WEBVTT 1 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:41.159 Welcome to Bletsoe said, So, guys, as usual, lately, we've 2 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:43.799 been just back to back with some fire guests. Today 3 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:47.759 we have an amazing, just insane guest in the studio today. 4 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:49.640 I know Nick and I are extremely excited for this. 5 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:52.880 Alex just goes with whatever we tell him we're gonna do. 6 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.119 But before we get into that, I want to talk 7 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:59.240 about what's going on in the first weekend of May 8 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.840 and Delevan, Wisconsin. I'm gonna be at the Contact Modalities Expo. 9 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:06.519 My dad's gonna be there, my wife's gonna be there, 10 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.400 my sister. I think Jack might be there. I'm not 11 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.000 one hundred percent on that, but I feel like he's 12 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.879 gonna be there. He's gonna be the keynote speaker speaking 13 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:15.239 of my dad, and it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna 14 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:16.760 be a three day event. On Friday night, we're gonna 15 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.799 have a SkyWatch, Saturday and Sunday. There's gonna be three 16 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:23.840 conference rooms running simultaneously. There's gonna be like thirty to 17 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:28.040 forty different amazing guests with all kinds of backgrounds and 18 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:33.200 specialties in different areas of contact modalities like breath work channeling. 19 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.560 You know, Crystal Bowl meditation, reiki. I mean, if you 20 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.400 can think about it in this space, it's probably gonna 21 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:43.439 be there. There's gonna be like a live DJ cocktail 22 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:46.439 party on Saturday where everybody's hanging out. Sunday there's gonna 23 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.480 be a live panel with my Dad and Jimmy Church 24 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:50.599 where he's gonna be asking him questions in front of 25 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.560 an audience. It's gonna be sick. And just go to 26 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:58.680 contact Modalities Expo dot com to get your tickets. You 27 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:00.480 don't want to miss this. It's only a few weeks. 28 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.799 I hope to see you guys there. So today we 29 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.760 have a very very cool guest before we get into 30 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.919 what we're gonna talk about, though, I actually did bring 31 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:16.159 you a little something, a little It's not much, but 32 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.520 you know, I wanted to give you a little bit 33 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:22.080 of our swags. This is my friend Cameron Mizel in 34 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:27.759 the studio. I like the gifts, man. It's a nice vibe, yea. 35 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:30.879 And he brought us gibbs. 36 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.280 Yes he did. We're gonna get into that. 37 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.960 Hell, yeah, let's go. 38 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.439 There's a few more things in there, just so they 39 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:39.080 don't get. 40 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:40.439 Swag you up a little bit. 41 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:40.719 Yeah. 42 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:42.240 Oh, we had to swag you up a little bit. 43 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:43.199 I'm so about it. 44 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.400 Oh hell yeah, I'm gonna put on pan. 45 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.000 Hell yeah, we got another Pan too coming coming soon. 46 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:58.439 More details on that one later, Omy Society. 47 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.159 I'm mus send I'm gonna send you some other stuff too. 48 00:02:59.199 --> 00:02:59.800 I don't have them in. 49 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:01.879 Per but that's very sick. 50 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.680 Yeah. Oh my wife designed all that stuff, all of it. 51 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.719 Yeah, you guys are Yeah, you guys are the Avengers. 52 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.400 Saying that last night work is phenomenal. 53 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:16.080 This morning he was telling me, he's like, no, for real, 54 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.719 you guys are like the Avengers. No, no, you said. 55 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.919 You said you guys are like the Avengers, but mixed 56 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.520 with like, what's it called the Mystery. I was like 57 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:26.639 the Scooby dostory. 58 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:32.800 Again, Scooby Dooe meets Avengers. I'll take it. I'll take it. 59 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:35.560 Yeah, dude, for real. But we're happy to have you, Cameron. 60 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:37.520 You you are so cool. Nick and I have been 61 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.280 fans of yours for a very long time. I know 62 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.000 you could probably fill in the listener like how deep 63 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.360 it goes with Oh, we've been following his work for 64 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:45.360 a long time. 65 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.800 Yeah, I mean y'all know that like Ryan and I 66 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:50.199 are super into metal music and like, we make metal 67 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:54.479 music whatever. But when we were in high school, I 68 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:58.719 mean probably twenty ten or something, uh yeah, yeah, we 69 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:00.280 found this band called Woe. 70 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.199 Me among others. 71 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.159 I think that was twenty ten. Yes, Numbers sounds about right. 72 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.599 It was Numbers album. Yeah, we found them and they 73 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.520 had this sound that was like nothing that I had 74 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.400 ever heard before. Nothing. It was like completely unique, and 75 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.000 to me, it was like this mile marker in metal 76 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:22.120 music that was like, we have it was an evolution. Yes, yeah, 77 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.839 things are shitt new phase, yes, exactly, a new phase. 78 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:31.040 And then came why does it sound so different? Why 79 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.720 does it sound so new? And then that sent me 80 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:39.040 down the rabbit hole of metal production. I found your name, 81 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.439 and I'm like, oh, okay, that's why it sounds so sick. 82 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:44.959 Started listening to some of the other stuff that you've produced, 83 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.319 and I'm like, oh, it's him. It's him. He's why 84 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.160 it all sounds so sick and so crazy. And to 85 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.360 be honest, I told you this last night. But yeah, 86 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.319 I think that you're kind of responsible for me getting 87 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.120 into metal production. 88 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.759 That's just production in general. 89 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.319 I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, music production in general. 90 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:07.480 I really hadn't done much of it. I've been playing 91 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:09.560 music since I was a little kid, you know, just 92 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:12.279 it just kind of like came naturally to me. But 93 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.600 that was the moment where I was like, oh, I 94 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.959 can record it and compose, like compose it and make 95 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.759 it sound cool and you know, and let other people 96 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.000 hear it and learn all these little techniques. And I 97 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:29.240 would just like I'd listen to shit over and over 98 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.839 and over. How the fuck did he do that? 99 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:32.720 Yeah? 100 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.759 Or like you did this thing? Like there's this thing 101 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:37.279 that is like kind of a calling card, this little 102 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.240 it's like a bell hit or something. What Yes, what 103 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:42.040 the fuck is that? 104 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:46.480 Say? Aluminum baseball bet and uh, probably like a wood 105 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:47.399 clock mixed in. 106 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.879 Or you're shitting me verb verbitt the fuck out, you're 107 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:51.480 shitting me. 108 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.480 Yeah, it's literally an aluminum bat sample, maybe pitched down 109 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:55.000 a little bit. 110 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:57.319 Wow, I know what you're talking about. 111 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.839 You know what I'm talking about. I started to pick it. 112 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.680 Up and like every Woe is Me song on that album, yeah. 113 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.560 Yes, yes, And it was always like like a few 114 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.879 like a couple measures right after a breakdown starts. It 115 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:10.759 was like this cool like accent piece. 116 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:12.720 Yeah, it felt like ye, like. 117 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.120 You get the bass drop, the impact, followed by the 118 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.040 reverse there with the woteen yeah dude, yeah, and then 119 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:20.360 a glitch Yes. 120 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.639 I started. That was the other thing. That was the 121 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.680 first time I had heard like the glitchy stuff. Yeah. 122 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.600 It was an accidental thing that spread like wildfire through 123 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.240 the entire accidental. 124 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:32.879 Yeah. 125 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:38.360 It was actually a lot of accidental things happened doing 126 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.720 these Woe is Me projects, because you know, we had 127 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:42.680 five to you know, seventy eight people. 128 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:44.519 There's a lot in the project. 129 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.639 Everybody trying to you know, put their two cents in 130 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:52.040 and me trying to hear everybody and make everybody feel good. 131 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.480 And yeah, it's like, okay, well how do we how 132 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.959 do we how do we put you know, fifteen breakdowns 133 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:04.319 together and then transition into you know, a single chorus 134 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:09.240 that happens once somehow. So I just started like maybe 135 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.120 I'll just paste this over and over until the next 136 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:12.680 part and like. 137 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.879 Oh fuck, that sounds cool. It's true. 138 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:17.560 Yeah, then you get and. 139 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:21.720 Yeah, I love it, and it's so true, man, Like 140 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:23.800 that's that's like what we find ourselves doing sometimes to 141 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:29.199 like you, this will sound cool. Bompom. I put a 142 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:30.040 melody behind. 143 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:38.399 It duplicate literally literally, yeah, you just pick your pick, 144 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.680 uh what kind of grid and that changes the U 145 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.879 sound of the Yeah. 146 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:45.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. 147 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:45.839 Due. 148 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:47.720 I promise we won't get too into the weeds, but. 149 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:48.600 Oh for sure, for sure. 150 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.240 But we can talk about whatever you want. 151 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.839 You can't imagine how many nights like I'd be at 152 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.920 his house and he had that you had that like 153 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.439 ray to cathode monitor computer, remember, and and you like 154 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.480 had odd dacity and he's like trying to like like 155 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.279 dude that and he's like listen to the song Salt 156 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.040 and Vinegar like we were like deep. 157 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.480 Jeremy used to call it Sultant Vinnie. That was that 158 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.439 was his favorite song vin he called he called it 159 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:17.199 Sultan Vinnie. 160 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.399 I named it that because I named all of my 161 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.600 solo stuff based on what was sitting in front of me. 162 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:26.160 No way, Yeah, five hundred MILLI leaders is just a 163 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.079 bottle of water. You're s very uh yeah, I mean 164 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:34.720 I'm thinking I'm having to fucking think so much all 165 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:39.000 the time, and decision fatigue, constantly working you know with 166 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:42.600 artists and under deadlines, and so anytime I do, you know, 167 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.519 solo stuff, it's pretty wacky. I you know, I try 168 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.720 to stray from any of the things that I've been 169 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.519 I don't say forced to do, but you know, forced 170 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.480 to do, our rules to follow and other people's ideas 171 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.799 to make make sure I you know, am am open 172 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.279 to and uh so, yeah, I want to work on 173 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.960 my own stuff. I just want to do something weird. 174 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:09.759 I kind of do the same thing our our friend 175 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:16.000 Raven is like absurdly naturally gifted at like freestyling. It's 176 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.840 it's ridiculous. And for ten plus years we'll get together, 177 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.360 I'll make a beat on the fly, he'll rap to it, 178 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.240 and then I always name them just the first thing 179 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.080 that I like, I was like, what should we call it? 180 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.159 And Raven goes, I don't know something about of Valley, 181 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.759 and I literally it would name the song some some 182 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.559 about of Valley, like ye're. 183 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:37.080 Sick, you know that's sick. Yeah, that's actually a good 184 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.840 song sick hook too. 185 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:44.879 But but but yeah, it was like it was this 186 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.759 pivotal moment with with metal music where we were like, 187 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.080 oh shit, we're entering a new era and I think 188 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.080 you're largely responsible for a lot of you see those trends. 189 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.440 Still, Oh yeah, you're definitely one of the key figures 190 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:00.679 in our like upbringing into this world that that like 191 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.080 inspired us to, wow, we can do this ourselves totally. 192 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.960 That's a really important part and that's something that's really 193 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:12.759 special to me is is helping talented people understand that, like, 194 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:14.919 you have more talent than a lot of people I know, 195 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.159 like you can, you can totally do this. I'll help 196 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.320 you however however you want, but here's try try these things. 197 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.080 Just go do it like you could totally do it. 198 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:25.200 Yeah, were there people that gave you that the same 199 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:28.799 kind of like that kind of like help or grace 200 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.440 like coming up where they're because you don't see that 201 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.759 all the time, that that mentality that very like selfless giving. 202 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.639 I don't know, I feel like the music industry can 203 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:39.559 be a little cutthroat. 204 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.480 Yeah, music industry is very me gimme, gimme, gimme, and 205 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.600 nobody needs to know about this. Like if a lot 206 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:50.360 of times you people figure out something that is really valuable, 207 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.559 you don't want to tell anybody gay keep it and 208 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.120 that you know, while yeah that makes sense in a 209 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.559 business sense, it's just not the good thing to do 210 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.720 and it doesn't help progress any thing. And you're also 211 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:08.200 losing out on access to future resources in other people, 212 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:10.720 Like I rely on other people so much these days, 213 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:13.559 because you know, there's certain aspects of production I'm just 214 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.600 sick of and and and and I want to focus 215 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.759 on the the stuff I really have fun with. So, 216 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:23.200 you know, I've I've made all these connections with people, 217 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.600 and and there are people that have been really generous too, 218 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.519 and those people have turned into phenoms and now help me, 219 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:34.480 you know, uh, you know, stay with trends and and 220 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.679 they'll they'll tell me about new plugins I got to 221 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:39.759 check out. And the thing about that is like a 222 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.120 lot of the time, like a cool new sound just 223 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:43.919 happens to be one of the presets on a plug in, 224 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.519 and you'll you'll spend months trying to figure out what 225 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.559 the fuck that was, and then you just you end 226 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:51.440 up at the person's house, a producer or writer, and 227 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:52.720 it's like, oh, yeah, it's just this thing. 228 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.879 It's omnisphere, It's a preset on omnisphere. What the hell 229 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.919 that's that's awesome. It's just I think that kind of 230 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:04.639 in art in general, any medium of art. I don't know, 231 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.720 this is just my personal opinion. Maybe it's bullshit, but 232 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:14.600 I feel like it's like gatekeeping and inserting ego and 233 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:18.279 and and being selfish with stuff like it can taint 234 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:21.919 the process and it can even taint the work. 235 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.840 It ruins everything, it really does. It ruins everything. And 236 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:31.200 it might get you quick success. You might get a 237 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.840 quick payoff doing things that way. You might have a 238 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.399 good run, but it's not going to lead to anything 239 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.799 long term. And it's yeah, it's just I mean, it's 240 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:49.120 it feels innately wrong. And and to answer your question 241 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:57.480 about people being generous to me, I had. I was 242 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:01.799 assistant engineer for James Wisner for a moment for a 243 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.279 year or two, and that was like that was my 244 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:12.919 only you know, learning through uh, another producer or or 245 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.720 schooling outside of me. Just like dicking around and ruining 246 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:18.440 a bunch of shit and trying to put it back together. 247 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.200 It's so accurate. Yeah, it's so accurate, like just tweaking 248 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:22.759 with stuff. 249 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.840 And then uh, and then in later years Feldman has 250 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:29.600 been it was was very good to me. James Wizard 251 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:32.600 and Feldman have been phenomenal to me and really taught 252 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:33.639 me some valuable stuff. 253 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.360 Hell yeah, dude, that's awesome. I think that's so important. 254 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:42.480 Collaboration is is so important and it it boosts the magic. 255 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.799 Yeah that we were also talking about that a little bit, 256 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:51.840 how we're all like Antenna's you know, I view the 257 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:54.279 artistic process as like magic. 258 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.320 It's it's yeah, for one hundred percent magic, you're you're 259 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.399 and and it's something really important for for people with 260 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:05.480 you know, people are tapping into this gift easily. Uh, 261 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:10.919 it is magic. It's really special. And and it's you're 262 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:15.240 you're you're creating you're creating value with your mind. Yeah, 263 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:20.639 and and and potentially immense value, not just in business 264 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.519 and money, but you know, to you're changing people's lives. 265 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.759 It's it's super valuable. So that's that's where it can 266 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:30.519 be pretty you know, upsetting, where when things get perverted 267 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.840 and turned into something that's not so special. 268 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:36.200 It's like emotional energy. You're you're like you're affecting people 269 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:37.279 in a de in a soul way. 270 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:40.840 Yeah, it's it's with literal frequencies. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, you're 271 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.480 blasting frequencies that have been designed in a very very 272 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:49.399 specific way through your listener's bodies and they're they're changed 273 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:51.919 by it. Literally, their lives are changed by it. 274 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:53.799 The more we talk about this stuff. I think about 275 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:58.240 it like telepathy, Like you know, like we're just you're 276 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.240 sitting there and then all of a sudden, this this 277 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:04.799 musical note or melody or beat, a rhythm or whatever, 278 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:07.120 a hook, it just comes into your head and you're like, 279 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.159 oh my god, eureka, you know like it It's like, yeah, 280 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.120 we were talking about it last night. It's like it's 281 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.559 a radio and sometimes you're flipping through channels and it's 282 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:16.720 static and then it goes click, you know, when you're 283 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:18.480 on a channel and it's clear. That's kind of how 284 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.480 I think about it. And dude, it's already happened twice 285 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.799 in the last twenty four hours. Where remember how when 286 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:24.840 we were growing up that we would like finish each 287 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.600 other's sentences or like you would say something and it's 288 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:28.759 in my head or vice versa. That's happened to us 289 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.039 twice in the last twenty four hours already, you know. 290 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.639 And I do feel like that there are those of 291 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.799 us who when we're when we're creatives or maybe it's music, 292 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:42.720 maybe it's whatever, that we're maybe tapping into that same frequency. Yeah, 293 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.000 when a space is created for us to be creative together, 294 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.799 it's almost like we're all tuning into that same thing. Yes, oh, 295 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:51.360 you know, like we were in the car today and 296 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:52.799 it was like we said the same thing at the 297 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.759 same time, remember to the to the clerk. And then 298 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.480 last night we were having a conversation and yeah, yeah, 299 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.000 we both said it the same We went to like 300 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.559 buy energy dreams at the gas station and and she 301 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:04.679 was like, do you want two different flavors? And we 302 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.159 both said at the same time, surprise me. He said, 303 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.320 surprise me. I said, surprise us, and I was like, 304 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.000 there we go. Last night we had another instance like that. Dude, 305 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:14.360 Nick and I have been doing that a whole lot. 306 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.360 Oh yeah, yeah, you know well, I mean, yeah, you 307 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.639 you you connect with a person and you spend some 308 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:21.879 time with a person, or just maybe you don't even 309 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:23.399 have to spend time with a person, you just have 310 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.399 just on that frequency. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, people are 311 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.159 on yeah, yeah, you can. Everyone's got some sort of 312 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:35.519 vibration going on, and they're probably slightly slight differences, but 313 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.000 I mean you can feel it. 314 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.399 And it was pretty wild. You talking last night about 315 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.559 the thing that they do in in Nashville. What was it, 316 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:45.919 Nashville rules. 317 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:51.039 Natural rules, just even splits anybody. Oh yeah, back that. Yeah, 318 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:55.799 energy is yeah, the vibe. There are Nashville Rules just 319 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:59.120 basically says that when a song is created, whoever's in 320 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:02.840 that room does there even splits, and that that can 321 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:06.279 be abused and is abused sometimes. But it's also I 322 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:08.960 think it's mostly a really a really it's usually a 323 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.200 really cool thing because people are really pretty hardcore in 324 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:15.720 Nashville too, and and take things very seriously. So when 325 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.400 people do shady shit like that, usually they're kind of 326 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:20.240 ousted out of the crew just with you know, it 327 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:22.519 just happens naturally and people stop talking to them. But 328 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:24.920 there are you know, I've heard lots of stories too 329 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:30.279 of some big dogs who don't really do all that 330 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.200 much in sessions, but they they're well connected. They're a 331 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.759 really good fucking hang. They treat everybody well and they 332 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:41.039 elevate the writing experience, and their names are on big, 333 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:41.640 big songs. 334 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.519 Yeah. Yeah, Rick Rubin, Rick, Rick Rubin. 335 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:47.480 Like in interviews Ultimate Elevator, Yes. 336 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.279 And like interviews and stuff, people like you know, do 337 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.279 you do you know how to use like a switchboard? 338 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:52.559 No? 339 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:54.400 Do you know how to play any instruments? 340 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:54.559 Now? 341 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.839 This guy? Yeah, do you know anything? About music production, 342 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:01.720 He's like, no, not really no, Like they're like, what 343 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:03.759 do you do? He's like, I just know what. 344 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.559 I like and I and people seem to like what 345 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:06.920 I like. 346 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.920 Literally, the way, yeah, his book is mind blowing. The 347 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.440 way that he got started in music was like he 348 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:18.400 went to a hip hop show and he had heard 349 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.640 their album, and then he went and heard the same 350 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:25.599 material live and he was like, this is so much 351 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.720 better live, Like it's infinitely better live. How do we 352 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:34.359 capture that on the record? And like he literally had 353 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.839 he had never done anything with music production or anything whatsoever. 354 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.759 He just felt called to go and talk to them 355 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:42.960 and be like, can I just like be in the 356 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:45.920 studio the next time you guys record and like maybe 357 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.319 I throw in some ideas or something. And they were 358 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.039 like sure whatever, and like he did it. He's been 359 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.440 doing that for decades now. System of a Down. He's 360 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.240 done that with I mean, you, you name it. He's 361 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.680 worked with some of the biggest names in music, and 362 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:01.960 he doesn't like technically know. 363 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:08.960 Yeah, well, and he's taking the time to to craft that, 364 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.039 you know, the craft that experience or or make it 365 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.960 possible for that to happen, because yeah, it is a 366 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.200 lot of a lot of time where you see a 367 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.880 talented band perform a song off their album and and 368 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.599 you're like, this, whatever is happening here is such a 369 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:28.119 better version. It's because they've just played the song, you know, 370 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:33.119 four hundred times in the last six months and and 371 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.200 and they've all gotten so comfortable. It's just there's no 372 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.279 more thinking about it. And then new things start happening, 373 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:43.759 just a couple of little bits of flavor, and it's yeah, 374 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:49.119 it's definitely this cooler experience. Sometimes also there there you 375 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.799 sometimes you get the like the very first take from 376 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.920 a vocalist before they've even really practiced the song. Sometimes 377 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:58.279 that's the one. Yeah, I don't know why that happens, 378 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:04.440 but good example of the the that that like, like, 379 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:08.240 why did this live version sound so much better? Mattie 380 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.039 and me and Kellen would we just finished, uh the 381 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.319 some new Amberlin stuff and it's it was the same 382 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.599 thing like when I heard the new instrumentals that Kellen 383 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.039 had produced with the band. They you can just tell 384 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:27.319 that they've been playing these songs over and over for 385 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.640 so many years and have added in all this new flavor, 386 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:34.519 so you have this really cool, fresh take on these 387 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:36.920 classic classic songs. 388 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:37.480 Yeah. 389 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.920 Matty Mullins is now the vocalist in Amberlin, so he's 390 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.000 been he's been working with them to like record it's 391 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.839 like their classics, but they're re recording with Matt completely 392 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:48.480 re recorded. 393 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:54.119 Yeah, they just they're just teased one or just dropped on. Yeah, 394 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.359 a whole. I don't know if I say. 395 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:01.880 That is wild, it's very sick. 396 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.240 Yeah, shout out Matty Mullen, snick and eye that that 397 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.000 was some more of your work that we were always into. 398 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:07.200 We loved Memphis May. 399 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:08.799 Fire Sleeping with Sirens. 400 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.119 Yeah, but you're not talking about Kellen quinn, right, Keen. 401 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:14.599 Kellen McGregor is oh, I was a player of Memphis 402 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:16.279 May Fire, is a phenomenal producer. 403 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:17.759 Did you produce Sleeping with Cyrus? 404 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:20.160 Yes, Dagny, I didn't. 405 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:25.680 Realize that they're still hot, you feel, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 406 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:27.359 Like oh my god, every now and then, my wife 407 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.119 and I'll be right in the car cooking dinner or whatever, 408 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.599 and we'll just throw on that emo playlist and like 409 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.319 obviously Sleeping with Sirens is like, you know, maybe it's 410 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:37.720 not emo music, but it definitely fits the vibe and 411 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.960 like it's still hits. Everything you made then it still hits. 412 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.880 Yeah, appreciate that it stands. Yeah, it really does it. 413 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:48.400 Does you captured something? 414 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:53.000 Do you look with hands like houses still hits, still hits? 415 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:57.960 I mean everything, yeah, everything. There was that era, and 416 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.759 you know, it's it's a pivotal era for us because 417 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.960 we were like teenagers. Yeah, you know, like senior. I 418 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:04.799 was a senior year a junior, and all this stuff 419 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.039 was coming out. And that's that's why we, you know, 420 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:09.759 started following your work because we started liking all of 421 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:12.960 these similar bands with this kind of like similar vibe. 422 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:14.519 What is this? 423 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.160 Yeah, and then we found out, you know, about you 424 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.359 and and and it just was so crazy that like 425 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:21.240 when you reached out to me a few months ago, 426 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:22.759 you just like left a comment on Instagram. 427 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:28.160 I was like, Nick, I was like, no, I'm telling you. 428 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:32.720 Meanwhile, I'm fanboying, like I'm I'm I'm a literal fanboy 429 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.039 for every mutual guys do, and and I'm commenting just 430 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:37.640 like I love being a part of this. This is 431 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.039 so cool. I never I never. 432 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.599 Expected how did you end up coming across the Was 433 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:43.720 it just Instagram? Was it like the reels and stuff? 434 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:46.480 It was Instagram as far as the podcast goes, and 435 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:48.440 all the content you guys are putting out now, it 436 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:50.759 was Instagram just started popping up. I mean, you know, 437 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:54.279 you know how that works. Yeah, but uh, I have 438 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:58.519 I'm certain my my dad and I like we we 439 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:05.960 have always uh watched UFO things, uh everywhere you know 440 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:11.680 that like Hotel TV, you know, yeah, and we've I 441 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.400 remember the Bloodstone name from some sort of documentary or 442 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.519 some sort of from years back, from years back, years 443 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:24.640 and years back. And then I I I saw your 444 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:27.640 pops on Skinwalker. 445 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:29.640 Oh yeah. 446 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.279 And then I started digging in more and and I 447 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.160 heard some other places too. But then all of a sudden, 448 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.839 the bloodsoe said, so started popping up in my feed 449 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.079 and and just everything I'm seeing, I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, 450 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.319 so yeah. I just start following commenting, and that's awesome, 451 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:49.240 that's awesome. 452 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:51.079 We've had this book for a while now. Obviously, like 453 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.240 a few months ago, we had been hopping on the 454 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.839 phone and like introducing ourselves and like having some chats, 455 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:58.000 and we got this on the calendar. So like a 456 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:00.079 little funny thing that's been going on is like a 457 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.799 lot of times when I'm posting guests lately, he'll comment, 458 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.160 He'll be like, oh, this is so sick. And then 459 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:07.720 I'll comment, I'll be like, come on the show, make 460 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:12.119 it sick. Or there's not like multiple Yeah, there's like 461 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:15.160 multiple iterations of that, like where we've known that it's 462 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.759 been right, but like I just imagine when other people 463 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.000 in the comments are seeing Yeah a minute, literally yeah, 464 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.039 I think that was like two days ago. We did 465 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:27.880 that again. But anyway, Yeah, dude, we're so excited you came. 466 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:32.240 And I think there's like there's an amazing synergy, you know. 467 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:33.839 Yeah, it's so cool. 468 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:35.440 We've been aware of you, you've been aware of us, 469 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:40.680 and it's like the Avengers are just growing growing. It's 470 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:42.920 like when Deadpool was was trying to join the Avengers 471 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.440 or maybe like or Spider Man or something like you know, 472 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.599 becomes an Avenger. But yeah, dude, and I just like, 473 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.440 I'm so amazed by your background with this stuff. I mean, 474 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:57.480 this stuff isn't new to you. 475 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:57.680 No, not at all. 476 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:01.039 Yeah. 477 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.440 Kind of throughout my life, I've I've I've had a 478 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:10.920 couple of experiences and and and then more recently in Arizona, 479 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:16.720 you know, after very much so influenced by y'all's content. 480 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.319 Recently was the first time that I, you know, set 481 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.240 out with what they plan like I wanted to. I 482 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.880 wanted to see if I could connect and see something 483 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.480 versus you know, some experiences I had when I was 484 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:37.960 really young and are still so like it's first off, 485 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.400 it's my young brain. Second off, it's so many years ago. 486 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.480 And just how do you like it's hard to process 487 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:44.799 what I saw when I was a kid. You know, 488 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.400 these giant orb and then a two small orbs in 489 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:53.880 a field. I'm jumping all over the place. Yeah yeah, 490 00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:58.400 but but like, yeah, so more recently, I went out 491 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:01.640 to see my mom and said, and I woke up 492 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:03.799 for three days in a row at four am and 493 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.440 went outside by myself in the dark, and uh. And 494 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:10.079 it was the first time that I set out intentions 495 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:14.160 and and audibly said you know and both you know, 496 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.720 said in my head internally and and also spoke out 497 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.440 loud and I kind of adopted you know, I reject 498 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.720 all evil and I'd love to connect. I'd love to 499 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.680 see you. And I mean just yeah, three three nights 500 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:31.720 in a row, I saw multiple orbs. Uh far really 501 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:37.319 far distance, look like satellites don't move like satellites unless 502 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:42.599 satellites move like animals and flies buzzing around, which you know, 503 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:47.079 who knows, but but yeah, three nights in a row 504 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:50.920 had really cool experiences. And on Earth mornings night. 505 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.559 And it's still dark outs, still dark a four am. 506 00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.759 Yeah, and I would, I would. I'd just be out 507 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:01.279 there with my head up for literally like three hours. 508 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.720 They'll just keep coming and then and then eventually just stop. 509 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.799 But uh, the third night was was the was the 510 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.960 coolest one. It was like the finale. I was literally 511 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:14.240 given a finale. 512 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:15.240 Comes in threes. 513 00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.279 Yeah, I mean that my when I was eight ten 514 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.319 or whatever, the three orbs the and then this, yeah, 515 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.880 the finale was, uh, you know, you know, you're looking up, 516 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.319 so it's as if these three orbs in a triangle 517 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:35.599 are going away from me while spinning, and so they're 518 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.759 spinning outward, and then one of them disappears, and then 519 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.799 the second one disappears, and then the last remaining one 520 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:46.920 stays like like hey, yeah you know, and uh and 521 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.480 starts meandering around and then disappears. 522 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:52.519 And that was the one when you were young, right, 523 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.839 that was okay, okay, yeah, the thing when I was 524 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.839 young was just this very quick but like very bright, 525 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.559 strange and clearly three lights and really confused me because 526 00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:06.359 there was a lamp post. 527 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.200 Right there that was creating like the I thought this. 528 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.839 I was like, wow, there's a really weird lens flare 529 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.519 coming off this light or something. But it is large 530 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:18.279 orb two small. 531 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:20.880 Orbs, and you probably spent your whole bluish. 532 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.000 Bright, like like the kind of bright that's almost like 533 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.119 a search when you see a search light. It's just 534 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:33.079 a really like rays right very blue and and either 535 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:40.160 zipped in or appeared blooped blue or bleed bp bl 536 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.640 uh and and then bleeped out, you know, and and uh. 537 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.319 And that one was you know, I was I was 538 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.359 a kid, and I was kind of having these at 539 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:54.079 the time as I was just going through a weird 540 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:58.200 time and experiencing some uh you know, I was having 541 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.240 some realizations in my kid brain like, man, some of 542 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:06.240 this shit that's going on life is fucked up. And 543 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.279 and it. Yes, I had the experience in a moment 544 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:13.720 of reflection where I was kind of disturbed and then 545 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.640 and it and it it changed me in that moment. 546 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:18.799 It came to you in a and we don't have 547 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:21.279 to go into anything that's personal that's up to you. 548 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:22.799 How how nothing is personal? 549 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.079 Okay, well but but from what you've told us, Like 550 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.200 last night we were talking about this, it came to you, 551 00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.960 and this is on brand with these beings. Yeah, it 552 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.559 came to you in a moment of trauma. It came 553 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.640 to you. You saw it, and maybe consciously you didn't know. 554 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.000 And you're eight or ten or however old you were 555 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.279 a brain, maybe you didn't know that that thing appearing 556 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.000 altered your course. But that's what they do when you're 557 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.039 in these deep places of trauma and suffering and you're 558 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.640 like kind of at rock bottom, so to speak, which 559 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.640 you were with what you were going through, and it 560 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:56.839 came and it's almost like a moment of comfort they 561 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.279 give you that, they give you that sign that like 562 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.680 you know, it is all right, it is okay. You know. 563 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.319 Yeah, I mean, at the very least, it completely veered 564 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.319 my thoughts into a different direction and I didn't think 565 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.200 about that shit again. I was like the Yeah, my 566 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:16.640 weirdo Chinese camp roommate is strange and whatever, and people 567 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:20.279 are bullying me for either not being Chinese enough or 568 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.680 being Chinese, Like yeah, I was like I think I 569 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.480 was like eight, ten maybe, But I was in Chinese camp, 570 00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.640 by the way, which was a wonderful experience. I'm really 571 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.480 happy I did it. I literally learned. I mastered the 572 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:35.480 Chinese yo yo in. 573 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.920 Whoa wait what? Oh? 574 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.519 Yeah, it was like literal Chinese camp man. We learned 575 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:48.400 how to traditional Chinese painting, ink painting, Chinese yoyo diablo. 576 00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:49.759 And it was a summer camp. 577 00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.799 It was a summer camp, and it was I was 578 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:55.559 just kind of I mean, it was all through my 579 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.920 childhood that, you know, being bullied because Asian, you. 580 00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:00.759 Know, right of course. 581 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.640 Yeah, And where did you grow up, by the way, Florida, Florida. 582 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.279 Okah, Okay, I want to expect something like that in Florida, 583 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:10.519 but whatever one I mean, I mean, it happens everywhere. Yeah, 584 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.440 it happens everywhere. But yeah, I would expect to hear 585 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:14.400 but it is. 586 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:15.400 It is what it is. 587 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.519 And you know, I wasn't getting the shit beaten out 588 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.880 of me. Sure it got jumped once, but the you know, 589 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.240 it's normal stuff. But I remember as a kid, I'm 590 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.240 just having the realization that I'm so I came from 591 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.880 public school. Uh and I'm in public school. I'm getting 592 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.920 bullied for being Chinese, and then I go to this 593 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:39.240 Chinese camp and I'm I'm instantly getting bullied for only 594 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.599 being half Chinese, which is so racked. 595 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.599 It is true though, it's what kids do. Unfortunately, the 596 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.240 kids are like, you're different from me. Yeah, well you're wrong. 597 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:50.759 And they don't understand what they're doing either. 598 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.960 And yeah, it haunts. And it's also natural for that 599 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.400 to really really fucking hurt. 600 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.720 It hurts everybody totally, and and and we all know that, 601 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.599 you know, this hurt people, hurt people. So yeah, in actuality, 602 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.880 it's like, you know, you've got to feel bad for 603 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.000 anybody acting out because you know they're they're experiencing something 604 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.119 very painful and they're getting it out of their body 605 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.559 in the wrong all the wrong ways. 606 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.160 But you're the target of unfortunate Yeah, that's what I. 607 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.680 Mean all around. 608 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.000 Yeah, And so so we were with we got paired 609 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:26.079 up with roommates in the dorm and uh, and my 610 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.960 my roommate was just just a total weirdo and uh, 611 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.599 it's just creeped me out and uh, and he was 612 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:35.599 asleep and it was like two am and I'm looking 613 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:40.759 out the window. I'm like, so I fucked at school. 614 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.440 I fucked that camp this is and this kid's a 615 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:50.599 weirdo and I can't sleep and then yeah, and then 616 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:55.440 just the very next day too. So the within two 617 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.799 days being there, I had I had collected two bullies 618 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.720 who were bullying me for not being Chinese enough and 619 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.559 having a a name given by my grandma, a Chinese name, 620 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.440 Hong Kong, which they thought was hilarious. I don't know why. 621 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:09.039 Cool. 622 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.880 Yeah, it's strong, come on, that's cool as fuck. 623 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:14.440 It's very strong. 624 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.440 But they they they would just wait for me outside 625 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:19.119 my door, wait for me to come out, so they 626 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.799 just start pushing me, and uh and uh. And the 627 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.079 very next day I just stood up for myself and 628 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.359 and and uh ended up. Not that this is positive 629 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.640 at all, but I I was. I continued to stand 630 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.839 my ground and stand up for myself. And on picture 631 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.440 that I pushed one of them down the stairs. 632 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:40.920 Oh god, hey, I mean. 633 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.640 Yeah, yeah, so terrible. That not not a good thing, 634 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.759 but like it it gave Yeah, it totally changed my 635 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.640 course of thought. I gained some courage. I'm like, I 636 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.119 don't know what the fuck that was. And I didn't 637 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.599 really think about it ever again, or you know, for 638 00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:00.000 a while, but it was just a thing that happened, 639 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.799 and and I had some newfound confidence and it was 640 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:08.760 more enjoyable experience and and uh and and all throughout life, 641 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.320 you know, I've uh when uh, you know, I'm in 642 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:18.639 spots with low light pollution. I've always seen stuff uh 643 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.079 frequently and with family and friends. But you know, we 644 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:23.559 always do that thing where it's like, oh, look that 645 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.519 satellite right, another satellite. 646 00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:28.199 I'm willing to bet a lot of that was not satellite. 647 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:29.519 So you just didn't know. 648 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.000 Yeah, I know this now, you know. It's very it's 649 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.480 very obvious. And I mean, so all of this is 650 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.639 so obvious and so clear cut and dry. 651 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:39.880 It makes it just now. 652 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:40.679 Dig this much. 653 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.119 Yeah, and it and it and it makes it It's 654 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.880 what a funny situation to have these such obvious things 655 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:54.320 happening and and things that make all of our existence 656 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:59.039 make more sense and and you and with a large 657 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.920 portion of the population, you can't even talk about it. 658 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.920 It's true. True, And that's true because of attachment. I 659 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.000 think that's because people are just so hyper attached to 660 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.760 their beliefs and they cling onto them for dear life. 661 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.519 Also propaganda, yeah, for sure, Oh totally. Yeah, there's you know, 662 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:18.960 very very dark reasons for a lot of things, and 663 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.480 usually money driven money, money power driven things, and also 664 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:27.840 uh people. Something I've learned in the music industry very 665 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:36.599 hard lessons is people are usually very dangerous when they've 666 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:41.440 been caught doing something wrong. That is a pivotal moment 667 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.519 where you're going to find out a lot of that 668 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.760 person is when you confront them with something that they've 669 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.239 really fucked up and now they have the opportunity to 670 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:49.639 It's going to be a lot of work, but you've 671 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:51.840 got to fix this. Do you fix it or not? 672 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.039 Do you hide it under rug? Do you scapegoat? Do 673 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.800 you blame it on somebody else? What are you going 674 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.199 to do in this situation? How much money is that? 675 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.000 What is this? How big is this situation? And and 676 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.280 you know, unfortunately people don't like being wrong and and 677 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.400 just saying they were wrong and then fucking fixing it, 678 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.920 you know. Yeah, So you know, if you have years 679 00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.079 and years and years of secrecy and covering something up, 680 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:23.039 hoarding hoarding uh valuable information, then of course you know, 681 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.239 these these groups or these people are not going to 682 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:28.199 want to admit that. 683 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.760 Yeah, they're like they're like too deep, they're too deep, 684 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.480 they're too invested. Yeah, they've like dug their heels in. 685 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:34.199 Yeah. 686 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.199 Yeah, and it would be it would like blow the 687 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.679 cover off of everything to to dig those heels out 688 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.800 even a little bit. Yeah. They give no ground whatsoever. 689 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.760 Yeah, admit nothing, deny everything straight out. Isn't that the 690 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.800 swat CIA FBI's yeah, the motto. 691 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.760 Yeah, that sounds right, even down to the individual. It's 692 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.000 people are afraid to give any ounce of leeway. And 693 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.840 some of that is like I think like programming, like 694 00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.639 especially people who grew up in in like organized religion. Yes, 695 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:11.480 most organized religion is like all the other ones are wrong. Yes, yes, 696 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.559 not only are they wrong, and that's what they're evil. 697 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.360 And if you go looking at any of the other religions, 698 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.039 it'll invade your mind, it'll poison you, and you'll be 699 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.599 haunted with demons and like. 700 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:26.480 And how upsetting that just just the the nature of 701 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.559 that statement in itself. Everybody else is wrong, like just 702 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.920 on a basic human level. I feel like, without influence, 703 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.119 every human would understand that that is not the right 704 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.079 way to go about that, Like, oh, that's an incorrect 705 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:44.760 thing to say, right just in general, And but but 706 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.679 it's just instantly you latch onto it and you're like 707 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.320 everybody else is wrong and I'm right sick. 708 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.000 You'll get a kick out of this. But when I 709 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:56.159 started doing kung fu back in my early college years, 710 00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.639 I was really still into church because I had just 711 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.719 grown up. And I went and I told my pastor 712 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.400 that I started doing kung fu, and he told me, 713 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.320 he literally told me, he was like this, He was like, 714 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.320 you need to be careful if you do any sort 715 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.079 of those kind of stances where you get into a 716 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.719 trance that's from them, demons will come in you fuck man, 717 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.599 kung fu bro, you know forms, you know. 718 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.079 And the fucked up part is that there there is 719 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:26.000 there's a lot of reality to that statement, where yes, 720 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:29.039 you can get into a trance from these these forms 721 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.840 and stances of a very meditative thing happening. 722 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:32.280 But it's a good thing. 723 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:38.599 And martial arts and also any sort of meditative state 724 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:44.280 or or altered state of mind can be a beautiful 725 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.760 if if the person is beautiful and has the intention 726 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.960 to connect with beautiful things, then any altered state of 727 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.159 mind is a way to do that. 728 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.000 Uh, it's a pathway. 729 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.119 If if you're dealing with a dark piece of shit, 730 00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.800 who's on a dark path. Then you can also use 731 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.440 the states to connect with the dark things to again, 732 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.000 both of these things are real. And now you have 733 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.440 a person who's saying, don't do them martial arts because 734 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.400 you're gonna connect with fucking demons. Bro. 735 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:13.840 Yeah, it messed with my head for a little while 736 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.480 because I had such a love of it. I continue 737 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.400 to go, but I was I knew it wasn't true, 738 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.800 but it was kind of like it hurt my It 739 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.480 hurt to think that he I knew he was it 740 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:24.119 was bullshit. 741 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:25.360 Sure, yeah, you know, but it's. 742 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.320 Still suck to hear like, oh yeah, I'm being judged totally. 743 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.079 You know what I mean, I'm being judged by my superiors. 744 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.960 And well it's like instilling fear in you. Yes, that's 745 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:34.519 the program. 746 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.079 Yes, yeah, same with yoga. He was like yoga gets 747 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.920 demons in here. I was doing yoga, you know, and just. 748 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.679 Just the awareness to be like like, oh okay, so 749 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:48.079 like like versions of people like you exist, Like what 750 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.519 the fuck? Like how do you even navigate? 751 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:52.639 You know? 752 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.800 When when you you realize more and more, how how 753 00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.360 many people are are stuck in a point a view 754 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:07.039 like that? Oh it's yeah, I can't think of the word. Uh, yeah, 755 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.800 it's it's it sucks, frustrating. 756 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.760 Oh, it's disheartening, it's yeah, it's it's very daunting. 757 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.800 Yeah, daunting thought it is. 758 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.639 Because how do you how do you break people free 759 00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:23.320 from that? It can't happen externally either. In most cases, 760 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.960 it's like it has to come from within, right, you 761 00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:27.480 have to want to break out of that. 762 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.159 And that's with with most things too, like uh, my 763 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.519 my pub guy Jay, uh really great close friend. He 764 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.280 he's just even in business in music industry and stuff. 765 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.599 He's always taught me. Like it's like, man, if someone 766 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.519 believes something, don't even just don't waste your time, just 767 00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:52.199 don't even try. Just you have to let people gret 768 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.000 if somebody, if the artist. This is what it's about too, 769 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.400 because it's really frustrating. If the artist doesn't want to 770 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.280 learn about their publishing, you don't need to take it 771 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.280 on yourself to try to teach them. They're just going 772 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:03.840 to have to miss out on that money and it's 773 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:04.400 going to hurt. 774 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:05.440 And that's how they're going to learn. 775 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.840 That's why I learned, you know. Yeah, but you know 776 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.639 I mean and and yeah, in this case, it's such 777 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.519 a beautiful thing. People are missing out. 778 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.440 I have to ask, because transform your life if you 779 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.840 let go, you know for sure. And also, you know, 780 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.000 release a lot of inherent fear that's programmed into our minds. 781 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:27.840 But I do have to ask because you've told me 782 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.199 now multiple times that your mother is a zim Buddhist 783 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:31.840 or was Is she still practicing? 784 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:32.280 Yeah? 785 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.800 Yeah, Now what I'm curious about is like, when you 786 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:36.800 were growing up, did she teach you any sort of 787 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.000 meditation practices? 788 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:45.480 Yes? Yeah, It's so funny the I I've been doing 789 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.559 more and more, you know, self reflecting and and now 790 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:54.599 that I'm I'm kind of past them. I'm certain I'm 791 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.679 past the most chaotic parts of my life and and 792 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.079 I have some stability, and and I have the I 793 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.519 have time and and space in my body to even 794 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.480 think about, you know, reflect on my life and stuff. 795 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:12.320 And it's just so interesting realizing how everything was just 796 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:14.519 laid out to a tea. 797 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.159 Like you can see in the orbits as a child, 798 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:18.360 all of it, all of it. 799 00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:24.679 My dad, my dad, you know, uh, he found it 800 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.880 very important to teach me how to draw three dimensional things. 801 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.280 Always a crystal grow He's a he's a you know 802 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:37.280 physicist essentially a rocket scientist, and he grows man made 803 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:42.960 crystals for UH, laser devices for the military and whoa, 804 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.119 so he he always you know, he's always bringing crystals 805 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.519 home and laser devices is unreleased military ship and and 806 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.760 UH and teaching me how to draw three dimensional things, 807 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.760 you know, starting with a box, you know, and how 808 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.360 to how to make that three dimensional and I'll try 809 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.800 a triangle, how to make you know, give the more 810 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.519 sides and and and then my mom instilling very spiritual practices. 811 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:13.800 And something special that my mom did was she started 812 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.719 taking me to every type of church so that I 813 00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:21.079 could see what it's all about and experience it. 814 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:21.800 That's awesome. 815 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.239 The Orthodox Pentecostal. 816 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:26.000 I was Pentecostal growing up. 817 00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.480 Yeah, I think my my popsle is Lutheran. 818 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.719 I don't know. We went to Anglican and Greek Orthodox. 819 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.440 That was like the two Anglican is like it's like 820 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:41.679 diet Catholicism kind Yeah, it's like you say, like the 821 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.440 you do the creed and you say all the like 822 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:48.760 there's the hymns and you do like the traditional communion 823 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:50.800 where you like have to go and kneel in front 824 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.320 of the thing and the the deacons are wearing the 825 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.880 robes and stuff. But it's hilarious because it's like in 826 00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:00.280 Gray's Creek, North Carolina. So it's like or fall, who 827 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.079 arton have? And how would be by name? It's like, 828 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.360 you know, it's yeah, pretty well. 829 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.119 I can't stop thinking about Scott's staff ever since you 830 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:14.000 said Creed. I completely glazed everything you just said. 831 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:19.519 I was like, I extremelessly love amazing. 832 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.800 Uh Me and a buddy Evan McKeever producer friend, we 833 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:26.079 always say, praise our Lord Scott's stat. 834 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.239 That's so cool though, that she brought you to like 835 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:31.760 every different kind of church. 836 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:33.920 Yeah, a bunch of different types of church. And she 837 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.960 let me make my own decision, and I think my 838 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.440 own decision ended up being like this is this is 839 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.960 all interesting, but I kind of like what we do 840 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.039 at home and what what I see you doing, and 841 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.840 and uh I, I I always felt like it was 842 00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:57.000 it made more sense to look inside, not worshiping yourself. 843 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:01.719 But you can look inside for spiritual connection and you 844 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.000 don't necessarily have to be doing these things that somebody 845 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.280 told you to do to connect. And I think that's 846 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.760 a lot of what I learned from my mom and 847 00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:15.679 she did teach me at a very young age. I've 848 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.880 been I'm asthma boy, and uh, I got asthma when 849 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:22.639 I was you know, started getting asma when I was young. 850 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.079 So she started teaching me these bread breathing techniques. She 851 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:27.599 taught me how to breathe properly very young. So I've 852 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:29.719 been breathing from my dantiane for you know, since I 853 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.320 was a baby. Breathing from your your dantean is is 854 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:39.000 your your uh, It's where like your life force comes from. 855 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:44.400 It's a It's also associated associated with a chakra, I think. Yeah, 856 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:45.920 the sacred chaka is the dantean. 857 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.360 That's like the Chinese aspect of the sacral exactly is 858 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:50.719 where dantean. I've heard that before. 859 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.920 It's where it comes from. Okay, all all your energy 860 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.920 and your body comes your cheek comes from your dantiane 861 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.360 and and that's where you know, you see a lot of. 862 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.679 This the lotus post. Yeah, I sing your energy from 863 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:03.920 I'm with. 864 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.199 It dantian And even in breathing, you you breathe into 865 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.800 your dantian and then let it up into the top 866 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.880 of your lungs, breathing in here and then push it 867 00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:14.519 up to your lung. 868 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:15.920 So you learn from a young age. 869 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.559 Yeah, yeah, totally, because she she was just trying to 870 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.679 get me to you know, breathe through asthma attacks. And 871 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.119 and also when I'm amazing, I was fucking you know, 872 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:31.000 adhd as fucking and h wild, can't stop moving, so 873 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.599 she would try to get me to calm down with 874 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.760 breathing techniques. And also I was her guinea pig through 875 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:37.639 acupunctures school. 876 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.800 And it sounds like an amazing upbringing. 877 00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.639 Truly an amazing upbringing. She she you know, had omani 878 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.159 podmeome uh throughout the house a lot. 879 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:48.239 Bro. 880 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.000 That is so like profound to me right now. 881 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.280 Yeah. And and I of course, you know, like as 882 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:57.679 most of us do as piece of ship kids. You know, 883 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.320 I was just like, whatever, this is cool. You know, 884 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.199 it's interesting. I don't se anybody else, you know. 885 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:04.559 He reminded me of two things right now, because I'm 886 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.119 a big anime nerd bro, and I relate to like 887 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.760 I feel like it's gonna sound so cheesy, but I'm 888 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.800 being dead serious, bro. Like my entire life, a part 889 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:18.920 of a core facet of my personality has been shaped 890 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.840 by Eastern arts. And like I've talked to people before 891 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.199 that have told me they're like, I feel like you 892 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.400 were a monk at a past life, and I'm like, oh, probably, dude, 893 00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:29.199 but like I I relate, so like, dude, come on, 894 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:30.760 I mean we got to look, you know, the only 895 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.239 thing and we're into that. But like anyway, So there's 896 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.239 two anime that come to mind that you're reminded me of, 897 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:37.280 and one is Demon Slayer. 898 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.480 Have you seen it's yeh yeah, where. 899 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:39.920 They do the breathing. 900 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.119 It's very cool. You should check it out for that alone, 901 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.000 just just like how they like focus on their uh 902 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.480 concentrated breathing or whatever like gives them strength. But then 903 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.480 another one is Donna On, which is a recent one 904 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:53.719 that just started coming out, and it's. 905 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.199 FA's it's hyped's so crazy. It's on the nose of 906 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.119 this show. It's like this anime was made for this show. 907 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:05.639 Bro. They even talk about Skinwalker, like we've been on Skinwalker. 908 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.920 Oh ship, Yeah, they talk about Yeah, like the dude 909 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:11.360 the boy is like a UFO nerd and he has 910 00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.480 it just like push her glasses up and he's like 911 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.920 there's the Skinwalker ranch and there's this colonel that talked 912 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:17.599 about this thing in America and they talk about UF 913 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.679 he's obsessed with you. And then there's a girl. Respond 914 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:25.159 there's a girl whose mother was like, uh, like a 915 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.800 Buddhist shaman and a psychic. So the girl grows up 916 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.880 and her grandmother's teaching her like cheese seals and and 917 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.840 it like it goes into when she's a child and 918 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.440 she's like this shit is so lame, and then when 919 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.719 she's older, she's like, you know, actually, this ship's real 920 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:42.320 reminded me of that, Like, yeah, the old monipodme home, 921 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.320 which is so profound because I've been like really into 922 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.519 that in the last year. And as a kid, you're 923 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.320 probably like, ah, whatever, it's. 924 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.599 Like I got this tattoo because it's like I've seen 925 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.559 that all over the place in my house and and 926 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.639 I like the message, Yeah sick. 927 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.400 But then you think on it later, You think on 928 00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.079 it later, and it's like, really profound. 929 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.760 I stamped myself with something very profound and it probably 930 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.400 changed my course a little bit. Do and stuff like that. 931 00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.840 And you put a sacred seal on yourself, yep, and uh. 932 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.000 And yeah, looking back at all of this, I just 933 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.519 realized more and more every single day when I reflect, 934 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.559 like all these all these little things directed me exactly 935 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.760 where I am right now. And yeah, yeah, it's pretty well. 936 00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.719 It's really cool. How like almost every what about the 937 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.800 music thing? Did that come from either of your parents? 938 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.679 Yeah, my dad is a master blues guitar player and 939 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:42.880 uh and he uh, basically like he he forced me 940 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:44.599 to start playing bass to ensure that he had a 941 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:45.440 jam buddy. 942 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.800 No, that's amazing, that's goals. 943 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:49.920 My mom put me in piano and then my dad 944 00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.599 was like, learn some basslines. 945 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:53.800 So we can jam. That's uh. 946 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.639 And yeah, he would make me jam at least a 947 00:49:58.119 --> 00:49:59.440 couple few times a week. 948 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:07.280 And that's awesome. Blues too. Of all things, how d 949 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:08.000 end up in metal? 950 00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:17.719 So because it's sick, yeah, short, straight up, it's uh. 951 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:23.639 We talked about this like a sick like break down, 952 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:28.639 a sick heavy riff. There's nothing like it makes people 953 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.519 react to it the same way like a hard ass trap. 954 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.480 Beat does that's it, dude? 955 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:37.519 Yeah, And and it's the same feeling, it's the same, yes, 956 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:41.599 and the stank face yeah yeah, but the same with 957 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.920 funk too for me for sure, the same. 958 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.400 Stank face punk for sure. Yeah, there's there's lots of Yeah, 959 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.119 so there's these styles of music that make you feel 960 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:51.400 that way. 961 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:52.199 It's just rhythm bro. 962 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:56.320 So I was, I was super band geek through high school. 963 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.360 I was in jazz band, I was in I was 964 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:05.519 to show choir, saphonic orchestra, marching band, the whole nine 965 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:11.239 yards chamber choir. And where am I going with that? 966 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.239 Spaced out? It's my ston or brain. 967 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:16.000 Progression of metal. 968 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.480 So so I went through these weird phases like I was. 969 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:25.079 My first obsession was this band called space Hog space Hog. 970 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:27.480 I haven't I haven't cranked that one. 971 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:30.599 You haven't cranked your space Hog? 972 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:31.800 No, I haven't serious. 973 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.440 I can't remember the name of the song. But from 974 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:37.119 there I got into uh Ska. 975 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.480 Like I had a really interesting that was that was 976 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.000 big at a certain time. It was just blowing up 977 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.800 iby and and. 978 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.280 And then that kind of morphed more into like the 979 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:51.079 heavier versions. It's a little bit of punk and and 980 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.119 Smarauanchi stuff and like op ibby so, like you listen 981 00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:58.159 back to those albums, you're like, these guys are recording 982 00:51:58.280 --> 00:51:59.559 badly in a garage. 983 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.400 This is so bad. I love it. 984 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.880 Like that was this working, that gritty. 985 00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.079 Stuff that was the vibe. It's sick sometimes though. 986 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:13.039 And and then I think in sophomore you're sometime in 987 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.239 high school. I think it was right around when I 988 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.639 got my license. Just a buddy showed me. 989 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:22.960 RJ. 990 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.559 Palumbo. He was in the show choir band with me, 991 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.920 and he's like, hey, check out to seven Dust. Oh yes, 992 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.840 And they showed me stained and stuff. Oh legend, and 993 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.960 and I just yeah, it was that, like, you know, 994 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:41.159 like seven Dust. It's the closest thing to a breakdown 995 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.519 I can think of before breakdowns were a thing, you know. 996 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:50.239 And yeah, and and they they do the I kind 997 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.239 of I did an iteration of what they do with 998 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.800 the whipping. Really they do that in one of their songs. 999 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.840 Oh so you heard that and subconsciously you were like. 1000 00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.480 Let's make it crazier. Yeah, sounds metal. 1001 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.360 That probably a bat Let me find a bat noise? 1002 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:11.320 Uh So that kinda the I mean, I did get 1003 00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:17.159 into rock stuff in high school, the hard rock stuff, 1004 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.800 and then then I ended up in college. I was 1005 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:26.280 in a pop rock band or like all band called 1006 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.760 Last Winter, and we had we had a lot of success, 1007 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.119 and we were on MTV and Laguna Beach and nice. 1008 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.719 Yeah that we did like a. We they made like 1009 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:40.599 virtual versions of ourselves for Virtual Laguna Beach. We played virtual. 1010 00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:42.360 Shows and that's a little on the nose. 1011 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:46.119 Yeah. We were on My Super Sweet sixteen with Teana Taylor. 1012 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:51.639 No what did you play saying, oh, hell yeah, a 1013 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:57.719 lot of pressure? You played yourself? Yes, yes. And we 1014 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.039 started doing some tours and and I quickly realized, like 1015 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:07.119 this sucks, like this, the press, the I I like, 1016 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.360 I I just bow down to to when I meet 1017 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:15.159 those like born frontmen or front of people. 1018 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:15.639 Yeah. 1019 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.840 Uh, I'm so impressed when people just have that thing 1020 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:22.119 where they can command a crowd. They have there's not 1021 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.119 a where they literally come to life on stage, like 1022 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:27.599 the pressure and all and all of that energy. They 1023 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.280 that's when they when they feel most at peace. And I, 1024 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:34.440 on the other hand, am like this is terror. This 1025 00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.880 is pure fucking terror. I black out the entire time 1026 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:39.519 on stage. Can't even remember what happened. 1027 00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:40.119 You sounded grade. 1028 00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:41.960 I don't fucking where am I? You know? 1029 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.039 I'm like that too, man. I just I just officiated 1030 00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.000 his wedding back in September, and I swear I blacked 1031 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:49.280 out and. 1032 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.079 At the end I was like his wedding and it's 1033 00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.920 same thing, blacked out, Yeah, let me get through this ship. 1034 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:02.239 Yeah I hope I did okay, so like. 1035 00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:06.679 So so so yeah I did that. And then the 1036 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.119 production thing started getting more and more attractive because I 1037 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.880 was producing my own band stuff and kind of learning 1038 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:17.079 that way because we're like one person was like, well, 1039 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.159 I guess we should, you know, record some of this music. 1040 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.639 It's pretty sick and and uh, you know, before we 1041 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.480 had some success and and we contacted like one producer 1042 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:29.199 and we're like, oh man, that costs a lot of 1043 00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:32.920 money not doing that. So I was like, fuck, I 1044 00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.360 I think I can learn. You know, we all pitched 1045 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:39.239 in for a digit O one. It's like seven hundred 1046 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:43.760 dollars and and uh and I just started learning and 1047 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:49.440 making these with like no no experience or learning whatsoever. 1048 00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:50.960 I'm doing this all by my ear. So I'm doing 1049 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.079 a lot of things completely backward and wrong. I'm just 1050 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.760 it's it's what I'm interpreting from you know, this rock 1051 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:01.000 music or music I'm influenced by a trend engineer. And 1052 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:03.039 then I'm trying to recreate this in my own way. 1053 00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:08.000 And so I developed a lot with last winter producing 1054 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.719 our own stuff. And then I decided I don't want 1055 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:12.960 to do this touring thing anymore. This is too much pressure, 1056 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.920 this producing thing. Because all all my friends' bands were 1057 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.639 starting to record with me, and they heard Last Winter 1058 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.280 stuff we did well, gained attention that way, and and 1059 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.159 a lot of my friends started bringing in their heavy 1060 00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.599 things at heavier and heavier metal stuff, and I just 1061 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.960 started thinking, like, like, I realize now, I'm I was just, 1062 00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:41.239 with no prior learning or knowledge, trying to emulate not 1063 00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:44.559 only what the sounds I was hearing, but subconsciously, I 1064 00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:47.039 think I was emulating what the music made me feel. 1065 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.000 Yeah, dude, yeah, so I hear this. 1066 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.280 You know, these recordings even like like seven does some 1067 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:56.199 of the older school stuff. I'm like, man, this makes 1068 00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:59.519 me feel like like amp the fuck up. And you know, 1069 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.079 like the tr that beat, but why does it sound dinky? 1070 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.000 You know, it sound kind of you know, sorry, kind 1071 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:06.760 of lame. You know. Yeah, It's like, why does the 1072 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:09.440 snare sound like it's from the fucking forties? What's going 1073 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:09.840 on here? 1074 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.639 You know? And and so juice this up. 1075 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.559 Let's blast ten dbs of one hundred and eighty K 1076 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:17.679 and see what happens. 1077 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:18.000 Yeah. 1078 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.719 I love that about your production, man, because like, especially 1079 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.440 back then, it's it's cinematic, it's it's I feel like 1080 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:29.719 it was the carving into the metal scene with that 1081 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:34.519 like that high production feel, because back then it was 1082 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.440 all like, bro, you have Yeah, it's gotta be wrang, 1083 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.039 it's got to be low fig It's like. And then 1084 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.360 a lot of the stuff that that you started putting out, 1085 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.079 it was like, oh my god, there's all the synth 1086 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:45.960 and they're singing, and you. 1087 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:47.920 Know, like it just changed every orchestra. 1088 00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:48.880 Yeah, the orchestra. 1089 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:53.840 I've always obsessed with or with orchestral things, so that 1090 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:58.840 just started happening naturally. Is it is basically just like okay, 1091 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.039 but more, you know, okay, more is more like how 1092 00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:02.960 do we make it heavier? 1093 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:05.440 Guess more of that thing? You know? 1094 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.119 Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it's true. It was just like 1095 00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:09.880 its own thing. 1096 00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:11.719 You're like a pioneer in that regard. 1097 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:12.159 For sure. 1098 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:13.440 You are a pioneer in that regard. 1099 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:14.960 Yea, definitely. 1100 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:16.039 I'm just speaking facts. 1101 00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:18.079 I'll never forget the first time I heard organ in 1102 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:22.360 a breakdown and what's the. 1103 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:28.039 Parcord? Yeah, I enterre. A song on the album starts 1104 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:31.079 as an organ and then it leads into I was 1105 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:33.400 like you dude, because heller high water. 1106 00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:38.199 See the first The thing about that is that this 1107 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:41.440 was the first time I realized like because the mentality 1108 00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.920 was very much it's gotta be raw. You got to 1109 00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.920 stick a shitty mic on a cab, you gotta like 1110 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:49.079 use whatever mics you can't, but it all has to 1111 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:51.159 be real and it has to be raw, and it 1112 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.280 doesn't matter if it sounds like ship. Yeah, it has 1113 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.519 to be real and raw. And then your ship was 1114 00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:58.880 the first time I heard where it's like, this is 1115 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:03.079 the we're priority tizing the sound above all, the experience 1116 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:04.320 above all. 1117 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:10.119 Nothing else mattersh lyrics you know a lot of trash lyrics, and. 1118 00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.679 I mean the old stuff. Yeah, it's like as long 1119 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:19.320 as it sounds fucking sweet, Like, who cares about anything else. 1120 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.239 If you want to see real live music, go to 1121 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:23.880 a show, well that right. 1122 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.599 The The other thing was like if you if you 1123 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.920 stand next to a rock drummer on his drums that snare, 1124 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:35.280 when he hits that snare, you feel it hit you 1125 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.719 in the gut. And then you listen to a recording 1126 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.400 and you're like, why the fuck isn't it hitting me 1127 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.280 in the gut? Is it sounds like a piece of paper. 1128 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:46.000 So you know that you you just you look at 1129 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:47.519 the wave for him. You look at what's happening in 1130 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.360 a you know, spectral analyzer, and you can see that 1131 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:55.039 every instrument or every snare there's a resonant frequency. Yes, spike, 1132 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:58.280 that's the resonant frequency of the snare. So why not boost? 1133 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.000 People will kill that. 1134 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.480 It's weird. It's weird, and that's it. 1135 01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:05.079 Snares the most important part of the kid. 1136 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.400 It's because of this obsession with trans making things transparent. 1137 01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:12.280 Like the a pro sound is to make your your 1138 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:17.199 make your your your color transparent, make your compression transparent 1139 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.960 EQ so that things feel transparent. But you can't do 1140 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.480 that with drums. You you need to get knocked out 1141 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.719 by the drums these days hit you. Yeah, yeah, So 1142 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.480 boost those things and and I do that a lot 1143 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.000 with like people people watch me boost like uh, like 1144 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:39.719 like eight k of of of three thousand herts and 1145 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:41.920 a guitar like the nastiest frequency of. 1146 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:47.599 Yes, yes, it gets that twang, it gets that crazy 1147 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:48.760 gnarly twang on. 1148 01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.639 It, and uh, and you know it's not for everybody, however, Uh, 1149 01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:57.679 the entire music industry has seemed to adopt some of 1150 01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:01.320 these sounds into not only rock country now is using 1151 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.360 the tanky drums now and really oh yeah, and uh 1152 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.840 you hear it and pop a lot. Yeah, it really 1153 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.239 did it. But really what happened was and I see 1154 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:14.280 it all the time still like some of the older 1155 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.400 school guys, which by the way, I think it's just 1156 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.159 two different genres of music. And I love old school, 1157 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.559 like the old school sound of rock and the thrashiness 1158 01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:25.199 and the raunchiness. Sure, but I see it a lot 1159 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.039 where like old school guys, I want to say, a person, 1160 01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:35.039 you know, they're the stuff they're gem and stuff with 1161 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.280 with you know some of these you know, newer bands 1162 01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:45.480 with the more modern you know, Chaino Sturges sound and uh. 1163 01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.159 And it's another name that was pivotal first growing up. 1164 01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:50.119 We never don't know him. 1165 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:51.880 Yeah, Sturge is great. 1166 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:54.360 Stuff. 1167 01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:58.760 Yeah, it was, yeah, very very influential. I think it 1168 01:01:58.880 --> 01:01:59.639 was kind of I. 1169 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.880 Think you guys in that era were like these Titans 1170 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.239 and this and this totally that we're just pushing. 1171 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.400 We're pretty much the only ones who could give you 1172 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:09.800 the sound that that sound. 1173 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.880 Yeah, it was fully the two of y'all. Yeah, absolutely, 1174 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.440 I watched every video on YouTube I possibly could. 1175 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.599 And it's really it's really interesting too, because our sounds 1176 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.400 are very different. They are, I would I would say 1177 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.360 Joe's probably more consistent with his sound. I was a 1178 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.599 little bit all over the place, but like the the 1179 01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.320 a similar thing is happening. It's like, why isn't angry 1180 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:36.599 music supposed to fucking punch you in the face? You know? 1181 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:36.920 Yes? 1182 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:41.320 And the cinematic in the cinematic vibe, big, big, larger 1183 01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:43.719 than life. Yeah, put all the things more and more. 1184 01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:51.719 Yes, absolutely, Stone of Brain. That that that Prada album 1185 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.039 Roots Above, Branches Below, that was one of the first 1186 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:57.440 things I heard with orchestral stuff in it too. Yeah, 1187 01:02:57.639 --> 01:02:59.840 And it was right around the same time as like 1188 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.679 Numbers was coming out. Was like, what is happening? I 1189 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:06.119 just like felt the shift happen. Yeah, Oh you were 1190 01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.320 talking about like some older guys playing alongside the modern guys. 1191 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:13.880 Oh yeah. So so it's I mean, it's obvious you 1192 01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:18.639 see the way a style of sound influences somebody in 1193 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:21.000 real life. So you have this guy jamming some of 1194 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:22.920 his new stuff and it's done in the older style, 1195 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.320 and then this No Name band with this newer recording 1196 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:29.840 jams their stuff and everybody in the room all of 1197 01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:34.280 a sudden, you know, and and you can literally hear 1198 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:38.760 the from the from the you know, the guy with 1199 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.079 the other recording. So I think it's just there's no 1200 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:49.159 wrong or right. It's just one is definitely more angry 1201 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:51.239 and does does a different thing. 1202 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:58.360 It captures the the intention. The intention of like metal 1203 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.199 music is to be in emotional. It is like a 1204 01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:06.559 high fucking emotion and yeah, I think something that you 1205 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.039 said to me last night was like that kind of 1206 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.280 music is the hardest thing to do. Yeah, And I 1207 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.039 think it's because of that, because you're not just trying 1208 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.440 to capture a good sound. You're trying to capture that 1209 01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.039 fucking feeling yeah yeah, and that emotion, and you're trying 1210 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:21.119 to elicit. 1211 01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.360 So many elements to make it to make it sound 1212 01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.880 the way it's supposed to. There's h B jillion things 1213 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.559 going on at once, and when you think you're done 1214 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.480 with the track, there's still more post production to do. 1215 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:37.920 Those What Was Me albums, it took me like forty 1216 01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:42.039 five to fifty days with band in studio, then they leave, 1217 01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:44.519 and then I spend another two to three months, you know, 1218 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:46.639 nerding the fuck out over this? 1219 01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.199 Are you working on just that in that time? 1220 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.360 No, I'm losing my mind with another band in and 1221 01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.920 coming in early, not sleeping, going on benders, like working 1222 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.119 on shit for four days straight, and some of that, 1223 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:04.159 some of that psychosis probably made some of this. 1224 01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:11.199 You know what that that that phenomenon brings me to another. 1225 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.159 There's two more things I feel like we have to 1226 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.840 talk about before we wrap this today, So if y'all 1227 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.519 don't mind, I want, of course lay up some other questions. 1228 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:21.360 So I think two things that we need to talk 1229 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.719 about before this raps cam is we got to talk 1230 01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:25.800 about when you started going out of body? Yeah, because 1231 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.079 we haven't even mentioned that yet, sure have you? Yeah, 1232 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.559 he's wanted his whole life what Yes, That's why I 1233 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.880 softballed the question earlier about like did your mom teach 1234 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.760 you meditation when you were younger? Because I wanted to 1235 01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:38.679 get to And then the other thing is we have 1236 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:39.480 to talk soapbox. 1237 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.039 Yes, Oh my gosh, yes, yes, So let's. 1238 01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.400 Let's go into the the the out of body thing. 1239 01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:47.719 So how old were you when you started spontaneously going 1240 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:48.199 out of body? 1241 01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:51.000 I wouldn't call it spontaneous? 1242 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:51.840 Uh? 1243 01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:57.480 And and it was even though it's the same a 1244 01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:02.440 similar place, if not the same place you're going to. Uh, 1245 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:07.039 it's uh, it was a dream thing, it was. It 1246 01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:13.159 was very much so a lucid dreaming thing. And hm 1247 01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:16.239 hm so so I grew up with without the internet. 1248 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:21.079 I also, my parents are fucking amazing people and they're 1249 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:27.159 they're genius. Uh you know, Unfortunately life is is very difficult. 1250 01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:32.320 My my mom's severely traumatized from her childhood growing up 1251 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:38.880 in coastal Taiwan village just after the Japanese invasion. Her parents, 1252 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.559 my grandparents fought the Japanese in the Japanese invasion. That 1253 01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.559 was horrific. Obviously horrific stories. 1254 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.519 They really like just decimated villages and yeah, yeah had 1255 01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:51.599 the country like completely under controlled during the war. 1256 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:55.400 Yeah, Like my my grandma just like without flinching, tells 1257 01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:57.440 these stories. Yeah, you know it was I was dragging 1258 01:06:57.519 --> 01:06:59.679 my my friend for what felt like myles and I 1259 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:00.199 looked back it. 1260 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:01.000 Was just half her body. 1261 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:04.199 That's horrible. 1262 01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:06.480 Yeah. So so there's that, you know, that's past that 1263 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.360 my mom experiences. Uh you know, was was in a 1264 01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:11.920 lot of that or post you know. 1265 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.000 And so so my. 1266 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:22.800 A lot of my life has been fucking chaos, lots 1267 01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:30.559 of violence, extreme violence. Uh and and I've just kind 1268 01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.320 of witnessed a lot of things that probably shouldn't have 1269 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:38.159 some really horrific deaths. I've I've been in some wild 1270 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:40.679 car accidents. I've I should have never walked away from 1271 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:44.800 like matrix style flipping six times and my whole front 1272 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:46.920 side of my car being squished down. I'm like this, 1273 01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:50.039 there's blood spattered all over the inside of the car. 1274 01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:53.480 Bro he drove off a cliff and boone, no, and 1275 01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:58.119 fell what was it like six hundred feet Okay, a 1276 01:07:58.199 --> 01:07:59.280 few hundred less. 1277 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.519 But uh yeah, and that that one was that was 1278 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:06.360 that was my most impactful out of body I'll tell 1279 01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:10.960 that one. But uh so. So Yeah, as a kid, 1280 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.199 I'm I'm I have all of this really artistic and 1281 01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:19.039 spiritual and also you know, influence from a scientist. And 1282 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:24.800 I'm also in a very complicated, rough home life. I 1283 01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:28.840 am just introduced, you know, I recently introduced it in 1284 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.640 second grade to public school, where I'm immediately like, this 1285 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:33.199 is not where I'm supposed to be. I'm trying to 1286 01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:35.000 take off my shirt and getting kicked out of class, 1287 01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:39.920 like why can I be naked? And uh not that 1288 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:43.039 Montessori school kids are running around naked, but it's free, 1289 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:49.319 you know. And and so there's a lot of and 1290 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:51.520 I have my sister. My sister practically raised me through 1291 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:53.439 a lot of a lot of the rough stuff. And 1292 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:55.000 again my parents are incredible. 1293 01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:57.000 But uh. 1294 01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:03.000 So there's all this time. Like my sister was always like, Cam, 1295 01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:05.640 let's just let's just go in a room and just chill. 1296 01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:07.520 Let's just think about stuff. We go out by a 1297 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:10.039 tree and just like say nothing for hours and just 1298 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:12.479 kind of chill. And and it is that those kind 1299 01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:15.039 of experiences where you don't have you don't have a phone, 1300 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:16.600 you don't have the internet, you don't have anything to 1301 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.960 distract you. So I was just draw all over my walls. 1302 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:24.159 My parents were very they encouraged us to make art 1303 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.000 everywhere and painted our floors and our walls, our ceilings 1304 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:29.439 and stuff. And so we just do we just be 1305 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.920 in our own heads. And at a really young age, 1306 01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:36.159 I started just kind of passing the time by, like 1307 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:43.760 I'd close my eyes and visualize three D objects, Like 1308 01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:46.039 right now, I got a hexagon, and you make it 1309 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:51.119 three D and you have glowing gold points at every intersection. 1310 01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:53.600 You have this like three D object and you start 1311 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:57.560 spinning it in one direction and then try to spin 1312 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.159 it in the other direction, make it more complicated. Did 1313 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:02.159 zoom in and out? See how much of it you 1314 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.119 can remember? Like how can I build a uh you 1315 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:09.640 know kind of kind of make three you know, cubes 1316 01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:12.479 with different colors on on sides and spin them around 1317 01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:17.039 and keep this in the right Yeah, and and and 1318 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.119 still to this day, like for some reason, it's really 1319 01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.880 difficult for me once I get the object, Like get 1320 01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.800 the object and then I started spinning, It's so hard 1321 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:25.920 for me to get it spinning the. 1322 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.239 Other direction, like it like it hurts my t. 1323 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.680 Yeah. So so like I still do that to this day, 1324 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:35.520 you know, if I'm waiting for something or at the 1325 01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.640 d m V, I'm just like spinning objects and building 1326 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:46.239 these objects. And and you know, in hindsight, that's I'm 1327 01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:50.039 tapping into. I'm exercising a muscle that is meditating, that 1328 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:53.560 is based on the ether, you know, uh, And I'm 1329 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:58.039 I'm creating. I'm creating what feel like physical things in 1330 01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:00.359 my head that I can manipulate and move around. 1331 01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:01.560 And and then. 1332 01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.600 And then I started to also at a young age, 1333 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.920 maybe around the you know, the Chinese camp and you 1334 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:17.640 know six through you know, to up up into almost teens. 1335 01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:24.640 Maybe I would start to uh, I just I I 1336 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:27.640 started thinking, you you got to be like, dreams are 1337 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.840 really sick. You must be able to influence what kind 1338 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:32.800 of dreams you have, Like what if I just think 1339 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:34.439 about some ship that I want to dream about? 1340 01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:36.760 Did you just do that intuitively? 1341 01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:41.000 Yeah, because because I started having flying dreams young, and 1342 01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:43.960 I think that was a lot to do with swimming. 1343 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:49.760 I was a swimmer from age sixth to Olympic trials. 1344 01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:51.880 You went to Olympic trials. 1345 01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:57.600 I was training for Olympic trial. Burnt out, but yeah, yeah, 1346 01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:01.600 it was very very serious in my life. And so 1347 01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:05.439 all this swimming I think influenced this. I was always 1348 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:07.520 flying in my dreams, and it was a swimming thing, 1349 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:09.800 and it was always a danger thing. There would be danger, 1350 01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:11.680 so I'd be like fuck and I'd jump up and 1351 01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:14.119 I'd start swimming as hard as I can, and then 1352 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:16.920 that time was flying. Yeah, And it was always physically 1353 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.880 like like I would wake up sweating like it was 1354 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:23.319 actually I know, I wasn't doing this in my sleep. 1355 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:28.840 I still like it was tasking and and so I'd 1356 01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:35.960 start to I found that very like, very effectively. You 1357 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.960 can just and this was also before like iTunes or anything, 1358 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:41.199 but it was the same exact thing I would have, 1359 01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.119 like the you know where you flip through the different 1360 01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.520 albums you want to hear or whatever, except it would 1361 01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:49.560 be just images of place cool places that I could 1362 01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.399 go to in my dreams. So I'd visualize this, you know, 1363 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:59.560 swiping through all these places that I could dream about, 1364 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.760 and and I would dream about them and wow, and 1365 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:07.880 then the you know, and then get in you know, 1366 01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:10.600 to more my teens, I get distracted by girls and stuff, 1367 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:12.920 and then I and and go to college and stuff and. 1368 01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:14.840 Uh. 1369 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:19.880 But basically, like I can't remember. I think I just 1370 01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:23.560 grew out of thinking about that, probably around ten or 1371 01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:26.560 something like. It wasn't you know, I was more interested 1372 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.239 in Ninja turtles, and then booths and then you know whatever, 1373 01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:36.600 it just happened, yeah, and then and then in college 1374 01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.840 so so so basically I'm I'm lucid dreaming. 1375 01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:41.720 Like I know, I'm dreaming. 1376 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.359 I'm able to fly, and I can as a kid, 1377 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:48.119 you know, I can choose the things I want to 1378 01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.920 dream about. Like roughly, you know, I would go to 1379 01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:57.239 that place you know. And and then in college it 1380 01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:00.439 was really weird time for me. I was super depressed, 1381 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.239 didn't want to be in school. It was not fun, 1382 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:09.439 and and I I was drinking a lot more too, 1383 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:14.279 obviously college, and uh so I started, you know, I 1384 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.760 would be in bed longer, be a little hungover, I'd 1385 01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.960 get weird sleep where I'm not quite going fully into 1386 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:26.159 and and I just started noticing, like, fuck, man, when 1387 01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:29.000 I'm getting that, Like when I when I wake up, 1388 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:30.680 I'm like, oh, I don't want to I don't want 1389 01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:32.800 to get up. It's like five am is too early. 1390 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.600 And then I go back to sleep. When I go 1391 01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:39.279 back to sleep, I start realizing I'm having the craziest 1392 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:42.119 lucid dreaming, Like it is so fucking intense. And I 1393 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.880 think it's because I'm only in a half state, like 1394 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.760 my body's not feeling great and doing its own things, 1395 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:53.279 so I'm like partially awake, but I'm lucid dreaming like 1396 01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:56.560 a motherfucker. So I'm like, I'm I'm gonna I might 1397 01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:58.039 I'm depressed and I don't want to leave, so I 1398 01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:00.239 might as well do a lot of sleeping and really, 1399 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:03.119 you know, see how far how much can I do 1400 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:07.239 with this, so it it got to the point where 1401 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.119 I have and I took notes of it, and I 1402 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:11.279 drew pictures of some of the places that it would 1403 01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:13.800 continually go to that it ended up being very special 1404 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.000 to me. And again a hard time in my life. 1405 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:24.119 And uh, there's a one place I perceived as my apartment, 1406 01:15:24.279 --> 01:15:26.960 and it was it looked like it looked like an 1407 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:30.159 abandoned taj Ma hall. It wasn't like megalithic with these 1408 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:33.600 amazing pyramid stone structures. It was very much so like 1409 01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.640 a very well built with like some a layer of 1410 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.960 spackle and like clay paint and blues. And it looked 1411 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:43.119 like a taj Ma hall, just abandoned. And there's sand 1412 01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:47.279 blowing through no doors, just all open. And I'm perceiving 1413 01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:49.720 this as my apartment. And my roommate Mike must be 1414 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:51.600 out of town or something. He's not home, you know. 1415 01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:55.600 And and this was my first time there. And and 1416 01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.039 you walk behind this taj mall by the way, it's 1417 01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:01.279 on it's on the edge of these massive, massive cliffs, 1418 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.479 like like bigger than the Grand Canyon, like like just 1419 01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:09.239 go way up. And then you walk behind this place 1420 01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:11.239 and there's a trail that leads all the way to 1421 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:12.960 this wall with a little door, and then you go 1422 01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:15.880 through the door and there's this beach of snow, so 1423 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:18.640 I'll go there all the time. Also above the the 1424 01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:26.680 building is there's ice caps, so there's this beautiful spot. 1425 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:29.039 It was like my tranquility place that I would go to. 1426 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:33.439 There's this beautiful place with the bright blue cold water 1427 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:37.920 and these ice spires and yeah, and it just sits 1428 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:41.680 there like it's fucking magical and yeah. It became really 1429 01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:44.520 important pieces of my of my life. And it was 1430 01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:48.239 my sanctuary that I could go to in weird in 1431 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:50.439 these morning sleep times. 1432 01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:50.840 Wow. 1433 01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:56.199 And and then there's the spire where I would I 1434 01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:02.439 literally developed my flying abilities in my dream because every 1435 01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:05.640 time I would start lucid dreaming. Of course you want 1436 01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:08.439 to fly every every time, but every single time I'd 1437 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:09.800 be like, what if this is the time I'm not 1438 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.000 dreaming And I'd jump off this cliff and I splat. 1439 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:14.319 You know what if I can't Superman's time. 1440 01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:15.239 So I would get. 1441 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.439 Really really scared about it, and like I got a 1442 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:21.079 first off. It was it was so physically tasking to 1443 01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:23.720 do the swimming thing until you're flying. I'm like, I 1444 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:26.600 want to fly like Superman, I want to fucking you know, 1445 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:27.399 like Neo just. 1446 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:28.720 Takes off exactly. 1447 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:31.399 So there I would go back to this spire, this 1448 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.600 spire land. It was just a giant stone spire and 1449 01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:38.600 then this big body of water down here, and you 1450 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:40.520 go all the way up to the spire and there's 1451 01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:42.279 like a little village on top of the spire and 1452 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.800 then a peak, and I'd go, I'd go through this 1453 01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:47.000 little village and then up to the peak and then 1454 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:49.920 I'd practice my flying so I'd jump off and then 1455 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:52.720 I would I would when I get down to that water, 1456 01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:55.960 I would do the Superman yeah and get the rocket 1457 01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:59.319 boost and it was literally like a you're you're you're boosting, 1458 01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:01.039 like whoa. 1459 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:02.680 Uh. 1460 01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:05.720 And and yeah, there's other places, but those those are 1461 01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:08.720 like the most significant places where I mastered my my 1462 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.920 lucid dreaming flying ability at the spire and then the 1463 01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:15.720 place that I perceived as my old apartment or something. 1464 01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:21.680 And and you could like consistently revisit these places in your. 1465 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:26.640 Dream consistently consistently. And there's some other places. There's there's 1466 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.960 a waiting room I went to twice and this this 1467 01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:33.159 one is bananas. This is not something I did on purpose. 1468 01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:35.239 It's just I ended up here a couple of times, 1469 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:38.439 and I'm in a I'm in a small room and 1470 01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:43.359 it's like it's staged strangely, like there's a desk here 1471 01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:46.319 for no reason, and there's a table in a lamp, 1472 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:49.520 and there's other people in the room and they're all 1473 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.000 different time periods. Wow, whoa other people in the room, 1474 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:55.359 and everybody's confused. We're all just kind of looking at 1475 01:18:55.399 --> 01:18:57.840 each other. And then things start floating, and then we're 1476 01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:00.279 all just floating and everybody's like, I don't know, you know, 1477 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.920 I don't know what the buck and I've gone there twice. 1478 01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:07.800 And then another really impactful one was I'm I'm just 1479 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:08.840 absolutely certain I was. 1480 01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:09.479 I was in a. 1481 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:15.199 World very similar to ours, and I just floated down 1482 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:16.359 and I was in a cul de sac. I was 1483 01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:19.239 in a neighborhood at the end of one and floated 1484 01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:23.079 down and and I start looking around, and in this 1485 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:27.399 particular one, I am an orb. I don't have my body, 1486 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:32.000 and I'm just cruising looking at stuff and I see 1487 01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:35.000 like I see like kids toys, you know, out in 1488 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:38.399 the yards, and there's homes and there's always there's just 1489 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:43.079 something weird about every little weird like the door sizes 1490 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:45.199 or the size of things was kind of just strange. 1491 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:48.399 And I'm looking more at the toys and like, these 1492 01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.520 are toys for not humans. These are the similar things 1493 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:54.520 that we have, but like a world like ours, but 1494 01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:57.960 these are not built for people. And then I saw beings. 1495 01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:00.399 Beings came out of the door and they and they 1496 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:06.319 were kind of human, but the like oval eyes, big 1497 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:10.239 big oval eyes. Sounds like a cartoon, but you know 1498 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:12.840 how like real things when you see them. 1499 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:14.439 It's like, yeah, that's what it is, like real. 1500 01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:19.000 Yeah. So yeah, just these these really he's really amazing 1501 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:22.279 lucid dreaming experiences. Places I go back to that were 1502 01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:26.720 so specially I drew some of them. And and then 1503 01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:31.560 later on later on in my life, at a very 1504 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:34.239 pivotal time in my life, after I'd gone some really 1505 01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:39.760 really experienced some very traumatizing stuff and music industry, after 1506 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:42.840 already having this very chaotic life, I've been to jail 1507 01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:46.560 three times and some crazy experience, isn't there, especially the 1508 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:49.920 Tense City prison in Arizona before it got shut down 1509 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:56.039 for any main punishment. Wild experience. WHOA, And so I 1510 01:20:56.199 --> 01:21:00.119 was at this this focal point in my life. And 1511 01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:05.960 and Eliza. I had met Eliza two years prior to 1512 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:09.560 this moment, and she really she saved my life. She 1513 01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:14.760 I had locked myself in a apartment for nearly a year, 1514 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:16.119 I had bed sores on my butt. 1515 01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:18.319 Oh wow, just depression, just like rock Bottom. 1516 01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:20.840 Yeah, yeah, it is super bad. And I and I 1517 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.279 I went, I went to a dark place, like I 1518 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:30.359 fully dove into this hatred for you know, just some 1519 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:33.399 classic bad things you experience in the music industry or 1520 01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:36.119 you you know, you spend enough time there, you will Wow. 1521 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:41.880 And so Eliza was the first person that got me 1522 01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:46.880 out of my apartment. Wow. And uh, and I mean 1523 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:50.119 she fucking healed me. She she she helped me become 1524 01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:53.840 a human again. And and she introduced me to her 1525 01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.640 family and uh, and they all they all changed my 1526 01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:01.800 life as well. And I've learned so much from them. 1527 01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:05.279 But so, like one to two years into our relationship, 1528 01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:10.880 We're at Eliza's family's house and and I'm I'm in 1529 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.159 a I would say I'm in a transitionary period where 1530 01:22:14.199 --> 01:22:19.000 I'm I'm you know, I'm I'm a I kind of 1531 01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:22.399 turned into like I've been in a cave for twenty 1532 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:26.479 years working with rock people. Ye never seen the light 1533 01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:31.920 of day. Basically raised by my sister, I'm like a 1534 01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:37.520 I'm I'm an animal, and so I'm learning to like, okay, 1535 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:42.920 I'm a human. I'm remembering who I am and and 1536 01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:44.039 I'm I'm. 1537 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:46.079 Trying. 1538 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:48.560 I start trying to stop drinking, start trying to get 1539 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:51.840 my life together. Do my adult things get back on track, 1540 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:54.680 because man, I went, I went real hatred, real dark 1541 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:57.199 for a while, and it takes you to terrible places 1542 01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:02.439 or voices. Definitely had demons. My my mom saw me 1543 01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:07.800 one night, uh, basically putting my body through the door. 1544 01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:10.039 I was just smashing the door down and I looked 1545 01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:11.800 at her. I was foaming at the mouth. She said 1546 01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:14.560 my eyes were black, and it was it was just 1547 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:19.520 because I had made a conscious decision when some of 1548 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:23.000 this bad stuff happened. And it's you know, my my 1549 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:26.479 music is so special to me. This, all of this 1550 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:30.640 is so special to me. The hardcore scene, the growing 1551 01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:37.199 this uh cult following of people are like this fucking 1552 01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:39.640 music is heavy, Like this is such a special thing 1553 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.159 to me. And it got perverted at some point and 1554 01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:46.279 it got and it got kind of you know it 1555 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:47.760 it music industry. 1556 01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:49.920 Yeah, the experience. 1557 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.520 I'm sure. I'm sure there's probably the situations that it's 1558 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:54.920 just best if we don't reveal about that. 1559 01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:58.319 Sure, there's yes, we'll talk about it all, you know. 1560 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:04.119 But but like so, I remember Mattie Mullens. He he 1561 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:06.600 he talked me through a lot of it, and and 1562 01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:11.520 he one day he's like, he's like, Cam, it's it's 1563 01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:15.760 terrible and everybody feels bad about this. And I know 1564 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:21.239 this is terrible, but it's your responsibility to to not 1565 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:25.760 let it blacken your heart and to to be the light. 1566 01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:29.199 And I said, in that moment, I said, fuck that, 1567 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:30.039 I'm going dark. 1568 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:31.239 Oh wow. 1569 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:38.399 And and like I let demons into me, I totally 1570 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:42.479 invited it in. I had roommates who like, I was 1571 01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:44.760 hearing voices in my room all the time. I was tap, 1572 01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:48.479 I was hearing I'm seeing music and like radio frequencies 1573 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.239 like I would. It was a crazy time, crazy time, 1574 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:53.920 lots of voices. And I had a roommate who just 1575 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:56.399 out of nowhere said one day, hey, Cam, like I 1576 01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:58.119 don't want to alarm you, but like I was, I'm 1577 01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:00.600 I was in your room the other day. I'm literally 1578 01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:01.800 hearing voices in your room. 1579 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:04.319 Oh my gosh. 1580 01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:08.560 So so yeah, So there was this huge transition to 1581 01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:12.560 letting the light back into my heart and accepting, you know, 1582 01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:16.119 things from my past and reflecting on on the the 1583 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:19.920 really rough stuff that I've experienced and seeing the beauty 1584 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:23.720 that came from it. And and so I'm like, you know, 1585 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:26.199 I'm I'm I'm stopping drinking and I'm getting my life 1586 01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:30.000 together and I'm getting this really good influence from Eliza 1587 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:32.680 and her family and and uh uh you know, but 1588 01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.840 I'm still being a piece of shit. I'm it takes time, 1589 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:36.159 you know. 1590 01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:39.840 Yeah, so like it's like a shedding. It's it's like 1591 01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:42.079 it's like a lotus unfolding. 1592 01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.880 It's it's layers totally, Yeah, peeling, peeling the layers. 1593 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:46.159 Yeah. 1594 01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:51.760 And uh so uh, I'm I don't have a license 1595 01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.159 because the the last time I got arrested was for 1596 01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:57.960 DUI and it was so traumatizing going into that that 1597 01:25:58.479 --> 01:26:02.800 desert military prison. I just decided I was never gonna 1598 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:05.840 drive again. So I didn't have a license. I'm driving 1599 01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:10.520 around my girlfriend's car that like, in front of her family. 1600 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:14.319 They know I don't have a license. I drank heavily 1601 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.159 the night before and then I go early morning, I'm like, 1602 01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:18.000 I'm gonna take a drive. 1603 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:18.319 Guys. 1604 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:20.840 You know, I'm just I'm just being I'm still I'm 1605 01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:23.239 on the right path, but I'm still just in my 1606 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:29.520 idiot brain. You don't even realize, like you fool you 1607 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:31.840 like these people, right, you're making it like what were 1608 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:36.000 you doing? So so I'm driving around and you know, 1609 01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:40.720 no license, and this is like third day in a rows, 1610 01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:44.760 like holiday or Christmas trips or whatever. I think that's 1611 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:48.119 what it was. And and you know those roads they're 1612 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:52.680 really really bendy and they're mountainous and and no, I'm 1613 01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:55.640 not drunk, but you know I'm not being I'm not 1614 01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:00.760 You're not alert. I'm not alert, you know, smoking all 1615 01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.960 the time. I was drinking the night before, probably a 1616 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:10.680 little hungover, just being an idiot. And and I drive 1617 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:13.560 around a bend and there's a car in my lane. 1618 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:14.000 Mmm. 1619 01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:17.920 And I've experienced that before. But but I didn't drive 1620 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:18.520 off the cliff. 1621 01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:22.039 I corrected. I corrected around this way. Terrify, I went 1622 01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:24.239 around this way, couldn't correct quick enough. I just went 1623 01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:26.319 right off the right, off the edge of the cliff. 1624 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.319 Oh my god. And uh, there's nothing scarier. 1625 01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.840 Oh yeah, I'd like and I blacked out from the adrenaline, 1626 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.640 but I could still hear and I remember hearing the 1627 01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:38.079 like off the edge like a ramp, literally a ramp. 1628 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:41.880 And then I was just free floating and then completely 1629 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.880 blacked out. And I woke up and I'm looking out 1630 01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:47.920 the window and nothing makes sense because my car is 1631 01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:50.760 like I'm looking at the ground like the trees had 1632 01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:53.840 caught the car. Here, here's the cliff. The trees are 1633 01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:56.920 like this, and and the car had gotten wedged like 1634 01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.960 Jurassic Park, like exactly like dragsic Park said that last night. 1635 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:04.479 My doors are cramped shut from from the trees, like 1636 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:08.439 I got wedged. So I'm kicking the door open sideways, 1637 01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:12.000 you know. And and then and then I get out 1638 01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:13.760 of the car and I look up and I'm like, oh, 1639 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:16.960 ways down boulders, So I have to climb up these 1640 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:22.199 boulders back back to the road. And a lady had 1641 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:24.439 seen she had been coming around the other side, saw 1642 01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:28.439 no other car, of course, but she came around the 1643 01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:31.279 bend just in time to see me come behind the 1644 01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:34.279 mountain and fly right off the edge. And she sees 1645 01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:37.119 me climb up and she's like, freaks the fuck out 1646 01:28:37.680 --> 01:28:41.560 She's like, ah, I thought you were dead. Yeah, could 1647 01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:43.640 you imagine I just told the cops you were dead. 1648 01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:44.720 Fuck. 1649 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:48.239 And then the cops came out and and you know, 1650 01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:50.720 all everybody came out that they had to get a 1651 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:54.079 crane to you know, lift it out. They said, if 1652 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:56.880 if I had if I had hit the tree like 1653 01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:00.039 a few inches the other the other way, that I 1654 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:03.840 would have had an engine block in my lap. And 1655 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:06.479 I didn't have a fucking scratch. The the you know, 1656 01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:11.319 the the paramedics of my blood pressure was a little. 1657 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:14.640 High, and then the cop was like, breathing was a 1658 01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:15.239 little fast. 1659 01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:21.159 And the cop was like, listen, man, congrats for you know, 1660 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.560 being live. I got a ticket, you bro, you don't 1661 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:24.479 have a license. You know. 1662 01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:26.000 It's like you can't be driving around. 1663 01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:28.479 You can't be driving without a license, bro. And and 1664 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:31.199 I'm like, yeah, I'm a piece of shit, you know. 1665 01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:37.239 And uh So there's this there's instantly this feeling of like, yes, 1666 01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:39.159 I got run off the road, but I was just 1667 01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:43.159 just constantly being a piece of ship leading up to that. 1668 01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:46.640 So this all happens, I'm kind of in shock, and 1669 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:48.399 I had I was right in the middle of doing 1670 01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:52.039 uh flooring for Eliza's family, like I was. I was 1671 01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:55.800 laying down wood floor on their in their downstairs, and 1672 01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:58.800 so I just hop right back into that like nothing happened, 1673 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:02.520 and you know, Eliza's parents were really wonderful and we 1674 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:04.840 you know, we figured out the car thing. Everyone's happy. 1675 01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:07.399 I'm alive, obviously, but I'm kind of over here still, 1676 01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:10.319 like I just feel a ton of guilt. Like this. 1677 01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:12.760 It was a big eye opener for me, Like this 1678 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:17.800 is what happens when you're an idiot, you know, you 1679 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:25.159 attract idiot things. And so the wild part is somewhere 1680 01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:28.720 in the next few days, I'm implanted with a memory. 1681 01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:39.000 I it all. I like, I just I'm I immediately. 1682 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:44.960 It's it's connected. The experience wasn't like implanted later or 1683 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:46.880 maybe it just maybe I just remembered later. But it 1684 01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:49.199 felt very much so like by the way this happened, 1685 01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:52.840 and it was when I blacked out, Yeah, when you 1686 01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:55.479 went out of body, When I went fully fucking out 1687 01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:59.840 of body, I went to a realm that was just 1688 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:03.520 like my so like when I lucid dream, I have 1689 01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:07.960 my body, okay, yeah, the when I don't have my body, 1690 01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:12.439 I'm an orb I'm just an energy ball and and 1691 01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:15.520 it's similar places, like I feel very much. So it's 1692 01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:20.479 a similar place. It's just that other whatever the ether is, 1693 01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:24.359 you know. And and it's like calm, I I the 1694 01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:27.039 it's a quick memory too, but it happens quickly. But 1695 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.359 so much is going on. I'm I'm I I come 1696 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:32.720 to just black and then all of a sudden, I'm 1697 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:36.079 I'm in the mountains and I'm going through the roads 1698 01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:41.239 in the mountains and everything is like like tinted blue. 1699 01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:46.439 It's like it's like it's blue. It's almost like movie Contact, 1700 01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:47.800 you know, do you remember? 1701 01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:51.159 That's crazy? Come on, that's crazy. 1702 01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:54.840 I just watched it for the first time a couple 1703 01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:55.279 of months ago. 1704 01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:57.720 The ending of Contact, I'm telling you, is just like that. 1705 01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:01.640 It's kind of and it's blue wild. 1706 01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:03.239 We're going to talk about contact later. 1707 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:05.479 And I'm going through the mountains and I'm like, so 1708 01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:08.000 my brain, I'm just trying to I'm perceiving things the 1709 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:11.199 way you would as a human experiencing our normal human life. 1710 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:12.560 And I'm like, oh, I must be in the car 1711 01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:14.279 and I look down. I'm like, I don't have any lakes, 1712 01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:16.960 and I'm like, I'm in orb and I started I 1713 01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:18.760 was like, this is like, this is just like in 1714 01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:21.079 Halo when you're creating the worlds and you're just in 1715 01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:24.840 the forge. Yeah. I was like, I'm I'm in Forgeland 1716 01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:28.159 right now. This is this is crazy. And then and 1717 01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.560 then I start perceiving, Oh my god, an old friend 1718 01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:33.880 or somebody I haven't talked to in forever is calling me. 1719 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:35.800 Where's my phone? Like oh my oh yeah, I don't 1720 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:37.359 have a body, and I don't have a phone, and 1721 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:39.520 I'm not in a car and I'm just going down 1722 01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:44.039 the mountains, and but I'm getting a call from somebody 1723 01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:46.920 and I hear this is sounded like this very deep 1724 01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:55.880 Russian language, Russian like with Aboriginal like, and and that 1725 01:32:55.960 --> 01:33:01.680 starts happening then very quickly that that morphs into just clear, calm, 1726 01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:07.640 male English voice and and I'm like and I'm like, 1727 01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:09.760 oh my god, I can't believe I'm talking to you. 1728 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:13.319 It's been so long. And then the voice says, I know, Kim, 1729 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:16.439 that's how it works. And then and then it's gone. 1730 01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:20.079 And I have this immediately, this to this sense of 1731 01:33:20.279 --> 01:33:24.159 like fuck you, bro, like you can't you can't suck 1732 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:26.880 me into your realm and tell me that's the way 1733 01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:29.039 it works after I say I haven't oh my god, 1734 01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:30.840 I don't have no idea who you are, and I'm 1735 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:32.880 so excited to talk to you and we haven't talked 1736 01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:36.000 to or talked in so long, and then you just 1737 01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:38.880 leave me hanging with That's how this works. And and 1738 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:45.079 it was I when I was listening to Paula, I 1739 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:49.439 had so many parallels with with his story and in 1740 01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:53.399 his life, and he said, uh, it's the same exact 1741 01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:55.640 thing he talked about one of his experiences, and and 1742 01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:59.279 it was it. It felt like God, it felt godly, 1743 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:02.560 but there was a sense that it was like just 1744 01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:06.159 a really fucking close special friend that I haven't been 1745 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:07.279 with in a really long time. 1746 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:08.039 Yeah. 1747 01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:13.880 And I mean, these are They're just beyond any doubt. 1748 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:17.720 These are places I'm going to, whether it's the out 1749 01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:21.319 of body the near death experiences. I've had some overdoses 1750 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:24.000 by myself that are really difficult, but it was the 1751 01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:26.960 same same realm. And I just look back on all 1752 01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:29.520 these experiences and I'm like, I'm going to the same 1753 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:31.720 place every single time. Is this the same realm, whether 1754 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.840 it's the lucid dreaming realm or the you know, you 1755 01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.880 have a near death it's any any real anything that's 1756 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:40.520 shocking or either shocking your body or just putting your 1757 01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.600 body into a state where you're like your your consciousness 1758 01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:46.920 can be consciousness pulling from your your physical body, and 1759 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:47.720 I think that can be. 1760 01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:51.439 There's pleasant ways to get there. There's very unpleasure shot trauma, 1761 01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:52.319 but it's real. 1762 01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:56.800 Drugs, it's real meditation, working out, you know, like all 1763 01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:57.479 of these things. 1764 01:34:57.760 --> 01:35:00.640 It's like music music. Oh, I'm it's it's like in 1765 01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.680 uh doctor Strange when she like punches his his like 1766 01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:06.439 consciousness out of the Yeah, it's like contact, but then 1767 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:09.319 he can later do it like at will. It's it's 1768 01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:12.239 like there are shocking, crazy ways that are will force 1769 01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:14.640 you into that state, or there are ways to get 1770 01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:17.439 there willingly. But it's all like the same place. So 1771 01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:19.960 you had like a familiarity you just knew. 1772 01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:22.239 At this point in my life. I'm very like, I'm 1773 01:35:22.520 --> 01:35:28.119 I'm so I it's a it's a it's a it's 1774 01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:32.000 this beautiful place where you you're completely at peace because 1775 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:36.359 there's you feel none of the things you feel with 1776 01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:39.880 your with your body, like anxiety and and and your 1777 01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:42.880 chemical things, all the all the chemical things that your 1778 01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:45.279 body makes you think you want to do or or 1779 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:46.359 that makes you feel. 1780 01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:47.640 It's all chemical mind tricks. 1781 01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:49.800 None of those. All those are gone. You're just you're 1782 01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:53.640 just at peace. But I could still I could still 1783 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:59.239 perceive the sense of like humor and joy. Yeah, yeah, 1784 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:00.720 I talk. 1785 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:02.359 Forever and fuck you're gonna tell me that? 1786 01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:08.760 Okay. You guys know the Hopie, like the Native American tribe. Yeah, yeah, 1787 01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:13.680 they have an old legend and it's like that, you know, 1788 01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.880 it's like an old hope elder would tell the story 1789 01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:21.159 where it's it's back in the in the original world 1790 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:23.680 before being on Earth, when we're all just spirits of 1791 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:27.520 light and we're hanging out, and it's like they're observing 1792 01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:30.640 that there are spirits that hop down into the Earth 1793 01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:35.199 world because they want to experience the dream. And it's 1794 01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:38.760 like people are hopping in and then it's like, oh, no, 1795 01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:41.239 he hasn't come back for a while. Maybe we should 1796 01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:43.560 hop in and get him and hop in, and then 1797 01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:46.279 oh no, they haven't come back for a while, you know, 1798 01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:47.880 And it's like they keep hopping in and hopping in 1799 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:50.079 and hopping in, and it's like you come to Earth 1800 01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:52.760 and then you forget where you're from and you're just 1801 01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:55.359 having this experience here, but it's like, really you are 1802 01:36:55.720 --> 01:36:58.359 that being up there. That's like, man, I wonder what 1803 01:36:58.439 --> 01:36:59.800 it would be like to hop down into. 1804 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:01.359 Earth a little bit, you know what I mean? 1805 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:04.680 Yeah, And like every culture has some iteration of that. 1806 01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:05.039 Broh. 1807 01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:07.479 Yeah, you know that there's a familiarity with the other 1808 01:37:07.640 --> 01:37:09.960 side that like you're really just kind of incarnating here 1809 01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:12.960 for a temporary, tiny, little amount of time. Maybe it's 1810 01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:15.039 millions of lifetimes, maybe it's thousands, I don't know, but 1811 01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:16.439 in the span of everything. 1812 01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:17.199 Maybe it's eternity. 1813 01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:20.399 Yeah, but but really it's just a spec yeah, compared 1814 01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:22.159 to like the real existence, you know. 1815 01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:23.439 And totally it's deep. 1816 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:24.960 Your experience is very profound. 1817 01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:27.319 That is shocking. 1818 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:29.119 WHOA. 1819 01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:31.560 Definitely get the sense that we were always going to 1820 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:32.479 cross paths. 1821 01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:37.960 And and you know, you guys have already been influencing 1822 01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:42.359 my my decision making and at soapbox uh and uh 1823 01:37:42.640 --> 01:37:46.920 and implementing you know, binormal three D mics. 1824 01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:50.800 And we've been influencing that uh. 1825 01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:51.960 Yeah. Just like the. 1826 01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:57.000 Talk about Monroe Institute, Oh wow, Like you know, we're 1827 01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:05.119 sitting here talking about frequencies leading you into these meditative 1828 01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:07.039 states where you can go out of body, like, yeah, 1829 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:09.880 makes perfect sense. You know, they've done the studies, they've 1830 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:13.319 they've they've spent a long time perfecting this, and you're 1831 01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:17.680 you're deeply involved with them. And I immediately took such 1832 01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:21.760 high interest in that, and I and I started researching 1833 01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:25.479 selfagio frequencies and how they relate to also chakras, and 1834 01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:30.119 then also thinking about like mixing. How interesting is it that, like, 1835 01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:33.960 you know your selfagio frequencies, your your chakras. The way 1836 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:38.199 that everything is laid out is actually how you perceive 1837 01:38:38.359 --> 01:38:41.279 the sound. Your kick drum comes and hits you in 1838 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:43.359 the balls like it or it hits you right in 1839 01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:45.159 the butt. You know, you feel the kick drum. The 1840 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:47.640 snare hits you right around here. That's like that two 1841 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:51.239 three hundred you know, yeah range. The way you perceive 1842 01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:55.520 sound is exactly the way visually that soul, fagio frequencies, 1843 01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:58.399 and chakras are are lined up. And it's almost a 1844 01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:01.520 good tool for learning how to mix your your your 1845 01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:03.880 high your high end stuff is floating around over here 1846 01:39:04.039 --> 01:39:07.560 and your symbols and the drum kit is just happens 1847 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:10.479 to be set up exactly the way it's trippyt Why 1848 01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:12.960 aren't you down here because they're not supposed to be 1849 01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:15.039 perceived that way. They're supposed to be perceived up here. 1850 01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:17.800 You know, dude, it's I noticed the same thing. And 1851 01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:21.039 I would try like boosting some of those like soulfveggio tomes, 1852 01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:24.640 and they would like resonate and do weird stuff. I 1853 01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:27.079 showed Emily. At one point I recorded a video like 1854 01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:29.000 look at this, Look at what happens when I'm like 1855 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:32.119 boosting this specific frequency. It would start like spiking like 1856 01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:35.479 crazy and resonating. And then yeah, I noticed the same 1857 01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:38.119 thing with drums. We were working on drums for I 1858 01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:40.319 think it might have been for twice Born, and I'm 1859 01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:43.359 like experimenting with like boosting different frequencies, and I'm like 1860 01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:47.199 it it does hit you, like where it stackers out. 1861 01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:49.319 It's so strange, like you mean, on. 1862 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:51.520 A physical kit, when you boost us frequencies, it hits 1863 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:52.079 you in the body. 1864 01:39:52.199 --> 01:39:55.119 And yeah, and like according to where like the chakras 1865 01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:57.119 are even aligned on the body, Like. 1866 01:39:57.159 --> 01:40:00.079 If you open up a signal generator and you you 1867 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:03.680 you know, you put in three hundred hertz, you can 1868 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:06.800 dial in a specific blast that you're going to feel 1869 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:10.359 that frequency hitting you exactly where the shop is. 1870 01:40:10.359 --> 01:40:11.359 Aligned with those chalker's too. 1871 01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:14.760 Yeah, that get it now, because each sogo is is 1872 01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:18.319 aligned with any specific chocerate. And yes, you feel it 1873 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:19.479 so interesting. 1874 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:22.960 You see all these things and it's like, how how 1875 01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:26.239 can anybody possibly call any of this stuff? 1876 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:28.840 It's scientific? 1877 01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:31.760 You can experience it literally right now in your room, 1878 01:40:32.079 --> 01:40:32.199 you know. 1879 01:40:32.680 --> 01:40:34.439 Yeah, yeah that's true. 1880 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.760 So I mean amazing. So now we're going to weave back. 1881 01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:40.359 So we talked about how when you were growing up 1882 01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:42.560 as a kid and your dad was teaching you about 1883 01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:44.520 like three D imaging in your brain, which now we 1884 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:47.840 know is just a meditation practice. You're keeping your left 1885 01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:50.479 brain very focused. You didn't know this consciously, but it's 1886 01:40:50.520 --> 01:40:53.279 what's happening. You're keeping your left hemisphere of your brain 1887 01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:56.720 so focused on visualizing this model that the right brain 1888 01:40:56.840 --> 01:41:00.880 is coming alive. So like you've unwittingly been and uh 1889 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:04.319 putting your brain into a deep meditative state your entire life, 1890 01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:09.199 you know, just naturally, just just like literally unconsciously and anyway, 1891 01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:13.039 So now you have found yourself with an incredible company 1892 01:41:13.279 --> 01:41:17.399 where by some grand design, you find yourself three D 1893 01:41:17.479 --> 01:41:20.239 imaging holograms on yeah. 1894 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:22.840 You haven't said earlier with your band that you they 1895 01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:25.119 were creating like virtual versions of rightes. 1896 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.720 Yeah, yeah like that. Yeah, how weird of a thing 1897 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:30.960 to happen. And that was a while ago. And they 1898 01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:34.319 did this virtual Laguna Beach and they're made virtual cam 1899 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.920 and I could virtual cam, played a virtual show. 1900 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:43.840 And now you're working with Soapbox doing yeah, like an 1901 01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:47.399 advanced version of the same thing, and working with three 1902 01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:52.239 D polygons, and it's like, yeah, your destiny. I've literally. 1903 01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:59.960 Also for years of my life, I was a sculptor 1904 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:03.960 for a creature shop. Cool, no way, very cool, sculpted 1905 01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:06.640 like U effects prosthetics. 1906 01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:07.359 That's amazing. 1907 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:10.640 We have a friend who's a very talented sculptor one 1908 01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:13.800 and a massive fan of you as well. Really yeah, 1909 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:16.680 he would lose his mind. He Angel. 1910 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:17.520 What's the name of the band. 1911 01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:22.159 He's in Georgia, isn't he Yeah he does. He works 1912 01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:26.840 for this company called they make this incredible pottery and 1913 01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:29.359 and he is absurdly talented. 1914 01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:30.319 Should totally talk. 1915 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:31.199 Yeah he's awesome. 1916 01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:35.640 So but even that, like, yeah, I had a gift 1917 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:39.079 for sculpting. I'm a high definition sculptor. I love doing 1918 01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:44.640 the anatomically correct detailed sculpts. You know of of monsters, 1919 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:47.359 So how do you make a monster anatomically correct? You 1920 01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:50.319 have to know muscle structures and stuff. But anyway, so 1921 01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:52.920 even that's the three D land. I'm using my my 1922 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:56.520 arts for for you know, music and three D stuff. 1923 01:42:57.119 --> 01:43:03.119 And and then fucking hello, I meet Matty Mullens introduces 1924 01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:05.359 me to this guy, dream Beard. He goes, he goes 1925 01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:08.880 by Dream beautiful person. He created the first, you know, 1926 01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:13.800 massively successful Beard oil company, dream Beard Amazing. And he 1927 01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:17.239 got linked up with some old some old buddies, the 1928 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:21.399 Sellers Sellers brothers Ryan and Kevin, and they had been 1929 01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:26.760 developing this this idea based on based on military tech 1930 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:31.880 visual tech for creating volumetric holograms, or you use forty 1931 01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:34.840 or a bunch of cameras, writ in our case, we 1932 01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:38.239 have forty eight cameras, twenty four processors in a three 1933 01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:44.039 hundred sixty degree array, and all these angles create a volume. 1934 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:49.720 It creates a literally a hologram of the subject. So 1935 01:43:50.199 --> 01:43:53.960 Dream gets brought on board and and and then Dream 1936 01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:56.479 just happens to be a huge fan of my production. 1937 01:43:56.760 --> 01:44:01.960 Oh no, And there's like a lot mutually beneficial things 1938 01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:04.439 going on there, I get to just like they asked me. 1939 01:44:04.640 --> 01:44:07.960 After after years of showing my face, Eliza and I 1940 01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:10.840 both you know, kept being as useful as possible because 1941 01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:14.079 obviously the project is just so fucking cool. And a 1942 01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:18.720 few years later they they asked me, how can you 1943 01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:21.880 keep doing exactly what you're doing producing but you also 1944 01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:25.159 work for us full time? And and uh now I 1945 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:29.319 work like eighty nineties hours a week and it's fucking amazing. 1946 01:44:29.439 --> 01:44:35.279 And I'm I'm I'm like, I feel like I'm I'm 1947 01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:39.079 putting my entire set of tools to work. 1948 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:41.119 Yes, every day thriving. 1949 01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:45.279 It's fulfilling, fucking fulfilled, awesome. And immediately I'm like, I want, 1950 01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:47.279 I want to. You know, they hired me as a 1951 01:44:47.640 --> 01:44:53.680 producer in A and R people Connector and and and producer. 1952 01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:59.880 So we have these artists in or educators, celebrities, you know, demonstration, 1953 01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:07.640 we medis medians, yeah, any sort of entertainment or education exactly, 1954 01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:16.039 wink wink. And so the artist comes in the performer 1955 01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:20.600 and like recently we had Teddy Swims in and he 1956 01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:24.960 did a live rendition of Lose Control with our buddy 1957 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:28.359 Chris Link on the acoustic and so I got to 1958 01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:34.119 record this live rendition, live acoustic rendition of Lose Control, 1959 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:37.920 do my thing, produce it, mix it properly to sound 1960 01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:41.920 somewhere somewhere in between in your room with you dry 1961 01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:46.279 and a little bit produced. So I'm getting to tap 1962 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:48.880 into all these different Like what a what a cool 1963 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:53.800 world to to just just that in itself, Like it's 1964 01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:56.880 a unique challenge. Yes, yeah, it's a unique challenge. And 1965 01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.760 I'm I'm I'm I'm getting to use so much of 1966 01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:05.399 my my brain and my my you know, talents or whatever. 1967 01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:09.800 And it's a perfect melding of all of these things 1968 01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:13.359 that have transpired over my entire life. I can't even 1969 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:16.359 believe it. I immediately asked them to train me in 1970 01:46:16.439 --> 01:46:18.479 the holosis so I can start. I want to do 1971 01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:20.880 it all. I want to know how all of this works. 1972 01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:24.520 I want to be able to run the an entire facility, 1973 01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:28.079 you know, just run from station to station and and 1974 01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:31.800 and do the whole thing. So I've pretty much gotten there, 1975 01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:34.319 and and it's uh, it's fucking cool. 1976 01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:34.479 Man. 1977 01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:39.960 I'm excited to have you guys in and I'm excited possibilities. 1978 01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:41.760 We'll just have to take a trip, man, And just 1979 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:44.079 like Geek, out and yeah, we got a little taste 1980 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:47.600 of it last night. It is truly mind below. 1981 01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:50.119 Nick and I showed up to a walk a Flock 1982 01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:51.239 a concert in my kitchen. 1983 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:56.279 Dude was straight up like performing in the kitchen and shit, 1984 01:46:56.359 --> 01:46:57.960 and I was like, oh my god, he's right there. 1985 01:46:58.000 --> 01:46:58.479 He's huge. 1986 01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:00.279 I want to beat the tea pain one and oh 1987 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:00.640 I can't. 1988 01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:04.640 We'll show you all the unreleased stuff too. 1989 01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:07.840 Yeah, yeah, we got to show Alex. But like after 1990 01:47:07.960 --> 01:47:09.720 we've got Alex get to see lesson. 1991 01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:13.039 He brought a headset I do, I do really want 1992 01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:15.319 to say too, like the you know, I was calling 1993 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:17.560 you guys the Avengers and and it's it's a very 1994 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:22.439 similar situation with us. I'm like, I'm I'm totally fucking 1995 01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:27.920 honored to be at at work every day at Soapbox 1996 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:31.439 because these the people on the team, It's like, it's like, 1997 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:33.760 how the fuck did these people come together? The you know, 1998 01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:38.880 the sellers there, they're successful architects and and and then 1999 01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:43.199 they they happened to also be musicians and one of 2000 01:47:43.239 --> 01:47:45.880 them was producers produced really cool fucking ship and it 2001 01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:50.399 was really obsessed with realism. Where I'm up. I've I've 2002 01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:53.880 always been obsessed with let's make this ship crazy sounding. Yea, 2003 01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:57.119 So he's been he's been reeling me in and teaching me, 2004 01:47:57.520 --> 01:48:00.720 you know, these some of his tricks and and the 2005 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:04.560 values of of making something hyper realistic like very cool 2006 01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:09.640 and uh Like, we have Jim Barber, who you look 2007 01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:13.399 up Jim Barber. He is a fucking legend Gefen Records legend. 2008 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:18.039 Uh he he's he dated Courtney Love for five years, 2009 01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:22.039 like right after Kurt wha. He's deeply involved in a 2010 01:48:22.199 --> 01:48:27.239 very epic part of the music industry and dream Beard 2011 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:30.239 obviously Eliza, you know, the fucking joy of my life. 2012 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:34.800 Uh so cool marketing, Yeah, dude, there's so many parallels. 2013 01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:35.640 How awesome is that? 2014 01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:37.880 Like my wife does that for our team? 2015 01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:38.640 Yeah, you know. 2016 01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:41.560 We we also have one of our aon Oars's Cory 2017 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:47.680 Richmond and he's he's like a uber famous gallerist from Miami. 2018 01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:48.359 Wow. 2019 01:48:49.399 --> 01:48:51.760 Yeah, what what is a galerous gallery stuff? 2020 01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:55.760 Or yeah he was he he he was a gallerist 2021 01:48:55.880 --> 01:49:00.720 for a super duper famous artist. I'm talking. You know. 2022 01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:04.520 They just go from you know, like mansion life and 2023 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:05.840 like and they would. 2024 01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:09.880 Like super luxury, like high high class, high profile, high 2025 01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:15.479 high profile artists, and and and he would uh I'm 2026 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:18.960 probably butchering all this, but yeah, he he handled the galleries. 2027 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:21.960 He would he would manage his galleries very cool and 2028 01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:24.039 managed his life in a lot of ways. From from 2029 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:27.159 what I hear. He you know, watched his kids and stuff. 2030 01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:30.840 He was galerous plus you know, caretaker of this family. 2031 01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:37.560 Just he's a legend. Uh and uh and and then 2032 01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:43.680 we got John uh bick Noll, the uh one of 2033 01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:49.439 our developers and tech guys, genius level. He's handling all 2034 01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:53.520 of our storage and our server room. And and then 2035 01:49:53.600 --> 01:49:57.520 we have a few people from overseas on our on our. 2036 01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:01.279 Dev team, like uh uh like software developers. 2037 01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:04.359 Yeah, and it's just all these magnificent people. I'm like, 2038 01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:08.640 I'm I feel so out of place. And then and 2039 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:11.399 then and then even and then coming here too, I'm like, 2040 01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:14.359 what the fuck what am I doing with all these people? 2041 01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:19.479 Like I'm I I told you last night, I'm half retarded. 2042 01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:24.359 You know you obviously belong man, Like that's wild. You 2043 01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:27.079 guys have such an awesome team, Like y'all are the 2044 01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:33.359 Justice League, bro, where are the Avengers? That's sick. 2045 01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:35.399 I was thinking the same thing, like they're like a team, 2046 01:50:35.479 --> 01:50:37.520 but it's just like a different team, but it's the same. 2047 01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:41.279 It's you know, it's the same thing. Yeah, and justly 2048 01:50:41.439 --> 01:50:44.880 my favorite. I love the Avengers too. But I was 2049 01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:46.479 telling you the same thing last night, Bro. We were 2050 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:47.720 out in the garage and I was just like, man, 2051 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:50.520 I've always felt like I've had imposture syndrome that I 2052 01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:53.880 was telling Cam last night, Like, there's been some many 2053 01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:57.079 times that I have felt like we're just pretending, like 2054 01:50:57.399 --> 01:50:59.439 you know, we're making a podcast, but like anybody can 2055 01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:03.000 do that. Like we were just like, uh, you know, 2056 01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:05.680 just no, I feel it too, you know, but I 2057 01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:06.159 feel it too. 2058 01:51:06.279 --> 01:51:08.279 And then you meet people in person that tell you 2059 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:11.720 how the little thing that you do that you think 2060 01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:16.159 is nothing or whatever impacts their lives and has changed 2061 01:51:16.159 --> 01:51:18.720 their lives and it's real. And then you're like, now 2062 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:19.199 it's real. 2063 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:24.039 Whoa, it's very real. You guys are doing I mean, 2064 01:51:24.199 --> 01:51:29.840 arguably arguably the most important ship and fucking humanity. I'm 2065 01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:34.359 serious to very good. But but in actuality, the the 2066 01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:38.600 what attracted me so much to the Bloodsoe story is 2067 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:44.520 that it's the only it's the only version where it's 2068 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:47.840 fucking positive, bro, And that's the first like ding ding ding, 2069 01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:51.479 you know, like the UFO stuff. Yeah, and any of 2070 01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:54.880 this world. This is the this is the one that 2071 01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:56.880 this is what makes most sense to me when I 2072 01:51:57.159 --> 01:52:00.720 when I have out of body experiences, always the immense 2073 01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:04.840 peace and and and you've seen orbs, yes, yes, ready 2074 01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:10.159 and and it's it's not there's nothing negative about it. 2075 01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:15.079 In fact, you can't you can't even see anything if 2076 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:17.800 you're if you're in a negative state, like it's very 2077 01:52:17.920 --> 01:52:18.840 much so you got. 2078 01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:21.000 To be well, you can see something, but you know 2079 01:52:21.159 --> 01:52:24.359 that us it's voices and scary, scary. 2080 01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:26.159 At scary real Yeah, and it's demonic. 2081 01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:29.359 Yeah, yeah, you are a negative in a you know, 2082 01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:30.159 in a bad space. 2083 01:52:30.279 --> 01:52:32.600 Oh yeah, I've been in some bad places and seen 2084 01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:35.039 some scary stuff I've seen like shadows, movement on the 2085 01:52:35.960 --> 01:52:38.880 and like all the ship's real voices. 2086 01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:41.199 To say that one thing is just that is like 2087 01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:45.119 what the fuck? Man? How closed minded and are thinking? 2088 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:46.600 You know, it's silly. 2089 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:50.680 So yeah, you guys are like, that's what you guys 2090 01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:54.399 are talking about. Is is reality? That's that's that's the 2091 01:52:54.520 --> 01:52:55.359 reality of things. 2092 01:52:55.479 --> 01:52:55.840 Is is. 2093 01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:01.600 Is the positive version. And once you realize that, you 2094 01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:05.520 see that, oh well that's that's the immediate red flag. 2095 01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:07.479 How do I know if something is bullshit, if it's 2096 01:53:07.640 --> 01:53:11.319 if it's being presented me as demonic and this terrible 2097 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.800 thing that I should avoid. I guarantee that's the thing 2098 01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:15.600 that I should spend the most time paying attention to. 2099 01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:19.079 Yeah, it's like my pastor telling me don't do kung fu, Right, 2100 01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:21.680 that's one of the best things you can do the same, 2101 01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:22.800 it's the same parallel. 2102 01:53:22.840 --> 01:53:26.039 It engages your body, keeps you healthy, it helps you meditate, 2103 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:29.359 clears your mind. It's like it's all these amazing, profoundly 2104 01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:33.279 positive things, but the fear is causing him in that 2105 01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:35.199 case be like no, no, no, no, no no, you 2106 01:53:35.239 --> 01:53:37.439 can't do that or else. You know, this book says 2107 01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:38.479 like you'll go to hell forever. 2108 01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:41.359 It's the same with the like the government narrative like no, no, no, no, 2109 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:43.239 the phenomenons like you're supposed to be scared of. 2110 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:46.199 It, right yeah, And and by the way, like the 2111 01:53:46.479 --> 01:53:49.600 what you're trying, what you're supposed to be teaching us 2112 01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:53.359 is what we're connecting with, you know, like why not 2113 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:59.479 why not tell you know your your peers, the that 2114 01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:04.600 there's easy ways to make these connections uh, and you 2115 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:07.039 you know whatever, and. 2116 01:54:07.079 --> 01:54:10.760 They'll benefit you and they're positive though, enrich your life. 2117 01:54:10.960 --> 01:54:13.399 Another red flag. It's like, if you're not doing the 2118 01:54:13.560 --> 01:54:17.920 obvious thing to to help lift up the people around you, 2119 01:54:19.279 --> 01:54:20.560 it's a red flag for sure. 2120 01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:24.560 It's true. It's true. Man, it seems so obvious from 2121 01:54:24.600 --> 01:54:27.840 the inside, and then from the outside it's these people 2122 01:54:28.439 --> 01:54:31.880 it's fear and confusion and and so to a certain degree, 2123 01:54:32.600 --> 01:54:35.039 you you almost like, at least I am like, I 2124 01:54:35.159 --> 01:54:38.439 try to have some grace and understand like they're only 2125 01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:41.720 operating out of fear. And then I just wish I'm like, 2126 01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:45.159 I know that they'll have their opportunity to see that 2127 01:54:46.119 --> 01:54:48.880 it's not a scary thing, it's a positive thing, and 2128 01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:52.600 it can enrich your life. And you know, you have grace. 2129 01:54:52.760 --> 01:54:57.399 Who doesn't want to be more spiritually connected to whatever 2130 01:54:57.479 --> 01:55:00.279 fucking higher power you think, whatever, whatever your per of 2131 01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:02.439 things is, something greater than yourself. Who doesn't want to 2132 01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:09.159 be more spiritually connected to something positive and who doesn't 2133 01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:14.960 want to realize that they're capable of out of body 2134 01:55:15.039 --> 01:55:19.079 experiences and connecting to other realms, Like you can just 2135 01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:22.399 do it. You can learn how to I mean, I 2136 01:55:22.600 --> 01:55:25.720 I I tend to think it's everybody. It's it's yeah 2137 01:55:25.840 --> 01:55:30.119 if if if animals, you know, you have you have animals. 2138 01:55:30.119 --> 01:55:34.479 What is it called again, ortog morphogenetic residence. We're animals? 2139 01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:37.960 Like this is an innate thing that obviously an innate 2140 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:42.640 thing with living beings that that that h is probably 2141 01:55:42.680 --> 01:55:44.640 suppressed for the various reasons. 2142 01:55:44.720 --> 01:55:47.840 You know, Yeah, absolutely, I think so too. 2143 01:55:48.600 --> 01:55:52.640 But yeah, I mean you you guys are are making 2144 01:55:52.720 --> 01:55:55.600 people aware of this information. That's a huge fucking deal. 2145 01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:58.359 And I think obviously you're seeing that you've created a 2146 01:55:58.439 --> 01:56:00.880 wave that now you can just rock and watch the 2147 01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:07.399 magic happen. You know, there's overwhelming amount of people finding 2148 01:56:07.479 --> 01:56:09.920 deep interest in this, and you've got people like Dacks 2149 01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:10.279 come in. 2150 01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:13.039 And he was awesome, bonkers. 2151 01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:13.920 Yeah he is awesome. 2152 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.359 Yeah, it's a good guy. It is definitely bonkers, and 2153 01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:18.880 it does feel like a crazy wave, especially for me, 2154 01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:22.520 because for me, I was just like, oh, my friend 2155 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:26.720 needs help telling his family story. Yeah, I'm in. And 2156 01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:30.079 then it was just like sure, what's next. It's just like, yep, 2157 01:56:30.119 --> 01:56:32.479 whatever's next. I'm taking it one step at a time 2158 01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:35.439 and the whole ride is crazy and bizarre. 2159 01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:40.840 But and then you're watching orbs manifest into bars that 2160 01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:42.279 turn into wings. 2161 01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:50.439 Videos with uh huh yeaheah it is it is nuts, 2162 01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:53.199 but you know, yeah, for me, it was just I 2163 01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:55.279 just want to help my friend tell his story. And 2164 01:56:55.479 --> 01:56:59.399 then two three years later there's people telling me that, 2165 01:56:59.640 --> 01:57:02.359 like something I said on the show is like has 2166 01:57:02.439 --> 01:57:05.039 impacted their lives, and I'm like, oh my god, this 2167 01:57:05.199 --> 01:57:08.640 is really important because it's making this thing that most 2168 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:11.199 people have experienced some iteration of in their life but 2169 01:57:11.319 --> 01:57:13.039 don't know how to describe it or just pass it 2170 01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:13.560 off as something. 2171 01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:16.119 You know, it's a fucking satellite. But I felt so 2172 01:57:16.279 --> 01:57:17.079 great afterwards. 2173 01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:19.800 I don't know why or or or nobody will listen 2174 01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:21.520 to them when they when they try to talk about it. 2175 01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:25.159 Yes, like this is so special to me, and like 2176 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:30.239 I can't talk to him about a big realization I 2177 01:57:30.319 --> 01:57:34.479 had one of the synchronicities or or you know, psychic moments. 2178 01:57:35.359 --> 01:57:43.319 I just wanted to mention, uh, like overwhelmingly an overwhelming realization, 2179 01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:47.520 just after spending a day with you guys and talking 2180 01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:52.359 about in more in greater details, some of your experiences 2181 01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:54.680 as a as a child, as a as a kid, 2182 01:57:54.920 --> 01:58:02.039 and just how how intense Uh just getting some deeper 2183 01:58:02.119 --> 01:58:06.159 information and spending more time with you. I have realized 2184 01:58:06.199 --> 01:58:10.479 overwhelmingly that all of all of the people that I follow, 2185 01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:14.920 big names, all of these major names in ufology and 2186 01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:18.439 the drone thing, the orb thing, whatever it is, a 2187 01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:23.359 ross coltheart, all of it, Jake Barber, all these people. 2188 01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:27.640 Very it seems very much so that all of this 2189 01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:32.680 information is actually originating from the blood cells. Yeah, there 2190 01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:36.319 seems to be a very clear focal point. 2191 01:58:37.399 --> 01:58:39.760 And that's that was the other thing last night where 2192 01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:41.239 it was like we read each other's minds, where I 2193 01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:43.239 was trying to explain to him, like how we've always 2194 01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:45.359 been ahead of the paradigm and like we'll be saying 2195 01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:48.520 some shit and then like the whole UFO situation will change, 2196 01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:50.159 they'll come out with a new thing. And I was 2197 01:58:50.279 --> 01:58:52.079 like telling him this and then he said that I 2198 01:58:52.159 --> 01:58:54.119 was like, dude, you just read my mind because like 2199 01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:56.439 it sounds like it's all kind of coming from you guys. 2200 01:58:57.239 --> 01:59:00.439 Well, I mean this started in two thousand and seven. Yeah, 2201 01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:02.960 you know, it's been going on for a long time. 2202 01:59:03.079 --> 01:59:05.359 And to see I don't know if I can say it, 2203 01:59:05.439 --> 01:59:08.039 but some of the videos you were showing me yesterday 2204 01:59:08.439 --> 01:59:16.520 like it's Chris in the Zoom meeting with Ross, Jake Barber, fucking. 2205 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:19.000 Who else was I don't even remember, to be honest, 2206 01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:21.399 And and it's just like, oh that Zoom's not a secret. 2207 01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:23.279 People just had to like pay to watch it. God 2208 01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:25.399 yeah yeah yeah, well still like it. 2209 01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:30.000 You know, it's you that kind of just all these 2210 01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:35.359 new bits that just uh learning more, more and more. 2211 01:59:35.439 --> 01:59:39.279 It's it's just we're more and more over it. 2212 01:59:40.399 --> 01:59:43.520 It's it's so obvious we are the middle of it. 2213 01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:47.760 Yes, yes, yeah, that's wild. Yeah, and that's so again. 2214 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:51.399 I'm I'm totally I'm a fanboy, and I'm I'm honored. 2215 01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:53.640 Nah, dude, you're not a fan boy, You're like you're 2216 01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:55.600 like part of the crew. 2217 01:59:59.119 --> 01:59:59.319 Yeah. 2218 01:59:59.359 --> 02:00:01.239 Yeah, no, we feel the same way about you, man. 2219 02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:03.239 Like it's it's a beautiful synergy. I think. I think 2220 02:00:03.319 --> 02:00:08.199 we're all mutual admirers of each other's work, and you know, 2221 02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:12.079 us coming together, Beautiful things will unfold from this. They 2222 02:00:12.119 --> 02:00:14.640 already are and they certainly will continue to do so. 2223 02:00:15.560 --> 02:00:18.119 Real and you know, thank you for coming. I think 2224 02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:20.399 that's a beautiful place to wrap, dude. This is an 2225 02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:21.520 amazing episode. 2226 02:00:21.960 --> 02:00:25.720 Yeah, thank you so much for sharing like your experiences, 2227 02:00:26.159 --> 02:00:28.880 and I just want to say, like just just seeing 2228 02:00:28.920 --> 02:00:31.680 who you are as a person now, Like I'm very 2229 02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:36.880 proud of you having come from those dark experiences and 2230 02:00:37.000 --> 02:00:41.560 dark places. A lot of people don't bounce back from that, man, 2231 02:00:41.880 --> 02:00:45.840 yp I've seen it happen. And yeah, I mean lucky. 2232 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.560 But also you put the work in. You cared, You 2233 02:00:48.720 --> 02:00:51.560 cared enough to say you know that one. At one 2234 02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:53.680 point you were like, fuck it, I'm going dark. Yeah. 2235 02:00:53.880 --> 02:00:56.359 Well you also had a point where you said fuck it, 2236 02:00:56.439 --> 02:01:00.600 I'm going light. Yes, And that shit is so difficult 2237 02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:02.439 to do. And yeah, I'm proud of you. 2238 02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:04.319 But there's a key theme here that could be gleaned 2239 02:01:04.359 --> 02:01:07.720 from his story and from Paul's and from many others 2240 02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:12.039 that even when you choose to go dark, God still says, 2241 02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:16.600 all right, that's enough. Yeah, run your ass off the road, 2242 02:01:17.479 --> 02:01:20.640 fly out a body, and and then like just pulls 2243 02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:23.279 you back. It's like that's enough to change course. It's 2244 02:01:23.279 --> 02:01:23.800 an intervention. 2245 02:01:24.039 --> 02:01:25.800 Yeah, yeah, totally, it's amazing. 2246 02:01:25.960 --> 02:01:28.119 Yeah, I needed I needed my ass whupped a little bit. 2247 02:01:29.000 --> 02:01:31.279 Humbled, got it, but you were humbled. Yeah, and that's 2248 02:01:31.319 --> 02:01:33.520 and that's a beautiful thing, you know, Like that there 2249 02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:35.479 is a force up there that even when we're like 2250 02:01:35.640 --> 02:01:38.520 choosing to renounce the light and go with the darkness, 2251 02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:41.640 it still cares about you. And it's like kind of 2252 02:01:41.720 --> 02:01:43.880 watching you and being like, all right, now it's time 2253 02:01:43.920 --> 02:01:46.319 to intervene. We got Yeah, he's he's a little too 2254 02:01:46.359 --> 02:01:48.760 in deep. Let's pull him out. Yeah, you know, it's beautiful, dude, 2255 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:49.239 it's amazing. 2256 02:01:49.239 --> 02:01:53.119 It is beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's awesome. I'm happy 2257 02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:55.920 that you're you seem like you're in such a good place. 2258 02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:57.520 And then a great I'm happy you have so much 2259 02:01:57.560 --> 02:01:59.920 love around you. It's and by the way, I love 2260 02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:02.800 to uh, it's it's so special to. 2261 02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:08.560 Be listening to not knowing and listening to your recordings 2262 02:02:08.600 --> 02:02:12.880 you're you're producing work and we got we all got 2263 02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:15.760 to do something with the band related to with you're project. 2264 02:02:16.279 --> 02:02:16.680 That would be. 2265 02:02:18.479 --> 02:02:21.520 But to be listening to to to your work and 2266 02:02:22.000 --> 02:02:25.039 and like the theme song, this theme song, and I'm like, fuck, man, 2267 02:02:25.079 --> 02:02:27.680 whoever's doing that, they know what they're doing. This is 2268 02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:31.119 fucking sick. And then to meet you and know that 2269 02:02:31.439 --> 02:02:35.159 that you took influence from from me is I love 2270 02:02:35.239 --> 02:02:39.359 those full circle moments and and and I think everybody 2271 02:02:39.479 --> 02:02:40.560 needs to experience more of that. 2272 02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:42.920 Yeah, it is. It is full circle. Here we are 2273 02:02:43.119 --> 02:02:45.920 face to face like it's true man, like you were 2274 02:02:46.039 --> 02:02:49.840 totally the biggest influence for my music production. So thank 2275 02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:52.319 you for that. Yeah, and I appreciate the kind words. 2276 02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:53.359 Thank you so much. 2277 02:02:53.479 --> 02:02:54.960 Yeah, we're gonna plan a trip to Atlanta. 2278 02:02:55.119 --> 02:02:55.560 Let's do it. 2279 02:02:56.079 --> 02:02:58.199 Let's do it, all right, everybody is there? 2280 02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:00.239 Have you like, is there anything that you feel like 2281 02:03:00.279 --> 02:03:01.560 you need to get off your chest? Do you feel 2282 02:03:01.600 --> 02:03:02.199 good where we're at? 2283 02:03:02.600 --> 02:03:07.079 I feel fucking great. I'm I'm excited to keep bothering 2284 02:03:07.119 --> 02:03:11.680 you guys. I'm gonna be here a lot. Yes, lies out. 2285 02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:15.479 Maybe amazing, Yes, yeah, he wants to come for these 2286 02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:16.880 a fest no way, yea for real? 2287 02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:18.319 That would be awesome. 2288 02:03:18.520 --> 02:03:20.479 Yeah, let's make it happen. All right, Well, you know 2289 02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:22.479 how we in the show right bye guys? 2290 02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:24.800 Right? 2291 02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:25.520 Do you remember that? 2292 02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:25.720 No? 2293 02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:28.439 I have only uh oh you never make it to 2294 02:03:28.520 --> 02:03:29.119 the It's okay. 2295 02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:33.000 Yeah, I skipped through, and I also I listened to 2296 02:03:33.079 --> 02:03:33.840 most of them. Yeah. 2297 02:03:34.119 --> 02:03:36.479 Yeah, at the very very end when it's like time 2298 02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:38.960 to wrap, we just it's just cheap little. 2299 02:03:38.840 --> 02:03:40.439 You know, how we say bye I'm like, yeah, people 2300 02:03:40.479 --> 02:03:41.000 say bye. 2301 02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:42.800 We literally just say bye guys. 2302 02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:44.720 Yeah, let's say we just say bye guys at the 2303 02:03:44.720 --> 02:03:47.640 same time. Okay, yeah, all right, bye guys, guys. 2304 02:03:49.359 --> 02:03:50.239 What bies. 2305 02:03:50.520 --> 02:03:52.600 If you like the show and want more, check out 2306 02:03:52.680 --> 02:03:54.960 Patreon dot com slash Bledsoe said. 2307 02:03:54.840 --> 02:03:57.600 So this will get you exclusive weekly bonus shows and 2308 02:03:57.840 --> 02:04:00.600 access to our discord community with one hundreds of open 2309 02:04:00.680 --> 02:04:01.479 minded people. 2310 02:04:01.479 --> 02:04:01.840 Just like you. 2311 02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:05.159 If you want to represent the show, go to bledsosatso 2312 02:04:05.239 --> 02:04:08.439 dot com for merch. We have t shirts, hats, hoodies, 2313 02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:08.840 and more. 2314 02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:12.520 For all future updates, follow us on Instagram at bledsosatso 2315 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:14.279 same time next week