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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Deep Dive, where we slice through your articles,

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<v Speaker 1>research and notes to bring you the most potent nuggets

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<v Speaker 1>of knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Our mission today is to cut through the digital noise

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<v Speaker 1>and give you a shortcut to truly understanding the ever

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<v Speaker 1>evolving landscape of cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>This certainly evolves quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>We're jumping into the fascinating and sometimes frankly alarming world

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<v Speaker 1>of cyber threats, the minds behind them, and well the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic ways we're trying to defend against them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>You've shared some incredibly insightful source material, giving us a

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<v Speaker 1>deep look at the core concepts, real world attacks and

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<v Speaker 1>the intricate dance between offense and defense.

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<v Speaker 2>And what immediately becomes clear from this material is the

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<v Speaker 2>intricate interconnectedness of all these elements. How so, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about everything from the initial reconnaissance and attacker performs, to

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<v Speaker 2>the specific types of malware they deploy, the cryptographic vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 2>they might exploit, and finally how organizations attempt to predict, detect,

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<v Speaker 2>and mitigate these complex threats. We'll be breaking down these layers,

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<v Speaker 2>connecting the dots and maybe uncovering some surprising facts along

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<v Speaker 2>the way.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does this all mean for you, whether you're

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<v Speaker 1>prepping for a crucial meeting, catching up on the field,

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<v Speaker 1>or just you know, insanely curious.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hopefully a clearer picture.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to unpack the who, what, and how of

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<v Speaker 1>cyber attacks and then pivot to the cutting edge strategies

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<v Speaker 1>for defense, giving you a much clearer view of this

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<v Speaker 1>vital domain. Let's get started, Okay, let's unpack this. Our

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<v Speaker 1>sources kick off by setting the stage with the vision

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<v Speaker 1>of the Internet of things, you know, countless devices talking

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<v Speaker 1>to each other, creating incredibly intelligent environments.

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<v Speaker 2>Smart homes, smart cities exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But this technological revolution, as our material notes, opens up

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<v Speaker 1>entirely new forms of sophisticated threats.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, if we connect this to the bigger picture, the

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<v Speaker 2>sheer complexity and vast diversity of these IoT networks create

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<v Speaker 2>inherent security challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense. Too many different things talking, right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>The first step towards an effective defense strategy then is

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<v Speaker 2>to really understand the threats, not just what they are,

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<v Speaker 2>but who is behind them, what drives them, and how

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<v Speaker 2>they operate.

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<v Speaker 1>And our sources give us a fantastic framework for understanding

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<v Speaker 1>how these attacks unfold the cyber attack kil chain, Could

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<v Speaker 1>you walk us through the key steps in that sequence?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, it maps the attacker's.

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<v Speaker 1>Journey from the initial reconnaissance all the way to the

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<v Speaker 1>final action on objective. It sounds like it truly maps

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<v Speaker 1>out the attackers full journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. It's a sequence of interconnected steps. Reconnaissance that's the

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<v Speaker 2>info gathering, okay, then weaponization, delivery, exploitation, installation, command and

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<v Speaker 2>control C and C. Got it, and finally action upon

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<v Speaker 2>the objective. Each phase builds on the last.

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<v Speaker 1>That lays it out clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Building on that concept, a crucial question that emerges, Who

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<v Speaker 2>exactly are these attackers we're talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Good question.

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<v Speaker 2>Our material categorizes them by their location relative to an

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<v Speaker 2>order organization internal, external, or sometimes mixed.

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<v Speaker 1>Groups inside jobs too.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh oh definitely. But more importantly, it breaks them down

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<v Speaker 2>by their skills, motives, and targets.

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<v Speaker 1>And digging into the profiles of these actors, our sources

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<v Speaker 1>identify seven distinct types. That's quite a few. It is

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<v Speaker 1>from the highly skilled virus and hacking tools coders who

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<v Speaker 1>build these digital weapons for financial gain, the real pros

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to script kitties who, despite being non

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<v Speaker 1>experts simply using off the shelf tools, well, they still

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<v Speaker 1>cause problems, right.

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<v Speaker 2>They contribute significantly to the sheer volume of attacks and

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<v Speaker 2>background noise, often making it harder to spot the more

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<v Speaker 2>sophisticated threats.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a full ecosystem, an ecosystem, that's a good way

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<v Speaker 2>And a key takeaway here is the economics of these

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<v Speaker 2>digital weapons. Our material delves into the vulnerability markets.

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<v Speaker 1>Vulnerability markets you mean like places to buy and sell

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<v Speaker 1>ways to break into systems exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You have regulated markets like bug bounty programs from tech

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<v Speaker 2>giants like Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Right, I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Heard of those companies pay you to find.

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<v Speaker 2>Flaws, Yes, and even institutions like the US Pentagon and

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<v Speaker 2>MIT run.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, and the payouts can be staggering. Our sources mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, a zero quick persistence vulnerability for Android mobiles.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero click, meaning the victim doesn't have to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>That's terrifying. An attacker can gain and maintain control of

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<v Speaker 1>your device without you even tapping on a link or

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<v Speaker 1>opening a file, a direct takeover, precisely, and that could

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<v Speaker 1>go for up to two point five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>USD that's what the sources suggests.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet or a Windows remote code execution for up to

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollars, that's a serious incentives.

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<v Speaker 2>Is absolutely is serious money involved. But then you have

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<v Speaker 2>the unregulated markets, the gray and black markets.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the shadier side.

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<v Speaker 2>Our sources highlight that even governmental agencies like the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>also buy vulnerabilities through these markets for both offensive and

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<v Speaker 1>Really, government's buying on the black market.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems so. According to the material and exploit kits.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the early twenty tens could rent for thousands per.

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<v Speaker 1>Month renting attack tools.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the staggering price tag on these zero day

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerabilities isn't just a number. It reveals a critical truth.

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<v Speaker 2>The most potent digital weapons are primarily accessible to nation

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<v Speaker 2>states and the most resourced criminal enterprises.

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<v Speaker 1>So not your average hacker generally.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this fundamentally reshapes the defense challenge, forcing organizations to

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<v Speaker 2>contend with adversaries operating on an entirely different playing field.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so, once an attacker has their weapons and a

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<v Speaker 1>target in mind, the very first phase of that quel

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<v Speaker 1>chain is reconnaissance, basically gathering info.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. Our sources describe this as potentially a lengthy process

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<v Speaker 2>from days to months, designed to map out in organization's digital.

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<v Speaker 1>Assets days to months just looking around.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, Yeah, patience is key. This process can be passive

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<v Speaker 2>or active. Passive meaning passive reconnaissance involves gathering information without

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<v Speaker 2>directly interacting with the target system. I think using public

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<v Speaker 2>databases like wuh was search engines.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff that's already out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, or even just eavesdropping on communications outside a networks perimeter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's truly undetectable, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But active reconnaissance involves launching probes directly against the target system.

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<v Speaker 2>You're knocking on the door.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where tools come in. Our sources describe applications

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<v Speaker 1>like recondog, which can perform NS lookups to find a

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<v Speaker 1>domains records like ANS or MX records, or uncover subdomains

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<v Speaker 1>like PCDESX or backupserver, dot scantis, dot up, dot gr.

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<v Speaker 2>Finding all the connected pieces. Yes, and Recondog's ability to

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<v Speaker 2>pipeline operations. Passing the output of one command as the

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<v Speaker 2>input to the next makes information gathering much more.

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<v Speaker 3>Efficient, streamlines the process it does, though our material does

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<v Speaker 3>caution that header's intended for human reading can sometimes be

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<v Speaker 3>misinterpreted as scan targets, leading to erroneous outputs.

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<v Speaker 1>So not fool proof, right, potential glitches. Beyond just domain info,

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<v Speaker 1>attackers move to network scanning.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to see what's actually running on the network.

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<v Speaker 1>Our sources explain that tools like end maps send specially

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<v Speaker 1>crafted packets to determine what devices are active, what services

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<v Speaker 1>and versions they're running, what operating system they're operating systems,

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<v Speaker 1>and even security measures like firewalls. Wow, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of info from just sending packets.

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<v Speaker 2>En map is the de facto tool for this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very powerful. It can perform port scanning to identify open,

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<v Speaker 2>filtered or closed.

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<v Speaker 1>Ports, open ports being the unlocked doors we mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially yes a key technique. The tcpsyn scan is particularly

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<v Speaker 2>fast and stealthy because it never fully completes a TCP connection.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that work?

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it like a quick knock on the door.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone answers sends back a SENEC packet. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>know they're home, the port's open, but you leave said

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<v Speaker 2>an RST packet before you're formally invited inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, so you get the info without completing the traceable handshake.

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<v Speaker 1>Very sneaky.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes it incredible difficult to trace effectively.

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<v Speaker 1>So an attacker can quickly map open doors without raising

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<v Speaker 1>too much suspicion, essentially doing a quick, quiet walkthrough of

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<v Speaker 1>your digital house.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty good analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>After scanning comes vulnerability scanning, identifying actual weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Finding the exploitable doors or windows.

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<v Speaker 1>Our sources differentiate between non intrusive scans, which simply log

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerabilities without interacting to taking goats, and intrusive ones, which

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<v Speaker 1>actually attempt to exploit them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're trying to dere not maybe jiggling the window.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and intrusive scans of course carry the risk of

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<v Speaker 1>damic data loss, service disruption, or even injecting new vulnerabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a risky move for an attack or two potentially

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<v Speaker 2>noisier Building on that, a crucial consideration for attackers is

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<v Speaker 2>how to avoid detection during all this reconnaissance?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how do they stay hidden?

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<v Speaker 2>Our sources detail several evation techniques. For instance, they can

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<v Speaker 2>try to detect firewalls using methods like firewalking. Firewalking it

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<v Speaker 2>involves sending packets with spec time to live or TTL values.

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<v Speaker 2>If the packet expires after the suspected firewall location, it

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<v Speaker 2>can reveal if the firewall allowed the traffic through, effectively

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<v Speaker 2>mapping the security perimeter without directly attacking the firewall itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Clever, or they can look for intrusion detection systems IDSS systems.

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<v Speaker 2>Designed to spot suspicious activity.

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<v Speaker 1>A common indication. Our sources say that if an IDs

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the network route, a trace route utility

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<v Speaker 1>might display an incomplete line for that HOP.

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<v Speaker 2>Because IDs typically don't respond with the usual hop information

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<v Speaker 1>A subtle clue, little giveaways.

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<v Speaker 2>One surprising aspect here is the concept of a honeypot ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I've heard of these, like bait for hackers exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>These are systems intentionally set up to appear exposed and vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 2>designed specifically to attract attackers.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you want to attract them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since no legitimate user would ever interact with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Any probes or communications immediately indicate a reconnaissance or attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Attempt ah like a silent alarm.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, they are used to detect and prevent attacks, but

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<v Speaker 2>also crucially for information gathering and research into attacker methods.

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<v Speaker 2>You learn how they.

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<v Speaker 1>Operate, fascinating an attackers in turn look for signs of

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<v Speaker 1>a honeypot.

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<v Speaker 2>They do things like too many open ports, may be

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<v Speaker 2>suspiciously slow service responsiveness because of extensive logging happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the background, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Even traffic redirection that seems unnatural.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. It truly is a cat and mouse game at

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<v Speaker 2>every level.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds you that in this digital realm, nothing is

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<v Speaker 1>quite what it seems, and both sides are constantly innovating

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<v Speaker 2>Other constant evolution.

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<v Speaker 1>So, after all that meticulous reconnaissance and evasion, once the

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<v Speaker 1>attacker has identified the weak points, they move to the

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<v Speaker 1>action upon objective phase.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and beyond keycs, the Internet of Things paradigm has

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<v Speaker 1>And launched distributed denial of service. Ordidas attacked wreaking peak

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<v Speaker 1>Sites unbelievable, gill So. To effectively combat these, we need

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<v Speaker 2>And they also categorize by behavior, including social engineering tactics

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<v Speaker 1>Deeply hidden malware. Okay, So turning to the practicalities of

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<v Speaker 2>in a cage. Pretty much For static analysis, analysts can

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<v Speaker 2>from a watera crise sample, analysts could spot strings related

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<v Speaker 2>Also strings pointing to Windows cryptography APIs showing it intended

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<v Speaker 1>You are O the kill switch? I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>checked that URL and saw it was live, it stop spreading,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing that such a huge attack had such a simple

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes luck plays a part. Moving to defense at a

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<v Speaker 2>The sources highlight weaknesses in common cryptographic algorithms and protocols.

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<v Speaker 1>Where someone intercepts the communication exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Our sources show how an attacker can substitute their public

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<v Speaker 2>They also detail vulnerabilities in the Transport Layer Security TAILS

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, this allowed attackers to decrypt modern TLS one point

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<v Speaker 1>Costs Wow four hundred and forty dollars to break modern encryption.

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<v Speaker 2>In that specific scenario. Yes, this clearly shows why TLS

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<v Speaker 2>So the next logical step is to consider how do

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<v Speaker 1>We have to clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Our sources introduce risk management, which is about framing, assessing,

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<v Speaker 2>responding to, and monitoring risk. It's a continuous cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just a one time fix. No.

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<v Speaker 2>They describe the Common Vulnerability Scoring System CBSS as a

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<v Speaker 4>Giving vulnerabilities a score right using metrics like attack sector, network, local, physical, physical,

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<v Speaker 4>attack complexity low high, and user interaction none required required, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You can prioritize fixing the worst ones first.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the idea. It helps organizations allocate resources effectively.

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<v Speaker 1>And the advanced tools for detection and mitigation are evolving fast, too,

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<v Speaker 1>very fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Our sources talk about machine learning being used extensively for malware.

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<v Speaker 1>Detection AI finding the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, yes, it's crucial. We're finding zero day malware, brand

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<v Speaker 2>new threats, or heavily obfuscated malware that traditional signature based systems.

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<v Speaker 1>The ones looking for known fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 2>Would completely miss mL looks for behavioral patterns, anomalies, things

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, got to look for behavior not just

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<v Speaker 2>One particularly compelling aspect the sources mentioned is malware visualization.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine converting a binary file the raw zeros and ones

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<v Speaker 2>of a program into a two dimensional image like a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how does that help?

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<v Speaker 2>Tools like benefs, dot io and vellows do this. Security

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<v Speaker 2>analysts can then visually identify patterns. Packed or encrypted sections

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<v Speaker 2>often look visually distinct, like areas of high entropy or

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<v Speaker 1>They can spot suspicious parts just by looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>It leverages our innate human ability to spot patterns and anomalies.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes complex data suddenly much more accessible visually.

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<v Speaker 1>That is amazing, a completely different approach.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is, and taking innovation even further. Our sources

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<v Speaker 2>discuss bioinspired.

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<v Speaker 1>Swarm intelligence like ants.

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<v Speaker 2>Inspired by things like bird flocking or ant colonies. Finding

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<v Speaker 2>efficient paths. These algorithms are being adapted to improve malware

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<v Speaker 1>It's like turning nature's own problem solving methods into cybersecurity tools. Fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Attack graphs sounds like a map.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to think about it. These are

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<v Speaker 2>graphical models that explicitly map out and attackers possible pathways

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<v Speaker 1>So not just single vulnerabilities, but how they connect.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely. They help defenders understand the dependencies between vulnerabilities and

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<v Speaker 1>And prioritize where to apply security ca controls most effectively.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Think of it like a dynamic roadmap of potential breaches,

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<v Speaker 2>showing you exactly how an attacker could move from point

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<v Speaker 1>That seems incredibly useful for defense strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. Our sources mentioned the IRS attack graph generator,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically used in intelligent intrusion response systems for home IoT.

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<v Speaker 1>Networks for smart homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it takes a network topology, vulnerability info from scanners

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<v Speaker 2>like NESSIS, and data from the National Vulnerability Database MVD.

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<v Speaker 1>Puts it all together and.

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<v Speaker 2>Generates these graphs. It can even calculate real time remediation

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<v Speaker 2>actions like automatically deploying new firewall rules on the fly

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, automated defense based on the graph.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the promise. Now, these graphical models are complex and

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<v Speaker 1>They get big and unwieldy quickly, they can.

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<v Speaker 2>They allow us to move from just reacting to individual alerts.

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<v Speaker 1>Or attacks to understanding the broader strategic landscape, maybe even

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<v Speaker 2>That's the goal, proactive predictive defense.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I think it's that constant evolution you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the cat mouse game. Yeah, the sheered dynamism of this field,

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<v Speaker 2>the constant shurn of new threats, the surprising, almost bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>economics behind vulnerabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>The multimillion dollar price tags.

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<v Speaker 2>And matched against that, the incredible ingenuity going into intelligent

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<v Speaker 2>If we can take this to the bigger picture, it's

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<v Speaker 2>about firewalls and antivirus software. Those are still important, but

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<v Speaker 2>not an just the basics. Now it's about understanding the

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<v Speaker 2>psychology and economics of attackers, harnessing advanced data science and AI,

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<v Speaker 2>and building intelligent systems that can anticipate and adapt, almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a biological immune system.

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<v Speaker 1>An immune system. I like that. So what does this

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<v Speaker 1>all mean for the future? Where is this heading?

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<v Speaker 2>As our source material highlights, the goal is to shift

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<v Speaker 2>from a reactive stance waiting to get hit and then responding,

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<v Speaker 2>to a truly proactive one, constantly learning, constantly adjusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Always anticipating. Okay, time for our final thought, here's something

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<v Speaker 1>provocative to consider.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, could the.

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<v Speaker 1>Future of cybersecurity be less about building bigger static walls

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<v Speaker 1>and more about creating a constantly evolving intelligent immune system

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<v Speaker 1>for our digital world, one that learns and adapts faster

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<v Speaker 1>than any human attacker or automated botnet could ever hope to.

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<v Speaker 2>An adaptive digital immune system.

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<v Speaker 1>Something for you, tomul Over as you navigate your own

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<v Speaker 1>digital landscape
