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Speaker 1: Breck. All right, welcome to the Truth Seeker Podcast, ladies

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and gentlemen, and excited and delighted to be with you guys.

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As always, it's to start the show man. I'm happy

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back and forth from the heavens to the Earth and

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transcend space and time and different places of the galaxy,

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maybe inside of our Earth. There's so many theories and

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we're gonna go ahead jump into today's discussion. My guest

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today is Pollo Gazarredi. Pollo, my friend, Welcome to the

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Truska Podcast. How are you awesome, great, Uh, good to

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have you again and you your research is amazing. You've

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developed a lot of charts and tools to uh the

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exploration of the unknown when it comes to the realm

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of youthology UFOs and aliens and off world visitors or

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maybe even on world visitors. So excited to jump into

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this with you. And we talked a little bit about

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what we wanted to go into the different alien civilizations,

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if you will, and and the progress in the categories

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that you've created to to kind of rank them and

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rate them. So we'll go into that in a moment,

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but I wanted to know, you know what before I

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even jump into that, just kind of give people a

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overview who you are, what you bring to the table

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for those who don't know about your work. We'll start there.

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Speaker 2: Private Organization for the Study of the UFO phenomenon to

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say that properly, so, which is the chain throw Uphological

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Nazionale c N. And I am also but this is

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a much newer thing. I am the National representative for

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Italy of iSER the Intonational Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research, which

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has been founded this twenty fifth of May, so it's

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rather new. So for the rest. I can tell on

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a personal note that I've always been fascinated by mystery.

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I mean, for me, life is a fantastic parenthesis in

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a full immersion in a huge mystery, whatever however you

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look at it. So of these huge mystery or mysteries,

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uphology is well UFO and ET the two are the

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two most important, most interesting for me. So this is

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an for the rest. Maybe it can sound funny, but

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I have never seen a UFO myself, not even health

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UFO so to speak. But I mean I know that

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there are so many, many, incredible amount of reports which

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leaves any doubts aside. So I mean it's not a problem.

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So I don't believe in UFOs properly. To speak, properly,

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I know that they exist because there are and there's

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an overwhelming, a huge amount of information which confirms this.

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the UFO phenomenon manifests a certain form of intelligence. We

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don't know exactly what it is. It takes a lot

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of research, still takes a lot of research, but the

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UFO phenomenon is indeed intelligent, manifests undoubted intelligence, and very

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likely is of ety origin. So this is my I mean,

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just a brief general introduction on myself.

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Speaker 1: So what got you interested in this mystery, if you will?

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something that you were drawn to to kind of get

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you in this field?

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Speaker 2: No, properly not. I mean it's not that I was

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a horse riding to Damascus and then I was flashed

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and I felt from Lord, No, no, not at all.

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sort of a feeling that I always had that in

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what surrounds us there is much much more than what

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it seems. So and also the problem was that I

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always had this feeling since I since when I can remember,

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and I didn't find especially when I was young. I

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didn't find any proper reply to this, because I kept

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on wondering, how is it is it possible to this

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this is really how it seems? It possible that this

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is really how it seemed. And I kept on asking

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the adults and whoever I found, but I never got

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satisfying replies. So I kept on searching, kept on searching,

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and well, I can say that I'm still searching right now.

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I mean, it's a it's a never ending research. I

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mean this, this life, and I think that the years

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that still I will be still allowed, allowed to allowed

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to live, I will continue doing this.

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Speaker 1: Likely, so we'll go and to the uphology, and that's

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the work that you're known for for the UFOs. But

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but what what what other subjects are near and dear

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to your heart? Is it the afterlife or ghost or entities,

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angels and demons? Is it all of that?

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Speaker 2: Mh Well, most yes, most of these, especially the subject

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of life, the so called life after life or incarnation

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if you prefer near death experiences, which I prefer to

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call non authorize that deaths episodes, because it seems that

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there is someone who controls if you are admitted to

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the afterlife or not. And well, ghosts not that much,

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angel angels and demons not that much as well. But

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I mean, especially reincarnation or life after life is you prefer,

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and ob is orb is out of body experiences are

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things that and in general, not only ob is, but

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the out of the ordinary capacities of the human being

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in general ob E being the one which is most

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interesting for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe that could tie into esp and psychic

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abilities at all, any of that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, remote vision ESP you name it. I mean

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all the generally speaking, all the the domain of the paranormal,

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so parap psychology if you prefer, great, great.

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Speaker 1: And so you say you've never seen a UFO. Now

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have you had any any any experiences with with the

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paranormal somebody who knew you or new things about you

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and and ESP.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, well I can tell you this concerning

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to UFOs. I'm totally no in this case, concerning what

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is normally referred to as paranormal.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I had some experiences, but I think nothing really special.

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Many dejah views, many things that hint to a president

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live even if I really hadn't until now, I didn't

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have the possibility to dig properly, to research properly in this.

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But I had many uh well deja vu and maybe

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maybe one OBE once but I really cannot say. But

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it's it's for me. It's mostly deja This is something

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that I had in I I have had in many,

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many different occasions.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, it's we're definitely kindred spirits one who are

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who are into all? It all kind of ties together

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a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Right indeed. And I can tell you one thing, Gary, Uh,

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when I did. Reiche was activated Reichy when I was

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in Morocco, thing, and since when I was activated with Reiche,

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I feel that, I mean my intuition, can I say intuition, yes,

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or my sixth sense if you if you prefer, and

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got a boost in this sense definitely. Now now I

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am at second level of Reiche and and I can

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confirm this, I mean, and by the way, Reichy really

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was another of these things that made me, that con

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firmed that in the world that is much more, much

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more than what it seems.

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Speaker 1: The way energy energy, right, being able to move and

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question and tap into a prana if you will, or

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reiki energy, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's basically I think you can say that the

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reiki energy is prana.

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Speaker 1: M h I think so too. I think it's the

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same as the Holy Spirit even in the Bible, right.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, pretty much.

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Speaker 1: So, this beautiful energy that's alive, right, it's almost intelligent,

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intelligent even as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this is what is most astonishing for me,

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at least for me understanding that that this kind of

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energy is in is intelligent. I mean, it's not the

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intelligence that properly normally we associate with human beings, the

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rational intelligence. No, no, that's not I mean it's it's

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it's a different kind. I think it's a higher kind

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of intelligence, but it definitely has.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and and maybe we'll we'll tie that into

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one of the topics that you cover with the spirituality

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with e T and alien races. So let's get into that.

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So you you've you've developed a formula or a map,

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and you have a specific name for it too. It's

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like a chart to be able to judge the evolution

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of extraterrestrials or even humanoid beings or maybe spiritual entities.

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There's different levels that that you've you've created that you

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are observe civilizations right in this this evolution process. So

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can you can you talk a little bit about that

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and how it pertains to vology and and it would

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I know it's going to open a huge bag of worms,

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but let's let's just let's open it.

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Speaker 2: Of course. Anyway, I can tell you this, uh, this

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that we're talking about now is I call it a scale. Wow,

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because it's it's really a scale, which because it's something

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which is used to goag somehow to measure the development

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of a civilization. Any civilization can be human, can be

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it whatever. So this and this was developed together with

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Roberto Pinotti, who is the most important thefologist in Italy.

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And this for this reason is the scale has been

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called the GP scale GPM from the initials of the

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of the authors and this scale. The most important factor

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of this is that this skill is a base is

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articulated over three different parameters, so to speak, because this

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scale originates from a specific consideration. Because with the Roberto

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we discussed many times about these skills that had been

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already developed for measuring the development of civilizations. The problem

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with these skills is that they only take into account

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one parameter. That is then scientific scientific slash technical development,

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which okay, I understand, I understand the reason for this.

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I mean, it's easy to go to it, easy to

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parameterize it somehow, But that's not all I mean, because

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civilizations cannot be measured only on this this base. There

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must be something else. So we did a lot of

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brainstorming with Roberto and we came to the conclusion that

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at least two more parameters are needed, two more to

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properly measure the development of civilizations. So we said we

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have the scientific technical development, and that's okay. Then the

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new one. The two new ones are first of all

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the ethical moral moral or ethical level of development of

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the society and the second factor. The second new factor

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is the quality of the political association. If you will, so,

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can I? If I can share my screen Gary, I

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will show the the documents that we have prepared. Can I?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Now? Okay? No? Not yet? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Should be should be ready?

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Speaker 2: Now? I love you audio condivision see okay. So this

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is the integrated scale of the evolution of civilization. Can

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you can you see that?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay. So it has the logo of the

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chain Ruphological Nationale here and the city Ita Italy, which

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is a small thing tank within the chain Ruphological So

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the authors you see is myself and Roberto N. Nottin.

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So this dates back to two thousands eight, so it's

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not properly really new. So, first of all, definition than

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we have preambleved. So this is what I have said before.

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To date, several scales have been developed to classify civilizations

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civilizations and measure their evolution. The common characteristics characteristic of

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these scales is to consider only one of the possible

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aspects of civilization's evolution, in most cases the scientific technological one.

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The authors believe that such an approach does not allow

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to properly characterize such complex entities as civilizations, and that

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a more faceted approach is required. The present work therefore

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intends to define an integrated method, which from now on

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will be referred to as the GP Scale, to classify

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and qualitatively characterize the overall level of evolution of civilizations

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as well as their progression in development. So it's not

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only the overall level but also the progression in development.

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The method is based on three factors that the authors

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consider as fundamental in the development of civilizations, that is,

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of any civilization. That is the technical scientific knowledge okay,

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the ethical and moral sense, and the political dimension, thus

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emphasizing in an implied but desired way, the importance of

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an harmonious development of these factors. So we have the

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three factors which are the base of this system. So

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this is the definition of term development than the balance

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I mean they use for this for this skill. And

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the structure. The structure of the scale is based on

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five levels. So we see here we have here we

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have the on the first left column, we have the

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general level GRATSI. Then here on the second column we

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have the scientific technique development, then the moral ethical development,

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and the level of social aggregate aggregation, that is the

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politic aggregation. So we said we have five levels and

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each level is characterized by specific assets. Of this of

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these three parameters scientific size, moral, ethical more social aggregation sock.

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So in the first general level is that of the

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tribal societies. The second is the level of national society,

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which is the one we are now. The third is

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the level of planetary level society. The fourth is the

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sub galactic level, while the fifth is galactic level. So,

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as I said, each of these parameters scientific, moral, and

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social aggregation have a specific asset which competes to the level.

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For instance, now at level one, which is the tribal

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we have for the scientific level we have the use

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of rudimentary tools. All this source of energy is fired

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the management capacity, the oral management capacity of the civilization

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is about ten at the fifth watts per year, and

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so on. At the moral level, we have an embryonic

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ability to distinguish between good and bad, the behavior and

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conscient and the conscience of the individual essentially driven by

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animal instincts and is limited to their own tribe, while

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at the social level we have simple social aggregation with

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micro fragmentation at a subplanetary level and so on. For

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a level two, we have extensive use of tools and machines,

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automatic calculation, telecommunication, nuclear energy, rudimentary space travel capacity, and

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overall energy management capacity around ten. At the thirteenth what's

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per our per year, then we have morally speaking, we

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have the potential ability to learn and apply universal moral laws.

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The awareness of the effects of individual action is limited

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to their own national or social group, and socially speaking,

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we have a social aggregation with subplanetary fragmentation and so on.

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the first level, where as sorry at the fifth the

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galactic level, where we could expect conscious tools and machines

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I mean machines with their own consciousness exploit the exploitation

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of energy sources. At the galactic level, intra and extra

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galactic travel capacities, and an overall energy management capacity approach

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which is approaching ten at the fifteenth what's per year.

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an inner knowledge of universal moral laws and their unconditional obedience.

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And then we have the fusion of individual awarenesses into

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a single super social group awareness. And at the social

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level we have the social aggregation across the entire galaxy

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of origin galaxy of origin. So this, of course we

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know Level one and two for sure, Level three, levels three,

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four and five are of course nothing more than educated guests.

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I don't have I don't sell any truth. I want

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to strike this very well. I don't have any truth truth.

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I don't have a review, I don't have any revealed truth. No,

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this is just something. All this that you find here

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in this which I am highlighting here, these are all

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educated guesses that we developed with after a lot of

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brainstorming with Roberto. By the way, Roberto Pinotti is a sociologist,

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so he is very well in in. I mean it's

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this is his own domain. So and this is what

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we developed, by the way, and then sorry, then also

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we have an ideal pattern of development, that is the

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one which is shown here. Let me reduce a bit

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so civilization that proceed along this level, and these characteristics

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for any level are considered following a virtual virtual's path

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of development, that is, a balanced developed development. Other civilizations

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which could follow different path I mean whereby one or

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two aspects are leading while there is one other aspect

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dragging remaining behind. In this case, this is a non virtual,

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non virtual development. So what is interesting to note also

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is that for as we have seen, for any of

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the three main factors, there are five levels. These five

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levels work as a parameter because we can use this

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parameter to characterize civilizations. That is, using the scale we

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can attribute evaluating a certain civilization, we can attribute a

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specific value to the scientific factor, to the moral factor,

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and to the social factor. So in case we have,

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like this exam point here a civilization which is at

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level three scientifically, at level three morally, and at level

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two socially, we see that this is not a balanced situation.

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Of course, of course, there can be many different possibilities,

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but in practice, very likely only a few of these

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combinations are possible. That must be said. So this this

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used this use of the parameters like we have seen here,

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allow us to define the asset on the GP scale.

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That is a sequence of three numbers that characterize numerically

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the asset of a certain civilization. You see, we have

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the GP prefix to indicate that this is a measure,

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a measure done a measurement done with with our scale,

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then we have the first digit is for the scientific factor,

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the second one is for the moral factor, and the

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third one is for the social factor. So it's also

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possible to make how can I say, an arithmetic mean

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In this case, we have three three and two, which

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gives an arithmetic mean of two point six. So it

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could be said that this civilization we are seeing we

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are measuring now scores at two point six on our scale,

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for instance, So it could be said that this is

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a GP three three two civilization or two point six

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as you prefer. So this is just a practical use.

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So if the three assets are sorry, sorry to go

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up and down. So if the three levels are have

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all the same digit, for instance, instead of three three two,

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we have two to two, that's called the balanced as

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a balanced assets, and this is the ideal condition. So

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if you have questioned, Gary, don't don't hesitate to ask,

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don't don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really deep for me. I've been I've

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been studying this the last two days and that and

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not knowing this piece of the puzzle are usually of scale.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, these are all considerations that you can draw

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upon the practical use of this scale. I mean, you don't.

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The scale allows not only to define specific uh to

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to to attribute a numerica value to the three level,

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to each one of the three parameters, but also to

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define a level and an asset, so that and then

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a path of virtuals development for the civilization. So I mean,

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but I mean it's I think it's easier said. It's

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easier done than sad. I mean, because to explain this

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it takes a bit of concentration. But in any case,

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we have arrived. We have arrived here at the observations

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on the practical use of the scale, that is, how

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to use assets and level. So from the practical use

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of our scale, it can be seen that the two

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parameters on the scale itself. Of the two parameters, the

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most informational is the asset, the one that we have

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seen here like GP three three two, as it expresses

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in a concise but sufficiently illustrative fashion, the main characteristic

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characteristics of a given civilization. The level, on the other hand,

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provides them even more concise information about the overall level

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of development attained by civilization, a concise information necessarily obtained

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at the expense of the informative contents. So this is

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the asset and this is the level the asset shows.

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More while the level is very very concise, then then

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there are some considerations on the unbalanced progression in the

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in development and its effects. Because when we have an

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asset which is non harmonic, that is an unbalanced compilation

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combination of the three fundamental parameters, civilizations can manifest different

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characteristics on the base of the relative assets of the

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three fundamental parameters and of the level at which this

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unbalanced unbalance happens. Of the many possible combinations, we discuss

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here only about the moral and scientific factors, as their

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relative asset plays a very important role in the in

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this context, and this is not just a theoric consideration,

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but it's something that have very practical, very practical effect. So,

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first of all, we have the predominance of the ethical

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moral development or more, when at any level in the

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development of a civilization, the moral is higher than the

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sign more is higher than side. That is, the moral

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development is more important that the scientific development. The moral

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ectical factor prevails over the scientific technical factor. This means

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that such civilizations manifest a greater development as well as

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a fine knowledge of the spiritual and physiolophic, philosophical dimensions

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of existence without possessing a comparable level of technical scientific development.

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Such an arrangement, albeit unbalanced, does not preclude the development

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of long lasting civilizations characterized by a good level of

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negative entropy, which is, by the way, the concept of

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negative entropy is I think, the most important concept which

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is at the base of the being. The I mean

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a being is an entity which is meant to developed

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to develop negative entropy, and societies in general are entities

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which are meant to do this collectively fight entropy. Then

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we have the predominance of the technical scientific development factor,

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which is which is a different story because when this happens,

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when we have the technical development which prevails over the

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moral ethical level, we can have problems. In addition, In fact,

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in addition to a high probability of exerting an entropic effect,

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such an arrangement puts the duration of the whole civilization

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at risk, particularly in the critical passage from level two

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national level to level three planetary level, where the so

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called technological adolescence is manifested. It's more, it's practically where

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we are now the acquisition of high scientific knowledge and

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in particular, the large quantities of energy that this process

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inevitably makes available may in fact lead on the path

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of self destruction a civilization that has not reached a

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suitable ethical maturity, be that by annihilation through mass destruction weapons,

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or by extinction caused by the irreparable alteration of the environment.

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And by the way, you see that we are close,

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dangerously close. We as a human civilization of planet Earth,

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have been very close to self destruction, nuclear self destruction,

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and we are rather going already rather close to extinction

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caused by the alteration of the environment, by the way,

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So in any case, if at the same time this

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arrangement is characterized also by the satisfaction of the scientific

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is more than social relation, it means that the level

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of political maturity does not keep up with the other

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two factors. In this case, the risk of a premature

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and violent death of the civilization is even higher, as

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the divisions between the various nations or factions in which

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the civilization's civilization continues to be divided into can easily

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lead to conflicts that would be fought with weapons of

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mass destruction of such a power to cause the annihilation

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of the whole civilization. So it is the intention of

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the authors to point out that the human civilization of

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planet Earth presently manifests and imbalance in an important, though

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numerically reduced portion of it, that is, the so called

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first world if you will, if you wish, such im

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balance sees the scientific factor sharply prevailing over the other

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two in the light of the considerations expressed in the

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preceding paragraph. The authors consider this situation to be very worrying,

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as the lack of moral control over the scientific and

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technological developments does indeed represent a concrete danger for the

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long term duration of the Homo sapiens sapiens species civilization

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on planet Earth. Furthermore, the lack of political unity in

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this civilization can and indeed does lead to contrasts the

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more dangerous as every more powerful destruction tools are made

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available to political and military leaders. And this gary is

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really the core of the matter, because this exercise that

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we made, with this effort that we made with Roberto,

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was okay to do exactly what we have done, but

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also to shout out loud as loud as possible that

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the path that we are on right now we as

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a civilization, is not the good one. So now let's

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see some practical cases of classifications classification of exo civilizations. So,

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of course, since no exo civilizations are known todate, we

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will now see some example of our scale, of how

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our scale can be applied to some hip hypothetical civilizations

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taken from the euthologic, euthhological culture, and science fiction literature.

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So we can hear see scale. Can you see it clearly?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So now we have here, we have only the level.

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So here we have the Navi civilization of planet Pandora.

479
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:33,320
Maybe you remember that was primitive civilization. Yes, yes, the

480
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,760
Avatar movie. Sorry, the civilization, the Navi civilization was the

481
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,679
civilization of planet Pandora. So in any case, if you

482
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:50,199
remember the movie, this civilization of the Navis was what

483
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:57,760
we could call primitive civilization. So the GP the GP

484
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:02,480
asset is one two one in the sense that they

485
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:10,960
score and the level is one point three. So I

486
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:16,039
have the arrow point points more or less at level

487
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:22,039
one point three. Then we have the present earthly civilization,

488
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,639
that is us. We are at the level GP two,

489
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:34,079
which is here, then the earthly civilization as was described

490
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,079
in the movie Avatar. If you remember which was a

491
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:48,280
heavily unbalanced civilization, heavily unbalanced towards the scientific technological factor

492
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:56,079
and heavily lacking more. For instance, they were all concentrated

493
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:06,599
on scientific and technological developments, and their moral ethical level

494
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,000
was very low and from what it's possible to understand

495
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,760
from the movie. From the story of the movie, also

496
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,280
the political level was still at number two like we

497
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,719
are today. So they scored two point six on the level.

498
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,800
The asset is four to two two and the level

499
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,800
is two point six. Here, then we have a bunch

500
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:39,199
of GP three civilization. One is the one of the

501
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,079
planet Umo. I don't know if you are aware of this.

502
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,559
Carry which movie was that. No, it's not a movie.

503
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,960
That's well, I could talk four hours on this because

504
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,559
it's something that really interests me. A loto Is book

505
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,880
is a contact story, I mean, but not one to

506
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:12,960
one contact story. Is not even mass contact story, but

507
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:18,199
it's it's a particular story. But it's one which is

508
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,320
very well documented in the sense that to put it quick,

509
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,000
I will try to make a quick description. These the guys,

510
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,800
guys from this planet called Umo, which should be at

511
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:39,800
would be at fourteen light years from Earth. They discovered

512
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,360
Earth a la city that is receiving a radio signal

513
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:50,719
from Earth, and they wondered and seeing that these aliens,

514
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,000
that is, the terrestrial beings were very similar to them,

515
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,679
so and they were they were fascinated by our wild civilization,

516
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,480
which was so exotic for them, and so that they

517
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:10,360
started a long, very long term program for the study

518
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:15,320
of the planet, of the ecosphere, of the human civilization,

519
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,440
and so on. And at a certain point they they

520
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:26,639
felt the need to give back some of the knowledge

521
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,639
that they got from from the Earth, from the human

522
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:37,719
civilization of planet Earth, because it was typically a moral

523
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:45,719
it originated from moral consideration. That is, in a few words,

524
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,320
we have took, we took a lot, a lot of

525
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,920
information from you from your Earth links. Now we feel

526
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,880
obliged to give you something back. And this is how

527
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,119
this contact project originated. And what is interesting, Gary, is

528
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:12,719
that we have something which should come from these guys

529
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,280
from UMO, which is around one thousand and five hundred

530
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,800
sheets typed sheets. So it's quite quite a lot where

531
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,840
their their civilization, their planet is described into a lot

532
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,599
of details. I mean, it's it's a very complex story.

533
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:38,079
If you want, if you want, we can speak. I

534
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,000
have a very nice presentation. Ready I can show you.

535
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,079
Speaker 1: We'll do that. Listen. I'd love to have you back

536
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,679
just to break it down. But that was a great overview,

537
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,960
and I've got the books that would be here and

538
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,840
thanks for sharing that. So yeah good. What so so

539
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,079
what was their level?

540
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: So their level was three? I mean three three three,

541
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:03,280
So because there there were they are as a civilization,

542
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,840
human civilization, I mean, because they are the the kind

543
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:16,800
of the Nordic alien kind so to speak. They have

544
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,159
which I mean their civilization is a planetary level civilization.

545
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,519
They have one single government, one single law. One. I mean,

546
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:33,360
everything is unitary in in their in their culture, in

547
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,440
their civilization. So they are at level three three three,

548
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,320
or just to put it simply, level three. This is

549
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,800
concerning the Umo planet civilization. In any case, Gary, whenever

550
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,360
you want to just tell me, I will be more

551
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,480
than glad to present this, this presentation on because it's

552
00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:00,079
very believing, it's very interesting, not because I did it.

553
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: Because even with this case though, there's just by looking

554
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,599
at the reviews, it's a lot of people love it,

555
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,119
believe it, and then a lot of people maybe not

556
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,000
so much. So I guess it had some screen.

557
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,079
Speaker 2: Yes that it's very complicated. I mean, believe me, it's

558
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:21,800
very complicated. Again, I don't have any any truth. I

559
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:28,599
don't sell any truth truth. Again. Also concerning UMO planet,

560
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,079
I speak normally as if it's something ordinary. I mean,

561
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,199
I say that the guys in UMO do this. Of course,

562
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,559
there is no certainty. The whole story is a big

563
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:47,679
question mark, big big one. But but there is a

564
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:53,679
huge amount of data, a huge amount of information. And

565
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,639
consider that this contact, this contact which someone has called

566
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:08,320
twenty years of close encounter close encounters of the postal kind,

567
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:17,199
because a lot of these information was sent through typed

568
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:23,239
letters over I mean, they use the system. Because of course,

569
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,559
the whole story started in the nineteen sixties, so there

570
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:34,320
was no other possibility other than hypewriting. Okay, in any case,

571
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,719
in any case, I mean there's a lot of there's

572
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,440
no agreement. You can very easily find the notion if

573
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,559
you do a search and Internet, you can very easily

574
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:53,400
find a notion that it's Can I say something which

575
00:49:53,480 --> 00:50:00,920
has been staged by humans? I don't. I mean I

576
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,960
like very I like it very much. I find I

577
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:09,159
found the whole lot of information that made available very

578
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,800
very very inspiring, not only not only sociologically speaking, but

579
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,079
also spiritually speaking. Okay, but in any case, let's stop here,

580
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,639
because it's it's so complicated that it could it could

581
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:31,639
be very easily to divert from our team of tonight. Okay,

582
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:35,480
in any case, So in any case, you just tell

583
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,599
me when you're already, I will be more than glad

584
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:42,960
to present this. Okay, this presentation on. Okay, then we

585
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:47,159
add level GP three, that is an asset three three three.

586
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:52,400
We have the Circle Planet civilization. I don't know if

587
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,320
you are familiar with this. This is something which is

588
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,000
even more more or a big question mark, quite a

589
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:07,039
very very big question mark. It's it's a story where

590
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:15,519
I'm gonna say humans are where sent humans from the

591
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:20,800
from the US military were sent on a mission to

592
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:29,039
this over this Circle planet. And so they describe this

593
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:34,920
civilization which is again at the planetary level. They have

594
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,599
a very good a good level of moral development, and

595
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:44,119
they are I can say politically speaking, they are unitary.

596
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,079
They have one single government and so on. And the

597
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:53,679
same goes for the civilization of the Janos or genus

598
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,559
I don't know people, which is another story which you

599
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,719
can find in the in the internet. If you if

600
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,039
you do a search, and so they are also they

601
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:09,719
share I mean these three hypothetical because they are apothetical.

602
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,599
I mean I don't I don't maintain that no one

603
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:17,400
that any of the civilization is true. But in any

604
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,280
case they share the same level, the GP three level.

605
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:31,679
Then we have the CTR civilization. This arise from an

606
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:40,280
Italian saga, which is also the to which these risk

607
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,079
W fifty six also belong, because this is an Italian

608
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:51,320
saga which was called amichitia, which means friendship in Italian.

609
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,599
I don't know if you are aware of this gay,

610
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,440
but in any case, it's a it's a thing which

611
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,920
went on or a contact situation that went on for

612
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,840
many years in Italy, and there were a good amount

613
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,199
of people involved in this story. So this is highly

614
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,239
hypothetical as well, but it has been very well documented

615
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:24,639
documented as well, and this situation was characterized by W

616
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,440
fifty six that you see here, who score at the

617
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,960
fourth level of the GP scale. Because they are very

618
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,599
well the fourth level I go back here a moment.

619
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:47,320
The fourth level is the level of the sub galactic

620
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:54,119
civilization you see. So they score at this level. They

621
00:53:54,239 --> 00:54:00,960
are they were, or they would be if you prefer already, okay,

622
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,639
for moving so quickly. So W fifty six were more

623
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:13,960
federation of different civilization who shared common characteristics, while these

624
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:21,440
CTRS civilization was in Italy at the same time. And

625
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,519
you note, you can see that the assets on the

626
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:31,280
scale is heavily unbalanced, because we have three point three

627
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:38,159
the level, but the asset is four to four, which

628
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:44,920
shows heavily imbalance in the sense that they were lacking

629
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:52,239
moral moral development, that they were very lagging behind in

630
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,320
terms of moral development. They were rather bad. Indeed, they

631
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,559
were rather bad guys. Now it's it's as as it

632
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:09,960
was for for the UMO civilization. Also for this these

633
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:18,000
two civilization, the W fifty six and the CTR. There

634
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,800
would be a lot to say, and it's not easy,

635
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,360
especially if you are not aware of this story. But

636
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,679
in any case, you said, you said, those two same stories, okay, yes,

637
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,639
these two the you can I mean, this is something

638
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:41,159
that developed, something that developed in Italy, a contact, mass

639
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:45,559
contact which developed in Italy in the sixties also which

640
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:52,480
is the distinct, very distinct from the UMO case. And

641
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:57,079
in any case, in the Italy, especially Central Italy of

642
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:05,840
the sixties came out the these W fifty six who

643
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:11,360
were the good ones, uh, and these ctrs who were

644
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:18,159
the bad guys, so to speak. So it was it

645
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,679
was a very complicated situation with a lot of witnesses

646
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:32,800
who witnessed, witnessed really strange, strange events. And these events

647
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,119
were also on the background of this on this ever

648
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:44,039
going on confrontation between between the good ones, the W

649
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:49,079
fifty six and the bad ones, the CTRS. So I mean,

650
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,599
but this this is just two in any case, I

651
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:59,559
used these two civilization as an example to show heavily

652
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:06,000
and balanced situation, a very very imbalanced in the sense

653
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,719
of can I say we could call them the bad

654
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,599
guys because you see four two four they are rather

655
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:23,039
developed scientifically, they are rather developed politically, but morally speaking

656
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:27,039
they score two which is very low, which is more

657
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,760
or less at the same level that we have now.

658
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:40,400
So this is an example of heavily imbalanced civilization, while

659
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:45,400
the W fifty six are four to four four or

660
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,440
just square squarely four, so they are more virtuous in

661
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:57,280
this sense. Okay, So this is of course, these are

662
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:03,920
the references. So this is the GP scale, and and

663
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:08,960
it's its use if you have questions, now I think

664
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,159
it's it's the good moment for them is.

665
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: Uh, is this a book or is this just available online?

666
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: No, it's just it's just online. I mean it's not

667
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,360
it's not written on a book. Uh, you know, Gerry,

668
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,199
I still have to work. Uh. And then it's it's

669
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:30,199
not possible to me to find the way to write

670
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,880
books for at least for the moment. Then when I retire,

671
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:36,039
which will be in one year more or less, then

672
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,239
I think I will have many ideas for for books.

673
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:42,599
But not for now.

674
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:49,199
Speaker 1: I've got questions. I just don't want to go super

675
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:57,039
far left for you. But but is there this is spiritual,

676
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:02,679
this is etherical? Is there something that guards each level

677
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:08,159
of progression? Like you can't you know the level ones

678
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:13,119
can become eventually become a level two. But they have.

679
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,280
But there's the code of ethics, there's you know, they

680
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,840
are weighed, they are measured to be able to step into.

681
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:25,119
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Gary, I mean in the introduction, and I

682
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,360
did not expose this because I mean, now, I just

683
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:34,280
did a quick description in the In the introduction to

684
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:40,760
the scale, it's written that civilizations are not considered stable

685
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:46,280
entities in the sense that they progress somehow. Typically they

686
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:51,400
or the proper word is that they developed to development

687
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,719
is a change normally, is a change for goods normally,

688
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:01,679
But it could be change, I can say in the

689
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:04,840
bad in the bad sense, it can be a regression.

690
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,320
So I mean in any case, civilizations in this in

691
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,920
this work of ours, are not considered stable stable entities.

692
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:23,199
Can civilization constantly move? Typically they progress and and if

693
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:28,840
they progress in the way that is shown here, every

694
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,480
level has this capacity as these characteristics. This is called

695
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,719
virtual's path of development. If they if at a certain

696
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:47,159
moment one one factor the lag lags and remain lagging behind,

697
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:53,039
then this asset is not balanced. So it could be

698
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,880
how can I say, depending on the asset, on the

699
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:02,440
relative asset of the parameters, it can be. How can

700
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:08,239
I say more oriented the civilization? Civilization could become more

701
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:16,199
orient oriented towards the moral dimension, not taking into account

702
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,800
to the scientific development, or could be the country. I mean,

703
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,639
what we are seeing now in our civilization is that

704
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:31,360
we are taking more and more interest, We are giving

705
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,920
more and more importance to the scientific technique developments, and

706
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,880
we lag behind in terms of moral ethical development as

707
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,159
well as the political level, the social aggregation. We are

708
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:52,000
still divided into nations, into factions whatever you we we

709
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,840
and we are lacking in moral ethical development in the

710
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:01,360
sense that we cannot understand, we would do not understand

711
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,480
what we are at, the damages that we are doing

712
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:07,760
to our environment.

713
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:12,559
Speaker 1: Okay, so the we that you're talking about is the collective,

714
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:16,880
it's all of it's the micro, well, it's actually the macro, right,

715
01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:20,719
But within that you have people who are having I

716
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,719
would say, a spiritual awakening, which is a moral awakening,

717
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:29,199
which is a social awakening. Like it's really obvious that

718
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,719
we're going through with the Bible would consider birth pains,

719
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,679
like something's about the change. There is some type of

720
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,079
expansion that's about to happen, whether it's good or whether

721
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:45,320
it's bad. And obviously there the more of the planet

722
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,280
that I would say, this is even a map of ascension.

723
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,760
This is a map of ascension from tribal animalistic nature

724
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:59,719
to galactic, heavenly divine nature. And you know we're going

725
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,960
through that process as individuals as well. And I feel like, yes,

726
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,599
you know there's a global awakening happening for us to

727
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,599
take our place amongst the stars.

728
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,719
Speaker 2: If you will, yes, yes, I do agree. I do agree.

729
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,440
Consider Gary that I mean, what is written here is

730
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:28,639
heavily statistical. All these information come from how can I

731
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:34,320
say consider them heavily statistical? Of course, societies are made

732
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:38,719
of civilizations, and societies are made of many, many different,

733
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,920
many many different individuals. Now what we consider here is

734
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:50,079
the overall the statistic with all the good and bads

735
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:55,360
of the statistical method, of course. But I mean because

736
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,599
when you take into account a civilization, of course, you

737
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:07,840
must necessarily use statistical measurements. Of course, because can I say,

738
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:15,880
nowadays the civilization of planet Earth is seven billions of individuals,

739
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,840
so it's necessary, it's necessary to use statistical means. So

740
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,199
in any cases, So this is something that can that

741
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:31,159
should be always remembered. We are speaking at very high

742
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:38,239
statistic level. I mean that we are speaking of scientific development.

743
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:45,280
But you know, okay, now we are we as human

744
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,960
civilization of planet Earth. We are here extensive tools, use

745
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,400
of tools and machines, automatic calculation, telecommunication of your energy.

746
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:01,719
But not all the members of the human civilization of

747
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,400
planet Earth, how can I say, are at that level?

748
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:10,360
There are there are good number of humans who are

749
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,119
still at the stone age or short off, while there

750
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,039
are others who who travel to space. You see but

751
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:22,599
this is I mean, this is just an example I

752
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:25,719
made to show that this is necessary and it could

753
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:33,320
not be otherwise. It's necessarily a statistic consideration. And there

754
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:38,280
is I just wanted to say one thing before I

755
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:46,280
forget there is we have seen here? What is it? Sorry,

756
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,840
I'm going up and down bouncing. So we have seen

757
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,840
the one, two, three, four, five. Of course, there are

758
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,960
no I mean at least that I know. There are

759
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:01,639
no civilizations at level five. I mean the galactic level civilization,

760
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,639
so at least that I know. In any case, there

761
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:13,440
is one thing that is interesting here, where some practical

762
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:20,360
cases of classification of exo civilizations are discussed, there is

763
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,519
the discussion of what we have seen before in graphical mode,

764
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,360
the various civilizations. One thing which is interesting is the

765
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,719
civilization of Ra. Are you aware of this?

766
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm not unless that's the channel material.

767
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: So is that the law of one?

768
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: Yes?

769
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:44,079
Speaker 2: Yes, you know that.

770
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

771
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:52,239
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to mention this because we wrote

772
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,920
that lastly, the particular case of Ra, a civilization that

773
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,679
would have accomplished the whole cycle described in our scale

774
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:05,960
and then ascended an octave, undergoing a process that could

775
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,800
be described as a new experience of the living being

776
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,559
on a different and higher sorry, a new experience of

777
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:20,559
the living being on a different and higher plan of existence.

778
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:26,119
As such, this civilization cannot be classified using the GP scale,

779
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:33,360
finding itself by any practical definition of scale. So this

780
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:37,159
is something that I just wanted to mention because I mean,

781
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:43,119
I was this kind of civilization of right, something something

782
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:48,039
really out of the out of the extent of our scale.

783
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:52,079
Speaker 1: For a civilization to rise to the next level, to

784
01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:55,159
ascend to the next level, if you will, is there

785
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,320
and you mentioned the raw material, you know, we hear

786
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:07,000
the number fifty more good than bad to actually bring

787
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,760
everyone up to the next level, whether that's as a

788
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:15,559
civilization or individually. What would classify Is it the majority,

789
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,960
which would be fifty one percent that readies for level three?

790
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:25,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. As I've said before, it's it's a

791
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:32,079
statistical matter. I mean, it's a if you will, fifty

792
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:37,000
one percent is you you can put it as you

793
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:44,720
can characterize this as a statistic consideration, statistical consideration. But again,

794
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:51,079
in any case, this this scale that we have prepared

795
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:54,039
here is just to have an idea. Of course, there

796
01:08:54,079 --> 01:09:00,239
are no there cannot be, can I see boundaries, srict

797
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:06,079
boundaries between the level between levels civilization progress. As I told,

798
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,880
we must we must consider it. We must necessarily consider

799
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:16,800
the statistical We must necessarily consider these civilizations under a

800
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,720
statistical point of view. We can we cannot do otherwise.

801
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:24,119
And this again, this is just to give an idea.

802
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:30,119
There are no strict boundaries, there are no no examinations

803
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:32,800
that have to be cast nothing.

804
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,119
Speaker 1: So so with that the the examination. So we've heard,

805
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:42,600
we've heard stories and again their stories, but that there

806
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:48,560
is a there's a level of virtue, if you will,

807
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,439
that for even for us to travel off planet and

808
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,000
to make our habitation in space, that there's a level

809
01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:58,319
of integrity, a level of virtue that we have to

810
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:01,600
ascend to because it is it is a you know,

811
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,520
a three and above, like like you said with the chart,

812
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,920
like you have to everything has to be three. You

813
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:11,800
can't be a level of five civil civilization with a

814
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,159
level one moral as far as what we would call

815
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,399
evil aliens.

816
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:23,399
Speaker 2: Say, if I think of a five to one four civilization,

817
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:28,960
that would be a very highly developed, technically developed civilization

818
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,479
with a very bad moral level of uh. When I

819
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:40,359
say of integrity so to speak, and four it means

820
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,359
they are all the same. I mean politically speaking, that

821
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:47,079
they are all the same, so that that would really

822
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:49,760
mean the bad guys. Yeah, five one four.

823
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: Do you think that those that that's possible if there

824
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,399
is a level of virtue that that must be attained, You.

825
01:10:57,399 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 2: Know what, you know what, Gerry, I think this is

826
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:05,560
the reason why I think that the et who are

827
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,760
here or who arrive here, who travel up to planet

828
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:14,920
Earth cannot be bad. Cannot be intrinsically bad for a

829
01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:24,880
very simple reason because those civilizations who develop in a

830
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:33,600
non harmoniously way, especially where the moral ethic level legs behind,

831
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,399
they are very prone to self destructions. So to put

832
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:44,079
it simply, they won't last enough to reach the capacity

833
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:50,119
of interstellar travel or intergalactic travel. This is why I

834
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:57,119
am pretty much sure that at least remember always statistically speaking,

835
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:03,920
those who are who come to Earth from from somewhere else,

836
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,600
who sorry, those who have the capacity, the technical capacity

837
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:16,239
two travel to do interstellar travel and intergalactic travel and

838
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:22,720
arrived to planet Earth cannot be intrinsically bad because if

839
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:29,680
they were bad, they with the level of power of energy,

840
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:36,920
not power of energy that the technical progress makes available,

841
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,359
they would have destroyed themselves. I mean, if they were

842
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:44,600
intrinsically bad. You see. So this is why, of course,

843
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,840
this is a statistic consideration that there could be there

844
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,720
could be someone who is who managed to reach the

845
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:01,199
interstellar travel capacity while be in in scauty rather bad.

846
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,039
That could be. I mean, it could happen. It could happen. Well,

847
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:10,279
so we should expect also that we should also consider

848
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:11,239
this possibility.

849
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: Yes, the narrative, well, let's just say you said that

850
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,399
that civilizations can also go backward. It's not always about ascension,

851
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,560
because the spiral goes up and down. The spiral works

852
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,800
both ways, so a civilization can take a step backward.

853
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,920
Here's the idea from the biblical narrative of the fallen

854
01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:36,880
angels that had their place in the stars but were

855
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,399
cast out because of their moral decline, and now they

856
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:47,319
have come to Earth because they are banned from joining

857
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,039
the heavens again because of their moral decline. Does that

858
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:51,560
make sense?

859
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 2: That could be? Yes, yes, it does. That could be. Well. Actually,

860
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:01,680
there could be many possibilities for regress I mean of civilization.

861
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:06,600
Think for instance, what happened, what could happen if a

862
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:12,640
big asteroid hit the Earth. We would be catapulted into

863
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:18,399
level one if, if ever, we managed to survive as

864
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,439
a civilization. I mean, a big enough asteroid could destroy

865
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:31,920
could huge, could cause enormous, tremendous destruction. It could really

866
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:38,159
precipitate the human civilization of planet Earth to level one,

867
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,880
I mean the tribal level.

868
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's happened before, whether it was

869
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:48,079
Egypt or at Atlantis and Lumeria, for.

870
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 2: Sure it happened. For sure it happened Atlantis. I don't know, really,

871
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,840
I can say it's interesting to see, you know what

872
01:14:57,039 --> 01:15:07,279
getting concerning Atlantis. It's interesting to see those witness not witness,

873
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:16,560
those reports coming from past life, past life lives, lives regression,

874
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:22,600
because sometimes it happened. I mean, I've read in number

875
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:30,319
of books that sometimes people remember a past existence, for

876
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:35,159
instance in in Atlantis, for instance, that that could be

877
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:40,319
interesting to try to gather these reports and see if

878
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,880
there is can I say, a certain coherence in this

879
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,800
That that's something that would be really interesting to do.

880
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,520
In any case, I think that for sure, for sure

881
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:01,239
big asteroid has hit our planet since could be also

882
01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:05,079
more than one in the in the ancient past. And

883
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:08,279
the problem is that it could it could repeat, Now

884
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:13,720
this is the problem. And and instead of spending a

885
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:18,159
huge amount of money of resources for the militaries, if

886
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:24,640
we really concentrated ourselves upon this kind of of space

887
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,960
defense would be much much better.

888
01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:32,079
Speaker 1: Now, as far as far as balances, balance is key,

889
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:35,399
right to to to even a one one one. They're

890
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,319
gonna you know, they're gonna govern and manage themselves properly

891
01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:42,880
as long as there's no imbalance. But now, as far

892
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,640
as ascension works, there has to be at least a

893
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:51,640
time period for them to be imbalanced, for technology or

894
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,479
moral But is it something that has to Can it

895
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,000
rise together? Can a two? Can a a two?

896
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:08,239
Speaker 2: Everything? Practically everything could happen even if I mean every

897
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:15,279
combination is possible, even though some combinations are impractically impossible.

898
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:21,399
I mean because but I mean if you consider, as

899
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:26,079
we have said in the introduction, that civilizations are moving,

900
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:30,840
and I like to say that civilizations are moving entities.

901
01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:36,279
They do not remain stable. They tend to move somehow

902
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,800
most in most of the cases they tend to can

903
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:47,760
I say, to develop properly, that is increasing their negative entropy,

904
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,399
as I've said before, But sometimes it could happen that

905
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:58,720
the civilization regress. It could very it could happen. I mean,

906
01:17:59,119 --> 01:18:04,439
even by some external causes like like the asteroids, as

907
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,159
I've said before, or for their own reasons. I mean,

908
01:18:09,319 --> 01:18:14,119
you cannot say. And again again I want, I always

909
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:18,039
want to stress this because it is important. It's these

910
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:21,720
are statistic, statistical considerations.

911
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: Now, who do you think is watching over humanity? I mean,

912
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,760
I think that you know, all of the Holy books

913
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,520
talk about the angels, at least what we would call them, right,

914
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,159
they seem to be ascended and and and that ascension

915
01:18:37,159 --> 01:18:42,119
could just be galactic travel even one level of ahead

916
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:45,159
of us, right, it would they would essentially be gods

917
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:48,880
onto us. Right. But when we look at practical you know,

918
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:53,800
nuclear silos and and and and and UFOs, uh deactivating

919
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,680
missiles and and uh and even the like asteroids that

920
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,439
are coming. There's footage of UFOs fly through an asteroid

921
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,399
and breaking them up so that we don't have this

922
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:10,880
huge cataclysmic event. It seems like something or someone is

923
01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:15,319
rooting for us to take the next step. Do you

924
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:16,279
think that that is.

925
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:25,039
Speaker 2: Good question? It's very very difficult to say. I mean,

926
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:35,119
considering considering only the extraterrestrials would say the physical extra extraresturals,

927
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,439
if you will, because I'm pretty much convinced that et

928
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:48,239
can be also non physical, but they can also have influence.

929
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,039
They can influence also if they want the physical level.

930
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,000
In any case, I think that there, indeed, there are

931
01:19:57,239 --> 01:20:04,600
many many different civilizations on the Earth, on around the Earth,

932
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,720
below the seas and so on. So this is why

933
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:15,000
I don't like to call the Earth our planet. I

934
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:18,640
call it planet Earth, or the planet of terrestrial humanity,

935
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:22,600
just for this reason, because you may never know. They

936
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,720
could very well be here since time immemorial. It could

937
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,359
very well be because if you consider that, according to saints,

938
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:38,680
universe has fourteen more or less fourteen fifteen billions years

939
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:43,119
of age, while the Earth and the Solar system has

940
01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:47,239
four and four or five billion, I mean there is

941
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:52,560
an enormous amount of time available for civilization to develop

942
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,239
and to develop very highly, and to get the capacity

943
01:20:57,319 --> 01:21:01,239
to hop between the stars very easily. So this is

944
01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:03,920
why I'm I say, I am convinced that there are

945
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,760
many civilizations from timing memorial here on this planet. In

946
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:13,439
any case, Yes, I think that very likely there, I think,

947
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,840
and in one sense, if you want, if you want,

948
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:25,159
I also hope that there are I mean bigger, bigger brothers,

949
01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:30,880
so to speak, or wiser brothers that watch a bit

950
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,640
upon us and try to try to avoid them. I mean,

951
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:41,199
the worst consequences of our actions, of our ill fated actions,

952
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,720
if you will. But I couldn't say more actually because

953
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:46,720
I really don't know.

954
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: Right And so there's a lot of theories. But I

955
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,720
think that a lot of this is connecting dots and

956
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:55,800
whether that's research, and whether that's studying, whether that's experience.

957
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,279
The idea of you mentioned the big brothers, I mentioned

958
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:08,880
fallen angels, the idea that humans Homo sapiens, are the

959
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,920
fallen angels that fell from grace to Earth and we

960
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,840
are on that ascension process. Our big brothers are watching

961
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,880
over us. They want us to learn, They want us

962
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:24,000
to choose love, to choose good, to evolve like they did.

963
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,079
But something happened and we were cast here. And that's

964
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:31,439
the theory that humans are the fallen angels that are mentioned.

965
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,479
But obviously we can we can ascend, we can choose good,

966
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,119
we can help people. We can't sup to us, yeah.

967
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: Up to us indeed, indeed, And this is why it's

968
01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:47,039
it's always important to remember this and to remember that

969
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:51,319
what we're doing now is not good for our environment

970
01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:52,680
and our own species.

971
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: So so how do we do it? Is again, is

972
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,760
it the many? Because again what I was talking about,

973
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,960
the you know, the ascension or the spiritual awakening that

974
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:04,960
the planet is going through. There are a lot of

975
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,920
people choosing love. There are a lot of people trying

976
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,359
to heal themselves and then heal each other. And healing

977
01:23:11,359 --> 01:23:15,439
yourself is healing the others, and especially the more people

978
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,800
that do it, Mike on a micro level, the macro,

979
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,600
we all begin to heal. And it's this process that's happening.

980
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:27,159
It seems like the one some people would call them

981
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:30,319
the one percent that there are are are leaders or

982
01:23:30,319 --> 01:23:32,960
the world governments and things like that who want to

983
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:35,680
keep who don't want us to ascend, who don't want

984
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,680
us to do that, that want to keep us divided,

985
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,520
that want us to choose black or white, up or down,

986
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,720
left or right versus this this oneness that that people

987
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,520
are starting to wake up to.

988
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:52,199
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the oneness, I mean the way to go.

989
01:23:52,359 --> 01:23:57,119
I do agree. I mean they I mentioned before the

990
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:04,760
case of raw and who calls himself the humble messenger

991
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,760
of the law of one and this I think is

992
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,279
really the way to go. This is really the way

993
01:24:12,319 --> 01:24:12,520
to go.

994
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,359
Speaker 1: And what would you say about the Seth material? Do

995
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,720
you do you? Does that seem delusional? Does that? Does that?

996
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,880
Is there any credibility to that? There's some weird information

997
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,520
that came out of that one. Where would you start

998
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:24,439
with them?

999
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:32,239
Speaker 2: Wach material, Seth material, seth yes, which is a Seth material.

1000
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,520
Speaker 1: Channel channel information? Richie? Can you uh, maybe I know

1001
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,119
you know a little bit about that stuff? You studied

1002
01:24:39,159 --> 01:24:44,560
a good bit Jane Roberts channel by Jane Roberts. Now, Richie,

1003
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,720
was that was that an alien civilization? A does somebodied spirit?

1004
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,680
Do you know who that was?

1005
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no, sorry, sorry I missed that.

1006
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:59,079
I want to I want to note I think she

1007
01:24:59,159 --> 01:25:01,640
refers to her as teacher. I don't know if it's

1008
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,119
specifically off world though, Okay.

1009
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,279
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I was, Okay, I just wanted to check

1010
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:08,199
and see if you knew about it.

1011
01:25:08,199 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 2: Okay, good, No, No, I'm always I'm always eager to

1012
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:19,239
learn more on this on this subject, yes, sir, Thanks.

1013
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Well, Paulo. I I enjoyed this talk thoroughly. And uh

1014
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,720
and I'm I'm too. Even though you had you had

1015
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,239
it was right on the screen in front of me.

1016
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:33,720
I'm still writing it down for myself, and uh, and

1017
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,039
I've been a lot of things that we talked about

1018
01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:38,920
today have been things that I've been studying the last

1019
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,199
two days on a really on a personal level. But

1020
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:45,760
also what that that personal level is is also you know,

1021
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,359
the micro and the macro of the balance. The balance

1022
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,439
is the idea that we think we're supposed to be

1023
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,479
more good than evil, But balance is really where it

1024
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,439
is to to have this place of harmony that you

1025
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:02,640
can't you know, you're you're moral obligation can't outweigh the

1026
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,560
other other levels in your life, and so so good

1027
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,000
in it connected so many, so many dots for me.

1028
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,239
Let people know where they can go to find out

1029
01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:15,920
more about your work and connect with you what you

1030
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,600
got going on. Let them know where they could check

1031
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,319
out your website. You have tons of research and tons

1032
01:26:20,359 --> 01:26:21,359
of material out there.

1033
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 2: Yes, most of the things that I had, of the

1034
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,760
material that I've published are in Italian because I am

1035
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,960
Italian myself, so and most of my of my activity

1036
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,920
until now has been in favor of my of the

1037
01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:45,279
my Italian fellow citizens. Who do not speak any other language,

1038
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,079
which unfortunately are many. So this is why I do

1039
01:26:49,159 --> 01:26:55,920
this good will effort of doing these translations of UFO

1040
01:26:56,119 --> 01:27:02,359
research related documents. Typically, but now with i'm my activity

1041
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:08,199
is becoming more more international in nature, so so I

1042
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:12,920
will be doing something in UH and I already started

1043
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:18,079
doing something in directly in English, which which can find

1044
01:27:18,279 --> 01:27:22,239
I mean, can be more easily understood. I mean, because

1045
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:27,880
Italian can be easily translated with automatic translators nowadays, but

1046
01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:30,840
I mean when you find something directly in English is

1047
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:31,439
much better.

1048
01:27:32,319 --> 01:27:35,239
Speaker 1: Well, you've done a great job today, and I'm thankful

1049
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:37,920
that you did. And you did you did great. Before

1050
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:42,119
we go thoughts on Billy Meyer and the beings that

1051
01:27:42,199 --> 01:27:44,840
he was supposedly in touch with.

1052
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,399
Speaker 2: Good question, of course, good, good, Well, I think that

1053
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:57,199
Meyer was like many other contactees of this kind, if

1054
01:27:57,239 --> 01:28:00,720
you will, I mean, we have a case in which

1055
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,359
is the one of Zanfretta. I don't know if you

1056
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:08,239
ever heard of him. He's a guy who how do

1057
01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:14,760
you spell that? Z a? I am Zulu alpha November,

1058
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:26,880
foxtrot romeo Echo tango tango Alpha Zamfretta and he you

1059
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:32,840
know what to him? Something very strange definitely happened. I mean,

1060
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,159
there are three, there are proofs, there's evidence, there are

1061
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:43,359
indeed that something really strange happened to him. The problem

1062
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,399
is that, but I mean, I can understand. It's not

1063
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:54,239
because I want to to talk, not because I have

1064
01:28:54,319 --> 01:28:58,000
a bad opinion on him, but I mean, I want

1065
01:28:58,039 --> 01:29:03,199
to be to be honest than straight. I mean, for sure,

1066
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:07,680
something strange and very out of the ordinary happened to

1067
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:13,039
him at the beginning. Then it's a bit like he

1068
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:18,079
felt obliged to keep up the hype, so to speak,

1069
01:29:18,279 --> 01:29:23,319
and started saying things that are a bit out of

1070
01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:27,359
the out of the not out of the ordinary, but

1071
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:34,560
difficult to be believed. I mean, something which really sounded fantastic.

1072
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,520
So and I think that for Billy Meyer, something like

1073
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:46,039
this must have happened. I have the most the more

1074
01:29:46,119 --> 01:29:52,479
recent news I have on him is that he lives

1075
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,920
in a place where he's surrounded by by his followers

1076
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,439
and is a sort of a commune, so to speak,

1077
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:06,359
and it has become a sort I don't want to

1078
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:12,640
say a sect, but sort off, you see. So I'm

1079
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:20,359
convinced that he, like Zanfretta, has had out definitely out

1080
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,159
of the ordinary experiences in the beginning. But I mean this,

1081
01:30:26,399 --> 01:30:30,039
I don't want to express a negative opinion, a negative

1082
01:30:30,119 --> 01:30:36,840
judgment on him. I understand that this happens, and most

1083
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,520
of the times this happens not because of the persons

1084
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:47,399
who are involved in this contact, but because of the

1085
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:52,920
other peoples, of the other people who follow them. They

1086
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:57,920
start to put out expectations and so on. So these

1087
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:02,680
four guys who are the contact poor guys in the

1088
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:08,279
good sense. I mean, they found they find themselves surrounded,

1089
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,239
surrounded by a lot of people. Oh, tell us, tell

1090
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:16,159
us what do you have, tell us whatever is newer,

1091
01:31:16,359 --> 01:31:22,239
and so on, always expecting news, always expecting something new,

1092
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,600
that some new revelation, and so on, so that at

1093
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:33,399
the end the poor contact tee ends up. I can

1094
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:38,359
I see following them, even if, even if this is

1095
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:41,399
not something that you would do. And I think that

1096
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,399
in the case of Don Fritta and in the case

1097
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,840
of Mayer, it's more or less more not the same,

1098
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:51,239
more or less the same.

1099
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a lot of And I've been talking

1100
01:31:55,039 --> 01:31:57,680
about this a lot lately. If you get a chance,

1101
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,079
watch the documentary. I've been telling everybody. It's on Netflix.

1102
01:32:01,159 --> 01:32:06,119
It's a documentary called Misha and the Wolves really really

1103
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:10,359
good about trauma and making up store people who make

1104
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,720
up stories and sell books and kind of things like

1105
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:16,800
that too, even if they've convinced theirselves themselves of the

1106
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,000
of the story. It's really interesting. But but I've interviewed

1107
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:23,960
a lot of contact these on here, and they go

1108
01:32:24,119 --> 01:32:30,079
live with like huge, a huge audience, and I feel

1109
01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:33,159
like they're just again, even if it started from a

1110
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:38,000
genuine place. They're telling you how the uh the propulsions

1111
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,680
systems work for the spacecraft and what their diet is,

1112
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,960
and they have all of this information, and every week

1113
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,880
they have new information on you know, this this stuff,

1114
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,279
And I really think that it muddies the water waters

1115
01:32:54,319 --> 01:32:57,720
because if there's one person who was really in contact,

1116
01:32:58,279 --> 01:33:02,880
maybe the uh um oh incident that you're talking about,

1117
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:07,119
if that was real, then this other stuff muddies the

1118
01:33:07,159 --> 01:33:10,239
water and us seekers trying to get to the bottom

1119
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,439
of the information, you.

1120
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 2: Know, you know, Gary, it's it's a process. I mean,

1121
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:21,439
it's the same always, the same story depends on the

1122
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,920
other people. I mean also also considering religions. I mean,

1123
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:33,720
we know, I mean to to to talk about something

1124
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,399
that we know very well. I mean, we know Jesus Christ,

1125
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,039
I mean, we know what he did. His figure is

1126
01:33:40,319 --> 01:33:44,760
teachings and so on. Okay, that's fine, but what is

1127
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:49,319
the problem. The problem is not himself. The problem is

1128
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:56,760
caused by those who came after him, Yes, who, Because

1129
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:03,399
figures like Jesus Christ and other spiritual teachers of the

1130
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,439
humanity there were people out of the ordinary by any means,

1131
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:13,319
while those who followed them were indeed ordinary people, and

1132
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,880
they could not cope to to really be at the

1133
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:23,239
same level, and so they introduced spurious factors that that

1134
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:28,520
changed the situation dramatically. You see the and this is

1135
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:32,800
for practically all the religions. Have you ever seen have

1136
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:38,159
you ever seen Buddhists fighting someone killing someone else? How

1137
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:43,840
can that be a Buddhist who kills someone else? It's

1138
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,399
it's it's absurd, But it's the same story. I mean

1139
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,279
it's And also for the contactees, it's the same. When

1140
01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:52,720
they are when they end up surrounded by a lot

1141
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:57,239
of people who are waiting eagerly for new revelations, for

1142
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,159
new things, they feel obliged to to feed them with this.

1143
01:35:02,119 --> 01:35:05,840
Even even and doing this, they if they do not

1144
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:12,479
have anything really concrete, actual to say to them they

1145
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:17,359
must invent it, they must produce it somehow, and they

1146
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,439
must fake it basically. And this is a problem. I mean,

1147
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:26,319
it's not it's not to to to express a bad

1148
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:30,520
judgment on contactees. No, this is not the case. But

1149
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,359
I want to see, I want to say, I understand

1150
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:37,800
that this happens frequently. It does. Indeed happen for It

1151
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,760
happened for the threat that it happened for Billy Meyer,

1152
01:35:42,039 --> 01:35:47,960
and happen for many others who had people following them.

1153
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,239
If you don't have any people, anyone following you, that

1154
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:57,319
then you can you can remain pure, so to speak.

1155
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:00,039
But if you have a lot of I mean I

1156
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:04,199
understand even myself thinking if I started to say I

1157
01:36:04,399 --> 01:36:11,399
have the truth, I have any kind of truth, I

1158
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:15,239
will find someone, of course, who will start following me,

1159
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,239
and then some more, some more, some more, some more,

1160
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:22,560
And okay, I can set forth my teachings blah blah

1161
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,159
blah and so on. But what do you think that

1162
01:36:25,279 --> 01:36:29,800
could happen in a three generations from now? Do you

1163
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:34,359
think that my teachings would would remain intact? Not at all,

1164
01:36:35,159 --> 01:36:39,560
not at all, even if my teachings were the spiritually

1165
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:44,680
purest that you can even conceive what could happen in

1166
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:50,640
by my followers in two general and just two generations,

1167
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:51,680
just to not more.

1168
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what this is. Probably has happened with

1169
01:36:55,279 --> 01:36:56,800
all religions.

1170
01:36:56,399 --> 01:36:59,560
Speaker 2: Right indeed, indeed, indeed.

1171
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm actually scouring the internet right now trying to find

1172
01:37:04,039 --> 01:37:11,319
this name of ah. I believe it was a Italian

1173
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:16,239
saint who supposedly was in touch with with the UFOs

1174
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:21,119
and there's a there's a statue of him. I cannot

1175
01:37:21,159 --> 01:37:21,920
find it it was.

1176
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:26,520
Speaker 2: I will send it via the chat. There was the name,

1177
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,039
the name of this contactee.

1178
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:32,560
Speaker 1: And he was he had there was recently made the

1179
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,119
news because there was a kid who there was a

1180
01:37:37,159 --> 01:37:42,319
teenager who had his statue in his home and had

1181
01:37:42,319 --> 01:37:44,279
a lot of his writings and stuff, and the kid

1182
01:37:44,359 --> 01:37:45,880
disappeared and they were saying that.

1183
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 2: It was that it could have been where it.

1184
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: Could have been him leaving. But I think that it

1185
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:03,800
was I think it was staged. So I don't know

1186
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if this is one thinking of Zanfreta.

1187
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:08,039
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: He was a saint though, you said, right.

1189
01:38:11,079 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, he was It was a

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01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,279
private guard. I mean he was a private guard. One

1191
01:38:17,399 --> 01:38:22,279
night close to the he was in the outskirts of

1192
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:28,119
the city of Genoa in northern Italy, and he was

1193
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:32,239
called to go and check at a certain location because

1194
01:38:32,279 --> 01:38:41,159
they had seen strange light. And his report reads that

1195
01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:45,239
when he arrived on the place, he found an enormous

1196
01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:51,399
being of almost three meters I mean tall, rather, I

1197
01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:57,840
mean with a rather ugly looking and he was picked

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01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:03,600
up by him and was brought in his craft, where

1199
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,840
he was examined and so on, you know, the typical

1200
01:39:07,279 --> 01:39:13,039
abduction I mean forced abduction case rather typically similar to

1201
01:39:13,079 --> 01:39:17,680
many other cases of these kind, but I mean they

1202
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:24,159
And he said that in this inside this craft, it

1203
01:39:24,359 --> 01:39:28,359
was really worn thirty thirty thirty two thirty three degrees,

1204
01:39:29,079 --> 01:39:33,800
and indeed it was found once very far away I

1205
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:37,279
mean twenty thirty kilometers from the place where he was

1206
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,680
seen for the last time, and he was it was winter,

1207
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:47,520
but he was sweating, it was really sweating. And his car,

1208
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:52,640
because in that occasion it was picked up with his car,

1209
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:57,279
also was extremely worn inside and it was winter. I

1210
01:39:57,319 --> 01:40:03,439
mean really many many there are many many evidences of

1211
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:10,079
these strange events that happened to this Zanfretta. So I

1212
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:17,239
am pretty much convinced that he really lived the extraordinary experiences.

1213
01:40:19,359 --> 01:40:21,239
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'm gonna have to look more into that.

1214
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:26,000
So the kid that was supposedly abducted, I think that

1215
01:40:26,079 --> 01:40:28,560
it came out that he faked it, but I'm trying

1216
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,560
to see. I'm trying to find the name of the

1217
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,600
saint and I'm going to share this article with you

1218
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:42,880
in chat. But the kid's name was Bruno Borges. So

1219
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:49,359
there's there's the article, and there's also a Wikipedia. I

1220
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,319
thought that it came out that it was found as staged,

1221
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,279
but there was a saint that he was following that

1222
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:00,000
was in touch, in touch with Aliens. I'm trying to

1223
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:03,199
find that saint's name, Richie, if you get that name,

1224
01:41:03,239 --> 01:41:04,359
I just posted.

1225
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:08,079
Speaker 2: The I'm checking myself as well.

1226
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: I think it was made in Brazil though.

1227
01:41:13,039 --> 01:41:19,279
Speaker 2: In Brazil, Yes, Bruno Borges, in Brazil, Ario, Bronco.

1228
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: There was somebody's that he was in.

1229
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:31,119
Speaker 2: Ah, Giordano Bruno. It's it's the statue. You are you

1230
01:41:31,239 --> 01:41:34,960
seeing that New York Post article? No, I was, well,

1231
01:41:35,039 --> 01:41:41,600
it's not properly a saint. Giordano Bruno was a friar. Okay, yes,

1232
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:45,000
he was a friar. Indeed who was burned at the

1233
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:47,840
take in Rome, in the center of Rome in the

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01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:55,359
sixteenth century. Yes, exactly. But it's interesting because this Giordano

1235
01:41:55,399 --> 01:41:59,920
Bruno was and apparently apparently he had the capacity I'm

1236
01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:05,880
in judging by his reports, he apparently had the capacity

1237
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,840
to do out of body travels, out of body experiences

1238
01:42:10,079 --> 01:42:14,640
exploring the universe. Because if you read what he wrote,

1239
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,960
you really have the idea that he was capable of

1240
01:42:19,039 --> 01:42:24,560
doing out of body travels visiting the universe. So in

1241
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:29,920
any case, he started. The problem is with the problem

1242
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,680
with him was that at a certain point it started

1243
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:38,880
to write down his ideas which were judged as heretic

1244
01:42:39,159 --> 01:42:42,760
by the church. So you can imagine in sixteenth century,

1245
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:46,800
the Inquisition and so on, and so he handed up

1246
01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:50,520
burned at the stake in Rome. And no wait wait,

1247
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,119
they were kind with him, because first they hanged him

1248
01:42:54,399 --> 01:42:57,920
and then they burned at the body at stake, so

1249
01:42:58,319 --> 01:43:04,640
they were kind to him. Wow if you will, poor guy.

1250
01:43:05,239 --> 01:43:07,720
And no, no, no, no, it's I mean what he

1251
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:13,840
wrote is really really interesting because he he wrote, i

1252
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,600
mean five more than five hundred years ago, things that

1253
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:23,319
nowadays sound very familiar. I mean, there are plenty of

1254
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:30,760
inhabited planets. There are many different planet planetary systems. Blah

1255
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:35,399
blah blah. So I mean something that you nowadays, you

1256
01:43:35,399 --> 01:43:41,159
you find it normal? He that was was?

1257
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 1: He was? He a feelated with her meticism, because I'm

1258
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,800
seeing that link to some of his work. I don't

1259
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:46,279
know if he was.

1260
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:50,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, really, I don't know. Really, I cannot say,

1261
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:53,239
I cannot say nice. Nice.

1262
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do more more digging on this, but definitely

1263
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,680
check out that kid. In the first one, the student,

1264
01:43:58,319 --> 01:44:02,119
so he had bought the shoe statue of him and

1265
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,680
had like cryptic writings and Bible phrases about aliens and stuff,

1266
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:14,600
stuff that says that he uh. A video by Globe

1267
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,479
dot Com shows a giant statue of the sixteenth century

1268
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:22,640
philosopher Giardo Bruno, who was one of the first to

1269
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:26,159
believe that aliens could exist on other planets, which the

1270
01:44:26,279 --> 01:44:29,880
kid bought for almost three thousand dollars in a corner

1271
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:35,840
painted portrait of bores with a green eyed alien in another.

1272
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:41,039
So follow that story. If he faked it, it would

1273
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:45,199
still be a good interview to see why and see

1274
01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:47,920
his love for this philosopher.

1275
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,039
Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting. I don't know, by

1276
01:44:50,079 --> 01:44:52,920
the way, in any case, Jordano Bruno was really a

1277
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,039
remarkable figure.

1278
01:44:54,399 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 1: Indeed, I'm gonna do more research on it, so check

1279
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,199
it out. Yeah, I gets at the bottom of it. Polo.

1280
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:04,239
Thank you for coming on, brother h Man. I enjoyed.

1281
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 2: Thank you, Gary, my pleasure, you know.

1282
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,560
Speaker 1: Digging through this with you and uh so good. And

1283
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:11,680
I'm gonna have to go back and watch it. And

1284
01:45:12,319 --> 01:45:15,439
even if you if you had that that uh uh

1285
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,760
you know, those twenty one pages available in a pamphlet

1286
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:22,359
to sell on Amazon, just I you know, I would

1287
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,399
would buy it. And I know a lot of people

1288
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,439
would just to have a physical copy that we can

1289
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,640
reference versus having to go to the internet. You know.

1290
01:45:29,319 --> 01:45:33,199
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, Getty, I sent you. I sent you

1291
01:45:33,279 --> 01:45:39,560
the link hd t ps ct Italia dot org. You

1292
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,600
just go there and print it and you have it

1293
01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:44,720
and you have it physically printed.

1294
01:45:45,239 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: Hey, there we go. There we go again, Polo, thanks

1295
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,039
for coming on. Anytime you want to do it again,

1296
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,680
my pleasure. I'd love to have you.

1297
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:56,279
Speaker 2: So I told you would be. I have a very

1298
01:45:56,439 --> 01:46:00,399
nice presentation on the UMO case, which which I think

1299
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:04,920
it deserves good to be known. Appropriately for sure, even

1300
01:46:05,319 --> 01:46:07,560
if it's a big question mark, because they told you.

1301
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: All of all of it's a question mark, right, even

1302
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,600
the Bible and even the fallen Angels and all of

1303
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,880
the stuff that people claim to know, it's still a

1304
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,680
question mark. So we are the seekers. We are the

1305
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,920
ones to unveil hidden truth. So I'll send you my

1306
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,640
calendar and whenever you want to book it, we'll get

1307
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:26,640
you back on. And what we will do a show

1308
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:31,079
dedicated to the beings. Brother, thanks for coming on and

1309
01:46:31,399 --> 01:46:33,840
I really enjoyed it. We'll do you many blessings.

1310
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, by getty, thank you.

1311
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: My, my, my. Listen, y'all, I don't know what you

1312
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,960
guys thought. We're not int just yet. Come on, don't

1313
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:51,359
push that button, listen. I enjoyed this like I enjoyed this,

1314
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:56,439
and this has been up right up my alley because

1315
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,560
of something I've been studying for the last couple of

1316
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:04,479
days and was the spiritual definitely the spiritual aspect, the

1317
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,479
micro aspect, but also what he brought to the table

1318
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:12,079
was the macro. I've been I've been doing some intent

1319
01:47:12,119 --> 01:47:14,640
I've been doing some intense work the last couple of days.

1320
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:16,680
And uh, and you guys are gonna you guys are

1321
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,800
gonna see some of the information that that I have

1322
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:23,199
been given, some of the revelation that it's just been

1323
01:47:23,239 --> 01:47:26,600
amazing to me. I've been in tears. I've been listen, God,

1324
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:31,520
I'm just there's been automatic writing. There's been the Holy

1325
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,199
Spirit watching over me, coming in my room, telling me

1326
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:37,800
what to write, and I couldn't write it down fast enough.

1327
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:42,279
The last two days have been insane. I've been I

1328
01:47:42,319 --> 01:47:44,800
was given a piece of a puzzle. I took that

1329
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:47,560
piece and I was obedient and faithful with it. And

1330
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:51,800
when I did that, downloads upon downloads that I have.

1331
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:56,560
I have never experienced this now. I I haven't been

1332
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:00,199
a Bible teacher. I've been one that more so just

1333
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:03,800
taught you know it, teaches it in conversation, even though

1334
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,079
my heart is to prove these things in scripture and

1335
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:13,399
to kind of give you an example and a grid

1336
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:17,039
on how what I would call biblically, how the sanctification

1337
01:48:17,239 --> 01:48:20,960
process works. And the sanctification process is to get you

1338
01:48:21,079 --> 01:48:24,439
to ascend. It is how to activate the light body.

1339
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:28,199
It is through enter contemplation, it is through breath work,

1340
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:31,960
but it is that going within and weighing your thoughts.

1341
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:37,319
So this this conversation and every even this scale that

1342
01:48:37,359 --> 01:48:41,439
he created. Listen, I've I've got all of these scriptures

1343
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:44,720
on scales and on weighing and how God weighs our

1344
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,880
heart and even the process that he does it something

1345
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,600
you probably never heard before. It's tied into astro theology.

1346
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:53,800
I'm giving you guys a little bit bit of it.

1347
01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:59,039
And the weird thing about trying to articulate this stuff

1348
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:03,479
is that it all ties together. And there's so many subjects,

1349
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:06,199
but they they're all cohesive. And I'm and so I

1350
01:49:06,199 --> 01:49:09,359
would say the next coming weeks and and coming months,

1351
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:13,399
I'm excited to to get more revelation and to spend

1352
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:17,039
more time studying, but but on time unpacking it the

1353
01:49:17,039 --> 01:49:22,119
best I can. And so just as Polow was was

1354
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:28,039
breaking this down for us with the ascension process, as

1355
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:31,079
he was breaking you down the ascension process, now he didn't.

1356
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:38,800
It was more so of uh planetary ascension civilizations to

1357
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,039
go beyond tribal to go to the next level. And

1358
01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:44,800
there's and there's three keys to to break it down

1359
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:46,279
to a sin that you got to get all of

1360
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:49,119
them down to go to the next levels. You don't

1361
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:52,039
have the spiritual technology to go to the next level.

1362
01:49:52,279 --> 01:49:55,920
You may have the moral technology, you may have the

1363
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:59,239
social technology or the political technology, but you got to

1364
01:49:59,239 --> 01:50:01,960
have this spiritual or the technological. You have to be

1365
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,800
able to learn your body. You have to be able

1366
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:06,920
to know yourself, to be in touch and be in

1367
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:10,960
tuned when the mind and body become as one and

1368
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,920
so listen. I don't know how much I should share here,

1369
01:50:14,199 --> 01:50:17,520
but this is a process that we go through every night.

1370
01:50:18,199 --> 01:50:20,079
Every night when you lay your head on your pillow,

1371
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:23,319
you're going through what we call the courts of heaven.

1372
01:50:24,319 --> 01:50:28,560
Court is being held on which demons and which angels

1373
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:32,880
are able to approach you the next day. What you're

1374
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:34,760
able to go through every night that you lay your

1375
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,039
head on your pillow, you're going through these cycles. You're

1376
01:50:37,039 --> 01:50:40,880
going through the watches of the Lord. There's four watches,

1377
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:43,800
and we're going through those cycles. We know the witching

1378
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:48,119
hour is the darkest part of the night, which is

1379
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,800
around midnight. Midnight is the second watch, and it is

1380
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:56,399
the witching hour, and those spirits are loosed onto the earth. Listen,

1381
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,960
we know that in witchcraft, we know that in Jewish mystices.

1382
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:04,840
But it's the darkest part. It is the cross when

1383
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:09,439
Jesus died and then he rose again with the cocks crow,

1384
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:14,520
or the rising of the sun. So you're coming out

1385
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,439
of your darkness, you're being tried, and then the light

1386
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:21,359
of Christ is rising within you for that morning sun

1387
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:24,079
to rise in your hearts. As the morning star rises

1388
01:51:24,199 --> 01:51:27,800
or as the day star rises, you get the light.

1389
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:31,319
You're able to see. That light helps you navigate through

1390
01:51:31,319 --> 01:51:34,560
the night, through the darkness, the dark night of the soul.

1391
01:51:35,039 --> 01:51:37,960
And just as we're talking about individually, we're going through

1392
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:42,119
this individually every day twenty four hour period. But it's

1393
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:45,600
governed by the sun. It's astro theology, but it's also

1394
01:51:46,039 --> 01:51:49,239
governed by the moon every month, and then it's governed

1395
01:51:49,279 --> 01:51:52,520
by the stars every year. And the Lord has just

1396
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,399
been giving me all of this revelation. And it's not

1397
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:58,239
just the head knowledge, because there's scriptures upon scriptures, and

1398
01:51:58,279 --> 01:52:01,279
the Bible is changing, the Bible is orphing it and

1399
01:52:01,319 --> 01:52:05,079
taking new. Everything's taken new. Meaning this is a supernatural

1400
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,520
encounter that I've been having the last couple of days.

1401
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,039
It sounds like a bit of psychosis. And if you

1402
01:52:11,079 --> 01:52:14,159
can't explain it, and if you can't teach it and

1403
01:52:14,279 --> 01:52:17,239
articulate it. Then it is so I pray that I'm

1404
01:52:17,279 --> 01:52:22,439
able to teach it and to share it in such

1405
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:24,600
ways that that I've known a lot of it. It's

1406
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:26,720
part of what I've been studying. It's what my book

1407
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:30,199
was about, but only a piece that there is courts

1408
01:52:30,199 --> 01:52:35,600
in heaven that Satan and the angels and the spirits

1409
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:39,680
approach God every night wanting to come down and visit

1410
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,920
you and to tempt you and to try you. It

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01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:43,880
is a court hearing. It is legal ground. It is

1412
01:52:44,039 --> 01:52:49,199
legal room that you've You've made for those beings, for

1413
01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:55,039
those entities to come, the blessings and the curses. So

1414
01:52:57,359 --> 01:53:00,199
I can give overviews. I've been given overviews. But this

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01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:01,840
has just been something that's really near and dear to

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my heart, and I thought it was very synchronistic that

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I talked to Paulo today that there's even some more

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pieces to these levels of ascension. It is how to

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activate your light body. Why, because you're getting light within you,

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you're getting the darkness out of your heart. You got

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to get the darkness out for the light to come in.

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And what does the light do? It helps you navigate

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through the night. It is the parable of the ten versins. Well,

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only a couple of them did the inner work, who

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submitted to that sanctification process, and they had oil within

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their lamp. You have to be trampled, you have to

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go through this grinding process to be refined by the

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refiner's fire. And that's the fire, that's the light, that's

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the oil that helps you navigate through the night. It

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is submitting to the word of God. It is submitting

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to the spirit of God that dwells in it lives

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in each and every one of us, so that he

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can make a home with it. You get so full

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of God that all of those other things are exterminated,

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those other areas of your life. The planetary ascension, in

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the ascending of your planet. You are a world. You

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are a world that you govern yourself. The Kingdom of

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Heaven is within you. And there's many rooms. There's many portals.

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In my father's house, there are many mansions, there are

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many rooms, but I've gone to prepare a place for you.

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Jesus was the perfect example. That's why he became the

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first born among many brethren. And he is the chief cornerstone,

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the chief cornerstone that has laid made out of gold

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because it's been tried by the fire. He's been tempted

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in every way and pasted every test is send it

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and he is the chief cornerstone that we build upon.

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And if you build upon that, everything that can be

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will be shaken. Every day, every night when you lay

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your head on your pillow, this process happens, but even

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another one every week, every month, every year, in every decade,

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and also every age. We're gonna break this down. I

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hope that it does not fall upon deaf ears, and

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I hope that I'm able to apply it to my

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life first and then articulate it and share it. So

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with that being said, guys, I'm going to jump off here.

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I got another interview to do here in a little while.

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I'm going to be on a lot of different podcast

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in the next couple of weeks, a bunch of stuff

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going on, and so I want to say hello and

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welcome all of the new listeners. As I've been doing

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other podcasts the last week, we've gone up a good

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bit of new subscribe who are new to the channel,

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who are new to the podcast. So I just want

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to welcome you to Gary's podcast, and I love you

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so much and I'm glad that you're here with us

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and you're part of this journey. So with that, I'm

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gonna say peace and shaloon. We're gonna do it again

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very soon, guys. Peace, Peace and shaloon. Peace, Joe, so much,

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so much, so.

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Speaker 2: Much, so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, that does it for this episode. Folks.

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