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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. You guys, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a bonus episode. I've got my friend here, Laris and

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell podcaster extraordinary Mississippi Gal.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey day, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so, Laris, and last time you were here, you

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about your podcast, Devil and the Ditch. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I have got to say ding don Ditch, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's.

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<v Speaker 2>A totally different game, but also a really fun game

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<v Speaker 2>to play as a kid, I will say so.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you have a new podcast that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it just completed, right this week was the last one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Well so this what week was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>the last one? It turns out we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a couple more weeks before we drop that final bonus episode,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm going to say publicly here on your podcast

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<v Speaker 2>was solely so that we can take time to build

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<v Speaker 2>an audience. And I'm going to say, off to the side,

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<v Speaker 2>was because we had a permissions issue with a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of interviews, and we're just going to do a different

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<v Speaker 2>kind of episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So got it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a really good bonus though. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this whole new reworked version is actually going to

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<v Speaker 2>be more what the audience wants to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, well, the new podcast is under the Yazoo Clay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's a great name, and I love a good

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<v Speaker 1>a good named podcast, and it's it's multi layered literally

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<v Speaker 1>because we're talking about like the Yazoo Clay is a character.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you're from Mississippi, all I heard my whole

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<v Speaker 1>life was about like when you're driving in Jackson especially,

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<v Speaker 1>and the roads are so terrible, and it's the Yazu

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<v Speaker 1>Clay And I'm like, I think it's the Highway Department,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, it's the Yazu play. It shifts so much

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't ever keep the I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like you may as well you have to have four

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<v Speaker 1>wheel tires driving to Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so bumpy, the damnedest soil. And I say

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<v Speaker 2>this as a former homeowner in Jackson, Mississippi. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think there's anybody who lives in Hines County who has

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<v Speaker 2>not had to have their foundation redone multiple times. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it is a constant battle of like getting somebody

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<v Speaker 2>out there, getting them to like add, you know, put

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they need to do to booster foundation a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>More rack sealed all the time, and so I went

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<v Speaker 2>down there with the producing partner last April to start

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<v Speaker 2>reporting on this. And the first thing, we're having a

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<v Speaker 2>casual conversation. We're at this museum, this big museum opening,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first thing they say, where we asked them

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<v Speaker 2>how the dig is going. They're doing this huge project,

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<v Speaker 2>multi year project to recover these unmarked graves that have

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<v Speaker 2>been found near where the old State Lunatic Asylum as

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<v Speaker 2>it was called back in the day used to sit.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first thing that I say is do you

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<v Speaker 2>know about the Yazoo clay, because it's the worst damn

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<v Speaker 2>soil ever. And I was like, well, as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, I do, but I don't know about it

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<v Speaker 2>from this angle. And it turns out and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a huge problem for the people who are doing this

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<v Speaker 2>work to look into these graves and try to understand

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<v Speaker 2>who was buried there because the soil is actually eating

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<v Speaker 2>the remains.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And they say, I've never seen I've never seen dirt

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<v Speaker 2>that can eat metal, but this dirt eats metal. It

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<v Speaker 2>is the wildest clay, wildest soil ever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy, and it's explained at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, like why it is that way from the

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<v Speaker 1>minerals and then how it comes to be, and it

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me a lot. I don't know, if you've watched

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<v Speaker 1>Yellow Jackets, it reminds me a lot. In Yellow Jackets,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like that running river that's all red and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean. It's like some mineral that's coming down.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you know, in the theory world of Yellow Jackets,

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<v Speaker 1>it's putting out some sort of magnetic field so that

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<v Speaker 1>planes go down. It's not so much in Mississippi, but

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, the premise is and I remember when this

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<v Speaker 1>happened at the University of Mississippi Medical Center, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a fantastic institution. My brother in law graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from there. All the many, many great doctors go there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the cornerstone of you know, medical institutions in Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>They're building on this section of it, and they go

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<v Speaker 1>to start building on this new section and they find

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<v Speaker 1>pieces and parts and bodies. Come to find out when

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<v Speaker 1>they used to have the psychiatric institution there, they buried

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<v Speaker 1>the people there and either the graves aren't marked very

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<v Speaker 1>well or over time it has just eroded so much.

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<v Speaker 1>What did they say? They think it's like seven thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people were buried there is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an unbeh housing graves, that's what they think. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think over the asylums, what eighty eighty five year history,

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<v Speaker 2>there were a total of I think thirty thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>who walked through the doors there. So when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about that, a quarter of the people who went into

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<v Speaker 2>the asylum ended up buried there. So then it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of becomes this sort of Pandora's box, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>of Okay, well when we look at this, like what

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<v Speaker 2>exactly are we going to find? What happened to the

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<v Speaker 2>people inside that institution that so many people died? And

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<v Speaker 2>as we looked into it, and this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I really like about this show is that

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of go into it expecting that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be opening the doors to some gothic house of horrors,

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<v Speaker 2>like people chained to radiators. Yeah, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, crumbling ceilings, and there is like there is

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<v Speaker 2>an element there certainly are crumbling ceilings, thank you to

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<v Speaker 2>the Yazuklay and the bad Foundation. But it's actually like

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<v Speaker 2>really complex and yes, like they didn't understand psychiatric medicine

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty years ago. So LUs people were

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<v Speaker 2>to a degree mistreated, but they also were really trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do the right thing in certain cases, in certain cases,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, but it becomes this like really kind

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<v Speaker 2>of beautiful complex problem that as a Mississippian, just so

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me of the state that we come from, which

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<v Speaker 2>is full of these sort of good intentions being waylaid

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<v Speaker 2>by bad intentions with like a nice you know, little

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<v Speaker 2>like fusion of like really bad racism coming in to

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<v Speaker 2>like derail all the plans. And Yeah, it just it

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<v Speaker 2>winds up sort of being a microcosm of many of

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<v Speaker 2>the problems that Mississippi itself has.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the podcast sort to take you on this journey

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<v Speaker 1>you and you meet lots of people who say, I

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<v Speaker 1>knew about my grandmother, but I never knew what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to her. And you think, you think these people died

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<v Speaker 1>and they were never like alerted that their loved one

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<v Speaker 1>had died. There it's sort of like they put them

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<v Speaker 1>away and either weren't told or didn't think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot which is very interesting that I looked

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<v Speaker 1>up while I was listening, you were talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>certain disease people had called poleegra, which was a disease

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<v Speaker 1>people had, but then it made it seem like they

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<v Speaker 1>were crazy or really it could have been cured for

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<v Speaker 1>like an antibiotic.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been cured with It could have been

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<v Speaker 2>cured with a vitamin.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that wild vitamin? Yes, like niosin?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, niosin. And that's actually where enriched foods come from,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a cool little side note, yeah, for all

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<v Speaker 2>of this, but that is the thing, like that is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the era of quote medicine that this institution

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<v Speaker 2>existed in, which is that like one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>causes of mental illness and later death at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that people weren't getting enough vitamin B and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy and it affected everybody and they you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't talk about Mississippi and that era and not

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<v Speaker 1>address the racism, of course, and nobody wants to, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to talk about, but it certainly was there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I loved how you came at it from that

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<v Speaker 1>angle as well, because Dorothea Dix is a figure in it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was was so for these psychiatric institutions, is so

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm going to get in there as a nurse

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<v Speaker 1>and explain why it's important. And then you're like, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's wonderful that she did all that for these people

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<v Speaker 1>that were suffering. But she was a terrible racist, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a problem, Like, oh, dang it, can't we just

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<v Speaker 1>have one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't tell you that when they're putting her on

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<v Speaker 2>a postage postage stamp. But yeah, Dorothea Dix turns out

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge racist, which is how she was able

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<v Speaker 2>to come down to a place like Mississippi because she's

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<v Speaker 2>from Boston, you know, and normally in the pre Civil

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<v Speaker 2>War era, people from Mississippi did not want to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to women from Boston. But she came down and she said, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's really terrible about the treatment of your

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<v Speaker 2>mentally ill Mississippians is that they're being treated worse than

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<v Speaker 2>you're treating black people. And they said, oh lord, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well we have to find a nice facility for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually began as a whites only institution, and then

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<v Speaker 2>after the Civil War they sort of begrudgingly and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the reconstruction and later Jim Crow era begrudgingly allowed black

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<v Speaker 2>people to come into separate and very much unequal facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, I mean I think that when you're

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<v Speaker 1>telling a story like this, which is so interesting about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it starts off kind of macab with the

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<v Speaker 1>buried bodies, and when you really get into it and

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<v Speaker 1>you have to champion somebody like Dorothya Dix who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to help people with mental illness, but then you also

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<v Speaker 1>have to face the truth of that era and what

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<v Speaker 1>happened and people weren't really necessarily treated equally. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>fascinated by the fact that that place existed, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it moved to Whitfield. When the first time you said Whitfield,

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<v Speaker 1>I was to myself like, Okay, I wonder she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to get into it, because yes, you did. Your whole

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<v Speaker 1>life you were told if you're bad, you're going to Whitfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Or she's so crazy she ended up in Whitfield, or

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<v Speaker 1>so and sos you crazy, You're like Couter to Brown

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<v Speaker 1>they ended up in Whitfield. And Whitfield was always a

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<v Speaker 1>threat in your life. If you do something bad, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be crazy. And with the you're gonna go to Whitfield,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna got to parchment one of the two. Yep, Woodfield,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I feel like galls got threatened with Field

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<v Speaker 2>more and boys got threatened more with Parchment.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I loved that you

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<v Speaker 1>touched on that in so many different people of so

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<v Speaker 1>many different age rages, saying their whole life they got

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<v Speaker 1>threatened with going to Whitfield.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing. And that's what I think is

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<v Speaker 2>so interesting about this is that you know, we all

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<v Speaker 2>existed in a post you know, Lunatic Asylum, Mississippi, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was still another version of it, and that version

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing we knew about it was that it

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<v Speaker 2>was the worst thing that could happen to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, crazy people are there and it is what

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<v Speaker 1>you're describing, like people chained to the walls and the

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<v Speaker 1>crumbling ceilings and then not feeding them, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a nurse ratchet it and you're thinking of the worst

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<v Speaker 1>like pull it together, like don't go out drinking with

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<v Speaker 1>my friends when I'm sixteen, I'm gonna go to Whitfield.

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<v Speaker 2>Or part exactly. You know, you have you have two

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriends at once. You're going to Whitfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're definitely crazy. Two boy friends at once. That

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<v Speaker 1>is so funny. I tell you, I loved that, just

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<v Speaker 1>the humor of it, because it is such a serious subject,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got to put in that humorous part. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I, you know, as a group, lived to

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<v Speaker 1>was ever anything before Whitfield. And the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 1>called the lunatic asylum is so wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was that was the politically correct term of

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<v Speaker 2>the era. Yeah, it was real nice to refer to

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<v Speaker 2>the people who needed to go there as lunatics.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I got to go check grandma into the

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<v Speaker 1>lunatic asylum, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And you do wonder why, you know, none of these

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<v Speaker 2>when you have that kind of branding, who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about that in the family, Who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be telling those stories?

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<v Speaker 1>And I loved the the the written ledgers that were

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<v Speaker 1>found that told from the nurses standpoint how they were

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, as a woman in my mid forties, it

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<v Speaker 2>number of women who were institutionalized.

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<v Speaker 1>For menopause, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, like, oh there, but for the grace of God

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<v Speaker 2>and a century go.

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<v Speaker 1>I that's crazy, because you know, I could think back

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, and you know, my parents are in their eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about growing up and my you know, my mother,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure probably was going through menopause and she's hot

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<v Speaker 1>and all this, and I'm one hundred percent for my

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<v Speaker 1>dad said to her many times, if you don't quit that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to send you to Whitfield. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>acting crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, little did they know that was actually an actionable threat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's she wouldn't have been the first.

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<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't have been the first to be put in

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<v Speaker 1>Whitfield because she was having hot flashes and just a

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<v Speaker 1>little which was a little moody. Wow. I loved the

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<v Speaker 1>story to Laris and that it really got my heart

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<v Speaker 1>because it was you were talking to one of the

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know the correct term, the woman that

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<v Speaker 1>was archaeologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it was a bioarchaeologist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, So she was pulling things out and she

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<v Speaker 1>was explaining to you these things that they had found.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a filling or it was a lot of rings,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought a good point was when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about the people that were burying them, they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>it with care. They weren't necessarily stealing things from the people.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked that. And then she told that story and

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<v Speaker 1>you caught it because she showed this certain ring and

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<v Speaker 1>then you said, well, wait a minute, I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>you have that same phrase on a tattoo on your foot.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm imagining the way you described her is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a thin, wiry, gray haired, seventy something year

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<v Speaker 1>old lady that got her foot tattooed. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was it was from that ring. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>it's something for her husband, tell me about that, because

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<v Speaker 1>that was like really touching.

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<v Speaker 2>Off of that age. But then yeah, but she you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think anybody who spends their career sort of immersed

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<v Speaker 2>in death and bones and you know, sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>relics of death probably has a pronounced Macob's streak, and

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Mack has that. Like She's like, I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to go out for drinks with doctor mac She would

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<v Speaker 2>be a last. She's a good storyteller, she really thinks

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<v Speaker 2>through the stuff that she's doing, and she's the one

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<v Speaker 2>who's leading this dig, this attempt to sort of unearth

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<v Speaker 2>these graves, study them, and then help relocate them so

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<v Speaker 2>that the university can put up, you know, a building

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<v Speaker 2>on that same site. And it was a really beautiful story.

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<v Speaker 2>So I noticed that, you know, we're going through this,

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<v Speaker 2>and she pulls out this ring, and she points it

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<v Speaker 2>out because it is a valuable ring. It's I believe

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<v Speaker 2>this one was silver and engraved on the inside of

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<v Speaker 2>it it said ever True to THEE. And her point was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's so nice to see this because there

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<v Speaker 2>is this sort of myth, or at least reputation that

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<v Speaker 2>these places had that the people who worked there would

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<v Speaker 2>have taken advantage of the patients and if they had

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<v Speaker 2>some valuable they would have stolen it, and clearly they didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>because this person was buried with us.

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<v Speaker 1>And that person was a real person who had a yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a man or a woman or something. You know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>must have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been in love at some point, you know, who had

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<v Speaker 2>this whole other life and that and that ring, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really represents a full life lived outside of this institution.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I did notice that ever True to THEE

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<v Speaker 2>was tattooed on her foot and She explained that just

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<v Speaker 2>a few months earlier, her husband, who had run sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the mechanical side of the excavation. They've been partners

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty years, both you know, relationship wise partners, but

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<v Speaker 2>also work partners for twenty and he had suddenly died

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<v Speaker 2>just of a heart attack, just prop dad. It was awful.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was also the person who found that ring,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had been, you know, sort of running around

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<v Speaker 2>telling everybody. He was like, I found that, I found

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest relic that anyone could find. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 2>meant everything to him, and he was so proud of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he showed it to everybody. And then when he died,

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<v Speaker 2>she got that tattoo to remember.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really cool. And you also think hearing something

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<v Speaker 1>like this, or if they put it in the newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, it's like, would somebody come forward and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, that was my great grandmother's ring. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, you know, it's got to be It's

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<v Speaker 1>got to mean something to somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm really hoping, honestly, Like that is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big things that I want to have come

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<v Speaker 2>out of this, because you know, God blessed the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Mississippi Medical Center and their research arm that is

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<v Speaker 2>heading up this whole dig and this whole to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of tell the story of this asylum. They have gone

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<v Speaker 2>on publicity tours to like every library and the state.

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<v Speaker 2>They've held talks, They've won you know, local news pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still don't think the story that they're really

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<v Speaker 2>looking for the family members of these people who were

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<v Speaker 2>buried there. I don't think the story has actually gotten

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<v Speaker 2>out that wide. And you know, a couple of the

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<v Speaker 2>people we spoke to are descendants of patients, and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't even live in the state of Mississippi now, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna like, they're not going to hear a

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<v Speaker 2>talk at you know, the Greenville, Mississippi Public Library. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm really hopeful that this podcast will actually

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<v Speaker 2>get that out there and more people can start connecting to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, their ancestors.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the woman. Towards the end, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>which one of the last couple of episodes was saying

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<v Speaker 1>that she never had a place where she could say like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my grandmother was there, you know, And she said, and

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<v Speaker 1>now at least when I drive by, I could say

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<v Speaker 1>my grandmother was buried there. You know, she never knew

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<v Speaker 1>much because her mom didn't talk much about it, just

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<v Speaker 1>like that was the grandmother. We don't know what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to her. And I think that for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing both of my grandmothers, one better than the other,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it would be really that would be really

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<v Speaker 1>weird to think, like, wow, like what happened to my

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<v Speaker 1>mom's mom, or what happened to my dad's mom or dad?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are they? What you would you'd want to know?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I hope that seven towers of people. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so many people. There's so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>Many people, and you know, in a lot of cases

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<v Speaker 2>there's almost nothing left sometimes because of the yazoo clay.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes all that remains of a grave is the outline

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<v Speaker 2>of like where the bones were or the wow, like

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of you can tell the soil is different

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<v Speaker 2>from where the sort of wooden the pine box coffin was,

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<v Speaker 2>uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>But the clay eats the wood and eats the person,

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<v Speaker 1>and it eats.

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<v Speaker 2>The person and you know, like we know that soil

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<v Speaker 2>over centuries and millennia, you know, can get rid of bones.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why fossils are so cool. When we find them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't expect it in like eighty five years

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<v Speaker 2>to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well maybe that's why Jackson is always under a

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<v Speaker 1>water boil.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson is always under the boil water advisory.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're like, you, guys, just just get a jug

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<v Speaker 1>and keep it at your fridge because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen, and maybe you boil it, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this about living in Jackson, But boiling

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<v Speaker 2>my water to wash dishes is not one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you. So you and I, so what we

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<v Speaker 1>have in common? Really we have my sister. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>explain this. I believe your parents let me next door

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<v Speaker 1>to my sister. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're looking at my sister's house, they were

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<v Speaker 1>on the left.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's see my parents. My parents thought were the

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<v Speaker 2>right to the right of your Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The massister, I think is four two three three four two.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, so no, my parents are eight thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>So are they on a corner?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I could be backing it up. I couldn't make

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<v Speaker 1>it that number, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's but well.

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<v Speaker 1>They are neighbors for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing about Jackson too, is that if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the same neighborhood your neighbors and they probably

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<v Speaker 2>just referred to each other as neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually could have their backyards could have touched. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I'm thinking about it, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What it was actually because my parents shared backyard space

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<v Speaker 2>with like three different yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh lord my sister had those three boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I feel bad. But now, and your mom is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because your mom went to medical school like late

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<v Speaker 1>in life and became a doctor, right she did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she went to medical school when she was in

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<v Speaker 2>her mid forties is when she started, so, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. She finished her residency at the age of

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one and then practice medicine and Jackson for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years after that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is pretty That's like, a that's a great role

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<v Speaker 1>model for a mom, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It does It definitely kind of has allowed somebody like me,

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<v Speaker 2>who you know, also took a solid fifteen years to

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<v Speaker 2>really figure out what my career was. It sort of

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<v Speaker 2>took some of the pressure off. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I can always change my career again, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to be locked into something that it locked

425
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<v Speaker 2>into a certain path at age twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, how often do you go to Mississippi? Because I

427
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<v Speaker 1>know you're working on you guys are working on the

428
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<v Speaker 1>final bonus episode for this under the Yazu Clay. But

429
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<v Speaker 1>how often do you go? And have you already started

430
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<v Speaker 1>a new project? Because this one was from like I

431
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<v Speaker 1>know it takes like a year to get this together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was actually in Mississippi day before yesterday reporting

433
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<v Speaker 2>on a different show. This one's going to come out

434
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<v Speaker 2>in September. Junie's the Binge Network, which is also where

435
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<v Speaker 2>you can find Devil in the Ditch and then second podcast,

436
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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Miracle. Those are both there too that I.

437
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<v Speaker 1>Was subscribed to. I was subscribed to the Bench because

438
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<v Speaker 1>of those podcasts.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you well, this will be a good one. This

440
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<v Speaker 2>one working title is The Vanishing of Janis Rose, and

441
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<v Speaker 2>it's great. It's a missing person's story about a mom

442
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<v Speaker 2>of four little girls. She's twenty three years old, you know,

443
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<v Speaker 2>high school homecoming queen, gets married early and then one

444
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<v Speaker 2>day poof is just gone and her daughter spend her

445
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<v Speaker 2>daughter's her sister in particular, who's a big person we

446
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<v Speaker 2>talked to and her friends they all spend forty five

447
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<v Speaker 2>years looking for her, and you know, without giving too

448
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<v Speaker 2>much away, they figure out what happened to her, and

449
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<v Speaker 2>it is the absolute last thing anybody expected.

450
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<v Speaker 1>So and where we was this in Mississippi.

451
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<v Speaker 2>This is in South Mississippi. She was living in Columbia.

452
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<v Speaker 2>You know Columbia, Yeah, I do. It's right right north

453
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<v Speaker 2>of Louisiana and living there. And then she was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of last seen. She had a job working in like

455
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<v Speaker 2>Pearl River County area. So it's good. It's got like

456
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<v Speaker 2>a nice there's a trip down to Louisiana. We go

457
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<v Speaker 2>down there, some thing's happened there. It gets really cajunny,

458
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<v Speaker 2>lots of fun.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it gets real Cageenny. I love that. Yeah, Okay,

460
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<v Speaker 1>so you know i'd completely forgotten about doctor Miracle told

461
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<v Speaker 1>will you told me about that? Because I listened to

462
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<v Speaker 1>that too. Oh yeah, that was crazy.

463
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<v Speaker 2>That was crazy. That was a little less like on

464
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<v Speaker 2>brand for me. You know, it's California and not the

465
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<v Speaker 2>Deep South.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was about that guru who was telling everybody

467
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<v Speaker 1>he could cure their cancer and whatnot.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, he is absolutely one of the worst people

469
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<v Speaker 2>I've ever written.

470
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<v Speaker 1>It's still around right he is very.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Much still around. I do think he was just indicted

472
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<v Speaker 2>on a new set of charges, which is good, so

473
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<v Speaker 2>he may actually you know what, No, he had already

474
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<v Speaker 2>been indicted when we made the podcast. He has. I

475
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<v Speaker 2>think he had to plead guilty to like, you know,

476
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<v Speaker 2>again the sort of catch all of practicing medicine without

477
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<v Speaker 2>a license. It doesn't really get at what he did

478
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.880
<v Speaker 2>because by practice practicing medicine without a license, he was

479
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<v Speaker 2>sort of you know, killing people because he was telling

480
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<v Speaker 2>them exactly the wrong thing to do to treat or

481
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<v Speaker 2>not treat, you know, their terminal cancer or what was

482
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<v Speaker 2>it they had.

483
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, ah, god, yeah. I listened to those on

484
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<v Speaker 1>the bench and then but this one under the Yazoukle

485
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<v Speaker 1>is with iHeart.

486
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<v Speaker 2>It is. Yes, it's my first iHeart show and they've

487
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<v Speaker 2>been great to work with too.

488
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<v Speaker 1>I was just at two weekends ago, I was at

489
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<v Speaker 1>Podcast Movement in Chicago and I was at an iHeart party.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cool. I know a ton of people who

491
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<v Speaker 2>are at podcast Movement actually, and I really wanted to

492
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<v Speaker 2>go and the timing just didn't work out. But how

493
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<v Speaker 2>was it fun?

494
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<v Speaker 1>It's fun. This is the third year I've gone. Third

495
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<v Speaker 1>or fourth and Dinver, we did Denver, we did La

496
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<v Speaker 1>and then this one was in Chicago. Now the next

497
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<v Speaker 1>one they have is in August, and to which I said, no,

498
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<v Speaker 1>thank you. August and Dallas. I think I will. I

499
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<v Speaker 1>could just go to Mississippi and sweat if I want you. No,

500
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<v Speaker 1>it's funny.

501
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I was in Dallas on Sunday actually for this next

502
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<v Speaker 2>show that's coming out, and it was forty three degrees

503
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.759
<v Speaker 2>in April, and I would just I didn't check the

504
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<v Speaker 2>weather ahead of time. I was like, sure, I'll bring

505
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<v Speaker 2>like a sweater. No, it was so cold. It was

506
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<v Speaker 2>like New York cold there.

507
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<v Speaker 1>Weird.

508
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<v Speaker 2>It was very strange, and I was a little I

509
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 2>was more than a little cranky about it. I was

510
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<v Speaker 2>very cranky about it.

511
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<v Speaker 1>I was telling you, I'm going to Oxford this weekend,

512
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:36.079
<v Speaker 1>and my husband was like, if you check the weather.

513
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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, I'm sure we'll be in short

514
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'll be dying, and he goes, no, it's

515
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<v Speaker 1>actually going to be like forty at night and sixty

516
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<v Speaker 1>in the day. I was like perfect. I was like,

517
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<v Speaker 1>I love us. Sixty during the day is the best.

518
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<v Speaker 1>You can walk around right, you get shop ready.

519
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<v Speaker 2>For eighty five degree weather. I am so ready for it.

520
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<v Speaker 2>But I say this, it's now like it's forty two

521
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<v Speaker 2>degrees right now in New York.

522
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<v Speaker 1>So just so, you go back and forth New York

523
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<v Speaker 1>wor to the Mississippi area a lot.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Often as I can. I really, and my parents actually

525
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 2>they did the unthinkable and they moved to Connecticut about

526
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<v Speaker 2>six months ago. I know, isn't that Connecticut? I know,

527
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<v Speaker 2>my poor dad has never really lived anywhere but Mississippi

528
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<v Speaker 2>outside of his my when my mom was in med

529
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<v Speaker 2>school and when he was in college. The rest of

530
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<v Speaker 2>his life has been spent in Mississippi.

531
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<v Speaker 1>The what Connecticut though, Larison.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of my sisters lives in the town that

533
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<v Speaker 2>they moved to, the other one lives about forty minutes

534
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<v Speaker 2>away from there, and then I'm about an hour and

535
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>a half away. So okay, well that makes all. Yeah,

536
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to be close to us. Yeah. I gotta

537
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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you. I think they missed the social

538
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.599
<v Speaker 2>vibe of Jackson. You know, Jackson's a fun town, great people,

539
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>good dinner parties, good storytellers, just all in all, a

540
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>great sort of laid back vibe. And I think they're

541
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.319
<v Speaker 2>getting it with the new Canaan Connecticut crew. I don't

542
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<v Speaker 2>want to I don't want to say anything. I think.

543
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<v Speaker 2>I think they're just finding their feet.

544
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<v Speaker 1>I think as older people moving.

545
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<v Speaker 2>People they've met. I want to clarify that.

546
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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, I think moving at any age,

547
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<v Speaker 1>but especially if you're kind of older and established, and

548
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>then you've got to move into a new group. And

549
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:16.319
<v Speaker 1>those people are older and established and had probably been

550
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<v Speaker 1>friends like people in Jackson for one hundred years, and

551
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:20.519
<v Speaker 1>now they've got new people coming in.

552
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Totally yeah, and I think that is that. Yeah, you're

553
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>breaking into a whole new social circle. And their friends

554
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 2>in Jackson were so cute. I really love their friends

555
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:29.279
<v Speaker 2>in Jackson.

556
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.359
<v Speaker 1>So they were like, well, go come up north and

557
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>see y'all. Oh, I believe it.

558
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 2>If Ivy and Frank Alli are listening to this podcast,

559
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>please come visit me.

560
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<v Speaker 1>Do you How did you feel about Parker Posey, our

561
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi girl and how great she did a white lotus

562
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>with that amazing accent.

563
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I loved it, Okay, I will say though, and I

564
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>am probably just betraying how a how little time I've

565
00:27:55.799 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 2>spent in Laurel, Mississippi, But how you know how long

566
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I've now been back up in New York. At first,

567
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what is that? What Parker, what is

568
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.839
<v Speaker 2>that accent you're doing? And then I went and watched

569
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.640
<v Speaker 2>some videos of people from Laurel and it turns out

570
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>she was absolutely spot on, and so now I retreated.

571
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 2>But I did think from the moment I watched it,

572
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's I saw a tweet that someone put

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<v Speaker 2>out and they said, can we get you know, can

574
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.200
<v Speaker 2>we get the people at the Academy to please nominate

575
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<v Speaker 2>Carrie Koon for Best Actress in a Dramatic Series in

576
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Parker Posi for Best Actress in the Comedy.

577
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>That that is right? Yes, that nails it. Yeah, she is.

578
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Every scene she did. And it's funny too because I

579
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>think of Parker Posey is so iconic and like in

580
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and of but I like forgot that that's who it

581
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>was like. The character was so believable and so like

582
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 2>so many moms I have known throughout the year that

583
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I just completely yeah, I completely fell in with her character.

584
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>It was so great. I will say randomly, this is

585
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>very random, but right before I got on here, I

586
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>got an email that was you know eight from HBO Matts,

587
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and this is like on my personal account not you know,

588
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I get like screeners whatever on the podcast. One

589
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>this was to my personal account, was like, did you

590
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 1>enjoy White Lotus? Would you like to take a survey?

591
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, yes I would because I love

592
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>a survey and I get these ones from NBC sometimes,

593
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know if that's a list I was on.

594
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>So I took a survey about White Lotus and it

595
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.559
<v Speaker 1>was like did you watch season one, two, three? Which

596
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.279
<v Speaker 1>one did you like best? And it's all about you

597
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 1>know now talking about season three and it's all about

598
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and every answer I was like, Parker Posi, Parker Posi.

599
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Every answer, I was like, the characters were so good,

600
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>like bring her back, bring her back, and I think,

601
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mike White had told the cast to look

602
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>at southern charm, get a lot of those North Carolina accents.

603
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>So when people were saying Parker Posey wasn't so North Carolina,

604
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, she didn't say she was from

605
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. She said she lived in Raleigh, but in

606
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.559
<v Speaker 1>my mind, she's from Mississippi and moved to Raleigh because

607
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>she went to you and see your duke or whatever,

608
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and that UNC duke thing is so real just living

609
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>up here.

610
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I loved it. I was like it was

611
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 2>like the two things were like kind of fighting for

612
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the soul of that kid. It was like going to

613
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 2>have a UNC soul or is he going to have

614
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>a duke soul? Like which one?

615
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>It was so good, but I just there's so many

616
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 1>catchphrases from her. I mean, the one that you know

617
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 1>speaks to me to muscles. Now I have to drink

618
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>myself to sleep. I was like, that's so good. It's like,

619
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>don't judge me, I'm your mother. I sent that to

620
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>my kids. We so many times in the last month.

621
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<v Speaker 1>Don't judge me, I'm your.

622
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Mother, my partner and I now just anytime something surprising happens,

623
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.440
<v Speaker 2>it's Piper No.

624
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>No, oh, who do nammy? I loved it so much. So,

625
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I she and I are the same age

626
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 1>and in the same you know, graduating high school class.

627
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 1>And she her twin brother, Chris Posey used to date

628
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>my friend Gigi for years, and my friend Tom Paulson

629
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 1>is very good friends with her, and so he goes

630
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I could just shoot her a note and see you,

631
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>she'll do your podcast.

632
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I said she should absolutely come on this show. But

633
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>she said the whole thing in a Southern accent.

634
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I said, oh Tom, I said, that's not that's not

635
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>how it works. Like you can't just Textpiker Parker Posey

636
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>and and ask her a couple of my podcasts. He goes, well,

637
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>sure I could, Well you could, but they're going to

638
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>send me to her agent, her PR person, her market

639
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 1>that HBO max whatever. So now that the show is

640
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.759
<v Speaker 1>completely over, I'm going to wait a week or two,

641
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 1>and then I'm gonna be like, maybe now that I

642
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have to go through like HBO channels, maybe just

643
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.559
<v Speaker 1>her personally and like her whoever is her booker, maybe

644
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 1>I can do it.

645
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I get the like the since I get from Parker Posey,

646
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 2>said Parker pose He does what she wants to do

647
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.319
<v Speaker 2>like and everyone else sort of just has to fall

648
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>in line behind it. And that's probably true for her

649
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 2>press people. So yeah, I like your plan.

650
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 1>I like it too. I mean, if I tell you

651
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 1>that Days Dion Confused is a movie that changed my life,

652
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know she's in it as that mean high

653
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:17.960
<v Speaker 1>school girl, so good.

654
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so good, my freshman bitches.

655
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, has him lay on the ground of fry like bacon.

656
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I was like, thank god, we didn't

657
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 1>have that at Jackson Proupe.

658
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm disappointed Jackson Prep didn't have that. I feel like,

659
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, at the Washington School in Greenville, we all

660
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 2>assumed that Jackson Prop was very much like that.

661
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>No, or maybe I just wasn't cool enough to be bullied.

662
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's that's you know what I think.

663
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 1>I just answered my own question. Oh my gosh. Well,

664
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about this other project that you're working on

665
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 1>because I love a good true crime murder mystery. Thank you.

666
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm really excited about this one too. It's it's

667
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 2>more sort of tonally in line with Devil and the Ditch.

668
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>It's just a different kind of Mississippi community and a

669
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>different but it's very much a family drama, and I

670
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.119
<v Speaker 2>love a family drama. Gets me back to my soap

671
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 2>opera roots.

672
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 1>So speaking of family drama, since Devil and the Ditch

673
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 1>came out and many people and you and I talked

674
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 1>about this, would I talk to you about it? And

675
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>then we talked about it with my own family murder

676
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that happened, you know, Yeah, way when my dad was little.

677
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>But that's on the Patreon guys if you want to

678
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 1>hear it. But your cousin was featured very heavily in that,

679
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>with lots of people having suspicions on him for the

680
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>murder of your grandmother. And right that your cousin, right.

681
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my dad's first cousin.

682
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your dad's first cousin. So I just want to

683
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 1>make sure I was because it wasn't an uncle, it

684
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:51.359
<v Speaker 1>was a cousin.

685
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>No, but I mean like generationally uncle, you know.

686
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you talk to him at the end of

687
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>it as sort of like a bonus, and you sat

688
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>outside because he didn't want you to come in the

689
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.599
<v Speaker 1>house because he had a little bit of a warning issue,

690
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and he kind of explained to you what it had

691
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>been like all those years, like to be a suspect

692
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 1>that he would say, like, I'm not going to talk

693
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 1>about it anymore, but then he would keep talking about it,

694
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you know.

695
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

696
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 1>And do you think people around Greenville still think he

697
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>did it?

698
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I know they do. They send me dms all the time,

699
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>like it is, every every three months I get one

700
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 2>from somebody in Greenville being like, you know, you know

701
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.840
<v Speaker 2>what I just heard he did? And you know, come on, Larson,

702
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>why didn't you just come out and say he did it?

703
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, well, I didn't have the actual evidence

704
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>to do that, but yeah, you can't say that that

705
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the town of Greenville has solved the case in the

706
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>town of Greenville's mind. And you know, I whether they're

707
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>right or wrong, I guess at this, given the information

708
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.079
<v Speaker 2>we have, we might never know.

709
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll never know unless somebody confesses.

710
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, yeah, I know. Well that's another thing.

711
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I actually got a dm about this very recently. Someone

712
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 2>was like, do you think he's going to confess on

713
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.639
<v Speaker 2>his deathbed? And I was like, I do not think

714
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 2>that he's going to confess on his deathbed. I don't

715
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:12.079
<v Speaker 2>see that happening. I think if he did do it,

716
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 2>and you know, Jerry is still out, but I think

717
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 2>if he did do it, he has convinced himself he didn't, right.

718
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I think we can get ourselves to believe just about

719
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>anything that we want, and I think there's a lot

720
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 2>of motivation for him to convince himself that something different happened.

721
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>And he lives in a pretend land anyway, you know,

722
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 2>he does in the same world that.

723
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.159
<v Speaker 1>You and I live in, does he have like friends,

724
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>he still goes to church? Does anybody like seem but

725
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.079
<v Speaker 1>says like at the grocery store, he still.

726
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Goes to church. He has a couple of friends. I

727
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.960
<v Speaker 2>think it's more people who sort of look after him

728
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:52.039
<v Speaker 2>than actual, you know friends the way we think of it.

729
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>But he does still have you know, he still has

730
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:56.480
<v Speaker 2>some people who look after him.

731
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 1>And how old he is?

732
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Seventy for Oh, okay. I have called him a couple

733
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of times to check in. He'll send me text messages

734
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 2>at like two am, sometimes usually having to do with

735
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the Libertarian Party in Greenville.

736
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure that's live and kicking in Greenville. The

737
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Libertarian Party. I'm sure that's. Yeah, he's the head of it.

738
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<v Speaker 2>If it sort of tells you anything about the groundswall

739
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 2>of support that they have. But yeah, So, like I'll

740
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>hear from him occasionally, and you know, I feel like

741
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the idea that anybody is sort of

742
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>marooned socially.

743
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know, he was.

744
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 2>He was kind enough to be honest with me for

745
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 2>this project, and so I feel like I should be

746
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 2>kind enough to you know, check in on him.

747
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so, I think you handled it perfectly,

748
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 1>and I think that Yeah, a lot of people just

749
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 1>think he did it and there's no other choice. And again,

750
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, once he once he is no longer with this.

751
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>You guys may go through that house and find something,

752
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, if if you get a get an excavator

753
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>in there. I don't know.

754
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>I thought of going through that house is terrifying, but.

755
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Also fascinating, I know. Okay, Well tell everybody where they

756
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.760
<v Speaker 1>can follow you and find out more about of course

757
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Devil in the Ditch Doctor Miracle and the new one

758
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 1>under the Yazoo Clay, and then of course the new

759
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>one that's going to come in September. I'm excited.

760
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes, please go ahead and subscribe to the bench Vanishing

761
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 2>of Janis Rose. And yes you can find under Yazoo

762
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Clay wherever you get your podcast. It's Apple Spotify, iHeart,

763
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and you can follow me on all the socials at

764
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:43.599
<v Speaker 2>This is Larison Larison. You guys.

765
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.440
<v Speaker 1>If you ever wonder about an interesting Southern name, Laryson

766
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Campbell is a good one. Thank you, a good one.

767
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Had a conversation yesterday with a podcaster Molly McLear and

768
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.199
<v Speaker 1>she said from Boston and she lives in La and

769
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>she said at the end we were talking, she because

770
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I just, you know, I understand, like it's Mary Pay,

771
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 1>but this was we weren't recording, and she says, but

772
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just so interested. Why because it really sounds like

773
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 1>like a roller Derby name or like a drag name

774
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 1>that like I'm made up and it's like an entendre

775
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 1>with the pay and e. She's like, I'm dying to

776
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 1>know about it. I was like, oh God, I wish

777
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 1>it was that fun.

778
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I really wish now that you did roller Derby, because

779
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 2>that is a.

780
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.679
<v Speaker 1>It really is. I'm not tough enough or even roller

781
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 1>skates by knocking me over? Are you kidding? But no,

782
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>it was like and so I, you know, I said,

783
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.199
<v Speaker 1>let me just break it down for you. In the South,

784
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of people will take a maiden

785
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 1>name or a middle name of my dad and then

786
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that's where it comes from my grandfather, George pank Gosser.

787
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>If they had a bunch of boys all all down

788
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.599
<v Speaker 1>the road, George pan Gosser, my dad, you know, had

789
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>his third kid. I assume he thought it would be

790
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>his last. And he was like, well, I guess I'm

791
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>not going to have a boy. So I got to

792
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>throw in pain and that's how I got it. And

793
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like it, and I didn't like it then

794
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and I don't like it now and I have to

795
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.079
<v Speaker 1>explain it every day in my life. But it's my

796
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.199
<v Speaker 1>name is She's like fascinating. I mean she was fascinated.

797
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to find the audio my sisters and I did,

798
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>my sister's and my mom and I did. We were

799
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>coming back from the beach and in the car we

800
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<v Speaker 1>just recorded all the double Southern names that we could

801
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 1>think of, and I put it on my Patreon. Is like,

802
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>it mean a terrible audio. We're in the car, but

803
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's like thirty minutes of us just

804
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 1>throwing out double names for people to understand.

805
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, I've actually got some really good ones

806
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 2>if I can add them onto the pile. My best

807
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 2>friend growing up Mary Winston. Yeah, another really good friend

808
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Ellen Douglas, and another and then my cousin was and Dyer,

809
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.159
<v Speaker 2>which I think all like really great. All follow the

810
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>same pattern of women's name first, yea family name.

811
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Second yeah, I said a lot of it is and

812
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>something Mary something, and I was like, you know, we

813
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 1>know Anne McCaslin, we know, and she's like, what I mean,

814
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.119
<v Speaker 1>she just could not, but she was. She was like,

815
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm always so interest to learn these like regional things,

816
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>and I was like yeah, and a lot of.

817
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 2>People like they'll like do a satire of a Southern

818
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>sorority girl and it'll be like Mary Claire or like

819
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Mary Mary Susan, And no, that's not the real that's

820
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.719
<v Speaker 2>not the real South, the real South. You got to

821
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>have the family name.

822
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<v Speaker 1>Second, Yeah, you got to have that weird middle name

823
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.079
<v Speaker 1>that people think is your last name and just call

824
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 1>you Mary, even if you explain it and they still

825
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>call you Mary, and then you go, you know, we're

826
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.199
<v Speaker 1>probably by it. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think Mary

827
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Larison or Ann Larison would be a great name.

828
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well Larison. As these things go, Larson is my

829
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 2>middle name, so yeah, I have. My first name is Alleen,

830
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<v Speaker 2>so it's Allen Larison Campbell. I was named for my grandmother,

831
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 2>whose first name was Allen and last name was Larison.

832
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<v Speaker 1>So well, my sister is named Finny pattern.

833
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

834
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<v Speaker 1>My grandmother's name was Elizabeth Finnie, so my sister n

835
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<v Speaker 1>Finny Elizabeth, you know. And then my sister Tay is

836
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<v Speaker 1>named after my mom's maiden name, which was Taylor. So

837
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<v Speaker 1>she's Tay.

838
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>That's l Tay is a nickname for Taylor.

839
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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny because you know, Taylor is such a

840
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.159
<v Speaker 1>popular name now and it doesn't occur to me at

841
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<v Speaker 1>all that Tay's name is Taylor ever, even though it

842
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean legally it's not anymore. She legally changed it

843
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<v Speaker 1>to Tay Cosser Morgan. But instead of Margaret Taylor cost her.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's anybody says Tay and then they say

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<v Speaker 1>that Tay for like a nickname for Taylor. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even like put together to me that that's my sister's name.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so funny. Yeah, I love I love the style.

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<v Speaker 2>I love naming people after people and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>family and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell my friends, you know, when they were all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, having babies, and a lot of them have

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<v Speaker 1>babies way before me. I was always like, just think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, just think about the name. If you think

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<v Speaker 1>they're ever gonna move, just I'm here to tell you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's rough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a double name. I know. I know. And

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<v Speaker 2>actually one of my friends recently had could and she

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<v Speaker 2>was like I just I really want to call her

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<v Speaker 2>by her middle name, and I was like, please, don't, don't, don't,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do not do it, like I know you don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it sounds it's pretty when you read it all out.

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<v Speaker 2>But it will make her life easier if she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to have a separate name at the doctor's office.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it'll life somehow. Informs It'll say, like for you,

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<v Speaker 1>it would say like Alien Laris and Campbell, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it would say nickname, yeah, and then you could put

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<v Speaker 1>laris and as your nickname.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't they don't look at that. They don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>They just see the first one and they're just like Alane,

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<v Speaker 2>which is you're like And then I don't hear them

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<v Speaker 2>when they call me in the waiting room I.

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<v Speaker 1>Had yesterday in the waiting room at the doctor's office.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard Mary Mary, and this lady hopped up and

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<v Speaker 1>walked in. They said, are you marry Gilbert? She goes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, She walked back, and I go, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mary Gilbert here I am. It's not my name.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally plaining double names to you now on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. Is I'm the doctor's office, not going

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<v Speaker 1>to see you. It's one of those once a year doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't care. That's fine, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have been coming here for twenty four years and you

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<v Speaker 1>still don't have it right. But that's okay. Both my

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<v Speaker 1>children here, but it's fine. Everybody follow Larison Campbell. She

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<v Speaker 1>is a wonderful podcaster. She is a real life journalist

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<v Speaker 1>and she's serious business you guys, but funny at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time too.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. It is always so much fun coming on

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<v Speaker 2>your show.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a bonus episode. People love when I

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<v Speaker 1>talk to podcasters back from my paint in the pod day,

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<v Speaker 1>so I love it when I have a podcaster that

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I'm like, let's come on, let's talk podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, don't hang up, thanks guys, all right, ads not

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<v Speaker 1>read by me Mary Payne don't necessarily reflect the views

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<v Speaker 1>and you can find the links to pink Shade Prime

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<v Speaker 1>at pinkshadepodcast dot com.