Speaker 1: And something right. I mean, it's right behind me. But
Speaker 1: I turn around, I could touch it, and it jumps
Speaker 1: up on all fours and I'm like, well, I'm bad,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at this thing. It bolts out
Speaker 1: of the bush into the open. It's right next to me.
Speaker 1: I mean it is right on top of it. It's
Speaker 1: down on all fours. It has long arms and legs.
Speaker 1: But the back of it, the back of this thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not any bigger in two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty to three hundred pounds, it's not much bigger than me.
Speaker 1: It seemed like as far as height goes. But it's
Speaker 1: down on all fours. It's facing away from me. It's
Speaker 1: starting to book it out through the woods. And I
Speaker 1: remember the back of it.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: The muscular of this creature is unbelievable. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just like a very large silver back gorilla. Like I'll
Speaker 1: be all over the place, you know, some with no luck,
Speaker 1: some with a ton of luck.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The up there in Virginia, it's where the ton of
Speaker 1: luck was at. I was stationed in Campbell Jeane, so
Speaker 1: i'd go up to the Crow Ten National Forests. Had
Speaker 1: pretty good luck out there and they're extremely shy out
Speaker 1: in the crow ten. Uh. There, there was no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. But I got some quardies out there. That's
Speaker 1: where I had my third siding. Like plain as day
Speaker 1: comes out of the woods, just trots right in front
Speaker 1: of my car. Ten foot tall female, pinkish red hair,
Speaker 1: kind of like a big It's really real. That one
Speaker 1: was really hard to describe the appearance of it. It
Speaker 1: was adorable looking if it wasn't ten foot tall and
Speaker 1: made you know, right, it's like I get Do I
Speaker 1: get out and chase it down and hug it or
Speaker 1: do I stay in the car leaving the world. I
Speaker 1: stayed in the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I've been to Kaimichi's Yeah, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you deal with guys. I think you did a story
Speaker 1: on the the whole ubby siege on Hobby and uh,
Speaker 1: i'd been when those guys actually have a forum. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, and it was called
Speaker 1: the Kaimichi Giants. So yeah, so back in the day,
Speaker 1: in that forum still up, you can go through and
Speaker 1: read all the posts on it, and uh, that was
Speaker 1: one of the first things they did, I think, to
Speaker 1: reach out to the community to try to get help
Speaker 1: with what they were doing with I remember, I can't
Speaker 1: remember which one it was. I think it was Tim
Speaker 1: and Mike, right, that was the two Ella's that was
Speaker 1: down there having trouble, But I remember one of them.
Speaker 1: They people would give them crap all the time and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, the big Foot isn't real, or
Speaker 1: you're you're lying, You're a con man, you know, except
Speaker 1: you know how the rundown goes, etcetera, etcetera. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just dragging them. They didn't very much appreciate
Speaker 1: being talked to you like that. And I remember him
Speaker 1: telling somebody, well, if you think that it's not real,
Speaker 1: I was about you come on down to my property
Speaker 1: and I tiede your liver around your neck and you
Speaker 1: can just walk boys, and you'll.
Speaker 2: Find out real quick that they're real.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Opper was most certainly open, and uh, I
Speaker 1: was really intrigued to listening to them talk and seeing
Speaker 1: them going back and forth. I talked to them a
Speaker 1: little bit on those forums and I said, yeah, someday
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the Kaiameci Mountains and it
Speaker 1: was just like like you said, they definitely act different
Speaker 1: in the Kayamchi Mountains than what they do in Virginia
Speaker 1: or in North Carolina, that is for certain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why that is.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I want to say it's because, you know, people down
Speaker 2: there kind of have the attitude of if they hear somebody,
Speaker 2: you know, snooping around on their property at night, they're
Speaker 2: liable just to start blasting out off the front porch
Speaker 2: with a shotgun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't like people will come down there and
Speaker 1: cause them that ruckus or anything like that.
Speaker 2: That's for cert No, But you know there's other parts
Speaker 2: of the country where people act like that too, and
Speaker 2: you don't have the same behavior out of the bigfoots.
Speaker 2: I don't really know if that's it or not exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it was, it's wild over the you know,
Speaker 1: just being I started in twenty thirteen was when I
Speaker 1: really started going to the field. And yes, it's actually interesting.
Speaker 1: I'll give you like a quick rundown on how I
Speaker 1: got into the big Foot thing. It was actually back
Speaker 1: in during the Georgia Bigfoot you know, when they had
Speaker 1: one quote unquote and a freezer. Yeah, all the fallout
Speaker 1: from that. I'd never given bigfoot a thought at all ever,
Speaker 1: And I saw how much interest that there was in
Speaker 1: the subject. I saw just like it was massive news
Speaker 1: coverage about it, and then I kind of started delving
Speaker 1: into the community and I said, well, this is real,
Speaker 1: or at least people think this is real and uh,
Speaker 1: and that they're very very interesting in it and they
Speaker 1: take it very seriously. So I should probably start looking
Speaker 1: into this because at the time, I was really interested in,
Speaker 1: you know, Gorilla's problems, any it's in North America, you know,
Speaker 1: questions like that were something that really tread me. And
Speaker 1: I was also interested in old stories that you hear
Speaker 1: from almost every culture in the world about you know,
Speaker 1: giant humans like that. I mean, I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: it is actually every culture has stories about that. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking into the subject. You know, I'm not really sure,
Speaker 1: you know, is it real? Uh? Is it ape? Is
Speaker 1: it you know, some sort of you know, ancient human
Speaker 1: or something like that that's we're just kind of never
Speaker 1: really recorded. We've not run into it or And I
Speaker 1: came across Dave Polattis's work, and Dave noted that if
Speaker 1: you overlay a map of the average annual precipitation in
Speaker 1: the United States with a map of the sightings that
Speaker 1: people had accumulated back then, and it's I think it's
Speaker 1: up to about seven thousand sightings on this map that
Speaker 1: can be given out and anybody can go look that up.
Speaker 1: But when you do that overlay, it lines up perfectly.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't fake that well. I mean, in fairness,
Speaker 2: those areas have the most you know, the highest annual
Speaker 2: percentages of rainfall are also going to be the ones
Speaker 2: that have the most vegetation, the most woods, the most cover,
Speaker 2: So like, of course they're going to be in those
Speaker 2: areas exactly.
Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense too. And and the more water
Speaker 1: you've got in an area, the more vegetation and all that,
Speaker 1: were like, you're going to run into one and that's
Speaker 1: just kind of it's a simple pretty much as simple
Speaker 1: as that. You know, there's other factors that go into it,
Speaker 1: I've learned, but that's that's the big one. If you
Speaker 1: ain't got water, you're probably like there might they might
Speaker 1: be moving through an area that doesn't have water, but
Speaker 1: they ain't going to be moving through it real long.
Speaker 1: It seems like because every encounter I've had this one
Speaker 1: over the years, it's been near water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that was one of the main things
Speaker 2: that we always look for. It was multiple sources of
Speaker 2: fresh water in an area.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's so, that's that's the key for shirt.
Speaker 1: And it seems like they use the water to travel
Speaker 1: around too. That's like when they're moving a lot of
Speaker 1: times it's in a creek, it seems like or right
Speaker 1: next to one. And that's even moving like locally when
Speaker 1: they're really close to you. But yeah, I started so
Speaker 1: I saw that, and you know, I just kept devouring information.
Speaker 1: I think I remember I counted and within the first
Speaker 1: two years after that, it was like twenty thousand pages
Speaker 1: worth of sightings that I'd went over see, just a
Speaker 1: maddening amount of data and just we're being learned from
Speaker 1: anybody that I could learn from, you know, any forums again,
Speaker 1: the Kaimuta Giants forum, I learned from those guys obviously,
Speaker 1: the Big Flop forums, bf ro O, I mean, you
Speaker 1: name it. I was going through it and learning from
Speaker 1: different people. It's like I started learning from the Native
Speaker 1: American community quite a bits. They're starting to become more public,
Speaker 1: I guess with the subject, and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a people, you know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of their stance on it. This is guys like Robert
Speaker 1: Morgan and Arla Williams and you know, different people, and
Speaker 1: it's definitely a people. They have a language, you know,
Speaker 1: they have a family structure, et cetera, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: it was actually her about twenty thirteen that started going
Speaker 1: out to the field because yeah, I figured, you know,
Speaker 1: not just out here rip from people's heads off. These
Speaker 1: things aren't really dangerous unless you give them a reason
Speaker 1: to be dangerous. Typically you've got to really push them
Speaker 1: to get them really mad at you or make a
Speaker 1: mistake like usually it seems like you interrupt like a
Speaker 1: hunt or something like that. I mean, it's you or
Speaker 1: you're around one and they got kids around, they don't
Speaker 1: want you around. So it's just time to leave, get
Speaker 1: out of there, and you'll be fine, because if one
Speaker 1: of them wanted to get you, I mean, the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is, and you probably agree with me,
Speaker 1: you're not going to hear it. It's gonna sneak up
Speaker 1: on you and you're gonna get ambushed, right or they're
Speaker 1: just gonna have the rock from you know, half the
Speaker 1: football field away had rock selling at me and everything,
Speaker 1: and the accuracy is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I think that's something that doesn't really get talked about
Speaker 2: a lot. I mean, everybody talks about rock throwing, of course,
Speaker 2: but you know, the vast majority of rock throwing is
Speaker 2: just maybe somebody's sitting on the bank of a river
Speaker 2: somewhere fishing and you know, rocks start flying or whatever.
Speaker 2: But there's instances where their accuracy is crazy, especially with
Speaker 2: the fact that they're throwing through trees to begin with.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I throw a rock through the woods,
Speaker 2: I'm hitting the first tree closest to me and it's
Speaker 2: gonna probably ricochet and hit me in the head. And
Speaker 2: I've seen these things, you know, beat them off a
Speaker 2: little lantern pole and in a campsite, you know, little
Speaker 2: pebbles coming from the tree cover. And I don't know
Speaker 2: how they do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how they have that amount of
Speaker 1: accuracy at all. And they're doing it like undercover too.
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's like you'll never hardly see one
Speaker 1: throw a rock. I know I never have, and I've
Speaker 1: hardly ever heard of anybody actually seeing one when they
Speaker 1: throw it. And but I mean you'll hit, I mean
Speaker 1: you'll hit literally just inches from you, but never hits
Speaker 1: you never hit yet but if it's just crazy, and
Speaker 1: I know that they use it the hunt. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: do that just to get your attention, or they're just
Speaker 1: messing with you. It seems like a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuffs they do because I've been bluff charged two times
Speaker 1: and they wait until I'm dead asleep. Of course when
Speaker 1: they do it and it seems like that, it's usually
Speaker 1: just to mess with you. It's just a sense of
Speaker 1: humored thing almost, see what you'll do. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like being woken up like that.
Speaker 2: But it makes good Yeah that's not fun. Never a
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, on those days, I certainly don't need coffee,
Speaker 1: So wake up when that happens, and I'm back to
Speaker 1: sleep either. That was that was actually the first night
Speaker 1: in the Kaimichi Mountains. That's that's exactly how it went.
Speaker 1: One of them, well that that was a fun story
Speaker 1: up there. So I can't going through those forums and
Speaker 1: hearing him talk about you know, well him, that's sure,
Speaker 1: how fact of the matter he said it. I will
Speaker 1: tie a deer liver around your neck and you can
Speaker 1: walk into the woods and you will find out instantaneously
Speaker 1: that they are real. Yeah, so I finally got a
Speaker 1: chance that this has been. I was in the military
Speaker 1: to go up to the Kaimichies, and I didn't have
Speaker 1: a gun or anything on me because I was coming
Speaker 1: off to the military base. I'd been there for about
Speaker 1: nine months training and I was just ready to get
Speaker 1: out out of that base and into the woods. So
Speaker 1: I get up there to the Kaiamichis and I travel
Speaker 1: around the area and there's nobody in these woods. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just nobody. Because I think it was midweek, it
Speaker 1: was well out of hunting season. It's you know, I
Speaker 1: can't remember at the exact time of year, but it
Speaker 1: would have been, you know, pretty early in betweeny I'd
Speaker 1: have to go back and look at it. But that's
Speaker 1: where that audio recording, since it comes from. And so
Speaker 1: when I'm up there, I ran this truck and I'm
Speaker 1: out walking around through these woods, and like I said,
Speaker 1: there's nobody up there at all. Because I checked all
Speaker 1: over the place and drove all the roads that cut
Speaker 1: through these mountains, and I decided at some point there's
Speaker 1: no activity going on during the day, I might as
Speaker 1: well go ahead and down in my hammock and read
Speaker 1: some books and go to sleep and maybe not tying stuff.
Speaker 1: Will pop off. It's like, well, so I go up
Speaker 1: to this truck and there's this big I guess it's
Speaker 1: a rhododendron kind of thing right next to it. And
Speaker 1: I have a video that you can look at. I
Speaker 1: can send it to you after this before that thing
Speaker 1: is laying and it's right next to me. I mean
Speaker 1: it's lewly, just a couple of feet from my feet.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's truck messing around with my back, turn
Speaker 1: to this bush and I accidentally slam a piece of
Speaker 1: lugget down on the back of it. Too heavy and
Speaker 1: something right. I mean, it's right behind me. But I
Speaker 1: turn around I could touch it, and it jumps up
Speaker 1: on all fours and I'm like, well, I'm dead. You know,
Speaker 1: A black bear or something is right on top of me,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get eat because I don't even have
Speaker 1: a knife on me, you know, I have nothing. And
Speaker 1: I'm like I saw. I'm like, well, if it's gonna
Speaker 1: get me, I might as well turn around look at it.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at this thing and it bolts out
Speaker 1: of the bush into the open. It's right next to me.
Speaker 1: I mean it is right on top of me. It's
Speaker 1: down on all fours. It has long arms and legs,
Speaker 1: the way different than what a bear, way different what
Speaker 1: a bear has. But the hair looks like a bear.
Speaker 1: It's like it's long, black, shiny hair. It takes me
Speaker 1: a while to realize the difference between its hair and
Speaker 1: a bears. But the back of it, the back of
Speaker 1: this thing, I mean, it's not any bigger in two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to three hundred pounds, it's not much
Speaker 1: bigger than me. It seemed like as far as height goes,
Speaker 1: it's down on all fours, it's facing away from me.
Speaker 1: It's starting to book it out through the woods, basically
Speaker 1: going over hill. Behind covers what it's head it towards.
Speaker 1: And I remember the back of it though. The muscularture
Speaker 1: of this creature is unbelievable. I mean, it's just like
Speaker 1: a very large silver back gorilla on the back. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that's different about these things
Speaker 1: that you know, some people know, some people don't, is
Speaker 1: when you look at a bear from the back like that.
Speaker 1: A bear has a slope to it, and that's grizzly
Speaker 1: bear and black bear. But these things, I've never seen
Speaker 1: one with that slope like it is a plain like
Speaker 1: body builder ish back that they have to them, or
Speaker 1: it's just a straight flat across the back. It's one
Speaker 1: of the other, it seems like. And I guess that
Speaker 1: just depends on how bick the hair is or how
Speaker 1: muscle up that individual is. But that's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: And I'm watching this thing run away from me and
Speaker 1: just kind of dumbfounded, and I'm like, well, I thought
Speaker 1: that there was nothing going on during the day, but
Speaker 1: then that happened. I don't know exactly what that is
Speaker 1: for running from me. There's no mistake in what it is.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I'm not going to follow it
Speaker 1: because that would be pretty stupid and it would either
Speaker 1: piss it off or it would make them not trust me.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna go ahead with my planing down
Speaker 1: to my hammocks, keep sitting up and just lay there
Speaker 1: until I go sleep. And the way my hammock is
Speaker 1: set up is, you know, tied between two trees, and
Speaker 1: I'll throw a have a rope that's tied around the
Speaker 1: top of it, and I throw it's hark over it
Speaker 1: to kind of cover me up from the ailments and
Speaker 1: keep everything off of me. Give me a little bit
Speaker 1: of a little bit of cover, right, And so I'm
Speaker 1: laying there and if I go back on the audio
Speaker 1: or a quarter I can look at it size time
Speaker 1: that this happened. But something in about the am, you know,
Speaker 1: very very late at night, just takes off through the woods,
Speaker 1: running at me. And I mean it is moving fast.
Speaker 1: It is really really fast, and it sounds like it's
Speaker 1: about the same size as what I'd just seen during
Speaker 1: the day. And and the time that it takes me
Speaker 1: to lift that tarp up to see this thing because
Speaker 1: it because I was like, if it's a bear, it's
Speaker 1: attacking me, and I need to get in the same space,
Speaker 1: because that's you know, that's what you gotta do. You
Speaker 1: gotta at least try to intimidate the intimidator. In this situation,
Speaker 1: that's the only chance I've got. And if it's a
Speaker 1: big foot, then I'd really like to see it. So
Speaker 1: I lift the tarp up and I switched my head
Speaker 1: lamp off. I always sleep at the head lamp on,
Speaker 1: which sounds weird, but I'm alone out in the middle
Speaker 1: of the woods, right, so I want to make sure
Speaker 1: I've got a light available, and so I lift that
Speaker 1: tarp up and I looked right at this thing with
Speaker 1: that light on, and it it By the time that
Speaker 1: I was able to do that, I mean we're talking
Speaker 1: a matter of seconds. I'm looking down at the ground
Speaker 1: and this thing was right next to me. I mean
Speaker 1: it was on top of me. I could have reached
Speaker 1: out and touched it, but it has jumped to around
Speaker 1: where my head is at without.
Speaker 2: Missing a beat.
Speaker 1: That's done this. And I could still see the leaves
Speaker 1: falling where it kicked them up right next to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, it's going around me like this
Speaker 1: is definitely not a bear, and I still wanted to
Speaker 1: see it. Let's see where this thing is going. And
Speaker 1: so I lean over to the other side of a
Speaker 1: hammock and I lift it up. This is my right side,
Speaker 1: and that takes maybe one to one and a half seconds,
Speaker 1: because I have an audio recorder going the whole time,
Speaker 1: and I could time it. And within the time that
Speaker 1: it took me to lean over and do that, this
Speaker 1: thing has covered and I measured it carefully fifty feet
Speaker 1: running away from me into the woods, and it's back
Speaker 1: behind cover and you could see all the bushes and
Speaker 1: everything moving that it's ran through. So I timed it,
Speaker 1: and I think the timing was about twenty five to
Speaker 1: twenty seven miles an hour. The thing was moving the
Speaker 1: whole time, did not miss a beat, did not slow
Speaker 1: down once, even when it hit the woods, kept running,
Speaker 1: and so it's just going back down through there, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that was something, and my heart is racing,
Speaker 1: I mean, is absolutely clopping up this point, but left
Speaker 1: there's no reason for me to get up and you know,
Speaker 1: go walking through the woods or anything like that. I'm
Speaker 1: I as a little late here if I'm getting this
Speaker 1: kind of activity, and see what happens. And then twenty
Speaker 1: minutes later, from the exact direction that that thing was running,
Speaker 1: there's a large creek down there and that is where
Speaker 1: those wood knocks that I seen you came from. And
Speaker 1: it is so loud you feel it through the woods,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's I'm talking a football field in
Speaker 1: the half away. I think it's my estimate how far
Speaker 1: this creek was at that the sound was coming from.
Speaker 1: It is so loud that you can all I mean,
Speaker 1: I swear you could feel it that far away. It's
Speaker 1: the loudest I've ever heard since I've been going out
Speaker 1: and I've been going out to the woods doing this
Speaker 1: since twenty thirteen, so so that was that was my
Speaker 1: first introduction I meet you. But by that point i'd
Speaker 1: been you know, i'd had my own experiences and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. That was probably like twenty seventeen time frame.
Speaker 1: My first real experience was one. You know, I'd been
Speaker 1: with the Grays and Highlands, I'd been all over Jinny,
Speaker 1: I'd been all over eastern Kennessee. I'd been you know,
Speaker 1: through the Smokey's, Georgia places like that, and I didn't
Speaker 1: have any luck. And I think that the reason I
Speaker 1: wasn't having any luck was I was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of making a lot of mistakes, not being patient enough
Speaker 1: picking my area is right, and not listening to the
Speaker 1: right things. So the key for me getting my first
Speaker 1: experience was actually from Arlo Williams. She told me that
Speaker 1: you got to listen to the sounds that they make,
Speaker 1: because most of the sounds that they make are imitations,
Speaker 1: and they do it really, really, really well. I've got
Speaker 1: audio somewhere of one night It's kind of like a
Speaker 1: dog barking out in the middle of the woods, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, this dog is lost out here in
Speaker 1: the middle of the woods, and it is definitely going
Speaker 1: to die. So I'm going to go try to find it.
Speaker 1: And I get up and I start moving in the
Speaker 1: direction of this perfect dog bark. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: even it's not even louder. I mean, there's nothing off
Speaker 1: about it. But as I start walking towards where this
Speaker 1: sound is coming from, you know, it's down on a
Speaker 1: creek where they're always had activity coming from that creek,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you hear you hear it
Speaker 1: choke on its own spit, and it sounds like it
Speaker 1: sounds like a very very large old man just down
Speaker 1: there choking. And I'm like, that was not a dog.
Speaker 1: That's probably the funniest thing I've ever heard of in
Speaker 1: the Middlewoods. Yeah, he was doing real good until he
Speaker 1: started choking on his own spit.
Speaker 2: It really catches you off guard. You know, people will
Speaker 2: sit there in debate. I'm past the point of debate
Speaker 2: at this point in my journey. You know, like they
Speaker 2: imitate animals, like you're saying, they imitate sounds, and uh,
Speaker 2: whenever they mess up, that's that's really the only giveaway.
Speaker 2: Sometimes as they mess up, but sometimes for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: choking on their own spit or they get a little
Speaker 2: too excited. They do mess up. And you don't hear
Speaker 2: regular animals. You don't hear a dog mess up its bark.
Speaker 2: That just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dogs don't chalk chok on their spit while they're barking.
Speaker 1: They just keep barking. I've heard a whole lot of
Speaker 1: dogs bark you I ain't never heard nothing like that.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, but it's you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 1: that's what you got to listen out for because usually
Speaker 1: and this goes for about everywhere. Now, now this was
Speaker 1: how it wasn't the Kaimuchi Mountains and the Kaimuchy Mountains.
Speaker 2: They just get up in your face.
Speaker 1: And they didn't, you know, other than that woodlock, they
Speaker 1: didn't make a peep.
Speaker 2: They don't vocalize a lot in Oklahoma, really no.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy that the way the differences between areas
Speaker 1: of their personalities and of the way that they operate
Speaker 1: in the woods is absolutely fascinating. I mean, the the
Speaker 1: level of intelligence and I guess the difference and because
Speaker 1: they're usually experiencing about the same thing out in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods, but then they behave so differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just that that still.
Speaker 1: Blows my mind and I don't understand that at all,
Speaker 1: because I mean, it's distinctly different personalities for every single
Speaker 1: woods that I've frequented. But yeah, I mean, we're but
Speaker 1: getting back to like the sounds that they make. Though
Speaker 1: Arla had said, listen for the for the animals in
Speaker 1: the woods, you have to be familiar with the animals
Speaker 1: in the woods, and you have to understand that a
Speaker 1: coyote can only make sounds as loud as a codey's
Speaker 1: lungs will will able allow it to do. A bart
Speaker 1: out can only make sounds as loud as its lungs
Speaker 1: will allow it to do. They can only be so loud.
Speaker 1: What's the saying about a bigfoot? Was it a bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Is an eight hundred pound creature? Or you a person
Speaker 1: or whatever? You know, whatever you believe. I believe that
Speaker 1: it's probably some kind of haunted some kind of person
Speaker 1: for certain, especially based off of the language and the
Speaker 1: intelligence that they have. But they will have a eight
Speaker 1: hundred pound barred alcohol if they they let it, If
Speaker 1: they just let it go, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: And you feel that sound. But it's other than that.
Speaker 1: It sounds just like a barred out. It's just that
Speaker 1: it's a bar barred out. It's so loud that it
Speaker 1: vibrates your bones. Yeah, and so I'm you know, I've
Speaker 1: been all over trying to I'm trying to get my
Speaker 1: own experiences, and I'm not having a whole lot of luck.
Speaker 1: But there's mountains, uh in Virginia. That's as much information
Speaker 1: as on it. It's in Virginia and up there on
Speaker 1: these mountains. I have a relatives that own cabins up there,
Speaker 1: and they'd said, well, we hear things in the woods
Speaker 1: that people know that there's big foot up here, because
Speaker 1: they'll come up. We'll not though, ding dong get you.
Speaker 1: And you know that's a pretty common thing with big foot.
Speaker 1: They'll come up, we'll knock any door and they take
Speaker 1: off running at night, or there will least stuff out
Speaker 1: in your porch. Sure, I'll kind of see them, and
Speaker 1: you start you start hearing you know, pretty pretty strange sounds. All.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, that's obviously this is where I
Speaker 1: need to go. So yeah, I pick out. See you're
Speaker 1: kind of close to their middle of the woods, total
Speaker 1: backcountry kind of deal. That's what I like to do.
Speaker 1: And when I get up close to water, of course,
Speaker 1: because you got to have that water source. And I
Speaker 1: remember the very first experience I ever had with them
Speaker 1: was actually the samurai chatter. I didn't realize that at
Speaker 1: the time, if that's what it was. But I'm on
Speaker 1: fear and I'm in the middle of absolute nowhere, and
Speaker 1: I'm but I don't really know that the first time
Speaker 1: in here. I'm still getting the lay of the land,
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out, just dropping my gear off
Speaker 1: that way, I don't have to carry it in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere every time I do it, and saw
Speaker 1: dropping stuff off, and I'm hearing somebody talking right over,
Speaker 1: right over basically this cliff right that you saw in
Speaker 1: that video you watched it, And they're right there just talking,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a big, booming man's voice and
Speaker 1: like a younger, like maybe like an eight or ten
Speaker 1: year old boy, and they're just chattering back and forth,
Speaker 1: and it is plain as day. It sounds like language.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I'm gonna get down low and
Speaker 1: try to get up closer to where they're talking, you know,
Speaker 1: so I can't be seen, but I want to hear
Speaker 1: what they're saying, you know, and it was plainly not English,
Speaker 1: but I to me, it sounded just like words. It's
Speaker 1: like very well enunciated words, but it's not even if
Speaker 1: you couldn't make any of them out, even though I
Speaker 1: was pretty close to it, and I just kind of
Speaker 1: shrug it off. It's like, you know that I don't.
Speaker 1: That's weird, And and I'm gonna I gotta leave, you know,
Speaker 1: because I got to work the next day, and that's
Speaker 1: a long hike back in there, and so I just
Speaker 1: kind of make a note of that and leave, and
Speaker 1: I come back a few days later, and it's it's
Speaker 1: just on do. So I'm down there during the night
Speaker 1: and did and where I had learned. I just learned
Speaker 1: from Marla to listen for the owls especially, and she
Speaker 1: had recordings of it that she had posted. And and
Speaker 1: I hear it off to my right as I'm laying
Speaker 1: in the hammock, and it wakes me up. And you
Speaker 1: could hear it moving around in the woods over there,
Speaker 1: right across this creek that I was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of set up near there's a cliffs for the viewers.
Speaker 1: There's some set up down in the woods and there's
Speaker 1: a clif about ten feet from me, and it goes
Speaker 1: down about eight feet and it actually forms a cave
Speaker 1: underneath it. I didn't learn that until way later. And
Speaker 1: then you have basically a large pond that's been formed
Speaker 1: out of a river by a beaver dam. And then
Speaker 1: across from that as where this sound is coming from.
Speaker 1: I say large, very densely forested area, but it's especially
Speaker 1: densely forested across from that pond over where this hill
Speaker 1: is at. But this sound is coming from and it is.
Speaker 1: When I say it's loud, I mean you can feel
Speaker 1: the air moving from this barred owl. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've listened to barred owls all my life and that's
Speaker 1: not a barred owl. There's no way. And so I know,
Speaker 1: but I know because of what she had taught me
Speaker 1: to stay awake. You know, this is go time, like
Speaker 1: something's about to happen, or you know it's nothing is
Speaker 1: going to happen. Now it's gonna happen, and you need
Speaker 1: to be listening and fumbly in there. Not but just
Speaker 1: a few minutes and something comes down through the woods
Speaker 1: the same direction that I came from myself, and it
Speaker 1: is on two feet, plaineless days picking its speed up.
Speaker 1: It's walked straight for me, I mean. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I've noticed about when you're approached
Speaker 1: by a bigfoot typically versus when you're approached by a
Speaker 1: wild animal, because I've had bear come up and, you know,
Speaker 1: right off my backpack because it smelled like a granola
Speaker 1: bar and all sorts of stuff like that. Animals hesitate.
Speaker 1: The bigfoot don't hesitate at all. Usually they just walk
Speaker 1: straight up to you. There's no sneak in the ground,
Speaker 1: there's no stopping and looking around. Every time I've had
Speaker 1: this happen, they come straight up on you, except for
Speaker 1: one time, and I think that one was just messing
Speaker 1: with me. So this thing walks right up and I'm
Speaker 1: talking like it covers a It's probably got a twice
Speaker 1: the stride of what I've got. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: absolutely covering so much ground. And it's not in a
Speaker 1: rush at all. It's just calmly walking up to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm listening to this and I'm kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: that's very like adrenaline punting kind of situation. And I've
Speaker 1: got a gun, so I started reaching up for that gun.
Speaker 1: Because I'm just gonna pull it down to get it
Speaker 1: next to me, because I have the gun hung up
Speaker 1: right on top of my head and the hammock, so
Speaker 1: I can pull it down if you need to. And
Speaker 1: the time that it took that thing to cover about
Speaker 1: eighty feet to the time that it took me to
Speaker 1: unlash that gun and start pulling it out of that holster,
Speaker 1: it was already standing directly next to him. So if
Speaker 1: I stuck my hand left right now, I would be
Speaker 1: touching this thing wherever what everybody part would be right there,
Speaker 1: probably be like a leg I would estimate I would.
Speaker 2: Be touching it.
Speaker 1: And it's right on top of me. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could accidentally elbow it if I wanted to, Like it's
Speaker 1: I don't know why they like getting close like that,
Speaker 1: because I mean the kind meats you mountains. They did
Speaker 1: the same thing to me. They did the same thing
Speaker 1: in the crow Tan and different other areas also encountered.
Speaker 1: That seems like a theme. They won't let you look
Speaker 1: at on Oh no, they won't let you do that.
Speaker 1: As soon as you loose that tarp up you start
Speaker 1: moving or anything like that, they take off running with
Speaker 1: the E'll stand right there next to you and just
Speaker 1: kind of check you out. But you just got to
Speaker 1: be still. I figured to get any kind of accidental that.
Speaker 1: But this thing is standing there and it's you can
Speaker 1: see it because the moon it's full moon, and that
Speaker 1: light is coming down through the tarp that I have
Speaker 1: set up over top of me. And I'm just laying
Speaker 1: on my back now, totally still, like because I don't
Speaker 1: want to run this thing off, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what it's gonna do. I know it's not gonna hurt me,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's gonna let me see it,
Speaker 1: or if it's gonna sit there and start yelling at
Speaker 1: me and try to run me out of the woods.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen. But you can see
Speaker 1: its head or the height of it, O est imate
Speaker 1: about seven foot twelve. It's and it's blocking out the moon,
Speaker 1: and it's bobbing. It's kind of doing you you've heard
Speaker 1: up the look when they rock back and forth, ye,
Speaker 1: kind of like they get nervous. They do that. That's
Speaker 1: what it's doing. It's standing right there next to me
Speaker 1: like this, and you can feel the body heat off
Speaker 1: of it. It's so close and it's just rocking back
Speaker 1: and forth, and it's not making the sound. You can
Speaker 1: kind of hear really light breathing just a little bit,
Speaker 1: but there's no like grunting. There's no raspiness to it
Speaker 1: or anything like that. And uh, and it leans again
Speaker 1: a little a little more, a little more than what
Speaker 1: it had been leaning, and it just keeps leaning and
Speaker 1: it gets right up next to my head, so now
Speaker 1: it is definitely looking in, right at the back of
Speaker 1: my head, leaning in, and I can feel the heat
Speaker 1: of it like hitting me in the face basically, because
Speaker 1: it's breathing on me, basically, and it's looking right at
Speaker 1: me and looks at me for a few seconds, and
Speaker 1: it stands back up, and I'm like, well, that was
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. And it has something in its hand and
Speaker 1: it did this twice. This one's done this a few times,
Speaker 1: and it just sprinkles it on the top of my
Speaker 1: tart and just walks off and the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's dirt. It's sprinkling dirt on me on top
Speaker 1: of my tart. And uh, yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It's just just a weird thing to do, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: why would you do that? I guess you think it's
Speaker 1: funny or whatever. It's like, yo, bother me. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: I still don't understand in all why this I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do stuff like this, but yeah, it walks off the
Speaker 1: whole time that bart ow sound is going on down there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, okay, so my plan of action
Speaker 1: is he just lay here and be as still as possible.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna turn on any lights or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep seeing what goes on. We'll end
Speaker 1: up nodding off because you know, it's just so late
Speaker 1: and I'm tired, and uh, here it comes again, same
Speaker 1: exact direction, same exact actions that walks right back up
Speaker 1: on me. It wakes me up walking and I'm just
Speaker 1: laying there. It's like, okay, well, I guess we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens this time. And all it does is just
Speaker 1: repeats the same exact thing that just did, and including
Speaker 1: a sprinkling dirt on my tar because I found out
Speaker 1: that it was dirt the next day. And then it
Speaker 1: walks off, and uh, I'm like, well, okay, that's fascinating,
Speaker 1: but there's nothing really I can do about it because
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go out, you know, shining lights at
Speaker 1: him or anything like that. So my best my best
Speaker 1: bet for continuing to get things from him like this,
Speaker 1: because I want to keep coming up of these woods
Speaker 1: for certain as often as I can. And boy I did, man,
Speaker 1: I mean it was every weekend. It seemed like any
Speaker 1: chance I got even during the week I drive up
Speaker 1: there and just spend my time up there in those woods.
Speaker 1: After that it walks off, and yeah, I end up
Speaker 1: waking up. It probably would have been about ten am,
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, kind of a gloomy day and
Speaker 1: I'm just laying there and I'm hearing the sound, you know,
Speaker 1: coming off again about maybe fifteen feet from me. It's
Speaker 1: down down below that cliff, and it sounds like something
Speaker 1: standing there and the lone way I can describe it
Speaker 1: as something taking a wooden stick and popping it against
Speaker 1: a tupperware bowe. So, but it's doing it in a
Speaker 1: pattern like like there's an intelligible pattern to it, like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say like musical, but it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: hear different patterns like the like it's not like that,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's it is a intelligent pattern
Speaker 1: that's repeating the same way as that is. And I'm
Speaker 1: laying there listening to this, and I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 1: pretty strange. And that's pretty pretty obvious too, Like it's
Speaker 1: not real loud, but it's definitely standing right there doing this.
Speaker 1: And I'm laying there, got that tart in between, you know,
Speaker 1: over top of me, so I can't really thing, like, well,
Speaker 1: what I it'd be pretty interesting for me to do
Speaker 1: is to try to clap that pattern back to it.
Speaker 1: So I'm laying there in about four or five times
Speaker 1: we'd go back and forth. I could not clap fast
Speaker 1: enough to keep up with a pattern that this thing
Speaker 1: was doing. So I try to clap the pattern back
Speaker 1: and then it would do another pattern back at me.
Speaker 1: It would shift the pattern up, and four or five
Speaker 1: times it does this, and I'm like, well, this is
Speaker 1: absolutely interesting. I wonder I'd really like to see what's
Speaker 1: doing this, because why not? But I'm not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: jump out of the hammock and run over there and
Speaker 1: try to look at it, because I know it's just
Speaker 1: gonna run away and then and then they might you know,
Speaker 1: cut off the interaction. They might not trust me or
Speaker 1: something like that, you know, something along those lines will
Speaker 1: probably happen. You don't want to come across as neurotic
Speaker 1: because they're just so shy and skiddish. It seems like
Speaker 1: that you if you if you goof up with them,
Speaker 1: I've noticed like if you make a mistake, it might
Speaker 1: be three six months before you get interaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once you screw up, it's you might as well
Speaker 2: go pack it up and go home. It's it's over.
Speaker 1: You might as well go ahead and find some new
Speaker 1: mountains to go look for them in, because they don't
Speaker 1: they don't get over it quick, it seems like. But
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't want to do that, Like I
Speaker 1: know that that's what would happen, because that's what I
Speaker 1: was taught, and I learned it the hard way a
Speaker 1: few times after that. But uh, you know, because I
Speaker 1: started hauling them around the woods, you'd hear a knock
Speaker 1: and I'd go running after it, and you don't do that.
Speaker 1: So there's a storm coming, you know, there's the thunders
Speaker 1: h starting to come up, and you know, I don't
Speaker 1: really have any waterproof and gear. I've got electronics out,
Speaker 1: got my cell phone, things like that. I can't afford
Speaker 1: to lose those things. You know, I don't have the
Speaker 1: money to replace them. I was just a meat cutter
Speaker 1: back then, and it was I was driving a Ford expedition,
Speaker 1: so it took all the money I had just to
Speaker 1: be able to drive that thing up with these mountains.
Speaker 1: It's getting like negative elevel miles to the gallons. So
Speaker 1: so I'm like, well, yeah, one way or another, I've
Speaker 1: got to get out of this hand that can start moving.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing what sounds like a woman talking, you know,
Speaker 1: back deeper in those woods, and it's just she has
Speaker 1: a scratchy voice and you hear her back there, uh,
Speaker 1: kind of kind of chit chattering, and yet you kind
Speaker 1: of holler a little bit, you know, and then she
Speaker 1: would it sounded like she would start chattering, and then
Speaker 1: you go back to holler. And I'm like, well that's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. But I've got to go. And that was
Speaker 1: a pretty good distance from me. And so as soon
Speaker 1: as I raise up, I lean down to get my
Speaker 1: boots on. I have these big long snake boots on, uh,
Speaker 1: and then they're laying right underneath me. That way I
Speaker 1: can get amasing. It's not having to walk through the woods,
Speaker 1: and uh, I lean down, I grab them. So my
Speaker 1: hand just you know, the way I'm leaning, you have
Speaker 1: my head and then my hand is about two feet
Speaker 1: down and it's holding these boots. And as soon as
Speaker 1: I do that, exactly from the direction that thing was
Speaker 1: down there tapping there's patterns to me, a rock flies
Speaker 1: up and I don't know if it was trying to
Speaker 1: hit me in the face. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: aim was just this good somehow, even though I had
Speaker 1: a tart covering me, it was able to figure this out.
Speaker 1: It hits in that two foot window a right below
Speaker 1: my head and above my hand. This rock, by the
Speaker 1: size of my fist, just slams in. It slams into me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have noticed the crap out of
Speaker 1: me if he hit me and falls down the ground.
Speaker 1: And uh. I was like, well, that definitely just happened,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to try to see this thing now.
Speaker 1: So I ripped that tart up and I walk over
Speaker 1: there to that little cliff, you know, that overhang, and
Speaker 1: I don't see anything, and uh, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it might have just you know, assumed it might have
Speaker 1: just either crawled away, because it definitely could have done
Speaker 1: that because I did hear something moving or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else it could have done. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that there was a cave. I was standing
Speaker 1: on top of the cave that could see it about
Speaker 1: five you know, pretty good sized people in it. So
Speaker 1: I guess all it did was just stuck into the cave.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that for it in order
Speaker 1: for it to be able to see me lean up
Speaker 1: and grab that boot right to start moving, and to
Speaker 1: be able for it to be able to throw that rock,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm thinking. It had to have been
Speaker 1: over ten foot tall, because that clip was about eight
Speaker 1: It is about eight to nine foot up off the
Speaker 1: ground that little overhang that I'm standing on, So it's
Speaker 1: standing there watching me the whole time, and it had
Speaker 1: enough clearance to be able to log that rock at
Speaker 1: me as soon as I started moving. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: still have that rock everything if they throw at me,
Speaker 1: or if they give me or anything like that, because
Speaker 1: I've been given you know, turtle shells or a big
Speaker 1: one you get like these perfect turtle shells that turn
Speaker 1: out in the most random places. But it's somewhere that
Speaker 1: it's definitely not a coincidence that it's setting where it's
Speaker 1: setting because up in those woods, and you know, also
Speaker 1: in Tennessee and things like that. I've got friends that
Speaker 1: live on property and they have i mean they've showed
Speaker 1: me pictures and everything, some really good pictures of them
Speaker 1: that they kind of keep to themselves, and they will
Speaker 1: have turtle shells just popping up on like picnic tables
Speaker 1: all over the place and things like that. Were the
Speaker 1: most perfect turtle shells you've ever seen in life. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just like a picture worthy turtleshells. And I've had
Speaker 1: bird nests, you know, I've had one walk up to
Speaker 1: me and then it walked off, and the next morning
Speaker 1: I looked exactly where it was standing and there was
Speaker 1: the bird nest just sitting right there, no trees overheading,
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff like that. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: been fascinating since then. I mean, of course, you can
Speaker 1: have a night like that, I mean, it just really
Speaker 1: kicks it in. And it took me a while before
Speaker 1: I finally had my first sighting, and it was in
Speaker 1: the same woods, it was deeper in them. I remember
Speaker 1: it was one of the coldest nights ever that i'd
Speaker 1: been out. I mean, it was I think the windshill
Speaker 1: is thirty below up there. It's coming pretty pretty bad
Speaker 1: winter storm. And of course I double triple and quadrupled
Speaker 1: up on clothes and just kept on pushing down into
Speaker 1: the woods. And you hear what sounds like a woman yelling,
Speaker 1: like it's not like a panic yell, but it's just
Speaker 1: like a hauller basically, is how I would describe it.
Speaker 1: And by this time I've learned anytime you hear that
Speaker 1: like that, that's definitely then and something's about to go down.
Speaker 1: And uh, as I'm crest on the top of this
Speaker 1: hill that's on the other side of the hill from me,
Speaker 1: I know as soon as I get up to that
Speaker 1: ridge line, I need to crash down and start scanning
Speaker 1: from the direction that it was moving to the direction
Speaker 1: that it was going. And that's exactly what I did.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking and I, you know, right the left,
Speaker 1: and as soon as I get to the left, there's
Speaker 1: this rot like I rode a dender and I guess
Speaker 1: is what it is bush right here, and this thing
Speaker 1: just unfolds out of it. I mean, you've ever seen
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can see you the picture
Speaker 1: after this, but it's called the Kentucky Bigfoot on a hill. Now,
Speaker 1: the side that this was originally posted to was a
Speaker 1: blog and it was like the Bigfoot Chicks or something
Speaker 1: like that. I think that blog has been taken down,
Speaker 1: but it is an error image of that picture. And
Speaker 1: I think that that is a picture of one because
Speaker 1: you can see the soul that's splitting everything. And I
Speaker 1: mean for people, say three and a half to four
Speaker 1: foot wide at the shoulder, like that's numbers, but when
Speaker 1: you actually see it, it is unbelievably huge. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just ridiculous, Like it is almost comical how big some
Speaker 1: of them are.
Speaker 2: The first sighting I had that same night, I saw
Speaker 2: a second one. I'm I'm convinced I saw a second one,
Speaker 2: but there's no way for me to prove it. And
Speaker 2: it was crazy because I was looking right at it
Speaker 2: and it wasn't hiding behind anything. The problem was I
Speaker 2: was looking down a hiking trail and this thing was
Speaker 2: probably I don't know, thirty y yards back or so
Speaker 2: on the trail, standing on the trail, and it was
Speaker 2: blocking out the entire trail. But it's nighttime and I
Speaker 2: don't have any light source or anything other than the
Speaker 2: moon coming through the tree loombs, and I can see
Speaker 2: what kind of it looks like something hunched down, ducking
Speaker 2: under this tree limb, and very slowly I see the
Speaker 2: pad of a humongous foot lift up off the ground
Speaker 2: and step very I mean so slow back into the shadows.
Speaker 2: And this car started coming down this road. We were
Speaker 2: in a park, so it's like a park service road,
Speaker 2: and this car's coming and I know the layout of
Speaker 2: this park like the back of my hand, so I
Speaker 2: know that car is going to come around this corner
Speaker 2: up here, and its headlights are going to go across
Speaker 2: that trail, and I'm going to see this thing lit
Speaker 2: up by those headlights. So I'm just staring down this trail,
Speaker 2: and right as those headlights started sweeping through the woods
Speaker 2: coming closer, this thing jumps off to the side of
Speaker 2: the trail just goes crashing through the woods, just tearing
Speaker 2: through there like a bulldozer. And now I can see
Speaker 2: that this thing was taking up the entire open of
Speaker 2: the trail, and I could see all the way down
Speaker 2: it now clear as day, this thing. We went back
Speaker 2: later on, because after that I was kind of shaken,
Speaker 2: you know, and uh, we took off, but uh, whenever
Speaker 2: we came back, I had a night vision scope with me.
Speaker 2: Now I came back armed and prepared, and I had
Speaker 2: my buddy. I wouldn't do it, but I had him
Speaker 2: go down the trail and stand underneath that tree limb.
Speaker 2: And this thing had to have been every bit of
Speaker 2: ten foot tall, because that tree limb was at least
Speaker 2: ten feet tall off the ground, and its head was
Speaker 2: right underneath it, and it was kind of duck down
Speaker 2: underneath it. And I mean to cover that trail, yeah,
Speaker 2: four four and a half feet wide easily at the shoulder,
Speaker 2: I mean just massive. It blocked out an entire opening
Speaker 2: to a hiking trail.
Speaker 1: It's like looking at a moving barn. Yeah yeah, oh man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a I mean that's that's how it is too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just ridiculous. And I understand why, you know,
Speaker 1: people are skeptical about them exists and just based off
Speaker 1: of the size of them. It's like, how is that
Speaker 1: even possible?
Speaker 2: How does that maneuver through the woods?
Speaker 1: You know, how's it moving through the woods and how's
Speaker 1: it doing it? Quiet?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why is why? Because I mean the sneak right up
Speaker 1: on you. I've had them sneak right up on me.
Speaker 1: I mean just in huge ones have done it and
Speaker 1: it'll be right there next to you. You didn't hear nothing.
Speaker 1: It's just right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, this one's like.
Speaker 1: About like what you're talking about day. It was shorter
Speaker 1: as I was able to measure it based off of
Speaker 1: that bush that it just unfolded up out of. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it directly from the back and it's I
Speaker 1: think I woke it up because it wakes up and
Speaker 1: it's just it's like it's just irritated and sighing, and
Speaker 1: you know if you first wake up, you're just kind
Speaker 1: of like standing there a little bit kind of rocking
Speaker 1: and dr drowsy. And I'm watching it just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, do that. And uh, I could see I
Speaker 1: could see it from the waist up. Uh. Never could
Speaker 1: see its legs, but I'm looking at the arms in
Speaker 1: the back, especially the back and the top of the
Speaker 1: head and uh, and I'm just like taking it all in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this was my first one. It's and it's
Speaker 1: like it's not seventy feet from me. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: right there, and it's just it's just calm, like I said, comically,
Speaker 1: white at the shoulders and it's completely covered and like
Speaker 1: it's not really like totally long hair. You know, I
Speaker 1: would estimate maybe you know, five inches something like that
Speaker 1: all over at the longest. Uh. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to estimate it because it was all the same
Speaker 1: collar and it was the collar of a cardinal. And
Speaker 1: I remember the first thing I thought, is, how in
Speaker 1: the world are you getting around these woods with all
Speaker 1: the hunters that come up through them and not get
Speaker 1: shot at. It's like, I know, you've probably had a
Speaker 1: hard white being collared like that. Uh. He just kind
Speaker 1: of wonders on around the side of the hill real
Speaker 1: slow like, and I watch him go, and I followed
Speaker 1: him for a bit. You know, I never did uh.
Speaker 1: Of course I didn't catch up to you or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but I didn't push it very hard. I
Speaker 1: knew bear to do that, but that that was the
Speaker 1: first one. And I assumed that it was a mill
Speaker 1: just based on how the shoulders were. You know, it
Speaker 1: kind of kind of a tapered waste. The way he's built,
Speaker 1: I mean just not like I wouldn't see it like
Speaker 1: a muscled up like a bodybuilt, but just a big
Speaker 1: old corn fed corn fed country boy. He kind of
Speaker 1: looked to and the best the way I could describe it,
Speaker 1: but he was big. And so that was the first
Speaker 1: time I ever saw one. And ye, that was that
Speaker 1: was mini months after several months at least after I'd
Speaker 1: had my first interaction, because I think the first interaction
Speaker 1: is what I was describing that first night when they
Speaker 1: were just coming down there and they'd just stand right
Speaker 1: next to me. That was probably springtime, and this was
Speaker 1: like dead of winter like so like January time frame
Speaker 1: something like that, when it sat the cold stuff there
Speaker 1: and then you carry on. There was another experience that
Speaker 1: I had, and this one was really intense. So remember
Speaker 1: how I was talking about it seems like every time
Speaker 1: they really really really just like getting close to people.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's just their way of kind
Speaker 1: of showing off.
Speaker 2: To each other. Yeah, Counting Coop, Yeah, Counting Coop.
Speaker 1: That that's the exactly what I call it to count
Speaker 1: coup on you, And that's just it's just messing with
Speaker 1: you or it's making a game out of it, it
Speaker 1: seems like to me. And but when they you know,
Speaker 1: when they come walk it up to you, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's real confident. They don't hesitate at all. It's just
Speaker 1: you just hear walking through the woods and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's standing right next to you, or
Speaker 1: it's snuck up on you like we were, like I
Speaker 1: was talking about, it's right there next to you, and
Speaker 1: you hear stick break and the things snuck right up
Speaker 1: next to you. And then if you try to lift
Speaker 1: that tarp or you move it all it just goes
Speaker 1: crashing through the woods. But it makes a lot of
Speaker 1: noise if you try to look at it, uh, and
Speaker 1: you might see a glimpse of it. But but other
Speaker 1: than that, it's just going to be right there next
Speaker 1: to you, kind of goofing around or whatever in the
Speaker 1: world that's doing. Uh. But uh, this run, this is
Speaker 1: the only time that I've ever had on that get
Speaker 1: up close to me and it wasn't uh and I
Speaker 1: knew it. I knew it was close to me, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't being confident. So this one was absolutely massive.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's coming down through the woods that
Speaker 1: same exact direction is that first night. Now this is
Speaker 1: months on down. I mean it might have even been
Speaker 1: a year after all this kicked off. I'd have to
Speaker 1: go and look at my time frame. But this was
Speaker 1: after I'd seen my first one. This is after I'd
Speaker 1: been having experiences with gifting and things like that that
Speaker 1: I really would like to get into on the show, Berease,
Speaker 1: I think that some of my ideas could really help
Speaker 1: people interact with them and things like that. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that later. So I'm having a lot of experiences
Speaker 1: and it's really starting to amp up, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm getting better at what I'm doing and things like that,
Speaker 1: and I'm getting a lot more confident with them too,
Speaker 1: So I don't have any fear of them at all.
Speaker 1: And even like in the Kaimichis, which was well after
Speaker 1: all this, you know, that was years after all of it,
Speaker 1: I never was really afraid of them at all. Like
Speaker 1: even when they get up and if face and things
Speaker 1: like that, I'm not gonna, you know, do anything to
Speaker 1: disrespect them. I'm not going to push any actions, you know,
Speaker 1: they if it's clear as they want me to leave
Speaker 1: or to not go in a certain area, I'm not
Speaker 1: going there. But the same time, there's just you know,
Speaker 1: I feel, I feel confident that nothing bad is ever
Speaker 1: gonna happen as long as I you know, a suit
Speaker 1: with whatever verse suggesting that I do basically, but uh,
Speaker 1: but this uh, but this one's coming down that same direction.
Speaker 1: And when it would stay it it would take two steps,
Speaker 1: and I mean it would sound like a death charge,
Speaker 1: just doom, doom, and you would feel it in the ground.
Speaker 1: It would shake the ground when it would do this,
Speaker 1: and it would and then you would hear it sniff
Speaker 1: the ground, and then it would take two more steps doom,
Speaker 1: you know, come down through you feel it, sniffs the ground, hesitates,
Speaker 1: stays there for a bit, does it again, and repeat
Speaker 1: this over and over and over again until it is
Speaker 1: directly next to me. And at this time I thought
Speaker 1: I was having the trouble with a bear, because a
Speaker 1: bear way back in the woods had tore up my
Speaker 1: favorite herod to China sleeping Back, which I was super
Speaker 1: pissed off about that. And I was like, well, a
Speaker 1: big foot would never do something like that. They will
Speaker 1: absolutely do stuff like that all the time. They'll they'll
Speaker 1: they'll go through your gears shredded, and it's like it
Speaker 1: might be younger ones and they really just don't know
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I really don't know, but you know,
Speaker 1: they'll do for around with your equipment. If you just
Speaker 1: leave it out there, it's just no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: But I didn't think that, so I thought it was
Speaker 1: a bear. So I have convinced myself already before this
Speaker 1: thing even started walking down to him here, that this
Speaker 1: is a bear, and this bear has come to get me,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to have a huge problem with it.
Speaker 1: And I have a forty four magnum it's perfect medicine
Speaker 1: for trouble bears. So I'm already I'm already in the
Speaker 1: wrong mindset for this situation, and I'm getting napped up,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm starting you started getting that adrilline pupp
Speaker 1: and it's like this thing is right next to me
Speaker 1: and this is this is like I'm getting ready to
Speaker 1: get attacks, Like it's gonna rip me out of this
Speaker 1: hammock and I'm gonna be fighting for my life, and
Speaker 1: by then it's gonna be too late for me to
Speaker 1: shoot the thing. So I need to go ahead and
Speaker 1: jump it, you know, like I need to go ahead
Speaker 1: and you know, run this thing off, start running and
Speaker 1: gunning at it or whatever I need to do from there,
Speaker 1: because this is not a safe situation. Assuming that it
Speaker 1: was a bear, which it was, not, which I learned
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. So I saw I rip
Speaker 1: that tarp up, you know again, turn on my head
Speaker 1: lamp which I'm wearing, and I'm looking right for it
Speaker 1: just was and you know, just like a litt this cartoon,
Speaker 1: it is gone. It has taken back off the direction
Speaker 1: that is that it has come from, and it has
Speaker 1: done it so fast, like you know, seventy feet I
Speaker 1: think is no, it could be. Maybe I'd have to
Speaker 1: go measure it. You know, it's maybe fifty sixty feet
Speaker 1: something like that to where these down trees are at.
Speaker 1: That's where it came from, and it has already busted
Speaker 1: through those And I didn't get to see it, but
Speaker 1: you could see the branches and everything off of that
Speaker 1: downs tree up moving, and of course you heard it
Speaker 1: because it sounded, you know, like a war zone. It's
Speaker 1: just things moving through the woods. It is absolutely ridiculously huge,
Speaker 1: and I mean the weight of it was so heavy
Speaker 1: that it would make those cheap trees move that I
Speaker 1: was hung up on, and the trees aren't real thick,
Speaker 1: but still it was that big that it was, you know,
Speaker 1: moving on the ground like that when it was you know,
Speaker 1: runing or when it was moving up towards me, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, yeah, maybe that'd be the last I
Speaker 1: heard from this thing. And it's gone. I said, I
Speaker 1: keep it in mind, and I'm completely you know, I
Speaker 1: kicked myself for that situation now, because that whole time,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing rock clack and wood knocks and the hooting
Speaker 1: and hollering that you hear typically from a very active
Speaker 1: bigfoot area. And when the bigfoots around, you pretty could
Speaker 1: pretty well bet that they ain't gonna be mountain lions.
Speaker 2: Or bear right, nothing else is around.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna mess around with the big food, all right,
Speaker 1: like because because a mountain lion getting after an adult
Speaker 1: big foot would be a lot like somebody getting taken
Speaker 1: down by a house cat, all right, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. So there's animals get out of the
Speaker 1: woods when they kind of around, they're not gonna be
Speaker 1: close to them. And so this thing runs off. But
Speaker 1: I'm not by again. I don't know what was wrong
Speaker 1: with me. I'm just crazy and I'm thinking why I
Speaker 1: ran that bear off. I guess I'm never gonna have
Speaker 1: to see it again. The biggest, the biggest black bear
Speaker 1: that's ever existed, like dinosaur sized black bear. Apparently. I
Speaker 1: just thought I had a record breaker next to me, apparently.
Speaker 1: So it's gone, and I'm like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: gotta go, yeah, relieve myself because I've been drinking too
Speaker 1: much water. So I go back up, you know, in
Speaker 1: the direction that thing ran off to, because you've got
Speaker 1: to get a certain distance away, you know, if all
Speaker 1: the proper rules of the woods and you know, not
Speaker 1: be leaving any smells or anything like that close to camp.
Speaker 1: So go up there and get done to come back,
Speaker 1: lay back down. And well, as soon as I lay down,
Speaker 1: here comes that thing again, coming right back in that
Speaker 1: same direction. I hear it coming up. It's on all
Speaker 1: fours the whole time. This thing's interacting the whole time
Speaker 1: this thing's moving through the woods. It goes up there
Speaker 1: to where I just relieve myself taking a leak, and
Speaker 1: it's it's sitting there smelling that like paying attention close
Speaker 1: attention to you know what not to you know, my
Speaker 1: smell I left. I said, a bigfoot wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: Surely a big foot would never you know, smell where
Speaker 1: you'd peete or something like that. They will absolutely do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: will definitely do that. And so this thing again, it
Speaker 1: repeats the same exact thing that it had just done,
Speaker 1: same exact path, same exact pattern. Two real heavy footsteps,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of shoveling through the woods. And then
Speaker 1: and then it sniffs the ground. Two heavy footsteps, snits
Speaker 1: the ground. Something I have noticed, kind of side note,
Speaker 1: is that when when they sniff the ground, when a
Speaker 1: bear sniffs the ground, you can kind of hear that
Speaker 1: long drawl as that aired. It seems like it's moving
Speaker 1: through its snout. At least this is to me, Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. I don't know if you've heard the same thing.
Speaker 1: When they do it, it's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: person doing it. So it's like a tiny sniff. It's
Speaker 1: not like a big braw. So it's that's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing this thing like snitt on the ground as
Speaker 1: if it's coming up close to me. And again it
Speaker 1: gets right next to me. A bear wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: Bears don't do craft like that, and they especially don't
Speaker 1: do it. And then just sit there right next to you,
Speaker 1: and this thing is just right there. It's not moving,
Speaker 1: but if it is, so close. Now I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to get it this time. Now I'm going to
Speaker 1: be sneaky because I'm gonna slowly get the tarf up
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get to at least see what
Speaker 1: it is. Because now I'm starting to kind of come
Speaker 1: down out of that crazy mode and I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: pretty weird. And I start lifting the tarp and I
Speaker 1: notice when I reach down. When i'm reaching down, I'm
Speaker 1: kind I have to push against that tarp to get
Speaker 1: down to the bottom of it. The tart stops moving.
Speaker 1: I'm touching this thing like it's it's so close. I
Speaker 1: have my hands on this thing's side and it is
Speaker 1: not moving. So I'm like, okay, well that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Let's see if I can rip the tarf up and
Speaker 1: get a look at this thing. So I reached down.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel any hair because the tark was kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, bent in towards me, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: just because the way I wrap it up. But I
Speaker 1: ripped that tart up and you know, switch my light
Speaker 1: on and I look right at this thing and you're
Speaker 1: just right next to me. So this is my second sighting,
Speaker 1: and this one was a good one. So this thing
Speaker 1: is maybe like I mean, when I get eyes on it,
Speaker 1: maybe five feet from me, it's down on all fours
Speaker 1: and it's starting to just running from me. It's down
Speaker 1: all all furs covered in about you know, I mean
Speaker 1: probably in some spaces, a footlong, blonde, curly hair. It's
Speaker 1: pretty unique looking curly hair. Yeah, curly hair, kid, And
Speaker 1: it kind of is it almost like if you were
Speaker 1: seeing a Afghan hound. Yeah, that's how private and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what she look like. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: quite that shaggy. It was yeah, really something else to
Speaker 1: look at. And it's looking right at me. So as
Speaker 1: it's turned, it's kind of turned backwards as it's moving
Speaker 1: away from me, and uh, looking right at me. Now
Speaker 1: I've got my flashlight right on it. So I noticed
Speaker 1: as it's turning its head the odd shine. It seemed
Speaker 1: like it went green and then it went red. Un
Speaker 1: once it's looking straight at me with that light on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it she's how the light is
Speaker 1: or what it is, but I start seeing that red
Speaker 1: eye shine. It's looking right at me, and I get
Speaker 1: to look at the face and everything had to be
Speaker 1: a pretty human looking face kind of it's you know, uh,
Speaker 1: pictures like a I think William Ausmusome has some art
Speaker 1: on the Kaimuta giants forms and that is spot on
Speaker 1: to what I was looking at. And it has gray
Speaker 1: skin though dark gray skin. I remember that very well,
Speaker 1: and it's really interesting to see the contrast between that
Speaker 1: dark skin and that really really blind looking hair. But
Speaker 1: it's moving away and it is absolutely massive. Is it
Speaker 1: is definitely ten foot tall, It is definitely on all boards,
Speaker 1: and it is built. I mean you could see her
Speaker 1: that's female because you can see the breast and it's uh,
Speaker 1: you could see the lap muscles on its back. Even
Speaker 1: through that hair, you could see some muscle definition. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was just built. I mean, very impressive h zeke
Speaker 1: on this creature. And it's running the way I mean
Speaker 1: you can hear the ground like every time her hand
Speaker 1: or foot would hit the ground, you feel it and.
Speaker 2: Moving pretty quick.
Speaker 1: And one of the details that I instantly noticed was
Speaker 1: the way she moved was just the craziest thing to
Speaker 1: look at. And I know, I think you might have
Speaker 1: noted it. On some of the shows. You've probably seen
Speaker 1: the same thing when they move it as smooth as glass.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is aeevable coordination. It's like when you
Speaker 1: watch a bear or something like that bounding through the woods,
Speaker 1: it kind of has a bounce to it, right, And
Speaker 1: did you see it out or something like that? These things?
Speaker 1: Every time I've seen one running, it's not like that
Speaker 1: at all. It is just like it glides across the ground.
Speaker 1: And it is like watching how she moved her arms
Speaker 1: and legs to accomplish that feet was wild because her
Speaker 1: arms and legs were going all over the place. She's
Speaker 1: like maneuvering through, maneuvering away from me, but her back
Speaker 1: and head stayed perfectly level, like it's not bouncing at all.
Speaker 1: It's just like she's just moving straight back from me.
Speaker 1: And so I watched her go through the woods, and
Speaker 1: for some reason something it's like my fight or flight
Speaker 1: had kicked in, which really sucks because that totally ruined
Speaker 1: the whole situation. So I jump out of the hammock
Speaker 1: and I've got my gun and I'm putting my gun
Speaker 1: right at it, which is not something you should ever
Speaker 1: do to one ever, because I thought it was a bear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for some reason, my brain it's just screaming it's a bear.
Speaker 1: It's a bear. It's a bear. It's a bear. You
Speaker 1: got to go get it. You know, Like this thing
Speaker 1: is a problem. And it does not look anything like
Speaker 1: a bear. I mean, it has like, you know, a
Speaker 1: flat face like a human, looks like a person's got
Speaker 1: red eyes, shine. It's a beating feet away from it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look anything like one. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: I guess I pure panic, and I realized that I
Speaker 1: was freaking out and I was, you know, putting myself
Speaker 1: in danger and also putting them in danger by continuing
Speaker 1: to be down there. So I just kind of like
Speaker 1: gathered some of my stuff and you know, walk back
Speaker 1: to the car because I needed to diffuse the situation
Speaker 1: because I was going to end up ruining everything that night,
Speaker 1: saying I could have shot it. It's a wonder that
Speaker 1: I didn't, and you know, thankfully I didn't do anything
Speaker 1: like that. But get back up to the car and
Speaker 1: I'm laying there and you know, I'm texting some of
Speaker 1: my friends. I'm like, this just happened, Like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't really know what to do. And still, you know,
Speaker 1: now I'm starting to realize, like you're you're out of
Speaker 1: your mind, you know, you're fight or flight. That was
Speaker 1: definitely not a bear. But I'm not gonna go back
Speaker 1: down there just because there's I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've ruined the situation, you know, like
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, I've made a huge mistake. But there,
Speaker 1: but it's down there, and it's down there like clacking
Speaker 1: rocks to get like slamming rocks together exactly where i'd
Speaker 1: just seen it, like making a racket, like it's trying
Speaker 1: to get me to come back out, and do you
Speaker 1: hear the foops in the holler and something comes up
Speaker 1: to the car and was walking around my car, and
Speaker 1: but I just kind of laid there, you know, not
Speaker 1: wanting to exacerbate the situation, I guess be the best
Speaker 1: way to put it. But after that night, and I
Speaker 1: feel like what it was is that that one was
Speaker 1: the mom like that's the big alphlet femail or you know,
Speaker 1: however you want to put it. And she was trying
Speaker 1: to see how I would react in a like a
Speaker 1: pressure situation. Because after that moment, I guess she was
Speaker 1: thankful that I didn't shoot her. Things started really escalating
Speaker 1: down there, like it was I would get activity more frequents.
Speaker 1: They were interacting with the stuff that I would leave
Speaker 1: out for them way more frequently, and it seemed like
Speaker 1: that there's a level of comfort that is definitely not
Speaker 1: counting coop kind of situation. That's a you seeing how
Speaker 1: you react because they're I mean, they're they have babies,
Speaker 1: they have youngsters and family, just like just like us
Speaker 1: or any other creature does. And I guess they want
Speaker 1: to kind of gut check you every now and then
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're not, you know, gonna react
Speaker 1: in a very negative way in a pressure situation, Which
Speaker 1: makes sense to me that an intelligent creature would do
Speaker 1: something like that, And I think gorillas do the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very similar to people that are going
Speaker 1: out on expeditions that we have also from what I've read.
Speaker 1: Uh but uh, yeah, that so that that's you know,
Speaker 1: some of the most intense experiences that I had up therefore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm a person who's definitely not
Speaker 2: an advocate of going out by yourself.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Obviously that that's a choice left up to the individual,
Speaker 2: But I will say I don't think those experiences would
Speaker 2: have happened that way if you hadn't been by yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like you gotta kind of It's like
Speaker 1: for the viewers, it's like you got to kind of
Speaker 1: play it by year, because I like, there's some areas
Speaker 1: that I probably wouldn't go to by myself. Obviously, be
Speaker 1: very selective about who you bring out with you. They're
Speaker 1: definitely does. I don't know, because I have yet to
Speaker 1: go out with anybody really except for my dad that
Speaker 1: one time, and you know, we had activity, but you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like they were walking up in the camp
Speaker 1: with this or anything like say, it's uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But I mean if somebody if you or you had
Speaker 2: had somebody else with you, Like I said, I don't
Speaker 2: think you would have been in that situation. But if
Speaker 2: you had found yourself in that situation, you don't know
Speaker 2: how the other person's going to react. If you had
Speaker 2: reacted differently, it would have changed everything. I mean, you
Speaker 2: may not be here right now talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it might have went you know, they might
Speaker 1: have shot it, and things could have really been down
Speaker 1: south that that happened in numerous different ways. Because they
Speaker 1: definitely don't like getting shot. So yeah, that they do
Speaker 1: not like getting shot or shot at or having weapons
Speaker 1: pointed out, and they do not react very well to that.
Speaker 1: So don't recommend that one. Uh but yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think that that experience would have happened if somebody else
Speaker 1: was there with me. I think that I think that
Speaker 1: that one had to have a certain level of comfort
Speaker 1: with kind of how things were set up, and then
Speaker 1: I had to have a certain level of comfort also
Speaker 1: in order for the situation to happen, and it just
Speaker 1: kind of it just kind of happened.
Speaker 2: And this was all in the same general area as
Speaker 2: your first experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all that was in the same exact,
Speaker 1: same exact area. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would repeat patterns, you know, I've learned to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: It's like I try to wear the same clothes, try
Speaker 1: to you know, same areas, set up my camp in
Speaker 1: the same place. When I leave out gifts, I leave
Speaker 1: the gifts out in the same exact place, well hidden
Speaker 1: away from everything. Uh yeah, I think that the pattern
Speaker 1: Doing that kind of helps, it seems like, build up
Speaker 1: a letable of comfort. It also helps me keep track
Speaker 1: of everything because it's really easy to get to lose things.
Speaker 1: Probab leave them up there because it's pretty dense up there.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, to be getting the gifts of something
Speaker 1: I really wanted to cover because this is something that
Speaker 1: viewers can do because the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: is that most of the bigfoot researchers, most people are
Speaker 1: interested in the subject that I ran into, and I'm
Speaker 1: talking the vast majority that I know, they don't want
Speaker 1: to get close to their bigfoot. They don't a lot
Speaker 1: of them don't even really want to see one except
Speaker 1: for under very controlled circumstances. Like they're afraid of them.
Speaker 1: And that's fair like they are, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, ten foot tall, you know, a
Speaker 1: thousand pounds, you know, animal or person or hair in
Speaker 1: the world you want to put it, and it moves
Speaker 1: smooth as glass a few ffty miles an hour, as
Speaker 1: they've been measured to move in the past. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty intimidating. And even I'll admit that it's there. They
Speaker 1: are intimidating. That just that's a fact. But you can still,
Speaker 1: you know, you can get interaction with them. I mean,
Speaker 1: most of the stuff that they do is auditory anyway,
Speaker 1: and you can get audio recordings things like that. The
Speaker 1: something that's worked really well for me, is leaving stuff
Speaker 1: out in the woods for them. They know they might
Speaker 1: not take it immediately. They'll come up and look at it,
Speaker 1: and it might be the least two months and then
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's all gone or they've
Speaker 1: moved it or something like that. But if you can
Speaker 1: find a toy you can get on You can get
Speaker 1: like a Chewbacca doll for like ten dollars on eBay.
Speaker 1: I've left those out in the woods and they get
Speaker 1: taken almost every single time.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the gifting a little bit, like how
Speaker 2: did that all start? What was like your first interaction
Speaker 2: and everything?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but I can actually cover that story, and
Speaker 1: so I'll do like the rundown. So with gifting that
Speaker 1: the trick is and this seems to get them comfortable
Speaker 1: with people, and this seems across the board. Find something
Speaker 1: that looks like them, like like a plush toy or
Speaker 1: something like that. It can be anything, and you can
Speaker 1: find them cheap, like I said on eBay, and leave
Speaker 1: that out in your favorite woods somewhere where nobody, no
Speaker 1: human is ever going to go and find it, and
Speaker 1: we just leave it, just leave it, you know, somewhere
Speaker 1: you know you're going to be frequenting that you like
Speaker 1: going to like a like an off the trail of
Speaker 1: a favorite hiking path near a creek, you know, something
Speaker 1: like that would be a really good place to start.
Speaker 1: And then laminated pictures. You can get this. You know,
Speaker 1: you can get a printer, you know, something that can
Speaker 1: print pictures, you know, picture paper, and you can get
Speaker 1: a laminator like a Scotch Bright laminador or have the
Speaker 1: world you want to do it. You can get it
Speaker 1: all for maybe like him one hundred hundred fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: and just find pictures that you think they would be
Speaker 1: interested in. Find pictures that you think is something that's intelligent,
Speaker 1: that lives out in the list, doesn't have internet, that's
Speaker 1: you know, inquisitive and and curious about the world around
Speaker 1: it would like to see that it would be curious about.
Speaker 1: And uh, just leave them out in the woods, but
Speaker 1: in the same place that you leave the toy and
Speaker 1: leave them there. And I've gone so far as to
Speaker 1: bury the pictures in the ground. And uh, what you
Speaker 1: need to be mixed. You need to be absolutely sure
Speaker 1: that you do this part. You have to video the
Speaker 1: order you lay the pictures down. In because even if
Speaker 1: you bury those pictures in the ground, they will come
Speaker 1: and they will uncover them. They will get them out
Speaker 1: and slip through them, and then when they put them
Speaker 1: back they're shuffled. They're not in the right order anymore.
Speaker 1: Now the top picture will always be the same, I noticed,
Speaker 1: but the ones underneath it, they shovel them because they don't.
Speaker 1: I guess they're not being that meticulous. Then they'll rebury it.
Speaker 2: Not a person, not a person, not an animal.
Speaker 1: Definitely not. And see And the thing about this is
Speaker 1: that is a fantastic way to get their hair because
Speaker 1: their hair is kind of similar to like the hair
Speaker 1: on our head, like it sheds, it falls out, just
Speaker 1: the guy kind to have long hair now and how
Speaker 1: my hair falls out. But what happening is I think
Speaker 1: it's the plastic. It's that material that's that the lamina is.
Speaker 1: It just so happens to be really good at collecting
Speaker 1: the hair, pulled it off up on what it's you know,
Speaker 1: when it's falling out a staticky yeah, oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: I've gotten the duel. I think it's what it is
Speaker 1: has the bulb that has the DNA in it and
Speaker 1: all that that's really used to get to DNA. It'll
Speaker 1: get that too, and it'll just be sitting there in
Speaker 1: between the pains of the pains of pictures. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I would really like to see a movement of researchers
Speaker 1: going out and at least leaving pictures out and seeing
Speaker 1: if they have the same experiences that I do. I would, yeah,
Speaker 1: dang near begging people to do it because I would
Speaker 1: love to see if this works. Because I thought it
Speaker 1: up all them on I'm proud of myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean years ago down in Paris, Texas, we
Speaker 2: were I was kind of a consultant to a long
Speaker 2: term research project that was going on on some property.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have seen the videos from the
Speaker 2: property on MK Davis's channel on YouTube. He eventually got
Speaker 2: his hands on the videos and posted a bunch of them.
Speaker 2: But down there I personally witnessed this happen.
Speaker 1: There was.
Speaker 2: A small tree, it was like a sapling, and it
Speaker 2: was kind of by this area where we had set
Speaker 2: up a fire pit and everything, and we called it
Speaker 2: the Gifting Tree, and that's where we would leave things
Speaker 2: to interact with them. A lot of the times there
Speaker 2: were other locations that we would do it, but that
Speaker 2: was like the main one or whatever, and we had
Speaker 2: taken one of the main researchers down there. We took
Speaker 2: a photograph of him and took a clothespin and just
Speaker 2: clipped it onto one of the tree limbs on this
Speaker 2: tree and left it there overnight, and the next morning
Speaker 2: whenever we came back or whatever, the picture was gone.
Speaker 2: But in that clothes pin was a tobacco leaf.
Speaker 1: That is fascinating. Yeah, that is absolutely fascinating. And it
Speaker 1: ain't really much doubt and what that was.
Speaker 2: No, I mean want to do any exchange it and
Speaker 2: use a clothes pin that takes a thumb, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they can't confirm. They like photos and pictures
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that that I love that. I won't remember
Speaker 1: that story. I'm gonna keep that in my brain housing group.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 2: But I've never heard about anybody burying the stuff and
Speaker 2: them unbearing it and then reburying it. That's that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I get I get pretty paranoid and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can I pick? Can I pick some wood? If
Speaker 1: I'm gonna frequent them. It's the middle of freaking nowhere.
Speaker 1: But I still get paranoid, you know, because I'm trying to, yeah,
Speaker 1: rule out any possible interference of any other creature, people,
Speaker 1: anything like that, Right, So I'll get I'll do stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Sometimes I'll just bury my stuff or I'll
Speaker 1: hide to hide it, like in the middle of the bush,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to It's like they're always watching you.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the first things I was taught by,
Speaker 1: like Robert Morgan and people like Arlo Williams, was that
Speaker 1: they are always watching you. Just go ahead and just
Speaker 1: go ahead and get in that mindset when you're out
Speaker 1: there and kind of roll with that because you can
Speaker 1: you can pretty well be it. If you're out chopping
Speaker 1: around the middle of the woods and you're the only
Speaker 1: person there, you probably got some attention on you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess you could randomly drive down
Speaker 2: the road and just hop out of the truck real
Speaker 2: fast and running about thirty feet and do something to
Speaker 2: run back to the truck. But no, if you're frequenting
Speaker 2: an area and making yourself known and actually spending time there,
Speaker 2: like you're saying, if they're in the area, it seems
Speaker 2: to be there's at least one that has its eyes
Speaker 2: on you at all times.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and it doesn't matter day you're not. It
Speaker 1: seems like that that's how it was, because I mean
Speaker 1: i've had any experiences during the day, it's akin. They're
Speaker 1: definitely way more active during the night, There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. But the day, I've not had a whole
Speaker 1: lot of trouble having interactions with and doing that. But
Speaker 1: ye know, the gift to the pictures, I definitely do
Speaker 1: want to see. I mean, I'll ship pictures to people
Speaker 1: and they can leave it out in their favorite woods
Speaker 1: because I just want to see if it works and
Speaker 1: if it starts getting hairs. I mean, we can use that,
Speaker 1: you know for I guess discovery or whatever to learn
Speaker 1: more about them, because I know there's being projects that
Speaker 1: have gone on, and a lot of them they either
Speaker 1: really really struggle or they totally fail trying to get
Speaker 1: the DNA. It's so hard to do, and it's because
Speaker 1: of the nature of this community, the Bigfoot community. There's
Speaker 1: so much infighting, there's so much ego, it seems like
Speaker 1: in it it's just hard to get anything done.
Speaker 2: You've talked about them rearranging the pictures and taking things.
Speaker 2: Have you experienced any trading taking place? Are they leaving
Speaker 2: objects for you after they take something?
Speaker 1: So they've never so in the gifting areas that I
Speaker 1: set up, at least that I've noticed, they've never left
Speaker 1: anything there. But I have had stuff gifted to me.
Speaker 1: It was actually this is this was actually before that
Speaker 1: second sighting. This happened. This was when I made one
Speaker 1: of my mistakes. Right, that's where you're just like chasing
Speaker 1: them around the woods. Don't do that. I mean you can,
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be repercussions for it. Either they're gonna
Speaker 1: get really mad at you and they're going to try
Speaker 1: to run you out of the woods, or they're just
Speaker 1: gonna start ignoring you, which is what happened to me.
Speaker 1: But but there was one time that I was doing that.
Speaker 1: This is during the day, and I'm hearing knocks, Like
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. I'm hearing knocks and they're
Speaker 1: not that far from either, They're just out of you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I'm gonna just follow it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take all my stuff off, my gun and everything,
Speaker 1: and I want to just start following them that sound
Speaker 1: and just see what happens, you know, because maybe they'll
Speaker 1: let me see it or something like that, because otherwise,
Speaker 1: you know, what else? What else am I supposed to
Speaker 1: do with that? Right, I'm here knocks, I'm as we'll
Speaker 1: follow it. And so I following it, and I would
Speaker 1: get to horror I had heard it the not coming
Speaker 1: from and then you would hear it about the same
Speaker 1: distance away again behind cover her knocking again. Well I
Speaker 1: just kept doing that, Yeah, just repeating this pattern, following
Speaker 1: this thing through the woods, and it's basically leading me
Speaker 1: on during this is broad daylight. And eventually I come
Speaker 1: I do come by a stump and it's a it's
Speaker 1: a stump just in the middle of the woods with
Speaker 1: a perfect turtle shell sitting right on top of it.
Speaker 1: And and and that was I've heard the knock coming
Speaker 1: from there, uh like just moments before. So I think
Speaker 1: that I've had gifts given to me that way, uh
Speaker 1: just just then kind of leading me to it, or
Speaker 1: I have had them come up to where I'm sleeping
Speaker 1: and leading me stuff. Also that happened in the Kaymy
Speaker 1: She's actually it's like they can be really fun to
Speaker 1: interact with. And the Kymy She's they're just really really
Speaker 1: really bracing and brave. It's like I've heard of them,
Speaker 1: Like there was a story somewhere. I'd have to go
Speaker 1: back and look at it exactly. He was talking about it.
Speaker 1: But there was one that was like a younger girl.
Speaker 1: One she was like six foot tall maybe something like that,
Speaker 1: and she like ding dong ditch people and falling back
Speaker 1: to their house and knock on the door and run off,
Speaker 1: which you know, they they just seem to like doing
Speaker 1: stuff like that anyway. But she would find researchers out
Speaker 1: in the woods, so she was familiar with them, and
Speaker 1: she would unslip their tent and pull them out of it.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't hurt them, no, no, no, not doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she would do it. And she would just stand
Speaker 1: there and look at them and just walk off. And
Speaker 1: they said, you know, like like something's on zipping my tent.
Speaker 1: It's like they were familiar, you know, they those big
Speaker 1: foot there and they've seen her before and they kind
Speaker 1: of know how the bigfoot are in the area. And
Speaker 1: so he said, assume. As I saw the arm come in,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm fine, like you know this whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, and she just grabbed him by the pants
Speaker 1: and just pulled him out and stood there, looked at
Speaker 1: and walked off. It's like, that's terrifying. It's funny as
Speaker 1: long as you know what it is and it's not
Speaker 1: gonna hurt you. But it still is like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a brown pants moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was laying there one night and heard the
Speaker 2: tin on zip in the middle of the night. Instantly
Speaker 2: woke up, just terrified, waiting for that big hairy arm
Speaker 2: to reach in and the flap kind of pulled back
Speaker 2: on the tent and a raccoon walked in. Yep, raccoons too,
Speaker 2: And that's when I learned the valuable lesson of taking
Speaker 2: my boot laces and tying the zippers closed at night.
Speaker 1: Yep, tie the zippers closed or moved the zippers to
Speaker 1: the top of the tents. Yeah, if it's a tint,
Speaker 1: it's able to do that.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, raccoons will definitely do that.
Speaker 2: I made a joke after my tint getting raided by
Speaker 2: the raccoons a couple of times that it was actually
Speaker 2: bigfoot just grabbing them and dipping their feet in mud
Speaker 2: and used them like a rubber stamper. All over the
Speaker 2: tent to make me think that it was raccoons doing it, super.
Speaker 1: Clever, big suit. Yeah, I don't know if I'd rather
Speaker 1: have a big sooot reach in and grab me in
Speaker 1: my tent or a raccoon in it with me, I
Speaker 1: don't know which i'd trust more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you, whenever you're inside a tent with
Speaker 2: a raccoon, they get kind of scary real fast. Like
Speaker 2: this might not be a great idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, raccoons. Raccoons can get three aggressive when they get
Speaker 1: the corner. Then it might interpret that is harder, even
Speaker 1: though it did it to itself. Yeah, oh man, that's
Speaker 1: that's funny. But yeah, I had to I mean, even
Speaker 1: the communities I had gifts given to me, you know.
Speaker 1: And that that was the second time I went back
Speaker 1: a few years ago. So back in my twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: I was up there a little and you don't really
Speaker 1: have a lot of activity that night at all, but
Speaker 1: there were hunters out, you know, in the woods, you know,
Speaker 1: not in exactly where I was at, but there were hunters,
Speaker 1: and I guess that kind of quiets things down for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I know those people out there that would like
Speaker 1: to shoot one, which I don't really agree with, but whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it at all. But they Yeah,
Speaker 1: something came up right right in front of my tents
Speaker 1: on the all fours. It sounded like and it wasn't
Speaker 1: real big comes up and out of the woods. It
Speaker 1: gets right there and uh walks off. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know at the time, I didn't know what it
Speaker 1: was doing, but I took a video of the whole
Speaker 1: outing right, there's a go pro video and I remember
Speaker 1: I'm going back on the video. As soon as I
Speaker 1: saw this. I woke up in the morning. I look
Speaker 1: down this perfect bird's nest just right there in front
Speaker 1: of the tents, right for that thing and stopped and left.
Speaker 1: So it just came out of the bwist gave it
Speaker 1: to me because it wasn't there just a few hours before.
Speaker 1: So they can be friendly there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just I've always wondered. I mean, as humans,
Speaker 2: you know, we put human words and human reasons on
Speaker 2: things a lot of times, and gifting has always been
Speaker 2: one of those things. That's just what we're you know,
Speaker 2: it's gifting, that's how we view it. But I've always
Speaker 2: wondered if it means something different to them, like if
Speaker 2: there's a message behind it that we just don't understand,
Speaker 2: or if they're just doing it as a gift, or
Speaker 2: if they're doing it just to watch and see how
Speaker 2: we react to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I go through my thoughts, still
Speaker 1: go through the same exact thing as you are, and
Speaker 1: I think the same things like what are they doing
Speaker 1: is or some kind of message to it, because I
Speaker 1: think the most frequent one, right, And you could correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, or if you've noticed something. It's
Speaker 1: pine combs. I don't know what theirction is with with
Speaker 1: leaving piles of pine combs on people's porches or giving
Speaker 1: it to people or whatever. I don't know what that is,
Speaker 1: but that is definitely a thing. It seems like, yeah, piles,
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's they seem to be numbers register with
Speaker 1: them for some reason. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Someday,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll figure out some sort of miracle cure or
Speaker 1: something from pine combs and we just didn't know what
Speaker 1: they've been trying to tell us the whole time, or.
Speaker 2: Maybe they make a great tea or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely something that I've had happened and I've
Speaker 1: seen it a lot around here though, like because I
Speaker 1: have some friends that own property that have interactions with
Speaker 1: them and they get piles of turtle shells, like just
Speaker 1: they did. It's like they'll come out one day and
Speaker 1: there's a turtle to come out. Two days later, there's
Speaker 1: three of them, and it just sort of depends, I
Speaker 1: guess on how many turtle shells they.
Speaker 2: Have, I know, done in Texas, I've heard a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff about feathers. I haven't ran across too much
Speaker 2: feather stuff in Oklahoma. Oklahoma, it just seems to be
Speaker 2: more like just rocks a lot of the time. But
Speaker 2: we got a lot of rocks, so that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I've also heard of a like little muscle shells, like
Speaker 2: those little freshwater muscles. But yeah, the numbers things, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's just one, but oftentimes it's like a collection
Speaker 2: of things, it seems, and it's always the same item.
Speaker 2: It's not like a bunch of random items or anything
Speaker 2: like you would expect, you know, from an animal or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've noticed that too.
Speaker 1: It's usually the same thing, and it could be it
Speaker 1: could be five of them, could be one of them,
Speaker 1: could be ten of them. It's always seems like exact
Speaker 1: thing and they.
Speaker 2: Just give it to you in groups. Well, with the
Speaker 2: numbers thing, it seems like sometimes if you leave multiple items,
Speaker 2: like if you leave five items out, they'll take like
Speaker 2: two of them, but they won't take all of them.
Speaker 2: But if you just leave like one item out, then
Speaker 2: they'll just take it. Yep, that's it.
Speaker 1: I have noticed that, And sometimes they won't take anything
Speaker 1: at all. Sometimes they take all of it, but a
Speaker 1: lot of times they won't take everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if it's they seem to.
Speaker 1: Be really shy. The ones that I've interacted with, you know,
Speaker 1: just in different areas, they seem to be more shy
Speaker 1: about taking food than anything.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to deal with with that.
Speaker 1: You think that they just run off with it when
Speaker 1: it's obvious and I'm leaving it out for them because
Speaker 1: I remember, this was some of my very first experiences
Speaker 1: with them up on those mountains. So this is, of course,
Speaker 1: this is after that first night, because that first night,
Speaker 1: that was the first night. But after that, you know,
Speaker 1: after that experience with the one walking up to me
Speaker 1: and sprinkling dirt on top of my tart tart, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I've got to figure out how to really amp this up.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a good thing going for me.
Speaker 1: I need to, you know, start thinking about what to
Speaker 1: leave out for them and things like that and see
Speaker 1: where this can go. And I would what I would do,
Speaker 1: and was I take a tup where a bowl and
Speaker 1: I'd filled up with the organic apples and you know,
Speaker 1: just really bougie peanut butter, and uh had to have
Speaker 1: like a dozen of them out in the woods. And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put I wouldn't attach the lid to it.
Speaker 1: What I would do is I would actually take a
Speaker 1: bandana and tie the lid to it so the lid's
Speaker 1: not really fastened. What I was wanting to look The
Speaker 1: reason I was doing that was I wanted to see
Speaker 1: would the bulls get completely taken away, would they be
Speaker 1: shredded by an animal out in the middle of the woods,
Speaker 1: would they have a little back marks in them with
Speaker 1: something like take the lid off and run off with it,
Speaker 1: Like what's going to happen? Right, I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: data basically because I'm curious to just to see what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. And that stuff was expensive too, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I got the most out
Speaker 1: of it. And I remember the first set I left
Speaker 1: up there, man, something like two of the bowls were gone,
Speaker 1: vanished and never saw them again. And I've had people
Speaker 1: tell me that, well, bear's been up there and they
Speaker 1: ate the whole bowl plastic at all. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about that. I'm not sure bears would actually do
Speaker 1: that because that just sounds really nasty and that.
Speaker 2: Makes zero sense to me that they would eat the
Speaker 2: plastic bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean we have bears that come up
Speaker 1: to my parents' house, and I mean they don't eat
Speaker 1: the plastic bowl. They just look it out. Now, I've
Speaker 1: never seen them just like eat like stuff that obviously
Speaker 1: shouldn't be eaten, like a chin can or something.
Speaker 2: I also don't notice them like taking the item and
Speaker 2: hauling it off some other place and eating it. I
Speaker 2: mean if it's like a kill or something like that.
Speaker 2: But like I don't know about like a plastic bowl,
Speaker 2: Like why would they carry that off?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean a bear doesn't really feel unsafe
Speaker 1: when it's eating, right, like some sodi's or something might
Speaker 1: do that. I've seen it done. They don't go far
Speaker 1: with it because I mean, they don't have thumbs. How
Speaker 1: they're gonna carry it. Yeah, it's not eating stuff. Uh
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like that's so like two of them
Speaker 1: are gone. Yeah, just like what you're talking about, Like
Speaker 1: they didn't take everything, but the less the rest of them.
Speaker 1: See this is worth crazy, is that up in those
Speaker 1: mountains there's bear there because I run into them, you know,
Speaker 1: fairly frequently, these bears, And I mean they range from like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe two hundred and two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: pounds to like four hundred and fifty pounds up there
Speaker 1: in those mountains. I mean they've caught them over five
Speaker 1: hundred pounds up there before. Because everything up there is huge,
Speaker 1: the deer huge, the swirls roams as big as a
Speaker 1: house cat. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Everything up there flourishes.
Speaker 1: But so I'm assuming that like at least the foods,
Speaker 1: the food's definitely gonna get eat it's fu I'm thinking
Speaker 1: didn't get touched. Only two of the bowls out of
Speaker 1: wellve were taken, and then the rest of them just
Speaker 1: sat there rot. And I mean, and I know there's
Speaker 1: bear up there that would you should have eaten it?
Speaker 1: It defies logic that those bulls touched that blew my
Speaker 1: mind and and I was getting that was certainly interesting.
Speaker 1: And I guess that, you know, maybe the big foot
Speaker 1: at the marked territory or something like that, and animals
Speaker 1: would not have anything to do with it, because I
Speaker 1: took pictures of the bulls and here each bowl to
Speaker 1: its picture, and i'd originally set it down, and not
Speaker 1: even a squirrel or anything would touch it. If all
Speaker 1: I had to do is just push the lid off
Speaker 1: and get into it, nothing would touch anything. So that
Speaker 1: stuff just went bad. But I was still brainstorming ideas.
Speaker 1: And this is the first time I ever gave on
Speaker 1: something and they took it that was like not food,
Speaker 1: right that I'd like. It was definitely then that took it,
Speaker 1: because that's the only thing that would have been interested
Speaker 1: in this. And it's this little roaring Chewbacca toy used
Speaker 1: to be a truck driver. So if you took this
Speaker 1: Chewbacca toy, it was maybe you know, five inches tall
Speaker 1: or something like that. It kind of looks like a
Speaker 1: really really messed up big foot, right, kind of have
Speaker 1: like a messed up, deformed looking face, which made it
Speaker 1: cute if you if you shake it, it roars, which
Speaker 1: I just thought was the goofiest thing ever. And I
Speaker 1: realized that I had that, I'm like, wow, I should
Speaker 1: just leave that out there because it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like a really deformed foot. And I put it in
Speaker 1: a bowl and and up there on that cliff that
Speaker 1: I was talking about, you know that well that eight
Speaker 1: to nine what drop off is right above that cave.
Speaker 1: I'll leave it up there and at least some crystals
Speaker 1: and pretty stuff out, you know, because they seem to
Speaker 1: like jewelry and mirrors and crystals. Crystals are a weird
Speaker 1: one because I've left out all sorts of different shapes
Speaker 1: of crystals because I'm really good at finding them, finding
Speaker 1: them on eBay, and they have a specific affinity for
Speaker 1: pyramid shaped crystals, so leave the other ones alone. But
Speaker 1: they will take that pyrameded sized crystal and they will
Speaker 1: just run off with it. And you yeah, now I've
Speaker 1: had one. It turned up next to my car like
Speaker 1: it's gone. Didn't see it again for like a year,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, they just took it, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad they took it, you know, because that's what I
Speaker 1: got it for. And then no joke up there next
Speaker 1: to my car one day, it's just sitting there. See
Speaker 1: they just brought it back. It's like, okay, so I
Speaker 1: don't know what that's about, but I'll keep it. I
Speaker 1: still have that thing somewhere. That was one of my
Speaker 1: definitely keep that forevery kind of thing that was very
Speaker 1: interesting that they did that. But it was specifically only
Speaker 1: and this is the crow tan, this is where gi
Speaker 1: and this is the Kayamichi's also specifically of the pyramid
Speaker 1: shaped crystal that they just like it. I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know, but uh, you know that Bigfoot doll though,
Speaker 1: I'll leave that thing up there or not, you know,
Speaker 1: Chewbacca doll. If I say Bigfoot, because I got big
Speaker 1: Foot on the line, right, I'll leave it up there.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll go I have to work that day,
Speaker 1: so I'll drive off and you know, I figure out.
Speaker 1: I want you want to see what happened that thing,
Speaker 1: because you know, once you leave something like that out,
Speaker 1: it just kind of you got to find out as
Speaker 1: soon as possible if it's going to get taken right
Speaker 1: some I drive all the way back up there. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like an hour or thirty minute drive to
Speaker 1: get up there. And that's that's even before the hike starts.
Speaker 1: So it takes a little bit to give back here,
Speaker 1: but I'm determined, and uh, and I also I have
Speaker 1: to work the next day, so I got to be fast.
Speaker 1: So when I got back down in there, and I'm looking,
Speaker 1: you know, taking the food bowls as I'm going down
Speaker 1: through these through the woods because they're kind of scattered
Speaker 1: all over the place. It's sort of the way I
Speaker 1: did it, and uh, they're not bothered at all, of course.
Speaker 1: And and then I go down to where I've left
Speaker 1: those little crystals and you know, the juge Chewbacca toy,
Speaker 1: and only the Chewbacca toy is gone, and my jaw
Speaker 1: instantly hits the ground because I was not expecting that
Speaker 1: at all, and I'm looking down at it and it's
Speaker 1: broad daylight. I'm just standing there like dumbfounded, and I'm
Speaker 1: like trying to trying to reason away, like what could
Speaker 1: have happened to that? Maybe a bird took it and
Speaker 1: like pushed it off the side of that little see
Speaker 1: if for something, I gotta go down there and make
Speaker 1: sure that it's not down there, and you know, just
Speaker 1: kind of running through the auctions, and uh, as soon
Speaker 1: as I look up, uh, and I start to like
Speaker 1: turn away. I start to turn the walk away so
Speaker 1: I can go down there and check to see if
Speaker 1: the if the Chewbacca is sitting down there. I hear
Speaker 1: like three very very loud knocks coming from that hill
Speaker 1: across from the pond.
Speaker 2: Right just boom boom booom.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just sounds like explosions basically. And of course,
Speaker 1: now now I know what it was, and now I
Speaker 1: am very excited because I definitely didn't expect that. I
Speaker 1: already wasn't expecting the situation at all, and so of
Speaker 1: course I'm like, all right, what do I do?
Speaker 2: And what do I do?
Speaker 1: I got to do something back, and I'm looking and
Speaker 1: I find some rocks and you know, I you know, one,
Speaker 1: two three with the rocks, right, and you know, they
Speaker 1: don't give me anything back from that, And then like,
Speaker 1: well that was super cool, right, So I'm going to
Speaker 1: go down here and see if I can figure out
Speaker 1: how to get over to those woods. And I still
Speaker 1: have yet to figure out how to you know, get
Speaker 1: in it without crawling on my belly basically because it's
Speaker 1: so thick, the brush and everything is so big getting
Speaker 1: back in there. And I managed to crawl down to
Speaker 1: where that's the bottom of that cliff right that a
Speaker 1: foot drop, and that's when I realized it's a cave.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a big cave. It doesn't go
Speaker 1: back far, but it's big enough. You could fit about
Speaker 1: five people, like I said earlier, and you know, there's
Speaker 1: nothing down there. And one thing I noticed is I
Speaker 1: was them down.
Speaker 2: I had to.
Speaker 1: You know, I got that fill in the creek as
Speaker 1: I was getting to that where that cables at because
Speaker 1: I thought that it I thought it was uh, not
Speaker 1: as deep as it was, and I jumped in. It
Speaker 1: went right it just right in almost and so I
Speaker 1: noticed that the face plant and uh and uh, I
Speaker 1: smell something now I remember it is And this is
Speaker 1: something I've noticed with the big feelt like everybody talks
Speaker 1: about the smell. The smell is not consistent at all.
Speaker 1: Some of them have kind of don't smell good. They
Speaker 1: just don't. It smells like a and you know, you
Speaker 1: can't put it this way, but it smells like a
Speaker 1: big fart walk walking around. And so that's what this uh.
Speaker 1: And I would notice this one every now and then
Speaker 1: throughout the years, uh, that you you would smell this.
Speaker 1: You hear something walking sometimes and you would smell it. Uh.
Speaker 1: A lot of them especially, it seems like in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods, they don't really have much of
Speaker 1: a smell at all. It smells almost like a like
Speaker 1: a horse or like a kind of like a person,
Speaker 1: almost like somebody that just worked out. It's not a
Speaker 1: bad smell. It's not like over powering or anything. And
Speaker 1: I wondered, and Robert Morgan actually pointed this out. It's
Speaker 1: like they've been seeing you know, just like like old
Speaker 1: time hunters like that, kind of purposely making themselves smell
Speaker 1: like their prey or purposely masking their sense. And he's
Speaker 1: seeing them do it with like dead animals, skunk. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been observed taking the glands out of skunks and
Speaker 1: you know, basically wiped it all over them. So I
Speaker 1: think that the bad smell usually is on purpose, and
Speaker 1: they don't. It's not like a consistent thing at all. Right,
Speaker 1: but this one smelled. He definitely smelled, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just kind of take notes, like when I'm smelling that, well,
Speaker 1: that's kind of okay, yeah, noted, And go over there.
Speaker 1: Check that out. There's Chuboca toys nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1: Of course it's not. They just acknowledged that they took it,
Speaker 1: which is incredible, right, I mean that just mind blowing that,
Speaker 1: you know, that level of first paying attention to me
Speaker 1: coming down the woods like that, and then also that
Speaker 1: level of intelligence to do that. Uh. So I'm come
Speaker 1: back up and have to come back the same way
Speaker 1: I didn't follow this time in the in the creek,
Speaker 1: which is nice. And I go back up and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I might as well because it's getting dark.
Speaker 1: I don't have a flashlight. It's uh, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got to work the next morning, so I've got to,
Speaker 1: you know, really book it to get out of there,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna be too war off of work. Like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll go up here and I'll do some more knocks, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: at least I can do that.
Speaker 2: So I go.
Speaker 1: If they're standing on the same exact spot on top
Speaker 1: of that cliff or cave or out of the world
Speaker 1: you want to put it, and I do you know
Speaker 1: one two three with those rocks, you know, knocks and uh,
Speaker 1: right exactly where I smelled that smell, right where I
Speaker 1: had fallen in the creek, right there, like hidden behind
Speaker 1: a bush comes that same three again, three knocks, but
Speaker 1: the same sound. There's those huge explosive knocks. It sounds
Speaker 1: like rocks being like fifty pounds, boulders being slammed together.
Speaker 1: It's the best way I can put it. One, two, three,
Speaker 1: And now I'm elated and you're like, oh, that was
Speaker 1: just the greatest thing. And you know, tried it again.
Speaker 1: They don't give me anything, and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: couldn't go down there and see if it'll let me
Speaker 1: see it. It's definitely not gonna let me see it.
Speaker 1: I know better, So I just went ahead and left
Speaker 1: and kind of called it, called it a day. From that.
Speaker 1: That was my first experience with gifting with one of them,
Speaker 1: and that was absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps more people don't do.
Speaker 1: It, because it seems like a lot of researchers, even
Speaker 1: very good researchers, I know, they don't do it. They
Speaker 1: don't like leave stuff out like that to kind of
Speaker 1: see how they react to it. They just kind of
Speaker 1: go through the woods and try to run into one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you might be lucky with that. They might be mad
Speaker 1: at you trying it too, But yeah, that that one again,
Speaker 1: I mean there's just so many stories and so many
Speaker 1: experiences that it is just gonna stick with me forever,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I'll ever put it down, especially
Speaker 1: after just some of the stuff that I've had had
Speaker 1: one off there. It's just so interesting. Yeah, I've definitely
Speaker 1: been bit by the booger bug. If you tip no
Speaker 1: cure for it.
Speaker 2: If you've had your own encounter that you'd like to share,
Speaker 2: email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
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Speaker 2: something in the woods.