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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host. DJ leaves all right,

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amidst all of the mayhem going on with spring break,

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with college basketball, that we got boxing. We got everything

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you would want right now in the world of sports.

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Let's add some boxing to it. Shawie. It is the

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big fight. We can't preview pod, but we're also going

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to recap a couple of fights in a few moments.

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I'm the somewhat capable host. TJ Reeves. My insider Dan

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Rayfield so fired up from what he saw as we

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do this on Thursday in the Japanese world title card

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in Japan, including the Taraji main event. He wanted to

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do the podcast two hours ago. I'm like, big Dan,

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I got to get off the air on the other

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stuff that I do for college basketball and then we

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can get to it. I heard that laugh, Dan Rayfield,

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our insider is here. Fight Freaks Unite, the substack and

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the newsletter Man. We got a lot to get to

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recap mode from midweek, including a Keith Thurman knockout preview

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of fights. Nick Ball in action as the IBF Featherweight

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Champion coming up.

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Speaker 2: WA featherweight champion WBA Featherweight.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot. We got a lot going on

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here on the program. Thank you for finding us, rate us,

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my friend, Let's get into it in the recap mode.

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Let's back up to Wednesday. We did talk about it.

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Let into it, and Keith Thurman delivered a knockout in

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a contender fight at junior middleweight, went all the way

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to Australia from Florida and Ko brock Jarvis fairly quickly.

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What were your impressions and what is likely next?

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Speaker 2: Well, my impressions were welcome back. I mean Keith is

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good for the game. I mean he's fun to watch.

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He's got a great personality. He's willing to fight anybody.

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And the only issues there have been with Keith Thurman

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is the act. The inactivity basically due to injuries, not

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entirely but mostly so. He's fought vveryous sporadically over the

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last number of years. I mean, you have to go

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all the way back, but I did have the two

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fights in twenty nineteen, which is still now. You know,

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several years ago. But before that, you know, it had

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been a while since he was a truly active act.

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The fighter. One fight in twenty sixteen, one, nothing in

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twenty eighteen, the two I mentioned in twenty nineteen, nothing

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in twenty nothing in twenty one, one fight in twenty two,

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and now finally back in the groove, nothing in twenty four.

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Back in the groove here in twenty five. We know

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about what happened last year with the injury before the

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fight that was supposed to be against him, Zoo had

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to pull out, you know, less than two weeks before

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the fight. So he's like just a round once in

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a while. But when he's in the ring, he's really

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fun to watch and like I said, great personality. So

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I was really happy to see him back in the action.

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Seems like everything is good health wise. I have not

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heard anything since the fight ended against brock Jarvis that

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there's any kind of injury, so that's a good thing.

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But look as far as the fight goes. Knocked him

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out in the third round. Little rusty in the first round,

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totally understandable, totally acceptable. Landed some very stiff right hands,

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but took several shots, was backed up in the ropes

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and Jarvis, who was really just a straight brawler with

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not much skill, was all over him and landed some

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very solid shots. Keith took him. He's aways had a

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good chin. Now he's fighting at one fifty four. But

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Jarvis really, you know, made most of his career at

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one hundred and forty pounds, so it wasn't like there

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was a much bigger guy than him or anything like that.

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But after the first round, which was a very exciting round,

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you know, Keith just started to take over, started to

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do his thing, tagging with shots and eventually third round,

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beautiful combination, multiple punches, like four shots in a row, upper.

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Speaker 1: Kid, left, upper cut. Oh yeah, a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: Really really good shot put Brock Jarvis on the canvas.

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You got to tip your cap to Jarvis for even

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being able to get up from that knockdown. He did

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get up. The referee let the fight go. I thought

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that letting it go was okay. And then two more

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or three more shots and boom and he's on the

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deck and the fight's over and he's out. And you know,

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it was a big win for Keith because not only

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was his return from three plus years out of the ring.

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He's on the other guy's home turf in his hometown

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in Sydney, Australia. Not only does he win, he scores

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his first knockout since two thousand. I had to look

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this up. He had had a knockout since twenty fifteen

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of five. I was ringside for in your neck of

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the woods. Again, it's Louis Calaso.

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Speaker 1: We were both We were both in the Old Sun

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Dome in Tampa that night separately. We hadn't even met

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each other. Ten years ago was the last ko.

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Speaker 2: But he's only had a handful of fights since the

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so but yeah, so he found that, you know that

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the joke had become you know, Keith one time. His

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nickname was one Time because of the knockouts, but he

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became Keith sometime because he wasn't fighting he you know,

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no time because he.

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Speaker 1: Was he's not enough of the time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he had had a knockout in years. So just

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checked all the box, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: So he wins in Australia and they do try to

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line these things up. What is that set up now.

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Speaker 2: Well, it sets up at tim Zuo fight, no doubt.

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Tim Zoo was their ringside as one of the commentators

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on the main event pay per view, which we can

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watch this live. It was geo block pretty much everywhere

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except in the United States. It was available for free

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the actual simulcast of their pay per view on the

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PBC's YouTube channel, so people missed it, they can still

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go watch, not just taped out but the whole card anyway.

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They had tim Zo ringside along with Sean Porter and

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the rest of the regulars from a main event in

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Australia who do a good job with their boxing coverage,

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and tim Zoo was getting his first look at Keith

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Thurman up close and personal. And the end of the day,

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he's got a fight coming up next month in April.

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He's taken on the American Joey Spencer, so they've set

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it up nicely. Keith went to Australia knocked out in

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Australia as an American fighter. He got Timsoo, the Australian

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popular star, though coming off back to back defeats, still

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has popularity. He's in with an American fighter who's going

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to be a big underdog. He's supposed to do the

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job and if he does the job in April, and

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Keith is good to go and he's good to go.

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They're going to fight each other most likely in July

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sometime this summer, and that'll be at what it would

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have been before when it was that Tim had still

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had the title and even though Keith was coming off

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of a lesser layoff. But remember also when Keith Thurman

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was fighting Tim Zoo before he suffered the injury, that

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was a one hundred and fifty five pound non title

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fight because the WBO would not sanction Thurman to be

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in the title fight because of his inactivity level, the

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fact that he had never fought at one hundred and

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fifty four pounds was not ranked by the WBO, so

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that was not going to be a championship fight. So

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it lost a little bit of luster given the time off,

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the injury and Tim getting you know, two losses in

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a row, particularly the bad knockout loss that he took

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in October when he lost to Martazoliv challenging him for

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his belt. But I'm down for Zoo and Thermo. I'm

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telling you, personality wise, these guys can talk. They're going

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to build up the fight and it's going to be

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a tremendous battle in the ring. Both guys make super exciting,

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entertaining fights. So it may not be World championship boxy,

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and I couldn't care less. I want to see that fight,

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especially after seeing Thurman display the power he did granted

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against a much less in Jarvis, But uh, you know,

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boxing is fucking entertainment. I don't need it to be

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all pound for pound shit and world titles stuff. You

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give me a good fight between guys who I know,

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who I've seen, who have stories, who have personalities and

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can fight their asses off and make fun fights. You

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sign me up for that all day long. And this

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is that kind of fight.

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Speaker 1: Can be that compelling and one time is back. Now,

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let's see if Zoo does his part. Can we have

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good things? Can we have good things later this summer?

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get good things.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned well, he's gotta stay healthy and I love

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me some one time.

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Speaker 2: I think he's okay though he's come out of fighting.

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They got to do it through the camp, but knock

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on wood, I think you know, hopefully you can get

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Speaker 1: You know that's not all in the recap mode. Before

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we get to the nick Ball preview for the WBA,

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FE have the waight title h this Taraji Akooie fight.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of.

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Speaker 1: All, I have to swat you, all right. I have

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my own mayhem going on in my house with the

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twins and trying to get them to school on Thursday morning.

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I don't know what time it is or where I

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am because I was in Indianapolis doing college basketball two

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nights earlier. I'm trying to scramble and get to Atlantic

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City for college basketball.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: I get back in after taking them to school. I'm

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trying to watch in semi real time the Taraji fight.

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And it's a great action fight, and I'm in like

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the sixth round time displaced on ESPN Plus and who

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is texting me? I cash the Karaji the Taraji ko

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in the twelfth round, but Dan Rayfield bro, I.

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Speaker 2: Was worried about that he got the ko in like

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a bro.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying, okay, So now I know that I don't

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know you're watching. Now. I know that Taraji's knocked him

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out in the twelfth round, and I got a scan ahead.

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So this was Thursday morning, US time, Thursday night in Japan.

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Wild fight. Pick it up from here and Taraji gets

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the ko while behind on the cards. Late in the fight.

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Speaker 2: This was a spectacular fucking fight. I know we're only

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in March, I get it, but we've seen this before

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plenty of times. Doesn't matter. It could be December, January,

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beginning of the end of the year, middle of year, whatever.

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This one hundred percent, one hundred percent is gonna be

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in the conversation for the fight of the year. It

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may not win, you know, there may be something comes along,

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and I mean it wouldn't shock me, frankly if there was.

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But there's no doubt that this is a special kind

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of fight these two guys. From the opening bell was

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like watching a video game and they were just winging

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away to each other, but not without skill. I mean

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Taraji dig into the body, right hands a Kui's, some

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subtle moves, some good body shots also, you know, a

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stiff jab. You know, it was a really really good fight,

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superb fight, two champions, rare all Japanese unification, and Taraji

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spoke about that in the comments after the fight, about

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that aspect of it. I think that made it even

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more special for those guys. A unification fight is a

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big deal when it's so rare in a country like Japan,

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where they have such a great boxing tradition and history.

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I think it's even more meaningful. I'm gonna tell you

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right now that win, in the way he did it

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and the stakes that were there for Taraji, I thought

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this before this fight. He's already in my mind been

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like a borderline Hall of famer. I think he's probably

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cashed his ticket with that kind of victory. This is

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a guy now who was sixteen and one with eleven

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knockouts and bonafid world championship fights. The one loss in

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a world title fight. He avenged by knockout in an

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immediate rematch against Yabuki to regain the WBC title in

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the junior flyweight division. He's gone up to fly weight.

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He scored now knockouts and winning the title against a

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former world champion in Christopher Rosales. He has defended the

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title and unified with a knockout against a Koui in

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a fight of the AAR contender. And you can go

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back and look at his resume. He's got a lot

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of good names on that resume for those small weight classes.

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He's a very exciting He's a combination right now to

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me in terms of his ability, his resume, his exciting style,

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one of the most exciting and entertaining guys in the sport.

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But the combination of entertainment value and how good he is,

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he really can do pretty much everything, and he's got

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such a reservoir of just desire and balls and heart

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and shorted a Kooi in this fight, and there was

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a thousand times these guys could have wilted, and he

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Speaker 1: And so let's pick it up on that because he

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did not know how far he was behind on the

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cards or not. But he hurt a Koui in the

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eleventh round, and I thought, I thought maybe it was

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gonna put him down, and a Kooi kind of came back,

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and then in the twelfth they're bombing each other. Kooi

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got hurt by an upper cut. Taraji was scoring with

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the right upper cut and with the right hand left

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eye swelling shot. Did you agree, I mean, I know

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the referee leaping in it?

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Speaker 2: When I when I first saw it, I was sort

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of like, to me, it was like borderline, but that

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had been such a hard, hard fight. The referees right there. Yeah,

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when he merged from the stoppage with blood all over

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his shirt and the referee so Kui was bleeding from

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somewhere and he was will thing. So I can't really

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argue it. I mean, was it the greatest stoppage I

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ever saw? No, But I didn't see a Koui complaining

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about it. You know, the body language he.

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Speaker 1: Was, look Wolan left badly in this.

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Speaker 2: Type of violent fight and the things that they did

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to each other for those elemenus rounds, I'd err on

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the side of caution that that's the stoppage. I can't

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really argue. Now here's the thing about it, and this

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is what makes it so special and was so dramatic.

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And we've talked about this before term time Dak Foster

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when he defended the title against EDWARDO Hernandez down in Mexico,

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the fight that we saw early last year between Raymond

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Ford and Komotov. Here's a fight where you have a

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world championship fight and it's only the sixteenth time. I

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went back and looked because I have kept records. My

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good friend and everybody's favorite Hall of Fame broadcaster the

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legendary Steve Farhood. I came up with this list. I've

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kept it and been adding to it as time has

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gone on. This is another reason why when I talk

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about the type of accomplishments of a tragy for potential

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Hall of Fame candidacy in the history of boxing. Behind

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on points going to the last round, whether it's round

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fIF teen, round twelve, round twenty, whatever it was, this

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is only the sixteenth time in history that the fighter

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trailing in a world championship fight entering the final round

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won the fight by a knockout. I was looking at

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the official scorecards which people can see. I have posted

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it on my on my social media on my Twitter

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slash x. Going into round number twelve, Akui was ahead

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one five to one oh four on two score cards yep,

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and Taraju has had one six one oh three on

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the other. So he needed at least knockdowns, if not

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the knockout to win the fight, and he did it

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in very dramatically.

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Speaker 1: Ten to nine round four. Taraji is a draw if

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it comes to that, so he had to have a

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knockdown and win the round or knock him out.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do the math, but I'll take your work. Y.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's down one point on two of the cards,

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so a ten to nine win in the final round

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by Taraji's not good enough to get the decision win.

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He got the knockout. So the other thing.

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Speaker 2: About it, though, you mentioned about how he didn't know

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the scores. Yes, I believe they were using open scoring,

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that we didn't see it or hear it what the

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cards were on the ESPN, plus they were taken into

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the studio from Japan. But the way that that is

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conducted is after round four and round eight they give

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the open scores. Now I'm not entirely sure because it

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was a unification if the WBA approved that or not,

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But if they were using the open scoring, you would

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have known how tight the fight was after round eight.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, the announcers in the eleventh round were saying,

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we don't know how close is stated right now because

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I didn't have the info right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not sure about that. But in Japan

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usually those types of fights in WBC would have open scoring.

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But the point is regardless of open scoring or not.

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what the scores were after nine to ten and eleven,

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And all I know is if you like boxing, you

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need to watch this fucking fight, because I don't care

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if you don't like, you know, boring fights. I get

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that this is not that. This is a just a

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really really top level.

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Speaker 1: Go back and dial it ESPN Plus from Thursday. Don't

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just take our word for it. It's still there. Go

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see Taraji's main event.

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Speaker 2: I'm all messed up, Tea. You I've been waking up early.

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Speaker 1: I understand. I'm messed up too. You were having breakfast

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with the Japanese. I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: No, I wasn't in breakfast. I was laying in bed

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with my sleep patch still on, watching on my fucking phone.

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Speaker 1: All right, the other two wins were in title fights. Uh,

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give me the give me the breakdown of the other

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two wins real quick, and then we're going to move

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on to the preview mode on the Japanese card from Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, nothing that we saw on the undercard

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compares to what we saw in the main event. But

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there were, like you mentioned the word, two other world

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title bouts. He had Anthony Ala Squaga, who won a

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twelve round decision over the former Junior flyweight champion. He

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wrote to kay Gucci that was to retain the WBO

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Flyway title. Obviously, if you're Ali Squagua and you're fighting

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in a flyway title defense on the other app where

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the main event is a unification fight in the flyweight division.

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Depending on what Taraji wants to do, he may want

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to move up to the next weight class. There was

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a sort of a discussion about that as a possibility.

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He's also ain't getting any younger. He's thirty three. Maybe

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he wants to go for another unification. Point is that

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fight is now set up that they if they wanted

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to and Taraji's interested, they can make a three belt

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unification with Alis Squadua. Look, he won a close fight.

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I didn't think the one score that was one hundred

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and eighteen to one oh nine seemed a little overly

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generous for Alis Gaga, which.

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Speaker 1: Been a while since we've had one of those in

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a world title fight. But there it is again.

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Speaker 2: But it was a competitive fight. Look, he did get

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a knockdout in the eleventh round. He landed a nice

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shot and he forced the uh the Kaya Gucci to

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take a knee, so that did obviously assist him in

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terms of the scoring, and you know, kay Gucci was

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was was aggressive like he always is, but just not accurate,

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kind of ragged listen. He was a good fighter in

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his day and he had some big time fights, but

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he's sort of I think past his best days unfortunately

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for him at this point. But that was that. Like Alis,

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by the great Rudy Hernandez. He shares the trainer with

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Jonto Nakatani, and he's he's well schooled and he doesn't

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have a lot of professional experience, but he's no joke.

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I mean, this is a guy who's come a long

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way in a short period of time, and he's been

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he's found a home in Japan. He's a he's a

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kid from la but you know, which is where Rudy

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is based. But he fights on a regular basis in

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Japan because he's with Teaking and with mister Honda, and

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so that's where he's kind of found a home and

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he's made a living in the last you know, a

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couple of years on these Japanese undercards and he's done

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a pretty good job in those fights. Remember when Kaya Gucci,

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who he beat today. His biggest fight, he got stopped

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back a couple of years ago by Taraji when they

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met in a light flyweight unification fight. So Taraji, by

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the way, has now unified titles at one hundred and

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eight pounds and now we today unified the titles, you know,

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in that way we're talking about in the in the

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in the flyweight division. So he's done some great things

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in the sport. In terms of the other title fight

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that was on the card, again, the Taraji was a

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great fight against h you know, against Akui Alaskagua. Solid fight,

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nothing that you're gonna like necessarily be raving about for

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years to come. And then the other fight, you know,

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very pedestrian. Being honest, I didn't even see the entire fight.

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I kind of was in and out of consciousness when

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that one was on. That was Renee Santiago from Puerto Rico,

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a journeymanish kind of fighter who's now fourteen and four

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with nine knockouts. He won a decision over Iwada to

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win the WBO's Junior flyway title. You know, pedestrian decision,

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not much to write about talk about. It was a

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fast paced kind of fight, but every round was sort

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of the same from what I saw, you know, it

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was what it was.

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Speaker 1: Santiago will get a better pay day now that he's

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a world champ.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt on the belt.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that, all right. So that was

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a bevy of fights on Thursday. So he had Wednesday

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and Thursday, midweek action Australia to japanj.

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Speaker 2: Not just midwek. But shit, that's at like six o'clock

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in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I understand, And we're trying to make it all work

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with the college basketball and everything else that's happening. Traveling

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spring break coming here, there's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be that's your problem.

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Speaker 1: God, I know, well Florida for spring break. It's gonna

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be on coming up, all right. So speaking of it's

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on coming up, let's talk about Saturday in the preview mode.

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It is a preview pot after all. Nick Ball WBA

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featherweight champ, back defending in his hometown of Liverpool, England,

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big fan favorite, kind of a squat fighter, smaller featherweight muscular.

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Kej Dohaney my namesake is the name that we've seen

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in in a couple of significant fights. But this is

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this is a fight where Nick Ball at Home should roll.

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What are your thoughts in the preview mode here Saturday

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afternoon US time, Saturday night in the UK.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't. I don't disagree with that. I mean it

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is you know, go back to twenty four he had

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that really close draw where he was challenging Ray Vargas

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for the WBC title. A lot of people thought he

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won the fight. That was one of the fights that

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took place on a big show in Saudi Arabia. It

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was very disappointed he didn't get the nod in that fight,

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but he came back and he looked really good and

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he won a unanimous decision against Raymond Ford or I

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take that back a split decision uggause Raymond Ford. Remember

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that was on the five on five card, that was

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Matt Fighters against Queensberry Fighters, and that was a good fight.

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He won the belt and now he's in the midst

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of his defenses. He's not fighting the absolute elite of

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the division. He hasn't had a unification fight just yet.

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They Matt Queensberry did the right thing. They took him

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home to Liverpool in October. He fought the veteran contender

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who's been a good fighter for a long time, but

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kind of near the end in Ronnie Rios and he

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stopped him, and now they're doing a similar thing. They're

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taking on TJ. Dohaney, who has been a title holder

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in the smaller weight class. He is coming off of

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being knocked out in the seventh round challenging Noya in

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a way for his title at one hundred and twenty

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two pounds, So not only is he moving up, but

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he's coming off a KO loss. He's kind of seen

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better days again. It should be a good fight to

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watch while it lasts, but in the end, you know,

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nick Ball is a heavy favorite in this fight. One

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of the interesting elements of this is this is the

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final it's on his own in the United States, but

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in the UK where this fight is taking place. This

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is the final main event of the contract that Queensberry

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Promotions has had for the last several years with TNT

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Sports in the UK, and when this is over, their

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next show they will commence in April with their new

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multi year deal to be exclusive to his own not

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only in England but all around the world. So that's

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sort of this is the bookend of that particular contract,

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so that's the main event there but Nick Ball, whatever

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you think about Dohaney as the opponent, you know, Nick

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Ball kind of like Taraji in some respects one of

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the more entertaining, exciting smaller weight fighters in the sport

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to watch. He always brings it and I love watching

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Speaker 1: All right, So we're interested in what he does Saturday

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afternoon here in the preview mode for us in the

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United States. Now, let's move to the match room show

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not far from me in Orlando again, Rayfhel, I'm gone

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or I might have been at this matchroom card about

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seventy miles away from me in Orlando, where Austin Ammo

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Williams is back headlining in the middleweight main event, Edgar

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Berlanga on the other card on the undercard in the

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co feature, back off the loss to Canelo Lalvarez where

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he quitted himself well even though he lost. And then

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Omari Jones, the prospect that you talked to the US Olympian.

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He's making his debut on this card. So three fights

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that were interested in preview away on Saturday night in

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the United States on Dezonne in Orlando, Florida.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see Omari Jones's pro debut. You know,

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people could hear the interview on the previous podcast one

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of the last episode or two, because it always good

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to see the young guys come into the pros and

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what they look like and how they handle themselves under

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that spotlight, which is different than the Olympic spotlight. So

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there's that, and then the rest of the card is

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very pedestrian. It's kind of meant to me. I'm not

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saying that a Mario joneses some legendary matchup, and just

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I have a personal interest in watching the Olympians have

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their pro debuts. Berlanga is in a complete mismatch in

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my opinion. And the reality here is this, this is

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his last fight with match from boxing. They originally were

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going to have him be the main event in Puerto

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Rico and they couldn't work out the money and so

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they basically agreed to take a much smaller amount of

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money to be the co feature and he'll be free

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agent after this fight. So Edgar is going into the market.

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He should do so again. Jonathan Gonzalez Ortiz, who was

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his opponent, is an undefeated fighter, but as no particular

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he's thirty five years old, he has no wins of

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even remote consequence on his record. It's I mean, on paper,

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this looks like the get well fight for Berlin, who,

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like you said, he quitted himself very well in the

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fight against Canelo Alvarez, where a lot of people thought

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he was gonna get blown out in a couple of rounds,

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and he went twelve rounds against Canelo. He did get

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dropped in the third round, but he gave it a

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heck of a run, and he had a couple of

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moments in the fight and this and that. You know

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he lost to fight, but so this is the comeback fight.

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Mattrim has not done anything to promote his out because

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they know he's a free agent, so I think there's

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some issues there. Berlang has been speaking out about it

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and feels like he's been treated badly blah blah blah.

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So he's interesting to watch, but I mean, I don't

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think there's gonna be a whole lot of competition in

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that particular matchup. Then you got the main event of

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the Austin M. L. Williams, the middleweight he's taken on

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Patrise Voney. The fact that an Austin Williams Patrise Voney

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fight would qualify as a main event on any channel.

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It's sort of weird today. I mean, I mean, as

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I was being honest, I'm not knocking Amma Williams. He's

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still a good young fighter coming up. He's only got

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the one loss. He went eleven rounds before he got

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stopped against Hamsa Shiraz, also on the five v five card.

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He did rebound and scored a victory on a droont

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Ennis undercard back in November, stopped his opponent in the

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in the fifth round, and now he's taken on Vooney. Now.

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Vonney is based out of Canada. He's nineteen and one.

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He's a Montreal fighter. I remember seeing him fight in

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person one time when he fighted Skeevia Falco and it

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was just got awful for five rounds. So it was

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a technical decision, you know. I mean, Williams is the favorite,

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I guess, but honestly, compared to Nick Ball, compared to

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what I saw with the excitement of what Thurman did,

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compared to the incredible action of the Taragi fight. You

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know what, I'll watch the show because that's what I

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do from my job, how I make a living tor

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and to observe these events but I can't sit here

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and tell you with truthfulness that I have a lot

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of excitement level for this particular card.

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Speaker 1: It is there, we are in the preview.

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Speaker 2: We keep it real.

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Speaker 1: We do keep it real, and I agree with you

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that would that be a main event and a lot

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of other situations. It is this, and you do have Berlanga,

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and you do have Omari Jones on that card coming

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up Saturday night in Orlando, and that does lead us

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now to the news, and there's a lot of it

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involving Naoya in a way, as we've been saying, he

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is coming on what is Cinco de Mayo weekend, the

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first weekend of May. He's going to fight on the

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Sunday of that weekend, all right, So enlightened me on

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that news. You've learned something about the co feature fight

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as well, and the rest of in a way schedule.

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So the monster we're gonna he's gonna stay busy here

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in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is not unexpected. What's what I

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guess was not entirely expected originally, but it became evident

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they were going to do this as haveing fight on

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the Sunday. I don't know if it's because Canelo is

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fighting on the Saturday, and that's going to take up

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a lot of the even though that's in Saudi Arabia.

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But Baal, I know is gonna be a huge boxing

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weekend because if he got in a way on Sunday,

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one of the best pound for pound fighters in the

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world coming back to the United States, where he hasn't

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fought for the last few years. He's only this will

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be his fourth fight in the United States. And on

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the Saturday, you got Canelo Alvarez, the face of boxing,

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who's going to be on in Saudi Arabia. But they're

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timing it so it's in prime time in America as

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opposed to most of the Saudi cards, which take place,

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you know, in the morning all the way through into

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the early evening. And then on Friday night in New

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York City in times where he got the triple header

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that Turkey is also doing, which is a Ryan Garcia

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against Roly Romero, and obviously he got the other fights

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on there with Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez, and obviously

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the other fight which is the most interesting it seems

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to me, which is Barbosa challenging Ti Fimo Lopez anyway,

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Big boxing weekend and the caps off with Annoya anyway.

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So look, he's gonna defend the undisputed title at the

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TM Mobile Arena. You know, it's his first big arena

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fight because he fights at America. He was on an

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undercard that took place in la and then he had

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his other two fights were in smaller venues. One was

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pandemic ish, one was like, I think, a limited capacity

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in a smaller type of place. In any event, it's

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a big opportunity for him to be seen. Now he's

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fighting Ramon Cardenas. There was a lot of conversation early

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on when this fight was being planned he would fight Picasso,

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the Mexican up and comer, that the deal did not

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work out. He's taken on Cardenas, who was not a

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well known fighter by any stretch. He's a San Antonio fighter.

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He's got a good record. He is twenty six and

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one with fourteen knockouts, twenty nine years old, so I'm

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not an old man, just doesn't have a lot of

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experience against top level guys. So obviously it looks like

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a showcase fighter anyway, But let's see what the what

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the guys got but what's intriguing to me? Well, first

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I'll get to that undercard fight. This didn't right, So

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Top Rank and the Japanese promoters announced the inn a

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Way and Cardenas fight on Wednesday, And even though this

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has not been announced, I have reported that the undercard

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fight is going to be the WBA featherweight champion Rafael

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Espinoza taken on Edward Vasquez in the co feature. And

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why is that interesting Because obviously at some point in

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a way, he's gonna move up from junior featherweight to featherweight,

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and so what better way than to feature Rafael Espino's

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on his undercard the same way they did back a

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couple of fights ago when they brought the then wo

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featherweight champion Robasi Ramirez to Japan to also appear in

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his card. Not an accident that they're doing that, because

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when he moves up, they're gonna want the Japanese fans

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to understand and know who these champions are that he

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will ultimately be challenging us. That is an obvious possibility

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for him, you know, down the road when he gets

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to featherweight. But he ain't going to featherweight just yet

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because he's got a very intriguing schedule coming up. TJ.

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We talked all the time on this show and in

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boxing in general about activity level. SOI in a way

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already fought in January and he knocked out Kim and

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that was the late replacement fight, and because of the

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fact that Sam Goodman was injured and he couldn't come

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to the post, so he knocked him out in the

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fourth round. That was coming back on May fourth for

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his second fight of the year. That's gonna be this

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fight against Ardanis if he wins that fight and he

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comes out clean. They are in the process of finalizing

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a step aside deal with MJ Achmadally of who is

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the WBA Interim champion and the mandatory and their team

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has been back and forth with the WBA and the

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INNA team for a while, complaining and moaning as they should,

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about being skipped in line and not getting their opportunity.

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He is long overdue for his mandatory defense. So I've

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talked to that Dean Kornilov, who is the MJ manager,

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and they are in the process of doing this step

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aside deal, and what that means is, in a way,

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we'll fight the fight in May with all the belts

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at stake, and then if everything is good, he's going

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to Japan to fight in a way in the mandatory

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that will take place September fourteenth, that's the date that's

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penciled in for that particular fight. And if anyway comes

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out of that fight with the victory and there's no injuries,

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he is, as he said after his fight against Kim,

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He's off to Saudi Arabia as part of his agreement

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to be sponsored by Riad season to fight another fight

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in December. So the guy who's our you believe, number one,

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number two, number three pound for pound megastar in Japan.

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They have two fights at home in Japan this year,

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two fights on the road, one of the United States,

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one in Saudi Arabia. Four fights that has not been

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done in a very long time by an elite fighter.

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Speaker 1: And we say bravo activity, sir monster. We love that,

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and his marketability goes up because of this.

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Speaker 2: So we love That's gonna depend on who he fights,

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because well, right, Kim was not a top guy, is

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not a top guy. Achmadaim is the best guy in

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the division who he hasn't fought, and we'll see what

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they have in store for the December fight. Maybe that

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will be a featherweight debut. Maybe you'll make one more

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defense at junior featherweight. But I'm always happy when Noi

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Ineway is in the ring. He is the monster after.

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Speaker 1: Thank all of us. I think all of us are

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all right? What's up with Alexander Usik and the WBA

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wants him to fight the wo Excuse me, the WBO,

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I gotta keep all this straight with your help. The

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WBO's interim champion is Joseph Parker, and they want Usik

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to fight Parker. But what is this all mean? Because

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I thought wasn't the USK team talking about they want

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to try to fight Dubois again in a bigger, more

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lucrative fight. What have we heard? What do we know?

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Speaker 2: So this is how it always goes when you're a

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unified champion. The thing that I find to be amusing

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about this is the WBO is following its rules. They

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have always said when there's an interim champion, they want

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to get rid of that interim as quickly as possible,

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and that's what they're doing, so that's why they ordered

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the fight. The hilarious thing to me, though, is that.

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It was just a couple of days before that that

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it was the WBA that announced that they had extended

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he is the super Champion of the WBA, that they

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had extended his mandatory period. They've given him two years

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before he has to make a mandatory And while they

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were making that announcement, they also ordered the regular champion

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who brought Pulev to make a mandatory of that belt

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against Fabul. So the point is Lustik is encumbered by

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to the do for a while, but the WBO wants

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him to do the defense against Joseph Parker, which personally,

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I have no problem with that. To me, I'd rather

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see that. I understand. If you fight it's to Wah.

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He'd be doing it again to be undisputed because they

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took away the IBF belt, which Juah got as the

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interim champion. You know whatever, He's already been the unisputed champion.

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It's like, it's not that good big of a deal

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to beat the guy who got the belt that you

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already had. And oh, by the way, you already knocked

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the guy out, you know, a couple of years ago

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one sided fashion and the title defense. Uh before he

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was the IBF title holder. That was back when he

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was your WBA mandatory, when he had the WBA regular belt.

708
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,039
So if you can follow all that nonsense, Joseph Parker

709
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,240
at least as a fresh fight and a guy who's

710
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,880
well deserving.

711
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: Parker's been active, He's beaten big names. Can we have

712
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:38,759
good things?

713
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: I don't know the Dua fight if I'm not, I'm

714
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,279
not opposed to the d rematch because since he got

715
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,000
knocked out by Usik, he's come on strong and he's

716
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:52,200
won fights by knockout. He obliterated Joshua right he cut

717
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,079
up and he stopped Hergovic. Before that, he had a

718
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,640
terrific fight and stopped the undefeated Jerald Miller and and

719
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,839
and Hergovich was also on the and so I'm not

720
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,480
opposed to the rematch. But if I had my pick

721
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,160
to see a fresh fight, because you already beat Dubois

722
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,400
Pillar to post, basically give me the Parker fight, who's

723
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,480
on a similarly top level run. He's knocked out, you know,

724
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,640
or not knocked out necessary, but he beat you know,

725
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,640
Zilly Zang, he beat Deontay Wilder. He's coming off the

726
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,839
knockout against Martin bccoley. That was on the undercart. Granted,

727
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,680
mccoley took the fight on short notice, but he was

728
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,160
supposedly the Boogeyman anyway. The WBOS ordered that fight coming

729
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:30,039
at a moment in time where it was just a

730
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:33,880
couple of days earlier that the USIK promoter Alex Krasiak

731
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,519
was talking to Sky Sports in the UK about how

732
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:39,359
they've already discussed and had negotiations or in the process

733
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,240
of negotiating the Dubois rematch. The reason why this is

734
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,759
significant if you care about the belts, is because if

735
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,240
he fell, if he finalizes the fight against against Duba

736
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,160
and the WBO sticks to its guns about forcing the

737
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,319
Parker fight, he would probably lose the WBO belt. So

738
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,640
we'd be fighting Dua. Originally thinking it's now for undisputed

739
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,720
once again, but maybe it will only be for three

740
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,200
belts in the end. Maybe the WBO will allow that

741
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,160
to happen. I'll get the exception to you know, Nolah

742
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,519
bless and he fights to Blah. If not, Parker is

743
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,679
a hell of a fight also, you know, either.

744
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: Way, what's your educated guess on when we see usk

745
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,840
summer July ish, something like that June July ish against somebody.

746
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,039
Speaker 2: I mean they're talking about if he was fighting. While

747
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,039
they're talking about doing the fight at Wembley Stadium. You

748
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,199
have to do that in a time of year theoretically

749
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,280
where the weather is okay.

750
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: And the English Premier League factors in as well soccer on.

751
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: What I can tell you is that that they're talking

752
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,320
about the fight. I've not heard anything specified as the

753
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,920
time frame, just the loca. So we'll see.

754
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: We would think this summer against somebody, whether it's Dubois

755
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,000
or Parker.

756
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: Now, if you're fighting Parker, you can't put that at

757
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,199
Wembley Stadium because Parker is not.

758
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,119
Speaker 1: Where do you and where do you put it? And

759
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:53,960
that's another it's a whole nother discussion.

760
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,559
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. You could, You could put it

761
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,159
in England in a place where maybe or maybe and

762
00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:58,880
it would sell out.

763
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe it's back in Saudi Arabia for money.

764
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,119
I don't know. Maybe it's there because they have both

765
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,280
fought in Saudi Arabia now two or three times.

766
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: Well, and the point I made in what I wrote

767
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,760
about and people can read my notebook where I detail

768
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,239
all this stuff, uh that I published uh late Wednesday

769
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,920
night at the end of the day, Turkey Alschikh is

770
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,280
gonna probably wild a lot of influence over which fight

771
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,440
f Sick takes because he's the guy that has not

772
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,559
only been bankrolling Usik in the Fury fights and and

773
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:26,679
and the Dubai and uh, you know, on these fights

774
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,039
that have taken place, he's also been putting on Parker

775
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,519
on the REA season cards. And he's also been paying

776
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,400
the money to Dubois as well. So, uh, I figure

777
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,719
Turkey's gonna have some say so. So if you know,

778
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,639
if he wants to see it he usk uh Dubois rematch,

779
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,320
I guess we'll probably see that. If he prefers the

780
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,079
Parker fight, I guess we'll see that. I mean, if

781
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,360
he's paying the freight. You know, if you're the buyer,

782
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:48,320
you know, you get to say so and what you

783
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:48,840
want to spend.

784
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of Brits and heavyweights, we got Lennox Lewis nostalgia

785
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,320
at a second. But speaking of other Brits, we know

786
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,840
about Chris u Bank and Connor Ben and eggs for

787
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,760
the February press conference, and now we know how costly

788
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:08,079
the egg stunt, the crack the egg on the side

789
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,920
of the face of Connor Ben was and it's not

790
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,519
we think eggs are expensive right now in America. Are

791
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,320
you feeling me right? Heel with my life, I'm working

792
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,719
at hard. I feel this was some expensive eggs for

793
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,679
Chris Ubang. Tell me more.

794
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So as people remember, it was back on February

795
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,719
twenty fifth, they had their kickoff news conference for their

796
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,000
fight that's coming up. They're very popular, I think sold

797
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,400
out fight now that's at the Hotspur Stadium in London,

798
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,079
Mega fight for Britain. And he smashed him in the

799
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:35,719
face with the egg at press conference that took place

800
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,199
in Manchester. Obviously he was going to be punished if

801
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:38,840
it seemed.

802
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Like a raw egg right the head now.

803
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: And the reason that we don't have to keep this

804
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,679
deligating this, but that was because the excuse that Connor

805
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,000
Ben gave for his multiple positive drug tests was a

806
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,239
consumption of eggs of eggs. Obviously he's making a joke

807
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,039
about that, so we smashed him in the face with

808
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,039
the egg. I'm still still processing a month later that

809
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,039
or you know, three weeks later, whatever it's been, that

810
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,159
this man came to a press conference with a pocket

811
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,880
filled with raw eggs, planning out this stunt, multiple eggs

812
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,480
to take care of business anyway, So the British Board

813
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:13,800
of Boxing Control find him one hundred thousand pounds or

814
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,719
that hit. Now, I mean you're saying, whoa, but he's

815
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,480
gonna be making millions and millions and none.

816
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: Saying that's an expensive egg is what I'm saying.

817
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,519
Speaker 2: But the best part, a doubt it was when when

818
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,719
when that came out and so the British Boxing Board

819
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,840
of Control announced that that was the fine. If you

820
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,159
take a look on one Chris ubankat Junior's social media,

821
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,199
I found that this to be absolutely hilarious that he

822
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,159
posted his response. There was a picture of you know,

823
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,119
the the notification that he was being fined that enout

824
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,519
and he wrote and I quote worth every penny.

825
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess, by the way you're the historian, that

826
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,159
would be the most expensive fine ever in the history

827
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:58,559
of an egg stunt in boxing. You're confident in that,

828
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,519
we're comfortent with that. I'm pretty sure about on an

829
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,760
egg stunt. With the press conference for these guys to

830
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,519
fight coming, what is that April that they're going to

831
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:07,199
be fighting.

832
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: This this is a title this is a fight that's

833
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,280
not a title fight. This is a fight with a

834
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,000
guy in Connor Ben who's never fought anybody at any

835
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,559
kind of top level. You know, you Bank has been

836
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:19,679
in the ring with some good guys. Again, he's lost

837
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,840
when he's stepped up most of the time. You know.

838
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,239
He did get the big revenge against Willam Smith. They

839
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,000
split their two fights. But the fact that this is

840
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,360
the magnitude of it is is just amazing to.

841
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: Me because of the dad's because the bullshit.

842
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,639
Speaker 2: Between the two of them, but it's all stems from

843
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:40,000
the fathers. Because Nigel Ben and Chris hu Bank Singr.

844
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,519
Put on two of the greatest fights in British history

845
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,440
and certainly of the nineties, and hugely popular fights. And

846
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,000
there's that, and it looks like it's going to be

847
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,559
a good fight based on the way that they box.

848
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: All right, some nostalgia and then we are done in

849
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,079
the craziness. It was twenty six years ago today, March

850
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,960
the thirteenth of nineteen ninety nine, Nix Lewis and a

851
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:06,639
Vanner Holyfield unification about for the heavyweight title. And as

852
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,119
Rayfaeld wrote, and this is not an exaggeration, and you

853
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,159
didn't even put it in like all caps with an

854
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:15,000
exclamation point. One of the worst decisions in boxing history.

855
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,880
It was bad.

856
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: I don't think we need all caps. It's pretty much

857
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,079
clear as day and that that's yeah.

858
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: All right. So let's go back twenty six years ago

859
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,519
when Lewis and Holyfield and the draw.

860
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,559
Speaker 2: You know, this was one of those deals here where

861
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,440
first of all, getting this fight made was like, very

862
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,039
very difficult. This was Don King dealing with main events.

863
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,760
You know, we have HBO pay per view involved. Holyfield,

864
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:40,199
you know, was in need of a big fight, even

865
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,039
though he had had a number of big fights obviously

866
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,679
at this point, but he had been fighting on showtime.

867
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:46,960
So they had to make the deal. That was not

868
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,920
easy to do. They finally, finally, finally were able to

869
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,880
do it because both guys had been fighting their booked

870
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,039
obviously top notch fighters, but you had a Vander Holyfield

871
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,199
coming off and absolutely, I'll use a big, multi syllable word,

872
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,079
it's probably worth a quarter on the show. Decil Tory

873
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,960
decision against Vaughan desolatory. Yeah you like that. I like that.

874
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, go.

875
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: Against one and only Von Bean, who was just a terrible, terrible,

876
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,719
terrible fight. I mean, you know, so there's that. So

877
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,719
Vander who was obviously a popular figure. You know, he

878
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,360
had a world title. You had Lennox Lewis, who again

879
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,320
similar situation. That Von Bean fight was a mandatory fight,

880
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,480
which was a terrible mandatory But you have you have

881
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,280
Lennox Lewis. You know, he's knocked out Galata, he knocked

882
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,440
out Shannon Briggs. Then he comes off of a decision

883
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,480
win in another I shall use it again, TJ desolatory

884
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,800
victory over the then unknown and heretofore still unknown Zelko Maverravich,

885
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,159
who was undefeated at the time. But what a garbage fight.

886
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:51,199
I mean, just a terrible, terrible fight. So they both

887
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:54,159
were like the public was sort of like, okay, guys,

888
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,239
good enough with the bullshit fights. Let's get it on.

889
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,440
This was the biggest fight in boxing. They finally made

890
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:05,119
the fight huge, massive, massive promotion. Madison Square Guarden, HBO

891
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,599
pay per view. This is nineteen ninety nine, a different

892
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,480
ear of than now. This was a mega mega fight

893
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,480
They're going to unify. At the time, three belts needed

894
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,840
for the undisputed title. This is still the three belt

895
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,440
ear And just to give you in a perspective of

896
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,800
how long it has been. It wasn't until later in

897
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,360
that year when they when they had their rematch that

898
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,199
Lenox became the undisputed champ and had taken that long

899
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,960
from then all the way to when Usik defeated Fury

900
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,920
in the first fight to have another undisputed champion, in

901
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,760
this case in the four belly Ear. But this was

902
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,840
the first fight between Evander and Lenox Lewis. And unfortunately,

903
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,280
when we talk about like Fury and Usik as one example,

904
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,239
a fight that had massive amounts of hype that lived

905
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,519
up to the hype, tremendous battle became the fight of

906
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:48,400
the year for Yeah, Evander Holyfel. Lennox Lewis won was

907
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:54,760
pretty much the opposite, very very interesting, very boring fight

908
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,599
and in the end most people figured Lennox Lewis won

909
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,800
this fight hands down, in just a Waltz boring, tactical,

910
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,719
sleep inducing shit fight. But he won the decision. And

911
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,079
then they announced the scores, and I tell you it

912
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,360
was one sixteen to one thirteen in favor of Lennox

913
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,880
Lewis and one fifteen one thirteen in favor I.

914
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: Remember the name correctly.

915
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,639
Speaker 2: Eugenia Williams, Sir so pot Card was as bad as

916
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,159
well as it was was over. First of all, even

917
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,679
the sixteen thirteen card that was given by Stanley Chris

918
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,159
Adoulu was a little questionable in my opinion, because I

919
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:34,599
thought Lenox Wonka probably nine to three, ten to two

920
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:39,000
type of score. So but anyway, he got the right guy. Then,

921
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,679
like you mentioned Eugenia Williams, who is you know, etched

922
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,320
on the face of Ignomini in boxing history for that wretchedness,

923
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,880
she scoreded for holy Field, which is a fucking farce,

924
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,519
including the round I forget what Ryan it was where

925
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,199
he almost knocked holy Filled out. That was the one

926
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,639
exciting time in the fight.

927
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: I think it was like the fifth She gave the

928
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,280
round a holy Field. I didn't remember that.

929
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,679
Speaker 2: She did give the.

930
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,519
Speaker 1: Mismarking the card and the column.

931
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,639
Speaker 2: And then you add Larry O'Connell who scored the fight

932
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,400
one fifteen to one fifteen. And the magnitude of this

933
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,320
controversy was taken to an even higher level than it

934
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,119
normally would have been because it was in New York

935
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,159
City and the New York papers and the New York

936
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,039
is like no other in the world, and it was

937
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,800
just an absolute chaotic scene for weeks after this, that

938
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,079
the accusations of corruption and bribery and blah blah blah.

939
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,079
I mean this was I know that that they both

940
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,199
kept their titles, so neither guy got a loss. So

941
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440
neither guy lost in that sense that it's even worse

942
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,199
because you've robbed the guy of the title. But I

943
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,199
just always have in my mind I was watching this

944
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,840
on pay per view, is in the In the words

945
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,440
of Jim Lampley, who was obviously the call calling the

946
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,920
fight for HBO, he said what everybody was thinking when

947
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,480
he said this when they announced the decision, Lennox Lewis

948
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:58,079
has just been robbed of the undisputed heavyweight championship of

949
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,800
the world. And Jim has told the story by the

950
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,079
way way that in his ear, because you know, Jim

951
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,599
was played it straight for the most part, but it

952
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,119
got the voice from the producer, Ross Greenberg in his ear.

953
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,199
And as Jim has told me this, I don't even

954
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:13,880
think there was communication between them. He kind of knew,

955
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,239
I think what Jim was thinking, and he just said,

956
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,639
go for it. That was Ross telling. And Lampley went

957
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:23,280
off and made that comment, and there was investigations and

958
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,239
blah blah, blah. And in the end, obviously they made

959
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,119
the rematch, which was no easy thing to do either.

960
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,000
They put that in Las Vegas. That was at the

961
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:33,280
end of the year of ninety nine, and Lennox won

962
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,599
the decision, became the undisputed champion. My memory of that

963
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,280
was the press stour leading up to the rematch. I was.

964
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,320
I was at the USA Today during a four month

965
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,880
period on what was a loan program before I got

966
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,639
hired full time from my home paper that I was

967
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:50,920
working at, and they had come to Washington, d C.

968
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:53,920
To do a press stop at the Hotel by Dallas

969
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Airport and I got a chance to go cover that

970
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
for USA Today. So that was like the first time

971
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,000
I ever met Lennox Lewis in person, net Evander holyfielden

972
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:03,280
person that don King in persons. That was a great

973
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,400
memory from the rematch. But the bottom line is it

974
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,320
should never have been fucking necessary, right because they fucking

975
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,920
rob Lenox in that fucking fight.

976
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I still remember how awful the fight was,

977
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,320
and then the decision was just dumbfounding and everything that

978
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,280
went on that day. Again, at this time period, while

979
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,239
you're relating what you were doing I'm doing five day

980
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,920
a week sports radio in Tampa Bay and this is

981
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,599
in March. This is after the NFL season. The Tampa

982
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:31,000
Bay Rays had not yet started up in baseball for

983
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,239
that season. That was a topic on that Monday Tuesday.

984
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,679
I remember taking calls about the horrible judging in the

985
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,039
pay per view with Lennis Lewis and a Vander Holyfield.

986
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:43,599
And remember, now, boxing and the heavyweight title a much

987
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:46,800
bigger deal even in nineteen ninety nine. Certainly even into

988
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,679
the early two thousands, heavyweight title meant a ton. It

989
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,360
would lead Sports Center, for example, be on the front

990
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,599
page of something called a newspaper gen Zers that we

991
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:58,760
don't have anymore. It would be that big of a deal.

992
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: This Lenox may not have been a megastar, at least

993
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,079
in the United States, but he was still a known

994
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,079
fighter in the America. Holy Field was a mainstream star.

995
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,440
I mean he was. Evander was the kind of guy

996
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:10,719
at that.

997
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: Because you're coming off the wins over Tyson, he's known everywhere.

998
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 2: But even before that, he was an Olympians, he'd been

999
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,559
a cruiserweight champion, He'd been in big fights against George

1000
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,519
Foreman and the trilogy with the ridding bow and the

1001
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,199
back that the you know, the tyson and the ear biten.

1002
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,679
Lenox was not ever at that level. But Holyfield was

1003
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:30,760
one of the few guys in the sport who could

1004
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,639
pretty much walk down any street in the country and

1005
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:34,320
people know who he is. You don't have that today.

1006
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,519
So when they called that a draw, and again, like

1007
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,159
I said, it was in New York. On top of that,

1008
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,480
it was a front page story of negativity at that boxing.

1009
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,960
That fight and what happened I believe, very very badly

1010
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:48,199
damaged the sport for quite a while. I don't know

1011
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,800
if it ever truly recovered from that. It really took

1012
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,079
a big hit because here you take the Sports Diamond,

1013
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,159
like the biggest event you could possibly put on, and

1014
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,159
you have the most controversial thing with like a like

1015
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,039
I said, allegations of corruption and bribery and crookedness and

1016
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,320
just ineptitude, whatever you want to talk about. And then

1017
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,360
Eugena Williams scoring the round for the wrong guy when

1018
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,119
the other guy had probably his best round of the fight.

1019
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:17,760
That was so fucking obvious. It was. We've seen a

1020
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,400
lot of great nights for boxing. This was one of

1021
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,840
the worst nights for boxing.

1022
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:24,559
Speaker 1: And that was twenty six years ago on this Thursday,

1023
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,840
March thirteen of nineteen ninety nine. All right, with that,

1024
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,159
we have been busy recapping at the beginning previewing. We're

1025
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,800
going to reconvene you and I on the bet Us

1026
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,360
Boxing Show again. Full disclosure. I'm traveling to Atlantic City,

1027
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,920
the home of many of these heavyweight title fights and

1028
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,320
big time fights, doing college basketball this weekend. I'll be

1029
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,760
with you on the bet Us Show live from Atlantic City.

1030
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: Here.

1031
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,199
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Nick Ball by the weight title

1032
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,679
main event, We'll talk about the Ammo Williams fight from

1033
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:56,360
a handicapping perspective, any other news etc. On that and

1034
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,199
then off the weekend, and I got to figure out

1035
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,280
when we can do a recap pod all off of

1036
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,320
this and with all the college basketball, etc. We will

1037
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,159
try to make all of that happen, my friend. Thank

1038
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:09,400
you as always again for the peeps. If you have

1039
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,840
not seen the Taraji fight, go check that out from

1040
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,679
Thursday morning US time on ESPN Plus. If you have

1041
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,239
it or find it on the internet, how are you

1042
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,360
gonna find it? We love that, Dan, Thank you. Have

1043
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,280
a good weekend. We'll see you on the bet Us Show.

1044
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: All right, TJ enjoyed the basketball.

1045
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: There is one Dan Rayphiel. I'm merely TJ Reeves. Follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker,

1046
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,360
Spotify Here to this podcast feed. We preview going into

1047
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,920
the weekend recamp coming off the weekend. You've been listening

1048
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,360
to The Big Fight Weekend Preview pod