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Speaker 1: What's good and everybody? How's everybody doing this morning Tuesday?
If you're having a great morning tea, Bob, Jake, Londre
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What's going on, guys? How we feel on this Tuesday? Up? Jakie,
how we doing? How we living? Everything? Good? Yeah? Man?
Good over? We're excited for today's show. What's today? Today's Tuesday? Tuesday? Okay,
so we got coaching nick yep, yeah man, we got
we got we got a very full document this morning.
We are we are ready to go. We even Elandre
will be very pleased to see even in hour number
three have a projecting baseball starting lineup thanks to a
good breakdown in The Advocate by Kochie Riley, So shout
out to Coochie. We will get into some of that
very excited talk. Coach Molki is always and well. Tayte
was cackling yesterday like some sort of LP hyena as
he was listening to Mickey Loomis and fact checking our boys.
So I'm very excited to see Taylor's rebuttal or response
to what Mickey Loomis laid out in a forty five
minute press conference that really did nothing for anyone in
terms of exciting. I don't know.
Speaker 3: With taitas team and a couple of things around that
Cowboys news cycle, you better be careful.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know when you used to play
a street fighter back in the day and you pick
up control and you press start and it's just like
a new challenger is enter the arena or whatever. That's uh,
that's Mike McCarthy for the Saints shop and he may
rocket to the front of the line, which leads us
to a really mental gymnastics filled future where you have
Mike McCarthy and Derek Carr, two guys that feel awful,
but objectively their resumes are better than how you probably
feel about them. So and you just have to sit
there and tell yourself, well, I mean, look at the
wind lost record, you know, like Makey said, he's topped
ten and that's so I don't know. Well, we'll get
into all this and more throughout today's show a lot.
What's up, girl, what's up?
Speaker 4: I'm very excited to hear what the projected roster is.
I would like to give a little projection before we
do the projection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect. I would love nothing, I want to guess it.
I would love nothing more to see where your head's
at compared to cookies. But yeah, great.
Speaker 4: I feel like this week is already starting kind of
long for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's because I did the women's basketball game
last night. Usually, like you see the game, good game
made me a little nervous, Yeah, going into the half
and coming out of it. But I just think like
if something throws me off, or if I get home
a little later than usual, then it just like throws
my whole bedtime routine.
Speaker 5: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Now, we're really getting into age right when routine becomes
the bedrock of your entire existence in anything that caused
you from devia from said, routine becomes a hassle that
you think about way more than you should. Yeah, ahead
of the fact.
Speaker 4: I really do think about it before I know.
Speaker 1: I know, and it's boilless because it's not that big
of a deal, really is you fret over? I feel
it because I do the same thing everybody does. Congratulations,
you're getting old er? Uh ta ta, what's up? Man?
How you how you feeling? They know more Mike McCarthy
in your life? You feel a good? Coach Prime on
the way, Let's go, Jack.
Speaker 6: I uh, I guess I was tireder this morning. Then
I thought I forgot to put up the All Star
panel behind Teaba. But that's okay, we'll get it in
the next break. The Jake One's right. You know, I'm
sitting here and I'm like, man, we got everything done early,
and you know, sometimes.
Speaker 1: You just I always got him twisted up.
Speaker 6: It's just the emotions are in a flox and it's
got me flustered.
Speaker 1: H Taylor. If they hire Coach Prime, will you still
be a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 6: So we talked about this, uh shoot a couple of
months ago, and I said, no, so I will stand
by that.
Speaker 1: Wow, talking about Taylor is talking about that.
Speaker 7: Will break me.
Speaker 1: I've held a Cowboys fan hood. If they make coach
prime they coach, what if they end up being good
and then you would have the coolest coaching, they'd.
Speaker 7: Be good teams.
Speaker 1: I don't like the gem City there cheering for the Titans.
I's gonna cheer for them, Like, how are you gonna like?
You know how painful it's gonna be if suddenly the
Cowboys are good and Dion's cool and you're out here
because of some weird uh stance that you've taken where
you have completely written off the team that you grew
up professing to love. It's it's playing a dangerous game, Sharpe.
Speaker 7: No, I'm not.
Speaker 6: It's not just no, I'm not. It's not just one move.
But uh, that would just be the final thing. Like
I'm just just okay, I'm almost already there. If the
Dion hire would almost be irrelevant at this point, I'm
almost already there and we'll see.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, let's go ahead and to talk a little
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So last night, the Minnesota Vikings season comes to a
crashing halt as the red hot Los Angeles Rams, not
playing in Los Angeles but playing for Los Angeles for
something larger than themselves, completely dominate the Vikings. And look,
this is a Rams team that, if you look at
the year as a whole, the ten and seven record
would not be really indicative of what the Vikings were
playing yesterday. This is a team that started one in four.
You know how extra normal it is, how it is
to dig a one and four hole and end up
in the playoffs. That means that at the end of
the year, this team was playing as well as any
team in the entire NFL. They finished the season nine
to three.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: They they've been getting increasingly healthier as the year has
gone on, and they entered the playoffs again as good
as any team. And you saw it last night, and
really there's Look, well let's start with the Rams. They
won the game, even though I think the more interesting
conversation outside looking at maybe by the Vikings and Donald.
But Jake, what did you think about the Rams that
that that great d line with Jared Vers on there
and coming up with nine sacks last night? On Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were talking before the show before you came in.
Speaker 1: The ghosts that Sam Donald saw in New York. They're
back again, I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Ghostbusters couldn't help him out last night. He
was holding onto the football for so long he would
even twitch like he was going to.
Speaker 1: Release it and just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not saying every sack was on him, but
I would say a majority of them were on Sam
Darnald not getting the ball out of his hands and
like you go back, you watch the end zone copy.
He had open receivers, he had opportunities to let the
football go, and he just didn't trust himself again, And
it is wild. And I don't know if the Lions
game broke him, but he was not the same guy
that he was all season long. And you know when
you when you have a situation like that and your
main player, your main focus, your quarterback is off, and
your quarterback's not playing the way that he did in
the playoffs, you're gonna have a game that ends up
twenty seven to nine.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. I guess let's just talk about Sam Darnald,
even though I mean, look, yes, the the La Rams,
I think a legitimate contender in the NFC. They seem
to have all the Elmans, have a veteran quarterback that
you know is capable when set row, he's already won one.
They have very good, healthy weapons right now and cup Nikua,
and they have a defense that is playing lights out
and continue to play better better, and that are young
and hungry. So the Rams a legitimate who broken dinner
at a time when they're sitting in their home town
desperately needs them and I think it's very easy to
empathize and appreciate with what the Rams did for their
fan base last night, and it's great to see from
afar and to cheer on. But narratively, from a sports
talk perspective, the Sam Darnold piece is the most interesting
piece because it's it confuses you as to how to evaluate.
It reminds me of everything you hear about reputation when
you're growing up right, it takes a lifetime to build
a second to tear down right, you can build a
million bridges in your life. Nobody call you a bridge building.
You hang out with Tata once and you're a loser.
So here's Sam Arnold. Is he throws for over forty
three hundred yards and thirty five touchdowns? Do you know
how hard that is? How many four thousand and thirty
five touchdown seasons have there been in NFL history? It's
not a lot, and Sam Darnold is now on that list. Like,
is it possible to look as bad as he did
in the battle for the one seed and the playoff
game last night but still be that same guy? Is
it possible to be a backup and do that? Tay Ten?
Speaker 6: Yeah, jamis Winston did it five thousand yards over thirty touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I guess true, but with thirty with thirty plus picks,
and at the time he was in a backup and
he would go on to start for years after that.
But again here it is, He's finds his whole season
playing well, but then with the one seed on the line,
you get dominated and last thing you can dominate. It's
like you said, too, Jacob's not like you can point
the finger either. He had a combined twenty three off
target throws the last two games last night alone. You
mentioned him holding onto the ball forever, so he got
sacked nine times, a ties NFL record. That eighty two
yards is an NFL postseason record. But he held on to
the ball in the sacks or an average of four
point seven three seconds. Do you know how long four
point seven seconds is in the pocket. It might as
well be an eternity. I mean, a great quarterbacks getting
it out in like two to two and a half.
So Breeze used to do a company like four point
seven to three. Also, Ever since that seventy week to
seventeen game against the Packers, the Vikings twenty one consecutive
drives without a touchdown, so it didn't just I mean,
this is truly the most visceral clock struck midnight turned
back into a pumpkin situation that I have maybe ever
seen in athletics, because I do you do not understand
how you could be good enough to put up the
numbers that you did, get hoisted on your shoulders on
the on the shoulders of your teammates in week seventeen
and then be where you are now just a couple
weeks later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, unfortunately for him, he just lost
himself millions of dollars. And it is wild to say
because it's like, hey, body of work, and I want
to fight that good fight for him as well. But
when you needed him the most week seventeen or seventeenth game,
Week eighteen against the Detroit Lions competition that was right
there with you, same record, you didn't show up. Okay,
Lions are hot, tough.
Speaker 1: Game, move on.
Speaker 3: Well, then you had this performance again and you probably
went from making a Baker Mayfield type contract too.
Speaker 1: Now it's like, are you going to find a starting spot? Yeah?
Even not even be back there.
Speaker 3: And I think it made the Vikings decision because it
was going to be awkward. You had JJ McCarthy, you
got a first round pick, and what do we do.
Do we bring back Sam Darnold? Do we have have
jjbur starting quarterback? And this sounds wild because it's a
two game sample size, and I want to go back
to all the things that you just laid out all
over four thousand yards in thirty five. But I think
because of these last two performances now it makes the
Vikings job much easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if he's back, I mean they're definitely
going with JJ. Maybe they bring him back if they
think he could be that veteran backup that they had
kind of originally envisioned. To me, think you'll get a
starting opportunity still, tee you think. I don't think it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be at that Baker Mayfield price thirty million
per year.
Speaker 1: I wonder where he could potentially, I mean, if we
pulled up you know, the NFL quarterbacks Truss started because
not just these games, Jake, but because O'Connell is viewed
as such a I mean, look what happened to Cousins
when he got away from Jefferson and O'Connell. And now
look at like it's just to me, real hard for
him to get the credit that, oh this is you.
I mean, you know who did it was Geno Smith,
which is kind of crazy that Geno found a way.
I mean it's been multiple coaches now were Gino's proven. No,
something clicked and I'm a good I'm a legitimate NFL
starting quarterback now after last night, Yeah, it's real hard
to think that Sam Darnell could do the same.
Speaker 3: All right, So if you're sitting there and you're looking around,
it's like, okay, who would take a chance on a quarterback?
And there's still some teams out there that maybe if
they don't draft a quarterback, maybe they don't get the
quarterback in the draft they want. The Giants kind of
come to mind, the Raiders come to mind, Tennessee's probably
going to get their quarterback.
Speaker 1: The Browns come to mind Deshaun Watson. You know, yea
Tour's Achilles even talk about that. That's crazy. Jets. Who
knows what happens with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: So there will he always said, Jets just to me,
ghosts don't He don't want to relive that again. But
there's still gonna be some opportunities for him. But it
is wild that you can have that many, really sixteen
games where you're fourteen and two, you're fourteen.
Speaker 1: To two, and then you lost the next two.
Speaker 3: And you can lose that much money and lose that
much equity that you built up and you had finally
made it. You were this top ten pick and you
you finally found the right system, you found the right coach.
Everything was going just how you would want it, like
if you were writing a book like finally the Fairy
Tales here and it's all gone. That's just unfortunately, that's
how the NFL is.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like you lost the games playing well, hey,
if you lose a game, it was you're good, it
was on you. It was all on you. Four point
seven one seconds. That is seeing ghosts.
Speaker 3: And some people are going to box score read this
game and be like, oh, offensive line must have been horrid.
Speaker 1: Maybe two of those.
Speaker 3: Sacks t were like kind of like right now pressures. Yeah,
there was a couple that it was egregiously bad.
Speaker 1: How long Sam Darnold held them to the football.
Speaker 3: And if if I'm an offensive lineman like that, that's
as frustrating as anything.
Speaker 1: And you cante that more than that it's the worse.
I mean, you know I always said that, like, yeah,
well we all know that a quarterbacks or no alignment's
best friends of quarterback that gets rid of the ball.
But there's a reason why the Saints thought for probably
five years they could get away with just not paying
any alignment, like, oh, we can just kind of have
whoever in there. And eventually they went too far with
that and they had to do the Jimmy Graham for
Max Hunger trade. But yeah, it's you can't block that long.
You can't block that long. I mean again, four point
seven seconds might as well be war in piece. Every
time you drop that. I mean it's it's a Lord
of the Rings extended edition, but not even a single movie.
It's doing a full extend edition trilogy. Rewatch, every single
time you drop back to throw the ball.
Speaker 3: H that's double what the average, which is, Yeah, it's insane,
literally double. That's like somebody run in a four seven
forty back there in the pocket.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, that's crazy. You know, it
takes a long time when you think about it from
that perspective. Yeah, all right, when we get back here
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Speaker 1: Please, what's up y'all? Welcome back O TV, Rolling rad Alo,
see Bob, Jake alone, Vireal and hanging out with you.
And it's time to talk about Mickey Loomis. You met
with the media yesterday forty five minutes and again, as
I said, Taylor, we should have given him his own
room in a fresh bottle of lotion, knowing that he
had forty five minutes with which to chew, apart and
dissect every all the gas slighting that Mickey Loomis was
going to attempt to pull on the City of New
Orleans and the hoot at Nation. Taylor, you have been
in the research reads. I'm going to let you lead
this segment, so ta ta take it away away.
Speaker 7: I don't want to. I was told you this before
the show.
Speaker 6: I don't want to make it look like I'm taking
things out of context and not telling the full story.
So I do want to hear it from Mickey Lewis first, up.
He talks about how you know, they were asking about
the upcoming draft and his position, which he couldn't remember
that he was a ninth position, which Jesus, But he
said he would love more draft picks.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'd always take more draft picks if we could
get him. But look, I like, I like where we're at,
and I like I like our history of drafting too.
I think we've got a really good history of drafting.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 5: You know, when you have a new coaching staff, now
you've got to you know, reak, calibrate, and adjust not
the evaluation process but what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: And so that's going to be a lot of work.
Speaker 5: You know, once we get a coaching staff hired to
make sure that we're on the same page relatives to
the types of players, of the types, but the things
that they want the players to do, and making sure
that we're bringing guys that can do what they need.
Speaker 1: Always take more draft picks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I would love more draft picks as well.
Mickey Loomis has traded up in the draft twenty six
times since he's been the GM of the New Orleans Saints.
Do we know how many times he's traded back to
acquire more picks.
Speaker 1: I do. He's never done it. Zero Loomis has.
Speaker 6: Never traded back in the draft to acquire more picks
and actively gives them away. So that's a lie. That's
lie number one.
Speaker 1: But oh and it was thrown out so casually.
Speaker 3: And since he's been GM, he has the least amount
of draft choices in the NFL of any team because
they can.
Speaker 1: Trade it up more than once a year. And when
you trade up, you give up pigs. Yeah, I mean,
that's the wild part is it's a lie thrown out
there with with such a complacence, is just kind of
like yeah, whatever. But so not only is it a lie,
it's like so clearly a lie thrown out there and
thinking I'll just accept it, but it's a lie in
which he speaks to a truth that he doesn't believe,
but he's kind of telling you is a commonly accepted truth,
which is more draft picks are better. You know what
I'm saying? Am I explain this correctly? Saying like you said, like, yeah,
everybody want more draft picks? What that's not? But you
know you can't say that, like yes, we all agree
to everybody else has been saying that is not how
you have been operating. So that's not true, Mickey. Yeah
you don't believe that. Yeah, no, exactly, you know we
all do, but you don't. You don't get to say
what we believe in act like you believe it too.
No actions, you know, your action speaks so loud. I
can't hear what you're saying.
Speaker 3: That's that's like the to me of like I am
telling you what you want to hear. Yes, yes, that's
always that's the only thing that is like when you
can go back and you can check the facts and
you can see who's traded back, who's traded up, who's
drafted who? How many draft choices have you have? Well,
you're dead last since you've taken over the team. And
I'm not saying like because he's so long tenured, no,
from the year that he started with the Saints.
Speaker 1: No franchise. Yeah, it's a franchise, Dad, It's just that
he is looking at individual gs right than the Saints
have right now. It's it's got to be frustrating for
the reporter that asked a question too, because I've run
into this back in the day with interviewing political people,
where you know, the facts, you have them, you know,
lined up, and they just lie and you can't really
do anything about it. It's like, well that's not really
the point is you obviously don't like draftics.
Speaker 6: Okay, anyway, well he moved on from the draft because
somebody asked him about, hey, you know your cap space.
What's the issue here? If you don't get the draft
pick that you want, what are you going to do
in free agency? And Mickey Loomis address their cap situation.
Speaker 1: You can't just say.
Speaker 5: Hey, here's the number, here's there over and that's a disaster.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: We've got the most players under contract of any team. Yes,
we're over, but there's a lot of teams below us
that have you know, we've got sixty one players under
contract right now, and there's teams that have cap room.
Speaker 1: But they've got thirty eight or thirty six. So it's
a collective.
Speaker 5: You know, how much guaranteed is out there, how much
is the acceleration that exists? You know, who are the
players they have under country? There's so many elements. I'm
pretty comfortable with where we're at. I'm comfortably uncomfortable. So
you know, it's something we have to manage. And but
there's a lot of teams that have to manage their
cap that way, and some of the ones that don't
are going to have to at some point. So, you know,
I feel okay about.
Speaker 1: Where we're at.
Speaker 5: I think we're making progress from where we've been the
last few years, you know that, So I'm feeling better
about it.
Speaker 6: He's right about what Dane guys. Every team has to
manage their caps, and every team finds a way to
do it drastically better than Mickey Loomis. Sure, sixty one
players under contract, negative sixty million dollars in cap space,
but Cleveland, the next closest team in the NFL in
terms of cap hill only twenty five million dollars in
the hole. So you've more than doubled the next closest team.
And he wants to talk about the teams that don't
have anybody under contract. The San Francisco forty nine ers
currently have fifty nine players under contract, and they're big spence.
Speaker 1: I rein that they were at sixty one, but anyway,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: They're big spenders too.
Speaker 6: I mean, you have Christian McCaffrey, you have George Kittle,
you have Debo, you have Iu you have all the
Trent Williams. All these guys are like top five highest
paid at their position. The San Francisco forty nine ers
currently have almost forty eight million dollars in cap space. Yeah,
a forty eight million, and you have two players difference,
and you have three players that are the highest paid
at their position.
Speaker 3: And let's also say, Mickey, you got sixty one. It's
not all that difference, isn't all in quarterback? Just because
brock Perty is still the chief contract, Like you could
comfortably fit brock Per, but he's a giant contract in there,
and you'd still be familiar.
Speaker 1: Get me right, of the cap.
Speaker 3: You've got sixty one players, Mickey, that you're tatting out there,
But twenty one are UFL players, And I'm not trying
to hate on them.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw shade. That's just what it is.
Speaker 3: Sure, who got about twenty one of those sixty one
that are UFL players that you sign off the street
this year?
Speaker 1: I mean wrong? No, no, no, I mean right, correct.
I mean you look at the rosters more gaslight.
Speaker 3: You could pick twenty one players, I bet you that
are fringe in FL players.
Speaker 6: Speaking of that, Jake Mickey Limis gave his thoughts on
the twenty twenty four roster, and he doesn't agree with you.
Speaker 5: That's part of what, you know, part of what we
haven't done yet is really look back and evaluate a
rap from a personnel standpoint.
Speaker 1: Obviously, this is a tough season, not what we expected.
Speaker 5: You know, what jumps out is the amount of injuries,
and we've got to do a deep dive into that.
You know, are there things that are preventable? Are there
things that we missed in the evaluation process for example,
So all that is work that needs to be done.
You know, rebuild, as it means different things to different people.
I think that you can turn around a season pretty
quickly in the NFL. We've seen it with other teams.
And there's a lot of good things on our roster,
and there's some things that we need to adjust and
fill in. Part of that is going to be the
viewpoint and the vision that the new head coach has.
Speaker 1: A lot of. I don't know where a lot of
the positives on the roster would be as far as
injuries go. That is a bit of a uncomfortable truth,
but it's been their history though well it's it's a
deal where yes, there's it's multifaceted, right, where the Saints
injured to an extreme amount this year, even more so
than recent years. Yes, was that a situation exacerbated however
by a poorly constructed roster? I would say also, yes,
And then there's just a weird element of remember when
Darren Rizzy was like, Hey, remember guys, that added dynamic
warm up and hamstring's gonna way, So like, what are
we doing? And then you also have the added spice
in the mixture of Oh, the Pelicans are also the
most injured team in the planet, So what the hell
is going on in airline drive? I don't so it
is a very multifaceted discussion, but he seems to be
using it as a get out of jail free card
for what is a poorly constructed overall fifty three man ross.
Speaker 6: Well, it's a crap excuse because he wants to talk
about all the injuries. Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the NFC South.
They didn't have Chris Godwin for most of the year.
They didn't have most of their second Dear. Yeah, three
weeks ago, the Detroit Lions had twenty one players on
ILR Guess what. They're the one seeds. The Chiefs no
Rashi Rice all year, no Isaiah Pacheco all year, multiple
d line injuries. Signed Hollywood Brown in the offseason.
Speaker 7: He didn't play. Guess what, They're also the one seed.
Speaker 6: This is Mickey Loomis's fault because he doesn't have anybody.
We talked about it with UH, with Chris Olave and
Rashid jahat Out. We were like, oh, the receiver loom
looks bad. That's because you only had two Adams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had already looked awful before, right, it was
already like a glaring weakness before. Again, it's a it's
a bad roster. They got exacerbated by a rash of injuries.
And the problem is if you use those injuries. And
I hope they're not doing this internally. I hope this
is just all trying to, you know, please the shareholders.
But the problem is if you're really telling yourself, no, no,
the roster was fine. We just got unlucky. That's the
danger in this conversation.
Speaker 7: You're talking about bad roster.
Speaker 6: We were talking yesterday about all the players that had
left New Orleans and like had success elsewhere.
Speaker 7: Somebody asked them about Zach Bonn. Well, look, it's.
Speaker 5: Not something that you like, that's for sure, but I
understand the circumstances behind it. Look, we tried to sign
you know, Zach Bond, but he was looking for, you know,
opportunity to get more playing time and under the last
you know system, that wasn't gonna be as life.
Speaker 1: So look, I'm.
Speaker 5: Excited that we drafted those players and they've had success.
They were identified as talented players. But obviously it's not
great when they go and have success someplace else. That
hasn't happened a lot in our tenure here, but it
does happen, and no different than when we get somebody
from another team and they have success. Sometimes it's circumstantial,
but no, when you draft good players, you want to
keep them.
Speaker 6: It has happened a lot, actually because Zach Bonne was great,
But Trey Hendrickson led the NFL in sacks this year.
Speaker 7: That's a guy you let walk out of your building.
Speaker 6: Alex Anzeloni looked like a stud when he came back
from injury for the Detroit Lions. Cayden Ellis for your rival,
the Atlanta Falcons one hundred and fifty one tackles in
five sacks, CJ. Gardner Johnson third in the NFL, and
interceptions this year. As a matter of fact, he's had
thirteen over the past three years. Since you let him
walk and he goes, well, it's no different than when
we signed players from other teams. Okay, here's the guys
you've signed from other teams that have been good to
Mario Davis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hall of Fames.
Speaker 7: That's it. Am I missing an? What else we got? Guys?
You got Tomorrio Davis. That's it.
Speaker 1: I can tell you the bad contracts.
Speaker 3: I don't know about any more good ones as far
as like that impactful like Marcus May comes to mind.
Speaker 1: With the bad I'm trying to think of. He's on
practice squad. I'm trying to complete the Tata challenge and
find one other good free agent. There's one that we're missing.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not Foster's been all Rightster's been all
right for sure. That's probably for what you pay him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: The fact that we're sitting here and we're like.
Speaker 6: Uh, like we can we can rattle off and those
were just I mean, the guys that left that were
good in other places those are just.
Speaker 3: A bad I mean, look, I love Jamal Williams. That's
a bad signing signing for twelve million dollars Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 7: Remember, we were all excited about him being the wide receis.
Speaker 1: I was not excited about about mouth again, depressing, depressing,
breakdown there.
Speaker 3: Think about the money you gave Marcus May, like you
gave him big time money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was on. Marcus May was on. Well.
I was still blame Jerris Bird on Sean Payton or
at least covering the Saints at WWL. My understanding is
that Sean Payton was chasing the Earl Thomas legion of
Boom Ghost that beat him twice in twenty thirteen, and
that he kind of spearheaded that. But yes, Jeris Bird
is one. I mean, it blew up an entire successful
era of the Saints. They got rid of Sprolls, they
got rid of all these guys to bringing Bird. He
sucked it, never played. They would have just called me. Yeah,
It's all I needed to do. Also him to keep Sprolls, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because he went How many years did Darren play in Philly?
Like at a very high level five after that.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh yeah, exhaustome. Yeah, Chase Dubb says Chase Young. No,
Chase Young was so forgettable this year, Honey Badger, Sure tiring,
might might be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I considered him, but yeah, uh all right, let's
go to break.
Speaker 1: Do you have any more Mickey on the other side? Okay, yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: What back to sports talk?
Speaker 2: Maybe off the bench?
Speaker 1: What happened to y'all? Welcome back to OTB to you
have JAKEO Londra Tatay hanging out with you today today.
I hope everybody's having a good one this morning. We
Taity is doing the Lord's work right now as he
is advocating for the hoot At Nation. He is fighting
against the gaslighting of Mickey Loomis and what he's attempting
to pull the wool over your eyes with Taty. What
do we have next?
Speaker 6: Somebody asked him about something that you guys have talked
about a lot.
Speaker 7: On this show.
Speaker 6: Moving on from the Sean Payton era, and Mickey says
that it's not an issue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that I would agree with that.
I mean, I understand the connection between Shawn and Dennis,
but we had a lot of different staff you know, changes,
coaching changes. Look, two of the most successful turnarounds in
recent times are Detroit and Denver. Well, both of those
staffs are pretty well connected to New Orleans. So I'm
not sure what the criticism would be about or understand
what the Those are successful programs right that had a
lot of basis here, So I'm not sure what that
means necessarily.
Speaker 1: Well, if we go back to our triumvirate triumvirant comparison,
the problem is, Mickey, in one of those, it's because
Julius Caesar, the head coach, directly is the guy who
left and left you because he was tired of being here.
But like, so you don't get to claim credit for
the man who was the architect while he was here.
Now that he's left, you've shown that you were not
responsib well he was, and the other she is the
other guy you're referencing. You let walk, you let out
the building, so you chose wrong. It's like is it
crusade he chose poorly when he drinks out of the
wrong cup and then his face melts. Yeah, you chose
Dennis Allan over Dan Campbell and Aaron Glynn and Aaron Glynn.
So again, it's not to say that it's not You
don't get to take credit for Sean Payton having here
and then going and having success in Denver, because that
is Sean Payton. You don't get to claim anything with
Dan Campbell. You asked, ain't never been up to Detroit.
You didn't build that culture.
Speaker 3: You had him in your building for multiple years, and
you didn't identify the leadership skills that he had. Yeah,
that's on you. You don't get to take credit for
anything that happens there. The loser franchise that Dan Campbell
completely turned around and you didn't identify that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually it's it's a negative for you. It ain't
a positive.
Speaker 6: Speaking of loser franchises. Someone asked, you know, Mickey about
five and twelve, like admitting there's a problem.
Speaker 5: That's admitting a problem, absolutely, But that isn't just the coach.
You know, that's Hey, we got to look at ourselves,
you know, I got to look at the way you
know I'm operating, and I got to look at the
way that all of us in football operations are operating
all the way down to, like I said, the injury issue, right,
you know, all the things that contribute to a successful program,
you have to evaluate and make sure that it doesn't mean,
by the way, because the results aren't what we want,
doesn't mean that we're doing something wrong. There may be
some circumstantial things here, but we have to look at
all of it and be honest with ourselves. Hey, we
didn't do a good job in that area. We got
to do better.
Speaker 1: How can we do better?
Speaker 5: What are the specific things that we can address that?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is beyond the pale. So you just
tried to tell me that results. Be damned. Being five
and twelve doesn't mean you did anything wrong. It was
out of your control. It happened to you, not because
of you. This is classic narcissistic evidence. Be damned, my
way is correct. Everything just unlucky is happening to me,
and so my way is not working. That's a wild,
wild statement to be putting out there. I don't care
if you go five and twelve, but the pride to
not be willing to admit how you got there is
a real problem.
Speaker 3: This man acts like two thousand and nine was three
years ago too. Yeah, Like he acts like that super
was just a couple of I've had five children since
the last time you won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's been a very long time, Mick.
Speaker 3: That's not around the corner, but he acts like it is,
and like this arrogance that he has.
Speaker 1: Well, that line, that line about even though the results
were awful doesn't mean him were doing anything wrong, And
that's insane. It's an insane thing to say that. That
is a lack of accountability at the very top. And
if we believe here in America, how we structure our
organizations right where you have one guy at the top
a lot of times it's a very sort of monarchical
organizations that we run here. We believe that that kind
of stuff trickles down. So how is anybody else underneath
going to take accountability if the guy at the tip
top refuses to do so?
Speaker 6: Look, before we got to break this, here might be
my favorite quote. Mickey Loomis had the entire press conference.
Someone asked him about the coaching search and which makes
the Saints job attractive.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, look, we got the best professional
sports league in the world, right, and there's thirty two
jobs and a.
Speaker 1: Lot of guys want to be head coached.
Speaker 5: So every job is attractive, they just are, including ours,
And we have a lot of things to talk or
we have a great city, great fan base, we have
great ownership, we have had stability in our building for
a long long time, and I think we're viewed that way.
Speaker 6: No, we're in that answer. Does he explain how the
Saints job is attractive? You just said, well, it's the
NFL and every job's attracted. Yeah, thanks Mickey.
Speaker 1: I okay, So I will say, if I wanted to
say one thing here, I do believe that the stability
is one of, if not the best trait that the
Saints have going for them in a coaching search, because
Mickey Loomis is maybe the only GM that considered a
head coaching Canada and say hey, I'm unfireable and so
I will have your back for X amount of time.
I know we have ground to make up, but like
he is, he is one of the few GMS that
can sit there and say, look, this is how it's
gonna be, and you can actually believe that he will
likely be there for you, maybe unless he continues these
press conferences. All right, let's go to break. When we
get back, we'll wrap up our one.
Speaker 2: Off the Bench. Welcome back to the ninth ranked morning
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Speaker 1: Off the Bench, You got ship, Follow you quarter Back
OTV might even listen to a little emotional DMB after
Mickey Jersey around in the manner that he has taytay
surely the quote about the results being bad but doesn't
mean you're doing anything wrong. That was the last one, right,
Are we done?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean what a dismount from Mick. Absolutely insane, I
mean really crazy, Like I said, borderline narcissistic stuff.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 4: You had a couple in the dock that I have
pulled up. I don't know if you want to go
over them or not. It was a Derek carr One
and then let me see.
Speaker 1: Derek carr One just to trigger people. I mean it's
might as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I have high high level of confidence in Derek.
You know, listen, he did some really good things here.
He has done some really good things here. If he
had qualified, which I'm not sure if he did. I
mean his quarterback rating would be in the top ten,
interception rating would be in the top ten. Yeah, yards
per tamp would be in the top ten under some
really tough circumstances.
Speaker 1: And you don't have, you.
Speaker 5: Know, your top two receivers, and you don't have a
special weapon in Taysom Hill, and we don't have the
middle portion of our offensive line, and we have a
rookie left tackle. There's some tough circumstances for a quarterback
to deal with. So I think he's done a lot
of really good things.
Speaker 4: This isn't like Schrodinger's quarterback like if he would.
Speaker 1: Have, is it. He's not wrong about the context surrounding
Derek Carr, but it is very tone deaf to how
people feel about dere Carr. But this goes back to
what I'm talking about with Mike McCarthy. So, Mike McCarthy
out as a Cowboys head coach. Remember when we talked
to Nick Underhill last week, he seemed to be insinuating
very heavily that Mike McCarthy was an uber real candidate
for the New Orleans Saints. And in fact, the Bears
and the Saints are now going to interview McCarthy and
I kind of feel McCarthy similarly about how I feel
about Derek Carr Jacer. Again, objectively, the resume is really good,
Like there's a lot, I mean, it's texticly beut Ivan
sim McCarthy's better than Carr in that regard, But the
resume is really good. But he is deeply unexciting. And
you want to talk about some real sicko NFL mental
health stuff. Go into a season knowing you're cheering for
Mike McCarthy and Derek Carr to get it done. God,
that's crazy. That's crazy to me. You, I mean, you
just need something completely different. You do, you don't need it.
Speaker 3: And Mia McCarthy's resume outweighs Dennis Allen's by a thousand pounds. Yeah,
oh no, no, I mean yeah, That's what I'm saying is
but this isn't really even against Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: This is against what the Saints have done in the past.
Speaker 3: You need somebody that is young, exciting, is going to bring.
Speaker 1: A different energy. You need something completely different than you just.
Speaker 3: Had, which is you know, reatrian head coach who failed
in the spot that he was in before and again
by McCarthy's resume completely different than Dennis. He's won Super Bowls,
he's won playoff games. He even got the Cowboys to
the playoffs three times.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know.
Speaker 3: Now, there's some people out there like that are up
for this job that I still think I would take
Mike McCarthy over. But I think there's about five guys
that I would take before him as well.
Speaker 1: I mean I do only probably I only probably get
to a couple guys before I would want my.
Speaker 3: Guys that you don't even have a chance with, like Benjon,
like you don't have a chance with. Yeah, but I
would take him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh So we'll see what ends up happening with McCarthy.
But no, it is a very real possibility every role
with McCarthy car in the next season in the Super Dome.
You guys have no good Derek car is gonna be
good this year for top twelve. He was top twelve
this year. It's gonna be in this toft the bench
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