1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,599 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Surely You Can't 2 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:15,560 Be Serious podcast. This is episode two of our Christmas 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,000 comparison of Die Hard versus Lethal Weapon. And to start 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,039 it off, we're gonna have a very classic Christmas introduction 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:22,800 to this episode. 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,519 Speaker 2: All right, listen up, guys, twas the night before Christmas, 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,640 and all through the house not a creature was stirring 8 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:32,399 except the four usholes coming in the rear standard to 9 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:34,159 cover formation. 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: It's Christmas time in Hollis. 11 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:44,759 Speaker 2: Please, Mom's cooking chicken. 12 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Oh man. If this is your first time to listen 13 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:51,200 to us, all I can say is welcome to the party. 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: Pal Man. You know, we started this a year and 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,079 a half ago. I did not anticipate how much work 16 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:00,719 that we would be putting into this thing. 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,039 Speaker 1: But it's been an amazing year. Do you remember when 18 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:04,480 I called you about a year and a half ago. 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come out to the coast. We'll get together 20 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:08,599 and make a podcast. 21 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:14,159 Speaker 1: Well, I'm very proud of what we've done so far 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,719 this year. We've had an awesome time. We've made lots 23 00:01:16,719 --> 00:01:19,480 of friends and put out what we think is a 24 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:20,359 pretty good product. 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: Well, I'm hopeful that our listeners think so we've definitely 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,680 had a great amount of support from everybody, and this 27 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:29,840 is kind of an amazing, you know, like almost bittersweet 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,079 end to a thing. 29 00:01:31,239 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: But I mean, we're just done with chapter one, ready 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,120 to go on to chapter two. So it's a great 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,239 way to end the season with two of the most 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,359 amazing movies of the eighties right at the time that 33 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:47,120 they're in all of their glory. It's Christmas time. 34 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: It is. This podcast is not the is it a 35 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:53,519 Christmas movie podcast? But here just a little bit we're 36 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:55,280 going to talk about we'll touch on it whether we 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,680 think these are Christmas movies or not. 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,799 Speaker 2: Right more importantly, we will defend the fact that they 39 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:01,319 are Christmas. 40 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:02,959 Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: All right. Our executive producer on this episode is Chris 42 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:10,520 walkd In that's walked in with a d. It's I'm 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,520 sure he gets it all the time, Christopher Walking. But Chris, 44 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:16,159 thank you so much for your support. He is our 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,280 first Patreon subscriber to pay us in pounds. 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Love it, love it. Chris, thank you so much. We 47 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:22,840 appreciate you. 48 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say thank you enough. If you want 49 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:28,039 to be an executive producer of one of our episodes. 50 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,080 Just go to our Patreon page. It's patreon dot com 51 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:36,439 Forward Slash Shirley Podcast, and you too can become an 52 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,159 executive producer of one of our shows. Okay, cool, all right, 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,360 So jumping back into it, I've learned a couple things 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,400 since our last episode, even though it was just a 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,960 short time ago, that I feel the need to share. So, 56 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,960 Joel Silver is the producer behind both of these movies. 57 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,039 We talked about him a bit in the last episode. 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,639 He was the one that got Shane Black in there 59 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:01,039 and Predator, and he's obviously the one that had him 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,560 write the script for Lethal Weapon. He's the one that 61 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:10,080 had forty eight hours, which then leads us to Stephen 62 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,719 Desuza coming in helping out on jib Stewart's script. He's 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,039 very much an integral part of both of these stories. 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,240 But here's something that I bet that most of our 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,520 listeners don't know. When he was in high school, he 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,280 went to Columbia High School in Maplewood, New Jersey, and 67 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,560 during that time there he and a friend of his 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,240 named Buzzy hill Ring created the rules for the game 69 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,759 ultimatet Frisbee. They were the creators Joel Silver who has 70 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:43,080 given us some of the best movies of all time. 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,639 Also was one of the creators of Ultimate Frisbee. He 72 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,840 has been inducted into the Ultimate Frisbee Hall of Fame 73 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,599 because he was one of the originators of the game. 74 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: That is freaking amazing. 75 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,639 Speaker 2: I can't believe that it's crazy. It's crazy then, and 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,120 he is the aereotype of the nasty producer. I love 77 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,039 watching this guy because if anybody ever complains about somebody 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,879 or something back and just like, oh, I hate that guy, 79 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:12,680 I hate. He has no fear about saying I hate 80 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:14,479 some big I mean, because who's the heavier hitter than 81 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,240 Joel sofar right? 82 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: Not many here, right. 83 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,519 Speaker 2: So one of the guys that he hated was Michael Eisner. 84 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,480 Like they both work together at Paramount, right, and they 85 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,199 hated each other then. And he has been in a 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,399 couple of movies and one that you probably don't recognize 87 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,600 him from is who framed Roger Rabbit at the beginning, 88 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:35,600 you know, the beginnings of the cartoon? Yeah, yeah, and 89 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,120 then you know he has the wrong thing spinning around 90 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,959 his head. God, and the director's all, yeah, he shaved 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,920 off his beard. He plays the director in that movie. 92 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,759 The angry, you know, throwing his stuff down, which was 93 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:55,079 an inside joke by Spielberg and Zamechis because it was 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,439 supposed to be like a Disney cartoon, and so they 95 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:00,720 had him playing the part with would be like the 96 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:03,680 Michael Eisner part because they knew that they hated each other. 97 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,519 And when and when they showed it to Eisner, Eisner's like, 98 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,839 who's that actor because he had his beard shaved off, 99 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:13,839 and they're like, it's Joel Silver and he's like, well, 100 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,360 he did a good job. 101 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: That is great, man. I didn't know that. That's fantastic. 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,319 Speaker 2: Have you seen Tropic Thunder? I have. 103 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: It's been a while, but I have. 104 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,079 Speaker 2: Okay, but you remember the Tom Cruise part. Absolutely, it's 105 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:29,839 it's a parody of Joel Silver. That kind of raunchy cigar. 106 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,199 Speaker 1: Show makes sense. Ye, sure, that makes sense, both of 107 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,560 these movies. I have a feeling some cocaine news. What 108 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:41,519 I've got something for you? Yes, go ahead, Okay, this 109 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,800 is something that I learned. 110 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,639 Speaker 2: Okay, that blew me away. All right. 111 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to try and top you right on. 112 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,639 Speaker 2: The top, man, this is what we're about. 113 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,959 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to top you, Okay. I just found this. 114 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Blew my frigging mind. Okay, Yeah, the Mrta House. All 115 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,079 the action in lethal Weapon happened one, two, three, four, 116 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,800 right and one. Joshua crashes the car through the front 117 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,680 door too. They blow up the freaking toilet part four. 118 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,480 The whole house like gets blown up, right right? Okay, 119 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:08,120 So the Merta House, it's a character in all four 120 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,000 of these movies. Right next door to the Myrtal House Okay, 121 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,839 this is on the Warner Brothers ranch. 122 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:13,639 Speaker 2: Okay. 123 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,879 Speaker 1: Right next door to the Myrtle House is the Christmas 124 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,800 Vacation Chivy Chase House. No, So that means that, in 125 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,600 this fictional world that the Myrtas live in the same 126 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,959 house as Todd and Margot. Right, why is the floor 127 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,000 all went Todd? 128 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: I don't know Margot? So, what what did Roger Murtaz 129 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,680 say when he saw the lights finally light up at 130 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,120 the house? 131 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: There is a world where the Murtaz and the Grizzwolds 132 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,759 live next door to each other. 133 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: That's crazy. That is crazy. 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,079 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so appropriate that they're both Christmas movies though, 135 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,319 it absolutely it is, and we will tell you why 136 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:01,920 in just a little while. Right, do we want to 137 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,600 get into the plot. 138 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,639 Speaker 2: We're kind of, yeah, let's jump in the plot. Let's 139 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,279 let's bounce. Do you really want to jump? 140 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that every time with it. That's fine 141 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:11,040 with me. 142 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So both of the movies start off and 143 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,560 we see our main characters vulnerabilities right off the bat. 144 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:23,839 Right the first time that you see John McClain, he's 145 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:28,319 got white knuckles in the airplane because he's scared of flying. Right, So, 146 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:31,120 your big, big hero character, You've got to keep in 147 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,680 mind that this was going on at the time of 148 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,360 Rambo and Commando and Conan and where the big hero 149 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,560 was invincible, and we introduce our big hero as the 150 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,439 guy who's scared of planes. 151 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: In order to relax, he's got to make fists. Was 152 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,040 his toes your toes? Well? 153 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: And I guess that's really not all because even as 154 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,160 it carries on, we get more vulnerabilities. He's obviously got 155 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:57,120 marriage on the rocks, and he's also obviously got an 156 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,639 impulsive mouth that we see when he's arguing with his wife. 157 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: He's kind of a jerk. He's a jerk to Holly, 158 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,199 and he's a little bit of a jerk to our guy. 159 00:08:04,199 --> 00:08:05,399 All coming out of the Gate, and then. 160 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: With Leith the Weapon, we've got my gosh, suicidal Martin Riggs, 161 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:14,120 you know, just living in a dirty, nasty trailer, drinking 162 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,439 beer from last night, naked to the toilet. How many movies, 163 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,319 by the way, in a row was mel Gibson naked? 164 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: Mel Gibson's butt got a co starring credit in like 165 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,160 his first ten movies, I know. 166 00:08:27,279 --> 00:08:30,839 Speaker 2: And then we've got Roger, who's too old for this. 167 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:33,519 Speaker 1: She's fifty years old. Fifty damn years old. 168 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: Right. 169 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Have we talked about the bathtub scene? 170 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,279 Speaker 2: I don't think we did. Maybe we touched on it, yeah, 171 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,600 But so let's just my wife put this movie on. 172 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,759 I mean, God, God bless her. I didn't even ask 173 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:47,159 for it. She put it on as a Christmas movie midday, 174 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,559 all the kids are there. I'm like, honey, this is 175 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,039 not a kid. It didn't matter. Our kids and my 176 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,320 nine year old little girl loved it, loved this movie. 177 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:01,279 But that first scene when they're singing him Happy Birthday 178 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,320 and they come in and he's in the tub. All 179 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,600 of us were like why, why why except my wife, 180 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,279 and she's like, I think it's a cultural thing. And 181 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,080 every single one was like, no, it's not it's not 182 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,480 a cultural thing. I don't think that any culture does that. 183 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,279 Speaker 1: What what eighteen and sixteen and fourteen year olds bargain 184 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:17,480 on their dad taking a bit? 185 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: Right? A bath? 186 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: A bath? 187 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:21,159 Speaker 2: I mean why a number one? Why is he taking 188 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:23,720 a bath in the morning? Right? I mean who, I 189 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,240 don't know guys that take baths generally at all, but 190 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,639 in the morning. No. What And you. 191 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,919 Speaker 1: Can clearly see there's not a lot of bubbles. No, 192 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,200 the bubbles are gone. 193 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: No, you got a little turtle head flowing to the top, 194 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:38,480 and it's just no, not comfortable. 195 00:09:38,919 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: Leave. 196 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,159 Speaker 1: The weapon would be exposed. 197 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:45,039 Speaker 2: I mean, any other human being that I know if 198 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:47,159 this happened, would be grabbing the towel, like, what the 199 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:47,919 heck are you doing? 200 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,759 Speaker 1: To get out out of here? We wanted to say 201 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:52,559 happy birthday. You can tell me later. 202 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: So then let's go back to diehard called action machine 203 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,159 guns firing and women screaming with tops off and all 204 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,240 kinds of stuff. And he's got this split second to 205 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,879 get out of the room because he's just been making 206 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:10,039 fists with his toes. He's got no shoes, barefooted, but 207 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,240 he does grab his gun. That's a man with priorities 208 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:12,559 right there. 209 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,759 Speaker 1: That's right, grab your gun, worry about your shoes later. 210 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:16,159 First of all, I just want to say point it 211 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,480 out right out of the gate. John McLean's attitude about 212 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,240 attending his wife's company Christmas party. It's probably the same 213 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,679 as yours of mine. Yeah, how soon before we can 214 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:26,879 duck out of here? What is the shortest amount of 215 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:28,519 time I'm obligated to be here? 216 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:28,919 Speaker 2: Right? 217 00:10:29,159 --> 00:10:31,519 Speaker 1: Okay? This is the eighties, and I know that we 218 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:34,759 would like to say this, but there are three playmates 219 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:37,919 in the movie die Hard. Okay, So there's three playmates. 220 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: In the movie. Okay. 221 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,159 Speaker 1: One of them is the topless girl at the very beginning, 222 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,600 which that's the scene I've always kind of got to 223 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:47,200 put my hand over my son's eyes. There's one. I'll 224 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,879 give you one, one playmate right there. 225 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: Right the story behind that one, by the way, Okay, 226 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:52,559 she got that part. 227 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: She got that part because Joel Silver was interested in 228 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,440 dating her. 229 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: With the quotations with the fingers right there. In order 230 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:04,840 to this radio not TV, we get to see the 231 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:05,759 quotation mark. 232 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: In order to convince her to date him, he had 233 00:11:08,519 --> 00:11:10,799 to give her a part in a movie. And that's 234 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:11,399 her part. 235 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: What a payoff, all right. 236 00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: So she was in Playboy, all. 237 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: Right, that's number one, all right, Number two, Well you 238 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,559 got the girl who's the actual Playboy magazine that's on 239 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:22,960 the wall. 240 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,039 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That's November of nineteen eighty seven, play 241 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,039 Playboy centerfold on the wall right there. 242 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,879 Speaker 2: And that boying sound. I got to capture that boying my. 243 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: Girls girls, all right? One more, The World's Greatest Action 244 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:39,159 movie had three playmates that barely get noticed. 245 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: Only hot girl f not that the girls at the 246 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,720 party weren't nice looking girls, and there were the police 247 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,600 officers were nice looking girls, not police officers. Girl at 248 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:52,080 the airport. 249 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: Girl at the airport, ding Ding ding Ding named all 250 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,759 three of them. Good job, Google's search all right, back 251 00:11:58,799 --> 00:11:59,159 on track. 252 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,039 Speaker 2: Okay. So then the call to action for Riggs and 253 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:08,080 Mertaw obviously is Huntsucker. Right. Huntsacker is like, you've got 254 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,639 to get him and you've got to kill him, right, 255 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:10,240 you gotta. 256 00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Kill him, you gotta do you gotta kill him. You 257 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,080 gotta find him and kill him. 258 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: Come on, you'll find him, you'll find I mean, you've 259 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,559 killed him. You can do that, you owe me, right, 260 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,159 And so this is where we see the big differing 261 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,840 dynamic between Merton Riggs, because Riggs, I mean Shane Black toxic. 262 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,240 I've heard him say this five times. Riggs is the 263 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,240 monster that gets put away until we need him. Right. 264 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,519 He talks about the gentrification of America and how people 265 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,600 live their happy little lives in suburbia and know that 266 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:43,840 the war is over, and this guy is the only 267 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:46,320 guy that really knows that the war is still going on. 268 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,480 We've got two veterans here, and by the way, John 269 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,799 McClain was also a veteran like this was. It was 270 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,080 originally supposed to be a three act movie where the 271 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,720 first act is in New York and you find out 272 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,600 about his veteran status and you really developed the character. 273 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,360 So it's interesting they eliminated that whole thing. Okay, but anyway, 274 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,120 these old war veterans, some of them, obviously they've got 275 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:11,360 the sniper mentality of some people just need to die, right, 276 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,159 And obviously Riggs is still in that world have a 277 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:21,639 nice day, and so he's this Frankenstein that the rest 278 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,639 of society wants to hide and put away until evil 279 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,200 comes back into their lives in the middle of suburbia, 280 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:31,600 and then it's time to get Frankenstein out and say 281 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:39,639 we need you to save us right now. And so 282 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,919 when Huntsackers like you've got to kill him, you've got 283 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:44,960 to kill him, Roger Murtaw is like, we're going to 284 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:46,960 do this by the rules, and we're going to get him, 285 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,480 We're going to rest him, We're going to protect you 286 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,519 and Riggs. First thing he sees from these guys is 287 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,919 Huntsacker getting sniped from the helicopter. 288 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: Which is a great scene by the way. I don't 289 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,360 know if you know this or not, mister Joshuas shoots 290 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,960 Huntsecker from his helicopter, yes, which Riggs doesn't notice shows up. 291 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,240 I mean, it's just kind of appears. 292 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,879 Speaker 2: That's that's a weird thing, for sure. 293 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: But the bullet goes through him and through the carton 294 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,679 of eggnog that he's holding. 295 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I. 296 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: Guess this is from The Manchurian Candidate. Oh okay, which 297 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,559 was a Frank Sinatra movie. 298 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:18,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that movie. 299 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: Okay, hang on one second. D One of the things they 300 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,120 talk about in the movie is that Riggs is a 301 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,240 sharp shooter from the war right. That was his background. 302 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:30,480 He was nineteen years old and is one of the 303 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:32,679 great marksmen in the Vietnam War. 304 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:34,759 Speaker 2: Right when I was nineteen, I did a guy in 305 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,480 Laos from a thousand yards out a rifle shot in 306 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:40,000 high wind. Maybe eight or even ten guys in the 307 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:43,320 world could have made that shot. So the only thing 308 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,559 I ever could I have one. 309 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, I read up on the scene where Riggs 310 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,720 is hiding in the desert and Murta goes to meet 311 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,639 the bad guys who's going to try and get ran back, 312 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:54,080 and he pulls out the hand grena and all that stuff. 313 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,799 So Riggs is in the weeds shooting this rifle and 314 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:59,000 he's dropping bad guys left and right. I don't know 315 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,799 if you know this or not, but that rifle, that 316 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:05,519 very rifle was designed for a specific purpose. The nineteen 317 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:10,039 seventy two Olympics, when those terrorists took the Israeli Olympic 318 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,039 athletes hostage. Yeah, the swat team or whoever arrived to 319 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,120 kind of deal with that situation was lamenting the fact 320 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,200 that they didn't have any sharpshooters and they didn't have 321 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,600 any guns that were good enough. And so that gun 322 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,960 that mel Gibson used in that scene was a specifically 323 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,879 designed as a quick, accurate from long range to take 324 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:31,840 out bad guys due to that Olympic terrorist incident. 325 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:38,679 Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, that's awesome. Okay, So Merta wanting to play 326 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,600 by the rules is kind of his refusal to go 327 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,559 into the world of Frankenstein, to go into this mass killing. 328 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:48,039 And he keeps trying to keep trying to get him 329 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:48,759 not to kill people. 330 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I used it. That was ooh, still alive. 331 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:52,799 Speaker 2: Now we questioned him. 332 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:54,759 Speaker 1: You know why we questioned him because I got him 333 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:55,159 in the lake. 334 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,759 Speaker 2: I didn't shoot him full the hole to try to 335 00:15:56,799 --> 00:15:59,120 jump off a building. Where's no fair. The building guy lived. 336 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,799 Speaker 1: Now whatever, be no killing, no killing? 337 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:04,279 Speaker 2: Right? Have you met anybody that you haven't killed? 338 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: I haven't killed you yet. 339 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,799 Speaker 2: Don't do me no favor. And then John McLean's refusal 340 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,360 of the call. He's not trying to be Rambow, right, 341 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,840 He's trying to get the cops. 342 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: He runs and hides. Yes, he runs, he pulls the 343 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:19,080 fire alarm. 344 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to get people to come help, the 345 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:24,919 people who should be helping. He's trying to get to 346 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:26,399 come help, and he can't get him to come. 347 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:28,799 Speaker 1: Absolutely, he wants the fireman to show up so he 348 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,519 can kiss their fin Dalmatians. 349 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:35,879 Speaker 2: So you've got this very interesting thing that he's working 350 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,519 against both the obvious enemies and against what should be 351 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:43,279 the good guys, what should be the authorities. Right, he's 352 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,960 working against both of them. Both of them are against him. 353 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,399 Speaker 3: Attention, whoever you are, This channel is reserved for emergency 354 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:49,879 calls only. 355 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:53,879 Speaker 2: Sound like I'm warned a pizza. That's right. 356 00:16:54,080 --> 00:17:00,279 Speaker 1: He's pretty unappreciated glass, Okay. 357 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,039 Speaker 2: And then we talked about the fact that die Hard 358 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,039 is sort of a buddy cop movie. 359 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,759 Speaker 1: Right, I would say so, but yeah, go ahead. 360 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: But it's interesting these two movies. If you call Diehard 361 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,279 a buddy cop movie, they are like number two and 362 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,359 number three of the buddy cop genre. Number one you 363 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,839 want to guess what do you think it is? 364 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: The number one? 365 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: First? No? No, no, first, Like we're we've the buddy cop 366 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:28,480 genre starts. Where do you think it starts? Man, I 367 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,680 don't know. We get forty eight hours? 368 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: Oh good, call Stephen Desusa. 369 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and so both Jeb Stewart and Shane Black both 370 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:41,160 pointed forty eight hours and say this was the beginning 371 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:43,960 of the cop movie. A lot of people will say 372 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:46,839 lethal weapon, but forty eight hours is really the first one. 373 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,519 Speaker 1: I can see that. 374 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,839 Speaker 2: I can see that. And so you've got Al Powell 375 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,599 and you've got John McClain, and obviously Al is there 376 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,039 as kind of a mentor to help kind of guide him. 377 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,480 Not that he's like wise, but just that he's a 378 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:03,480 voice of reason and support when it appears that the 379 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:06,880 whole world is against him. Now, the question for me 380 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,559 to you is who is the mentor between Riggs and Murta. 381 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,960 I don't know, what do you think? I think it's both, 382 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,079 as much as you can cheat that answer, because it's 383 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,519 just not in the next movie. 384 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: Shoot. 385 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So Murta is trying to be the mentor for Riggs, right, 386 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,160 He's trying to assure him that there that there can 387 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,079 be a better way. You know, Riggs has gone into 388 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,480 full crazy and is just hanging on by a thread. 389 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: Hey, look, friend, people either think I'm suicidal, in which 390 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,960 case I'm aft and nobody wants to work with me, 391 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:47,920 or I'm trying to draw a psycho pension, in which 392 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,400 case I'm aft and nobody wants to work with me. Basically, 393 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,799 I'm ft. I don't want to work with it, Hey, don't. 394 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:58,799 Speaker 2: I ain't got no choice. Yes, we both aft. 395 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: You could do this all day, right, Okay, Hey, one 396 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,960 thing I want to talk about as we're moving through 397 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,359 the plot. I'm sorry, no, leave the weapon. There are 398 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,079 three scenes that introduced Rigs. 399 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:10,559 Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah. 400 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: One didn't make the movie, but it's in the director's cut. 401 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,079 And so you have the Rigs where he's at home. 402 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,759 He's bare naked and drinking last Night's. 403 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: Be when everybody saw in the theaters back in nineteen 404 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:21,240 eighty seven. 405 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: Clearly he's sad and depressed and messed up. 406 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:25,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. 407 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: Then you have the other one where he's at the school. 408 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,880 This is on the director's cut. He shows up, there's 409 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,720 a school shooter. 410 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: There's like a snipe sniper yep. 411 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,039 Speaker 1: And he everybody's ducking for cover. Rigs walks out in 412 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:39,680 the middle of daylight, right, and he says, I'm still here. 413 00:19:39,839 --> 00:19:43,160 A hole guy tries to shoot him and Riggs drops him. 414 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, let's have miss a couple of times. Like, 415 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,519 he doesn't even start shopping, he's shooting immediately back. He 416 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,680 just stands there, just trying to let a cigarette all time. 417 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:56,559 Speaker 1: It's the equivalent of Rambo screwing his explosive arrow tips 418 00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:58,640 in while the guys are trying to shoot him, he's 419 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,240 just getting ready. 420 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, so. 421 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: That was in the director's cut. Then there is a 422 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:05,480 deleted scene Riggs is at a bar and these three 423 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:07,240 robbers try to work him over. 424 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: And we talked about that a little bit last time. 425 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting sound quite forget that I wanted to 426 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,319 be that dark, Like the bar scene was too dark, 427 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:19,119 and then the sniper scene was too immediately killing a guy. 428 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: They wanted the character to not be quite so dark 429 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,480 as Shane Black had written him, because they wanted there 430 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,920 to be hope. You know that. You look at those 431 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,440 two scenes and there's a guy with no hope, and 432 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:33,799 so what you have then instead is the Christmas Tree 433 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:40,000 slash drug deal scene, which is fantastic. And you told 434 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,440 me about one of the guys who's doing the drug deal, 435 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:46,200 the very last guy to survive. He's like he's lost 436 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,480 his mind, he's got the crazy eyes and he's threatening 437 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:49,759 him at the end the long airage. 438 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I absolutely learned this and I was blown away. 439 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,039 So the Christmas Tree lot where Riggs is doing this 440 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,240 drug deal and he's paying a hundred bucks for all 441 00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:00,079 of the cocaine in the world and they're like one 442 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,400 hundred thousand. I love the line where he's like, they're like, 443 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,920 you ain't a real cop, and that's a real bad 444 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,920 dumb a real cop and this is a real kick gun. 445 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:10,720 And he says it was such intensity, I'm not going 446 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:13,119 to try to match it. But the last guy left, 447 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,079 the guy where he's like, hey, shoot this guy, just 448 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:20,400 shoot this guy. That guy's name is Blackie, Dammit, damn it, dammit. 449 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,039 His real name is John Ketis. He is the father 450 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,960 of Anthony Ketis, lead singer of Red Hot Chili Patrick. 451 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,039 Speaker 2: Of course, of course they look so much alike. That's awesome. 452 00:21:39,079 --> 00:21:43,680 How about that? Yes, okay, So the original question is 453 00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:47,519 Murtaw the mentor or his Riggs the mentor? It looks 454 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,200 like Roger Murta until when they take his daughter, Riggs 455 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,079 becomes the mentor. Riggs has to be the one that says, 456 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,440 but we got to do it my way, we got 457 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:58,920 to kill him. 458 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, great point, great point. And then I would say 459 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:04,079 that Riggs kind of gives that mentorship back at the 460 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,079 end of the movie. Okay, Frankenstein goes back into the 461 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,200 castle at the end. 462 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,279 Speaker 2: Of the movie, right, Okay, So then We've got two 463 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,759 guys who cannot be good cops. They can be good cops. 464 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:19,279 You've got the scene with Tony. You won't hurt me. 465 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:23,440 Police officers have rules. 466 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what my captain keeps telling me. 467 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:28,759 Speaker 2: Smack. Now, even at that point, he wasn't trying to 468 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,599 kill Tony, right, that was just a happy. 469 00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:33,799 Speaker 1: Accident, really, that was he was very lucky. 470 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes. And then with you know, Riggs is obviously 471 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,160 got a bad habit of killing people too quick. And 472 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,119 so Murta is like, can we can we just question 473 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,559 the guy? I shot him in the leg. It's still alive, 474 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,400 you can question him. Okay, let'st I. 475 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,039 Speaker 1: Want to back up a step because right before Murtaz 476 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,599 shoots that guy in the leg, let's back up a second. 477 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:58,359 There's a suicide jumper that Riggs goes up to help 478 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,680 down right. His job is to bring him don and 479 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:04,400 Merto says, look, no guns, no jiu jitsu, just bring 480 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,279 him down. That's his instruction. So Riggs, as we know, suicidal. 481 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:10,720 This guy is clearly suicidal. He goes up and says, hey, 482 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,880 you want a cigarette, and when the guy reaches for 483 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,240 a cigarette, he cuffs him. And that's the do you 484 00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:20,519 really want to jump? Okay, And if you watch that scene, 485 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,920 there is a blooper in that scene that bugs the 486 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,839 crap out of me. Really, So here's the deal. When 487 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,960 Riggs pulls the guy off e, they're gonna jump. As 488 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,920 they jump, there's a slow motion where both guys are 489 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,359 clearly stunt men and they're both leaping. Their handcuffs break, 490 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:40,559 oh and they link hands. They like lock hands, and 491 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,599 I'm like, guys, can we can we try it again? No? 492 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: CGI, and you can't yea. So it was still the 493 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:46,880 best take. 494 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: Every time I watch it, I'm like that those cuffs 495 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,519 break instantly and they hold hands all the way down. So, 496 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,160 but that scene is great because you learn that Riggs 497 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,839 really is suicidal, right. 498 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 2: Because what follows immediately after that is Murta offering him 499 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,559 his gun, trying to get him to prove that he's 500 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,720 really not crazy. But what he does instead prove I mean, 501 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,359 gets his thumb caught in the hammer of the gun 502 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,880 as the trigger gets pulled. 503 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: That and I watched that with my son. He didn't 504 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,079 catch that until this last viewing. Yeah, and when he 505 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:22,000 sticks his hand, the hammer hits home and pinches his finger. 506 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: Yep. So yeah, I mean half second later and he's boom, 507 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,839 he's brains on the wall like full metal jacket. Yep. Okay, 508 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:35,240 all right, you're ready to talk enemies, Yes, okay, we 509 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,119 have in both circumstances, a bad guy and a bad 510 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,000 guy's number two, which might be worse than the bad 511 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:43,839 guy himself. 512 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:44,519 Speaker 1: True. 513 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,839 Speaker 2: Right, You've got Hans and you've got Carl. Hans' job 514 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,480 is to keep things in order. He's not concerned about 515 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:57,079 John McLean insomuch as getting revenge on him or anything 516 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,559 like that. He just wants to keep him from up 517 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:02,720 the plan. You've got to stick to the plan, right, 518 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:07,559 stick to the plan. And then Carl I want blood. 519 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Carl doesn't want neutral, he wants dead. 520 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,279 Speaker 2: And then for lethal weapon, we of course have the 521 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,720 General General Mcowster, that's right, who is ultra calm in 522 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:25,319 all circumstances. Right, and then we've got Joshua, who is 523 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,480 reserved in control but has the crazy behind his eyes, 524 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,759 which is why Gary Bucy was the perfect choice. 525 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: He was awesome that he's that albino jack rabbit son 526 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,640 of a bitch that shoots rigs. 527 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:48,559 Speaker 2: Right, okay, And so the distinction is on the enemies 528 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,720 here though, is in die Hard, You've got a whole 529 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,680 slew of bad guys, and they did really a very 530 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,200 good job of giving each of these what would normally 531 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,720 be just kind of faceless henchman names and personalities. 532 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: It's really true. 533 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, John is also, as I said just before, working 534 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:12,599 against Dwayne T. Robinson and Johnson and Johnson and Thornberg. Yeah. 535 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,519 I mean, he's got everybody in the world against him. 536 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,200 Here's the interesting part. You've got well trained German mercenaries, 537 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,440 and then you have well trained American mercenaries, and you know, 538 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,839 Diard versus Leath a weapon. But the superiors don't seem 539 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,720 to be against Mertaw and Riggs in this movie. It 540 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,000 kind of happens that way in the following movies a 541 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,880 little bit, not so much this one, and the other 542 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,720 police officers are helping out like this is. It's definitely 543 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:42,559 they've got some support, whereas John is acting completely on 544 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,079 his own, well except for Ellis. He's gonna help him out. 545 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:50,079 Speaker 1: John Boy, Hey, John Boy, Hey, you know one of 546 00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:51,960 the things I was gonna mention. You kind of brought 547 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,000 it up there. But in the Lethal Weapon movies, the 548 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,359 LA cops are not incompetent. In Diehard, the LA Cops 549 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,319 are completely incompetent. 550 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: Certainly Detective Dwayne t. Robinson, Well and Al Palell drives 551 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,119 a car. 552 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:13,279 Speaker 1: Like the turning a car and that Swiss cheese. Yeah, 553 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:16,079 but you got Dwayne t Robinson. The guy's coming in 554 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,640 the front door, clueless guy who grabs the rose sticker 555 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,039 on who. 556 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: The quarterback is? By the way, do we like THEO. 557 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,720 There's a lot of hate for the there and I 558 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:33,000 think THEO is absolutely hilarious. I love the fantastic When. 559 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,519 Speaker 1: He comes in his opening scene, he's like magic. This 560 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,880 is just to a c back to magic, over to 561 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,200 Kareem boom. Yeah, just he has that great interesting Hey 562 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,000 do you want to hear my Danny Glover invitation more 563 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:50,160 than anything in the world. Okay, I don't do invitations. 564 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:53,599 I got when invitation is very short. Danny Glover as 565 00:27:54,160 --> 00:28:00,759 Roger Murta, Yes, hey, rigs, he riggs, thank you, thank you, 566 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:05,400 thank you. That's all he said, is like a fifty times. 567 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,079 Speaker 2: He does do that a lot. It doesn't do that 568 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,920 a lot. Okay, So what do you think is the 569 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,039 lowest point for these guys, Like, what's the lowest point 570 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,440 let's start with John mclan what's the lowest point in 571 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,160 the movie. 572 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: When he's picking glass out of his bare feet. 573 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,799 Speaker 2: Totally agree, Totally agree. 574 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,519 Speaker 1: That's not an eighties tough man. When he drags himself 575 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,599 into the bathroom leaking blood everywhere. 576 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's that. I mean, have you ever stepped 577 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:34,000 on glass before? Oh? Yeah, hurts, Yeah, yes, it does. 578 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: All things being equal, I would rather be in Philadelphia when. 579 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: I step on glass. Yes, nice, nicely done. It is 580 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:48,880 a fly in the oit Mann. So at that point, 581 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,640 this is where he when he reaches that low point, 582 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,440 he has that moment of revelation where he realizes what 583 00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,160 a jerk he's been to his wife. And this is 584 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,440 the thing he talked about Jeb Stu realizing whenever he 585 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,440 almost got you know what, it gets hit by the 586 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,039 what he thinks is a refrigerator box. I mean it 587 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,799 is a box, but it's just the box, right. He 588 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,359 thinks he's gonna die, having just had a fight with 589 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,039 his wife where he knows he's wrong and is never 590 00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:15,599 going to have the opportunity to just say I'm sorry. 591 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,359 Speaker 1: The low point for Martin Riggs, Yeah, when he pulls 592 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,519 the trigger of the gun and murt Todd gets his handcut. 593 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,759 Speaker 2: By the hammer. 594 00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, like you said, half a second later, brains 595 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,359 on the wall. 596 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that for it to be truly the 597 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,559 lowest moment, there has to be the turnaround, Like, there 598 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:40,039 has to be the turnaround. And so I'm gonna say 599 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:45,400 after he's been tortured by the electric shock, because he's 600 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,079 just I mean, he's hanging defeated, he appears to be 601 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,480 dead and still manages to come back to life. And 602 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,799 I'll say this, the scene where he grabs the guy's 603 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,279 head with his legs is a bit absurd. 604 00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: It's absurd because the. 605 00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:01,279 Speaker 2: Guy's just letting his hands. Really, this guy's just gonna 606 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:02,680 let his hands hang back. 607 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: They need to register Riggs's ankles as leith. 608 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: Right, And so I would say that also Murta's lowest 609 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 point is that same incident. Right, they're both captured, they're 610 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,640 both tortured or beaten, and his turnaround is I'm ready 611 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,519 to break the rules. Yeah, I'm ready to do whatever 612 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,160 it takes to get these guys. 613 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Hey. One of the things I want to point out, 614 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,039 just a little tidbit, go ahead, a little side tidbit. Yeah, 615 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,920 I don't know how to verify this, but there's a 616 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,960 scene right after the suicide jumper, Riggs pulls down the 617 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,480 suicide jumper. Yes, Murta uses a mobile phone to call 618 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,680 the psychiatrist and says, look, this guy's really crazy. She's like, absolutely, 619 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,319 he's crazy. You should not be around him when he blows. 620 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:44,599 Speaker 2: Right. 621 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: My understanding is that is the first on screen use 622 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:50,279 of a cellular phone. 623 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's interesting. 624 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how to verify this. That's one of 625 00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:54,640 the things I read. 626 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: Interesting. 627 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,839 Speaker 1: You know what the internet is? 628 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,519 Speaker 2: You get me to drive? 629 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: No, you want a fresh cry? 630 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: Okay? And then again another parallel, the Triumph saving a 631 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,319 kidnapped member of the family. Right, yeah, both movies. You 632 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,680 have a kidnapping. Both movies, the heroes are related to 633 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,839 the kidnap victim and have to save them and paying 634 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,920 frea fantastic No, it's amazing. Love it. So that brings 635 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,000 me to the death of the bad guys. So let's 636 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,599 talk about enemy death in lethal weapon. Okay, death number 637 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,759 one is the general, right, Murtag gets the general so 638 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,799 to speak. My who was it? I think Caleb was 639 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,319 watching my eleven year old It's like he doesn't even 640 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,599 get to shoot him. Right, That was that was an 641 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,000 interesting thing. You know, He's he dies kind of of 642 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,559 his own. 643 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,319 Speaker 1: He flips the car, the car's on fire, and there's 644 00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:56,240 grenades laying around. 645 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: Right. It's his it's his own instruments to put him 646 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,519 to death. And it's his own arrogance that puts him 647 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:06,079 to death because instead of like taking cover or backing 648 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,599 the car back into the garage, they're like, let's just 649 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,640 drive as fast as we can at this police officer 650 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,279 who has to have a gun at this point. Right, 651 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,920 but you see him break down. I mean that death 652 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,599 scene where he's just panicked. He's lost all composure. 653 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,039 Speaker 1: It's there's a grenade by my face, yep, and I 654 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,480 can't reach it. Yeah, hey, right before that scene, just 655 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:32,400 back up just one second. So Riggs does the lethal 656 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,839 ankles on. The torture guy comes in, takes over, shoots 657 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,920 some bad guys. Joshua and the general get away. Okay, 658 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,279 Now the pursuit is on at this point, and he 659 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,680 rescues Rhann and Mercha. Yes, when they come out, they 660 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,920 go to the heavy metal dance club whatever it is, right, 661 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,960 oh yeah, and he. 662 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,039 Speaker 2: Just starts blowing people away, right, and like, nobody notices 663 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,279 right after they shoot the bartender. That was another thing. 664 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,680 I was like, why did people not start until like 665 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,240 the fifth guy died. 666 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:06,039 Speaker 1: Riggs just walks out and just starts shooting people. Yeah, Now, 667 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,519 we as the audience just take for granted that those 668 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,039 are bad guys. Clearly it's a front. 669 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: For They had a name tag on he said, bad guy. 670 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,079 It is all right. 671 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: Riggs just walks out and blowing people away. Hey man, 672 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:21,440 we're closed. 673 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. You don't have to go home, but 674 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,160 you can't stay. And then we have the death of Hans. 675 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,559 Speaker 1: The death of Hans. 676 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: So we talked about these movies being cowboy movies, yes, 677 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,640 and we'll talk in a bit about them being Christmas movies. Yes. 678 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:44,519 But you've got the hero at the end of his rope, 679 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,599 and what does he do when he realizes he's only 680 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:57,400 got two bullets? Two bullets, two bullets and two bad guys. Yes, 681 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,240 so you have the perfect end to a cowboy movie, 682 00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:05,759 a joke followed by a bullet in the head. It's awesome, 683 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:09,199 so awesome. So what does he do? He comes in 684 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,079 with the machine gun in his hand because he has 685 00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,559 taped his revolver, although I know it's not a revolver. 686 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,119 Folks don't know. Write in to his back with tape 687 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,519 that says, season's great. 688 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, more Christmas. Yes, yeah, absolutely, it's a 689 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,480 face off here it is. It's the show down. 690 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,039 Speaker 2: And to further emphasize the cowboy moviness of it all, 691 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,400 Huey Lewis gets the bullet in the head after in 692 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,320 the middle of his laugh jack funny joke. Actually, I 693 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,440 guess it's Hans that makes the joke. It is the 694 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:57,599 worst pronunciation of mother ever. What was it you said again? Oh? Yes, a. 695 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,559 Then Hans doesn't die right way. And of course the 696 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:06,360 damsel in distress has to be saved. And you know, 697 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,599 she's being pulled out of the window. And what is 698 00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:13,079 it that won't release from her hand? It's that Rolex 699 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,119 watch for that job she got. 700 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that Ellis was so intent on John 701 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,440 looking at the beginning. 702 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 2: Yep, so has to release the rewards of her women's 703 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,519 lib so that the cowboy hero can save us. 704 00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,159 Speaker 1: Right, quit your job, stay on with your husband. 705 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,559 Speaker 2: Is that the message? Yeah? Kind of is, right, kind 706 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,000 of is. But hey, you know what, that's part of 707 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,840 the reason that guys love this movie. All right. Well, 708 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,800 that does it for episode two of the Diehard Versus 709 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,559 Lethal Weapon. 710 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: All right, d The good news is you don't have 711 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,480 to wait that long. We're actually going to release episode 712 00:35:48,519 --> 00:36:08,679 three tomorrow. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.