that at the center of the controversial development.
Speaker 3: And that's sort of what is what has to think
Speaker 3: about Rene for cons Council for a long time. But
Speaker 3: that's sort of what catapulted me into jumping into the race,
Speaker 3: because all of a sudden, I became a stakeholder in this,
Speaker 3: in this in this this large issue, so to get
Speaker 3: to get back to connected communities, and obviously I'm in
Speaker 3: real estate, so I'm sitting in my real estate office
Speaker 3: I'm for development. I've been around for all the genres
Speaker 3: of development in Cincinnati, from when they were building the
Speaker 3: comments of the in the Central Business District to Gate
Speaker 3: Recorder to OTR to Main Street to Walna Hill. I've
Speaker 3: been involved in all of them. I'm for development right.
Speaker 3: What I'm against are a couple things. The first thing is,
Speaker 3: you know, we have we are a unique city of
Speaker 3: Hill of Hills and the River. To have a one
Speaker 3: size fits all brushstroke across the city does not make
Speaker 3: sense to me. If you get in your car and
Speaker 3: you drive from College Hill down the Lower Side and
Speaker 3: in the Clifton and each neighborhood has different needs, So
Speaker 3: why would we have a brushstroke across the whole city?
Speaker 3: Is a one size fits all? You know, getting getting
Speaker 3: back to Clifton where this where this whole incident happened,
Speaker 3: we were talking about. You know, one of the things
Speaker 3: we didn't talk about is there's apartment buildings all around
Speaker 3: there that are getting that we're involved. There's density in Clifton.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: But my point is, My point is is that each
Speaker 3: neighborhood has their own needs. So to just put a
Speaker 3: brushstroke across the entire city, to me, without consideration of
Speaker 3: the individual needs of the community, with bad legislation, which
Speaker 3: is another reason why I wanted to use my experience
Speaker 3: as a real tour to have these discussions bout development
Speaker 3: and these touch issues and be the adult in the
Speaker 3: room that's we're discussing them. I believe in the city
Speaker 3: and I want to make sure that we preserve the architecture.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why fifty movies have been filmed and
Speaker 3: since and now you're over the last several years, over
Speaker 3: the last many years. It's our architecture, it's our character.
Speaker 3: You know, that's an asset we.
Speaker 1: Need to pigs.
Speaker 2: Aaron Wyner, speaking my language, I appreciate what you have
Speaker 2: to say. I really strongly encourage my Cincinnati listeners to
Speaker 2: get over to your website and learn more about what
Speaker 2: you stand for some really good priorities here. Aaron, it's
Speaker 2: Weiner for Cincinnati dot com erin. You're welcome on the
Speaker 2: show and we'll talk again, hopefully between now and this
Speaker 2: fall and the election. I wish you all the best
Speaker 2: of luck, sir.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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