Speaker 1: Welcome to Bletsoe said, So, guys, as usual, lately, we've
Speaker 1: been just back to back with some fire guests. Today
Speaker 1: we have an amazing, just insane guest in the studio today.
Speaker 1: I know Nick and I are extremely excited for this.
Speaker 1: Alex just goes with whatever we tell him we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about what's going on in the first weekend of May
Speaker 1: and Delevan, Wisconsin. I'm gonna be at the Contact Modalities Expo.
Speaker 1: My dad's gonna be there, my wife's gonna be there,
Speaker 1: my sister. I think Jack might be there. I'm not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on that, but I feel like he's
Speaker 1: gonna be there. He's gonna be the keynote speaker speaking
Speaker 1: of my dad, and it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a three day event. On Friday night, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a SkyWatch, Saturday and Sunday. There's gonna be three
Speaker 1: conference rooms running simultaneously. There's gonna be like thirty to
Speaker 1: forty different amazing guests with all kinds of backgrounds and
Speaker 1: specialties in different areas of contact modalities like breath work channeling.
Speaker 1: You know, Crystal Bowl meditation, reiki. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: can think about it in this space, it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be there. There's gonna be like a live DJ cocktail
Speaker 1: party on Saturday where everybody's hanging out. Sunday there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a live panel with my Dad and Jimmy Church
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be asking him questions in front of
Speaker 1: an audience. It's gonna be sick. And just go to
Speaker 1: contact Modalities Expo dot com to get your tickets. You
Speaker 1: don't want to miss this. It's only a few weeks.
Speaker 1: I hope to see you guys there. So today we
Speaker 1: have a very very cool guest before we get into
Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about, though, I actually did bring
Speaker 1: you a little something, a little It's not much, but
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to give you a little bit
Speaker 1: of our swags. This is my friend Cameron Mizel in
Speaker 1: the studio. I like the gifts, man. It's a nice vibe, yea.
Speaker 2: And he brought us gibbs.
Speaker 1: Yes he did. We're gonna get into that.
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: There's a few more things in there, just so they
Speaker 1: don't get.
Speaker 2: Swag you up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, we had to swag you up a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm so about it.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, I'm gonna put on pan.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, we got another Pan too coming coming soon.
Speaker 3: More details on that one later, Omy Society.
Speaker 1: I'm mus send I'm gonna send you some other stuff too.
Speaker 1: I don't have them in.
Speaker 3: Per but that's very sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh my wife designed all that stuff, all of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are Yeah, you guys are the Avengers.
Speaker 3: Saying that last night work is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: This morning he was telling me, he's like, no, for real,
Speaker 1: you guys are like the Avengers. No, no, you said.
Speaker 1: You said you guys are like the Avengers, but mixed
Speaker 1: with like, what's it called the Mystery. I was like
Speaker 1: the Scooby dostory.
Speaker 2: Again, Scooby Dooe meets Avengers. I'll take it. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, for real. But we're happy to have you, Cameron.
Speaker 1: You you are so cool. Nick and I have been
Speaker 1: fans of yours for a very long time. I know
Speaker 1: you could probably fill in the listener like how deep
Speaker 1: it goes with Oh, we've been following his work for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean y'all know that like Ryan and I
Speaker 2: are super into metal music and like, we make metal
Speaker 2: music whatever. But when we were in high school, I
Speaker 2: mean probably twenty ten or something, uh yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 2: found this band called Woe.
Speaker 1: Me among others.
Speaker 2: I think that was twenty ten. Yes, Numbers sounds about right.
Speaker 2: It was Numbers album. Yeah, we found them and they
Speaker 2: had this sound that was like nothing that I had
Speaker 2: ever heard before. Nothing. It was like completely unique, and
Speaker 2: to me, it was like this mile marker in metal
Speaker 2: music that was like, we have it was an evolution. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: things are shitt new phase, yes, exactly, a new phase.
Speaker 2: And then came why does it sound so different? Why
Speaker 2: does it sound so new? And then that sent me
Speaker 2: down the rabbit hole of metal production. I found your name,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, okay, that's why it sounds so sick.
Speaker 2: Started listening to some of the other stuff that you've produced,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, it's him. It's him. He's why
Speaker 2: it all sounds so sick and so crazy. And to
Speaker 2: be honest, I told you this last night. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that you're kind of responsible for me getting
Speaker 2: into metal production.
Speaker 1: That's just production in general.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, music production in general.
Speaker 2: I really hadn't done much of it. I've been playing
Speaker 2: music since I was a little kid, you know, just
Speaker 2: it just kind of like came naturally to me. But
Speaker 2: that was the moment where I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: can record it and compose, like compose it and make
Speaker 2: it sound cool and you know, and let other people
Speaker 2: hear it and learn all these little techniques. And I
Speaker 2: would just like I'd listen to shit over and over
Speaker 2: and over. How the fuck did he do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or like you did this thing? Like there's this thing
Speaker 2: that is like kind of a calling card, this little
Speaker 2: it's like a bell hit or something. What Yes, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: Say? Aluminum baseball bet and uh, probably like a wood
Speaker 3: clock mixed in.
Speaker 2: Or you're shitting me verb verbitt the fuck out, you're
Speaker 2: shitting me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's literally an aluminum bat sample, maybe pitched down
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Wow, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about. I started to pick it.
Speaker 1: Up and like every Woe is Me song on that album, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And it was always like like a few
Speaker 2: like a couple measures right after a breakdown starts. It
Speaker 2: was like this cool like accent piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like ye, like.
Speaker 3: You get the bass drop, the impact, followed by the
Speaker 3: reverse there with the woteen yeah dude, yeah, and then
Speaker 3: a glitch Yes.
Speaker 2: I started. That was the other thing. That was the
Speaker 2: first time I had heard like the glitchy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was an accidental thing that spread like wildfire through
Speaker 3: the entire accidental.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was actually a lot of accidental things happened doing
Speaker 3: these Woe is Me projects, because you know, we had
Speaker 3: five to you know, seventy eight people.
Speaker 2: There's a lot in the project.
Speaker 3: Everybody trying to you know, put their two cents in
Speaker 3: and me trying to hear everybody and make everybody feel good.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's like, okay, well how do we how
Speaker 3: do we how do we put you know, fifteen breakdowns
Speaker 3: together and then transition into you know, a single chorus
Speaker 3: that happens once somehow. So I just started like maybe
Speaker 3: I'll just paste this over and over until the next
Speaker 3: part and like.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, that sounds cool. It's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you get and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, and it's so true, man, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's like what we find ourselves doing sometimes to
Speaker 1: like you, this will sound cool. Bompom. I put a
Speaker 1: melody behind.
Speaker 3: It duplicate literally literally, yeah, you just pick your pick,
Speaker 3: uh what kind of grid and that changes the U
Speaker 3: sound of the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Due.
Speaker 2: I promise we won't get too into the weeds, but.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: But we can talk about whatever you want.
Speaker 1: You can't imagine how many nights like I'd be at
Speaker 1: his house and he had that you had that like
Speaker 1: ray to cathode monitor computer, remember, and and you like
Speaker 1: had odd dacity and he's like trying to like like
Speaker 1: dude that and he's like listen to the song Salt
Speaker 1: and Vinegar like we were like deep.
Speaker 2: Jeremy used to call it Sultant Vinnie. That was that
Speaker 2: was his favorite song vin he called he called it
Speaker 2: Sultan Vinnie.
Speaker 3: I named it that because I named all of my
Speaker 3: solo stuff based on what was sitting in front of me.
Speaker 3: No way, Yeah, five hundred MILLI leaders is just a
Speaker 3: bottle of water. You're s very uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm having to fucking think so much all
Speaker 3: the time, and decision fatigue, constantly working you know with
Speaker 3: artists and under deadlines, and so anytime I do, you know,
Speaker 3: solo stuff, it's pretty wacky. I you know, I try
Speaker 3: to stray from any of the things that I've been
Speaker 3: I don't say forced to do, but you know, forced
Speaker 3: to do, our rules to follow and other people's ideas
Speaker 3: to make make sure I you know, am am open
Speaker 3: to and uh so, yeah, I want to work on
Speaker 3: my own stuff. I just want to do something weird.
Speaker 2: I kind of do the same thing our our friend
Speaker 2: Raven is like absurdly naturally gifted at like freestyling. It's
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. And for ten plus years we'll get together,
Speaker 2: I'll make a beat on the fly, he'll rap to it,
Speaker 2: and then I always name them just the first thing
Speaker 2: that I like, I was like, what should we call it?
Speaker 2: And Raven goes, I don't know something about of Valley,
Speaker 2: and I literally it would name the song some some
Speaker 2: about of Valley, like ye're.
Speaker 3: Sick, you know that's sick. Yeah, that's actually a good
Speaker 3: song sick hook too.
Speaker 2: But but but yeah, it was like it was this
Speaker 2: pivotal moment with with metal music where we were like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, we're entering a new era and I think
Speaker 2: you're largely responsible for a lot of you see those trends.
Speaker 1: Still, Oh yeah, you're definitely one of the key figures
Speaker 1: in our like upbringing into this world that that like
Speaker 1: inspired us to, wow, we can do this ourselves totally.
Speaker 3: That's a really important part and that's something that's really
Speaker 3: special to me is is helping talented people understand that, like,
Speaker 3: you have more talent than a lot of people I know,
Speaker 3: like you can, you can totally do this. I'll help
Speaker 3: you however however you want, but here's try try these things.
Speaker 3: Just go do it like you could totally do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were there people that gave you that the same
Speaker 2: kind of like that kind of like help or grace
Speaker 2: like coming up where they're because you don't see that
Speaker 2: all the time, that that mentality that very like selfless giving.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like the music industry can
Speaker 2: be a little cutthroat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, music industry is very me gimme, gimme, gimme, and
Speaker 3: nobody needs to know about this. Like if a lot
Speaker 3: of times you people figure out something that is really valuable,
Speaker 3: you don't want to tell anybody gay keep it and
Speaker 3: that you know, while yeah that makes sense in a
Speaker 3: business sense, it's just not the good thing to do
Speaker 3: and it doesn't help progress any thing. And you're also
Speaker 3: losing out on access to future resources in other people,
Speaker 3: Like I rely on other people so much these days,
Speaker 3: because you know, there's certain aspects of production I'm just
Speaker 3: sick of and and and and I want to focus
Speaker 3: on the the stuff I really have fun with. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I've I've made all these connections with people,
Speaker 3: and and there are people that have been really generous too,
Speaker 3: and those people have turned into phenoms and now help me,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, stay with trends and and
Speaker 3: they'll they'll tell me about new plugins I got to
Speaker 3: check out. And the thing about that is like a
Speaker 3: lot of the time, like a cool new sound just
Speaker 3: happens to be one of the presets on a plug in,
Speaker 3: and you'll you'll spend months trying to figure out what
Speaker 3: the fuck that was, and then you just you end
Speaker 3: up at the person's house, a producer or writer, and
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, yeah, it's just this thing.
Speaker 2: It's omnisphere, It's a preset on omnisphere. What the hell
Speaker 2: that's that's awesome. It's just I think that kind of
Speaker 2: in art in general, any medium of art. I don't know,
Speaker 2: this is just my personal opinion. Maybe it's bullshit, but
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like gatekeeping and inserting ego and
Speaker 2: and and being selfish with stuff like it can taint
Speaker 2: the process and it can even taint the work.
Speaker 3: It ruins everything, it really does. It ruins everything. And
Speaker 3: it might get you quick success. You might get a
Speaker 3: quick payoff doing things that way. You might have a
Speaker 3: good run, but it's not going to lead to anything
Speaker 3: long term. And it's yeah, it's just I mean, it's
Speaker 3: it feels innately wrong. And and to answer your question
Speaker 3: about people being generous to me, I had. I was
Speaker 3: assistant engineer for James Wisner for a moment for a
Speaker 3: year or two, and that was like that was my
Speaker 3: only you know, learning through uh, another producer or or
Speaker 3: schooling outside of me. Just like dicking around and ruining
Speaker 3: a bunch of shit and trying to put it back together.
Speaker 2: It's so accurate. Yeah, it's so accurate, like just tweaking
Speaker 2: with stuff.
Speaker 3: And then uh, and then in later years Feldman has
Speaker 3: been it was was very good to me. James Wizard
Speaker 3: and Feldman have been phenomenal to me and really taught
Speaker 3: me some valuable stuff.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude, that's awesome. I think that's so important.
Speaker 2: Collaboration is is so important and it it boosts the magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah that we were also talking about that a little bit,
Speaker 2: how we're all like Antenna's you know, I view the
Speaker 2: artistic process as like magic.
Speaker 3: It's it's yeah, for one hundred percent magic, you're you're
Speaker 3: and and it's something really important for for people with
Speaker 3: you know, people are tapping into this gift easily. Uh,
Speaker 3: it is magic. It's really special. And and it's you're
Speaker 3: you're you're creating you're creating value with your mind. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and and and potentially immense value, not just in business
Speaker 3: and money, but you know, to you're changing people's lives.
Speaker 3: It's it's super valuable. So that's that's where it can
Speaker 3: be pretty you know, upsetting, where when things get perverted
Speaker 3: and turned into something that's not so special.
Speaker 1: It's like emotional energy. You're you're like you're affecting people
Speaker 1: in a de in a soul way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's with literal frequencies. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: blasting frequencies that have been designed in a very very
Speaker 3: specific way through your listener's bodies and they're they're changed
Speaker 3: by it. Literally, their lives are changed by it.
Speaker 1: The more we talk about this stuff. I think about
Speaker 1: it like telepathy, Like you know, like we're just you're
Speaker 1: sitting there and then all of a sudden, this this
Speaker 1: musical note or melody or beat, a rhythm or whatever,
Speaker 1: a hook, it just comes into your head and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, eureka, you know like it It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were talking about it last night. It's like it's
Speaker 1: a radio and sometimes you're flipping through channels and it's
Speaker 1: static and then it goes click, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: on a channel and it's clear. That's kind of how
Speaker 1: I think about it. And dude, it's already happened twice
Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours. Where remember how when
Speaker 1: we were growing up that we would like finish each
Speaker 1: other's sentences or like you would say something and it's
Speaker 1: in my head or vice versa. That's happened to us
Speaker 1: twice in the last twenty four hours already, you know.
Speaker 1: And I do feel like that there are those of
Speaker 1: us who when we're when we're creatives or maybe it's music,
Speaker 1: maybe it's whatever, that we're maybe tapping into that same frequency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when a space is created for us to be creative together,
Speaker 1: it's almost like we're all tuning into that same thing. Yes, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, like we were in the car today and
Speaker 1: it was like we said the same thing at the
Speaker 1: same time, remember to the to the clerk. And then
Speaker 1: last night we were having a conversation and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we both said it the same We went to like
Speaker 1: buy energy dreams at the gas station and and she
Speaker 1: was like, do you want two different flavors? And we
Speaker 1: both said at the same time, surprise me. He said,
Speaker 1: surprise me. I said, surprise us, and I was like,
Speaker 1: there we go. Last night we had another instance like that. Dude,
Speaker 1: Nick and I have been doing that a whole lot.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you know well, I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 3: you you connect with a person and you spend some
Speaker 3: time with a person, or just maybe you don't even
Speaker 3: have to spend time with a person, you just have
Speaker 3: just on that frequency. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, people are
Speaker 3: on yeah, yeah, you can. Everyone's got some sort of
Speaker 3: vibration going on, and they're probably slightly slight differences, but
Speaker 3: I mean you can feel it.
Speaker 2: And it was pretty wild. You talking last night about
Speaker 2: the thing that they do in in Nashville. What was it,
Speaker 2: Nashville rules.
Speaker 3: Natural rules, just even splits anybody. Oh yeah, back that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: energy is yeah, the vibe. There are Nashville Rules just
Speaker 3: basically says that when a song is created, whoever's in
Speaker 3: that room does there even splits, and that that can
Speaker 3: be abused and is abused sometimes. But it's also I
Speaker 3: think it's mostly a really a really it's usually a
Speaker 3: really cool thing because people are really pretty hardcore in
Speaker 3: Nashville too, and and take things very seriously. So when
Speaker 3: people do shady shit like that, usually they're kind of
Speaker 3: ousted out of the crew just with you know, it
Speaker 3: just happens naturally and people stop talking to them. But
Speaker 3: there are you know, I've heard lots of stories too
Speaker 3: of some big dogs who don't really do all that
Speaker 3: much in sessions, but they they're well connected. They're a
Speaker 3: really good fucking hang. They treat everybody well and they
Speaker 3: elevate the writing experience, and their names are on big,
Speaker 3: big songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Rick Rubin, Rick, Rick Rubin.
Speaker 3: Like in interviews Ultimate Elevator, Yes.
Speaker 2: And like interviews and stuff, people like you know, do
Speaker 2: you do you know how to use like a switchboard?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do you know how to play any instruments?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: This guy? Yeah, do you know anything? About music production,
Speaker 2: He's like, no, not really no, Like they're like, what
Speaker 2: do you do? He's like, I just know what.
Speaker 3: I like and I and people seem to like what
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 2: Literally, the way, yeah, his book is mind blowing. The
Speaker 2: way that he got started in music was like he
Speaker 2: went to a hip hop show and he had heard
Speaker 2: their album, and then he went and heard the same
Speaker 2: material live and he was like, this is so much
Speaker 2: better live, Like it's infinitely better live. How do we
Speaker 2: capture that on the record? And like he literally had
Speaker 2: he had never done anything with music production or anything whatsoever.
Speaker 2: He just felt called to go and talk to them
Speaker 2: and be like, can I just like be in the
Speaker 2: studio the next time you guys record and like maybe
Speaker 2: I throw in some ideas or something. And they were
Speaker 2: like sure whatever, and like he did it. He's been
Speaker 2: doing that for decades now. System of a Down. He's
Speaker 2: done that with I mean, you, you name it. He's
Speaker 2: worked with some of the biggest names in music, and
Speaker 2: he doesn't like technically know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and he's taking the time to to craft that,
Speaker 3: you know, the craft that experience or or make it
Speaker 3: possible for that to happen, because yeah, it is a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of time where you see a
Speaker 3: talented band perform a song off their album and and
Speaker 3: you're like, this, whatever is happening here is such a
Speaker 3: better version. It's because they've just played the song, you know,
Speaker 3: four hundred times in the last six months and and
Speaker 3: and they've all gotten so comfortable. It's just there's no
Speaker 3: more thinking about it. And then new things start happening,
Speaker 3: just a couple of little bits of flavor, and it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's definitely this cooler experience. Sometimes also there there you
Speaker 3: sometimes you get the like the very first take from
Speaker 3: a vocalist before they've even really practiced the song. Sometimes
Speaker 3: that's the one. Yeah, I don't know why that happens,
Speaker 3: but good example of the the that that like, like,
Speaker 3: why did this live version sound so much better? Mattie
Speaker 3: and me and Kellen would we just finished, uh the
Speaker 3: some new Amberlin stuff and it's it was the same
Speaker 3: thing like when I heard the new instrumentals that Kellen
Speaker 3: had produced with the band. They you can just tell
Speaker 3: that they've been playing these songs over and over for
Speaker 3: so many years and have added in all this new flavor,
Speaker 3: so you have this really cool, fresh take on these
Speaker 3: classic classic songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Matty Mullins is now the vocalist in Amberlin, so he's
Speaker 1: been he's been working with them to like record it's
Speaker 1: like their classics, but they're re recording with Matt completely
Speaker 1: re recorded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just they're just teased one or just dropped on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a whole. I don't know if I say.
Speaker 2: That is wild, it's very sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out Matty Mullen, snick and eye that that
Speaker 1: was some more of your work that we were always into.
Speaker 1: We loved Memphis May.
Speaker 2: Fire Sleeping with Sirens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not talking about Kellen quinn, right, Keen.
Speaker 3: Kellen McGregor is oh, I was a player of Memphis
Speaker 3: May Fire, is a phenomenal producer.
Speaker 1: Did you produce Sleeping with Cyrus?
Speaker 3: Yes, Dagny, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Realize that they're still hot, you feel, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like oh my god, every now and then, my wife
Speaker 1: and I'll be right in the car cooking dinner or whatever,
Speaker 1: and we'll just throw on that emo playlist and like
Speaker 1: obviously Sleeping with Sirens is like, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: not emo music, but it definitely fits the vibe and
Speaker 1: like it's still hits. Everything you made then it still hits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate that it stands. Yeah, it really does it.
Speaker 2: Does you captured something?
Speaker 1: Do you look with hands like houses still hits, still hits?
Speaker 1: I mean everything, yeah, everything. There was that era, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a pivotal era for us because
Speaker 1: we were like teenagers. Yeah, you know, like senior. I
Speaker 1: was a senior year a junior, and all this stuff
Speaker 1: was coming out. And that's that's why we, you know,
Speaker 1: started following your work because we started liking all of
Speaker 1: these similar bands with this kind of like similar vibe.
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we found out, you know, about you
Speaker 1: and and and it just was so crazy that like
Speaker 1: when you reached out to me a few months ago,
Speaker 1: you just like left a comment on Instagram.
Speaker 2: I was like, Nick, I was like, no, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I'm fanboying, like I'm I'm I'm a literal fanboy
Speaker 3: for every mutual guys do, and and I'm commenting just
Speaker 3: like I love being a part of this. This is
Speaker 3: so cool. I never I never.
Speaker 2: Expected how did you end up coming across the Was
Speaker 2: it just Instagram? Was it like the reels and stuff?
Speaker 3: It was Instagram as far as the podcast goes, and
Speaker 3: all the content you guys are putting out now, it
Speaker 3: was Instagram just started popping up. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you know how that works. Yeah, but uh, I have
Speaker 3: I'm certain my my dad and I like we we
Speaker 3: have always uh watched UFO things, uh everywhere you know
Speaker 3: that like Hotel TV, you know, yeah, and we've I
Speaker 3: remember the Bloodstone name from some sort of documentary or
Speaker 3: some sort of from years back, from years back, years
Speaker 3: and years back. And then I I I saw your
Speaker 3: pops on Skinwalker.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I started digging in more and and I
Speaker 3: heard some other places too. But then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the bloodsoe said, so started popping up in my feed
Speaker 3: and and just everything I'm seeing, I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so yeah. I just start following commenting, and that's awesome,
Speaker 3: that's awesome.
Speaker 1: We've had this book for a while now. Obviously, like
Speaker 1: a few months ago, we had been hopping on the
Speaker 1: phone and like introducing ourselves and like having some chats,
Speaker 1: and we got this on the calendar. So like a
Speaker 1: little funny thing that's been going on is like a
Speaker 1: lot of times when I'm posting guests lately, he'll comment,
Speaker 1: He'll be like, oh, this is so sick. And then
Speaker 1: I'll comment, I'll be like, come on the show, make
Speaker 1: it sick. Or there's not like multiple Yeah, there's like
Speaker 1: multiple iterations of that, like where we've known that it's
Speaker 1: been right, but like I just imagine when other people
Speaker 1: in the comments are seeing Yeah a minute, literally yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was like two days ago. We did
Speaker 1: that again. But anyway, Yeah, dude, we're so excited you came.
Speaker 1: And I think there's like there's an amazing synergy, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 1: We've been aware of you, you've been aware of us,
Speaker 1: and it's like the Avengers are just growing growing. It's
Speaker 1: like when Deadpool was was trying to join the Avengers
Speaker 1: or maybe like or Spider Man or something like you know,
Speaker 1: becomes an Avenger. But yeah, dude, and I just like,
Speaker 1: I'm so amazed by your background with this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: this stuff isn't new to you.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Kind of throughout my life, I've I've I've had a
Speaker 3: couple of experiences and and and then more recently in Arizona,
Speaker 3: you know, after very much so influenced by y'all's content.
Speaker 3: Recently was the first time that I, you know, set
Speaker 3: out with what they plan like I wanted to. I
Speaker 3: wanted to see if I could connect and see something
Speaker 3: versus you know, some experiences I had when I was
Speaker 3: really young and are still so like it's first off,
Speaker 3: it's my young brain. Second off, it's so many years ago.
Speaker 3: And just how do you like it's hard to process
Speaker 3: what I saw when I was a kid. You know,
Speaker 3: these giant orb and then a two small orbs in
Speaker 3: a field. I'm jumping all over the place. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: but but like, yeah, so more recently, I went out
Speaker 3: to see my mom and said, and I woke up
Speaker 3: for three days in a row at four am and
Speaker 3: went outside by myself in the dark, and uh. And
Speaker 3: it was the first time that I set out intentions
Speaker 3: and and audibly said you know and both you know,
Speaker 3: said in my head internally and and also spoke out
Speaker 3: loud and I kind of adopted you know, I reject
Speaker 3: all evil and I'd love to connect. I'd love to
Speaker 3: see you. And I mean just yeah, three three nights
Speaker 3: in a row, I saw multiple orbs. Uh far really
Speaker 3: far distance, look like satellites don't move like satellites unless
Speaker 3: satellites move like animals and flies buzzing around, which you know,
Speaker 3: who knows, but but yeah, three nights in a row
Speaker 3: had really cool experiences. And on Earth mornings night.
Speaker 1: And it's still dark outs, still dark a four am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would, I would. I'd just be out
Speaker 3: there with my head up for literally like three hours.
Speaker 3: They'll just keep coming and then and then eventually just stop.
Speaker 3: But uh, the third night was was the was the
Speaker 3: coolest one. It was like the finale. I was literally
Speaker 3: given a finale.
Speaker 1: Comes in threes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that my when I was eight ten
Speaker 3: or whatever, the three orbs the and then this, yeah,
Speaker 3: the finale was, uh, you know, you know, you're looking up,
Speaker 3: so it's as if these three orbs in a triangle
Speaker 3: are going away from me while spinning, and so they're
Speaker 3: spinning outward, and then one of them disappears, and then
Speaker 3: the second one disappears, and then the last remaining one
Speaker 3: stays like like hey, yeah you know, and uh and
Speaker 3: starts meandering around and then disappears.
Speaker 1: And that was the one when you were young, right,
Speaker 1: that was okay, okay, yeah, the thing when I was
Speaker 1: young was just this very quick but like very bright,
Speaker 1: strange and clearly three lights and really confused me because
Speaker 1: there was a lamp post.
Speaker 3: Right there that was creating like the I thought this.
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, there's a really weird lens flare
Speaker 3: coming off this light or something. But it is large
Speaker 3: orb two small.
Speaker 1: Orbs, and you probably spent your whole bluish.
Speaker 3: Bright, like like the kind of bright that's almost like
Speaker 3: a search when you see a search light. It's just
Speaker 3: a really like rays right very blue and and either
Speaker 3: zipped in or appeared blooped blue or bleed bp bl
Speaker 3: uh and and then bleeped out, you know, and and uh.
Speaker 3: And that one was you know, I was I was
Speaker 3: a kid, and I was kind of having these at
Speaker 3: the time as I was just going through a weird
Speaker 3: time and experiencing some uh you know, I was having
Speaker 3: some realizations in my kid brain like, man, some of
Speaker 3: this shit that's going on life is fucked up. And
Speaker 3: and it. Yes, I had the experience in a moment
Speaker 3: of reflection where I was kind of disturbed and then
Speaker 3: and it and it it changed me in that moment.
Speaker 1: It came to you in a and we don't have
Speaker 1: to go into anything that's personal that's up to you.
Speaker 3: How how nothing is personal?
Speaker 1: Okay, well but but from what you've told us, Like
Speaker 1: last night we were talking about this, it came to you,
Speaker 1: and this is on brand with these beings. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: came to you in a moment of trauma. It came
Speaker 1: to you. You saw it, and maybe consciously you didn't know.
Speaker 1: And you're eight or ten or however old you were
Speaker 1: a brain, maybe you didn't know that that thing appearing
Speaker 1: altered your course. But that's what they do when you're
Speaker 1: in these deep places of trauma and suffering and you're
Speaker 1: like kind of at rock bottom, so to speak, which
Speaker 1: you were with what you were going through, and it
Speaker 1: came and it's almost like a moment of comfort they
Speaker 1: give you that, they give you that sign that like
Speaker 1: you know, it is all right, it is okay. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at the very least, it completely veered
Speaker 3: my thoughts into a different direction and I didn't think
Speaker 3: about that shit again. I was like the Yeah, my
Speaker 3: weirdo Chinese camp roommate is strange and whatever, and people
Speaker 3: are bullying me for either not being Chinese enough or
Speaker 3: being Chinese, Like yeah, I was like I think I
Speaker 3: was like eight, ten maybe, But I was in Chinese camp,
Speaker 3: by the way, which was a wonderful experience. I'm really
Speaker 3: happy I did it. I literally learned. I mastered the
Speaker 3: Chinese yo yo in.
Speaker 2: Whoa wait what? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like literal Chinese camp man. We learned
Speaker 3: how to traditional Chinese painting, ink painting, Chinese yoyo diablo.
Speaker 1: And it was a summer camp.
Speaker 3: It was a summer camp, and it was I was
Speaker 3: just kind of I mean, it was all through my
Speaker 3: childhood that, you know, being bullied because Asian, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And where did you grow up, by the way, Florida, Florida.
Speaker 1: Okah, Okay, I want to expect something like that in Florida,
Speaker 1: but whatever one I mean, I mean, it happens everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happens everywhere. But yeah, I would expect to hear
Speaker 1: but it is.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 3: And you know, I wasn't getting the shit beaten out
Speaker 3: of me. Sure it got jumped once, but the you know,
Speaker 3: it's normal stuff. But I remember as a kid, I'm
Speaker 3: just having the realization that I'm so I came from
Speaker 3: public school. Uh and I'm in public school. I'm getting
Speaker 3: bullied for being Chinese, and then I go to this
Speaker 3: Chinese camp and I'm I'm instantly getting bullied for only
Speaker 3: being half Chinese, which is so racked.
Speaker 2: It is true though, it's what kids do. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 2: kids are like, you're different from me. Yeah, well you're wrong.
Speaker 1: And they don't understand what they're doing either.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it haunts. And it's also natural for that
Speaker 2: to really really fucking hurt.
Speaker 3: It hurts everybody totally, and and and we all know that,
Speaker 3: you know, this hurt people, hurt people. So yeah, in actuality,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, you've got to feel bad for
Speaker 3: anybody acting out because you know they're they're experiencing something
Speaker 3: very painful and they're getting it out of their body
Speaker 3: in the wrong all the wrong ways.
Speaker 1: But you're the target of unfortunate Yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 2: Mean all around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so so we were with we got paired
Speaker 3: up with roommates in the dorm and uh, and my
Speaker 3: my roommate was just just a total weirdo and uh,
Speaker 3: it's just creeped me out and uh, and he was
Speaker 3: asleep and it was like two am and I'm looking
Speaker 3: out the window. I'm like, so I fucked at school.
Speaker 3: I fucked that camp this is and this kid's a
Speaker 3: weirdo and I can't sleep and then yeah, and then
Speaker 3: just the very next day too. So the within two
Speaker 3: days being there, I had I had collected two bullies
Speaker 3: who were bullying me for not being Chinese enough and
Speaker 3: having a a name given by my grandma, a Chinese name,
Speaker 3: Hong Kong, which they thought was hilarious. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's strong, come on, that's cool as fuck.
Speaker 1: It's very strong.
Speaker 3: But they they they would just wait for me outside
Speaker 3: my door, wait for me to come out, so they
Speaker 3: just start pushing me, and uh and uh. And the
Speaker 3: very next day I just stood up for myself and
Speaker 3: and and uh ended up. Not that this is positive
Speaker 3: at all, but I I was. I continued to stand
Speaker 3: my ground and stand up for myself. And on picture
Speaker 3: that I pushed one of them down the stairs.
Speaker 1: Oh god, hey, I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so terrible. That not not a good thing,
Speaker 3: but like it it gave Yeah, it totally changed my
Speaker 3: course of thought. I gained some courage. I'm like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what the fuck that was. And I didn't
Speaker 3: really think about it ever again, or you know, for
Speaker 3: a while, but it was just a thing that happened,
Speaker 3: and and I had some newfound confidence and it was
Speaker 3: more enjoyable experience and and uh and and all throughout life,
Speaker 3: you know, I've uh when uh, you know, I'm in
Speaker 3: spots with low light pollution. I've always seen stuff uh
Speaker 3: frequently and with family and friends. But you know, we
Speaker 3: always do that thing where it's like, oh, look that
Speaker 3: satellite right, another satellite.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to bet a lot of that was not satellite.
Speaker 1: So you just didn't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know this now, you know. It's very it's
Speaker 3: very obvious. And I mean, so all of this is
Speaker 3: so obvious and so clear cut and dry.
Speaker 1: It makes it just now.
Speaker 2: Dig this much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it and it and it makes it It's
Speaker 3: what a funny situation to have these such obvious things
Speaker 3: happening and and things that make all of our existence
Speaker 3: make more sense and and you and with a large
Speaker 3: portion of the population, you can't even talk about it.
Speaker 2: It's true. True, And that's true because of attachment. I
Speaker 2: think that's because people are just so hyper attached to
Speaker 2: their beliefs and they cling onto them for dear life.
Speaker 3: Also propaganda, yeah, for sure, Oh totally. Yeah, there's you know,
Speaker 3: very very dark reasons for a lot of things, and
Speaker 3: usually money driven money, money power driven things, and also
Speaker 3: uh people. Something I've learned in the music industry very
Speaker 3: hard lessons is people are usually very dangerous when they've
Speaker 3: been caught doing something wrong. That is a pivotal moment
Speaker 3: where you're going to find out a lot of that
Speaker 3: person is when you confront them with something that they've
Speaker 3: really fucked up and now they have the opportunity to
Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot of work, but you've
Speaker 3: got to fix this. Do you fix it or not?
Speaker 3: Do you hide it under rug? Do you scapegoat? Do
Speaker 3: you blame it on somebody else? What are you going
Speaker 3: to do in this situation? How much money is that?
Speaker 3: What is this? How big is this situation? And and
Speaker 3: you know, unfortunately people don't like being wrong and and
Speaker 3: just saying they were wrong and then fucking fixing it,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, So you know, if you have years
Speaker 3: and years and years of secrecy and covering something up,
Speaker 3: hoarding hoarding uh valuable information, then of course you know,
Speaker 3: these these groups or these people are not going to
Speaker 3: want to admit that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like they're like too deep, they're too deep,
Speaker 2: they're too invested. Yeah, they've like dug their heels in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would be it would like blow the
Speaker 2: cover off of everything to to dig those heels out
Speaker 2: even a little bit. Yeah. They give no ground whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, admit nothing, deny everything straight out. Isn't that the
Speaker 3: swat CIA FBI's yeah, the motto.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right, even down to the individual. It's
Speaker 2: people are afraid to give any ounce of leeway. And
Speaker 2: some of that is like I think like programming, like
Speaker 2: especially people who grew up in in like organized religion. Yes,
Speaker 2: most organized religion is like all the other ones are wrong. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: not only are they wrong, and that's what they're evil.
Speaker 2: And if you go looking at any of the other religions,
Speaker 2: it'll invade your mind, it'll poison you, and you'll be
Speaker 2: haunted with demons and like.
Speaker 3: And how upsetting that just just the the nature of
Speaker 3: that statement in itself. Everybody else is wrong, like just
Speaker 3: on a basic human level. I feel like, without influence,
Speaker 3: every human would understand that that is not the right
Speaker 3: way to go about that, Like, oh, that's an incorrect
Speaker 3: thing to say, right just in general, And but but
Speaker 3: it's just instantly you latch onto it and you're like
Speaker 3: everybody else is wrong and I'm right sick.
Speaker 1: You'll get a kick out of this. But when I
Speaker 1: started doing kung fu back in my early college years,
Speaker 1: I was really still into church because I had just
Speaker 1: grown up. And I went and I told my pastor
Speaker 1: that I started doing kung fu, and he told me,
Speaker 1: he literally told me, he was like this, He was like,
Speaker 1: you need to be careful if you do any sort
Speaker 1: of those kind of stances where you get into a
Speaker 1: trance that's from them, demons will come in you fuck man,
Speaker 1: kung fu bro, you know forms, you know.
Speaker 3: And the fucked up part is that there there is
Speaker 3: there's a lot of reality to that statement, where yes,
Speaker 3: you can get into a trance from these these forms
Speaker 3: and stances of a very meditative thing happening.
Speaker 1: But it's a good thing.
Speaker 3: And martial arts and also any sort of meditative state
Speaker 3: or or altered state of mind can be a beautiful
Speaker 3: if if the person is beautiful and has the intention
Speaker 3: to connect with beautiful things, then any altered state of
Speaker 3: mind is a way to do that.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's a pathway.
Speaker 3: If if you're dealing with a dark piece of shit,
Speaker 3: who's on a dark path. Then you can also use
Speaker 3: the states to connect with the dark things to again,
Speaker 3: both of these things are real. And now you have
Speaker 3: a person who's saying, don't do them martial arts because
Speaker 3: you're gonna connect with fucking demons. Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it messed with my head for a little while
Speaker 1: because I had such a love of it. I continue
Speaker 1: to go, but I was I knew it wasn't true,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of like it hurt my It
Speaker 1: hurt to think that he I knew he was it
Speaker 1: was bullshit.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, you know, but it's.
Speaker 1: Still suck to hear like, oh yeah, I'm being judged totally.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I'm being judged by my superiors.
Speaker 2: And well it's like instilling fear in you. Yes, that's
Speaker 2: the program.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, same with yoga. He was like yoga gets
Speaker 1: demons in here. I was doing yoga, you know, and just.
Speaker 3: Just the awareness to be like like, oh okay, so
Speaker 3: like like versions of people like you exist, Like what
Speaker 3: the fuck? Like how do you even navigate?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: When when you you realize more and more, how how
Speaker 3: many people are are stuck in a point a view
Speaker 3: like that? Oh it's yeah, I can't think of the word. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's it sucks, frustrating.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's disheartening, it's yeah, it's it's very daunting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, daunting thought it is.
Speaker 2: Because how do you how do you break people free
Speaker 2: from that? It can't happen externally either. In most cases,
Speaker 2: it's like it has to come from within, right, you
Speaker 2: have to want to break out of that.
Speaker 3: And that's with with most things too, like uh, my
Speaker 3: my pub guy Jay, uh really great close friend. He
Speaker 3: he's just even in business in music industry and stuff.
Speaker 3: He's always taught me. Like it's like, man, if someone
Speaker 3: believes something, don't even just don't waste your time, just
Speaker 3: don't even try. Just you have to let people gret
Speaker 3: if somebody, if the artist. This is what it's about too,
Speaker 3: because it's really frustrating. If the artist doesn't want to
Speaker 3: learn about their publishing, you don't need to take it
Speaker 3: on yourself to try to teach them. They're just going
Speaker 3: to have to miss out on that money and it's
Speaker 3: going to hurt.
Speaker 2: And that's how they're going to learn.
Speaker 3: That's why I learned, you know. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 3: I mean and and yeah, in this case, it's such
Speaker 3: a beautiful thing. People are missing out.
Speaker 1: I have to ask, because transform your life if you
Speaker 1: let go, you know for sure. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: release a lot of inherent fear that's programmed into our minds.
Speaker 1: But I do have to ask because you've told me
Speaker 1: now multiple times that your mother is a zim Buddhist
Speaker 1: or was Is she still practicing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now what I'm curious about is like, when you
Speaker 1: were growing up, did she teach you any sort of
Speaker 1: meditation practices?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, It's so funny the I I've been doing
Speaker 3: more and more, you know, self reflecting and and now
Speaker 3: that I'm I'm kind of past them. I'm certain I'm
Speaker 3: past the most chaotic parts of my life and and
Speaker 3: I have some stability, and and I have the I
Speaker 3: have time and and space in my body to even
Speaker 3: think about, you know, reflect on my life and stuff.
Speaker 3: And it's just so interesting realizing how everything was just
Speaker 3: laid out to a tea.
Speaker 1: Like you can see in the orbits as a child,
Speaker 1: all of it, all of it.
Speaker 3: My dad, my dad, you know, uh, he found it
Speaker 3: very important to teach me how to draw three dimensional things.
Speaker 3: Always a crystal grow He's a he's a you know
Speaker 3: physicist essentially a rocket scientist, and he grows man made
Speaker 3: crystals for UH, laser devices for the military and whoa,
Speaker 3: so he he always you know, he's always bringing crystals
Speaker 3: home and laser devices is unreleased military ship and and
Speaker 3: UH and teaching me how to draw three dimensional things,
Speaker 3: you know, starting with a box, you know, and how
Speaker 3: to how to make that three dimensional and I'll try
Speaker 3: a triangle, how to make you know, give the more
Speaker 3: sides and and and then my mom instilling very spiritual practices.
Speaker 3: And something special that my mom did was she started
Speaker 3: taking me to every type of church so that I
Speaker 3: could see what it's all about and experience it.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: The Orthodox Pentecostal.
Speaker 1: I was Pentecostal growing up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think my my popsle is Lutheran.
Speaker 2: I don't know. We went to Anglican and Greek Orthodox.
Speaker 2: That was like the two Anglican is like it's like
Speaker 2: diet Catholicism kind Yeah, it's like you say, like the
Speaker 2: you do the creed and you say all the like
Speaker 2: there's the hymns and you do like the traditional communion
Speaker 2: where you like have to go and kneel in front
Speaker 2: of the thing and the the deacons are wearing the
Speaker 2: robes and stuff. But it's hilarious because it's like in
Speaker 2: Gray's Creek, North Carolina. So it's like or fall, who
Speaker 2: arton have? And how would be by name? It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's yeah, pretty well.
Speaker 3: I can't stop thinking about Scott's staff ever since you
Speaker 3: said Creed. I completely glazed everything you just said.
Speaker 1: I was like, I extremelessly love amazing.
Speaker 3: Uh Me and a buddy Evan McKeever producer friend, we
Speaker 3: always say, praise our Lord Scott's stat.
Speaker 2: That's so cool though, that she brought you to like
Speaker 2: every different kind of church.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a bunch of different types of church. And she
Speaker 3: let me make my own decision, and I think my
Speaker 3: own decision ended up being like this is this is
Speaker 3: all interesting, but I kind of like what we do
Speaker 3: at home and what what I see you doing, and
Speaker 3: and uh I, I I always felt like it was
Speaker 3: it made more sense to look inside, not worshiping yourself.
Speaker 3: But you can look inside for spiritual connection and you
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to be doing these things that somebody
Speaker 3: told you to do to connect. And I think that's
Speaker 3: a lot of what I learned from my mom and
Speaker 3: she did teach me at a very young age. I've
Speaker 3: been I'm asthma boy, and uh, I got asthma when
Speaker 3: I was you know, started getting asma when I was young.
Speaker 3: So she started teaching me these bread breathing techniques. She
Speaker 3: taught me how to breathe properly very young. So I've
Speaker 3: been breathing from my dantiane for you know, since I
Speaker 3: was a baby. Breathing from your your dantean is is
Speaker 3: your your uh, It's where like your life force comes from.
Speaker 3: It's a It's also associated associated with a chakra, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the sacred chaka is the dantean.
Speaker 1: That's like the Chinese aspect of the sacral exactly is
Speaker 1: where dantean. I've heard that before.
Speaker 3: It's where it comes from. Okay, all all your energy
Speaker 3: and your body comes your cheek comes from your dantiane
Speaker 3: and and that's where you know, you see a lot of.
Speaker 1: This the lotus post. Yeah, I sing your energy from
Speaker 1: I'm with.
Speaker 3: It dantian And even in breathing, you you breathe into
Speaker 3: your dantian and then let it up into the top
Speaker 3: of your lungs, breathing in here and then push it
Speaker 3: up to your lung.
Speaker 2: So you learn from a young age.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally, because she she was just trying to
Speaker 3: get me to you know, breathe through asthma attacks. And
Speaker 3: and also when I'm amazing, I was fucking you know,
Speaker 3: adhd as fucking and h wild, can't stop moving, so
Speaker 3: she would try to get me to calm down with
Speaker 3: breathing techniques. And also I was her guinea pig through
Speaker 3: acupunctures school.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like an amazing upbringing.
Speaker 3: Truly an amazing upbringing. She she you know, had omani
Speaker 3: podmeome uh throughout the house a lot.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: That is so like profound to me right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And and I of course, you know, like as
Speaker 3: most of us do as piece of ship kids. You know,
Speaker 3: I was just like, whatever, this is cool. You know,
Speaker 3: it's interesting. I don't se anybody else, you know.
Speaker 1: He reminded me of two things right now, because I'm
Speaker 1: a big anime nerd bro, and I relate to like
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna sound so cheesy, but I'm
Speaker 1: being dead serious, bro. Like my entire life, a part
Speaker 1: of a core facet of my personality has been shaped
Speaker 1: by Eastern arts. And like I've talked to people before
Speaker 1: that have told me they're like, I feel like you
Speaker 1: were a monk at a past life, and I'm like, oh, probably, dude,
Speaker 1: but like I I relate, so like, dude, come on,
Speaker 1: I mean we got to look, you know, the only
Speaker 1: thing and we're into that. But like anyway, So there's
Speaker 1: two anime that come to mind that you're reminded me of,
Speaker 1: and one is Demon Slayer.
Speaker 3: Have you seen it's yeh yeah, where.
Speaker 2: They do the breathing.
Speaker 1: It's very cool. You should check it out for that alone,
Speaker 1: just just like how they like focus on their uh
Speaker 1: concentrated breathing or whatever like gives them strength. But then
Speaker 1: another one is Donna On, which is a recent one
Speaker 1: that just started coming out, and it's.
Speaker 2: FA's it's hyped's so crazy. It's on the nose of
Speaker 2: this show. It's like this anime was made for this show.
Speaker 1: Bro. They even talk about Skinwalker, like we've been on Skinwalker.
Speaker 1: Oh ship, Yeah, they talk about Yeah, like the dude
Speaker 1: the boy is like a UFO nerd and he has
Speaker 1: it just like push her glasses up and he's like
Speaker 1: there's the Skinwalker ranch and there's this colonel that talked
Speaker 1: about this thing in America and they talk about UF
Speaker 1: he's obsessed with you. And then there's a girl. Respond
Speaker 1: there's a girl whose mother was like, uh, like a
Speaker 1: Buddhist shaman and a psychic. So the girl grows up
Speaker 1: and her grandmother's teaching her like cheese seals and and
Speaker 1: it like it goes into when she's a child and
Speaker 1: she's like this shit is so lame, and then when
Speaker 1: she's older, she's like, you know, actually, this ship's real
Speaker 1: reminded me of that, Like, yeah, the old monipodme home,
Speaker 1: which is so profound because I've been like really into
Speaker 1: that in the last year. And as a kid, you're
Speaker 1: probably like, ah, whatever, it's.
Speaker 3: Like I got this tattoo because it's like I've seen
Speaker 3: that all over the place in my house and and
Speaker 3: I like the message, Yeah sick.
Speaker 1: But then you think on it later, You think on
Speaker 1: it later, and it's like, really profound.
Speaker 3: I stamped myself with something very profound and it probably
Speaker 3: changed my course a little bit. Do and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And you put a sacred seal on yourself, yep, and uh.
Speaker 3: And yeah, looking back at all of this, I just
Speaker 3: realized more and more every single day when I reflect,
Speaker 3: like all these all these little things directed me exactly
Speaker 3: where I am right now. And yeah, yeah, it's pretty well.
Speaker 2: It's really cool. How like almost every what about the
Speaker 2: music thing? Did that come from either of your parents?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad is a master blues guitar player and
Speaker 3: uh and he uh, basically like he he forced me
Speaker 3: to start playing bass to ensure that he had a
Speaker 3: jam buddy.
Speaker 1: No, that's amazing, that's goals.
Speaker 3: My mom put me in piano and then my dad
Speaker 3: was like, learn some basslines.
Speaker 2: So we can jam. That's uh.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he would make me jam at least a
Speaker 3: couple few times a week.
Speaker 1: And that's awesome. Blues too. Of all things, how d
Speaker 1: end up in metal?
Speaker 3: So because it's sick, yeah, short, straight up, it's uh.
Speaker 3: We talked about this like a sick like break down,
Speaker 3: a sick heavy riff. There's nothing like it makes people
Speaker 3: react to it the same way like a hard ass trap.
Speaker 2: Beat does that's it, dude?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and it's the same feeling, it's the same, yes,
Speaker 1: and the stank face yeah yeah, but the same with
Speaker 1: funk too for me for sure, the same.
Speaker 3: Stank face punk for sure. Yeah, there's there's lots of Yeah,
Speaker 3: so there's these styles of music that make you feel
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 1: It's just rhythm bro.
Speaker 3: So I was, I was super band geek through high school.
Speaker 3: I was in jazz band, I was in I was
Speaker 3: to show choir, saphonic orchestra, marching band, the whole nine
Speaker 3: yards chamber choir. And where am I going with that?
Speaker 3: Spaced out? It's my ston or brain.
Speaker 1: Progression of metal.
Speaker 3: So so I went through these weird phases like I was.
Speaker 3: My first obsession was this band called space Hog space Hog.
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't cranked that one.
Speaker 2: You haven't cranked your space Hog?
Speaker 1: No, I haven't serious.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the song. But from
Speaker 3: there I got into uh Ska.
Speaker 1: Like I had a really interesting that was that was
Speaker 1: big at a certain time. It was just blowing up
Speaker 1: iby and and.
Speaker 3: And then that kind of morphed more into like the
Speaker 3: heavier versions. It's a little bit of punk and and
Speaker 3: Smarauanchi stuff and like op ibby so, like you listen
Speaker 3: back to those albums, you're like, these guys are recording
Speaker 3: badly in a garage.
Speaker 2: This is so bad. I love it.
Speaker 3: Like that was this working, that gritty.
Speaker 2: Stuff that was the vibe. It's sick sometimes though.
Speaker 3: And and then I think in sophomore you're sometime in
Speaker 3: high school. I think it was right around when I
Speaker 3: got my license. Just a buddy showed me.
Speaker 2: RJ.
Speaker 3: Palumbo. He was in the show choir band with me,
Speaker 3: and he's like, hey, check out to seven Dust. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: And they showed me stained and stuff. Oh legend, and
Speaker 3: and I just yeah, it was that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: like seven Dust. It's the closest thing to a breakdown
Speaker 3: I can think of before breakdowns were a thing, you know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and and they they do the I kind
Speaker 3: of I did an iteration of what they do with
Speaker 3: the whipping. Really they do that in one of their songs.
Speaker 2: Oh so you heard that and subconsciously you were like.
Speaker 3: Let's make it crazier. Yeah, sounds metal.
Speaker 2: That probably a bat Let me find a bat noise?
Speaker 3: Uh So that kinda the I mean, I did get
Speaker 3: into rock stuff in high school, the hard rock stuff,
Speaker 3: and then then I ended up in college. I was
Speaker 3: in a pop rock band or like all band called
Speaker 3: Last Winter, and we had we had a lot of success,
Speaker 3: and we were on MTV and Laguna Beach and nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah that we did like a. We they made like
Speaker 3: virtual versions of ourselves for Virtual Laguna Beach. We played virtual.
Speaker 2: Shows and that's a little on the nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We were on My Super Sweet sixteen with Teana Taylor.
Speaker 3: No what did you play saying, oh, hell yeah, a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure? You played yourself? Yes, yes. And we
Speaker 3: started doing some tours and and I quickly realized, like
Speaker 3: this sucks, like this, the press, the I I like,
Speaker 3: I I just bow down to to when I meet
Speaker 3: those like born frontmen or front of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm so impressed when people just have that thing
Speaker 3: where they can command a crowd. They have there's not
Speaker 3: a where they literally come to life on stage, like
Speaker 3: the pressure and all and all of that energy. They
Speaker 3: that's when they when they feel most at peace. And I,
Speaker 3: on the other hand, am like this is terror. This
Speaker 3: is pure fucking terror. I black out the entire time
Speaker 3: on stage. Can't even remember what happened.
Speaker 1: You sounded grade.
Speaker 3: I don't fucking where am I? You know?
Speaker 1: I'm like that too, man. I just I just officiated
Speaker 1: his wedding back in September, and I swear I blacked
Speaker 1: out and.
Speaker 2: At the end I was like his wedding and it's
Speaker 2: same thing, blacked out, Yeah, let me get through this ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah I hope I did okay, so like.
Speaker 3: So so so yeah I did that. And then the
Speaker 3: production thing started getting more and more attractive because I
Speaker 3: was producing my own band stuff and kind of learning
Speaker 3: that way because we're like one person was like, well,
Speaker 3: I guess we should, you know, record some of this music.
Speaker 3: It's pretty sick and and uh, you know, before we
Speaker 3: had some success and and we contacted like one producer
Speaker 3: and we're like, oh man, that costs a lot of
Speaker 3: money not doing that. So I was like, fuck, I
Speaker 3: I think I can learn. You know, we all pitched
Speaker 3: in for a digit O one. It's like seven hundred
Speaker 3: dollars and and uh and I just started learning and
Speaker 3: making these with like no no experience or learning whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I'm doing this all by my ear. So I'm doing
Speaker 3: a lot of things completely backward and wrong. I'm just
Speaker 3: it's it's what I'm interpreting from you know, this rock
Speaker 3: music or music I'm influenced by a trend engineer. And
Speaker 3: then I'm trying to recreate this in my own way.
Speaker 3: And so I developed a lot with last winter producing
Speaker 3: our own stuff. And then I decided I don't want
Speaker 3: to do this touring thing anymore. This is too much pressure,
Speaker 3: this producing thing. Because all all my friends' bands were
Speaker 3: starting to record with me, and they heard Last Winter
Speaker 3: stuff we did well, gained attention that way, and and
Speaker 3: a lot of my friends started bringing in their heavy
Speaker 3: things at heavier and heavier metal stuff, and I just
Speaker 3: started thinking, like, like, I realize now, I'm I was just,
Speaker 3: with no prior learning or knowledge, trying to emulate not
Speaker 3: only what the sounds I was hearing, but subconsciously, I
Speaker 3: think I was emulating what the music made me feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, yeah, so I hear this.
Speaker 3: You know, these recordings even like like seven does some
Speaker 3: of the older school stuff. I'm like, man, this makes
Speaker 3: me feel like like amp the fuck up. And you know,
Speaker 3: like the tr that beat, but why does it sound dinky?
Speaker 3: You know, it sound kind of you know, sorry, kind
Speaker 3: of lame. You know. Yeah, It's like, why does the
Speaker 3: snare sound like it's from the fucking forties? What's going
Speaker 3: on here?
Speaker 2: You know? And and so juice this up.
Speaker 3: Let's blast ten dbs of one hundred and eighty K
Speaker 3: and see what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that about your production, man, because like, especially
Speaker 1: back then, it's it's cinematic, it's it's I feel like
Speaker 1: it was the carving into the metal scene with that
Speaker 1: like that high production feel, because back then it was
Speaker 1: all like, bro, you have Yeah, it's gotta be wrang,
Speaker 1: it's got to be low fig It's like. And then
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that that you started putting out,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, there's all the synth
Speaker 1: and they're singing, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, like it just changed every orchestra.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the orchestra.
Speaker 3: I've always obsessed with or with orchestral things, so that
Speaker 3: just started happening naturally. Is it is basically just like okay,
Speaker 3: but more, you know, okay, more is more like how
Speaker 3: do we make it heavier?
Speaker 1: Guess more of that thing? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it's true. It was just like
Speaker 2: its own thing.
Speaker 1: You're like a pioneer in that regard.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: You are a pioneer in that regard.
Speaker 2: Yea, definitely.
Speaker 1: I'm just speaking facts.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the first time I heard organ in
Speaker 2: a breakdown and what's the.
Speaker 1: Parcord? Yeah, I enterre. A song on the album starts
Speaker 1: as an organ and then it leads into I was
Speaker 1: like you dude, because heller high water.
Speaker 2: See the first The thing about that is that this
Speaker 2: was the first time I realized like because the mentality
Speaker 2: was very much it's gotta be raw. You got to
Speaker 2: stick a shitty mic on a cab, you gotta like
Speaker 2: use whatever mics you can't, but it all has to
Speaker 2: be real and it has to be raw, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it sounds like ship. Yeah, it has
Speaker 2: to be real and raw. And then your ship was
Speaker 2: the first time I heard where it's like, this is
Speaker 2: the we're priority tizing the sound above all, the experience
Speaker 2: above all.
Speaker 3: Nothing else mattersh lyrics you know a lot of trash lyrics, and.
Speaker 2: I mean the old stuff. Yeah, it's like as long
Speaker 2: as it sounds fucking sweet, Like, who cares about anything else.
Speaker 2: If you want to see real live music, go to
Speaker 2: a show, well that right.
Speaker 3: The The other thing was like if you if you
Speaker 3: stand next to a rock drummer on his drums that snare,
Speaker 3: when he hits that snare, you feel it hit you
Speaker 3: in the gut. And then you listen to a recording
Speaker 3: and you're like, why the fuck isn't it hitting me
Speaker 3: in the gut? Is it sounds like a piece of paper.
Speaker 3: So you know that you you just you look at
Speaker 3: the wave for him. You look at what's happening in
Speaker 3: a you know, spectral analyzer, and you can see that
Speaker 3: every instrument or every snare there's a resonant frequency. Yes, spike,
Speaker 3: that's the resonant frequency of the snare. So why not boost?
Speaker 1: People will kill that.
Speaker 3: It's weird. It's weird, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Snares the most important part of the kid.
Speaker 3: It's because of this obsession with trans making things transparent.
Speaker 3: Like the a pro sound is to make your your
Speaker 3: make your your your color transparent, make your compression transparent
Speaker 3: EQ so that things feel transparent. But you can't do
Speaker 3: that with drums. You you need to get knocked out
Speaker 3: by the drums these days hit you. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 3: boost those things and and I do that a lot
Speaker 3: with like people people watch me boost like uh, like
Speaker 3: like eight k of of of three thousand herts and
Speaker 3: a guitar like the nastiest frequency of.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it gets that twang, it gets that crazy
Speaker 2: gnarly twang on.
Speaker 3: It, and uh, and you know it's not for everybody, however, Uh,
Speaker 3: the entire music industry has seemed to adopt some of
Speaker 3: these sounds into not only rock country now is using
Speaker 3: the tanky drums now and really oh yeah, and uh
Speaker 3: you hear it and pop a lot. Yeah, it really
Speaker 3: did it. But really what happened was and I see
Speaker 3: it all the time still like some of the older
Speaker 3: school guys, which by the way, I think it's just
Speaker 3: two different genres of music. And I love old school,
Speaker 3: like the old school sound of rock and the thrashiness
Speaker 3: and the raunchiness. Sure, but I see it a lot
Speaker 3: where like old school guys, I want to say, a person,
Speaker 3: you know, they're the stuff they're gem and stuff with
Speaker 3: with you know some of these you know, newer bands
Speaker 3: with the more modern you know, Chaino Sturges sound and uh.
Speaker 1: And it's another name that was pivotal first growing up.
Speaker 1: We never don't know him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sturge is great.
Speaker 1: Stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, yeah, very very influential. I think it
Speaker 3: was kind of I.
Speaker 1: Think you guys in that era were like these Titans
Speaker 1: and this and this totally that we're just pushing.
Speaker 3: We're pretty much the only ones who could give you
Speaker 3: the sound that that sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fully the two of y'all. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I watched every video on YouTube I possibly could.
Speaker 3: And it's really it's really interesting too, because our sounds
Speaker 3: are very different. They are, I would I would say
Speaker 3: Joe's probably more consistent with his sound. I was a
Speaker 3: little bit all over the place, but like the the
Speaker 3: a similar thing is happening. It's like, why isn't angry
Speaker 3: music supposed to fucking punch you in the face? You know?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: And the cinematic in the cinematic vibe, big, big, larger
Speaker 3: than life. Yeah, put all the things more and more.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Stone of Brain. That that that Prada album
Speaker 2: Roots Above, Branches Below, that was one of the first
Speaker 2: things I heard with orchestral stuff in it too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was right around the same time as like
Speaker 2: Numbers was coming out. Was like, what is happening? I
Speaker 2: just like felt the shift happen. Yeah, Oh you were
Speaker 2: talking about like some older guys playing alongside the modern guys.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So so it's I mean, it's obvious you
Speaker 3: see the way a style of sound influences somebody in
Speaker 3: real life. So you have this guy jamming some of
Speaker 3: his new stuff and it's done in the older style,
Speaker 3: and then this No Name band with this newer recording
Speaker 3: jams their stuff and everybody in the room all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, you know, and and you can literally hear
Speaker 3: the from the from the you know, the guy with
Speaker 3: the other recording. So I think it's just there's no
Speaker 3: wrong or right. It's just one is definitely more angry
Speaker 3: and does does a different thing.
Speaker 2: It captures the the intention. The intention of like metal
Speaker 2: music is to be in emotional. It is like a
Speaker 2: high fucking emotion and yeah, I think something that you
Speaker 2: said to me last night was like that kind of
Speaker 2: music is the hardest thing to do. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: think it's because of that, because you're not just trying
Speaker 2: to capture a good sound. You're trying to capture that
Speaker 2: fucking feeling yeah yeah, and that emotion, and you're trying
Speaker 2: to elicit.
Speaker 3: So many elements to make it to make it sound
Speaker 3: the way it's supposed to. There's h B jillion things
Speaker 3: going on at once, and when you think you're done
Speaker 3: with the track, there's still more post production to do.
Speaker 3: Those What Was Me albums, it took me like forty
Speaker 3: five to fifty days with band in studio, then they leave,
Speaker 3: and then I spend another two to three months, you know,
Speaker 3: nerding the fuck out over this?
Speaker 2: Are you working on just that in that time?
Speaker 3: No, I'm losing my mind with another band in and
Speaker 3: coming in early, not sleeping, going on benders, like working
Speaker 3: on shit for four days straight, and some of that,
Speaker 3: some of that psychosis probably made some of this.
Speaker 1: You know what that that that phenomenon brings me to another.
Speaker 1: There's two more things I feel like we have to
Speaker 1: talk about before we wrap this today, So if y'all
Speaker 1: don't mind, I want, of course lay up some other questions.
Speaker 1: So I think two things that we need to talk
Speaker 1: about before this raps cam is we got to talk
Speaker 1: about when you started going out of body? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we haven't even mentioned that yet, sure have you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's wanted his whole life what Yes, That's why I
Speaker 1: softballed the question earlier about like did your mom teach
Speaker 1: you meditation when you were younger? Because I wanted to
Speaker 1: get to And then the other thing is we have
Speaker 1: to talk soapbox.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, yes, yes, So let's.
Speaker 1: Let's go into the the the out of body thing.
Speaker 1: So how old were you when you started spontaneously going
Speaker 1: out of body?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call it spontaneous?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: And and it was even though it's the same a
Speaker 3: similar place, if not the same place you're going to. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's uh, it was a dream thing, it was. It
Speaker 3: was very much so a lucid dreaming thing. And hm
Speaker 3: hm so so I grew up with without the internet.
Speaker 3: I also, my parents are fucking amazing people and they're
Speaker 3: they're genius. Uh you know, Unfortunately life is is very difficult.
Speaker 3: My my mom's severely traumatized from her childhood growing up
Speaker 3: in coastal Taiwan village just after the Japanese invasion. Her parents,
Speaker 3: my grandparents fought the Japanese in the Japanese invasion. That
Speaker 3: was horrific. Obviously horrific stories.
Speaker 1: They really like just decimated villages and yeah, yeah had
Speaker 1: the country like completely under controlled during the war.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like my my grandma just like without flinching, tells
Speaker 3: these stories. Yeah, you know it was I was dragging
Speaker 3: my my friend for what felt like myles and I
Speaker 3: looked back it.
Speaker 2: Was just half her body.
Speaker 1: That's horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so there's that, you know, that's past that
Speaker 3: my mom experiences. Uh you know, was was in a
Speaker 3: lot of that or post you know.
Speaker 2: And so so my.
Speaker 3: A lot of my life has been fucking chaos, lots
Speaker 3: of violence, extreme violence. Uh and and I've just kind
Speaker 3: of witnessed a lot of things that probably shouldn't have
Speaker 3: some really horrific deaths. I've I've been in some wild
Speaker 3: car accidents. I've I should have never walked away from
Speaker 3: like matrix style flipping six times and my whole front
Speaker 3: side of my car being squished down. I'm like this,
Speaker 3: there's blood spattered all over the inside of the car.
Speaker 1: Bro he drove off a cliff and boone, no, and
Speaker 1: fell what was it like six hundred feet Okay, a
Speaker 1: few hundred less.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, and that that one was that was
Speaker 3: that was my most impactful out of body I'll tell
Speaker 3: that one. But uh so. So Yeah, as a kid,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I have all of this really artistic and
Speaker 3: spiritual and also you know, influence from a scientist. And
Speaker 3: I'm also in a very complicated, rough home life. I
Speaker 3: am just introduced, you know, I recently introduced it in
Speaker 3: second grade to public school, where I'm immediately like, this
Speaker 3: is not where I'm supposed to be. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: take off my shirt and getting kicked out of class,
Speaker 3: like why can I be naked? And uh not that
Speaker 3: Montessori school kids are running around naked, but it's free,
Speaker 3: you know. And and so there's a lot of and
Speaker 3: I have my sister. My sister practically raised me through
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of the rough stuff. And
Speaker 3: again my parents are incredible.
Speaker 2: But uh.
Speaker 3: So there's all this time. Like my sister was always like, Cam,
Speaker 3: let's just let's just go in a room and just chill.
Speaker 3: Let's just think about stuff. We go out by a
Speaker 3: tree and just like say nothing for hours and just
Speaker 3: kind of chill. And and it is that those kind
Speaker 3: of experiences where you don't have you don't have a phone,
Speaker 3: you don't have the internet, you don't have anything to
Speaker 3: distract you. So I was just draw all over my walls.
Speaker 3: My parents were very they encouraged us to make art
Speaker 3: everywhere and painted our floors and our walls, our ceilings
Speaker 3: and stuff. And so we just do we just be
Speaker 3: in our own heads. And at a really young age,
Speaker 3: I started just kind of passing the time by, like
Speaker 3: I'd close my eyes and visualize three D objects, Like
Speaker 3: right now, I got a hexagon, and you make it
Speaker 3: three D and you have glowing gold points at every intersection.
Speaker 3: You have this like three D object and you start
Speaker 3: spinning it in one direction and then try to spin
Speaker 3: it in the other direction, make it more complicated. Did
Speaker 3: zoom in and out? See how much of it you
Speaker 3: can remember? Like how can I build a uh you
Speaker 3: know kind of kind of make three you know, cubes
Speaker 3: with different colors on on sides and spin them around
Speaker 3: and keep this in the right Yeah, and and and
Speaker 3: still to this day, like for some reason, it's really
Speaker 3: difficult for me once I get the object, Like get
Speaker 3: the object and then I started spinning, It's so hard
Speaker 3: for me to get it spinning the.
Speaker 2: Other direction, like it like it hurts my t.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so like I still do that to this day,
Speaker 3: you know, if I'm waiting for something or at the
Speaker 3: d m V, I'm just like spinning objects and building
Speaker 3: these objects. And and you know, in hindsight, that's I'm
Speaker 3: tapping into. I'm exercising a muscle that is meditating, that
Speaker 3: is based on the ether, you know, uh, And I'm
Speaker 3: I'm creating. I'm creating what feel like physical things in
Speaker 3: my head that I can manipulate and move around.
Speaker 2: And and then.
Speaker 3: And then I started to also at a young age,
Speaker 3: maybe around the you know, the Chinese camp and you
Speaker 3: know six through you know, to up up into almost teens.
Speaker 3: Maybe I would start to uh, I just I I
Speaker 3: started thinking, you you got to be like, dreams are
Speaker 3: really sick. You must be able to influence what kind
Speaker 3: of dreams you have, Like what if I just think
Speaker 3: about some ship that I want to dream about?
Speaker 2: Did you just do that intuitively?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because because I started having flying dreams young, and
Speaker 3: I think that was a lot to do with swimming.
Speaker 3: I was a swimmer from age sixth to Olympic trials.
Speaker 1: You went to Olympic trials.
Speaker 3: I was training for Olympic trial. Burnt out, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was very very serious in my life. And so
Speaker 3: all this swimming I think influenced this. I was always
Speaker 3: flying in my dreams, and it was a swimming thing,
Speaker 3: and it was always a danger thing. There would be danger,
Speaker 3: so I'd be like fuck and I'd jump up and
Speaker 3: I'd start swimming as hard as I can, and then
Speaker 3: that time was flying. Yeah, And it was always physically
Speaker 3: like like I would wake up sweating like it was
Speaker 3: actually I know, I wasn't doing this in my sleep.
Speaker 3: I still like it was tasking and and so I'd
Speaker 3: start to I found that very like, very effectively. You
Speaker 3: can just and this was also before like iTunes or anything,
Speaker 3: but it was the same exact thing I would have,
Speaker 3: like the you know where you flip through the different
Speaker 3: albums you want to hear or whatever, except it would
Speaker 3: be just images of place cool places that I could
Speaker 3: go to in my dreams. So I'd visualize this, you know,
Speaker 3: swiping through all these places that I could dream about,
Speaker 3: and and I would dream about them and wow, and
Speaker 3: then the you know, and then get in you know,
Speaker 3: to more my teens, I get distracted by girls and stuff,
Speaker 3: and then I and and go to college and stuff and.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But basically, like I can't remember. I think I just
Speaker 3: grew out of thinking about that, probably around ten or
Speaker 3: something like. It wasn't you know, I was more interested
Speaker 3: in Ninja turtles, and then booths and then you know whatever,
Speaker 3: it just happened, yeah, and then and then in college
Speaker 3: so so so basically I'm I'm lucid dreaming.
Speaker 2: Like I know, I'm dreaming.
Speaker 3: I'm able to fly, and I can as a kid,
Speaker 3: you know, I can choose the things I want to
Speaker 3: dream about. Like roughly, you know, I would go to
Speaker 3: that place you know. And and then in college it
Speaker 3: was really weird time for me. I was super depressed,
Speaker 3: didn't want to be in school. It was not fun,
Speaker 3: and and I I was drinking a lot more too,
Speaker 3: obviously college, and uh so I started, you know, I
Speaker 3: would be in bed longer, be a little hungover, I'd
Speaker 3: get weird sleep where I'm not quite going fully into
Speaker 3: and and I just started noticing, like, fuck, man, when
Speaker 3: I'm getting that, Like when I when I wake up,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 3: to get up. It's like five am is too early.
Speaker 3: And then I go back to sleep. When I go
Speaker 3: back to sleep, I start realizing I'm having the craziest
Speaker 3: lucid dreaming, Like it is so fucking intense. And I
Speaker 3: think it's because I'm only in a half state, like
Speaker 3: my body's not feeling great and doing its own things,
Speaker 3: so I'm like partially awake, but I'm lucid dreaming like
Speaker 3: a motherfucker. So I'm like, I'm I'm gonna I might
Speaker 3: I'm depressed and I don't want to leave, so I
Speaker 3: might as well do a lot of sleeping and really,
Speaker 3: you know, see how far how much can I do
Speaker 3: with this, so it it got to the point where
Speaker 3: I have and I took notes of it, and I
Speaker 3: drew pictures of some of the places that it would
Speaker 3: continually go to that it ended up being very special
Speaker 3: to me. And again a hard time in my life.
Speaker 3: And uh, there's a one place I perceived as my apartment,
Speaker 3: and it was it looked like it looked like an
Speaker 3: abandoned taj Ma hall. It wasn't like megalithic with these
Speaker 3: amazing pyramid stone structures. It was very much so like
Speaker 3: a very well built with like some a layer of
Speaker 3: spackle and like clay paint and blues. And it looked
Speaker 3: like a taj Ma hall, just abandoned. And there's sand
Speaker 3: blowing through no doors, just all open. And I'm perceiving
Speaker 3: this as my apartment. And my roommate Mike must be
Speaker 3: out of town or something. He's not home, you know.
Speaker 3: And and this was my first time there. And and
Speaker 3: you walk behind this taj mall by the way, it's
Speaker 3: on it's on the edge of these massive, massive cliffs,
Speaker 3: like like bigger than the Grand Canyon, like like just
Speaker 3: go way up. And then you walk behind this place
Speaker 3: and there's a trail that leads all the way to
Speaker 3: this wall with a little door, and then you go
Speaker 3: through the door and there's this beach of snow, so
Speaker 3: I'll go there all the time. Also above the the
Speaker 3: building is there's ice caps, so there's this beautiful spot.
Speaker 3: It was like my tranquility place that I would go to.
Speaker 3: There's this beautiful place with the bright blue cold water
Speaker 3: and these ice spires and yeah, and it just sits
Speaker 3: there like it's fucking magical and yeah. It became really
Speaker 3: important pieces of my of my life. And it was
Speaker 3: my sanctuary that I could go to in weird in
Speaker 3: these morning sleep times.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And and then there's the spire where I would I
Speaker 3: literally developed my flying abilities in my dream because every
Speaker 3: time I would start lucid dreaming. Of course you want
Speaker 3: to fly every every time, but every single time I'd
Speaker 3: be like, what if this is the time I'm not
Speaker 3: dreaming And I'd jump off this cliff and I splat.
Speaker 3: You know what if I can't Superman's time.
Speaker 2: So I would get.
Speaker 3: Really really scared about it, and like I got a
Speaker 3: first off. It was it was so physically tasking to
Speaker 3: do the swimming thing until you're flying. I'm like, I
Speaker 3: want to fly like Superman, I want to fucking you know,
Speaker 3: like Neo just.
Speaker 1: Takes off exactly.
Speaker 3: So there I would go back to this spire, this
Speaker 3: spire land. It was just a giant stone spire and
Speaker 3: then this big body of water down here, and you
Speaker 3: go all the way up to the spire and there's
Speaker 3: like a little village on top of the spire and
Speaker 3: then a peak, and I'd go, I'd go through this
Speaker 3: little village and then up to the peak and then
Speaker 3: I'd practice my flying so I'd jump off and then
Speaker 3: I would I would when I get down to that water,
Speaker 3: I would do the Superman yeah and get the rocket
Speaker 3: boost and it was literally like a you're you're you're boosting,
Speaker 3: like whoa.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and yeah, there's other places, but those those are
Speaker 3: like the most significant places where I mastered my my
Speaker 3: lucid dreaming flying ability at the spire and then the
Speaker 3: place that I perceived as my old apartment or something.
Speaker 2: And and you could like consistently revisit these places in your.
Speaker 3: Dream consistently consistently. And there's some other places. There's there's
Speaker 3: a waiting room I went to twice and this this
Speaker 3: one is bananas. This is not something I did on purpose.
Speaker 3: It's just I ended up here a couple of times,
Speaker 3: and I'm in a I'm in a small room and
Speaker 3: it's like it's staged strangely, like there's a desk here
Speaker 3: for no reason, and there's a table in a lamp,
Speaker 3: and there's other people in the room and they're all
Speaker 3: different time periods. Wow, whoa other people in the room,
Speaker 3: and everybody's confused. We're all just kind of looking at
Speaker 3: each other. And then things start floating, and then we're
Speaker 3: all just floating and everybody's like, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the buck and I've gone there twice.
Speaker 3: And then another really impactful one was I'm I'm just
Speaker 3: absolutely certain I was.
Speaker 2: I was in a.
Speaker 3: World very similar to ours, and I just floated down
Speaker 3: and I was in a cul de sac. I was
Speaker 3: in a neighborhood at the end of one and floated
Speaker 3: down and and I start looking around, and in this
Speaker 3: particular one, I am an orb. I don't have my body,
Speaker 3: and I'm just cruising looking at stuff and I see
Speaker 3: like I see like kids toys, you know, out in
Speaker 3: the yards, and there's homes and there's always there's just
Speaker 3: something weird about every little weird like the door sizes
Speaker 3: or the size of things was kind of just strange.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking more at the toys and like, these
Speaker 3: are toys for not humans. These are the similar things
Speaker 3: that we have, but like a world like ours, but
Speaker 3: these are not built for people. And then I saw beings.
Speaker 3: Beings came out of the door and they and they
Speaker 3: were kind of human, but the like oval eyes, big
Speaker 3: big oval eyes. Sounds like a cartoon, but you know
Speaker 3: how like real things when you see them.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's what it is, like real.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, just these these really he's really amazing
Speaker 3: lucid dreaming experiences. Places I go back to that were
Speaker 3: so specially I drew some of them. And and then
Speaker 3: later on later on in my life, at a very
Speaker 3: pivotal time in my life, after I'd gone some really
Speaker 3: really experienced some very traumatizing stuff and music industry, after
Speaker 3: already having this very chaotic life, I've been to jail
Speaker 3: three times and some crazy experience, isn't there, especially the
Speaker 3: Tense City prison in Arizona before it got shut down
Speaker 3: for any main punishment. Wild experience. WHOA, And so I
Speaker 3: was at this this focal point in my life. And
Speaker 3: and Eliza. I had met Eliza two years prior to
Speaker 3: this moment, and she really she saved my life. She
Speaker 3: I had locked myself in a apartment for nearly a year,
Speaker 3: I had bed sores on my butt.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, just depression, just like rock Bottom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is super bad. And I and I
Speaker 3: I went, I went to a dark place, like I
Speaker 3: fully dove into this hatred for you know, just some
Speaker 3: classic bad things you experience in the music industry or
Speaker 3: you you know, you spend enough time there, you will Wow.
Speaker 3: And so Eliza was the first person that got me
Speaker 3: out of my apartment. Wow. And uh, and I mean
Speaker 3: she fucking healed me. She she she helped me become
Speaker 3: a human again. And and she introduced me to her
Speaker 3: family and uh, and they all they all changed my
Speaker 3: life as well. And I've learned so much from them.
Speaker 3: But so, like one to two years into our relationship,
Speaker 3: We're at Eliza's family's house and and I'm I'm in
Speaker 3: a I would say I'm in a transitionary period where
Speaker 3: I'm I'm you know, I'm I'm a I kind of
Speaker 3: turned into like I've been in a cave for twenty
Speaker 3: years working with rock people. Ye never seen the light
Speaker 3: of day. Basically raised by my sister, I'm like a
Speaker 3: I'm I'm an animal, and so I'm learning to like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm a human. I'm remembering who I am and and
Speaker 3: I'm I'm.
Speaker 2: Trying.
Speaker 3: I start trying to stop drinking, start trying to get
Speaker 3: my life together. Do my adult things get back on track,
Speaker 3: because man, I went, I went real hatred, real dark
Speaker 3: for a while, and it takes you to terrible places
Speaker 3: or voices. Definitely had demons. My my mom saw me
Speaker 3: one night, uh, basically putting my body through the door.
Speaker 3: I was just smashing the door down and I looked
Speaker 3: at her. I was foaming at the mouth. She said
Speaker 3: my eyes were black, and it was it was just
Speaker 3: because I had made a conscious decision when some of
Speaker 3: this bad stuff happened. And it's you know, my my
Speaker 3: music is so special to me. This, all of this
Speaker 3: is so special to me. The hardcore scene, the growing
Speaker 3: this uh cult following of people are like this fucking
Speaker 3: music is heavy, Like this is such a special thing
Speaker 3: to me. And it got perverted at some point and
Speaker 3: it got and it got kind of you know it
Speaker 3: it music industry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the experience.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure there's probably the situations that it's
Speaker 1: just best if we don't reveal about that.
Speaker 3: Sure, there's yes, we'll talk about it all, you know.
Speaker 3: But but like so, I remember Mattie Mullens. He he
Speaker 3: he talked me through a lot of it, and and
Speaker 3: he one day he's like, he's like, Cam, it's it's
Speaker 3: terrible and everybody feels bad about this. And I know
Speaker 3: this is terrible, but it's your responsibility to to not
Speaker 3: let it blacken your heart and to to be the light.
Speaker 3: And I said, in that moment, I said, fuck that,
Speaker 3: I'm going dark.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: And and like I let demons into me, I totally
Speaker 3: invited it in. I had roommates who like, I was
Speaker 3: hearing voices in my room all the time. I was tap,
Speaker 3: I was hearing I'm seeing music and like radio frequencies
Speaker 3: like I would. It was a crazy time, crazy time,
Speaker 3: lots of voices. And I had a roommate who just
Speaker 3: out of nowhere said one day, hey, Cam, like I
Speaker 3: don't want to alarm you, but like I was, I'm
Speaker 3: I was in your room the other day. I'm literally
Speaker 3: hearing voices in your room.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, So there was this huge transition to
Speaker 3: letting the light back into my heart and accepting, you know,
Speaker 3: things from my past and reflecting on on the the
Speaker 3: really rough stuff that I've experienced and seeing the beauty
Speaker 3: that came from it. And and so I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm stopping drinking and I'm getting my life
Speaker 3: together and I'm getting this really good influence from Eliza
Speaker 3: and her family and and uh uh you know, but
Speaker 3: I'm still being a piece of shit. I'm it takes time,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like it's like a shedding. It's it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a lotus unfolding.
Speaker 3: It's it's layers totally, Yeah, peeling, peeling the layers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And uh so uh, I'm I don't have a license
Speaker 3: because the the last time I got arrested was for
Speaker 3: DUI and it was so traumatizing going into that that
Speaker 3: desert military prison. I just decided I was never gonna
Speaker 3: drive again. So I didn't have a license. I'm driving
Speaker 3: around my girlfriend's car that like, in front of her family.
Speaker 3: They know I don't have a license. I drank heavily
Speaker 3: the night before and then I go early morning, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a drive.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just I'm just being I'm still I'm
Speaker 3: on the right path, but I'm still just in my
Speaker 3: idiot brain. You don't even realize, like you fool you
Speaker 3: like these people, right, you're making it like what were
Speaker 3: you doing? So so I'm driving around and you know,
Speaker 3: no license, and this is like third day in a rows,
Speaker 3: like holiday or Christmas trips or whatever. I think that's
Speaker 3: what it was. And and you know those roads they're
Speaker 3: really really bendy and they're mountainous and and no, I'm
Speaker 3: not drunk, but you know I'm not being I'm not
Speaker 3: You're not alert. I'm not alert, you know, smoking all
Speaker 3: the time. I was drinking the night before, probably a
Speaker 3: little hungover, just being an idiot. And and I drive
Speaker 3: around a bend and there's a car in my lane.
Speaker 2: Mmm.
Speaker 1: And I've experienced that before. But but I didn't drive
Speaker 1: off the cliff.
Speaker 3: I corrected. I corrected around this way. Terrify, I went
Speaker 3: around this way, couldn't correct quick enough. I just went
Speaker 3: right off the right, off the edge of the cliff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And uh, there's nothing scarier.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'd like and I blacked out from the adrenaline,
Speaker 3: but I could still hear and I remember hearing the
Speaker 3: like off the edge like a ramp, literally a ramp.
Speaker 3: And then I was just free floating and then completely
Speaker 3: blacked out. And I woke up and I'm looking out
Speaker 3: the window and nothing makes sense because my car is
Speaker 3: like I'm looking at the ground like the trees had
Speaker 3: caught the car. Here, here's the cliff. The trees are
Speaker 3: like this, and and the car had gotten wedged like
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park, like exactly like dragsic Park said that last night.
Speaker 3: My doors are cramped shut from from the trees, like
Speaker 3: I got wedged. So I'm kicking the door open sideways,
Speaker 3: you know. And and then and then I get out
Speaker 3: of the car and I look up and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: ways down boulders, So I have to climb up these
Speaker 3: boulders back back to the road. And a lady had
Speaker 3: seen she had been coming around the other side, saw
Speaker 3: no other car, of course, but she came around the
Speaker 3: bend just in time to see me come behind the
Speaker 3: mountain and fly right off the edge. And she sees
Speaker 3: me climb up and she's like, freaks the fuck out
Speaker 3: She's like, ah, I thought you were dead. Yeah, could
Speaker 3: you imagine I just told the cops you were dead.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 3: And then the cops came out and and you know,
Speaker 3: all everybody came out that they had to get a
Speaker 3: crane to you know, lift it out. They said, if
Speaker 3: if I had if I had hit the tree like
Speaker 3: a few inches the other the other way, that I
Speaker 3: would have had an engine block in my lap. And
Speaker 3: I didn't have a fucking scratch. The the you know,
Speaker 3: the the paramedics of my blood pressure was a little.
Speaker 1: High, and then the cop was like, breathing was a
Speaker 1: little fast.
Speaker 3: And the cop was like, listen, man, congrats for you know,
Speaker 3: being live. I got a ticket, you bro, you don't
Speaker 3: have a license. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like you can't be driving around.
Speaker 3: You can't be driving without a license, bro. And and
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I'm a piece of shit, you know.
Speaker 3: And uh So there's this there's instantly this feeling of like, yes,
Speaker 3: I got run off the road, but I was just
Speaker 3: just constantly being a piece of ship leading up to that.
Speaker 3: So this all happens, I'm kind of in shock, and
Speaker 3: I had I was right in the middle of doing
Speaker 3: uh flooring for Eliza's family, like I was. I was
Speaker 3: laying down wood floor on their in their downstairs, and
Speaker 3: so I just hop right back into that like nothing happened,
Speaker 3: and you know, Eliza's parents were really wonderful and we
Speaker 3: you know, we figured out the car thing. Everyone's happy.
Speaker 3: I'm alive, obviously, but I'm kind of over here still,
Speaker 3: like I just feel a ton of guilt. Like this.
Speaker 3: It was a big eye opener for me, Like this
Speaker 3: is what happens when you're an idiot, you know, you
Speaker 3: attract idiot things. And so the wild part is somewhere
Speaker 3: in the next few days, I'm implanted with a memory.
Speaker 3: I it all. I like, I just I'm I immediately.
Speaker 3: It's it's connected. The experience wasn't like implanted later or
Speaker 3: maybe it just maybe I just remembered later. But it
Speaker 3: felt very much so like by the way this happened,
Speaker 3: and it was when I blacked out, Yeah, when you
Speaker 3: went out of body, When I went fully fucking out
Speaker 3: of body, I went to a realm that was just
Speaker 3: like my so like when I lucid dream, I have
Speaker 3: my body, okay, yeah, the when I don't have my body,
Speaker 3: I'm an orb I'm just an energy ball and and
Speaker 3: it's similar places, like I feel very much. So it's
Speaker 3: a similar place. It's just that other whatever the ether is,
Speaker 3: you know. And and it's like calm, I I the
Speaker 3: it's a quick memory too, but it happens quickly. But
Speaker 3: so much is going on. I'm I'm I I come
Speaker 3: to just black and then all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm in the mountains and I'm going through the roads
Speaker 3: in the mountains and everything is like like tinted blue.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like it's blue. It's almost like movie Contact,
Speaker 3: you know, do you remember?
Speaker 2: That's crazy? Come on, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I just watched it for the first time a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago.
Speaker 3: The ending of Contact, I'm telling you, is just like that.
Speaker 3: It's kind of and it's blue wild.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about contact later.
Speaker 3: And I'm going through the mountains and I'm like, so
Speaker 3: my brain, I'm just trying to I'm perceiving things the
Speaker 3: way you would as a human experiencing our normal human life.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I must be in the car
Speaker 3: and I look down. I'm like, I don't have any lakes,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm in orb and I started I
Speaker 3: was like, this is like, this is just like in
Speaker 3: Halo when you're creating the worlds and you're just in
Speaker 3: the forge. Yeah. I was like, I'm I'm in Forgeland
Speaker 3: right now. This is this is crazy. And then and
Speaker 3: then I start perceiving, Oh my god, an old friend
Speaker 3: or somebody I haven't talked to in forever is calling me.
Speaker 3: Where's my phone? Like oh my oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: have a body, and I don't have a phone, and
Speaker 3: I'm not in a car and I'm just going down
Speaker 3: the mountains, and but I'm getting a call from somebody
Speaker 3: and I hear this is sounded like this very deep
Speaker 3: Russian language, Russian like with Aboriginal like, and and that
Speaker 3: starts happening then very quickly that that morphs into just clear, calm,
Speaker 3: male English voice and and I'm like and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't believe I'm talking to you.
Speaker 3: It's been so long. And then the voice says, I know, Kim,
Speaker 3: that's how it works. And then and then it's gone.
Speaker 3: And I have this immediately, this to this sense of
Speaker 3: like fuck you, bro, like you can't you can't suck
Speaker 3: me into your realm and tell me that's the way
Speaker 3: it works after I say I haven't oh my god,
Speaker 3: I don't have no idea who you are, and I'm
Speaker 3: so excited to talk to you and we haven't talked
Speaker 3: to or talked in so long, and then you just
Speaker 3: leave me hanging with That's how this works. And and
Speaker 3: it was I when I was listening to Paula, I
Speaker 3: had so many parallels with with his story and in
Speaker 3: his life, and he said, uh, it's the same exact
Speaker 3: thing he talked about one of his experiences, and and
Speaker 3: it was it. It felt like God, it felt godly,
Speaker 3: but there was a sense that it was like just
Speaker 3: a really fucking close special friend that I haven't been
Speaker 3: with in a really long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I mean, these are They're just beyond any doubt.
Speaker 3: These are places I'm going to, whether it's the out
Speaker 3: of body the near death experiences. I've had some overdoses
Speaker 3: by myself that are really difficult, but it was the
Speaker 3: same same realm. And I just look back on all
Speaker 3: these experiences and I'm like, I'm going to the same
Speaker 3: place every single time. Is this the same realm, whether
Speaker 3: it's the lucid dreaming realm or the you know, you
Speaker 3: have a near death it's any any real anything that's
Speaker 3: shocking or either shocking your body or just putting your
Speaker 3: body into a state where you're like your your consciousness
Speaker 3: can be consciousness pulling from your your physical body, and
Speaker 3: I think that can be.
Speaker 1: There's pleasant ways to get there. There's very unpleasure shot trauma,
Speaker 1: but it's real.
Speaker 3: Drugs, it's real meditation, working out, you know, like all
Speaker 3: of these things.
Speaker 2: It's like music music. Oh, I'm it's it's like in
Speaker 2: uh doctor Strange when she like punches his his like
Speaker 2: consciousness out of the Yeah, it's like contact, but then
Speaker 2: he can later do it like at will. It's it's
Speaker 2: like there are shocking, crazy ways that are will force
Speaker 2: you into that state, or there are ways to get
Speaker 2: there willingly. But it's all like the same place. So
Speaker 2: you had like a familiarity you just knew.
Speaker 3: At this point in my life. I'm very like, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm so I it's a it's a it's a it's
Speaker 3: this beautiful place where you you're completely at peace because
Speaker 3: there's you feel none of the things you feel with
Speaker 3: your with your body, like anxiety and and and your
Speaker 3: chemical things, all the all the chemical things that your
Speaker 3: body makes you think you want to do or or
Speaker 3: that makes you feel.
Speaker 1: It's all chemical mind tricks.
Speaker 3: None of those. All those are gone. You're just you're
Speaker 3: just at peace. But I could still I could still
Speaker 3: perceive the sense of like humor and joy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I talk.
Speaker 2: Forever and fuck you're gonna tell me that?
Speaker 1: Okay. You guys know the Hopie, like the Native American tribe. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they have an old legend and it's like that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like an old hope elder would tell the story
Speaker 1: where it's it's back in the in the original world
Speaker 1: before being on Earth, when we're all just spirits of
Speaker 1: light and we're hanging out, and it's like they're observing
Speaker 1: that there are spirits that hop down into the Earth
Speaker 1: world because they want to experience the dream. And it's
Speaker 1: like people are hopping in and then it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: he hasn't come back for a while. Maybe we should
Speaker 1: hop in and get him and hop in, and then
Speaker 1: oh no, they haven't come back for a while, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's like they keep hopping in and hopping in
Speaker 1: and hopping in, and it's like you come to Earth
Speaker 1: and then you forget where you're from and you're just
Speaker 1: having this experience here, but it's like, really you are
Speaker 1: that being up there. That's like, man, I wonder what
Speaker 1: it would be like to hop down into.
Speaker 3: Earth a little bit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like every culture has some iteration of that.
Speaker 2: Broh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that there's a familiarity with the other
Speaker 1: side that like you're really just kind of incarnating here
Speaker 1: for a temporary, tiny, little amount of time. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: millions of lifetimes, maybe it's thousands, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: in the span of everything.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's eternity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but really it's just a spec yeah, compared
Speaker 1: to like the real existence, you know.
Speaker 3: And totally it's deep.
Speaker 1: Your experience is very profound.
Speaker 2: That is shocking.
Speaker 3: WHOA.
Speaker 1: Definitely get the sense that we were always going to
Speaker 1: cross paths.
Speaker 3: And and you know, you guys have already been influencing
Speaker 3: my my decision making and at soapbox uh and uh
Speaker 3: and implementing you know, binormal three D mics.
Speaker 1: And we've been influencing that uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just like the.
Speaker 3: Talk about Monroe Institute, Oh wow, Like you know, we're
Speaker 3: sitting here talking about frequencies leading you into these meditative
Speaker 3: states where you can go out of body, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: makes perfect sense. You know, they've done the studies, they've
Speaker 3: they've they've spent a long time perfecting this, and you're
Speaker 3: you're deeply involved with them. And I immediately took such
Speaker 3: high interest in that, and I and I started researching
Speaker 3: selfagio frequencies and how they relate to also chakras, and
Speaker 3: then also thinking about like mixing. How interesting is it that, like,
Speaker 3: you know your selfagio frequencies, your your chakras. The way
Speaker 3: that everything is laid out is actually how you perceive
Speaker 3: the sound. Your kick drum comes and hits you in
Speaker 3: the balls like it or it hits you right in
Speaker 3: the butt. You know, you feel the kick drum. The
Speaker 3: snare hits you right around here. That's like that two
Speaker 3: three hundred you know, yeah range. The way you perceive
Speaker 3: sound is exactly the way visually that soul, fagio frequencies,
Speaker 3: and chakras are are lined up. And it's almost a
Speaker 3: good tool for learning how to mix your your your
Speaker 3: high your high end stuff is floating around over here
Speaker 3: and your symbols and the drum kit is just happens
Speaker 3: to be set up exactly the way it's trippyt Why
Speaker 3: aren't you down here because they're not supposed to be
Speaker 3: perceived that way. They're supposed to be perceived up here.
Speaker 2: You know, dude, it's I noticed the same thing. And
Speaker 2: I would try like boosting some of those like soulfveggio tomes,
Speaker 2: and they would like resonate and do weird stuff. I
Speaker 2: showed Emily. At one point I recorded a video like
Speaker 2: look at this, Look at what happens when I'm like
Speaker 2: boosting this specific frequency. It would start like spiking like
Speaker 2: crazy and resonating. And then yeah, I noticed the same
Speaker 2: thing with drums. We were working on drums for I
Speaker 2: think it might have been for twice Born, and I'm
Speaker 2: like experimenting with like boosting different frequencies, and I'm like
Speaker 2: it it does hit you, like where it stackers out.
Speaker 2: It's so strange, like you mean, on.
Speaker 1: A physical kit, when you boost us frequencies, it hits
Speaker 1: you in the body.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and like according to where like the chakras
Speaker 2: are even aligned on the body, Like.
Speaker 3: If you open up a signal generator and you you
Speaker 3: you know, you put in three hundred hertz, you can
Speaker 3: dial in a specific blast that you're going to feel
Speaker 3: that frequency hitting you exactly where the shop is.
Speaker 1: Aligned with those chalker's too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that get it now, because each sogo is is
Speaker 2: aligned with any specific chocerate. And yes, you feel it
Speaker 2: so interesting.
Speaker 3: You see all these things and it's like, how how
Speaker 3: can anybody possibly call any of this stuff?
Speaker 2: It's scientific?
Speaker 3: You can experience it literally right now in your room,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: So I mean amazing. So now we're going to weave back.
Speaker 1: So we talked about how when you were growing up
Speaker 1: as a kid and your dad was teaching you about
Speaker 1: like three D imaging in your brain, which now we
Speaker 1: know is just a meditation practice. You're keeping your left
Speaker 1: brain very focused. You didn't know this consciously, but it's
Speaker 1: what's happening. You're keeping your left hemisphere of your brain
Speaker 1: so focused on visualizing this model that the right brain
Speaker 1: is coming alive. So like you've unwittingly been and uh
Speaker 1: putting your brain into a deep meditative state your entire life,
Speaker 1: you know, just naturally, just just like literally unconsciously and anyway,
Speaker 1: So now you have found yourself with an incredible company
Speaker 1: where by some grand design, you find yourself three D
Speaker 1: imaging holograms on yeah.
Speaker 2: You haven't said earlier with your band that you they
Speaker 2: were creating like virtual versions of rightes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah like that. Yeah, how weird of a thing
Speaker 3: to happen. And that was a while ago. And they
Speaker 3: did this virtual Laguna Beach and they're made virtual cam
Speaker 3: and I could virtual cam, played a virtual show.
Speaker 2: And now you're working with Soapbox doing yeah, like an
Speaker 2: advanced version of the same thing, and working with three
Speaker 2: D polygons, and it's like, yeah, your destiny. I've literally.
Speaker 3: Also for years of my life, I was a sculptor
Speaker 3: for a creature shop. Cool, no way, very cool, sculpted
Speaker 3: like U effects prosthetics.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: We have a friend who's a very talented sculptor one
Speaker 2: and a massive fan of you as well. Really yeah,
Speaker 2: he would lose his mind. He Angel.
Speaker 3: What's the name of the band.
Speaker 2: He's in Georgia, isn't he Yeah he does. He works
Speaker 2: for this company called they make this incredible pottery and
Speaker 2: and he is absurdly talented.
Speaker 3: Should totally talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's awesome.
Speaker 3: So but even that, like, yeah, I had a gift
Speaker 3: for sculpting. I'm a high definition sculptor. I love doing
Speaker 3: the anatomically correct detailed sculpts. You know of of monsters,
Speaker 3: So how do you make a monster anatomically correct? You
Speaker 3: have to know muscle structures and stuff. But anyway, so
Speaker 3: even that's the three D land. I'm using my my
Speaker 3: arts for for you know, music and three D stuff.
Speaker 3: And and then fucking hello, I meet Matty Mullens introduces
Speaker 3: me to this guy, dream Beard. He goes, he goes
Speaker 3: by Dream beautiful person. He created the first, you know,
Speaker 3: massively successful Beard oil company, dream Beard Amazing. And he
Speaker 3: got linked up with some old some old buddies, the
Speaker 3: Sellers Sellers brothers Ryan and Kevin, and they had been
Speaker 3: developing this this idea based on based on military tech
Speaker 3: visual tech for creating volumetric holograms, or you use forty
Speaker 3: or a bunch of cameras, writ in our case, we
Speaker 3: have forty eight cameras, twenty four processors in a three
Speaker 3: hundred sixty degree array, and all these angles create a volume.
Speaker 3: It creates a literally a hologram of the subject. So
Speaker 3: Dream gets brought on board and and and then Dream
Speaker 3: just happens to be a huge fan of my production.
Speaker 3: Oh no, And there's like a lot mutually beneficial things
Speaker 3: going on there, I get to just like they asked me.
Speaker 3: After after years of showing my face, Eliza and I
Speaker 3: both you know, kept being as useful as possible because
Speaker 3: obviously the project is just so fucking cool. And a
Speaker 3: few years later they they asked me, how can you
Speaker 3: keep doing exactly what you're doing producing but you also
Speaker 3: work for us full time? And and uh now I
Speaker 3: work like eighty nineties hours a week and it's fucking amazing.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm I'm like, I feel like I'm I'm
Speaker 3: putting my entire set of tools to work.
Speaker 1: Yes, every day thriving.
Speaker 3: It's fulfilling, fucking fulfilled, awesome. And immediately I'm like, I want,
Speaker 3: I want to. You know, they hired me as a
Speaker 3: producer in A and R people Connector and and and producer.
Speaker 3: So we have these artists in or educators, celebrities, you know, demonstration,
Speaker 3: we medis medians, yeah, any sort of entertainment or education exactly,
Speaker 3: wink wink. And so the artist comes in the performer
Speaker 3: and like recently we had Teddy Swims in and he
Speaker 3: did a live rendition of Lose Control with our buddy
Speaker 3: Chris Link on the acoustic and so I got to
Speaker 3: record this live rendition, live acoustic rendition of Lose Control,
Speaker 3: do my thing, produce it, mix it properly to sound
Speaker 3: somewhere somewhere in between in your room with you dry
Speaker 3: and a little bit produced. So I'm getting to tap
Speaker 3: into all these different Like what a what a cool
Speaker 3: world to to just just that in itself, Like it's
Speaker 3: a unique challenge. Yes, yeah, it's a unique challenge. And
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm I'm getting to use so much of
Speaker 3: my my brain and my my you know, talents or whatever.
Speaker 3: And it's a perfect melding of all of these things
Speaker 3: that have transpired over my entire life. I can't even
Speaker 3: believe it. I immediately asked them to train me in
Speaker 3: the holosis so I can start. I want to do
Speaker 3: it all. I want to know how all of this works.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to run the an entire facility,
Speaker 3: you know, just run from station to station and and
Speaker 3: and do the whole thing. So I've pretty much gotten there,
Speaker 3: and and it's uh, it's fucking cool.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to have you guys in and I'm excited possibilities.
Speaker 2: We'll just have to take a trip, man, And just
Speaker 2: like Geek, out and yeah, we got a little taste
Speaker 2: of it last night. It is truly mind below.
Speaker 1: Nick and I showed up to a walk a Flock
Speaker 1: a concert in my kitchen.
Speaker 2: Dude was straight up like performing in the kitchen and shit,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, he's right there.
Speaker 2: He's huge.
Speaker 1: I want to beat the tea pain one and oh
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: We'll show you all the unreleased stuff too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we got to show Alex. But like after
Speaker 1: we've got Alex get to see lesson.
Speaker 3: He brought a headset I do, I do really want
Speaker 3: to say too, like the you know, I was calling
Speaker 3: you guys the Avengers and and it's it's a very
Speaker 3: similar situation with us. I'm like, I'm I'm totally fucking
Speaker 3: honored to be at at work every day at Soapbox
Speaker 3: because these the people on the team, It's like, it's like,
Speaker 3: how the fuck did these people come together? The you know,
Speaker 3: the sellers there, they're successful architects and and and then
Speaker 3: they they happened to also be musicians and one of
Speaker 3: them was producers produced really cool fucking ship and it
Speaker 3: was really obsessed with realism. Where I'm up. I've I've
Speaker 3: always been obsessed with let's make this ship crazy sounding. Yea,
Speaker 3: So he's been he's been reeling me in and teaching me,
Speaker 3: you know, these some of his tricks and and the
Speaker 3: values of of making something hyper realistic like very cool
Speaker 3: and uh Like, we have Jim Barber, who you look
Speaker 3: up Jim Barber. He is a fucking legend Gefen Records legend.
Speaker 3: Uh he he's he dated Courtney Love for five years,
Speaker 3: like right after Kurt wha. He's deeply involved in a
Speaker 3: very epic part of the music industry and dream Beard
Speaker 3: obviously Eliza, you know, the fucking joy of my life.
Speaker 3: Uh so cool marketing, Yeah, dude, there's so many parallels.
Speaker 2: How awesome is that?
Speaker 1: Like my wife does that for our team?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: We we also have one of our aon Oars's Cory
Speaker 3: Richmond and he's he's like a uber famous gallerist from Miami.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what is a galerous gallery stuff?
Speaker 3: Or yeah he was he he he was a gallerist
Speaker 3: for a super duper famous artist. I'm talking. You know.
Speaker 3: They just go from you know, like mansion life and
Speaker 3: like and they would.
Speaker 4: Like super luxury, like high high class, high profile, high
Speaker 4: high profile artists, and and and he would uh I'm
Speaker 4: probably butchering all this, but yeah, he he handled the galleries.
Speaker 3: He would he would manage his galleries very cool and
Speaker 3: managed his life in a lot of ways. From from
Speaker 3: what I hear. He you know, watched his kids and stuff.
Speaker 3: He was galerous plus you know, caretaker of this family.
Speaker 3: Just he's a legend. Uh and uh and and then
Speaker 3: we got John uh bick Noll, the uh one of
Speaker 3: our developers and tech guys, genius level. He's handling all
Speaker 3: of our storage and our server room. And and then
Speaker 3: we have a few people from overseas on our on our.
Speaker 1: Dev team, like uh uh like software developers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just all these magnificent people. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm I feel so out of place. And then and
Speaker 3: then and then even and then coming here too, I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck what am I doing with all these people?
Speaker 3: Like I'm I I told you last night, I'm half retarded.
Speaker 2: You know you obviously belong man, Like that's wild. You
Speaker 2: guys have such an awesome team, Like y'all are the
Speaker 2: Justice League, bro, where are the Avengers? That's sick.
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing, like they're like a team,
Speaker 1: but it's just like a different team, but it's the same.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's the same thing. Yeah, and justly
Speaker 1: my favorite. I love the Avengers too. But I was
Speaker 1: telling you the same thing last night, Bro. We were
Speaker 1: out in the garage and I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: I've always felt like I've had imposture syndrome that I
Speaker 1: was telling Cam last night, Like, there's been some many
Speaker 1: times that I have felt like we're just pretending, like
Speaker 1: you know, we're making a podcast, but like anybody can
Speaker 1: do that. Like we were just like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just no, I feel it too, you know, but I
Speaker 1: feel it too.
Speaker 2: And then you meet people in person that tell you
Speaker 2: how the little thing that you do that you think
Speaker 2: is nothing or whatever impacts their lives and has changed
Speaker 2: their lives and it's real. And then you're like, now
Speaker 2: it's real.
Speaker 3: Whoa, it's very real. You guys are doing I mean,
Speaker 3: arguably arguably the most important ship and fucking humanity. I'm
Speaker 3: serious to very good. But but in actuality, the the
Speaker 3: what attracted me so much to the Bloodsoe story is
Speaker 3: that it's the only it's the only version where it's
Speaker 3: fucking positive, bro, And that's the first like ding ding ding,
Speaker 3: you know, like the UFO stuff. Yeah, and any of
Speaker 3: this world. This is the this is the one that
Speaker 3: this is what makes most sense to me when I
Speaker 3: when I have out of body experiences, always the immense
Speaker 3: peace and and and you've seen orbs, yes, yes, ready
Speaker 3: and and it's it's not there's nothing negative about it.
Speaker 3: In fact, you can't you can't even see anything if
Speaker 3: you're if you're in a negative state, like it's very
Speaker 3: much so you got.
Speaker 1: To be well, you can see something, but you know
Speaker 1: that us it's voices and scary, scary.
Speaker 3: At scary real Yeah, and it's demonic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you are a negative in a you know,
Speaker 1: in a bad space.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been in some bad places and seen
Speaker 2: some scary stuff I've seen like shadows, movement on the
Speaker 2: and like all the ship's real voices.
Speaker 3: To say that one thing is just that is like
Speaker 3: what the fuck? Man? How closed minded and are thinking?
Speaker 2: You know, it's silly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you guys are like, that's what you guys
Speaker 3: are talking about. Is is reality? That's that's that's the
Speaker 3: reality of things.
Speaker 2: Is is.
Speaker 3: Is the positive version. And once you realize that, you
Speaker 3: see that, oh well that's that's the immediate red flag.
Speaker 3: How do I know if something is bullshit, if it's
Speaker 3: if it's being presented me as demonic and this terrible
Speaker 3: thing that I should avoid. I guarantee that's the thing
Speaker 3: that I should spend the most time paying attention to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like my pastor telling me don't do kung fu, Right,
Speaker 1: that's one of the best things you can do the same,
Speaker 1: it's the same parallel.
Speaker 2: It engages your body, keeps you healthy, it helps you meditate,
Speaker 2: clears your mind. It's like it's all these amazing, profoundly
Speaker 2: positive things, but the fear is causing him in that
Speaker 2: case be like no, no, no, no, no no, you
Speaker 2: can't do that or else. You know, this book says
Speaker 2: like you'll go to hell forever.
Speaker 1: It's the same with the like the government narrative like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the phenomenons like you're supposed to be scared of.
Speaker 3: It, right yeah, And and by the way, like the
Speaker 3: what you're trying, what you're supposed to be teaching us
Speaker 3: is what we're connecting with, you know, like why not
Speaker 3: why not tell you know your your peers, the that
Speaker 3: there's easy ways to make these connections uh, and you
Speaker 3: you know whatever, and.
Speaker 2: They'll benefit you and they're positive though, enrich your life.
Speaker 3: Another red flag. It's like, if you're not doing the
Speaker 3: obvious thing to to help lift up the people around you,
Speaker 3: it's a red flag for sure.
Speaker 2: It's true. It's true. Man, it seems so obvious from
Speaker 2: the inside, and then from the outside it's these people
Speaker 2: it's fear and confusion and and so to a certain degree,
Speaker 2: you you almost like, at least I am like, I
Speaker 2: try to have some grace and understand like they're only
Speaker 2: operating out of fear. And then I just wish I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know that they'll have their opportunity to see that
Speaker 2: it's not a scary thing, it's a positive thing, and
Speaker 2: it can enrich your life. And you know, you have grace.
Speaker 3: Who doesn't want to be more spiritually connected to whatever
Speaker 3: fucking higher power you think, whatever, whatever your per of
Speaker 3: things is, something greater than yourself. Who doesn't want to
Speaker 3: be more spiritually connected to something positive and who doesn't
Speaker 3: want to realize that they're capable of out of body
Speaker 3: experiences and connecting to other realms, Like you can just
Speaker 3: do it. You can learn how to I mean, I
Speaker 3: I I tend to think it's everybody. It's it's yeah
Speaker 3: if if if animals, you know, you have you have animals.
Speaker 3: What is it called again, ortog morphogenetic residence. We're animals?
Speaker 3: Like this is an innate thing that obviously an innate
Speaker 3: thing with living beings that that that h is probably
Speaker 3: suppressed for the various reasons.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, absolutely, I think so too.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean you you guys are are making
Speaker 3: people aware of this information. That's a huge fucking deal.
Speaker 3: And I think obviously you're seeing that you've created a
Speaker 3: wave that now you can just rock and watch the
Speaker 3: magic happen. You know, there's overwhelming amount of people finding
Speaker 3: deep interest in this, and you've got people like Dacks
Speaker 3: come in.
Speaker 2: And he was awesome, bonkers.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good guy. It is definitely bonkers, and
Speaker 2: it does feel like a crazy wave, especially for me,
Speaker 2: because for me, I was just like, oh, my friend
Speaker 2: needs help telling his family story. Yeah, I'm in. And
Speaker 2: then it was just like sure, what's next. It's just like, yep,
Speaker 2: whatever's next. I'm taking it one step at a time
Speaker 2: and the whole ride is crazy and bizarre.
Speaker 3: But and then you're watching orbs manifest into bars that
Speaker 3: turn into wings.
Speaker 2: Videos with uh huh yeaheah it is it is nuts,
Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, for me, it was just I
Speaker 2: just want to help my friend tell his story. And
Speaker 2: then two three years later there's people telling me that,
Speaker 2: like something I said on the show is like has
Speaker 2: impacted their lives, and I'm like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: is really important because it's making this thing that most
Speaker 2: people have experienced some iteration of in their life but
Speaker 2: don't know how to describe it or just pass it
Speaker 2: off as something.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a fucking satellite. But I felt so
Speaker 3: great afterwards.
Speaker 1: I don't know why or or or nobody will listen
Speaker 1: to them when they when they try to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, like this is so special to me, and like
Speaker 3: I can't talk to him about a big realization I
Speaker 3: had one of the synchronicities or or you know, psychic moments.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to mention, uh, like overwhelmingly an overwhelming realization,
Speaker 3: just after spending a day with you guys and talking
Speaker 3: about in more in greater details, some of your experiences
Speaker 3: as a as a child, as a as a kid,
Speaker 3: and just how how intense Uh just getting some deeper
Speaker 3: information and spending more time with you. I have realized
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly that all of all of the people that I follow,
Speaker 3: big names, all of these major names in ufology and
Speaker 3: the drone thing, the orb thing, whatever it is, a
Speaker 3: ross coltheart, all of it, Jake Barber, all these people.
Speaker 3: Very it seems very much so that all of this
Speaker 3: information is actually originating from the blood cells. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: seems to be a very clear focal point.
Speaker 1: And that's that was the other thing last night where
Speaker 1: it was like we read each other's minds, where I
Speaker 1: was trying to explain to him, like how we've always
Speaker 1: been ahead of the paradigm and like we'll be saying
Speaker 1: some shit and then like the whole UFO situation will change,
Speaker 1: they'll come out with a new thing. And I was
Speaker 1: like telling him this and then he said that I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, you just read my mind because like
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's all kind of coming from you guys.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean this started in two thousand and seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's been going on for a long time.
Speaker 3: And to see I don't know if I can say it,
Speaker 3: but some of the videos you were showing me yesterday
Speaker 3: like it's Chris in the Zoom meeting with Ross, Jake Barber, fucking.
Speaker 1: Who else was I don't even remember, to be honest,
Speaker 1: And and it's just like, oh that Zoom's not a secret.
Speaker 1: People just had to like pay to watch it. God
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, well still like it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's you that kind of just all these
Speaker 3: new bits that just uh learning more, more and more.
Speaker 3: It's it's just we're more and more over it.
Speaker 2: It's it's so obvious we are the middle of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, that's wild. Yeah, and that's so again.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm totally I'm a fanboy, and I'm I'm honored.
Speaker 1: Nah, dude, you're not a fan boy, You're like you're
Speaker 1: like part of the crew.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we feel the same way about you, man.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a beautiful synergy. I think. I think
Speaker 1: we're all mutual admirers of each other's work, and you know,
Speaker 1: us coming together, Beautiful things will unfold from this. They
Speaker 1: already are and they certainly will continue to do so.
Speaker 1: Real and you know, thank you for coming. I think
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful place to wrap, dude. This is an
Speaker 1: amazing episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for sharing like your experiences,
Speaker 2: and I just want to say, like just just seeing
Speaker 2: who you are as a person now, Like I'm very
Speaker 2: proud of you having come from those dark experiences and
Speaker 2: dark places. A lot of people don't bounce back from that, man,
Speaker 2: yp I've seen it happen. And yeah, I mean lucky.
Speaker 2: But also you put the work in. You cared, You
Speaker 2: cared enough to say you know that one. At one
Speaker 2: point you were like, fuck it, I'm going dark. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well you also had a point where you said fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'm going light. Yes, And that shit is so difficult
Speaker 2: to do. And yeah, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1: But there's a key theme here that could be gleaned
Speaker 1: from his story and from Paul's and from many others
Speaker 1: that even when you choose to go dark, God still says,
Speaker 1: all right, that's enough. Yeah, run your ass off the road,
Speaker 1: fly out a body, and and then like just pulls
Speaker 1: you back. It's like that's enough to change course. It's
Speaker 1: an intervention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I needed I needed my ass whupped a little bit.
Speaker 1: Humbled, got it, but you were humbled. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: and that's a beautiful thing, you know, Like that there
Speaker 1: is a force up there that even when we're like
Speaker 1: choosing to renounce the light and go with the darkness,
Speaker 1: it still cares about you. And it's like kind of
Speaker 1: watching you and being like, all right, now it's time
Speaker 1: to intervene. We got Yeah, he's he's a little too
Speaker 1: in deep. Let's pull him out. Yeah, you know, it's beautiful, dude,
Speaker 1: it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It is beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's awesome. I'm happy
Speaker 2: that you're you seem like you're in such a good place.
Speaker 2: And then a great I'm happy you have so much
Speaker 2: love around you. It's and by the way, I love
Speaker 2: to uh, it's it's so special to.
Speaker 3: Be listening to not knowing and listening to your recordings
Speaker 3: you're you're producing work and we got we all got
Speaker 3: to do something with the band related to with you're project.
Speaker 2: That would be.
Speaker 3: But to be listening to to to your work and
Speaker 3: and like the theme song, this theme song, and I'm like, fuck, man,
Speaker 3: whoever's doing that, they know what they're doing. This is
Speaker 3: fucking sick. And then to meet you and know that
Speaker 3: that you took influence from from me is I love
Speaker 3: those full circle moments and and and I think everybody
Speaker 3: needs to experience more of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is full circle. Here we are
Speaker 2: face to face like it's true man, like you were
Speaker 2: totally the biggest influence for my music production. So thank
Speaker 2: you for that. Yeah, and I appreciate the kind words.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna plan a trip to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's do it, all right, everybody is there?
Speaker 1: Have you like, is there anything that you feel like
Speaker 1: you need to get off your chest? Do you feel
Speaker 1: good where we're at?
Speaker 3: I feel fucking great. I'm I'm excited to keep bothering
Speaker 3: you guys. I'm gonna be here a lot. Yes, lies out.
Speaker 1: Maybe amazing, Yes, yeah, he wants to come for these
Speaker 1: a fest no way, yea for real?
Speaker 2: That would be awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's make it happen. All right, Well, you know
Speaker 1: how we in the show right bye guys?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I have only uh oh you never make it to
Speaker 1: the It's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I skipped through, and I also I listened to
Speaker 3: most of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the very very end when it's like time
Speaker 1: to wrap, we just it's just cheap little.
Speaker 3: You know, how we say bye I'm like, yeah, people
Speaker 3: say bye.
Speaker 2: We literally just say bye guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say we just say bye guys at the
Speaker 1: same time. Okay, yeah, all right, bye guys, guys.
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