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Speaker 2: Hello? Philthy Movie Lovers, Something Weirdos and Anti Criterion Bros
To the third episode of the Short Ends, our series
of bite sized bonus episodes where we present the odds,
ends and ephemera that didn't exactly fit into our previous discussions.
In this minisode, we are following up on episode thirty
one love Land, where we discussed Gary Kent's ultra rare
melodramatic sexploitation masterpiece, Secret Places, Secret Things. We wanted to
spend some extra time talking about the people who helped
make this film's re emergence happen, as well as shine
a light on researchers who are going the extra mile
behind the scenes. So without further do onto more secrets
and more things. Why don't you and I get together
some night?
Speaker 3: Go to hotel, I, have a couple of drinks, get
between the sheets, just get.
Speaker 1: To know each other. Why, mister Taylor, I don't.
Speaker 2: Do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Well I don't either.
Speaker 2: Let's start with a message I got from mister Charles Devlin.
If you remember in the last episode, Chris Poggiali mentioned
that a key person in helping to unearth secret places,
secret things was a mister Charles Devlin, and so I
sent a message to Charles to see if he could
give us some more details about exactly how he came
into possession of this film. So I'm going to summarize
the message from Charles so his finding of secret places,
secret things. It was around the mid nineteen nineties, he says,
he acquired a VHS of a film called Satin Lips
from a British label called red Light Films. The tape
was issued around nineteen eighty four or eighty five, he said,
and all the credits had been removed and replaced with
a video generated title that said Satin Lips. So he
had this film for a while before he eventually watched it.
And while he had a feeling that Satin Lips was
not the actual title, he had no idea what the
real title was. So for a long time it sort
of remained a mystery. But eventually, around ten years or so,
he got friendly with mister Benneger syndrome Joe Rubin through Facebook,
and he described the film to Joe, and so Joe
came back with a number of couple possible titles, and
Charles checked up on them, but nothing really seemed to
click until Joe mentioned this movie Secret Places, Secret Things.
So Charles actually found a description of secret Places over
at the Temple of Schlock and everything sort of fell
into place from there. So he says that he also
believes that a copy was sent to Gary Kent before
he passed away, and because Gary wanted to revisit it
after all these years of it being missing. And I
think you had said as well, Casey, that when you
talked to Gary. I think Gary had said he saw
it right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The first time I spoke to him and asked
him about it was several years before this re emerged,
and he said, yeah, I don't know where it is.
And then once I got a hold of it, I
messaged him immediately and asked to be at a copy.
Speaker 2: He said, yes, I have a copy.
Speaker 4: I actually just confirmed because I just posted the first
like five minutes of the movie on my personal Instagram
because I.
Speaker 2: That's what I've want.
Speaker 4: I watched that on repeat because it's like a music
video for that instrumental version of Loveland and Lars from
Alamo Drafthouse commented on the video and said, uh, I yeah,
I got a copy of this several years ago and
was able to give a copy to Gary. So Lars
at Alamo was able to give him the copy of
the movie because he I think he was neighbors with
Gary too. So yeah, I didn't. I had no idea
that he was going to comment on that, but I did.
I did hashtag Gary Kent, so I don't know if
he just gets search results for new hashtag Gary Kent
on his old Graver right, So yeah, I he said
he hadn't seen it since he edited it, which is
interesting because we have an update on the editor too.
Yes it was Gary, yeah, so and that's that's something else.
Charles was able to clarify for us because I know
we had we you had suggested Gary grab was potentially
the editor due to the connections to Gary Kent and Grads,
and I agreed. I was like, oh, would make sense.
He was able to confirm that it was not Gary Graver.
It was a woman. A woman edited this film. Her
name was Susan Trieste Collins, and she also edited The
Blue Hour for Grads. She was assistant editor on a
movie called The Ski Bum which I have a copy
of and haven't watched yet. And then she was involved
with editing a lot of television through the nineteen eighties.
Then she retired and she worked in real estate. She
had a company called Trieste Properties in Ventura County And
unfortunately she died in twenty twenty one. But she did
leave a daughter who I'm hoping to reach out to
you to talk about her mom, because it's kind of
it's bittersweet. We get that update from Charles and I
think he found it in a book called Women Who
Edit Films. Yeah, it's because I asked him. I was like,
where did you find where? Where did you hear this?
Where did you find this? He said, no, it's in
this book. It says that she all of her credits
are in there, including secret places, secret things.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, and unfortunately it's one more person involved with production
of this movie who is not here to tell us
anything more about it. So, but yeah, I'd like to
reach out to the daughter. Maybe it's possible her daughter
doesn't even know anything about her mom's editing career based
on how old that she based on how hold the
daughter is but edited by a woman and that actually
makes it even more interesting to me, right, because the
rhythm of that movie and the focus on the women
and it's yeah, it's it adds that extra layer of
interest for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hesitate to say, like, well, you know, she's
a woman editor, so of course it has like feminine
rhythms to it. But you know, I think you can
make that argument if you wanted to.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't remember much about The Blue Hour,
but I I need to rewatch it, I guess. I mean,
I remember not liking it. I think I gave it
one and a half stars on Letterbox, so I guess
I should have rewatched it, especially because it co stars
Ed Blessington, who Chris and we talked about for from
his work in this uh in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about the location update we have regarding places
secret things.
Speaker 4: That was very exciting. So Mike McCollum, who is always
really good about reaching out after episodes and providing any updates,
so he was able to watch the film. And that's
something else that I'd love to see, by the way,
is the little trickle of reviews on letterbox that people
who are watching it and they're confirming that it's good
and I'm like, okay, good, it's not just me. It's
got people. It's not me blowing smoke. This is like
a mini masterpiece of the genre that more.
Speaker 2: People need to see.
Speaker 4: Okay. So he did some very very good research. Mike
is really good about locations. He and Sean Langrick are
actually both really good about locations. So he found a Yeah,
so we found a classified ad for this location for
and it was a hotel apartments. The Westgate Hotel was
the actual name of the hotel. It was at four
forty five Southwestern near Wiltshire, and it was these apartments
in this hotel were fifteen dollars a week or a
monthly rate. So essentially the beginning of the movie. Yeah,
when Theolograph is behind on rent, it's because she is
renting the room and living there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is funny that they actually worked that into
the film, like it was an actual you know, I
think people forget for a while there there were certain
hotels that you could also rent to stay long term,
and this was one of those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, he sent us a shot from Google
Earth that shows that right now it's for rent affordable
and modern studio units. There's a two to one three
phone number.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 4: All utilities included laundry on site, so you can rent
a studio apartment at the old Westgate Hotel if you
so desire. What else he really want to bump them
beyond finding virtually all the locations in this movie except
for or the studio where this stuff was shot. But
I don't know, I wonder if those are the actual
hotel rooms. There was you see a shot of a
restaurant called the Mexican Inn, and he found that which
is which was Rangell's Mexican Inn at fourteen forty Northwestern
near Sunset, So that was, you know, on the same street. Yep,
he sent a bunch of advertisements for them. Let's see
what else did he get he found He thinks that
the Eric Stern sequences on the college campus is probably USC,
which makes sense. He says that the friend and the
friend that he's walking with is wearing a shirt with
a USC logo on it, so that, yeah, he thinks
that's probably accurate.
Speaker 2: And again that was like, what was it twenty minutes away?
You know it was near Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifteen to twenty minute drive from USC to the
Westgate Hotel. So yeah, that was close by. He also
found two other locations. I don't know how he found
the construction side.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that one. I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: How you found the construction site. I think he said
it was Madison Enterprises and the apparently adjacent Spencer and Jones.
They were contractors and these were their headquarters, so it
wasn't actually a constructor it was not yeah, maybe not
a construction site, but contractors site. He also found the
Mandarin Custom Taylor, which is where Ed Blessington walks by
that place. It looks like it's been knocked down for
a two story strip mall based on Google Maps. And
he also was very helpfully pointed out that the Pussycat
Sunset Theater was very close to the Mexican Inn, so
it was all kind of shot really kind of close.
It's not like these New York films where he watch
Where You Go You hop all over Manhattan. This was all.
It all seems logical that this little universe that's captured
in the movie is all very closely connected and could
have been logical shot just hopping around a little you.
Speaker 2: Know, well in that kind of lolication more or less
confirmed that they probably shot this very quickly. This was
probably this could have been a weekend literally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it probably was. I mean, yeah, I think, well,
exteriors are probably done very quickly. Yeah, I'm not sure
about the about the schedule for like shooting the stuff
on the set, but yeah, there, I mean, there are
a surprising amount of setups in the movie that show that,
you know, there Dolly shots and things like that. So
he also, you know, I think a lot of us
commented on that rosen Krantz and Guildenstern poster, and he
found a playbill for it where it played in or
played in Hollywood. It was at the Amanson Theater in
April nineteen sixty nine, so it was a few years
before this. But yeah, he was kind of chucking to
see if any of the names in the cast had
any connections to the industry at the time, and he
didn't recognize any names. Okay, So yeah, Mike really went
above and beyond really insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fun, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I love it, And yeah, he really I mean,
he took screenshots of the maps, he took the screenshots
of the newspaper ads, he took Google Earth. Yeah, so
like we have a really great snapshot now of the
production of the movie in terms of how it moved
around to so many different locations for this little movie.
Speaker 2: Very interesting. Yeah, that is kind of the nice thing
sometimes about having digital access to these films as you
can you know, screen capture this stuff and freeze frame
it as you're like researching on a computer. Yeah, so
it's nice. Yeah. So yeah, like we said, this is
still available up on our Patreon if you want to
watch it yourself, give it a look and add more
reviews to letterbox, because you know, boutique labels are looking
at the this they are they are looking at these things.
They are seeing who's reviewing movies and the they are
response to them and getting ideas for future releases. So yeah,
cross your fingers.
Speaker 4: And I will say if anyone out there, I don't
know if we have any private collectors listening, If any
private collector has a print of this, it is your
duty to provide this to a Boots label for a
scan because they just based on what Charles said, the
original credits were removed, so we don't know if there
are additional credits with more people listed that we might
be able to know and research. In terms of crew members.
We might be able to identify the black actress who
plays the prostitute, We might be able to identify the
two hotel workers. So yeah, please if anyone has a print, like,
let's let's let it resurface, please.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that opening credits, if there are some
is yeah, that's kind of the holy grail for this
if we can find those. Yeah, I'm assuming they they
there was something there, And I mean that's it kind
of lines up with what Charles Devon said with regard
to the VHS. He got is it looks like someone
cut off the beginning so that they could insert that
satin lips credits.
Speaker 4: Right, right, But I do like that. He well, yeah,
I'm sorry, I think I like that. The version that
we have now doesn't have that fake correct, right, Yeah,
it starts with the actual movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone cut that part off because they realized this
is this was added, this is actually yeah.
Speaker 4: Now the end shot is the end shot is kind
of similar to a lot of these other cheap the
end title cards that are on like a lot of
weekend Wonders and sixteen millimeter storefront theater movies, where it's
just a little tiny like text blocks that are on
like a background. So that's that is kind of a
weird red flag for me. It was like, well, that
seems strengths for like a major movie from Grads Corp.
To have that on it. So then it makes you
wonder if the print that the company had access to
didn't also was missing credits. And then the end credit
that end shot was just tagged on by whoever distributed
the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you knows.
Speaker 4: A lot, a lot more mystery, a lot more mystery
we got to know about yep.
Speaker 2: But I feel like we've already kind of learned quite
a bit about this movie, more than we did, you know,
a month or so ago. Yeah, Yeah, but much more
to come. Hopefully keep sending us stuff that you find,
you know, and we will keep pounding the pavement for
secret places, secret things. Absolutely. Maybe a quick you know,
related to one last thing related to that movie is
you know Debbie Osborne. We are still interested in speaking
with her, and I did a little bit of recent church.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the key things you see in her biography
is that she went to high school in Minneapolis. So
I will say I did find her yearbook photo. I
think I'm comfortable putting this out there. People don't be
weird about it. Okay, I think we can trust our listeners, right, casey, casey, Shit.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think so. I mean, you know it, Yeah,
I think anybody who would know how to use this
information wouldn't be doing it for nefarious.
Speaker 2: Purposes, yes, you know. Yeah, but she she did graduate
from West High School in Minneapolis, Minnesota in nineteen sixty four,
and she had an emphasis on occupational relations, which is
kind of this. I don't know. I look through the yearbook.
A lot of people have occupational relations as their emphasis.
I think it was just kind of that throwaway thing.
I mean, everybody had to do something, So I think
that she, I don't know. It gives me the feeling that,
you know, she was probably moving around a lot. She
didn't have a lot of I don't think that she
was too interested in school that much. And clearly like
she left for California as soon as she could. So yeah,
I did not find any evidence that she went to
any other Minneapolis high schools. So again there's some mystery
there about what was going on with her family. Seems
like they were probably bouncing around for whatever reason.
Speaker 4: Right, And actually that reminds me. I need to recheck
that because you the information that you found is how
I was able to find her, because it was just
that little bit of extra information that I needed to
find her, and so including the obituary of her father,
which I need to recheck that because I wonder if
he was military. Yeah, yeah, because I don't remember now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we won't say what name she's going by now,
but I have reached out to her, so I will
let you guys know if I hear anything. But Debbie
is a she is alive. So that's good news.
Speaker 4: Thank goodness, because I remember I found she I found
I remember when I found what I thought was her obituary.
I was like, oh no, this is not her obituary. Okay, good,
you know, and we have an updated.
Speaker 2: Photo, which is great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's is really good. It's good to see you know.
So that's good. So essentially two of the stars of
this movie we I still haven't reached out to Naola.
Speaker 2: I've been too busy. This is my commentary weekend. I'm
doing the two commentaries. So yeah, the mention. Yeah, the photo.
The most recent photo of Debbie is from about ten
years ago, but she looks very healthy. She looks very Debbie.
She's outside in the sun. Yeah, it's a great photo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now she looks good.
Speaker 2: She looks good.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping she gets back to.
Speaker 1: You any wild good lady.
Speaker 5: Make you first, Gore.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we have for secret places updates. For now,
a few more things here. Let's talk about this new
Beverly lineup in February. Oh Lord, full rundown. I'm going
to chew him out for a couple of things. Hold on,
go ahead, Casey's well.
Speaker 4: I know you brought this up because you what the hell?
Whereas I'm I'm trying to find it because I know I.
Speaker 2: Well, so a little background, yeah, is if you haven't
seen it, the new Beverly, you know, the Quentin Tarantino
Theater is doing a whole month of I don't know
how are they billing it. Let me look at this again.
They're not calling it sex Bloy. Europe's Europe's in Hollywood's
finest adult films. It's like a throwback to the Arrows Theater.
Say that it's at the very top, is it?
Speaker 4: It's not in the calendar. I'm looking at interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well let me read this. So in February, you
present a month long tribute to the new Beverly's earliest
business model, the Aeros, a theater showing exclusively erotica from America, Europe,
and Scandinavia. So yeah, that's the theme for the month. Okay, interesting.
Well let me just say first of all, Yeah, this
is a crazy lineup for a lot of reasons. And
I don't understand how they do this because it feels
like they should be spacing this stuff out. I don't know,
it seems like a lot to take in for a month.
I don't know how this business model works for this theater.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, this is a theater that famously Quentin
Tarantino bought and said it's gonna be thirty five millimere
only and proceeded to dismantle their digital projector and said
this doesn't belong here. And I was like, well, they
just spent money on this and I all this shit.
So I was like, look, an't Tarantino? Are you covering
those costs of ripping this thing out of the theater?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I don't know, because we have we've had this conversation
about Los Angeles audiences strangely being very anti sex and
I don't know what that's about.
Speaker 2: I could see this.
Speaker 4: Going over really well, even a full month, even in
like Chicago or New York. I wouldn't see a whole
month working like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, my issue is like, I don't you just
have such a small window to see.
Speaker 4: These and you have to go Some of them are
one day.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of you know, projectionists chime in. I know,
it's a lot of work to do this, to project film.
So it's like they're doing they're doing changeovers every day.
I don't know why they don't run some of these
for a little bit longer to give people a chance
to see them. Because now it's just like you want
to see Wife Mistress with Laura Antonelli, and you know
you have tuesdayday or Wednesday. This is like, this is
a movie that's never I mean it's screened in the
US when it was released pretty extensively, but yeah, you're
never going to see this again. Screened in the US,
A lot of these you won't see again. So it's like,
give give them a few more days to like get
there and see it. I don't Yeah, that's my rant.
Speaker 4: Well, Also, I think I feel like they're also just
going by whatever prints they have available. If they if
this was actually being programmed as a monthly program that's
spotlighting like the genre, then I think that they would
it would there would be some different selections here. I
think it's kind of like, well what do we got? Okay,
this kind of works for this, and it's just like, well, no,
it doesn't fair. No, No, Blood Spattered Bride is not
an exploitation movie.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that movie, but no, And why
is it pair within the realm with a census when
there are other Asian Asian sexploitation movies that could have
worked with that.
Speaker 2: It's very it's very weird. Yeah, I just I would
want to see it like spaced out February in Arch
and let a few of these play for a few
more days. That's just my That's what I would have done.
But I don't know, maybe that's how they work. Yeah,
it's just like, well, you got a day to go
see it, and if you miss it, you miss it.
Speaker 4: I guess that's pretty typical for their for their calendar though.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and then.
Speaker 4: I understand that it may it creates that sense of urgency,
like you don't want to miss this, so come. That's
why when I did my series, we showed those those
that screenings happened once. You had to come to see
it that night or you were going to miss it.
And so you need to prioritize around a thirty five
millimeter screening with guests one time only and it's not
going to be shown again. So I get it. I
get it, And that's why some of these other some
of these are double features, and some of them are
single features, which I think is insane. Uh, are for
two days, but then you have stuff like what are
some of them? I don't know. Do we want to
do a rundown of this?
Speaker 2: We don't have to go day by day, but well
that's okay, so let's just start. Yeah, every second, sure
student nurses, private duty nurses, and the young nurses. I
haven't seen any of these nurses.
Speaker 4: Student nurses is amazing, Private judy nurses is terrible, Young
nurses is fun. So basically, if you're gonna go, it's
not worth paying for all three of those. But if
you must see student nurses, take a naptor in private
duty and then wake up for young yeah, private, that's
how terrible terrible.
Speaker 2: Is that how it works as well. Is it each
movie is a ticket price or is it.
Speaker 4: You're paying for the whole package. Yeah, you're not paying
for movie. You're basically paying for that triple feature. It's
one admission price.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's why. Like my friend Dan, who I
love I went to high school with, and he's an
editor out and he does editing for like reality shows
and stuff. He posted on Facebook and tag me and
I said, Okay, what do I need to go see?
And I said, there's really only four that you need
to prioritize. Four out of the entire fucking month. Is crazy?
That just gotta shows the Yeah, I don't know what
these choices are.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's day one. Yeah, so February, third, and fourth,
you got, like I said, Wife Mistress and Divine Nymph
for which are it's a it's an answerin Ally and
Mastrianni pairing. Yeah, they're both in that again, Like, well,
you know, I have an interest in Wife Mistress. It's
one of Annie Bell's first, like really serious roles. It's
one of her favorite roles. She's great in it. Yes,
so I would love to see that, but I.
Speaker 4: Well, I know that you need to get out there
for next week, right, I got to book a ticket
for one week exactly, yes, exactly, But yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I was looking back at some of the ads for that,
and you know it was you know, it played widely
in the United States, as you know, an Italian sexy
art film. It did pretty well. So I like that
sort of thing. Yeah, I think you might like it.
I like it. It's a good movie. So I will skip.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's skipping, right, I'll skip this two days.
Speaker 2: I can save my money.
Speaker 4: What's the next?
Speaker 2: What are the next? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the dates? Soundm going back Friday.
Speaker 2: February fifth and sixth. Revenge of the Cheerleaders and Sex
on the Run. What's your TAKEE?
Speaker 4: Why would you not pair it with the Cheerleaders? Made
by They're both Richard Lerner movies. Richard Lerner was involved
with the first Cheerleaders and then he directed Revenge of
the Cheerleaders.
Speaker 2: So why again, Maybe they just.
Speaker 4: Don't have a pee and that's that's an issue. There
is a print of it, I guess, just not in LA.
But that's that's one of those things where like I
don't know, Sex on the Run is does not match
this and it's terrible. It's it's AKA. Isn't AKA sound
like it cool? Isn't that it? It's a Tony Curtis movie.
It might not be that, but it's Tony Curtis, and
I don't need to see a sexy movie starring Tony Curtis.
Speaker 2: You gotta be kidneing me.
Speaker 4: So no, that's another one. If you're gonna pay for it,
see Revenge of the Cheerleaders. Skip out on the Tony
Curtis movie. Revenge of the Cheerleaders is really so much fun,
and so that's why it would have been great to
put it with, like, I don't know, Swinging Cheerleaders, Yes,
and it's Jack Hill, one of Tarantino's favorites. That would
have made sense. Or if you want to do a
Rainbow Smith double feature, you could have paired it with,
you know, Swinging Cheerleaders, which, well, yeah, Swing Cheerleaders is
Rainbow Smith. That would have made total sense. So I
don't know, I know, Prince exist of that.
Speaker 2: And February seventh and eighth, we got the the og
Emmanuel and we have Black Emmanuel. I know you are
not a fan of this. Parent you want to see
a Manuel Original America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the original Black Emmanuel is not good.
Speaker 2: I think it's fine. I think the pairing works on.
It's just like the two you know, the two ogs.
You know, sure, I like it.
Speaker 4: I mean, so go watch Emmanuel, except the second half
of that movie is rough, and then Black Emmanuel the
same thing. It's like Black Emmanuel. It's the reason why
Black Emanuel is not as good as the rest is
because it's one location. The rest is her hopping all
over the place and there's different adventures and stuff. Black
Emanuel is her stuck with the same boring ass rich
people in Africa. It's like, okay, anyway, can we move on?
Can you go like see a guru in India or
you know, like a prince in in Egypt or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the Joe Dematto ones, but I still
know it's a good start to if you want to
see you know where Laura got her Black and Manuel start.
Speaker 4: You know, sure, Actually, you know what, I would have
even preferred Emanuel too, to see her. She's even better
in that than she is. She's she's barely in that,
but she's better in that than in Black and Manuel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would have been fun. Just do a man.
Yeah one and two. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. After this,
you know that new sever and Emmanuel set came out.
It's interesting to see that the consensus is clearly am
Manuel Too is the best, the best one. Everybody loves it,
the best one. It's just fun to see everybody like
coming around on that, like, yeah, it's absolutely the best one.
That's definitely the best one. Yeah. Sorry, just just Jackie
in or whatever.
Speaker 4: Who Yeah, he's fine. I like Wendelin a lot, but
I hate story about so.
Speaker 2: February ninth, we have the genre long double feature. They're
calling it Thrill of the Vampires, which is interesting.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's the American version.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was released in that under that title.
Harry Novac claimed that he had that movie, and he didn't.
He never distributed it. He just had a print in
his vault. And uh, because I think he got once
when he did Cage's Virgins, I believe that he also
got a print to Thrill the Vampires to screen to
potentially distribute it, and then he didn't distribute it. Yeah,
so that's why is this something we dubbed it out? Yeah?
Probably Yeah, it might be even that print. I don't know,
it might be very curious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if the music's changed. No, because I've
seen that version. It is not. Oh okay, all right, Yeah,
it's it's the.
Speaker 4: Same English dub version that we're familiar with and nothing else.
Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, and yeah it's paired with This is
so funny they're pairing it with uh, you know, Gen's
like soft core sex film fly Me the French Way
again this, So this must be the English dub I'm guessing, yes,
which is I don't know if that's any difference from that,
not that you know. I No, I don't think it is,
because I mean even the most recent uh Blu ray
for fly Me the French Way, which is under the
title Buccanalis Sexualist, it has to fly Me the French
Way opening credits. So yeah, I think they're the same.
So again, yeah, that's Casey's saying pass on that. Yeah,
it's a snoozer for a lot. It's it's so long,
but it's going so long.
Speaker 4: But then again, this is the American version. Maybe they
cut it down, that's possible, but I don't know. But
I mean, I like thll the Vampires enough. Why is
this not with cage versions? Yeah, cage versions makes total sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know.
Speaker 4: And prince and Prince exists, a lot of prince exists.
So I'm just like, okay, that's what I mean. I'm
just kind of like, I don't know what y'all are doing.
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah again, Flying Me the French Tray has
Annie Bell, so I have to sho so crazy. Yeah
that there's I look at this and yeah, that really
shocked me. But yeah, that's her very very first film.
She was very very young, that is all I wasting.
Speaker 4: If she was, that's going to be awkward. If anyone
that audience does any kind of Google search, I know,
or they watched the movie so interesting, they already are.
They're already sexphobic, and they're going to be mad thinking
they're watching kiddie.
Speaker 2: Porn now, yep, yep, Yeah, that's great. Hey, it was
different in Europe, that's all I'll say.
Speaker 4: It was. You could still buy Tracy Lord's movies over there.
Speaker 2: February tenth and eleven in the Realm of the Senses
and yeah, like you said, blood Spattered buy very weird pairing.
Speaker 4: I love both and I actually did suggest to my
friend go see those because both are great, but they
have nothing to do with each other. And one is
hardcore basically, and the other is it's a vampire horror
movie with some sexy stuff. The sexiest thing in that
is when when she's buried in the sand with her breasts.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh, it's like.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we're sun tanning, slash burning your breasts and
nothing else.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's very visually stylish, just like in the realm of
the census, but it's kind of yeah, I mean there,
we know there are prints of Japanese stuff that this
could have been paired with.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know who was a big fan of Blood
Spattered Bride was our friend just below this role here,
David F. Friedman. I remember he told that story. Really
he went over to Europe and he wanted to buy it,
but somebody else bought it. He loved that movie. Yeah,
Oh I did not know that. Yeah, I heard him
say that in the commentary. Yeah, and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, it was whoever it was, whoever released it
with I just remember Mama, right, and I forget who
that was. Yeah, which is crazy because I feel like
they would have had. I feel like it might have
been a smaller outfit. I would have thought they would
have had less money than Dave would have.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: Dave didn't really have them any imports that he handled.
Speaker 2: No, that's why I was Yeah, it was an interesting story.
February twelfth and thirteenth, we got Pretty Maids in a
Row a Rock Hudson movie, and High School Girl a
Sergio Martino movie.
Speaker 4: So you have a Hollywood film with an Italian import,
which is crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised.
Speaker 4: I don't know schoolgro Report movies?
Speaker 2: Actually? Is that too problem Are those too problematic?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: Did those play? They played?
Speaker 4: Okay, they all played here. The Hemisphere pictures handled like
three of them. Yeah, they pretty much all played here
under really wild titles. But yeah, yeah, well, I well,
isn't class what is it Campus Swingers? Wasn't that a
school Report movie that was a major release by Hemisphere?
And then they handled School Report as the schoolgirls? Uh
it was not tempting roommates something weird. Handle a lot
of them and they discontinued several of them. But in
High School Girl on like whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the theme there is high.
Speaker 4: School Girls yeah, Pretty Maids All in a Row is
Rock Hudson sleeping with his students. Yeah, yeah, I like
Pretty Maids All the Row. It's Roger Vadeen being a purv.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that Martino is a pretty deep cut. I mean,
if you can get out to see that, you should
definitely try, because that has not I don't believe that's
seen any sort of North American release on home video.
That I it's really wild.
Speaker 4: I thought that it did. I think I'm thinking of
something else. Yeah, I'm confusing it maybe with like a
Fernando de Lao film possible.
Speaker 2: Oh there's yeah, there's some DVD some like Italian I think,
floating around. But yeah, that's interesting one.
Speaker 4: I thought maybe Maya Communications put it out, But I
must be thinking of something else, all right.
Speaker 2: February fourteenth and fifteenth, go off, fixent and up.
Speaker 4: Who the fuck Chowse This like Vixen is great, But honestly, again,
I'm thinking of this ultra wope, super surprisingly conservative New
Beverly audience that are gonna have to deal with. First
of all, she's a racist. Second of all, she fucks
her brother. Third of all, she does the fish dance.
So I'm just like, I don't know how this is
gonna go over with these, with these you know, with
these namby Pamby people. Up is even worse. Up is
almost is so much sexual assault. Raven to lacross thing
where she's her opening sex scene is her almost beaten
to a bloody pulp in a river. I think this
is an odd choice. I personally would have done Viction
and super Vixen's Yeah, or I wouldn't have done Ultra Ditions.
But yeah, Vixen and Superdictions. I would have done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then at least if you are staying for
both with super Vixen's look, I mean there's another Yeah,
like pretty rough, that bathtub beating scenes bad, but it's
a lot more fun. It's it's you. You'll leave the
theater feeling not completely like deflated. Right.
Speaker 4: It has good references to like the rest of his movies,
and if you watch it after Vixen, you Garth Pillsbury
is in Supervictions as well, so you get the reference
to him returning in Supervixen's Yeah. So I don't know,
I'm very precious about my russ Meyer stuff, So yeah,
I was kind of like, Okay, here we go. Everyone's
trying to make up a thing again, and it's just like, guys,
give up a rest please.
Speaker 2: February sixteenth, we got the David double feature Defilers and
to Smell Honey swallow'brien.
Speaker 4: Yep, and that's one I gotta go see this. And
I'm telling you right now they made it a one
night only because specifically of the roughy angle. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a smell of honey and also when you I
saw a Smell of Honey at the Anthology Something Weird series,
and I think that was the screening that Frank Hannelotter
came to and sat behind me and watched and we
were like, oh my god, there's extra stuff in this
print that you know, this was missing on the DVD whatever.
That walking out of that movie at the end of
the movie, after she's been beaten into submission, it's kind
of like, okay, going out into the night. I'm just
thinking in terms of that audience mindset. For me, I'm
kind of like, well, Stacy's walker is walking out of
our lives. We'll never see her again. That's why the
ending is sad to me. Yeah, But I think I
think people were like, Oh, this is so sad. She's
being punished for her sexual promiscuity and her fake cries
of rape. Yeah, great double future.
Speaker 2: Lisa said, yeah, they helped provide those prints, I believe,
but that's.
Speaker 4: What so smell honey. I will say if you have
a chance to see it, and it's one of only
two prints, so I hope it doesn't break them the projector.
But I mean that was my that was my fear
when when the screened it Anthology and I was like,
please don't let it die. And it didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. February seventeenth and eighteenth, they got
the Swedish Art House double feature of Monica and directed
by Ingmar Bergman and with the Ingmar Bergman of forty
Second Street. Inga yeah, go ahead, what do you think?
Speaker 4: Well, I initially was against this, but then someone made
a good point that it might be a print of
the Kroger Bab version of Monica, which is not available
and has never come out on video. With I think
there's different music, and I think there's some additional footage
that's added, so for historical purposes, I would want to
see the Kroger Bab version.
Speaker 2: How Ever, if it's a.
Speaker 4: Print from Janis Films, then it's just Summer with Monica.
But I think based on this artwork, it might be
the Kroger Bad version, which I would die to see.
But I still don't think it's a good double.
Speaker 2: Feature with Inga.
Speaker 4: I think it should be Inga in either Seduction of
Inger or Made in Sweden, which is basically the remake
with Christina Lindberg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Prince.
Speaker 4: Do exist of that, but MGM might say no because
MGM has us rights on that, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, they they probably got a hold of the
Monica print and then they wanted to pair it with something.
Speaker 4: And and they're both black and white, so that makes
that makes sense thematically Inga. I'm interested to see how
an audience reacts to that, because I feel like, I
know it was very popular then I think a lot
of people think it's slow. Now I love it. I
still love it, but yeah, I'm very intrigued to see
how that goes over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. It's gonna be interesting to check letterboxed
the day after night.
Speaker 4: You've better believe February I'm checked and all this ship
just to see and to make myself angry essentially.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't do that to yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, I know, it's just you know, it is
what it is. Well, honestly, I sometimes like when there
are people who do give good reviews and are like, oh,
this was really great and I really love this, but
there's it feels like they're so few and far between.
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah, sometimes it yeah, we rag on these guys.
But yeah, sometimes it feels performative, like go see a
dirty movie and make fun of it on letterboxed afterwards, and.
Speaker 4: Then you're like a two weird review that's funny, and
I'm like, this is is this the new is this
the new comedy? Yeah, this is where comedy is now.
So I'm like, I don't know. I like the idea
that you're getting a lot of these prints are incredibly rare, so.
Speaker 2: I yeah, like spend a you know, spend a day
on it, you know, like sleep on it, and then
come back and write review. You don't have to write
your review in the movie theater as the credits are playing. Guys, Okay, no,
that's crazy.
Speaker 4: No, let it sink in, let it let it wash
over you die ingest it and then.
Speaker 2: Do a review.
Speaker 4: Yes, at least give it a couple hours, like I
typically will do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, February nineteenth and twentieth Arabian Nights, Pasolini ass. I
mean like I like his you know, Canterbury series of
his de Cameerontics, but I don't know if this is
my favorite one. But I still think it would be
great to see you on film on a big screen.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, No, Solo, We're not going to
see Solo's played out, man, and they wouldn't work with
that audience. I still I've never seen it theatrically.
Speaker 2: So sallows the new Possession. Man, I'm tired of hearing
about it.
Speaker 4: Well, Possession, I will die on this hill. Possession is
so overrated. I really hate a Possession.
Speaker 2: Did I ever tell you?
Speaker 4: I think I'm the only person in the world that
hates it.
Speaker 2: I just think it's so annoying. I saw a print
of it up here. Actually they played a film print
and for the first thirty or forty five minutes, for
whatever reason, there was like this shrill noise on the soundtrack.
I don't know if there's something baked into that print.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: So it was so annoying, and then you know, the
film also is what it is, so yeah, it was
like it was like an assault, even more of an
assault on my senses. Yeah, I don't care for it.
Speaker 4: I think. Also is I can't believe Isabella Johnny won
Best Actress that can for that. When everyone's like, oh
my god that scene in the subway, I'm like, oh,
the scene where there's no direction and she basically does
what ever the fuck she wants and the director has
no control over the scene. Yeah, I don't like that scene.
I think it's so fucking annoying. So yeah, very unpopular
opinion because everyone loses their mind over this movie.
Speaker 2: I've never liked that movie. Yeah's move on before we
get too much hate mail. February twenty First, this is exciting.
Here you go, oh Mitchell Brothers double feature. This is exciting.
Tell us about these Sodom and Gomora and Autobiography of
a Flea. I don't know anything about these.
Speaker 4: So Soldom and Gomorrah was the Mitchell Brothers very expensive
follow up to Resurrection of Eve, and they decided they
wanted to do this really extravagant biblical epic. So they
had a leading lady that they I think ran off.
They they made. Yeah, I think that they just funneled
every penny that they had into this movie, and it
was a huge bomb. It's a huge disaster, and I
think they took a lot of time trying to get
money back on it. I don't I think it came
out of video. I'm not sure it came out of
video here. I think it came out in video overseas.
And the only reverson I've seen is disgusting, but it
is going to be restored by Vinegar Syndrome as part
of the Mintchell Brothers line.
Speaker 2: Like disgusting, the print was like ragged or what.
Speaker 4: It's just really fuzzy and gross. Yeah. The VHS answer,
the one that's been circulating all over the place, is
just just it's it's just not Visually, it doesn't capture
all the budget that they put into the movie. It's
kind of like Wakefield Pool's Bible, except it's not.
Speaker 2: It's better than that.
Speaker 4: I didn't like Wakefield Pool's Bible that much. But an
autobiography of a flea is an adaptation of like a
famous like dirty like an old dirty book from like
the Victorian era or whatever that was kind of passed
passed around to people you know under counters and stuff,
and that's Gene Jennings and I think her first role
as an adult because when she started in porn she
was underage and then she after she did Autobiography of Flea,
she married Just Bnell. And it's also Paul Thomas's first
adult movie after Jesus Christ Superstar and that Haven is
in it. I think it's her first movie with the Mitchells.
Speaker 2: I think Paul was doing like and stuff for a
long time, right, but this is.
Speaker 4: He did a gay he did his first feature. No,
he had never he had. The only thing hardcore before
this he had done was it was a gay loop
for Falcon. Yeah, he was a three way scene and
he's actually very into it. So I'm actually was that
before or after? I try to go by his facial hair.
The facial hair is how you can tell. But yeah, no,
he that was. This is his first one, and this
was the same year that he did Emmanuel Around the World.
He's on that opening sequence with Laura Gemzer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Know that's a good double feature, especially because they're both
incredibly rare to see in good quality, especially Sodom and Gomorrah.
Speaker 2: So I really like to see how that print looks. Yeah,
that's so February twenty second, we have more hardcore. We
got Through the Looking Glass and Bacchanalle with Adibin Yes
and lud the Boys and my third feature feature.
Speaker 4: I wonder, I don't know, I would like to see
what I don't because I don't know who programmed this.
Through the Looking Glass that was that's when I screened
that in anthology from my series. That was one of
the best experiences seeing that. Yeah, it was life changing
seeing that movie in a theater with an audience, captive
audience and they're just mesmids by.
Speaker 2: It was a great experience.
Speaker 4: Bac and all. I'd like to see in theaters too.
That my work is like an artsy, fartsy film with
this particular audience. And Uh, I wonder what the third
feature is. I feel like it's something else horror adjacent, probably.
Speaker 2: To fit in with these two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I did uh And actually, yeah, this weekend
I would be living at that theater because I'd be
seeing those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those two porno uh bills for sure. Yeah, well,
it's nice to see they're not programming corruption again for
a million.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to put that to bed please because yeah,
I mean, if you're gonna do do pink ladies, make
a chance do Her name was Lisa. Like you know,
corruption is it doesn't really work with an audience. I
learned that the hard way. Yeah, so, Ruben and I
both learned that the hard way.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did. So Sunday is the sexy sci fi
double feature. We have the girl from Starship Venus and
Flesh Gordon. These are also hardcore. No yeah, wait, okay,
I thought that there was a Yeah. I don't know why.
I always think it is hardcore. Maybe because there's somebody
supposed to be hard for people in it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was supposed to be hardcore and then they
ended up not being hardcore. Plus Gordon's great. That is
so much fun. I have seen that in a theater,
uh through a print. It screened weirdly at like a
DC theater at midnight screening, and I took my brothers
and sister to go see it because I was like, guys,
this is you can you can see some of the
people that I love and it's not hardcore. And they
really loved it. They laughed, they laughed just as much
as I did. So Yeah, Flesh. Gordon's great. I wish
you didn't have to sit through Gout the Girl from
Starts with Venus to see it, but it is what
it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they should have swapped those maybe, I think so. First, Yeah,
I mean the.
Speaker 4: Double feature is typically that's what you should be doing.
You should put you're supposed to lead with the strongest one,
and then people can leave if they want to if
the second one's not as good. Yeah, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 2: So if you're listening programmer, it's not too late. You
can flip those right. February are twenty fourth. February twenty fourth,
and twenty fifth, we have the the Proto Giallo Day.
Here we have Paranoia aka or Gasmo and The Sweet
Body of Deborah. You are not a fan of Deborah.
You think it's slow boring? I like it.
Speaker 4: Paranoia is great though. Yeah, everyone is terrible in that movie.
There are no there are no people to root for
in that movie. It's great. I really quite enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love Castel that Yeah. Yeah, she's great in Face.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That soundtrack is good, including that song that plays
over and over and over The Driver Mad.
Speaker 2: This is good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is probably gonna be I imagine
it's probably the US X rated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna say, yeah, this does have
distinct versions, So.
Speaker 4: The US X rated cut, Uh, yeah, I think it
eliminates dialogue, but it also eliminates some dialogue which isn't necessary.
Speaker 2: But then it all seems a little nunity. I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ending is different. Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2: You go see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sleep before Deborah, take a nap during Deborah, and
then you can talk about paranoia with people at the
end of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean again, like I don't know the
situation with Prince, but there are other Carol Baker Giallo's
you could have used instead, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they also could have put it with maybe Sacrilege,
Andy Warhol's Bad, which was an X rated movie technically
when it came out out. That's a great movie anywhere,
all as bad as terrific. And that's when that Vinicercinder
were supposed to have put out. But I think something
happened with either rights or elements, So I think it's
on permanent back burner for Okay, the Foreseeable Future. That's
a really good one though.
Speaker 2: February twenty sixth and twenty seventh, we have the big
Coleiguila Ultimate Cut. No thanks, no, thank you. I'm still
really mad.
Speaker 4: I don't know why no one has asked Tinto Brass
to create his cut. Why has he been left out
of the conversation for decades now? I don't understand that,
like this ultimate cut is just like a fan edit
that somehow got a major distribution deal. I think it's crazy.
Intento Brass has disowned it. That's all I need to
know if you want something to do with it, So
I'm like, well, I get it, dude, they should have
asked you to create your cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that production is just so insane that I
don't know what's going on with people's rights to certain
versions and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: It's also just boring. That's why I'd like to see
Tinto Brass's version, because Tinto Brass doesn't make boring movies.
So I feel like if he edited it the way
a Tento Brass movies edited, if included the foot is
that he wanted, then I feel like it would flow better.
It might actually work as a movie. No version of
this I've ever seen has been good.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we also have the last double feature February
twenty eighth and March first, Domiano's Deep Throat and Hot
Summer in the City.
Speaker 2: What is going on with this double feature? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's because Deep Throat is the most famous
adult movie and haw Summer in City is Tarantino's quote
unquote favorite adult film. But what does he know? You know,
that's like Anderson saying, no, I don't know who cares. No,
he's in it. No he's in Israel. I don't Yeah
he is, Yeah, No, he can go, he can go
choking Israel. This is also a die. I mentioned this
to Diana Gino message me and he's like, what do
you think about this? You know how many messages from
people that I got asking me for my thoughts on this,
on this thing.
Speaker 2: And you said, hold on, we're gonna Actually we didn't
actually we didn't actually plan this. We just I I yeah,
I just I.
Speaker 4: My friend Dan posted and tagged me, and because I
love Dan uh and he lives in La that I
was just like, Okay, I'm gonna lay this out and
then I'm gonna take a screenshot. I'm gonna post it
to Instagram and then people can just yea smart do
with it what they will.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't mind it, you know, I love a chance
to tell people what I think. But I described this
double feature as both diabolical and clueless.
Speaker 2: Somehow, it's both.
Speaker 4: Somehow, it's both diabolical to have a sucks comedy like
Deep Throat, which actually Deep Throat it gets a bad rap.
I enjoy Deep Throat. I would go see it in
a theater, and then pair with Hot Summer in the City,
which is this brutal like black sploitation rape revenge movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's a terrible double feature. I think it's illogical.
I think if they were gonna do the double feature
and close out the month, that should have been Deep
Throat and Devil Miss Jones, because at least it's Domiano
and those are the two most important point of k
movies from that period, and there are so many prints
of double in Miss Jones. So I think Hot some
of the City's probably bending the knee to Tarantino.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would still go. I would still go.
Speaker 2: But you could have paired it with some you know,
like Deep High Rise, a Deep Throat, or a Deep
Throat adjacent movie, you know, like high Rise.
Speaker 4: High Rise was a follow up to Deep Throat, and
it's actually better than Deep Throat. And we showed it
at my series and the audience loved it so that.
But they don't the people whoever did this doesn't know
high Rise. They don't know these They don't know what
sex comedies would work from this era. To pair these two,
Chuck Vincent Print like, misbehaving is around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just what it is. You know what they
should have done. They should have done Sarno's Deep Throat
part two.
Speaker 4: He likes that softcore that would have worked. But no,
it's terrible.
Speaker 2: It's so bad. Hey, don't tell. Don't tell Bowen that.
Speaker 4: Bowen knows what I think about it. We've had that
conversation in person. He knows exactly what I think about it.
I'm like, he's like, I'm like, I'll let you have
your favorite. We all have our favorites that nobody else likes.
I can't name any of mine right now, but nobody likes.
Speaker 2: We kind of, uh, we kind of laughed at John Hayes,
director in Comedy Mode, is not our favorite. Joe Sarno
in Comedy Mode is also not our favorite.
Speaker 4: No, the only one that actually is is legitimately amusing
is Touch of Genie.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I do like that one quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: Everything else is not good. It's very borsch felt his
his comedy sensibility.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, which is wild because he's Italian. He's not
He's not right, He's like borse Belt. It's typically like
you know, like a certain form of Jewish comedy, like
baggy pants comedians.
Speaker 2: I think he's I guess like that. I think he
hung around with those people. And we'll have to ask
well again, we'll have to ask Bowing about that, because
it is very It's a very clear through line in
his comedy. Yeah. So, yeah, it's a bummer.
Speaker 4: I wish that was he Well, then you have things that,
but then you have actual funny moments and like young
American housewife like Chris Jordan who can't stop eating, like
her thing with food. I'm like, see, this is something
nice and subtle and character based, which I still find
really amusing. And I think it's probably why Touch Genie
works is because Chris Jordan's really good and that Tina
Russo is really good in that Doug wets his face,
who fakesbook keeps suggesting to me as a friend the
male leite of it. It's not Doug Stone, is it.
I forget what his real name is, but yeah, he
keeps they keeps suggesting him to me, And I'm like,
I don't need to be friends with him. I only
liked him and touch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have anything to talk to him about.
Speaker 2: I don't think you've seen Sarno's Doctor Jeco movie. Have
you the Switch or How to Alter your Ego?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I have not. The comedy that one's pretty good, Yeah,
is it okay? Jordan? Jordan's really funny in that one.
Speaker 4: Anything anything Chris Jordan, I mean, she never she never
did anything. The only bad movie she made was Massage
Parlor Murders, Yeah, which she doesn't seem to be having
much fun in. Everything else is great.
Speaker 2: Well, that was our impromptu rundown of the New Beverly
Cinema line. No, we did twenty six.
Speaker 4: No, I'll tell you New Beverly. I admire what you do.
I'm glad that you I'm glad you're taking a chance
with this. I just wish that there was a little
more care with the programming.
Speaker 2: I'll just put it that way. I'll get props where
they're due.
Speaker 4: I just think there could have been some improvements there,
but that's just you know.
Speaker 2: But still, yeah, whatever, it's you know, they're I'm just
happy some of this stuff is getting screened and hopefully
people are receptive to it and they actually, you know,
who knows, open up some open up some eyes and minds. Maybe.
Speaker 4: Well, well, kind of what we did for our series
when we programmed it, so it was I worked with
Joe and Steven to pick the right movies for that series.
So what we did was we started by listing what
we wanted to show and then went to print availability,
so we had an idea of what we wanted first.
We didn't base it around what was available. So I
think whoever programmed this, if they had a general idea
of what they wanted to do for the entire month,
rather than just relying on whatever princes they had available,
that it would have been more consistent across the board.
I'm just saying, if you're a programmer, start with that.
Don't go by with what's available. If you have to
make some concessions or replacements, that's fine, but start with
an idea of what you want to do. And it
doesn't seem like they had any idea what they wanted
to do, except well, we're gonna do like a sex month,
so whatever sexy stuff we have in the Prince, then
let's just program this shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last couple of things here you wanted to.
Speaker 4: Tease, Yes, we Well what I'm trying to think of
how to properly tease this so we can We mentioned
the company.
Speaker 2: So Casey did a solo commentary the other day, and
he I did, and he couldn't stop thinking about how
much he missed me, so he wanted to tease our
upcoming joint commentaries.
Speaker 4: It was very strange. I've never done a solo commentary ever,
because usually my stuff is just like even before I
started doing it with you, it's interviews and commentaries and
doing with filmmakers. So trying to develop like a script
or an outline to do by myself was wild. So
I have to do it again today. I'm more confident
than that. But yeah, I did. It's a commentary for
release coming out from Film Movement. I'll put it that way.
I won't tell you the title, but.
Speaker 2: I classy, very classy Casey.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's a it's a little a little transition away
from the bottom dwellers. We haven't well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We've also had.
Speaker 4: Keno is classy too, Yeah, but yeah, like, and then
we're also doing I'm doing my my solo commentary I'm
doing today is for another AGFA, and then you are
doing something else for that release as well, in written form,
and I might be doing a written form thing too,
depending on if I can convince someone to talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, very last minute, but we wanted to make it work.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that I think you still haven't really
teased what you wanted to tease though, which one oh.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, Well, we are doing two more commentaries for Keno.
But I'm very excited because we also got another friend
of ours involved with the release. We're spreading the love
because we want to, you know, that's the thing. I'm
kind of I do that anyway if I know that
somebody's right for the gig and I want to.
Speaker 2: Get them in there.
Speaker 4: And that was actually your idea, because I know that
I tried to get him involved with another release and
it didn't happen. And I'm glad that you thought of this,
because I I was too busy trying to think of
how I could prepare for my for what I could contribute, Yeah, think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can say is like it is. It's involving
cameras and this person knows a lot about cameras, so
absolutely it's a perfect fit and sex.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a proper combo cameras and sex. So yeah,
I'm really excited. I know I'm going to actually learn
something from this, which is why. Yeah, if I'm going
to suggest someone for something, I wanted to be someone
who I can learn from their contributions to that release.
That's always the most important people to get involved.
Speaker 2: So exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited. And he's been keeping us updated
with with his thoughts and things. I'm like, oh, this
is going to be so good, like rubbing, rubbing my
filthy pause. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to I
can't wait to see this. Okay, great, Yeah, don't let
us down, all right, No, I know he won't.
Speaker 2: Last thing. I actually just got a message right before
recording this from a listener follower. He sent me this
great list that he's been compiling on letterbox. It is
all of Frank ken Ladder's sexy shockers and hardcore horrors.
So he's adding them all to letterboxed in a nice list,
and he's also uploading the original artwork when it's not available.
So if you sort, like if you use letterboxed and
you go to someone's list, it works differently if you're
like a patron of letterbox or if you're like a
free user or whatever. But if you go to like
the little eyeball, I think if you select like custom posters,
select theirs, and then on this list that will link
to in the show notes, then you can see all
the posters he's selected. Does that make sense, Casey, it does? Okay, Yeah,
so yes, that's good.
Speaker 4: I'm excited. That's that's a lot of good artwork too.
Speaker 2: It's nice to see all the artwork next to each
other and see what variety. You know, how much variety
there really was? These and lotters sexy shocking.
Speaker 4: Now, what I would suggest to him is to put
them in order of they were numbered. The sexy chokers
were numbered, so like, there's sexually choker number one, sixteen, whatever.
I would love that list to be put in that
order if possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tell him that that's not that now.
Speaker 4: It's not that hard to do when I have my
something weird catalog database, which I think I have them
all listed, if he needs help with that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm looking at it based on list order.
Did you look at it is? I don't know the ordering,
so could you.
Speaker 4: Well, it would have to be something, No, it would
be have to be yeah, it's it's in alphabetical right now.
Oh okay, yeah, because Alpha Doctor Orloff ironically was also
number one, but Visa Killed Women was not number two,
so right now it is, yeah, right now, it's in
alphabetical order. So this would be something that he you
would have to, yeah, just make in order. You'd have
to manually do it. Yeah, which I but I that's
something that I think would be super helpful. Yeah, yeah,
I think that would be. Yeah, that would be that
would be gorgeous. I would love him to do that.
Speaker 2: But the nice thing about these lists, I mean, as
far as this is, you know how I use sometimes
letterbox as a reference tool. Is if you like the
list and then you're looking at like, Okay, I'm gonna
click here, I click on Deadly organ If I'm looking
at the page on Letterbox for Deadly organ I scroll
to the very bottom. I can see like the lists
I've liked, and it shows letter sexy shockers. So that way,
if I'm looking at a film and I'm like, oh,
is this a sexy shocker, I can just scroll to
the very bottom of letterbox and if my if that
list is there, then yep, it's on the list. Great. Yeah,
I like that. But I know you're you probably have
a Google doc of all of them, so you can
always just I do that. I do.
Speaker 4: I do well because I have almost all the catalog supplements,
so I have everything listed in order of catalog supplements.
I basically did catalog one and then listed everything in
order of catalog and then the supplements and stuff. So
that way I know exactly when it came out hypothetically
and what order.
Speaker 2: Stuff came out, things like. But this way, yeah, it's
just like if you're on Letterbox, then you're looking at
a movie and you're like, oh, I can't remember if
that was on if that was a Hendon letter Just
scroll to the bottom. Oh yep, I writ that list
there it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a list like that, but it's private
because I'm trying to rank them before I make it public.
But I'm not making any progress there. Yeah, someone just
asked me there was a list of the third Sex
Cinema titles everything they released, and I had that private
too because I wanted to rank that before I made
it public. I was like, I'll just make a public
and I'll edit it so people don't think this is
ranked yet.
Speaker 2: Oh last thing, I told Jacob that I would put
on a call. So if you have artwork for some
of the you know, the original Sexy Shocker like VHS artwork,
you know, if you have it digitized, please upload it
to TMDb so that also we can add it to letterboxed. Yes,
you know he's been doing that for you know, he's
got quite a few of them here that have the
original Sexy Shocker artwork, but there are still quite a
few that need updating. So yep, those of you.
Speaker 4: But it's interesting to look at this though, because you
can see the way that the designs changed over, like
the first group with the woman with the with the
skirt up showing the leg, and then that changes for
visicall women where it's a little lighter, and then eventually
the woman goes away and then it becomes like there's
a blue version of the Sexy Shockers and that was
I believe again all Lisa because she was the design queen,
so it really, I mean, that was something that it
was always nice if I had the sexy shockers and
you have them on a on a shelf in the VHS,
they looked so nice and uniform when you had them.
I mean, something weird was always like that, though they
always had really good uniform looks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is also a good reason for him to
reorganize these by number because then, yeah, you can see
the artwork change.
Speaker 4: You definitely notice. Yep. Yeah, I do have one more thing.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: My Alice in Wonderland screening is sold out, so I'm
so excited about So yeah, hopefully if you're in New
York you got your ticket. I have mine, but actually,
you know what's funny, I have mine. But I think
I told you, and I told the Deuce guys as
well the Night Hot guys, that I don't sit down
at screenings that I host. I stand in the back
because I want to see the audience reactions. So I'm
probably going to be doing that. So it's possible that
there's going to be another seat that I won't be occupying.
Speaker 2: A seat you can sell for hundreds of hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 4: I would just give it to somebody I know, but
I think everyone I know who's gonna go it's already
got their ticket. They already got, they already ordered when
it popped up.
Speaker 2: As well, you can do is you can be the
you can be the nice guy and like wait at
the ticket booth and you know when someone comes up like,
oh I want to see this movie and they're like, oh, sorry,
it's sold out, you can be like, you can have
my seat.
Speaker 4: I need to know that they're I didn't even know
they're good though, because some people what if I give
them the What if they give them that and they're
on their phone during the movie, I'll be like ugh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you could say, oh, you can have
my seat.
Speaker 4: But here's the rules, yes, right exactly. These are like
almal nine hun rules are like Alamo drafts rules. Put
your phone away, well old Alamo before they change the
fucking rules and now you have to use your phone
to order shit, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, that turned into them maybe the longest short ends
will probably ever record, but.
Speaker 4: It was probably it was an amount of short ends
that to make like a sixteen millimeter storefront theater movie.
Speaker 2: So it's like an hour.
Speaker 3: All those loving people upstairs. You're not here, not really,
They're in another universe. When we'll have we don't exist.
It's just them tonight in the rain, and the rain helps.
Speaker 1: You'll read row John for the whole World in books.
That's an escape.
Speaker 3: The world's outside on the streets and upstairs between some
chick's legs.
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