WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.399 And something right. I mean, it's right behind me. But 2 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:04.839 I turn around, I could touch it, and it jumps 3 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:06.960 up on all fours and I'm like, well, I'm bad, 4 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:09.560 you know, I'm looking at this thing. It bolts out 5 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:11.640 of the bush into the open. It's right next to me. 6 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:13.279 I mean it is right on top of it. It's 7 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:16.000 down on all fours. It has long arms and legs. 8 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.280 But the back of it, the back of this thing, 9 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.120 I mean, it's not any bigger in two hundred and 10 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.600 fifty to three hundred pounds, it's not much bigger than me. 11 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:25.120 It seemed like as far as height goes. But it's 12 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.280 down on all fours. It's facing away from me. It's 13 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:29.399 starting to book it out through the woods. And I 14 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:30.960 remember the back of it. 15 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:31.280 Though. 16 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:35.320 The muscular of this creature is unbelievable. I mean, it's 17 00:00:35.399 --> 00:01:11.159 just like a very large silver back gorilla. Like I'll 18 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.400 be all over the place, you know, some with no luck, 19 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:15.599 some with a ton of luck. 20 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:16.079 Uh. 21 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.400 The up there in Virginia, it's where the ton of 22 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:23.560 luck was at. I was stationed in Campbell Jeane, so 23 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:25.920 i'd go up to the Crow Ten National Forests. Had 24 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.239 pretty good luck out there and they're extremely shy out 25 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:32.120 in the crow ten. Uh. There, there was no doubt 26 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.079 about that. But I got some quardies out there. That's 27 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:36.439 where I had my third siding. Like plain as day 28 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.319 comes out of the woods, just trots right in front 29 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:43.400 of my car. Ten foot tall female, pinkish red hair, 30 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.239 kind of like a big It's really real. That one 31 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:51.239 was really hard to describe the appearance of it. It 32 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.519 was adorable looking if it wasn't ten foot tall and 33 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.560 made you know, right, it's like I get Do I 34 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:59.159 get out and chase it down and hug it or 35 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:01.319 do I stay in the car leaving the world. I 36 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:02.079 stayed in the car. 37 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:04.480 Yeah. 38 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:06.920 And then I've been to Kaimichi's Yeah, because I mean, 39 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.159 you deal with guys. I think you did a story 40 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.800 on the the whole ubby siege on Hobby and uh, 41 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:16.759 i'd been when those guys actually have a forum. I 42 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:18.199 don't know if you know this, and it was called 43 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:22.120 the Kaimichi Giants. So yeah, so back in the day, 44 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:23.960 in that forum still up, you can go through and 45 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:27.159 read all the posts on it, and uh, that was 46 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:28.639 one of the first things they did, I think, to 47 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:30.400 reach out to the community to try to get help 48 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.120 with what they were doing with I remember, I can't 49 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.000 remember which one it was. I think it was Tim 50 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:40.360 and Mike, right, that was the two Ella's that was 51 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.520 down there having trouble, But I remember one of them. 52 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.000 They people would give them crap all the time and 53 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:47.840 they'd be like, oh, the big Foot isn't real, or 54 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.840 you're you're lying, You're a con man, you know, except 55 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.439 you know how the rundown goes, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, 56 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.240 it was just dragging them. They didn't very much appreciate 57 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.520 being talked to you like that. And I remember him 58 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.560 telling somebody, well, if you think that it's not real, 59 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:05.719 I was about you come on down to my property 60 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:07.400 and I tiede your liver around your neck and you 61 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:08.960 can just walk boys, and you'll. 62 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:10.159 Find out real quick that they're real. 63 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:14.080 Yeah. Well, Opper was most certainly open, and uh, I 64 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.159 was really intrigued to listening to them talk and seeing 65 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:18.680 them going back and forth. I talked to them a 66 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:21.439 little bit on those forums and I said, yeah, someday 67 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.039 I'm going to go to the Kaiameci Mountains and it 68 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.719 was just like like you said, they definitely act different 69 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.039 in the Kayamchi Mountains than what they do in Virginia 70 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.159 or in North Carolina, that is for certain. 71 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.319 Yeah, I don't know why that is. 72 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:33.879 Uh. 73 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.319 I want to say it's because, you know, people down 74 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.879 there kind of have the attitude of if they hear somebody, 75 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.400 you know, snooping around on their property at night, they're 76 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.479 liable just to start blasting out off the front porch 77 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:47.240 with a shotgun. 78 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:50.360 Yeah, they don't like people will come down there and 79 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.479 cause them that ruckus or anything like that. 80 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.879 That's for cert No, But you know there's other parts 81 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:57.599 of the country where people act like that too, and 82 00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:59.960 you don't have the same behavior out of the bigfoots. 83 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.159 I don't really know if that's it or not exactly. 84 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:07.000 I mean, and it was, it's wild over the you know, 85 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:10.240 just being I started in twenty thirteen was when I 86 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:13.639 really started going to the field. And yes, it's actually interesting. 87 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.400 I'll give you like a quick rundown on how I 88 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.839 got into the big Foot thing. It was actually back 89 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.720 in during the Georgia Bigfoot you know, when they had 90 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:26.759 one quote unquote and a freezer. Yeah, all the fallout 91 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.920 from that. I'd never given bigfoot a thought at all ever, 92 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.759 And I saw how much interest that there was in 93 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.519 the subject. I saw just like it was massive news 94 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.480 coverage about it, and then I kind of started delving 95 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.959 into the community and I said, well, this is real, 96 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:44.600 or at least people think this is real and uh, 97 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:47.000 and that they're very very interesting in it and they 98 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.319 take it very seriously. So I should probably start looking 99 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:52.120 into this because at the time, I was really interested in, 100 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:57.839 you know, Gorilla's problems, any it's in North America, you know, 101 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:01.800 questions like that were something that really tread me. And 102 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.399 I was also interested in old stories that you hear 103 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.959 from almost every culture in the world about you know, 104 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:11.360 giant humans like that. I mean, I'm pretty sure that 105 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.120 it is actually every culture has stories about that. So 106 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.920 I'm looking into the subject. You know, I'm not really sure, 107 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.240 you know, is it real? Uh? Is it ape? Is 108 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:24.480 it you know, some sort of you know, ancient human 109 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.240 or something like that that's we're just kind of never 110 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:32.040 really recorded. We've not run into it or And I 111 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.639 came across Dave Polattis's work, and Dave noted that if 112 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:39.240 you overlay a map of the average annual precipitation in 113 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.079 the United States with a map of the sightings that 114 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.959 people had accumulated back then, and it's I think it's 115 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.800 up to about seven thousand sightings on this map that 116 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.800 can be given out and anybody can go look that up. 117 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.519 But when you do that overlay, it lines up perfectly. 118 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.879 I mean, you can't fake that well. I mean, in fairness, 119 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.000 those areas have the most you know, the highest annual 120 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.000 percentages of rainfall are also going to be the ones 121 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:07.079 that have the most vegetation, the most woods, the most cover, 122 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:08.839 So like, of course they're going to be in those 123 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:10.680 areas exactly. 124 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.959 It makes perfect sense too. And and the more water 125 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.399 you've got in an area, the more vegetation and all that, 126 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:19.920 were like, you're going to run into one and that's 127 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.720 just kind of it's a simple pretty much as simple 128 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.120 as that. You know, there's other factors that go into it, 129 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.839 I've learned, but that's that's the big one. If you 130 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.399 ain't got water, you're probably like there might they might 131 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.519 be moving through an area that doesn't have water, but 132 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.240 they ain't going to be moving through it real long. 133 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:38.000 It seems like because every encounter I've had this one 134 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.240 over the years, it's been near water. 135 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.199 Yeah, I mean, that was one of the main things 136 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.920 that we always look for. It was multiple sources of 137 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:49.120 fresh water in an area. 138 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.720 Oh yeah, that's so, that's that's the key for shirt. 139 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.439 And it seems like they use the water to travel 140 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.720 around too. That's like when they're moving a lot of 141 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.560 times it's in a creek, it seems like or right 142 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.439 next to one. And that's even moving like locally when 143 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.399 they're really close to you. But yeah, I started so 144 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.240 I saw that, and you know, I just kept devouring information. 145 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.079 I think I remember I counted and within the first 146 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:19.000 two years after that, it was like twenty thousand pages 147 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:22.600 worth of sightings that I'd went over see, just a 148 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.040 maddening amount of data and just we're being learned from 149 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:31.079 anybody that I could learn from, you know, any forums again, 150 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.959 the Kaimuta Giants forum, I learned from those guys obviously, 151 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.319 the Big Flop forums, bf ro O, I mean, you 152 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.279 name it. I was going through it and learning from 153 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.439 different people. It's like I started learning from the Native 154 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:47.120 American community quite a bits. They're starting to become more public, 155 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.519 I guess with the subject, and they were like, well, 156 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.279 it's it's a it's a people, you know, that's kind 157 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.560 of their stance on it. This is guys like Robert 158 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.120 Morgan and Arla Williams and you know, different people, and 159 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:01.399 it's definitely a people. They have a language, you know, 160 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.319 they have a family structure, et cetera, et cetera. And 161 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.879 it was actually her about twenty thirteen that started going 162 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.360 out to the field because yeah, I figured, you know, 163 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:14.839 not just out here rip from people's heads off. These 164 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:16.959 things aren't really dangerous unless you give them a reason 165 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.600 to be dangerous. Typically you've got to really push them 166 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.759 to get them really mad at you or make a 167 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.480 mistake like usually it seems like you interrupt like a 168 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:28.920 hunt or something like that. I mean, it's you or 169 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.480 you're around one and they got kids around, they don't 170 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.799 want you around. So it's just time to leave, get 171 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:39.159 out of there, and you'll be fine, because if one 172 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:40.559 of them wanted to get you, I mean, the fact 173 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:42.080 of the matter is, and you probably agree with me, 174 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.080 you're not going to hear it. It's gonna sneak up 175 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.840 on you and you're gonna get ambushed, right or they're 176 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.279 just gonna have the rock from you know, half the 177 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.039 football field away had rock selling at me and everything, 178 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:55.919 and the accuracy is unbelievable. 179 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.639 I think that's something that doesn't really get talked about 180 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:01.960 a lot. I mean, everybody talks about rock throwing, of course, 181 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.799 but you know, the vast majority of rock throwing is 182 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:08.559 just maybe somebody's sitting on the bank of a river 183 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:11.440 somewhere fishing and you know, rocks start flying or whatever. 184 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:19.200 But there's instances where their accuracy is crazy, especially with 185 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.840 the fact that they're throwing through trees to begin with. 186 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.519 I mean, if I throw a rock through the woods, 187 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:26.879 I'm hitting the first tree closest to me and it's 188 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.399 gonna probably ricochet and hit me in the head. And 189 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.840 I've seen these things, you know, beat them off a 190 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:35.840 little lantern pole and in a campsite, you know, little 191 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.240 pebbles coming from the tree cover. And I don't know 192 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:38.879 how they do it. 193 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:41.720 Yeah, I don't know how they have that amount of 194 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.320 accuracy at all. And they're doing it like undercover too. 195 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:47.720 Like you said, it's like you'll never hardly see one 196 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:49.840 throw a rock. I know I never have, and I've 197 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.639 hardly ever heard of anybody actually seeing one when they 198 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.039 throw it. And but I mean you'll hit, I mean 199 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.399 you'll hit literally just inches from you, but never hits 200 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:03.519 you never hit yet but if it's just crazy, and 201 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:05.720 I know that they use it the hunt. Sometimes they 202 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:07.799 do that just to get your attention, or they're just 203 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:09.600 messing with you. It seems like a lot of the 204 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.519 stuffs they do because I've been bluff charged two times 205 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.360 and they wait until I'm dead asleep. Of course when 206 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:17.559 they do it and it seems like that, it's usually 207 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.120 just to mess with you. It's just a sense of 208 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.320 humored thing almost, see what you'll do. Yeah, yeah, I 209 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:25.720 don't like being woken up like that. 210 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.639 But it makes good Yeah that's not fun. Never a 211 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:30.120 good time. 212 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:34.000 Oh yeah, on those days, I certainly don't need coffee, 213 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:36.360 So wake up when that happens, and I'm back to 214 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:40.559 sleep either. That was that was actually the first night 215 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.440 in the Kaimichi Mountains. That's that's exactly how it went. 216 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.720 One of them, well that that was a fun story 217 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:49.159 up there. So I can't going through those forums and 218 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:53.159 hearing him talk about you know, well him, that's sure, 219 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.519 how fact of the matter he said it. I will 220 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.759 tie a deer liver around your neck and you can 221 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.519 walk into the woods and you will find out instantaneously 222 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.399 that they are real. Yeah, so I finally got a 223 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:07.200 chance that this has been. I was in the military 224 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:08.960 to go up to the Kaimichies, and I didn't have 225 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:10.840 a gun or anything on me because I was coming 226 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.240 off to the military base. I'd been there for about 227 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.720 nine months training and I was just ready to get 228 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.919 out out of that base and into the woods. So 229 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:21.320 I get up there to the Kaiamichis and I travel 230 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:24.000 around the area and there's nobody in these woods. I mean, 231 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.440 there's just nobody. Because I think it was midweek, it 232 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.360 was well out of hunting season. It's you know, I 233 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.360 can't remember at the exact time of year, but it 234 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.399 would have been, you know, pretty early in betweeny I'd 235 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.440 have to go back and look at it. But that's 236 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.320 where that audio recording, since it comes from. And so 237 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.200 when I'm up there, I ran this truck and I'm 238 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.519 out walking around through these woods, and like I said, 239 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.000 there's nobody up there at all. Because I checked all 240 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.600 over the place and drove all the roads that cut 241 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:57.519 through these mountains, and I decided at some point there's 242 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.320 no activity going on during the day, I might as 243 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:01.240 well go ahead and down in my hammock and read 244 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.440 some books and go to sleep and maybe not tying stuff. 245 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:06.440 Will pop off. It's like, well, so I go up 246 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:08.519 to this truck and there's this big I guess it's 247 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.759 a rhododendron kind of thing right next to it. And 248 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.000 I have a video that you can look at. I 249 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.440 can send it to you after this before that thing 250 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:17.960 is laying and it's right next to me. I mean 251 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.080 it's lewly, just a couple of feet from my feet. 252 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:24.159 I mean, let's truck messing around with my back, turn 253 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.759 to this bush and I accidentally slam a piece of 254 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.320 lugget down on the back of it. Too heavy and 255 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.519 something right. I mean, it's right behind me. But I 256 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.080 turn around I could touch it, and it jumps up 257 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.320 on all fours and I'm like, well, I'm dead. You know, 258 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:40.320 A black bear or something is right on top of me, 259 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:42.120 and I'm gonna get eat because I don't even have 260 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:45.320 a knife on me, you know, I have nothing. And 261 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:46.919 I'm like I saw. I'm like, well, if it's gonna 262 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:48.679 get me, I might as well turn around look at it. 263 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.240 And I'm looking at this thing and it bolts out 264 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:54.320 of the bush into the open. It's right next to me. 265 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.519 I mean it is right on top of me. It's 266 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:59.200 down on all fours. It has long arms and legs, 267 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.120 the way different than what a bear, way different what 268 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.200 a bear has. But the hair looks like a bear. 269 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.360 It's like it's long, black, shiny hair. It takes me 270 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.480 a while to realize the difference between its hair and 271 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:12.360 a bears. But the back of it, the back of 272 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:14.159 this thing, I mean, it's not any bigger in two 273 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.480 hundred and fifty to three hundred pounds, it's not much 274 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.360 bigger than me. It seemed like as far as height goes, 275 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.120 it's down on all fours, it's facing away from me. 276 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:26.000 It's starting to book it out through the woods, basically 277 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.759 going over hill. Behind covers what it's head it towards. 278 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:34.200 And I remember the back of it though. The muscularture 279 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.360 of this creature is unbelievable. I mean, it's just like 280 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.759 a very large silver back gorilla on the back. And 281 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:42.960 that's one of the things that's different about these things 282 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.799 that you know, some people know, some people don't, is 283 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:47.720 when you look at a bear from the back like that. 284 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:50.000 A bear has a slope to it, and that's grizzly 285 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.600 bear and black bear. But these things, I've never seen 286 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.799 one with that slope like it is a plain like 287 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:00.200 body builder ish back that they have to them, or 288 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.080 it's just a straight flat across the back. It's one 289 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:04.720 of the other, it seems like. And I guess that 290 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.159 just depends on how bick the hair is or how 291 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.279 muscle up that individual is. But that's what I'm looking at. 292 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:12.000 And I'm watching this thing run away from me and 293 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.639 just kind of dumbfounded, and I'm like, well, I thought 294 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:16.639 that there was nothing going on during the day, but 295 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.840 then that happened. I don't know exactly what that is 296 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.200 for running from me. There's no mistake in what it is. 297 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.039 And I'm like, well, I'm not going to follow it 298 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:27.600 because that would be pretty stupid and it would either 299 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:29.639 piss it off or it would make them not trust me. 300 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.320 So I'm just gonna go ahead with my planing down 301 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:35.159 to my hammocks, keep sitting up and just lay there 302 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.039 until I go sleep. And the way my hammock is 303 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.519 set up is, you know, tied between two trees, and 304 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.000 I'll throw a have a rope that's tied around the 305 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.360 top of it, and I throw it's hark over it 306 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:48.960 to kind of cover me up from the ailments and 307 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:53.000 keep everything off of me. Give me a little bit 308 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.080 of a little bit of cover, right, And so I'm 309 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.679 laying there and if I go back on the audio 310 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:00.639 or a quarter I can look at it size time 311 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:04.679 that this happened. But something in about the am, you know, 312 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:08.039 very very late at night, just takes off through the woods, 313 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.320 running at me. And I mean it is moving fast. 314 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.559 It is really really fast, and it sounds like it's 315 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:15.360 about the same size as what I'd just seen during 316 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:19.399 the day. And and the time that it takes me 317 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.279 to lift that tarp up to see this thing because 318 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.399 it because I was like, if it's a bear, it's 319 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.200 attacking me, and I need to get in the same space, 320 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:29.000 because that's you know, that's what you gotta do. You 321 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.080 gotta at least try to intimidate the intimidator. In this situation, 322 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.320 that's the only chance I've got. And if it's a 323 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:37.840 big foot, then I'd really like to see it. So 324 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.279 I lift the tarp up and I switched my head 325 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:42.039 lamp off. I always sleep at the head lamp on, 326 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.759 which sounds weird, but I'm alone out in the middle 327 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:46.279 of the woods, right, so I want to make sure 328 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.080 I've got a light available, and so I lift that 329 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:51.840 tarp up and I looked right at this thing with 330 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:54.519 that light on, and it it By the time that 331 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:56.399 I was able to do that, I mean we're talking 332 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.919 a matter of seconds. I'm looking down at the ground 333 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:01.840 and this thing was right next to me. I mean 334 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:03.480 it was on top of me. I could have reached 335 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.480 out and touched it, but it has jumped to around 336 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.080 where my head is at without. 337 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:10.519 Missing a beat. 338 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.600 That's done this. And I could still see the leaves 339 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:14.759 falling where it kicked them up right next to me, 340 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:16.960 and I'm like, okay, it's going around me like this 341 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:20.360 is definitely not a bear, and I still wanted to 342 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:22.639 see it. Let's see where this thing is going. And 343 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:24.919 so I lean over to the other side of a 344 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.639 hammock and I lift it up. This is my right side, 345 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:31.159 and that takes maybe one to one and a half seconds, 346 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.639 because I have an audio recorder going the whole time, 347 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:35.919 and I could time it. And within the time that 348 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.279 it took me to lean over and do that, this 349 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.440 thing has covered and I measured it carefully fifty feet 350 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.200 running away from me into the woods, and it's back 351 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.360 behind cover and you could see all the bushes and 352 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.639 everything moving that it's ran through. So I timed it, 353 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:52.600 and I think the timing was about twenty five to 354 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.840 twenty seven miles an hour. The thing was moving the 355 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.080 whole time, did not miss a beat, did not slow 356 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:59.799 down once, even when it hit the woods, kept running, 357 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.679 and so it's just going back down through there, and 358 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.119 I'm like, well, that was something, and my heart is racing, 359 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.400 I mean, is absolutely clopping up this point, but left 360 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.680 there's no reason for me to get up and you know, 361 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:14.640 go walking through the woods or anything like that. I'm 362 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.039 I as a little late here if I'm getting this 363 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.319 kind of activity, and see what happens. And then twenty 364 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.680 minutes later, from the exact direction that that thing was running, 365 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:25.640 there's a large creek down there and that is where 366 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:27.920 those wood knocks that I seen you came from. And 367 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.039 it is so loud you feel it through the woods, 368 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.559 and I mean it's I'm talking a football field in 369 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.559 the half away. I think it's my estimate how far 370 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.440 this creek was at that the sound was coming from. 371 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:39.640 It is so loud that you can all I mean, 372 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.519 I swear you could feel it that far away. It's 373 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:46.000 the loudest I've ever heard since I've been going out 374 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.720 and I've been going out to the woods doing this 375 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.680 since twenty thirteen, so so that was that was my 376 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:57.079 first introduction I meet you. But by that point i'd 377 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.319 been you know, i'd had my own experiences and stuff 378 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.680 like that. That was probably like twenty seventeen time frame. 379 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.279 My first real experience was one. You know, I'd been 380 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.559 with the Grays and Highlands, I'd been all over Jinny, 381 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.920 I'd been all over eastern Kennessee. I'd been you know, 382 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:15.680 through the Smokey's, Georgia places like that, and I didn't 383 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.200 have any luck. And I think that the reason I 384 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:20.839 wasn't having any luck was I was, you know, kind 385 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.079 of making a lot of mistakes, not being patient enough 386 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.240 picking my area is right, and not listening to the 387 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:30.400 right things. So the key for me getting my first 388 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:34.119 experience was actually from Arlo Williams. She told me that 389 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.119 you got to listen to the sounds that they make, 390 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:38.480 because most of the sounds that they make are imitations, 391 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.200 and they do it really, really, really well. I've got 392 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:44.640 audio somewhere of one night It's kind of like a 393 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:46.559 dog barking out in the middle of the woods, and 394 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.640 I'm like, well, this dog is lost out here in 395 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.359 the middle of the woods, and it is definitely going 396 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:52.240 to die. So I'm going to go try to find it. 397 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.559 And I get up and I start moving in the 398 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:59.240 direction of this perfect dog bark. I mean, it's not 399 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.720 even it's not even louder. I mean, there's nothing off 400 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.000 about it. But as I start walking towards where this 401 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.160