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we're gonna go ahead jump into today's discussion. My guest
today is Pollo Gazarredi. Pollo, my friend, Welcome to the
Truska Podcast. How are you awesome, great, Uh, good to
have you again and you your research is amazing. You've
developed a lot of charts and tools to uh the
exploration of the unknown when it comes to the realm
of youthology UFOs and aliens and off world visitors or
maybe even on world visitors. So excited to jump into
this with you. And we talked a little bit about
what we wanted to go into the different alien civilizations,
if you will, and and the progress in the categories
that you've created to to kind of rank them and
rate them. So we'll go into that in a moment,
but I wanted to know, you know what before I
even jump into that, just kind of give people a
overview who you are, what you bring to the table
for those who don't know about your work. We'll start there.
Speaker 2: Private Organization for the Study of the UFO phenomenon to
say that properly, so, which is the chain throw Uphological
Nazionale c N. And I am also but this is
a much newer thing. I am the National representative for
Italy of iSER the Intonational Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research, which
has been founded this twenty fifth of May, so it's
rather new. So for the rest. I can tell on
a personal note that I've always been fascinated by mystery.
I mean, for me, life is a fantastic parenthesis in
a full immersion in a huge mystery, whatever however you
look at it. So of these huge mystery or mysteries,
uphology is well UFO and ET the two are the
two most important, most interesting for me. So this is
an for the rest. Maybe it can sound funny, but
I have never seen a UFO myself, not even health
UFO so to speak. But I mean I know that
there are so many, many, incredible amount of reports which
leaves any doubts aside. So I mean it's not a problem.
So I don't believe in UFOs properly. To speak, properly,
I know that they exist because there are and there's
an overwhelming, a huge amount of information which confirms this.
And this is the position of iSER as well. I mean,
the UFO phenomenon manifests a certain form of intelligence. We
don't know exactly what it is. It takes a lot
of research, still takes a lot of research, but the
UFO phenomenon is indeed intelligent, manifests undoubted intelligence, and very
likely is of ety origin. So this is my I mean,
just a brief general introduction on myself.
Speaker 1: So what got you interested in this mystery, if you will?
Was there something that happened in your life? Was it
something that you were drawn to to kind of get
you in this field?
Speaker 2: No, properly not. I mean it's not that I was
a horse riding to Damascus and then I was flashed
and I felt from Lord, No, no, not at all.
I mean, it has been how can I say, a
sort of a feeling that I always had that in
what surrounds us there is much much more than what
it seems. So and also the problem was that I
always had this feeling since I since when I can remember,
and I didn't find especially when I was young. I
didn't find any proper reply to this, because I kept
on wondering, how is it is it possible to this
this is really how it seems? It possible that this
is really how it seemed. And I kept on asking
the adults and whoever I found, but I never got
satisfying replies. So I kept on searching, kept on searching,
and well, I can say that I'm still searching right now.
I mean, it's a it's a never ending research. I
mean this, this life, and I think that the years
that still I will be still allowed, allowed to allowed
to live, I will continue doing this.
Speaker 1: Likely, so we'll go and to the uphology, and that's
the work that you're known for for the UFOs. But
but what what what other subjects are near and dear
to your heart? Is it the afterlife or ghost or entities,
angels and demons? Is it all of that?
Speaker 2: Mh Well, most yes, most of these, especially the subject
of life, the so called life after life or incarnation
if you prefer near death experiences, which I prefer to
call non authorize that deaths episodes, because it seems that
there is someone who controls if you are admitted to
the afterlife or not. And well, ghosts not that much,
angel angels and demons not that much as well. But
I mean, especially reincarnation or life after life is you prefer,
and ob is orb is out of body experiences are
things that and in general, not only ob is, but
the out of the ordinary capacities of the human being
in general ob E being the one which is most
interesting for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe that could tie into esp and psychic
abilities at all, any of that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, remote vision ESP you name it. I mean
all the generally speaking, all the the domain of the paranormal,
so parap psychology if you prefer, great, great.
Speaker 1: And so you say you've never seen a UFO. Now
have you had any any any experiences with with the
paranormal somebody who knew you or new things about you
and and ESP.
Speaker 2: Well, well, well, well I can tell you this concerning
to UFOs. I'm totally no in this case, concerning what
is normally referred to as paranormal.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I had some experiences, but I think nothing really special.
Many dejah views, many things that hint to a president
live even if I really hadn't until now, I didn't
have the possibility to dig properly, to research properly in this.
But I had many uh well deja vu and maybe
maybe one OBE once but I really cannot say. But
it's it's for me. It's mostly deja This is something
that I had in I I have had in many,
many different occasions.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, it's we're definitely kindred spirits one who are
who are into all? It all kind of ties together
a little bit.
Speaker 2: Right indeed. And I can tell you one thing, Gary, Uh,
when I did. Reiche was activated Reichy when I was
in Morocco, thing, and since when I was activated with Reiche,
I feel that, I mean my intuition, can I say intuition, yes,
or my sixth sense if you if you prefer, and
got a boost in this sense definitely. Now now I
am at second level of Reiche and and I can
confirm this, I mean, and by the way, Reichy really
was another of these things that made me, that con
firmed that in the world that is much more, much
more than what it seems.
Speaker 1: The way energy energy, right, being able to move and
question and tap into a prana if you will, or
reiki energy, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's basically I think you can say that the
reiki energy is prana.
Speaker 1: M h I think so too. I think it's the
same as the Holy Spirit even in the Bible, right.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, pretty much.
Speaker 1: So, this beautiful energy that's alive, right, it's almost intelligent,
intelligent even as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this is what is most astonishing for me,
at least for me understanding that that this kind of
energy is in is intelligent. I mean, it's not the
intelligence that properly normally we associate with human beings, the
rational intelligence. No, no, that's not I mean it's it's
it's a different kind. I think it's a higher kind
of intelligence, but it definitely has.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and and maybe we'll we'll tie that into
one of the topics that you cover with the spirituality
with e T and alien races. So let's get into that.
So you you've you've developed a formula or a map,
and you have a specific name for it too. It's
like a chart to be able to judge the evolution
of extraterrestrials or even humanoid beings or maybe spiritual entities.
There's different levels that that you've you've created that you
are observe civilizations right in this this evolution process. So
can you can you talk a little bit about that
and how it pertains to vology and and it would
I know it's going to open a huge bag of worms,
but let's let's just let's open it.
Speaker 2: Of course. Anyway, I can tell you this, uh, this
that we're talking about now is I call it a scale. Wow,
because it's it's really a scale, which because it's something
which is used to goag somehow to measure the development
of a civilization. Any civilization can be human, can be
it whatever. So this and this was developed together with
Roberto Pinotti, who is the most important thefologist in Italy.
And this for this reason is the scale has been
called the GP scale GPM from the initials of the
of the authors and this scale. The most important factor
of this is that this skill is a base is
articulated over three different parameters, so to speak, because this
scale originates from a specific consideration. Because with the Roberto
we discussed many times about these skills that had been
already developed for measuring the development of civilizations. The problem
with these skills is that they only take into account
one parameter. That is then scientific scientific slash technical development,
which okay, I understand, I understand the reason for this.
I mean, it's easy to go to it, easy to
parameterize it somehow, But that's not all I mean, because
civilizations cannot be measured only on this this base. There
must be something else. So we did a lot of
brainstorming with Roberto and we came to the conclusion that
at least two more parameters are needed, two more to
properly measure the development of civilizations. So we said we
have the scientific technical development, and that's okay. Then the
new one. The two new ones are first of all
the ethical moral moral or ethical level of development of
the society and the second factor. The second new factor
is the quality of the political association. If you will, so,
can I? If I can share my screen Gary, I
will show the the documents that we have prepared. Can I?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Now? Okay? No? Not yet? Okay?
Speaker 1: Should be should be ready?
Speaker 2: Now? I love you audio condivision see okay. So this
is the integrated scale of the evolution of civilization. Can
you can you see that?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay. So it has the logo of the
chain Ruphological Nationale here and the city Ita Italy, which
is a small thing tank within the chain Ruphological So
the authors you see is myself and Roberto N. Nottin.
So this dates back to two thousands eight, so it's
not properly really new. So, first of all, definition than
we have preambleved. So this is what I have said before.
To date, several scales have been developed to classify civilizations
civilizations and measure their evolution. The common characteristics characteristic of
these scales is to consider only one of the possible
aspects of civilization's evolution, in most cases the scientific technological one.
The authors believe that such an approach does not allow
to properly characterize such complex entities as civilizations, and that
a more faceted approach is required. The present work therefore
intends to define an integrated method, which from now on
will be referred to as the GP Scale, to classify
and qualitatively characterize the overall level of evolution of civilizations
as well as their progression in development. So it's not
only the overall level but also the progression in development.
The method is based on three factors that the authors
consider as fundamental in the development of civilizations, that is,
of any civilization. That is the technical scientific knowledge okay,
the ethical and moral sense, and the political dimension, thus
emphasizing in an implied but desired way, the importance of
an harmonious development of these factors. So we have the
three factors which are the base of this system. So
this is the definition of term development than the balance
I mean they use for this for this skill. And
the structure. The structure of the scale is based on
five levels. So we see here we have here we
have the on the first left column, we have the
general level GRATSI. Then here on the second column we
have the scientific technique development, then the moral ethical development,
and the level of social aggregate aggregation, that is the
politic aggregation. So we said we have five levels and
each level is characterized by specific assets. Of this of
these three parameters scientific size, moral, ethical more social aggregation sock.
So in the first general level is that of the
tribal societies. The second is the level of national society,
which is the one we are now. The third is
the level of planetary level society. The fourth is the
sub galactic level, while the fifth is galactic level. So,
as I said, each of these parameters scientific, moral, and
social aggregation have a specific asset which competes to the level.
For instance, now at level one, which is the tribal
we have for the scientific level we have the use
of rudimentary tools. All this source of energy is fired
the management capacity, the oral management capacity of the civilization
is about ten at the fifth watts per year, and
so on. At the moral level, we have an embryonic
ability to distinguish between good and bad, the behavior and
conscient and the conscience of the individual essentially driven by
animal instincts and is limited to their own tribe, while
at the social level we have simple social aggregation with
micro fragmentation at a subplanetary level and so on. For
a level two, we have extensive use of tools and machines,
automatic calculation, telecommunication, nuclear energy, rudimentary space travel capacity, and
overall energy management capacity around ten. At the thirteenth what's
per our per year, then we have morally speaking, we
have the potential ability to learn and apply universal moral laws.
The awareness of the effects of individual action is limited
to their own national or social group, and socially speaking,
we have a social aggregation with subplanetary fragmentation and so on.
For the third, fourth, and fifth level, we arrive at
the first level, where as sorry at the fifth the
galactic level, where we could expect conscious tools and machines
I mean machines with their own consciousness exploit the exploitation
of energy sources. At the galactic level, intra and extra
galactic travel capacities, and an overall energy management capacity approach
which is approaching ten at the fifteenth what's per year.
And at the level at the moral level, we have
an inner knowledge of universal moral laws and their unconditional obedience.
And then we have the fusion of individual awarenesses into
a single super social group awareness. And at the social
level we have the social aggregation across the entire galaxy
of origin galaxy of origin. So this, of course we
know Level one and two for sure, Level three, levels three,
four and five are of course nothing more than educated guests.
I don't have I don't sell any truth. I want
to strike this very well. I don't have any truth truth.
I don't have a review, I don't have any revealed truth. No,
this is just something. All this that you find here
in this which I am highlighting here, these are all
educated guesses that we developed with after a lot of
brainstorming with Roberto. By the way, Roberto Pinotti is a sociologist,
so he is very well in in. I mean it's
this is his own domain. So and this is what
we developed, by the way, and then sorry, then also
we have an ideal pattern of development, that is the
one which is shown here. Let me reduce a bit
so civilization that proceed along this level, and these characteristics
for any level are considered following a virtual virtual's path
of development, that is, a balanced developed development. Other civilizations
which could follow different path I mean whereby one or
two aspects are leading while there is one other aspect
dragging remaining behind. In this case, this is a non virtual,
non virtual development. So what is interesting to note also
is that for as we have seen, for any of
the three main factors, there are five levels. These five
levels work as a parameter because we can use this
parameter to characterize civilizations. That is, using the scale we
can attribute evaluating a certain civilization, we can attribute a
specific value to the scientific factor, to the moral factor,
and to the social factor. So in case we have,
like this exam point here a civilization which is at
level three scientifically, at level three morally, and at level
two socially, we see that this is not a balanced situation.
Of course, of course, there can be many different possibilities,
but in practice, very likely only a few of these
combinations are possible. That must be said. So this this
used this use of the parameters like we have seen here,
allow us to define the asset on the GP scale.
That is a sequence of three numbers that characterize numerically
the asset of a certain civilization. You see, we have
the GP prefix to indicate that this is a measure,
a measure done a measurement done with with our scale,
then we have the first digit is for the scientific factor,
the second one is for the moral factor, and the
third one is for the social factor. So it's also
possible to make how can I say, an arithmetic mean
In this case, we have three three and two, which
gives an arithmetic mean of two point six. So it
could be said that this civilization we are seeing we
are measuring now scores at two point six on our scale,
for instance, So it could be said that this is
a GP three three two civilization or two point six
as you prefer. So this is just a practical use.
So if the three assets are sorry, sorry to go
up and down. So if the three levels are have
all the same digit, for instance, instead of three three two,
we have two to two, that's called the balanced as
a balanced assets, and this is the ideal condition. So
if you have questioned, Gary, don't don't hesitate to ask,
don't don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really deep for me. I've been I've
been studying this the last two days and that and
not knowing this piece of the puzzle are usually of scale.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, these are all considerations that you can draw
upon the practical use of this scale. I mean, you don't.
The scale allows not only to define specific uh to
to to attribute a numerica value to the three level,
to each one of the three parameters, but also to
define a level and an asset, so that and then
a path of virtuals development for the civilization. So I mean,
but I mean it's I think it's easier said. It's
easier done than sad. I mean, because to explain this
it takes a bit of concentration. But in any case,
we have arrived. We have arrived here at the observations
on the practical use of the scale, that is, how
to use assets and level. So from the practical use
of our scale, it can be seen that the two
parameters on the scale itself. Of the two parameters, the
most informational is the asset, the one that we have
seen here like GP three three two, as it expresses
in a concise but sufficiently illustrative fashion, the main characteristic
characteristics of a given civilization. The level, on the other hand,
provides them even more concise information about the overall level
of development attained by civilization, a concise information necessarily obtained
at the expense of the informative contents. So this is
the asset and this is the level the asset shows.
More while the level is very very concise, then then
there are some considerations on the unbalanced progression in the
in development and its effects. Because when we have an
asset which is non harmonic, that is an unbalanced compilation
combination of the three fundamental parameters, civilizations can manifest different
characteristics on the base of the relative assets of the
three fundamental parameters and of the level at which this
unbalanced unbalance happens. Of the many possible combinations, we discuss
here only about the moral and scientific factors, as their
relative asset plays a very important role in the in
this context, and this is not just a theoric consideration,
but it's something that have very practical, very practical effect. So,
first of all, we have the predominance of the ethical
moral development or more, when at any level in the
development of a civilization, the moral is higher than the
sign more is higher than side. That is, the moral
development is more important that the scientific development. The moral
ectical factor prevails over the scientific technical factor. This means
that such civilizations manifest a greater development as well as
a fine knowledge of the spiritual and physiolophic, philosophical dimensions
of existence without possessing a comparable level of technical scientific development.
Such an arrangement, albeit unbalanced, does not preclude the development
of long lasting civilizations characterized by a good level of
negative entropy, which is, by the way, the concept of
negative entropy is I think, the most important concept which
is at the base of the being. The I mean
a being is an entity which is meant to developed
to develop negative entropy, and societies in general are entities
which are meant to do this collectively fight entropy. Then
we have the predominance of the technical scientific development factor,
which is which is a different story because when this happens,
when we have the technical development which prevails over the
moral ethical level, we can have problems. In addition, In fact,
in addition to a high probability of exerting an entropic effect,
such an arrangement puts the duration of the whole civilization
at risk, particularly in the critical passage from level two
national level to level three planetary level, where the so
called technological adolescence is manifested. It's more, it's practically where
we are now the acquisition of high scientific knowledge and
in particular, the large quantities of energy that this process
inevitably makes available may in fact lead on the path
of self destruction a civilization that has not reached a
suitable ethical maturity, be that by annihilation through mass destruction weapons,
or by extinction caused by the irreparable alteration of the environment.
And by the way, you see that we are close,
dangerously close. We as a human civilization of planet Earth,
have been very close to self destruction, nuclear self destruction,
and we are rather going already rather close to extinction
caused by the alteration of the environment, by the way,
So in any case, if at the same time this
arrangement is characterized also by the satisfaction of the scientific
is more than social relation, it means that the level
of political maturity does not keep up with the other
two factors. In this case, the risk of a premature
and violent death of the civilization is even higher, as
the divisions between the various nations or factions in which
the civilization's civilization continues to be divided into can easily
lead to conflicts that would be fought with weapons of
mass destruction of such a power to cause the annihilation
of the whole civilization. So it is the intention of
the authors to point out that the human civilization of
planet Earth presently manifests and imbalance in an important, though
numerically reduced portion of it, that is, the so called
first world if you will, if you wish, such im
balance sees the scientific factor sharply prevailing over the other
two in the light of the considerations expressed in the
preceding paragraph. The authors consider this situation to be very worrying,
as the lack of moral control over the scientific and
technological developments does indeed represent a concrete danger for the
long term duration of the Homo sapiens sapiens species civilization
on planet Earth. Furthermore, the lack of political unity in
this civilization can and indeed does lead to contrasts the
more dangerous as every more powerful destruction tools are made
available to political and military leaders. And this gary is
really the core of the matter, because this exercise that
we made, with this effort that we made with Roberto,
was okay to do exactly what we have done, but
also to shout out loud as loud as possible that
the path that we are on right now we as
a civilization, is not the good one. So now let's
see some practical cases of classifications classification of exo civilizations. So,
of course, since no exo civilizations are known todate, we
will now see some example of our scale, of how
our scale can be applied to some hip hypothetical civilizations
taken from the euthologic, euthhological culture, and science fiction literature.
So we can hear see scale. Can you see it clearly?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, So now we have here, we have only the level.
So here we have the Navi civilization of planet Pandora.
Maybe you remember that was primitive civilization. Yes, yes, the
Avatar movie. Sorry, the civilization, the Navi civilization was the
civilization of planet Pandora. So in any case, if you
remember the movie, this civilization of the Navis was what
we could call primitive civilization. So the GP the GP
asset is one two one in the sense that they
score and the level is one point three. So I
have the arrow point points more or less at level
one point three. Then we have the present earthly civilization,
that is us. We are at the level GP two,
which is here, then the earthly civilization as was described
in the movie Avatar. If you remember which was a
heavily unbalanced civilization, heavily unbalanced towards the scientific technological factor
and heavily lacking more. For instance, they were all concentrated
on scientific and technological developments, and their moral ethical level
was very low and from what it's possible to understand
from the movie. From the story of the movie, also
the political level was still at number two like we
are today. So they scored two point six on the level.
The asset is four to two two and the level
is two point six. Here, then we have a bunch
of GP three civilization. One is the one of the
planet Umo. I don't know if you are aware of this.
Carry which movie was that. No, it's not a movie.
That's well, I could talk four hours on this because
it's something that really interests me. A loto Is book
is a contact story, I mean, but not one to
one contact story. Is not even mass contact story, but
it's it's a particular story. But it's one which is
very well documented in the sense that to put it quick,
I will try to make a quick description. These the guys,
guys from this planet called Umo, which should be at
would be at fourteen light years from Earth. They discovered
Earth a la city that is receiving a radio signal
from Earth, and they wondered and seeing that these aliens,
that is, the terrestrial beings were very similar to them,
so and they were they were fascinated by our wild civilization,
which was so exotic for them, and so that they
started a long, very long term program for the study
of the planet, of the ecosphere, of the human civilization,
and so on. And at a certain point they they
felt the need to give back some of the knowledge
that they got from from the Earth, from the human
civilization of planet Earth, because it was typically a moral
it originated from moral consideration. That is, in a few words,
we have took, we took a lot, a lot of
information from you from your Earth links. Now we feel
obliged to give you something back. And this is how
this contact project originated. And what is interesting, Gary, is
that we have something which should come from these guys
from UMO, which is around one thousand and five hundred
sheets typed sheets. So it's quite quite a lot where
their their civilization, their planet is described into a lot
of details. I mean, it's it's a very complex story.
If you want, if you want, we can speak. I
have a very nice presentation. Ready I can show you.
Speaker 1: We'll do that. Listen. I'd love to have you back
just to break it down. But that was a great overview,
and I've got the books that would be here and
thanks for sharing that. So yeah good. What so so
what was their level?
Speaker 2: So their level was three? I mean three three three,
So because there there were they are as a civilization,
human civilization, I mean, because they are the the kind
of the Nordic alien kind so to speak. They have
which I mean their civilization is a planetary level civilization.
They have one single government, one single law. One. I mean,
everything is unitary in in their in their culture, in
their civilization. So they are at level three three three,
or just to put it simply, level three. This is
concerning the Umo planet civilization. In any case, Gary, whenever
you want to just tell me, I will be more
than glad to present this, this presentation on because it's
very believing, it's very interesting, not because I did it.
Speaker 1: Because even with this case though, there's just by looking
at the reviews, it's a lot of people love it,
believe it, and then a lot of people maybe not
so much. So I guess it had some screen.
Speaker 2: Yes that it's very complicated. I mean, believe me, it's
very complicated. Again, I don't have any any truth. I
don't sell any truth truth. Again. Also concerning UMO planet,
I speak normally as if it's something ordinary. I mean,
I say that the guys in UMO do this. Of course,
there is no certainty. The whole story is a big
question mark, big big one. But but there is a
huge amount of data, a huge amount of information. And
consider that this contact, this contact which someone has called
twenty years of close encounter close encounters of the postal kind,
because a lot of these information was sent through typed
letters over I mean, they use the system. Because of course,
the whole story started in the nineteen sixties, so there
was no other possibility other than hypewriting. Okay, in any case,
in any case, I mean there's a lot of there's
no agreement. You can very easily find the notion if
you do a search and Internet, you can very easily
find a notion that it's Can I say something which
has been staged by humans? I don't. I mean I
like very I like it very much. I find I
found the whole lot of information that made available very
very very inspiring, not only not only sociologically speaking, but
also spiritually speaking. Okay, but in any case, let's stop here,
because it's it's so complicated that it could it could
be very easily to divert from our team of tonight. Okay,
in any case, So in any case, you just tell
me when you're already, I will be more than glad
to present this. Okay, this presentation on. Okay, then we
add level GP three, that is an asset three three three.
We have the Circle Planet civilization. I don't know if
you are familiar with this. This is something which is
even more more or a big question mark, quite a
very very big question mark. It's it's a story where
I'm gonna say humans are where sent humans from the
from the US military were sent on a mission to
this over this Circle planet. And so they describe this
civilization which is again at the planetary level. They have
a very good a good level of moral development, and
they are I can say politically speaking, they are unitary.
They have one single government and so on. And the
same goes for the civilization of the Janos or genus
I don't know people, which is another story which you
can find in the in the internet. If you if
you do a search, and so they are also they
share I mean these three hypothetical because they are apothetical.
I mean I don't I don't maintain that no one
that any of the civilization is true. But in any
case they share the same level, the GP three level.
Then we have the CTR civilization. This arise from an
Italian saga, which is also the to which these risk
W fifty six also belong, because this is an Italian
saga which was called amichitia, which means friendship in Italian.
I don't know if you are aware of this gay,
but in any case, it's a it's a thing which
went on or a contact situation that went on for
many years in Italy, and there were a good amount
of people involved in this story. So this is highly
hypothetical as well, but it has been very well documented
documented as well, and this situation was characterized by W
fifty six that you see here, who score at the
fourth level of the GP scale. Because they are very
well the fourth level I go back here a moment.
The fourth level is the level of the sub galactic
civilization you see. So they score at this level. They
are they were, or they would be if you prefer already, okay,
for moving so quickly. So W fifty six were more
federation of different civilization who shared common characteristics, while these
CTRS civilization was in Italy at the same time. And
you note, you can see that the assets on the
scale is heavily unbalanced, because we have three point three
the level, but the asset is four to four, which
shows heavily imbalance in the sense that they were lacking
moral moral development, that they were very lagging behind in
terms of moral development. They were rather bad. Indeed, they
were rather bad guys. Now it's it's as as it
was for for the UMO civilization. Also for this these
two civilization, the W fifty six and the CTR. There
would be a lot to say, and it's not easy,
especially if you are not aware of this story. But
in any case, you said, you said, those two same stories, okay, yes,
these two the you can I mean, this is something
that developed, something that developed in Italy, a contact, mass
contact which developed in Italy in the sixties also which
is the distinct, very distinct from the UMO case. And
in any case, in the Italy, especially Central Italy of
the sixties came out the these W fifty six who
were the good ones, uh, and these ctrs who were
the bad guys, so to speak. So it was it
was a very complicated situation with a lot of witnesses
who witnessed, witnessed really strange, strange events. And these events
were also on the background of this on this ever
going on confrontation between between the good ones, the W
fifty six and the bad ones, the CTRS. So I mean,
but this this is just two in any case, I
used these two civilization as an example to show heavily
and balanced situation, a very very imbalanced in the sense
of can I say we could call them the bad
guys because you see four two four they are rather
developed scientifically, they are rather developed politically, but morally speaking
they score two which is very low, which is more
or less at the same level that we have now.
So this is an example of heavily imbalanced civilization, while
the W fifty six are four to four four or
just square squarely four, so they are more virtuous in
this sense. Okay, So this is of course, these are
the references. So this is the GP scale, and and
it's its use if you have questions, now I think
it's it's the good moment for them is.
Speaker 1: Uh, is this a book or is this just available online?
Speaker 2: No, it's just it's just online. I mean it's not
it's not written on a book. Uh, you know, Gerry,
I still have to work. Uh. And then it's it's
not possible to me to find the way to write
books for at least for the moment. Then when I retire,
which will be in one year more or less, then
I think I will have many ideas for for books.
But not for now.
Speaker 1: I've got questions. I just don't want to go super
far left for you. But but is there this is spiritual,
this is etherical? Is there something that guards each level
of progression? Like you can't you know the level ones
can become eventually become a level two. But they have.
But there's the code of ethics, there's you know, they
are weighed, they are measured to be able to step into.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Gary, I mean in the introduction, and I
did not expose this because I mean, now, I just
did a quick description in the In the introduction to
the scale, it's written that civilizations are not considered stable
entities in the sense that they progress somehow. Typically they
or the proper word is that they developed to development
is a change normally, is a change for goods normally,
But it could be change, I can say in the
bad in the bad sense, it can be a regression.
So I mean in any case, civilizations in this in
this work of ours, are not considered stable stable entities.
Can civilization constantly move? Typically they progress and and if
they progress in the way that is shown here, every
level has this capacity as these characteristics. This is called
virtual's path of development. If they if at a certain
moment one one factor the lag lags and remain lagging behind,
then this asset is not balanced. So it could be
how can I say, depending on the asset, on the
relative asset of the parameters, it can be. How can
I say more oriented the civilization? Civilization could become more
orient oriented towards the moral dimension, not taking into account
to the scientific development, or could be the country. I mean,
what we are seeing now in our civilization is that
we are taking more and more interest, We are giving
more and more importance to the scientific technique developments, and
we lag behind in terms of moral ethical development as
well as the political level, the social aggregation. We are
still divided into nations, into factions whatever you we we
and we are lacking in moral ethical development in the
sense that we cannot understand, we would do not understand
what we are at, the damages that we are doing
to our environment.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the we that you're talking about is the collective,
it's all of it's the micro, well, it's actually the macro, right,
But within that you have people who are having I
would say, a spiritual awakening, which is a moral awakening,
which is a social awakening. Like it's really obvious that
we're going through with the Bible would consider birth pains,
like something's about the change. There is some type of
expansion that's about to happen, whether it's good or whether
it's bad. And obviously there the more of the planet
that I would say, this is even a map of ascension.
This is a map of ascension from tribal animalistic nature
to galactic, heavenly divine nature. And you know we're going
through that process as individuals as well. And I feel like, yes,
you know there's a global awakening happening for us to
take our place amongst the stars.
Speaker 2: If you will, yes, yes, I do agree. I do agree.
Consider Gary that I mean, what is written here is
heavily statistical. All these information come from how can I
say consider them heavily statistical? Of course, societies are made
of civilizations, and societies are made of many, many different,
many many different individuals. Now what we consider here is
the overall the statistic with all the good and bads
of the statistical method, of course. But I mean because
when you take into account a civilization, of course, you
must necessarily use statistical measurements. Of course, because can I say,
nowadays the civilization of planet Earth is seven billions of individuals,
so it's necessary, it's necessary to use statistical means. So
in any cases, So this is something that can that
should be always remembered. We are speaking at very high
statistic level. I mean that we are speaking of scientific development.
But you know, okay, now we are we as human
civilization of planet Earth. We are here extensive tools, use
of tools and machines, automatic calculation, telecommunication of your energy.
But not all the members of the human civilization of
planet Earth, how can I say, are at that level?
There are there are good number of humans who are
still at the stone age or short off, while there
are others who who travel to space. You see but
this is I mean, this is just an example I
made to show that this is necessary and it could
not be otherwise. It's necessarily a statistic consideration. And there
is I just wanted to say one thing before I
forget there is we have seen here? What is it? Sorry,
I'm going up and down bouncing. So we have seen
the one, two, three, four, five. Of course, there are
no I mean at least that I know. There are
no civilizations at level five. I mean the galactic level civilization,
so at least that I know. In any case, there
is one thing that is interesting here, where some practical
cases of classification of exo civilizations are discussed, there is
the discussion of what we have seen before in graphical mode,
the various civilizations. One thing which is interesting is the
civilization of Ra. Are you aware of this?
Speaker 1: I'm not unless that's the channel material.
Speaker 2: So is that the law of one?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, you know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to mention this because we wrote
that lastly, the particular case of Ra, a civilization that
would have accomplished the whole cycle described in our scale
and then ascended an octave, undergoing a process that could
be described as a new experience of the living being
on a different and higher sorry, a new experience of
the living being on a different and higher plan of existence.
As such, this civilization cannot be classified using the GP scale,
finding itself by any practical definition of scale. So this
is something that I just wanted to mention because I mean,
I was this kind of civilization of right, something something
really out of the out of the extent of our scale.
Speaker 1: For a civilization to rise to the next level, to
ascend to the next level, if you will, is there
and you mentioned the raw material, you know, we hear
the number fifty more good than bad to actually bring
everyone up to the next level, whether that's as a
civilization or individually. What would classify Is it the majority,
which would be fifty one percent that readies for level three?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. As I've said before, it's it's a
statistical matter. I mean, it's a if you will, fifty
one percent is you you can put it as you
can characterize this as a statistic consideration, statistical consideration. But again,
in any case, this this scale that we have prepared
here is just to have an idea. Of course, there
are no there cannot be, can I see boundaries, srict
boundaries between the level between levels civilization progress. As I told,
we must we must consider it. We must necessarily consider
the statistical We must necessarily consider these civilizations under a
statistical point of view. We can we cannot do otherwise.
And this again, this is just to give an idea.
There are no strict boundaries, there are no no examinations
that have to be cast nothing.
Speaker 1: So so with that the the examination. So we've heard,
we've heard stories and again their stories, but that there
is a there's a level of virtue, if you will,
that for even for us to travel off planet and
to make our habitation in space, that there's a level
of integrity, a level of virtue that we have to
ascend to because it is it is a you know,
a three and above, like like you said with the chart,
like you have to everything has to be three. You
can't be a level of five civil civilization with a
level one moral as far as what we would call
evil aliens.
Speaker 2: Say, if I think of a five to one four civilization,
that would be a very highly developed, technically developed civilization
with a very bad moral level of uh. When I
say of integrity so to speak, and four it means
they are all the same. I mean politically speaking, that
they are all the same, so that that would really
mean the bad guys. Yeah, five one four.
Speaker 1: Do you think that those that that's possible if there
is a level of virtue that that must be attained, You.
Speaker 2: Know what, you know what, Gerry, I think this is
the reason why I think that the et who are
here or who arrive here, who travel up to planet
Earth cannot be bad. Cannot be intrinsically bad for a
very simple reason because those civilizations who develop in a
non harmoniously way, especially where the moral ethic level legs behind,
they are very prone to self destructions. So to put
it simply, they won't last enough to reach the capacity
of interstellar travel or intergalactic travel. This is why I
am pretty much sure that at least remember always statistically speaking,
those who are who come to Earth from from somewhere else,
who sorry, those who have the capacity, the technical capacity
two travel to do interstellar travel and intergalactic travel and
arrived to planet Earth cannot be intrinsically bad because if
they were bad, they with the level of power of energy,
not power of energy that the technical progress makes available,
they would have destroyed themselves. I mean, if they were
intrinsically bad. You see. So this is why, of course,
this is a statistic consideration that there could be there
could be someone who is who managed to reach the
interstellar travel capacity while be in in scauty rather bad.
That could be. I mean, it could happen. It could happen. Well,
so we should expect also that we should also consider
this possibility.
Speaker 1: Yes, the narrative, well, let's just say you said that
that civilizations can also go backward. It's not always about ascension,
because the spiral goes up and down. The spiral works
both ways, so a civilization can take a step backward.
Here's the idea from the biblical narrative of the fallen
angels that had their place in the stars but were
cast out because of their moral decline, and now they
have come to Earth because they are banned from joining
the heavens again because of their moral decline. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2: That could be? Yes, yes, it does. That could be. Well. Actually,
there could be many possibilities for regress I mean of civilization.
Think for instance, what happened, what could happen if a
big asteroid hit the Earth. We would be catapulted into
level one if, if ever, we managed to survive as
a civilization. I mean, a big enough asteroid could destroy
could huge, could cause enormous, tremendous destruction. It could really
precipitate the human civilization of planet Earth to level one,
I mean the tribal level.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's happened before, whether it was
Egypt or at Atlantis and Lumeria, for.
Speaker 2: Sure it happened. For sure it happened Atlantis. I don't know, really,
I can say it's interesting to see, you know what
getting concerning Atlantis. It's interesting to see those witness not witness,
those reports coming from past life, past life lives, lives regression,
because sometimes it happened. I mean, I've read in number
of books that sometimes people remember a past existence, for
instance in in Atlantis, for instance, that that could be
interesting to try to gather these reports and see if
there is can I say, a certain coherence in this
That that's something that would be really interesting to do.
In any case, I think that for sure, for sure
big asteroid has hit our planet since could be also
more than one in the in the ancient past. And
the problem is that it could it could repeat, Now
this is the problem. And and instead of spending a
huge amount of money of resources for the militaries, if
we really concentrated ourselves upon this kind of of space
defense would be much much better.
Speaker 1: Now, as far as far as balances, balance is key,
right to to to even a one one one. They're
gonna you know, they're gonna govern and manage themselves properly
as long as there's no imbalance. But now, as far
as ascension works, there has to be at least a
time period for them to be imbalanced, for technology or
moral But is it something that has to Can it
rise together? Can a two? Can a a two?
Speaker 2: Everything? Practically everything could happen even if I mean every
combination is possible, even though some combinations are impractically impossible.
I mean because but I mean if you consider, as
we have said in the introduction, that civilizations are moving,
and I like to say that civilizations are moving entities.
They do not remain stable. They tend to move somehow
most in most of the cases they tend to can
I say, to develop properly, that is increasing their negative entropy,
as I've said before, But sometimes it could happen that
the civilization regress. It could very it could happen. I mean,
even by some external causes like like the asteroids, as
I've said before, or for their own reasons. I mean,
you cannot say. And again again I want, I always
want to stress this because it is important. It's these
are statistic, statistical considerations.
Speaker 1: Now, who do you think is watching over humanity? I mean,
I think that you know, all of the Holy books
talk about the angels, at least what we would call them, right,
they seem to be ascended and and and that ascension
could just be galactic travel even one level of ahead
of us, right, it would they would essentially be gods
onto us. Right. But when we look at practical you know,
nuclear silos and and and and and UFOs, uh deactivating
missiles and and uh and even the like asteroids that
are coming. There's footage of UFOs fly through an asteroid
and breaking them up so that we don't have this
huge cataclysmic event. It seems like something or someone is
rooting for us to take the next step. Do you
think that that is.
Speaker 2: Good question? It's very very difficult to say. I mean,
considering considering only the extraterrestrials would say the physical extra extraresturals,
if you will, because I'm pretty much convinced that et
can be also non physical, but they can also have influence.
They can influence also if they want the physical level.
In any case, I think that there, indeed, there are
many many different civilizations on the Earth, on around the Earth,
below the seas and so on. So this is why
I don't like to call the Earth our planet. I
call it planet Earth, or the planet of terrestrial humanity,
just for this reason, because you may never know. They
could very well be here since time immemorial. It could
very well be because if you consider that, according to saints,
universe has fourteen more or less fourteen fifteen billions years
of age, while the Earth and the Solar system has
four and four or five billion, I mean there is
an enormous amount of time available for civilization to develop
and to develop very highly, and to get the capacity
to hop between the stars very easily. So this is
why I'm I say, I am convinced that there are
many civilizations from timing memorial here on this planet. In
any case, Yes, I think that very likely there, I think,
and in one sense, if you want, if you want,
I also hope that there are I mean bigger, bigger brothers,
so to speak, or wiser brothers that watch a bit
upon us and try to try to avoid them. I mean,
the worst consequences of our actions, of our ill fated actions,
if you will. But I couldn't say more actually because
I really don't know.
Speaker 1: Right And so there's a lot of theories. But I
think that a lot of this is connecting dots and
whether that's research, and whether that's studying, whether that's experience.
The idea of you mentioned the big brothers, I mentioned
fallen angels, the idea that humans Homo sapiens, are the
fallen angels that fell from grace to Earth and we
are on that ascension process. Our big brothers are watching
over us. They want us to learn, They want us
to choose love, to choose good, to evolve like they did.
But something happened and we were cast here. And that's
the theory that humans are the fallen angels that are mentioned.
But obviously we can we can ascend, we can choose good,
we can help people. We can't sup to us, yeah.
Speaker 2: Up to us indeed, indeed, And this is why it's
it's always important to remember this and to remember that
what we're doing now is not good for our environment
and our own species.
Speaker 1: So so how do we do it? Is again, is
it the many? Because again what I was talking about,
the you know, the ascension or the spiritual awakening that
the planet is going through. There are a lot of
people choosing love. There are a lot of people trying
to heal themselves and then heal each other. And healing
yourself is healing the others, and especially the more people
that do it, Mike on a micro level, the macro,
we all begin to heal. And it's this process that's happening.
It seems like the one some people would call them
the one percent that there are are are leaders or
the world governments and things like that who want to
keep who don't want us to ascend, who don't want
us to do that, that want to keep us divided,
that want us to choose black or white, up or down,
left or right versus this this oneness that that people
are starting to wake up to.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the oneness, I mean the way to go.
I do agree. I mean they I mentioned before the
case of raw and who calls himself the humble messenger
of the law of one and this I think is
really the way to go. This is really the way
to go.
Speaker 1: And what would you say about the Seth material? Do
you do you? Does that seem delusional? Does that? Does that?
Is there any credibility to that? There's some weird information
that came out of that one. Where would you start
with them?
Speaker 2: Wach material, Seth material, seth yes, which is a Seth material.
Speaker 1: Channel channel information? Richie? Can you uh, maybe I know
you know a little bit about that stuff? You studied
a good bit Jane Roberts channel by Jane Roberts. Now, Richie,
was that was that an alien civilization? A does somebodied spirit?
Do you know who that was?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no, sorry, sorry I missed that.
I want to I want to note I think she
refers to her as teacher. I don't know if it's
specifically off world though, Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I was, Okay, I just wanted to check
and see if you knew about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, No, No, I'm always I'm always eager to
learn more on this on this subject, yes, sir, Thanks.
Speaker 1: Well, Paulo. I I enjoyed this talk thoroughly. And uh
and I'm I'm too. Even though you had you had
it was right on the screen in front of me.
I'm still writing it down for myself, and uh, and
I've been a lot of things that we talked about
today have been things that I've been studying the last
two days on a really on a personal level. But
also what that that personal level is is also you know,
the micro and the macro of the balance. The balance
is the idea that we think we're supposed to be
more good than evil, But balance is really where it
is to to have this place of harmony that you
can't you know, you're you're moral obligation can't outweigh the
other other levels in your life, and so so good
in it connected so many, so many dots for me.
Let people know where they can go to find out
more about your work and connect with you what you
got going on. Let them know where they could check
out your website. You have tons of research and tons
of material out there.
Speaker 2: Yes, most of the things that I had, of the
material that I've published are in Italian because I am
Italian myself, so and most of my of my activity
until now has been in favor of my of the
my Italian fellow citizens. Who do not speak any other language,
which unfortunately are many. So this is why I do
this good will effort of doing these translations of UFO
research related documents. Typically, but now with i'm my activity
is becoming more more international in nature, so so I
will be doing something in UH and I already started
doing something in directly in English, which which can find
I mean, can be more easily understood. I mean, because
Italian can be easily translated with automatic translators nowadays, but
I mean when you find something directly in English is
much better.
Speaker 1: Well, you've done a great job today, and I'm thankful
that you did. And you did you did great. Before
we go thoughts on Billy Meyer and the beings that
he was supposedly in touch with.
Speaker 2: Good question, of course, good, good, Well, I think that
Meyer was like many other contactees of this kind, if
you will, I mean, we have a case in which
is the one of Zanfretta. I don't know if you
ever heard of him. He's a guy who how do
you spell that? Z a? I am Zulu alpha November,
foxtrot romeo Echo tango tango Alpha Zamfretta and he you
know what to him? Something very strange definitely happened. I mean,
there are three, there are proofs, there's evidence, there are
indeed that something really strange happened to him. The problem
is that, but I mean, I can understand. It's not
because I want to to talk, not because I have
a bad opinion on him, but I mean, I want
to be to be honest than straight. I mean, for sure,
something strange and very out of the ordinary happened to
him at the beginning. Then it's a bit like he
felt obliged to keep up the hype, so to speak,
and started saying things that are a bit out of
the out of the not out of the ordinary, but
difficult to be believed. I mean, something which really sounded fantastic.
So and I think that for Billy Meyer, something like
this must have happened. I have the most the more
recent news I have on him is that he lives
in a place where he's surrounded by by his followers
and is a sort of a commune, so to speak,
and it has become a sort I don't want to
say a sect, but sort off, you see. So I'm
convinced that he, like Zanfretta, has had out definitely out
of the ordinary experiences in the beginning. But I mean this,
I don't want to express a negative opinion, a negative
judgment on him. I understand that this happens, and most
of the times this happens not because of the persons
who are involved in this contact, but because of the
other peoples, of the other people who follow them. They
start to put out expectations and so on. So these
four guys who are the contact poor guys in the
good sense. I mean, they found they find themselves surrounded,
surrounded by a lot of people. Oh, tell us, tell
us what do you have, tell us whatever is newer,
and so on, always expecting news, always expecting something new,
that some new revelation, and so on, so that at
the end the poor contact tee ends up. I can
I see following them, even if, even if this is
not something that you would do. And I think that
in the case of Don Fritta and in the case
of Mayer, it's more or less more not the same,
more or less the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a lot of And I've been talking
about this a lot lately. If you get a chance,
watch the documentary. I've been telling everybody. It's on Netflix.
It's a documentary called Misha and the Wolves really really
good about trauma and making up store people who make
up stories and sell books and kind of things like
that too, even if they've convinced theirselves themselves of the
of the story. It's really interesting. But but I've interviewed
a lot of contact these on here, and they go
live with like huge, a huge audience, and I feel
like they're just again, even if it started from a
genuine place. They're telling you how the uh the propulsions
systems work for the spacecraft and what their diet is,
and they have all of this information, and every week
they have new information on you know, this this stuff,
And I really think that it muddies the water waters
because if there's one person who was really in contact,
maybe the uh um oh incident that you're talking about,
if that was real, then this other stuff muddies the
water and us seekers trying to get to the bottom
of the information, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know, Gary, it's it's a process. I mean,
it's the same always, the same story depends on the
other people. I mean also also considering religions. I mean,
we know, I mean to to to talk about something
that we know very well. I mean, we know Jesus Christ,
I mean, we know what he did. His figure is
teachings and so on. Okay, that's fine, but what is
the problem. The problem is not himself. The problem is
caused by those who came after him, Yes, who, Because
figures like Jesus Christ and other spiritual teachers of the
humanity there were people out of the ordinary by any means,
while those who followed them were indeed ordinary people, and
they could not cope to to really be at the
same level, and so they introduced spurious factors that that
changed the situation dramatically. You see the and this is
for practically all the religions. Have you ever seen have
you ever seen Buddhists fighting someone killing someone else? How
can that be a Buddhist who kills someone else? It's
it's it's absurd, But it's the same story. I mean
it's And also for the contactees, it's the same. When
they are when they end up surrounded by a lot
of people who are waiting eagerly for new revelations, for
new things, they feel obliged to to feed them with this.
Even even and doing this, they if they do not
have anything really concrete, actual to say to them they
must invent it, they must produce it somehow, and they
must fake it basically. And this is a problem. I mean,
it's not it's not to to to express a bad
judgment on contactees. No, this is not the case. But
I want to see, I want to say, I understand
that this happens frequently. It does. Indeed happen for It
happened for the threat that it happened for Billy Meyer,
and happen for many others who had people following them.
If you don't have any people, anyone following you, that
then you can you can remain pure, so to speak.
But if you have a lot of I mean I
understand even myself thinking if I started to say I
have the truth, I have any kind of truth, I
will find someone, of course, who will start following me,
and then some more, some more, some more, some more,
And okay, I can set forth my teachings blah blah
blah and so on. But what do you think that
could happen in a three generations from now? Do you
think that my teachings would would remain intact? Not at all,
not at all, even if my teachings were the spiritually
purest that you can even conceive what could happen in
by my followers in two general and just two generations,
just to not more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what this is. Probably has happened with
all religions.
Speaker 2: Right indeed, indeed, indeed.
Speaker 1: I'm actually scouring the internet right now trying to find
this name of ah. I believe it was a Italian
saint who supposedly was in touch with with the UFOs
and there's a there's a statue of him. I cannot
find it it was.
Speaker 2: I will send it via the chat. There was the name,
the name of this contactee.
Speaker 1: And he was he had there was recently made the
news because there was a kid who there was a
teenager who had his statue in his home and had
a lot of his writings and stuff, and the kid
disappeared and they were saying that.
Speaker 2: It was that it could have been where it.
Speaker 1: Could have been him leaving. But I think that it
was I think it was staged. So I don't know
if this is one thinking of Zanfreta.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: He was a saint though, you said, right.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, he was It was a
private guard. I mean he was a private guard. One
night close to the he was in the outskirts of
the city of Genoa in northern Italy, and he was
called to go and check at a certain location because
they had seen strange light. And his report reads that
when he arrived on the place, he found an enormous
being of almost three meters I mean tall, rather, I
mean with a rather ugly looking and he was picked
up by him and was brought in his craft, where
he was examined and so on, you know, the typical
abduction I mean forced abduction case rather typically similar to
many other cases of these kind, but I mean they
And he said that in this inside this craft, it
was really worn thirty thirty thirty two thirty three degrees,
and indeed it was found once very far away I
mean twenty thirty kilometers from the place where he was
seen for the last time, and he was it was winter,
but he was sweating, it was really sweating. And his car,
because in that occasion it was picked up with his car,
also was extremely worn inside and it was winter. I
mean really many many there are many many evidences of
these strange events that happened to this Zanfretta. So I
am pretty much convinced that he really lived the extraordinary experiences.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'm gonna have to look more into that.
So the kid that was supposedly abducted, I think that
it came out that he faked it, but I'm trying
to see. I'm trying to find the name of the
saint and I'm going to share this article with you
in chat. But the kid's name was Bruno Borges. So
there's there's the article, and there's also a Wikipedia. I
thought that it came out that it was found as staged,
but there was a saint that he was following that
was in touch, in touch with Aliens. I'm trying to
find that saint's name, Richie, if you get that name,
I just posted.
Speaker 2: The I'm checking myself as well.
Speaker 1: I think it was made in Brazil though.
Speaker 2: In Brazil, Yes, Bruno Borges, in Brazil, Ario, Bronco.
Speaker 1: There was somebody's that he was in.
Speaker 2: Ah, Giordano Bruno. It's it's the statue. You are you
seeing that New York Post article? No, I was, well,
it's not properly a saint. Giordano Bruno was a friar. Okay, yes,
he was a friar. Indeed who was burned at the
take in Rome, in the center of Rome in the
sixteenth century. Yes, exactly. But it's interesting because this Giordano
Bruno was and apparently apparently he had the capacity I'm
in judging by his reports, he apparently had the capacity
to do out of body travels, out of body experiences
exploring the universe. Because if you read what he wrote,
you really have the idea that he was capable of
doing out of body travels visiting the universe. So in
any case, he started. The problem is with the problem
with him was that at a certain point it started
to write down his ideas which were judged as heretic
by the church. So you can imagine in sixteenth century,
the Inquisition and so on, and so he handed up
burned at the stake in Rome. And no wait wait,
they were kind with him, because first they hanged him
and then they burned at the body at stake, so
they were kind to him. Wow if you will, poor guy.
And no, no, no, no, it's I mean what he
wrote is really really interesting because he he wrote, i
mean five more than five hundred years ago, things that
nowadays sound very familiar. I mean, there are plenty of
inhabited planets. There are many different planet planetary systems. Blah
blah blah. So I mean something that you nowadays, you
you find it normal? He that was was?
Speaker 1: He was? He a feelated with her meticism, because I'm
seeing that link to some of his work. I don't
know if he was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, really, I don't know. Really, I cannot say,
I cannot say nice. Nice.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do more more digging on this, but definitely
check out that kid. In the first one, the student,
so he had bought the shoe statue of him and
had like cryptic writings and Bible phrases about aliens and stuff,
stuff that says that he uh. A video by Globe
dot Com shows a giant statue of the sixteenth century
philosopher Giardo Bruno, who was one of the first to
believe that aliens could exist on other planets, which the
kid bought for almost three thousand dollars in a corner
painted portrait of bores with a green eyed alien in another.
So follow that story. If he faked it, it would
still be a good interview to see why and see
his love for this philosopher.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting. I don't know, by
the way, in any case, Jordano Bruno was really a
remarkable figure.
Speaker 1: Indeed, I'm gonna do more research on it, so check
it out. Yeah, I gets at the bottom of it. Polo.
Thank you for coming on, brother h Man. I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Gary, my pleasure, you know.
Speaker 1: Digging through this with you and uh so good. And
I'm gonna have to go back and watch it. And
even if you if you had that that uh uh
you know, those twenty one pages available in a pamphlet
to sell on Amazon, just I you know, I would
would buy it. And I know a lot of people
would just to have a physical copy that we can
reference versus having to go to the internet. You know.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, Getty, I sent you. I sent you
the link hd t ps ct Italia dot org. You
just go there and print it and you have it
and you have it physically printed.
Speaker 1: Hey, there we go. There we go again, Polo, thanks
for coming on. Anytime you want to do it again,
my pleasure. I'd love to have you.
Speaker 2: So I told you would be. I have a very
nice presentation on the UMO case, which which I think
it deserves good to be known. Appropriately for sure, even
if it's a big question mark, because they told you.
Speaker 1: All of all of it's a question mark, right, even
the Bible and even the fallen Angels and all of
the stuff that people claim to know, it's still a
question mark. So we are the seekers. We are the
ones to unveil hidden truth. So I'll send you my
calendar and whenever you want to book it, we'll get
you back on. And what we will do a show
dedicated to the beings. Brother, thanks for coming on and
I really enjoyed it. We'll do you many blessings.
Speaker 2: Thank you, by getty, thank you.
Speaker 1: My, my, my. Listen, y'all, I don't know what you
guys thought. We're not int just yet. Come on, don't
push that button, listen. I enjoyed this like I enjoyed this,
and this has been up right up my alley because
of something I've been studying for the last couple of
days and was the spiritual definitely the spiritual aspect, the
micro aspect, but also what he brought to the table
was the macro. I've been I've been doing some intent
I've been doing some intense work the last couple of days.
And uh, and you guys are gonna you guys are
gonna see some of the information that that I have
been given, some of the revelation that it's just been
amazing to me. I've been in tears. I've been listen, God,
I'm just there's been automatic writing. There's been the Holy
Spirit watching over me, coming in my room, telling me
what to write, and I couldn't write it down fast enough.
The last two days have been insane. I've been I
was given a piece of a puzzle. I took that
piece and I was obedient and faithful with it. And
when I did that, downloads upon downloads that I have.
I have never experienced this now. I I haven't been
a Bible teacher. I've been one that more so just
taught you know it, teaches it in conversation, even though
my heart is to prove these things in scripture and
to kind of give you an example and a grid
on how what I would call biblically, how the sanctification
process works. And the sanctification process is to get you
to ascend. It is how to activate the light body.
It is through enter contemplation, it is through breath work,
but it is that going within and weighing your thoughts.
So this this conversation and every even this scale that
he created. Listen, I've I've got all of these scriptures
on scales and on weighing and how God weighs our
heart and even the process that he does it something
you probably never heard before. It's tied into astro theology.
I'm giving you guys a little bit bit of it.
And the weird thing about trying to articulate this stuff
is that it all ties together. And there's so many subjects,
but they they're all cohesive. And I'm and so I
would say the next coming weeks and and coming months,
I'm excited to to get more revelation and to spend
more time studying, but but on time unpacking it the
best I can. And so just as Polow was was
breaking this down for us with the ascension process, as
he was breaking you down the ascension process, now he didn't.
It was more so of uh planetary ascension civilizations to
go beyond tribal to go to the next level. And
there's and there's three keys to to break it down
to a sin that you got to get all of
them down to go to the next levels. You don't
have the spiritual technology to go to the next level.
You may have the moral technology, you may have the
social technology or the political technology, but you got to
have this spiritual or the technological. You have to be
able to learn your body. You have to be able
to know yourself, to be in touch and be in
tuned when the mind and body become as one and
so listen. I don't know how much I should share here,
but this is a process that we go through every night.
Every night when you lay your head on your pillow,
you're going through what we call the courts of heaven.
Court is being held on which demons and which angels
are able to approach you the next day. What you're
able to go through every night that you lay your
head on your pillow, you're going through these cycles. You're
going through the watches of the Lord. There's four watches,
and we're going through those cycles. We know the witching
hour is the darkest part of the night, which is
around midnight. Midnight is the second watch, and it is
the witching hour, and those spirits are loosed onto the earth. Listen,
we know that in witchcraft, we know that in Jewish mystices.
But it's the darkest part. It is the cross when
Jesus died and then he rose again with the cocks crow,
or the rising of the sun. So you're coming out
of your darkness, you're being tried, and then the light
of Christ is rising within you for that morning sun
to rise in your hearts. As the morning star rises
or as the day star rises, you get the light.
You're able to see. That light helps you navigate through
the night, through the darkness, the dark night of the soul.
And just as we're talking about individually, we're going through
this individually every day twenty four hour period. But it's
governed by the sun. It's astro theology, but it's also
governed by the moon every month, and then it's governed
by the stars every year. And the Lord has just
been giving me all of this revelation. And it's not
just the head knowledge, because there's scriptures upon scriptures, and
the Bible is changing, the Bible is orphing it and
taking new. Everything's taken new. Meaning this is a supernatural
encounter that I've been having the last couple of days.
It sounds like a bit of psychosis. And if you
can't explain it, and if you can't teach it and
articulate it. Then it is so I pray that I'm
able to teach it and to share it in such
ways that that I've known a lot of it. It's
part of what I've been studying. It's what my book
was about, but only a piece that there is courts
in heaven that Satan and the angels and the spirits
approach God every night wanting to come down and visit
you and to tempt you and to try you. It
is a court hearing. It is legal ground. It is
legal room that you've You've made for those beings, for
those entities to come, the blessings and the curses. So
I can give overviews. I've been given overviews. But this
has just been something that's really near and dear to
my heart, and I thought it was very synchronistic that
I talked to Paulo today that there's even some more
pieces to these levels of ascension. It is how to
activate your light body. Why, because you're getting light within you,
you're getting the darkness out of your heart. You got
to get the darkness out for the light to come in.
And what does the light do? It helps you navigate
through the night. It is the parable of the ten versins. Well,
only a couple of them did the inner work, who
submitted to that sanctification process, and they had oil within
their lamp. You have to be trampled, you have to
go through this grinding process to be refined by the
refiner's fire. And that's the fire, that's the light, that's
the oil that helps you navigate through the night. It
is submitting to the word of God. It is submitting
to the spirit of God that dwells in it lives
in each and every one of us, so that he
can make a home with it. You get so full
of God that all of those other things are exterminated,
those other areas of your life. The planetary ascension, in
the ascending of your planet. You are a world. You
are a world that you govern yourself. The Kingdom of
Heaven is within you. And there's many rooms. There's many portals.
In my father's house, there are many mansions, there are
many rooms, but I've gone to prepare a place for you.
Jesus was the perfect example. That's why he became the
first born among many brethren. And he is the chief cornerstone,
the chief cornerstone that has laid made out of gold
because it's been tried by the fire. He's been tempted
in every way and pasted every test is send it
and he is the chief cornerstone that we build upon.
And if you build upon that, everything that can be
will be shaken. Every day, every night when you lay
your head on your pillow, this process happens, but even
another one every week, every month, every year, in every decade,
and also every age. We're gonna break this down. I
hope that it does not fall upon deaf ears, and
I hope that I'm able to apply it to my
life first and then articulate it and share it. So
with that being said, guys, I'm going to jump off here.
I got another interview to do here in a little while.
I'm going to be on a lot of different podcast
in the next couple of weeks, a bunch of stuff
going on, and so I want to say hello and
welcome all of the new listeners. As I've been doing
other podcasts the last week, we've gone up a good
bit of new subscribe who are new to the channel,
who are new to the podcast. So I just want
to welcome you to Gary's podcast, and I love you
so much and I'm glad that you're here with us
and you're part of this journey. So with that, I'm
gonna say peace and shaloon. We're gonna do it again
very soon, guys. Peace, Peace and shaloon. Peace, Joe, so much,
so much, so.
Speaker 2: Much, so much.
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